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Open post: The Sussex documentary

It's a quote usually misattributed to Einstein, and it appears on thousands of inspirational posters, tea towels and coffee mugs: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Whoever originally said it, the quote is apt when it comes to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's participation in a TV documentary about their recent trip to Southern Africa.

They didn't like us despite all of the flattering magazine articles about us. 

They didn't like us after we paid for glossy newspaper and online articles praising us to the skies. 

They didn't like us when we seeded commenters on message boards to say that anyone who fails to support us is an ugly racist. 

Maybe they'll like us if we release a TV documentary about what wonderful people we are? 


What do you expect?

What do you expect from the documentary?

Journalist Tom Bradby, the man behind the show, says it will "explain a lot."

Comments

Eowyn said…
Looks like Twitter took down @wizkid101UK's account:

https://mobile.twitter.com/wizkid101UK

This is ominous. I believe the Toxic Couple's ultimate targets are not the UK press, but bloggers, tweeters, and commenters on sites like Daily Mail.

Nelo said…
No one knows if Harry is suing over fresh hacking or the 15-year old hacking which was settled. The details are unclear. Sun and Mirror haven't given fresh details either. If Harry is suing for the old hacking, then he's foolish but if it's a fresh hacking incident, then rhe tabloids haven't learned their lessons and deserve to be sued. But we can only speculate.
Miggy said…
@Liver Bird

"I believe Harry has an engagement somwhere in the UK next week. On the 10th?"

Yes, I posted about it this morning. It's in Nottingham.

I hope they ignore the petulant oik!
PaulaMP said…
I agree with Stacey1985, I think they know something big and bad about them is about to come out so this way they have all the press worried about reporting anything negative about them.
Nelo said…
Sun and Mirror said they have received the suit but haven't said anything about the case. Unlike MoS that said they will vigorously pursue the case, Sun and Mirror have remained mum. I sincerely hope for the sake of the tabloids that it isn't a fresh case of hacking.
Miggy said…
@Nelo,

They haven't said anything yet because although they know there is a case against them, they don't have the details yet. They still don't know WHY he is suing them!
Liver Bird said…
The Sun and Mirror haven't commented because the case hasn't actually been filed yet. Proceedings have started, but no filing has been made and perhaps won't be. Hence no comment. Meghan's breach of copyright case has actually been filed.
Liver Bird said…
@Eowyn

I totally agree. First they came for Piers Morgan.....

They ultimtely want to stifle all negative comment about them, on twitter, in comment sections and of course in little blogs like this.

I do think that this period of- relatively - free speech on the net is something we will look back at wistfully in time to come. Obviously that's not just about Harry by any means, there are all sorts of powerful forces looking to restrict free speech. But it's a symptom of this increasing desire to curtail unfavourable comment everywhere.
PurpleCrocus said…
He may sign the papers but I truly doubt he's driving this bus, if you catch my drift. He's nonconfrontational, his health is a mess--and he doesn't want to be abandoned by his narc. And she knows it.
Mom Mobile said…
@Liver Bird, thanks! I noticed Lainey updated her site to verify that the suit is true but did not provide any other info.
Avery said…
@Liver Bird - almost drowned on my drink reading this: Let's see if your beloved CNN will come out to cover your trip to an old folks home in Bognor Regis in the depths of winter.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Marie said…
Btw, sorry if I'm late to the party and everyone already knew, but wondering to the Americans: I saw a screenshot that she had bothered filing a petition to challenge the IRS for a measly 938 USD in 2009 for the tax period in 2006, and checked it on the eDocket listings provided by the official government website US Tax Court. I'm guessing at the time (pre-Suits) she didn't have a lot of complicated assets. So I wonder why it took 2-3 years for her to file the petition? Although not a lawsuit per se, it just looks unusual, or do Americans usually do this?
Nelo said…
@Mom Mobile, the details of the suit havent been revealed so for now people are only speculating that it's from the old hacking case. I really hope it's not a fresh hacking case. I really really hope so.
Eowyn said…
Liver Bird wrote: "I do think that this period of- relatively - free speech on the net is something we will look back at wistfully in time to come. Obviously that's not just about Harry by any means, there are all sorts of powerful forces looking to restrict free speech. But it's a symptom of this increasing desire to curtail unfavourable comment everywhere."

In total agreement!
bootsy said…
@ Mom mobile
According to the BBC he is suing the now closed News of the World. The owners are still in business so they're fair game apparently. So I think this means it goes back to the original phone hacking.

Makes you think about the new documentary even more alongside all the comments with the MM court action. They are setting up a narrative that's for sure.
Nelo said…
This is what Sun is reporting: " It is understood they relate to historic claims in the 2000s. News Group Newspapers said: “We have no further comment at this time.”
So Sun is confirming that the case is from 2000. Please what was the outcome of the case in 2000? What is Harry's endgame? To remind those who have forgotten how the tabloids hacked into people's phones in order to further discredit them?


@bootsy, this is what is within the DM’s article, and I quote:

‘However, the BBC's royal correspondent, Jonny Dymond, believes the claims relate to dates in the early 2000s.

It is believed that Harry may be alleging he was the victim of unlawful information gathering for the purpose of publishing articles about him, possibly dating back to when he had a mobile phone in his late teens.’

It’s not confined, but I think it’s true. All rather ridiculous.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@MomMobile. The Sun (who is being sued) says "It is understood they are historic claims going back to 2000s".
punkinseed said…
Probably hacked phone messages to and from their surrogate. That would drive them to behave like this.
Mom Mobile said…
Thanks @Fairy Crocodile, @Bootsy and @Nelo. It seems strange to sue based on something that happened so long ago. Then I wonder if there's a large skeleton in Harry's closet that was never exposed? He's trying to head that exposure off now that the media will probably hit back as a result of MM's suit.

What a mess!
Liver Bird said…
OK so it seems almost certain he is sueing with regard to a 15 year old case. From a newspaper which no longer exists. This is insane. He is taking on Rupert Murdoch, one of the most powerful men in the world for..... what? To vent his irrational spite on the media? To placate his wife?

Speaking of which, who here doubts that the case against the Mirror is actually a case against Piers Morgan, who loses no opportunity to ridicule Meghan? I don't like him, and a lot of what he says is petty and reeks of sour grapes - he'd be fawning all over her if only he'd got an invite to the wedding - but if you're 'royal' you're supposed to rise above all that, knowing that it will pass and you'll still be around with your fancy titles and palaces. But that's not Meghan's game. She wants out. It's completely obvious at this stage.
DuchessOfCray said…
@rabbit said:
Suing all kinds of tabloids, and now suing for something that's 15 years old is very strange.
Megs must have egged PH on with her assertions that they're being abused by the media. It was reported somewhere that PH is using his trust funds to pay legal fees. Meg got skinflint PH to spend money on a form of PR, because that's what this is all about.

Maybe this is their new cottage industry, and they are out of cash. Very curious considering that they need the press in order to make their move tto America. Unless they are robbing Peter to pay Paul, i.e. using the British press as a revenue source and thinking that they won’t need them in the future, because they are in the process of leaving the U.K. anyway. Curious.
@Liver Bird, you read my thoughts. I was going to reply to Catty’s comment , but I didn’t get round to it, but I kept it. Lol See below:

@Catty, ‘Looks like Harry is going after Piers Morgan’,

‘If’ it is him, it could be more likely to do with what Piers has said about Meghan in his column article’s, and the hacking is a guise.
punkinseed said…
OMG guys! Go go go quick and Watch Yankee Wally's new vid on youtube asap!
Towards the end of it she explains who and why she got banned.
It appears there's a correlation between Strongwrite and Read something? can't make it out cuz Yankee's Welsh accent is a little thick on that word/name and that's who went after Yankee Wally!
punkinseed said…
I want to rename the Sussex, the Duck and Duchess of Censorship.
To think Megs really got a college degree. Surely one of her foreign relations classes had the US Constitution and the First Amendment as part of curriculum? Even UK has freedom of speech.
Mom Mobile said…
@Punkinseed, thanks! I posted the wrong link and then deleted. She put up two videos today.
Sandie said…
I think what they are trying to achieve is to shut down all photographs and reporting on them when they are not at an official function. Fair enough ... but then the British public must decide if they still want to fund 24/7 protection with all that requires (special cars). To say that they are in danger without that protection is true, but they can afford to fund their own protection in their private space; ordinary folk walking the streets cannot afford to do so and are being slaughtered on the streets. I am tired of this entitled luvvy culture!
Any other public funding that should be withdrawn to allow them that secrecy? What about people who cannot afford such a legal battle? Do they have the right to not be photographed in public? Basically, it seems the luvvies can afford to sue but ordinary folk cannot.
I have been photographed in a crowd, without my permission or knowledge, and the photograph appeared on the front page of a newspaper. It was an illegal march ... people were being arrested for marching.
I think William and Kate have found the right balance, but for all we know they may be supporting Harry and Meghan in these lawsuits.
Ironically, they have just been to Africa (and managed to project an image of South Africa as the most dangerous and violent place in the world ... thanks for the blow to the industry, as was the case with the false story about Zika in Zambia!) and they are now spending millions on a legal case because their feelings are hurt.
I really am not liking luvvies right now!
Fairy Crocodile said…
I have just got a crazy thought. Do you think the Palace cut Harry loose because they know he is an idiot and will make a fudge of things, that will be guaranteed to blow up big and take attention away from Andrew?
punkinseed said…
I agree @ Liverbird and Louise. He's going after Piers Morgan.
Piers has a lot of love/hate for him going on for his past behavior, but it appears on the DM comments that the folks in the UK are really angry at the Harkles for bringing the lawsuits because they are footing the bill for the cases. I don't blame them for being angry. It's like they want to say: You bring the pitchforks and pikes and we'll bring the torches type of angry mob feelings. Commenter Ozzie states: "If he thinks suing the press, screaming at reporters, or threatening them, is going to buy him and his wife favorable coverage, they have another thing coming. This is a huge misstep for them." Ozzie got almost 13,000 Likes and only about 750 dislikes! Wow! usually the arrows hang around 6K or so, but double? Yipes.
Sandie said…
Or maybe Harry is just trying to shut down one particular story ... the information about him getting help to pass his Geography (was it?) exam at Eton came from a hacked voicemail. But the newspapers are not reporting on that anymore.

If the hacking is recent, then it is illegal,but that case from all those years ago was a criminal case and he seems to be pursuing a private prosecution ...

As for the documentary ... such basically PR pieces on the royal family are usual. This is the pinnacle for Meghan ... to be so important and global and get so much attantion and so many privileges. It will be a PR spin fluff piece, but these sort of documentaries on the royals usually are.
punkinseed said…
@mommobile, rest assured, Piers has plenty of dirt on MM and Harry. I was a reporter and editor. You'd be amazed at what I knew but couldn't or wouldn't publish simply because, ethics and kids read the paper.
Harry and Megs better make it very transparent to the UK taxpayers that they, the taxpayers are not paying for these lawsuits.
Girl with a Hat said…
Sandie, even a criminal prosecution of the hacking that occurred in the early 2000's would be impossible due to the statute of limitations. Even rape would be difficult if not impossible to prosecute 20 years later.
Nelo said…
Tom Sykes of the daily beast apparently spoke to journalists in the mirror and sun off the record and they confirmed that it's from the case of 2000. They also confirmed that Harry is specifically targeting Piers Morgan who was editor when the hacking took place.
Marie said…
For those interested in coming up to speed, here's a detailed timeline of the phone hacking events. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8634176/Phone-hacking-timeline-of-a-scandal.html

Apparently, Heather Mills brought a private suit about a decade after the alleged hacking and won. And in April 2019, Elton John received a settlement for a phone hacking scandal. ( https://inforrm.org/2019/02/05/phone-hacking-time-the-police-stepped-in-brian-cathcart/ ) Makes me wonder if the summer private jet to Elton John's included discussion and sharing of notes of how Harry could successfully sue like Elton...
Acquitaine said…
@Nelo, FYI, neither Victoria Arbiter or her father are in the loop anymore though they make their living based on past glories. Dickie has told many outlets things that were certain to happen only for them not to happen and vice versa. As an example he told many outlets that Harry would never be allowed to marry Meghan who he described as a fling.

He is also known to tell different outlets different opinions on the same subjects depending on what is later revealed eg when story broke, he told Today that Harry must have done this with full backing of the Queen and no way would he do it behind her back. After the Palace made it very clear that they only found out at the same time as the public, he told sky news that 'someone else rather than palace officials must be advising Harry because they only found out as we did'. The statement to sky news doesn't involve the Queen because he has found out that she wasn't informed.

He may have had a long career with the Queen and raised Victoria at KP, but they are both out of the loop which hasn't stopped them from creating a career out of their long ago association. Victoria only gives positive obsequious commentary about the royals and refuses to analyse them critically if the outcome is negative. She's a true believer.
Marie said…
@Nelo thanks! My hunch was right when I commented this morning that this lawsuit probably was a way to go after Piers.
Mom Mobile said…
@punkinseed, do you read CDAN? I think you do? Anyway, there was that blind about how the British press liked Prince Andrew so much they never "outed" him, even though Fergie was getting a lot of heat at the time.

Just mentioning the blind because, if true, it illustrates your point. Besides, I believe you!
Lurking said…
@punkinseed

"I want to rename the Sussex, the Duck and Duchess of Censorship.
To think Megs really got a college degree. Surely one of her foreign relations classes had the US Constitution and the First Amendment as part of curriculum? Even UK has freedom of speech."

Probably not. One of my majors was IR and there was nothing regarding the US Constitution required within the IR major. The US Constitution was covered in a specific class on the Constitution as an elective. The 1st Am is constantly under attack, so don't think it's sacrosanct in the US. Additionally, she's a social justice warrior, many of whom have no qualms about limiting free speech. They want to criminalize hate speech and any speech that may offend a protected class or member of a marginalized community.

The Duck and Duckess of Suxxit.
punkinseed said…
@Mischi, Exactly. Statute of Limitations has surely run by now.
However, this is Megs and Harry we're talking about, so they'd expect all the laws and limitations to be changed just for them, to suit them. And even as you said earlier, there are lawyers who get stuck into taking cases their clients insist upon, no matter that it's a loser of a case.
The press is going to fight this and drag it on and on, too, is my guess. It's going to get bloody and if it "bleeds it reads..."
punkinseed said…
@Lurking. Thank you for your explanation. LOL, Duck and Duckess of Suxxit.
Marie said…
Who broke the story of the lawsuit? The earliest I saw was on the Byline Investigates, but there is no reporter mentioned and it seemed like a much more fleshed out story. Chris Ship of ITV tweeted that Buckingham Palace confirmed that the lawsuit had been actually filed. A claimant filing a Part 7 claim, as in the screenshots of the BI article, has 14 days to "provide particulars of claim, either at the point of issue or to
serve and file them within 14 days of service of the claim form." So we may have to wait a bit to see the details, but if so, wonder if it is to stir up gossip.
punkinseed said…
@mom mobile, I read CDAN now and then. Mostly when Nutty or someone here suggests we pop over there.
No doubt in my mind reporters were covering for Andrew. It's usually a quid pro quo and having Andy or Fergie as a source would be worth tons to have in my pocket.
Marie said…
Btw, for everyone talking about a statue of limitations, I don't know exactly what you mean, but after googling a bit, the UK has a Limitation Act of 1980 that seems to outline limitation periods for different kinds of things. But for civil claims, it's not clear cut that one cannot pursue after the period runs out.

from https://www.inbrief.co.uk/claim-preparations/civil-claim-limitation-periods/
"Will the limitation period defence automatically apply?
In theory, no. A civil claim can still be made by the claimant even if the limitation period has passed. If the defendant wishes to strike it out on the basis that it is time barred, it must actively raise this as a defence.

The court can still allow a claim can proceed, even where the limitation period has passed. However, the claim would have to be extremely strong for the court to do so, and there would normally have to be very good reasons for the court to allow the claim to continue; for instance, if the claim is not defended."
Marie said…
" In the case of criminal acts, there are no statutory limits on the prosecution of crimes in the UK except for ‘summary’ offences (offences tried in the magistrates’ court). In these cases, criminal proceedings must be brought within 6 months"
Lurking said…
Stature of Limitations: Has it run, or expired? Maybe, maybe not. I am not familiar with British law, but read earlier today (who's not reading everything they possibly can right now) that the SoL is 4 years for this type of case in the UK. Typically after 4 years, any action brought by the injured party would fail due to running of the SoL. However, under certain circumstances, the SoL would toll, meaning that something occurred that paused or delayed the running of the SoL. It is possible that by media outlets continuing to refer to the hacked information (someone above mentioned help Harry received to pass exams at Eton was hacked info,) the SoL tolled. Don't hold me to that, SoL likely one of the issues the court in the UK will have to address.
Marie said…
@Lurking we're researching together!

"Situation where certain facts have been concealed from the claimant
In some cases, facts in relation to the claim may have been concealed from the claimant by the defendant. In these circumstance, the limitation period will only commence when the claimant becomes aware of these relevant facts, or the date that he or she should have become aware of them." (same source as linked to above)

(snark) Maybe Harry will claim he was too dim to understand at the time all the relevant facts, but that his woke wife shined a light on the issue and now he's aware and ready to sue, hence limitation period commences this year! :P (end snark)
Girl with a Hat said…
The SoL rules were created because a person could wait until all the defence witnesses were dead and then go ahead and sue. Information also gets lost over the years and memories fade.
fairylights said…
Unknown at 12:31....does that mean we can expect a title like "Hanging with the Harkles?"

As others have said, I expect that this will explain a lot about how self absorbed the subjects of the film are. I have no intention of making an effort to see it. Do they not have to clear any of this with the Queen or the men in charge? Somehow I don't see it being another "Queen at 90" type production.
Girl with a Hat said…
in Canada for example, if someone owes you money, you have 3 years to sue them, except for income tax debts collected by the governments.
punkinseed said…
@Marie OMG. That makes a lot of sense, re. the Elton John visit. That whole trip to his house via his jet was rather odd timing and out of character even for Megs and Haz to be suddenly super schmoozing with Elton.
I remember watching a bio show about Elton. In one of the segments he was between shows and either at a resort or at his home playing tennis. He was having a wing ding temper tantrum because someone shouted hello to him through the hedge. He hates to be hailed in any way by anyone when he's in his private places, so it does make sense that he'd be the go to guy for all things super injunction/lawsuit etc. And of course, of course, Megs would only want to have her referrals from hoity toity famous folk because you know, she's so very important now. Meanwhile her dad is stuck with "Better Call Saul" even though Megs is the one who set up her dad with that stupid scripted disingenuous and contrived letter in the first place.
SwampWoman said…
@ Marie: Btw, sorry if I'm late to the party and everyone already knew, but wondering to the Americans: I saw a screenshot that she had bothered filing a petition to challenge the IRS for a measly 938 USD in 2009 for the tax period in 2006, and checked it on the eDocket listings provided by the official government website US Tax Court. I'm guessing at the time (pre-Suits) she didn't have a lot of complicated assets. So I wonder why it took 2-3 years for her to file the petition? Although not a lawsuit per se, it just looks unusual, or do Americans usually do this?

Nah, IF we get caught owing the taxes, we mostly just man up (so to speak) and make a payment plan if we don't have the cash. If she wanted to go to tax court over the principle, the representative that she should have had assisting her may cost more than the amount she owed the government. Even when we disputed our taxes, we would sit down and ask "How much will it cost to fight this? Holy crap, THAT much?" She probably claimed expenses that were disallowed in an audit. It has happened to us many times.

Actually, the feds can be more reasonable than county tax agents. We have tried to fight the valuation of some swampland on the grounds that it is under four feet of water during tropical storms or even an unusually wet season, only to be told that we could develop it and build houses on it. House boats, maybe.

Girl with a Hat said…
Elton John and his husband were sexually harassing one of their staff and he sued them in the UK. there was a superinjunction against any information being printed which could identify them. It was a little bit ridiculous because the British could google gossip sites from other countries to find out that it was Elton John.
Marie said…
@punkinseed Then Elton needs better private places lol! While Schillings is the lawfirm representing her, the info page on lawyer David Sherbourne says he's actually representing her in the lawsuit (he's with a different lawfirm, or something). And Sherbourne is the lawyer who represented all the phone hacking victims as well, including Elton. So while Meg and Harry seem to have separate lawyers, it seemed like these trio of lawsuits were planned together. Just wondering now why he didn't issue a separate statement for his lawsuits though.
punkinseed said…
Lurking and Marie, the SOL in the US is similar, but it depends on the case. Usually it's 3 years, but in other cases and venues it can be 6 months or so... like a tort or landlord tenant has shorter SOL's sometimes.
I am wondering about Venue in this as it was Thomas who revealed the letter to the MoS. So I'm wondering why MoS is being sued for it when the source of the original letter was Thomas, and he lives in Mexico. To me it's like the Plaintiff is conveniently Daisy Chaining the Venue in order to force liability onto the MoS. I don't know about UK venue law, but in the US, you file a suit against someone, the venue is in the Defendant's location, unless it's stipulated and agreed to and ordered by a judge that it can be changed.
Another thing that comes to mind, ya I know... I overthink everything. It comes from working for lawyers before going into journalism, I just can't imagine that the MoS legal team would have let the letter and story go to press without fully vetting and green lighting it first. I think the publisher's legal team would be far more cautious than say, Epstein's jail guards, warden, cameras...
punkinseed said…
@Marie, maybe Phillip called Harry and told him to STFU NoW! and that Less is More. It would be conflict of interest to have the same lawyer for Megs and Haz.
SwampWoman said…

Blogger Marie said...
Btw, for everyone talking about a statue of limitations, I don't know exactly what you mean, but after googling a bit, the UK has a Limitation Act of 1980 that seems to outline limitation periods for different kinds of things. But for civil claims, it's not clear cut that one cannot pursue after the period runs out.

Yes, that is what I meant, sorry if unclear. .
lizzie said…
@Punkinseed-- think Thomas is in the clear. As the recipient of the letter he can do what he wishes with it. Only the entity that published it has possible liability.
punkinseed said…
Lizzie, but there's the sticky part, chain of custody of the letter and its contents. Clearly, Thomas gave permission to MoS to publish it. It also brings the question of the UK law saying her words are her property, but I doubt that her copyrights in UK stretched over the Atlantic to Mexico, then back again.
Lurking said…
@pumpkinseed...

Thomas Markle is judgement proof, ie, he ain't got no monies. They are suing MoS, because MoS has the money to pay a judgement, or their insurer does.

UK law is likely very similar to US law on venue and most other things, after all, English Common Law was the foundation for US jurisprudence, Louisiana not withstanding.
Lurking said…
@punkinseed...

I believe UK copyrights may extend to the US by treaty... The Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works.
lizzie said…
The words belonging to M doesn't mean the physical letter with the fancy handwriting on it does once she mailed it to TM. Of course, I don't know Mexican law but I'm pretty sure in the US the actual letter would belong to him. Publishing is a different matter, and that's what brings copyright into the picture. That doesn't speak to TM's right to do with the letter as he wished.

And it's true TM is judgement- proof besides.
abbyh said…

Ah but Thomas Markle is in Mexico, not USA. The jurisdictions are ... playing Twister.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
So I just woke-up from a dream this morning.

(And, NO, this dream does not *directly* pertain to Meghan, although it does relate to Harry—just a little. So if you’re expecting some kind of prophesy, you can skip what I think will be a long-ass comment right now.)

In the dream I was at a pets (mainly dogs) event, there was a wooden boat and I got off quickly as something under one of the benches scared me.

I got off on the next stop which happened to be a film festival where I spotted an acquaintance, I quickly approached him because I knew nobody there. To gain entry into a screening, you had to sign your autograph with a Sharpie on a film poster/backdrop (this was the way you “buy a film ticket” in the dream).

We get in and the acquaintance starts playing with a baby and a Snoopy plushie. Apparently the baby is (somehow) the offspring of my old crush in undergrad! Which was odd because he wasn’t even married in the dream... How did he end up with a baby if there’s no wife?

Anyway, back to REAL LIFE... I used to codename my crush “Lennon” (because from a certain angle I thought he looked a bit like John Lennon—just my type, tall and lanky and all that). We majored in international law together. He was enrolled a year above me, but because he was a spoiled rich kid who didn’t take his studies serious (which to be fair most of the pupils at that university were) and I was always in a rush in life and getting into the advanced courses early, we often attended the same classes.

One summer he and his family go on holiday to England (apparently to survey graduate schools for him to attend, I later learn).

He goes to Madame Tussaud’s (in England) and takes a photo together with a wax figure of Hitler. And guess what Lennon does? He does the NAZI SALUTE next to wax Hitler and proudly posts it on Friendster (yeah I’m showing my age).

Being the dumbass he is, he didn’t know any better (although given we’d both studied WWII’s atrocities in International Humanitarian Law class together, he really should have).

This was around the time (can’t be sure before/after) Harry wore that Nazi costume at a costume party.

Then I justified it with the fact that he was best friends with the son of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time... In my self-denial I convinced myself that if the sun of MoFA thought he was cool to befriend, then It should be okay for me to still crush on him.

After I woke-up, I Googled him again. I know you’re not supposed to Google your exes but I did. He seems to be doing fine...

I recently (2018–2019) found the old photos of him. I put it down the paper shredder.

I don’t know how Meghan does it.

Or how she justifies it.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
My goodness there's so much to project our own life issues with these two isn't there!

Sorry if that was weird. I am in a different timezone.

It's Saturday morning here.

Hi everyone! ☀️
punkinseed said…
Possibly one of the drivers behind Megs and Harry's litigations is they are both butt burnt that Prince Andrew isn't getting even close to the negative press, disgust and pitchforks from the public as they are. Surely, they have tried to tell themselves, Andrew deserves much more flack than they've been getting because you know, after allll they do for everyone, every single public appearance, tours for HM and Commonwealth, all the displays promoting charity and kindness and shining a light. Why, it's Andrew who deserves public shaming, surely not the Duck and Duckess.
Fifi LaRue said…
Louise500: Thanks! It's all PR for Meg, whether good or bad, just as long as her name is in the news and people are talking and commenting. She's looking at the playbook of the Kardashians and Kanye. Do, say, or wear anything just to get in the news. As a side note, Meg will absolutely upstage Bea's wedding.
punkinseed said…
Haaa haa haaa! One of the commenters on Yankee Wally said the funniest thing. That Megs and Harry are digging themselves in so deep with the public's disgust that they are going to be marching shovels next. Haaa haaa! Gonna see if there's any shovels and spades put up on Meghan's Mirror yet.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
@rabbit:

At this stage if Meghan Markle upstages your wedding, you've pretty much just brought it onto yourself.

I mean people should know better than to invite this a-hole to their weddings by now.

If you don't disinvite them, you're practically *asking* for it imo. Sorry.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
To be fair tho...

If you did dusinvite her from a life event where you would naturally expect them to be invite, she'd just upstage you in the press with

"DUCHESS MARKLE BUTTHURT AND HEARTBROKEN OVER SNUB"

You can't win with this level of a-hole.

What is life
Girl with a Hat said…
punkinseed, you're right about the Andrew thing.

Lainey runs a post about Andrew almost daily and keeps comparing his treatment to Meghan's. She doesn't know the difference between allegations and criminal accusations.
JL said…
@Mischi
Am certain Elton schooled and encouraged Harry to sueon the hacking.
Have you seen the DM? It is nothing but Elton exclusives, no comments allowed.
Girl with a Hat said…
JL, I don't go to the DM anymore since they control or prohibit comments. I wonder why all the articles on Elton? That's another guy who repulses me.
Girl with a Hat said…
Scandi, go to youtube and watch Yankee Wally's latest. she talks about someone's take on Meghan - how their Christmas card with her back to us was meant as "kiss my ass", how she got her revenge on Eugenie with the pregnancy, and she builds up a narrative on how Meghan is just trolling us with all of her actions. We tend to see them as separate, but there's this thread of trying to get revenge and telling the world to f off that we tend to overlook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PrAOBqRkGg
JL said…
@Mischi All the Elton exclusives are weird just now since he won a settlement in a phone hacking. Oddly coincidental.
Cabraxas said…
This is just the opinion of a litigation secretary of 23 years. Meghan's made a grave mistake suing the Mail on Sunday because, in so doing, she's turned MoS into a Defendant. Defendant’s powers in court far exceed Plaintiff’s and the biggest power is Defendant’s right to Discovery; i.e., to ‘discover’ all evidence against it. Now, Meghan sent the 'heart broken into a million pieces' Letter to her father in August 2018, fully expecting/hoping/wanting him to publish it and thereby give her positive publicity as the poor little daughter betrayed by the awful mean dad. Alas for Meghan, Thomas Markle was so devastated by the cruel letter he didn’t release it. Ergo, in Feb. 2019, Meghan forced his hand by having “five friends” say painful nasty lies about him to People. It worked as Thomas gave the Letter to Mail on Sunday. Meghan’s triumph collapsed, however, when the Letter disgusted the public by making her look an even more a cold-hearted bitch to her sick dad than ever. Now it’s Oct. 2019 and Meghan finally sues MoS. Uh oh, Discovery is going to bite her in the ass because it gives MoS the legal right to demand People release all information on the "five friends" who initially accused Thomas Markle of being a mean dad. When that happens, those 'five friends' will turn out to be Meghan herself. Worse, Discovery will also unearth the financial connection between Meghan and People; i.e., she paid People to write stuff on her. Without question, this will be interpreted as Meghan giving permission for the letter to be published. Ergo, MoS wins, Meghan loses. And if Meghan refuses to cooperate in Discovery, i.e., hand over the incriminating evidence against her, she loses again. I don't know what the law is like in England but here in America refusal to cooperate in Discovery gets the case thrown out of court. This might not hold true in England but for sure Meghan's refusal to cooperate won't do her any good. In short, by filing a lawsuit, Meghan's opened up Pandora's Box – whose demons are going to fly straight for her.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
@Mischi:

Thanks for that. I had a good laugh. I love hearing these YouTubers read out loud and LOL at what they're reading.

When YW puts it like that, it makes these supposed "monarchy modernisers" APPEAR BACKWARD doesn't it.

I like YW a lot.

It's interesting that she's old enough to remember what pre-60's England was like.

Meanwhile Harry us acting just like a typical self-pitying everything-is-somebody-else's-fault millennial.

As is Meghan.

That's what Millenials do. They shift blame on something else instead of taking responsibility. If they act like a-holes they claim people hate them for their gender/race.

Harry's just itchy to play victim about SOMETHING (as are many other privileged Millenials twisting their lives to make them into SOME kind of marginalised hooman, ANY KIND). Too bad he was born a privileged white male, can't whine about much now can he? He must be having the time of his life with Meghan.

To be a finger-wagging SJW one needs a victimhood license. Privileged white males aren't typically granted that license so now he gets the permit through marriage. It's like a GREEN CARD I tell you!

The irony tho is that the action taken to play victim involved oppression freedom of teh presses. HAHAAAAAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHA the level of stupid I can't

And yes Meghan is technically a millennial. She was born 1981 which is the cut-off year for the beginning if the generation. Sometimes we forget she's a millennial because she's pushing 40 (nevermind how depressing it is that we've gotten so old so fast lol).

PS: Before anyone says Im a whiny old fart nagging "youngsters these days", I'm a millennial myself but I try not to be that way. I'm actually quite ashamed of my generation and would prefer to identify as Gen-X (like the Spice Girls).
Nelo said…
I feel Meghan may or may not lose in the case against MoS but Harry will certainly win in the case against Sun and Mirror because there was indeed a hacking of his phone (nine times) and for him to have filed this suit, it means there is no statue of limitations on it. I see what he is trying to do and even though we may not like rhe Sussexes, they really hit the tabloids and will discredit them further. Those who were too young to know about the hacking when Piers was editor will now know and it will totally discredit him when next he writes any opinions. That's exactly what Harry wants. He wants to totally discredit the tabloids and Morgan so badly by reminding people who had forgotten or people who were too young to know what the tabloids did to them in 2000. The only way Rupert Mudorch's media empire can get back at them is if his other non British media outlets release dirt on the royals.
Rainy Day said…
@Nelo, I disagree. I don’t think anyone except Harry cares what the tabloids did 20 years ago. I’m showing my age here, but at the time it was a huge scandal to listen to Charles wanting to be Camilla’s tampon, or to listen to Squidgeygate. At the time the technology was so new and it was a big deal to explain just how the hacking was done. What really upset everyone was the hacking of a murdered schoolgirl’s voicemail. Now, when there’s regular announcements of hacking, wiretapping, data theft and ID theft, the shock factor just isn’t there. If the suit really does relate back to 2000, then I think Harry’s totally lost it and is going for a scorched earth policy to hit everyone. The problem is that the only ones who will win are the lawyers charging the fees. It would be lovely if the press retaliated with a news blockout on M&H, but then we wouldn’t need Nutty and who would our little community complain about instead?

For something far more pleasant, there’s a lovely video out of Sophie Wessex dancing the waltz on one of her engagements - classy all around!
Nelo said…
@rainy day, I checked the front pages of British papers today and no tabloid had the story on it's cover. Times didn't have it too as expected. Guardian, Telegraph and Independent had it. I foresee a blackout of the Sussexes activities from tabloids. It definitely is from the 2000 case as revealed to Tom Sykes of the Daily Beast.
Natalier said…
I have been following this blog for some time and have enjoyed reading all the intelligent posts by Nutty and the comments by the posters here.
This may be oot but I was just re-watching Di's funeral and it suddenly struck me that Meghan may do the ultimate to remain the victim and never be forgotten, forever. What is this ultimate act? To become his widow. Why do I get flashes that she wants to be seen dressed in a black dress and pearls like Diana at Versace's funeral and she carrying her fatherless son, Archie at the funeral. I wonder if she has a hand in Prince Harry's seemingly downward spiral... I do not wish deathwish on anyone but the image and thoughts just flashed across my mind....
Scandi Sanskrit said…
OMG remember when Celt news talked aboit the award Meghan had won from Tatler and Piers Morgan said something about all the corpses she left in her trail on her way climbing up?

And celt was like "that's harsh" but you could tell she was giggling?

THAT WAS THE BEST 👏🏼😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
emeraldcity said…

Maybe this whole phone hacking thing is just H&M sunding up a balloon. All that has been done is that his law firm has 'issued proceedings'.

"Issuing proceedings is the first court step of possible legal action against a defendant. Once papers are lodged with the court, the claimant has four months to decide whether to proceed with the action by serving the defendant. Until that action has been taken, it would be possible for a defendant to be unaware of the content of the claim".
Nelo said…
@emerald city, most media and even sun are reporting that it's from the 2000 case. What I want to know is how this new suit is being received both in US and UK. When Meghan filed he suit, it trended for hours on Twitter even in my country but this suit filed by Harry didn't trend at all. Maybe it will trend today. Lol. Also, from the comments on some sites, Meghans suit received more support. People are commenting that Harry is taking but too far by resurrecting a 15 year old case. Unfortunately it is already overshadowing the PR for the Cambridges Pakistan tour. KP released details of the tour yesterday but it was overshadowed by Harry's suit. I don't know if the Cambridges will be happy about it. More details of Meghans suit will also be released on Oct 14, the day the tour begins.
emeraldcity said…
@Nelo.... I'm sure the Mirror and Sun know know what the suit is about now, but they may not have known about it when it as first file 10 days ago because apparently no one was actually obliged to mention it to them (how strange). This whole thing is just so bizarre,

The main thing about that item (from the Guardian I think) is that Harry has 4 mths to decide if he even wants to sue. Which makes it seem like more of a 'back off-threat', aimed mainly at Piers than an actual intent to go through with it, or is GingerMegs hoping for a big financial settlement out of court. With proceeds going into their charitable foundation no doubt(snort).

H&M should just jump in the hole they are digging for themselves and be done with it.
Nelo said…
@emerald city, no one knows what his end game is, it could be a threat or he may decide to go on with it. But who is backing him! Is BP backing him? Is Harry in this alone? Is it possible that Harry is single handedly taking on the Rupert Mudorch media empire, MoS and Daily Mirror without powerful forces backing him? There's a proverb in my country that says when a child starts threatening an elder in the market square, it means there is a huge masquerade at the corner beating the drums of war for him. This proverb means that a child cannot confront someone bigger than him without the backing of powerful forces. (Masquerades are believed to be spirits with supernatural powers). Who is backing Harry in this fight against half of the British media? Who is funding him?
@Nelo, no one at BP is backing Harry or Meghan, it’s been stated enough times in the press already. He’s using a law firm called Clinton’s with the latest law suit. He’s completely lost the plot, and a totally deluded oaf.
@Nelo, ‘Unfortunately it is already overshadowing the PR for the Cambridges Pakistan tour. KP released details of the tour yesterday but it was overshadowed by Harry's suit. I don't know if the Cambridges will be happy about it.’

The lawsuits aren’t top stories or headline news. The Cambridge’s aren’t being overshadowed. Why are always so dramatic and read into stuff which isn’t true?
Nelo said…
@Louise, I asked who is funding him. Yes on paper he says it will be privately funded but are the Sussexes so wealthy to go on with two expensive lawsuits? If the three media ge is suing decide to drag it endlessly, can the Sussexes afford it without going bankrupt? My questions are valid.
Nelo said…
@Louise, go and Google 'bbc paper covers' the lawsuits are the main cover stories for Guardian, Telegraph and Independent for today. I'm not referring to the online version, I'm referring to their print version and you can check for yourself. I'm not being dramatic, you can Google it and tell me if I'm wrong.
Maggie said…
I believe both cases are about gagging the press. The failure of the MoS to settle out of court suggests that the terms of the proposed settlement were too onerous, for example agreeing to only publish positive stories about the pair. I would guess this is the purpose of Harry's lawsuit too.

I can't imagine either of them will make credible witnesses, Meghan because she lives in her own narrative and Harry because he seems to be her creature with little independent thought.

In the witness box he's going to be asked why he's taking action now on an historic matter. I can't think of a believable reason, short of stifling free speech. He's going to have to convince the court that he has good reasons and is suffering harm from the hacking.

After a lifetime of deference the shredding he's going to be subjected to by the Defence Counsel will be totally gloves off. He recently shouted at poor Rhiannon for asking a polite question- how will he cope with cross-exaination?

I can't wait for the movie!

On a sadder note, this must be causing many crisis meetings in The Windsors production office. How will they make the toxic royals amusing?
emeraldcity said…
@Nelo...... I really don't know, I have no inside information on that.

Personally I think it's the cuckoo in the RF nest and Harry’s own plan to get money out of the tabloids (against every ones advice). Megs would have had no trouble convincing him the evil tabloids were both Her and Harry's arch enemies whom they should BOTH take revenge on for not falling for their fluff and hustle and being so mean to his NEW mummy. Harry certainly has enough money to set the wheels in motion and they are both counting on coming out of it with inflated bank balances in the end.

I don't think he needs the masquerade at the corner to back him up, his upbringing and lifelong family bailouts and indulgences along with Meghan's bedtime whispers have probably led him to believe he is bullet proof.

However, I do believe that many in the family are quaking in their boots and well they should be , she is proving to be as much as a loose cannon as Diana and no doubt Harry has spilled a lot of scandal beans about the family to her, I'm sure blackmail or writing a tell all book is not beyond her money making vision. Perhaps she also thinks she is bullet proof.

My mind just boggles at the stupidity of this pair when they have had everything handed to them, including the good will of most of the nation at the time of the wedding, all squandered within a year.

One thing I do know is that she applied for her own bank account with Coutt's a while back and was denied (H&M do have a joint account there). That's a real kick in the pants from the upper class establishment. Quite a few LOL's about that doing the rounds.
Liver Bird said…
Interesting that a lot of people have mentioned Elton John. I was also a bit suspicious of why they would take a private jet out to Maison de Elton for only - I believe - 2 days, especially after just being on a posh holiday. As others have said, Elton won huge damages in a phone hacking case some years ago, and he and his partner David Furnish also allegedly brought a superinjunction against the British media a few years ago. So I'm betting this was the main reason for their visit.
Liver Bird said…
" I asked who is funding him."

Nobody's funding him, except maybe their dodgy 'foundtion'. They are paying privately for Meghan's lawsuit which I'd say has a good chance of success. The cases against the Sun and Mirror haven't been filed yet, and going by the history of such cases - which usually end up in substantial out-of-court settlements - probably they won't be.
Liver Bird said…
"she is proving to be as much as a loose cannon as Diana"

I think she has the potential to be much worse.

Diana was an aristocrat and believed in the monarchy. She had a vested interest in the continued existence of the royals, since her son would be king one day. And it's said that shortly before her death, she and Charles were on good terms and she was starting to regret the divorce.

Meghan by contrast, is an outsider, javascript:void(0)an American who couldn't care less about the royal family, as we have seen so clearly. All she wants is as much money and fame as anyone could possibly imagine. If that means trashing the royals, so be it. And Harry is stupid enough to go along with it. Only consolation is that Harry and Meghan don't really count in the long run.
emeraldcity said…

^ Coutts not Coutt's, damn auto correct.
@Nelo, you asked who was backing him, I was referring to that, not funding.

You embellish and you do dramatise. The lawsuits aren’t all over the news, it’s merely a flicker compared to other lawsuits filed in the past by the royals.
Maggie said…
On the UK BBC News feed it's 10th in Most Read. They're not that important.
Miggy said…
Piers Morgan-

"It’s time the ‘terrible’ British press stopped covering any public engagement by the Duke & Duchess of Sussex. Let’s all give them the privacy they purport to crave, and spare them the ‘torment’ of having their myriad causes get huge beneficial publicity."

Yes please!
Marie said…
It may be actually important to emphasise here that people are discussing how Elton received a larger settlement as recently as this year, in April 2019, as part of another, more recent legal action involving the old phone hacking. We're not talking about years ago. It's all very curious for me that you could continue to benefit. Also, while the PR press for Elton's new memoir/book has been organised at least a year in advance in all likelihood, the timing of the Diana excerpts is curious. Wonder if this is part of why H&M issued their statements. And I sort of hate the hypocrisy how celebs like Elton complain about the tabloids and press, and yet use the tabloids to peddle their memoirs and remind the world of their status by recounting juicy gossip on other stars who aren't there to defend themselves or the allegations.

@swampwoman, thanks for the info. Seems to add to the narrative that Meghan is a bit litigious or at least not a shrinking violet. Also seems like the IRS is suggesting you can open a new luxury house boat settlement - glamping is so last year, meet swamping. :D
JL said…
For all we know, what the lawsuits are about really is Archificial and keeping the alleged surrogacy, surrogate, real age of the baby, true nature of his dna etc. top secret.
abbyh said…
One thing I do know is that she applied for her own bank account with Coutt's a while back and was denied (H&M do have a joint account there). That's a real kick in the pants from the upper class establishment. Quite a few LOL's about that doing the rounds.

Hmm. If true, why would she need to have her own account - now?
Scandi Sanskrit said…
@Miggy:

Loving Piers' utter twistedness. 🌝

He *KNOWS* the true terrible torment for them would be if we all stopped paying them any attention... 🌚

Maybe the press should stop reporting them altogether... See how they'll like it then.

(They'd probably just start posting 27 Instagram posts and 54 IG stories daily.)
Nelo said…
Heather, Hurley and Elton all received payouts this year from the News of the World hacking scandal. More cases are still being filed and Guardian is reporting that it is taking a huge financial toll on the media organisation. Means it's not just Harry suing. Others who were affected sued recently. If all those who are suing get payouts, it will badly affect the finances

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jul/08/heather-mills-receives-apology-and-payout-in-phone-hacking-case
Fairy Crocodile said…
I am still waiting to find out what charities benefited from 3 millions paid by Disney to Sussexes for attending the Lion King. As far as we know this money hasn't even been registered with their foundation.
JL said…
@Fairy
My guess is the “charity” that benefited is Sunshine Sacks, which has stated it is helping the Foundation.
abbyh said…
I am still waiting to find out what charities benefited from 3 millions paid by Disney to Sussexes for attending the Lion King. As far as we know this money hasn't even been registered with their foundation.

Is there any kind of legal timeline for reporting donations UK versus USA (if going to LA is the end game)?


Different topic: I am amused at the idea of all that money they sunk into the positive press to make themselves look so good could be used to fund the papers to defend themselves from them. And, would they have difficulty getting people to pay for positive press in the future? Would their price go up or down because of their reputations?
JL said…
Here is a question. I think comment boards will be increasingly shut down. For example a recent post in US Magazine on Kate’s Pakistan tour that led with a Markle mention has no comment board. Elton John exclusives in DM—no comment boards. Meanwhile I think SS is successfully seeding the US magazine and tabloid market with pro Sussex articles. And as we know individual bloggers and YouTubers are who see through the Sussexes are being targeted. The point is how to respond to this control and proaganda? The Harkle lies are not important in the global scheme of issues, yet I would like to see to it that the Harkle propaganda is exposed. How to do this when we are up against a purchased and litigated media? I think @Nutty is great, but besides her readers how will the wider audience ever learn the truth? Is there anything we can do?
Miggy said…
@Scandi Sanskrit

I agree :)

I rarely view her 'Me me me' Instagram page, so she can treble her posts for all I care, as I won't see them! LOL
punkinseed said…
@Mischi. Yes. Brainless Lainey does go on and on, and yes... innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. I can't stand it when people leave off the most important part. I know also that people will frequently typo Statute of Limitations by writing Statue. What makes me laugh is at those who really believe it's statue of limitations. It's kind of a funny malapropism.
Meg's fuel is mostly greed and how to create buzz to supply her NPD.
That segment on Yankee Wally about Megs and Harry's big fat FU's over the past year is so true. It's a good reminder for us to be more aware and call Megs out on it when she does that. She loves to be trolled, too.

Another thing I've noticed over time is how much people who have never experienced surviving the clutches of an NPD person is how quick they are to defend their behavior. It's a shame so many are enabling and feeding the monster. And as far as people saying Harry is still in the love bomb bubble, my view is that the love bombing isn't an ongoing thing, that it waxes and wanes. Right now I think it's waxing.
Tea Cup said…
I hate to say, but so far Harry and MM are winning. They have big guns on their side with the law suits; and despite Harry's truculence toward the British press, the press seem ever more preoccupied with the Sussexes. MM is managing to consistently suck the oxygen out of every room and no one seems to know a damn thing to do about it.

At least William had the wherewithal to put as much distance as he could between himself and MM. His choosing Catherine as consort and recognizing MM's pathology from the very beginning demonstrates a level of wisdom that makes him exceptionally primed for the throne.

Hopefully the rumours are true that were the monarchy to no longer prevail, he would be perfectly content to live a fulfilling life nestled in the comforts of his close-knot family unit. Harry is already destined as the David and Margaret perjorative that will forever be a cause for the BRF to heave a sigh.
Maggie said…
@Tea Cup
I hate to say, but so far Harry and MM are winning. They have big guns on their side with the law suits; and despite Harry's truculence toward the British press, the press seem ever more preoccupied with the Sussexes

That's an interesting take on the current situation. I would love to know what led you to your conclusions.

What I see is the media circling the wagons against a wildly unpredictable prince who appears to be in thrall to a woman who despises his family, the British and the UK: in fact she appears to loathe us lowly citizens.

If you're referring to Ellen Degeneres - well that's purely transactional,they share a PR Agent and doubtless she's angling for the big interview.

As for new BFF Elton John, he's happily using the Mail to promote his memoirs.

All high profile endorsements are meaningless. They will make one statement and that's it;Serena, Michelle, Hillary - we'll hear no more from them. They will get their payback through the circuitous PR route.

I think perhaps you underestimate how deeply angry the Press are with the Sussex's. They have sat on so many damning stories and left them unpublished because of the contract that exists with the Royals, only to be attacked quite savagely.

I wouldn't want to be Harry and Meghan now. The sh!t will really hit the fan; the stories will be released, probably slowly and through indirect sources, but there's no way back for the Harkles.
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