Jessica Mulroney was one of the earliest players in the Meghan Markle fame drama.
She met Meghan sometime between 2011 and 2015, when Markle was in Mulroney's native Canada playing a role on Suits; by 2016, the two women were pictured vacationing together in Italy.
Jessica was right by Meghan's side during the romance with Prince Harry, even present during the couple's first public outing at the Invictus games in September 2017.
She was a visible presence at the Royal Wedding in May 2018, and even made a brief appearance during the Sussexes' Royal Tour of Australia, for reasons that have never been fully explained. There was also gossip about the Sussexes giving the Mulroneys an expensive Jaguar car - why is also unclear.
There was great speculation that Jessica might be chosen as one of Archie Windsor-Mountbatten's godmothers, although as a follower of the Jewish faith, she would not ordinarily be eligible.
And when the Sussexes returned to the UK for their last appearance as Their Royal Highnesses, they reportedly left Archie - such as he is - in the care of Jessica Mulroney, even though she was living in Toronto at the time and they were based in Western Canada.
She and Mulroney started their family quickly - their twin boys were born in summer 2010, along with a daughter in 2013.
And they leveraged their family for publicity from the beginning, regularly sharing images on social media. Mulroney even served as a spokeswoman for Pampers diapers, along with a side business distributing high-end lingerie.
In November 2015, Jessica had her big breakthrough as a stylist, choosing a range of ensembles by Canadian designers for Justin Trudeau's wife Sophie to wear on the world stage.
After hitching her star to Meghan's, she won a regular spot on "Good Morning America" and her own reality show featuring re-dos for brides whose first wedding had been botched.
She met Meghan sometime between 2011 and 2015, when Markle was in Mulroney's native Canada playing a role on Suits; by 2016, the two women were pictured vacationing together in Italy.
Jessica was right by Meghan's side during the romance with Prince Harry, even present during the couple's first public outing at the Invictus games in September 2017.
She was a visible presence at the Royal Wedding in May 2018, and even made a brief appearance during the Sussexes' Royal Tour of Australia, for reasons that have never been fully explained. There was also gossip about the Sussexes giving the Mulroneys an expensive Jaguar car - why is also unclear.
There was great speculation that Jessica might be chosen as one of Archie Windsor-Mountbatten's godmothers, although as a follower of the Jewish faith, she would not ordinarily be eligible.
And when the Sussexes returned to the UK for their last appearance as Their Royal Highnesses, they reportedly left Archie - such as he is - in the care of Jessica Mulroney, even though she was living in Toronto at the time and they were based in Western Canada.
From shoe sales to celebrity
Born to a Canadian family that had made its fortune in retail shoe sales, Jessica Brownstein was married in October 2008 the son of former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, whom she had known since her teenage years.She and Mulroney started their family quickly - their twin boys were born in summer 2010, along with a daughter in 2013.
And they leveraged their family for publicity from the beginning, regularly sharing images on social media. Mulroney even served as a spokeswoman for Pampers diapers, along with a side business distributing high-end lingerie.
In November 2015, Jessica had her big breakthrough as a stylist, choosing a range of ensembles by Canadian designers for Justin Trudeau's wife Sophie to wear on the world stage.
After hitching her star to Meghan's, she won a regular spot on "Good Morning America" and her own reality show featuring re-dos for brides whose first wedding had been botched.
Jessica is cancelled
Now, at a time of heightened sensitivity about racial matters, Jessica has been "cancelled" after a feud with a Black Canadian influencer.
I don't have any special insight on their disagreement, which was explained in greater detail by Meghan's longtime supporter (and Jessica's friend, I thought) Lainy Liu.
But I do think it's a sign of the thinness of her celebrity that Jessica could be washed away so quickly and easily; she seems to have lost all of her gigs and sponsorships in a matter of days.
Is there anyone at all who stood up for Jessica? Anyone who was sorry to see her go?
Transactional friends
Celebrities with deep support are people who have been around for many years, people who fans can see themselves reflected in: Jennifer Lopez, Reese Witherspoon, even Harry Styles.
Were one of those celebrities to make a serious misstep, they would probably be able to work their way back again. (Witherspoon did, actually; she was caught driving drunk in 2013 and told the arresting officer, "Don't you know who I am?")
Jessica, maybe, not so much. Did anyone ever really like Jessica?
Did Meghan? Or were they only transactional friends?
It will be interesting to see if the Duchess of Sussex, eternally polishing her woke credentials, says anything about her supposed good friend's sudden fall from grace.
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I have no idea what happened at the garden party, but to get embroiled in a conversation about abortion in the whole 20 minutes they were supposedly there, seems a bit off to me
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She didn't. She made a comment about the results on a recently held referendum on abortion in Ireland when her and Harry visited there for a very quick tour. The person she spoke to tweeted about that, regretted and then deleted the tweet but not before everyone had seen it. I can't remember if that tour was before or after they got married, but I think it was the latter.
Nothing she said at the garden party could have caused Charles to ask them to leave as he was not in earshot and did not hear anything they said. Even the accepting of the gift was not the cause as when she accepted the gift (nothing else she could do but be gracious, and as I said earlier, even the Queen has been in that position when a bunch of flowers was thrust at her) the aide was already on his way over to them (on instruction from Charles) to tell them it was time to leave.
The story that they were going on honeymoon makes no sense at all. The time spent at a garden party is only an hour and they left after 20 minutes. Any honeymoon plans could have waited another 40 minutes. Besides, if that was the reason they left early, they would be the one making an apology to Charles. Perhaps they sent a request to Charles (the aide did seem to be going back and forth between them and Charles) asking if they could now leave as they had a plane to catch or sent a reminder that they shouldn't stay too long for the same reason and Charles was annoyed and said 'well, let them leave now' or something like that, and he did not say goodbye to Meghan because he was annoyed.
I do wonder what the issue of the cameras was. Perhaps Harry was supposed to say something to Meghan but it was too public and he was not able to? (Harry said something to his father about the cameras on them in their brief conversation.)
Maybe Lady C will unravel the mystery for us!
"Catholic schools equip students to follow in the footsteps of the saints and take the redeeming message of the Gospel into the world – in every profession, every household, every neighborhood and across social classes."
https://lacatholics.org/departments-ministries/department-of-catholic-schools
My letter asks the superintendent to acknowledge my letter and requests a response. I will let you Nutties know if I get one.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have postponed the public launch of their Archewell project, after the coronavirus pandemic and Black Lives Matter movement coincided with their fresh start in America
The Duke and Duchess were expected to launch their non-profit organisation as they began their new working lives from Los Angeles in the spring, with its name now formally registered in the United States.
Instead, it is understood they will now postpone public announcements for the foreseeable future, with no official Archewell projects until next year.
Sources said the couple were responding to current affairs, redirecting their efforts to the Black Lives Matter cause and the wider repercussions of the Covid-19 pandemic....
Perhaps Markle was emulating vintage Madonna with her Virgin Mary pose...which made me recall Madonna's "Repentant Catholic" Like A Prayer phase from the late 1980's. MM now has pop icon on her list of delusional aspirations.
Well, I guess I've been looking at too many Markle blogs lately!
I'm the one who spoke about MM's cross-armed pose and faux look of concern and related it to an over-emoting silent film era actress. I do really dislike her contrived phony poses and fake facial expressions!
I too am Catholic and recognized the Virgin Mary pose, but thought it had already been discussed here - along with a link provided to a photo comparison of Meghan and a Rennaisance era painting. I guess I saw that somewhere else, but I do agree it was atrocious. And I also concur with CookieShark that it was a very odd pose to strike while speaking.
Then I posted the DM article on Lady Campbell's hint about the garden party... not realizing that Sandy already posted it under the quiz thread.
Sorry about that!!
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I never picked up on the Madonna pose, and I went to a catholic girls' school! Yep, she is striking a Madonna pose.
I did post about the garden party on the other thread, but folks only started sharing their opinion about it here, after your post. It has been an interesting and lively discussion.
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Nutty may want to start a new thread for a change oftipic but maybe she does not mind some change in direction.
In my opinion, the Harkles change direction often: a foundation, not a foundation; a charity, not a charity; a wellness website and whatever else we can think of, but maybe not that either; BLM and COVID-19 because they are really popular right now ... jackpot!
Geez Louise, they are flailing around like a couple of imbecile amateurs. They have no authority to talk on either and no connections (huge danger that they are going to hitch their wagon to a questionable character or organisation). At least Harry has connections and organisations already set up for the stuff he is interested in. Meghan is just trying to surf whatever wave looks good.
i think Archie is real, probably will the help of IVF and MM had him.
I also think PH is whipped and the claw has him willingly, not by means of blackmail. so PH has lost my respect for willingly going along and partnering with MM in her failed machinations.
i keep hoping he’ll come to his senses, and either do his duty or get a real job like the rest of us schmucks and stop sponging, living like his uncle, and begging for money.
burger king is hiring, he can get that crown MM wants.
I am aware of what Meghan said about abortion rights in Ireland which I find was an unwise thing to do because of the perception that she was making a political statement. However, I just found this declaration that it is ONLY the Queen which is constitutionally required to remain neutral according to this published piece (with link to follow);
"As the head of state, the Queen is required to stay out of political issues, and won't officially comment on them. The Queen's website says that she "has to remain strictly neutral with respect to political matters. While other members of the royal family are not subject to the rules, they are also expected to follow suit."
https://www.insider.com/meghan-markle-spoke-about-abortion-in-ireland-might-have-broken-royal-protocol-2018-7
So I am amazed at this; does or does not the royals (outside of the Queen) have the requirement to remain neutral on political things? Maybe a more erudite Nutty could provide some info. This could really change my judgement then of whether Meghan/or Harry may break protocol on such matters. I hate to have to cut her any slack LOL.
Then I would like to add that Ireland is indeed a very Catholic country not just in perception according to this factoid:
In the 2016 Irish census 78.3% of the population identified as Catholic in Ireland; numbering approximately 3.7 million people.
Northern Ireland has a much lesser number of people who identify as Catholics at only 41% which is approximately twice that of the US which is 22% or 77.4 million in numbers (2017).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11857315/prince-andrew-lose-hrh-title-calls/
PRINCE Andrew is facing a chorus of calls to be stripped of his HRH title because he will “never return to royal duties”.
Prince Phillip is still HRH and he has retired from doing royal duties (most unusual as retirement for a royal means death!). However, I notice that HRH was not used by the royal family in their birthday greetings for him. Has he retained the HRH but no longer uses it?
The Duchess of Kent decided in 2002 not to use the style "Her Royal Highness" and to reduce her royal duties. Since then she has been informally known as Katharine Kent or Katharine, Duchess of Kent, although her formal style (e.g. in the Court Circular) remains HRH The Duchess of Kent.
Prince Michael occasionally represents the Queen at some functions in Commonwealth realms outside the United Kingdom but he is not a working royal. I suppose his wife sometimes accompanies him. He is called His Royal Highness Prince Michael of Kent and his wife is called Her Royal Highness Princess Michael of Kent.
So, I do not think there is a clear-cut case for Andrew losing his HRH because he is no longer a working royal. I somehow think Prince and Princess Michael of Kent would kick up a fuss if their HRH was taken away!
Will Meghan be the only Duchess of Sussex? I do not think there was a Duchess of Sussex before her, and, even if they do divorce, she will probably be allowed to keep the title. They have decided that Archie will not have a title so when he marries, his wife will not become The Duchess of Sussex (with mummy Meghan being just Duchess of Sussex). If Harry marries again, his new wife might not want a title linked to Meghan ...
"....the answer can be found in her biography Goddess, in which Jimmy Starr of the Los Angeles Herald Express writes, "She learned a trick of cutting a quarter of an inch off one heel, so that when she walked, that little fanny would wiggle."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418025/Meghan-Markles-dilemma-ditch-best-friend-Jessica-Mulroney-racist-bully-shame.html
Meghan is under huge pressure to ditch the woman who, more than any other, guided her ascent from little-known American actress to the upper echelons of Canadian high society. And beyond.
Jessica Mulroney, 40, is no mere BFF (Best Friend Forever). She has been Meghan’s fixer, stylist and unofficial spokesman for years.
But amid the furore over the killing of George Floyd, she is now a monumental liability.
Per Wikipedia: Buffalo Chronicle: Posts fake news, often Canadian (see: https://www.canadalandshow.com/the-buffalo-chronicle-is-not-reliable/)
Apologies if "starving children" was too loose a phrase--truly, I didn't mean offense by that. Poor children would have been better. At any rate, the trip I was thinking of in particular was the one she took pre-Harry, to Rwanda, on behalf of World Vision. Photographs from that trip are in the article pasted below and I encourage you to seek out video from the trip as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-royals-wedding-rwanda/in-rwanda-children-urge-royal-meghan-to-keep-helping-poor-idUSKBN1I924X
In some photos it's amazing she doesn't take a tumble as it's not even a matter of one foot placed in right in front of the other but her legs appear crossed --- Her left foot appears to hit the ground on the right side of her body while her right foot is on the left side of her body (like in the top photo in this link https://www.eonline.com/amp/news/1156686/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-call-police-after-drones-fly-over-their-los-angeles-home-report)
Odd. Especially odd because in some photos where she's standing still she has a fairly "wide stance."
I think she is doing an intentional slut walk at times but I also think she's a little pigeon-toed.
JM knows where the bodies are buried, and I believe she is vindictive enough to go after MM and exact revenge (look what she tried to do to Sacha Exeter because of a stupid little social media spat).
Barbara from Montreal:
Not right now due to all the uproar due to the run-in with Sasha, but if Harry and Meghan eventually divorce in a few years, Jessica could probably land a decent book deal and spill everything.
Also, because Jessica is most likely one of the “five friends” if they are actual people and not fictitious friends created for the article by Meghan, Jessica could do huge damage to Meghan if she dutifully testifies in the lawsuit against the MoS. She could also let the cat out of the bag regarding Meghan’s pregnancy if Archie was actually a surrogate birth.
If Meghan still “privately” maintains her friendship with Jessica, it could possibly just be a case of Meghan following a modified version of the adage “Keep you friends close and your friends who know where all the bodies are buried closer.”
You'd think it couldn't get weirder. Doria has moved in and Harry is friends with Liza with a Z? Is this a joke?
I was wrong. I'm sorry.
MM and Messina “as close as sisters” ...That’s rich! Cinderella’s wicked stepsisters perhaps! Those two loved to scheme together But each would have turned her sister into a mincemeat pie if it meant winning the Prince. Metaphorically. Just was already married so she wasn’t interested in Harry, but in her own way she covered it as much being a star as Meg, Just in different fields.
I don’t like her one bit, but I hope she Writes a devastating tell all as a complement to Lady C’s book. Jessica has actually known Meg For six years or more, which Georgia cannot claim. Georgia’s Book is going to be some elegant tittle tattle, But Jess has the real dirt since she was there for a lot of it. Lady Colin Campbell cannot legitimately say that she’s smoke dope with Meg.
Sandie,
RE. Prince Andrew’s HRH
Andy is an odious man in ways I prefer not to dwell upon, but I cannot believe he would ever be stripped of his titles. They are his by birthright as a child of the sovereign. He’s no longer representing the family, but even the Duke of Windsor got to keep his HRH after the Abdication, and he certainly was not representing the Crown. He was quite antagonistic to it in fact, and he and while this attempted to do exactly what Meg and Harry are doing… Set up arrival Windsor Court As the glamorous, “fun” Royals. It flopped for them just as it’s flopping for the Harkles, and David’s profile could not have been higher, or he more popular before he left. Harry wasn’t even in that ballpark. He was still a Prince of the blood though as is Andrew and as is Harry. I don’t care what they call themselves,As long as we don’t have to see them. Or hear from them. At least Andrew is having the decency to keep out of sight and stay quiet. I think we will only see him briefly at Christmas, and if Bea ever gets married.
So funny. Meg has a real sister- how close are they?
Clown world, are they trolling us at this point?
if what I just read is true. So I'm asking Nutties if anyone has heard Doria is moving in with them to help with Archie ,an unofficial nanny. Also a new rumor Harry is talking about talking to and leaning on Liza Minelli . First why do two adults who have to stay home all day and don't have jobs where they have to have an office and work from home , need anyone else but them? And Liza Minelli has been in rehab before for substance abuse. So what's cooking? Is Meghan going to use her mom to help sort out the mess with JM? Is Harry really having issues with substance abuse? Or is Meghan already setting him up for the blame if she leaves him? What the heck is going on?
I could be very wrong. Let’s wait and see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have really fallen off your high horse when you find you are in the social strata of Liza M!
Perhaps Liza M. has been called in to advise Meghan what NOT to do with respect to plastic surgery. A cautionary tale, if you will...
I agree. I didn't notice anything racist about it.
Just a bitch being a bitch.
Imust disagree. Liza Minelli is a Hollywood legend, beyond the famous mother, she's earned the elusive EGOT -- Emmy/Grammy/Oscar/Tony award winner. Drinking and drugging are standard in Hollywood, and she's beloved by so many who have worked with her.
She's reportedly in poor health, so I doubt she has much time or energy to take on Harry's vast array of troubles. Elton John may have nudged her into a comforting phone call about the difficulty of being the child of a legend that dies tragically.
These recent attempts at publicity seem so scrapped from the bottom of the idea pile. Aren't they supposed to be talking up BLM, rather than their social calendar?
Doria moving in to help with Archie? Thought they had a nanny. And i really doubt Doria is interested in living with them. She has her own house and her own life.
The DM also mentioned they are interested in buying the $8m home & it has a granny cottage. Are they talking about Tyler's place? I thought it was reportedly worth alot more than that.
I don't think they know what they are doing.
The DM quoted the price of Tyler’s home in £ = pounds sterling £8 million not $8 million. In previous articles they quoted the house price in dollars around $13 million I believe. ;o)
I don’t believe any stories about them buying anything until it actually happens.
".... Jimmy Starr of the Los Angeles Herald Express writes, "She learned a trick of cutting a quarter of an inch off one heel, so that when she walked, that little fanny would wiggle."
Lol lol this doesn’t interpret well in Britain in any way! It’s saucy rude! Lol Clue, we call them bums overhere. ;o)
I think this all just a PR move to placate the SJWs. As soon as this shit hit the fan, she was on the phone reassuring JM that nothing had changed, but that her hand had been forced and to just sit out the drama.
MM can't afford to lose any connections.
Sasha Exeter therefore reproached JM for not doing enough and asked him to participate in the Black Lives Matter movement using his social networks. By what right and why did JM have to do anything?
To put it plainly, one must obey the orders of political correctness.
The new macarthyism has arrived!
The witch hunt.
JM tries to put an end to the polemic by reminding us of a necessary courtesy. What happened next was a series of very problematic behaviours and antics that finally led JM to send a threat. Then the situation was reversed! JM apologizes with "maxima mea culpa"!
She should never have apologized. In fact, she should never have engaged in this conversation. That's the lesson to be learned from all this.
"To apologize is to blame yourself."
Racism must be fought, of course. But forcing a person to engage in a social movement by making derogatory remarks is not acceptable.
We have entered the dictatorship of the social networks.
This comedy is pathetic, but it's about two stupid women.
I was brought up as a Nonconformist - ie in England, a protestant outside the C of E. I've gravitated tho' to the Catholic wing of the CofE, of whom many members are indistinguishable from Roman Catholics, except for not accepting the authority of the Pope. Roughly, like the state of the English church when Henry VIII first broke with Rome.
Catholic culture is so much more visual - symbolism is important - saints have their `attributes' (St Peter his keys, Laurence his roasting grid, for eg). It gave me a flying start when I studied Italian Renaissance painting, and even Dutch still life work.
A bit OT: Some C17th Dutch religious painters produced paintings which a Protestant would see as a skilful still-life study of fruit and tableware but a Catholic would `read' as a reference to the Eucharist.
If you're interested, the de Heem at the Barber institute in Birmingham shows this:
http://barber.org.uk/jan-davidsz-de-heem-1606-16834/
It's a painting a secret Catholic could safely display without being discovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencer_marketing
Celebrity endorsements are nothing new - take G&S's Duchess of Plaza Toro spoof for example, but a lot of wannabe `influencers' are nonentities, enabled by social media.
Is that classed as “High Church?”
I also begin to wonder if their marriage will survive this. You have to have strong bonds to survive disintegration like this one.
I also hear the horse that had been injured by protesters in London had to be put down. This senseless, mindless violence is disgusting. Horse did nothing wrong.
I’m thinking half an inch off the heel, her fanny would be totally confused?
Explains her awkward walk 😜
@Rut @Ziggy - Sasha Exeter specifically states that she wasn’t call JM a racist. She says that JM used her status and White privilege and tried to take down her livelihood. If you have followed storyline, it also didn’t stem from a disagreement. JM rightfully gets called out, publicly she apologized but privately threatened to sue her. JM comes across looking like a major snobby bitch that can’t spell. Then she apologizes again essentially saying “I’m friends with a black person” as her defense. She was definitely trying to throw status, wealth, power and whiteness (inadvertently) around. But I think that’s part of what this movement is all about it. Whites don’t even realize they automatically have an advantage. It’s not their fault obviously, because you can’t choose your skin color, but I think the movement is about just realizing whites have it.
I’m rather confused about the $10 million rented house Doris Harry & Megs are now staying. Tyler Perry’s house was always listed as $18 million and I don’t remember any articles claiming they “rented” Perry’s.
I also hear the horse that had been injured by protesters in London had to be put down.
Not true according to Metropolitamn Police
@Sandie They have decided that Archie will not have a title so when he marries, his wife will not become The Duchess of Sussex (with mummy Meghan being just Duchess of Sussex).
If he wants it Archie after Harry's death Archie can petition for title.
@Lt Uhura
What kind of fall-out was there regarding the Judy Garland movie? I haven't seen it yet so I also have not read up on any news about it.😁
Wait, wasn't that a movie about Liza?
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No, supposedly it was a biopic on Judy, that Liza didn't agree with -- see https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/06/liza-minnelli-renee-zellweger-judy-garland-biopic
I so hope the Met police tells the truth and the rumor about the horse is wrong.
@ Rut Imabug Ziggy
I am not convinced "libel" spelled as "liable" was a full blown spelling error. My phone often replaces words as I type, and if I miss this my message becomes strange indeed. This sounds like an autocorrect mischief to me.
But you are right, Jessica didn't behave as a decent human being in the story. Had she simply replied to Sasha's message respectfully and thoughtfully, none of this would have happened. I often find people with deep personal problems choose to threaten others where it is totally unnecessary and uncalled for. This desire to hurt others may stem from issues Jessica has. Her IG posts suggest she has some issues with self - image, she lashed out at criticism before.
Well she got more than enough punishment.
I do not feel Markle will emerge unscathed out of it either. Would you trust her to be your friend after she threw Jessica to raptors so quickly? And she owns a great deal to Mulroneys. You have to be out of your mind to let somebody like Markle close to you after this.
@WildBoar
Is that classed as “High Church?”
Yes!
In my day, it was a case of one friend buying a pair of day-glo socks in shocking pink and the other a pair in lime green. They then exchanged a single sock so they had `matching odd' socks.
Are they the pair of odd socks in life's laundrette?
Holes are appearing...
H is struggling
H has never been happier
They've never been more in love
The marriage is struggling
She wants to get big acting deals
She's never returning to acting again
They're looking at mansions to buy
They're holding off buying until the one-year review is over
Doria is moving in
They haven't seen or talked to Doria since they moved to the US
Some celebrity has taken them under their wing
They're lonely because nobody in Hollywood will talk to them
They're on the verge of a big breakthrough
They aren't getting any jobs at all and may have to move back to the UK
Thanks. I prefer the old school, low Church.
"Throwing whitnes around" please.
Rite 1 is the only form of Anglican/Episcopal liturgy that matters. IMO. The language is so beautiful, so uplifting, that even as a young child, not only did I know what it meant, it made me want to try and be a proper Christian to this day, knowing that one can only aspire, not attain, until the final crossover. The language itself is a small attempt to give honor to G-d. Just like fine music, fine art, architecture and the like. It is in tune with the music of the spheres.
I apologize for going O/T.
The most weird thing about pictures of Markle and Mulroney together is you can't really say who is biracial and who is white. They look the same.
So much for "I have a black friend".
"Are they the pair of odd socks in life's laundrette?"
Lol that's a good one! And just like typical used socks, they're not a pair anymore.
Thank you for the reference to the particular Dutch style of paining. I have seen examples and appreciated it but never knew the meanings of the compositions. Just read up on Jan Davidsz de Heem and his prolific family of painters in that style. Once again, your OT are quite informative and very interesting (far more than disasterous duo btw.)
Based on prior readings of public engagement protocol, I understood they are SUPPOSED to graciously accept small gifts (flowers, notes, teddy bears) and then hand them off to an assistant. You see Kate doing this all the time in public interactions (large crowds, etc).
I do not know if the same public greeting and gift-receipt protocol would be the same at a private garden party, I'm not British and have only learned all these tiny tidbits from my Markle fascination.
Nonetheless, my point is I don't think she did anything wrong w/ the gift - can't wait for Lady C's reveal.
As for JM - she said "you think your voice matters" to that Sasha girl. That is SO F'ED of a thing to say from white person to black person during Black Lives Matter. In my opinion, that was the most bitchiest, potentially racist comment.
JM cannot afford to do a tell-all on MM as you all keep suggesting, much as I myself would LOVE THAT. It is HIGHLY LIKELY MM has a trove of dirt on JM as well - with both of them being insanely bitchy psychos I don't think JM can afford to piss of MM like that, like mutually assured destruction.
>>>>White people don't throw their whitness around when in an argument with a non white person. We just argue.<<<
Unfortunately, some white people do throw their whiteness around INDIRECTLY....by using the infamous 'N' word against the black person. (I am afraid to even write this, and I apologize)
Of course, name-calling exists no matter what group you're talking about.
I think Jessica was in the wrong for threatening Sasha's livelihood without legitimate reason.
That way of “walking” is also called “race walking””. It is a recognized sport and is an event in the Senior Olympics in the USA. It is great for core muscles and balance. It looks easy, but lining your feet up properly, remaining balanced, and using one’s arms properly is hard. I do it to improve my balance.
I would never wear heels and walk that way.
@Lt — I’m Rite 1 all the way, also. Absolutely beautiful service.
She is trying to establish her "BLM Cred".
Which is not unlike Jessica trying to use MM to prove she has a black friend and therefore can't be racist.
If course, dusting old Doria off and using her as the nanny has some serious "Gone with the Wind" vibes, so it could easily backfire. If Diana was alive, she would never be considered the nanny, officially or unofficially.
Actually, it wasn't 24 hours. the stories about JM being fired appeared in the media in the morning and by mid-afternoon of the same day, the media were reporting that MM was "mortified" by JM's behavior and would no longer be associated with her. I'd say it took 6 hours, maximum.
JM cannot afford to do a tell-all on MM as you all keep suggesting, much as I myself would LOVE THAT. It is HIGHLY LIKELY MM has a trove of dirt on JM as well - with both of them being insanely bitchy psychos I don't think JM can afford to piss of MM like that, like mutually assured destruction.
At this point, JM really doesn't have much to lose. She might want to start leaking a few things "anonymously" at first, though.
Thanks for the archdiocesan address! I will be using it!
With regard to your later post about only the Queen being obliged to remain politically neutral, that is true at the most basic level.
However, in order not to cause either the Queen or the government of the day any embarrassment, members of the BRF have refrained from making overtly controversial political comments. This dates back to Victoria.
Markle making a triumphant crowing remark about abortion when representing the Queen in a Catholic country is beyond the pale. And to add fuel to the flames, the relations between the UK and Ireland have been fraught for hundreds of years. It is only now that peace is becoming the norm. And one of the reasons for that cultural peace was the visit of the Queen to Dublin. In her unique way she held out the hand of peace and many Irish people took her to their hearts.
Then along comes the Markle woman with her tone deaf and ignorant jibe. She is, of course, entitled to her opinion in the abortion debate, but NOT when representing the UK and the Queen while visiting a country like Ireland where history between it and the UK is so weighty and complex.
I don't know whose stupid idea it was to send Hapless and Markle to Dublin, but they need sacking!
Posted by Bellemmi #127097
When you look at this objectively one of the people most mistreated in all of this is Doria. From the moment the idiot Prince announced to the entire world that M2 didn’t have a family because that is what M2 told him. And he had MET Doria. Can you imagine how crushing that must have been?
And then the wedding. With Doria seated alone in an empty pew. I am supposed to believe there wasn’t ONE person that could have come with her so she wouldn’t have sit alone? And what about all the other functions around the wedding she had to face alone? Certainly M2 wasn’t hanging with her at the wedding breakfast or cocktail party.
Then Doria is brought over to stand there at the cookbook launch. What for? To add some color.
And every time M2 wanted some cred Or “look I have a family” there as a Doria as nanny story. As if being a gran was not enough she had to be the help. They even described where she would live as “quarters”. Um, what?
Then the big baby shower. Which Doria didn’t attend but Gayle King, who hadn’t even met M2, did.
Then the christening comes & after dragging out Doria for the book launch she isn’t seen at the christening except in a still photo. And did I miss the photo where she as holding her grandson?
and M2’s speech in SA “I want you to know that for me, I am here with you as a mother, as a wife, as a woman, as a woman of color, and as your sister“. Know what she didn’t say? DAUGHTER. The very reason you are black is the thing you left out Sis.
Here is the thing, everything about Doria has been exactly what the RF wanted from M2. She shows up looking beautifully put together, does her duty the way it should be done, doesn’t explain, doesn’t complain, zero leaks about what she thinks or feels, keeps her private life private.
Doria figured out how to navigate all of this mess under extreme pressure & stress. With a daughter who alternately ghosts, disrespects & tokenizes her for PR.
I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but from what I’ve observed the only one acting regal in M2’s world is Doria (And that includes JCMH). Perhaps had she had more Ragland around her she wouldn’t have screwed up the greatest deal anyone could ever get in only 2 years. Shoulda leaned in to the Raglands & not the Mulroneys.
I learn so much here. People bring a lot to the table about things I didn't know or hadn't thought of in that way.
Thank you Nutty for bringing us together (and thank you for your comments).
Agree with your entire post.
I find referring to Doria as a nanny extremely insulting to her. That wouldn't happen if she was *any* white woman.
If she was white, there would be no talk of her coming to live with the Harkles at all.
They might talk about her visiting for a few days. And would refer to her as staying in the guest room, not quarters.
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I didn’t know that Ben lost his job. Wow!
and this (see 1st reply): https://twitter.com/MandyGerseygal/status/1271461525530775553
But this is probably much closer to why they were given the boot:
https://twitter.com/SilcockMon/status/1271780266227445761
or this: https://twitter.com/LouLouLa10/status/1272186331003748353
Alas, only time will tell.
Lol lol I couldn’t resist and pass on the CatsEyes fanny mention. It read so funny, especially when you associate it with Megsy! I learnt a few good years ago what it meant in America, I feel for any American who says it whilst in Blighty though. Lol
Wullie’sBucket the name Fanny is really old fashioned...like Gertrude, Edith etc. It would raise a few giggles these days; it’s a ladies front bottom, (I’m being overly polite) but I think you guessed that. ;o) lol
https://twitter.com/search?q=meghan%20harry%20%20bee&src=typed_query
Very well said about Meghan!
I wish the black community would call her out on her almost 'Uncle Tom' behavior for most of her life, and her reticent identification and approval of her black heritage only when it brings some kind of positive PR because of her so-called "standing up" for a timely issue much like her identification as a feminist, humanitarian, devoted wife or concerned mother.
What has she ever really done to promote any of these other than throw a few words out here and there. Humanitarian, well that is the biggest joke. Has she created one worthwhile thing for the sake of the poor. the downtrodden, the disenfranchised, the lowly of society anywhere in the world...NO! Unless you count her photo op handing out a few menstrual pads, Lol. I also don't find her treatment of Archie as evidence of her being some kind of phenomenal mother nor does she treat Harry in public, like a respectful wife IMO. As for feminism, I don't see her standing up for equal pay, equal opportunities for woman but I guess she does speak up for abortion rights, well words are cheap. She doesn't protest or give any donations to Planned Parenthood (as I think if she did we would hear of it). I am NOT agreeing or trying to make a political statement. Besides some well know advocates of black women don't agree abortion is the answer as they consider it racial genocide. A great outspoken African woman is Obianuju Ekeocha FTR who even took on Melinda Gates.
Also agree that Doria is shady. IMO, she is quite happy living under the radar with her partner. Which, I’m wondering, whose decision was it to not include Doria’s partner at the wedding? We know that MM doesn’t really support BLM. Maybe she doesn’t support LGBTQ either? Or maybe Doria prefers to keep her relationship private.
Re Ben Mulroney
I saw a post on Deceiteful Duchess that he had been replaced. I didn't go into details, just thought it was unusually quick.
His replacement name is Liu. DD uses her tweet. Perhaps old news?
Maybe MM is like Amber Heard. Uses men for money but actually prefers women,
And notice that Markus is still MIA since the baby shower. Maybe this is the secret of this guy’s success. Arrange deals and then stay under the radar.
I think Doria has always been on the payroll.
The speech in SA was plagiarised from the speech gave at the opening of Diana’s Garden.
Excellent comment about Doria!! So, so true. Thank you for sharing that!
Re. MM’s connection to JM
Over on Harry Markle, She has an extremely detailed timeline of Meg’s movements since circa 2011. That is the year Meg came to Toronto for Suits, and presumably around this time she was introduced to the Soho crowd, including Marcus Anderson and the Mulroneys. At that time, Jess would’ve been the mother of year-old twins, so it’s unlikely that she would have spent a lot of time partying with a single TV actress on the make. A year or so later she got pregnant with her daughter, so for the first three or four years Meg lived in Toronto, Jess was either pregnant or taking care of infants. The TIG didn’t get started until 2014 But Harry Markel has dissected that blog like she is a forensic detective. After the start of the blog, Meg observed a couple of birthdays and other significant life events without a peep from Jessica, leading Harry Markle to conclude that while they might have been introduced earlier, JM did not actually start spending time with Megan enough to be called her best friend until as late as 2016, just a year or year and a half at most before the engagement. Or put another way, JM Became her best girlfriends/confidant at the exact same time Meg started dating hairy. Given Jessica’s connection to Soho House, isn’t that coincidental?
I dispute that MM and JM have been ‘like sisters’ for nearly a decade, Though that is what both of them would like us to believe. I think the significant part of their friendship has been less than five years, All of that time spent with an eye toward promoting themselves hand in glove. I don’t think there’s ever an opportunity MM has let pass by her; the pictures of the two of them together are definitely a lot more intimate looking Then I have ever purchased with my female friends. I could see Meg being bisexual if it promoted her interests in some way. I think she exploits sex with men in the same way. Meg loves neither man nor woman, only herself... I think she will do whatever, or whoever, is most expedient in the moment. It is said that sociopaths really don’t have a sex drive the same as other peoples; just as they have learn to play a part at “being human“ and stimulating emotions they do not feel in order to manipulate others, I think sex for them is it means to exert control and power… And in some cases, to earn financial rewards. Not something done strictly for love or pleasure, but as a transaction to advance themselves. I have no difficulty Megwood pretend to be lesbian or bi or a nymphomaniac with men, Whatever the situation called. She thinks absolutely nothing of switching up her religious affiliation... Church of England was at least her fourth religious flavor that she adopted to suit her surroundings. Aping is sexual identity not her own would not be a stretch. Meg likes to go after men, especially other women‘s husbands, because men generally have the kind of power and money she’s interested in for herself, and men can be more easily manipulated with the feminine wiles act. I really think megs only genuine emotions are rage, jealousy, competitiveness, and greed. Her schizophrenic “humanitarian“ message, changing Pet Causes and plans several times weekly is A symptom of her fundamental vacuum of self. She has no authentic core, and without that, a substantial and authentic presence is not possible. She figured she could just skate by as a social media construct and get everything she ever wanted, but everyone’s wising up to the fact that she is completely empty inside. It amazes me that there are still any stans out there I believe Megan is ever going to stand for anything besides what gets Megan a luxe life. That is all she cares about, but she’s never going to have enough to sate her endless thirstiness.
I just want to-say that you are a very refresh, refreshing splash upon the scene here at Nuttys blog
What I like here at Nutty-ville is the space to say the obvious and the politically incorrect
Thanks nutty!
Indeed, free people stay in guest rooms or guest houses. Slaves and hired help stay in the slave or servant's quarters. It would be EXTREMELY insulting to talk about a parent staying in the 'quarters' which states that they are not considered good enough to be with the family.
Hard to believe that she would insult her own mother like that until you think about how she treated her father first.
My grandparents from Ireland called butt/ bottom your "patoot".
I don't believe MM or JM have any plans to reveal each other's secrets whether they stay friends in private or not. EXCEPT , if JM has to testify in court. If thru had plans for her to lie that may very well not happen because JM is already in deep doodoo . And she could use it as an excuse . "I can't lie in court now , can't take any chances".
Your analysis of Meghan is extreme, but in my personal opinion is spot on.
IMO, when we try to analyse her words and actions and predict what will come next, we are applying the rational rules of behaviour for normal people. Those do not apply with Meghan. Also, we tend to believe that everything she does is calculated and planned and forget the warped mind/persona behind all of it and the fury of a narcissist slighted or even who has perceived a slight where no normal and rational person would.
There are two parts of her life that do not fit the picture: Trevor and Suits, in how long she stuck with both.
Trevor: she held on to him until she got the role in Suits (but even then I think it was a year before she cut him off). No sign of trouble in paradise before then and they even had a romantic Valentines Day together (according to her IG) just before she hit him with the divorce. He was useful to her. Not only was he a producer going somewhere, but I suspect that he had a lot that is solid in his life (family, friends, well liked in industry, talented ...). I would go as far as to say she may regret that she did not stick with him because she would have the very life that she is struggling to get now in Hollywood.
Suits: My only explanation for her long tenure on Suits was that she had no other option (until Harry came along), unless she wanted to become a Hallmark regular and they just do not get the fame and recognition she wanted although I think financially they can secure themselves for life quite comfortably; she only had to be on set when she was in a scene so she could feel like a star; she had plenty of time off so she could have lots of holidays and do lots of other work; she could use it to get into other places (Soho House, TV gigs, magazine spreads, merching deals ...). I have no proof, but I suspect that the producers at Suits used the relationship with Harry to drop her as soon as they could, especially as her partner in the series wanted to move on.
https://1234brewster.tumblr.com/post/620922539660673024
I just looked it up on Merriam-Webster online:
quarters plural : living accommodations : LODGINGS
I'll show you to your quarters
Nothing racial there.
Doesn't look like Ben lost his job or I do not understand what is going on.
As for Deceteful Duchess post:
Lainey Lui announces she is now the full time host of the CTV Etalk, replacing Ben Mulroney.
I looked it up and Etalk still lists Ben Mulroney as the host. Not that it matters.
From now on I will check every single piece of information twice. Too much manure floating around in this Markle show.
I am happy when people correct misleading information. Otherwise how can we swim in the sea of conflicting stories? We would sink in the stupid rumors otherwise. And I always enjoy talking to you anyway!
I lived in a old established area of Dallas with very expensive homes and yes indeed, we referred to additional housing on a property (such as a garage apt or a small cottage) as "quarters". The term has been used in real estate advertising such mansions as having "quarters". It does stem from the bygone days of having servants/slaves. Texas is a southern state so maybe its use is more common here in usage unless one is carefully trying not to offend (substituting mother-in-law apt instead).
I also might add the wealthy here do employ "domestic help" and as a child it was not unusual for me to see black ladies in uniforms waiting at bus stops in the wealthier areas and the only thing different now is that one might see hispanic ladies and they are less numerous (or less obvious). I find the reference to Doria being a 'nanny' is offensive as she is first and foremost a Grandmother not an occupational title. I could not imagine referring to my deceased mother as a nanny when she cared for my children when I worked.
Has anyone here seen the Lana Turner film "Imitation of Life"? One of my all time favorites. It sometimes is shown on Turner Classic movies. Anyway, there is a subplot about Lana's housekeeper/personal assistant who is black and has a light-skinned daughter who tries to pass for white. It is a tearjerker....very well-done. I cry every time I watch it, especially the funeral scene when Mahalia Jackson sings. Even my husband, who has no patience for these kind of films, made it to the end and said he enjoyed it.
The last time I watched it, I thought of Meghan and Doria.
>>>I was just looking @ a tumblr page & saw a picture of Thomas Jr. & a child sitting on his lap & that child look so much like Archie it's amazing!!! I wonder if that's Thomas, Jr.'s son?!?<<<
Good catch! The resemblance down to the ears even is so similar. Most likely it is one of Tom's sons when they were young as he has two. If so, and Meghan really gave birth to her own biological son, then I can see a strong family resemblance to the Markle side (if one can trust baby photos to reflect it). I sometimes think little babies just look like each other so easily though, you know the button nose, cute cupid bow mouth, big eyes, etc...
Like the rest of you, I am wondering what MM did to get herself and JH thrown out of the garden party. I pre-ordered Lady Colin Campbell`s book, but it won`t come out until the end of July. BTW, Tumblr has a video clip of the garden party, with the dastardly duo standing next to Charles and Camilla. Camilla has her back to MM and you can see MM giving her The Look - the same poisonous, hateful stare we've seen her give Kate. It`s only for a few seconds and then MM turns her head away, but man, it`s chilling.
The ‘F’ word isn’t a big deal here in Britain, and most certainly not in those circles. The ‘C’ word is a word you don’t utter overhere though. Regardless, I don’t think swearing is the thing Megsy did at the garden party.
https://twitter.com/yankeewally2/status/1272242459842576385
@yankeewally2
WHERES THE REST OF THE £500K YOU MADE OFF COPYRIGHTING THOSE WOMENS RECIPES!! #MEGHANMARKLE where is the money? #GrenfellTower NEEDS THEIR MONEY #MEGXIT
The LSA post was very interesting. I don't think she came across as mischievous or superior at the wedding at all. I thought she appeared uncomfortable. Maybe it was the setting, not knowing anymore - and perhaps it's as simple as not even really knowing her own daughter. I think Megsy and Doria's relationship is VERY strange. But then, I have a quite typical relationship with my mom. Doria might have a shady past but the LSA article is correct that she shows up, doesn't cause drama, looks great, and is someone who actually cares about her privacy. Megs is clearly using her, but I'm sure she is also manipulating Doria somehow, maybe through guilt.
Re: Garden Party
I don't know what happened, but it clearly happened quickly. I don't think Camilla was behind it though. When Charles calls Harry over, Camilla looks a bit surprised that they are leaving, before she hugs/kisses Harry and Meghan goodbye. I'll be interested in hearing the real story behind it. Also, at that point, 4 days after the wedding, I'm not sure Camilla would've asked to have Megs removed. She was still trying to embrace the couple.
Side note: I don't think the black community would turn its back on Meg right now regardless of how she endorses BLM. As Sasha Exeter said in her video about JM, Megs is currently one of the most recognized black women in the world. As much as I wish that weren't the case, marrying Prince Harry did get her that status.
Interesting. Did she really copyright the recipes? She is not the author (she only wrote the forward) or the publisher.
Maybe she got paid to write the forward???
Interesting, so Stormzy and Adele have released statements about the online Grenfell Memorial which they attended, but not Mayhem. Guess she was not invited or maybe she was waiting for Doria to show up for nanny duties from her servant 'quarters' or maybe she is doing her own video and will release separately. Either she will do her Virgin Mary pose again or perhaps cook some recipes in solidarity.
Spot on when you say MM neither loves men or women, but only herself. I also really like your reasoning on why she changes her interests based on what's trending in the news.
It must be AWFUL to be so empty inside, no authentic self, and yet be a true narc believing you are the center of the universe. It must be exhausting and lonely.
I thought she looked surprised, too. But was too polite to question it.
Which tells us that it wasn't planned ahead of time for the Harkles to only stay a short time.
Camilla appeared to have no idea what was going on, as in didn't know why they were leaving, but it wasn't the place or time to question it.
She didn't appear to have any animosity towards either H or M, which you'd think she would have if she was the one that had told Charles that M was acting up.
Agree that whatever triggered it, it was quick. Courtier saw/heard something, ordered up the car, then told Charles the car was ready for the Harkles to leave, Charles had a word with H.
The courtiers clearly knew what was up before Charles had the word with H. They were hovering in the background clearly ready to escourt the Harkles out. They already knew what was up before Charles said anything to H.
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Back to regularly scheduled comments.
I expect there are no pictures because Charles probably hasn't seen Archie since the christening.
I find that part incredibly odd.
But then Harry and Meg are odd, so I guess not surprising at all.
"I have to agree that Doria is on the payroll."
I agree. Doria was definitely too young to collect social security when she quit her social work job back shortly before the wedding. She is now 63 so she could have started to collect last year at 62 although it would have been a permanently reduced benefit since she'd not reached her full retirement age of ~ 66. But even if she waited to collect at her full retirement age, I doubt she could collect much because of her work history (entry-level social work without full licensure and that was for less than 3 years, part-time yoga instructor, temp jobs...)
The average social security check in 2020 is ~ $1500/month and given what we know of her work history, I doubt she'd collect even that much. Yet she's been photographed driving a late model SUV, has to be paying fairly hefty property taxes on her house, plus house upkeep, expensive CA gas, food, utilities, so I agree she's "on the payroll" and has been for some time.
I can't imagine she'd move in with M&H though. She does own her house (inherited perhaps through some dubious treatment of her half-brother), purportedly has a partner, definitely has two dogs, and doesn't seem to have much of a relationship with M...of course, maybe she'd drop her partner (and her dogs) for seemingly greener pastures. That tendency tends to run in the family!
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@MustySyphone also wrote:
"Does anyone else find it strange there is not a single picture of Charles holding Archie?"
Maybe. Maybe not. Except for the christening photos we didn't see Charles holding George either. When George was a few years old a photo from early on emerged that showed Charles holding a swaddled infant George while Will looked on. But I think George was at least 3 before that photo was public. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure we've ever seen a photo of Charles holding Charlotte as a baby either. (And recall according to various press outlets, for a time supposedly Charles thought the Middletons got all the grandparents' time.) It's really only been in the last couple of years we've seen Charles photographed with any of the Cambridge kids. And I think if the Archie christening hadn't been so weirdly handled (probably to hide the godparents...like a Jewish godmother who usually wouldn't pass muster in the COE...A godparent is to teach Christian values, after all), I'm not sure we'd think Archie was being quite so "withheld" including from Charles.
She cannot collect on Thomas' social security as they weren't married long enough and hers, discounted for early retirement, would be very tiny indeed. Perhaps she is able to draw from a pension that he earned as a lighting professional. Perhaps she is married to her current partner and is drawing from hers.
@SwampWoman
If she was married to her current partner I would think one of the nutties would have discovered it. We "suspect" the partner is another woman but we have actually never seen her (as far as I know). Lots of mysteries here, way more than the average person I dare say. to which I must add "why?". Why is there so much mystery surrounding MeMe and Doria????
I would think any familia pictures with Archie would have been shown on IG for his birthday. Would seem appropriate anyway. Also he is way farther down the line than say George or Charlotte so not sure if protocol is involved. And when did MeMe ever follow protocol anyway? I would have thought she would want pictures of Archie with a Senior Royal plastered all over the internet to show they are still Royal not royal.
Jinx...but you said it first! Lol
A proper Jag is like Inspector Morse's Jaguar. ❤❤ FFS.
I have an opinion about the Mulroney mess because I'm opiniated AF (and it's probably an unpopular opinion) but don't feel like talking about it this morning. Maybe later. Just interested in hearing what others think about it for now.
Didn't the Queen have a Jag-Daimler? 🇬🇧
But nooooooo the vintage Six isn't a politically-correct gift. All these lame Slebs & and their communal narcissm & performative activism...
I'm glad all the fake-wokies are getting exposed.
Plato said: "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something."
Fools pressuring fools to perform hollow statements they don't even mean. Why does this culture encourage people to lie? Just let people live their truths.
Also, I'm not a fan of this "guilty until proven innocent" mindset that accuses anyone on English-speaking social media who doesn't "say something JUST BECAUSE" as being racist. People have their own reasons for their supposed "silence".
I didn't say anything because I didn't want my fellow Indonesians to think that I thought American Lives Matter but Indonesian lives don't. (FTR, I avoid commenting about Indonesian politics on social media for personal reasons.) That doesn't make me a racist a-hole who doesn't care about human rights violations in a developed country.
Why should America's own internal fight against racists within their own country make them into cultural neo-colonialists toward other countries? Even the English police (the ones who are too PC & afraid to offend to function) are being targeted... For the police brutality in another country?? What is going on.
Jessica Mulroney is married into a political family, maybe she's the same & can't talk about politics without consulting to her in-laws. Meghan Markle on the other hand is an American citizen known for whining about being subject to racism is HORRIBLE EVIL SCARY BIGOTED ENGLAND & should have said something sooner.
That being said, Jessica Mulroney deserves all the backlash she got for threatening a less privileged person's livelihood.
Well whatever Doria's source of income is , I wish it was mine! She's doing way better than I am and I worked (hard), got several advanced degrees and .....
Heh. Very, very true.
Why should America's own internal fight against racists within their own country make them into cultural neo-colonialists toward other countries? Even the English police (the ones who are too PC & afraid to offend to function) are being targeted... For the police brutality in another country?? What is going on.
Hello, Scandi! Are your classes still cancelled, have they been restarted, or will they be resuming in the fall?
In answer to your above question, "what is going on?" I would have to answer political theater with coordinated actions globally.
Re woman in the video: hard to say. I've looked several times, it seems the woman with the dogs and red handbag has a higher hairline than the one coming out of Doria's place. I know it could be a receding hairline but in a matter of 2 1/2 years?
The pix are not detailed enough to say own way or the other.
I just think she is jelous of that. She wants people to see HER, to listen to HER to listen to HER to respect HER
Since we don't we are not allowed to see Archie.
But then, Americans and other nationalities can't see him either. Surely, photos of Archie - with his mother, naturally - would be an excuse for more publicity for her?
https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2020061591571/liza-minnelli-denies-knowing-prince-harry-meghan-markle/
Taking to her official Facebook account, the star, 74, wrote: "While I wish them well, I have never met Prince Harry and Meghan. Any statement to the contrary is a complete fabrication."
But unless I'm misreading, a caption on a still photo in article #1 seems to describe the woman as a client from Didi Hirsch Mental Health/Substance Abuse Services Doria was visiting
who lives in a low-income housing building in Marina del Rey. (And to me, the small boxes look like they could be drug samples.)
I don't know if the photo caption was accurate. And it's not clear how the press would have gotten to the client's home or known the woman was a client. But I'm really not convinced the dwelling the woman emerges from is Doria's house. See picture #3 and #4 in this link for pictures of Doria's house. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7594009/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-Archie-LA-Thanksgiving-grandmother-Doria-Ragland.html
I don't see how the parking situation shown in the video, the height of the building shown, the beige color and the style of the building shown, and the tallish white metal gate in the longer video could exist on that tiled roofed, red-gated, yellow-painted bungalow property. The dwelling in the video looks more like a semi-modern apartment building than a 1940's bungalow.
But if she was a client, not only was it unfortunate for her picture to be published (although maybe she gave permission), it would have been quite odd for Doria to later hire her as a dog-walker/house-sitter (the woman's description in article #2 from @Unknown's post.) While the woman likely could have needed money if she'd been living in low-income housing, usually mental health professionals don't engage in direct employer/employee relationships with clients OR ex-clients. Hiring a client/ex-client wouldn't be as forbidden as having a sexual relationship. But it still would have been odd to hire a client or ex-client and hand over a key to one's home as that brings into question boundaries.
If Doria doesn't have a partner though, then her financial situation is even more inexplicable in terms of quitting her full-time job before the wedding to teach a yoga class on Fridays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Straight_Hall
Y-W does a lot of digging - to start with, I assumed MM got involved with the kitchen as a genuinely charitable action, out of the goodness of her heart.
We've learned since that she plays a persistent `game' of WIIFM - `What's in it for me?' and that `the goodness of her heart' doesn't seem to exist. So I wouldn't be surprised now if MM got substantial financial benefit from the cookbook.
Was she offered payment for the IHHS video do you think?
Yes, narcissists don't operate like most people. Their internal logic is consistent even if it has a completely different basis from that of everyone else.
For example:
My narc husband worked on the assumption that matrimonial law hadn't changed at all in the last 150 years ie he owned me and all that I possess, or if the law had changed, it shouldn't have done and if he pushed hard enough that would be how it was applied.
Thus when the judge asked him why he was opposing the divorce, what did he want? he replied `Justice!'
`Well,' said His Lordship, `You've come to the right place for that - but what do you want the Court to do?'
`I want the Court to send her back to me so she can meet her obligations as a wife,' was the answer.
`Really? And what about your obligations as a husband?'
I got my Decree Nisi that day but the D.Absolute took a further 5 years as I refused to give to his financial demands.
My solicitor couldn't believe that anyone would think as he did - I didn't know about narcissists then but I'd learnt how he thought.
Btw - 9 times out of 10 when people say they want `justice' they mean `revenge'.
Liza's denial is delicious, Nutty! So funny that they thought she would stay quiet like all the other Hollywood friends, that get mentioned, but do not ever deny anything. Liza is protecting HER reputation, I guess! Thank you, Nutty for this space, your time and effort, and the laughs and creativity!
So, tasty! I like your idea of word salad recipes. Hmmm. I am sure there are some really good cooks on this blog.
Foreword NOT Forward ... I see even the Daily Express is making that error and misspelling the word (written by Rebecca Perring, who is described as Senior Online News Reporter — Daily Express). Meghan wrote the Foreword for the cookery book compiled by the women of the Grenfell Kitchen.
Although many get it wrong, this is the difference between a foreword, preface and introduction:
A foreword is written by someone other than the author and tells the readers why they should read the book.
A preface is written by the author and tells readers how and why the book came into being.
An introduction introduces readers to the main topics of the manuscript and prepares readers for what they can expect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemmie_Moodie
By the way, I believe Liza Minneli that she has never met either of them. Remember Michelle Obama eventually put out a statement refuting stories about her advising the Harkles and being so close to them ...
Is someone claiming to be close to the Harkles feeding the tabloids these stories (for what reason) and the journalists are just being very careless, or do you think Meghan might be behind it, or even Harry?
So don’t you think that a photo of Prince Charles holding ‘Archie’ would be her ultimate ‘get’?
This is the part I have never understood. A perfect opportunity for tons of publicity for herself and the famewhore doesn't take it.
Even pictures with herself and the baby would give her lots of publicity, but she doesn't do it.
She could have topped the Cambridges and had tons of pictures showing the baby with the queen, and yet she doesn't do it.
Gotta make you wonder why not, doesn't it.
This is the woman who gets publicity for sneezing once a day and she turns this great opportunity down?
This particular scenario is a check mark in the column for she either doesn't have a baby, or doesn't have access to it regularly.
While I would like to think that FKAP Harry is sneaky feeding these stories to the press to make her look even more batsh*t crazy than she already does, I note that she did not deny them.
PS--In this scenario, I would be the normal person, in case that wasn't clear.
If that was my first official outing I would probably just say to people "Hi, how are you."
Once I got the hang of it, say a year later, I might graduate to "Lovely weather isn't it."
It seems like such a waste of time to get all dolled up like that and only stay 15 minutes.
It doesn't take a lot to see through them. Initially charming then drip drip drip of how you have done them "wrong". You just know that Prince William, DoC, Prince Phillip and HMTQ saw right through her from the get go.
shes just running around making a fool of herself throughout hollywood
my guess is the RF is paying them to keep their patronages- remember they don't work for free.
beyond that, it looks like they are desperate to keep the 'one foot in'. The Queen isn't going to let this continue. I doubt she expected Royal video calls from the non-Royals, constantly. Give an inch...This clearly isn't working.
Did we wonder if HM had forced an agreement out of her that she wouldn't use Archie for merching?
What are the possibilities? To summarise:
- As merching is all she does - given the choice between being photographed merching-free with Archie, or merching but Archie free, would she choose merching?
-or, as has been suggested, would she, given the chance, use Archie to the hilt for the publicity?
-or she can't stand the thought of Archie upstaging her
- or she can't use him because she hasn't got him.
There was a rumour, about the time of Mexit, that there is a child but it's in the UK. Furthermore, H is supposed to have been `bonding' with him.
- or there's no child.
Goodness knows what the truth is - it's certainly neither pure nor simple. Each of these mutually incompatible scenarios seems possible.
No worries about the typos. I type like that when on the phone (and I can't claim Tourette's).
But, back on topic, that makes her sound more like a petulant toddler than an adult. She's surrounded by accomplished, fascinating people and she's "bored".
Mel said: If that was my first official outing I would probably just say to people "Hi, how are you."
Once I got the hang of it, say a year later, I might graduate to "Lovely weather isn't it."
While I would like to *think* I would act with demure decorum, my insatiable curiosity would get the better of me. I would be asking questions about history, houses, hobbies and livelihoods, crops raised, horses, how difficult it must be to live in a fishbowl of observation by staff, neighbors, media, etc., are there any Roman ruins on their properties, etc.
I probably wouldn't have lasted the 20 minutes before being escorted out.
Ghastly behaviour from your co-worker but if one's been brought up to `see the best in people'it takes time for it to sink in that it's them, not you, and that they really are horrible people.
Polite conversation: Lovely to see you instead of Lovely to meet you.
Because while you might not remember meeting them before, they would likely remember meeting the impressive you. And that, would be a cutting move on your part.
Now the BRF is likely to have these historical connections on file and someone doing a gentle review for the BRF ahead of time but it is a way to avoid a potential slight just in a slight difference of phrasing.
Garden Party explanation: I could believe that. I would have so much fun at these kinds of things. You ask people how they are connected to all of this (open-ended questions) and they just open up and start telling you things.
Indy said: THE MYSTERY WHY MEHHSN KICKED OUT OF GARDEN PARTY SOLVED. She was there due about 20 minutes bring greeted and fssned over and she was fine with that. But free 20 minutes she was bored and was OVERHEARD saying to Harry , " this is boring, I want to leave". Harry told her they couldn't sndcdge said even and said even louder "it's boring!! I want to go now! And it was all overheard . That's why Charles basically said , let them go then. And he was upset because people had heard and were offended.
While it's marginally better than coercing a captive audience into listening to her views on Roe v. Wade, this is extraordinarily bad behavior for a *newly minted Royal bride on her very first public engagement as a working Royal.* Her *debut*, not counting the wedding, and she can't make a go of it for even 20 minutes that aren't all focused on her? It would have taken her three times as long to get ready for this party as the amount of time they ended up staying. No wonder Camilla looked surprised they were going so soon. Her first time at bat and she couldn't last even a half hour, when you'd think that particularly on her first time out, she'd want to make a good impression. She dressed well, but why even have bothered to do that? Apparently the Dutch-Ass was ready to leave when she felt sufficient photographs of Herself would have been taken for the Internet tabloids. Nothing left after that but the small chit-chat with strangers of which she is incapable.
This is why I class Meg as a low-functioning Narc. A really top-grade one could charm the pants off everyone in the room and have them all convinced she was delighted to be there. For at least an hour, at any rate. Were she a really top-grade operator, she'd still be in the House of Windsor, laying her plans, and nobody would be any the wiser. Meg has no long game. How could she last more than two years at any relationship when she couldn't sustain a work engagement more than 20 minutes? I wonder if narcissism of this type mimics features of autism or if Meg is on the spectrum? She does exhibit the obsessive features and lack of social suavity which are markers for AD. I think rage is common in a lot of autistic people when their frustrations boil over. Difficulty in maintaining personal relationships, brusqueness in social settings. She seems to suffer from delusions on a large scale which dovetail with the Narcissism, but many narcissists are actually as skillful as they think they are. The really good ones wouldn't show right away just how beneath themselves they believe everyone else to be.
I keep hearing how 'charming' Meghan can be, which is why she was able to pull the wool over the eyes of so many men in her life. I've seen zero evidence of any charm, at least, not that she can sustain more than 20 minutes. That surely is not long enough to sell anybody on the con she's selling?
Yes! My dear spouse has asked me later a few times where I know that lady (or gentleman) in line at a grocery store checkout because they were telling me their life's story. I would shrug and say I had never met them before. "THEN WHY ARE THEY TELLING YOU ALL THESE THINGS?" "Maybe because I'm the only person they met this year that was interested in them." "WELL, STOP IT!" he says.
Maybe that's why she showed up to so many events looking like she'd stumbled out of an all-night party in somebody else's clothes.
Did anyone else watch the video and pick up something I missed?
I mean no disrespect to people managing life with a spectrum diagnosis. Everyone is different. Whatever is going on in Meg's head, I think there are a number of co-current mental issues. Her behavior goes way beyond being spoiled by her daddy, or being single-mindedly ambitious or even a clinical diagnosis of NPD. Her executive functioning at times seems to be haywire. Perhaps bipolarity is also in the mix. She is obviously very delusional about herself and her own importance which no amount of therapy or stern talkings-to is going to fix. When she was a very minor TV starlet with a blog that she could curate to her liking and 'friends' willing to help style her and prop up her self-promoting fictions, she was able to construct a facade and bait the hook for Harry. Once she got the promotion she had doggedly worked for for years, the hastily tacked-together seams began to fray. She didn't have a team of enablers any more but was expected to buck up and put herself together for engagements. It was assumed that someone who'd bragged about her top education, her polyglotism, her acting abilities, innate style and diplomatic and humanitarian experience would sail through the demands of her royal role. They took her at her word, and that's when things began to go wrong. Because Meg is a fraud, and she knows it, but because she is a Narc, she believes that no one else could possibly notice.
What a shame for us all that Tom and Doria didn't have a functional marriage where they could be on the same page about their daughter and get her some psychological help. Most preferably in a nice secure unit where she could pretend to be the Queen of England/Angelina Jolie to her heart's content without harming anyone. Instead she's out in the world creating plenty of harm.
I assume that Meghan would not have to be on set unless she was in a scene and she was a supporting player so she was not on screen for all of an episode. The media portrayed her as a major star of the series but she was not.
I also assume that a series soon settles into a groove so not much rehearsal is required and no additional takes unless something went horribly wrong. It was not one of those edgy shows that used different directors, but followed a standard format - professionally done but not ward-winning creative stuff.
Meghan would have had plenty of time for pursuing her other activities (merching, getting appearances and interviews lined up, movie roles with Hallmark, and so on), but a lot of time on set would be spent getting her hair and make up done, fitting clothes choosing jewellery, and interfering with stuff like catering.
Have been the recipient of 3:00 AM drunk texts from a friend. Accusing me of all kinds of things I didn’t do. No going back after that.
How ironic that JM ruined her life because she got bombed and couldn’t keep her hands off her phone. And she could hardly admit that right? Yet you could say that with her Marklesque personality it was bound to happen anyway.
Wullie’s and Imabug, re. Doria (and others who addressed this topic)
Megs mother is certainly an enigma, even more so than Meg herself. I thought she looked very lovely on the wedding day, and Meg’s narrative that the BRF are unrelenting racists is contradicted by the warm welcome her mother was given by the father of the groom. Not only did Charles step in to perform father of the bride duties—highly irregular to say the least, both he and Camilla tried to include Doria in the pictures so she wasn’t standing alone. I imagine they probably invited her to sit with them at the evening 'do as well. Who else would she sit with? Doria’s face was mostly inscrutable during the wedding. Apart from one time when she seemed to be giving Harry a speculative look, and licked her lips like a fox sizing up a plump chicken dinner, her teary eyed look seemed less like joy than fear. Did she already know the size of the con her daughter was engaged in? Was that fear for Meghan, or for herself?
It’s already common knowledge that Doria was absent for most of Meg’s preteen and teen years from 9 or 10 onwards. A number of possible reasons have been floated, from a stint in jail for fraud, cult membership or just off finding herself free of the encumbrance of a child. There doesn’t seem to have been any sort of official court ordered arrangement about custody of Meg; I’ve also read that Meg herself insisted in living full time with her dad once she hit middle school age. Thomas had the better neighborhood, the better house, worked in TV and no doubt she knew she could manipulate Daddy into giving her things. Perhaps the home situation at Doria’s was less stable or safe for a young girl--there have been a number of stories about the 'open-door' house Tom and Doria kept together, and maybe some of her mother's associates after the split were not good for a youngster to be around. We just do not know.
Whatever happened in Meg’s teen years, I doubt she and Doria have a close relationship now. If they did, would Meg have spent so many years living abroad and relentlessly chasing a guy to whom marriage would mean a lifetime in England with limited access to her? I think Doria is a useful prop to support Meg’s claim of being so in tune with her black heritage, so she’s imported for photo ops and her name is invoked when it’s convenient—like when Archie needs looking after. But actual proof of Doria's present involvement in her daughter's life or that of Archie is not really there.
So i took the time to compare the metrics of Lady Campbell's HARRY and MEGHAN: The true story and OMID SCOOBIE'S Finding Freedom. I took data from Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
On Amazon, Lady Campbell's book ranks 446 in overall best sellers list while Omid Scoobie's book ranks 4,147.
Lady Campbell's book ranks number 4 in royal biographies category while Omid's book ranks number 11.
Lady Campbell's book ranks number 12 in the rich and famous category while Omid's book ranks number 50.
Lady Cambell's book isnt on Barnes and Noble so i decided to get the presale numbers of Mary Jordan's book on Melania Trump called THE ART OF HER DEAL. For those who don't know her, Jordan is a Pulitzer award winning journalist and she interviewed over 100 people for her book which will be released tomorrow June 16. Ranking on sales is the most important metrics in knowing how well a book ia doing in terms of sales. It shows how fast your book is selling out.
In Barnes and Noble, Mary Jordan's pre sale ranking is 140 while the pre sale ranking of Omid's book is 33,328 WHICH IS HORRENDOUS.
Michelle Obama's Becoming which was released in 2018 currently ranks 66 in sales on Barnes and Noble.
A book that was released three years ago ranks 1000 times higher than Meghan's biography.
Bottom line: Meghan doesn't have the numbers. She's controversial no doubt, but her numbers are mediocre compared to the amount she invests in PR. This is a book that everyone knows was personally sanctioned by her, yet the presale numbers are ABYSMAL.
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-4248#post-59043318
I don’t know how much Doria knows, or when she knew it, But it would be so informative to hear her speak. Not that she ever will. I think she’s nothing if not self protective. There are those recurring rumors that Meg has been padding her mother's bank account with the merching proceeds in order to hide them from the BRF and possibly Uncle Sam. Both Meg and her mom are acquainted with financial fraud--if that's what got Doria in trouble with the law. And Meg has been taken to court by the IRS for tax evasion relating to Tig merchandise. Past patterns are the best indicators of future behavior. I'm sure that both the IRS and its British equivalent (formerly called Inland Revenue but I think there's a different name now) are looking at the erstwhile Duke and Duchess of Sussex's financials very carefully.
Inland Revenue is now HMRC = Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs, taking in both taxes and `customs duties', formerly separate depts.
Rage, both narcissistic and autistic:
As far as I can make out, narcissistic rage is focused, say an attack on a specific person, precipitated by something external, for eg. being called out for a misdemeanour or being thwarted, whereas autistic rage is unfocused and arises within the sufferer. Perhaps a parallel with depression, which can be a response to external events or just arrives for no particular external reason. Do I mean exogenous versus endogenous?
If I've got it wrong, I apologise - I'm sure someone will be able to correct me if that's so. It was one of the questions I had to ask myself the last time I was on the receiving end of a rage, which sort is it?
Not surprising at all. I see some of the behind the scenes data on Meghan. Since February, her numbers have been tanking across metrics.
The RF stories as a whole hold her numbers up. This is the case where the institution outweighs any one individual by orders of magnitude.
While it's a fascinating story behind Harry with Meghan involved, and entertaining to say the least, it's just not a popular story/narrative/event/newswatch with most people in UK, and also USA.
And, I think this is what drove her madness. Not being able to 'see the data, numbers' and her own perceived popularity within the RF. This is one reason, and the main one, behind why Harry and Meghan have not launched any social media accounts. First, they have very little content and engagements to post. Second, their following count would be very low. They've now had access to the data of where they land in the worldwide popularity contest, and they cannot make money the way they assumed or thought.
Another topic altogether is Archie. I don't think she is allowed to put him on display. Further, the minute she puts him out there, she also knows his popularity eclipses her, like his dad. Once Archie is an 'it-kid', she is toast and irrelevant. Just his caregiver. So perhaps she is trying to keep him away while she still thinks she has time to build a popular career.
She's just a sidenote in a long list of royals, like 'Countess' LouAnn from RHONY. Meghan just got every step of this life pursuit wrong. Nothing good comes for free, and she should know that by her age.