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Open Post: Cambridge tour to Pakistan, Archie's lack of attachment, and the Sussex Foundation's new hire

Here's a fresh post to discuss the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's ongoing tour of Pakistan, various theories about Archie's lack of attachment to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and the Sussex Foundation's latest hire - Kirsty Young, a former radio presenter who is married to Nick Jones, the founder of Soho House.

Please be kind to each other! As some of you have noted, I'm not a professional moderator; I'm a writer operating this nonprofit blog purely for fun. A lot of the time I would like to have spent writing I've spent deleting comments in which people are sniping at each other. That's not fun at all.

There are only two rules at this blog: you must be willing to seriously discuss this case, and you may not use vicious language about the Sussexes or about each other.

Also, you are more than welcome to discuss possible surrogate situations regarding Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

Thank you!

Comments

Artemisia19 said…
Kate’s wardrobe is stunning so far. Just gorgeous.
Tamhsn said…
Thank you for the new post Nutty. I cannot wait to read the comments about the tour which I feel going brilliantly! I believe I am one of your first reader and I love your blog! Specially how you maintain a civil environment here. And I love the recent technical changes..it was so hard to find the comment I last read earlier....Thank you!!!
Nutty Flavor said…
I agree, Artemisia. She looks fabulous, and appropriate to the occasion. William is also conducting himself very well.

I still don't understand precisely what they're doing in Pakistan, however. Can anyone enlighten me?
Glow W said…
RE: Archie not animated. We have hardly seen him. In the very short video of arch going to meet Archie, he is very animated and even coos.

Nutty Flavor said…
You're welcome, Tamshn! I am happy to have you here, and I really enjoy our dialogue when it is intelligent and civil.
Glow W said…
I also wondered why they are in Pakistan. Her clothes are perfect. I’d like to get a pair of the low heel tan shoes.
Nutty Flavor said…
William has been working with British intelligence recently, so perhaps he knows something we don't know.
Glow W said…
Website not completely up to date yet: https://whatkatewore.com

The shoes are 24.00 (pounds)
Glow W said…
This one has it: https://www.her.ie/style/kate-middletons-latest-shoes-are-from-new-look-and-theyre-a-complete-bargain-at-e30-485074
Liver Bird said…
"I still don't understand precisely what they're doing in Pakistan, however. Can anyone enlighten me?"

It's just a standard royal tour. Aim is to promote good relations between Britain and Pakistan, a Commonwealth country, and generally show both nations - and the monarchy - in a positive light. You can see the details on one of the various official royal sites, but it's only a brief tour - 5 days - probably because of the security situation.
Tamhsn said…
Re low heel tan shoes: they are brilliant! I have one pair similar to these..only in black. They are so comfy..you can wear it with casual outfits too..you look stylish and feel comfy!..win-win.
Glow W said…
Yes, they look very versatile and comfy and stylish.
marjorie said…
Congrats on being "first," Tricia! OOPS... meant Michi.
Nutty Flavor said…
Just a note to say that @emeraldcity had an informative comment on yesterday's Enty blind about the supposed Will and Kate affair - it had some thought-provoking insights about Charles and Camilla as well. The time code is 6:25 pm.


https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2019/10/todays-blind-items-leaker.html
Louise said…
Nutty: Unfortunately I don't recall where I read it, but there was some suggestion that the UK wanted to bolster relations with other trading partners in the event of Brexit.

This government web page reviews UK/Pakistan economic and trade relations.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exporting-to-pakistan/doing-business-in-pakistan-pakistan-trade-and-export-guide

There are also over one million people of Pakistani origin living in Britain. With some of the unsettling events in the UK over the past few years, perhaps this is a visit with the objective of maintaining peace in the UK.

Lastly, and it is only a guess, it is extremely difficult to be the PM of Pakistan what with the lawless regions in the west of the country,etc. Perhaps this was a personal appeal from PM Khan to the UK to help him maintain his popularity in that often unstable country.
Louise said…
I still can't believe how good William looks in his blue green sherwani.



https://www.townandcountrymag.com/style/fashion-trends/a29472741/kate-middleton-green-jenny-packham-dress-pakistan-photos/
Lurking said…
Smeg green with envy today? New article in Daily Mail about Smeg +1 being advised by Elton John. Straight to the comments... and they didn't disappoint. Has the pr budget been cut? Not as many downvotes on critical comments, fewer glowing comments.
Avery said…
I have to say, that Kate looks stunning on the tour. I haven't seen ONE photo where she's looking to 'find' the camera. She's engaged and elegant. Waiting her turn to be introduced to people after her husband shakes hands is so refreshing (it shouldn't feel REFRESHING to see protocol in action lol). Why Archie isn't attached? Obviously because whoever he is, he doesn't spend enough time with his 'parents'. To be fair (okay, to be snarky), if Meghan was my mother I wouldn't be going in for a snuggle either. I DO think Archie has GOT to have Harry's DNA so it is a little shocking not to see him more involved or attentive to his son. Some have mentioned Meghan perhaps doesn't 'let' him. What does she do? Is Harry THAT terrified of her?
Fairy Crocodile said…
Loved Wills and Kate arrived to the evening reception in the tuk-tuk (a small car). Looked like they new of the effect, enjoyed it and the face of the driver is priceless. How to have fun and stay royal.
Liver Bird said…
@Lurking

I still think the 'holiday' at maison de Elton which sparked off privatejetgate wasn't a holiday at all, but a discussion about 'strategy', ie sueing the papers and the like. Weren't they only there for a day or two?
PaulaMP said…
We had an earthquake last night and I got very little sleep. I did notice that Meg is wearing the same color green as W and K on her little outing. She is so obvious in her machinations.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Sorry, knew. I have to turn the autocorrect off. It thinks it knows best!!!
Lurking said…
@ Liver Bird

Agree. It wasn't a holiday at all.
JL said…
@Marjorie. Ha ha
Liver Bird said…
"Loved Wills and Kate arrived to the evening reception in the tuk-tuk (a small car). Looked like they new of the effect, enjoyed it and the face of the driver is priceless. How to have fun and stay royal."

Exactly. You just know he's going to have that photo framed and will proudly show it to his grandkids. And Kate and Will thanked him too. As of course they should and as is basic politeness, so I don't want to act as though it's some incredible gesture or anything. But it just goes to show that royaling is so very easy provided you follow a few basic rules.

And what strikes me about this tour is that the joyful, upbeat ambience. Lord knows there are enough bad things going on in Pakistan, but why would Pakistani taxpayers - who are funding this tour - want them to be highlighted? And makes me laugh to see all the fools on CB, who praised Kate's dress through gritted teeth, trying to find a negative. Not enough 'substance' they say. Well, it's not about 'substance'. It's about showcasing Britain, Pakistan and the monarchy. And Kate, Wills and their Pakistani hosts are doing that superbly.
Lurking said…
@ Fairy Crocodile

The look on the driver's face says it all...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/15/15/19745016-7575707-The_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge_step_out_of_a_rickshaw_in_Isla-a-67_1571149358900.jpg


Wills touching his tummy... is he pregnant? /s


Endearing... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10/15/16/19746842-7575707-image-a-72_1571151625593.jpg
Liver Bird said…
Dare I say that other than the unkempt hair (why?) and the silly coat over the shoulders thing (especially as it's way too mild for a winter coat today) Meghan looks quite good at the WellChild event? And Harry's suit has been pressed. And it isn't grey!
Wrapped in Blue said…
Long time lurker, first time poster!

Nutty, just wanted to thank you for all of your hard work on the blog. I check excitedly every day for new posts and love reading everyones thoughtful comments.

Archie is a doppelgänger for Harry so I think it must definitely be his child. He looks nothing like Meghan which makes me wonder if a surrogate carried the baby using her own egg. Might explain why Meghan seemingly has no motherly instincts or attachment to the child.

Kate and William are really showing this pair what a true royal tour looks like. That dress that Kate wore coming off the plane was true perfection! She is so regal and will make a wonderful queen consort. Goes to show what a true narcissist Meghan is- if I had the opportunities that she has been offered I would have begged for Kate to take me under her wing!
PaisleyGirl said…
@Liver Bird, I noticed that too. Meghan looks quite good tonight. Something about her face is different, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Less blusher? Pregnant? Fillers? Different or less make up?
Liver Bird said…
@PaisleyGirl

Looking at the pics again I have now changed my mind. That ridiculous winter coat over the shoulders ruins the look and makes her seem so sloppy and unprofessional. Like I say it's an unusually warm day for mid-October so there's no way she would have needed any sort of coat for the 10 seconds it takes her to walk from limo to building. My bet is she is merching it, which explains why she so often wears clothes one season ahead.

Facially she does look good and has for a while I think. I reckon it's nothing more than weight gain, which has filled out her face in a good way.
Louise said…
Fairy Crocodile: I had also noticed the smile on the face of the rikshaw (or tuktuk) driver. He looks so happy!
abbyh said…

Thanks Nutty for all this. I appreciate the work.
Lurking said…
Smeg's coat:

Has she worn it before? This one, but worn open and on the shoulders? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/fashion/2017/12/25/TELEMMGLPICT000149964720_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqk5526mrlZtD-qkOa1JRpJ5TgA2IjoS_mBSowB3-2HzE.jpeg?imwidth=450

Remember she's from Southern California, as am I. It was 58F when I took my sons to school and I felt chilly in jeans, long sleeve tshirt, sweater, and my fur lined slippers. It's possible that she's not yet accustomed to the cold. The over the shoulder's look is ridiculous.
Liver Bird said…
@Lurking

I would agree with your theory - re her not being used to cold weather - were it not for the fact that she often wears outfits that are too light for the season too. Such as the summer dress she wore to a retirement home in December. Plus like I say it's really very mild today, around 15 degrees. Definitely not winter coat weather no matter where you're from.

Also, didn't she live in Toronto for several years? Surely that would have acclimitised her to very cold weather. I really do think the reason she wears out of season clothes is to merch them for the following season.
lizzie said…
@Lurking. It may be the coat she wore for the Christmas walk before they married. Hard to believe she's cold. She lived in Toronto for 7 years. SoCal was quite a while back.
Liver Bird said…
Yes seems to be the ugly bathrobe coat that she wore with that bizarre brown hat.
Lurking said…
@LB

I've read somewhere that she disliked the cold weather in Toronto. I have no idea how much time she spent there during the winter, so have no idea how acclimated she became or didn't become.

15C = 59F People in Southern California are wandering around in winter coats and Ugg boots. When it hits 14C/47F fur coats will come out.

Clarissa said…
Not sure if this is allowed. If not please remove it.
On Instagram there is a picture of Harry and Trudeau at the Invictus Games and they both look totally shocked to see Meagain turn up on the arm of Soho House Marcus. Does anyone know if there is a murky connection between them all?
Liver Bird said…
Also the dress is the one she wore for her engagement interview. It's clearly much too tight for her now - you can see the tell-tale horizontal creases across the front - which is fine as she recently had a baby. But odd that she hasn't got a new dress seeing as until recently she had an expensive new outfit for every occasion
Mags2428 said…
@Lurking @Liver Bird
She also went to Northwestern. Someone that has faced Chicago winters would wear that coat in mike weather.
SwampWoman said…
I'm sure the tuk tuk is soon going to be adorned with the smiling faces of the Cambridges. What an advertisement!"Ride in royal comfort."
Louise said…
Possibly Markle looks better because she wore her wig parted to the side and had the extensions curled. It makes her look younger.

Her eyebrows are also professionally done.. they were really wonky in Africa.

She does look very fat in the tummy area.. so much so that the dress is pulling, making it the only part of the dress that isn't wrinkled.

I see that she is continuing to rewear clothes, and particularly clothes that are not haute couture What I still don't understand is why it took an expensive PR company for her to finally do this.. I could have told her that for free 9 months ago.

And hate to admit it, but I quite like the purse that she is carrying.
robinsparkles99 said…
@liverbird you're spot on with the coat on the shoulders comment. It looks awful (and like she doesn't know how to wear a coat) but she seems determined to make that one of her signature looks.
Louise said…
Clarissa: I know the photo that you are talking about and was wondering whether they are looking at something else that we can't see. I can't understand why Trudeau would be surprised (or even care) who Smarkle was with.
Liver Bird said…
And of course... charging in front of Harry - the blood prince - and and shaking hands first. She even introduces Harry to someone at one point! The guy making the introductions looks a bit shocked, but he can't have seen much of Markle's behaviour if so.
Glow W said…
I personally think mm is pregnant again.
Miss K said…
Hi Nutty, I’m sorry to be a grump, but I’m starting to wish you’d have fewer open posts. The discussion is good & I know you like it, but I like coming here for YOUR information, insight & analysis. Your posts get shorter & shorter, while comments get longer & longer. It’s becoming something different from what I first came here for. Sorry :/
SwampWoman said…
Liver Bird said...
@Lurking

I would agree with your theory - re her not being used to cold weather - were it not for the fact that she often wears outfits that are too light for the season too. Such as the summer dress she wore to a retirement home in December. Plus like I say it's really very mild today, around 15 degrees. Definitely not winter coat weather no matter where you're from.


I'm going to have to disagree with 15 not being winter weather. It is for us! Fifteen C is a little below our average winter temp. We bundle up like an arctic expedition at those dangerously low temps (grin). I live in Florida and wear long sleeves at 21C. At 15C, I would be in long sleeves AND a sweatshirt with a jacket on top.
lizzie said…
She may not have liked Toronto weather but after Harry's first public hissy fit about Meghan's treatment in the press we got enough papped shots of her on the way to yoga in the winter. She never looked all that bundled up to me. Here's one from early December in 2016--bare legs, Reeboks, no gloves....
http://www.meghansmirror.com/street-style/meghan-markle-yoga-toronto/
JL said…
Again with the tie belt and the hand on the belly. She is pregnancy signaling in the middle of the Pakistan tour. So predictable.
Liver Bird said…

Also, if Meghan is so cold, why isn't she wearing tights, as royal women are expected to wear on officaly duty?
Oh she's back with the dreaded coat on the shoulder style. Does she use safety pins to pin it her shoulders? It's doesn't move an inch! It's so lame and wannabe. Just use a damn scarf or a shawl if you want to drape it, those arm holes are so you can out your arms through them.

The belts back, and with that the speculation that she is pregnant. And this time I'm joining in on speculating about it. In one picture she has her hand on her belly and seems to be laughing and Harry is looking down at it and scowling (again).

Her face looks fresh and glowing. The fillers worked well for her. I'm guessing she skipped the bronzer because she wants people to talk about her pregnant glow. She is vain that way, I wouldn't put it past her. She's did this exact same thing exactly a year back.

As for wills being in Pak, I'm of the opinion that his recent stint with MI6 was in preparation for duties he would would be taking on from now on onwards, and being in Pak now is probably part of it. The current political scenario, for UK or Pakistan, is a little dicey. This tour would be good for Pakistan's image and Imran Khan needs this. The past few months hasn't been very good, popularity wise for him.
Louise said…
The coat that Smirkle is wearing is an alpaca made in Canada. By our standards, it is considered an autumn coat in most of Canada, a winter coat in Vancouver and on warm winter days in Toronto.

I wear a light wool coat in the evening when the temperature drops below 65 degrees F.

The Duchess of Cambridge wore a short version of this coat during a September visit to Yukon, Canada in 2016. The average Yukon temperature in Sept is 43 degrees F (Average high 61 degrees)
Fairy Crocodile said…
Can somebody here please enlighten me about that new woman appointed by Dumbartons? She is married to SoHo house owner and it seems to be associated with something indecent from Meg's past - a suggestion from comments on social media. Why is Soho house sounding like an equivalent of brothel? Thank you!
Avery said…
@Alice, Surrey James Link? I would love to see the scowl.
Clarissa said…
To Louise, On the JersyDeanne site Trudeau is linked with the disgusting Epstein and SoHo house, which sounds like a high class brothel! There are pictures somewhere of Meagain and Mischa jumping around on one of the beds!
Girl with a Hat said…
Wills did a tour at MI6 as part of his training to become King. Charles did something similar as well as 1 month as an Admiral in the Royal Navy, one month as a General in the Army and another in the Air Force but that was quite some time ago. I suppose William will do the same one day as well.
Avery

https://princeharryandme.tumblr.com/image/188367367566

Let me see ... It's on TCD. Hope this link works .
Avery said…
@ Alice, Surrey James Thank you~! Well, that takes the coat twitching to a whole new level lol!!!!!!!!!!!
Louise said…
Clarissa: Can you provide a link? I can't find anything re: Trudeau/Epstein/Soho
Girl with a Hat said…
she's copying the coat on the shoulder look which Melania Trump uses. She has to copy everyone. She cannot find anything original. Even bananas were copied.
Girl with a Hat said…
the Queen opens Parliament and someone shouts "Get rid of Markle" at 00:37 mark

https://twitter.com/YankeeWally/status/1184157891412070400
Lurking said…
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SwampWoman said…
Fairy Crocodile said...
Can somebody here please enlighten me about that new woman appointed by Dumbartons? She is married to SoHo house owner and it seems to be associated with something indecent from Meg's past - a suggestion from comments on social media. Why is Soho house sounding like an equivalent of brothel? Thank you!


I can't enlighten you. I will, however, join you in speculating whether this means that SoHo is ensuring that they are getting monies due them from MM.
Lurking said…
@Mischi... but doesn't she hate everything about the Trumps? Weird that she would style herself after someone she despises. Wonder if their shared friends keep Smeg+1 separated from Ivanka and Jared?
On the Bayou said…
I know this makes me very petty, but I was praying the coat would slip right off Meg's shoulders and onto the floor when she leaned forward for a handshake! She deserves it for attempting to overshadow the Cambridge's Pakistan Tour. She updated their instagram with a new inspirational quote by Maya Angelou on the same day the Cambridge's left for Pakistan. She dropped a sneak peek of their documentary during their arrival in Pakistan. She had Enty publish a cheating rumor blind item on the first day of the tour. She's belly cupping and mentioning Archie today. I'm sure that I'm forgetting something, but that's a lot for 48 hours considering I've barely heard a thing about her since the lawsuit drama. The sad part is that everyone knew she would attempt to outshine the Cambridge's during their tour. Her desperation knows no bounds.
Liver Bird said…
"doesn't she hate everything about the Trumps? Weird that she would style herself after someone she despises. Wonder if their shared friends keep Smeg+1 separated from Ivanka and Jared?"

Definitely not. She fawned all over Ivanka on her blog back in the day. I'm sure she'd love if those posts went down the memory hole when she closed her blog, but the internet never forgets.

I don't think Meghan is political at all. That would require her to take an interest in something other than herself. Trump is hated among the 'cool' people, so she will go along with that. But if it helped her interests, that would change in an instant.

Here's the typically mature and sophisticated way in which Meghan described her meeting with Ivanka:

“When we have drinks, I will make sure I order whatever she does — because this woman seems to have the formula for success (and happiness) down pat.
Lurking said…
Anyone need a laugh? This article has not aged well...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meghan-markle-is-everything-ivanka-trump-wishes-she-could-be?ref=scroll

Paid PR piece? "Journalist" with an ax to grind? Delusional?

"After her marriage to Prince Harry, Meghan Markle will be stepping away from politics to focus on her royal duties. But the years before her royal courtship were characterized by advocacy and grit."

Pull the other one.
@Lurking - the more relevant question is does she 'hate' hate the trumps or does she pseudo hate them because it's the cool, woke, celebrity thing to do? We know she stands for pretty much everything related to name, fame and money. Her hypocrisy is certainly worth writin a book or two about and she has famously fangirled on Ivanka before. I don't understand or buy into her hatred for trump.

@On the Bayou - I'm with you, I was hoping the coat slips and gets caught in her heel and she tries to grab on to Harry. I would like to see whether he reaches out or stay day there tut tutting. She has been super mean to the Cambridges this week, karma would rightly be round the corner.

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Emily said…
Kate and William look great tonight. Kate wearing a lovely sequinned green dress. Just seen pictures of Harry and Meghan on an engagement tonight, and Meghan is wearing her green engagement dress. Of all the colours to wear she chose green. Done deliberately....
Lurking said…
@LB...

I had no idea about Smeg & Ivanka until I did a search. You are correct. She will latch onto and use anyone to get ahead... of course later discarding them when they are no longer useful.
alice france said…
I just saw Prince Harry and Meghan at the Wellchild Awards. Meghan amazes me by his lack of elegance. This way she wore her cloak was nicknamed the Italian-style in the nineteenth century, where the most casual dandies proved their nonchalance with phlegm by not bothering to put on their sleeves. But today, in the twenty first century, wearing one's coat is a sign of negligence and carelessness. Sometimes, this kind of attitude is still noticeable on the catwalks during Haute Couture fashion shows, which is why Melanie Trump sometimes wears a coat in this way. She is an old fashion model who has paraded for fashion designers, so she has kept a sartorial attitude to her old job. But Meghan is a royal highness and should dress properly.
Camper said…
Megan’s coat on the shoulders reminds me of Dick Emery and John McCririck, not a good look, unless you’re a quirky gent.

The way they handle Archie is interesting to me. He’s spending most of his time with a nanny or nannies. I’ve once in my life seen a new mother similar to Meghan handing her child, it was painful to watch. It was in the workplace to show off the baby and a near retirement age male work colleague came, grumbled something and took the baby off the mother to hold it differently! I was left open jawed at the time and the mother, she carried on talking to someone, didn’t even check to see what was going on. It so reminds me of that.
Girl with a Hat said…
I don't think that this has clicked with everyone - people are yelling to get rid of Markle at the Queen at the most solemn occasion! That's really something!

Avery said…
@Mischi, oh, it's clicked for me. I can't stop watching it. (Also, I hate to see HRH so frail. She's not as steady on her feet. :(
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CookieShark said…
Did she wear green as a "take that" to Kate or just because she wanted to wear the dress? It does not fit her well. I think she wants people to speculate she is pregnant. I could be wrong.

Regarding Ivanka, by MM's own admission she interviewed her for the Tig and Ivanka gifted her a handbag, I believe, from her collection. MM is classless enough to insult Ivanka later on, but as we can see with the public regifting of the onesie, this is her style.

I have said before I think MM feels some type of rage at baseline. She appears to have a mean streak that enables her to do things like accept gifts from Ivanka, then ridicule her later.
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Fedde said…
Re the weather: it is strangely warm for this time of year in (Western) Europe. I don't live in the UK but near it, climate, longitude and weather etc. is similar. It was 16-ish degrees here yesterday and reached 18/19 locally today and I took off my (light) coat off both days, walking around outside in just my jeans and t-shirt. The few people who were bundled up for autumn weather were all complaining about how warm it was and how they were sweating. Wearing a coat like MM, especially for such a short walk, is ridiculous and she was probably sweating like a pig in it.
Clarissa said…
Louise, hope this works www.jerseydeanne.com/category/human-rights-violators/jeffrey-Epstein

If Meagain is pretending to be pregnant again, I hope she wears the Moonbumps in the right order this time!
Stacey1985 said…
I don't think Meghan hates Trump. I do, however, believe that Meghan's *backers* hate Trump, and so she sings to whatever tune the paymasters call.
Maggie said…
The tour is to advertise that it's a safe place to visit. It's very much a cricketing nation but in 2009 10 people were killed in a terrorist attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team. I believe this is the first year of an attempt to restore relations amongst cricketing nations.

This is an incredibly important statement of support by the UK that Pakistan is safe and they're sending the future heir and his consort as an act of faith.

Cricket is so important in breaking down barriers; it's totally inexplicable to many but it knits societies across cricketing nations.

William and Kate are taking on a major diplomatic visit and everything they do, say and wear is critical to the visit.

This tour is so important that they will have spent months getting everything absolutely perfect, down to the last detail.
Anonymous said…
Harry choking up during his Wellchild speech about how fatherhood has changed him. https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/status/1184186269942865952
FrenchieLiv said…
@Drabredcarpet : I have seen the video on DM website : it's weird (is it for stealing the show or because of his mental disorders???).
LavenderToast said…
So. Calif here: Can't believe MM doesn't look at a mirror before she goes out in public. She stuffed herself in that green dress for the Well Child Awards. To think the Daily Mail referred to her as looking "glamorous" is sheer lunacy unless if you think looking like a big fat Poblano Pepper is attractive!
Clarissa said…
Avery, The Queen has been having trouble with her knees for the last couple of years. An article in the paper last week said she didn’t want to have an operation as she didn’t have time.
Mimi said…
It appears to me that from the very beginning t Harry instructed his wife to proceed him when meeting people. Except of course in countries and places that will not put up with that.
Glow W said…
I did wonder If the Queen has lost weight for her knees and not because of sickness. That would be a proper thing to do— get some weight off the knees.
Mimi said…
He has shoved her down our throats from day one and even more so now that he told the world he is going to defend and protect her from any and everyone who dare to criticize her. So we are subjected to her smug grin and acting as if “she” is royal..not merely married to a minor royal. Curtsying to her?????? I wanted to barf!!!!!!!!!!
SDJ said…
I have a theory about Will & Kate. They have really stepped up their royal game in the past year and I don't think it is to show Harry & Meghan how its done.

I think that Charles told them that when The Queen goes, he has decided to forego being King and will abdicate quickly. Therefore, its on William and Kate (the more popular royals) to carry the sceptre and wear the crown.

The increased visibility of W & K, the improved and more formal styling of Kate, the absolute perfection of their comportment seems like a dress rehearsal for an imminent Very Important Job.

This could also explain the petulance and misbehaviour of the Sussexes. Harry is pouting and Meghan is coming up with all kinds of hare-brained schemes to make themselves Important! Sadly, MM's only gauge of importance is Instagram and transactional and so she conducts herself accordingly.
FrenchieLiv said…
@Unknown : she deliberately chose to wear that ill-fitting clothes : she wants to look pregnant.
concerning the articles in the press about MM, I think most of the headlines are flattering (those headlines don't reflect reality to my mind).
Fairy Crocodile said…
Oh dear. Harry chocking at the awards ceremony speaking about her pregnancy. First, it is not about them or their child. Second, a 35 year old man behaving like that is just bizarre. He is either going through a mental breakdown or he is on drugs. What an embarrassing show right when the Cambridges need all support they can get in Pakistan, doing a great job for UK
Louise said…
Clarissa: That is extremely vague. I am no fan of Trudeau, but there is nothing there about Trudeau that looks to be based on any facts.
Glow W said…
Eh, my husband cries more now about little sick kids etc than I do. Sick kids really get him emotional. I think Harry was just emotional... new dad... possible new pregnancy etc. It can be seen as very empathetic, which is why the crowd clapped for him.

SDJ supposedly the queen is going to retire at 95, so I don’t think Charles will abdicate, but it’s that everyone has to be prepared for their step up roles. William will become Prince of Wales and Charles’s liege man and will take over probably Prince’s Trust and will become operator of Duchy Of Cornwall, all supposedly looming in less than 2 years.

At this point, William and Harry aren’t in competition with each other as each has a distinctly separate roll.
Mimi said…
It seems like Harry is obsessed with her!!!! What’s up with that??????
Glow W said…
If you are just figuring out that Harry is in love with Meghan, then you haven’t been paying attention. (Or you wanted to belueve in your heart of hearts that it isn’t true)
Liver Bird said…
"He is either going through a mental breakdown or he is on drugs"

I do think Harry is on the edge. His behaviour over the past several months is not normal. He's never been the brightest bulb but he's acting downright weird of late.

And her barging in front of him and him just standing there? It's not about being courteous or chivalrous. As the born royal he takes preedent. This isn't a sexist tradition - Prince Philip always walks behind his wife too.
Liver Bird said…
Whoever said the queen will 'retire' is incorrect. Monarchs don't 'retire'. They abdicate. And the queen has always made it clear that she will never abdicate as she remembers the pain her uncle Edward's abdication caused to her and her family, especially her father, who died at a relatively young age. There is just about zero chance she will abdicate. This has been known for years.
Glow W said…
Prince Phillip’s wife is The Queen as we all know. Yes, he has to walk behind her.
Glow W said…
It’s all speculation about the queen, and yes, what I read said retire. Meaning, she would remain monarch and allow Charles to assume more responsibility which in turn requires William to assume more responsibility. After all, I don’t think it is in great form to have a 95+ year old monarch. That in itself would weaken the monarchy.

The moving along of titles obviously wouldn’t happen until she died.

When you are younger, you can say all you want about how it’s going to be when you get older. When you get old, things can change.
KitKatKisses said…
Headline on The Daily Mail: "Harry Breaks Down." Just MO, but Harry needs help. To the previous poster who said this is just "new dad emotion"-- time and place. Your husband might become emotional in front of his famik6, but I hope he wouldn't break down while at work. We can add this breakdown to what we learned in the SA tour: Harry feels overwhelmed, he finds it hard to get out of bed in the morning, he thinks people are inherently bad, etc. He is an emotional wreck, he is making poor decisions, and he has no visible support from his family. How long are Charles or HM going to let this go on? It has become cruel now.
Mimi said…
Tatty, it is obvious he loves her. Wish I could say the same for her!!!!!!
Mimi said…
Tatty, btw....I don’t appreciate your snarky remarks! Keep it up and someone is going to go off on you!
Glow W said…
@mimi we shall see after some years what’s going on.

Also, getting back to Liz retiring, it’s in the Regency Act. Charles would basically take her place but she would still be queen, and I belueve parliament would have to approve it. Etc. We’ve been seeing Charles doing more ceremonial roles as time goes on
Liver Bird said…
" Just MO, but Harry needs help. To the previous poster who said this is just "new dad emotion"-- time and place."

Agreed on both counts. Man on the edge of a nervous breakdown.

And 'new dad emotion' might be OK if the baby were a week old, but he's 5 months! Plus, Harry is there to support the charity, not talk about himself and his personal 'struggles'. The man is clearly emotionally unstable and should not be allowed to represent the queen until he seeks help.
Glow W said…
@mimi I was not snarky today! But thanks for letting me know that is how I am coming across.
LavenderToast said…
@tatty You stated "Prince Philip's wife is the Queen as we all know. Yes, he has to walk behind."

Ergo, so Meghan is Prince Harry's wife, so she Should Walk behind the royal, but doesn't. Such disrespect; and disrespect does not appear as love, as many have observed.

Additionally, I hope her holding her fat belly is not a signal again of pregnancy. I and many others could barely stomach (no pun intended. LOL) another 10 months of belly cupping, belly holding, belly patting, belly kicks, etc..ad nauseum.
Mimi said…
As I said before....Harry is not keeping it all together. He himself has admitted it and his actions are proving it. I suggested that the perfect time for a “time out” for him and his wife would have been when they returned from their tour. Their engagements should have been cancelled temporarily and he should have been called in for a serious consultation. WHY the RF hasn’t done anything ...well....your guess is as food as mine. I pray this entire debacle...this insanity doesn’t end up in disaster!
FrenchieLiv said…
@Liver Bird : I also think he was not getting emotional in that way, but having a major breakdown.
I don't like him anymore, but I think it's sad. It's time for him to have a rest and stop constantly seeking for media coverage.
Again, the media coverage is much nicer to them than they claim. One could explicitly question Harry's mental health.
Glow W said…
5 months is still plenty of time to feel empathy and cry over sick kids. Maybe Archie’s squint is something and Harry is feeling emotion that his is treatable whereas others are not or are chronic.
Glow W said…
@unknown, in the videos I have seen, Harry clearly and audibly tells her to go ahead. So either it doesn’t apply to that far down the line or he has decided to not bother with it.
Mimi said…
I can’t figure out what I have against proof-reading. ! 😖
Liver Bird said…
If Harry feels he cannot complete the 3 hours or so of 'work' he has to do every week without letting his emotions get the better of him in public, then he's the one who needs to 'retire', not the queen. He is clearly not fit for purpose.
Glow W said…
I know a lot of people refuse to watch the documentaries, but it does give context to these things.
Liver Bird said…
"So either it doesn’t apply to that far down the line or he has decided to not bother with it."

He's a working royal so of course rules of precedent apply to him and his wife. He is a Duke and she is his consort - all of her titles come from him. And he doesn't get to waive these rules at will. The only reason he is there is because he is royal. It's not like people are there to see some balding ginger who barely scraped two A levels and hiw wife from some minor cable TV show. They are there to see royals and they expect all the protocol and dignity. If not, why bother with them at all?
Glow W said…
But you all pointed out that the Africa trip wasn’t an official state trip with red carpet on behalf of the queen. You all also pointed out how relaxed it was and how wrinkled his clothes were.
LavenderToast said…
The whole point of letting someone go ahead is to show deference, a polite concession to honor the one that is allowed to go first. Can anyone think it proper for the Queen to allow Prince Philip to go in front of her, or maybe sit on a throne and have the officials recognize him first? That is why there is a protocol. to show respect and order.

No. it is the Bizzaro world of the Meghan and Harry shyte show. It is demeaning the concept of royals. Let's just take it further and take away their titles and trappings of royalty and treat them like commoners.
Trudy2 said…
Am up way past my bedtime and made the rookie error of having a quick scroll before nodding off. Won't be able to absorb all of the above comments until I have a wee skive at work tomorrow but at first glance it looks as though she's dug out an Aussie sized moon bump and the DM commentators have flatly ignored (as well they should) and just concentrated on Henry Halfwit being as much as a dreadful prat as she is?
I bid thy Nuttees goodnight, quite looking forward to reading more insights tomorrow!
KitKatKisses said…
Tatty, sure you can still be emotional about your child at 5 months or 25 years, but a work event is neither the time nor the place to do that. As someone said, this event was not about Harry, Meghan, or Archie. If you cannot focus on your job because you have emotional issues, there is help for that.

Look at William today; a child said, "I am a big fan of your mom" (something like that), and William charmingly and graciously replied "I was a big fan of hers too." He didn't start bawling. He has matured, healed, etc., and I don't doubt that William
put a lot of work into his own mental health. I think the Middletons can take partial credit for this as well.

Now my own son is quite sensitive and emotional so I am not going to say something silly, like Harry needs to "man up". But if you take what Harry has done today and add it to other recent comments he has made and his behavior, a pattern develops. That is what psychologists look for, a pattern of behavior over a certain period of time. That is what IMO we are seeing with Harry. I feel so sad for him because help is available to him. And of course The Cambridge's big focus is mental health, so it's not as if they aren't aware of these kinds of problems. I can only guess that Rachel has Harry so isolated and brainwashed that the family cannot get through to him.
Mimi said…
Liver Bird. I agree with you. The thing is that it is clear Harry has instructed her to precede him when meeting/greeting. He steers her to walk in front of him. Occasionally he forgets and that is when we see them bumping into each other. But it’s clear this is the way he wants it. He wants her out there first...ahead of him. We’ve seen it even when they aren’t out greeting people. He encourages her to walk in front of him. WHY? good question. He KNOWS he is the royal and that HE should be ahead of her in these situations, so why does he practically shove her to go ahead of him?????? His way of giving the RF the finger? His obsession with FORCING us to accept her? I believe I read somewhere that he is nervous and anxious when greeting people so maybe they made a joint decision that she would run interference for him. She, being an actress, she relishes being first, being in the spotlight! Plus, he stressed that they always have each other’s back!!!!!!
JL said…
I am of two minds. My cynical self thinks Harry has become a better actor than MeMe and that this is an attention grab. (I have come to dislike Harry even more than I dislike Smirkles.)
On the other hand, it could well be that Harry is at the beginning of a breakdown. This could be excellent provided he is placed in treatment in a timely manner. Treatment could mean a new awareness dawning on him and a deprogramming from MeMe’s brainwashing. As sad as it may be, it could be a most necesary detoximg from the co-addict relationship.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Right, let's see. Harry's first emotional outburst - before marriage against the press "hunting" Markle; "what Meghan wants Meghan gets" -outburst at Wills for not rolling a red carpet- "they don't make it easy" - "I will fly private because it is not safe for my family to fly commercial" - "you are all suffering from unconscious racism you learned from your parents" - "so concerned about the world I can hardly get out of my bed in the morning" - "the vile media killed my mommy and now doing the same to my wife" - "don't behave like that" -"horrible suffering" - "I squeezed her hand and (sobs and laughs). Am I missing something? I sincerely hope none of our husbands are going around at work sharing private moments with strangers and crying in the process. Harry needs help and fast.
Liver Bird said…
* I believe I read somewhere that he is nervous and anxious when greeting people"

Well if so he did a pretty good job of hiding it! He always seemed very comfortable and at ease around people, almost like his mother.... until recently.

I just think he is totally and utterly under her spell. And not in a healthy, so-in-love sort of way. I think he's a weak, emotionally stunted man child and she has exploited that. I've said before that he always seems tense and uptight when she's around, but when she's not there he's so much more relaxed. I think he's constantly terrified of incurring her displeasure. Remember 'what Meghan wants, Meghan gets'.
Mimi said…
Liver Bird. so true. And maybe you are right...he is terrified of incurring her wrath. I mentioned that before too. He looks nervous and stressed when they are out together so who knows what the reasons are for the way he behaves.
Mimi said…
Let’s face it. If she can get away with smacking his leg in public, in front of the whole world I can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors!!!!
Dissappointed to see lots of vicious, negative comments about the Cambridge's tour on Daily Mail. Some are obvious fale accounts, when you click on their profile the only articles they comment on ate Cambridge's or Sussex's.
Will & Kate are having a fantastic tour, they both look great & really showing how it should be done.

I won't be watching the TV documentary about the Sussex tour of Africa - having seen photo's of it that's enough - why can't either of them hold that baby correctly? It really is baffling, do they only get short, supervised visits with him & with Archie only allowed to be kept in his pushchair?
Louise said…
Scottish Wildcat: Yes, I was also perturbed by all those vicious comments in theDM. I tried to flag a few for removal, but it was like trying to hold back a dam with my finger. I don't understand why they pre-moderated comments during the Sussex vacation, but allow a free for all against the Cambridges.

Maybe the Cambridges need to threaten bogus lawsuits as well...
JL said…
Harry choking uo: “I remember when my wife and I knew we were first pregnant… No one else knew but we knew “

What the heck??? Everyone knew immediately. The ten month pregnancy.
They announced when she was barelly two months along at Eugenie’s Oct 12th wedding.
They barely knew before everyone else knew.

Unless of course Archie was born months earlier than they say...

And all his emotion certainly doesn’t match the fact that they were arguing about the pregnancy the whole Australia tour.

Gaaah.
LavenderToast said…
If Meghan is the feminist that she claims to be then she should respect other's accomplishments equally and fairly. Yet it seems she does not respect Harry as being the royal and his accomplishments as a royal. I believe she demands of Harry that he put her first literally and figuratively (which he does ala "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets"). After all, it has been widely reported she is so controlling, she gets up at 5am to issue orders to her staff. I would not be surprised is she has 'orders' for Harry. She knows his weaknesses and maybe uses it against him in the disguise of 'love'. He appears to be a henpecked husband more than he appears to be 'in love'. Of course, he is appearing weak, in tears, vulnerable and possibly off-balance which makes him ripe for manipulation and control.



NeutralObserver said…
Something seems seriously amiss with Harry. I watched the video of his near sobbing breakdown at the WellChild event. WTF! His 93 year old granny opened Parliament & gave a speech she apparently wasn't very happy about, & did it like a champ. His father was once shot at giving a speech In Australia by a nutter wielding a gun loaded with very convincing sounding blanks, & didn't turn a hair. His father also would never have snapped at the reporter in SA as Harry did. Perhaps the more dedicated royal watchers can explain it to me. Is it a younger son thing? Do Andrew & Edward get oddly emotional in public in inopportune moments? Anne, Charles, the queen, Philip, all seem to have the stiff upper lip thing down. Even Diana kept her mood swings hidden from the public. During the most tumultuous times in Diana's life in the RF, she was a blonde vision of poise in public. I called him a weak link in another post, harsh, but this fellow needs help.
Louise said…
This crying at the awards show seems to be the prequel to all the suffering that they will be telling us about in the upcoming documentary.

This seems to be the new strategy: they want us to pity them.

Poor, poor Duke and Duchess... such a hard life.
Ilona said…
@ Louise and Clarissa and of course, Nutty - if you are interested. MM has been a friend of Hannah Bronfman who is the niece of Clare Bronfman who is a follower and financial backer of NXIVM. She was arrested by federal agents on July 24, 2018 in New York City and charged with money laundering and identity theft in connection with NXIVM activities.

NXIVM   "a self-described American multi-level marketing company based near Albany, New York, that offered personal and professional development seminars through its "Executive Success Programs".  The company has been described as a cult and a pyramid scheme, and has also been alleged to be a recruiting platform for a secret society (variously called "DOS" or "The Vow") in which women were branded and forced into sexual slavery."  

Keith Raniere is the co-founder and leader of NXIVM: a self-help guru accused of leading a sex cult that enslaved women and who was found guilty of all charges against him in June 2019.

All this information is found on Wikipedia under their names. It is alleged that Hannah Bronfman attended two seminars at NXIVM.

Here is the video with MM's Instagram pictures and at 1:07 the relevant information on the two women's friendship. (the comments that follow the video are out of this world!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXlZtmZ8F6k&feature=youtu.be

The Bronfam family was the owner of the Seagram Company, a Canadian multinational conglomerate that controlled various entertainment such as Universal Cable Productions and other business ventures till recently. More information again on Wikipedia. (USA Network and Universal Cable Productions were the producers of Suits).

Unfortunately, the big "bad" names of Epstein, Clinton, Weinstein et al are interconnected. The possibilities that our lady was involved somehow are pretty good - and I don't necessarily mean in a sexual way only but in a form of blackmailing certain individuals ...

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Fairy Crocodile said…
@Scottish WildCat and Louise. I used to work with media and I can tell you why DM allows nasty comments against the Cambridges. It is to avoid been blamed for selective character assassination. "You see, we are treating them all equally, we are so unbiased". It is obvious. In the upcoming lawsuit lawyers can demonstrate screenshots of both.
Girl with a Hat said…
I forgot to report that Yankee Wally in yesterday's youtube says that the Queen asked Harry to marry a woman of colour to make the BRF seem more inclusive. I don't know if that's true, but that's what Yankee says.
Louise said…
Ilona: Thanks. But I still don't see the link to Trudeau. Yes, one of the Bronfman's raises money for Trudeau's political party (for which Trudeau turns a blind eye to this Bronfman's offshore, non taxable holdings), but they are a big family and I don't see any connection of Trudeau and the Montreal Bronfmans to this sex scandal.

(Although Trudeau had his own groping scandal going back some years before he was involved in politics.. )

Whether Markle was involved, she seems to be made of Teflon and these things just slip away.
Louise said…
Fairy Crocodile: I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't explain why many articles about Smarkle are pre-moderated. If the DM wants to keep the playing field level, they shouldn't tilt it to one side.
Glow W said…
@mischi yankee is wrong again. No one said get rid of Markle, it was the call to order regarding the black rod lady.
Miggy said…
OK, so I must be viewing that video differently to everyone else.

What I saw and heard from Harry was a *snort*, followed by a weak laugh and then possibly some genuine emotion - but only after that Gabby woman patted his arm.

I have no idea if he really is in need of an intervention or if he is playing us!

Glow W said…
I heard the weak laugh too. I did it at my wedding because I wa so full of emotion I started crying and then I changed to a quick embarrassed laugh.
Miggy said…
@Louise

"This crying at the awards show seems to be the prequel to all the suffering that they will be telling us about in the upcoming documentary.

This seems to be the new strategy: they want us to pity them.

Poor, poor Duke and Duchess... such a hard life."



100% agree!
Glow W said…
“what is shouted at 0.16 & 0.31 (by 2 different voices) is 'MAKE WAY FOR BLACK ROD'
It's part of ceremony & those 2 calls are heard at those points every time.”
Miggy said…
@ Tatty,

He snorted, like I do when I laugh. (sometimes, and always embarrassed when I do)
Glow W said…
I personally assume he couldn’t hold emotion in and then snorted because he was embarrassed, but we are all going to have different points of view I suppose
Fairy Crocodile said…
Tatty, or yes, there was a yell by a woman "Get rid of Markle". You can hear it in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA2SJoOgRSQ&feature=youtu.be Right at the beginning.
Miggy said…
For sure we are going to see things differently.

To me, it appeared that he suddenly found something funny, hence the snort, then laugh.
Artemisia19 said…
I listened to the Queen's speech but I didn't hear the MM shout out. Anybody send a link and time with it?
Girl with a Hat said…
Tatty, there were shouts for getting rid of markle.
Glow W said…
What seconds because all I hear is a very clear man “make way for black rod” and then after the queen appears a woman says “make way for black rod” which is tradition for the opening of parliament.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Tatty, I may be wrong but what clinched it for me was Camilla's reaction. She looked down trying to suppress a smirk. I doubt she would smirked at the "Black rod" shout.
Glow W said…
:15 man “Make way for black rod!”
:31 woman “MKe way for black rod!”

:50 queen sits and tells her lord to be seated

Nothing about Markle.
Glow W said…
I’m sorry but you are wrong and I wish people like Yankee would say it and admit it because it makes her look dumbed down when she misleads like that.

You can read about “make way for black rod” on Wikipedia etc
NeutralObserver said…
A Daily Mail commenter pointed out that the kids in the audience of the WellChild event actually have real things to cry about, unlike Harry & Megs. Looking at the large photos on the Daily Mail, I was struck by how much older the skin on Megs' legs look than her face. Tights might be a good idea when in front of the photographers' zoom lenses.
Miggy said…
Correction: Laugh, snort, gulp, big grin, then says sorry with another laugh.

Only looked emotional for a few seconds and that was as Gabby came to his rescue.

I don't buy it.
Glow W said…
By the way, her black rod outfit is very cool , especially the black rod.

https://youtu.be/QZlbVvTC6Jw

Sarah Clarke is the first ever Female Black Rod
Girl with a Hat said…
@Artemisia, there's a twitter link above
Glow W said…
As an aside, Rose’s husband carried the crown, as seen at the above link.
Girl with a Hat said…
tatty, there are three shouts. The first two are for Black Rod. But you can hear "markle" distinctively in the third which is a weaker shout.
Glow W said…
@Artemisia, no one yelled about Markle. That is a fantasy and made up wishful thinking. https://youtu.be/QZlbVvTC6Jw
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, at 00:37 there's the shout for Markle.
Louise said…
I don't hear "Get rid of Markle". It does sound more like Black Rod.
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty- sorry at 00:31 - get rid of Markle. If you can't hear it, well...
Girl with a Hat said…
@Louise - no - the first shout is for the Black Rod and that's in a different voice and quite distinct. Markle is shouted from the gallery and why should they be shouting when the Queen is already sitting down? The Black Rod precedes her.
Fairy Crocodile said…
I guess if there were yells to get rid of her we will hear about it. Some commentators on DM and on social media say there were yells against MM. Lets wait and see the reaction - or absence of it.
Glow W said…
It’s CLEARLY black rod if you would watch my BBC YouTube link.

Don’t make MM the most powerful woman in the world— more important and powerful than brexit and the queen’s speech (on and only Yankee Wally reported it 😂😂).

Come on, Mischi admit defeat. You are wrong, and it’s as clear as day.
Glow W said…
The black rod doesn’t proceed the Queen and they yell it more than once.
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, it's clearly Markle. No, sorry, I think you have a hearing problem, it's so clear to me.

Louise said…
Mischi: But you earlier stated that there were three shouts. I only hear two. Where did the third one go?
Glow W said…
*precedes.

Mischi, I beg of you to watch the BBC you tube link.
NeutralObserver said…
Read a bit of the text of Harry's speech. Now I don't think he was sobbing. I think he was actually gagging at the cringe-inducing, cheesy words his wife had written for him. I would have gagged in that situation myself. Or, perhaps he was giggling with nervous hysteria thinking about big act he & his wife have been putting on.
Glow W said…
The black Rod can also be heckled as she arrives, and Dennis Skinner did indeed heckle her.
Girl with a Hat said…
The shouts are from two different directions and two different voices, and it doesn't sound like "Black Rod" but "Markle" and "Get rid of" preceding that. One voice sounds official, the second sounds like a heckler. No, you are wrong, Tatty.
Girl with a Hat said…
Oh, so now they are heckling the Black Rod to get rid of Markle?
Glow W said…
Why won’t you watch the BBC link? It’s an honest question. You are all wrong about the Black Rod, when she comes in and the tradition of knocking 3 times bedore she can get in and get heckled.
Glow W said…
It’s about Brexit, OMG.
Girl with a Hat said…
yes, there are three - one at 00:14, 00:16 and 00:31 about Markle.
Glow W said…
'https://youtu.be/QFYY5FDsStk you can watch it yourself, Skinner heckled black rod
Girl with a Hat said…
I'm watching UK Parliament version. Can't get more official than that.
Glow W said…
Ok, at this point I have decided that you are a troll in for the long term.
Girl with a Hat said…
she gets heckled "Get rid of Markle"?
Girl with a Hat said…
@tatty, I have decided that you are one of Meghan's sugars.
Avery said…
@tatty. In your version you've shared it can't be heard, however, you can see Camilla's awkward smile after on ANOTHER version, it CAN be heard.
Fairy Crocodile said…
To be honest, I also hear the third yell from a woman "Get rid of Markle". But I may be influenced by my dislike of the H&M controversy. Sorry for posting about it several times.
Anonymous said…
@mischi if you say you watched parliament video, how did you miss that the Queen comes in before the Black Rod? You incorrectly stated Rod comes in before the queen.
Girl with a Hat said…
Fairy, you must be a troll too.
Fairy Crocodile said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA2SJoOgRSQ&feature=youtu.be

This is not a BBC version and here the yell can be heard pretty clearly.
Miggy said…
@NeutralObserver

I think we are on the same wavelength.
Anonymous said…
@Mischi said, “why should they be shouting when the Queen is already sitting down? The Black Rod precedes her.”. That is very hard to miss if you actually watched it.
Girl with a Hat said…
I am colour blind so I have a hard time distinguishing the Black Rod in the group.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Drabred, I am getting a little annoyed at being attacked for not agreeing with everything other people say, so cut it out.
Anonymous said…
You will have to excuse me. I love catching someone in a lie, especially when they did it all themselves.
Girl with a Hat said…
Drabred, really? then why don't you concentrate on Tatty?
Avery said…
Whoa @Drabredcarpet. Nutty asked us to be nice #1. #2, there is a version posted higher up where it can CLEARLY be heard 'Get rid of Markle'. The version tatty posted is completely different angle, audio, etc. and no, it can NOT be heard. But do NOT accuse @Mischi of lying. Who do you think you are?
Girl with a Hat said…
Avery, there's a group of mean girls on here who like to attack me because I am very assertive here so they need to take me down in order to dominate the conversation. One of them starts up, and the others pick up after that.

Like a pack of wolves. One of them picks on an animal and when the first wolf gets tired, the second picks up where the first one left off.

Thank you for your support. I appreciate it.

Mimi said…
Mischi, don’t worry. We’ve got your back!
El Naro said…
I was also wondering what the reason was for the Pakistan visit. I know that Britain created the country in the partition, that it has nuclear power, and there were increased tensions with India at one point. I guess this is why William needed to consult with intel agenices before visiting. Oh, and the poppies. One cannot forget about the historical production, not that it is connected. Thank you to the poster who pointed out a plausible-sounding possibility: "This tour would be good for Pakistan's image and Imran Khan needs this."
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 I keep thinking things will settle down to the lazy days of spring where the weather is gorgeous and there is a certain sense of peacefulness.  New flowers are coming out. increasing daylight so people can be outside/play and thinking gardening thoughts.  And life is quiet.  Calm. And then something happens like a comet shooting across the sky.  (Out of nowhere it arrives and then leaves almost as quickly.)   An update to a law suit.  Video of the website is released (but doesn't actually promote any specific product which can be purchased from the website).  A delay and then jam is given out (but to whom and possible more importantly - who did not make the list?).  Trophies almost fall (oops).  Information slips out like when the official date of beginning USA residency.  (now, isn't that interesting?) With them, it's always something in play or simmering just below the surface.  The diversity of the endeavors is really ...