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"Give minor royals a means of escape": Tips from a UK professor

Not much news on the Sussex front this week, except for a "remember when" post on @SussexRoyal Instagram. (Remember when Meg helped the women from Hubb Kitchen publicize their cookbook in 2018? @SussexRoyal does!)

I'd like to share an excellent post from another blogger, however - Robert Hazell, a professor at University College London, who offers us "Prince Andrew: Six Lessons for the Modern Monarchy". 

While he doesn't mention the Sussexes by name, a couple of his "lessons" have relevance for them.

For example, Lesson Three, Be Wary About Fundraising...and Lesson Four, Keep Tight Control of Royal PR

And, in particular, Lesson Five: Understand the plight of minor royals, and allow them a means of escape.

You can read Hazell's full blog post here. 






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Unknown said…
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A great article in the DM! Good ole Stephanie Powers!

'It's her job to be Harry's wife, not change the royal dynamic': Prince Charles' Hollywood polo pal Stefanie Powers, 77, unloads on Meghan and brands Andrew 'stupid' - but gushes about 'impeccable' Kate

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7786545/Prince-Charles-Hollywood-polo-pal-Stefanie-Powers-unloads-Meghan-Markle.html
Glow W said…
@cateyes

“I find Glowworm's comment about scrolling past you and @Wizardwench comments a very civil way to express their view, unlike the sometimes rabid comments of a political nature or a very infamous poster (name rhymes with 'batty') who hurls insults and call names. Why shouldn't we applaud civility which lately seems in short supply? Was your assessment accurate that it was "rude"...no, and I dare say it wasn't even accurate. Just a comment to express what one poster intends to do (back away from being affected by other's comments). Seems honorable to me!”

Um, what? I talk politics of a rabid nature? When? Where?
Glow W said…
When really, you are a hugely disruptive force on these boards. CatEyes is a trouble maker,
@Trudy,’I just checked the twitter account for Holly Lynch where some folks are mentioning that letter and it influencing their votes in a negative way. Also British posters on LSA are saying the letter writing is having a negative impact today on those who signed it....

I think people will and do add any topical reason to their list for not likening someone etc. All that said, I don’t do Twitter, respectfully too much fake news and nonsense for my liking. So I’d take what’s said on there with a mountain of salt. Never seen or LSA site, again...it’s gossip. ;o)
Glow W said…
@kayC I hope your son gets better soon
@cookieshark that sounds super scary what happened to you!

I also didn’t know people photoshopped crowns on people. Who knew?
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Royal Fan said…
I noticed a comment on CDAN suggested that Meghan was recently denied entry into Canada. Anyone heard this or have any corroborating evidence? Why would that even happen?
HappyDays said…
Ms. Powers is spot on! When the RF wants their opinion or information out in public concerning a hot topic without having to say it themselves, they often have close friends or associates do it for them. Hence, Stephanie Powers’ interview. She most likely would not have expressed these opinions with approval from PC and HMTQ. They used this strategy with Diana. I think this is a first shot across the bow of the HMS Sussex. FINALLY!!!!
grumpy_lass said…
@Raspberry Ruffle. I'd agree with that. I checked the names on that letter at the time and my local Labour candidate had signed it. Even before the election was announced she had immediately lost my vote for doing so. It wasn't so much to do with supporting MM (unnecessarily imho) but the fact that it showed poor judgement, jumping on an ill-informed bandwagon in an attempt to appear pc, as well as wasting time on something really rather stupid. Seriously, did these female MPs have nothing better to do with their time?! And why was it on official HoP paper, since it was not an issue for Parliament? I have no idea how many votes will have been lost because of that letter, but this election is a shocker, the majority really don't know who to vote for because the options are unfathomably bad and all outcomes are frightening. I worked on a 'process of elimination' so any excuse to make my decision easier was taken into account. I'll be interested to see if my local MP manages to keep her seat, but even if she loses it there will be many probable reasons why she did, with MM being the least significant.
Louise said…
Royal Fan: I believe the story about Smerkle being denied entry into Canada originated with Torontopaper1 , who seems to be a troll who makes things up.

Logically, it is extremely difficult for anyone who is not a murderer to be denied entry to Canada..... let alone an American who also happens to be the grand daughter in law of the Canadian monarch. Even ordinary Americans can easily drive across the border.

And anyway, she worked in Canada so obviously has had no problems entering Canada.
Platypus said…
There’s a new Harry Markle up!
SwampWoman said…
Grumpy lass said: Raspberry Ruffle. I'd agree with that. I checked the names on that letter at the time and my local Labour candidate had signed it. Even before the election was announced she had immediately lost my vote for doing so. It wasn't so much to do with supporting MM (unnecessarily imho) but the fact that it showed poor judgement, jumping on an ill-informed bandwagon in an attempt to appear pc, as well as wasting time on something really rather stupid. Seriously, did these female MPs have nothing better to do with their time?! And why was it on official HoP paper, since it was not an issue for Parliament? I have no idea how many votes will have been lost because of that letter, but this election is a shocker, the majority really don't know who to vote for because the options are unfathomably bad and all outcomes are frightening. I worked on a 'process of elimination' so any excuse to make my decision easier was taken into account. I'll be interested to see if my local MP manages to keep her seat, but even if she loses it there will be many probable reasons why she did, with MM being the least significant.

The labour reps actually signing the support letter was just such a demonstration of bad judgment in action. Why in the world, when they are coming up on an election, would they give so many people a reason to vote against them? Did they think she was some kind of youth representative (while pushing 40)? They must live in some sort of bubble where they believe Markel's (and their own) PR. She's a freakin' American *very* bad actress who is doing a *very* bad job at pretending to be a Duchess. WHY would they support her over the people that they are supposed to represent?
SwampWoman said…
I'm sorry for the rant, but I just cannot understand their (Labour reps) dysfunctional thinking in backing Markle. It appears, with the Stephanie Powers' interview, that the Sussexes are in deep compost (note my nice words tonight) that they will probably not be able to extricate themselves from.

Could it be that they (Labour) were trying to curry favor from the electorate by supporting Markle and thereby giving the BRF the finger, so to speak?

Have a good evening, y'all. I imagine that this means y'all are for sure Brexiting. I'm not sure whether I should say congrats or so sorry so I'll just say best wishes and good luck for the future.

CatEyes said…
@Tatty

>>>Um, what? I talk politics of a rabid nature? When? Where?<<

I never said any such thing. I haven't mentioned you by name. Facts, hard cold facts!

However, You Committed Libel against me by your comment of today at 4:24pm identifying me. I ask for an immediate apology and that you delete the comment immediately. I won't go into why you should do so.

I don't care about your flu, as my brother who lives with me was taken to the Neuro ICU Level 1 Hospital in a comatose state 3 days age and suspected of having a major stroke, so I have been dealing with far more than some flu!
CatEyes said…
@tatty

BTW the subject I wrote about was civility! Can you recall what many people have complained about you on this blog in particular?
CatEyes said…
@tatty

You haven't deleted the comment so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not on here now. However, when I see your name appear again I am going to immediately renew my request, for an apology and that you delete the LIBELOUS comment. You have smeared the wrong person this time!
Unknown said…
@CatEyes...sending heartfelt prayers for your brother.
Glowworm
CatEyes said…
@Glowworm

Thank you very much!! He is a devout Christian now (more so than me *smirk) and we appreciate prayers big time. While next to his bedside I tell him his buddy The Holy Spirit will help him. I then have prayed to the Holy Spirit and told him "his good and faithful servant" needs his help now. But thankfully I trust that he will get better.
abbyh said…

Stephanie Powers - quite the comet (excuse me) comment coming from left field. Doubt MM (and possible team SS) saw that one coming.

With the bling the other night, knowing that HMTQ is the master of understatement, hmm, that is a message sent. I grew up in a home with messages spoken and different messages sent.

They say things come in threes, so I'm waiting to see what comes next. (snicker).

Hope everyone who is ill and everyone who has family members who are ill, get well, go home and enjoy the rest of the year.
Lady Luvgood said…
Good grief, Markle and Haz and sometimes other members of the BRF, nothing else needs to be discussed

Knock it off with the Clinton bashing or Trump Love

This is a specific subject blog, and IDGAF what you’re sipping on or how pretty you write, leave the politics out of it
CatEyes said…
@Unknown

Oh wow. Trump Love, Yahoo!!!
Nelo said…
Holly Lynch, the ring leader of the pro Meghan MPs have been Markled. Markled now has a meaning in the urban dictionary
Unknown said…
NuttyFlavor’s blog has been a rare and beautiful thing and I thank her for her efforts.
For any who might be interested, I’m Glowworm on Twitter...🐛
CatEyes said…
There seems to be more than one Unknown I've noticed.
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Magatha Mistie said…
Stephanie Powers, wow, totally agree with all she said re megs. The powers ( pun intended ) that be are certainly moving, & quite quickly. The long game appears to be drawing to a close, checkmate Queen aided by the future King...
Nelo said…
Holly Lynch won her seat. Sorry for the error.
Nelo said…
According to LSA, 75 percent of the pro meghan MPs won their seats.
Nelo said…
@Trudy, don't forget Elizabeth Hurley who said last week that the Sussexes have more privacy than her and most celebrities so she doesn't know why they are being paranoid.
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Magatha Mistie said…
Nutty, I enjoy your blog immensely, well written. But, the comments re politics are getting boring. We all have our views. Living in a house with husband & daughter staunch labour & no interest in monarchy, versus son & me conservative & staunch monarchists makes for interesting conversations!! I come on here to discuss Megs, & her many faux pas.
Magatha Mistie said…
This was a good blog, I feel it’s now been overtaken by mean girls, anyone who disagrees is degraded. We all have ideas, good or bad. No need for tag teaming. Too much negativity & back biting. I thought this was an open post, no. I’m sure the lurkers out there don’t want to submit for fear of negativity.
grumpy_lass said…
@Swamp Woman. Yes, that was my reasoning exactly - a public display of really poor judgement on a topic (yes, MM is merely a 'topic') which is pretty irrelevant to most Brits. Then, having made a display of poor judgement so publicly, I think you should expect to be scrutinised more closely by your electorate. The actual letter here is irrelevant, it's the behaviour and bad judgement which is being called into question. A middle finger to the RF is an interesting idea, but I think possibly not.
Personally, I see MM as an object to ridicule, a shocking attention seeker at a time in our history when we have so many other far more important things to worry about. My own perception of the RF is just something that ticks over in the background, quietly, which is what (I think) most people would expect from them. They exist to be seen, not heard, we don't care about their opinions in anything, & don't want to hear it. They are paid to understand that role & just get on with it quietly and with dignity. MM continually 'fails' to understand this. Similarly, these female MPs also failed to recognise that in signing that letter, they also stepped out of the role that they are paid to do, which is to represent the electorate. We're not interested in their personal opinions either.
The turn-out for this election was massive, despite being predicted to be at an all-time low because so many people have become disillusioned with all parties for various reasons. In the end, it was policies on Brexit which won the votes. My local MP (now an ex-MP) is in one of the parties who would push for at least one more referendum, so they lost votes because of that - again, they weren't listening to their electorate so failed to do their job properly. This is how Brits work - we don't say much, but we are very clear in what we do say, so it's important to listen or you're out on your a*se. MM should certainly take note. And yes, the female MP mentioned above lost her seat in Parliament last night - she didn't listen either. Oooops!!
Magatha Mistie said…
Thank you Grumpy Lass, can hear your voice in your words.
Madge said…
Sorry if this has been posted already and is "old news".

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18095489.amp/

"THOUSANDS of people have signed a petition demanding that Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are stripped of their titles.

The campaign also asks that Brighton and Hove City Council doesn’t use the term Duke and Duchess of Sussex or invite them to the city.

Since being launched in July, 3,696 people have signed the petition, which means it now goes before the full council for debate on Thursday, 19 December.

Its creator Charles Ross will put his case before councillors who then have the opportunity to discuss the proposals."
SwampWoman said…
Why are there so many hysterical tweets about children starving in the streets, people starving in the streets, disabled Muslims dying, committing violence, etc.? Are the new (overwhelming) majority proposing to (slightly) cut back on the huge amount of social services?
Miggy said…
@Raspberry Ruffle,

"‘I hear the MPs who came out in MMs defense may be getting Markled in today's election. Any British posters able to update us?"


I don't have time to find the complete list of MP's who signed the letter but these were some of the MP's mentioned in the press at the time.

Retained their seat-

*Holly Lynch
*Jess Phillips
*Yvette Cooper
*Diane Abbott
*Tulip Siddiq
*Tracey Crouch
*Gillian Keegan
*Wera Hobhouse
*Layla Moran
*Seema Malhotra
*Rosie Duffield
*Tracy Brabin
*Emma Hardy
*Louise Haigh
*Lucy Powell
*Stella Creasy
*Marsha de Cordova
*Lisa Nandy
*Ellie Reeves
*Yasmin Qureshi
*Rachel Reeves
*Karen Buck
*Cat McKinnell
*Valerie Vaz


Lost their seat -

*Angela Smith
*Antoinette Sandbach
*Anna Turley
bootsy said…
@ Swampwoman
You stated: ..." I just cannot understand their (Labour reps) dysfunctional thinking in backing Markle. It appears, with the Stephanie Powers' interview, that the Sussexes are in deep compost (note my nice words tonight) that they will probably not be able to extricate themselves from.

Could it be that they (Labour) were trying to curry favor from the electorate by supporting Markle and thereby giving the BRF the finger, so to speak?"

I think you're partly correct, and it's a colossal lack of judgement from a party that has lost contact with it's roots.
The most succinct analysis I have heard is that Labour, and especially these MM supporters, just saw the world in terms of Victims, Saviours or Villains. Add on to this idea that politics revolves around London and issues that are deemed to be important by the 'liberal' political and media classes that are dominant here.

But this moral posturing ignored most working people who don't care about these things and who don't live in the capital and are simply getting by. All of this stuff is totally irrelevant to them. To make it clear, this view r.e. victims and saviours, as well as all the pro MM stuff, is very London centric. It does not speak to most of the population who are a bit more stoic.
How can a successful and beautiful actress who jets over the world, gets listened to despite having no experience, and lives in unbelievable wealth be complaining about her life? And then having Labour MPs, who represent the working classes (well, apparently) actually agreeing with her? It shows the complete disconnect between normal people, the issues that they find important, and a London centric Labour obsessed with semantic issues of fairness, unfairness and vague social justice.

Modern Labour see themselves as the saviour, while MM sees herself as both. Neither hold much sway with the public at large. The public just want to get on with things, have jobs , not get too much taken away from them, have good services and a quiet life.

And as liverbird has said many times before, it's important to understand most people here don't care about MM/PH in the slightest.

I know people don't want to talk about the election on here but the repudiation of the London based, social justice following Labour party by it's traditional voter base goes a long way to explaining why MM either isn't popular or is just totally irrelevant here in the UK. Her expression of victimhood and being bullied and upset is seen as a joke by normal people (if they even actually care!).
The scale of the Labour losses show just how many people there are in this country that completely reject the self centred social justice style politics of the modern Labour movement. And this is what MM models herself on.

As such, this political event will most certainly impact on MM/PH because it demonstrates little patience with the issues that their royal highnesses feel to be important. Let alone their complaints about how awful life is for them. If they were on thin ice already then this result not only confirms it but ramps up the pressure on them quite a bit.
SwampWoman said…
Now that I'm properly awake (I was awakened by severe storms about 3 a.m. and checked the latest news then) I see that the leftists are threatening to burn the Christmas markets. I'm not sure where or what the Christmas markets are, but that sounds rather ominous. I suppose leftists neither give nor receive Christmas presents.
Miggy said…
Apologies to @Raspberry Ruffle as my above post should have been to @Trudy. (I think)
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy, Yes, indeed. The vast majority of Wommmen who signed the letter in support of markle are labour activists sitting in safe labour constituencies. People is those constituencies would vote for devil himself if he wore labour colours. I am not surprised they are still there. But what matters is the good people of UK saw right through Corbyn and made sure his antisemitic party is nowhere near the majority in Parliament. They can support who they blooming choose now, Markle, Clinton, Stalin - it doesn't matter.
Miggy said…
@ Fairy Crocodile,

I concur. :)
@Miggy, no worries, yes it was Trudy who bought up names and wanted to know who had lost/retained their Parliament seat.

@grumpy-lass, totally agree and great comments.
xxxxx said…
Just saying from America... It is good to see Labour getting a good drubbing. Boris and his party can now proceed with Brexit. At this point 90% of the Remainers want this to be over. Your three years of Brexit controversy will soon be over. The UK Pound shot upward in response. And it was great that you remained with The Pound and left The Euro to The Continentals. Norway and Switzerland have great trade relationships with EU while never joining it. UK can do the same with a trade relationship that benefits UK and EU.

These two rascals, Boris and Trump, will get along just fine as we enter the new decade. The same for the UK-USA relationship with some new trade deals coming up. One proposed trade deal is us giving you back James Corden for Megsy.
Hikari said…
Re. Stefanie Powers' interview with the Daily Beast,

My, but she looks great at 77 years of age, doesn't she? I had no idea that she was acquainted with Prince Charles, or was a polo player. I guess I wasn't even aware that girls played polo, to be honest . . kind of like rugby, though I suppose there must be all-female rugby teams.

I think Ms. Powers echoes what we are all mostly thinking . . she is, if anything, too kind about Andrew, merely calling him 'stupid', and she could have been even more brutal on Megs. But as for the criticisms she does offer . . spot on. Markle is continually referred to as still being an actress, in this piece and others, like all the gossip blinds. Is being an actress like being an ex-President in that you get to call yourself by that title forever, regardless of how long it's been since you were part of the profession? Meg hasn't done any proper acting for going on three years now at least--when was she released from 'Suits'? Not that what she ever did could be called 'proper acting' . . and now, for the last 2-plus years, we've been treated to this global pantomime act called 'Keeping Up with the 'Duchess''.

I'm glad to see that Charles has some friends willing to speak up for him. After I got some perspective on the whole Diana situation, I have always felt that Chas is basically treated like a goat who can't do anything right. He lacks the charisma of his mother, which is to his detriment, but dang, she'd be an impossible act to follow for anyone. Behind his often awkward public presentation, Charles seems to have a much better reputation among people who actually know him.
Royal Fan said…
I watch reruns of Hart to Hart all the time so now I will enjoy it even more knowing Mrs Powers positions on Meghan and her support of Charles who I think has been somewhat misunderstood. Give it to ‘em Stef!!
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Hikari I hear Stephanie is running a Kenyan wildlife conservation and she is very hands on with that. That was something I respect a lot and it made me listen to what she had to say. Trying to save animals is never an easy job and anybody doing this has my undying respect. Another point with her was calling Princess Anne "The real thing" and I thought "yes!!". Anne is everything MM isn't - unpretentious, straightforward, unfashionable, hardworking, down to earth and no nonsense. I doubt she views her royal duties as preaching via instagram. She did more for the royal family than the rest of them put together.
grumpy_lass said…
@miggy You can add Thelma Walker into the 'lost her seat' list. I'm not really surprised that Holly retained hers since she is in the Red Wall of Socialism which some of us plebs inhabit.
@Fairy Crocodile Yes, normally I would agree with the voting patterns of all the northern lefties, but Thelma Walker's constituency is bang in the middle of it, & something clearly went very wrong for her since she has now lost it & it's a screaming blue blob dividing the wall into two separate parts. Oooops!
Looking at @miggy's list of women who retained their seats, it's pretty clear that MM wasn't a deciding factor. Despite living in the Red Wall area, I couldn't vote Labour because of their refusal to deal with the accusations of anti-semitism which has plagued them for a long time now. So the fact that my MP had signed the MM letter as well was simply an additional bonus. I suspect everyone else's voting decisions were equally bitty & a bit desperate too. I quite like the irony of it all - Labour MPs voicing support for MM as a WoC whilst screaming 'discrimination!' within a party that has continually failed to deal with anti-semitic allegations. Seriously, you couldn't make this stuff up...
MM is only important in her own mind, she really isn't important here, just very annoying, & most people simply don't care about her or if she is mentioned she is used as a punchbag for criticism over her outrageous spending in the midst of several years (& many more to come) of austerity, surges in homelessness, dependence on food banks, & the highest statistics ever of child poverty. MM & Hapless need to grow up, or do everyone a favour by staying out of sight & shutting-the-fu*k up.
Anonymous said…
I don’t think Markle had anything to do with how people voted.
bootsy said…
@Drabredcarpet
I agree 100%.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: I agree that m2 was not a consideration in how people voted, far more important issues and concerns at hand...as much as she strives to be important, she just isn’t...and becoming even less important by the minute.
Hikari said…
@Fairy Crocodile,

I second all your thoughts about the Princess Royal, whose industry and unflinching devotion to the Firm is an example to them all. If it rankles that she was born behind Charles and wouldn't have been considered for the Crown 69 years ago in any case, she never shows it. She's making the utmost of her role in support to her mother and her brother, the current and future sovereigns, and has managed to raise two well-balanced and well-liked kids to adulthood as basically private citizens while clamoring for no titles for them or seeking to aggrandize herself, which as the Queen's only daughter and her father's favorite, she could have, and turned out as a right little madam, too. Philip's (humorous) summation of his daughter: "If it doesn't eat grass and fart she's not interested in it" hardly does her justice--Anne is interested in a plethora of things and does everything she does to a very high level as far as I can tell. Regular Britons seem to hold respect for the Princess Royal even if they are not particular fans of the monarchy because she exemplifies so many good solid unflashy, substantial British virtues. The way she conducts herself could and should be a lesson to the Sussexes . . one does not have to be the direct heir or his wife to make a valuable contribution. Anne is tireless, with more official engagements a year than 3 or 4 others of the senior royals put together.

I'd dispute that Megs is in fact 'fashionable' but I know what you meant--she is a fashion legend in her own mind. Anne can't be bothered with such fripperies. I particularly enjoy seeing her in uniform mounted on a horse as an officer of the Household Guard, like her bothers and nephew. It's where she belongs. She would have made a fine Queen in imitation of her mother, but things being what they are, Charles is very lucky to have her. Let's hope he relies on her counsel when he is King. The two have always been quite close, being so close in age.
DesignDoctor said…
@Hikari

I love your comments on the Princess Royal! Bravo!

And I agree--as an aspiring (or inspiring) fashionista MM is a total fail! Somehow she cannot manage to look well put together even with all the money and help!
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