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Big Girls Don't Cry: Meghan Markle and Free Speech

Earlier this week the Nordic Council Literature prizes were given out in Sweden, and in the audience was Mette Frederiksen, the new prime minister of Denmark.

Mette is almost the same age as Meghan Markle - she is 41 - and she's accomplished a fair amount in her lifetime, most of it without draping herself over a man. Now she's the head of (small) country, in charge of its finances, its educational system, and its military.

When you're in the spotlight like that, not everyone is your fan.

In fact, the winner of the Nordic Council Literature prize was not Mette's fan.

"You are the head of a racist government of a racist country," Jonas Eika, a 28-year-old Danish writer, said in his speech to the woman sitting right in front of him. "You claim to care about children, but you tear families apart. You claim to be left wing, but your policies are no better than the policies of the right wing."

Was Mette pleased? Probably not. She didn't applaud when Jonas Eika's speech was over.

But did she go home and get a bunch of female MPs to sign a letter saying she'd been treated unfairly? Did she complain that Jonas Eika, a man, was abusing her because she was a woman?

No, because big girls who are in confident in their positions of power don't need to silence their opponents. And big girls who have chosen to be in public life realize they won't be universally liked.

When it comes to nonviolent dissent or even rudeness and insults, big girls don't cry.

Meghan needs protection

Which leads us back to Meghan Markle, who is often said to be politically ambitious herself.

At the very least, she wants her political ideas to be heard, much more than she wants to be loved, as she told a syncophantic reporter for The Telegraph this week. She regularly encourages other woman to "use their voice."

"Women don't need to find a voice, they have a voice, and they need to feel empowered to use it, and people need to be encouraged to listen," Meghan told last year's Royal Foundation Forum.

Since that forum in May, Meg has directed her team to repeatedly attack the media and the British public for being inadequately supportive of Meghan and her choices.

Apparently women should be "empowered to use their voices" as long as they say things Meghan agrees with.

Using her own voice

Meanwhile, Meg is empowered to use her own voice in many different ways. In addition to the usual Royal speeches (and writing some of Prince Harry's speeches), she has done exclusive print interviews and exclusive documentary interviews.

She is widely acknowledged as the writer behind the large blocks of text and squiffy grammar on the @SussexRoyal Instagram account.

In addition, Meghan uses her voice indirectly through proxies like her PR people, the "five friends" who spoke to People Magazine, sympathetic journalists like Omid Scobie, and Twitter accounts that may or may not be her.

Meghan is certainly getting a chance to have her say.

It distresses her, however, that other people are also getting to have their say, particularly when they say the wrong things, at least from Meghan's point of view.

Bullying versus dissent

Bullying exists, and it is devastating for its victims.

Part of the definition of bullying, however, is that the bully must have more power than his or her victim - the physical strength of the playground lout, or the economic strength of the vicious boss or co-workers.

It is hard to argue that the members of the public who express their dislike for Meghan (and that is whom she is really going after with her suit against the 'bullying' media, the tens of thousands of Daily Mail commenters who openly detest her) really have more power than she does.

The elderly female bloggers who were "doxxed" at Meghan's prompting last year certainly weren't part of any power structure.

Being disagreed with and disliked is part of life for people who choose to be in the public eye. As long as physical violence, stalking, or unauthorized medical or intimate photo release is not present or threatened, it's very hard for a self-promoted celebrity to justifably claim bullying.

Meghan won't be quiet

The great irony of Meghan trying to silence her critics is that there is little chance that she, personally, will ever be quiet.

No doubt when her divorce settlement comes through, it will come with the form of an "ironclad" non-disclosure agreement, or NDA.

But NDAs aren't as powerful as they once were; plaintiffs suing for transgression of NDAs are being required to show real monetary damage from the information disclosed, for example. Could the British Royal Family meet that level of proof?

NDAs are also being put aside for social justic reasons: NBC, for example, recently released all its employees from their NDAs to allow them to discuss sexual harassment they may have been subject to at the company, and FoxNews employees are seeking a similar release.

Releasing damaging material anonymously

All an NDA can do is provide a penalty after information is released - but it can't prevent the release of the information, particularly through anonymous sources.

Meghan does love to imitate Diana, Princess of Wales - who released enormous amounts of damaging information "anonymously" via author Andrew Morton.

Another strategy might be to release damaging information online through one of her shell accounts, have a few confederates retweet or share it, and then claim the information was already public when confirming it in person.

(The William and Rose rumors may have been a dry run for this tactic.)

At any rate, free speech is a right Meghan intends to make full use of, and no doubt hopes she can profit from.

She's less enthusiastic about free speech rights for anybody else.




Comments

abbyh said…

As for MM herself, I wonder if she subscribes to the "fake it 'til you make it" school of thought/cognitive therapy.

I think so SwampWoman.

I think that is why, to a certain degree, we are seeing so much fluffy PR stuff being thrown at us daily. They are throwing everything at us in hopes something will stick, she will be viewed as wonderful, (the Diana 2.0, great humanitarian, woke before woke existed, knowledgeable on any and everything) which she thinks will give her greater bargaining power at anyone who displeases her/worthy of filing suit against ... and possible should she feel a need to file for divorce.
CatEyes said…
With respect to her coming to California with her 'woke; agenda I think she will be so outclassed by people who are Really doing something for the environment or those with Real credentials for philanthropy. Correct me if I am wrong but what of substance has she done other than writing messages on bananas or spout word salad of unoriginal thoughts (some of it plagiarized). I lived in California for decades and I don't think she will have more than 14 1/2 minutes of fame (unless of course she keeps paying for PR, but that's not real fandom). No offense, but Harry will be a snooze to us.
Royal Fan said…
Solved blind gossip on Hazz and Megsy!

https://blindgossip.com/wounded-little-boy/

Vince said…
@Mimi
Thanks!

Glad you were able to research about the costs. Yeah, it does seem like just about all of it comes down to the taxpayers. As you said, no wonder they are trying to keep all those (big) costs hidden from the public.
Vince said…
@CatEyes
Agreed with you about her length of fame if she's back in California. People there are used to celebrities, ones much more famous than Meghan. And as you said, she'll never stack up against people who are truly committed to causes and who are sacrificing for those causes constantly.
CatEyes said…
@Mimi
I am inclined to think she got that special US treatment as a favor to the Queen because it was not that long after President Trump and wife came for a state visit and then just a little later his whole family (or so it seemed lol) came to visit the BRF. One can say what you want about Trump but he seems to have a special affection for the Queen. By extension, Meghan is treated well since she is married to Queen's grandson. From a practical standpoint, it was a very short visit and she was very pregnant and without Harry by her side.

I just don't see a local government (Los Angeles or any Calif. city) will be able to sustain long-term security costs when the economy is causing them to cut music education in schools, reduce public libraries being open, having to contend with thousands of homeless living on the sidewalks with disease breaking out etc...).

Royal Fan said…
According to rumors from a response posted to a CDAN blind, Megsy has to have a senior royal escort anytime she’s on any royal properties.


https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/11/blind-items-revealed-2_3.html?m=1
CatEyes said…
@Royal Fan

So I hardly know anything about that site...is it trustworthy as to the truth? Or more like just someone says something and it is up to the reader to decide if it is true?

If the rumor is true that is very telling as to how Meghan is viewed by the Queen. Wow!
SwampWoman said…
If the rumor is true that is very telling as to how Meghan is viewed by the Queen. Wow!

I wonder which expensive trinkets showed up at a pawn shop (grin).
Lurking said…
To all the people in the US who can't find anyone to talk to about Smeghan... we can commiserate together. I've annoyed my husband way too much with all the talk about Smeghan. He has requested no more updates until further notice.

SwampWoman said…
To all the people in the US who can't find anyone to talk to about Smeghan... we can commiserate together. I've annoyed my husband way too much with all the talk about Smeghan. He has requested no more updates until further notice.

Very true. When MM is mentioned, the most common response is "who?"
MaLissa said…
Lurking said... To all the people in the US who can't find anyone to talk to about Smeghan... we can commiserate together. I've annoyed my husband way too much with all the talk about Smeghan. He has requested no more updates until further notice.

LOL :) My husband said the same thing. He's just sick and tired of me talking about the royals. He said to let him know when Harry ditches his first wife :)
Mimi said…
I scanned the tabloids in the market check out line last week and didn’t see her nasty face on anything but a few weeks ago I did see The Enquirer with her picture on the cover and something about “Meghan is a monster” printed across her ugly face!
Mimi said…
I meant the tabloids i. the U.S. where I am from.
CatEyes said…
SwampWoman & MaLissa

I know what you mean about talking about Megs. I have a home care worker (young lady) who listens to my endless chatter about the latest Harkles shenanigans. She used to think I was intelligent, now I'm afraid she thinks I've gotten dementia and am making this stuff up! LOL
Shazzam said…
Mimi, in Australia the weekly magazines always seem to have her face on the cover. I refuse to buy them when they do. The story is usually how wonderful she is.
Mimi said…
Shazzam, I am hoping that what people are saying about her being unpopular in the U.S. is true. I’d like to see her come back to the U.S. and try spouting her mouth off about how we are all wounded creature and blah blah blah. I am hoping somebody would rip her to shreds real quick!
Nutty Flavor said…
I hear what you're saying re: oversharing about the Sussex story - that's why it's great that we have this board!

I always liken it to sports. Many men, and some women, love their sports teams so much that they can drone on endlessly about their favorite team or players or manager. Even moreso if they have fantasy teams.

I understand why they do it - it's just an escape from the daily grind, and something that won't really affect their lives one way or the other.

Celebrity gossip in general, and Sussex gossip in particular, serves the same purpose.
catskillgreen said…
Hello all. I do not post often as everything is usually said far better than I could, that is why I love this blog. I do want to chime in about a couple of things.
First, I also have no one to discuss the repugnant, charlatan grifter. I am American, in rural upstate NY and I have no one to discuss them with either. It is always "Who?? Meghan Markle?? I say "the one who married Prince Harry" At that point they ask nothing more or a few may know she is the first bi-racial in the RF. Friends on FB from all over the country have the same reaction.
They think of the RF as something quaint kept up to attract tourism but glad we don't have it here because the very idea someone is 'royal' is offensive to Americans. Especially paying for weddings like that or grand clothes for brief appearances.
Even my mother from Europe (Germany) does not care, except to say she admires the Northern European monarchies more for how they work at regular jobs now.
Being a royal couple will not count for as much here.
So, this blog has been very satisfying and I am a little disappointed comments have slowed down.
Second, I am furious my NY taxes will go to protecting Meghan's "skanky ass" as a previous poster said, for her to go from parties to dinners, etc. None being official visits.
She will surely come here during her 6 weeks to get pap walks in.
I highly doubt she will be asked to make paid speeches anywhere but I could be wrong.
It led me to thinking that I probably am paying for this all the time with people from many countries visiting, I then thought of Prince Andrew at the door of Epstein's mansion waving good bye to some girl. Grrrrr....
Last, the Charlatan Duchess site has Dove soap company backing Meghan and the 72 MP signers. Why would they do that like they are backing some real victim?
I wrote Dove to complain. It is not just backing Meghan they are backing silencing freedom of speech. It's an American company FGS. I will have to see if they are also a Soros owned company.
Something is very fishy with how Meghan got so much power over the RF and they seem helpless to stop her.
I want to walk away from reading any more about her but keep waiting for justice to expose her to ALL the way we see through her. A few secret recordings of her being abusive to staff or Harry or the Queen is what is needed. I had thought if her faked pregnancy came out that would do but she could get sympathy if she uses mental illness and fear of letting the public know she used a surrogate.
Archie is the biggest mystery...is he a borrowed baby? That seems too far fetched but he seems so distant from her. I feel sorry for little Archie, she has no family ties and he will not be part of playing with cousins. He may have a few play dates with other celeb kids but I do not see her maintaining any friendships with other mothers for long or even nannies he may get attached to.
They are coming here to see what America has to offer....she is always wrong, and once she sees Hollywood does not want her and Harry has nothing to do she will be furious. She wants to be a Hollywood star living in Malibu so badly she is throwing away the best thing that ever happened to her being the unoriginal nobody that she is.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Apparently our favorite woke "royal" is in California. And I bet she's buggered off to avoid wearing a poppy. Oh may be it is not true and we'll see her on the balcony with the royals. Pretending nothing is wrong. Don't know what is worse.
lizzie said…
While I'd like to think H&M have been sidelined, I don't think the Court Circular tells us anything. As it says on the site,

"The Court Circular is the official record of past royal engagements."

So it's not unusual for engagements to show up later.

https://www.royal.uk/court-circular
Sandie said…
Meghan's PR is working so hard to make her a saint ...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1199723/meghan-markle-news-meghan-markle-video-latest-royal-family-documentary-royal-news

If you look at the video, this was obviously organised by the school. For Meghan to claim this as proof that she was born an activist and so on is actually quite pathetic.

Regarding this post:

1. Neither Meghan nor her supporters are pointing out which negative articles about her are lies (nor using the channels available to force the media outlet to retract and apologise).

2. Meghan is ignoring all the positive BS that media outlets print about her. Why is she ok with this false narrative being peddled? (There was a great post on Lipstick Alley that made a list of these, and most of the involve the Queen: the birthday party that never happened, the letter that did not exist, the closeness that is not supported by the evidence; the baby shower organised by Kate that never happened ... BYW, there is one thread on Lipstick Alley that is a gathering for black women to express their dislike of Meghan. It is now on Part 2 .. thousands of pages. It is not just gossip and whinging but includes a lot of sharp analysis and research that debunks the Meghan narrative. https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread.2149639/ https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/)

3. As Nutty explained, you cannot leave power out of a consideration about bullying.
Liver Bird said…
@lizzie

There is a section in the CC called 'Future Engagements' which shows just that. Not all engagements are listed because some are embargoed due to security concerns, but it does give a reasonable idea of what individual royals have in their diary for the near future. There doesn't appear to be much there for Meghan.
lizzie said…
Thanks @Liver Bird. Usually when people say "court circular" they are talking about the part I mentioned. I had looked at the section you reference in the past but always found it pretty unhelpful, perhaps because of embargoes. And so I tend to forget about it. But looking at it now, it appears there aren't any engagements listed for Will or Kate either between today and New Year's Day. So I'm just not sure that the general "royal schedule" site tells us much about H&M.
Liver Bird said…
So it's now quite literally a soap opera!

Soap manufacturers Dove have taken to Twitter to 'thank' Meghan and the MPs for 'standing up for women'!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189909305744596992

FFS why is a commercial company - part of the giant Unilever group - getting involved in royal affairs? So in one week both politics and commerce have involved themselves in the Harkles saga. This never used to happen with royals. They're supposed to stand aloof from all that. Seems like other Twitter users agree - the comments are brutal with the #boycottDove hashtag appearing!

Also, I don't know if it's relevant but people have pointed out that Serena's husband Alexis Ohanian partnered up with Dome for some initiative promoting paternity leave in the US. Is there a connection here? I mean, it could be that Dove are just trying to seem 'right-on' and it all ties in with their silly faux feminist advertising but... when it comes to Meghan I'm inclined to think there's always something going on. You could spend hours disentangling all the PR connections with her 'friends' and the 'causes' she 'supports'.
SwampWoman said…
Something that has always bothered me is how she touts her schoolgirl activism (which was a class assignment by an activist teacher in the Little Red Schoolhouse). If an 11-year-old child was emotionally or intellectually involved in something that defined her life, shouldn't she have solid evidence of environmental activism/participation from then on instead of one event? Most people that have found their purpose or passion in life as children are *very* focused on that purpose whether it is a paying proposition or a case of working to pay for their true love. It doesn't matter whether that passion is skydiving, rock climbing, hot air ballooning, quilting or coding.

She may have discovered her passion when she was 11 but it was NOT the environment. Her passion was being on television, and she was determined to do anything to repeat the experience and to ruthlessly sacrifice anything not connected with her true love, herself on the big screen.

I fear that she will never know happiness, peace, or be famous (or infamous) enough.



Sandie said…
Coincidence?

Meghan Markle, UN Women conference in 2015

'it isn’t enough to simply talk about equality. One must believe in it. And it isn’t enough to simply believe in it. One must work at it.'

Eleanor Roosevelt, Voice of America broadcast (11 November 1951)

'It isn't enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. And it isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it.'

Miggy said…
@ SwampWoman

"If an 11-year-old child was emotionally or intellectually involved in something that defined her life, shouldn't she have solid evidence of environmental activism/participation from then on instead of one event?"

I posted a Youtube video yesterday from ET Canada, where a British guy, (no idea who he is) discusses a documentary they are doing about Meghan. He says that he discovered that age 10 she campaigned against the first Gulf War and apparently there is footage!
lizzie said…
@Sandie, Obviously not coincidence. Wish things like that would get more press.

It wouldn't have been a big deal if she'd just said something like "to borrow from Eleanor Roosevelt..."
CatEyes said…
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Miggy said…
HarryMarkle has a new post.
MaLissa said…
Nutty Flavor said... Celebrity gossip in general, and Sussex gossip in particular, serves the same purpose

Yes it truly is and it's the only escape I like to gossip and snark about. Thank you so much Nutty for giving us a "haven" to vent.

Liver Bird said... So it's now quite literally a soap opera!

Soap manufacturers Dove have taken to Twitter to 'thank' Meghan and the MPs for 'standing up for women'!


I'm afraid of what she'll pull out of her ass next. This is getting ridiculous. As I've said before, when does it all end. When she gets all the world to bow down and scrape to her? Even then she wouldn't be happy and thriving, she'll be just living because after that it's all downhill. Then comes depression. Then she'll act up again and be a spectacle and the whole rigamarole/circus starts all over again. I'm just exhausted watching/reading about La Markle.
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Bob said…
Look at this delicious comment left on CDAN

“ Let's see how the news I heard last night plays out. The Queen held a meeting with Meghan and Harry. They went to her in hopes of convincing her to allow them to live in the US part time. The Queen did far more. She stripped them both of their titles and their annual $15 million royal stipend. She also took back the keys to Frogmore Cottage. Meghan they flew to the US and Harry went to Japan for his royal obligation. It will take until about January for the legalities of the Queen's measures to be completed. So now we wait for news. I expect Harry to head back to England alone to beg Gan for his money and title back”
Liver Bird said…
@Bob

That comment might be 'delicious' but it is 100% pure fantasy.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
Dove is a fake-woke company.

They're owned by Unilever and they sell skin-whitening products in former European colonies, they sell tons of skin-whitening products in Indonesia (a former Dutch colony).

Some reading material:

- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-dove-ad-isnt-racist-but-unilevers-overseas-skin-lightening-business-is/

- https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/doves-gaffe-is-part-of-a-history-of-racist-beauty-marketing

This is also why I stopped buying The Body Shop (despite it being one of my first beauty brands growing up) after L'Oréal bought TBS.

Dove also likes to kill women's acting careers to keep their lies.

The "real people" in their advertisements are actors and these actresses are required to sign an contract prior to filming where they agree they will never audition/act in any role ever again for life (as that would reveal the "real people" are in fact not real). Yet they go to actual acting agencies (where the working actresses are) for talent instead of scouting actual non-actresses on the street.

I would know because one of my agents BBM-ed me a notice for a Dove ad (this was circa 2013 when I'd audition for ads to get my foot in the door).

I'm not one of those people who gets mad at their support system like an ungrateful POS, but I was *livid* when one of my agents suggested I try that out for one of those ads. It was like he thought all I was good for was making him a quick buck by killing my entire career. I hadn't even gotten cast in my first role then! A-hole.

It's like, "how thirsty are you to be on TV for your 5 seconds of pretending to be a 'real person' in a Dove commercial? Thirsty enough to kill your entire acting career for a 6-month stint on national TV?"

A-HOLES. ALL OF THEM.

Stand up to women by killing their careers to keep your lies. I boycotted Dove before Meghan even met Harry. LOL.

The NERVE they had to use big words like "COLONIALISM", acting like a clique of neo-colonialists themselves.

Better not provoke me about the British Council too. Go fund the British Council so they don't have to use "free venues" associated with the Harvey Weinsteins of Indonesia instead of using your tax money to clear the streets of homeless people for a royal wedding, England!

I'm back to hiatus. I just came to say that. I want you ALL TO KNOW what kind of company Dove/Unilever is in developing countries.
Bob said…
@liver bird damn that is such a pity. One can dream I guess.
SwampWoman said…
@ Miggy


I posted a Youtube video yesterday from ET Canada, where a British guy, (no idea who he is) discusses a documentary they are doing about Meghan. He says that he discovered that age 10 she campaigned against the first Gulf War and apparently there is footage!

I hope that you will forgive the unladylike way that I snorted in my coffee upon reading that, then exclaimed "Well, of COURSE there is (camera footage), otherwise she wouldn't have been there!" There is likewise probably footage of her attending anti vax rallies, animal rights rallies, etc. The entire family must support the cause celebre of the day if you work in a woke industry!
Liver Bird said…
Excellent piece from Harry Markle. I really like the way he/she waits until the dust has settled on the latest Harkle story before writing about it.

The MPs' letter really was shambolic. I suspect many of them are already regretting it. Ditto with Dove jumping on the bandwagon. The thing about jumping on bandwagons is.... you need to make sure about just what you're jumping on first. If you're an MP - especially with an election imminent - or a company which needs people to buy your product rather than all of the many almost identical products out there - you need to be sure your stance is going to be popular with those who have the power not to choose you, ie, the public.

The problem with these people is that they're all so wrapped up in their 'woke' bubble that they don't realise that most people do not like Meghan, and that even those who do are mostly fed up of her whining. And that's not because we are 'racists' or misogynists, simply because hypocrisy and self-pity just aren't very attractive. Least of all in massively privileged public servants.
Hikari said…
@SwampWoman,

Kudos for your very astute comment:

>>>She may have discovered her passion when she was 11 but it was NOT the environment. Her passion was being on television, and she was determined to do anything to repeat the experience and to ruthlessly sacrifice anything not connected with her true love, herself on the big screen.<<<<

Since her dad was in the production side of show business and Meg basically grew up on the set of "Married With Children", a not-salubrious environment for a young girl, a TV set become 'normal life' for her, so I suppose that her ending up in show business herself, however marginally, is not that unusual. Kids of teachers, doctors, lawyers or plumbers tend to follow their parents into the 'family business' and the same goes for show biz types, which is why so many children of actors also end up becoming actors (oftentimes against their parents' strenuous objections because they know how unstable and brutal a business it can be. Benedict Cumberbatch's parents sent him to all the best posh schools in the hopes he would become a barrister. That voice would have been very effective in a courtroom). But the media exposure on Nickelodeon after that Proctor & Gamble project was likely Megsy's first taste of being the subject of a TV piece instead of hanging out at Daddy's work, watching other people be on TV.

Meg was a homely little girl back then. I am wondering if she had plastic surgery in high school because the change in her looks from age 12 to 17 was remarkable. Most kids change a lot during that time window and become better-looking (though sometimes it's the reverse and kids who were adorable when they were little do not make the transition to adulthood well). Meghan's features were entirely different by the time she was a senior in high school. Is it even legal to do purely cosmetic surgery on minors, even with parental consent?

Anyway, I watched that Nick video through the lens of what we know the adult Meg to be--a manipulative Narcissist--and I got chills. She did 90% of the talking (of course), though she was flanked by two other little girls in her class. I suppose she had been selected to basically be the spokesperson seeing as she had written the letter for the class, owing to having the best penmanship (no flourishes and not yet being called 'calligraphy'. I'm a little hazy on how this class project worked, but it seems like all of the kids were asked to select a commercial and the class then voted on the one to turn into their class crusade? Anybody with more intel on this please chime in. So the whole class would have then collaborated on the content of the letter to be sent off to the P&G executives, with Meg as their 'secretary'. If she then appropriated the entire idea and letter as her own, that would be in keeping with her MO as we know it today.

I think it was the Charlatan Duchess who posted a GIF of Meg during this interview at some point--wish I could find it again--where the commentator has obviously directed her attention to another child for a moment and the look Meg gives has 'junior psychopath' stamped all over it. She looks ahead with eyes that are absolutely cold and flat and then gives a micro-sneer. It's gone in a split second but is most definitely there--the face of a Narc who is Not Pleased that the spotlight is off her for even a minute.

Whatever Meg's got wrong in her mental attic, it started early. Perhaps if she'd been given some other form of attention at this age--Girl's State, or something--she might have morphed in another direction as far as the attention-seeking went, but media exposure is the obvious means to have the maximum number of people looking at you.
Hikari said…
Re. this CDAN blind:

“ Let's see how the news I heard last night plays out. The Queen held a meeting with Meghan and Harry. They went to her in hopes of convincing her to allow them to live in the US part time. The Queen did far more. She stripped them both of their titles and their annual $15 million royal stipend. She also took back the keys to Frogmore Cottage. Meghan they flew to the US and Harry went to Japan for his royal obligation. It will take until about January for the legalities of the Queen's measures to be completed. So now we wait for news. I expect Harry to head back to England alone to beg Gan for his money and title back”

*********

Well, that would be awesome if true, but I have strenuous doubts that it's going to be this simple. If Elizabeth did do this, then good for her and not past time, either. Megsy needed her wings clipped a year ago after her stunt at Eugenie's wedding. The whole tableau with the Moonbump-Mountbatten Windsor Show reflected miserably on the Royal Family. Interesting that the blind makes no mention of "Archie". After all, if his 'parents' are really out of the family, this is going to affect him too. If Meg's in the U.S. and Harry's in Tokyo, who is taking care of the little mite?

If Enty has the timing right, then there's no way those just-released photos of Megsy playing with her wig at the Luminary Bakery were taken *while* Harry was in Japan and must have been staged some time earlier.

Remembrance Day is one week away. Let's see who shows up on the balcony before we decide to swallow this blind in its entirety. If Elizabeth has really and truly done this, then the Harkles will not appear. Showing up on the balcony with the Queen is for members of the family and displays favor, however tepid. Frankly the thing that puts me off about this is the bit about the Queen 'taking back the keys to Frogmore Cottage'. That's a good one.

I do enjoy the other recent blind about Meghan requiring a security escort to even set foot on Royal properties. They probably fear that she will try to flog photos or whatever she can get her hands on. That part at least, passes the smell test.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Liver Bird. A short while ago Harry Markle blog showed 10,5 million hits. Now it is over 11 million hits. The well balanced, well argued analyses spreads fast. I do not know who he or she is but the person is very intelligent, very well informed and can certainly work with available data. Labour certainly previously declared intentions of curbing the free speech and free media is their worst enemy. 64 labour women signing this letter are actually acting in perfect harmony with the intent. And this is what frightening the living lights out of me. I used to live in a totalitarian state and know how it works.
Hikari said…
@LiverBird and all,

>>>Excellent piece from Harry Markle. I really like the way he/she waits until the dust has settled on the latest Harkle story before writing about it.

Yes, Harry Markle is always in command of her material from a legal/bureaucratic standpoint. I was wondering when she was going to post again, since it had been over two weeks since the last one.

She embeds a video (no audio) of MM Chief Defender Holly Lynch speaking, with a snarky aside about how no sound is for the best since viewers will not get distracted by Lynch's "Yorkshire accent". Lynch's constituency is Halifax, recently made famous in the charming BBC show "Last Tango to Halifax." It's a beautiful rural area consisting mostly of sheep farms. Like Sarah Palin, hailing from such a rural area with a predominantly blue collar/agrarian populace has benefited Ms. Lynch, who has been serving in Parliament for 4 years, since before she was even 30 years of age. She is 33 now. The video shows an earnest bespectacled and make-up free rapid blinker who is 5 years younger than Meg (or than the age Meg admits to) but looks much younger still. Much, like 12. She looks barely old enough to even claim the position of Head Girl at Hufflepuff House.

I'm impressed by achieving such a post so young, but this just kind of underscores that Meg's banner is most likely NOT being carried by the more mature and seasoned female members of any party. This is likely the most attention the MP from Halifax has ever received, but I'd consider both her tenure and appearance far too junior for her to be taken seriously in the House of Commons, along with the other 71 signatories. Depending on how things play out with the Duchess of Deception, MP Lynch might find her promising career summarily derailed.
Mimi said…
If we are to believe what is printed then HM, for whatever reasons, doesn’t want to deal with the Meghan and Harry thing nor with the Harry vs William thing and has told Charles to handle it. Well, we have seen how he is handling it. He let Harry and Meghan continue with their royal engagements and then put them on a six week time out. And although I don’t think six week time out is going to accomplish much as far as reigning H and M in, at least it is SOMETHING! We will have to watch and see what they do during the break. It seems that it would be so easy to extend the break, and keep extending it until they disappear! Fat chance! Charles ticks me off for many reasons and we are not here to discuss him but it bothered me to read that he said words to the effect that he is upset with his sons over this feud they have. I don’t think that was fair to William as he doesn’t go about airing his and Harry’s dirty laundry out in public. Kind of gives me an idea what kind of a king he will make. Not a very good or wise one!
Beth said…
@Punkinseed, I believe they have 2 engagements to mark Remembrance Day.
Mimi said…
If H and M attend Remembrance Day function. I wonder if William, Kate and the rest of the family will be forced to play nice with H and M for the sake of being seen as the RF is being supportive of those two. Wonder if Harry will have a scowl on his face and if she will have that sneer plastered on her face.

BTW...Where’s Archie? We haven’t seen any body parts or the back of his head lately.
Miggy said…
Oh for goodness sake! She's back to posting quotes on Instagram again!!

COURAGE doesn't mean you DON'T GET AFRAID.
COURAGE means you DON'T LET FEAR STOP YOU.

- Bethany Hamilton
Beth said…
@Mimi, this should be interesting to see who is cordial and who ignores their presence. I read that they will attend the Festival of Remembrance Saturday evening at the Royal Albert Hall and Remembrance Sunday ceremonies. Also interesting is that they supposedly will join Camilla to visit the Field of Remembrance on Thursday. No Charles?
Glow W said…
She isn’t in California and no, you can’t trust the comments at CDAN. It’s just repeats of gossip people make up.
Miggy said…
@ SwampWoman

You are forgiven for snorting into your coffee.
However, I prefer my tea unadulterated, so simply sniggered instead. :)
Fairy Crocodile said…
Have you seen the reply from the Luminary bakery to a woman who complained about low hygiene standards? You can find it on Skippy blog. It reads "None of the cakes in photo-shoot with the Duchess were for sale, all were being made by graduates from our training programmes for disadvantaged women for their friends and family". Goodness blooming gracious, it is OK then to handle cakes for family and friends with dirty hands and without hair nets? Is this how they train the disadvantaged women? I am lost for words.
Miggy said…
Bethany Hamilton was attacked by a shark.

Does Meg feel threatened?

Or am I reading too much into the quote she posted?
Glow W said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7648423/Camilla-make-official-solo-appearance-alongside-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle.html
@Fairy, ‘A short while ago Harry Markle blog showed 10,5 million hits. Now it is over 11 million hits. The well balanced, well argued analyses spreads fast. I do not know who he or she is but the person is very intelligent, very well informed and can certainly work with available data. Labour certainly previously declared intentions of curbing the free speech and free media is their worst enemy. 64 labour women signing this letter are actually acting in perfect harmony with the intent. And this is what frightening the living lights out of me. I used to live in a totalitarian state and know how it works.’

I added a link either on this post or the last (I’ve reposted it below), where Stephen Glover, said the exact same thing about the MP’s and curbing free speech. Agree, terrifying! They and Meghan are using each other for their own means. Meghan has no qualms about using a situation or person for her own hideous gain, as we know.

https://mol.im/a/7632649
Mimi said…
Again, if we are to believe what is printed,Charles MADE William and Kate invite H and M over to their place during Christmas, or on Christmas Eve, Day, not sure exactly when, but during the visit supposedly Meg was rude to one of Kate’s staff, Kate tried to tell her that it was Kate’s staff and NOT Meghan’s ....something like that...Meghan didn’t like Kate’s attitude toward her over that and went crying to Harry that Kate had told her off so then everybody got all upset and then Kate was crying, and then the baby started crying and then Harry probably defended his wife, then William probably defended HIS wife and then the brothers practically got into fisticuffs while Meghan probably just sat back and watched with glee at the complete falling out between brothers.

The point I am trying to make is that it appears that William and Kate have been ordered on several occasions to play nice and appear to support Her and Him. (Wimbelton....Meg, Kate and Pippa?, last Christmas walk to church) there is more but I can’t remember. Will they be made AGAIN, to appear in public with them and smile and pretend everything is hunky-dory and they are all just one great big happy family? Will we see any scarfing? Princess Anne type moves? A free for all on the balcony? Camilla throwing Meghan over the balcony? I admit...I am warped....I want to see DRAMA!!!
Mimi said…
So it is o.k. to put your nasty cooties on the food because it is only going to disadvantaged women anyway?
Anonymous said…
When I used to work at a candy store, I never wanted to ingest or smell another piece of chocolate again. You all overestimate who is eating a cake. For all you know, no one eats the cake when done. However, yes it is gross
Anonymous said…
It make have also been a fake cake and they were practicing icing it. The new thing in wedding is having a fake cake on display but serving the real cake on plates.
Ozmanda said…
Side note - I saw this on CDAN comments - unsure how true it is - has anyone seen anything else mentioned?

"Let's see how the news I heard last night plays out. The Queen held a meeting with Meghan and Harry. They went to her in hopes of convincing her to allow them to live in the US part time. The Queen did far more. She stripped them both of their titles and their annual $15 million royal stipend. She also took back the keys to Frogmore Cottage. Meghan they flew to the US and Harry went to Japan for his royal obligation. It will take until about January for the legalities of the Queen's measures to be completed. So now we wait for news. I expect Harry to head back to England alone to beg Gan for his money and title back "


Should be pretty easy to see how true this may be with events over the next couple of months.
lizzie said…
It could have been a fake cake but I don't believe that's what the bakery said. I believe the statement said the cakes were for "disadvantaged friends and relatives." I guess maybe for weddings... But even so, fake cakes especially for events like weddings, shouldn't have strands of hair stuck in the icing or in the decorations either, at least not if anyone is going to be allowed to get close enough to the cake to see the hairs.
Louise said…
I see that Smarkle and Harry will be accompanying Camilla to the Field of Remembrance.

I guess that rumours of estrangement from the RF are not true as they still seem to have the support of at least Charles and Camilla.

I am now sick of the lot of them.
Mimi said…
Thanks Lizzie! 🤗
Mimi said…
Louise, isn’t it all so nauseating? I have sworn off them and this blog numerous times but for some reason I keep coming back.... ugh, 😩
Anonymous said…
Did the cake seriously have hair on it? For real?
punkinseed said…
Beth, thanks. Looks like Camilla drew the short straw or it's her turn to play nice with the Sussucks.
Madge said…
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this. There is an extensive new article on the Harry Markle blog.

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2019/11/04/mm-and-the-72-mps/
Hikari said…
I have just started "99 Glimpses of Princess Margaret" by Craig Brown. On page 11, there is this nugget about the Queen which really says so much about her life-long inclination to say little and appear to 'do' less.

"Throughout her life, the Queen's technique of giving nothing away has paid dividends. Nowadays, everyone seems content to interpret her silence as wisdom. The less she says, the more we believe she has something to say. . . .her advisors and prime ministers may prattle away, but Buddha-like, it is Her Majesty with her How long have you been heres? and Have you come fars? who remains the still, small voice of calm, radiating common sense."

I don't know how many of you here have seen Vanessa Kirby's charmingly coltish and only occasionally bitchy portrayal of the young Margaret in "The Crown", but that 'Margo' (the Queen's nickname for her sister) is considerably toned down. The real Margaret could be a right royal horror. Relished it, in fact. Deprived of any real role in life than being a stylish appendage to the family, she cultivated to a high art form the complete contempt for those she deemed beneath herself, which was everyone in her eyes, except for her parents and her sister. For other mere mortals she tossed any notion that she had to be polite or kind or reasonable or sober or on time right out the window.

What's so galling about Meg is that she's behaving like she were a princess to the manner, and bloodline born and not an opportunist who married in. Margaret routinely shocked people with her behavior but it was accepted, and came to be expected out of her, because she was Royal. People who knew her, who entertained her, would compete with each other to see who could be the recipient of the most outrageous PM episode/remark. It became like a party game. People put up with it because of the fondness and affection they had for other members of the family. But not even Margaret was so blatantly, publicly disrespectful of the Queen as Meg has been, even if she and her sister had a lifelong rivalry in private over who was Daddy's favorite and who was the better natural Queen.

As misdirected and rude as Haz has been over the last months in concert with his wife, it's Meg that most emulates Great-Aunt Margaret's worst qualities. How brazen she is.

Life is not easy for a spare to the Crown, but it's a still a helluva lot easier than the normal pleb's life like yours and mine.

The role of Margaret will be taken over by Helena Bonham Carter for Seasons 3 & 4 of The Crown. I expect some really royally b*tchy shenanigans from the middle-aged Margo to come.
Glow W said…
Why delete it when it’s true?
Pantsface said…
I often wonder why TP twitter posts are revered? I am new to this, and I always find them interesting, but undecided whether fact or fiction, is he/she someone in the know or just a troll? Time will tell i guess
Glow W said…
TP is 100% a troll. Not one thing has been right, MOO
Pantsface said…
TbH I have been waiting for the BOOM for a long time, I need to get a life :)
Glow W said…
😂😂😂 Right. I believe TP’s boom happened in March when she said doria and Mm were arrested and in the Tower.
Pantsface said…
@tatty, I missed that one, could have saved myself if I'd only have seen it, the tower ffs lol
CatEyes said…
@Hikari "Is it even legal to do purely cosmetic surgery, even with parental consent"? (Hope quote is correct)

Yes, it is legal in America and is not unusual for girls to have plastic surgery. I went to college in 70's and a certain ethnic persuasion (I don't think I should name) known for being more affluent thought it was a nice present to get their daughters 'nose jobs'. What I find outrageous is that some parents will further their daughter's ambitions in the Beauty Pagent field by resorting to cosmetic surgery.

Has anyone commented yet that the Harkles 6 week visit could instead of being a time-out, could be to allow Harry to work with Oprah on that Mental Health series that has been planned
Glow W said…
@unknown too bad I didn’t know. Lol. I could have saved you a lot of time.
Mimi said…
So the gruesome twosome got there way. They cried and whined, disrespected the Queen, the future King, the brother, the entire monarchy, the British people, the British press and now they get coddled and cosseted. Un - - - - ing believable!
CatEyes said…
Just read on Skippy's blog that Meghan didn't turn 10 until August 1991, but the Gulf War ended months earlier on February 28, 1991. All in all the Gulf War only lasted from Aug. 2, 1990 - Feb. 28, 1991

However, would Meg be caught in a lie about this, or was she telling the truth and she is a year older than she is admitting?
lizzie said…
The August 1990 date was used as the start of the war because that's when Iraq invaded Kuwait. US forces weren't deployed until January 1991 although I'm sure forces were mobilized before that.

Yeah, she's probably lying about her age. Isn't the first time dates haven't meshed.
CatEyes said…
My prior comment I would like to put in context (since maybe it wasn't on this page), Meghan claims she attended a protest (a picture with her holding a protest sign exists) against the Gulf War when she was age 10. That couldn't happen per my comment above.
Hikari said…
@Mimi,

The Queen's lack of a formal education was covered in an early episode of The Crown. Soon after her ascension, Elizabeth engaged a tutor to help her in the field of 'general knowledge' as she found herself at sea when trying to speak to foreign dignitaries & her own ministers, erudite men all. Elizabeth and Margaret had been educated according to the standards of the day for genteel young ladies. As the Queen Mum memorably puts it, "Nobody wants a bluestocking for a Queen!" Elizabeth and Margaret had private governesses at home and learned French, music, poetry and needlework. Even before the Abdication, Elizabeth was heiress presumptive from her birth because it seemed very unlikely that Edward was going to sire any children and was perhaps incapable of it. So it does seem a wonderment that her parents did not deem any more rigorous academics were required. The top schools didn't admit girls in those days so Elizabeth's schooling was very in keeping for aristocratic young ladies. She was sent to Eton College once a week with a chaperone to take private tutorials with the Dean on the Constitution. Charles would be the first British Royal to obtain a university degree, so ER was in good company.
CatEyes said…
I get so sick about what she so-call believes in and yet does not really follow thru on and try to even begin to do what she professes. Like being an empowered feminist woman but always depending on men (3 husbands and a 'live-in') and vegan (brags about her roast chicken, leather purses and lambskin skirts) etc... I will gingerly add that her identifying as a WOC doesn't seem to fly with the ladies at Lipstick Alley. since she's never been known to date black men among other reasons I won't enumerate here in consideration that Nutty prefers we don't talk about racism.
lizzie said…
Here is a link about the war protest (and "Meghan for President") Gag-inducing. But yeah, she wasn't 10 when her "classmate's brother" would have been headed to Iraq in the first Gulf war.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1199723/meghan-markle-news-meghan-markle-video-latest-royal-family-documentary-royal-news
Glow W said…
We were bombing in the area on the night of my high school graduation which was May 1987.
Glow W said…
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/iran-and-us-navy-seals-are-ready-battle-persian-gulf-82021
CatEyes said…
@tatty The Enclycopedia Brittanica states August !990 not 1987.
Mimi said…
Hikari, I read everything you said but didn’t want to dwell on the queen and her sister’s lack of education here. Wouldn’t know how to word it so as not to offend those on here that love their monarch. I have not seen the t.v. series The Crown because as you pointed out, it isn’t entirely accurate. I could say more but what for. Thanks Hikari, you are braver than I am.
Mimi said…
p.s. I met Me. Mimi through a note I sent to “any service person” and it landed in his hands while he was stationed in Bahrain during the Gulf War. We have been together ever since. ☺️
CatEyes said…
Mimi- You took the words out of my mouth regarding being cautious about saying anything about the Queen's education. I will say it was a shame they didn't send her to America because we had women's colleges here in the 1800's. I suspect the Queen's parents may have been protective of her so not wanting her to attend college, but my goodness they could have had the best professors coming to tutor her. However, she is an extremely astute woman it seems. I feel very sorry for her as to what is happening with Meghan's behavior and the rancor it is causing.
lizzie said…
@Tatty, here have been skirmishes and conflicts in the Middle East at many points over the years. But the "1st Gulf War" did not begin in 1987. It began after Iraq invaded Kuwait in Aug 1990.
CatEyes said…
Mimi- What a wonderful love story! I remember when that was being done.
Mimi said…
Oh Cat Eyes, do you remember Ann Landers asking her readers to send a note to a service person? It seems like a lifetime ago. Mr. Mimi flew half way around the world, as a surprise, to meet me where I worked. It was pouring rain that day and I looked like a drowned rat and I was wearing my “ Elvis Presley” pants. I couldn’t have looked worse! it is kind of a fairy tale story but not without it’s many serious obstacles in the beginning.. Every anniversary I pull out some of our old letters and make him read them or listen to me read them. ☺️
Mimi said…
I am sure he rue’s the day he ever answered my note!!!!!! 😂
CatEyes said…
Mimi- Yes I do remember Ann Landers asking us to send a card or letter. I thought I sent one but I know I never got one back (I didn't expect a reply tho). Oh how absolutely so romantic that he did that (I bet you looked like a Dream Girl to him in those Elvis pants). You sound like a very nice woman and I am sure he feels like a lucky man.
Mimi said…
Cat Eyes, how sweet of you. Eventually I sent him a picture of me but I did not realize that standing next to me in that picture was my sister-in-law, who is QUITE HEFTY, if you get my drift. I forgot to tell him I was the thin, cute one (just kidding). He never knew which one he was writing to until six months later when I was called out of my office to come to the front office where he was waiting. There he stood, 6 ft. tall, wearing his dress blues, holding a gold box of long stemmed red roses, looking every the knight in shining amour.!!!!! And there I was, the drowned rat with the baggy, bell bottom pants!!!!! He told me that he didn’t care which one was me in the picture because it was my heart he had fallen in love with. Oh L’ amour! 😂
Mimi said…
looking every i ch...... arg!
CatEyes said…
Oh wow....that is truly a Love Story! I think it qualifies for the storyline of a Hallmark Movie for sure. Oh and a man in his military dress blues...I bet you swooned! Do you have children?
CatEyes said…
You don't have to answer the question about kids...but if you do they sure have a wonderful view of love based on your two's story..
Mimi said…
Cat Eyes, Now that I think of it, it really would have made a nice movie on the Hallmark channel because there is so much more to it yet it ended up being a happily ever after. No, we did not have children of our own. p.s. I just froze when I walked into front office and saw him standing there. Somebody had to nudge me because it was getting awkward just having him stand there.
CatEyes said…
The other day I reported that Californa is in a bad economic state (and would not welcome funding security expenses for M/H visit). I just read that California is 151.3 BILLION dollars in debt (more than the country of Finland by comparison). So I feel Calif. legislators and certainly, local government officials will not be happy to pay for this extremely wealthy duo (who can well afford their own expenses).
So.much is being speculated about the blind items but I don't think they are true. I don't think Mm would be in US right now because she has been banished or whatever. I dont think they had a showdown with the queen and she asked them.to return the keys to Frogmore. I do think more us being made out if the 6wk break than it is. It's more likely that they wanted to spend Thanksgiving with dors and cancelled a fee of their own engagements here in the UK because they have some work.planned in the US (the Ellen show would be by bet). They kicked up a storm wanting to cancel royal engagements and BRF said 'fine watevs, just go. And know that nothing will be planned for you henceforth.'

I also believe that some of the more important transitional appearances,the remembrance day, are planned months in advance and are compulsory for working royals as a long held family tradition, so it would be quite something be beg out of it just because you don't like a certain member. It would be expected that everyone is on their best behaviour. They wouldn't be supporting or playing nice or making any statement because the event is for the nation, for a very just cause. There might be sideyeys, stuff upper lips and treating MM like she is transparent but if not that would mean a particular member is supporting them.

The way things are going shaping up it would be hard for the members to ignore it. Charles, wills and Kate have been dragged into it and expected to make a public enough spectacle so as to assure the masses that they don't like MM either. But that would be nearly impossible ( the dramatic bitchslaping that we would like them.to do). As much as I too would like to see some concrete action from them.i don't see what they could do. It is after all a wierd situation to be in where MM is weaponinsing the media, social media and the public against PC, W and K specifically just to be more popular. I'm sure she doesn't have much to occupy her time with than this silly popularity contest but they have actual work and family commitments they prioritize.
DesignDoctor said…
@Mimi I love your romantic story. I am sure you are both blessed to have found one another.
I have been lurking for a long while. Love the intelligent, witty commentary and analysis here.
As an American I am appalled at MM's behavior. She needs to be booted out of the RF for her gritting, decidedly unroyal behavior !
Mimi said…
Hey DesignDoctor. Welcome. I didn’t mean to get carried away with my story. Some people on here don’t like it when we go off topic and get personal. Look forward to hearing more from you.
Sandie said…
Although the Sussexes have their offices in Buckingham Palace (funded by the Sovereign Grant, as are their staff I presume), they have always acted independently. So, that there are no engagements scheduled for them may mean that they are actually taking a long break (presumably to work on projects in the USA) but it could also mean that they do not co-operate with the BP staff and do appearances on their own terms and to further their personal interests.
Meghan's page on the BP website is the only one that does not include a section on 'supporting the Queen'. This is strange.
@Sandie , I agree with you. It does seem like the Sussexes are picking and choosing causes and engagements that further thier brand (which is woke millennials, I guess??)
Harry still has some legit patronages in his role as a veteran so I guess believe he cannot bail on those, and let's be honest, he needs to do those engagements because his entire goodwill and cheeky monkey imgae is based on that. (The only reason the girls ever found him hot or desirable is because they saw him wearing a uniform running off towards the helicopter leaving his interview Midway. That's where his desirability stemmed from)

Meghan, in the other hand, was mostly trying her hand at doing the total patronage and the BRF seemed to be testing waters with what patrinaito give her (which is fair enough in my opinion). They seemed to want to build in to her existing brand of actress, humanitarian, globe trotter, super intelligent girl next door (it's another matter that they didn't actually investigate this version further and just took her word for it). They gave her national theatre, which was a dud idea. Nevermind let's try Commonwealth youth events and that she absolutely relished, it hit it's Mark and she ran wild with it claiming it was her brain hild all.aling (forgetting g, or rather ignoring, that she was there in her capacity as a representative of the BRF carrying forward the work that's being done for so.many years before her arrival).

Now, MM picks and chooses the work that suits her brand. It doesn't hurt that sunshine sacks is there to build her up and present her as the wokest version of Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr and a ton of supermodels combined.

Their offices might be based at BP but they still have choose and picked the staff they want. They have in all likelihood put a person in charge who does their bidding regardless of techinally being an employee of the queen/crown. This show is in shambles. Mm has some really bad luck to be so desperate to be liked and to still not be able to achieve that.
Sandie said…
Can I just say that I think the Queen regards Meghan as part of the BRF, so no matter what Meghan does or says, no matter how unpopular she becomes, she will be forced on the public and will continue to be supported by the Sovereign Grant and profits from the Duchy of Cornwall.

(I do think it is odd that on the official website, she is the only working member of the BRF who is not listed as supporting the Queen. Even Prince Phillip, who has retired, is described as supporting the Queen.)

The only way Meghan will lose support and funding from the BRF is if she leaves and divorces Harry. Unfortunately, her unpopularity and the effect this may have on her ability to swan around the world as the most famous person ever and build huge wealth for herself will stop her from doing so.

She has been increasingly pursued her own interests, without Harry, and they are clearly not about supporting the Queen or the UK.

Prince Andrew should have stepped out of the public eye and away from royal duties. That he hasn't shows just how misguided and weak the Queen is. It kind of makes me admire the others in the BRF more for the work they do.
Nelo said…
Where is emerald city
hunter said…
I think Emerald City is Seattle? Not sure.
DesignDoctor said…
@huntet Seattle is called the Emerald City because it is filled with greenery year round. It is beautiful!
DesignDoctor said…
@Ailice, Surrey James I don't think MM has "bad luck" to be so desperate to be liked and not being able to achieve it---- she has created her own "bad luck" with her ridiculous, rebellious behavior. She has not made any effort to fit into British society. I don't believe for a minute that she tried the stiff upper lip POV. She is so narcissistic that she does not think the normal rules and societal conventions apply to her. Who squanders the opportunities she has as a member of the BRF, defies HM, and tramples over protocol? By flaunting her difference and not even making the slightest effort to assimilate into and embrace the British way of life, what other option is there than not to be liked? She is like a toddler refusing to do what is expected for the pure defiance of it? Not exactly a way to make friends and influence people especially when the people are funding your luxurious lifestyle!
Design Doctor, I agree MMs desperation to be liked and to be the most famous is mind boggling. And as much as she is trying to brand herself as this amazing multitalented goddess, her PR (maybe due to her own deaparate not) strategies seem to be failing and doing her much good. It amazes me, the amount of time, money, manpower she spends every week to get people to believe in her greatness. Yet, she is so inconsisyand so contrary to what she wants to make us believe.

She is going around blaming everyone else for the misery she obviously is in - her family, Harry's family, her old friends who did not stick up.for her, new friend day who should stick up for her, her staff, her husband,her baby, her nanny, the royal foundation, the public, her race, her country, her adopted country etc etc etc. Yet at the end of the day she sucks big time because she is self centered megalomaniac.

If she could just sit tight, listen to the advisors, do the conventional stuff she could actually achieve everything she wants.
Miggy said…
@Hunter

I believe Emerald City is a poster who comments on this blog.

(unless I misunderstood Nelo's post?)
SwampWoman said…
I am very much looking forward to Emerald City's post as well.
Nelo said…
I miss emerald City, the poster that has contacts in KP. She usually gives us some insights into issues
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Sandie I am with on your assessment of the Queen. She still has enormous respect. But she is 93 and her control over her family is not what it is used to be. I doubt she can manage Harry and least of all his wife. I have met prince Andrew and my opinion is he has always been a pompous and spoilt egoist. Yet he is the Queen's favorite son. Monarchy will probably survive being markled, but it may be entering the era of decline. A lot depends on William and Kate.
CatEyes said…
About the Queen seemingly not doing anything about Meghan: I think it is not a small reason is because of her age. As one who is advanced in years, I can say you tend to 'not sweat the small stuff'' as you age. Meghan in the scheme of things is small. She is small in power, small-minded, small in influence really, small in terms of being constitutionally important. The Queen sees the handwriting on the wall (and I dare say she knows way more than we as to whats going on behind the scene) and probably thinks Meghan will be gone relatively soon (to live in US unsupported or a divorce). So the Queen is sitting back regally and waiting for the inevitable. Isn't 'ignoring' the best tactic to use against a bully (and indeed Meghan is a bully).
SwampWoman said…
I'm one who thinks that the Queen has much bigger things to worry about than a minor pain in the butt like MM. Besides, it's PC's problem. He gets to worry about all of the things that worry the Queen, such as the economy and Brexit, along with the more personal concerns about the well-being of the people in his Duchy. His main concern with his sons, I believe, would be that PW is ready to take the throne if, God forbid, PC were to die suddenly, as well as the Duchy for when the Queen passes. I would think that PH would also be instructed so that he would be ready to be the regent if PW were to also die before PG became of age.

But, I'm just an American so my opinion is probably incorrect.
Liver Bird said…
@CatEyes

I agree. Harry and Meghan make a lot of noise but are ultimately irrelevant. The queen, who has weathered all sorts of crises, knows this very well. Like the rest of us, she is probably waiting for the inevitable divorce which will be messy but won't pose a threat to the monarchy. And that at the end of the day is all she cares about.

Also, for those who are saying she should be 'doing something', what precisely can she do? Meghan is a member of the royal family and will continue to do so long as she remains Harry's wife, though that may not be for very long. She is also a 'working' royal which means she is supposed to attend events on behalf of the crown. However, as we've seen, she hasn't done too many of them lately, so perhaps cutting back on this is the only way the queen can 'do' something? Problem is, Meghan probably wouldn't mind as this means fewer boring trips to old folks' homes and more unofficial engagements which she can tailor to her own PR requirements.

There's also the fact that Meghan has made a succession of serious missteps recently, all of which reflect badly on her but not on the royals. By contrast, William and Kate are looking ever more regal. And at the end of the day, that's what counts. Not the Harkles and their infantile shenanigans.
SwampWoman said…
I also think that the Queen has weathered so many crucial events such as the very real possibility of England being defeated by German forces in WWII that a gold digger pales by comparison. I'm not sure that anything could even remotely compare to that, except maybe finding later that her uncle was actively conspiring with the nazis to take the throne. While it doesn't go into it in The Crown, Nazis and her uncle would have had to eliminate the opposition to his reign permanently, and that would mean getting rid of the reigning royal family.

Then there was the invasion of England by brash young American GIs before their deployment and, for many, death in the European theater of operations. Russia seizing East Germany and erecting the Berlin wall, the cold war, and so many of the former colonies gaining their independence under her reign and the formation of the EU. She's like a living history book with first-hand knowledge of the ways and means and the behind the scenes strategies which we will never know. Fascinating.

I don't think that England ever recovered from WWII.
punkinseed said…
Liver Bird, I agree. What can the queen do about PH and Megs? Not much really, other than ignore it all, and "say nothing until you know more" mind set. The queen only cares about how or if it's a threat to the monarchy, as you said. What's making people so upset is that Meg's and Harry are in fact being a threat to the monarchy when they blow millions of taxpayer money on frivolous spending. I feel for the UK people, because it's one thing to have their royals flaunt their tax money on expensive lifestyle, but quite, quite another to have a disrespectful, in your face, mocking American do it. Very shameful behavior. Slowly, step by step, inch by inch, her misrepresentations are being exposed. What's most unfortunate is how expensive it is.
Imagine if Harry had married someone who didn't behave as Megs in her long list of chaos. If one did an accounting of Meg's every expense and subtracted it from what an honest, caring wife who had the nation first like the queen had spent instead, we would see quite a shocking contrast.
The most infuriating thing about Meg's "missteps" is that she does all of those things deliberately. Why? Because it feeds her bottomless need for attention. She has seen that if she follows protocol that it doesn't fulfill her attention seeking narcissism. She delights in the press and her detractors boiling over when she creates bombshell after bombshell of chaos and outrage. She wallows in the glory of so much attention and then gasp, the bonus is she gets even more attention from her supporters who are there to comfort her from those big bad blue meanies on social media. When she's not getting the outrage or is being ignored, she creates a false flag (the 5 friend letter).
And, those boring old stale official engagements don't produce enough cash or praise compared to say, Lion King or the bakery appearance. Plus, she can't completely control the royal engagements as much as one of her "surprise" appearances. She gets far more enjoyment from her Sunshine Sachs, SoHo House promotional engagements.
DesignDoctor said…
@punkinseed I agree. HM cannot do anything about the Harkles except limit their royal duties and ignore it all. The unfortunate part of that strategy though, is that gives MM more free time to create her own "surprise" events with her photographer in tow. Her behavior during her surprise events is juvenile to say the least, the clapping and dancing around the room. She reminds me of a co-worker who, although in her mid-thirties, still acts like a middle school student and is very insecure.
The best solution would be for the press to stop covering her. A MM press blackout would be ideal. Like depriving a fire with oxygen, maybe a press blackout would send her into the black hole of oblivion.
CatEyes said…
I wonder what would happen if the Royal family and others would treat Meghan as if she is some deeply afflicted human being, say put the narrative out that she is on bed rest or seeking care and not schedule engagements (and not let her gate crash Harry's events). Then have PR put out that she is not up to doing her duties, maybe even say specially trained nannies are taking over Archie's care. And make sure others like (Oprah and Ellen) are informed it would be stressful if she were to attend public engagements. Like 'Tut tut, poor dear she isn't herself lately' and kill her with kindness but more importantly paint her as a disturbed individual needing (unsaid) help! Bet Meghan would quit bitching then.
DesignDoctor said…
@CatEyes

She IS a deeply afflicted human being who does need help and who is adversely affecting their beloved Harry.

Not to mention Archie. I would love to know the truth about the poor little babe. No way do I believe he is in MM's care.

I love the "killing with kindness" strategy.
punkinseed said…
That would be a great strategy CatEyes! Ha! Gaslight the gaslighter.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@CatEyes and punkinseed Very good! Let's start with "Are you OK Meghan?" at every turn. Then lets tut and shake our heads and confirm "we do not make it easy". Then lets repeat every five minutes "It is fine to be vulnerable, poor creature". And finally, lets pat her hand and say "you don't have to follow the stiff upper lip practice, it can be damaging inside". And let's finish it all with "empowering women is such a difficult job for vulnerable people, it can cause unimaginable suffering, are you OK?".
CatEyes said…
I tell ya'll, if someone did that to me I would get the message real quick and straighten up! I bet she would not want to continue to portray herself like that. But seeing how she is, she would think of something else equally insufferable.
CatEyes said…
Yeah, wouldn't it be a laugh on Remembrance Day if Camilla would lean in give a big prolonged hug and pat her hand and very distinctly say the words "Are you OK?" (while lip readers in the audience figure it out and it's reported in the media later). Then have a chair and have Meghan sit with Camilla's hand on her shoulder, subtly holding her down; Meghan would look so weak and unempowered. I think a wee bit of humiliation would be good for Meg's enormous ego.
Jdubya said…
oh my gosh - have you seen this

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/11/meghan-markle-for-president-documentary

and then there's this on CDAN

Blind Item #8
Unlike the first one, the royal couple is going to be paid for the second documentary. The numbers are $3-5M each.
POSTED BY ENT LAWYER AT 8:45 AM

Jdubya said…
https://blindgossip.com/jerkiness-and-your-first-priority/#more-99453

and this one on Blind gossip
CatEyes said…
@Jdubya

Thanks for the CDAN info. I personally think any documentary at this point will be a 'big snooze'. I won't watch it. I do hope the IRS watches Meg's income closely and taxes her accordingly. In addition, if their Foundation gets the money as income to them both, they could also be subject to UK taxes.
SwampWoman said…
I'm wondering what kind of a moron would offer 3 to 6 million EACH for a guaranteed ratings disaster.
CatEyes said…
What rankles me is that I have yet to hear that these two cheapskates ever doing something for charity other than once or twice telling other people to donate. I've not seen them fund scholarships, buy food or clothing for the poor, etc...Also for all the times, Meg's people have said she is religious, I think she has only been photographed going to Church once, just once, last Christmas (which I surmise was her doing it for a photo op). Afterall she was baptized in the Church of England. and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Church attendance was encouraged.
NeutralObserver said…
@Mimi, I love the story of how you met your husband. A real life true romance.

@Jdubya, Wow, Vanity Fair really does seem brain dead these days. Is this strictly online click-bait, or will this be in the print mag as well? Conde-Nast is dying right before our eyes. The Newhouse heirs don't seem to know how to run a media empire in the century of the world-wide-web. No passion for the business. It's like the New York Yankees after George Steinbrenner died. They haven't won a World Series in a decade. I frankly can't imagine that Megs sells many ad pages or subscriptions. They're just digging their own grave. Vogue & Vanity fair are supposed to tell us plebes what the latest thing is, not timidly guess what we want to read, & then try to pander to us. It'll be interesting to see if any publishing behemoths can rise up in the new atmosphere, or if fashion, lifestyle, pop culture & gossip outlets will become more and more fragmented.

Love all the well informed posts here. @Hikari, I truly enjoy your posts. You really have made a study of the RF, & you're American!

Haven't posted or even read here for a time, because I've given up on the RF committing to any actions concerning the Harkle debacle. I think those of us who don't care for Megs just have to accept that she'll figure out a way to survive & thrive. Lots of unpalatable people do. I think the RF is probably dying to ditch her, they just don't know exactly how yet. I'm on the fence about Harry, but am always amazed at what being away from the ball & chain does for his demeanor & grooming. He's like a different man!
Mimi said…
Neutral Observer, Thank you. After being married to a male version of Meghan, God blessed me with this wonderful man.
punkinseed said…
CatEyes, Haaa haaa! Love it!
Another tactic would be to repeat her idiotic sayings back to her, something like this: When she says, "You are enough," repeat back to her, "You are enough?" Fire every one of her patronizing sayings back to her as a question.
What really gets to pathological liars, too, is to tell them after every single thing they say: "I don't believe you." Every time she opens her mouth, reply with that.
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Wow another documentary! Really?! Hasn't the earlier one proven to be a bit of a dud idea by now?! Boy, those guys are sunshine sacks are sure relentless, they seem to have taken it to heart to receive the Sussexes' public image. That being said, it could be the OW+Apple TV one. OW has a multi million dollar contract with Apple TV (allegedly) and they have tied up with the as-of-yet-non-existent sRfoundation most likely the contract involves some form finacial benefit to the Sussexes (most likely a donation to the foundation).

They could also be doing a behind the scenes pre-launch documentary, with a camera crew following them around USA for 6wks. And since they're officially on a break from BRF duties this wouldn't be a conflict of interest somehow (??! IDK there would some.spin on it obviously). Lots of superstar singers and celebrities do it, they make a behind the scenes documentary during their latest tour/campaign. Beyonce, AOC, Jonas brothers, Kylie's Jenner's baby daddy, the chick from the Disney channel who repalsed, the one who sang let it go...

MM and Harry seem to be hell bent on telling us that behind the scenes it's very tough, we don't understand, it's very difficult, they are always busy working blah blah. So, i wouldn't be surprised if they plan on cashing in their behind the scenes intrigue by doing a reality TV type documentary to launch their foundation. And no better time than the holiday time to show that they are living the big American dream come true - woke entitled liberals who just want to do some good in the world and be applauded for it.

Now ladies, this is not a diss at Americans, but I'm pointing out how they want to sell their brand in America. They have constantly been telling us that the British hate her because she is a black, American, intelligent, independent woman. So they have no choice but to go to.america where they are liked and respected and will be amongst their own people. So I guessing they will show a lot of hugs and family time. Lot of family dinners, sharing lots of chicken and salad with ling lost relatives who will welcome their own little heart Meghan, Hars and Arch into their fold. Baking cookies for homeless shelters in December, Mm backstage just before she is about to step on to the stage at Ellen's, a surprise visit to JM a her new show, Mm will talk and tal and talk and bore us to death with her normal-but-better-than-you-ness.
Jen said…
New Harry Markle....hits the nail on the very head. I think CatEyes mentioned this above, but I cannot for the life of me find any information on what MM has actually DONE for a charity since becoming Duchess...other than make speeches about herself, that is.

How can anyone claim she's a humanitarian when she's done NOTHING to receive those accolades. It truly boggles my mind how truly blind people are. Some days I really do think I'm in the twilight zone.
lizzie said…
@Jen, It seems to me throughout her life MM's celebrated "humanitarian" efforts have all consisted of telling others what to do and/or think-- the endlessly- described dish soap ad protest, the recently unearthed protest against the 1st Gulf War, (the one that doesn't match up with the war's date and M's reported age), the menstrual hygiene initiative column (she wrote "We need to rise above our puritanical bashfulness when it comes to talking about menstruation”), the speeches she's given as DoS...no real actions on her own and certainly no sacrifice on her part but simply pontificating on what everybody else should do and think.
Jen said…
@Lizzie, menstrual hygiene column? OMG, I haven't heard about that one! That's hilarious! Honestly, I don't talk about menstruation in mixed company because men typically don't want to hear about it. Women DO talk about it all the time, and are not "puritanical" or "bashful" about it. Geezus...she is one of those people that creates a crisis where none existed.
lizzie said…
@Jen, Here is some info about the menstrual hygiene initiative. M. Obama spoke about it first (of course, MM isn't especially original) It is a serious issue some places but still, she just preaches IMO. Somehow I expect "humanitarians" to do things, make sacrifices, donate money...
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/meghan-markle-voice-issue-menstrual-hygiene-care-55409921
Jen said…
@Lizzie, it's interesting but I have not heard her speak of this since she married. Everything was done prior to her marriage. If this was a big issue for her, why hasn't she talked about it since?

Oh that's right, it's NOT a big enough issue. Menstrual health is so 2017....
lizzie said…
@Jen, Quite true!
KnitWit said…
I hope Dove sent the Harkles free soap and deodorant, they can use it! Otherwise, I think they should stay out of politics.

I was thinking about her wish to be Di 2. Di didn't " hit the ground running". I wasn't paying much attention to the royals at that time, but she was always in the press looking beautiful at royal functions. She seemed to take time to talk to people seeming genuinely concerned. Her activism began later in the marriage.

Meg should have followed Michelle Obama's advice, and learned her job before rocking the boat.
Miggy said…
Thanks @Jen for the New HarryMarkle - as usual, it's excellent!

Re: The Roundtable Discussion On Gender Equality With QCT at Windsor.

The only thing I want to point out is that Harry sometimes, (and far too often for my liking) is the one who guides people to greet Meghan first and that's exactly what he did on this occasion.

You can see it in this unedited video quite clearly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfIO8ft5qE

Yes, he's being chivalrous towards his wife, but he's the Royal, and he needs to remember the rules of etiquette that were instilled in him since childhood.

It really makes my blood boil!!
Fairy Crocodile said…
I didn't realize Markle actually interrupted the CEO's speech to jump in and speak herself. This is a behavior I would expect from an insecure but overindulged teenager, eager to be noticed and approved. Not from a 38 year old woman who supposedly is no stranger to public speaking protocol. She appears to have serious mental issues, as some foreign articles seem to confirm. If I am not mistaken, there is an article in German somewhere which suggests her mental state is far from stable. This would explain a lot in her behavior. I have met people with mental disorders who can function all right in secure and controlled environments but completely fall apart and lash at others if put under the spotlight and held accountable for their actions. I predict MM's and Harry's mental state will continue deteriorating if they stay in high visibility positions.
Jen said…
@Fairy Crocodile (Love the name by the way)...I too didn't realize she interrupted the CEO. Interesting how NONE of that was ever mentioned, just that she dogged Harry by insulting his work with the group previously.

@Miggy The only thing I want to point out is that Harry sometimes, (and far too often for my liking) is the one who guides people to greet Meghan first and that's exactly what he did on this occasion.

I don't think Harry has ever been in a position where he is part of a couple, but he is the ranking royal. I honestly think it's two-fold...he has no clue what is the right thing to do because he never paid close attention, and I would not put it past her to have demanded that he do this. Anything is possible.
KCM1212 said…
I'm picturing HM face while she is sitting in bed, sipping her tea, reading the menstrual column.

Meghan is, quite simply, Hollywood. Quick to jump on the cause du jour, fanatically liberal politics, sure that every word she utters is the one that will change the world.

All optics, no actual effort.

In retrospect, this almost had to happen. Apparently, even a year in that environment is enough to cause even the most level head to swell. Perhaps the Toronto base was enough to fool Harry. Although it does not appear that he was trying very hard to "vet" her. Quite the opposite. He seems to have swallowed every exaggeration, every lie, with remarkable ease.

The foundation is the thing that bothers me the most. I don't know who will contribute to it. Corporate sponsors most likely. But the Global Baby Shower would indicate they have no scruples in accepting funds from their misguided fans.

The BRF may be able to ignore other transgressions, but outright malfeasance may be where HM has to step in. Although the PA situation does not offer much hope. Harry must be the one to kick her to the curb, and he does not seem to be on that path just yet.
Miggy said…
@Jen

I think Harry is well aware of the 'rules' but I do agree with you that Markle may have convinced him that it's the gentlemanly thing for a husband, (under 'normal' circumstances) to do, and as her obedient slave, he succumbs.

Ugh!
Jen said…
@Miggy, I am in no way defending Harry, but I often think that (BM, Before Meg) when he was at these types of events with William and Kate, he wasn't the ranking royal. He may understand the rules, but maybe he never truly paid attention. I could be way off base, and probably am, but all we can do is speculate on these things. Now that he's part of the couple, he defers to his wife (because maybe he truly is C-whipped).....
CatEyes said…
No there is no excuse for Harry not knowing royal protocol. I dare say a British toadstool would know! lol

I suspect he has been indoctrinated by the oh-so-feminist Meghan that he has to let her go first. There would be 'hell to pay if he didn't'. Oh. wait. there is 'hell to pay' anyway with her.
Miggy said…
@Jen

I may be wrong and stand to be corrected but does Harry not take precedence over Kate when William is absent?

In this video he acts accordingly and greets first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0B5bMtYGHM

lizzie said…
@Miggy, I was just about to post the same video. I guess Kate could have told him what to do ;)
Miggy said…
@CatEyes

Spot on!
Miggy said…
@Lizzie

Ha ha! Great minds think alike. ;)
Jen said…
@Miggy,I was hoping to give him the benefit of the doubt, but evidence proves otherwise! Thanks! I guess then we can surmise that she is requesting (demanding?) this treatment. I do wonder if he said anything to her after the roundtable debacle...or if he just doesn't care and was looking to Japan and a few days outside of her orbit.

Fairy Crocodile said…
@Jen Well Harry is not behaving like he is seeing the error of his ways. He lashes at people because he perceives the "treatment" of his wife unfair. Unless he views her as extension of his own self and "disrespect" to her as disrespect to himself, he is totally under her control.
By the way, looks like somebody in the Palace took charge of Harry for Japanese visit, thus his more presentable looks and actions.
CatEyes said…
About Harry looking better at the Japanese visit (and other places without Megs)....maybe it is his passive-aggressive stance against her. He is more well-groomed and seems upbeat outside her presence. Hopefully, a small part of Harry still exists and will survive to live a better day (permanently without her). Oh and that day can't come soon enough for me!
Miggy said…
@Jen

I watched his face carefully at the roundtable discussion and when she mentioned "and he's been working this thing since 2013," followed by her dreadful cackle, he gave what I can only describe as a nervous laugh, and then when she went on to say, "which is why people don't notice as much... blah blah blah," his demeanour changed noticeably and his face definitely dropped. ( I actually felt momentarily sorry for him!)

I agree with both Fairy Crocodile and CatEyes that Harry is better dressed and behaves more like his old self when away from her presence.
Glow W said…
@cateyes all new parents look better when they aren’t up all night with a baby.
abbyh said…

@LiverBird There's also the fact that Meghan has made a succession of serious missteps recently, all of which reflect badly on her but not on the royals. By contrast, William and Kate are looking ever more regal. And at the end of the day, that's what counts. Not the Harkles and their infantile shenanigans.

I think this ought to be mentioned more. As they teach you in writing essays, compare and contrast. very good point
Hikari said…
Camilla must be so thrilled to be on deck to babysit the Harkles during the Remembrance walk they will be taking at Camilla's patronage. Camilla is technically Princess of Wales now, though she does not use that title out of deference to Diana's memory. But in the absence of Charles, will she have to trail behind Harry and Meghan, even though she is the patroness of this charity and should really take lead at the event? Meg on her own is nobody, but when glommed onto Harry's reflected glory, will she outrank the future Queen Consort? How this rankles!

I wish Charles would attend this walk with his wife and then the Harkles would be forced to trail behind them like the misbehaving children they are. Those would be some optics I could get behind!
Miggy said…
@Tatty

What about before they had the baby?
How do you explain that even back then he still looked better when without her?
punkinseed said…
Miggy, those are some great observations.
From my own experiences growing up as the youngest of five kids, I can remember feeling stepped on or over quite a bit by others. Even when I'd done something of my own, did a great job on it with lots of praise, there would be a sibling or peer who could often manage to crush me by pointing out the flaws in my project or idea. I can see the same thing as Megs crushes Harry's self esteem on a regular basis and he's feeling it. It shows. When she's not around him it's like an albatross isn't hanging on his neck. He doesn't have to feel he has to please her or feel like his every move is being judged, criticized, scrutinized and guarded. When she's not with him the sun is out and he's free, but the moment she's in his presence, dark clouds form around him and he withdraws. Meghan might be his wife, but she's certainly not Harry's friend. Narcs are incapable of being a true, supportive friend.
Miggy said…
@Hikari

I'm kinda hoping that as Camilla is the Patron she might take the lead.
Wishful thinking on my part....
Jen said…
@Tatty

Not to state the obvious, but you are assuming they are actually up late at night with Archie. That cannot be proven one way or another. Based on the child's interaction we saw in SA, I'd say it's highly unlikely.
Hikari said…
@Miggy

>>>I watched his face carefully at the roundtable discussion and when she mentioned "and he's been working this thing since 2013," followed by her dreadful cackle, he gave what I can only describe as a nervous laugh, and then when she went on to say, "which is why people don't notice as much... blah blah blah," his demeanour changed noticeably and his face definitely dropped. ( I actually felt momentarily sorry for him!)<<<

It's been evident for some time now that the dynamic in the Sussex marriage is sadomasochistic. Meg is the Dominant and Harry, her grovelling Submissive. It's not a good look for a born royal, but this is the dynamic which Harry allows. A stronger personality wouldn't stand for the overt belittling and physical control displayed by Meg, but it has become abundantly clear that Harry is more or less an internal vacuum. He's got no firm moorings or sense of himself and his role and will take on the coloration of whomever he's with. In solo situations, surrounded by people who have come to see Harry, Prince of England, and accord him the dignity of his title, along with basic human dignity, he seems to be like a sunflower stretching toward the light, and he can once again be the lighthearted Harry. But I think he's intrinsically hollow inside. There is only insecurity and rage in there mostly and that's what Malignant Meg has tapped into.

It is a dysfunctional relationship but Harry must be deriving something out of this abuse which makes him on some twisted level, happy. Or at least, with a feeling of familiarity which is somehow comfortable, even though he looks to observers like he is in hell. He must believe he belongs there. A more well-adjusted and integrated personality would not have attracted a Narcissist in the first place, or would have shut her down before she could get her hooks in. The burning question now is how long this twisted tango is going to go on. Anybody's guess. He will likely double down on his his choices and insist, like a good Submissive, that everyone else is wrong about his Dominant and just cannot understand their 'Special Relationship.'
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Miggy said…
@punkinseed & @Hikari

Both of you summed the Harry & Meghan situation up so eloquently.

Thanks.
DesignDoctor said…
@Miggy

Also, it's interesting to read this morning that Ashley Cole's brother has denied that Ashley
pursued Meghan before she met Harry. He called it nonsense.


Another example of her pathological lies.

In unison, now : We don't believe you!
Miggy said…
Article in the Daily Express.

Royal reporter commenting on Harry drinking beer in Japan and how Sparkles will no doubt be cross with him. (even they must see what we see!) LOL

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1200972/meghan-markle-news-prince-harry-japan-rugby-duchess-of-sussex-royal-family-latest


Miggy said…
ALL ABOUT ARCHIE - (from a source)

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a29710465/meghan-markle-prince-harry-son-archie-6-months-report/

@ Tatty - it says baby Archie sleeps through the night.
Miggy said…
"And he isn’t a needy baby — he’ll happily go to Harry and Meghan’s friends without kicking up a fuss.”

Yes, I bet he will!!!
Miggy said…
@DesignDoctor

Too right we don't! :)
Ilona said…
A very good article from Nutty that attracted some very interesting and insightful comments.

The unworthy Duchess swamps PH with her negative energy to such an extent that he is incapable of shaking her pernicious influence off when they are together. Of course, he must have very little self-esteem otherwise I can't imagine that he would put up with her deplorable attitude.

I do hope that some day soon he sees the light and we all delight in seeing that the worm has turned.

freddie_mac said…
@Hikari

It's been evident for some time now that the dynamic in the Sussex marriage is sadomasochistic. Meg is the Dominant and Harry, her grovelling Submissive. ... this is the dynamic which Harry allows. ... It is a dysfunctional relationship but Harry must be deriving something out of this abuse which makes him on some twisted level, happy. Or at least, with a feeling of familiarity which is somehow comfortable, even though he looks to observers like he is in hell.

If our speculations about Meg/NPD are accurate, then I expect that Harry has been so brainwashed that he can't see any way out of this Hell. I see their relationship more as an enormous public service announcement about spousal abuse.

He must believe he belongs there.

This, 1000%. Of course, however abused Harry might be, my sympathy is entirely with Archie.
CookieShark said…
Extended video from the Equality roundtable is on Twitter today.
As the CEO is giving opening remarks, MM totally interrupts her and says "Can I just say a few words" before launching into the same word salad as usual.

Besides her atrocious manners, the clip demonstrates that MM's "remarks" at the roundtable were likely off the cuff and not a planned part of the event. She takes over with her pontificating. Why does she continue to get invites to events? As others posted, perhaps this is why she "gate-crashes." They can't tell her no when she asks to speak in front of everyone else.
CatEyes said…
@tatty "all new parents look better when they aren't up all night with a baby".

You assume facts not in evidence. If one is to assume based on observations (of which many have commented on a multitude of sites I read) then the facts are Harry looks better when not with Meghan. Everything from him dressing better, to being better groomed to acting less nervous and more upbeat!

Anyway, the child is only 6 (looks 8 mo's) and can still be getting up at night for any number of reasons. We just don't know. However, if reports are to be believed Meghan has nannies to care for Archie.
Miggy said…
I feel so sorry for this man too.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7652987/Meghan-Markles-paternal-uncle-says-hes-given-hope-hearing-again.html

Cold hearted *****
CatEyes said…
Miggy-
Just read that article you cited and yes indeed it is sad. Particularly stunning considering Meg's Uncle as a diplomat got her that plum internship in Argentina. From what I've read she squandered that opportunity and did nothing other than allegedly dating a local boy (he dodged a bullet).
Meowwww said…
New article. Omg NO LIP LINER YA’LL.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7655095/Meghan-Markles-make-artist-Daniel-Martin-reveals-pull-bold-lip-look.html

That was sarcasm on my part.
Ozmanda said…
What seems to be clear that as much as she likes to spout the "Female Empowerment" Her whole life seems to be about taking advantage of other connections. Eg. Her father working in the media industry, boyfriends and "good friends"
SwampWoman said…
Just damn. If I were MM's makeup 'artist', I'd stay hidden in the corner. Somebody needs some remedial art lessons.
Platypus said…
Another new Harry Markle!
YankeeDoodle said…
MM has been copying Kerry Washington, Star of “Scandal’, since Day One. Kerry would wear white coats with a tie waist on the cable series; MM wire the same. Kerr)s character was a wine fanatic, and MM copied her on Tig, it is unbelievable that no one has figured out how much MM has copied a real cable tv actress. MM probably wants people to think she is Kerry Washington. MM copies clothes, hair, and most everything from the star of ‘Scandal.”

I watched the sad engagement interview of MM and the suddenly pathetic Harry, who has looked and confirmed his literal dumb face, helplessness, and treason towards the Crown. After the sad interview, a woman who follows body language gave a remarkable take regarding the words and body language of H and M. Every time Neghan said something about being different, changing the royal family, and grandiose ideas about the two stupidos making the world into their high-school drop out world, Harry would look up and smile. When MM said she would try to fit into the royal family, Harry would literally drop, his shoulders caving in. MM would bring up being like a rogue like Diana, and Harry perked up. It is amazing to wat h and listen to the body reader.
Britannia said…
Meowwww said...
New article. Omg NO LIP LINER YA’LL.

I watched him live on breakfast TV yesterday morning doing this "revolutionary" look. He didn't even look like he's a trained make up artist.

On another note... just took a peep at that blind gossip site. My, those commenters (commentators?) are savage!
Miggy said…
Oh no!!! Camilla has pulled out of the remembrance service at Westminster Abbey today because of a chest infection.
Miggy said…
Harry & Meghan arrive at Westminster Abbey.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7659353/Harry-Meghan-visit-Westminster-Abbey-Field-Remembrance.html
Miggy said…
Ugh! Can't look at her face in the photos released so far. Such a solemn occasion and she still has a hint of a smile/smug look on her face.
Miggy said…
Some good videos on Royal Reporters twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter
Madge said…
What a mess. What on earth is she wearng? A coat that doesn't fit, a hat that doesn't sit right and messy uncombed hair. What a disgrace.
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Oh my God, nutties, I don't even care about her clothes today. Camilla pulled out of the joint engagement!! This is gold. This is so so so shady, I'm laughing my ass off. It just couldn't have been worse for them,optics wise. Cam pro threw a hissy fit, sat on her favorite horse and ran away to Scotland instead of making an appearance with HnM. There's no way the BRF is not aware how bad this is going to look.for the disaster duo. But I totally love. Good for you Cam, I always knew you had balls of steel. xoxo
Unknown said…
@charade, you are correct. The blue velvet hat with a boucle fabric coat don’t go together texture wise, plus they are different colors. She’s got herself belted up like a sack of potatoes yet again. The arms of the coat are too snug, the coat gaps in the front making the hemline uneven. What else..oh, she’s got so much slap on her face I’m surprised she can lift her head. And, she’s dressed for a snowstorm and Catherine doesn’t even have a jacket on. This woman couldn’t get it right to save her soul.

And, good on Camilla for ditching this event...I wonder if it was because she would have had to walk behind them...or am I wrong about that? In any case, I can’t see her putting on a genial facade while in her company ever again.
Glowworm
SwampWoman said…
ROFL, you go, Camilla!

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