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 Sorry for my continued absence. Duty calls. Here's a fresh link.

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Girl with a Hat said…
Curse you Musty! you stole my first place!

Seriously, though, I heard rumours that they took a private jet to get to the L.A. cemetery. It was in a comment on DM under one of the most liked tab comments.

Did you notice that there is no longer a Meghan Markle tab on the DM front page for the UK?
Only for the USA
CookieShark said…
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abbyh said…
I think so.

After a while, it gets unwieldly.
For email notifications, too much eye strain otherwise. ;o)
Girl with a Hat said, Did you notice that there is no longer a Meghan Markle tab on the DM front page for the UK?

I never knew there was one for the UK, maybe it’s because I use the app rather than the website.
@GirlWithaHat

No worries!. Make a cuppa and lets find a topic!!!

Also the Megain tab is gone but now there is a Handbag tab under UK, news
Elsbeth1847 said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8934099/Prince-Harrys-rift-Royal-Family-wreath-highlights-seen-expendable.html

Very interesting.

Robert Lacey does say that JH's request was reasonable and "could" have happened but not the relations between JH and the palace being what they are.

He then goes on a riff about how spares are expendable and they therefore have a sad lot. He refers to the differences between JH and and the palace as a battle.

Last night I watched The House of Windsor, first episode (2017 first shown, don't know exactly when filmed). It is on Netflix btw and some other places.

First episode (Adapt or Die) was how the BRF is willing to make hard decisions about others when others could make the BRF expendable. Roll that around.

They showed how people were able to turn the decision to grant asylum to the Tsar from a yes to a no. Or how they left behind the German roots from QV (bombs from Germany WW1). Or they started the meeting and greeting of people to help connect with them.

One of the more fascinating parts was about how Edward (David) had no sense of duty to the country, wanted all the fun parts of royal but not the day to day duty stuff and then abdicated. The choice of not wanting to do duty was stressed. It was not said as as such but was said that he had sort of hoped he could do a half in and out in the UK.

There are several talking heads. Lacey is one (this was pre the Crown time) and he really comes off as knowledgeable about the topic of the BRF which seems to counter to the comments about JH and the BRF in current time.
lizzie said…
So if Lacey thinks Harry's request was reasonable, I'm assuming he thinks it would have been just fine for a wreath to be placed on Andrew's behalf?
D1 said…
@ Lizzie

That is exactly what I have been thinking,

Why is it all about Harry and not Andrew, he served longer than Harry.

Also from what I have seen there was no wreath from Prince Phillip, he retired.

There is a lot of stirring going on.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Elsbeth,

Lacey is simplifying things. Edward viii was very dutiful, and tried to lend support to the fighting men of the UK in WW1 by coming as close to the front as he could, but Lacey would not have found tidbits like that in agreement with his thesis.

I think the BRF find that the Crown has a lot of inaccuracies and the problem is, that the writer, like Lacey's, POV is going to prevail over reality.
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lizzie said…
@DI,

Exactly. For that matter, since Anne's wreath is (I believe) on behalf of the Women in the Royal Navy, why shouldn't her "married-in" husband lay one on behalf of his own naval service? Or for that matter, what about the Queen's cousins, the Duke of Kent and Prince Michael? They each have around 20 years of military service, I believe. And they've laid wreaths in the past.

I have read an Equerry laid a wreath on behalf of The Duke of Edinburgh this year. As it should be IMO. Retiring at age 96 is hardly the same thing as running off to LA at age 35 after doing very little service to the monarchy.
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SwampWoman said…
Interestingly, the MSM here is repeating how Harry wasn't able to lay "Harry's wreath" even though they have to know that it is a lie, there is ceremony involved, and Harry is no longer a royal representative. They know that the BRF aren't all out laying wreaths on their own behalf. WTH is going on here? It really does look like a concerted effort to destabilize the RF.
Humor Me said…
"Harry's wreath" is a desparate ploy to stay relavent. Harry knows no one person places a wreath at the Cenotaph. The photo op is a sad commentary on his present life. I am strugging iwth the Veterans Day special - Harry is a "special guest". So who is giving relevacy to whom in this outing?
Louise said…


"Interestingly, the MSM here is repeating how Harry wasn't able to lay "Harry's wreath" even though they have to know that it is a lie,.."

Are you in the USA or in the UK?

I doubt that MSM in the USA knows anything about Royal protocol. And Meghan knows that. too.
CookieShark said…
I wonder if this will be the formula now. Whenever they don't get what they want, they will wreak so much havoc and blame everything on the RF. They have made an absolute sideshow of a serious, sacred day for the UK.

The merching of clothing worn in a graveyard... for veterans...it is repulsive.

I hope anyone who considers working with them is taking notes.
SwampWoman said…
@Louise, I'm in the USA; however, I expect the MSM to research anything they print.

Okay, maybe that is just too great of an expectation for "journalists" who don't get that Biden has not yet been elected.
Hikari said…
@Swampie,

Interestingly, the MSM here is repeating how Harry wasn't able to lay "Harry's wreath" even though they have to know that it is a lie, there is ceremony involved, and Harry is no longer a royal representative. They know that the BRF aren't all out laying wreaths on their own behalf. WTH is going on here? It really does look like a concerted effort to destabilize the RF.

Spacey Lacey & Scoobie Doo and others have sought to justify Harry's solo 'wreath laying' stunt by equating it to Her Majesty's solo wreath laying at Westminster Abbey on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. "See!!" they squawk, "How dare you judge Harry for inappropriateness when his Granny did the very same thing!!!"

That made me SO ANGRY I had to scroll away lest I have a stroke.

Making the rogue grandson and his tatty little attention-seeking stunt in America--timed specifically to compete with the ceremonies in London--WITH THE MONARCH OF THE UNITED KINGDOM DOING HER SACRED DUTY AS SHE HAS DONE EVERY REMEMBRANCE SUNDAY FOR 70+ YEARS.

I cannot F------ing believe it! We all know Meg and Harry are greedy, tone-deaf, selfish, sociopathic, quite frankly, deluded and crass. What does it say about these 'journalists' who are blithely repeating these LIES, or the media outlets that publish this drivel?

Shame, shame, shame a thousand times on Robert Lacey, Plastic Fantastic and all of their ilk. I hope when Megatron and her Handbag are utterly discredited that none of these people singing their praises of victimhood ever work again. It's what they deserve--ignominy for everyone who has defended this ignominious pair and spread their lies.
Girl with a Hat said…
I read a twitter response to the Express' Royal Reporter who was bleating on about how William covered up his Covid diagnosis and how this was unacceptable.

The response went something like: "You helped cover up Meghan's fake pregnancy and now you're complaining that William covered up his Covid diagnosis?"

The media are given a script to follow and things to promote and these days it's wokeness, POC and everything anti-establishment.
@ Swamp Woman and all our American Nuttiers.

My whole family is anxiously watching what is happening in the USA. Because of our history we have always viewed America as a beacon of democracy, a place where the rule of law is upheld. We desperately want it to be the case now too. I so much hope that whatever the truth is it will win and the good people of your country will stay safe.

Sorry it is not a Markle post but it is heartfelt.
Girl with a Hat said…
If anything, we can all learn a lot about the media and government authorities through all of this.


The way the media have covered up for Meghan should have taught us all something.
lizzie said…
I agree these days the MSM in the US pretty much uniformly stinks. They don't report, they don't investigate, they "create narratives." But it's not only US reporters and the plastic fame wh*re Scobie bleating about "Harry's" f-ing wreath.

I'm pretty shocked anyone is defending his actions. I guess the Palace did its job too well when creating the "Warrior Harry" persona to counter the Nazi uniform wearing, partying, substance abusing, insubordinate, dim Harry reality.
@ Sally 1975

I can't stand Harry but the fundraiser if for the veterans, so I want it all to be successful.

It is just Harry is surplus to requirements there. All others can do something and have talents and skills, Harry can preach only. I have a weak hope his crow of destiny will not follow him there with her claws on his arm.

May be, just may be he will find his calling with the American vets, will be able to do something good for them and will finally shut up about UK. I can dream.
jessica said…
She’s not going to stop. She’s going to put Harry all over the USA as soon as a Vaccine is available.

Buckle up guys.

Aren’t they fully funded this year by Charles, anyway?

She’s going to ride Harry’s small-time celebrity to the top.

While I considered it wouldn’t be possible, publicly associating himself with veterans and climbing from there is a calculated move. It’s not the wrong move, because most pin the US don’t really know Harry and much less Meghan...they are betting on a new audience to succeed. They need their titles removed, and they are free to do as they wish however tacky.

Notice in the press releases it is ‘Prince Harry is attending on Nov 18th’. I guess they’ve realized they can’t ever take away the title of Prince Harry and are going to lean into that more than Duke and Duchess.
punkinseed said…
Hikari, Well said. I'm a member of DAR who has worked hard educating our kids about respect for the veterans' sacrifices they made for all of us. I can tell you this has me extremely ticked off at the media. And those hacks, Scoobie and Lacey are no better or different than Joseph Goebbels. It would not have been a big deal if Harry wanted to put flowers on graves. Fine. But to make it a photo op and all about himself to get attention and spit in his grandmother's eye because his wreath was allegedly refused; and use our war dead to go about it like this is why it's such an abomination.
@Fairycrocodile, fear not. Our Constitution is very specific about we the people and how we have a right and duty to make our leaders uphold Constitution. "... the consent of the governed..." and if they don't, we have the right and duty to (heaven forbid) abolish the government. We are the children of the greatest generation. That generation taught us how to be self reliant, tough and strong so we're gonna be just fine and so are our friends and cousins in UK.
Duncan said…
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@ CookieShark said: "They have made an absolute sideshow of a serious, sacred day for the UK."

Exactly. And that is why the RF should strip them of their titles and cut their funding - because we all know that they're going to continue to pull stunts like this again and again.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Barbara, I think it has to be more than that. I think the BRF needs to help various authorities prosecute any small transgression by the Harkles in order to have them continuously concentrating on such issues as their income taxes, lawsuits, etc. Pay their neighbours to bring nuisance suits for noise, etc. Just make their lives a living hell so they don't have time to dream up stupid stunts. And make sure the next 60 years of their lives are all going to be hell on earth bureautically.
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Louise said…
I have stated several times that those in the USA (including the media) know very little about the Royal Family and view them as a fancy celebrity family. Without that understanding (which the Harkles exploit), their breaches of protocol which are scandalous to a Brit seems innocuous to the Americans.

Hence, we have Harry's walking over dead veterans for a photo shoot being viewed in a "poor Harry" point of view , followed by an invitation to take part in televised fund raising event with "real" celebrities.

But how many of those celebrities know that Harry refused to attend a memorial for murdered soldiers in England in order that he could shill for his wife at a Disney premier? Or that he refused to attend an Invictus fundraiser because it would be aired on Amazon and not Netflix? And even if they knew, would they care? The Harkles are not the only narcissists in LA.
Louise said…
I think that Prince Harry is used when he goes solo, Duke and Duch-ass as a couple.
Martha said…
As I see it, the media is the problem. Or as Marshall McLuhan pronounced in the 60’s, “the media is the message”. What we have now is mainstream media, which crosses lines for all nations. Years ago, I believe, there was real reporting, critical thinking, honest journalists. They seem to have disappeared from the mainstream, and promote fake news, or news to satisfy a certain socioeconomic elite.
Take the Harkles, for example. Mainstream news still courts them: the sycophants, the party players, the celebs. Just look at the newest promotion including Hairy with Springsteen and his ilk. We here know what they are truly about because we ferret out, go down rabbit holes, seek other sources, listen to dissenting viewpoints. It’s not the easy way, but it’s the honest way IMO. Some of us have been “on the search”
for years since Smugsy threw herself onto the stage, with Hairy. No one listened to her before. It’s only by association with the RF that she’s come into view. We know the havoc she alone has created.
So, back to media...it’s the sycophants who are still promoting, still enabling them. And to what cost? As people have pointed out, all the money that has been flaunted, wasted on this self absorbed couple, interested soley on self promotion. I’m sickened. And they are allowed to run rampant because the media supports them.
Louise said…
Martha: My understanding is that , partly due to the speed of social media, journalists are under pressure to turn in a story.. any story... and don't have the luxury of doing research.
Martha said…
@Louis....yea, all of that.
Martha said…
Sorry, Louise...a typo.
Interesting remark on Team Cambridge, or Saop...the comparison that Smugsy is to Hairy, what Bashir was to Diana
Objectively the RF had made a very significant step forward with the Harkles. They publicly stated twice Harkles are private persons and have no representative role.

They must have realised Harry will play the victim card and yet refused his request for a special treatment at the ceremony.

Harry maintains his Commonwealth Youth position and frankly this is ridiculous after what happened, but this is a start. I also think Harry no more has access to royal aids for his Invictus games and he will not be able to pull the games through by himself.

It is obvious that online concerts and Netflix movies are not the same league as the widely respected Invictus games. Harry's brand has lost a lot of value.

He might be able to build a new role in the USA bit he has to work hard for this. I doubt he has the ability.

Sconesandcream said…
Today is Remembrance Day in Australia and this morning the sails on our Sydney Opera House were covered in poppies.

I am still appalled by their PR stunt at the cemetery but also how stupid and lazy are these two that they couldn't even do the bare minimum of research to tie in the wreath laying for the Commonwealth soldiers (Australian and Canadian) on our actual Remembrance Day.
Hikari said…
They are both garbage. It is a case of like calling to like. Meg has no good side to bring out, but within the regimented fold of the royal family, Harry was functioning and bringing value to the brand. No decent woman wanted him after she got to know him, so he wound up with an American grifter who tied him to her through salad tossing and drugs. She fed him the line that he most wanted to hear: that like his mother, he was globally beloved, the sexy fun royale, the one everyone wanted pictures of, and together they could eclipse the rightful heirs and party with Hollywood royalty and live luxe with no tedious rules. I don’t believe that he loves her, but to split with her would be to admit that William and his entire family was right, his judgment is crap, and what remains for him without her in the royal family? He can’t compete with the future king From the position of the superfluous younger brother with the failed marriage and the finished military career. Doubling down on global stardom on Meg’s terns is all he’s got left. I really had no idea before the entrance of Markle that H was quite this dumb and certainly not this hateful. But the same couple who railed against performing royal duties when they were working members of the royal family spend all of their time inventing ways to do Royal like appearances in America...A country with zero structure and or interest in being preached to by renegade princes. If Harry is so clueless about the history, traditions and demands of his own family, I’m sure he doesn’t know a single iota of American history. The United States for him is a fantasy place of cool vacations but he’s got no clue what he is doing. It is a tragedy unfolding but it also sickens me to the core.
Button said…
@Martha,
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I agree with you re: the media is the problem. Not only with The Odious Pair, but all around in general. Take the US election for example. From what I understand Biden is not the President currently. He may be at some point in time, but the media certainly should not be allowed to ' call an election '. I digress and for that I apologise.

I think that Hairwee pulled this stunt out of revenge. Either he has an IQ of 10 or he really didn't understand all these years what the Remembrance Sunday is all about and how it works. As horrible as this sounds, I despair thinking that these two bottom feeders are waiting for the Queen to pass, and then they will descend on Charles like locusts. And Chuckie is to weak to fend them off. They also could be realising that the palace doors have been slammed, and rightly so, in their smug gobs and now they are in a panic. As others have noted Megatron was in a bespoke getup, made by a British designer no less, the type that would only be used for royal type engagements. Hmmm..when/who got on the blower to put that order in? And better yet who the hell paid for it. Vile odious pair.
Yeah. I could see Meghan riling up the US narrative of anti-british culture:

Anti-Monarchy propaganda, check
Financial independence declaration, check
Finding Freedom, check
Tech Startup-wannabe, check
Famous influencer, check
Selling shit, check

I guess we are now viewing Business Barbie Meghan. We all know she is his handler and agent now. Perhaps she's using her negative press now in their favor. Hate Meghan narrative, gets clicks, oh here is my Shiny For Sale British Prince.

Speaking agent, check
Delaware LLC registered business entity, check
Entertainment Lawyer, check
Trust Fund, check
Sugar Daddy Charles startup funding, check

I don't think there is much the BRF can do about Prince Harry prancing around as a product in the USA, with a deranged but greedy person (a lot of company executives are sociopaths anyway) pimping him out.

Can Harry handle it? That's to be determined.
`Blundering Ghouls' - Thank you, Jan Moir, that's exactly it.

This was sacrilege.

What will it take for their facilitators & apologists to wake up?

Staging one of their `poor us' pity-fests outside the gates of Auschwitz? Hi-jacking International Holocaust Memorial Day, to tell us that their suffering should be identified with that of all the victims of the genocides of the 20C, as well as the political prisoners, Resistance personnel, gays, gypsies, and the disabled?

Just to flog tat and schmutter and elicit sympathy for themselves in their self-inflicted `misery'.

The truly terrible thing is that I wouldn't put it past them, they seem to have degraded themselves to such an extent.
Well said Hikari.

These actions of the duo are in line with their Bench-voting-speech. Harry railing against a monarchy trying to deflect that it's his family.

This is why we see Meghan claim things such as 'Harry's Grandmother' 'were very much apart of the family'. She mentally separates the two for Harry so he can continue his antics 'guilt-free'.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has told every Royal family member that they, too, can quit the Monarchy.
Grisham said…
A Cartier tank watch is a classic, popular watch to own. My husband gave me one about 3 years ago, but it’s stainless steel and black band. I know many women who own Tank watches. I love mine and would like another one.
CookieShark said…
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Louise said…
Button: Actually, Meghan was not in a British designed outfit. The coat was from American designer Brandon Maxwell, although the shoes were from a UK designer.
Jdubya said…
did you see the new CDAN?

Blind Item #9
This UK pap has lots of great stories, but one of them about the alliterate one is so on point to who she is. Right before she gave birth she attended a play with the ginger one trailing behind. I guess no paps were there and you know she wanted paps. Maybe she thought the theatre would leak she was coming. So, she gets to the theatre and no paps. Our pap got a call from a publicist of the alliterate one telling him to hurry to this theatre so he could get a photo of her and make sure it was flattering or he wouldn't get his fee. Well, he got the shot and then sold it on his own. The publicist was angry at him for selling it without approval. Apparently the publicist then blamed the theatre itself for calling the pap.

Jdubya said…
one of many comments on CDAN on the blind

Kathy C Resting_Bitch_Face • 7 hours ago
I know. The Queen is furious and disgu. William too. Stupid Charles is trying to defend them, but the Queen's attorneys are going after them for breaking the terms of the Mexit agreement. Also because they transferred $$ ffrom the Royal Foundation into Travelyst.
No one should be surprised to learn it was all Megsy's idea. Firt to have the RF place a wreath. at the Cenotaph in Harry's name(It's not about him: It's about those who died. Selfish, greedy, Grifter)
When HMTQ said no, that's when they decided to take the photographer , go tho the cemetary and release *seven* ohotos, all listing what they wore, where they got it, and how much it cost. They even listed the flowers & the florist where they bought them: All to 1) Merchandise and make $$. 2) They deliberately published them so as to take attention away from and upstage what QEII & The Cambridges were doing.
How does anyone live when they're so eaten up with Jealousy and resentment 24/7??
Crumpet said…
Hello Nutties,

Love the vid of Catherine in the DM. She is talking to a boy (with red hair no less) about the medals he is wearing, his father's medals (who was killed serving overseas).

If there was really a Baby Archie with The Narkles, you know they would trot him out faster than Megs can rise to a standing position while 8 months pregnant, with Just 'arry's medals pinned to his chest, saluting his dear ole dad.
@Flore said…
Lacey is on Netflix’s payroll so search no more for the reason why he is so pro the gruesome twosome. They will do anything to keep the cash rolling in. I think Dimwit has no clue what signing a deal with a company like Netflix truly implicates. He is in over his head and Netflix will stop at nothing- absolutely nothing- to get dirt out of him about his family. They will keep dangling the cash carrot and Megalo will take care of the stick!

As for their latest PR stunt, words fail me. I have been to military cemeteries and the simple sight of all these graves is breathtaking and humbling and extremely moving. I simply cannot imagine how these two idiots had the nerve and the audacity to do what they did! JH is soooooo bitter and vengeful and on a self destructive path. Good for him!
Did she advise him? Are they paying money to get such advice?? I know they are idiots but wow just wow! How stupid can they be?? How low can they get? And they keep digging...
On a side note, did she really have to be there?? I mean military is supposedly the only thing he’s passionate about (and I don’t believe that for one second) so he could have done this alone. Or, as his handler, she couldn’t let him be alone? And for god’s sake, merching on soldiers’ graves?? Really?? 700£ stilettos and, oh the irony, wearing black ?

They are many things but pathetic seems the most appropriate word to describe them.
Magatha Mistie said…

Megs slapper stilettos, aerating the soil,
organic style...
Sandie said…
[URL="https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-5797#post-64788010"]Meghan Markle unpopular opinions thread pt 2[/URL]

@Magatha Mistie ... aerating the soil! Brilliant comment!

The link above is to an LSA comment about Andrew in the Falklands War, as a reminder to those who have forgotten and those who do not know. Interesting, but true, that Parliament debated about bringing him home and taking him out of danger. The Queen asked him what he wanted, and thus he stayed in the war.

Ironic that those in the royal family who have actually been in battle in wars are out and did not make it to the Cenotaph ... Phillip, Andrew, Harry ...! But, the BRF have a long history of serving in Wars, yet the Harkles always make everything about themselves.
Sandie said…
Tweet from Richard Palmer ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1326284351986954252?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326284351986954252%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html1326284351986954252

This is how it is done Megsy: no dramatic poses or speechifying or word salad. Just genuine warm, interested chats with people.

I noticed that Catherine has done something about her backdrop, although William still has the stark wall behind him. If she has 'been inspired by the Zoom pontifications of the Sussexes', good for her for being open to change. However I doubt that the Cambridges keep up with the Sussexes and leave that to their staff.

I noticed that Prince Harry is now being used more by the media in the USA ... Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Sandie

I remember when it was "Meghan Markle and Prince Harry". And I always wondered why her name would come first. Ladies first? Americans first? A post-1776 way of acknowledging titles?

Now I can't decide whether the change from "Duke and Duchess" to "Prince and _____" came from the media or from the Sussexes themselves. I'm certain that shoving the dukedom in people's faces does nothing for them in America; but it must have worse effects on their bottomline than I thought, if they themselves decided to drop it. On the other hand, if it was the media's initiative, was it an unplanned, natural change or did they receive some directive?
Sandie said…
If Harry ever finds freedom from the claw, what could he have learned about himself?

He really needs the guidance of royal courtiers who are dedicated to service to the monarchy.

He should stay in his lane and not pontificate about subjects of which he knows little.

He should think carefully about his strengths and use those in full and long-term commitment to a particular cause.

He must steer clear of complicated business deals that are just going to get him into trouble...
Enbrethiliel said…
@Crumpet
Love the vid of Catherine in the DM. She is talking to a boy (with red hair no less) about the medals he is wearing, his father's medals (who was killed serving overseas).

I watched that, too!

But I didn't make the red hair connection until you pointed it out. Catherine just doesn't seem the sort to throw shade. Had it been Prince William, on the other hand, I might have been howling as much as I did when Sir David Attenborough gave Prince George the Megalodon tooth!
Sandie said…
As for Meghan, self promotion and hustling are her strengths. If she accepts that she is not going to get the high-end deals, she can find lots of opportunities like those Sarah pursues ... advertising decor ranges that are pricey but not bespoke and within the reach of ordinary folk (Meghan Markle organic linen), ready made meals at a Woolworths level (healthy vegetarian meals), sloppy clothing for the over 40s (California shabby chic) ...
Magatha Mistie said…

The Gravey Train

Their pathetic charade
With their latest parade
Left me speechless, utterly disgusted
How low they will go
Forsaking all, just for show
Proof they’re debased, amoral, demented
Magatha Mistie said…

* All Abhorred The Gravey Train




My last post was very dark so here's something brighter:

Have just been listening to Radio 4 Extra and caught a repeat of `The Wilsons Save the World', written by Marcus Brigstocke and sarah Morgan.

"After months of not seeing each other, the Wilsons are getting a socially distanced visit from Grandma and Pop-pops. Jennifer has spent lockdown learning about inner peace and the use of products from a company called Awww Well. Although Jennifer has never met her rep Amanda, she feels invigorated by the SPF1 suntan lotion, bath vinegar and the ‘healing’ whatsapp group. Mike is suspicious.

Grandma Pauline has been building her well being empire and is running the operation from department store Wi-Fi. What could go wrong?"


It can be heard via the website but I'm not sure if non-UK listeners will be able to log in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000p1h5

It'll be repeated at 5.30pm GMT, Radio 4 Extra later today, if UK listeners are interested
Woke & Gwyneth Paltrow get a mention, as do tin-foil hats.

Jennifer is so convinced by it gives up her heart tablets and feels much better Best of all, the scam name is pronounced as `Are Well'.

I wonder if the authors follow us?
Magatha Mistie said…

@Sandie/Enbreth

I thought the reason Megs name came first in
many articles was due to them being paid for by her PR?

Hikari said…
This turns up completely randomly in my Facebook feed just now: here’s Mugsy Merching for hunger...Buy one of these pricey virtue signaling Feed the World totes And you too can be a global humanitarian and put money in Megs bank account at the same time.

She paid a Pap years ago to take a picture of Herself shilling this bag on the streets of Toronto... but this is a full ad campaign. Has she hooked up with the brand again, or are they using an old picture? She’s hiding behind sunglasses so it’s hard to tell. Given her fresh notoriety of late, it’s hard to tell where this is originating from at this moment. She will recycle any old deal for cash I’m sure, but global hunger hasn’t been on her agenda lately.

Most distressing are the dozens of pro-Smeg comments. Leave her alone, it’s disgusting to attack other women! She’s just like her Santa dead mother-in-law being victimized by the bad press! She’s strong and powerful and doing wonderful things for the world! So very 2016. I’m continually amazed that the rest of the world is not catching on to the dumpster fire that we see here. A few commentators are on to her though. You will not be able to open this if you are not a Facebook subscriber. I would be interested to know how many other people had this pop up in there feeds.

https://www.facebook.com/95758979301/posts/10157703822309302/?extid=0&d=n
Hikari said…
Sainted! Not Santa!

But Santa Diana has been the gift that keeps on giving for Meg’s con.

Enbrethiliel said…
@Magatha
I thought the reason Megs name came first in
many articles was due to them being paid for by her PR?


That was my first guess, too. But it's such a glaring reversal of how a royal couple would be referred to that I also believed that the PR team had explicit instructions to order their names that way. Perhaps to create the perception that Meghan was the bigger or more popular celebrity of the two.
Sandie said…
The photo of Megsy with the Feed the World Tote Bag is from 2014 -
pre-Harry.
Magatha Mistie said…

A Bags Life

Saint Megs of the tarnished, bent cross
Is flogging more humanitarian dross
Buy her bags for a fee
To help poor me me
We all know
She don’t give a toss
Magatha Mistie said…

@Enbreth

Of course, wonder who gave the instruction
to place her first, and foremost, hahaha!
Have they been told they will be stripped
of Sussex titles, hence the push for Prince,
Princess?? Sickening all round.
Magatha Mistie said…

Harry’s Christmas Message 🎄

Santa Megsie take a pee
Just under that tree
For me... ⚡️

Magatha Mistie said…

@SwampWoman

Loved your military rules & regs, Metoo!!
My favoured choice “I can’t remember”
Served me well 😉
SwampWoman said…
Fairy Crocodile said...
@ Swamp Woman and all our American Nuttiers.

My whole family is anxiously watching what is happening in the USA. Because of our history we have always viewed America as a beacon of democracy, a place where the rule of law is upheld. We desperately want it to be the case now too. I so much hope that whatever the truth is it will win and the good people of your country will stay safe.

Sorry it is not a Markle post but it is heartfelt.


Thanks, Fairy. Odd things have been happening here to put it lightly. There is documented (incredibly widespread) election fraud, the media refuses to cover it (or says it isn't happening), and it is blocked from discussion on social media. I do not know if the censoring is for the right to keep them from discussions and organizing (media did NOT censor the looters or keep them from organizing), or for the left, to keep them ignorant of the fraud for when/if the courts start striking ballots.

I have to look at who benefits from widespread unrest in the US. The most obvious would be that it is to Chinese advantage for the US to stop looking at the Uighur genocide and expansionism and remove the impetus for military intervention should they decide to take Taiwan.
There's an Armistice Day service at Westminster shortly, particularly important as it's 100 years since the burial of the Unknown Warrior.

I take it we can expect some sort of mockery from the Harkles?
Ròn said…
I wonder if they’ll use footage of the Cemetery Farce in any potential Netflix reality show given it’s had such a bad reception? Or will they hope some US viewers will go for the mean Royals angle ? I suppose Gloria will make the cut. Who else ?
Spanner said…
@Magatha Mistie

'Harry's Christmas Message' is just genius!! I nearly did a little pee myself just reading it, thankfully I wasn't having a drink at the time or it could of been double trouble!

Thank you all for making this blog such a fantastic read. Glad I stumbled upon you lot all those months ago (long time lurker).

I see in the DM that Harry is going to make a virtual appearance at Stand Up For Heroes as a special guest - obviously went straight to comments and am surprised at how many US commentators aren't complimentary so it seems that their PR graveyard stunt really hasn't endeared them to the American public now which is hardly surprising. Trying to upstage the UK Remembrance Sunday was just appalling and by them walking over the graves of fallen US soldiers in their desperate bid to 'honour' the two Commonwealth soldiers just to serve their narrative and then publish it worldwide was a new low. How long before the US public will be called 'toxic' and be accused of having 'conscious bias' because of their growing dislike of the couple....
Enbrethiliel said…
@HIkari
She’s strong and powerful and doing wonderful things for the world! So very 2016. I’m continually amazed that the rest of the world is not catching on to the dumpster fire that we see here.

Meg's PR game must be stronger than we think. At least with some audiences.

I remember back in 2018, when someone at the office took a personal call from an American friend. She put it on speakerphone and I overheard part of the conversation. It was right before the wedding, and the American lady was saying excitedly: "Over in England, she's now more popular than the Queen!" Anyone from the UK could have disabused her of that notion then and there, but when you're getting everything from a single source, you may end up believing it.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Magatha
Have they been told they will be stripped
of Sussex titles, hence the push for Prince,
Princess??


It's quite likely! And when it happens, they'll be able to shrug their shoulders and say they hadn't even been using the Duke and Duchess titles for months. And that had been by choice! No big deal!
Magatha Mistie said…
Malice through the Lacking Class

I’m hoping and praying
Our Queen will be saying
Harry and Meghan are now stuffed
Their behaviour, so risible
Laughable, and abysmal
No hope now
They’re bloody well fu..ed
Natalier said…
Maybe Harry is attending Stand Up For Heroes as the Joke. I am sure the Woke has somehow managed to wrangle a slot to introduce her husband.
@ Spanner

Doesn't USA have its own disabled heroes sports event? I think it is called the National Veterans Golden Age games. It has been going on very well without Harry and his self serving PR. If he tries to attach himself it will not look good.

Harry has been compared with an oil film on water, he spread himself thinly too far
Replying to Swamp Woman

I posted back in May that I'd the Chinese were keeping a close eye on MM and one of her female associates was working for them. Unfortunate my source for this `rumour' couldn't recall the details beyond that.

All hearsay, of course.
@ Swamp Woman and WBBM

If the widespread fraud allegations prove to be true and the election will have to be re-run how stupid Markle will look. There is a great wisdom in the royal rule to stay neutral.

What is going on right in front of our eyes demonstrates how correct Anne was when she said "younger royals" shouldn't reinvent a bicycle. Royal modus operandi is the result of historical trial and error and it works.
Magatha Mistie said…

Irritable Vowels

In the words of a Royal
Keep your trap shut, stay loyal
No need to engage with the press
Megs with Harry’s devotion
To her extended bowel motion
Has led to this horrible mess
xxxxx said…
"Megs slapper stilettos" ..... lol lol lol Not the kind you wear for a solemn occasion. She was stupid, vain and merching.
Sandie said…
[URL="https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-5800#post-64808883"]Meghan Markle unpopular opinions thread pt 2[/URL]

Apologies for veering off current affairs to revisit the past, but when I saw this post on LSA, I realized something that I had not done before ...

Context: Meghan heads to London to visit at the time of Pippa's wedding, even though she was not invited. Supposedly she was at the reception. These pap photos were taken before the wedding. Someone at the establishment could have called the paps, but it is really stretching the imagination to think that staff have the paps on speed dial, and we have never seen pap shots of any other woman entering or leaving that establishment. The clincher for me was when I realized that one would wait inside for whoever she called to pick her up. That's how it works in my world, and I am not wealthy or famous.

* She waited outside because she wanted it in the tabloids that she was in London for Pippa's wedding!

* Harry did not arrange for a car and driver for her when she was visiting him in London. Or, she refused as it made getting the pap photos more difficult for her?

* Harry is either still blissfully ignorant of her calling the paps, after they started their relationship, or he knows and does not mind, or he knows but if he says anything, it starts an argument and he is afraid of her dumping him.
Girl with a Hat said…
what I find fascinating is how she feels that every little slight, every thing that doesn't go her way is a major historical event of such unbelievable historical proportion that it rivals or even surpasses things like the commemoration of the war dead.

I honestly believe that she thought that when we all found out that Catherine did not offer to go shopping with her, that it would bring down the monarchy.

I cannot understand someone who thinks that. That is in itself a major psychological problem. And taking into account her propensity for lying, pushing her way in front of people (both literally and figuratively) and her ability to forgive herself for such transgressions, she is the walking embodiment of a psychological case that people will be using in university courses for decades. Harry will be a side note.
Girl with a Hat said…
Magatha, you've outdone yourself.
Magatha Mistie said…

Foot in Mouth

The Duchess of slither
With her Duke, always with her
Will finally awake from her woke
Her bespoke too large slipper
She’s found doesn’t fit her
She’s all teeth, and feet
What a joke..
Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha

I don't know where or how you get your inspiration from but this is wonderful! 'Malice through the lacking class', 'irritable vowels', you have a gift with words. Thank you for bringing us such joy :)
If we assume that the wreath with `Afghanistan medal' colours was ordered for/on behalf of H and completed before they cleared off for good, are we to understand that, had they been in UK now, and in good standing, it would have been laid by him to commemorate a single campaign?

In 2015, when Andrew was still acceptable, there was a Three Services line-up when, presumably each laid a tribute to their own arm of the Forces.

I note he has also laid a wreath on his own, as Harry Wales, with something white, whether flowers or a version of the PoW Feathers I don't know.

Is it conceivable that he ordered the latest off his own bat, well in advance, in order to manipulate the system into giving him a place, wherever he happened to be in the world?

Were the floppy flowers in LA intended to echo feathers rather than the orchids of HM's flowers?
------------------

I'm exploring the idea that wreath-laying is a parallel with singing in church - both are done to higher purpose than the glorification of the layer or the singer. Professional solo singers, whether from opera or pop music, tend to forget they are singing on behalf of the congregation, not for or at them, and consequently put on a performance in their usual style, for what they think is an `audience'.

No names, no pack drill, but this morning it seemed to happen at the Abbey and, for me, was the only bum note in the service.

If I'm in a church choir singing the Office, even with no congregation, it doesn't matter to me whether there's an `earthly audience' or not. It's the fact of doing it that matters.
Magatha - Foot in Mouth ! It gets better and better!
Fifi LaRue said…
@SwampWoman: This blog is about Megan Markle and Harry. If you want to make political comments, start your own blog. Keep your political comments to yourself, and not post here.
Fifi LaRue said…
@Button: You want to make political comments? START YOUR OWN BLOG!
Sandie said…
@Magatha

Thank you! Your poetry is always brilliant, but I have been particularly enjoying today's volume.
Magatha Mistie said…

Cheers @Maneki@Girl with a hat

Much appreciated.
Mugsy and Duck
Are out for each buck.
Common as muck,
They don't give a f***
@Swampwoman,

"Thanks, Fairy. Odd things have been happening here to put it lightly. There is documented (incredibly widespread) election fraud, the media refuses to cover it (or says it isn't happening), and it is blocked from discussion on social media. I do not know if the censoring is for the right to keep them from discussions and organizing (media did NOT censor the looters or keep them from organizing), or for the left, to keep them ignorant of the fraud for when/if the courts start striking ballots."


I don't comment often anymore, but I have to interject here. There are millions of US voters who disagree with your views about election fraud, and every major news outlet has covered Trump's refusal to accept defeat gracefully and in a presidential manner. News outlets and election officials are begging Trump to provide ANY proof of voter/election fraud (there has been no documentation revealed so far), and he has not been able to produce any.

Just yesterday, the one man who claimed that he knew of voter/election fraud recanted his story.

Now, I'm going to sign off because I don't want to argue, but I want the readers here to know that you've only posted *your view* of the election outcome. What you wrote above are your views only, with a bias toward one candidate, and not the views of the majority of the nation's voters or even the world, as witnessed by the mass outpouring of joy and celebration around the world at news of Trump's defeat. Former presidents (even Republicans) and the leaders of most first world nations have already congratulated Biden on his win. Republicans in congress are asking him to accept his defeat and to move on in a manner befitting a sitting president. Mitt Romney and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) are just two of them off the top of my head.


Now, can we please keep on track and not discuss politics here, as Nutty has requested? Otherwise, we get views only of those who write here the most, and often it is from a single, and sometimes biased, viewpoint, such as claiming that the left is "'ignorant' of voter fraud."
HappyDays said…
jessica said…
She’s not going to stop. She’s going to put Harry all over the USA as soon as a Vaccine is available.

@jessica: Yes! You are so right. As soon as it is possible for the Harkles to start swanning around on a national or international basis, they will be there. As the saying goes, the Harkles will show up for a letter opening.

However, I think Meghan’s plans for worldwide celebrity domination will be hindered by the pandemic until next summer.




Girl with a Hat said…
I read this on twitter this morning - rumours that Markle is trying to move to DC to get involved in politics.

https://twitter.com/OliveOSaumon/status/1326444606104494086

You're welcome.
We HAVE moderators ALREADY. We don’t need the Self-Appointed!
@ Moderators and Nutty

May I ask for clarifications, please? Markle and Harry involved themselves with politics, so commenting on their behaviour sometimes requires reference to their political stance.

I entirely agree we should keep this blog free of political debates. But sometimes it gets mentioned, for instance royal neutrality on politics has very real reasons and Markle's political activism is a violation of royal protocol. If we comment on her behaviour we also indirectly comment on her political views.

As a Brit I have no particulars on American politics but I have strong views regarding the conduct of a member of the royal family.

Could you please give us some guidelines? Thanks!
CookieShark said…
Good GRIEF if she moves to DC, good luck. People in DC aren't starstruck like LA, and no one will comply with signing NDAs there.

As a young person I resent that H&M see themselves as role models or mentors for us younger folks. The stress and heartbreak they are causing their elder family members is disgusting. And they're not anything to emulate. They embody what is completely wrong with some of my contemporaries: they have no problem trashing Thomas Markle or the RF, but they're all too happy to accept money from them. They call people who don't agree with them toxic, make sure the details of their expensive clothing can be released online, but by the way social media is toxic.

Anyone who asks about Archie is demanding that he be served on a "silver platter." Not really, but it's weird that people photographed as often as H&M are don't ever seem to be with their son. That's strange.

Sorry I'm ranting today. I've just had it with people who call themselves humanitarians, drinking expensive craft beers wearing tight vests throwing hatchet type people on TV.
I second Fairy Crocodile’s request for clarification re Megsy and politics.
Enbrethiliel said…
I think we should all devoutly hope that she does move to D.C.!

First, for the reasons CookieShark has stated. She might still be able to tell herself that her attempt to retake Hollywood was successful -- or at least as successful as one can be during a lockdown -- but she won't be able to be half as delusional in D.C.

And second, there's a good chance that even the über-accommodating Prince Charles will finally draw the line. I can't imagine Buckingham Palace letting Meghan get away with such a blatant move to be involved in another nation's politics while calling herself "Duchess of Sussex" and "Princess of the United Kingdom."

Hey, perhaps my last fantasy will come true and Meghan will be offered the US Ambassadorship to South Africa!
HappyDays said…
Just a thought: The Harkles fabricated wreath laying at the LA veterans cemetery reminded me that in a way, the Harkles are grasping at the far-fetched notion that they are setting up their own royal court on the left coast in an attempt to compete with the REAL royals in the UK.

For example, they didn’t need the mansion they bought. They could have still had a luxury home, but one that is far less ostentatious. But like the rest of their life together, the mudslide mansion is a feeble attempt at having a palace at which to base their minuscule ersatz royal court. They are an artificial, inferior substitute for the real thing.

More and more people in the public are realizing it every day.
Enbrethiliel said…
@HappyDays

Didn't Meghan already try to set up a kind of rival court while still in the UK?

I have a vague memory of her trying to make the expression "House of Sussex" -- as distinct from the House of Windsor -- happen. (Or was that just the sugars?) And a more definite memory of a long-time royal watcher scoffing: "Where did she get her ideas about royalty? Game of Thrones?"
Hikari said…
And the hits from the Sussex swamp just keep on coming…

Just H, the man with the charisma these days of a potted plant is going to be featured in a...wait for it...stand up comedy special honoring military heroes. You know, like JH is continually ramming down our throats that he was one. Maybe they will let him lay a wreath on stage in his own honor on global TV. Because he deserves that you know.

https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-joins-bruce-springsteen-jon-stewart-virtual-stand-up-for-heroes-event/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm

Gee, Within days of the presidential election, we suddenly get these rumors that a Sussexes want to move to DC. Or New York. Perhaps after Gov. Newsom Appoints Mugsy, With her theater BS and burger grilling humanitarian experience to Sen. Harris’s vacant Senate seat, The couple will commute between a pied de terre in Washington and a glamorous penthouse apartment in Manhattan, so that Harry can appear as permanent guest host of Saturday Night Live. Of course, if Meg aspires to political office, She will be required to maintain an address in California. On the other hand, we can also read this as the temporary lease arrangement she made with “Scarface” on Archie’s “forever home” is being canceled. They can’t afford that place, even to rent at $7000 a day for photo shoots. They may need to flee soon so their legs don’t get broken. You don’t mess around with the Russian mafia, but Mugsy is arrogant enough to try.
Fairy Crocodile has hit the nail on the head about why Royals are wise to steer away from anything smelling of party politics - it is so divisive in situations where at least a degree of unity is desirable. The Harkles have demonstrated time and again that they are fools who rush in regardless.

The difficulty is that it's nigh on impossible to discuss their antics without reference to the political context. They appear to have weaponised `Woke' but how can we have an inkling of what they're doing if we can't mention it?

Some of the stuff they get up to threatens the relationship between the UK and other nations (IMO - but I imagine I'm not alone in this). That is very political - are we not to express our concern?

In this blog, we on this side of the Atlantic attempt to explain some of the quirks of British public life in general and the Royals in particular; in return we have a window on American matters that we don't hear much about otherwise, not since Alstair Cooke's day that is.

There's a mighty to-do brewing over the Bashir/Diana story and the role of the BBC in how it came about. The impartiality/contemporary perceived bias (whichever it may be) is intensely political. A threat to the British Constitution, even if it comes from only these two Muppets, can't be anything other than political - can that really be out-of-bounds/ off-limit?
Angela Lansbury said…
Jocelyn'sBellinis, Fifi La Rue, and from last time Leela, Teasmade

THANK YOU 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 👏👏

I wanted to interject but I got a target on my back for doing so last time. I got accused of having multiple identities and a poster was calling for backup to attack me.

Serious sources to clear right-wing talking points and conspiracy garbage are unwelcome by posters that dominate this blog. Some people think opinions are the same thing as facts and evidence.
Enbrethiliel said…
Who wants to bet that Meghan will find a way to insert herself into Prince Harry's Stand Up for Heroes segment?

Recently I learned the word "dependa" -- which means a woman (and occasionally a man) who marries someone in the military for the financial support and free medical care. "Dependas" are also satirized for the way they let their loose association with the military define their whole existence, as seen in the "Military Wife" bumper stickers, tank tops, mugs, and other merch. (Not to mention the occasional tattoo!) They like to claim that their "job" is actually the hardest one in the military, and some ask to be addressed by their husband's rank. Sadly, they don't have a reputation for sexual faithfulness and often have "Jody" over when their husbands are away. (Not that their husbands are particularly chaste either, but that's another issue!) Doesn't that sound like someone we all know?

Anyway, the odds are good that Duchess Dependa truly believes that "she served too" and deserves to appear on the Stand Up for Heroes special alongside her husband Squadron Leader Wales.
@WBBM,

"in return we have a window on American matters that we don't hear much about otherwise, not since Alstair Cooke's day that is."


The problem was that Swamp Woman was putting forth a very conservative, right-leaning point of view that had nothing to do with The Harkles, and all to do with her own obvious choice for president, Trump. If she had said that her post was her *opinion*, that would be one matter, but to post that as absolute fact is downright wrong, and it attempts to send a message to others around the world that most people agree with her viewpoint, which, obviously, they do not.

This type of rhetoric is dividing and weakening our country, and that's what most people want to stop- the ranting and raving, the yelling, the screaming, the vitriol, the viewpoints put out as truths or facts with no proof.

Notice that within a few minutes somebody was on here shouting in all caps? That's what moderates are trying to avoid. Most people just shake their heads when a "screamer" can't keep to a pleasant discussion. Civil discussion has gone so far downhill since the last election.

Louise said…
One positive note in this Remembrance Day brouhaha is that it motivated me to attend the ceremony this morning at the Cenotaph in Montreal. The public had been asked not to attend this year because of Covid, but this being the first Remembrance Day in the 75th year marking the end of WWll made the day even more special.

(The wreaths were lovely, by the way, including a wreath each from the UK and American consulates. The other point of interest is that it the first time that I heard God Save the Queen played in Quebec for the first time since the 1960's)
CookieShark said…
American military lifestyle is not compatible with the shady, shadowy dealings we have seen from H&M. American military families will not be interested in being lectured, admonished, and chastised by rich people in their glitzy mansion. And they will not look kindly on H&M if they use footage for Netflix.

I'm surprised they're forging this association. They have leeched off BLM, big tech, and the virus, of all things, for clout.
lizzie said…
New Harry Markle up.
There is something strange going on. Somebody is trying to whip up a scandal about Martin Bashir and his fake documents that forced Diana into the disastrous Panorama.

That Bashir used fabricated documents had been a well known fact at least since 1999.

The book by S.B. Smith published in 2000 tells us that Bashir first met with Earl Spencer and tried to convince him that his former chief of security had been paid by Murdoch. The bank payment document he produced to Spencer as proof was later shown to be fraudulent.

However Spencer believed him at first and secretly introduced him to Diana at an apartment in London, where Bashir outrageously claimed both Charles' and Diana's employees were involved with some "front company" that paid them for spying. He encouraged Diana to tell "her side of the story" to outmanoeuvre them.

Spencer later distanced himself from Bashir but Diana swallowed his lies and was cleverly manipulated into the Panorama catastrophe.

What I don't understand is why now? The story is 23 years old. Who tries to pretend Bashir's false documents are a new discovery?
Louise - I can recall when de Gaulle caused an `incident' in Quebec and it's nice to know that `God Save the Queen' can still get an airing.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/de-gaulle-and-vive-le-quebec-libre-feature

It's a warning about poking one's nose into other countries affairs. I find it always uncomfortable to be abroad and have well-meaning locals speak highly of the British politicians I can't wait to see the back of!
Girl with a Hat said…
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KC said…
CookieShark said: "I'm surprised they're forging this association. They have leeched off BLM, big tech, and the virus, of all things, for clout."

Remember when their Sussex Royal site, which they still had at that point, was going to be THE SOURCE for coronavirus information? Never mind the NHS, CDC, H&M would be your guide in this perilous time, probably just rewriting what NHS and CDC said. Nope, nobody bought it.

BLM is not as visible in headlines. Never mond that, then.

Big tech is mean except for Meghan's Mirror and select media online outlets.

I am not sure this will go st all well. He is not a particularly good public speaker. He might think he's a comedian already.

People may be polite, or H may get his a$$ handed to him on a tinplated platter.
Miggy said…
@Fairy,

What I don't understand is why now? The story is 23 years old. Who tries to pretend Bashir's false documents are a new discovery?


Maybe this will partly answer your question?

It was only two weeks ago that Earl Spencer learnt that BBC executives had covered up the deceit used by Bashir to obtain the interview with his sister, Princess Diana. He tweeted on 6 November: ‘Many people are, quite understandably, asking why I’ve waited till now to come forward with the truth about how the @BBCPanorama with my sister came about. While I knew that Martin Bashir used fake bank statements and other dishonesty to get my sister to do the interview what I only found out 2 weeks ago, thanks to journalist Andy Webb’s persistent use of the Freedom of Information Act, is that the BBC also knew. Not only knew about it, but that they covered it up.’

https://www.tatler.com/article/martin-bashir-misled-earl-spencer-princess-diana-tell-all-panorama-interview
Girl with a Hat said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid,

Let's stay out of politics, even if the event did occur 50 years ago. Thank you. Those are the rules.

KC said…
Oh and I agree with others MM will find a way to slide in front of the cameras. How could she resist? "Harry needs my support. I am practically a military wife too!"
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Girl with a Hat said…
@Fairy,

Firstly, he is not 'whining'. He has very legitimate grievances, so please show some consideration for the family who are the injured party in all of this since Diana is now deceased.

People sometimes have issues with pressing ahead with legal matters even when they are the aggrieved party or someone in their family is.

I am thinking of suing someone who harmed me but it has taken me 1 1/2 years to even consider it and the only reason I am doing so is because the statute of limitations on the case.
@Fairy Crocodile re the Bashir documentary etc

I believe Earl Spencer himself asked for documents etc regarding the interview etc., via The Freedom of Information Act. I believe documents have been sealed up until now and the ones now revealed show a much bigger picture as to what went on. From what I’ve read he was suspicious at the time, but he obviously couldn’t do anything. It doesn’t look good for the BBC at all, it could possibly end up in the courts and rightly so IMHO.
@ Girl with a Hat

I am sorry Spencer's story reminded you of the bad time in your life.

Earl Spencer is not a blameless part in the whole debacle and I do find him disingenuous. This is my opinion and I can say what I think. I agree to replace "whining" with "complaining" in my comment though if you find "whining" offensive.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Fairy, you can say whatever you want, but it doesn't put you in a good light. At all.
@ Miggy

Thank you, I didn't see it.

Of course BBC knew. The whole flipping world knew. S.B. Smith is American and she had known when she was writing her book in 1999. If BBC covered the fraud is did the abysmal job at it, don't you find?

And I see Spencer is dishonest because he didn't press any charges against Bashir when the bank slip was proved fraudulent. So why is he complaining now?
Girl with a Hat said…
@Fairy,

why are you complaining? you're not even involved in the issue.
@ Raspberry Raffle

I am not defending BBC or Bashir and I fully accept and share your view re the fraud. But reading the book I noticed two facts:

Earl Spencer distanced himself from Bashir very quickly but yet let Diana go ahead with him. I may be mistaken but I didn't see any information he tried to persuade his sister to stop.

The document Bashir showed to Spencer very quickly proved to be a fake. Again, I am not aware of Spencer doing anything to stop Bashir, writing to BBC or otherwise. He is very wealthy and he had enough lawyers to press the issue if he wanted.

I do not know the details and accept I can be mistaken but I do find several aspects of the story murky.

Having said this, if BBC did the wrong thing and it came back to bite, then BBC fully deserves it.

Wasn't Bashir doing some interview with Michael Jackson where he manipulated Jackson too? I think this interview harmed Michael, didn't it? Bashir all bit disappeared following this. Perhaps somebody can tell us more?
@Miggy,

Many thanks for the link and clarification regarding the Panorama interview . I didn’t see it, my Mum saw some of it.
Martha said…
@Fairy Crocodile...I agree with you. Why separate discussion on political viewpoints, when the Harkles are inviting their views be heard on the same politics.
@Fairy Crocodile re the Bashir.

Bashir has had a very lucrative career since his Panorama interview...because it propelled him into a very different world. So if any acts of criminality have taken place, then Bashir and the BBC fully deserve their just deserts.
Miggy said…
@Fairy,

Earl Spencer distanced himself from Bashir very quickly but yet let Diana go ahead with him. I may be mistaken but I didn't see any information he tried to persuade his sister to stop.

I recall Charles Spencer saying that he told Diana and thought she had heeded his warning. He had no idea that she decided to go ahead with the interview. (Not even her closest friends knew.)

Wasn't Bashir doing some interview with Michael Jackson where he manipulated Jackson too? I think this interview harmed Michael, didn't it?

Yes, it was all about Michael sharing his bed with the boy who had cancer BUT Bashir edited in such a way that it made Michael look grubby. Unbeknown to Bashir, (or he simply forgot) Michael also filmed the whole interview and viewers were then able to hear the whole unedited discussion which put things into an entirely different light.

@Raspberry,

Many thanks for the link and clarification regarding the Panorama interview . I didn’t see it, my Mum saw some of it.

You're welcome.

IMO - Bashir deserves everything that's coming to him.
@ Raspberry Raffle

Amen to your words. Diana was not a stable person and he manipulated her and lied to her to get his 15 mins of fame.

I hope his deed will catch up with him. As for BBC...unfortunately media never allows truth to stand in the way of a good story.

As you say let BBC eat what it served to others.
Christine said…
Forget about the American election dividing us, Meghan Markle would love to divide us!!! Hopefully that will not happen.


On this American Veteran's Day, I have some new thoughts about Harry & Meghan at the veteran's cemetary in LA. My Dad is buried in Arlington cemetary for his war service in Viet Nam. I don't know if any of you have been there, but it is one of the most beautiful, special and honorable places on the planet. When you walk there, you feel so many things... pride, sincerity, sadness and a beautiful patriotism that I have never felt before. My siblings and I took a photo at our father's grave and I felt weird having it taken, but now I am so grateful for it because we have shared it with his grandchildren and other family. That was one photo...of our own father's grave. It's a grim and sad photo, but it's for him and his family and his sacrifice.

To think of 2 people traipsing around in such a cemetary filled with people who had their lives taken WILLINGLY for their country is beyond horrible. Meghan merching her clothes and shoving her dumbass husband forward with the wreath. I don't know how they got out of their car and went through with it with the photographer snap snapping away like they were walking out of Nobu. The Jan Moir article in the DM really puts into words what I feel about it. Whomever sticks up for them in this matter is frankly insane.
@ Miggy

Thank you. I saw a fragment of Michael Jackson interview with Bashir and remember having a very uneasy feeling about it. Michael looked unhappy and restless.

This interview put the end to Bashir's lucrative career, correct? Or he did more damage to someone else?
"And beyond that, on behalf of your mother and sisters, I pledge that we, your blood family, will do all we can to continue the imaginative way in which you were steering these two exceptional young men so that their souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition but can sing openly as you planned..."

from Earl Spencer's Oration at Diana's funeral:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/diana/spencerfull.html#:~:text=%22I%20stand%20before%20you%20today,our%20need%20to%20do%20so.

Makes you wonder... It was applauded at the time but I thought it odd, almost sinister.
Christine said…
Do we know if these assholes had the cemetary closed for their arrival?
@ Fairy Crocodile: Yes!

The justification appears to be that it's the 25th anniversary of the interview, which I think should have been given minimal attention.

I never imagined when I woke up to the news of Diana's death that Sunday morning in August 1997 they'd still be raking that broadcast over a quarter of a century after the event. Sad as I was at the circumstances of her death, I couldn't help a small sense of relief that at last the door could be closed on the wreck of the Wales's marriage.

How wrong I was.
@ WBBM

Precisely. That is why I have a problem with Spencer. His funeral speech was very self-serving. At the time he had a feud with his sister because of the property disagreement. It was particularly sharply contrasted to the behaviour of Dr.Khan who grieved quietly and dignified.

He doesn't appear to enjoy good relations with William or have had any influence over him, despite his loud statements.

Christine, so sorry about the hurt they've caused for you and all the relatives of those resting at the cemetery.

It was an appalling thing to do - they are an utter embarrassment to the UK. This can't be what Earl Spencer meant, surely?
Christine said…
Oh thank you so much for your wishes Wild Boar Battle Maid. I'm just so flabbergasted over all of it I guess.
lizzie said…
I have mixed feelings about Charles Spencer. I thought his eulogy at Diana's funeral was not at all the right thing to do. I didn't see it as being at all helpful to Will and Harry to rant and rave over the body of their mother. He could have said what he wanted to say at another time. (In the frenzy of Diana's death, whatever he said at another time would have been covered by the press IMO.) But in my mind, I excused his eulogy because I knew he was grieving. And probably all of us have done or said something when experiencing profound grief that we later regret.

Now with the BBC/Bashir matter I'm not so sure. Perhaps he was "wronged" and couldn't get the proof until now. But I'm more inclined to think he's spent most of his adult life profiting from Diana's corpse one way or the other. JMO.
Sandie said…
Dan Wootton interviewed Samantha on his radio programme (see his twitter feed). She spoke a lot about gratitude, and why and those to whom that gratitude should be extended, and simply described the Harkles doing that photo shoot in the cemetry as highly inappropriate.
@ Lizzie

You are better person than I am. Seriously. You didn't judge Earl Spencer for his outburst at the funerals.

Sorry to say this, I saw his speech as anger venting and applause that followed totally inappropriate. Perhaps I shouldn't have.

Emotions were running high; he practically blamed the royal family for her death and implied William and Harry should be supervised by him, Diana's mother and Diana's sisters because only they can bring the boys up as Diana wanted.

He could have found different words to avoid assigning blame, don't you think? And yes, he benefited hugely from pilgrimage to Althorp.
Mel said…
As a young person I resent that H&M see themselves as role models or mentors for us younger folks. 
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I' m appalled that they see themselves as role models or mentors for *anyone*.

They are probably 2 of the most self-entitled people on Earth. The epitome of who you don't want to be, and who you don't want your children to be.
I have mixed feelings about Handbag participating in the Veterans' show. While I support vets, I can't help but feel they are being disrespected by him using their dead and living for his own advancement. US is not CW or UK and he is not US. I wish the organizers would give his appearance a second thought.

@Christine. You have made me think deeply about whether their antics should be publicly disavowed by the military.
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8937373/Pregnant-Princess-Eugenie-lockdown-life.html

Speaking about gratitude, it seems to come naturally to someone like Eugenie..
CookieShark said…
It's beat up that he basically turned his back on the military in the UK but wants to support the American troops. I hope they are aware of that. Just like she cut out her father but preaches about being kind to everyone.
lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile wrote about Earl Spencer:

"He could have found different words to avoid assigning blame, don't you think? And yes, he benefited hugely from pilgrimage to Althorp."

Most definitely. I do think what he did and said were wrong. I think he spoke out of both anger and guilt (even though I suspect he did not consciously acknowledge his feelings of guilt even to himself. And I doubt he ever has.)

When I said I excused him, I meant I could understand how grief can affect judgment. So I was inclined to give him a break in my mind even though I thought what he did was wrong.

But since that time, we've learned an awful lot more about him and his actions. For example, some people blame the RF for Will and Harry walking behind the coffin, for example. But I think Philip was probably right that the boys (particularly Will as he was older) would have regretted not doing it if it happened without them (assuming that's really what PP said.) Still, if not for Charles Spencer, there might not have been anyone walking.

And Althorp. And this latest. He surely seems unwilling to let Diana rest in peace if he can make a penny.
Enbrethiliel said…
@CookieShark
It's beat up that he basically turned his back on the military in the UK but wants to support the American troops. I hope they are aware of that. Just like she cut out her father but preaches about being kind to everyone.

Very well put!

Seeing how both of them have treated those closest to them, their claims to care about others whom they have only a superficial connection to fall really flat.
Lizzie said, Now with the BBC/Bashir matter I'm not so sure. Perhaps he was "wronged" and couldn't get the proof until now. But I'm more inclined to think he's spent most of his adult life profiting from Diana's corpse one way or the other. JMO.

I don’t disagree with how Earl Spencer denied Diana a private sanctuary on his estate when she needed it, and then traded off her in death.. However, what Bashir is possibly guilty of is another matter entirely and if he’s guilty along with his then employers the BBC, then he should see his day in court. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Opus said…
Previously, on this blog, I have said that I had never taken much notice of The Royal Family; the same went for Lady Di who came down and opened our shopping centre. In the weeks leading up to her death I, as did a friend of mine, sensed that events were heading to some conclusion. Her death was nevertheless a matter of indifference for me such that I was amazed by the caterwauling and the arm-twisting of Her Majesty. Another friend of mine told me that he had always thought Lady Di somewhat deceitful, a view he shared with his mother. That funeral with Earl Spencer's over-the-top speech and that dreadful song as performed by the Mr E. John had me reaching for my sick-bag.

When the shopping centre was slightly remodelled the plaque as to its opening was shoved into some cupboard and forgotten. Sadly the new owners have restored it to some place of notice.

Recently Sophie Wessex paid us a visit. Much better.
HappyDays said…
Christine said...
Do we know if these assholes had the cemetary closed for their arrival?

@Christine: I haven’t read anything that specifically says the cemetery was closed, but it’s my guess that at least the section where they were working was probably closed and perhaps adjoining sections that might have been visible in the background were also closed. The perfect Sussexes wouldn’t want regular people wearing clothes from Walmart walking around with a pickup truck parked in the background.

Rules for national cemeteries generally require permission requests to be made for photo shoots or video shoots. It is property of the federal government. The type and subject matter of the production is usually a requirement when
the request application is filed.

It is probable they had a video crew there along with the photog who shot the still images that appeared in the press. They would want maximum bang for their buck.

Maisie said…
Re the Bahsir/BBC interview:

Lady C Campbell talks extensively about this topic and a few other BBC 'shenanigans' in her latest YouTube video.
I watched Diana's funeral on the TV. I thought at the time, and still do, that Charles Spencer was inappropriate to air his (or his family's) grievances against BRF. Whether they had merit or not, I do not know. But I do believe that while Diana may have detested the Windsors she believed in the monarchy. To use her funeral as an airing of dirty laundry just didn't sit well with me.

Does anyone know if any Markle served in the armed forces? Thomas Sr. would have been old enough for Viet Nam. Also Doria has male relatives that would be the right age to have served. Strange if any did that MeGain wouldn't use that for her own gain.

I watched Diana's funeral on the TV because I felt it was a `historic event' I should witness, even though I was more concerned about the ugly side of our national life that it revealed - heaven help you if you uttered the slightest criticism of the Dear Departed.

My main feeling was how strange, to me, was the behaviour of the crowd. From ages 5-11, I'd been at a council primary school next to the village church. If a cortege passed on the occupant's final journey, when we were in the playground, we were expected to stop playing and wait in respectful silence. We had, after all, seen how to behave after the death of the King, crowds standing in silence, the men with their hats in their hands.

The crowd in 1997 could have been from a different country, if not planet. Wailing, calling out, applause, for Goodness sake.

Worse, this time they were chucking flowers at the gun carriage, and these fell around the horses' heads. I know now that the artillery horses are the sort advertised for sale as `bombproof' that is, they are rarely if ever spooked but doing anything that might frighten horses was unforgiveable. At the time though, my nerves were on edge lest it triggered something untoward.

It has been said that one can judge a nation by how it treats the dead. That told me how much our country has changed over the last 50 years; we saw it too at the funeral of an unpopular, divisive, figure a few years back - bitchy demonstrations by people who I expect now embrace the `Woke' agenda. Even if you hate someone, I believe their funeral is not the place to show it. Just stay away.

The gulf has been demonstrated yet again but this time in Los Angeles. Perhaps it's generational divide and I'm just out of date but I feel the same repugnance at these breeches of courtesy as ever.
Louise said…
I don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but Harry has been named one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA by "We are the Mighty", an online news sight for American military.

He is referred to as HRH Prince Harry. He really doesn't care what Queen Elizabeth thinks, I guess.
Louise said…
Here's the link to "we are the Mighty:25"

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty25/mighty-25-2020/
Leela said…
@Jocelyn’sBellinis, @Teasmade, @Angela Lansbury @Fairy Crocodile

Thanks so much! I felt really unwelcome here when some said that because I don’t contribute regularly I should not interject.

Jocelyn’s, you state so eloquently what I could not:

The problem was that Swamp Woman was putting forth a very conservative, right-leaning point of view that had nothing to do with The Harkles, and all to do with her own obvious choice for president, Trump. If she had said that her post was her *opinion*, that would be one matter, but to post that as absolute fact is downright wrong, and it attempts to send a message to others around the world that most people agree with her viewpoint, which, obviously, they do not.

This type of rhetoric is dividing and weakening our country, and that's what most people want to stop- the ranting and raving, the yelling, the screaming, the vitriol, the viewpoints put out as truths or facts with no proof.


The discord in our country has been so sad, and I just hated to see it brought onto this nice blog.

@Swamp Woman, I sincerely hope you don’t take offense and leave us. Your commentary is enlightening and your humor is tops. I can tell that you are a wise woman and would love to have you as a friend IRL, even if we have different views on some things.

Thanks, all. Back into lurkdom for me for now.
Duncan said…
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I feel differently about Diana now as I did at the time of her death, hindsight is a useful thing. So with that said, I don’t share the same sentiment over Diana’s death as some other Nutties here have expressed. I did think Diana’s death was a tragedy. She was only 36 and appeared to have found some joy and happiness in her life.I thought the public wailing and crying was over the top especially from people who never knew or met her, and let’s not forget that Earl Spencer received a clapped and standing ovation from the public outside the Abbey. The Royal’s weren’t particularly liked at the time of her death and his eulogy resonated with a lot of the British public. What has transpired both for him and the royals since, is another matter entirely.
@ Sally1975

Thank you and well said. As posters on other blogs put it, the world doesn't revolve around Trump or Biden.

I come to this blog to read comments from people all over the world and discuss the current crisis in the royal family. We all have one thing in common - we disapprove of what Markle and Harry have done.

As you put it, we are anti-Harkles. Anti-hypocrisy, anti-manipulation and anti-lies.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Louise
Harry has been named one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA by "We are the Mighty", an online news sight for American military

Unbelievable. I hope they get a lot of feedback on that one.
Louise said…
Enbrethiliel said...

@Louise
Harry has been named one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA by "We are the Mighty", an online news sight for American military

CORRECTION: I meant to write one of the top 25 military leaders.
SwampWoman said…
JocelynSBelinissays: The problem was that Swamp Woman was putting forth a very conservative, right-leaning point of view that had nothing to do with The Harkles, and all to do with her own obvious choice for president, Trump. If she had said that her post was her *opinion*, that would be one matter, but to post that as absolute fact is downright wrong, and it attempts to send a message to others around the world that most people agree with her viewpoint, which, obviously, they do not.

This type of rhetoric is dividing and weakening our country, and that's what most people want to stop- the ranting and raving, the yelling, the screaming, the vitriol, the viewpoints put out as truths or facts with no proof.


It is funny that I am characterized as far right. Apparently you have never met anybody far right. I believe in the Constitution and will defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. (I swore an oath that didn't have an expiration date.) I do not believe that you would accept any proof that isn't published in the New York Times or the Washington Post.

People are angry, left and right. The *only* thing that can be done to legitimize Biden would be to have re-elections with witnesses at the disputed cities that have wonky results. What have they got to lose?
SwampWoman said…

Blogger Enbrethiliel said...
@Louise
Harry has been named one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA by "We are the Mighty", an online news sight for American military

Unbelievable. I hope they get a lot of feedback on that one.


A lot of military sites are *not* run by the military. Putting Harry as one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA means it was probably written by Markle.
Mel said…

Unbelievable. I hope they get a lot of feedback on that one.
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Me, too.

Disses the Queen, disses his family, calls his home country racist, ditches his military commitments, cosplays working royals while wearing honorary medals in a different country.

And on and on. And on. Disgusting and pathetic. The epitome of a loser. He is nothing and nobody.

Those two need to accept that they're not royal and this isn't England.
SwampWoman said…
Raspberry Ruffle, do you think that Earl Spencer may have been consumed by guilt for rejecting her moving to his estate?
lizzie said…
I'm not sure why Harry was named as a military leader. But the list came out before their cemetery stunt. And the blurb about him focuses on the Invictus Games and notes they were copied from Wounded Warriors.

It is a private company based in... guess...LA!
https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-mighty-networks-inc

It has all of 1200 followers according to LinkedIn.
Duncan said…
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SwampWoman said, do you think that Earl Spencer may have been consumed by guilt for rejecting her moving to his estate?

Possibly. I thought I read that he did later offer her a property but she rejected it (don’t quote me on that though). If either scenarios are true, it was possibly too little too late and he perhaps possessed some guilt. I think he had his own demons to wrestle with just like Diana did. The Spencer’s are as dysfunctional as the Windsor’s.
@ Louise: And he's referred to by his full title, i.s. HRH Prince Harry Duke of Sussex. I thought they had agreed not to use the HRH?
@ Swamp Woman and Raspberry Raffle

Perhaps this will put Diana and her brother falling out into prospective

When Diana separated from Charles she lost Highgrove as her weekend retreat and needed a place for weekends with kids. Earl Spencer offered her Althorp estate and she chose the Garden House, where previously Jane lived with her husband. Charles initially agreed, but then was briefed by the royals security service what they deemed necessary: a new elaborate alarm system and thrice-daily sweeps of the property by dog patrols. Spencer became concerned for his own family privacy and offered Diana a choice of 120 different properties in his ownership, including Wormleighton manor, a 15th century original Spencer manor house. You can look at it here https://www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/content/catalogue_wow/wormleighton-manor
The house is very grand and once was even bigger than Althorp and offered Diana complete privacy, as it had a wall and the gatehouse for bodyguards.

But Diana rejected all other options and was furious that her brother denied her wishes. She had leaked to press how hurt she was and the media started vilifying her brother for his "unfeeling behaviour". At this point she also refused to speak to him.

Perhaps the saddest part of the story was the same time Diana reconnected with Reine Spencer, her father's widow, possibly to spite her brother, and Reine, who was involved with Harrods and Fayed, encouraged Diana to accept Fayed's invitation to his villa.

The rest is history we all know.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Louise
I meant to write one of the top 25 military leaders.

Well, if he's #25, that would certainly be the lesser evil . . . But it's still a ridiculous editorial decision. (Maybe Meghan requested to guest-edit again?)

I had suspected that the photo shoot at the national cemetery was just the beginning of a new PR plan, and I think we're seeing the rest of it unfolding now. The first move was giving us new images of Prince Harry (seemingly) paying his respects to dead servicemen; the second is explaining exactly why he's such a great military leader. (He honors the dead! He supports the wounded! He pimps his wife out to Disney executives . . . Oh, wait. How did that get in there?)

And I think we've all sussed out the reason the Harkles chose an American cemetery rather than having Prince Harry return to the UK for Remembrance Sunday. (Never mind that even standing on the balcony next to Catherine would have been much better optics for him.) Meghan has seen the great respect that patriotic Americans have for those in the military. Now she's hoping that Harry's military history will give her some reflected glory. I'll bet the upcoming article will highlight how Harry's team often worked side-by-side with American troops and how much mutual respect they had for each other. Maybe there will be a new (suspiciously salad-ish) quote from Harry about how all soldiers are brothers-in-arms, no matter which flag they fought under, and that he'd love to do for the Warrior Games what he did for Invictus. Meanwhile, Meghan will start wearing more red, white and blue. I expect something else from this PR plan to come out right in time for that most American of holidays -- Thanksgiving.
@Fairy Crocodile

Thanks for the additional info regarding the property request. Diana made things difficult in so many ways for so many people. I know one of her closest friends said she could be capricious.

I really do think Harry has inherited her complex character and her worst traits.
@ Sally1975

Wow, your list is great! Did we indeed discussed so many subjects? I believe we did!
No wonder so many people visit this blog.

Discussions can get extremely interesting and enlightening.
@ Raspberry Raffle

yes indeed, that is why I find looking into Diana's character so interesting. Not because I liked her but because it explains Harry's behaviour so well.

He inherited a lot of DIana's traits but not her charisma.

Do you know that mental problems (albeit not widely discussed) were running in her family? On her great great grandfather James Roche, Baron Fermoy, side to be precise. Diana's mother Frances Rosh came from James's marriage to Ruth Gill, a greatly talented pianist he met in Paris. Frances' sister Mary struggled through 3 failed marriages and became a recluse. Edmund Roche (her brother) had a history of depression, black moods, and in 1984 he shot himself.

Ruth Fermoy who served the RF and was a friend of the Queen Mother was aware of the mental struggles and referred to them as "bad Fermoy blood".

It is possible Diana inherited instability through her mother's line and passed it to Harry. Too bad Harry didn't inherit her dignity and taste. Absolutely great that Wills seems to inherit more from Phillip's side than from his mother's line.
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SirStinxAlot said…
@ Swamp Woman said
A lot of military sites are *not* run by the military. Putting Harry as one of the top 2 military leaders in the USA means it was probably written by Markle.

May I add, paid for by Charles aka UK taxpayers.
Teasmade said…
@Fairy et al: Just like I am Team Pillow Forever, I will **never** believe this woman has any political future no matter in whatever country she lands. I don't know why it continues to be brought up here (although I'm not trying to censor anyone!); it just baffles me as a topic. Sure, she has opinions, I guess, but all her PR stunts and activism are just that: stunts for attention, imho. There's just no sincerity.

If she had any, she (and whoever else was working for her) placed her perfectly to do some good and get some experience. But no. It's all hot air. And she has no qualifications and a sketchy background. Politics is a lot of work, too, requiring stamina when done correctly.

I can say that I just don't see a future for her. And if you want information about US politics, you don't even have to try our respected media -- if you're in the UK, you could try the Guardian or the Times. They don't deal in conspiracy theories unless it's to debunk them.



SwampWoman said…

Fairy Crocodile said: Perhaps the saddest part of the story was the same time Diana reconnected with Reine Spencer, her father's widow, possibly to spite her brother, and Reine, who was involved with Harrods and Fayed, encouraged Diana to accept Fayed's invitation to his villa.

I think maybe Reine was remembering that whole getting pushed down the stairs thing from Diana when she encouraged Diana to accept the invitation. Maybe she wasn't one of those forgive and forget people.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Teasmeade
I will **never** believe this woman has any political future no matter in whatever country she lands. I don't know why it continues to be brought up here (although I'm not trying to censor anyone!); it just baffles me as a topic.

Well, I discuss it because I find her delusion about her chances hilarious. And since she seems determined to go after what she wants, I want to be there every step of the way to watch her fail to get it.
Catlady1649 said…
I, too have been impressed by the list of topics discussed on the blog.
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lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile wrote:

Perhaps the saddest part of the story was the same time Diana reconnected with Reine Spencer, her father's widow, possibly to spite her brother, and Reine, who was involved with Harrods and Fayed, encouraged Diana to accept Fayed's invitation to his villa.

Maybe.

But I've read lots of articles like the one below that suggest the reconciliation between Raine and Diana began about 3 years before Diana's death. I've also read Diana did it to needle her mother as that article suggests. (But unfortunately the info seems to come from Burrell.)

Regardless, it sounds like the reconciliation preceded Diana's involvement with the Fayeds by a fair amount of time as there are pictures of Diana and Raine together in London before summer of 1997.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/princess-diana-pushed-her-stepmother-down-a-staircase-documentary/
Teasmade said…
@Enbrethiliel: And again, I'm not saying DON'T discuss it, I'm really not! I just mean -- she's soooo unqualified! It's just ridiculous.

Time was, the yachting background alone would've disqualified her. All she'd need would be for the intel that MI-5 supposedly sanitized to resurface.

Oh well. It's fun to speculate. Oh. That's your point, right??
Sandie said…
Interesting ... Harry was called HRH Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex in that article about leaders from the military, but the HRH has now supposedly been removed.

That the article was written and that Harry was on the list is strange, but perhaps the result of PR in the time of desparation and dwindling funds for professional PR, or perhaps timed to coincide with the Remembrance Day photo op. The photo of him and Meghan and the blurb is from Wikipedia, as others have pointed out.

That the HRH has been removed from the article suggests to me that Harry is perhaps mindful in trying to do the right thing, but is following the wrong advice. Or maybe I am being too positive and he got them to remove the HRH in a moment of petulance.
@Sandie

I think some one found the 25 miliatary leader thing was from LA with like 13.000 followers (didn't say what platform). One would think its a PR, feel good, possibly paid thing.

As to the HRH being removed: don't think it was Harry's idea. Think it was either a competent PR person or someone "had a word" with him, from the UK.
lizzie said…
@MustySyphone wrote:

"I think some one found the 25 miliatary leader thing was from LA with like 13.000 followers (didn't say what platform). One would think its a PR, feel good, possibly paid thing."

I posted earlier according to LinkedIn the military group is not run by the govt but is a private company in LA. LinkedIn says 1200 followers not 13000.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-mighty-networks-inc

Sounds paid to me.
Mel said…
I don't see how glomming onto small potatoes zooms at the last minute are going to bring them the big bucks.

Plus the cemetery stunt turned off q lot of people. Looks like they've starting to be known as losers.
Louise said…
MustySyphone said...

" @Sandie

As to the HRH being removed: don't think it was Harry's idea. Think it was either a competent PR person or someone "had a word" with him, from the UK."

Actually, the HRH has not been removed:


https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty25/mighty-25-2020/

Sandie said…
@Louise

Yes, the HRH has not been removed! I believed someone who said it had without checking.

If it is an organization based in California, perhaps there is a direct or indirect link to the Harkles.

Thanks for picking up on that error and correcting it.
Sandie said…
I love politics. In my country, an arrest warrant has just been issued for a very powerful politician for decades. Many benefitted richly from his corrupt activities so it is going to get very ugly very quickly. I appreciate coming here and being distracted from the endless drama of politics, but I also understand the passion people feel.

As for the Harkles, I do feel some sympathy for them. Their royal connection is the biggest asset they have, so they need the titles, the royal appearances, the royal glamour. They never expected to be cut off as neither understood or fully embraced what British royalty actually is. Both reached their 30s without talents that could earn them the wealthy lifestyle they want and live. Meghan is good at the hustle but not at the level that would support the grandiose lifestyle she now feels entitled to. Harry can be a persuasive and very likeable charmer, but has aquired too much toxic baggage in the relationship. The doors that are opening up for them are for Prince Harry, not the pushy supporting actress from a legal soap from the past.

They both claim to be working so hard, but it seems to be a case of throwing a lot of mud at a wall knowing that some will always stick, rather than investing in quality products and doing a top-rate paint job (and days preparing surfaces).
Sandie said…
Off topic ... in my country, the president announced last night that despite one province and a few hot spots experiencing a rapid rise in infections, we will not be going back into hard lockdown. Wear masks at all times, sanitize frequently, practise social distancing, and get outdoors in the fresh air and sunshine in the festive season. So, unless the virus gets completely out of control and bodies start piling up in hospital corridors and morgues, the festive season has not been cancelled!
Sandie,

Great summary. The duo lack basic ambition with the correct skill set. High skills + high ambition = medium to high salary based on opportunity + luck. They aren't high skilled and Harry is not ambitious.

A lot of things have to go their way to achieve the constant lifestyle they desire. The mega-wealthy are generally RETIRED at their ages, not starting to work as a couple-package (even with their slight advantages). The wealthy also generally work in very straight laced jobs= finance at a bank. This and they just started a family! (Supposedly)

They aren't 24 anymore. It's wild they are behaving this way at their age. The need to 'start over'. Harry looked quite ok in the RF as a senior Royal pre-Megs. I'm sure they joked about leaving but he never really took it seriously. I agree that they didn't expect to have to really, well, work. Half in and half out, no longer taking government subsidy but drawing from the Duchy via Charles was her grand plan. For whatever reason, they assumed they could continue being funded by Charles and *dabble* in merching, movies, humanitarian for-profit stuff.

I mean, I get it. That sounds pretty great for anyone. All the invites, offers, freedom, luxury, and all because of your *status* in society? Picking and choosing what to do with your day? Which Royal dress to wear and which voiceover to do? :0 sign me up. Her Megxit dreams (demands) looked awesome to me too. Unfortunately, they were delusional. A Disney-Version of real life.

Mel,

I am also wondering what the point of the wreath ceremony was? The backlash in the U.S. was immense. Is this really apart of a strategy? Upset everyone? Or do they really feel so self-important that it doesn't matter to them? The public isn't understanding what they are seeing. Why are a prince and his wife on US soil honoring UK soldiers, via Commonwealth servicemembers?

Wouldn't it have been best to be in the UK for such a spectacle? Did they not want anyone to know they were not allowed?

I really don't get it. If they meant it then they wouldn't have brought a photographer with them.
Sandie said…
As I said before, the best way Harry could have honoured Memorial Day was with handwritten letters to his former regiment and those for whom he still holds suspended ceremonial positions. A donation to a UK and a Commonwealth fund for veterans would have perhaps also been appropriate.

But, no, the Harkles went stomping all over an American cemetry with professional photographer in tow to put on a royal performance.
SwampWoman said…
Sandie said...
Off topic ... in my country, the president announced last night that despite one province and a few hot spots experiencing a rapid rise in infections, we will not be going back into hard lockdown. Wear masks at all times, sanitize frequently, practise social distancing, and get outdoors in the fresh air and sunshine in the festive season. So, unless the virus gets completely out of control and bodies start piling up in hospital corridors and morgues, the festive season has not been cancelled!


We're good here, too (Florida). Kids and grandkids will all be here for Thanksgiving (November 26) unless a tree falls on our house in the tropical storm tomorrow. We're (state of Florida) having steady to slightly increasing cases as we chug along. There are currently three people in our small rural hospital with COVID but nobody is in the ICU.

Some places in the USA are having big increases and concurrent death increases. Whether this is due to a new mutation or whether it is due to people moving indoors due to cold/declining vitamin D status, I couldn't say. We're having more tourists testing positive again.

Friends in Idaho are quarantined with it; he'll be back to work next week. (Here, we have to have two sequential negative tests which may be overkill because the tests will detect dead virus particles being shed.)
SwampWoman said…
Not Meghan Markle said: They aren't 24 anymore. It's wild they are behaving this way at their age. The need to 'start over'. Harry looked quite ok in the RF as a senior Royal pre-Megs. I'm sure they joked about leaving but he never really took it seriously. I agree that they didn't expect to have to really, well, work. Half in and half out, no longer taking government subsidy but drawing from the Duchy via Charles was her grand plan. For whatever reason, they assumed they could continue being funded by Charles and *dabble* in merching, movies, humanitarian for-profit stuff.


But...but...they're just CHILDREN! They're YOUNG PARENTS! (grin) Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Harry as a great soldier? Great leader?

The opinion of a bot farm?
Unknown said…
Hello All,

I see tensions ran high when I couldn't be around yesterday. I apologize but I had an emergency to attend to. Next week of my involvement on the blog will be affected. I will be around daily but in a more limited capacity.

I do not want to put comments on constant moderation and punish most Nutties who are decent and good actors. Most here I can see are capable of disagreeing civilly. I would like to ask everyone please be respectful to those with differing opinions from you.

I don't think discussing updates to the American elections in real time is a good idea. For now, my guideline is to please stick to Sussexes direct involvement in politics. If there is straying, please be civil and courteous. Thank you.
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