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Meghan and George: Why does a 40-year-old woman envy a 6-year-old?

Apparently Photoshop is not required when releasing photographs of Royal children. Prince George appeared today in a historic image of four heirs to the British throne - Elizabeth, Charles, William, and George - and both his blue-piped white shirt and Black Watch long trousers were hopelessly wrinkled.

That's an easy Photoshop fix - the white shirt is, at least. But the Royal family seems more interested in authenticity than perfection.

They don't have to be Kardashian-smooth. They have the security of old money and it shows.

Meg and her Photoshop

By contrast photos of Meg and Harry's son Archificial, whomever he is and wherever he comes from, are tweaked within an inch of their lives. Backgrounds don't match, faces are imposed, and sometimes the whole thing is reduced to black and white to make the tampering less obvious.

Archie does not have a title, even though he is technically 7th in line to the throne. (And I have my doubts about that.) 

He doesn't have the security of a steady income the way the heirs do, whether it is the Duchy of Cornwall or the Duchy of Lancaster. For Royal income and privileges, he will always be dependent on somebody else. 

So he's got to look good. And he needs the sort of publicity that proclaims that he is going to be a "confident social butterfly." (Which sounds to me like one of those wealthy wastrels out of an Evelyn Waugh novel from the 1930s, but I digress.) And he needs to be admired by glossy celebrities.

At least his mother thinks he does. 

Meg and Envy

Meg is well-acquainted with most of the seven deadly sins - lust, greed, pride, wrath, gluttony, sloth, and envy. When it comes to George and his sister Charlotte, envy seems to be Meg's primary emotion. 

George and Charlotte have something Meg can't hustle her way to. They were born into their roles, born into immense privilege. 

This frustrates Meg, who feels she should be able to hustle her way into everything

Thus we get Sunshine Sachs-style publicity that emphasizes the superior people skills of poor Archificial (whomever he is) and how the Cambridge children should spend more time with the little Mountbatten-Windsor, so they can watch and learn.

(Meg hasn't gone after Prince Louis yet, but give her time.)

Prince George's personality

Usually the only people concerned about a six-year-old's personality are his parents and perhaps his first-grade teacher. 

George is a little different, of course, given his future position. But kids' personalities can change. William was a difficult and arrogant child - his school nickname was Basher - but seems to have matured into a calm and responsible adult.

And George - who is reportedly called "PG" at school, leading to the inevitable nickname "Tips"- seems to have friends, hobbies, and loving parents. 

With his father and grandfather ahead of him in line for the throne, George also has the advantage of many years to live his own life, which would allow him to pursue his own interests. Japan's emperor Akihito was a marine biologist, for example, and of course Prince Charles has used his extensive waiting time to get involved in environmentalism and architecture. 

Does George look miserable when forced into formal clothing and interactions with adults he doesn't know? Yeah, he does. That's pretty normal for a six-year-old boy. 

(And personally, I think it is highly inappropriate that he and Charlotte are being asked to hug random members of the public. Shaking hands is fine for that circumstance.)

Meg's personality

Meg's personality has been extensively discussed on this forum, but her constant craving for publicity and approval is what runs her headlong into George. 

How can she understand someone who was born with all the fame he'll ever need? 

Comments

Anonymous said…
@AbbyH, straight from the Chasolator: "that sounds marvelous! I look forward to seeing your lovely work". Shifting down to the Ellespeak translator, "I don't know what any of that means, but it sounds great, so do share!" (Completely unrelated to the BRF, Bruno Kirby was great in City Slickers, too). If it's any consolation, I once thought Chas' ideas seemed eccentric, too, and now that his Duchy videos have come out, etc., it's enchanting!

@SwampWoman, your idea would only work if you used reclaimed wagon wood coffee tables sourced from couples who had consciously uncoupled. (Okay, it is not even that late here and I'm losing it lol)
Anonymous said…
@Glinda, I'm a little on the old side ao I'm frequently surprised at a lot of the personal stuff I see online

I guess that's why I'm personally horrified because I know how easy it is to grab a screenshot and to find the links to someone's life. It can be used for good (which is what we had to do), but it can be easily used for evil, and I'm just hyper aware of that, so maybe that explains part of my issue with it. I really do see the dangers of social media. Of course, thankfully, we had PH to lecture us on how addicting it is and how dangerous, and then after that, his dearly beloved pimped their entire lives for social media, but you know lol

I wonder if the royal family,with the exception of W&K, notice all of MM's antics to upstage W&K and their children? I never really followed the royals until the late stages of MM's 'pregnancy. I never knew about Charles' birthday party scene or about Eugenie's wedding etc. Actually, I wouldn't have made the connection to MM deliberately trying to upstage those events but I did find her irritating but I couldn't put my finger on exactly why.I

It will be interesting to see how things go when they return. I don't see MM curtailing any of her activities. We've had another PR mini blitz whilst they are still on their break, one of the stories was about George Clooney's wife being obsessed with MM. I just saw,the headline and laughed.





SwampWoman said…
1:30 a.m. here. (Must cover all the mirrors so I don't scare myself.) I can hardly wait to see what will occur on the PR front tomorrow from the Sussexes. Perhaps they will show themselves to the delight of their adoring sugars and the vast rattling sound echoing across the cosmos will be us as we roll our eyes.
Anonymous said…
@SwampWoman - do they return to GB tomorrow?

@GoodVibes, Crowns of Great Britain often jokes that Kate is on the phone to HMTQ after a few G&Ts about Rach. Though I'm sure that part is an exaggeration, it's still funny to read. And I'd imagine that yes, HM & Chas are well aware, hence the recent shade.

I saw, but didn't read, about Amal being obsessed with Rach. Amal and George must have both been stricken dumb by that obsession because we've not heard a word from them in support of their Magnificent Obsession. Add to that the fact that none of her other besties (Oprah, Gayle, Ellen, etc.) popped for a "mansion", and so they had to scrape one in BC where no one is going at this time of year unless there aren't other choices.

It's almost like Rach's besties had to choose between H&Rach and the rest of the BRF (&W&K in particular) and a resounding "Rach who?" was heard round the world as everyone came to their senses and got on board with the actual BRF who matter.
Sconesandcream said…
The Kensington Royal vs Sussex Royal posts re the Australian bushfire crisis are exactly as we would expect. The former is a well written post of support and condolence to Australia. The later is a post which focuses on MM & PH because it is always about them. I guess we should be thankful that there are no Australian tour photos accompanying the post.

As an aside Australian comedian Celeste Barber of #challengeaccepted fame has done amazing job of encouraging her international followers to donate. Last I checked $22 million has been pledged so far to the NSW rural fire service.
@Elle, ‘@Happy Days, re this: Her title is only a courtesy title at this point because she is not a UK citizen. I am hoping the marriage ends before she obtains citizenship, which could end any claims she has to a title. It is the main reason she stalked Harry. Otherwise, she could have just snagged some other wealthy idiot from a famous family."

Elle replied ‘I've been told this, but in a previous discussion, was told that the citizenship issue wasn't one. Do you know? I've no idea and would love to think this wasn't realsies for Rach. (Sorry, I just never get to say "realsies" and it is such an annoying and juvenile thing, it seems to fit in a sentence about her.)’

I saw the comment on the previous post and would say we don’t know because there’s no set precedent. The example was The Duchess of Windsor who was an American too, ‘but’ she never divorced The Duke, nor did she behave like Meghan has (not that we know of). So how do we know whether she would have been allowed to keep her title if she had divorced, and still holding only an American citizenship? We don’t. I’m open minded as to what decision could be made by the Monarch etc.
Anonymous said…
Thank you @Raspberry Ruffle. We can only hope that no citizenship means no title, but your point is well made - we just don't know because there is no precedent. Maybe instead of stripping her title, they'll just go with exorcism. I could get behind that decision 😉

BTW, are you in the UK? (If you don't want to say, no prob, IGI)
@Elle, ‘BTW, are you in the UK? (If you don't want to say, no prob, IGI)’

I’m British and in the UK. ;o)
Anonymous said…

@Raspberry, I figured :) It's such a beautiful place and if one good thing has come from Rach, it's that more of us probably have a greater appreciation of the beauty and tradition there. If it hadn't been for this mess, how many of us would've missed the Duchy of Cornwall specials, for example? In that way, I think this has been really special. Still, I wish I could make a proper pot of tea. Any tips? Particularly for Earl Grey? Is there a brand you prefer?
Children:I recall a young Charles being publicly criticised for his ears and then the argument for and against the removal of his tonsils being thrashed out in the Press, all of which was unseemly, it not downright cruel.

Teeth: Megalodon's movement of her gnasher's still remind me of elderly relatives struggling with their full sets of NHS dentures and the old gag `I say, I say, my wife's teeth shine like the stars and they come out at night'.

Wigs: Time has not improved the colour or thickness of my hair, to the point that I was seriously considering some sort of augmentation (ie googling proper wig shops) as I was so conscious of it and getting very depressed - I have seen some fabulous wigs I'd be glad to wear. I couldn't convince my husband that it's much worse for a woman than a man.

Luckily, I found a good hairdresser who with a brilliant cut and sensitive colouring achieved wonders of camouflage without going down the wig route. What I realised was that importance of getting hair/wig right above all else. Get the best you can; then shop for the clothes. I'm lucky, I found a tiny, unpretentious salon off the main street with reasonable prices in what had been a one-up, one down Victorian cottage (low business rates!).

It's not the wearing of wigs that's so tacky, it's the quality and what she does with them that's so awful. Would she need a dresser to help her put on a full wig properly, so it looked good/convincing? I can imagine problems there though...
Princess Mrs. B said…
Interesting that Rose Hanbury, Marchioness of Cholmondeley and her husband are among the group of friends accompanying the Cambs to church this morning. They are presumably part of the Anmer house party that comes together every year to celebrate Kate's birthday. I hope this will end the speculation about the affair with William. I know someone who will not be pleased.
Fairy Crocodile said…
You people offer most interesting comments. Always discover something interesting I had no clue about.
Out of all issues discussed here the most disturbing is that Meg may be a drug user. It is bad on so many levels and extremely difficult to treat, because a long-term use changes personality. I hugely admire those who were strong enough to shake it off; our own family member hadn't been lucky. As for Megs:

- many actors and musicians are users. Her own previous wedding ceremony provided guests with drugs. How big is the chance she is clean?

- many aspects of her behavior can be explained by drugs. Sloppiness in dress, clouded judgement about what is appropriate, temper tantrums, selfishness.

-if Harry has a dally with drugs marrying her is the worst thing he could have done. He will never break the circle with a user wife, regardless of how many rehabs he does

- I am sorry for Archie. Drugs not only increase risks of disorders in kids, having a druggy mommy is a personal hell I would not wish on anybody judging by what I saw in my relative

- Sorry for the royal family. Regardless of how much better Harry looks now the unpleasant surprises from the duo are not over. If H&M do drugs together all common sense is over.

I took the term "narc" often used for MM for "narcotics user", and only later realized it is "narcissist". She can be both, a square narc.
Nelo said…
Harry won't like this:
https://amp.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/curse-of-the-spare-prince-harry-and-prince-andrew-learned-a-tough-lesson-in-2019/news-story/327e82b5b79885e605400ae3a092dffe?__twitter_impression=true

" While the routes and choices Andrew and Harry have taken could not have been more different (or guided by more divergent motives), what they do have in common is that they are both men who have been left to their own devices, to muddle through and clumsily find their own way. In turn, this blundering process has caused varying degrees of damage to the royal family’s image and brand.

They are far from the first “spares” caught in this predicament. Consider Princess Margaret, a woman who fitfully struggled to find a sense of purpose."
Nelo said…
https://hrhduchesskate.blogspot.com/2020/01/first-look-cambridges-attend-sunday.html?m=1
Kate attended church and was joined by the Marquess and Rose, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. If Will had an affair with her, will she had come for the service held before Kate's bday?
Sandie said…
@Fairy Crocodile: Narc is short for narcissist. There is no indication/no signs that Meghan is a drug user, and that Harry tried marijuana when he was at school does not make him a drug addict nor even a habitual drug user.

The following does a good job of summing up the problematic life of the 'spare':

Both Harry and Andrew have been forced to contend with the curse of the “spare”. From birth, they were raised with a sense of importance in the knowledge they occupied a privileged place in the pecking order. And then, come adulthood, they found that seniority slowly slipping away, leaving them further and further from any real power and only a nebulous idea of what they were supposed to do with themselves.

In the early ’90s, Prince Philip would often pen surprisingly affectionate and kind letters to Diana, Princess of Wales. In one he wrote, “The only person in the family with a defined ‘job’ is Ma, who is the Head of State … The rest of us simply have to get on with life as best we can.”

While this might be true for every member of the royal family, it is even more so for the “spares”.

The role of the spare is one without any formal guidelines or rules. They are not the heir nor are they simply just a child of the monarch, destined to spend their days pluckily opening new scout halls or lighthouses. Instead, the “spare” occupies a strange no man’s land between having some modicum importance and the cadre of titled workhorses who just get on with it. As children they are elevated above their cousins and/or siblings and then in adulthood are left to find that shred of superiority ebbing away.

https://amp.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/curse-of-the-spare-prince-harry-and-prince-andrew-learned-a-tough-lesson-in-2019/news-story/327e82b5b79885e605400ae3a092dffe?__twitter_impression=true

An interesting addition I would like to make is that the Queen's father was the spare, and even before he had to take over as king, there was none of this problematic behaviour from him. Character and perhaps who your spouse is does seem to make a difference.
lizzie said…
@Nelo,
I can easily see it being in the interest of both couples to make a public appearance. Because of Rose's husband's position, the couple's will have to interact at future royal events. And they are neighbors in Norfolk.

Personally I don't think the church walk together really shows anything about whether there was an affair. I'm certainly not saying there was an affair, just that the public appearance today doesn't really mean anything so far as I'm concerned.
SwampWoman said…
@Elle, it was today (Sunday) for me when I said that. I expect an actual sighting in the next week. No, I have zero knowledge of when they will come out of hiding, excuse me, privacy, but the multiple PR reports from the past week certainly seems to indicate to me that returning to the public may be imminent. An alternative view may be that she is reminding the RF of how unpleasant she can be, so pay up, suckers.

I certainly hope that Nutty is correct and she is out, but I don't know that she will disengage the claw that easily.


Princess Mrs. B said…
@lizzie, I have to agree with Nelo. Rose's husband's position means that their paths may cross at official functions like the State Banquet they both attended but it is quite another matter to be included in a house party at Anmer to celebrate Kate's birthday. I can't imagine any woman, regardless of position, being that forgiving and inviting the "other woman" into her inner circle and her home.
Nelo said…
@Lizzie, this church outing is a deliberate PR move by the Cambridges to debunk that rumor. They were there in addition to Will's childhood friends and Kate's parents in celebration of Kate's forthcoming bday I believe. They could have attended any church or stayed at home. Church is not a state function that is compulsory.
lizzie said…
@Princess Mrs B

I'd agree except we don't really know that Rose and her husband were included in the weekend house party based on a few photos. (I do think we're supposed to assume that.) I can easily imagine W&K inviting the couple from Norfolk for tea/coffee before/after church if they aren't still friends (for whatever reason) but both couples wanted to quiet rumors.

Anyone in the spotlight sometimes uses photo ops to convey wanted non-verbal impressions so that's not a criticism. While M&H have overdone it (and done it badly) I do think the rest of the family knows how to create wanted impressions from photos. Certainly the Queen does!

@Nelo,

I agree with you it looks like a PR move from the Cambridges. But I'm not sure why it being a "deliberate PR move" would mean there was no affair. Again, I'm not saying there was an affair but engaging in a PR move to debunk the idea of an affair certainly doesn't prove there was no affair.

I wasn't saying Rose's husband was attending church as an official duty. I was saying the couples do have to interact officially so rumors of infidelity are more problematic than they would be if Rose was just another wealthy woman from Norfolk. So both couples have more than the usual vested interest in debunking rumors.
xxxxx said…
SwampWoman said...
but the multiple PR reports from the past week certainly seems to indicate to me that returning to the public may be imminent. An alternative view may be that she is reminding the RF of how unpleasant she can be, so pay up, suckers.
I certainly hope that Nutty is correct and she is out, but I don't know that she will disengage the claw that easily.


As Prince Phillip advised Harry. "You step out with actresses. You don't marry them" Harry ignored this timeless counsel. Current situation is that minimal actress Cringe has no income to spend on things except via Harry. Her couture spendarella days, swanning around so publically are done. Charles financed those manic days due to him seeing a sympatico eco-warrior (I know this is nuts) and a heroic woman of colour. Charles has dropped her and Harry never touches his 20-40 million pound inheritance. The Royale spongers paid nothing for Vancouver. So Megs would love to be gone after child number two but she needs to secure that lifetime income stream. And Hapless is fool enough to impregnate her again to double the (eventual) divorce trouble.

Also, all of Megs efforts to set up a grande money pipeline via the Sussex Foundation have failed. Hollywood pals have ghosted her. Their money has ghosted her. Thus money is kinda tight for them. So tight they might have to bunk at Froggies Moore.

Yes, her claws will be her difficult to disengage. Think blackmail for Hapless dunce and entire RF, books, leaking via her various friends and PR outlets. Megs can make/threaten a super mess just when the RF has the Andrew revelations to contend with plus the Queens frail old age.
Girl with a Hat said…
there's a new tweet from TorontoPaper1 about Meghan:

Darling, trying to be unfaithful again? Do you think that helps you in the negotiations? Didn't you learn from before?
Kate said…
Daily Mail has pictures of the Cambridges with HMTQ at church in Sandringham this morning. Three important things to note:
1. Michael and Carole Middleton are there.
2. The Queen and Kate are both in purple.
3. Several friends, including Rose Hanbury, also joined.

The Crown knows how to send a message, and they don’t need PR firms, cheap tabloids, and nasty false gossip to do it. Go fake yourself, Meghan.
Mischief Girl said…
@Elle, TEA!

Now you're speaking my language! I just sat down at the table and am perusing the last 22 comments (as I type this blog page is up to 222 comments) while enjoying my morning caffeine.

I heartily recommend loose leaf tea, but I'm an unrepentant tea snob. I have an individual sized tea pot, with a strainer insert. Adagio Teas is a good brand which you can buy on line. California brand Peet's Coffee and Tea was phenomenal, but a few years ago they must have sold off the tea part because they started sending a different brand, so I abandoned them.

Adagio has a very nice Earl Grey Bravo, which I can recommend. They also have an Earl Grey Moonlight which has vanilla tones that it too "off tradition" for me personally, but others love it (per their reviews).

Boil your water. Place two heaping teaspoons (from an actual teaspoon, not a measuring teaspoon) of loose leaf tea in the strainer insert. One teaspoon is for you, the second is "for the pot". Cover with the just boiled water. Let seep for 4 minutes, then pull the strainer from the tea.

Pour and enjoy.

I don't add milk, but I do have a small pinch of a sweetener.

I can also recommend Adagio's Irish Breakfast Tea and their Scottish Breakfast Tea.

I don't post here much, but I check the comments daily. It's nice to see you back, as I enjoy your comments very much.

******
And to ensure there is some Sussex content in my comment:

Sadly it appears the Harkles' 6-week hiatus may be winding down. I have so enjoyed them being gone! Our world is not improved by hearing how she helped someone take a selfie.

One thing that I don't think I've seen mentioned with $mirkle's merching various products, especially the jewelry, is that she is seen with relatively inexpensive pieces that we great unwashed can afford. I see Kate wearing absolutely massive diamond necklaces to formal, state events, and then I see $mirk with a necklace that has an astrological sign on it, or tiny, stackable rings. I find the difference hilarious. Kate gets the heavy-hitting jewels, and our narc ... doesn't.

Also, personally, I find the fact that she had her engagement ring completely redesigned so offensive to Harry. He clearly put a lot of thought into the ring. How exactly does one start the conversation "I want a different ring, but we can use the diamonds you gave me, I suppose"?

Little Archie is adorable. Photoshopped or not, he is clearly (to me) the same baby we've seen before, with Archbishop Tutu and with the christening photo. I think they've lied about the circumstances of his birth, but I do think he's the same baby.
Girl with a Hat said…
so I think that Meghan is either hitting the casting couch or trying to raise money by selling the only thing she thinks she has that is valuable - her talents between the sheets. Sad, really. Why such low self-esteem?

Narcs are notorious for making everything about themselves. They will come to a party and it will turn into a party for them. They will then share all the information about their private lives, like favourite drinks, their clothing, recipes, and a lot of information about their families. Everyone will think how wonderful they are. But, as soon as they get home, in the privacy from the public, they will demean their loved ones and anyone else they think is eclipsing them. It holds for Meghan, but for so many people in our daily lives. So, don't be fooled by people and observe and analyse their behaviours or you will become the victim of a narc.

And woe and behold the poor person who surpasses them in any way...
Unknown said…
"My father always wanted to be the corpse at every funeral, the bride at every wedding, and the baby at every christening."--Alice Roosevelt Longworth.
I am the daughter of a narc mother, and this sums it up for me. Happy New Year, Nutty and Nuttiers.
CatEyes said…
@Princess Mrs. B said:

>>>I can't imagine any woman, regardless of position, being that forgiving and inviting the "other woman" into her inner circle and her home.<<<

A leopard doesn't change its spots, so to think Kate would suddenly not only be chummy with Rose but invite her to her home *for b'day celebration) it is ludicrous in light of how Kate has historically been so jealous of other women about Will previously. Regardless of that prior history, what would the majority of women feel? "Noooooo I'm not going to invite that damn slut over for tea and crumpets" (unless she poisons Rose' earl grey tea with arsenic.

For those who say Rose may not have been invited to hang out with Kate, well the fact remains they are at Church together (another unlikely scenario if Rose dillydallied under the sheets with Rose). I doubt Will would do that to Kate, and even less likely he would rub his alleged paramour in his wife's nose.Not to mention Kate should be nominated for sainthood if she got anywhere near Rose (the adultress) without a heavy brick to bash her aristocratic skull in.
CatEyes said…
whoops sorry typo..should read "dillydallied with Will"
Girl with a Hat said…
Rose and Kate were such good friends that Kate encouraged William to have lunch or drinks with her alone. I think the narrative about Kate being jealous or possessive is completely wrong.

Also, they did take up Kate's offer and were seen lunching together in a restaurant. That is where the rumours started, with Meghan as a midwife to the entire slandering campaign.
CookieShark said…
I had never heard rumors of an affair before a certain someone joined the family.does anyone know if this story was around before that?
CatEyes said…
@Mischi said:

>>> I think the narrative about Kate being jealous or possessive is completely wrong. <<,<

I only reported the accounts of when Kate was dating Will. Perhaps she matured (hopefully and to be expected) and feels more secure so she doesn't do the "death stares" at other women. But a leopard (and human) doesn't change its spots.
CatEyes said…
Here is a quote regarding Kate circa 2011

"Lady Victoria, a socialite-turned-reality show performer whom one British tabloid titled “the Was Girl,” adds with a vulpine smile, “She was giving death stares to friends of mine or any girl that came near him, she was like, ‘Block them off.’ ”
CatEyes said…
@Mischi

Maybe you didn't understand my point originally..it was that Kate is being friendly with Rose Because she is not jealous (as there is nothing to be jealous about). Geesh!
Henrietta said…
xxxxx said...

I certainly hope that Nutty is correct and she is out, but I don't know that she will disengage the claw that easily.

Current situation is that minimal actress Cringe has no income to spend on things except via Harry. Her couture spendarella days, swanning around so publically are done...Charles has dropped her and Harry never touches his 20-40 million pound inheritance...Also, all of Megs efforts to set up a grande money pipeline via the Sussex Foundation have failed. Hollywood pals have ghosted her. Their money has ghosted her. Thus money is kinda tight for them. So tight they might have to bunk at Froggies Moore...

xxxxx, How do you know what you know? I'm not chalenging what you've asserted, but I'm just really curious how you got such inside info. Also, do you know about her British visa status? There was a rumor on DM that it was cancelled.
Anonymous said…
TP is a troll account and probably expects Meghan to be pregnant again soon; they are setting up the next year or troll comments where they will suggest or say outright that Harry isn’t the father. Once she gets pregnant again, a lot of people will jump off the treason/contract wife/Harry isn’t involved story line.

Trolls have to stay relevant and they will need to continue their troll storyline to keep people interested in their soap opera.
Anonymous said…
@Sandie Regarding Ms. Markle and her drug use. Someone who passes out marijuana cigarettes as wedding favors is no stranger to drugs. And there are numerous pictures out there with Harry pictured stumbling drunk to more than indicate that at the very least he has issues with alcohol.
Anonymous said…
@henrietta what view from where and why did she need one? She doesn’t need a visa. TP is always vague and short on details.
Anonymous said…
What visa not view
Anonymous said…
@wizardwench respectfully correcting you that someone who passes out marijuana at their wedding in Jamaica
Is no stranger to marijuana or Jamaica.
Unknown said…
Wild Boar Battle-maid and Elle, well said indeed about PG and his tartan trousers. He's 6, going on 7 years old. There are different stages of life for aristocratic families and I know for a fact Catherine knows what its all about. The children still need to have childhood days, nothing wrong with that
Girl with a Hat said…
@Drabredcarpet, that's funny because I think you're a troll account.
Hikari said…
Sandie,

I would like to be able to believe with absolute confidence that Archie’s parents are both clean living and living a holistic semi vegan drug free yogi lifestyle. Or that Meg has been the positive influence on Harry she claims. But we’ve had two years now to learn that Meg’s actions and words tend to be the opposite from what her PR proclaims. So the more I read about her abstemious, healthful life, the more I inclined to think she’s snowing us all. We have had plenty of indications that she and Harry are using something other than green tea and kale smoothies based on how many times they have appeared in public separately and together visibly altered. Harry is an acknowledged
user and heavy drinker in the past. I think Meg would want to keep him dependent on substances and much easier to control. I think it was drugs and sex that brought them together and drugs at least remain their common hobby.
Henrietta said…
DrabRedCarpet, Because MM isn't a UK citizen, she needs a visa to stay in the UK. Around the holidays, one long-time DM poster claimed her British visa had been cancelled and it wouldn't be renewed.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Hikari, I agree.

I recently came to the conclusion that Soho House is playing a very big role in the Harkles' marriage. I read that Harry was a member much longer than Meghan, and that they may have met there. Also, it's been said that Harry is hiding at Soho House in Turkey, which would make sense because he used the same hat on Archie that his Turkish, polo player friend used on his daughter in his instagram post about her.
Emily said…
This PR push to make us believe they are in Canada is just getting ridiculous. The more puff pieces they put out, the more you start to question them. Haven't they heard of less is more? Are they testing the waters to see the publics reaction to each story? If that's the aim, they have a lot of work to do as the public are not buying it and the vast amount of comments on each story are negative.

It's been said that the mountain scene behind Harry holding Archie is actually in Turkey. A picture of the mountains at that spot and Harry's photo were overlapped and they matched. Too much smoke and mirrors when it comes to this couple.

Have to agree with what's already been said about Rose Hanbury being at the church with the Queen, the Middletons and William and Kate. A brilliant move to show there was never an affair and Rose hasnt been kicked out of their social circle. Though reading the comments on this story, those megbots are saying this is the same as Charles and Camilla where Diana had to accept Camilla, and Kate has to accept Rose. Cant see William doing that to Kate, knowing what affect it had on his mother.

Fairy Crocodile said…
@Drabredcarpet. American citizens do not need UK visa for tourist or business in UK if they stay for 6 months or less. If they plan to reside they do need to apply for a permit. I should think MM has a family visa
Henrietta said…
Mischi, Wherever Harry is, I think we can safely rule out Turkey. He'd have to be brain-dead to travel there after serving in Afghanistan and being on an al-Qaeda hit list. And if he is brain-dead, I think the BRF would have stopped that train before it left the station. The Turks probably really would arrest him for drug possession and then play hard ball about what they wanted in exchange for making the arrest go away.
Henrietta said…
I followed one of the links posted on here the other day, and it led to a Twitter or Instagram page where someone had posted bay-side views of a property in the neighborhood of PH's "borrowed" mansion. The view was identical with the background in PH's picture with Archie. (It came from a realtors' website.) Then, when I learned there was a posh rehab clinic about 6 miles from mansion, I felt comfortable going along with the simplest explanation: PH was in Canada, in that neighborhood, for rehab. Maybe MM was supposed to join him -- that is, stay at that mansion with Archie while PH was in treatment -- but something intervened or prevented that. If her British visa or residency "permit" was cancelled, it must have been for a damn good reason. And I can see that same reason causing her to be denied entry into Canada.
Anonymous said…

@Swampwoman, whew, then Rach may not be scheduled to roll up on scene yet. That's good news!

I certainly hope that Nutty is correct and she is out, but I don't know that she will disengage the claw that easily.

There was a photo of Rach, a new one I hadn't seen, and I swear, the claw has grown! It was in full T-Rex position, too! I wish I could remember where it was, I'd share the link because really, it's bigger lol.


@Mischief Girl, it's great to see you here, too. I didn't quit reading Nutty's posts, just wanted to take a break from the "other" stuff. Thank you for the tea tips, too! Earl Grey is the best (with cream, sometimes a splash of lavender) How large is your individual teapot? In order to relate this to the BRF, I'll add that HMTQ drinks Earl Grey according to stories online, so it seemed a decent choice, but there are tricks to making it best, so thank you!


@DrabRed, Agreed re the TP accounts and some of the others - they may or may not have some tea to share, but in general, I think they diminish the genuine issues surrounding Rachel. I find them rather embarrassing to the cause, but of course, there's not really "a cause" and each of us can decide what we choose to read. Still, the whole treason/backers/etc. thing is too much for me. The "where there's smoke, there's fire" theory is a dangerous logical fallacy because it all depends on the circumstances re the fire and who is helping to fan it, but who knows.


@Henrietta, lolol so tight they might have to bunk at Froggies Moore... Agreed re the money. Your entire comment was fun to read the way you wrote it.
SwampWoman said…

I would like to be able to believe with absolute confidence that Archie’s parents are both clean living and living a holistic semi vegan drug free yogi lifestyle. Or that Meg has been the positive influence on Harry she claims. But we’ve had two years now to learn that Meg’s actions and words tend to be the opposite from what her PR proclaims. So the more I read about her abstemious, healthful life, the more I inclined to think she’s snowing us all. We have had plenty of indications that she and Harry are using something other than green tea and kale smoothies based on how many times they have appeared in public separately and together visibly altered. Harry is an acknowledged
user and heavy drinker in the past. I think Meg would want to keep him dependent on substances and much easier to control. I think it was drugs and sex that brought them together and drugs at least remain their common hobby.


Hikari, perhaps you have them all wrong and they were industriously collecting cleansing crystals in Canada (or LA) to exorcise the negative vibes from Froggie Cottage, maybe from all of England. Bwahahaha.

Seriously, I believe that if they appear separately, either he has broken away or been broken away from her (alleged) malignant influence. Again, I do not see her agreeing to this.

/Note to self: Must collect cleansing crystals, whatever they are, and add them to my Etsy site with the wagon wheel table embellished with fossilized sea creatures that came from consciously uncoupled couples.



Anonymous said…
>> fossilized sea creatures that came from consciously uncoupled couples.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 the fossils are a nice touch!
Fairy Crocodile said…
DO you know that Frogmore Cottage used to house lots of little frogs that repelled Queen Victoria? She found them "quite disgusting" after having breakfast there one morning, presumably with Abdul. Abdul Karim, Victoria's hugely unpopular secretary, lived there with his wife who suffered from the ill health.

After 1917 Grand Duchess Ksenia, daughter of Alexander III and sister of the last Tzar of Russia resided in the cottage. Reportedly it was quite a mess then, because she was not used to taking care of herself and didn't have many servants she was previously used to.

After she moved to the Wilderness House at Hampton Court Palace, Frogmore Cottage was used to house the Windsor estate workers.

Does this sound like a glamorous place chosen to show a special favor from the Queen?
Miggy said…
What do you all make of this?

https://www.newidea.com.au/meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-shock-secret-split
Anonymous said…
@mischi I don’t care what you think. Let’s call it even.

The visa. I wasn’t thinking visa to England m. Thanks. Still vague.
Fedde said…
@Miggy

From the article:

"While the couple have continued to put on a united front, it can now be revealed that behind palace walls, Meghan and Harry have been struggling privately to cope with the pressures that come with being a world-famous couple."

Yet the alleged selfie couple claim they didn't recognize her at first. So much for world famous. If the selfie incident happened at all, MM must have been devastated they didn't curtsy upon laying eyes on her.
Pantsface said…
Off topic, sorry, but it tickles me that people think us Brits sip Earl grey tea from a china cup with our pinkies out :) No one I know drinks earl Grey except a pretentious ex manager - Builders tea all the way!
CookieShark said…
Does anyone know MM's last appearance? Was it Remembrance day?

I'm not counting the Christmas card.

And I agree, if she was truly hiking with "H" and her dogs, I believe we would see a picture of them altogether to put an end to the rumors about Guy and the rumors about them splitting.
Miggy said…
@Fedde,

With all the links that have been established about the 'selfie couple'... I think it's fair to say most of us view that story as absolute BS!!
Miggy said…
@Unknown,

Ditto!
I'm partial to Yorkshire tea myself. Nice and strong and not milky! :)
Anonymous said…
@Unknown, well, I have loved Earl Grey for years, but I just know I'm not making it well. I'll make sure to pull the pinkie in lol.
Anonymous said…
See Unknown and Miggy, that was why I was asking: I know that there is good English tea out there, but I'm not sure which ones, so I would love some tips re the English teas. Hojicha and Genmaicha are great, but not the same.
wizardwench: for further observations on the matter of whacky baccy, Colombian Marching Powder or whatever is their preference, see what HarryMarkle has to say about it apparently revealing itself on the wedding day, -

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2018/05/23/things-that-you-may-have-missed-with-this-wedding/
SwampWoman said…
Wandering away from the Markles into tea territory: Are there no lapsang souchong tea lovers here? I've been a lapsang souchong drinker since I was a teen. Sadly, it is not and has not been available at any tea seller near me. I used to have to pick up a year's worth of lapsang souchong at a time from Disney World (now that's dedication if you know just how much I hate crowds of rude people from around the world and Disney won't even let me in with so much as a club to poke people away unless I buy it at a souvenir stand). I abase myself at Jeff Bezos' feet because I no longer have to pay roughly all my money just to get into the dang park plus the inflated Disney store price for 8 boxes of tea. You don't think I'd get to (or want to) go to Disney by myself, do you? No, no, no, I carried the kids, their friends, and SwampMan just for my lapsang souchong fix in pre-internet shopping days.
Anonymous said…
I love tea. My favorite is twinings lemon and honey plain
Anonymous said…
Who knows if this is all true about TQ, but interesting:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/what-the-queen-eats-and-drinks-breakfast-lunch-dinner-a7602121.html
Fairy Crocodile said…
A light version for summer is Orange Pekoe. It is very refreshing tea. Apparently Queen's favorite Fortnum and Mason stocks a special variety for posh people
Miggy said…
@Elle,

https://teahow.com/builders-tea/

This is how I like my tea - minus the sugar! :)

Anonymous said…
Ha, @Fairy Crocodile, I googled your fav and found this. Fortnum and Mason did a Christening Blend for Prince George! It sounds delicious, especially this part: "best enjoyed with traditional shortbread, or a generous slice of Victoria Sponge."

https://www.fortnumandmason.com/products/new-christening-blend-tea-25-tea-bags
Anonymous said…
@Miggy, Yum! That sounds sooooooo good. Do you use bags? How long does it steep? Cup or pot? Do you have cookies and sandwiches with it? (Those always seem like such a good idea!)

And do you think this sounds like a pretty accurate breakdown:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/716253/British-people-cup-of-tea-preference-milk-no-sugar-study-revealed

The Queen's transition from tea for breakfast to a pre-lunch cocktail sounds good, too. I wish...
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Elle Well done! A proper Victoria sponge (not too sweet, fluffy and with a good serving of proper homemade jam inside) is absolutely delicious with a nice cup of tea.

I am imagining the Queen having a cup of tea with a friend, big hats, small table, thin porcelain cups, a gorgeous Victoria sponge. "Yes darling, you are right, today's young just don't have any appreciation for simple things in life".
Anonymous said…
@Fairy Crocodile, Victoria sponge sounds like a 5th and necessary food group! OMG! And what an image? What pattern of china?


BTW, Fairy Crocodile just sounds fabulous, a brilliant sparkly green with magical accoutrements. Such a happy image! Do you wear flowers on your hat as well :) (I'd like to think so).


Okay, last tea thing, but inspired again by HMTQ & Earl Grey, this: https://www.theteamakers.co.uk/blog/guide-to-earl-grey-tea.html


@Swampwoman, they have other varieties, too. Maybe you & Jeff could unconsciously uncouple? (No judgment from me re Amazon though. I thought about putting Jeff as my emergency contact for work, I'm with him so much lol)
Miggy said…
@Elle,

Will make this my last comment on tea as we have gone waaaay off topic! LOL

Personally, I use tea bags. I always warm my cup/mug first before adding the bag, boiling water and finally the milk. Then I let it steep/stew for about 2-3 mins until it reaches the desired colour. (similar colour to the 2nd photo in article you posted)

I gave up sugar in my late 20s and don't often eat biscuits but if I do, they will be either Rich Tea or Ginger Nuts.

The article you posted: Pretty accurate I would say! :)
Pantsface said…
@miggy @elle - agree with you Miggy, no sugar! Nothing posh for us, no fortnum and Masons, heaven forbid lol, as if the average Brit can afford to shop there :) I and many others are so precious about our tea, we take our own teabags on holiday because no matter where we go, Europe or further afield, no one can do it. I remember finding a shop in Spain that sold PG tips, my holiday was complete :)
Royal Fan said…
@Swamp Woman
I drink Tupelo Tea’s Lapsang Souchong. You can get it shipped to you. Capital Tea also has a good one available for shipping through their online store.

In reference to the earl grey and brits thing, Starbucks started that when they named an Earl Grey Latte a “London Fog” so now all Americans associate earl grey with London 😂🤣😂🤣. We do love our overpriced coffee and tea in a to go cup through a drive through window in the US.

Anybody have a good link for the video of Megs jaw problem? I’d like to see and give an opinion.
Pantsface said…
@miggy @elle - agree with you Miggy, no sugar! Nothing posh for us, no fortnum and Masons, heaven forbid lol, as if the average Brit can afford to shop there :) I and many others are so precious about our tea, we take our own teabags on holiday because no matter where we go, Europe or further afield, no one can do it. I remember finding a shop in Spain that sold PG tips, my holiday was complete :)
Anyway, sorry to digress from the thread
KayeC said…
Anyone want to bet that there will be a MM puff piece up before the end of the day? Either that or another rumor about the Cambridges? Can't have PW and DoC getting all the coverage, with family and RH to put gossiping hearsay to rest.
Anonymous said…
@KayeC: MM puff piece up before the end of the day and another rumor about the Cambridges --- doubling down and going both.

CookieShark said…
Deep diving in the internet today, found this Page Six article from 2016.

Back when they were dating, MM asked for time off from "Suits." Is this similar to needing time off from royal duties?

The article:

After Prince Harry defended his new girlfriend Meghan Markle from what he called a “wave of abuse and harassment,” Page Six has learned that the actress has asked for time off from filming her TV show. Insiders say the beauty has told her bosses that she needs to skip filming for her USA Network show “Suits” in Toronto this week because she has “something important to do.”
The reason for the absence is being kept a closely guarded secret, but insiders speculate that Markle is meeting with lawyers to help manage her turbulent and sudden rise to international fame. Insiders say Markle, who has starred on “Suits” for six years, may be struggling to come to terms with the overwhelming attention.
Miggy said…
@Unknown,

"I and many others are so precious about our tea, we take our own teabags on holiday because no matter where we go, Europe or further afield, no one can do it. I remember finding a shop in Spain that sold PG tips, my holiday was complete."

This is so true!!! LOL
xxxxx said…
A blast from the Past (2018) (Blame it on Botswana) (from the harrymarkle blog and site)
It's Meghan and Haz! Royal bride-to-be gave Harry his new nickname weeks after their first meeting - and it WASN'T a blind date, says her friend and advisor
Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, 52, travelled the world with Meghan as her agent
Weeks before the Royal wedding she lifts the lid on her and Harry's romance
She says Meghan, 36, nicknamed future husband, 33, 'Haz' weeks after they met
Gina says it was their holiday together to Botswana that sealed the deal

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2018/05/23/things-that-you-may-have-missed-with-this-wedding/
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Miggy, I think they have been spending time apart on this break. When they first got engaged I gave it 3 years, tops. Meghan wanted a rich English guy but she chose poorly for her character and personality. She would have been much better suited to an arrangement like Diana's father Earl Spencer and Raine Dartmouth. Raine definitely drove the bus and Johnny allowed her to control everything. He was a rich aristocrat with great social connections but weak, ineffectual, and dim-witted. That suited Raine just fine and she took over the running of the house, selling off precious paintings and artifacts to keep Althrop running and her steely determination may have saved his life when he had a devastating stroke. The kids thought she was a hideous bitch for the way she acted but Johnny adored her for it and let her do as she pleased.

Yes, Harry is everything Johnny Spencer was as far as being weak, ineffectual, dim-witted and rich but with Harry comes the need to conform and to be controlled by the strictures of the BRF and it's courtiers, as well as never ending responsibilities within the Royal fishbowl. Therein lies the rub. Meghan was never going to conform. She was raised by 2 hippie parents who encouraged her to rebel if she didn't like something and she was used to getting her own way. I believe that she actually thought she could change the BRF just like she (supposedly) got Proctor & Gamble to change the damn soap commercial. She may have hooked the biggest fish in the kingdom but that decision falls squarely into the "be careful what you wish for" category.
xxxxx said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5589993/Meghan-Markles-friend-Gina-Nelthorpe-Cowne-reveals-Harry-romance.html >>>>>> Correct (April 2018) URL for what I posted above and lots more detail within

___________________


It's Meghan and Haz! Royal bride-to-be gave Harry his new nickname weeks after their first meeting - and it WASN'T a blind date, says her friend and advisor
Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, 52, travelled the world with Meghan as her agent
Weeks before the Royal wedding she lifts the lid on her and Harry's romance
She says Meghan, 36, nicknamed future husband, 33, 'Haz' weeks after they met
Gina says it was their holiday together to Botswana that sealed the deal
Miggy said…
@Princess Mrs.B,

I can't disagree with anything you wrote. Perfect!
Royal Fan said…
Found a video of the jaw behavior you were referring to earlier. Looks to be awake bruxism with some tongue thrusting. Yes definitely more common in those who use or abuse any sort of legal or illegal amphetamines. Also cocaine and other stimulant drugs. Has to do with dopamine. Also stress can bring this on so this could simply be a nervous stress response from her in those public settings. Hard to say without more of her pertinent details. For instance, she may take prescription amphetamines for “celebrity ADHD” aka weight loss like the rest of holly wood legally so this would be an expected side effect. She may also be habitually flipping a retainer off her teeth in a similar comforting nervous gesture when she’s nervous in public. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
Fedde said…
@xxxxx

So he went from Harry to Haz to H? If they're still together in a year there won't be any letters left for a nickname.
Princess Mrs. B said…
OMG, @Fedde, now that is funny and so true! Thanks for the laugh.

Where is this coming from that Meghan nicknamed him Haz? Chelsey called him Haz all the time.
Hikari said…
Lots of goodies to comment upon!

Re. The public rapproachment with Rose H.

No one can know what goes on behind closed doors in a marriage, though whatever is going on behind closed doors in the Suxxit union is fun to speculate upon and the entire reason we are here innit. So I have Smegs and Hapless to thank for introducing me to all you fine people and giving us so many stimulating hours of entertainment. Were it not for Archie, I’d love for the show to run forever. It will be in his best interest, whoever and wherever he is now for the curtain to come down swiftly on Meghan’s Sham Show.

William and Kate are human and I am sure they struggle from time to time like all couples. I cannot conceive of Wills cheating, particularly with his wife’s best friend. This public show of solidarity with the butt of Markle’s rumor will _I hope put an end to the matter. I am disinclined to believe it, nit only because of William’s Views toward his father cheating on his mom, but also because Narcs like Meg project their own qualities on other people. MeGain has documented history of bedhopping while supposedly in committed relationships. Fidelity is an unknown quantity to her, so she smears her rival with the same behavior she defaults to every time. Meg is a cheat and a
liar, So as far as I’m concerned, If she’s the source of this rumor, I’m confident that it’s false.

In the recent opening of Parliament, the liveried gentleman processing in front of HM bearing the Crown of State was Rose’s husband, the Marchioness of Chomondley. His position is referred to as “the Butler of England”...I’m blanking on the correct title, can someone help me out? So it would appear that he is highly esteemed in the House of Lords and more than just a rock and roll dilettante. Nice looking too, from what I could tell. This does not preclude his wife having an affair with the future king of England, but I just assume not roll around in the gutter with Meg’s Petty filthy little mind.
Royal Fan said…
@XXXXX
Meghan ghosted someone! I’m shocked I tell you! Absolutely shocked! She would never do that!!

@ Fedde
That’s a good one!! She doesn’t love to copy people!
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Hikari, the Marquess of Cholmondeley is also the Lord Great Chamberlain of the UK. He will hold that rank as long as the Queen's reigns.
Miggy said…
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Hikari said…
Xxxxx,

I wander what Tom Inskip would have to say about Meg’s claim the she is the inventor of the nickname Haz. I’ve been following Harry since he was inside his mother and I know for a certainty that Harry was christened Haz (Short for Hazza) at Eton by his sporting buddies. Rugby, I seem to recall. It is a time honored English schoolboy tradition particularly among jocks to nickname each other using Some variant of their given name + azza or Ezza. I believe this comes from Chav street nicknames in order to bolster They are coolness credentials. American youth like to use Street nicknames too In order to seem tough, but Hazza Or Shezza what have you is not an American thing. So the idea that Harry’s Hollywood bimbo girlfriend invented Hazza after knowing him for all of five minutes, and not his schoolmates who’d known him since the age of 12 it’s frankly beyond Ludicrous. Meg couldn’t come up with an original name If her life depended on it, but if she gave him a nickname, allowing for her other distain for British culture in any form, she would’ve called him something woke and Hollywood, not Hazza. I think I have a good bead on how it passes for Megan’s mind works... Spending time with Harry ‘s friends, All of him took an immediate dislike to her, she was jealous of Harry’s camaraderie with his mates, who no doubt call him Haz all the time. So she appropriated it, Rather like she did with “Archie”, PGs call sign with the RPOs. After announcing it in the worldwide media That both names were her invention, she has effectively stolen them From their originators.
Royal Fan said…
https://news.yahoo.com/kate-middleton-heads-church-chic-190459089.html

The title is “Kate heads to church in a chic coat and boots she’s owned since 2013”

This is the stuff that throws subtle shade at MM and why I just adore Kate. She brought Rose along too 😂😂😂
Hikari said…
Mrs. B

Lord Chamberlain, yes, thank you. I had a brain fart. Rose’s husband Has an important and high profile job, albeit at mostly at ceremonial occasions. It could be successfully argued I believe, that the Lord great Chamberlain of Great Britain is more important in the scheme of things then Queen’s grandson, #6, And certainly more than said grandson’s wife. Yet another reason to throw petrel on Meg’s desire to smear Rose, a woman much younger and more beautiful to boot.

What an empty frozen and howling wasteland is Meg’s inner self.
Royal Fan said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7853479/Back-saddle-Zara-Tindall-contain-smile-takes-charity-polo-match.html

Zara Tindall is raising money for Australian fires in Australia right now
xxxxx said…
Major shade thrown, Royal Fan, as you said. I think Wills and Catherine are not into "mean", hardly well versed in this. Were not raised this way. But are smart enough to go along with their PR advisors to do this. To respond in kind to H&M or look stupid in the insta-twitter era we live in.
Anonymous said…
"What an empty frozen and howling wasteland is Meg’s inner self." - Perfect. When you write that book, @Hikari, pls use this line again. It's perfect.
xxxxx said…
Hikari

Very nice and true analysis of the H&M and Royale situation Hikari. I am saying to acknowledge in my own way. I could not type all that. That you said. : )

And into the xxx-xxx zone is that all people want acknowledgment, babies and everyone too. How are-were Megs and Haps holding (acknowledging) their baby out in Vancouver?
Mischief Girl said…
@Elle, My personal size tea pot holds 3 cups of water, enough for two good size cups of tea with breakfast. Then, if I'm being good, I'm done with caffeine for the day.

@Unknown, All my English cousins despite Earl Grey! Not sure what they have in the morning, but I do know that afternoon tea is almost always Lapsang Souchong, with a slice of lemon.
Mischief Girl said…
@SwampWoman, Adagio Teas has Lapsang Souchong. Check them out on line! Bezos doesn't need any more of your money.
Mischief Girl said…
@Hikari--Yes, thank you for pointing out that $mirkle isn't the first to call Harry "Haz".

And what happened to her calling him "H"? Gag.

Harry has been known as Haz for years before $mirks showed up.
KayeC said…
@Elle, can you ask your BFF if I can borrow that coat/outfit she wore today. It was gorgeous, love the cut and color combo. She and Sophie have been wearing great hats lately.

@Drabredcarpet, I also love Twinnings Lemon and Honey. Here in the South, there seems to be only two types of tea, sweet or unsweet, served chilled over ice. I have never, ever liked that tea and was so happy to discover hot tea! I hate to admit I was so clueless my husband had to show me how to make it, but at least my boys will grow up slightly more sophisticated than I did, lol.
Anonymous said…
@Mischief Girl and Hikari -- it seems like Rach hijacked his existence (Haz didn't exist before her) and wiped his old life (family & friends) away, and the nickname is just one of the ways she did it. I don't know if that New Idea article on their split has any basis in reality, but it sure seems like it might.

Also, totally OT, I'm going to have to measure my teapot.
Anonymous said…
@KayeC, I will certainly ask my BFF as soon as I see her ;) Did you notice that on Christmas the female contingent (other than TQ) wore the Kate headbands, too? Totally team gear.

I think it is in these little ways that they express themselves. They managed the Rose issue today without breaking a sweat, too. As I said previously, I think they respond to Rach&H's spewing by bringing the facts and dispassionately addressing the issue, and this seems to be a stellar example of that.
CatEyes said…
Just made two donations for Australia's animals and it was easy with one site, WIRES converting US money to AU dollars. For safety concerns, they did use Pay Pal as an option.

It was heartbreaking seeing the burned koalas with their little paws bandaged and their fur singed. They estimate maybe 8,000 koalas have been killed and a billion in animal losses.
KayeC said…
@Elle, thanks,and yes, the headbands on the York girls were a nice change and Eugenie especially looked nice in blue. As soon as tiaras become acceptable in public, I will be rocking my HM's wedding kokoshnik replica, lol. Until then, just around the house. Honestly, the headband or tiara for that matter, makes people focus on your face and takes attention off you neck and chest.

I read the New Idea article (is this a british mag?) and I remembered watching a danja zone video that said they were arguing really bad at the WellChild Awards in front of everyone. The article says that this was when it all fell apart, so maybe Ashlee has some kind of inside scoop. Maybe there is a journalist who is investigating but can't get stories in the paper so they feed info to her? Just a guess.
Anonymous said…
I second CatEyes - easy and secure.
Fairy Crocodile said…
CatEyes Great, so many people donate. Unless there is something media is not reporting ordinary people are doing more than the whole royal family with its wealth and pomp. Certainly more than famed humanitarians Dumbartons
@Elle, Reine des Abeilles (I have lots of abeilles in my garden and court them with special flowers.) I thoroughly enjoyed Suits. Some of the acting talent was remarkable but, oh my, when Rachel came on, I left the room to make tea. My late husband used to laugh. I used to drink so much tea that I couldn't sleep. Her expression was always the same. Ditto for her friend Abigail Spencer. One wonders how they were ever picked in the first place, doesn't one?
CatEyes said…
Yes, it is sad the wealthy do not seem to proportionately donate comparable to the little folks. However, I read that Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban donated $500,000, which is a tidy sum for sure! I think the Dumbartons 'should put their money where their mouth is' especially since they got $3 million from Iger with Disney!!!
KayeC said…
To be fair, I don't know if they (BRF) would make public if they had donated money. As head of the COE, I'm not sure HM would give and then make a big deal about it, because that's what the Bible says you shouldn't do. Again, just a guess.
Anonymous said…
@KayeC, really on the DZ? I always assume she's just rehashing what we already know, but I might have to give this a skeptical but hopeful listen!

The York girls did look nice, and i noticed something odd - Bea and Edo have some really similar facial features! Long faces, high foreheads, eyes that can look quite surprised (Bea's more than his, in general), etc. I think he just wears it better. Has Bea ever had bangs, I wonder? I saw Eugenie in bangs, and I thought she looked prettier.
CatEyes said…
@KayC

But publicizing the need by donating can encourage others to donate in my mind. I was motivated by reading a poster here encouraging to donate (not that it didn't cross my mind, but it gave me a mental push).

KayeC said…
@Elle, yes it was 2 months ago, I think it's titled "Prince Harry Under Pressure-Almost Blew It at WellChild." I watch for Ashlee's humor not scoops, but after reading that article, I looked it up and it's one of the first things she talks about. Interesting....
KayeC said…
@CatEyes, I agree with you, just wanted to say that as a Christian and head of the COE, HM may be following what she was taught. Just playing devil's advocate.
Sarah said…
I don’t see how the Queen could endorse one charity or events for donations without having to endorse every worthy cause.
I do wonder if Harry and Meg have split. Something is up. I can’t imagine she’s been out of the spotlight by choice.
CatEyes said…
@Sarah

The Queen does endorse some charities over others as it is. .That is why she is the patron of some organizations and not others; same with other royals, they support some charities but not all.
Anonymous said…
@Lighthealer! Cool on the bees! Mason or regular? Friends of mine raise Mason bees in BC.

I couldn't get past Rach on Suits then, and now, even knowing it is overall a good watch, I just can't, but yes, one does have to wonder how she got that part because it was not acting talent.

And @KayeC, agreed re the money & the BRF (and others because if you're give, you're not supposed to talk about it ... hello Rach & H and that pool Archie donated), so I googled it: https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/almanac/statistics/who-gives

This is only for the US, but I would think the same would hold true in countries with similar wealth/values. That is only a guess. I do know that below stats re the 1% holds true with the rich people I know (and no, I am definitely not one of them, so no one should interpret that as bragging at all).

Anyway, interesting thoughts, and I would think you're right about the donations from the BRF mostly being silent.



The 1 percent

High-income households provide an outsized share of all philanthropic giving. Those in the top 1 percent of the income distribution (any family making $394,000 or more in 2015) provide about a third of all charitable dollars given in the U.S. When it comes to bequests, the rich are even more important: the wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death, according to one study....
The very wealthy, this shows, give away a much larger chunk of their earnings than others. These robust rates of giving are elevated, however, by the extreme generosity of a subset of the rich...many of those gifts are comparatively modest. Others are extraordinarily copious—and these push up the donation average.
Fairy Crocodile said…
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Fairy Crocodile said…
Sarah, Charles is Head of Commonwealth now, used to be the Queen. Australia is member country. It is in distress. Wouldn't you expect the Head to do something a bit more than neatly send condolences? I certainly would. They has plenty of highly paid advisers to help decide where to send the money most efficiently.
KayeC said…
@Fairy Crocodile, but we don't know if she has or hasn't, and like I said, if she has, she's not going to get on social media and tell us how much or where it went. I think your idea of letting people know where to send if they want to donate and how best to help is admirable, and I believe even the Sussex IG or Twitter listed links to donation sites. Not sure what else the Queen could do? And Zara is at polo fundraiser for the area as well.
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Fairy Crocodile, maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but Charles is not Head of the Commonwealth. The Queen is and she will be until she dies (or abdicates, which is highly unlikely). The position is not automatically granted to the current Monarch but in 2018 the 53 Commonwealth members voted to accept Charles as her successor upon the death of the Queen.
CatEyes said…
I can tell you,in my 67 years of life when I lived in California and the Dallas, Texas area when tragedies strike (whether it is house fires, orphans, cancer victims being evicted from homes, etc..it is always the common folk who seem to donate. The rich seem to prefer to donate with their names publicized, even plastered permanently on clinics, hospitals etc... Which I think is good because if it motivates people to donate, well then all the better. I think God knows the heart of the person better than us to judge the motivation of the donor (whether it was for public adulation or sincere giving).
Anonymous said…
@KayeC, Wow! Even if Ashlee's words are disregarded, just watching the video on Harry's face really, really raises questions about what it going on here. Thank you for mentioning that.

For those who've not seen it, Prince Harry Under Pressure-Almost Blew It at WellChild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5y-0JXA54U



KayeC said…
To be honest, since it was mentioned on this blog that there has not been much coverage, I noticed a huge uptick in articles and celebrities calling attention to the fires.....maybe this blog is more influential than we realize, LOL!
CatEyes said…
Anyway, the Dumbartons should get Uncle Elton to plant like 20,000 Eucalyptus trees after the fires are extinguished to offset their carbon emissions with their latest travels.
Fairy Crocodile said…
My apologies, Princess Mrs. B. Charles is to become the next Head of Commonwealth after the Queen. So formally she is in charge still, although I understand after the vote to name him he is assuming more and more responsibilities.
Anonymous said…
@CatEyes, I do not doubt your experience, and my google wasn't an attempt to disprove your opinion. My fact-finding should never be taken as a personal affront, but as an attempt to find additional information to either support or raise questions in the discussion. I value that process, and I was honestly just curious about how the actual facts stacked up because, while there is value in anecdotal evidence, I just enjoy research, so I always look to see if perception/personal experience matches the numbers. Also, one does not negate the other; it can be true that overall rich people donate more, but in your community that is not the case.
Anonymous said…
KayeC, "...maybe this blog is more influential than we realize, LOL!"

I know it's how Kate and I keep in touch lolol
Miggy said…
Re: Ashlee from Danja Zone.

I went to watch her video on the *Well Child Awards* and while she does mention that they were supposedly arguing, she also states that it was Harry's gig and that Meghan arrived late and uninvited. I found that odd - because there is video of them arriving together!!

Then I watched her latest video, (a few hours old) and she claims that Meghan and Markus approached Max Clifford to get some publicity. Well, I'm afraid that's impossible because Max was imprisoned in 2014 and then died in 2017.

So not all her info is correct.
CatEyes said…
@Elle

That's ok, thanks. I didn't take it as an affront. Usually, big causes bring big donors and small causes capture on the attention of local people,
Anonymous said…
:) I just wanted to be sure, @CatEyes.
CatEyes said…
Maybe I should of said "deep pockets" versus "small pockets" lol
Anonymous said…

Narcissist Alert: I just saw on CNN that the Golden Globes have begun, so we'll soon find out if Rach will slither and/or slutpump it onto the stage.
CatEyes said…
I'm thinking if Megs does have any pull with a celebrity (or 'the powers-to-be') then she might get an invite but I'm rather doubtful. I would actually like to see what a mess she might look like (feeling guilty saying that it sounds so mean).

With a Himalayan yak wig, busting out of a summer dress with ticky tacky jewelry and shoes three sizes too big. I can hear her saying as a presenter how much she could relate to the winners because of her successful career in a cable series and her bit parts in film.
CatEyes said…
Definitely, it seems the funding has been slashed for her clothes. I can't remember when she wore an expensive haute couture dress last (maybe that hideous beige bejeweled caftan/tent dress in Morroco).
SwampWoman said…
Well? Has she made a royal entrance?
SwampWoman said…
Back to the Australian fires, I read an article about an Australian couple in their 70s, I believe, that rode out the fire in a shipping container with fireproof panels and @ 20 animals inside. Seems like a good idea.
Anonymous said…


@SwampWoman, not yet, but if she doesn't show, I think that will be quite telling re her fame power / star factor, and if she does show, @Nutty has a topic for tomorrow lol.

CatEyes said…
@SwampWoman

I guess one can't argue with success, and it could of been an act of desperation, but I think with sustained fire, that could have been a pressure cooker for them if it lasted long enough. God Bless them and their animals! I cried today just looking at some pictures and thinking of the horrific effect it had on the wildlife and its devastating effect on the vegetation (not that I didn't think about the loss to humans)
KCM1212 said…
A friend just commented that the "sluterati" have gathered for the Golden Globes. As their queen, Megs should make an appearance.

One tea aside...has anyone tried the flower balls of tea? Once immersed in hot water, a flower unfurls. It's particularly lovely in a glass teapot. Mostly Asian tea blends, but a fun treat for a winter's day.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4COPalSN2Zo

@Hikari did you mention that Archie is/was Prince Georges RPO nickname? Do I have that right? She is beyond scary....she is into "hide the pets" territory!
DesignDoctor said…
@KCMartin "Hide the pets." Glenn Close as the bunny boiler comes to mind. Appropriating the RPO name is just crazy and scary!
KCM1212 said…
Uncle Elton is at the Globes. And bff Ellen.
IEschew said…
Did anyone see Ricky Gervais’ opener to the Globes? No mercy for Hollywood and “woke” hypocrisy. I wish Meghan had been there!
Anonymous said…
So no Rach appearance? Is it over?
abbyh said…

In addition to all the other can you believe this selfie couple story of way too many conveniences ... what person buys a selfie stick and doesn't try it out once you get home?

Why would you wait until you needed to use it to learn how to best use it?

Even if one of them was going to "teach" the other, wouldn't you do this in parking lot where the car is to document the start of your walk?
IEschew said…
@Elle: Not over, but unless she makes a surprise appearance on stage, she isn’t there. Gervais preemptively made a fool of anyone who would stand up there and lecture anyway. I wanted to kiss him.
Anonymous said…

No kidding @IEschew - I just watched it, and I am shocked that hypocrisy was called out for what it is. I'm in shock, and I'd like to kiss him, too. Wow.

I think he summed up the mood of much of the world in about 8 minutes, and what he said distills so much of what we've written about Rach. It's not her color, it's her hypocritical character. And if she did show up, she'd be stupid enough to ... yes, lecture!
KCM1212 said…
@Ieschew ditto on Gervais comments! Loved it.

New Crowns of Britain post on the latest Sussex bullshit
Anonymous said…
@AbbyH Even if one of them was going to "teach" the other, wouldn't you do this in parking lot where the car is to document the start of your walk? Besides, these are young millennials, not senior millennials, so what are the chances that they're using a selfie stick for the first time?
KCM1212 said…
I would love to see video of smirkle all dressed up in an ill-fitting gown, standing outside the GG venue, screaming at the staff to let her in. Don't they know who she is?
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The Cat's Meow said…
Re: the CNN documentary.....so, they just forgot about Kate?!?
Rainy Day said…
KC Martin said…
I would love to see video of smirkle all dressed up in an ill-fitting gown, standing outside the GG venue, screaming at the staff to let her in. Don't they know who she is?

I’m watching the GGs right now, wondering if backstage security have all been given her photo and told to be on the lookout!
SwampWoman said…
CatEyes, I imagine that there are probably a lot of resinous plants that burn quickly and explosively. IF there is sufficient amount of space cleared around the shelter with no fuel for the fire and the shelter is fireproof with a non-combustible roof, it would certainly be better odds than getting caught in a vehicle on a road.

I wonder if there are shelters at the nearest town for taking shelter from fires (like our schools which are built to be hurricane and tornado shelters)?


SwampWoman said…
If CNN says they are going to have the "true" story of the Windsors, I expect it to be a big ol' truckload of bovine excrement. Yeah, I've seen that ad on YouTube (I suppose for those of us that like learning things from real people doing actual projects instead of watching slutty actresses simulating sex.)
Shaggy said…
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KCM1212 said…
@unknown 7:03 I agree totally. "Markle sparkle" indeed!

I would take it one step further and suggest the availability of pot in Jamaica was why she held her wedding there. There are many more beautiful islands in the Caribbean without the reputation of party-hearty Jamaica.
SwampWoman said…
Oh, thank all y'all that gave me suggestions of different companies for Lapsang Souchong. I certainly have tired of finding tea specialty shops and, when asking employees about any Lapsang Souchong, being told that they never heard of it while they stare at me suspiciously as though I had hallucinated the variety or didn't have the name right. While I realize that the person that I interact with is a minimum wage employee, I hoped that at least they would be tea enthusiasts, but no. For some reason, having an 18-year-old telling me suspiciously that they had never heard of it (therefore in their embryonic mind it does not exist) gets on my last nerve. I have to really bite my tongue to keep from telling them "Well, dear, why don't you just tell me what you have heard of? I've got 30 seconds..."
SwampWoman said…
Oh, thanks for the heads up on the Ricky Gervais monologue. That was epic. I wonder when he is going to commit 'suicide'.
DesignDoctor said…
This week's The Crowns of Britain blog content is hilarious as usual.

Is the woman in the pic from the SyFy channel Meghan in red hair?

Catherine looked gorgeous in her coat and hat today on the walk to church. I thought the color combination was more beautiful than the ensemble she wore Christmas Day. Anyone agree? IMO The gray coat, though lovely, washed her out.
Anonymous said…

@DesignDoctor, although this is my BFF that you're dissing here ;), I'll give you a break re: this he gray coat, though lovely, washed her out. and share my theory:

I have noticed that Kate has a tendency to fade away into more subtle outfits when others need to shine. She has done that at Rach's wedding (rewearing a yellow ensemble), she has done that with HMTQ, and I think that is why she chose such a muted color - to let her children shine. It is one reason why I love her.

Layla28 said…
This is my first comment. I tried to read this whole thread to make sure no one else had pointed it out already so please forgive me if I missed it. But regarding Kate’s group of family and friends all attending church with the queen today....remember back in the summer when MM leaked to the press that the queen was throwing her a birthday weekend at balmoral? It proved to be false and made her look ridiculous. Not only do I think they were throwing major shade at the rumors about rose and the affair/feud by having her husband and her attend church with Kate’s parents and the queen. But they also made it look like the queen had invited Kate and her friends and family to celebrate for her weekend birthday with her....just like MM so desperately seemed to want to make happen. What a great birthday gift for Kate....revenge served cold. Clearing up her and william’s reputation and shoving a queen birthday gathering in MM’s face.
Anonymous said…
Hi @Layla28, and welcome!

THAT is such an awesome observation, and I think you are quite right! I hope it was King of Shade William's idea, too!
IEshew, ‘Did anyone see Ricky Gervais’ opener to the Globes? No mercy for Hollywood and “woke” hypocrisy. I wish Meghan had been there!’

I agree it was brilliant and hysterical (I saw it on YouTube)! I noted a few comments in the DM saying ‘Meghan and Harry take note’ , and wishing Meghan was there, and that Meghan’s woke thing was dead in Hollywood (I’m paraphrasing badly!).

Bravo Ricky G!
Tea? I though HM drank Darjeeling, not so much weak as helpless…

My preference is Assam for Builders'Standard. All teas in UK are blended to suit local water (soft or hard) where they are sold, even national brands We’re lucky to have an independent in our region that sells their own a blend of mainly Assam. It’s available loose (need a pot + strainer or good infuser) avoids the plastic problem of `paper’ teabags and without the added-on costs of the big boys.

The main argument is `when to add the milk’? Plebs like me put it in the cup first because my ancestors had poor-quality crockery that might crack under thermal stress. Grand people, who know who their ancestors were and that they used decent porcelain, put the tea in first, then the milk - the Non-U/U distinction.

This is blown out of the water when dunking teabags (never put the milk in first – it’s too cold to brew properly). On the other hand, I’ve heard a Twinings taster say even when you're using a pot, put milk into the cup first, it's something to do with the chemistry between milk protein and tannin. If you want a good cuppa, ignore etiquette.

I affected to drink Earl Grey in my pretentious undergraduate days but really I can’t stand it.
Magatha Mistie said…
Go Ricky Gervais, well said, doubt most of Hollywood understood what he said, some squirmed, others laughed without realising they were laughing at themselves. Us mere mortals enjoyed the fact that someone finally had the guts to tell these twerps what the majority think of them. Bravo.
As for George calling himself Archie, DM had an article in January 2018 where Carole Middleton was out in the woods with George, came across a dog walker & George said his name was Archie.

Regardng tea, Yorkshire, Dilmah or Twinings extra strong English breakfast is the best for builders tea, no sugar, ever, & a drop of milk.
SwampWoman said…
I am up at my usual time making Swampman's 4 cups of Earl Grey tea for work today (with milk, no sugar) along with his low-carb lunch. He brings his to work in a Yeti cup, no extended pinkies.

Swampman retired Friday. So that should be he used to bring his tea to work.

He's probably going to be in the kitchen in a few minutes asking what I've packed him for lunch (grin).
Sandie said…
William and Kate usually attend the Sunday service at Sandringham with the Queen the first Sunday of the year (it is the feast of Epihany) and they usually have friends to stay on that weekend to celebrate Kate's birthday and Rose and her husband have been present before. They did this before Harry met Meghan and will continue to do so. Meghan does not have as much power as people attribute to her.

The monarchy, among other things, is about continuity and tradition. This weekend gathering of friends (long-standing friends, including Rose and her husband) has become what they traditionally do every year.

Meghan and Harry still have to build traditions for themselves (if they stay together long enough for that) and it would be interesting to see what that would be. I'm not talking about something like Trooping the Colour, which is an established tradition for the monarchy, but a tradition they create for themselves, as a couple, with long-standing friends.
Sandie said…
And in 2020, we have the Sussexes going to court, which should be interesting, and very messy. (Meghan seems to be so enthralled with her image of herself that she cannot think reasonably and rationally, and the tabloids feed this with their absurd articles, like calling her a global fashion icon, humanitarian, modern change-maker for the royal family, feminist, most intelligent person in the room, favourite of the Queen, Hollywood actress, and so on.) I would be feeling very confident if I was MOS. Even if Meghan wins on a technicality, how much would/could the jury award her in damages? Would she argue that by damaging her reputation, her role in the BRF was damaged and thus her financial and practical funding from the BRF and taxpayer was cut off? Or that her feelings were so hurt that she had to spend millions on therapy and holidays to recover from stress (doubt that she personally paid for those)? Gosh, that would be a scandalous way to claim damages!

Here are some excerpts from a Daily Beast article (https://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fis-meghan-markles-relationship-with-her-dad-damaged-beyond-repair&t=MWZlMmZhOTY4NjU3NzQwMGRhY2NkZDU4MmE2YjU1MjFmODdhMGJiOCxrOHNkWXFVNg%3D%3D&b=t%3AuFLirz9zRlTzhmhO85K3nw&p=https%3A%2F%2Fcountesscuriosity.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F190098655886%2Fsubmission-omid-knew-about-the-letter&m=0):

A theory has begun to wend its way through some strands of British opinion in the days since that Meghan may have actually wanted the letter to her dad to go public all along.

For example Camilla Tominey, a former royal correspondent who is now executive editor of the Daily Telegraph, none-too-subtly questioned in her weekly newsletter, “why the Duchess sent five pages of such intimate detail to her father last August, at a time when he was leaking a great deal to the press.”

Omid Scobie, royal contributor for ABC’s Good Morning America, went further, directly suggesting Meghan “knew in her heart of hearts that this was going to be released to the papers” adding “many of those things in that letter were written with the public in mind. She very much wanted to set the record straight.”

When Thomas failed to oblige her by leaking the letter, the unsubstantiated extension to this theory goes, perhaps Meghan goaded him into it him by authorizing her friends to disclose the letter’s existence.

It certainly reads in places as if it has been written for a wider audience than just her dad, with some expository phrasing. In reference to her sister Samantha, for example, Meghan writes; “On a daily basis you fixated and clicked on the lies they were writing about me, especially those manufactured by your other daughter, who I barely know…you watched me silently suffer at the hand of her vicious lies, I crumbled inside.”

PaisleyGirl said…
@Sandie, Omid Scobie is also quoted in a new Daily Mail article as saying that a second child is not Meghan and Harry's priority at the moment "due to their packed schedule"(what? Their royal calendar seems to be empty for the next few months, but never mind). They also want to make more trips to Canada and possibly do a tour. So this spectacle is by no means over, it seems...
Miggy said…
Talking of Omid Scobie...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7856191/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-work-Canada-2020-royal-expert-claims.html

He claims she has family in Canada. REALLY??

"'[Canada] is a safe place for the couple - they were able to go unnoticed there for a while,' Omid told the publication.

'It's an important place for Meghan and she has family and friends there. It's also part of the Commonwealth."
Apologies to anyone confused by the word `narc’ when I really should be saying ` a person whose behaviour is consistent with the possibility that she may have a narcissistic personality disorder’. I am not qualified to make that diagnosis and don’t know if anyone qualified has commented on Me-me-me-I’m-the-Queen-of-the-Castle-and-You’re-the-Dirty-Rascal. It could be some form of psychosis of which malignant narcissism is just one manifestation.

I don’t know. Has anyone has come to firm conclusions about the tyrants who have stalked the world stage, cheerfully wiping out swathes of their own people or to liquidating their most loyal lieutenants for failing to laugh loudly enough at the Beloved Leader’s jokes?

I am just an amateur armchair shrink, trying to understand what went on in my own experience. If I’m guilty of `labelling’ and being `judgemental’ - too bad.

What do we call her? `Narcissist’ is too long-winded and suggests superficial gazing- in-the-mirror vanity. NPD is handy but doesn’t pass the diagnosis test – or don’t we care? Would `NPD’ do? Narc, as we’ve seen, suggests narcotics, which may or may not be appropriate.

There’s no term for the damaged and bewildered targets `NPD’s leave behind in their wake. Surely these people are an oppressed group but I haven’t seen any woke SJWs leaping to their defence have you?


Someone was wondering about the causes of narcissistic behaviour. Some of the suggestions, including my own guesses:

Is there something not working right in the brain?
Temporal epilepsy? Addiction to the buzz caused by rage?

Was it something about childhood family dynamics?
Sibling rivalry? Being spoiled rotten as kids by parents who couldn’t say no? Not learning healthy boundaries?

Is it purely behavioural, to get something out of it?
A way of getting whatever one wants by the fearless/those with no conscience.

A bit of each?

I don’t know, just keep googling… `Self-addiction narcissism’ looks promising
A couple of quick thoughts in response to Hikari:

Chav nicknames: Sharon has long been `Shazza'

and

`nobody knows what really goes on between a couple…’ a counsellor once said to me `and very often the couple themselves haven’t a clue either.’
SwampWoman said…
*Folding arms and bowing head in a moment of silence for Canada.* I am sorry for your loss in apparently being chosen as MM's safe space. I extend my deepest condolences. However, I do see rumblings online about a divorce...

Nutty has powers beyond mere mortals.
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Sandie, I agree that she wanted the Thomas Markle letter to be made public. She had cut off all communication with him but needed to use him to get her side of the story out to the public. She most certainly does not subscribe to the royal Never Complain, Never Explain way of doing things as is evidenced by her authorizing 5 friends to speak to People, the teary defense by her hairdresser, the SA interview, cryptic SM posts, etc. The list goes on and on... Also, she expected the letter to be published, not just leaked. Why else would she have taken the time and effort to write it in that ridiculous calligraphy, complete with added flourishes on each word?? Who writes like that? Particularly in a private, anguished letter to a parent. She thinks she is so clever but what she is, is just transparent and highly predictable.
Sandie said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid: 'Apologies to anyone confused by the word `narc’ when I really should be saying `a person whose behaviour is consistent with the possibility that she may have a narcissistic personality disorder’.'

Well said! Please apply the same to me when I use the word 'narc' in reference to Megsy. IOW, I think what she says and does is consistent with that of a malignant narcissist, and sometimes it is the only way to make sense of the mess. (BTW, as I have said before, I do feel sorry for her because she seems incapable of real change and keeps doing the same stuff and ending up in the same mess and blaming everyone else. If she is a malignant narcissist, she cannot change but can mimic change through intensive therapy.)
Fairy Crocodile said…
Nutty was right about the RF kicking them out. Today's DM gem is their plans to "work more" in Canada. And the second child is not a priority due to their horrendous workload.

Be afraid, dear Canadians. Brits gave her a booting and she will now preach and woke in your friendly country.
SwampWoman said…
Princess Mrs. B and Sandie, unless the F-bomb was thrown in there every other word, I have to concur that it was deliberately made for publication. The parts that I read (admittedly not much because of lack of interest in idiocy) read to me as how she imagines royalty would communicate.

“On a daily basis you fixated and clicked on the lies they were writing about me, especially those manufactured by your other daughter, who I barely know…you watched me silently suffer at the hand of her vicious lies, I crumbled inside.”

*sigh* Samantha, do us all a favor and run her over so that she will be crumbled outside, too. "Your other daughter" my a**. She's your sister, fool.
Piroska said…
This is for those who enjoy Earl Grey tea - it was originally blended for the second Earl Grey to suit the water from the spring at Howick Hall the family home of the Greys. If you visit England try a trip to the north-east; the gardens at Howick Hall are open to the public and the Earl Grey tea room in the hall itself serves many varieties of tea.
And as required I do hope that the stay in Canada is extended and that they stay away from UK - sorry Canada but you have moe space in whcih to lose her
Princess Mrs. B said…
Oh how enjoy Nutty and my fellow Nutties! The comments are insightful, informative, thought provoking, and hilarious.

@SwampWoman, I can't stop laughing "Samantha, do us all a favor and run her over so that she will be crumbled outside, too. "Your other daughter" my a**. She's your sister, fool.
Sandie said…
Causes of NPD?

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/causes-of-npd

Early childhood risk factors include:

1. insensitive parenting.
2. over-praising and excessive pampering - when parents focus intensely on a particular talent or the physical appearance of their child as a result of their own self-esteem issues.
3. unpredictable or negligent care.
4. excessive criticism.
5. abuse.
6. trauma.
7. extremely high expectations.

Other possible factors include:

a. abnormalities in the genes that affect the connection between the brain and behaviour
b. being over-sensitive

I can only be confident that Meghan experienced 2 (father really spoiled her and mother filled her head with expectations of being better than everyone else ... note the 'whoop, my flower is going to be a princess' from Doria when she got the call to say that Meghan had the ring). Perhaps she also experienced 3 (living with mother than father, both of whom worked and thus perhaps had a series of other carers and was taken to set after school by her father). Maybe 7? (Both parents gave her positive reinforcement about what she could achieve, but in Hollywood where money and image are what counts.) Although she has a brash self-confident persona, she does seem to be hyper-sensitive to anything she perceives as criticism (b). Is that enough for NPD?

There is a very good overview of symptoms and causes here: https://www.psycom.net/personality-disorders/narcissistic/

The idea that those with NPD are insecure under the surface is being challenged by recent research, which is troubling. If this is so, then my sympathy for Megsy is perhaps increased because she lacks the requirements to recognise and deal with her toxicity (in my opinion), and she is going to mess up again and again, and doing so does hurt her.
Sandie said…
Who is going to fund them if they live in Canada?

If they are not living in the UK, the British people should not fund them in anyway.

Why should Canadians pay for their lifestyle, business and security?

The Commonwealth should certainly not pay for them to live in Canada, and they can do nothing useful that would justify salaries from the Commonwealth.

Surely the Queen, Charles and William know this.

Can the Markles fund themselves? And can they get the required residency permits to live in Canada?

Gosh, Megsy has not yet even acquired the citizenship for the UK and now there is talk of Canada! Reasonably I assume that this is made-up gossip.
lizzie said…
A good easy to read article on self-esteem and narcissism.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ulterior-motives/201805/narcissism-is-not-just-high-self-esteem
Sandie said…
This is from the CNN Facebook page:

'The Royals are coming! CNN Original Series presents the true story of the Windsor dynasty, from King Edward to Queen Elizabeth, Princess Diana to Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. The Windsors: Inside the Royal Dynasty premieres in February ...'

Meghan (note they give her title as well) is part of the dynasty? Prince William and his children are not?

dynasty: a line of hereditary rulers of a country.

Nothing dynastic about Diane or Meghan!
Anonymous said…


Has anyone noticed @Nutty has been silent? I hope she is okay.
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Sandie, having them live in Canada is not such a far-fetched idea. When Andrew and Fergie married there was serious discussion of sending them to live in Canada but Andrew didn't want to give up his naval career. This from Fergie:

If only the Duchess and Duke of York had moved to the Great White North, their shaky marriage might have been saved, Sarah Ferguson says. The former member of the Royal Family told CBC News there had been talk of her ex-husband, Prince Andrew, taking the largely symbolic job as Governor General, the Queen's representative in Canada.

"We could have been Governor of Canada living in Ottawa in the Government House," Ferguson said in an interview about co-producing the recently released film The Young Victoria. "It would have kept us together and we would probably be together now."
Fairy Crocodile said…
Princess Mrs. B
I can't really imagine Canadians wanting a freeloader from UK to be the Governor of Canada. May be in the past but not now.

And Fergie in my eyes is a lowlife. She was having topless trysts with her lover in front of her daughters. She and Andrew deserve each other.

I met Andrew and my impression of him was not favorable, although I do not believe he is all hopelessly bad.
Anonymous said…
CookieShark posted a 2016 article from Page Six that read, in part:

"Markle is meeting with lawyers to help manage her turbulent and sudden rise to international fame. Insiders say Markle, who has starred on 'Suits' for six years, may be struggling to come to terms with the overwhelming attention."

Congratulations! That's the funniest thing I've read in days! "Sudden rise to international fame?" "Struggling to come to terms with the overwhelming attention?" Spare me. What a load of BS. I am an American who watches a fair amount of television, and I had never heard of the B until Go Fug Yourself mentioned that Prince Harry was rumored to be dating her in 2017 and both she and her PR firm were very coy about it. Gratingly so. That made me dislike her right then, and I gradually disliked her the more I got to know her. Her behavior at Eugenie's wedding sealed my loathing for her.

So thank you for finding that article, Cookie. It gave me a great laugh!
Princess Mrs. B said…
@Fairy Crocodile, agreed that this would never fly today. My point was, when wondering what to do with a problem child, there's always something they could do in Canada. That to me is a far more realistic solution than Botswana.
SwampWoman said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid: 'Apologies to anyone confused by the word `narc’ when I really should be saying `a person whose behaviour is consistent with the possibility that she may have a narcissistic personality disorder’.'

I do like that. Wish I could save the entire phrase so that I can reuse it frequently.

I believe the alleged narc known currently as Duchess of Sussex has reached the pinnacle of her power. For those of you that have lived with narcs or suspected narcs (see phrase above courtesy of WBBM), how did they age? I suspect that it will be all downhill from here for the DoS but perhaps I'm wrong. It seems to me that once their physical attractiveness is gone, the mean girl shtik (or schtick) isn't going to fly for most.
Miggy said…

"The UK press announces a royal family scandal following. Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are in the middle of a divorce. "Prince Harry Divorces Meghan Markle Will Continue to Postpone His Return to the Royal Family," headline several publications in England."

https://www.uk24.co/2020/01/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-getting-divorced-the-british-press-makes-the-announcement.html

Not sure where this is coming from because I certainly haven't seen any major British publications print this.

The rumours are spreading though...

Thanks Sandie, I hadn't picked up on those posts. The Australian list is the best I've seen so far.

I heard a radio programme in Feb last year (BBC Radio 4) about sex addiction and whether it was a true addiction ie did the relevant brain receptors respond when the subject (a male) was getting his supply (porn). He was put in an MRI scanner & given porn to look at/watch? and sure enough, the same receptors that would have responded to narcotics lit up on the screen.

The parallels with my `NPD' apparently setting up a situation that could drive a rage/give her an excuse for one were striking but to have got her into a scanner in that state would have been out of the question!
SwampWoman said…
@ Elle who said Has anyone noticed @Nutty has been silent? I hope she is okay.

We could probably summon her back if we get into giant hissy fit with name calling and hair pulling drama on the blog (again, grin), but I'm too lazy idly sipping my caramel coffee and I don't want to spill it. Besides, I just found that there is a histrionic personality disorder and I am stunned. Good grief.

Seriously, she is probably listening to the gossip re the gruesome twosome from her journalist friends to try to suss out their future if they have one.
NeutralObserver said…
Whoa, this Canada nugget might be bigger than we think. To our friends in the UK, your long national nightmare might be over soon. Omid Scobie's pro Megs sycophancy is of Black Adder quality, he's so far up Meg's whatcha-ma-callit. I think the tidbit about 'not concentrating on a second baby' is, IMO, especially significant. My guess is Omid, & Megs, obviously, would love, love, love to announce that baby insurance policy #2 was on its way. So doesn't sound like that effort was a success. Megs obviously can still call in a few favors & get crumbs tossed to her in Canada, (Trudeau tweet, selfie couple, house, etc.), she might be testing how her crazed stans would react if she decamps to Canada. Her big American guns have been silent for a time. If Megs (with or without Harry & Archie) moves to Canada, please never ever let the Cambs go there as a family unit. She & her stans are too crazy. There was some singer on Jeremey Vine the other day who said she would feel 'more comfortable' if Megs & Harry became king & queen, rather than Will & Kate.

@elle, I'm sure Nutty is ok, she's mentioned that she has work & family responsibilities. Also, if there are any big announcements from the BRF coming up, she'll want to know what's up. She doesn't post anything until she's sure of her facts.
SwampWoman said…
Miggy, I saw some of those things early this morning and was nonplussed about what to make of it. It could be people that have heard some things but can't say it officially so they release it as anonymous gossip. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past her to have planted the rumors, then scream "See! They're RACISTS and continue to attack me! See how HAPPY Harry and I and Little Archie are in biracial harmony here in (wherever they are)."
Kate said…
Catching up on several comments this morning...

Regarding the tricky position of the “spares,” pre-Church of England, the second son was given a vigorous religious education in preparation to become a Bishop, in order to maintain strong ties with the Vatican. This is why Henry VIII, who was a spare himself before his brother Arthur passed away, was uniquely qualified to first defend and then criticize Catholic theology during the Reformation. Once the monarchy and the state religion were under the same roof, that unique role for the second son went away. Both Andrew and Harry have proven that their positions create a sort of vacuum that anyone can exploit for money, fame, etc., which is precisely what we’ve seen. So perhaps the Crown needs to once again designate a specific role (not necessarily religion) that keeps the spare preoccupied from childhood and prevents feelings of jealousy and inferiority. Throwing the Commonwealth role at Harry after a lifetime of coddling just hasn’t worked out.

I loved seeing the Omid Scobie update this morning. I don’t doubt for one second that MM was desperately trying to get knocked up again, so this sudden announcement—in combination with the Jen Meyer smackdown and the Rose Hanbury appearance yesterday—speaks volumes to me about Meghan’s precarious position right now.
SwampWoman said…
NeutralObserver, I also found it extremely interesting that she was apparently nowhere to be found around the Golden Globes awards. Perhaps she has been abducted by Bigfoot. With that happy thought (but it seems to be quite cruel punishment for a near-extinct species), I must do some long-neglected work.
xxxxx said…
Just as a possible future for this Duo.....
They spend more than half the year in Canada while doing less than the bare minimum of royal duties. They will not move into the vacuum that Prince Andrew has created. Their line will be that Megs was discriminated against in the UK so they prefer Canada which is so "welcoming". That they need Canada for their mental health. Charles will still be funneling the $300,000 or so yearly allowance to Harry. They will live on this plus Hapless will be forced to dip into his Diana inheritance.

All Megs merching schemes have turned into nothing and no one is contributing to the Sussex Foundation. And their stay on that Vancouver island was given free to them.
abbyh said…

Canada and too busy schedule
I'm thinking that she/they tried IVF and it didn't take.

Layla28 - ooo, nice catch.

SwampWoman - agree with you about not aging well. I think that is true for anyone who defines themselves so narrowly like beautiful or even smartest one in the room. They don't develop lateral depth definitions and spend a lot of time looking silly at best trying to chase wisps of what is no more. At some point, there's always someone smarter, cooler, has more followers, younger than you who will step in and take your spot.

And perhaps, one of the great blessings is that by not having a girl, she won't have all the ultra positive press for the daughter where she then feels she is being left behind. She doesn't do well if she feels competitive.

Kate - I was going to post something about Henry VIII as a spare. I've been watching some Time Team Special and PBS stuff lately about him. I knew his brother had been king but a lot of the shows don't mention that much even though it played out as part of the whole underlying reasons for his divorce needs. You take it farther as a designated role. Good idea. Hope the right people are reading it.

Tea - I am trying to switch from coffee to tea (more sensitive to caff as I age). I've been drinking Assam from Two Leaves and a Bud. They have a nice little sampler box (bags) for about $15 but usually I get loose for the Assam.


Hope Nutty is good or at least ok.


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