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jessica said…
Isn’t it kind of funny Meghan married her dad: Pushover, Meghan worshipper, ‘what Meghan wants Meghan gets’, lack of boundaries, unlimited funding, doesn’t command respect. That’s just off the top of my head of Harry and Thomas similarities.
Ian's Girl said…
Eh, I think she went to HR so there was a paper trail. She was very adamant about Oprah checking the emails.

She has had this planned for years.
Fifi LaRue said…
I believe that Markle is enough of a lunatic to dye her kid's hair black. And Harry is enough of a Gutless Wonder to do and say nothing about it.
DesignDoctor said…
@Not Meghan Markle said...
I'm sorry, but if I were married to a Prince I would not be low maintenance. Who is she kidding with that?

She is the antithesis of "low maintenance." And I doubt that H really wants to live a "normal" life. I think they are strapped for funds and she is pressuring him for more and more. I would not blame PC for not taking H's calls.

**Nothing** was ever enough for my narc ex. The "wound" they have results in an insatiable and unfillable black hole. A bottomless pit. Never satisfied.

Mom Mobile said…
Just saw this on LSA

https://twitter.com/greekblue1/status/1369757881139073034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1369840159680688131%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=

We can all use a good laugh! 😂😂😂
Mom Mobile said…
@Ian’s Girl I listened to the podcast that was posted earlier in this thread. Valentine Low confirmed that MM did go to HR. The press knew about it but they thought it was odd. He said press knew she was having a difficult time but they didn’t realize that she was suicidal.

If someone listened to the podcast please feel free to correct me. I might not be relaying all the info accurately.

I’ll also add that her going to HR is a total narc move. Why go to HR? She knew they wouldn’t be able to help her and then she could say, “See! I asked for help and they wouldn’t help me!” This is another reason I think she’s just weaponizing her suicidal claim.
jessica said…
She cannot say she went to HR but at the same time didn’t want to talk to her husband about it. That’s just stupid. At the same time, who were her OBGYN doctors? They should be investigated.

I don’t understand the vagueness of mysterious press knowing she was having problems but didn’t know it was S. First off, whoever advised her was right- if she went through the firm, the press would find out. Secondly, that makes more sense- go home to your husband, use your doctors you already see, get a private referral, all we can do is rearrange your schedule.
Snarkyatherbest said…
Also she may have gone to HR since she knew they were gonna start asking her about the turnover and the behavior. Get out in front of it and say you went to them to talk about your bad employees and then spin it publicly since most companies don’t air personnel issues in the public realm.
DeerAngels said…
Lord help me. I actually met the first person who knows about the markles. Then the horror was struck when the sugar, yes a bloody sugar, opens up with how mega father was so bad to her. My mouth opened without thinking. I told her in my Mom's tone it would not be wise to make the claim of sex abuse. Ok I have been told sometimes my voice is harsher than intended. Shut her up in one sentence. She's one of my new home health aides. THANK YOU NUTTY & NUTTIES I will be ready for her the next time she comes here. And I have your wonderful wisdom, insight and learning so much from here. I was able to understand why my mean ex wouldn't just go away, he is narcissist and it makes so much more sense. Unfortunately it seems these two are never going away any time soon. And I thought it was almost like Pierce after standing by his opinion, then walked off was sorta like he tried to markle the markle on tv.
Jdubya said…
I know I needed the laugh. so i went to

https://twitter.com/hrrysgreysuit?lang=en

and watched some of the video mock ups from O's interview. Brilliant !!!

The bird dropping one just as the interview began was hysterical.
Martha said…
@sally! I visited YouTube inputting those letters and numbers: several results.
In the end, I watched the polo Celt news item. Apparently, she and baby were there for 2 hours, in the sun, without a feed or change of diaper.
What I noticed, were the feet! When she was standing nearby Kate, the baby’s feet appeared at a right angle to each ankle. Then, when she and Harry were by the car, the feet were turned inwards. Or, at least, they didn’t appear to be at right angles again.
I’m unclear as to why Harry shouted at her, and the why a while later, he was brightly smiling down at her.
KCM1212 said…
@JennSat 1:12am

Fascinating tea, Jenn. Great find!

This story just gets weirder and weirder, doesn't it?
Natalier said…
The Queen and Charles had enabled this day to happen due to their negligence to be pro-active when problems started surfacing with Grip and Drip. If the Queen once again offers an olive branch to them, she deserves to have the monarchy end sooner than later. Does she not understand that Grip will never be satisfied until she has destroyed people she perceived as not supporting of her as she was entitled to. It will be heartache and pain for Charles, Camilla, Kate and Wills and the rest of the family until they are gone/reputation obliterated.
JennS said…
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jessica said…
Jdubya, thanks for the link!! HILARIOUS

Watch how Meghan’s dress ended up with the poo

https://twitter.com/greekblue1/status/1369757881139073034?s=21
jessica said…
JennS,
They are doomed.
HappyDays said…
Charade said...
- The interview came off as soliciting acting and voice work for Rache twice. First when she compared herself to the Little Mermaid. There is a current Disney live-action in the works starring Beyonce's protege. Second was when Harry said the BRF thought Rache should continue acting for money.

@Charade:
Meghan likely thought that after marrying Harry, she would triumphantly return to Hollywood and have plum roles and projects offered to her by A-list producers and directors and actors/ actresses would be eager to work with her. She’d have SO MANY delicious offers she would have work lined up for years to come.

But I believe the offers haven’t materialized. Even though Hollywood was shut down due to the pandemic, people were still writing scripts, planning on future projects to do after the pandemic subsides. And deals were still being done despite the restrictions of the pandemic.

In late April 2019, Beyonce signed a three-project deal when Netflix won a bidding war against HBO.

In July 2020, 21 year-old Yara Shahidi of the signed an exclusive overall deal with the ABC Studios to develop and produce scripted and alternative television projects for cable, streaming and broadcast.

So deals were still being done.

Where were Meghan’s offers?

Both Beyonce and Yara Shahidi are WOC, so it’s hard for Meghan to blame racism.

Yes, Meghan and Harry have their deals with Netflix and Spotify, but it’s not an acting deal and it has been said that Netflix was not impressed with their first effort, labeling it a “vanity project.”

Imagine that!

I think outside her age and lack of demographic appeal, Meghan’s biggest problem is her reputation in Hollywood, especially among people she has worked with, and I’m not talking about suck-ups who have supported her in the media.

I’m thinking of producers, directors, lighting people, makeup and wardrobe people, etc. I’ve read enough accounts that indicate diva behavior, which do her no favors. And I doubt that Trevor sings her praises to anyone in private conversations.

This is an earlier comment that appeared on this blog:

“Miggy said...
Snipped from the book-

"While her admirers commended her for her tenacity and toughness, one producer told me that he regarded her ‘an odiously pushy, voracious piece of work’. She was ‘greedy’, had ‘far too high an opinion of herself’, and was ‘a player who has a compulsion to always push for more. If you offered her California, she’d demand Arizona as well, and, if you didn’t give it to her, you were victimising her."

If I was a network or studio executive, director, or producer or anyone working with her, I’d wonder if she didn’t get her way, the knives would come out and she’d pull another Oprah interview and do the same thing she’s currently trying to do to the royal family and the monarchy.

Remember that narcissists rarely take responsibility for the problems they create, instead preferring to portray themselves as the victim.

Life is too short to work with toxic people like her.
HappyDays said…
JennS said...
@Jessica
Meghan married her Dad
Harry married his Mom
It's a match made in a lunatic asylum!

@JennS:
Harry did not marry his mother. He was and remains captivated by a cheap imitation who masqueraded as his mother, who is still masquerading as Diana to this day.

Diana did not have the reputation as a petulant diva who thought she was superior to most other people. She did not have a lengthy history of being rude, mistreating people, and bullying people, with the earliest bullying report coming from high school days. Diana was an empathetic person, who I believe truly wanted to help others. Unlike Meghan, people did not describe Diana by saying she was “very cruel.”’ I also believe Diana truly loved her sons. For Meghan, her children are like all other people, they are objects to be used to advance Meghan’s self-serving agenda.

(Meghan has already used Archie as a weapon and she will continue to use him as an object as she will with her daughter. Archie is lucky in that he will probably be largely ignored as Meghan invests most of her energy in molding her daughter into a miniature version of herself. Poor girl.)

Yes, Diana had her own baggage to be sure, and people who are more familiar with her say she exhibited elements of borderline personality disorder, but she was not regarded as a treacherous, greedy, fraudulent odious person as Meghan is regarded.

If Diana is able to look in from the next life to see the goings on with her sons, she would be delighted with Kate and heartbroken Harry is with Meghan.
Anonymous said…
Well said @HappyDays!!
@Flore said…
Meghan: I would say I went into it naively because I didn’t grow up knowing much about the Royal Family. It wasn’t part of something that was part of conversation at home. It wasn’t something that we followed. My mum even said to me a couple of months ago, ‘Did Diana ever do an interview?’ Now I can say. ‘Yes, a very famous one’, but my mum doesn’t know that.

This was at the very beginning of this diatribe. So Megalo is not only the smartest person in the world but Doria has been living under a rock her whole life!
@Flore said…
@HappyDays
Indeed! When they announced were having a girl my heart sank. I was relieved that their first child was a boy. That poor girl will need decades of therapy...
lizzie said…
@Flore wrote:

"My mum even said to me a couple of months ago, ‘Did Diana ever do an interview?’ ....

This was at the very beginning of this diatribe. So Megalo is not only the smartest person in the world but Doria has been living under a rock her whole life!"

True. Plus it's telling (if M's report is even true) that Doria asked about Diana. Why not ask about other royals such as the Queen? Or Mean Old Kate? Why ask what her daughter's husband's dead mother did or didn't do 24+ years ago? Seems to me Doria's question confirms she knows M wants to be Diana 2.0.
Opus said…
You only get one opportunity to make a first impression and so my first comment at this blog was an attack on Harry Markle. My beef with her was that she badly needs WBBM to go in with a large supply of red ink. I am thus pleased to say how much her 10th March entry yesterday struck me as one of her recent best. The takeaway for me from the article is that it is not just a question of having an internal review as amongst family members as to who said what (what family I ask ever does that - we know instantly, and what a frightening place a family would be if one cannot talk freely without the expectation of a visit from the thought police) but the abuse that the DoS has hurled at the people of the country where she was a visitor and where she has now tried to duck out of criticism with her 'you can't hit me I'm a girl'. I agree with Harry Markle: a much stronger response is required from Her Majesty for the interview is not just an attack on the RF but an attack on my country and its people. I would like to see to begin with and for it to be made public a strongly worded letter to the American ambassador from the Court of St James.
@Flore said…
@lizzie
Yes! Dropping Diana’s name ASAP only confirms their obsession with her. And the control freak sets the narrative immediately: see I’m just like her!
I suspect that `Intersectionality' may be the reason that so many appear to be buying their story.

As I understand it, subscribing, to say, equal rights for women means that one has to be seen to accept the entire package uncritically. Grab has emasculated Stab and made it about racial justice as well as women's rights. She has to be believed uncritically or else one's Woke credentials go down the pan.

There's no room for nuance, choice of reservations.

We have often wondered how many despots have come to power - we know now.
@Jessica

Might be safest not to use one particular idiom that has been around for centuries but which has acquired new connotations in the last 100 years. It's beginnings certainly weren't derogatory, despite what the Metro says.

Just saying. I hope you don't mind.

https://metro.co.uk/2016/06/22/these-everyday-sayings-have-horribly-racist-beginnings-5959727/

https://text.npr.org/224183763
Bookworm2 has a photograph of Marcus Anderson at Eugenie's wedding. Has anybody heard of
this before? It at around 14:40.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQhdBHeDgE
I should add that it only shows a man who could be Markus standing around with some other people, all in formal wear.
TheGrangle said…
The press are on to her and the Mail has fired a nice little warning shot with his mornings' article on surrogacy......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9347561/Would-baby-boss-Caitlin-Kate-share-surrogacy.html
@ Opus -

I'd love to see Megsie Baby on the witness stand, with you cross-examining her!
Tamhsn said…
I cannot post the link now but listen to the youtube video of Dr. Todd Grande on the interview. He cannot really come out and say things..but his analysis is on point. He made a video on piers and meghan tow too. A good insight of the situation for an outsider
@Flore said…
Meghan: You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.

Seems like Megalo would have preferred to fly coach and wait in line to get her passport stamped!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349033/Meghan-Markle-THIRTEEN-foreign-trips-despite-claiming-Palace-aides-seized-IDs.html

One lie at a time...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/03/11/letters-shame-poured-royal-family-accusing-unnamed-people-unspecified/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-onward-journey

Some letters here that Nutties may enjoy.
Curiously said…
@Jocelyn’s Bellinis

Bookworm2 has a photograph of Marcus Anderson at Eugenie's wedding. Has anybody heard of
this before? It at around 14:40.

***********

I actually follow the guy who posted that picture (don’t ask that’s a whole other rabbit hole) His name is Ben Skervin and he’s a make up artist. He is friends with Marcus. They have holidayed together also. Ben also had photos of MM posted on his insta. Not sure if they are still there, but I doubt it.

His post said
#tbt missing my #OG crew!!!! That was just before we were to head out to what was one of the most fabulous evenings I have ever had. Thanks @princesseugenie and Jack for a magical 2 days. #royalwedding #friendsforever #crew

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp70r2OFiY2/?igshid=daq3379xh2a
Maneki Neko said…
@NeutralObserver 3.22 am

@Hikari, I think we're all puzzled by how different Archie looks each time we see him.
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Yes, Archie's appearance has been discussed at nauseam. The thing is that we don't know if the babies/children we've seen are the same every time as they can look different in a lot of cases. I wonder if this is done deliberately so that we plebs can never know what Archie really looks like. Easier to fool us that way with 'stand ins'.
Curiously said…
So apparently the interview was filmed at Rob Lowe’s new house in Montecito

https://www.dirt.com/entertainers/actors/rob-lowe-house-montecito-2-1203354770/

https://www.luxuryportfolio.com/Property/montecito-properties-stonehedge-montecito-legacy-estate/FQRA
xxxxx said…
B Nelson-8 hr ago
Liked by Harry Markle

Meghan proclaims herself to be a proud independent strong woman. As a psychiatric nurse for over 30 years I disagree. In fact, she has a deep seated inferiority complex. I too grew up in So Cal. I know what it is like to be exposed to so many wealthy beautiful people who judge others by their looks and money. Meghan was/is ashamed of her background and has been busy social climbing as soon as she was old enough to change her appearance and narrative.
Now she is consumed with status and riches that she was envious of her whole life. Nothing to do with her mental health being abused.


She is only seeking pity now because she allowed her greed and shallowness to be exposed too quickly. People dislike her because of who she is and all she has ever wanted is to feel superior to others. She never learned that it’s not what you have but what you are that matters. I feel angry when she tosses around accusations that she was mistreated for her mental health problems. She does a disservice to people with actual diseases of the brain. Mere perceived insults or feeling sorry for yourself does not cause someone to become mentally ill. Have some respect for the truly ill who don’t share your privilege!

https://harrymarkle.substack.com/p/discussion-thread-3/comments
@Hikari. You've expressed it much better than I will, but I don't see how the RF can debunk "her truth now", having employed so much time and effort sanitising her backstory.

If they start saying too much to expose her, it will also expose just how much they've hidden from the UK public.

I have a friend who owns a small deli that Charles and Camilla visited in 2019. My friends were subjected to a large number of visits, questions, scoping out of premises and even told that the heating would have to be turned off in the deli the day of the visit or Charles would turn on his heel and walk out.

If there was this much micro-managing for a 10 minute visit to a shop in a small coastal town in N E Scotland, then due diligence on Megz must have been carried out to the nth degree. Perhaps this is where she and her backers have been clever. By allowing the RF to clean her up and present a more wholesome Megz to the world, they've inadvertently implicated themselves in the scam. Does this makes sense?

Jocelyn, loved that story about your dog on a mission. We need to unleash a newshound with as much tenacity to get to work on this mystery.
Miggy said…
@Curious,

Similar mansion but IMO, not the same. The pillars on the terrace are different and so is the tiled floor.
JennS said…
@Curious

Where did you read that they filmed there?

Rob actually owns 2 homes in Montecito and one in Beverly Hills.
I don't think they live in this one yet - the one you posted. They are fixing it up - it's a historic 1920's Spanish Revival home that needs quite a bit of work.

They also have a 1970's Montecito home which I think is their current abode.
They like to purchase and renovate.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Oprah asked him for use of this place since it's presumably empty and within walking distance to the Harkles' house.
Oprah stated that they filmed at the home of a friend of hers.
I agree -on the face of it one would expect a mole/plant/5th columnist to be more reliable, not a loose cannon.

The RF though is vulnerable to the loose cannon. Their watchwords are stability, endurance, keeping to well-established procedures.

What better way to disrupt them than to let them wheel in a Trojan Horse concealing an agent of chaos?

Someone reliably unreliable, utterly self-centred, ruthless, opinionated, already known in shady circles? Comfortable existing in that wilderness of mirrors?

Dare I say it, perhaps even someone disposable? That is, once she served her purpose - by creating so much ill-will towards the Monarchy that the People want rid of them?

Someone so convinced of her own wonderfulness that she doesn’t question why she has been singled out for this honour? Someone delighted that her value is so apparent that there are people willing to support her in achieving her destiny?

Someone who asks only `What’s in it for me?’ not `What’s in it for them?’

I was astonished that, in the engagement interview, she seemed to be under the impression that that she could get the CEO’s role, not the post of PA to the least of the VPs. She then showed us she had big political ambitions yet had so little political nous that she displayed her support for British membership of the EU, even if it was diametrically opposite to the Royal approach of expressing political opinions.
I asked myself `Why?’

It still seems odd that for all her professed allegiance to social justice, she was in favour of not allowing as to exercise our right to decide for ourselves whether or not we stayed in the EU. Why was it so important to her? Why does it matter to a 10th rate actress/SJW from SoCal?

She seems very short on original thought and I wondered who might have put such thoughts into her head. Cui bono?

As Wikipedia says: Cui bono? (Classical Latin: [kui̯ ˈbɔnoː]), in English "to whom is it a benefit?", is a Latin phrase about identifying crime suspects. It expresses the view that crimes are often committed to benefit their perpetrators, especially financially. Which party benefits may not be obvious, and there may be a scapegoat.
Miggy said…
Kate and William head out on first official engagement since Oprah interview as Queen extends personal olive branch to Harry and Meghan amid fallout

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350413/Kate-William-head-official-engagement-Oprah-interview.html

Prince William today became the first royal to publicly address the race row sparked by Harry and Meghan's interview - insisting 'we're very much not a racist family'.
@Flore said…
@xxxxx
Thanks for sharing. This comment is pure gold.
“In fact, she has a deep seated inferiority complex.”
I wholeheartedly agree. She felt so out of place in a palace surrounded by polite and diplomatic family members and staff. She couldn’t cope. She is a fraud. She is the typical nouveau riche. A true caricature. She knows how she got to her newfound fortune and she knows everyone around her knows. This is why she lashes out, bullies and humiliates her employees. She never listened to their advice because it was perceived as pointing out her ill manners and lack of class. Hapless is a blood prince so she had to take him out of the castle and lock him up in lalaland.
NeutralObserver said…
@JennS, I looked at the Rob Lowe house pictures & couldn't tell if it could be the interview site, but the little white house which is also on the property reminded me of the wooden house in the Gloria Steinem interview. Rob Lowe is a businessman. It would make sense that he might rent the house out so that it just doesn't sit idly while he decides what he wants to do with it. If Megs has been renting his property for photo shoots, Rob might know all kinds of stuff about the Harkles, which makes his joke about Harry sightings so intriguing. The Harkles might even not be living together, as many have hinted. I believe in their marriage is good in the way the Clinton marriage is good, for convenience only.
NeutralObserver said…
I agree with @Opus that the last few Harry Markle posts are worth a read. She apparently has an inventory of all the Harkle transgressions & falsehoods embedded in the hard drive of her own brain, like so many posters here. LOL.
What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!

https://youtu.be/M5UMDKjGiRM
INSIDERINSIDER
`Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's secret vow exchange was right for them - and it proves royal weddings are out of touch' etc etc, ad nauseam.

Are they now trying to make out that she didn’t want a big wedding, costing as much in real terms as that of the Cambridges? That all the stories are untrue and wouldn’t have happened if she’s had her way?

That she wouldn’t have invited a chapel load of Hollywood A-listers if it had been left to her? (never mind snubbing the foreign Royals (many of them connected by a marriage) who had to be snubbed to accommodate them)

To use a common English expression – Bloody typical!
@wbbm. Kerrrazy idea from me. How useful is Meghan to Sarah Ferguson? For as long as attention is focused on the Harkles the heat is taken off Andrew. Fergie was invited to their wedding (first RF engagement for ages), Megz has been keen to highlight Fergie's support in mastering the art of the curtsey and her continuing friendship with Eugenie. We've already found a link between Fergie, Ghislaine, the Archbishop, Lutnik and Epstein. On the other hand, your analysis is much more plausible

Neutral. Agreed that these "lavender marriages" are very common in political and entertainment circles.
Curiously said…
@JennS

Where did you read that they filmed there?

*******

It was posted on the DeuxMoi insta page with the link to the dirt.com article. I just did a google search for the listing for more photos.
Ava C said…
I need to catch up here after a day away but this is to say I'm glad William pushed back a little this morning. It would need a superhuman effort not to and I don't think it's fair to require that of the Cambridges after the way they've been treated.

I do see why the Queen is reportedly being conciliatory but it worries me immensely. Meghan's supporters will see it as proof of guilt and celebrate all over the media. The BRF will lose the support of many British people who have had to sit through their (our) country being vilified with no right to reply. Meghan and Harry will see it as a licence for more of the same. If you try to act nobly with bullies, all they see is weakness.

Although I'm no longer a Telegraph subscriber, I got newsletter today saying that UK-US relations are the worst they've been for 200 years. It then calmly and methodically describes what 'immense damage' has been done. If we make nice with the Sussexes, surely this will make things worse on the political, diplomatic and trade fronts too? We have to TRY to get our case through. Send some top-notch people to be interviewed on US TV, in full command of the facts and with evidence to back it up. Slow, steady, undramatic rebuttal. The way New Labour eroded the Tories in the 1990s.
Has anyone heard which 30 hymns she `had' to `learn?

I thought she was educated in a Catholic school - I'm sure there's a significant body of hymns common to both traditions and she can't, surely, have got through all those years without singing anything?

She'll be saying next that she was never taught the Angelus, (`The Angel of the Lord brought good tidings unto Mary, and she conceived by the Holy Ghost. Hail Mary, full of grace...' and so on. Translations vary - that's an Anglican version)

Besides which, what are hymnbooks for?
Ava C said…
I know we need to stay out of politics but we have to recognise that Harry has chosen to condemn his country at the very time we need to establish new trade links across the globe. That is imperative after leaving the EU, regardless of which side you are on. Our highest priority after Covid. Surely 'treachery'is not too strong a word for what he has done. And now our Head of State is to offer an olive branch? This reminds me of Elizabeth I's inability to deal with Mary Queen of Scots for years.
JLC said…
I'm pleased William said those two sentences today. He comes across as though he has been spitting blood for a good few days.

I was saddened to read that the Queen was reaching out to Harry (or something similar) in the papers this morning. I am going to remain hopeful that she only wants to protect Harry. Surely she has the best investigators at her fingertips, so she can't not have seen/heard all the things we have discussed on this excellent blog. I can only hope that she is playing the long game and knows that Meg will be getting her just desserts soon. That said, she is playing a dangerous game, as public opinion of Harry is at an all time low, with many people saying he can't come back from this. I don't know, I just wish it would all stop - I am sick to death of seeing pictures of the smarmy woman!
Ava C-

Yes, that parallel struck me last night - we must both have been watching Glenda Jackson!

I agree, that's what I feared.

I do hope the `right' people read us, such as journalists and security services, as opposed to Grab's minions, people who can turn our thoughts and findings into a way of neutralising the effect of her and Harry Stab-in-the-back, without resorting to the more brutal of Walsingham's methods:

“I think less peril to live with them as enemies, than as friends.” he said of the French.
Ava C said…
My 82-year-old mother had a dreadful nightmare the night ITV broadcast the interview. She cried out so loud she woke the whole family. She didn't watch the interview but it was after absorbing the aftermath of the CBS broadcast. She dreamt she was in danger and trying to cry out but, in her nightmare, she couldn't make a sound. She thinks it was from sheer frustration with the Sussexes not being challenged in the interview and worry that they are making what was constant in our lives (the BRF) now worryingly unstable. Meghan can hurt elderly people even in their sleep.
lucy said…
@Grangle Nice find 😉
Comments moderated haha
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9347561/Would-baby-boss-Caitlin-Kate-share-surrogacy.html

@jenn I missed the Foster gossip. What's the word? :)
Ava C said…
@WBBM - you must be psychic! I was already planning to watch Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth I tonight. Those were the days when a Queen could punch anyone she was cross with and Glenda gets pretty physical. I remember Cate Blanchett as Elizabeth, smacking Walsingham round the back of the head. I need an outlet at the moment.
Ava and WBBM. We must all be thinking along the same lines as I watched the newest Mary Queen of Scots film on Saturday. Just call us the weird sisters. Who is going to do a David Rizzio on Megz?

Seriously, though, I share your concerns about the effect this could have on our trading agreement post-Brexit and Covid. It's actually getting serious now.
If anyone's puzzled wi'ref, to `Elizabeth R', it's is an old TV movie about Elizabeth I. Last night's episode was no 4 `Horrible Conspiracies' about how she was unwilling to confront the problem posed by Mary Queen of Scots.

It's on BBC 4 and episodes shown so far are available on BBC iPlayer. last night's is especially applicable. Do watch if you can. It's available until the end of the month - there's still a little time to watch earlier episodes.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p036g8c5/elizabeth-r-4-horrible-conspiracies
Enbrethiliel said…
My mother just told me that Paul Burrell was on CNN saying that Oprah had tried to get an interview with Diana back in the day. But Diana turned her down, believing (correctly?!) that if she said yes to an Oprah interview, she wouldn't have any control over it.

I don't know how much credibility to give Burrell, but I can very well imagine Oprah stewing over the rejection for decades until finally getting sweet, sweet revenge.

Here's a link to the Daily Mail's coverage: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9337957/Dianas-former-butler-Paul-Burrell-calls-Oprah-clever-business-woman.html
Oops, first episode's about to expire!!!
Ava C said…
@Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells & WBBM on Mary Queen of Scots - some folks here will remember I moved to the Scottish Borders straight after the first lockdown. Bothwell's castle is near me and I'm dying to visit it - first on my list when we're allowed to go further from home. Looks frightening even in photos (Hermitage Castle). Good place to put Meghan. She could whine from the battlements and only sheep and the wind would hear her.
Panic over -it now says it's got several more days
@Flore said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349327/Candace-Owens-says-leftist-narcissist-Meghan-Markle-stories-straight.html

I do not know her well or follow her but one has to applaud her for being courageous enough to speak up. Will she be accused of racism and unconscious bias too?
She makes a very valid point regarding freedom of speech and Pierce Morgan.
As our dear Voltaire famously said “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Wisdom lost on the ignorant Twitter mob who soon will be calling to cancel Voltaire too!
I've seen the `bloodstains' on the floor at Holyrood Palace - regularly renewed.

Piers Morgan has quoted Churchill:

`Some people’s idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like but, if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. '
WBBM. Quite. Now blood being spilt in another Holyrood.

Ava. I do remember you said you were moving. Hope you're settling in. Borders are lovely. Also get in a visit to Jedburgh Jail, another possible holding cell for the traitors.
LavenderToast said…
Here is another snapshot of the poll MSN posted on the Royal family:

How favorable or unfavorable is your overall opinion of the British royal family?

Very favorable....32%

Somewhat favorable....23%

Somewhat unfavorable...18%

Very unfavorable....14%

Other / No opinion....12%

*Although the sampling is small, it is still evident people have a 'more favorable' opinion of the BRF than not. Let us hope this remains so.
Ava C said…
Lines of battle have been drawn and Meghan has her army of trolls ready to pounce on anyone who defends freedom of speech or dares to question 'her truth'. So sad it has come to this. Of course if she had had her way,she would have been doing this from within the BRF on a regular basis. Can't she see how exhausting and divisive it is? Imagine if the whole BRF did it.

I was questioning our traditional model for the BRF in my mind this morning. That we expect them to do boring and dreary things as well as glitzier things. We expect them to be a little bit stodgy. It really comes down to a prid pro quo though and that they must be seen to serve everyone. Rainy Tuesdays in Wolverhampton not just red carpets in London.

Meghan's refusal to see this is part of her vast sense of entitlement since childhood. She had nearly £1M on clothes in 18 months. Over £30M on her wedding. Homes provided. Staff. Cars. Holidays. For what? Why would we provide this for her? Just so she could always have the cherry on top of the cake? I do hope someone has at least tried to explain this to her, although of course it couldn't be Harry. After more than 30 years he still doesn't get this himself.
Do have a look at the lovely photos oh HM dancing with Kwame Nkrumah, first President of Ghana (formerly the Gold Coast) in 1961 at the Independence celebrations. Racist? I don't think so.

The Queen danced gaily with Ghana’s president in 1961, seemingly unaware that their dance was a symbolic moment in the history of the Commonwealth.

Elizabeth II is pictured beaming on the dancefloor with President Nkrumah, whom the West had feared was getting too close to the Soviet Union, at a farewell ball in Accra. Despite bombings in the capital, the Queen had insisted on this tour to make sure the unstable African republic did not leave the Commonwealth.


Paywall stopped me going further.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/queen-dancing-in-ghana-the-story-behind-her-iconic-visit-to-save-the-commonwealth-8cg98tbhb#:~:text=The%20Queen%20danced%20gaily,a%
AnT said…
Apologies if this was mentioned already—


Twitter threads and blogs and LSA posters are reporting that Kate is receiving 100s of thousands horrible threats since the interview.

Spencer Morgan, son of Piers, is taking direct aim at the sugars attacking Piers, and Kate, on his Twitter feed.

William clearly has had it. M couldn’t have him, so she is trying to destroy his wife, marriage,family, legacy.

And I am sorry, but the Queen should not be extending any olive branches to the pair. She’s lost the plot. I smell Charles. I feel for William.

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snarkyatherbest said…
@Opus - the ambassador from the US to the court of St. James, yes that would be Markles friend Bob Iger formerly of Disney. Its a coveted spot for top donors. Cindy McCain, widow of senator John McCain and mother of Meghan McCain of the View (on ABC, disney) publicly supported Biden and was vying for that ambassadorship. She was shut out on all fronts for a diplomatic post.

Like the post about little mermaid; yep she's angling for something. Oprah played this like a better narc - explode a bomb and next get seen reading on hour porch. Anything that is a lie, or anything MM does that looks off, she can just point and say see Mental Illness - its a thing. She and her Geffen Yacht buddies know a lot more salacious detail about a lot of people including parts of the royal family and is probably laughing over all of this. But it did reboost her career and could help her sell her interview viewership to the next interviewee. She need Britney Spears next and the US wont care about the Markles. The aftermath may very well be, no jobs for Markle. Oprah really wanted Harry.

Miggy said…
Nigel Farage slams Meghan Markle for pleading 'victim status' and defends Royal family against racism claims, saying they 'have done huge amount for people of color all over the world'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350329/Nigel-Farage-slams-Meghan-Markle-pleading-victim-status.html
Hikari said…
This article is very topical—the personal story of a black woman married to a white man whose daughter looks completely Caucasian. She’s experienced strangers in the grocery store being suspicious of her as having kidnapped a white baby. Her own mother told her flatly, “if you wanted a black baby, you should’ve married a black man.“ Ouch. I live in a small town in the Midwest, but interracial relationships a very common here, and I’m surprised that anyone anywhere in 2021 would openly stare at a mixed race couple and their kids like it’s 1961, especially in bigger metro areas. Genes are fascinating things. This doesn’t prove to me however that an Markle herself has giving birth to a white looking baby. Or any baby, full stop.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/black-mother-biracial-baby-looks-white-140000246.html
LavenderToast said…
It is being reported that the Queen is planning on making a "personal phone call" to the dastardly duo to offer "an olive branch". That is so unsettling. What can we reasonable expect:

- No stripping of their titles
- Maybe reinstatement of the pair's patronages
- Maybe Harry will get his military honors back
- Maybe the Queen will gift them the right to live in Windsor palace
- Perhaps a commemorative medal for them in honor of their courage in speaking up
- A Letter Patent making Archie a Prince (and baby#2 a Princess)
- Money for security

The list is endless. The Queen didn't just blink, she shut her eyes and ears. She might as well have said "We're racists, we're sorry, let us pay reparations forever to you too".

Then after this planned phone call, one just has to expect the Harkles will gloat and tell the world "their truth" of what was said by the Queen. They will use it to their advantage. Heck they are probably already plotting how to spin it...the Queen saw the error of the ways of the BRF.

I am beyond sick. A two bit actress with questionable character, aided by a dumb prince has brought the Queen to her knees. If the Queen is extending an olive branch then maybe the BRF is all that Meghan and Harry says it is. Maybe the monarchy should end if it can't stand up to these two.



Humor Me said…
@AnT - reading this morning from the bottom of the page up. Just read the DM article - the pain is apparent on William's face. This American feels terrible for him, and Catherine. The audacity of H&M!
Nuked Duke said…
Nutties, I had a worrying thought about the surrogacy rumour. It is, I feel, no longer a weapon in the hands of the RF (I’m assuming for the sake of this argument that Archie was born of a surrogate). I used to believe that the Harkles’’ behaviour and secrecy around Archie’s birth was the central reason why they were forced to run to Canada. This and the surrogacy would have been a shocking revelation pre-Oprah. But now, even if proof of the surrogacy does get released, most people will go, “Oh, that’s interesting. But so what?” Because M’s claims of racism and mental illness trump the scandal of systematically deceiving the public with a fake pregnancy. Her moon bumps will become a “cry for help from a tortured WOC,” instead of a deliberate and cold deception. After all, surrogacy by itself is not a problem in today’s world. What is a problem is her (their) behaviour. But she has activated the suicide card, and nothing the RF says or does can supersede that.

I feel like the RF have shot themselves in the foot (or heart). Because they have actively participated in the “build Meghan up” project. They knew about the surrogacy all along (how could they not!). They are complicit in everything she has done since the wedding. Even the bullying rumours make them look bad. And notice that of all the accusations she has hurled, sexism isn’t one of them. I guess even Meg can see that the Monarch is a woman.
Nuked Duke said…
@LavenderToast

Noooooo! Any of those concessions will be a terrible, terrible mistake. Even ardent royalists will revolt. I hope the Queen has a plan for handling the Harkles for good, because the RF is on thin ice now. I really feel for the Queen. She was already at a low point when PP was hospitalised. This “interview” must have devastated her. And underneath everything, I know she is a 95-year-old granny with a heart. I understand how she may be feeling, but the time to be personal about H is long over. This is a war, and she needs to be the Monarch, not the sweet granny baking cookies for the naughty children!

If her advisors have told her to reach out and build bridges, then I’m afraid H may have been unwittingly correct: she is being badly advised.
lizzie said…
I'm just not as horrified as others by the Queen telephoning Harry. For example, would we expect her not to ask him directly who mentioned Archie's skin tone and when? (She may know already but she may not.)

I'm not sure how a call to Harry turned into "an olive branch." So far as I can tell, that phrase comes from an article 2 days ago in the Sun (because she said they were loved family members.) If that's not right, I'm happy to be corrected.
lucy said…
I appreciate the articles posted by Jenn and others. I banned Harkles from my newsfeed so all I read of them is what is linked here

I am torn regarding surrogacy. It is a doozy and will for sure forever be impactful but my reasons are selfish as I want her outed for all that grandstanding she did with it period.

But it is treason . How did they get around that? Pretty big burden to leave on W&K

Perhaps HM and others were unaware of surrogacy and if they were? They did what any loving family would do and allowed them time to come forward but with official Megxit review date of 31st. That should be firm deadline. My opinion of course

Ava C said…
If the Queen makes concessions to the Sussexes that will just prove the monarchy is no longer fit for purpose. The Queen is 94 but I doubt she would ever have had the stomach for this fight. She isn't equipped to deal with Meghan and the 21st century forces behind her. The Queen will be followed by another monarch we already know is weak. We don't have enough time to wait for William, going by the amount of damage that has been done already.
lucy said…
I bet Meg sent in that olive branch article. It came in too quick after statement

snarkyatherbest said…
@lucy - i think you are on to something. March 31 was the exit date. The queen is probably thinking i set that date per the agreement and by golly (hopefully stronger language after a few DuBonnets) its will be on my time frame. I seriously wonder if there isnt more to that agreement and we havent seen it. Maybe titles lost was in there too so the Harkles are trying to get ahead of all of it. Maybe the cut off of funds too, they had a year to get some money of their own started. As I keep saying, if we thought through a lot of this I have to imagine the palace and aides have too. We just dont know what has been done behind the scenes. We only see the public show. And i am still so curious about Archie. She merches the toilet paper she uses, but this kid not at all. and very few pics/sightings etc. Somehow i think the agreement is if you do x we will do y regarding the kid.

As for the peace offering, i think i read one poster somewhere that thought that was a public sign of weakness but maybe its a false flag (or Megs PR) and behind the scenes there is a bigger boom coming. The peace call sure has a lot of people outraged and has a lot of people demanding more against the Harkles. Maybe the palace is doing this to gin up public support for a bigger boom to drop. Kinda like the Palace is making us all sugars by the so-called inaction.
Ròn said…
I think it’s clear from the fact that William made a comment, that he was probably in favour of a more robust approach to the Harkle problem..
Maneki Neko said…
@lizzie

I agree that the Queen making a phone call to Harry doesn't necessarily imply offering an olive branch. The Queen is hardly going to berate the gruesome twosome in public but she may well have a caring but stern word with Harry. She needs to tell him and his harpy what's what.

@LavenderToast

I don't see why the Queen would go back on her word and reinstate patronages etc. This would make her weak and play into H&M's hands. Not happening. As for the titles, she might want until the dust has settled and do it quietly. Any announcement now would sound like retaliation, with more cries of racism from Montecito. The aHarkles have overstepped the mark and I don't think this will go unpunished, in time.






Ava C said…
Ròn - I agree with you that William's response shows he favours a more robust approach. However if their common front starts to visibly fracture we're in big trouble. It's an impossible situation. If someone asked if you were a racist could you say nothing, and go on saying nothing?

I do think some nutties are right that the palace could be testing the temperature with some trial balloons, but we all remember trial balloons are Meghan's MO. Maybe the suggestions above are right that the olive branch idea is not from BP's side. Especially since the Queen has reportedly ordered all staff to be silent while she deals with it personally.

She probably thinks everyone is behaving like over-excited children who need their heads banging together. Sorry, I'm still feeling a little violent. I was amused at the spoof article in the DM today of Oprah interviewing Elizabeth I. The first Queen Elizabeth will start trending at this rate.
xxxxx said…
So The Queen will get Harry on the zoom or the telephone to have a chat? I can't see how they can talk about anything substantive because by now the RF knows that what they say will be recorded and possibly used/distorted by Megs and her PR. If the RF really wants to talk with Harry they have to send their top grey man, even their top lawyer to California to meet with Harry in a secure room that is swept of phones and all recording devices. Perhaps Harry bringing his lawyer. I think Megs has one or two very clever Hollywood lawyers advising her. Lawyers who have seen all the legal and extra-legal tricks. Megs is good but not good enough to come up with all her devious BS.
jessica said…
Reporter: ‘Are the Royal Family racist’
William: ‘No, we aren’t racist’

That’s settled then.

Time to put Meghan on the back foot.
When I left my narc husband, I changed my phone no and went ex directory, because I knew that whatever I said to him if, he rang up, he would twist it to his advantage.

With the more recent narc, we had the final bust-up in April but were both going to an the anniversary party in July and I didn't want to mess that up for the long-term wedded folk.

I managed it without yielding , got through the party, then dropped the bombshell about going No-Contact, in the politest way I could. The delay was excruciating but worth it - I had to be `Grey Rock' most of the summer when what I wanted most of all was to tell her to go Hell.
Jdubya said…
Not sure if this one has been posted before. Saw a link to a different Tarot read i've never heard of. I'm not usually in to Tarot Readings but this one caught my eye. I saw it on LSA & listened to it. He is called Antphrodite and did this reading before the interview was aired. It was pretty fascinating. He is not a RF follower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQmyGXKwGoc

On an OTT note - i woke up this morning to a house that is 59 deg inside. My Furnace stopped working during the night. Won't kick on. Just called Furance people and he should be here about noon (it is 0830). It is 25 deg outside but the sun is shining and it is supposed to be 45 today. Laying clothes is good !!!

jessica said…
WBBM,

Due to the fact a random artist decided to conflate the meaning of ‘call a spade, a spade’ - a garden tool- and known phrase for centuries, with the card version of spades doesn’t change the meaning for a wide margin of the population who translate it’s simple meaning, and is analogous to ‘tell it like it is’. I will not be censored by false racist rhetoric.
Thank you.
re the EU utterances -Perhaps there was a plan, by person or persons unknown, just to use her as an `influencer?.

Just get her somewhere prominent, advertising her views, in the fond belief that the youngsters would follow her lead.

Btw, that bloke in Eugenie's wedding pics was either MA or his doppelganger,imo.
IEschew said…
All, I am behind in my reading. Apologies if this is covered but want to put it out there now because I don’t know if I’ll have another break for several hours and I think it is a way to open the OB/possible surrogacy convo:

@jessica, @ian’s girl, @mom mobile:

Can someone tell me about prenatal OB appointment guidelines in the UK? And was not a US obstetrician with Portland Hospital delivery rights rumored to be Meg’s OB? Because in the US, even back in the early 2000s when I had my children, I recall that it was required that OBs inquire about maternal mental health at every prenatal checkup. My OB checked on my mental health at every visit. For my first child, I had no history of mental illness, and for my second, I had reported having “baby blues” for a couple of weeks postpartum, so they checked aggressively pre- and postnatally. I can only imagine similar or more stringent UK guidelines, given the UK’s more holistic approach to maternal care vis a vis midwifery, etc.

So @ian’s girl, damn straight questions should be asked about Meg’s OBs and prenatal care! A perfect segue.
Jules Bergman said…
You all have recapped the interview wonderfully. I love reading everyone's thoughts and factual information.

From CNN:
"The Meghan and Harry interview also drew a huge audience in the United States. Broadcast network CBS, citing Nielsen data, said the special averaged 17.1 million viewers on Sunday night. In the fragmented US television landscape, 17 million viewers is a staggering figure."

Umm, I beg to differ. I live in Southern California and Los Angeles county has approx. 10 million people, San Diego approx. 3.3 million. !7 million is not 'staggering.'
HappyDays said…
AnyaAmasova said...
That tell: I, Flower, love money, luxury, lots of stuff for free, and I do not give a S about anything or anyone else. I deserve all of this nice stuff, because I am me.

@AnyaAmasova: As the late poet Maya Angelou said. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.”

I think Meghan’s may even fall into the category of what is known in psychology as a dark triad personality, which is a combination of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.

What I find fascinating, and it is commonly a trait of narcs, is that everything Meghan has in her life is due to marrying into the monarchy, but she is so short-sighted (another common narc trait) that she is inflicting huge damage on the very institution that benefits her.

This is why the monarchy must take action to rescind the Sussex titles, the HRH styles, remove Harry and his issue the line of succession and perhaps even demand Harry renounce his bloodline and relinquish being a prince. He enables Meghan and provides her with a platform that must be removed.

Let’s see how far they get as Joe and Josephine sixpack.
lucy said…
Meg's appointment ,and I have only watched snipppets but couple scenes I did watch seemed like she dropped a couple threats

The Archbishop and the wedding. Why lie over something that can be so easily disproved. Probably one of the first things she said. How can you believe
anything she says after?
It is her 4th marriage she knows she needs witnesses

But why say it? to have everyone
scrambling to see if church service was legal? Furious they wasted 30million? or was it so you could say "this wedding was for the world" 🙄

Or just maybe it was to say " you haven't sent us any money and you were at the Christening". Everyone of them could have been photoshopped in photo but that is point of no return. Who baptized the baby?

Actually didn't someone figure out it was impossible for him to be there that day? By design I am sure. See Everyone knows. Nothing will end it, hasn't so far. Meg can get well and become the face of mental health on Oprahs new channel, no HR needed

There is no other way to end it and it is not fair to leave it on W&K as it effects them most. Be the King finish it!!!!!!!

All this nonsense. They are grown adults with MILLIONS of dollars. Where is the outrage , the cries of white privilege. 36year old man,house with TEN bathrooms, with Oprah on national television -across 70 countries bellowing "literally! they cut me off!" 😒

You quit your job. That is what happens. Freedom! Get healthy . Get a job

Maneki Neko said…
The Vat with the Emerald Tiara has an article on Meghan and Wiki changes - scroll down a bit. We knew about her (official) history but it's nice to see Megsy's lies exposed. All the original details there, followed by the amendments.
jessica said…
I’ve had three children. One in Lenox Hill Hospital in NYC where the Clintons and Beyonce delivered. (Beyonce shut down a whole floor the week before I arrived). I had my most recent around ‘Archie’s’ arrival at the Lindo Wing, St Mary’s in Paddington (well known for the Royal kids). I have a kid the same age as Archie, which makes the Archie situation all the more confusing to me! :)

I have to say my OB at Lenox Hill, who I switched too after two rough and somewhat neglectful OBs, was fantastic. Did what I asked. On follow up I had the blues, but could tell it was an awkward conversation. The nurse present had asked ‘how are you feeling’ and I was honest. I felt miserable and highly anxious. They didn’t expect the answer since the entire process had gone swimmingly up until that point. That said, they wrote me a low dose prescription and off I went. Even at the younger age I was, 26, I knew I had to seek help elsewhere and did so. An OB is there to start the process and at a certain point it’s understood you need to champion for yourself.

Interestingly, every provider with Lindo asked how I was at every appointment. I never felt I couldn’t call or seek help, or was restricted in any way.

The fact Meghan says she only sought help through HR is a set up. She’s what 38 at the time? That makes no sense whatsoever.
I’ll have to go back and read her transcript as maybe she wanted ‘help’ with the ‘press’ and conflated the issue verbally.

Personally, I think her claims are nonsense. She didn’t like living in the U.K. and changing her lifestyle (which she emphasizes). Leave it at that. I’ve known many many immigrants that struggle adjusting to a new culture the first two years - everyone puts on some weight :), is a bit lonely, has to rebuild their life and network...that’s normal?

The bigger issue with Meghan is clear -she was having a baby and nesting in a situation she didn’t want to be in, but she couldn’t just leave as she was married. She had to create a melodrama of press intrusion, which would trigger her absent-minded husband into understanding her plight from his perspective and ego. As Harry said, he had no plans to leave. He wouldn’t have left if she simply asked him to go. No, she had to create an entire narrative that would implicate Harry in her death, triggering his feelings of loss and hopelessness around Diana. Harry could avenge Meghan.

Manipulation at its finest. I don’t like Harry, but watching that interview was pretty rough.

Back to the point. Meghan maybe perpetuating the ‘did she or didn’t she’ have Archie narrative. Not ever mentioning her OB is a red flag. She would have been seeing at least one medical doctor, consistently. Oprah was clearly instructed to not ask about the doctors. That would have been an obvious logical follow up for any concerned friend, “you’re doctors didn’t ask anything??”
Further, recall after she supposedly had Archie and gave the SA interview. ‘No ones asked if I’m ok.’ What kind of negligent nurses and doctors was this woman seeing? Name and shame them, as that would be awful! But, her melodrama is most likely due to not having doctors...

I don’t trust anything she says due to how calculated she is. It makes the most sense to me that she had a surrogate.



SirStinxAlot said…
Immediately after the interview weren't the articles saying Meghans jewelry was a sign of an olive branch for the RF? I figured it was just a way to merch her trinkets.
luxem said…
I think the Queen is using the "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" approach. I could see her being empathetic about how difficult the last four years were. Then, saying, "Let's start from the beginning and tell me EVERYTHING that happened over the years to you so I can see understand where lessons can be learned from your experience." That gets all the arrows out on the table. She asks for time to work through the issues and reiterates the need for privacy. They walk away with a depleted arsenal and no legit reason to talk about it publicly again - as they said they desired.
SirStinxAlot said…
I thought the headline about the jewelry being an olive branch dumb. This "olive branch" stories are probably coming from the Sussex PR. Now that the polls revealed they are not trusted, liked, and many was relevant at all. 17.1 million viewers is squat.
snarkyatherbest said…
Didnt i see somewhere the superbowl had nearly 100MM viewers. Yes 17.1 is squat but it does help to sell a narrative that people are interested in 1) oprah, her new conversation series gets a good promo 2) the harkles. But the latter will get tested future advertisers and sponsors will still want to test market the subjects and with little recent social media activities it will be hard to sell that they are a draw. They drew to old media but not new? some algorithm somewhere is looking pro markle negative markle postings and developing a regional response (plays poorly in UK, plays well on woke coasts, plays powerly in redstates versus blue?) lack of actual social media is a problem for them and they cant capitalized on it. then again, maybe Oprah paid $100,000 per copyright pic used in the show so they made a million the other night. I see its gonna replay in the states on friday night - not a good TV night especially as lots of states are reopening for indoor events But they will be paid for the usage of those pics. Then again, she will blow through all of that in pr in the next few weeks.
luxem said…
RE: passport, keys, license taken away. She is purposely is vague about WHO took it away. Harry himself joked that "Royals don't carry money", so wouldn't it make sense that her secretary carried those things for her if needed? Did she even have a British Driver's License to drive somewhere if she wanted? She demands security everywhere she goes, but wants to drive herself alone somewhere? It makes no sense.
lucy said…
I wonder what ratings were for 60 Minutes. It is fairly popular played before it. Of that 17million only 2.5 were under aged 49. Methinks they put a bunch of old people to sleep.

Terrible ratings for age group and that is only way they broke it down, 2 groups.

As frustrated as everyone is imagine those workers that came forward. They must be seething

Hey remember when someone kept buying up domain names and directing website to gold digger song? LOL! reme that was really great 😂
jessica said…
snarkyyerthebest,

Meghan doesn’t need social media. Social media is great for PR, but poor for conversion to sales. She needs a robust strategy around what Archewell is and it’s product. If she plugged that during Oprah, it would have been a goldmine. She has no product and from my understanding she either has poor advisors or is hard headed and doesn’t understand digital businesses. She seems to be going the traditional route : billboard advertising, selling her photos to publications (not a terrible idea considering SM would be free access photos), and merching. This is a highly inefficient way to run a business nowadays. She’ll have to constantly come up with more drama to remain of interest. This is why there is speculation about the inevitable Harry divorce, which would provide her small platform with celeb drama for years. Netflix and Spotify, same thing: Billboards.

Her numbers pre Oprah were abysmal. She has a very small market. We are several days on from her interview and interest is waning. She probably used Oprah to court more product placement deals. Like I said, her biz strategy is dated and expensive.
Ava C said…
I keep thinking back to an article I read yesterday- namely Where The Hell Was Harry?! when Meghan was suffering oh so much?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14289447/where-was-harry-as-meghan-struggled/

If there is any substance to this at all, Harry is the first in line to be asked 'Why didn't you do something?'. There IS some substance to it in that Meghan did a shoddy job being a royal and if she had been prepared by Harry even before royal aides tried to get through, she may have adjusted a little better and then the press and public wouldn't have become so hostile. Of course then she wouldn't have had the excuse to get back to California ...

Oprah could JUST ONCE have asked Harry about this. To see them get away with so much, not a single logical question in response, is by far the worst aspect for me.
AnT said…
@jessica,

Your brilliant, lucid comment echos, in a richer way, what so many if my friends have said this week as well.
jessica said…
Did anyone else notice in the Oprah chicken clip that when they arrive at the coop they are on elevated land next to the roofline of the house? I will go back and look at it, but if so the house we think they live in Montecito is obviously incorrect. It doesn’t have a hill next to it or behind it.
snarkyatherbest said…
Just looked it up - 60 minutes had nearly 9milliion viewers I also dont know if it started on times. Sometimes sporting events will delay the broadcast for a few or 30 minutes. Looks like they had a 0.8 for the demographic of 18-49 year olds. the Oprah interview had 2.5MM. just shows that most of the young folk dont watch regular television as much.
gfbcpa said…
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gfbcpa said…
Here is a link to the photos of Meghan and Archie with the Silver Tree kids. Apologies if this has been posted before.


https://dresslikeaduchess.com/2021/03/meghan-markles-friend-shares-new-photos-of-the-duchess-and-archie/
snarkyatherbest said…
Jessica - you are right "birth" of number 2, some sold pics on those but none with archie, divorce all will create an interest but yes, that will wane. She needs $$$ funneling through archewell to fund her lifestyle and it just seems she has no other "cause" but herself. Hmmm, maybe she can be the next bachelorette after the divorce; i thought originally a real housewives gig but she wouldnt want to share screen time and she her bs wouldnt get past andy cohen.

DeerAngels said…
William has spoken out at school visit. When a reporter asked if he has spoken to "them", he said no but he will. His actual words are somewhat chilling. I would love to be the fly on the telephone wires when that conversation occurs. Unusual for senior royal to respond. Awesome William is locked, loaded and ready for bear.
AnT said…
And, @jessica,

per your 6:37 pm reply to @snarkyatherbest,


I agree. Such terrible ratings numbers. A boon for everyone other than CBS, though. And Oprah gets her little payday.

But like you, my friends in media say the 17m, with low 2.5 for their young desired target, must be very disappointing for the network, and disaster for MM.

An LA friend said gossip there is calling it a gut kick for the Oprah brand, and that she seemed low energy, outdated, and ineffective. Yes it caused royal and issue dust to fly and lots of unsavory fallout, so agenda-wise, O and M may be delighted. But in Hwood, they are also saying M’s value fell, what is her product or hook beyond complaining. Totally nebulous, and a very dated approach as you said. I wouldn’t even call it a strategy.

My friend also mentions people she knows questioning the next interview O could do to raise numbers as she flopped here, and seems too connected to past figures, or granny-gets. To swim upward now, she would have to get Rihanna, for example, and can she do that, and would Rihanna fans even want to see her interviewed by dull, low energy, suburban billionaire Oprah? Would Beyoncé want to be second after Markle? Would Oprah’s demographic know who Chris Evans is? Etc.

They caused a horrid royal mess we are watching now, but it also showed O and M aren’t going to churn views. Damaging.
D1 said…
No idea if this has already been posted....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9351033/Trevor-Phillips-says-Oprah-asked-Harry-Meghan-princes-past-behaviour.html

Trevor Phillips says Oprah should have asked Harry and 'remarkably ill-informed' Meghan about the prince's 'own past behaviour and remarks' on race

The Monarchy has been plunged into crisis following accusation of racism
But a young Harry had caused a stir himself when, at just 20 years old, he dressed up for a party in a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband
Charles Moore reveals writer and former politician Trevor Phillips contacted him
'A genuinely interesting question about race would have been to ask the couple whether they had discussed Harry's own past behaviour and remarks,' he said
Miggy said…
Re: William speaking out.

Richard Palmer has tweeted in reply to someone...

It was at the end of the visit as they were just walking to their car. They had said they would not answer questions and did not want us to ask. Had one of us not, we would have been accused of failing to do our job.
AnT said…
@snarkyatherbest,

Interesting. I know the only times we even glance at 60 minutes would be when visiting an elderly relative who had it (loudly) on.

jessica said…
Snarkyatherbest,

Meghan on real housewives being grilled by Andy is what we all need! I would LOVE to see that! He already mentioned he wanted to ask her, ‘So you knew you wouldn’t be sticking around prior to the wedding, right?’ We need Andy on this thread.

Meghan’s goldmine is divorcing Harry.

She seems stuck on ‘I want to be an influencer.’ As her ultimate career goal. It’s weird. I guess she was very impacted by Paris Hilton and Kim’s success during the 2000s and hasn’t given it up.
AnT said…
@Deer,

As I said upstream, reports are that Kate is getting thousands upon thousands of threatening vile tweets from sugars since the interview. I have no doubt William is ready for a major smack down of the Harkles. He is not the Queen cozy with her Tupperware and television, worrying about her husband, nor Charles seeking sad haven in his library.

William is on the fortress wall now, flexing. He knows all the things.
jessica said…
AnT:

The younger crowd on Reddit upvoted a meme of the millionaire MH and billionaire Oprah interviewing each other as elitism propaganda, over 44,000 times. The story arc of hopelessness isn’t cutting it with kids when income disparity is at an all time high. Kids these days have real issues and they are happy to point that out.

Meghan’s market seems to be 18-20 something year old women who have an eye on marrying rich and a penchant for bad character with an inability to critically think. Basically, younger versions of herself.

Side note: Beyoncé speaking up. She has a big contract with Netflix. Must suck not being able to control her tightly held brand anymore.
luxem said…
I would love to hear from the helicopter pilot that quit, the models used in the SmartWorks campaign, the Vogue editor ousted after the "Wild about Harry" cover.

It also occurred to me that the woman who shall not be named had outspoken support from Hillary, Serena and Beyonce - three woman not exactly known for admitting they are wrong about anything.
jessica said…
I particularly loved Williams response.

The laugh and immediately walking over to touch Kate. He seems like a really good guy. No wonder Meghan hates Kate. Her husband has ethics and a backbone.
@Flore said…
@IEschew
@jessica
The first thing that confirmed her lie for me was that she was pregnant AND suicidal. She threw mud at Portland.
Similar experiences in what would be considered a 5 stars maternity care à la Portland or Lindo. Mental health for expectant mothers is not neglected! At every appointment, my obgyn asked pertinent questions and listened carefully to my answers. It was my doctor who first diagnosed my anxiety and took the issue very seriously. Megalo was so stupid to say she was both suicidal and pregnant!
@Flore said…
@AnT
Yes please let William handle her! Kate was not amused by the blunt question but William took care of it very efficiently.
Jdubya said…
Didn't they do a presentation at some bank conference in Florida after they first moved here? and if i remember correctly, didn't harry talk about his horrid life and tell them he'd been in counselling for 3 yrs?

So, if i am remembering correctly, that 3 yrs would've been the time he and M were married. so was he in counselling & refused to get M help?
jessica said…
@Flore,

Yes! Oprah dropped the ball with that!!! Meghan, just sitting around going to glamorous events pregnant and highly suicidal and *gasp* no one knew? Harry is from the UPPER class. The first question would be, have you talked to XYZ about that? Not HR.
lucy said…
On radio this morning (AM not music) had a 5 second blurb on Beyonce coming out in support of Meg. Named maybe 4 others too. Didn't recognize them.

They had better numbers after 60 Minutes then I figured. Interesting it was the over 50 crowd. Running again here tomorrow night 🙄

Meg really could have been a pioneer for RF. An advocate for surrogacy. Up in age, greater risk. Almost expected, maybe smart.

I have to take off but there is a great quote over at Plant's. I don't want to quote wrong country, do check it out 😂



Snarkyatherbest said…
jdubya here it is

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7978959/Prince-Harry-Meghan-make-keynote-speech-exclusive-JPMorgan-event-Miami.html

hmmm gayle introduced meghan so she could introduce harry.

JennS said…
From the London Times:

Part 1

Prince William denies Harry and Meghan’s interview claims: ‘We’re not a racist family’

Valentine Low
Thursday March 11 2021, 5.00pm GMT

The Duke of Cambridge has become the first member of the royal family to deny accusations of racism when he spoke out at an engagement in London.

In a sign of how seriously the duke is taking the crisis facing the monarchy, he said: “We’re very much not a racist family.”

He also revealed that he had not yet communicated with his brother since the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s interview with Oprah Winfrey in which they accused the royal family of racism and neglect.

Asked if he had spoken to Harry he replied: “No I haven’t spoken to him yet but I will do.”

The palace’s only official response so far has been a brief statement on behalf of the Queen in which they said the issue of race was “concerning”.

William was confronted by a shouted question from a television reporter as he and the duchess left an engagement at a school in east London.

Normally members of the royal family ignore such impromptu questions. When the Prince of Wales faced a similar question on Tuesday, he gave a nervous chuckle and carried on walking. However, William appears to be more willing to confront the issue publicly.

The most damaging allegation of the Sussexes’ interview was their assertion that an unnamed member of the royal family had expressed concerns about how dark their unborn son Archie’s skin tone might be.

There has been much speculation about which member of the royal family they were referring to. But during the interview the couple would not be drawn on who had deeply offended them. “I think that would be very damaging to them,” said Meghan.

They also said the duchess had not received any help when she was feeling suicidal, despite talking to someone “very senior” in the institution.

The duke’s disclosure that he had not spoken to Harry since the interview was broadcast in the US on Sunday night as a measure of how deep the rift between the two brothers has become. William is said to be very sad about how bad things have got between them.

In the interview Harry stopped short of attacking his older brother. “I love William to bits, he’s my brother,” he said, but he described their relationship as “space, at the moment”. He added: “Time heals all things, hopefully.”

With senior members of the royal family said to be “reeling” at Harry and Meghan’s accusations, it has emerged that the Queen plans to contact the couple personally to offer an olive branch.

She is expected to speak to the couple on the phone in the next few days, according to the Daily Mail. It is also said that she issued a “three-line whip” to prevent staff from discussing the situation publicly.
JennS said…
Part 2 - William

“It is difficult to overestimate how shellshocked everyone is by what has happened,” a source told the newspaper. “People are literally reeling from what has happened, and some staff would dearly love to publicly rebut some of what has been said about them.

“But the Queen has taken a very measured, sensible approach. She is leading by example. This is a matter for her and the family to deal with.”

Meanwhile Alex Beresford has addressed Piers Morgan’s exit from Good Morning Britain, saying: “I didn’t want him to quit, but I did want him to listen.”

The TV presenter, who challenged Morgan over his views about the Duchess of Sussex, prompting Morgan to storm off the set, said: “Challenging his opinion was not an outrage.

Sharing a lengthy statement on Twitter, Beresford said: “There is so much that could be said. Piers’ departure sincerely wasn’t the conclusion I was hoping for.

“Over the last few years, Piers and I have had a lively, cheeky on-air relationship. We both wanted to be on the show Tuesday morning, and from our very public conversations on Twitter, we both knew how strongly our opinions differed on the treatment of Harry and Meghan pre and post the interview that has split the world.

“I hoped we could reach a place of understanding. It’s sad that we weren’t able to get there, but challenging his opinion was not an outrage. On this occasion, we have to agree to disagree.

“I didn’t want him to quit, but I did want him to listen.

“Personally, Piers has always supported my growth. He’s given me advice on several occasions and for that I am grateful. I wish him well!”
jessica said…
I’m in the middle of watching this https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2021/03/09/body-language-harry-meghan/

She is explaining the simple way Markle is relaxed when talking about herself, and her deception mannerisms when talking about anything other than her self. Her stiff posture, and head nodding for ‘believe me!’ Actions to persuade the Listener.

It’s 6 mins long.
SirStinxAlot said…
Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there stories about Meghan wanting to invite the press to a cocktail hour type thing (in hopes of getting better coverage) but was told Not a good idea after announcing their lawsuit stabbing the media. Why was H complaining about the media having a party at the palace? Presidents and other diplomats have them too.
jessica said…
In a later shown clip, Harry tells Oprah that after his charity speech during Megxit a random connected reporter came up to him and told him to not start a war with the press, and that the UK as a whole was bigoted to which Harry retaliated that the Uk wasn’t bigoted the Press is, and the guy told him no, the UK is.

What is with this couple distancing themselves from their beliefs and blaming ‘other people told me so’. It’s aggravating and unverifiable.
snarkyatherbest said…
Im waiting for the Sussex PR In a move to seek forgiveness from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Kate Middleton (yes that's how they would phrase it) wore pink in honor of Meghan's baby girl. Wills is eager to speak to his brother, reported heard him comment.
@Flore said…
@SirStinksAlot

To quote H the nameless:
Harry: Yes, but it’s . . . there is this invisible . . . what’s termed or referred to as the ‘invisible contract’ behind closed doors between the institution and the tabloids, the UK tabloids.

Oprah: How so?

Harry: Well, it is . . . to simplify it, it’s a case of if you . . . if you as a family member are willing to wine, dine and give full access to these reporters, then you will get better press.

The irony being that he is the one that benefited most from this agreement with the press! He is such a hypocrite!
@jessica

I apologise.

My comment wasn't intended as criticism but concern lest you were unaware of this secondary meaning. You're braver than I am - there are some quarters here where one daren't ask for `white coffee', or where pressure from colleagues can make someone change the name of her cat.

I'm expecting the name of Anna Sewell's horse to be changed at any moment; there's controversy about the name of Guy Gibson's Labrador dog every time `The Dambusters' is shown on TV. There's no hope of us ever being shown repeats of `Rising Damp' again - our `censors' are incapable of recognising when it's the bigots, like Rigsby, who are being held up for ridicule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Damp
Sylvia said…
Do all Nuttys remember this first 'olive branch' mention? Now there is the same word usage again ..

May 8th

Was there a hidden olive branch in Meghan’s Oprah interview jewellery?

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex appear to be at loggerheads with The Firm, but Meghan's choice of necklace told a different attention a day after

  The Telegraph

Meghan Markle wearing a Pippa Small necklace during her interview with Oprah

 Sarah Royce-Greensill, Jewellery & Watches Editor

8 MARCH 2021 • 1:38 AM



By now, the Duchess is used to her every fashion choice being pored over for hidden messages and clues. So there’s every chance that, in choosing to wear a piece by Pippa Small, she was sending out a small but significant olive branch to her increasingly estranged in-laws. Given that she and her father-in-law, at least, share a particular passion for sustainable, traditional crafts, why not all just get along

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/jewellery/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-jewellery-bracelet-diamond-meaning/amp/
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Hikari said...
This article is very topical—the personal story of a black woman married to a white man whose daughter looks completely Caucasian. She’s experienced strangers in the grocery store being suspicious of her as having kidnapped a white baby. Her own mother told her flatly, “if you wanted a black baby, you should’ve married a black man.“ Ouch. I live in a small town in the Midwest, but interracial relationships a very common here, and I’m surprised that anyone anywhere in 2021 would openly stare at a mixed race couple and their kids like it’s 1961, especially in bigger metro areas. Genes are fascinating things. This doesn’t prove to me however that an Markle herself has giving birth to a white looking baby. Or any baby, full stop.


Snort. Nobody ever asked me if I 'kidnapped' or adopted a black baby When I take the youngest grandson to the grocery store. The biggest example of 'racism' that I've heard was when I heard that a young black intern from New Jersey was skipping meals because he couldn't afford to eat. "C'mon, let's go to lunch, I'm buying!" I said. "No, I can't do that." "Why? You can take me out to eat when you get your Master's degree and go into admin." "No, I mean somebody might lynch me!" "WHAT? Get in the truck, let's go, I'm HUNGRY!" So, we went to a very crowded BBQ place that was filled with construction workers of all shapes, sizes, and colors because the BBQ was really good. When we left, he said "Nobody even looked at us!" (He must have been keeping watch.) Apparently New Jersey is an extremely racist place. The alternative could be that he was a racist himself because of what he assumed stereotypes about southern white people.
Hikari said…
@Deer

William has spoken out at school visit. When a reporter asked if he has spoken to "them", he said no but he will. His actual words are somewhat chilling. I would love to be the fly on the telephone wires when that conversation occurs. Unusual for senior royal to respond. Awesome William is locked, loaded and ready for bear.

The Narkleheads are reactive, not smart. It's a really stupid move to continue to antagonize the future head of the monarchy like this. The Dumbarse Duo know that Charles is a pushover, and Granny, well, they still seem to think they can wheedle her. ER has always selected the course of least possible action and she keeps herself well distanced from family conflicts, even before distancing was a thing. It is my personal belief that she will leave the revocation of titles/succession, etc, and any harsher sanctions to her successors. Charles has always been susceptible to flattery, which is why Megalo got so far with him. Our best hope now is that Charles will agree to let William 'handle' the distasteful Sussex mess so Chas can technically keep his hands clean. But he's got to be willing to give William that kind of authority and not undermine him with waffling.

The Harkles must be betting on being able to play the Queen and Charles for years to come, but if I were in their shoes, I'd think twice about making a sworn enemy of William. Do they not think as Prince of Wales, even before the big promotion coming his way, that he won't get increased power to shred them? I hope Lord Geidt, ousted by Charles, can be reinstated to William's court, because he is precisely the kind of no-nonsense, smart and ruthless advisor the Windsors need to deal with this. Charles and Andy had Lord G. sacked owing to his failure in their eyes to suck up to their monstrous coddled Royal egos. As gatekeeper to the Queen, he took his job too seriously for their liking. He didn't toady for favor in other words. As to why the Queen's whinging children got to dictate who would and would not serve as Her Majesty's private secretary remains a bit of a head scratcher. It's when I heard that Charles was able to bully Lord G. from his post that made me think that the Queen has largely checked out of the kinds of Palace intrigues that she would have at one time quashed with a single word.

I believe forms of bullying do occur in the Firm . . just not toward Megsie. She is conflagrating being told "No, we do not do that; it is not Royal" with being 'bullied' and singled out for 'racist attacks'. This self-styled paragon of international relations actually thought that she'd be signing autographs at appearances as a Royal Duchess. I'm sure whoever told her that she absolutely could not do that got labeled a bully.

Hikari said…
While Harry was off getting stoned in nightclubs and faffing around with videogames and playing fascist dress-up, William has been being groomed to be King, from his Gan Gan, not his father. He may have never wanted the job initially, but since becoming a father himself he has embraced his destiny. Diana sowed the seeds of Harry's discontent early, perhaps, with her 'Good King Harry' routine and putting about her opinion that her younger son had the better temperament to rule. How very wrong she was! Her assessment seemed to be entirely based upon the shallow assumption that cheeky more outwardly outgoing Harry would wear the mantle of leadership more easily than his more reticent brother. An outgoing personality certainly is an asset when one's job consists of meeting crowds of people all day, but that is not all the job entails, and she should have known that.

William and Harry seem to have reenacted a similar set of conversations that took place between his grandmother and great-Aunt Margaret when they were little girls. Shy, bookish, horsey Lilibet acknowledged that her vivacious little sister would be ever so much better at Queening, and at least one movie treatment has envisioned the young ladies proposing just such a swap to a courtier . . .perhaps their father's equerry Sir Tommy Lascelles. ER eventually accepted that she couldn't get out of her duty and just play around with horses as she might have wished. It seems that Margo always possessed a sense of that interior grievance that she, the obviously natural Queen, had been relegated by fate of birth into second position, trailing behind her sister forever.

The same grievance has been nurtured in Harry. William may have said, once or more than that, as a child of 7 or 10 that he wished he didn't have to be King, and why couldn't Harry do it instead? This is a natural question of a child facing an unknown future that he knew was going to be hard, and perhaps not his preference in life--but it doesn't follow that Harry should have gotten the job by default. Diana died just weeks before Harry was due to start at Eton, but surely during the first 12 years of his life, she'd had ample evidence that her younger son took after her in the academics department and was, like her, frivolous, whereas her elder more reserved and serious child was a more natural fit for his coming institutional role. She expressed this to the KP chef one day as "William is serious, like his father. Harry is an airhead like me." We've had ample proof through history that airheads do not make good monarchs. Hello, Richard II, Marie Antoinette & more recently, Edward VIII.

Diana had some good qualities but she was dumb as a plank when it came to history, obviously. Harry should never have been indulged in the fantasy that he could take over from William or was in some way more deserving than William. But with Diana essentially undermining William's Kingship within the family while Wills was still in short pants, that is what she has contributed to, whether or not that was her intention. I do think her apparent preference for Harry and making comments about the brothers' temperaments the way she did was a form of revenge against 'the Institution' that made her feel like an outsider. William belonged to the Crown, as embodied by Charles. What better way to disparage her husband and the whole set-up by casting doubt upon not only Charles's suitability to rule, but also that of his designated heir? Harry was surplus to the Crown's requirements as 'the spare', and with her own personality traits made manifest in him, he was her little Mini-me (though William looked like her). Harry looks like his paternal side, but his personality and his Issues have his mother all over them. I think Diana appropriated Harry as 'hers' and spoiled him to make up for the Crown's disinterest.

Hikari said…
Diana didn't do Harry any favors. Without the 'Good King Harry' narrative, we wouldn't be here now. But Diana can't be blamed for how Harry turned out all by herself. She's been gone for the last two-thirds of his life. Charles has always wanted to be liked too much, and has chosen being liked over being respected, not just by his sons but by everyone. He's the one that built his 15 year old kid a nightclub in the basement and has gotten Harry out of every scrape since then, with the law, with teachers, with the military . . Spoiling him with things and with Get out of Jail free cards but not lavishing much in hte way of paternal attentions or time. I've got compassion for Charles here because as a father he is a product of his own experience of parental neglect as a child. He lacked role models in being a supportive parent who nonetheless is not treated as a doormat/cash machine by his children. He has bent over backwards to be a more sensitive and humane father to his boys than Philip was to him, but he has swung too far the other way.

Whatever his failings, Charles does not deserve the current treatment. Nor does any of hte family. What a shame they didn't leave Harry at that dude ranch in Australia when they had the chance.

It's William I feel the sorriest for, really. Kate is being targeted by trolls, but she's got William to lean on. She still has good relationships with both of her siblings. Wiliam has her to lean on, too, but in terms of the institution, and his future job, he's on his own. He's got his Auntie Anne and his Uncle and Aunt Wessex, but they are much older and won't be around forever. His brother was supposed to be an integral plank of William's future court, and where Harry was, there's just a big gaping hole. And on a personal level, he essentially is bereft of his only sibling--the uncle who will never know his niece and nephews.

I hope William gets his wish for a more robust approach to dealing with the Harkle threat, and soon. Nobody can afford to delay until William has more power. No matter what happens, this is a really dark time for the Royal family, and darkest of all for Charles and William. Harry has no interest in or intention of reconciliation, that's very obvious.
Mel said…
SirStinxAlot said…

Immediately after the interview weren't the articles saying Meghans jewelry was a sign of an olive branch for the RF? 
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She couldn't just phone one of them, like a normal person??

Oh, no. No dramatic enough. She has to send a secret signal via her jewelry on national TV. Too weird.
snarkyatherbest said…
@Mel, and you cant merch a private conversation.
Mel said…
To those asking Where was H?

Out drinking with Adele?
Stephanie_123 said…
Hi All,

Such great, insightful comments today from so many posters here. Charade, your comments were particularly interesting :-)

Also, I apologize in advance if this topic has already been covered. I had to get some work done today and, so far, have only read the first 210 entries on this new post.

I could not bring myself to watch the Oprah interview — I can’t bear Meghan’s voice and manner of speaking. Something about her produces an anxiety response in me (and I am generally fairly unflappable). Anyway, someone here mentioned that there was a transcript of the interview in The Sun. So, I went over there to read it.

At the same time, I wanted to see the video of Archie on the beach and did a search for it . The search brought up a link to the clip on the Inside Edition web site (link below).

I noticed an interesting discrepancy between the Sun’s transcript and the video.

In The Sun’s transcript, the interview starts with:

“OPRAH: We can’t hug, everybody is double-masked and has face shields. You look lovely. Do you know if you’re having a boy or a girl?”

In the Inside Edition video clip, as Meghan walks in, Oprah exclaims:

“You *really* are having a baby!”

Meghan stops walking as Oprah makes her exclamation and the footage is cut a couple times. For the briefest moment, Meghan’s eyes seem to flash displeasure, then she smiles, grabs her bump and says yes. From this point, the video more or less mirrors the text in The Sun.

Opening snark on Oprah’s part? Why did The Sun’s transcript omit Oprah’s opening comment?

https://www.insideedition.com/archie-plays-on-the-beach-with-meghan-and-harry-in-adorable-new-video-65378

I've probably said this before but I recall from way back, hearing/reading that Diana said that Harry was the one she worried about but William would be alright - he was the sensible one.

It's very common scenario - a clear instance of the effect of birth order. The elder of 2 being given responsibility at an early age and having more contact with adults, perhaps more like an only child; the younger learning how to be charming and manipulative in order to draw attention away from the elder sib. It happened repeatedly in my family & my in-laws.
hunter said…
Wow poor Prince William is getting ROASTED online for his simple comment of defense. Yikes.
Maneki Neko said…
The DM says 'Oprah's pal Gayle King doubles down on claims that Meghan Markle 'has plenty of receipts' to back up her explosive interview allegations - after Duchess' friend insisted Sussexes have kept 'emails and texts'.

If Megsy is so meticulous about keeping emails and texts, I trust she gave all the relevant ones to Warby.

=====

Re jewellery and 'hidden' olive branch, a couple of days ago the DM mentioned that The Duchess of Cambridge wore a set of £85 earrings from Meghan Markle's favourite brand Missoma during an appearance hours after her sister-in-law claimed the two women had a tearful confrontation days before the royal wedding.' ... Kate 'donned £85 earrings signifying 'love and compassion' from Meghan Markle's favourite brand' .... 'The brand, which is a favourite of Kate's sister-in-law Meghan, 39, describes the earrings online as featuring 'a heart-based healing crystal that radiates love, compassion and all-around good vibes' suspended from a 'texture gold vermeil hoop.'

Maybe an olive branch of sorts (if so, not enough for Megalo).

hunter said…
Good catch Stephanie, that's funny and interesting.
New Lady C up. It's about race relations, and at the end, about how dangerous MM's statements were concerning her being "suicidal."

Lady C said what others have said here. That MM's gyno would have been looking for any signs of mental problems because they pop up so often with all of the raging hormones during pregnancy. Also, as we've said, that MM could have just asked her gyno for a reference to a psychologist or psychiatrist.
Maneki Neko said…
@WBBMW OT

'there are some quarters here where one daren't ask for `white coffee''.

Quite. You may remember when certain London boroughs (e.g. Islington, Haringey) decreed that you could not say black [rubbish] bags/sacks, you had to say 'green' even though they were black. As for coffee, it had to be 'without milk' (or possibly 'green'!) and so on and so forth.
xxxxx said…
Yes Prince William is getting roasted by the brainwashed leftist twitter mobs. The little monsters of the wokerati, the woke mobsters. Utter trash comments along with their pics and videos they think are clever.

Here is what shows up on twitter when you search --- Prince William
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Prince%20William%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Maneki Neko said…
@Jocelyn'sBellinis

'Lady C said what others have said here. That MM's gyno would have been looking for any signs of mental problems because they pop up so often with all of the raging hormones during pregnancy. Also, as we've said, that MM could have just asked her gyno for a reference to a psychologist or psychiatrist.'
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This would be assuming that Megalo was actually pregnant, even assuming she was depressed. An obstetrician isn't much use to a moonbump.
@Flore said…
I don’t like this whole olive branch narrative. Is TQ acting as head of state or head of the family ? As head of state, she may be trying to put out the fires lit by woke and joke and their sugars in the US. In other words, doing her job to ensure that diplomatic relations dont get affected by this nonsense. It could be understandable.
As head of the family, that same olive branch would be a big mistake. The Harkles played it safe. TQ was the only one who got praised. They know how popular and respected she is worldwide. She is untouchable. She is also 95 years. She is the big boss and she is very rich. Megalo knows what she’s doing.
This whole telling my truth BS is a not so subtle threat to get more money. Hapless seemed so gutted that daddy stopped paying the bills. I had to sign those lucrative deals with streaming companies i.e. if I sell your secrets you can only blame yourselves. I am only doing it to protect my family. No one can blame me: you’re bigots and you refuse to help us.
They need money. Desperately. They need to raise their profile to earn some money.
If TQ is acting as a concerned grandma who wants to coddle her grandchild and his wife, the BRF will need to face the possibility of an unprecedented public uproar. If she gives into the blackmail, it will never end. If she is trying to reign him in with some emotional guilt, it will backfire. Hapless may become suicidal.
TQ is too lenient when it comes to family, even more so since PP’s retirement.
The best approach would be to cut ties completely and send them well wishes. Zero contact with a malignant narcissist is the only solution. But not when you’re a high profile powerful family and the narc is a media w#ore. I hope they are wise enough to consult a psychiatrist before making a decision.
Maybe MM was so "suicidal" because her husband left her a couple of days after Archie was born to go to Amsterdam for an announcement about the Invictus games. That easily could have been done by a video release. These days, there is no need to be there physically.

So, great job of taking care of your wife and new baby, Harry. :/
Nutty Flavor said…
Hello, just stopping in, glad the conversation is flowing.

The New York Post just put up an article that's supposedly about Meghan's many trips despite her claim that her passport was taken away.

However, they've intentionally included numerous photos from February 19 and 20th 2019, when Meg was in New York City for her famous baby shower.

The photos, all supposedly taken within the same 48 hours, show Meg's drastically diverging bump sizes.

(I would imagine that the Post photographers noticed at the time, but weren't given the liberty to say anything.)

Looks like the media is setting up for a surrogate reveal story.

Check it out: https://pagesix.com/2021/03/11/meghan-markle-trips-passport-removed/
@Nutty, Oh Nutty I hope you are right, and I hope it's sprung by an American news outlet, so then she can't scream that that racist British press and RF is out to destroy her. The Post did a good job organising the photos so each bump size is so different from the one directly previous. I guess I'm tired of seeing the bad guys win all the time.
Humor Me said…
So when did Gayle King, and Oprah, aid and abet in blackmail? The comment, they have all the emails and receipts, now public for a second article (the first being with "friend" Janina) smacks of threats, a.k.a. black mail.
i am furious, and hope that the royal family does not bow these two reprobates.
@Puds,

"So Gayle Whats her name and another actress whose name I always spell wrong says Megs has all the receipts and text from her time in the BRF, she also has all the secret filming and sound recordings she made but claimed but under oath to a British Judge that all her texts were deleted after 30 days ( some networks allow you to get deleted text from way back for a fee). She was also twice asked to hand over her devices but failed to do so. This surely is evidence for an MOS Appeal to the High Court. It is also evidence of what a scam artist she is."
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Puds,

Great points! It infuriates me that the judge gave her a direct order to turn over her cell phone TWICE, and she didn't do it. Then, he just lets her off the hook after directly ignoring his own court order. Any of us would be held in contempt of court if we did that. This judge needs to be looked at very closely.

Any judge worth his position would have said to her after she didn't turn over her phone the first time,

"I don't care if you say there's nothing on your cell phone. I gave you a direct order, and I expect you to comply. Otherwise, I will charge you with contempt of court or throw your entire case out, with you paying all of the defendant's court costs and lawyer fees, as well as your own."




Blithe Spirit said…
Nutty Flavor,

Just checked out the NY Post article. The optics of the disappearing bump within the space of one day are unmissable. Juxtaposing the amount of trips she took with quotes from the interview where she said her passport, driver's license etc was taken away is a brilliant way of exposing how "recollections may vary."
Thanks for the alert!
JennS said…
Re Hot💋Rob:

**NeutralObserver said...

@JennS, I looked at the Rob Lowe house pictures & couldn't tell if it could be the interview site, but the little white house which is also on the property reminded me of the wooden house in the Gloria Steinem interview.
Rob Lowe is a businessman. It would make sense that he might rent the house out so that it just doesn't sit idly while he decides what he wants to do with it. If Megs has been renting his property for photoshoots, Rob might know all kinds of stuff about the Harkles, which makes his joke about Harry sightings so intriguing. The Harkles might even not be living together, as many have hinted. I believe in their marriage is good in the way the Clinton marriage is good, for convenience only.
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**@NeutObs
Great Post!
I was surprised that right after I changed my avatar to a pleasant photo of Hot💋Rob rather than the evil countenance of the Duchess of Deceit, out came the theory that Rob may have loaned his property to Oprah for the interview. Meghan Markle just needs to stay away from our secret Montecito Weapon. She continues to come out on top winning every plot point - she absolutely CAN NOT have HotRob too!🤣🤣

Rob owns/has owned so many properties in the area that there is a good chance Oprah did indeed rent one of them. Oprah is friendly with Rob having been neighbors for many years. It would have been convenient to stay right in the area.

I also wonder if his previous property currently up on the market again may have been used while it stands empty. I noticed in the Daily Mail there was a smaller story about the listing of his former home placed within another article on the interview. Is this a hint from the DM?

Regardless it is noted that Oprah is being secretive about the location. On Gayle's show the following morning Oprah would not say any more than it was filmed at the house of a friend and she was respecting the friend's privacy. (paraphrasing)

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**Curious said...
@JennS said...
Where did you read that they filmed there?
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It was posted on the DeuxMoi insta page with the link to the dirt.com article. I just did a google search for the listing for more photos.
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**@Curious Thanks for the tip! I did find this too after seeing your post and I'm going to do a bit more researching today. I'll share anything I find back here.

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**Puds said...
@ Jenns if Hot Rob leant his house out to Megs for the interview that means she definitely reads here.
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**@Puds
ROTFLOL!!! Next we'll see pap photos of her hanging all over him! Too bad for her he is devoted to his wife and sons.

If they did indeed film at one of his properties I think it's significant that it hasn't been all over the press. If you get my meaning...wink wink.

I will remind myself that Orcah would have done the requesting and made the arrangements, and I'll hope that HotRob is kept an MM-virgin. He can not be allowed to look into her eyes!
xxxxx said…
My Royal Family Statement--- Parting Statement ------ (Tell the truth about Meghan) (Let it all hang out)

Much to our regret you have married a malignant narcissist who is abusing you. She cut her family off, then she cut you off from yours. We will welcome you home in a few years when you come your senses. Consider all titles stripped and all money sent is ending. We will have absolutely nothing more to say because narcissists thrive on attention and controversy.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Puds, Oprah did a terrible job of asking follow-up questions and nailing down obvious contradictions. I guess she was going along the lines of "this woman is emotionally distraught, better not push her too much."
JennS said…
**@JocelynsBellinis **@puds

Looking back on the whole lawsuit, the discrepancies with her claims, and the lack of submissions from her, I wonder if she used the depression suicide ideation/racism/repression claims with Judge Wobbly.
His attitude changed after she had a private audience with him to discuss the reason for her request for the extension on the trial date. The MOS/ANL didn't argue against her reasons.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Constant Gardner, the @nypost is owned by Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp, which also owns The Sun and The Times in Britain, the Wall Street Journal in the US, and several newspapers in Australia.

It would be very easy to make a big revelation in one of the non-UK papers, then quote that paper in the UK. "The New York Post is reporting today..."

Murdoch's got to be softly softly at the moment, however, since he's trying to launch a TV channel in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/01/rupert-murdochs-news-uk-tv-channel-given-approval-to-launch

There are actually two right-wing TV channels about to launch in the UK, and it seems inevitable that Piers Morgan will end up at one of them.

I think his recent departure from Good Morning Britain was not entirely coincidental.
JennS said…
@Nutty
Did you get to see the interview yet? I'd love to read your opinions on it.
It was shocking how Oprah seemed to be working with MM to lay out a racist anti-monarchy narrative. She was quite smug with a self-satisfied air on Gayle's show the next day where she took pains to drive home some of the racist points.
Animal Lover said…
Below is the online website Air Mail's view of MM. Air Mail is Carter Gray formerly of Vanity Fair's latest project:

Meet the Markles
Among other things, Oprah’s interview with Harry and Meghan reveals just how bad the Palace is at handling P.R.

BY STUART HERITAGE
ILLUSTRATION BY ROSS MACDONALD
MARCH 8, 2021

Although last night’s much-hyped two-hour interview with Oprah Winfrey was billed as an opportunity for Harry and Meghan to finally tell their side of the story, the Markle-agnostic among us might have wondered what was actually left to tell, given that they have already told their side of the story in a flurry of statements and Zoom calls, and that thing that Harry did with James Corden on a bus the other week, and also the entire book from last year that was expressly written to tell their side of the story in as much detail as possible. Nevertheless, it is now clear that the couple came to Winfrey armed to the teeth.

Even if you didn’t watch the interview, you will have found it impossible to escape the major talking points today. Meghan considered suicide, but the royal family offered no support. An unnamed family member openly fretted about the color of their son’s skin. Prince Charles stopped taking Harry’s calls. Kate Middleton made Meghan cry. They’re having a girl. They own chickens. It’s fair to assume that at least three of these things will dominate the news cycle for months to come.

The biggest scoop, no doubt, will be the accusations of racism. That the royal family has a long and ugly history is not exactly news. Indeed, when Harry last night accused the media of writing headlines with “colonial undertones” about his wife, he didn’t appear to be particularly clued in to whose family had initiated those colonies in the first place.

However, the dramatic reveal—someone was worried that the couple’s son would look too mixed-raced—accompanied by Meghan and Harry’s refusal to name names, has created something of a media game. There is now an unknown figure in the royal family who hoped that Meghan’s son would stay nice and white. Harry declared that he would never reveal the identity of this person, but said it is definitely not the Queen or Prince Philip. And this means that, things being the way they are, we will all know exactly who it is by Friday.

Animal Lover said…
Part 2

Still, not all the revelations landed with quite the same impact. Despite being presented with the timbre of a grave injustice, Prince Harry’s bold disclosure that he had been financially cut off from the royal family can be explained by the fact that, well, he left the royal family. As a side note, from a public-relations point of view, complaining about not being given free money and costly security while sitting in the opulent grounds of a California mansion during a pandemic doesn’t exactly make a person very sympathetic.

Similarly, Meghan’s fury that her son was not made a prince is rooted in a decision made by the boy’s great-great-great-grandfather George V, 104 years ago. Unless the couple are stripped of all their titles soon, which seems increasingly likely, Archie will automatically become a prince when the Queen dies.

The Middleton revelation, too—“I didn’t make Kate cry, she made me cry”—had a note of bitter middle-school score-settling that hinted at a pettiness quite at odds with the duchess’s public image. And Meghan’s talk of her obliviousness surrounding the royal family, not knowing the national anthem or how to curtsy, was undermined slightly by her casual referencing of obscure sovereign-title arcana.

But look, these are quibbles. The things that Harry and Meghan said last night are not going away anytime soon. What last night’s interview made spectacularly clear is that the royal family urgently needs to improve its P.R. strategy.

However many people ended up watching the interview, you suspect that it would have been far fewer had a procession of spluttering courtiers not spent an entire week blowing a very public gasket over what a tremendous rotter Meghan apparently was. The Winfrey interview was always going to be a headline-grabber, but the Palace’s pre-emptive tactic only ended up hyping it into the stratosphere. It’s the sort of thing professional wrestlers do to make sure everyone tunes into the next big pay-per-view event. It’s bizarre.
Anonymous said…
@AnyaAmasova

Flower's past is very vulgar and exposing her past and what she and Harry did during their time together in the UK will help to dismantle her lies.

They’d better begin the process of releasing the damaging information about Meghan’s past and her time in the RF soon, or it won’t matter. I don’t have a great deal of faith in the family’s ability to take action.
Animal Lover said…
Part 3

Similarly, the royals might also want to update their human-resources department. Last week, when it was claimed that several Kensington Palace staff had accused the duchess of bullying in 2018, the subsequent inaction was blamed on an H.R. cover-up. And now Meghan has claimed that the same department refused to help her at her lowest ebb, on the basis that she wasn’t a paid-up member of the family yet. If any heads will roll this week, you’d guess that this is the safest place to start. Not literally, though. We’re not France.

But whether or not the interview will change anybody’s mind about Meghan is another matter. The duchess is now a subject upon which everybody is already deeply, pointlessly entrenched. Winfrey could have shown us CCTV footage of Meghan rescuing corgis from a burning building and the anti-Meghan would still somehow find a way of painting her as a self-serving villain. Similarly, if Meghan had stopped the interview to show everyone her collection of freshly murdered kitten skulls, the faithful would still find a way to maintain that she’s a cross between Mother Teresa and the working concept of universal love. However you felt about the woman going in, you felt about her coming out.

Nevertheless, the fallout is just beginning. Evidently, there are plenty of embellishments and half-truths being batted around on both sides here. But now the royal family finds itself on the defensive. An entire centuries-old institution is about to retaliate from an outside atat Large for AIR MAILtack. What happens next isn’t going to be pretty.

Stuart Heritage is a Kent, U.K.–based Writer
snarkyatherbest said…
UH Oh Scoobie Doo is out there talking about the emails and texts when you have to explain things you are losing the narrative. She wont let the Kate thing go

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9350097/Meghan-Markles-close-friend-Janina-Gavankar-attacks-Queens-statement-Oprah-interview.html
JennS said…
Check out how Meghan Markle's selfish plans to monetize the royal family have strengthened the Republic Group's stand on abolishing the monarchy:


https://www.republic.org.uk/

The monarchy must go:
Republic March 08, 2021

Campaign group Republic has today called for an open, honest national debate about the future of the monarchy.

The call follows the devastating Oprah interview with Harry and Meghan which has rocked the institution.
Graham Smith, speaking today, said:
"The monarchy has just been hit by its worst crisis since the abdication in 1936. Whether for the sake of Britain or for the sake of the younger royals this rotten institution needs to go."

"Some people will say 'well you would say that', but this interview has only served to highlight what a lot of people have known for years: the monarchy is rotten to the core and does not reflect British values."
"Most people in the UK don't give a second thought to the royals, they're just not that interested. The monarchy is tolerated because of a carefully managed but dishonest image that's been created over the past few decades."
"Now people are getting a much clearer picture of what the monarchy is really like. And it doesn't look good. With the Queen likely to be replaced by King Charles during this decade the position of the monarchy has rarely looked weaker."

"We now need honesty in the monarchy debate that has been sorely lacking until now. Honesty about the democratic alternative, honesty about royal corruption, honesty about costs, tourism and every other bit of nonsense trotted out by royalists for years."
"Britain is better than this. We deserve better than this. The monarchy will always be part of our history. It mustn't be part of our future."

[The interview seems to have sparked a petition that has over 6500 signatures at the moment]

Sign the petition:
It's time to abolish the monarchy and ensure the Queen is Britain's last monarch.

The Harry and Meghan interview is devastating for the British monarchy. The interview confirms a lot of what we've been saying for a long time: the royal household is not fit for purpose in the modern world. It is secretive, controlling, wastes hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money every year and is bad for British politics. It's also bad for the royals.

The Queen is the last royal to command high levels of support, the following generations being mired in scandal, controversy and damaging rumour. British people now, more than ever, see themselves as citizens, not subjects. We are democrats and democracy is not a spectator sport. That means we all need to have a say in who our next head of state should be, and how we're governed. And we all need to step up and make monarchy history.

A democratic alternative
We can have a more democratic institution, a non-political but elected head of state along with a fully elected parliament. No more kings and queens, no more lords and dukes. Just citizens freely choosing who takes on the most senior jobs in the land.

The royals do not live up to the standards we should expect of public servants. They demand secrecy, they spend more than £345m of taxpayers' money a year on their wasteful and extravagant lives, and they interfere in politics to further their own interests and promote their own political agenda. The monarchy stands against our values and principles. The Oprah interview uncovers another side of the toxic nature of monarchy: the institution is bad for the royals.

"We are calling on parliament and the prime minister to start an open, honest public debate about the future of the monarchy. We are calling for the abolition of the monarchy."
lucy said…
Found the reason Oprah framed appointment such as she did and why Meghan was left unchallenged.

This is actually frightening and I am embarrassed that I had no idea our history books were being rewritten , for years now. I do not recall voting on this

Global launch . Saturate the entire world with this?


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oprah-winfrey-adapt-new-york-times-1619-project-film-tv-1302370
Ian's Girl said…
Well, yes, republicans are always calling for the abolition of the monarchy; it's their platform, after all.

Not in the least bit worried about it, but it would indeed solve the problem of the sussex's titles and styles, wouldn't it? Wonder how long she'd stay with Harry Mountbatten once she ran through his mother's money?
Ian's Girl said…
@lucy, the left has been pushing that for quite a while now.
SirStinxAlot said…
Random question, does anyone know whatever happened to the office space in London that the Sussexs supposedly rented out for their new charity post Megxit? Was it ever occupied or the lease voided?
Animal Lover said…
@lucy. Part of 1619 project has been discredited as not being factual in some ares. I wonder if Oprah will make the corrections?

NY Post is reporting William and Harry are talking.
Opus said…
I have on occasion gained the impression that the present Harry Markle is not the original. The earliest entries in her blog (which one cannot now read as they have been removed for editing prior to being put in book form) were very concise but more recently she has allowed her anger and emotion to get the better of her judgement in more verbose and lengthy essays. That is not to take away from her credit for being on to Markle from the beginning and those now temporarily missing entries were fascinating.

Were the RF on to Markle as well? - if so why did they not 'see her off at the pass'. Is it then that Her Majesty simply did not want to know, being soft on her troublesome grandson and hoping for the best - her generation were like that. One can read her latest message as someone being in denial of what everyone else can see namely that the RF are running scared. She appears to me to have acquired a Canute like belief that the damage that Markle causes will recede. She will now apparently speak to the DoS by phone. This sounds to me like more denial and the prelude to appeasement. As Harry Markle says she may be protecting the RF but she is not protecting the nation or its people. Has she ever been booed? I think it is coming.

I entirely agree with Hikari that it would be very difficult for the RF to say now 'well actually we knew there was no baby Archie', and all the other matters which few here believe, without appearing to have pulled the wool over the eyes of the nation in the first place. Silence as the wokerati say is sometimes acceptance. There will be no Kraken or change in attitude from the RF. Today the DoC being the first Royal to fight back denied that the RF were racist - it is something but in the words of the late great Mandy Rice Davies 'he would say that wouldn't he'. I have no real idea what that word means and I doubt the DoC does either. It should not be down to the No.3. to be dealing with what is a constitutional crisis in the making as the Queen buries her head in the sand and the PoW turns his back on the problem.
lucy said…
LMFAO! I needed this laugh.

https://stylecaster.com/meghan-markle-two-different-earrings-pictures/
Hikari said…
@Opus,

Since you are a barrister by training, I'm sure you've heard,

"Qui Tacet Consentire Videtur", which is applicable in this situation.

For the non-lawyers here, that's 'He/She who remains silent gives consent'.

It seems that this perfect storm was allowed to hit the Royal family who have consented to their own destruction by remaining silent for too long about Harry's problems and how he became ensnared by this woman hellbent on taking them down. We love to speculate by the hour about what exactly drives Meghan . . the 'why' of her behavior and motives. It's been an entertaining source of discussion, but in the end it doesn't really matter. What matters is what the Family has done to cover for her and help her, through a combination of well-bred passivity mixed with active whitewashing, if you all will permit me an un-woke turn of phrase . . to perpetuate the lie that Meg was ever suitable Duchess material or even a nice person. They were a little too eager to get the cred for welcoming a black princess without doing their due diligence on account of the 'R' word, and hoped that she'd fall in and be an asset to the Firm. After all, she'd promised, and in some quarters, a person's word is their bond. That's what the Family goes by, but not MM, obviously.

Aided and abetted by their native-born mental deficient with a chip on his shoulder bigger than County Sussex, the BRF is doing a fine job of tearing themselves down. The institution is just not prepared for someone in their ranks who blatantly refuses to play by their rules. It happens in every generation, but still they have not come to terms with their rogue members. To their detriment, I fear. The twilight of Elizabeth's reign is besmirched by this forevermore. It doesn't really matter now how many firm statements are issued, firm talkings-to via Skype that Harry gets or even if the titles get taken away--the damage is done. It will recede in time, but it's still always going to be a blot on this bit of English history.

Rachel has singlehandedly burnt the Special Relationship to the ground. Her family did warn us all. Now all we can do is watch the flames and wonder if anything at all will be left standing for William and George to preside over.
JennS said…
I have worked for the royal family for 10 years — they’re not racists
By Musharraf Hussain

https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/i-work-for-the-royal-family-theyre-not-racists/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Maneki Neko said…
Queen and Prince Charles back Prince William after he spoke out to insist the royals are 'very much not a racist family' as fallout from Harry and Meghan's bombshell interview grows

The petulant Harkles are looking more and more stupid.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9352657/Queen-Charles-William-insisted-royals-not-racist-family.html#comments
YankeeDoodle said…
Does anybody else think that Meghan watched the movie “Chicago” too many times? That she is the fake pregnant woman, Roxie Hart, accused of murdering a man? And that Richard Gere, playing the lying, sleazy defense lawyer Billy Flynn? Oprah would bellow and ask a question, and Meghan knew to repeat what she said, right? Right? And like the lawyer and his client Roxie, Oprah had to steer her back to new charges of racism, etc., to make the audience (jury) sympathize with her?

Meghan and her flat-out lies, which have been disproven, reminds me of the husband who comes home early from work, catching his naked wife in bed with another man. After accusing his wife of cheating, the wife replies “Who are you gonna believe - me or your lying eyes?”

Meghan will be toast sooner or later. No entertainment company would like to have a person who spewed hatred on her husband’s family and country. They have little audience now, and yet people think they are so popular in America. Nobody cares about them, unlike Diana. White people and now Asians are sick to death of racist people like Meghan and Harry. They forget that they are not Diana, and that Harry, a few years ago, said he has no real memories of her, but that William, who was Diana’s rock at age fourteen, who was terribly hurt by her interview, and when Diana brought her two sons on the Fayed yacht, calling up paps to get good shots of her diving into the water, and of her two sons, William was so upset by her sleeping around, and exposing him and Harry to ridicule, that he called his father, and the boys left to be with their father and grandparents in Scotland.

Harry, isn’t it time to stop your attacks on your family? Your Spencer family is disgusted by you. They have nothing to gain from Harry, as Diana’s brother, Charles, has daughters to promote, and won’t be seen as an uncle who Diana’s son William, who will be King One day, and not be tainted by traitors to his country and to William.
lucy said…
I remember this too.https://www.tmz.com/2013/08/13/oprah-switzerland-purse-story-apology-racism/

I do not wish to discuss 1619 project, only to say with all the TV specials and movies planned surely there is a spot for Meg. What would she cast her as?
(psst Meg do not show her your resume 😬)
HappyDays said…
From CDAN today. Now that we know Charles has closed the First National Bank of Dad to Harry and Meghan, if they are looking for side gigs, after she loses her baby weight, Meghan might have a leg up on the women applying at SoHo. I’m sure Ron Burkle will be happy to “interview” her. She could probably command more money for yachting excursions. Harry can be Meghan’s “manager” wink, wink. After all they are both likely familiar with all the services offered by SoHoe house....pun intended.

Crazy Days and Nights
THURSDAY, MARCH 11, 2021
Blind Item #9

This owner of a private club chain is competing with this hotelier to see who can hire the best women to make available for clients who want to yacht at their properties. The owner of the private clubs is personally vetting each candidate. 
JennS said…
Ian's Girl said...

Well, yes, republicans are always calling for the abolition of the monarchy; it's their platform, after all.
Not in the least bit worried about it, but it would indeed solve the problem of the sussex's titles and styles, wouldn't it? Wonder how long she'd stay with Harry Mountbatten once she ran through his mother's money?
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Well, yes that is obvious
My point was to show how Meghan Markle has provided them with a HUGE bump up for their campaign. They are using the racism angle, the complaints about feeling trapped, her shady dealings and monetizing of the monarchy to bolster their cries.

In addition, their twitter feed is loaded with comments about the Royal family being racist. For example:

"Aristocrats and royals built an empire on the back of slavery and racism. To feign shock that a remote, elitist royal family still has a racism problem is bizarre.
The concept of royalty is itself racist. The term 'blue blood' is racist, meaning of 'pure' European ancestry."

They were an old adversary that has been hugely strengthened and given additional weapons by the Sussexes.
I wish just one newspaper had the b*lls to print a headline paraphrased from a much earlier one:

"Ma'am, your people and your nation are suffering. Do something!"
JennS said…
Puds said...
More likely is that William possibly with Charles backing may decide the abuse his family receives, the death threats, are just too much, particularly if this aggressive far left agenda continues unabated.
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@Puds
I hope this doesn't happen. I feel bad they are being attacked so viciously.
I think the Queen needs to plan an offensive rather or perhaps together with her olive branch to Harry. (forget Meghan-she gets nothing🤣)
All the articles coming out to prove the many falsehoods are not enough.
They need a single file of proof and negative info on Markle to be released at once but how to go about it without shooting themselves in the foot is to be debated.
gfbcpa said…
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Could that bit on CDAN have a core of truth?

Don't all shout at once!

gfbcpa said…

For everyone who has not seen the bird poop video (it really is funny !!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXERIVa7ixU
lucy said…
https://pagesix.com/2021/03/11/meghan-markle-trips-passport-removed/

Zoom in on the guy's face standing behind her in the last pic 😂


Thank you for the article Nutty!

JennS said…
Does anyone have any ideas on how the RF could possibly turn this around, reveal the Sussexes' shady activities and still keep themselves out of the fire?
At least so they themselves may only be scorched and not completely burnt up?

I think before I can organize my own thoughts I need to know just how UK law and the royal family works.

Can anyone tell us what type of 'crime' if any would the following be if committed in the UK by a member of the royal family...
- using a surrogate for a royal baby who is in the line of succession and hiding that fact from the public (further angle to question on whether the baby is royal DNA or not)
- the shady financial dealings with the foundations/charities and how money donated was used
- the vicious bullying of staff and people encountered on tours / workplace harassment
- merching of clothing while on royal family duty
- false pretenses - the taking of public funds for public duty on items meant to be used for many years all while planning to leave the firm (clothing/Frogmore reno)
- lying about numerous issues, pulling scams while a member of the firm
- lying during lawsuit
- using PR to abuse family members
- sending false information to the media via PR
- the current defamation inflicted upon the royal family and the UK on the world stage / stirring up unwarranted vicious attacks against the family.

I'm sure there is more but this is all I can think of right now.
Opus said…
The seeming ignorance of British history and indeed history generally never mind an understanding of the people of the past by the young as with the Tweet quoted above - wrong on just too many levels - by JennS leaves me shaking my head. An attack on my ancestors and others of my nation formerly living I regard as an attack on both myself and my nation.

In the days before Mr Johnson put us under house arrest I was in the pub with a friend, and it being a quiet night we could easily catch the conversation of a chap talking to the barman. My friend and I both remonstrated 'oy that's not right' with the young man when he asserted that Britain had invaded India. He must have known that what he had said was not correct for he immediately apologised. I possess the 1920 edition of Smith's Oxford History of India - the one with a swastika on the front cover.
JennS said…
@Opus

Just to be clear those are not MY words in those tweets.
They were copied and pasted from the Twitter account of the Republic Group and Graham Smith found here:
https://twitter.com/RepublicStaff/with_replies?lang=en
If you scroll down through this Twitter feed you will see just how much the Sussexes have boosted this organization's goals.
There are numerous tweets about royal racism including newspaper stories from the past about family members from the Queen mother to Harry himself.
JennS said…
Puds said...
@ Jenns, anything financially dodgy could be illegal, Treason is still a crime but Megs would plea insanity and there is quite a lot of evidence to back that up.
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But a plea of insanity would take her off the playing field at least!🤣
So maybe the RF should call in an army of psychiatrists.
Midge said…
@Jenn
Your avatars are great- but this one is the best ever! Don't think you can top it.
JennS said…
@Puds
It's very very unfortunate that this is all happening now in the middle of cancel culture. I thought if the Harkles went on Oprah and made outrageous claims against the RF they would clamp down on them and put an end to their poor behavior. Instead many are actually believing a deranged woman's lies and it's causing a disastrous domino effect.

What kind of ludicrous battle is this where Markle sends a response/veiled threat through her actress pal Janina? How does the RF reply to that? How can they not reply?

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