Sorry for my continued absence. Duty calls. Here's a fresh link.
Recently there was (yet another) post somewhere out in the world about how they will soon divorce. And my first thought was: Haven't I heard this before? which moved quickly to: how many times have I heard this (through the years)? There were a number of questions raised which ... I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. One of the points which has been raised is that KC would somehow be shelling out beaucoup money to get her to go "away". That he has all this money stashed away and can pull it out at a moment's notice. But does he? He inherited a lot of "stuff" from his mother but ... isn't it a lot of tangible stuff like properties? and with that staff to maintain it and insurance. Inside said properties is art, antique furniture and other "old stuff" which may be valuable" but ... that kind of thing is subject to the whims and bank accounts of the rarified people who may be interested in it (which is not most of us in terms of bei
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Sister Sarah gets dumped by Charles.
Sisters Sarah and Jane know their little sis is unstable but say nothing to Charles.
When Diana is getting cold feet about marrying Charles, all they are reported to have said to her was that it was too late – the tea towels have been printed.
Raine Spencer (Diana’s stepmother) was at Charles & Diana’s wedding but not seated by her husband, father of the bride.
Raine’s mother, the well-known romantic novelist Barbara Cartland, was not invited to the wedding, despite there being 3,500 guests. She spent the day at home, wearing her uniform as an officer in the Girl Guides.
The relationship between the Spencer children and their stepmother was a very unhappy one and does not reflect well on the children. The account of Raine being ejected from Althorp after the old earl’s death is not edifying, See Raine’s Wikipedia entry.
I rather think we're able to join some dots here…
The language they use makes me extremely uncomfortable.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/11/extinction-rebellion-stage-climate-change-means-war-protest/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
PC has been supporting young fashion designers based at Dumfries House who have been designing a line of classic up-market clothes with high-quality sustainable textiles (I'm tempted to say `compostable' because they're all in natural fibre).
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/royals/prince-charles-new-fashion-collection-have-always-believed-buy/
His philosophy is itself a classic:
“I have always said that I am rather like a stopped clock in terms of fashion. I seem to come into vogue about once every 25 years or so! For me, I have always tried to use my own wardrobe to highlight great craftsmanship, whether that is in the manufacture or, more often these days, the repair of an item. I have always believed in the ‘Buy once, buy well’ philosophy, so the more I wear them, the more sustainable I hope I become!”
(quoted from an email)
He has upstaged her! Brilliant!!!
It is confusing and open to misinterpretation. It also gives manipulation tools to the Harkles.
Stephan Zweig in his book about Maria Stewart said the most deadly way in politics is half way and he was right.
HRH should have been either left without limitation or removed completely.
"We never hear about them donating"
Not strictly true. They once donated what other people gathered and Megs generously donated a staggering 10 pounds a month to the dog charity.
But you are right they are hardly great philanthropists.
I feel for the poor staff. They pay for the Harkles insolence while the Harkles sail on.
I have been reading about a film crew (not just the fashion photographer🙄) do we have any proof of their presence?
The new narrative of Harry the war hero must be related to Netflix. Follow the money as the saying goes. They must be producing (as if they know how) some docu series about real veterans. The legitimacy of JH must be established. Plus, megalo knows that the veteran card will be as effective as her POC card. Shameless again!
As for Diana, and I speak as a mother myself, I think her behavior was appalling. She did nothing to shield her children from whatever crap was going on with Charles/Camilla and later with her own lovers (most of whom were married men). She suffered from mental disorders and she didn’t get the medical treatment she obviously needed. Seeing JH’s behavior, Mental illness does seem to be hereditary...
You are right that Reine and Diana got closer together a couple years before her death. The rift with Diana's brother happened after she separated from Charles but was still married to him. So the timeline works. Both events happened before 1997.
Diana's relations with Jane had been tense ever since Diana lied about Morton's book, Sarah was living her own life, Diana quarrelled with Spencer, her mother was on and off living in remote Scottish region and it is plausible Diana turned to Reine because she had nobody else from her family.
Unfortunately Reine held a position in Harrods board so was hardly a disinterested party when she advised Diana to accept Fayed's invitations.
Charles is well known for wearing old clothes, I think among other things an old coat that had been obviously mended (a piece of fabric had been sewn onto the garment)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/10159056/For-thrift-no-life-form-is-a-patch-on-the-Prince-of-Wales.html
Anne is also known to recycle her clothes, wearing dresses she wore at least 30 years ago.
When I was younger I dated a number of women who had been (unwillingly) divorced and had small children. In hindsight that was neither a good idea either for myself or for the women concerned. I appreciate human desires but it would on balance have been much better for them and their children had they remained without a part-time lover - perhaps just the first of many men to pass through. Maybe that was of its time but Lady Di did not set a good example.
They must be producing (as if they know how) some docu series about real veterans. The legitimacy of JH must be established. Plus, megalo knows that the veteran card will be as effective as her POC card. Shameless again!
Please forgive me, everyone, but I think my last comment on this subject got drowned out a bit at the end of the previous page. So I'm quoting it here again:
. . . I think we've all sussed out the reason the Harkles chose an American cemetery rather than having Prince Harry return to the UK for Remembrance Sunday. (Never mind that even standing on the balcony next to Catherine would have been much better optics for him.) Meghan has seen the great respect that patriotic Americans have for those in the military. Now she's hoping that Harry's military history will give her some reflected glory. I'll bet the upcoming article will highlight how Harry's team often worked side-by-side with American troops and how much mutual respect they had for each other. Maybe there will be a new (suspiciously salad-ish) quote from Harry about how all soldiers are brothers-in-arms, no matter which flag they fought under, and that he'd love to do for the Warrior Games what he did for Invictus. Meanwhile, Meghan will start wearing more red, white and blue. I expect something else from this PR plan to come out right in time for that most American of holidays -- Thanksgiving.
I daresay they told the cemetery staff a pack of lies - implying they'd there alone with their little vintage Brownie 127 cameras holding just 8 B&W shots... Won't take five minutes, after all we're so famous it'd be unseemly for us to be mobbed by the crowds...
@Opus - yes, Diana's funeral reminded me of what my mother had told me about Valentino's funeral.
Do we know anything about Raine's reaction to Diana's and Dodi's deaths? Also, what did she do during the funeral and right afterwards?
Even if she had encouraged Diana to carry on with Dodi as a form of revenge, because of the way Diana and her siblings had treated her in the past, surely she hadn't intended things to end so fatally for two people.
You're right, Diana didn't set a good examples with her boyfriends post divorce. As for the mawkish behaviour of the public, the outpouring of grief was uncharacteristic of the British - no stiff upper lip so hated by MM! I do remember, though, looking at the flags at half-mast in the streets and I found the sight very poignant.
I am also wondering what the point of the wreath ceremony was?
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That wreath ceremony was completely ridiculous. I think it had several purposes...1) content for their Netflix documentary 2) something, anything to upstage the real royals, 3) trying to set up/imply their own monarchy.
It was beyond ridiculous. What made it really, really pathetic and cringy was
1) those stupid medals, which were basically participation medals. Two were medals everyone got for the Queen's Jubilee, the third was for being in a part of the military for 10 weeks. Might as well have picked them up at Party City. Basically costume jewelry. They meant nothing.
2) Out there all by themselves, pretending to be king and queen. Might have well as used a stage set. Those graves meant nothing to them. It was all about look at me.
They could have just set up a pretend grave site in their yard and skipped desecrating real graves. But then they wouldn't have been able to pretend that they were someone important coming to see the graves. Film crew, security team, hair make-up people, drivers.
3) Her outfit. Clearly meant for a royal ceremony. Not meant for wandering around a US cemetery by yourselves. Nothing more than a costume. I'm surprised she didn't wear a hat, or better yet, a tiara. Oh, and this time she managed to wear all black???? And it actually fit. Didnt have her blouse unbuttoned, no sex kitten display.
4) That ridiculous wreath. They didn't even have enough sense to order a memorial wreath from a florist. That is definitely not the style of wreath to be left on a grave. Made out of the wrong materials, and no flowers or ribbons.
5) She's hanging all over him, like some lovesick middle schooler. Highly inappropriate for a somber occasion like a cemetery service. If there ever is a time to act dignified and not touch each other, this would be it. They're far, far too old for this hanging on each other thing. Good grief, they're 36 and 41. Stop already with the physical stuff. No one wants to see that. He acts like a 16 year old who just discovered sex.
Their little stunt was just wrong on so many levels.
If doing this royal stuff was so important to them, why didn't they just stay in the royal family? Because they weren't making any money personally from those outings. And she had to walk behind Catherine.
https://monstermarkle.tumblr.com/
People really are up in arms about their photo shoot in a cemetery, which is quite understandable.
At least 1,000 complaints to the cemetery staff, so I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO CALLED THE CEMETERY, and I recall one commenter here who tried to discourage calls to the staff there. I just want to underline this to show how out of touch with the public Zeitgeist this commenter is. You know who you are.
I wonder which network the cemetery belongs to. The US government itself? The Harkles were already failing to make direct inroads there. US veterans? That might hurt them a lot more, especially if they are, as many of us here believe, playing up Harry's veteran status for political points.
At the time, it was speculated that it was related to the court case adjournment announcement which had just come out.
I saw on another blog yesterday that someone thought maybe the Oct 29th film crew was instead for this cemetery filming. Could make sense?
I saw a comment that said there was an Oct 29th date on one of the photos. Hmmm.
Also distasteful that the pictures are copyrighted...so they're making $ off them.
I do not think (or at least I saw no evidence) that Reine encouraged Diana's fling with Dodi. I think Reine simply helped Fayed to persuade Diana to accept his invitation. Interestingly, Fayed claimed that he helped Diana to reconcile with Reine, but he was known for liberties with truth.
Diana had been acquainted with Fayed for some years already because Fayed made a great effort to befriend the members of old British aristocracy, especially Diana's father. Johnny and Reine Spencer invited the whole Harrod's board for lunch to Althorp once. Reine was a paid director of Harrods Intenational that sells duty-free goods at airports. Fayed lavished expensive presents on her and Johnny Spencer and accommodated them in his Ritz hotel.
Fayed often offered Diana vacations at his villas in Gstaad, Scotland and France. She politely declined all of them right until the time of her divorce from Charles. After her divorce she behaved more erratically and accepted Fayed's invitation to San Tropez, where she met Dodi.
I mean fine, be friends. They are HRH of UK....how is that gonna work?!
The cemetery is under the administration of the Veterans' Administration via the National Cemeteries Administration. I know because I had to call them to find out the number of the cemetery.
Thanks for the reply!
I think Raine was canny enough to know that either Fayed or his son would have had more than the expected social-climbing intentions toward Diana. (Dodi already had his sleazy playboy reputation and there were already stories circulating about Mohamed's sexual harassment of Harrods employees and other staff.) And surely she knew how mentally unstable and vulnerable her former stepdaughter was. So I think there was an element of revenge in it. And that's what makes me wonder how she felt afterward, when she saw the terrible consequences at the end. I'm sure that even if she had wanted Diana completely humiliated, she hadn't also wanted her dead.
Apparently Prince Harry is best friends with Jill Biden, if we buy what they are selling today.
And the connection between Prince Harry and Jill is the Invictus Games! Predictable.
Meghan the Woke wasn't doing anything for them politically, so now they're going to try Harry the Vet.
When are we going to see the debut of Archie the All-American?
Gee, maybe Joe and Jill are JH's new 'second parents'! David Foster seems to have been unsatisfactory as a replacement dad, since we haven't heard any more about his largesse toward the Duke and Ducharse of Mudslide Mansion after allegedly 'having dinner' with them. What, did he expect Harry to pick up his own check? Anyway, all we saw were the Numfarkles walking on a street. Could have been absolutely anywhere. Toronto, even.
Joe could really make a splash at his socially-distanced inauguration by announcing that he and Jill will be adopting Harry and Meghan, who will be moving into their own wing of the White House in order to carry on with their humanitarian bespoke Woke causes on behalf of the party. Meg's commute to the Senate chamber and Kamala Harris's desk will be super easy then!
@Sandie, you aid earlier that you have some sympathy with the Numnutzes despite everything . . do you really still feel this way in the wake of this Remembrance cosplay disaster? We know that One-Ball Hazza is under Meg's sway, but I can't accept that this stunt in the cemetery was solely her idea. Even if it originated with her, he went along with it . . seeing as she'd only participated in two Remembrance Days during her extremely brief tenure in the RF, it seems more likely that the one with the burr up his backside about those ceremonies going on without him would have been Harry.
The poppy wreath left abandoned at the Poppy Factory, along with Meg's costume on their little walkabout makes it seem like this PR ploy had been planned for some time, or at least, the dastardly duo planned to swan back into the Cenotaph event before being foiled in these plans. How can Harry truly be so dumb as to not recognize that what he did to the Royal Marines back in July 2019 is unforgiveable, and for that he has *earned* the loss of his former roles? He just doesn't seem to get it. For most of this inexplicable 2-3 years, I feel like Harry has been given more of a pass for the egregious behavior--He's so in LUUUURVE ...Meg is so beguiling/persuasive or just downright cult-leadery . .he's got Stockholm Syndrome! He's sad and traumatized by the death of his mom! And Flashbulbs! He's homesick!!
Harry is a WILLING partner in all this. Were he not, he would leave her. He would phone for help, he would call to apologize . . he would tell her No, I am NOT doing this. There is no 'love' here . . only two stupid, immature narcissists seeking to aggrandize themselves at the expense of us all. We have to conclude that even if he loves Meg a bit, he must hate his brother, father and grandmother more. Hate them. There is no other explanation for his behavior.
The latest Knockoff Duchess shows more unflattering posts on MM, worth a look:
https://monstermarkle.tumblr.com/
Thanks, I appreciate getting these heads-up posts for new material to read when I am caught up on the reading here!
I don't think we need get in the details of political stances--we don't all think alike, we know that. The thing with Harkles getting political is coattails...they are hoping to ride coattails to get some attention to support merching...
If they did manage this, and managed to wrest some political appointment from all the other more qualified applicants, it would only be a matter of time till they bungled it. They proved on the Africa trip they are not diplomatic talent. Very little respect for protocol and hierarchy.
Apt word.
Yes, this is what I think, too. Diana tried to kill her in a fit of rage. Diana and Dodi brought their deaths on themselves; I don't think she spent any private time worrying about it. She was probably relieved that the children were safe.
Well put. Harsh, but likely the way of it now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XfvJeiUed8
I also came to the realization today that Harry really wants what Meghan is selling.
Why would he marry an American Actress, if he too didn't want that Glam adored lifestyle...stateside? Can't have it in the firm? Well, then, they quit.
These two are all about 'status'. They said themselves they read the comments in the DM. They can't have social media, so now they are *above* it.
Status status status. They want to trade on it as much as possible.
Aligning themselves with the allure of *status* with the Bidens makes sense if they are worried about the titles after the door slam on remembrance day plans.
It's a very Hollywood approach..the whole 'do you know so and so, name dropping, cliche new money syndrome'.
Status. And Harry wants it as much as Meghan.
If my 28-yr old stepdaughter pushed me down the stairs when I was in my 60s, I'd probably be pretty upset. Whether it was matter of the stepdaughter losing her temper or something else, I'd probably be pretty sure she was mentally unbalanced. She wasn't 5, after all. She was 28 with two children of her own.
I doubt I'd plot revenge though. Personally I think it's pretty far-fetched to suggest Raine and Diana reconciled and then 3 years later, Raine threw Diana to the Fayed wolves.
It seems more likely to me Diana was at loose ends and lonely after the breakup with Khan and Raine suggested the Fayed visit as a diversion. I doubt she expected within days Diana would be involved with Dodi much less that she'd die with him within matter of weeks.
Of course, it's natural to see a connection to Raine and say "what if." If we casually introduce two people and they end up with the greatest marriage ever OR they end up with the worst marriage ever, we're likely to recall our instrumental role no matter how offhand it was at the time.
I don't know Raine's reaction to Diana's death. Here are a few blurbs though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7141205.stm
(Testifying at Diana's inquest)
https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/princess-diana-pushed-her-stepmother-down-a-staircase-documentary/
(Talking to Burrell the night he returned from France with Diana’s body.)
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/princess-diana-stepmother-raine-spencer-royal-family-documentary-channel-4-a9347226.html?amp#aoh=16052036147057&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
(General info including quotes from royal reporters)
SwampWoman said...
I also think that if Harry were to die of an overdose or in an accident, the BRF would feel more relief than grief. They would cry remembering the little boy, but that little boy has been dead to them for a long time now. At least they would finally be able to lay him to rest.
I think Charles would grieve, that is how he is, but for others, i think you are right.
Re: Raine and Diana,
If my 28-yr old stepdaughter pushed me down the stairs when I was in my 60s, I'd probably be pretty upset. Whether it was matter of the stepdaughter losing her temper or something else, I'd probably be pretty sure she was mentally unbalanced. She wasn't 5, after all. She was 28 with two children of her own.
The thing about crazy is that you never know when it will pop up. I am disappointed that Diana didn't get the opportunity to push MM down any steps.
"My former stepdaughter once pushed me down a high flight of stairs. SD was no longer a moody teenager, but an adult at the time. When her marriage broke up and she had no place to stay, I set SD up with the playboy son of a colleague. PB had a reputation for providing cocaine to the crew of movies he produced and dating women many years his junior. SD knew that moving in with him would humiliate her husband, who was a prominent member of our community. A few months later, after one of their dates, SD got into his car while his driver was drunk and didn't fasten her seatbelt. The driver drove too fast and crashed the car, killing both SD and PB. AITA?"
"My in-laws like to throw big parties multiple times a year. When I first married in, I was invited to all of them and treated well; but after a while, I noticed that they would start giving me the cold shoulder or seating me with strangers instead of family members. My husband has been wonderful about sticking up for me, but that has driven a wedge between him and his brother and sister-in-law. I don't want to say they're racist, but BIL once referred to me as "this girl" although I'm a grown woman. Earlier this year, my husband and I moved so that our son could grow up closer to my mother. But we planned to be back for a family party that is really meaningful to my husband. I even got a new dress for the occasion, because I know how seriously my in-laws take their dress code. At the last minute, they told us that we weren't welcome. My husband and I were really disappointed, but decided to throw another party instead, so that I could wear my new dress. Now everyone is freaking out our attempt to 'upstage' them, which doesn't make sense to me. AITA?"
Or, as they used to say of variety shows at the old Glasgow Empire, `No turn unstoned'. She was nothing but a waste of rations.
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I wonder what the Commonwealth War Graves Commission has made of H$M's recent performance?
How does it compare with the desecration of the graves of Boer War soldiers in S Africa by witch doctors' in search of human bones for their rituals? Or the destruction of bronze plaques from a major naval memorial in Plymouth by metal thieves?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/1456555/Looted-graves-of-Britains-Boer-War-dead-to-be-saved.html
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/man-who-desecrated-plaques-jailed-1284642
I can only think the Markles are worse insofar as they were born or married into positions of great privilege and wealth yet behave no differently from lowlifes.
Thinking of other people who behave like lowlifes despite their privilege, I see Lacey read history at Cambridge.
I've known several of his historian contemporaries (one is still a great friend) and can't imagine any of them bearing false witness by means of their subject. Yet I gather that it's not unknown for malefactors to gain respectable qualifications to use as a cover later.
If, as it seems it’s likely, Harry is a drug addict, aided and abetted by his partner in crime, chances are quite fair that he could die by misadventure. We should hope, for his sake as well as ours and the royal family’s, that Harry survives this marriage long enough to divorce his Svengali. Because if he were to die while still married to her, she would have to be proven guilty of his murder, or else we will never be rid of her. Can you imagine how she would milk being Harry’s widow, if she gets this much mileage out of being his wife, even on his discredited state? If that happened, H would be elevated into the 2.0 version of his mother...a young and vibrant person cut down in the prime of his life by the horrible media and the horrid called family that cast him out. Imagine the eulogies pouring forth from the sugars about the fall and military hero, the “young father” who won’t get to see his little boy grow up. The Jackie Kennedy Onassis role would suit Meg a treat. And how could the RF deny Harry’s widow participation in family events, with all the worldwide sympathy that would rally around her? Those of us here know what she is, but too many people on the outside do not, and even this latest PR disaster would be completely forgotten, if hairy were to die suddenly. The royal Marines would be compelled to have a plaque unveiling ceremony in his honor… Attended by his glamorous widow of course, perhaps in black Givenchy. No, that would be a nightmare of epic proportions. The Harkles either go down in flames as a unit, or she does. She cannot be permitted to be the only one left standing, while still his legal wife.
What an extraordinary article you shared! Thank you.
I couldn't help but notice that at least one of the statements is untrue. Diana didn't lose her royal bodyguards because she lost HRH as the article claims. She dropped RPOs herself. Ken Wharfe, her trusted and long-term bodyguard lamented her decision publicly on several occasions.
I continue to question Earle Spencer's behaviour in all this. He had known the documents were forgeries and yet chose not to act. Him saying he "warned Diana" is nothing because he took no legal action against BBC or Bashir. At the very least he should have submitted a complaint to BBC. That he didn't do this raises more questions about his role in introducing Bashir to Diana.
Did you know Bashir acted as Diana's speechwriter after the interview? Obviously Earl Spencer failed to explain to his sister how dangerous Bashir was. It proves how bad her judgement was; she saw nothing wrong with his conduct or the interview itself.
"if he were to die while still married to her, she would have to be proven guilty of his murder, or else we will never be rid of her. Can you imagine how she would milk being Harry’s widow, if she gets this much mileage out of being his wife, even on his discredited state?"
Oh, every single true-crime TV show, blog podcast, youtube channel now and forever would have to drop at least one episode, prob'ly more, on the story. And there would be a whole new branch of conspiracy theory how the lizard royals framed poor poor Meg. She's here permanently.
All we can dare think of doing, for our own safety, is to keep fingers crossed that enough of the ugly truth about her previous life will be allowed to seep out in time to render her FUBAR before anything untoward happens.
I can't believe the evidence that was removed from the internet was utterly destroyed; I sincerely hope its tucked away somewhere safe, just in case.
I am sorry but I am a bookworm. I like reading and read everything I can get on the subject which interests me. I didn't see the documentary.
Can you tell us briefly what it told? Many thanks!
As far as documentaries go the very best one I saw was "Who killed Diana". It opened my eyes to so many conspiracy theories and fact twisting that went around her at the time.
"If they can't pay Scarface, I'm sure something will be arranged"
Best not think about that too hard, lest it comes back to bite us!
Quizzically enough, there has been far more damaging stuff released about their own son and brother (H) than about the grifter he married. Mugsy’s “Black” card is the RF’s Kryptonite. Because of it, they cannot attack her directly. Not only is she biracial, but she’s a struggling young mother!!! She’s got them over a barrel on two counts. Not bad fir a two bit hustler and side gig hooker. If Meg was a blond blue eyed girl from Pasadena, she wouldn’t have lasted to the engagement. So it looks like the Family is doing what it must to save itself—they will sacrifice their ‘Fredo”. At this point, they have to. A Harry shorn of titles and financial propping...repudiated by the Palace, what use is he ti her? He’s dumber than a package of digestive biscuits and lost his looks years ago when his hair started to leave. It’s time for Harry to get disowned. Them’s the breaks for treason, Dimwit,
i certainly concur with your latest post (10.08pm). If only! This is what we've been waiting for for the past three years (in my case). In the link I posted earlier, there's a photo of MM sitting on an old gent's lap. You'll need to scroll down a little bit to see it and also read the accompanying comment. Mind you, no surprises there but I'd never seen that photo before. The rest of the pix and comments are also interesting.
https://monstermarkle.tumblr.com/
Best-case scenario: Meg leaves Prince Harry and remarries. She may still try to milk the BRF for what she can, but at least she has lost the Duchess of Sussex title forever. Harry returns to the UK and lives as a private citizen on one of the properties Prince Charles originally offered him and Meg. (They may consider rehabilitating his image so that he becomes a working royal again, but it would take decades.)
Worst-case scenario: Prince Harry dies of an overdose and his grieving "young" widow builds a lucrative career over his dead body. @Hikari and @KC have already sketched out gruesome scenarios.
Another possibility that we don't talk about much is Meghan dying first. I swing back and forth between Prince Harry being a full co-conspirator fueled by resentment and hate for his family and his being an unintelligent dupe who bit off so much more than he could chew and is now regretting it deeply. In the last comment thread, he felt like more of the latter to me, and I thought it likely that if his humiliation and frustration, combined with his drug abuse, reached a breaking point, he just might harm Meghan. If it happened this way, I'm pretty sure it would get covered up. The BRF and UK government would pull every string and call in every favor possible. But they'd still get their share of episodes in "Unsolved Mysteries" series.
"One of my favorite places on the Internet to visit is the subreddit r/AmITheAsshole. (I'm sorry for the vulgarity, but that is the actual name!) Sometimes I imagine rewriting these incidents from BRF history as AITA posts, from the perspective of different people."
I am one of many here who really enjoy your sense of humor.
I used to watch it on youtube but it appears to be corrupted now with only 1 min 52 sec footage instead of 1 hour 52 min.
DVD is available though the ebay or on Amazon. I was able to find it for couple pounds but have not checked if this is the same one I watched on youtube.
The documentary was done by Sky One and it is extremely informative and well narrated.
Hey, I'm sure none of us would have a clue as to how that polonium-210 got slipped into their cocaine!
I don't think he is ambitious enough to have done all of this without the severe prodding along and plotting we see by his wife.
There's a reason she had to isolate him in Canada for 12 weeks before they decided Megxit was the answer. She told him she wasn't going back and their staff would pack her stuff. He knew what she did to Trevor when he stayed back in LA. Throw a supposed 5 month old baby who is reliant on her into the mix and he was stuck. I think he even stated he didn't have a choice. He wasn't wrong, if he has half a heart and Archie exists.
Thanks for directing us to the MonsterMarkle blog. The Veterans Day post with the photos was pretty revealing -- and it didn't even include the video of her standing awkwardly in the middle of the stage while everyone else ignored her. Since she and Prince Harry are obviously positioning themselves as patriotic "Support the Troops!" types, we may see more images from her USO tour in the future. It will be the new dish soap protest and UN standing ovation (inaccuracies included) rolled into one.
That's very kind to say! Thank you!
The particular recent documentary regarding Bashir and that interview (which opened Pandora’s Box) was shown on ITV and is in two parts. It’s still on Catch-up on Sky if you have it.
Thank you! What did you think of it? Do you think it is balanced or just designed to stir things up?
Nice coincidence with the Harry's lawsuit against the media, don't you think? Something about historic phone hacking, wasn't it?
Markle and Harry both have active lawsuits against media now
It was only when I saw your comment did I look to see if it was available, so I haven’t had a chance to watch it properly yet, I just skimmed through to make sure I had the right one. ;o) It was my Mum that told me about it in the first place.
Miggy might have seen it already, but I’ll let you know whether I feel it was balanced.
I am thinking the timing of resuscitation of the Panorama story is quite interesting.
Harry's popularity is down, Markle is widely despised, her lawsuit is in tatters, FF backfired as well as "Harry the military hero" cliché. Add to this the scandal with Invictus, the scandal with LA cemetery photoshoot and the Marines saying Harry doesn't speak to them. Harry is in danger of total wipeout. He must have something to bring him some sympathy, quickly.
Suddenly we have "They killed my mommy" scenario resurfacing. Poor Harry, how he must be feeling now. Poor Diana they manipulated her (they did but she was very willing). BBC is evil! Media is evil! Lets give some support to poor boy, he's lived with it all his life!.
Do you see what I mean? Too timely for my liking. The whole thing stinks. For 23 years we all known fake docs had been used and suddenly Spencer is in righteous anger now? Give me a break.
If Harry or Spencer bring the lawsuit against BBC and Bashir they will likely win it, but I do not think this is the aim. I think this is PR designed to play the old tried and tested card.
I don’t think Harry (or William) would have had this shown. 1) I don’t think Harry has that amount of clout and 2) William is far too private to want all his parents sordid history brought to the fore once again. I think this is something entirely independent of the royal family and most likely come about due to the findings produced via the Freedom of Information Act request by the journalist/investigator whose name escapes me.
The Diana card may be tried and tested, but they whipped it out so often last year that I think people are tired of it now. The consensus seems to be that Diana was a lovely but flawed woman who helped millions of people, but also made some bad choices in her last few years of life. It's much more balanced than it was twenty years ago. Now we all just want her to rest in peace. I don't think it would help the Harkles at all to pull the Diana card out again. Especially if Prince William doesn't join them in dwelling on the past, but instead shows us what it is to look forward.
"If Harry or Spencer bring the lawsuit against BBC and Bashir they will likely win it.."
I'm curious. Why do you think Spencer and Harry would win? What would the grounds be?
I guess I could maybe see Diana's estate bringing a lawsuit. (As in her remaining living executor and that's not Charles Spencer.) But didn't Diana say the docs had nothing to do with her willingness to talk to Bashir? Didn't she sign something during the initial BBC "investigation?"
Most likely you are right but please humour me.
The PR agency Harry is signed with is described as "ruthless". They are quite capable of devising the plan. Note that the scandal is not about the parents, it doesn't add anything to what is known already; it is all about the evil media.
Why was that journalist suddenly interested in the story that is 23 years old? Who encouraged him to dig at this precise moment in time? And told him what specifically to request through the FOI Act?
Why suddenly Earle Spencer resurfaced with his statements? His role in the whole interview saga is far from white and fluffy. He has been silent about this fakery for more than 20 years.
All of the above plus more nudge the cynical part of my nature and give plenty to think about.
That is why I think the aim is not a lawsuit but the PR.
I am not sure about the stature of limitation. It may be over and my idea about winning the case is wrong. Perhaps Spencer pushes for a settlement? A "donation" from BBC?
My instinct tells me PR and money are both involved.
"I am not sure about the stature of limitation. It may be over and my idea about winning the case is wrong. Perhaps Spencer pushes for a settlement? A "donation" from BBC?"
Yeah, I don't know about the statute of limitations. I'm not an attorney plus I don't live in the UK. But I guess the argument would be until the FOIA request, everything wasn't known. But Spencer DID know.
A donation to what I wonder. The upkeep of Diana's grave at Althorp? Charities run by "her boys?"
If you are interested in Diana death documentaries (how’s that for morbid alliteration?), check out Christopher Hitchens’ “Diana: The Mourning After”. Several versions are on YouTube. Hitchens points out that a silent majority of Britons weren’t interested in Diana or her funeral, and were shocked at the forced mourning the nation was forced to endure. He talks about how the media was cowed, critics were hushed, and the strangeness of people who never met Diana weeping in the streets and leaving teddy bears behind...excellent coverage of the bigger picture.
I sadly don’t think I’ll be able to humour you. ;o)
I cannot think for one minute that Harry or his PR team could get this documentary greenlit and made. There’s far too many people involved in the documentary that aren’t fans of Harry etc.
Investigators exist because they are interested in getting to the bottom of the truth, they don’t need prodding or goading. It’s just as likely Earl Spencer was asked about his dealings with Bashir by the journalist. The Earl said on Radio 2 that it was the journalist (or whatever his occupation is) who was relentless in getting the info via the Freedom of Information Act, not him.
Diana was well known for doing things her way and regularly ignoring sage advice. I did read recently she ignored the fraudulent bank statements warning and went ahead anyhow. She also said she regretted some of the things she said in the interview.
Until I watch the documentary I don’t know what info is within it that might tell us how we got to this stage. I don’t think that Earl Spencer has a snowy white reputation at all, but as I said yesterday two wrongs don’t make a right (ever). He’s acted poorly in the past, but it doesn’t make it right how Diana got completely mislead by Bashir etc despite any warnings from her brother. If it was via criminal behaviour it really shouldn’t matter who got the ball rolling into investigating it nor their agenda behind it. A (potential) crime is a crime, and should be brought to light and investigated, and taken to a court of law if need be.
But why is Harry allowed to still use a crown on his letterhead and why does he refer to his wife as "the duchess of Sussex" while referring to himself as Harry? Not even Meghan, duchess of Sussex.. just duchess of Sussex. She never refers to him as the duke.. she doesn't even call him Harry.. just "my husband".
Thank you, I will check it out.
I am not interested in gruesome details of Diana's untimely demise as such. It is more about the manipulation of facts to fit one agenda or the other that I find ugly.
What an interesting discussion we have! I appreciate it
I don't disagree with you for a second re the inappropriate means Bashir used or BBC going ahead with the whole thing. Bashir and BBC should get what they deserve.
I merely question the timing. The use of fake documents to get to Diana was in the public knowledge for 23 years. Why the journalist didn't investigate it earlier? Why Spencer didn't yell about it sooner? The FOI Act exists for many years by now.
I do not buy a selfless seeking truth motive from the journalist or from Spencer. Both are after something. One is after a big story and money, the other one -what?
Anyway, we will see how it develops.
"A (potential) crime is a crime, and should be brought to light and investigated, and taken to a court of law if need be."
I guess my question is what type of court of law? If truly there has been criminal behavior that's provable against certain people, and statute of limitations hasn't run out, then sure. Take the matter to criminal court.
But if it's a civil action for damages partly or entirely on the long-dead Diana's behalf, Diana who supposedly knew about the forgeries and went ahead with the interview over 25 years ago...then, no IMO.
What court of law, well it was mentioned in the British media The MET police could get involved, so it won’t be a civil case. Regardless, English law isn’t American law and I don’t think ? we have statute of limitations. I’m sure other more knowledgeable Nutties can assist if they so desire. ;o)
I should add that the BBC is also involved and implicated. This is a publicly funded institution by the British paying public. It’s not independently funded and so it can be questioned and held accountable for any decisions and undertakings it makes.
Thank you for that recommendation. This is the first time I've heard of that "silent majority" and I'm fascinated to hear that there was another side to the national spectacle I watched on TV.
I think this is something entirely independent of the royal family and most likely come about due to the findings produced via the Freedom of Information Act request by the journalist/investigator whose name escapes me.
I'm kicking myself now because I read an article either yesterday or the day before that named the journalist who persisted in making the FOI requests and I wanted to post the info here but got side-tracked. I believe he may have been a C4 journalist and he uncovered something like 67 pages of documents that had never been released before.
Internal documents obtained in a Freedom of Information request by the journalist Andy Webb, who directed a documentary about the interview for another British network, Channel 4, show that Mr. Hall cleared Mr. Bashir while punishing a graphic designer, Matthias Wiessler, who produced the altered bank statements.
I hope this explains things:
This type of `hat that lets in the rain' (thank you, Frederick the Great!) is called a `coronet
A crown has arches, a coronet is just a circlet - the clue's in the diminutive -let suffix, as in `pig and piglet'.
To tell the difference, ask if it has `arches' rising from the circlet and meeting in the middle? That's a crown.
Look at any Royal Coat of Arms as used in England or Wales - St Edward's Crown sits above the shield. Older versions may have a lion standing on the arches; it'd fall into the velvet cap if it didn't have anything to stand on!
Even non-royal dukes wear coronets when in their full rig, and depict them on their paperwork and silver.
The `crown' emoji is really a coronet.
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My feelings in the post about the Spencer kids was that it demonstrated what an unpleasant bunch they seemed, out of control - later, perhaps, Jane and Sarah wishing Di on Charles as a sick revenge on Charles. Just a passing thought, no other foundation for it, pure speculation.
I found, however, an interesting blogger who reflects on Harry's possible genetic inheritance from both sides, Windsor and Spencer:
https://www.royalfoibles.com/the-inherited-madness-of-prince-harry/
I've no idea whether the blogger is qualified in any way beyond being a thoughtful reader, so bear this in mind when you read it.
Of course, all sorts of of mental disturbance were lumped together in the past - Geo III's porphyria is now recognised as a metabolic disease with mental consequences, rather than mental illness per se. The persons we are told were put away because of `mental incapacity' may have had what we would now call `learning difficulties', not mental illness or senile dementia.
The final paragraph is a killer though:
"And now, of course, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have taken the unprecedented step of leaving their senior roles to pursue a private life. While on the surface their decision seems rational enough, when one takes the behavioral patterns established by Harry’s ancestors into account, some of which His Royal Highness has repeated, one can’t help but wonder if he genuinely realizes what the “real” world is like, ie a world where he isn’t surrounded by automatically deferential courtiers and staff dedicated to shielding him from the world. Unlike his most of (sic.) ancestors, Harry’s actions now have genuine, real world consequences, and if the state of his mental health is anything like the examples cited in this post, Harry might not be up to the task of being a “normal” person.
Note `genuine, real world consequences` - that's the problem.
Well perhaps M wrote the letter content for Just Harry.
I am aware that Christopher Hitchens had his detractors. He gave his opinions sharply and decisively, which turned off some people. But he was extremely intelligent and provided sober and reasoned opinions. But in the Diana documentary, he seems to be the only voice willing to talk about how the rest of Britain was getting on in the week after Diana’s death. I think that perspective should be included when reminiscing about that time. It was very strange. I was in London at the time and thought the mourning was out of proportion,
https://www.facebook.com/harrymarkled/
Harry, go and apologize. You have shown disrespect to the Americans, the Brits and The Queen.
AND THEY FIT HER! The clothes don't look like they have had to be let out. She is physically active of course and in great shape. And she can carry off 30-year-old clothes because she wears classic stuff.
I will therefore rephrase the question:
Why is Harry still allowed to use a coronet on his stationary?
Tatty, fwiw, interesting observation. How many is many? Were there others who disagreed?
I set up an M16 agent as a billionaire interested in making films or clothing line or financing the next president. Looks won’t matter to our desperate climbing yacht girl who is restless and will always wants more. I set my agent up with the grand property of a loyalist. Create a power background. Not really that hard to do at that level; I once heard about an example via someone who used to be in. And for a lark went with a team who asked me to play a little funny role as they inspected a quite fancy company that was totally a fake set-up to acquire millions in “green” gov stipends. Things can be done. Turns out thus stuff isn’t just made up for movies.
So, okay, now propel the agent actor into M’s orbit. Get her on the big private yacht. Dangle every possible cash amount and talk of keys to the dream. Show her a celeb or two. Offer power. Let her do a fake documentary in “his” studios. She dumps H, signs off, eager to get her claws on the bigger meat pie at last.
She is a severe narcissist— she won’t question the adoration of a top billionaire as anything but her due. And, she is sloppy and a poor study, running helter-skelter in her big shoes toward every target. Desperation has advantage now.
I, the ever steady BRF, then wait two more months. Then the grand dump as I pull the rug out while she is getting a wedding dress fitting in Paris. She is out, has signed rights away, is on her own again, head spinning, done and dusted. Hoof off, M. The billionaire and trail all disappear into mist. We gaslight her for miles. I put the revenue service on her case forever, too. And, I have the tapes, and files, ready to go including her faked tell-all documentary.
Harry is escorted back to the UK. He is housed in the country with daily therapy, military physical workouts, and a dry-out doctor-attended program. Stripped of all titles and his place in line, eventually given a labor job on the Duchy farms and basic housing, go be normal, mate. One peep and you are truly out with no coins.
Easier than endless BRF humiliation, public cries for the end of the monarchy, and cheaper in the long run than indulging their bills and lawsuits and damage, even the profitable forever-here widowhood some here have mentioned.
Her greed and self-love are her two most exploitable traits. So, use them.
How does Archie fit in this scenario?
I hope that that made it easier for the thousand or more people who called to complain.
I hope that tatty realises that her comments backfire on her.
They need to nip this PR drive in the bud before it grows legs.
I don’t think there is an Archie, and thus I would say he figures in as he has thus far in their busy lives: not at all.
As for the baby models, photoshopped images of JM’s babies, & baby girl in pom hat, I assume they will be fine wherever they are.
Ooooh! Ooooh! (waves hand wildly in air) I'll go! Pick me, pick ME! (Can I have a cob cottage?)
Many thanks for the journalist’s name Andy Webb ;o) and info on the documentary. I just need to find time to settle down and watch both parts. ;o)
Possible answers:
Answer 1: Because he hasn't yet been stripped of his dukedom.
Answer 2: Because using the coronet wasn't expressly forbidden?
Answer 3: If it was forbidden, he's ignoring it.
Anwser 4: And even if he loses the title, he won't buy plain writing paper because he can't stand being parted from his money. (IMO)
I don't know much about Thanksgiving other than what I gave seen in movies and TV shows. A holiday for families to get together and feast on traditional foods? (We call it Xmas without the pressies!) Somehow connected to early settlers?
I actually had to do American history in my final year, but it was about the Great Depression and the New Deal, and, through personal interest, I studied the Cold War and the 'building of a new world' after WWII.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all!
I had a look at this article. Yes, there is a photo of Catherine and William holding hands, and of her almost belly cupping when pregnant.
Is the criticism of Meghan unfair?
Yes and no.
The inner character is unconsciously perceived by people. It is actually the character of Meghan that is totally unsuitable for royalty. Her self serving selfishness, shallowness, entitlement, reckless spending, and smug arrogance is actually what people dislike.
As for Harry, I do think he has attractive and good qualities, but his relationship with Meghan has suppressed that and allowed his dark side to emerge.
William was right in advising waiting before rushing into marriage. It not only gives you time to find out who the other person is, but also who you become in a relationship with that person!
Meghan could not wait ... she did not have a home or job or career, and she could not hang around in London for years waiting for a marriage proposal.
”The poll, carried out from 12pm-9pm on November 12, asked: “Should the Queen strip Meghan and Harry of their titles?”
The overwhelming majority of readers thought the pair should lose their official titles, with 98 percent (7,693 people) voting “yes”."
If that's the mood nationwide, then I hope the BRF takes note.
https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/content/about-us/give-a-little-love?utm_source=exacttarget&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Waitrose131120&clickthroughID=0
Yes, they're a supermarket, an ethical one liked by the middling and upper sort of people (it was in their Tetbury branch where, all those years ago, Camilla was pelted with bread rolls and, more recently to a London branch, that La Markle had to move her own backside when she wasn't offered a lift by Duchess Catherine.)
I'll be interested to see how H$M's WKD offering compares, even in the production values it's got to be better than their visual communication efforts. Waitrose, of course, is a business and I expect cynics will say their support for charity is enlightened self-interest but they're not posing as humanitarians, humanitarians who fail to conceal their unashamed avarice.
Other supermarkets are available, as they'd say on the Beeb (ie BBC) - Waitrose are not alone in contributing to their local charities.
(PS I like the bus route - it's the Two-two-two to Tooting!)
The flag flown at BP is the royal insignia and indicates if the monarch is in residence or not. Hundreds, if not thousands, of years of tradition and meaning could not pierce the crowd hysteria, and so the flag was flown half mast.
A family in shock and two traumatised boys forced to leave the privacy and comfort of Balmoral and present themselves to a hysterical, grasping crowd.
Although the royal dukedom was granted by the Queen, Parliament must remove it. In time of the virus and economic disaster for many, Parliament must spend time doing this? A royal title once bestowed is rarely removed, and precedence gives the reason as treason in a time of war. The only people who would benefit from such a request is the Harkles as they become the centre of attention.
Recent history has set the precedence of women who marry into the royal family losing the HRH on divorce. However, I do not see the Harkles divorcing any time soon. On what grounds would the HRH be removed, and how would this affect others with HRH in the family?
Perhaps there are courtiers and historians grappling with the issue of the HRH even now. Not the self-proclaimed experts that feature in the tabloids, but real experts who can advise the Queen on the issue in the context of past, present and future.
Meghan can never be Princess Meghan, just as she is not Duchess Meghan. She can be called Princess Henry or Duchess of Sussex (still has the HRH, but asked not to use it). I do wish some real experts would inform the public of these facts, over and over again, until everyone gets it.
But as I mentioned, this is it, his last chance. I don’t care that he’s a not a natural at this since it is mean to be a punishment to him, along with an education. That is the wholeidea — making amends for serious damage through hard labor, working from the ground up, rehabbing the mind, the very last stop for a family career suited to his scant abilities.
So to your very good point:
One whining peep, one surly complaint, one scowl over a shove, or mean prod at a workmate, he’s out. And we can amend that to clearly include not hoisting himself out of bed on the daily or refusing to dig out on hot steamy summer days, lazy complaints about sneezing and aching muscles — any misstep, he’s out. This is the new Duchy military, mate. Out you go. No cottage, no work, no coins. Just like real life.
MoS headlines at the ready: Duchy Dobs Duke, He’s Out; or perhaps, Muck Off, Harry. Let him know they’ll run.
I take your point re royal titles, however if a vast majority of British citizens are extremely unhappy at the latest antics of H&M, the royal family has to act of they are to survive. So far, sadly, there has been apathy and little else and it might be time for the review to be brought forward. Something has to be done and be seen to be done.
Disclaimer: I wouldn't know most of the Hollywood Illiterati from a crack ho (and the difference IMO is in the amount of the payment).
"What the HELL...are you RAKING LEAVES in a tropical storm?" "Yes. They were impeding drainage." He cast his eyes heavenward and said something like "Help me, Jesus!" and stomped back inside.
I join with you in not wanting the perk-thick royal bric-a-brac life. Simpler the better. When we go to stay on the sea coast in summer, the simplicity of life, simple cottage, are everything. Books and plates are enough, as they say. In Germany, the little house was simple, immaculate, just the basics, chopping wood for the wood stoves as the sources of all hear, gardening in the summer and canning for winter with the neighbors. I went from thick big city life to that, loved it.
Reminds me of two experiences from my past that relate to our duo’s silly quest for shiny things. First, when very young I was given the opportunity to interview one of my all-time favorites, Eartha Kitt, for a article. I was so nervous, got to her agent’s office in NYC near a well known restaurant (Russian Tea Room) quite early, was briefed....sweating palms that I would meet this legend. In she walks — stunningly beautiful and filled with energy, casually dressed, carrying big jars in a canvas tote. She laughed that she had taken the bus here and everyone looked because the jars were clanking all the way. She explained she had fruit trees at her Connecticut country home, climbed trees herself getting fruit to make into her special fresh healthy juice, which she kindly brought for her agent and I in the bug glass jars. It was delicious, she put nervous me at ease with her joy, charm, and grace and we had a marvelous two hour conversation about a life, from true appalling hardship to success, that ludicrous MM will never achieve, understand, or be worthy of. I will never forget that day, or Ms, Kitt’s warmth and kindness to a little nervous nobody like me. The hotel staff were so excited that I got to meet her and we shared the juice!
Second, via a work project, I met the now late Lord Wedgwood, a large, kind man, the classic sort of imposing florid lordship of fable, immaculately dressed but also so kind and sweet. We talked Wedgwood but ended up chatting about books and he mentioned how in spite of all the trappings and position of life, what he loved best was quiet time and reading, but in a sweet not angry whining way. He even suggested through his assistant we continue the chat over a quick lunch. I had the sense he respected his role and birth, carried out duties such as this with kindness and dedication, even if it wasn’t his total cup of tea. Unlike Hazza he wasn’t being a jerk about it. I read later he was married to an American woman too, but they lived quietly in the Pennsylvania countryside where she was from, doing good works, raising a family, belonging to local clubs, life under the radar in that sort of eastern circle, unless duty called. So, it could have been done that nicely, but I suppose H lacks Lord W’s grace, acceptance of role, sense of duty, ability to build a truly private life without turmoil and histrionic display.
Politicians, many of them, are fine-tuned to other people. Harry and Megan would come off as predatory grifters and narcissists looking to latch onto someone's coattails. As the old wise saying goes, you don't spit into the wind, you don't touch Superman's cape.
SwampWoman is American.
WBBM is British.
Totally embarrassed!
@WBBM, Swampwoman and AnT
We have the best storytellers here!!
Thank you all for the tales.
And thank you to all the Nutties for wisdom, insight and just the perfect amount of snark.
😁
The reporters behind the Theresa Longo Fans Twitter celeb news thread are investigating and....
Nov 11, 2020 post:
“We are STILL working with local businesses to hone the date
of this shoot. It’s looking more and more like it was done the
week before!!!”
(Emphasis theirs.)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry announce new press team as couple kick-start future plans
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have just announced who will be taking on the new roles within their press team.
Pinterest's former communications lead Christine Schirmer will become the newly created role of head of communications, while Toya Holness will become the couple's press secretary.
I got you mixed up didn't I?
SwampWoman is American.
WBBM is British.
Totally embarrassed!
No worries on my part! I'm honored to be mistaken for WBBm.
Does anyone have the details of the photoshoot from years ago? Where the photographer was surprised she came with an entourage despite not really being an A Liste
It's traditional for families to celebrate together, travelling from all over the country to meet (there are very few Thanksgiving movies, unlike at Christmas, but the very best in my opinion is the comedy Planes, Trains and Automobiles, starring the late John Candy (a Canadian) and Steve Martin.
Food for Thanksgiving is legendary and everybody overeats; the traditional meal includes roast turkey with gravy, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie for dessert.
Faith goes back to the holiday's origins, when the first English settlers decided to hold a feast to give thanks for surviving the first year.
As for football - there are a lot of football games that day and fans can spend most of the day on the couch in front of the television.
Continuing another tread here: I think it would be a mistake for the Bidens to invite the Harkles to the White House (although I'll bet that MM is working on it - expect to see newx items on 'the Duke and Duchess have been invited to visit the Bidens at the WH and attend the inauguration' which is MM's usual MO whenever she is angling for an invitation). The duo are toxic and everyone who gets involved with them gets markled sooner or later. Stand4Heroes has announced that JCMH will be one of their guests on their November 18 Veterans' Day event and the comments on their Facebook page are scathing.
Christine Schirmer and Markle seem to share the same plastic surgeon.
Well, that right there explains her bad judgment in accepting a position that will probably end her career.
He stuck on a little drawing of a window, with the King and Queen looking out, and a printed crown cut from a piece of scrap paper from his desk at the Post Office.
(That was in the days when the GPO was a branch of Government and he was a civil servant and how I came to have a seat in a stand in Whitehall three years later to watch the Coronation procession. He'd won the chance to buy 2 tickets in the Civil Service ballot, each costing the best part of a week's pay.)
Perhaps I was a precocious child as I took it for granted that `Of course, everyone knows about the Royal Standard, don't they?' so it was a shock, after the death of Diana, to realise that this was not the case and that it left them open to manipulation. Most important of all, it is never flown at half mast because it represents the presence of the Monarch on the premises.
I don't know how long it flew at Sandringham after the death of the King but I'm sure it must have been on the bonnet of the car that picked her up from the plane that had flown her back from Kenya. It was reported that when she saw the large black cars drawn up the runway she exclaimed `Oh God! They've sent the hearses!'
She had flown out as Princess Elizabeth but became Queen when she was asleep in at Treetops Lodge.
There's a comforting circularity in William proposing to Catherine in Kenya, in a not-too-dissimilar location, Rutundu Cabins (well, they're both log-built...). The one became Queen, the other started a clear path to becoming Queen.
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AnT - I love your recollections of Eartha Kitt and the fiendish plan to separate H & M. The ideas are linked - provide M with an o-old fashioned mi-i-i-llionaire.
To hell with Chopin and Bizet, the songs of yesterday, string quartets and Polynesian carols, one sniff of adoration, backed by the sound of oil wells slurp-slurp-slurping into the barrels and she'll be off.
She won't care about her eco principles, as long as the black stuff keeps coming. As for Archie, she won't need that sound-proofed nursery as she'll have abandoned him, so he and the dogs can accompany H back to Dear Old Blighty.
Did they shoot the dishonorable cemetery images.....an entire week....before releasing (selling) the photos?
That would prove beyond any doubt that they do not give a (expletive deleted) about any of the dead veterans they were stomping across, nor the ones (allegedly) honored with a cheap-ass wreath. It was just a cheap publicity stunt. If this is an example of their new office, good grief. (I would hope that actual people could explain why that was a very bad idea, but I doubt they would understand because ME!)
No apology necessary, Sandie.
An understandable confusion, perhaps? I think we share a similar, naughty, sense of humour - and both like sheep! Were SwampWoman ever to become a Duchy tenant over here, I'd be delighted to help with the lambing!
And neither of us, like all true Nutties, want to see Markle win.
Glad you've got a "helper", even if it takes longer! I so miss those days.
I kind of think a lot of people are going to notice that Meghan is spending Harry's inheritance on PR and publicity, and controlling her image!
This is the head!ine in The Sun:
Meghan Markle hires two publicity experts in desperate bid to save her ailing image after embarrassing PR blunders
Many thanks for the light reprieve regarding Megsy trying to salvage her image. No-one or nothing is going to save them, they are sinking faster than the Titanic.
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry announce new press team as couple kick-start future plans
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have just announced who will be taking on the new roles within their press team.
Pinterest's former communications lead Christine Schirmer will become the newly created role of head of communications, while Toya Holness will become the couple's press secretary.
Thanks for the laughs. Every time I'm confronted afresh with the sheer depth and breadth of Meg's self-delusion, it is so astounding that I just have to laugh. She floors me.
'Head of Communications'? 'Press team'? 'Press Secretary'?? Why in the world would two unemployed slackers with no official jobs or affiliations need an office staff to rival, oh . . .say, Kensington Palace or perhaps Sen./VP-elect Harris's office? Where will they be working from--Archie's playroom in Mudslide Towers, with all its natural light? . . a trailer in the back garden? And they will be paid with what, exactly? Oh, right--all those Netflix millions that they're making.
Ha!
The Numfarkles have produced NOTHING but international embarrassment. This is more of Smeghan's Salad Spinning. SMH. So very desperate to be seen as 'successes in America, on their own grandiose terms.' In actuality, I believe they have nothing, apart from whatever blood money she scraped together with selling her cemetery cosplay photos.
She had access to a full press/communications staff as the Duchess of Sussex . . in Britain. This was paid for. She had housing in Crown properties, wardrobe allowances, free first class travel & a full household staff. How totally brain-damaged are the both of them to assume that Charles would be amenable to paying for their 'American press team' and lifestyle?
This couple . . always 'making future plans' and constantly talking about their 'plans'. It's a whole lotta talk. What have the two ACTUALLY done since they have been married except piss people off and waste millions of taxpayer monies?
They DO nothing . .they HAVE nothing . . .they ARE nothing.
I don't believe they have anything . . no press team, no Mudslide Towers, no baby. It's all lies. Meghan is the Mother of Lies. Or in another word . .Satan. Harry is Faust, the dumb fool who sold his soul to the Devil for transient glory.
This couple . . always 'making future plans' and constantly talking about their 'plans'. It's a whole lotta talk. What have the two ACTUALLY done since they have been married except piss people off and waste millions of taxpayer monies?
They DO nothing . .they HAVE nothing . . .they ARE nothing.
I don't believe they have anything . . no press team, no Mudslide Towers, no baby. It's all lies. Meghan is the Mother of Lies. Or in another word . .Satan. Harry is Faust, the dumb fool who sold his soul to the Devil for transient glory.
I'm giving you a standing ovation even though you can't see it.
Are they going to be signing approvals of Bidens leadership in the rose garden?
Will any credible news outlet or journalists give them the time of day?
When will "royal" warrants and "royal" garden parties begin??
When do they get the 60+ person secret service detail they desperately "need" for "protection" and pomp?
This reminds me of a story a friend told me once about a man in Australia claiming his own country with his own laws etc. It was such loonacy people just laughed and carried on.
I don't think your average American will be very tolerant of this nonsense if they are trying to turn a constitutional Republic like the USA into a constitutional monarchy like the UK. They just don't seem to grasp that they are not relevant. Perhaps, the monarchy approves of this"expansoon" into the US. Silence is passive approval.
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It says they have not learned anything.
I'm guessing this is the hiring situation? PR for an unknown entity + website?
I know people like this, who run small tech biz, and have female fronting PR people. It's alllll talk. Talk to raise money from investors constantly. No surprise Meghan's putting on a big front and show to get people to give their for-profit company Archewell, money. 'investment' whatever.
She's doing everything backwards and trying to stay one foot in front of the other.
It is so expensive to run a tech enterprise. Minimum $2-6MM a year on a softball content website. Then try to make money... And growth...
Being a 'nonprofit' can be an ok angle for them but they need to get specific about how they plan to implement their ideals via tangible actions or products (this many events, this platform of engagement) even dumb money doesn't just give away 30k for fun. There has to be a concept, which we haven't seen yet.
I think they use bank of Charles this year to set it all up, Netflix first look next year, and Meghan's cosplay merching.
It could work out but this kind of biz is relentless (she's working so hard, said Harry) and what's the end game? To sell it? To make it make money? To keep fundraising? It's a huge commitment.
I wonder if it frustrates her that she's having to put in all this work.
The Bidens would of course recognize the name 'Prince Harry', however if they were asked about 'Meghan Markle' with no context, they would say 'Who?'
Of all the things that need to done, I would expect that entertaining the Markles is last on the list. Plus they're kyptonite. Someone to stay far away from. They dissed the Queen of England, for pete's sake.
The Bidens would have staff that mm would have to go through. She can't just call up the Bidens personally and wrangle her way in. Just like H can't just call up the Queen and go 'Yo...S'up? Harry here.'
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I don't understand why people with professional jobs would quit their perfectly good jobs to go work for these two.
They're nothing and nobody. The only cause they promote is themselves.
Look at their track record. Nothing but failures and embarrassment on a catastrophic level. Why would you want to work for someone like that?
What have they done in the 7.5 months since they ditched the RF? Nothing.
All the meaningful, wonderful, new ideas they had but were denied implementation by the RF...where are they? Haven't heard a word about them.
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So grateful for your (unpaid) efforts! And of course to Nutty for letting us even have this blog!!
I usually see the John Lewis one on TV, I like this year's animated furniture and think I get the message...
I might try Waitrose delivery yet, as my last Tesco order suffered from poor customer service.
A lot of people in marketing and PR don't have jobs right now.
She didn't quit to join Meghan's amazing initiative, she just needed a job any job and startup culture is ripe with corporate rejects.
She doesn't need a PR guru but a PSW*. They're free in the UK.
Which brings me to a nasty thought - will she try to come back to Britain? Would the US tolerate one of its, ahem, `prominent' (or do I mean `conspicuous'?) citizens being certified insane?
Will the IRS get her first? Can she escape in time? What can the Brits do if she does come? Wait for the next thrilling episode!
- Cue image of woman tied to railway lines... and see animation at
https://thebioscope.net/2010/11/23/tied-to-the-tracks/
UK rail travellers in particular are warmly recommend to watch this!
*PSW = Psychiatric Social Worker
I think growing up on a TV set watching, not participating, created an impression to her that image can be staged. That's true, but it isn't all just an illusion. Her work with the Tig and her history of using PR are more examples of her need to create a persona instead of just living her life.
She has humiliated and cast away her father, one person who gave her a good education seems to have spoiled and loved her. She and PH publicly disrespected HMTQ with the statements that she didn't own the word "Royal." The RF was very good to H&M, just like her father was. It seems their crime was that they dared to tell her "no."
They can employ a new PR person every week here in the States. It is their abhorrent behavior and their very public temper tantrums that shape people's perception of them, not PR.
Now, they were born in a less enlightened age and I wonder how many of the critics have had first-hand experience of trying to cope with someone who has, perhaps, senile dementia? Of not being recognised by one's own mother? Of being mistaken for one's grandmother? Of trying to reassure one's Mum that her young daughter is not late back from school and is in fact the middle-aged woman who is beside her and talking to her?
The poor Bowes Lyon ladies were aware that they were connected with someone important but whether they would have recognised HM without her regalia, as an older woman, is another matter.
We share only one eighth of our genes with our first cousins, yet it's as if the Telegraph article is using the Bowes Lyon link as the sole reason for H's instability, ignoring the Spencer connection.
Pure mischief making.
"Which brings me to a nasty thought - will she try to come back to Britain?"
Do you think this is wrong of me to say I wouldn't mind them succeeding in something meaningful in the USA? Harry is royal and thus visible. If he can attach himself to a good cause and help this good cause I would cheer. Young athletes? Nature reserves? Rare species
preservation programmes? Hospices? Rehabilitation for veterans with PTSD? There are hundreds of excellent cases that would benefit from the attention he is still capable of pulling.
I am at a loss though inventing a meaningful good deed for Megs. Cooking show? Organic makeup line? Exclusive resort for damaged celebrities with yoga and life advice? My imaginations doesn't do any better. They are businesses, not good causes but can't find anything else for her to do. She just doesn't seem to fit anywhere she would need to care about somebody for real.
Or - and this is a scary thought - they don't have anything left but notoriety, and if they actually try to do something other then PR the world will lose the remnants of interest in them? Perhaps they understand this already.
The PR lady from Pinterest would have been let go during Covid.
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I saw someplace that the Pinterest woman had lost her job there in July. And has been with the Markles about a month.
Could explain the difference in focus and tone recently. More of a focus on H, the real royal. And the pushing of military Harry, trying to capture patriotic goodwill.
Although I think she misread the military thing. 1) Military isn't as big of a deal in the US as it is in Britain, and 2) British military don't like Harry.
Misreading has been a problem all along for mm. She had American pr while in Britain, who apparently didn't(or didn't want to) understand anything about British culture.
And she still has American pr, trying to push stuff about H, without understanding British culture. And now apparently American culture either. That cemetery thing was a colossal fail.
I'd hate to be responsible for that one as my first project for the Markles. In any other company pr would have been fired on day 2 of that backlash. Actually, that project would never have been greenlighted to start with.
Everyone knows you don't profit off the military dead.
The PR lady from Pinterest would have been let go during Covid.
A lot of people in marketing and PR don't have jobs right now.
She didn't quit to join Meghan's amazing initiative, she just needed a job any job and startup culture is ripe with corporate rejects.
Well, may God have mercy on her then because Markle won't. I believe that there are a lot more ancillary people that are about to become redundant that will be told to "learn to code" (which is about as helpful as being told "learn to perform cardiac surgery"). There aren't many startups that can afford froufrou in a high tax environment.
Definitely--if the cemetery cosplay of Mugsy tramping over the graves of American war dead in her (merched) stilettos or the recent 'Two Strangers on a Bench' political endorsement were the work of a *paid PR professional* . . that chick needs to be fired.
Noo . . .the Numfarkles recent unravelling at speed have Mugsy's prints all over them. Here's my theory--Notice how we have not heard a single bean about the Harkles hiring a 'communications team' until just . . .today, yesterday, whenever that nugget surfaced. And yet this team of high-level PR strategists being paid for their expertise has been working for the Numnutzes for over four months? Why then have the last four months comprised the most epic disasters of year since they left the Royal family? The non-existent communications 'strategy' is all 100% Smeg. But this is a classic move of hers--fob off responsibility when things go sideways on somebody else. She's 'introducing' her 'team' just so she can 'fire' them later for their egregious blunders of sensitivity. If this person whose name they dropped actually exists . . and she hopes to ever have a career again in the industry post-Pinterest, aligning herself with the Noxious (K)nobheads is a strange way to go about it. Is it some sort of trading for favors via shared ties (Sunshine Sachs?) It seems like career suicide to be name-dropped in the same sentence as the NNs.
It's kinda like we only heard about Mudslide Towers allegedly 2 months after the Harkles moved in. Uh, huh. More like, Tyler Perry had kicked them out and they needed another backdrop for their amateur Zoom chats.
Another indicator Meg is lying, again . . . If they've had a communications team since July, why are all their Zoom vids such utter shite? Certainly the quality and composition would be much better if professionals had a hand in?
Meg is consumed with the trappings of status--mansion, limo, driver, staff, 'private secretaries', personal make up artists, haute couture, jewels, hobnobbing with A-listers at elite watering holes, multimillion dollar deals . . .only, she doesn't actually have any of this. She learned years ago about the power of buying press to make herself seem more than she was. It worked--it turned a painfully bad actress and sometime goodtime girl, who had no talent but was occasionally decent looking when styled for free--into a global humanitarian who snared a prince. Only, once Meg achieved the level she'd been aiming at for 20 years, people expect to see some REAL accomplishment. There is nothing real behind her 'brand'--she's an empty shell. Harry is the same. PR is supposed to serve a real product/company/person by polishing it for an audience--but there is still something underneath which is what is being 'sold'. Meg saw the immediate gratification boost that came with a dose of pretty constructed creative fiction about a person who didn't exist--Sparkle Markle--and it has become her drug. She's got nothing to sell but the empty package of her faked up self. That has been all too apparent since she stepped on the world wide stage . . but she's never going to quit, as long as she lives. She will always find a way to get money to publish fiction about herself because without it, she does not exist.
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The PR lady from Pinterest would have been let go during Covid.
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I saw someplace that the Pinterest woman had lost her job there in July. And has been with the Markles about a month."
Interesting timing. Pinterest had been struggling for years, but it's shares took off post Covid. Unlike other social media sites, Pinterest is actually considered a "pre shopping" platform that benefited from increased online shopping post Covid.
So, it's interesting that she was let go just as the company was finally becoming successful.
On the other hand, the fact that she comes from an online pre shopping platform will help with managing Markle's merching sites. (On the other hand, if she was good at merching, she would not have been let go by Pinterest.)
Schirmer, Holy, Holnes, Sunshine Sachs.
Security, household help, childcare, medical insurance.
Mega mansion mortgage, taxes, utilities, food, cars, gardeners, fees.
Cars, security drivers, private jets, cosmetic surgery/Botox, wardrobe, wigs.
Four and five digit fees to be allowed to speak at conferences.
..........all this from Zoom calls, merching a few pairs of shoes via cemetery photos?
I don’t think so.
Backers.
Another indicator Meg is lying, again.... her lips are moving.
Exactly. Given Smugsy’s penchant for lascivious burger grilling, I think we have to go with “All sizzle, no steak.” There is no substance to either of them. This really didn’t hinder Harry as a royal because he was well protected, cared for, covered for, and the only real requirements being asked of him were to be superficially charming to the public well on occasional meet and greets, to dress well in formal events and take care of his uniforms. He had staff for that. He didn’t have to worry that he was dim or untalented as long as he played his role.
Meg had to get an education and earn a living, and given her slender natural talent and personality deficits, she actually was doing Pretty well and had a decent life in Toronto. A continuing role For seven seasons on a successful TV show, a small but successful lifestyle blog, a part-time modeling career… The contract with Reitman’s may not have been Dolce and Gabbana, But it was a solid accessible national brand. She had enough money or perks for a stylish midpoint wardrobe and some nice trips abroad. She could afford to buy herself Cartier. A lot of women would’ve killed for her life in Toronto, and if she had stayed the course, she might have become a modest celebrity for that market. If she hadn’t been such a bitch who used people On her relentless climb, and ditched assignments she felt beneath her, she might have been able to parlay her modest show business career into more. But her reach always far exceeded her grasp. She’s got no intrinsic abilities that make her special. She’s paid a lot of money to maximize her natural physical attributes. Compared to where she started in life, she did come along way In Toronto. It’s really amazing that she got that far. She’s way overshot her natural level, and anybody who can’t see what an empty clanging gong she is is blind.
I think she will have a spectacular fall, but it’s just taking a whole lot longer than we might wish. I do regret that William is not closer to the throne, because he will not tolerate what his elders have tolerated so far. The question is, how much damage is the royal family going to allow the Harkles to do to them Before Wiliam ascends. He may have nothing to ascend to if the legitimate anger at the conduct of the renegades is not addressed. This gray rock approach the BRF is taking may be effective eventually, but they do not have infinite time to make their position known.
Schirmer, Holy, Holnes, Sunshine Sachs.
Security, household help, childcare, medical insurance.
Mega mansion mortgage, taxes, utilities, food, cars, gardeners, fees.
Cars, security drivers, private jets, cosmetic surgery/Botox, wardrobe, wigs.
Four and five digit fees to be allowed to speak at conferences.
..........all this from Zoom calls, merching a few pairs of shoes via cemetery photos?
I don’t think so.
Backers.
*shrugs* I just can't figure it out unless there is a lot of vaporware here. For example, if the "new hires" are just hired for occasional consulting work with the promise that they'll be full-time soon? Maybe the "house" is rented by the hour for events. Certainly the clothes are provided by the company she's merching for.
Or, as you say, backers with *very* deep pockets.
If a lot of people are going to be dumping buckets of money into the Arche well, I do believe that I shall put out a begging bowl as well.
My guess is their many hires are hoping for a Netflix connection, political introduction, future Goop-like merching assignment. This might have been hinted at by those paying. And there are people who even as adults are ridiculously entranced by cheap fame. And who think they can star-climb to other better assignments with real “stars” or celebs.
Or, Not Meghan Markle’s assessment of PR workers in need of jobs. I cannot imagine any other logical reason to associate with these two spectacularly unaccomplished, childish twits.
I JUST REALIZED my list above doesn’t include —-legal fees! Revoke my license to comment!
Apologies, it has been a long long intense work week and I need sleep, but still can’t unwind, lol.
So it would seem. But the question I keep coming back to sense May 19, 2018 and the corpse bride wedding yes… WHO are these shadow backers and what do they get for aligning themselves and their cash with this perpetual dumpster fire that is the Narkles?
As a sleeper agent planted within the monarchy to bring it down, she sucks. There is that ongoing rumor and making the rounds that another, younger, prettier biracial actress was approached with the offer of millions of dollars of hush money if she would agree to date Prince Harry And presumably go through with the wedding. This shady and out of the blue offer Did not sit right with the young lady and she declined to get involved. So then the scenario goes, the shadow backers targeted Meg Who is well known among the shady and connected from her yachting activities. The shadow backer theory however does not make sense in light of what we now know: Meg has been stocking the royal family and Harry’s dead mother since 1992 at least. Would the shadow backers know this? And certainly, They could have found another candidate willing to do this who was not suffering from a personality disorder that had made her toxic poison to anyone who had ever known her? Someone with a modicom of Professionalism and without the extremely messy and dodgy personal life and family?
Successful revolutionaries cannot be narcissists, because they have to be willing to serve the cause, even if it means sacrificing themselves. If the reason that Meg became Duchess of Sussex was due to an organized cabal Funding her to bring down the monarchy from the inside, they recruited the wrong girl, because she couldn’t even stay on the inside barely a year, and we all know that Meg is in all this for herself alone. These backers if they exist Would have to be from Britain or the Commonwealth... there would be zero benefit to the United States in bringing down the British monarchy. Britain is an ally. And we enjoy our special relationship with them, But the United States it’s not dependent on the mother country. Even so, hurting Britain would not be to our benefit. We’ve got plenty of factions trying to bring our government down to worry over much about propping up or dismantling the monarchy. The average American does not give the British royalty much of a thought. It seems like the people that would really hate what the British Royals stand for are in Harry’s homeland. I just think that they could have and would have selected someone far better for the purpose then Smeg. She’s gone too far off the reservation to be any use to them.
I tend to think that Sméagol Just got lucky through a combination of her amoral relentlessness and Harry’s Congenital weakness and stupidity. If shadow backers really wanted to bring down the British crown, the heir they would’ve targeted with the honey trap would’ve been William. Harry is in an irrelevance. His wife, even more so. Imagine what would’ve happened if William had had his head turned by an American showgirl and declared that he was leaving the family to go be a Hollywood celebrity. Then they would really be problems!
I agree. PR changed their moves to the obvious- Prince Harry is the influencer. Military is loved by both countries. Lean into his authenticity. I'm out of a job, and will say yes to Meghan to keep my job. Many people work for crazy people to keep food on the table.
Enter Meghan. But we are a COUPLE. And he is in the USA because of ME. I'm in the photo. Full stop.
PR- shakes head. Sees disaster. Tells her they advised to be only Harry, but it was worth the shot.
Here's the thing. PR has to be given direction at any firm. They don't just make things up and serve as CEO.
Meghan is a know-it-all and won't listen. That's going to cause major disaster in a wannabe-real company in the USA. She can't separate herself or her ego from this entire saga.
If she could maybe they could get somewhere. I imagine she blames the cemetery cosplay gone wrong on her PR team. Even though, it was her idea. Go figure.
AnT, I think her backer is Prince Charles. For now.
We are going to let you off with a warning this time. Don't let it happen again. 😋👮♀️👮♂️
Instead of “Two Strangers On A Bench,” I think Hitchcock’s movie “Two Strangers On A Train” fits the two rejectables, DAS much better. ‘IT” has a hold over JH, like the actors in the film, trying to get away with murder.
Turning so many of these things over in my mind, I went from thinking she was just a girl in love at the right place in time, to a California climber reality star TOWIE or RHOBH sort who got lucky, to ruthless climber starlet yachter with basic blog who got lucky, to viewing her as a delusional stalker who got lucky, to seeing her as dangerously greedy sociopathic narcissist who got lucky. Whew.
I then came to the point when the tin hat went on. It started with the obvious fake pregnancy and ended with the plastic baby. Find me similar in any royal family or power family. Go on, Royal Reporters, I’ll wait. Don’t forget being chased away from a car boot at the polo.
Russian oligarch mansions in two locations? Endless inexplicable money dumps on PR and legal fees. Epstein notebook, NXIVM cult connection. Peculiar twinsy best friend from a rich family tightly linked to Canadian government. A pimp-like male buddy with no searchable background who has a job that takes him around the world, with secret lodgings everywhere. Dad’s mysterious lotto win (look up the details), mom’s mysterious acquisition of the LA house (look it up). Secrets,secrets, never seen at any house they inhabit.
I said once before, what a freaky fortuitous trail for a sulky mean little LA teen with a very basic background.
I think she was selected because narcissism left her cold, emotionless, ruthless, willing to do anything at all for the money and power she thinks she deserves. Her yachting skills were a plus. Her interest in the BRF, helpful. Perhaps she was meant to harpoon William via Harry. Yet, being M, grabbed low hanging fruit. But...why?
A hedge fund multimillionaire sociopath from an Asian nation who a friend dated for a few years often complained that he and his Russian partners felt the grip the BRF had on England, and deep traditions in the U.K. as a whole, were annoyingly in the way of development of the U.K. as some sort of platform. Big finance obviously, world center, but an emotionally clenched place not ready to be trampled by developers and turned into a slick, paved over, anything goes landing spot. The Queen exerts too much grandma energy, Charles loathes development, riches are inaccessible that would be better exploited. They could buy up sports clubs and houses, but the best land, the most land, was generationally inaccessible. This was maddening. Why should these stale people be in their way? The UK as a pivotal platform, remember, not a final goal in itself.
So there may be those who have similar thoughts on a bigger scale who would see value in hiring a hardcore working girl to help crumble such a family grip, without understanding the true depth and bend of British culture.
Prying people’s hearts away from the cozy old true north the Queen still represents to many would be vital to complete a sea change. Charles isn’t as idealized, is easy to shunt aside.
MM delivered some of this by throwing mud, slicing a son off, and using money and insults unchecked. I think her rancor toward William and Catherine could be rage at job failure, because as they rise as the glowing next royal generation, a fresh engaging true north, the smash and grab cannot happen. The H&M attack against free speech via their moaning lawsuits may have been another last hope that backfired expensively. Run!
The couch surfing nothingness may have been a time of new orders from backers reappearance in the US with new ideas for an LA platform. The backers might still think she can do damage via ugly BRF secrets on Netflix? A last gambit to push disgust, increase anti-monarchy sentiment? Go walk on graves, too!
It won’t work. M is an uncontrollable idiot, their antics are increasingly repellent and the BRF seems secure with William. One last desperate push and then, she is probably off the payroll. Whoever backed her won’t be happy; I speculate that the absence of Markus may somehow be related to this: bad hire, Markus!
(Tin Hat off!)
Not Meghan Markle, you and Hikari might very well be right, and probably are! Charles may still be in.
But my tin hat theory (above) somehow remains the pebble in my shoe of thoughts.
Your point about PR requiring the direction of a CEO is well made, and something every potential new Harkle hire needs to consider. Because this is one very complicated CEO scenario.
Perhaps the backers have money skills, but stupid at this kind of thing, playing a dumb game based on silly movie or television drama spy moves they saw. The uh my friend dared was blindingly rich, connected, shady perch in a weird life, very sophisticated on the surface, huge CV, but at 35 had the emotional maturity and common sense of a boob-dazzled, stripper chasing, yacht girl hiring 13-year-old boy when it came to women and ideas of power.
So suppose they hired this salad tossing yacht piece they knew, believing her tall tales of language skills, diplomatic skills, acting skills in Hollywood. Yet other than her sole skill as a ruthless honey trap, she has been dreadful but, well, she did get in, didn’t she. And so, they are still paying when she calls screaming or cooing or sexting with more excuses and promises. Two more months, baby, just two more...she is lazy, dumb, and focused on herself and thinks there will be no accountability.
Foolish Charles makes the other deposits. Harry thinks it is all a big lark, or simply is too thick to be included.
Which is the simpler explanation and requires the fewest assumptions?
A vast conspiracy exists to bring down the BRF.
OR
Harry is a bit dim and has probably been jealous of his brother for years. Many women are not anxious to hook up with him.
I know which one I'd vote for.
From what I heard and saw, the way it worked was that one would :
- Identify a desire. Visualize that desire.
- State that desire to the universe
- Surround yourself with pictures that help you visualize this
desire (vision board)
- Allow no negativity
- Act as if that desire has already been fulfilled
- Express gratitude to the universe
I wonder if some of her madness can be explained by this. As an example using the half-in/half-surprisingly,- They announce the desire through the " Manifesto"
- They also try to cage invitations, etc by announcing their
desires through leaked articles
- They refuse to give it up, despite being told it won't work.
- Instead, they begin creating the scenario on their own by
trying to establish the House of Sussex
- They also attempt to fulfill Royal appearances and duties.
They are living the life they want
- They refuse to listen to, or contemplate any "negativity"
- Their PR articles state pretty clearly what they want, even
though it's a complete lie at this point in time. When
Megsy claims HM is baking her a birthday cake, she is just
fleshing out her fantasy life. In her mind, the lie doesn't
matter since it will be corrected soon when the Harklesget
their 1/2 and 1/2 deal.
Does this make sense? I'm really tired tonight and may be wandering a bit.
She reminds of my (former) friend in that she is laser focused on what she wants, and has, surprisingly, been successful well past reasonable expectations.
You are on fire this evening! I have enjoyed this entertaining ride you have put together.
In 1983, as part of a family vacation to the World’s Fair in Knoxville, Tennessee, my family and I spent a day at what is now called Dollywood, But back then was just a slightly down at heel regional amusement park with an Appalachian theme called Silver Dollar City. The featured ride was a covered roller coaster that was meant to suggest an underground mine shaft. It wasn’t terribly high, but the fact that the entire ride was in the dark made it seem a lot crazier and more dangerous than it would have in the light. Your theory is a wildly entertaining lark on the Tin Hat Express and it reminds me of that.
I have seriously considered in the past that there could be merit to the backers theory. Considering Mugsy‘s meteoric rise from game show model and two bit basic cable actress from a family that would be considered trailer park trash if Thomas had not had an Emmy winning career in the technical side of showbiz to a Royal bride in just two years...her Cinderella story was just a bit too fortuitous... too Hallmark movie magical (a favorite Mugsy word) to not have been assisted. But surely even if there were backers, this plan left so much to chance… The main thing in fact. Harry is not renowned for Either his chivalry or his commitment. He likes to party and bang chicks and do blow with them, But even given Mugsy’s apparently legendary skills at salad tossing, there was no way to ensure that hairy would sustain interest in her more than a few days or weeks. How very obliging of the ginger idiot to fall so completely in line. I always thought it was highly coincidental that Meg joined the family at the very instant almost that Andrew’s connection with Epstein came to light...Almost as though she had crawled out from the very same slimy rock.
Harry is certainly not the brightest bulb in the package, but he must have realized fairly soon that he had bitten off way more than he could chew. I think that was probably back in October 2019 if not before...the debut of Bump. It’s all fun and games and hot monkey sex perhaps, Until one is coerced into perpetrating the sham of a plastic baby on one’s Gran and the universe. Harry looks like a haunted man since that day. Fauxchie argues against a complex plot from backers Because I can’t imagine that circus show fitting into anyone’s agenda. That is just bat s***crazy stuff. We know that down the generations, the royal family has kept a tight lid on its crazy. I think they have allowed Mug’s antics with dignified silence because the alternative—admitting publicly that the Duchess is off her nut is just too unpalatable.
Had to end my last comment because it was getting long, but I salute your usage of “the pebble in the shoe of my thoughts“ and "Salad tossing yacht piece”. Double lattes for those.
The elusive Markus has been mostly MIA since the baby shower travesty. Apart from the cryptic and extremely strange mention in the spring that MA Was doing a threesome with our dastardly duo in Tyler Perry’s crib. Coronavirus has assuredly put a big dent in M A’s usual businesses. But if he is based in Toronto, the other side of the North American continent from Los Angeles, what are the legitimate chances that he would have flown to LAX in the middle of a global pandemic when international travel was not really happening, all to have a sleepover with the Sussexes in their borrowed crashpad? When he already lives at a luxury hotel, assuming that he stays at his Soho house property in Toronto.
I think the mystery of the missing Markus is down to his usefulness having expired. His job was to help Meg hook up with Harry. Mission accomplished. He can’t really do anything more for her, unless he’s putting them up for free at Soho House LA, in which case she does still have some use for him.
Love love love "all hat no cattle".
I was taught:
All said and no bed
and
All yak and no sack....
And KCM, yes the fake-it till you make-it approach. I don’t have a problem with it as long as one does no harm. Unlike Meghan.
@Musty/Swampie
British version- All mouth and no trousers
Very apt...
The Limitation Aim
Their enema code
Is due to implode
With more lies, deceit, beyond lame
All they’ve now got
Pics of Archie, not a lot?
It’s the end to their Imitation Game
What we actually know about Markle is limited. She may have been a yacht-girl but women tend to be attracted to money and will turn tricks for the same - I had a girlfriend who in her early twenties had done some yachting. A young woman away from home for the first time. The fun of being on a yacht surrounded by wealth. Well of course you are not going to say no and you know what is expected even though no one ever says.
I see that Toronto Papers 1 has been quiet since the summer. Fun though that Twitter account is I doubt that Toronto Papers has any more access to the truth than the much talked of QAnon.
Rescinderella
Megs, the ex stripper
With her large, crazed, glass slipper
Has really no reason to gloat
As her fame slips away
And she’s docked of all pay
She’s left with her glass bottomed boat
Lacey, having done his utmost to show William in a bad light, is now reported as saying that HHM should relinquish the throne, which should then by-pass Charles and go straight to William?
See Rebecca Taylor at Yahoo News
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/queen-platinum-jubilee-will-not-step-aside-charles-william-124949247.html
The republicans generally agitate for HM to abdicate in favour of Charles, in the belief that he will be so useless we'd prefer to abolish the monarchy.
What sort of `Royal Expert' is Lacey if he ignores the legislation about regencies? Is he out to make mischief?
I wonder if the a Regency could go to William, rather than Charles? HM would still be on the throne.
I'd like to think that William will go down in history as `Good King William' - we've had `Good Queen Bess' and one song refers to `Good King Charles's Golden Days' (The Vicar of Bray', but that's all. Wm I was the `Conqueror', Wm II was `Rufus', Wm III doesn't seem to have a nickname outside N. Ireland (`King Billy') and Wm IV (reigned 1830-37) was `The Sailor King' or `Sailor Bill'. (btw,2 of my gt-grandmothers were born in his reign and one gt-grandfather in that of George IV - is that why I'm so keen on history?)
Nor have we had a `Great' monarch since Alfred ruled Wessex, before the Saxon kingdoms united to become England in 927, under Athelstan.
Is Lacey turning his coat like the devious reverend gentleman I referred to above?
There are many examples of shadow leaders that undermine tradition and succession lines. The most famous and documented shadowing is with the Catholic Church. Centuries they have Antipopes. Even today, many feel threats to the Catholic Church with Pope Benedict acting like a shadow pope.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/theologians-concerned-about-newly-engaged-role-benedict-pope-emeritus