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Open Post: Cambridge tour to Pakistan, Archie's lack of attachment, and the Sussex Foundation's new hire

Here's a fresh post to discuss the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's ongoing tour of Pakistan, various theories about Archie's lack of attachment to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and the Sussex Foundation's latest hire - Kirsty Young, a former radio presenter who is married to Nick Jones, the founder of Soho House.

Please be kind to each other! As some of you have noted, I'm not a professional moderator; I'm a writer operating this nonprofit blog purely for fun. A lot of the time I would like to have spent writing I've spent deleting comments in which people are sniping at each other. That's not fun at all.

There are only two rules at this blog: you must be willing to seriously discuss this case, and you may not use vicious language about the Sussexes or about each other.

Also, you are more than welcome to discuss possible surrogate situations regarding Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

Thank you!

Comments

Mama Lawma said…
I have loved watching the Cambridges come into their own - as a family, as royals. When William said their feet paddle away under the surface, he meant it. They have been planning this tour down to the inch and their preparation shows.

A few dozen comments ago, people were sharing when their opinion of Meg changed
so I wanted to pipe up, if I may. I’d hoped Harry had followed his brother’s example and married well - he really seemed to like Kate and be happy for William when he married her. Remember the nudge and grin where he said “wait till you see her” as he stood next to Wills at the altar? I literally loved him for it.

I remember when the rumors broke that Harry and Meg were dating. “someone” noticed they had the same beaded African bracelet in some random IG photos. I remember thinking that’s an excruciatingly small detail to notice. I could see people watching Harry that closely, but watching Meghan that closely and noticing the SAME beaded bracelet? And drawing the conclusion that they were an item instead, say, she happened to buy the same bracelet... it just seemed off.

Then there was the engagement photo shoot. I was so excited to see the photos and her dress was just inappropriate for the setting. She was wearing a sheer, black formal gown that was wholly inappropriate for a day time photo shoot. But worse - it didn’t match the formality of Harry’s suit. She was far too dressed up for the occasion. And to make my other eyebrow raise, there were tons of articles about how much more loving and natural their photos were than the Cambridges’ engagement photos. Now I understand that was Markle PR chicanery but at the time I started to think I was in a parallel universe where I’m the only one who doesn’t pick up on the hidden meaning of matching African beaded bracelets and where inappropriate ball gowns for a future duchess are just fine.

The final straw for me was the wedding day and Meg HAPPENED to see her old teacher front and center as she rode in the carriage after the ceremony. The odds of her teacher grabbing that spot and Meg seeing her - AND recognizing her - as the carriage rolled by just finally broke my BS meter. I was out of “wellllll mayyyyybe....” explanations. She was clearly fabricating so much of her experiences.

So by the time the moonbump appeared and a “friend” of Meg’s was quoted as saying that she “sailed through pregnancy” (the pregnancy that miraculously happened at 37, despite what was probably a lengthy stint on her back on every casting couch she could find), I went from bemused skepticism to outright contempt. She’s a horror show of a human. Her downfall is she refuses to be vulnerable and flawed. She can’t say “I don’t want my photo taken on the steps of the hospital after I give birth because I anticipate looking perfectly awful, big ups to Kate to looking flawless after each baby,” she has to dig at Kate and make it about feminism.

So that’s how the Harkles lost me. God save King William and Queen Catherine! Long may they rein!
Mimi said…
I am going to have to get my hands on a bottle of Tignanello wine and try it out. It is HRH The Duchess of Sussex favorite wine. The one she did not even know how to pronounce. It is pronounced Teen nan yello....something like that.
Avery said…
@Mama Lawma - Standing ovation. Totally! Everything you said. Especially noticing the teacher. I know she's an actress, but it's your wedding day, you have THRONGS of people rushing by due to being in a carriage. Your heart is pounding, you've just been through one hell of a ceremony - and you manage to spy one person and recognize them? I wouldn't have recognized or spotted a best friend in a line up in such a situation!
Mimi said…
MamaLawma, I could have written what you said myself...word for word.......so is sitting between Harry’s legs in a semi transparent ball gown with her hair a mess more “natural”? What a joke!!!!!!
Glow W said…
Are you saying snark is snark and is fun and doesn’t have to make sense?
abbyh said…

Elle, Reine des Abeilles

I miss her too
Himmy said…
I don’t understand why MM wears ill fitting tight clothes now. It is not a great way to merch. Who would like to sponsor her in the future?

I think she is either mentally ill or put on a “poor me” act to gain more sympathy.
abbyh said…

Nutty did a post (with comments) about the clothing. One speculation was that she was getting samples of the next season which was why the colors never seem to match the current season.
Mimi said…
i thought she used to dress very nice when she was an actress. At least in the few photos I saw of her. Her clothes were well fitting, appropriate for the occasion. She looked very nice.
Himmy said…
@Abbyh Thanks for your answer. MM could request the right size of clothes from her sponsors and hire some professional stylist. She was an actress (not a very good one). She should be extremely image conscious. The way she dresses now does not make much sense to me.

Btw, I live in the states and have never heard of her before Harry. I did not follow BRF before MM. I just think her behaviors are very bizarre.
Vanessa V said…
Cambridges tour was awesome.The visit on the Himalayas mountains were epic.Beautiful scenery and colorful people.They represent well and respect the culture.As for Megain,draping the coat on her shoulder looked tacky on her cos she is short and has no model-like body.She just looked wide and squared.
SwampWoman said…
@ Mimi and Avery: Perhaps if we try to conjure her up a la Beetlejuice....

I think she might be at her blog using language that no proper Southern lady is supposed to say, let alone utter out loud.(grin) Plus, she has an actual paying job and is a productive member of society, and we all know how real life can interfere in a good gossip session.
Mimi said…
SwampWoman........here’s to Elle! Long may she reign!!!!!!
SwampWoman said…
Mimi, let me pop open the new bottle of California red wine that I just picked up so that I can toast Elle properly. There's a small brewery at the beach that brews pineapple rum. I need to get some so that I can pass it around to everybody!
SwampWoman said…
Welcome, Mama Lawma! White wine, red wine, tequila, pineapple rum, Crack Babies? Name yer poison and come sit with us on account of we probably best not be standing.

I think I've seen everybody else in the room tonight before except Vanessa V? Join the party.

Oh, snap. If any of the Sussex trolls are here, the red whine and the white whine are back in the dark corner.
Mimi said…
Oh SwampWoman....... you’re GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
SwampWoman said…
Here's to Elle! I'm counting the effort it to took to get that damn cork out of the bottle as cardiovascular exercise.

Now, I need to look at the Cambridge clothing selections today.
Mimi said…
SwampWoman, 😂. catch you tomorrow. The white zin caught up with me........
SwampWoman said…
Love the bright colors and happy faces of the Kalash people! I have to say that Wills looks really good in that hat. REALLY good.
emeraldcity said…
My goodness, this thread has become something of a spaghetti junction.

Just a quick comment on something that csught my eye,from Town and Country Magazine online........

A foundation spokesman said today: “I can confirm that Kirsty Young will be joining Professor Stefan Allesch-Taylor, Steven Cooper and Karen Blackett OBE as a trustee of Sussex Royal. She has therefore been added to the filing of the CLG.”

He added that Sussex Royal is formally due to launch in 2020, and “we are looking forward to sharing more details in the coming months.”

A Company Limited by Guarantee without a Share capital (CLG), is usually used in circumstances that require a separate legal entity and corporate protection in organisations such as charities, trade associations, societies, sports clubs and social clubs. This company type is appropriate for non-profit companies or NGO’s (non-governmental organisations). They can also be used for property management purposes in the servicing and maintenance of residential associations. The legal title of a CLG must end in the suffix “Company Limited by Guarantee” or ”CLG”. However, there are some exemptions – a company can apply for removal of the suffix when its objects are in the promotion of commerce, art, science, education, religion, charity or any other prescribed object.

There are no shareholders or share capital in this type of company. Instead of shareholders, they are required to appoint member/s, who guarantee to contribute 1 euro to the company in the event of its winding up (subject to the Company Constitution).

A CLG (Company Limited by Guarentee) is a type of registration used for company charities in Australia. CLGs are registered by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC). I don't know if a CLG it is the same in the UK but I would think so.

SwampWoman said…
Mimi, after thinking about how very good Wills looked in that hat, I looked at my bottle of wine. There is not as much left as there should be. Maybe I, too, had a bit more than I should (grin). But we did it for Elle. (Elle, this is what happens when we are left on our own. Just sayin'.) Goodnight, have a good day tomorrow. I need to be up early and be a worker bee for the good of humanity. Or maybe it is just for my own good. Humanity can kiss my grits.

Here's to you, Mimi!
LavenderToast said…
Please help me! I have an ignorant question,,,,,how does one 'sign in' so my name will be displayed. Do I need to register or what? I am tired of my 'unknown' remarks being mistaken for others' comments as 'unknown;. Thank you for your anticipated easy explanation.
SwampWoman said…
Emeraldcity, how interesting. Do they register their 'charity' in every commonwealth country?
SwampWoman said…
Unknown, you have to open a Google account in order to sign in with your screen name. If you do not wish to do that, you can identify yourself at the beginning of your entry as your chosen screen name.
emeraldcity said…
@Swamp Woman.....

I don't remember where I saw it but I'm sure I read an article yesterday listing lots of countries Australia and NZ amongst them where the Foundation is registered, so I would assume this company is being registered in many countries.

I really know nothing about company law but it seems to me that this 'Foundation' is a company first and a charity second or it is the charity arm of a company. Meghan and Harry are listed as directors (ie company directors) while everyone else seems to be a principle or a trustee. There were four directors to start with, then two of them resigned less than 8 weeks after the company/foundation was formed, leaving just Megs and Harry as directors. Kate and William are simply listed as principles in their Foundation.

It could be perfectly legit but it could also be a switch and bait, a way to siphon off money to the directors or whom ever they wish to give money too. I don't know enough about company law to make a judgement on this, it just seems somewhat fishy to me.
LavenderToast said…
So Ozmanda,,,,could you distill your cited info as to how it relates to Harry?
Lurking said…
New article out in the Mirror about how Harry was teased for picking up rubbish (trash) while walking.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-reveals-teased-after-13533604

Harry said: "I used to get taken the mickey out of at school for just picking up rubbish" reports the Express.

This is a twofer... bullying and environmentalism!

"Before you know it, somebody [says], 'What are you doing?' I've literally done this because I am programmed to do it because my father did it. And actually, we should all be doing it."

If all Harry suffered was some teasing about picking up rubbish, he was lucky. Other boys in British boarding schools suffered much worse.

emeraldcity said…

A little more digging has resulted in the fact that a CLG registered in select foreign countries and the USA is fast tracked into becoming a recognised 501(c)(3) organization (IRS tax free organization)

Normally the process could take a year or more with the IRS doing lots of checks on the company, especially if it is a new company/foundation. This 501(c)(3) status also makes it very easy for US citizens/companies to donate to the foundation and collect an immediate tax exemption and for certain 'expenses' of employees of the company to be regarded as tax free and not a perk in the US.

These expenses can be inflated directors salaries, first class travel, private jets,expensive hotel stays, extravagant dinners/parties/galas......all classed as necessary fund raising expenses.

The outrageous expenses of amfAR (the aids charity) come to mind and all perfectly legit in relation to foundation 'expenses'.
Liver Bird said…
@Lurking

"This is a twofer... bullying and environmentalism!"

It just never ends, does it? Surprised he didn't find a way to bring the media and his poor wife into it, but I guess that's for the next round.

And for a man who since the day he was born has had a whole army of staff to literally pick up after him, his finger wagging is a bit much. But it's always a bit much with these two.

"If all Harry suffered was some teasing about picking up rubbish, he was lucky. Other boys in British boarding schools suffered much worse"

Yp. And who hasn't been teased at school? This isn't just about Harry but I'm sick of celebrities moaning about how they were 'bullied' at school. Yeah, we all were - for being fat, or thin, or ginger, or spotty, or whatever - and most of us got over it.
Jenx said…
@emerald city. Great information. I do believe things are afoot and they that will not be obvious to casual investigation. It will be interesting to see where the foundation leads espdcially now that there is a Sohoite in the mix.
Also curious about the nebulous reports of missing funds elsewhere. Shady. MM sure isn't up to the wazoo in haute culture anymore. Has she been reined in? Cut off? Or will it just be another "poor me" scenario?
Did you see PC has an itv doc coming out on the 24th about farming in the duchy? More one upmanship by the dastardly duo?
Pineapple rum?! Oh my!
Nelo said…
Max Foster of CNN wrote a very interesting piece on Prince William. But the most interesting is that Prince William is increasingly being seen as an asset in British diplomatic circles. The Sussexes will be mad.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/asia/prince-william-pakistan-royal-tour-analysis-gbr-intl/index.html
Allegra said…
The information re Arizona registration you will find on HarryMarkle blog, it was posted a few months ago. Lots of love to Nutties and of course to Nutty as well.
Girl with a Hat said…
There's a story in the DM from a psychiatrist who is saying that Harry's display of waterworks at the charity function the other day was too much.

And, there are leaks about the content of the documentary which will be airing on Sunday about the South African tour of the Sussexes. It seems they will be spinning a story about how difficult their lives are. I think this is going to backfire big time and will be another mark in the loss column for the Sussexes. How many more will they be allowed because let's face it, they are dragging the BRF down with them.
JLC said…
@Mischi - yes, saw that article too. Looking at the comments, a large number of people are saying that he clearly started laughing. I'm pleased that is getting out there, as I thought that straight away.

I don't think I can watch the documentary, even if I have wine on hand. I will wait to read about it on the usual twitter and blogger sites!
Jenx said…
I commented on a mainstream YouTube channel that he was clearly laughing ... and he snorted. Well, aren't I the stupid one. There were some attacks but a couple of agreements too. Work to be done. I don't understand how people can believe what they're told instead of what they see with their very own eyes.
none said…
I think he was laughing as well. Seems far fetched that he would break into a loud sob like that in the middle of a speech.
lizzie said…
The story about Harry being "bullied" for picking up trash when he was in school is hardly new although it is a "two-fer" now. (And originally he wasn't bullied but teased in a good natured way, I thought.) Regardless, the story was told a year ago when Prince Charles at 70 aired. Both W&H were taught to do this by Charles (whose been an eco-warrier longer than Harry has existed.) 
SwampWoman said…
Yes, he was laughing. Maybe the speech he was reading was too over the top for him, but think of the venue.
SwampWoman said…
If anybody was bullied for being an eco warrior, it was Charles. I seem to remember relentless criticism in the press as well as within his own family.
Hikari said…
Last evening I was scrolling through our fellow bloggers TCD and Skippy and one of them posted a number of photos taken of Megs and Harry in the car following the Well Child awards. In the first shot, they are both in the back seat. She is looking outward and smiling (natch) while he is leaned in and appears to be giving her a telling off.

The next series of shots shows her alone in the back seat, adjusting her wig and making an interesting moue, a bit like she looked on the TOC balcony . . the last time she got a public telling off from her Boo. No sign of Harry. In the front seat are two RPOs who both look extremely grim, since they have had to listen the the preceding whatever it was. Interesting.

Current intel floating around on Meg's domicile is that it's Soho House Somerset.

I wanted to confirm the site for you all so you could go look for yourself, but lo and behold, those pictures have completely disappeared and are nowhere to be found on either site. Hastily taken down, I guess, for reasons unknown.

Scuttlebutt is that Haz's bizarre 'breakdown' was prompted by being blindsided by not seeing his prepared speech on the teleprompter and/or the expectation by Megs that he was going to play along with the Blow Up the Cambridges Tour with his announcement from the stage that he was going to be a father *again*. Haz refused to read his lines and an argument ensued in the car.

This is what Harkle watchers are saying.
PaisleyGirl said…
He seemed to be laughing to me, which seemed very inappropriate given the situation. It made me wonder if he was stoned / under the influence, as that makes you laugh at things that aren't funny as well.
SwampWoman said…
Harry has always seemed like the type to do the bullying rather than to be bullied. And if you say anything to the contrary about what a kind, sensitive soul he was/is, you are bullying me.
abbyh said…

Oh look in the DM another positive M article. This time about how the makeup artist did her wedding day.

I think the idea of we might be interested is long past the best by date.
Miggy said…
@Hikari

"I wanted to confirm the site for you all so you could go look for yourself, but lo and behold, those pictures have completely disappeared and are nowhere to be found on either site. Hastily taken down, I guess, for reasons unknown."

Do you mean this site?

https://meghan-markle.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=859&pid=96378#top_display_media
SwampWoman said…
Hikari, I saw that. I found it interesting but, since I don't know the provenance of the pictures, I will say for the record that I don't know. It certainly is fun to speculate, though, and I do believe that she is the very type of person that would want to interject herself into redirecting the Cambridge's positive press to herself. We shall see if there is a revelation of the second coming of a Sussex heir soon. Can you imagine being the security people, having to listen to the telling off like a piece of furniture and having to keep a straight face? My eyeballs would have popped right out of my head from the facial muscle strain.

I forevermore am going to see the soundtrack of her life as "Dame tu Cosita". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzG4uDgje3M
The Cat's Meow said…
@Nutty -- Wow, your blog is on FIRE ;)

Read this comment on the DM regarding Harry's "crying spell." Someone commented that Meghan wrote the speech and that Harry hadn't even bothered to look it over before that evening...and then when he got to that business about their first child he couldn't prevent himself from cracking up. And then of course had to "cry" to cover it up.

Makes a lot of sense to me.
SwampWoman said…
Abbyh says:Oh look in the DM another positive M article. This time about how the makeup artist did her wedding day.

I think the idea of we might be interested is long past the best by date.


I do not think that I would want to take credit for her wedding day makeup. If somebody accused me (excuse me, wanted to give me the credit) for it, I would deny it.
Hikari said…
@Miggy

No, the pictures I saw were taken on the street at night of the two Harkles inside the vehicle through the window. They were not the clearest in quality as they were shot through the windscreen at some distance away, but it is definitely them and two RPOs in the front.

@SwampWoman

I understand what you mean about the provenance of the photos, although they did seem genuinely to be of Wednesday's event. Rach is in the righthand center of the back seat, all the better to see herself in the rearview mirror, where she's futzing with her hair as per usual. The camel coat over the shoulders and the neckline of the green dress are clearly visible, as is the paucity of hair on the side of Hazza's head facing the camera. This time last year, or this time two years ago, when we first saw the green dress, he had a lot more in the follicle department.

These two stage photo ops all the time, of course, but I doubt the appearance, at the least of a heated argument/estrangement on the heels of Harry's stage appearance just prior would have been helpful to their desired optics. Whatever was said, Harry is at first in the car, and then out, his seat taken by an RPO, with another one in the front driving. It sure did not look like a happy vehicle, in sharp contrast to the beaming smiles all 'round when Wills and Kate were in the tuk tuk. Oh, the irony!

Since the photos have vanished within 12 hours or so of being posted--I saw them last night around 10pm but have no idea how long they'd been up or when exactly they were removed, it seems that someone was feeling the heat of posting unauthorized pictures and took them down herself, or was compelled to take them down. I'm thinking the latter, because there are still tons of unflattering photos of Meg squeezed into the way-too-tight-now green dress, with a strange vertical lump on her backside that netizens are joking is her vestigial tail.

It's true that speculation is all we've got, but there's a lot of photographic support on other occasions that Haz and Meg have had a lot of glum/tense looking car rides together since they married. I really believe that despite their public displays, he really can't bear to be with her a single minute longer than necessary in enclosed spaces.

This woman has certainly shown us how she lives to upstage other people's major life events with her petty drama, kicking off with the Bump Burlesque at Eugenie's wedding. Then she trots out this green number that she wore 2 years ago when she was very slender, only now she isn't . . also appears to be wearing buttpads again so as to resemble Marilyn Monroe with a vestigial tail from the back view--in the same shade that Catherine just wore so successfully in Pakistan on the same day. Meg always intended emerald green to be 'her' color, but since being shot down by HM over the coveted emerald tiara has only worn one other dress in this color when she was aping one of Diana's maternity looks.

Reasserting her claim on emerald green (which Catherine wears far, far better) in the dress she considers her iconic look (misguidedly so) to announce that she's pregnant again in a highly public event precisely when Catherine is getting wonderful press for her tour deportment--this is a classic Meg scheme.

The Pakistan tour photos are really lovely. I noted several occasions (at least three) in which Catherine lightly touches her stomach. Whether she's pregnant and throwing subtle shade at Her Wokeness (I do not attribute this level of pettiness to anybody by Meg, personally), or just touching her stomach the way any of us do time to time without thinking too much about it . . It made me smile. Kate is looking slim and lovely in the ethnic fashions of Pakistan . . but a new Cambridge baby wold cheer the world at such a fraught time.
JL said…
@EmeraldCity always interesting information.
I cannot underatand why an investigative journalist is not running with this Sussex Foundation rollup to being a global piggy bank for the Harkles as well as probable money-laundering outfit. The actions surrounding the foundation do suggest that Harry and MeMe are preparing for their exit. Perpetually grumpy Harry appears to be sick-to-death with royal life.

If they are not exiting in 2020 with their foundation, then why is Buckingham palace permitting the grifting?

If they are exiting, will anyone care about two very unpleasant phonies? Even if the probably narrative is all about their “love story”?
Hikari said…
KitKat,

>>>Hikari wrote something to the effect that "Harry has trouble with the lies he is forced to tell."

I have a hard time imagining how or why Harry is being forced to lie. There have been lots of theories, such as that he is gay, a drug user, has a child, is a love child--and I can't imagine in 2019 that any of those would be insurmountable as far as his public image. What he is doing NOW will be insurmountable. The only thing I can think of that would be truly blackmail worthy is if Rachel has evidence that the RF took out Diana.<<<

In the context of that Well Child speech, the lies I had in mind were relating to Archie specifically . . how was this baby conceived, is he their genetic son, do they have custody of/are raising him . . and why all the weirdness and cloak of secrecy surrounding this baby if there is nothing out of the ordinary to hide . . and why their staged interactions with him we have been permitted to see look so very stiff, unnatural, forced and odd.

I am so very worried about this little boy and his emotional development at the hands of two narc parents, you see. Above all, Archie is my primary concern, and what his future will hold if his first few months of life have been like this.

*****

As to other potential lies . . .relating to sexual identity, drug use, other illegal activities all leading to blackmail, who can say? With the recent appointment of the wife of the Soho House founder to run the Sussex Fauxndation, I need no further proof that 'all roads lead to Soho House'. If Meg has backers, they are within this organization of celebrity luminati with their fingers in any number of fiscal enterprises. And now they have an agent inside the Royal Family. Hmm.

At the time of the wedding, I, along with millions worldwide swallowed that Lifetime movie narrative: Lonely bachelor prince with a traumatic childhood and many romantic disappointments finally finds love and happiness with an exotic American showgirl who also happens to be a fantastically kind global humanitarian. What a good match!

This storybook version is the one they are pushing but it never happened. What did happen is that Meg hired some big gun PR firms to arrange introductions to people who could put her into Harry's path, which he blundered right into, but any initial carnal attraction he felt toward her easy charms was swiftly exploited into forcing him into a binding contract that guaranteed perks for Meg's powerful celebrity friends. We are seeing the bills coming due now.

Ask yourself . . why is a two-bit cable actress from Compton with dubious academic credentials and no discernible skill, who used to jiggle her fake boobs in front of Howie Mandel with a suitcase now receiving glowing character references from the likes of Hillary Clinton? Why does a former high ranking Clinton staffer now work for Meghan in helping the Sussexes set up a bogus charity modeled on the Clinton Foundation?

I don't know what Harry's getting out of all this. We can see with our own eyes what this 'marriage' is doing to him physically and mentally. If it's blackmail, it's something really bad. Not just recreational drug use or hook-ups with dudes. Really bad. Jeffrey Epstein bad. What a cesspool it all is. And to think how it might have been if Haz had just stayed off skanky yachts and been worthy of a nice British girl like Cressida.

Haz has tanked his life. It's in the toilet. I think he realizes this now, which is why he is now having visible breakdowns in public and telling journalists that he can't get out of bed. It's only going to get worse I fear.
LavenderToast said…
I've been lurking here but hopefully, have a 'name' now attached to my comments. BTW I just love Kate's outfits in Pakistan and Prince William is good looking too; thankfully he doesn't wear wrinkled grey suits.
Miggy said…
@Hikari

On that site that I posted, below the large photo is a set of photos which you can click on, including the one of H and M in the car and also Sparkles fiddling with her hair.
QueenWhitby said…
If anyone is interested in the photos, they are still up at ladygreyhound93 (#NotMyDuchess) on Tumbler. What they represent is ambiguous but Harry was in the car in the back seat and then left. That particular pic has been removed. Even funnier are the memes relating to her rear end - I try to steer clear of those sorts of things but dammit they are funny!
Fairy Crocodile said…
Comment in the DM "If we was laughing at the event dedicated to the seriously ill children he is even crazier than I thought". Bye Bye Harry the Hero.
Hikari said…
Thanks, gals.

I am not on Tumblr and still learning to navigate it, but it seems that anybody who follows the page can submit things to post. LadyGreyhound is a frequent contributor to the Charlatan Duchess page, which is where I think I saw the photos initially. TCD seems to have removed them from her page as of today, but they are pretty instructive as to Haz's mood for the evening. It's really interesting that he never displays any personal warmth or touchy-feely stuff toward her in candid snaps of unguarded, private moments. At those times, he barely looks at her and sits as far away as possible. So the 180 when in public view is really notable.
KnitWit said…
My first impression of Harry's speach was, oh no, Markle is giving him acting lessons.

Disrespectful of the suffering parents in the audience.

Those two are so disrespectful.
Glow W said…
I love Kate’s outfits and I wish we could wear them here daily. I love coats and would love to wear this style of top. I have studied the photo of MM’s behind and I can’t for the life of me figure out what that triangle is. Lol With the pics of them in the car, it looked to me like she was waving, not shushing him, but that is open for interpretation.

As mentioned above, I think a large part is that everyone wanted Harry to marry a pure English rose and instead he married her. Instant hate.

Most pics of royals in cars have them looking stone faced and sitting apart. No one says anything when it’s the Queen but with these two, people look and hope for loaded situations.
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, no one hates Meghan because she isn't an English rose. They hate her for a hundred different reasons, the latest being the butt pads she wears at a charity event where she represents the BRF. Harry could have married an American Latina, and if she behaved properly, no one would make an issue of it.
Glow W said…
BTW, I have seen no articles on the worldwide media about someone shouting to get rid of Markle at the very important and reverent opening of Parliament. It either didn’t happen (it didn’t happen) or the world wide media is hushing it up.

This reminds me that Yankee Wally needs to be very careful about who she is suing. She states things that never happened and it seems she had been shut down by YouTube several times at least since 2012 that I have found.
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, if you followed Yankee Wally's struggle, she states that it's her opinion and not necessarily true, and that isn't a valid legal reason for closing a youtube channel.

Miggy said…
@Tatty

HATE is a very strong word and one I rarely use.
I DISLIKE Meghan Markle.
It has nothing to do with colour, or the fact that she is an American.
It is because I have witnessed her shoddy behaviour too many times to mention.
Glow W said…
Oh and someone ran to Yankee Wally on twitter and asked for back up for twitter people to come here and back up those who said they heard “get rid of Markle” so that pretty much shows what a weak assertation they had.
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, why are you stirring things up? that proves nothing.
Glow W said…
I don’t follow her so I don’t know the story. I have heard she was harassed to the point where people called her work and tried to get her fired and that is not right. I’m not saying she doesn’t have a case. I’m saying she said they have no idea who they are dealing with, but the same applies to her as well. She might be opening pandora’s Box, though I support her standing up for herself if that is what she feels she needs to do.
lizzie said…
@tatty..but it wasn't "instant hate" because Harry married Meghan at least not from what I saw and read. (I didn't feel that way for sure.) At most, there was concern it seemed to all happen so fast given they'd been living on separate continents. But most people were happy Harry found someone.

For me, the first real stirrings of concern about Meghan fitting in (or even wanting to fit in) came with her bare- shouldered outfit at the Trooping. There are decades-worth of photos (easily found by Meghan or by her "stylist") showing the RF with the Queen at that important morning event. No woman has ever appeared on the balcony at that event strapless or bare-shouldered. One of the York sisters wore a sleeveless dress once but it looked like a traditional day dress overall. Meghan's didn't.
Glow W said…
I should clarify, instant hate from some people.
Glow W said…
I agree MM’s style leaves a lot to be desired. My understanding about the panty hose is that the company doesn’t make her shade. At any rate, I detest panty hose and hope they never come back in style. I have eczema though and panty hose always irritated my skin.

Kate, to me, looks entirely too Victorian and matronly on a lot of her outfits, but she always looks good and proper. She will be queen one day, so I guess she is going for the puritanical look. Plus, she is thin as a rail so she can wear anything well, even the choices I don’t care for.
Girl with a Hat said…
What I don't get is how Harry follows her around and does her bidding, but reports say that he lashes out at her at the first opportunity. If someone tried to make me do something I didn't want to, like lie in public, I would call them out, even in public. Let the liar deal with the backlash.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5y-0JXA54U

you have to watch this! apparently, they did not arrive to the Well Child ceremony together, and Meghan wasn't even supposed to be there!

and people who were at the ceremony were saying that Meghan was acting like a warden.

LavenderToast said…
@tatty I think with the lawsuit the press is being overly respectful and why would they report I person's shout. If it had been a chorus of shouts, then that might be significant. Even when the Harkles was booed at a few public appearances the press was kind and did not report it.

And I and many others listened to the tapes and heard it, so We think it happened. I believe the tapes differ due to where the recording device was in the audience.

As for people (Yankee Wally or others) being shut down, well that can happen for a variety of reasons and it does not have to be a legitimate reason. The internet service provider determines (like an authoritarian regime) what they want to do and they have the only say in it. Look at what happened with doxing people who were outspoken against Meghan, their personal lives were damaged because they expressed negative opinions. .I have seen you express negative opinions against contributors here yet you are allowed free speech.
JL said…
DanJa Zone has a very interesting analysis on what went down at the Wellness awards, alleging that MM as usual crashed the event and that she and Harry were antagonistic to each other the whole time straight into the car, which he exited.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5y-0JXA54U

Also Murky Meg and 2Taz on YouTube have now received threats just like Yankee Wally.
Girl with a Hat said…
And Ashlee says that her sources who were at the ceremony said that they argued in the car and left separately. Also, that he was trying to avoid her on stage and that she appeared to have been crying earlier.
SwampWoman said…
Tatty said: As mentioned above, I think a large part is that everyone wanted Harry to marry a pure English rose and instead he married her. Instant hate.


Just to be clear, are you accusing people of racism because of her mixed ethnicity or hatred of Americans due to her country of origin?

I had no idea of her mixed ethnicity, nor do I care. If people want to hate on Americans, that is their prerogative. Personally, I think it is because people have figured out she is a skank.
abbyh said…
IDK Tatty, I'm not convinced people didn't like her because she wasn't an English rose.

I think people were just happy for them. It was when they started hearing and seeing things which set off their "what was that all about" or "that doesn't make sense" behaviors which started to turn the tide against her.

I think also it is easy to fall into a well it must be racism or something but when you look at what the comments are, race is not a factor in the majority of comments (I suspect that there can and were some which were as there are racists still around and view things from that lens). We are talking about the majority of what the dislike stemmed from, not the extreme few.

It was because she wasn't following protol about how to dress (stockings*, dresses) or following rank as to where you can and cannot stand).

Or it was because there was always all this drama associated with anything she did. Whether it was maternity clothes, bumps, truthfulness about when the birth happened, pictures. It was upstaging people like her husband at different events or the award/wreath laying ceremony - events when she was not expected.

I think (think) people want and expect their princesses to behave in what they think of as pincessey fashion (proper protocol, attire, keeping the public in the loop of baby when) and that started some teeth on edge. I think people were expecting an honest here's what's happening in our life (expected baby around, we've left for the hospital) and are saying: wait - why did SA get film of a baby and we didn't? Or all these celebs talking about how they got to see/hold/feed a baby and we didn't?

Spending money like it was water from the tap and you don't pay the water bill started rubbing others the wrong way. People are having real financial hardships and then the articles about needing heated yoga room or copper bath tubs or similar started grating more.

Or the vanity projects which seem to be not keeping HM in the loop. People are starting get protective of her - as she is looking noticeable more frail. If they start linking MM and decline of the Queen's health, there will be more knashing.

Or maybe some of it started with all the celebs around her suddenly and that is a very different culture to how the BRF is viewed.

*stockings - there are dozens of brands and come in almost a million shades. You just have to spend time looking and trying things on. And, what works in one season might not match as well in another.

Once you lose some of your support, one either steps back and regroups, learns how not to make the same mistakes or you double down. She comes off as doubling down.
abbyh said…

Nutty, thinking of you, hope you are well and it is just a work crunch.
LavenderToast said…
I for one did wish that Prince Harry choose an 'English rose' and I am an American and previously from Los Angeles) . However when he married her I had hopes it would be a good marriage and she prove to be a wonderful addition to the BRF (despite my misgivings after I read about her multiple marriages, tawdry acting roles, etc,,,,). What did it for me was what pretty much everything that people wrote about here and especially the treatment of her Father.

I will justify my choice for an English rose, because I thought Diana was one. and a beautiful example inside and out. Instead the BRF got a common garden weed, an invasive weed that threatens to take over the garden patch with negativity, disrespect and overbearing behaviour toward Harry and even her own? son it seems.
Tea Cup said…
All the way from my enclave on the other side of the world I have been immensely enjoying the royal tour in Pakistan. Demure Catherine is simply stunning. I can't believe how excited I've become every morning as I eagerly search online for the new pictures. The Cambridges have brilliantly showcased what an incredible country Pakistan is today. The constant Diana references by the RRs are tiresome but inevitable I guess. To me the Cambridges hold court in spite of her constant mentions. If William were to ever lose his mind and carelessly discard Catherine, can you imagine the line of billionaires hastily scrambling to beat at her door?
JL said…
Also @Tatty
I am the one who said that the person who possibly heckled Her Majesty:

“I'd like to add that the person actually sounded to me like it was Yankee Wally (crazy I know).”
I did not mean to open up a can of worms or implicate already beleaguered Yankee Wally.
Please note the parenthetical clause, which you apparently missed.

Mainly what I was referencing was an accent, which could be anyone from a region.

The main thrust of my post, which is located on this thread at
October 16, 2019 at 10:55 am is that IF the Queen was heckled, I thought it to be incredibly rude and disrespectful.

I actualy think this sound bite is just like the photos of the blue dress or shoes that go viral with half the viewers swearing it is one color while the other half swearing it is another.

LavenderToast said…
I had thought what would I do if I became a 'married in' bride in the BRF. 1. I would read all I could get my hands on about the History of Great Britain and the Commonwealth countries. 2. I would study the protocol and be coached on everything right from a curtsy to holding my teacup. 3. I would dress with modesty (Puritanical like @tatty demeans) with good grooming including wearing tights. 4. I would take a genuine interest in the supported charities and see where I could lend my talents. 5. My favorite would be to start horseback riding and maybe learn to drive a carriage. 6. I would be demure and not a showoff. 7. I would regularly attend church services. 8. I would listen to the BRF couriers's advice and learn fro the senior royals such as Princess Anne and Countess of Wessex.
LavenderToast said…
Ps. It doesn't appear if Meghan has done anything to fit in with the BRF,
SwampWoman said…
Tatty says: I agree MM’s style leaves a lot to be desired. My understanding about the panty hose is that the company doesn’t make her shade. At any rate, I detest panty hose and hope they never come back in style. I have eczema though and panty hose always irritated my skin.

Have you actually LOOKED at her legs before repeating that argument? There are a lot of shades in pale-legged panty hose.

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JL said…
@Tatty
It had seemed obvious for some time to me that Harry was into women of color.
How wonderful, I thought, that times have changed and that doesn’t matter anymore.
Then who she is emerged.
This is a matter of character.
I think ignoring her character because she is biracial is also a problem.

Anyway look at lovely Princess Angela of Liechtenstein. (PS Meghan stole her wedding dress design.) An American
-Panamanian, she has behaved perfectly in accordance with royal protocol.
If she was a member of the UK Royal Family, I’d say she qualifies as an English Rose.
Similarly Autumn Philips has conducted herself very well upon her marriage into the RF.

Why hasn’t Meghan been able to?
SwampWoman said…
CatEyes says:

Ps. It doesn't appear if Meghan has done anything to fit in with the BRF

When you think about it, there is a uniform of sorts for everybody at every level of society. As a construction worker, I fit in with my fellow construction workers in the work shirt, blue jeans, work boots, company baseball cap and tool belt with tools. When I went to trade association meetings as the business owner, it could be business casual with khaki pants and polo shirt and nice shoes. The people at the board meetings of agricultural enterprises dress differently than the people on the boards of historical society meetings who dress differently than the board members of various artistic pursuits. (I should know, I've been on all of the above.) Then location needs to be factored in: People in places like Arizona or Florida are more accepting of people in resort wear/business casual at meetings than the folks in New York City would be. When I lived in Texas, a white shirt, white cowboy hat and blue jeans were acceptable anywhere.

As a person in an industry in California where appearance is EVERYTHING, she should certainly know how to dress well. Her appearance is inexplicable to me. I do not know if she is on drugs or mentally unstable, but something is definitely off about her.

SwampWoman said…
Tatty said: Oh and someone ran to Yankee Wally on twitter and asked for back up for twitter people to come here and back up those who said they heard “get rid of Markle” so that pretty much shows what a weak assertation they had.

How interesting. I would not think that it showed anything other than they wanted to know if anybody else heard the same thing and could vouch for it. I do not know of any autists that would make an inference like that.
Jenx said…
@cateyes. And touring the land to hear the stories of the people and places in all the villages in towns. MM squandered such an incredible opportunity to better herself and perhaps truly be what she is so desperately pretending to be. Such a colossal shame.
I, too, was one of the millions who watched the wedding from start to finish full of hope and promise. But now my heart is shattered into a millions pieces patiently awaiting her comeuppance and downfall.
Himmy said…
HMQ should cut public funding for H&M. Let them have the privacy they wanted. There won’t be so much outrage if they are not on public dole.

I personally think H&M are very shallow and dull. There won’t be so much public interest if they are on their own. MM is getting old and unattractive. PH is balding and moody. Nobody would give them a second look if they are not part of RF.

Time to cut them loose and give everyone a break.
LavenderToast said…
Whoever said "It seemed obvious to me for some time that Harry was into women of color".

I thought all his adult life he dated blondes (before Markle). What women of color are you referring to?
lizzie said…
Apparently in the documentary Harry will say camera flashes remind him of Diana's death. Good grief.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/10/17/duke-sussex-says-camera-clicks-flashes-remind-princess-dianas/
KitKatKisses said…
@Hikari, thank you for your reply. I agree with every word of it and have been on board with that line of thinking for some time now. But Harry could have broken her hold on him hundreds of different times. At the Well Child speech, he could have just stopped and said "Ladies and Gentlemen, it is time for the truth...". He is part of one of the world's most powerful families; he would be protected. He could have gone from zero to hero in about 2 seconds. And frankly, if the RF has let Rachel in to protect someone (Andrew) Harry?) from Epstein fallout, frankly that was a dumb decision because the damage she is causing is endless and pedos don't deserve protection.

@Tatty, your accusations that people don't like her because she is ethnic and not an English Rose...so what about the black women who don't like her? Are they racist against her white side? Also what do you make of the fact that Markle self-identified as Caucasian for her entire professional life, was in a white sorority, had all white friends, married three white men, etc. It wasn't until she had the chance to be The Duchess of Wokness that she started claiming her black half.

Having more melanin in your skin tone doesn't make you immune from criticism. Equality means you get treated the same as everyone else, with the same expectations for behavior. Equality means no special treatment.
KitKatKisses said…
@Lizzie, re: Harry saying he has PTSD from camera flashe.

He needs help. Professional help. I am angry that he is not receiving the treatment he needs. It is cruel to allow him to continue this way.

Maybe he should move to Malibu. Seriously.
Jenx said…
Did PH really say that about the flashes or is this the never ending supply of SS drivel and PH is collateral damage? Keeping him addled and compliant...god only knows. But I hesitate to diagnose.
KitKatKisses said…
This South Africa doc is Harry's Panorama interview. He won't come back from this.
Glow W said…
Yes, I think some (few?) people are racists. Certainly not all. I think some (few?) are disappointed she is American and divorced.

Someone asked why Archie was shown more in South Africa. Did you ask why the Queen made her pledge (age 21?) to the commonwealth while in South Africa? Harry has spoken of Africa as his second home and it is part of the commonwealth. Perhaps that was enough for him.
Hikari said…
Roses come in all shades, and there are so many other gorgeous exotic flowers which bloom in the UK and the Commonwealth. There are even roses so black they are blue. Harry was always the Royal most Likely to choose an unconventional bride. He certainly has done that. But Meg's skin color isn't what makes her a completely unsuitable addition to the Royal family. She has not displayed any interest in, or sense of herself as part of this venerable Firm she has joined. She is entirely concerned with promoting her own brand, not the BRF brand. Philosophically they are at loggerheads.

It is deeply unfortunate that she is an American, because it's hard for British onlookers to distinguish how much of Meg's brashness, lack of couth, DGAF attitude, slovenliness and blatant disrespect for the Queen and the traditions of the Royal family can or should be chalked up to her nationality and how much of it is 100% Meg. Americans had a fundamental schism with British values way back and formed our own nation through a bloody conflict. But after the dust settled and the dead were buried, England and her runaway Colonies realized that we need one another. We have rebuilt trust and trade into our Special Relationship which is now threatened by two narcissists--one in the Oval Office and one ostensibly in Frogmore Cottage. Even though the majority of American women are NOT in Meg's corner and are appalled by her behavior, it's totally understandable that Britons would take away an unfavorable impression about all American women and how they behave based on the antics of the faux Duchess of Sussex.

And this after the whole Duchess of Windsor affair. I really can't blame the Britons for viewing all American women as vulgar slags and hos considering the 'role models' which appear on our TV and now as a part of their own Royal family.

Harry should not have married *any* American woman, but looked within his own nation and the Commonwealth for his bride. If he wanted a woman of color, there are many lovely exotic flowers in his own garden from which to choose. Regardless of her skin color, what mattered was her character, her dignity, her belief in the monarchy and her willingness to support it with humility and her whole heart. The role called, at minimum, for a British citizen or a lady from the Commonwealth with ties to and affection for, the monarchy. Just like James Bond should always be British, no matter if he's white or brown, the role of a Duchess of the United Kingdom and wife calls for a British citizen, and not an anti monarchist.

Harry chose very poorly . . or had the choice made for him. This Harkle Transatlantic experiment has been an epic disaster and it ain't over yet. The family will rue this marriage for a very long time to come, unless she is discredited and removed fairly quickly. Even so, I can't imagine how Harry will even begin to rebuild his reputation or his relationship with his family.
JL said…
The assinity of inundating us with images and video of the trip to South Africa only to follow it with a documentary just a few weeks later? So foolish. They should ask for a refund from SS.
KitKatKisses said…
@Hikari, may I ask that you please leave President Trump out of your comments? This is not a political blog. Thanks.
Tamhsn said…
Who barfed just after reading the headline? "Me"! Cringefest!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7585221/Prince-Harry-gives-searingly-open-interview-festering-wound-death-left-life.html
Mimi said…
Swamp woman, you there? pass me the pineapple rum!
Unknown said…
@KitKatKisses..Thank you. To demean my president is unnecessary and offensive.
Sandie said…
'Someone asked why Archie was shown more in South Africa. Did you ask why the Queen made her pledge (age 21?) to the commonwealth while in South Africa? Harry has spoken of Africa as his second home and it is part of the commonwealth. Perhaps that was enough for him.'

Africa is a continent; South Africa is the southern-most country in Africa. Us Africans get really annoyed when foreigners (especially Westerners) make this mistake.
1. If Harry speaks of Africa as his second home, he is a fool. It is a BIG continent with many regions and countries within those regions, most of which he has not visited. Egypt and Lesotho are both countries in Africa, but are very different.
2. To not sound like an ignorant bigoted Westerner, you should have written South Africa, not 'it' in the third sentence.

Nope, showing Archie in South Africa on a visit to Tutu was PR. South Africa had nothing to do with the decision; Tutu had everything to do with the decision to display the child.

Nope, the Queen did not 'choose' to make an iconic speech in South Africa. She happened to be there (while on a long tour with her family) on her 21st birthday.
Girl with a Hat said…
Now that someone yelled "Get rid of Markle" at HM, I wonder how the Men in Grey will react. They know the situation has become critical. Also, they think that she will try to fake another pregnancy. Will she move up her plans for another fake pregnancy to try to stop them by playing on the public's sympathy?
punkinseed said…
Reading the headline about Harry's trauma over camera flashes and clicks... Ok...
I haven't read the article in DM yet, but, whenever I hear a door slam with a very loud BANG it makes me jump and flashback to the time I was in jail in the mid 80's for 40 days. Anyone who has been locked up for so much as a week has the same flashback. The difference is however, is that Harry is riding that experience to help define himself and use it to gain sympathy. I don't let a loud bang define me. Harry needs to quit the pity party and get some real help.
Glow W said…
It isn’t up to me to clarify which country he means when Harry says Africa is his home.
Glow W said…
Yes, the Queen clearly chose to make the speech on her 21st birthday while in South Africa.
Glow W said…
“I have often talked about Africa as my second home, and I’ve often been asked why I love it so much. Well, over these last nine days I have been trying to put my feelings and experiences into words, which is not easy.”

“I wanted to try and answer a more specific question for myself — what is the essence of Africa? Why is it that so many visitors feel Africa gets under our skin and into our soul?,” he pondered.”


“Prince Harry shared some of his own personal experience with the crowd, noting: “Ever since I came to this continent as a young boy, trying to cope with something I can never possibly describe, Africa has held me in an embrace that I will never forget, and I feel incredibly fortunate for that.”

“And every time I come here, I know that I’m not alone. I always feel — wherever I am on this continent — that the community around me provides a life that is enriching, and is rooted in the simplest things — connection, connections with others, and the natural environment,” he noted.

Prince Harry also is taking the experience with him as a parent to Archie, noting, “And as I raise my own son, I want to make sure that what I’ve learned here — the value of the natural world, the value of community and friendship — is something that I can pass on to him.”

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/prince-harry-explains-africa-is-my-second-home-for-this-touching-reason.html/
Glow W said…
“In 1947, the King, the Queen and the two princesses undertook a tour of Southern Africa, and my great-grandfather was sent by the Times to report on it. The King and his heir presumptive realised, rather late in the day, that something ought to be done about her 21st birthday – and it was decided that she would make a broadcast speech to the Commonwealth. But who was to write it? That “chap on the Times” was there. So the task fell to him.

And, it seems, he rose to the challenge. In his gracious a letter of thanks, Sir Tommy Lascelles (known as a rather crusty old todger) wrote: “I have been reading drafts for many years now. But I cannot recall one that has so completely satisfied me and left me feeling that not one single should be altered. Moreover, dusty cynic that I am, it moved me greatly. It has the trumpeting ring of the other Elizabeth Tilbury’s speech, combined with the immortal simplicity of Queen Victoria’s ‘I will be good’”.

https://www.thearticle.com/how-my-great-grandfather-came-to-write-the-defining-speech-of-queen-elizabeths-reign

The queen didn’t even write the speech
Jenx said…
Rum! Where is that rum?
Mimi said…
Jenx, I couldn’t wait for Swamp Woman, so I’m good! 🥴
LavenderToast said…
To paraphrase several writers that...Harry "was always into women of color". While English roses come in "all different colors". Yet exotic blooms of black they almost appear blue. Finally, he was destined "to marry an unconventional woman".

Oh how I think it would have been so wonderful for Harry to have met a poor black African woman with exotic looks to marry and make a real Disney Princess story come true for him and they could emigrate to Nigeria, Kenya, Malawi, wherever and do good works there where he feels so at home.

Instead, he grabs hold of the exact opposite of that and lives the high life and whines about it. He wouldn't even let his son be exposed to the nice Mom's group that met with his 'Caucasian'WOC' (depending on year/purpose) wife. What hypocrites on so many levels.

Here in the US we have a saying "Wait till the chickens come home to roost". He may eventually wish he had found a nice lady from Africa, a genuinely decent, loving, loyal, helpmate to live an honest, productive, honorable life filled with good deeds his Mummy would be proud of if she were alive.

As for him being upset about flashbulbs causing him distress, it would be understandable if he had PTSD from something happening to him but it was Diana's trauma and he doesn't have firsthand observations so he is making this up in his mind. He needs serious help. I have gone thru 4 totaled car wrecks, a shipwreck in the ocean, rapes, a doctor on drugs who almost killed me on the operating table, an assault that was close to an attempted murder and I don;t have any PSTD and I hardly talked but a few times about one of those incidents to a psychologist. I don't think I am particularly strong but I think Harry needs professional help if he is truly suffering as he exclaims.
Ann Christensen said…
Regarding the seemingly endless back and forth, one comment. I am American. I do not believe the British people are so very unsophisticated as to believe that all American women are slags. The language and assertions are deteriorating to street fight level. I am watching to see nutty's sane correction here. I'll be disappointed if she does not address this lame turn of commentary/ conversation. Regardless of being employed and busy, she must certainly be observing the downward dog direction this blog is trending towards...
Girl with a Hat said…
@Ann, you seem to be very resilient. I've gone through quite a few traumatic incidents and they have left their mark, but I don't think I am suffering from PTSD. Everyone is different, of course. But if he feels so exposed and vulnerable, he needs help because going through life like that isn't good for your health.
lizzie said…
In early spring 2017 Harry revealed he'd gotten counseling at age 28 to deal with buried feelings about Diana's death. He said he sought help because he felt “on the verge of punching someone” and faced anxiety during royal engagements. He didn't mention camera flashes as triggers then.

At the time of the 2017 interview he said he felt he was in a good place. But if he reacts to every camera flash and seems to claim he has for years, obviously he needed more therapy than he got. (I do realize new issues can crop up.)

Still, I wonder why he seeks out cameras at times? His wedding didn't have to be the public production it was including the carriage ride, he doesn't have to speak at Google climate events, he didn't have to attend the Lion King premiere....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/16/prince-harry-sought-counselling-death-mother-led-two-years-total/
SwampWoman said…
Jenx, Mimi, the rum is on the table next to the hot tub. You probably overlooked it because it is in the barrel.

Mimi said…
Swamp Woman, You might want to roll in that other barrel. It’s been THAT kind of day! After you Jenx! 😅
punkinseed said…
I wonder when Harry joined SoHo House and who sponsored him. Does anyone know?
I also wonder who else, aside from Prince Andrew and Sarah, in the royal family are members.
Mimi said…
punkinseed. That’s a good question. Wonder if they have one in SOUTH AFRICA!
punkinseed said…
Mimi, They do. One is in Capetown.
Ann Christensen said…
We Americans could just as easily think royal males are dumb, based on their taste in American women....sigh. We don't. Oversimplification is not always clever.
SwampWoman said…
Ann, I haven't noticed any of the illustrious UK ladies slagging (in the UK idiom) MM. I believe that was all us Americans.
Lurking said…
DM article: 'Every time I see a camera, every time I hear a click, it reminds me of my mother': Prince Harry gives searingly open interview about the 'festering wound' her death left in his life

What he said just doesn't ring true. If every time sees or hears the click of a camera, he's reminded of his mother, he needs professional help. For multiple reasons, first he wasn't there that night. Second, she died because her driver was drunk. Third, she would likely have survived if she was wearing a seatbelt. Forth, he goes no to marry someone who craves the spotlight. Fifth, he's served time in the military where there are a lot of things that go click and then flash.

The entire Africa being his second home thing just sounds like he's pandering. Did he spend years on end there, or a few weeks here and there? Before anyone gets bent out of shape, yes, I know South Africa is a country on the African continent. I've been to South Africa, lived on Madagascar. Has he mentioned a particular country?

lizzie said…
At one point Harry did say he had "flashbacks" from combat. But he also said something about flashbacks occurring if you "have a good imagination" and that's not quite right.
https://www.today.com/news/it-s-always-there-prince-harry-says-he-gets-flashbacks-t89586
punkinseed said…
Another in Johannesburg.
I know! Let's all join! Surely with our 6 degrees of separation going, we could find two members to let us!
Amelie said…
I've been a lurker, but after this glorious Cambs tour, we have this Harry crap now? Seriously Harry, you weren't in the car. Talk to Marishka Hargitay about what it's like being in a car crash wih your mum and she doesn't make it. Get some help please and leave the royaling to grownups like your brother.
Mimi said…
Is he trying to portray himself as a male version of Diana....the media is HOUNDING me the way they did my mother!!!!!!
punkinseed said…
Lurking, If I remember right, in an article about Chelsey Davy, his favorite African country is Botswana after Charles took him there awhile after Diana died. As far as I know, he's never spent an extended period of time there; maybe weeks here and there but certainly not a full year.
I also read that Botswana has always been his go to place to take his girl friends for quite awhile, so taking Megs was not like an exclusively meaningful choice to bring just her. He took most all of them there.
Lurking said…
@Mimi.... yes. I really think this is about framing themselves so that they can insinuate themselves into causes, cha-ching! He and she are trying to turn everything he's ever said and done into a cause. Teased for picking up trash... environmentalist ticked AND bulling ticked. Suffers from mental health issues... ticked. PTSD... ticked. Conservation in Africa.... ticked. Menstrual health... ticked!

@punkinseed...

Bwahahaha... he's the guy who gives every girlfriend the same gift, because the first one said she liked it. I'm sure Smeg thought it was special. Hahahahahah!
punkinseed said…
Amelie, well said. Harry needs a lot of therapy just based on what he's saying lately. Flash back flash bulbs every time? That's sad. Almost like a type of OCD.
he's probably wondering why everyone is so concerned about him because he honestly doesn't realize how bad off he is and has been for some time. He might talk the talk a bit, but he's obviously all hat and no cattle. Instead, he blames it on flashbulbs or his mom's passing, or the press, or those blue meanies bashing his wife and she's feeding that.
Soho House has a very firm anti slavery and human trafficking policy. It might be a good idea for them to investigate Megs as she's got Harry shackled for sure and the sickest part is he has been conned so much he doesn't know it.
punkinseed said…
Lurking, haaaa haaa. Good one!
Ann Christensen said…
Swampwoman: every culture has its "slags". Universal reality. Even puritans. Even Mormons. Is not confined to one nation only. Surely english lit bears me out here?
Jenx said…
You Americans have hit the jackpot. The tale of woe has been picked up by ABC, bought and paid for. You will be able to watch it prime time! Who volunteers to take one for the team and provide notes?
Glow W said…
The documentary? I’ll watch and report I’ll live blog it
Glow W said…
I’ll be on holiday so not sure I can

Tune into “Harry & Meghan: An African Journey," hosted by "Good Morning America" co-anchor Robin Roberts, on Wednesday, Oct. 23, at 10 p.m. ET, on the ABC Television Network.
abbyh said…

I am willing to watch it too (might be drinking some fun bubbles).

When is it on in the States?

abbyh said…

Great. thanks, I can even tape it (we cut the cord about a year ago) and replay it to check my notes and stuff.

And, it's a good night that I don't have anything which conflicts.
Jdubya said…
Hikari. ....why are you mentioning MM is from Compton? She's not. Serena is, not MM.
SwampWoman said…
Jenx says: You Americans have hit the jackpot. The tale of woe has been picked up by ABC, bought and paid for. You will be able to watch it prime time! Who volunteers to take one for the team and provide notes?

It will have to be somebody with a stronger constitution than I possess. I tend to avoid things that may give me projectile vomiting.
Mimi said…
I’d rather stick needles in my eyeballs than watch that!!!!!
punkinseed said…
One wonders what Megs has to hold over Harry's head to control him so well? Here's a wild guess that's quite possible: She has enough proof to get him Sectioned if he doesn't do her bidding? Is that possible in UK? For a wife to have her husband committed? Now, she's so effectively gaslighted him, he has been convinced that talking openly in interviews, etc., that if he steps out of line, she'll have him hospitalized.
Prince Charles recently met with the Pope. I wonder if he was there to ask one of the most powerful men outside of the elite cabal that the Clooneys, SoHo, Soros, Clintons, et al et ux et vir, which includes Megs, their minion, was for help in how to rid his family and the monarchy from such powerful entanglements and survive. Or perhaps, the very reason Charles has done nothing to thwart Harry and Megs from their new foundation that is outside of the scope of BP's rules, is because the monarchy is a forced passive supporter of the whole scheme. After all, if the privy purse doesn't have to fund the Sussexs because their foundation can foot all of their bills, then yay, more $ for Charles' schemes, the Cambridge family and so on. Ha ha. A win win? It would be nice if BP would use that savings and pay their staff a lot more $ too.
Lurking said…
Jdubya is correct. I believe her mother's house is in the Crenshaw district. When her parents were married, they owned a home in the San Fernando Valley. Crenshaw isn't horrible, certainly not on the level of Compton.
SwampWoman said…
abbyh says: Great. thanks, I can even tape it (we cut the cord about a year ago) and replay it to check my notes and stuff.

I think we may have been ahead of the curve on the cord cutting maybe 15 years ago when we got so very tired of having so many channels and every one of them insulting our intelligence with their programming. I can't say that I've missed it at all. I'd rather watch real people carve wood or knit shawls or grow tomatoes on YouTube (and other internet channels). I watch Indian ladies doing beautiful embroidery work. I watch Vietnamese workers make beautiful Bonsai pots. The world is my classroom.

MaLissa said…
SwampWoman said... I think we may have been ahead of the curve on the cord cutting maybe 15 years ago when we got so very tired of having so many channels and every one of them insulting our intelligence with their programming.

We did that 5 years ago but sadly, my husband and I had to sell our condo and move in with my MIL, quit my job and be a full time care giver (a 3 bedroom house - she's not allowed to live alone anymore and she couldn't afford to move into an assisted living facility). So we're back to having cable TV which is expensive. I won't be watching it because I need to clean the kitchen that night - you know, stove, oven, sinks, floors, rearrange the cabinets, etc., ad infinitum. It'll be more productive than watching that shit show.
Fahlina Speaks said…
@Louise : The connection between Markle and Trudeau is through Sophie who is a member of SoHo House and is styled by Jessica Mulroney. There are pictures of the 3 of them at a SoHo House Toronto party taking pictures in a photo booth. So they have had contact before. The Mulroney's and Trudeau's are both sons of Prime Ministers and are friends.

Here she is with JT: https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/actor-meghan-markle-shares-instagram-photo-with-canada-s-pm-1.3167105

http://frankmag.ca/2016/03/all-thumbs-parvenu-jessica-mulroney/
SwampWoman said…
MaLissa said: We did that 5 years ago but sadly, my husband and I had to sell our condo and move in with my MIL, quit my job and be a full time care giver (a 3 bedroom house - she's not allowed to live alone anymore and she couldn't afford to move into an assisted living facility). So we're back to having cable TV which is expensive. I won't be watching it because I need to clean the kitchen that night - you know, stove, oven, sinks, floors, rearrange the cabinets, etc., ad infinitum. It'll be more productive than watching that shit show.

I understand, really I do! I've done the caregiver thing with my mother in her struggle with cancer. Husband had quite a few medical problems during this time as well when he was bedridden. Try not to be Wonder Woman and carry everybody's burden. Make caring for yourself a priority (but you probably will not, like I did not). My in laws are in wheelchairs and living in their own home out in the middle of nowhere. Assisted living facilities are between $3,000 and $4,000 per month. Husband is retiring at the end of the year to try to take care of them while I work toward replenishing my retirement account to retire about 10 years later than I had planned.
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Miggy said…
Although I'm convinced that Sunday's documentary will be nothing more than a 'pity party' for the pair of them and will no doubt be incredibly vomit inducing, (i'll have a bucket at the ready) the main reason I intend to watch it, is because I'm curious to know if there will be any mention of Thomas.
JLC said…
@Miggy

Anyone able to sit through the documentary should receive some sort of special award.

It isn't a bad thing to admit defeat, so I shall do just that and say I would rather eat my own head. I will sift through the various comments on blogs and twitter the next day.
LunaP said…
A quick comment on incorporating a 501c3 charitable organisation in the USA. I had to help set one up a few years back when working with Congessional representatives running a political initiative. One specifically insisted one had to be set up as that was the only way they could accept flights and paid for events without declaring it. So my experience of these entities it is that they are largely set up for a cause that may be good, but function to hide remunerations for involved parties, in particular political representatives for whom this is their only exemption for declaring remunerations.
Here's some tea!
Take a look at Youtube, the UK State Opening of Paliament 2019, I think it's the Telegraph newspaper coverage so maybe google their name & you'll find it - around 46.30 into filming - just as the Queen & Prince Charles enter the chamber - a wpman can be heard shouting "Get rid of Markle"!! Camilla can be seen on the right hand side of the screen, laughing! I've not seen this reported in the media AT ALL!! Other's in the Comments section on Youtube hesrd it too though so it's out there lol.
Liver Bird said…
I must say that even an old cynic like me had 'something in her eye' when looking at those pictures of William and Kate having their 'tea party' with that little girl yesterday. And I'll bet I'm not the only one. Those are pictures which will be looked at years if not decades from now.

What a contrast with Will's whiny younger brother. He needs to retire from public life, and quickly.
Louise said…
Liver Bird: Those tea party photos are gold, especially the one of William holding the tiny pink teacup in such a respectful and realistic manner.

To see a tall alpha male interacting with this little girl on her level was so touching. Let's hope that she survives and is able show this photo to her own children.
Liver Bird said…
And just notice how they are looking at each other in the photos. It's sincere and engaged. There's one pic where William is staring at her with a very serious expression.... as though he were wondering how he would feel if that were his child. Or maybe I'm reading too much into this!

The girl's father said 'I call her my princess and now she's going to meet a real princess.' And that's what she got. A REAL princess dressing and behaving the way people expect a princess to behave. Not slumming it in sloppy clothes and mouthing inanities about herself. The contrast simply could not be starker. The Cambridge tour has been pure perfection. The Sussexes, by contrast, have used Africa and its people as a backdrop for their pity party. They are a disgrace and it's not even funny anymore.
SwampWoman said…
@Miggy Although I'm convinced that Sunday's documentary will be nothing more than a 'pity party' for the pair of them and will no doubt be incredibly vomit inducing, (i'll have a bucket at the ready) the main reason I intend to watch it, is because I'm curious to know if there will be any mention of Thomas.

Miggy, you have a stronger constitution than I. Do report your conclusions and impressions, please. Periodically snorting wine through the nose while watching is probably bad for the sinuses so take care.
Liver Bird said…
Leaving behind the joy of the Cambridge tour - as described by the British consul - to return to the sheer cynicism of the Sussex pair. It's so obvious that this is part of the SS grand plan - the 'rewears' in Africa, the letter accompanyingthe law suit,Harry telling a child - a child - how he, a Prince, finds it hard to get out of bed in the morning - and now all the 'teasers' from the 'documentary'. The Harkles are victims, people! Don't you get it?

Never mind that Harry never seemed to much mind the press before - in fact William was seen as 'prince petulant' with a hatred for the media. In fact, he was happy enough to ham it up for them, happy to have a televised wedding complete with carriage ride, happy to do an interview when Archie was born (the first royal ever to do so I beleive) and so on and so forth. Not to mention marrying a woman for whom publicity is like oxygen! I can't beleive anyone is actually daft enough to buy into any of this. The country is going through a period of turmoil and uncertainty, yet people are supposed to feel sorry for one of the most privileged couples on earth?
Royal Fan said…
My take on Harry and Meg is this: it’s a sex S&M thing and she’s the dominant and he’s the submissive. I don’t think there’s any more black mail then then the typical pillow talk going on here. Is SoHo an S&M club secretly? It’s clearly something like this! Something sexual and addictive to PH.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Thank you people. I immensely enjoyed reading your comments. Re racism towards MM. I thought she was white until press courteously informed us about her mother. I recently done the DNA test which to my astonishment informed me that not only I have Ashkenazim Jew blood, I am a Masai as well! One of my ancestors must have had one heck of a love life. Should I start complaining about people being racists every time I am criticized for stupid behavior?
AnnaK said…
Unbelievable!! MM just given a tearful interview the very day Catherine gives her first interview ever!
Louise said…
I see that DM has a story about how Smarkle will complain in the documentary that she gets no sympathy for her difficult life. Comments are pre moderated, of course. Otherwise, it would be a shit show of negative comments.

Look, I understand that the criticism and mocking must be difficult. But she brought it on herself with that pregnancy announcement at Eugenie's wedding, belly cupping, haute couture wardrobe to visit Smart Works and a pet sanctuary, Wimbledon, fake friends in People Magazine, secret godparents and especially the constant ME, ME, ME, look at ME, admire ME, love ME.

And whenever she was criticized, she just doubled down.
Liver Bird said…
But I thought we were told that Meghan never reads stuff about herself? Or has that line changed?

I'm surprised at how cross I am about all this! Like I said above, it's not even funny anymore - well, OK sometimes it is! But trying to overshadow the Cambridge's hugely succesful tour? And for no good reason other than to whine about how 'hard' your astonishingly privileged life is? These two are just appalling.

Whatever happened to 'Never complain, never explain'?

Girl with a Hat said…
the Guardian has a story about the legal suit that Meghan is pursuing against the Mail on Sunday. The highlights are :

- she kept a copy of the letter she sent her father. who does that? when you send a letter to someone very close, do you keep a copy of what you wrote?
- she says that certain sections were omitted from the letter which portray her in a favourable light, like how she enumerates the good things her father has done for her.

I don't think she has much of a leg to stand on, because the MOS ran the story past their legal team before they published. There can be two letters however. One she sent her father, and one she kept as a copy which wasn't the same as the one she supposedly sent her father.
Louise said…

Never complain, never explain was the "old" monarchy. Meghan arrived to "hit the ground running" in order to "modernize" the Monarchy, where the motto is "We will do whatever the hell we want and you dare not criticize us"

This documentary makes no sense, given that the couple was receiving mostly good reviews during the Africa trip. Why complain when things are going well for you?
Liver Bird said…
Yes - without seeing the original letter, how do we know that the 'copy' Meghan retained is actually a copy? I doubt that would stand up in court unless they somehow got hold of the original copy from Thomas Markle.
LavenderToast said…
I just want to thank Nutty for this wonderful blog and the contributors who add so much 'flavor' with their pithy comments. I am addicted to reading this blog several times a day. Maybe there is a support group for this addiction...nah! I want to stay in this high, and bring on the wine!
@Louise, ‘I see that DM has a story about how Smarkle will complain in the documentary that she gets no sympathy for her difficult life. Comments are pre moderated, of course. Otherwise, it would be a shit show of negative comments.’

They aren’t moderated now, and there’s almost 2k comments. I don’t think I found one single positive comment from the ones I saw.
Liver Bird said…
Also... when she says 'noone asked me how i was' she's basically slagging off the royal family, isn't she? Who else could she be talking about? No wonder she had to go to tacky ITV for this shyte. The BBC wouldn't never have touched it,

I really do not know how they - or at least she - can be taken seriously as royals after this. What are they contributing to the monarchy or the country? They seem to forget that they are public servants. The public is not there to pander to them or fret over their largely self-inflicted 'problems'. Especially at a time of national turmoil. This is a massive strategic error. How can anyone look forward to Meghan visiting an old folk's home or disadvantaged youths' centre when all she can do is whine about how tough it is being a duchess?
Fairy Crocodile said…
Don't know about you but I feel sorry for the people of Africa who do a really good work with charities and wildlife preservation. This trip should have been a tribute to them. Instead we have a river of self-pity tears from Harry and his wife. Sorry, she should have learned from her obsession with Diana that being a royal means being under a microscope all the time. Or she simply doesn't have enough brains to figure this out.
Louise said…
Liver Bird: This is the type of interview that would have garnered sympathy for Diana. Harry and Meghan are really completely out of touch if they think that the British public feels the same way about them as they felt for Diana.

They really are drinking their own Kool Aid.
Shazzam said…
The BRF need to step in now before the entire nation and Commonwealth loses all respect for them. Harry and Rach need to be told, "get out of the castle and don't let the drawbridge hit you in the buttpads on the way out".
PaisleyGirl said…
Fairy Crocodile, I have wondered about this as well. What did Meghan think she was signing up for? Did she not realise that there would be a lot of not very glamorous visits to old people's homes and charities involved? Did she not realise she would be a public servant and that would be her job from her marriage onwards? Did she not realise she would be in the public eye constantly, even when it was not convenient? Or was it a matter of Meghan craving the spotlight but not understanding fully the criticism that would inevitably come with it? For someone who apparently studied Diana's life extensively, she sure missed the crucial elements of empathy,kindness and public service.
SwampWoman said…
Shazzam, I got a horrible mental picture of drawbridges and buttpads, LOL! I may have to whine to the press about my PTSD.
Jen said…
If the duo is looking for sympathy, they're not going to get it from about 95% of the people who actually know who they are. I find it laughable that ABC picked this up, since ABC's news group is receiving some heavy backlash for their own failures this week.

RMM knew what she was getting when she married a high profile public figure. She THOUGHT she would be revered and loved, but just doesn't understand why people are being so mean to her! Has she SEEN what she's done over the last year? My GOD, to say that no one asked if "SHE" was ok....why would any one care to ask? I understand that it's the polite thing to do, but it's also polite not to ask if you truly do not care for the answer. She has made it abundantly clear that she doesn't care about the UK or her people, so why would they ask? She alienated most of the RF with her antics, so why would THEY ask? In America, we have other more important things to discuss....like, um...anything. So, yeah... :)

I find it hard to have any sympathy for her or Harry. For a long time, I too tried to find reasons for Harry's actions, and I simply cannot fathom why he would turn on his family the way he has. It's very disappointing and I firmly believe his mother would highly disapprove of his actions as it also hurts his brother.

Finally, I've read through all nearly 600 comments and am so disappointed with the direction this blog has taken with some posters. I have thoroughly enjoyed this blog (THANKS NUTTY) and don't care for the constant back and forth, or the snark. I've been a victim of it myself for merely having an opinion or misunderstanding a comment. I may join SwampWoman and others for the wine or even something stronger, if this continues.....or even if it doesn't. :)
Lurking said…
Smeg wanted to modernize the monarchy. Did she bother to ask them what they wanted? Anyone have any ideas of what she meant by modernize?
Louise said…
Jen: I think the problem is that Smarkle really did think that the people of the UK would admire her efforts to change the Royal Family, because Smarkle clearly never understood the role of the RF. And as I said earlier, instead of changing course, she just doubled down.

And frankly, I don't believe that people did not ask how she was doing in the early days. But since she was resistant to advice, they just backed off.
punkinseed said…
Megs in DM wahhhh wahhh boo hoooo cuz nobody asks meeeee if I'm ok.
I agree with another poster who said this upcoming victim binge documentary is going to be their Panorama interview.
The UK commenters are furious that she has the gall to play the poor me cards after stalking and bagging Harry for months. She wanted all of this scrutiny, craves it in fact. She isn't the type to ever be overwhelmed by anything. What's she going to do now? Claim "stalker's remorse" because the only people who support or like her are bought off humans like JM, or paid for bots.
Louise said…
Lurking: I think that she might have said "monetize", rather than modernize, but we mis-heard because we didn't want to believe it.
abbyh said…

I'm still on for watching but sometimes the phrase: This is a job for alcohol. (chard and fun bubbles - will be stocking up on the grocery run today). I will try to keep from snorting it but sometimes reality bites.

When I found Philo which allows me to tape some of the cable shows I was loth to give up, I could finally cut the cord. No sports and about $16 a month.

I think the pity party documentary will be a big blow up in their faces. It will contrast (only lacking loud security alarms sounding) the differences between the two trips of the brothers. Pitch perfect versus anything but.

The I made a copy of my letter defense. Hmmm, isn't that interesting to claim that it would be unfair for only favorable parts to be omitted and only unfavorable parts printed. To prove her case, (damages for being good?) the whole letter would need to be submitted. Is it the same letter or not and so on.

She may or may not win the legal battle but people will remember that she does not tolerate criticism and this may lead to more mistakes as no one can advise her (as they would know better than she how to behave).

Sigh. I remember that HM finally had enough and thought it best for all to for them to divorce. Perhaps she will need to make a similar hard decision. Perhaps the cogs have already started (cutting off money) and this puff movie (doesn't sound like it meets my internal definition of real documentary) is their last attempt to draw public opinion to rally behind them?

Sandie said…
I think what comes across clearly if one compares the two tours and the interviews is that Meghan will never be able to effectively play a role in and positively contribute to the monarchy. She just does not have what it takes and is unable to learn. That her grabbing the royal titles and privileges and platform by joining the family is ending in such a mess that seems to be destroying Harry is very sad, but, the BRF should have done more to try to talk sense into the two before they rushed headlong into marriage and royal roles as a couple. There was plenty evidence of Meghan's character while they were still dating (not that we should judge her as bad, but bad for Harry and for being a representative of the monarchy and the UK). However, we all try to overlook the obvious and see the best and most positive in those we love, so it is understandable that Meghan was welcomed and given unprecedented privileges and honours in the hope that it would all be ok.

I do think that an intense intimate relationship does bring underlying problems to the fore and that this is what is happening to Harry. He has lost the stabilising influences and wise guidance he used to have from family and well-chosen courtiers and is now in free fall. Meghan is not the sort of person who can help him recover from this breakdown he is having because she is the catalyst and enabler.
KitKatKisses said…
The Cambridges: "we are happy people"...and it shows.

The Harkles: "we are so unhappy, poor us..."

Harry and Megs have no where left to go with this.

Liver Bird said…
Just watched the interview... suffice to say I can see why she never made it as an actress. And what the hell sort of an 'interview' is that? You'd swear he was interviewing the survivors of a terrorist attack or something, rather than one of the pampered women on earth.

And yes Iknow material privilige doesnt' mean you can't suffer in other ways but... what exactly is her problem? Weren't we told only a few weeks ago that she doesn't read her press? I notice that she is extremely vague on the details of all these horrors she is facing and of course the sycophantic interviwer doesn't press her. Like I said, I don't know how anyone can take her seriously next time (when is the next time come to think of it? I've not seen any upcoming events for her) she goes to some charity for underprivileged people and pretends to care about them.

If the Panorama interview was the last straw for the queen regarding Diana, what effect will this absurdity have? Will the Sussex freak show be allowed to rumble on without consequence? Sadly I fear it will.
CookieShark said…
Re: MM's "no one has asked if I am OK" interview...

oh MEGHAN. This is so her pattern. When she started dating Harry, she was being pursued by the media and he had to release a statement telling the press to back off. When has she ever been thankful or gracious for her tremendous good fortune?

You know who I might think to ask if they were OK?
- A working mom whose husband has cancer
- A military mom who is raising 2 small children by herself while her husband is deployed
- A single mom who has to choose weekly between her medicine, utilities and food

or ANYONE else who hasn't demanded privacy when people showed interest in her family. Maybe the lawsuit scared some folks off?
The Cat's Meow said…
@KitKatKisses: Bingo. The crux of the matter.
luxem said…
I think it is particularly appalling that Megs made this statement while on tour in SA. She went to a memorial of a young woman who was viciously attacked while trying to mail a package and she sat with moms who have HIV and are trying to raise children. It is clear this documentary (and the trip itself) was never about highlighting SA and all about highlighting the Markles. Why would SA or any African country ever want to host any Royals again after being treated like extras in a cringe-worthy movie?
Liver Bird said…
Also re the 'noone has asked me if I'm OK' whine fest... what happened to all of her celeb 'friends'? Shouldn't they be asking after their bestest budddy in the whole wide world?
This is worse than reality TV. I'm also a little surprised that more titbits from the Doc drama arnt out yet, I'm guessing they were strictly told not to pull any shenanigans while the Pak tour was on.

The interview does indeed seem extremely melodramatic, the expressions! Ufff! And she's trying to cry. I've seriously never seen such blatant display of a victim mentality ever before. This interview convinces me that Harry's hammy performance the other day was for this exact purpose. The rewears, the bad makeup, the bad clothes, every single thing they are being called out on/made fun of is to drive home the victim narrative. They want to be bullied so they can pretend to be rising above the drama.

Someone above has pointed out that BRF should have helped her out more, vetted her before agreeing to the marriage. I've been of the opinion that BRF too was blind sided. She seemed good on paper, she is a master networker so probably came with flowing references so to say, and while the pap shots were red flags to us and her acting creds not prise worthy, it wasn't something the BRF could have been bothereduch about. Someone can appear to be perfectly fine and charming IRL, so they probably bought her goody two shoes act. Not to say that the BRF too was probably very keen on the match since it would be a mater stroke I'm positive PR for Harry, to rebukid his and the firm's image. So they probably had their hopes pinned in her. Noone would have guessed two years back that this would be such a collosal mess, that she would actually be like this. Her character and her imfluence oh Harry has slowly been unvieled and unfortunately for BRF this gamble not only did not pay off, it made things so much worse for them.

One good thimg is this train wreck would become very very hard for the BRF to ignore post the documentary. They are directly accusing the media and public, calling them out for causing pain, ruining their newly wed married life, making the pregnancy difficult, so they are infact also accusing the BRF of not being a good support system. Which is definitely not a pleasant picture to paint.
Liver Bird said…
"Not to say that the BRF too was probably very keen on the match since it would be a mater stroke I'm positive PR for Harry, to rebukid his and the firm's image. So they probably had their hopes pinned in her."

I actually very much doubt that the royals were keen on Harry marrying Meghan, if for no other reason than that he - and they - barely knew her. They were married within less than 2 years of meeting one another, and given that they lived on seperate continents, spent no more than a few days at a time in one another's company. It was basically an extended holiday romance. Also there were rumours that Harry and Will's falling out started because William warned him not to marry her, at least not without getting to know her properly. And her family were obviously another ticking time bomb.

So I'd say that the royals felt they had no choice but to go along with it, and because Harry really isn't that important, they weren't that bothered. However, had they known just how big a disaster she'd turn out to be - and so quickly - I'm sure they'd have tried harder to dissuade him.
SwampWoman said…
Jen, my former DIL just told me that the brewery at the coast makes pepper vodka for the best Bloody Mary ever. If you need me to make a liquor run, just let me know. I think that the tomato juice (or V8) qualifies it as health food or at least that's my story. Of course, in the back of a garage fridge is an assortment in quart jars of various offerings from local moonshiners but, if you value your liver, you'll take that in moderation.

I think that something stronger may be necessary for some of the political discussions going on no matter where you are located or which side you support.

If the duo is looking for sympathy, they're not going to get it from about 95% of the people who actually know who they are. I find it laughable that ABC picked this up, since ABC's news group is receiving some heavy backlash for their own failures this week.


For those of you that do not know, ABC News used footage from Knob Creek Gun Range in Kentucky and said it was footage of Turkey invading the Kurds. Knob Creek Gun Range's Facebook page is marked safe from invasion from Turkey, BTW.

Emily said…
Just watched the clip of Meghan and her I'm nearly crying face. Add that to the clip of Harry and you have a documentary that's going to go the opposite of what they want. Are they so out of touch that their ego's think we are all going to feel sorry for them? The backlash to this fawning pity me documentary will be huge, and rightly so.
Jen said…
@SwampWoman....where is this brewery and how long is the drive from DC? Bloody Mary's are one of my favorites! It is definitely a health food, especially if you add the pickled asparagus as a garnish. :) I don't watch the news for the specific reason that the political discussions give me heartburn. I'm currently binge-watching Friends for the millionth time...since that's a much better alternative.

I still cannot believe she did that interview....and her acting was pathetic! I simply can't understand how she was on Suits for so long.

Mimi said…
Swamp Woman, Bloody Mary’s are the way to go for healthy drinking with Mimosas coming in right behind it. As for me, I am more the moonshine and pruno type gal but it’s hell on the kidneys. I am officially leaving now because honestly, I just can’t anymore. There isn’t enough alcohol in this world to entice me to continue with these two or the RF’s lack of action. Besides, this blog has taken a turn for the worse with certain individuals on here and have ruined it for me.
Mimi said…
I meant, nard on the kidneys.....
Mimi said…
arg.....hard on the kidneys.
Mimi said…
LIVER....I meant HARD ON THE LIVER!
If I were HMTQ, even after just watching this promo clip from the doc, I'd say: OK, little girl, let the Family help you. Give back the HRH and Sussex titles, give back the keys to FrogCott, and let's get you back to America where you and Harry will no doubt be happier. Which is all I want for my dear grandson. It's been real; peace out!

Seriously, though, as many commenters above have stated, I think this documentary will get the ball rolling for a definitive response from the Family, a response we will not really see immediately, but later as either a) a move to California/NY for these two; b) divorce. As much as Harry whines and carries on about privacy and the stressors of being a Royal, it's all he has ever known and there is NO WAY he'd be able to function outside of it. Meghan just hasn't figured it out yet. I'm convinced she is under the illusion Harry will choose her and he will follow her along with all the Royal benefits (money, title, etc.) But when it comes to sh*t vs shove, dear Harry is going to choose his Royal Family, albeit reluctantly and with anger.

This "whine-mentary" is the absolutely the beginning of the end. And I'm here for every second of it... pass the popcorn with extra butter and salt!
Liver Bird said…
"whine-mentary" - very good! I might have to steal that!

"As much as Harry whines and carries on about privacy and the stressors of being a Royal, it's all he has ever known and there is NO WAY he'd be able to function outside of it."

Oh, I agree completely. Harry, however, is both stupid and spoiled - a lethal combination - so I'm not sure if he's aware just how enormously privileged he is and how that is down to one thing and one thing only, the fact that he was born into the royal family. He seems to have come up with the worldview that the media - or at least the British media - is responsible for all his woes, and that once they are neutered, all will be sunny in the Sussex gardens. So I think he might be tempted to move to Los Angeles, thinking that that willl be his way to escape the evil British press and become the star he beleives he deserves to be. Little does that fool know that once his royal protection were gone, the media - and the American media would be at least as bad as the british - will se no reason to hold back and he'd wishing for the 'harassment' he has now. Then he'll come back to the fold, cap in hand, with Meghan starring in her own reality show back in LA.
Ava C said…
Re: the nearly crying face, the DM comments are so vitriolic they're smoking off the page (I still have an analogue mind). There's surely no way back from this.

Why is it taking so long to finally implode though? What did the UK ever do to deserve B****t (whichever side you're on) and H&M at the same time? Dragging on and on and on and it doesn't matter how angry you are, there's something even worse coming along tomorrow. I think all UK cities should be set up with gigantic padded rooms so we can throw ourselves around harmlessly. Or free sumo-wrestler suits so we can throw other people around harmlessly. Even better, custard-pie extravaganzas! We may as well enjoy ourselves while waiting for H&M to self-destruct.
@Liver Bird - please use "whine-mentary"! it just popped in my head.

you are indeed right with "he might be tempted to move to Los Angeles, thinking that that willl be his way to escape the evil British press and become the star he beleives he deserves to be".

Makes me think of that old saying, something to effect: "wherever you may go or how far you go, there you are". Can't out run your problems or issues; they always show up before you do.

So, sadly, I agree with your sentiment about Harry's lack of intelligence and his lifelong overindulgence. He probably really believes if he can go somewhere else all will be "sunny in Sussex gardens"!
Miggy said…
@SwampWoman

"Miggy, you have a stronger constitution than I. Do report your conclusions and impressions, please. Periodically snorting wine through the nose while watching is probably bad for the sinuses so take care."

Have no fear...

1) No wine will be supped for the duration of the doc as I don't want to choke!
2) I shall sit firmly on hands to restrain myself from chucking missiles at the screen!
3) All windows will be firmly closed so that neighbours don't hear me swearing!

Will try to take notes if I can stay calm enough. ;-)

@Unknown

"Anyone able to sit through the documentary should receive some sort of special award."

If I make it to then end, I'll reward myself with a double G&T! :)
@Alice, ‘Someone above has pointed out that BRF should have helped her out more, vetted her before agreeing to the marriage. I've been of the opinion that BRF too was blind sided. She seemed good on paper, she is a master networker so probably came with flowing references so to say, and while the pap shots were red flags to us and her acting creds not prise worthy, it wasn't something the BRF could have been bothereduch about.’

I highly doubt the royals thought Meghan looked good on paper or were blindsided . She was a B-list actress for heavens sake, and that was a non starter on its own. I’m sure Harry had them over a barrel, we only have to look at his behaviour to see how he can behave (in public), imagine him in private. The fallout of them not sanctioning the marriage would have made them look bad. They couldn’t say no because she was a divorcee either, not after allowing Prince Charles to marry his longtime mistress.

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