Several sources (Scobie and Morton, possible others) have raised a point about how wonderful Meghan was able to handle and parade about in the tour in Australia and that this is when (unnamed) people allegedly began to worry that Harry and Megan would outshine William and the rest of the family just as there had been similar concerns about Diana.
Their popularity was explosive - Sussexroyal on Instagram hit gained a million followers in the first six hours. The crowds on tours were huge (or so the Scobie's book says).
But was this fear realistic - the concerns, comparisons?
Could someone really outshine The Queen? William and Catherine? Prince Charles?
Consider the structure of the British Royal Family - the title (jewelry, land, power, money) have gone to the first born son (and only recently amended to daughter)? All the ceremonies show rank (status). Just how could they have done this - outshine everyone around them? Would some cause they got funding for suddenly unite people who were ununited before? What cause or idea could do that? And where could you go with it since the line of succession is fixed?
Being popular seems to come off as being very important. Outranking
people in numbers on Instagram or crowd numbers greater than someone
else but does that show what is truly popular or important?
Or it just a comment/data point about the happening today compared to
some other time in history in some segment of interests? So ... so
what? What does it matter? or why should it matter? Is this temporary
ranking all that important in the grand scheme of the future of the UK,
the world? What happens when someone passes you? Then what or where are you?
What can be considered the true scale of how to define popular in the
world? and how much should it sway the future of the monarchy?
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@Rebecca
Thanks for the Sunday Times article,
a good read.
Ditched@Palace 😉
@WildBoar
Will no one rid me of this interminable beast..
The World According to Barf
Madam has a face for slapping
Desperate for much praise, and clapping
Touting Yen philosophy
On her way to purgatory
All we hear, from all her yapping
Is the slimy sound, of one gum flapping
@Bubbles
The book title:
La Grande Horizontale
The Prodigal Bum
My buttocks are clenching
At the the thought, a mere mention
Of those two returning to the UK
It won’t come about
For the prat, and old trout
Will’s will, keep them away
In flying form today! Love 'La Grande Horizontale' (actually, not that 'grande' - 1m60/62?) and The Prodigal Bum is excellent 🤣🤣
Ah, Maneki 🥰
I’m now wondering
if said wench may end up on SNL?
Kimmie Karkrashian just hosted,
and roasted, her family.
Par for the ‘cause’ for madam!
Freedom Day tomorrow!
Can’t get my hair done til Wednesday.
Just booked in for gym/aqua classes
starting tomorrow.
Booked pedi, and lunch with
friends on Tuesday, so good!!
Congrats on getting some freedom. It's so nice to be out of lockdown and have that first hair appointment, lunch with friends, etc!🙌 Have fun😊
I think SNL would be open-minded enough to have * on as a host . . . but I can't imagine her returning the favor and being happy with their jokes. It will all be fine if they just poke fun at the Queen, Prince Charles, Camilla and the Cambridges; but once anyone hazards a single joke at her expense, the facade will come crashing down. And what fun is an SNL host who can't take a joke or two?
Having said all that, I'd welcome an SNL stint for her. All the better for the world to see what she's really like.
But WRT Harry and his wife, they're both entirely self-involved twits and I can't imagine either of them being good parents under any circumstances.
@Rebecca,
Thanks for the article on PA. It's a story begging to be discussed but unfortunately he's not a welcomed discussion subject. Everything goes but politics (including race), Covid, and Andrew. Just a heads up.
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Why are you telling posters what to write about?
I don't recall Andrew being off-limits here, and he has been discussed on this blog in the past. His story influences the Harkles' narrative in a number of ways.
Quite the article, isn't it.
It's interesting to think about the comparisons between H and PA.
One of the bigger differences being that PA is a son of the reigning monarch, whereas H is a mere grandson.
Although H seems to think he has the status of a peer to the Queen.
It's still floors me the way they rocked up to the United Nations, wired for sound, implying that they represent the queen.
Is she sulking in bed, with multiple bottles of wine? With recovery afar off?
I do hope so.
Divine retribution would be sweet though, as would be poetic justice.
@Rebecca,
Thanks for the article on PA!
It's a story begging to be discussed but unfortunately it has been the experience of some that he's not really a welcomed discussion subject. Our mods have asked us to avoid those touchy subjects and one is PA's current legal mess. From what I remember.
It has led to some hurt feelings and flaming. Seems everything goes but politics (including race), Covid, and Andrew. Just saying.
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Maybe once "the dust has settled" Andrew will spill what he has on TBW; to turn the negative attention away from him.
Then he'll be a "hero" again....?
Why the heck would anyone get upset about other people talking about Andrew? Apparently I've missed a kerfuffle or two around here.
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My guess is because some here are Loyalists and feel it hurts the Queen and her legacy and legacy of their country; it's painful for them to think of it causing distress to a woman they love and could lead to a referendum, which is also painful for them to think of. Understandably so.
Just a guess. I have respected their feelings and stopped discussing his legal case.
Moderator here:
The main topic is Harry and Meghan. Other royals are often mentioned and sometimes discussed.
There is a somewhat lenient policy to bringing in some other side topics. Sometimes this is ok and not a big deal. And other times it spins into a cluster. It is not always easy to know if and when to stop a topic from going farther or if it stops on its own. And some topics have not worked out well period and are best avoided.
If you think something might be a not normally good topic but still think it useful to the general conversation: please say so and talk about how this relates so we all can follow your thinking.
What has not ever been ok is to trash the other posters. Or make inflaming comments.
So if you have written something really on target and then add to it something about how this other poster is stupid (or to needle them or similar), then it is an automatic deletion. Sorry but thems the rules. As brilliant as it was, being a jerk overrides your good comment.
The other thing is: please let me decide about what is ok, not ok about the topics or comments made by others.
If you don't like something, please feel free to post to me about how you would like to consider looking at something. And I will read it (sometimes rereading was the right thing and other times I think not).
I'm a moderator. Please, let me moderate. Thanks
Thank you .
I too don't recall any arguments over discussions on Andrew nor being asked to avoid him as a topic. I do remember detailed discussions of the difference between a pedophile and someone who prefers teenagers but they were not arguments.
I'm catching up on the posts. No idea if TBW will end up SNL. Anything to be in the limelight, I suppose.
Congrats on freedom Day! You must be looking forward to it so much! You'll feel like a new woman with all your beauty treatments. Enjoy yourself.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10077925/John-Barnes-says-royal-asked-Harry-Meghan-babys-skin-colour-realistic.html
Mystery royal asking about Archie’s skin colour was ‘just being realistic’: Former England star John Barnes claims most black people think ‘so what’ about Meghan and Harry’s bombshell Oprah interview claim
Sorry, it's bed time and I'm whacked out so shan't post the article.
There are nearly 500 comments posted so far, which is a high number for a Times piece. Many of these are written by individuals who have crossed paths with Andrew or had to work with him, and every single one of them echoes the sources quoted in the article—they are uniformly damning.
The timing of Roya Nikkhah’s piece is interesting. I wonder if it isn’t meant to counter the unfavorable publicity about the Queen allowing Andrew to take refuge with her at Balmoral, and her paying his legal bills. The line between the Queen as a mother and as a monarch is becoming dangerously blurred, it seems. Charle and William are right to want to slam the door on their brother’s public future in the family.
Even though at the granular level the issues aren't the same, at a very high level they are the same. Bringing disrespect and shame to the monarchy. Using titles for personal benefit.
I think we will see more of this coming out, the shutting down of PA and the Harkles. Drip, drip, drip.
I shrug and say "and"? Is that all that you have? There are a lot of a**holes out there from CEOs to aggressive panhandlers trying to shake people down for 'donations'.
Lady C has said that she thought that the accusations against Andrew had no basis but she was throwing some mud on Andrew's accuser in her reasoning.
I wonder what the basis for the Met's decision was? The same as Lady C's?
I hope you know I do not think you were wrong in posting the article about PA.
I thanked you for posting it because I found it very informative and pretty right on. I just wanted to say it may step on some toes.
Sorry it snowballed and was made out to be more than it was.
Lady C has said that she thought that the accusations against Andrew had no basis but she was throwing some mud on Andrew's accuser in her reasoning.
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Then this means for once I totally disagree with Lady C regardless of my admiring her. That's all I'm going to say on the subject...
Both men have been adults for decades and have made their beds. It's hard to feel sorry for them, although I have the occasional moment of sympathy. But for me the darkest shadow on the BRF is the possibility that we will see a repeat of this in Prince Louis.
But for me the darkest shadow on the BRF is the possibility that we will see a repeat of this in Prince Louis.
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I am interested in knowing how you have arrived at this theory. From what I can see, PL is growing up an a very different time and manner than PA did. William and Catherine are giving him a much different upbringing. I think they are more nurturing and present as parents. And the Middleton's seem to be as well. More relaxed and modern.
And I don't see PL as being the "golden child" as PA was. Which we know leads to narcissism.
He will be a heartbreaker though! He's adorable.
In my opinion the dark horse of the modern BRF is Harry. PA may be a rake but Harry is a traitor like David and Wallis were.
I agree with your comment, 🤗 but particularly In my opinion the dark horse of the modern BRF is Harry. PA may be a rake but Harry is a traitor like David and Wallis were. 🥴
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10078337/Rich-backers-send-value-mental-health-start-hired-Prince-Harry-soaring-3bn.html
Here's a better link
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Oh brother. Theranos 2.0.
Exactly.
Thank you👍🙂
I am interested in knowing how you have arrived at this theory. From what I can see, PL is growing up an a very different time and manner than PA did. William and Catherine are giving him a much different upbringing. I think they are more nurturing and present as parents. And the Middleton's seem to be as well. More relaxed and modern.
I think this is true and that is what gives me hope for him. But I'm also not approaching this in the most logical manner. I don't have a "theory," but more of a sense of a dark shadow.
The worry lingers because of my personal experience of sibling rivalry when the eldest is favored for no other reason than his (or her) being the eldest. (Ironically, this is probably the fairest reason for favoring any child. Prince Andrew was more randomly selected as the Queen's favorite and that was another kind of mess.) The stakes and pressures are also much higher when we're talking of royalty that gets a lot of press coverage. There is also a history of mental illness on both his parents' sides, though the Middletons weathered that storm a lot better. I realize that my fear for Prince Louis is kind of like a fear of a shark attack while swimming in the ocean. It could possibly happen, but the likelihood is thankfully low.
There's a huge issue here at the moment about how many of the police treat women. In the past, they have been criticised for not taking rape allegations seriously enough and the appalling Sarah Everard case has lifted the lid on a monstrous can of worms. Presumably the Met feels it has no option but to get involved.
The first child for some time may have only adults for company, then when the next one arrives they may be burdened with responsibility,in the form of being told to `look after your baby brother/sister', even if it's dressed up as a privilege and they feel resentful of the second child. They may become mini-adults in their approach to life.
The second one, on the other hand, has to compete for attention with the elder, who already has an established position in the family - 2nds often learn to be charming or manipulative to get their own way.
Both my major narcs were third children - babies of the family who were spoiled rotten. In one family, the middle one then felt ignored and took it out on the youngest.
I now see the Met isn't going to investigate, big row coming?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/met-decision-not-investigate-prince-090930759.html (article from Independent)
Your point on sibling rivalry is an excellent one. Louis may feel in the shadows of Charlotte and especially George as they grow.
But, I have a feeling William and Catherine are on the ball there after the disasters of PA and Harry. This is no time to pander to children with so much at stake. I feel for them. No pressure...yikes!
As obnoxious as PA and Fergie are, they raised two wonderful daughters. Got to give them credit there. I'm sure HM and PP had something to do with that. They probably learned from their mistakes as young parents. We all made them.
Thanks for the reply. 🙂
They may become mini-adults in their approach to life.
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You're thoughts on the first born child are very accurate in my story growing up. Scary accurate.
The oldest sibling in my family has always been a dictator from the moment I can remember. I do realize it's all relative though. Each family is different.
Last year around this time the Harkles were busy crashing Zoom meetings. I was thinking of that one with teenagers, where they rented a house to film. Or another filming with H sitting on the tarmac lecturing some teen athletes. There others that I don't remember exactly.
Those were all one and dones. Never heard anything about any of those causes ever again.
Think they're not doing those anymore? Or do you think they're doing them but hiding them for their Netflix reality show?
You'd think if they were still doing them, something would slip put someplace. It seems that somewhere along the line someone spills...a thank you, or guess who I saw. There doesn't seem to be any of that this year.
So what to we think? Have they stopped doing that? No return on investment for them?
Now that Covid restrictions have lifted, you'd think they would be out doing more of those, not dropping them altogether.
Another example, we didn't hear anything about them helping with back to school activities this year. Last year they had a photo op with her fitting a backpack to some unsuspecting little kid.
Or their planting forget-me-nots at the poor kids' daycare. They haven't been back there to check on the garden, or replant it for this year.
If they're not hiding these filmings, I think they stopped doing them because it doesn't give her enough narc fuel. No one seems to notice or care if they're present or not. And it doesn't earn them any money. Or prestige.
It seems like once they got the Spotify and Netflix deals, they dropped these other little outings like a hot potato. Waaaay too important for that kind of stuff now.
Seems to be about Serena and her hubby.
Interesting that Seena is TBW’s BFF and there were rumors about TBW flshing the Filthy rich hubby.
I’m sure TBW has nothing to do with any possible marital trouble there. but its fun to speculate
I think you are on point. They want only the easy money, easy life. They proved it when they left the RF flat but still are manipulating their titles etc.
I think Harry may have had a caring side at one time (though I do agree with someone here who said recently he has some dark doo doo in his past), but since he's been with her, he's been totally clitmatized by her, so...
Thanks for the BG link.
Hmmm, something smells for sure. Mr. Serena Willams would never IMO. He's young enough and wealthy enough to trade up not down.
I'm just going by the pattern of men (sorry guys). It stinks but aside from the rare exceptions, it's reality; a monied man means younger, beautiful wife. TBW and SW are neither.
Serena's husband reputedly bats for the other team. Theirs is a show woke partnership.
I’d be surprised if she even shows up when The Queen passes on or when Charles is coronated or when he passes on. I truly think there would be public protests against her.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-not-attending-williams-event-for-diana/amp/
Even though at the granular level the issues aren't the same, at a very high level they are the same. Bringing disrespect and shame to the monarchy. Using titles for personal benefit.
I think we will see more of this coming out, the shutting down of PA and the Harkles. Drip, drip, drip.
I hope you’re right!
I hope you know I do not think you were wrong in posting the article about PA.
I understood your meaning—that the article I posted was not directly relevant to the Sussexes, which it was not. No offense taken.
When things get slow here (as they have recently, with so little news about them) I try and think of ways to keep the ball rolling (as do others, I know).
Ok. In case you don't have receipts, let's switch to he can find a younger, more handsome guy. Lol 😂
Thanks for understanding 😊
I wonder what the basis for the Met's decision was? The same as Lady C's?
I don’t believe the authorities in GB would ever dare pursue a scandal related to the Royal Family (short of homicide, that is), at least until the Queen is gone.
And then perhaps there is this to factor in? (I am only copy-and-pasting the first paragraph of the article):
From The Spectator UK:
By Neil Darbyshire
The shocking truth about police corruption in Britain
It’s a growing problem. But they’re hunting whistleblowers instead
Imagine you lived in a country which last year had 3,000 allegations of police corruption. Worse, imagine that of these 3,000 allegations only half of them were properly investigated — because for police officers in this country, corruption was becoming routine. Imagine that the police increasingly used their powers to crack down not on criminals but on anyone who dared speak out against them. What sort of a country is this? Well, it’s Britain I’m afraid — where what was once the finest, most honest service in the world is in danger of becoming rotten.
Not terribly surprised if Serena’s marriage is having problems. I always thought they were an odd match. I also don’t believe that Serena got pregnant the first time she had sex with him. Even though she is a Jehovah’s Witness, she is worldly enough to know enough to use birth control of some sort. But then, perhaps she was just looking for a sperm donor and has just bern using him
I also saw a layout about her home in Florida in Architectural Digest earlier this year that only showed her and her daughter. No Alexis in the photos. I thought it was a bit odd.
I would think that a person would want your spouse in the AD photos with you. And if he was busy that day, I’d wait to schedule the shoot for a time when he could be there to appear with me and our daughter. However, he was mentioned in the article, so maybe I’m projecting my feelings on her.
@Rebecca,
understood your meaning—that the article I posted was not directly relevant to the Sussexes, which it was not. No offense taken.
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More like I felt it would step on toes. But thanks again for understanding
and replying.
I really shouldn't worry about peeps getting offended. Just trying to do better. If we promote kindness, we somehow reinforce the false idea that some here think; that we're her or a sugar. Which is so not true.
Anywho, back to my day. 😊
• Meghan claimed that a royal had questioned what colour Archie's skin would be
• Former professional footballer John Barnes said the question was not surprising
• Barnes said he knew 'a lot of black people' who do not like the Duchess of Sussex
The unnamed royal who asked Prince Harry and Meghan Markle about the colour of their baby's skin colour was 'being realistic', John Barnes has said.
The former professional footballer has also said that most black people would say 'so what' to the question reportedly posed by the royal during Meghan's pregnancy.
Barnes, a father-of-seven who is married to a white woman, said he would 'expect that conversation' to happen, adding that people will 'always wonder' what the baby will look like.
Etc. It's all right for him, he can say that and I'm glad he's not one of those who thinks that criticising TBW equates to racism.
https://tinyurl.com/rcnm6wf8
From the Telegraph-
Duke and Duchess of Sussex shun UK for christening of Lilibet
Camilla Tominey
Mon, 11 October 2021, 4:11 pm
The Duke and Duchess of Sussxes’s daughter, Lilibet, will not be christened in the UK, according to royal sources.
It had been suggested the couple would return to Britain to have the four-month-old baptised at Windsor Castle like their son Archie, two. However, a palace insider said: “There will not be a christening in the UK. It is not happening.”
Another source suggested it was “highly unlikely”.
It comes after a spokeswoman for Harry and Meghan confirmed on Sunday that they would not be flying into Britain to attend a party to honour Diana, Princess of Wales.
Friends of the late Princess, including Sir Elton John, are said to be attending the event for 100 guests at Kensington Palace with the Duke of Cambridge. It is intended to thank donors who helped fund the statue of Diana unveiled in the summer on what would have been her 60th birthday.
Christening likely at Episcopal Church of the US:
Lilibet is likely to be christened into the Episcopal Church of the US, which is member church of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Bishop Michael Curry, who delivered the sermon at the couple’s wedding at St George’s Chapel, Windsor Castle on May 19, 2018, is the head of the Episcopal Church and could officiate.
If baptised in California, where the Sussexes live in a £11 million mansion in Montecito, “Lili” would not automatically be considered a “member” of the Church of England, until she came to Britain and joined a Church of England congregation.
Anyone can say they are a member of the Church of England if they worship in a Church of England church and are not a member of an incompatible religion.
A member of the Royal family does not need to be baptised to remain in the line of succession.
However, Catholics cannot remain in the line of succession. A number of the Duke of Kent’s children and grandchildren have lost their place in the line of succession by following in their mother Katherine, the Duchess of Kent’s footsteps and converting to Catholicism.
Autumn Kelly, the former wife of the Queen’s eldest grandchild Peter Philips, was raised a Catholic but was received into the Church of England prior to their marriage in 2008. The couple divorced earlier this year.
Similarly, Meghan, 40, who was raised a Christian, underwent a private baptism officiated by the Archbishop of Canterbury to become a member of the Church of England before her wedding.
The ceremony reportedly took place at St James’s Palace and was conducted by the Most Reverend Justin Welby, who anointed the Duchess with holy water from the River Jordan. Prince Harry, 37, was present for the service at the Royal Chapel along with Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.
A spokesman for the Church of England declined to comment.
The Sussexes’ spokeswoman has been approached for comment.
Not sure if there's anything in this report or if the Telegraph is just short of copy.
"While Harry (pictured) receives a salary from BetterUp, the firm has not disclosed how much he is paid or if he owns shares or stock options. The prince and Meghan have netted several lucrative deals since their move to California."\
So Better Up shares are going up. I am 99% sure Harry got stock options and shares in Better Up. When you get a notable like H into your venture for PR purposes, it is customary to lay a
good number of options and shares on them. It is part of their compensation. This is the norm. So H now has a ready reserve to pump money into their white elephant mega-mansion for two or four, or whatever this number might be. So they now have enough money to irrigate their grass, shrubs and grounds. Annual precipitation is only 5 inches or so in Southern California. Irrigation/sprinkler system is a must.
Good news if he's getting shares. An IPO means they went public and have a board. Yay! Just waiting for them to F up royally. Bahaha as I rub my hands together 😜
Blogger Rebecca said...
PS—Valentine Low says in the London Times (in an opinion piece I just now read) that the investigation into Andrew isn’t going forward because British authorities have determined it is essentially a US matter. I can understand this reasoning, at least.
I think we discussed back in 2020 that PA had been investigated in the past at Virginia's insistence and they found that no UK laws had been broken then as well.
I think that that matter is going to be put to rest under a headstone that says "Other People's Problems, Not Ours".
The comments are interesting also.
The author talks about classism and how Mm understood nothing about it, thus leading to the culture clash.
https://themarkles.quora.com/Why-is-Piers-Morgan-so-hell-bent-on-attacking-Harry-and-Meghan-24?ch=10&oid=309689330&share=90698d1d&target_type=answer
My big mistake! No IPO yet for Better Up. Better Up is still in development, but seemingly doing lots of business with corporate suckers out there. So let's just say that H has been promised in writing, X number of shares when there is an IPO.
Seems that corporations that buy the Better Up app for their employees to use. That this app goes for 178 British Pounds per month per employee. Yikes! Before any discounts (lol) My guess is that corporations like this app because it prevents employees from complaining that their employer never gave a damn about their mental health. It provides some cover against employee lawsuits too.
The author talks about classism and how Mm understood nothing about it, thus leading to the culture clash.
NOTE: This reply is in multiple parts.
@Mel: I think the author of the Quora article has been conned by Meghan and is covering for her by writing that she knew nothing about classism. I’m calling b.s. on the Quora article.
There is a type of classism here in the US just as there is a type of classism in the UK, but they both attempt to greater or lesser extents to regulate who gets into the elite level. Although there are multiple routes, people most often become elites by being born into it, being a person of remarkable achievement of one type or another, or in Meghan’s case, they marry into it.
Meghan grew up from preschool through college at a bare minimum heavily rubbing elbows with the elite class. The schools she attended exposed her to the children and parents of elites of her fellow students, which is where she acquired a taste for the status, lifestyle, wealth and other accoutrements of being an elite. The sorority she joined at Northwestern University has always had a reputation for pledging snobby girls from successful families where she could network her way up the social ladder by way of transactional friends from well-connected families. Her father was of some note as the lighting director for two well-known, successful tv shows and he was an Emmy winner, so in his heydays, he was no slouch.
Meghan was NOT some naive little bumpkin. She had spent most of her life aspiring to an elite lifestyle and carefully cultivated and built a flimsy, but useful facade that got her into it.
Meghan’s problem wasn’t that she was clueless about joining the British Royal Family. She knew exactly what she was getting into and moreover, EXACTLY what she wanted to get out of it for herself, namely a prince who could be used solely as a vehicle to provide her with instant status and connections a couple of children to bind herself to him and his family tree forever who could simultaneously be used as psychological tools (you don’t want our children to grow up the way YOU did, do you? You need to protect them.), to be held hostage to ensure Harry would return to California from his trips to the UK, and as bargaining chips in the with his family for visits, and in the event of a split, with Harry himself.
PART TWO
As more and more information leaks out, it is glaringly obvious that from before she even married Harry, she never intended to live in the UK in duty and service to her new country. She never even bothered to make a commitment to go through the process to become a British citizen.
Narcissists are resentful, jealous, grudge holders and Meghan has all of these attributes. In addition her overblown narcissistic senses of grandiosity and entitlement are likely major driving forces for her grand plan to snag Harry and triumphantly return to Hollywood where she never received top billing from being cast in only the best roles in film, stage, and television that eluded her because at best, she was mediocre and could never seriously compete with others who were far more talented.
If you have been following the Harkles since Megxit, you will know that initially when they left the UK, Meghan was reportedly hoping to work with A-list directors and producers as the lead on big-budget projects, which is likely why she initially renewed her ‘friendship’ with former Immaculate Heart schoolmate singer and actress Katherine McPhee and her powerful husband David Foster. But that seemed to have petered out because Meghan has little talent and the pandemic was in full force and indefinitely shutting down theater, film, and tv productions.
Meghan’s narcissism needed money and attention, so she has turned herself solely toward the field of thoroughly appropriating Diana’s legacy by casting herself in the role of global activist and philanthropist.
Meghan did not achieve all of this in 60 months by not knowing what she was getting into. She targeted Harry and his family in what will go down in history as one of the biggest con jobs of the 21st Century. Meghan conned Harry, most of his family, and the author of the Quora article. She makes the late finance fraudster Bernie Madoff look like a rank amateur.
So what to we think? Have they stopped doing that? No return on investment for them?
Now that Covid restrictions have lifted, you'd think they would be out doing more of those, not dropping them altogether.
I think there is a small cluster of reasons why the Harkles aren't doing that work any longer.
First, I think these events were never supposed to be more than "one and done" deals. If they promised anything to the charities involved, it was just to get some short-term publicity; they never intended to follow through. Perhaps they would have changed their minds, had the return on their (minuscule) time investment been higher, but they genuinely never planned to in either case.
Second, after word got out that they wanted the charities to pay for private jets to get them to and from the events, they probably couldn't find anyone else willing to work with them. And God forbid they foot any of the bills themselves.
Third, * is finally molting out of her "California casual" skin and simply has no use for anything SoCal-based any longer. She is "Madam Duchess of New York" now and will be looking for new "one and done" projects in the area. It will be another insufferable two years of posing before she shuffles out of that skin and acquires a new fake identity.
@JHanoi
I’m sure TBW has nothing to do with any possible marital trouble there. but its fun to speculate
I wouldn't pin anything on * either. But when I read the blind and the guesses, my immediate thought was that * would be in there so fast that both Harry and Serena would get whiplash.
Having said that, Ohanian doesn't seem to have a home in New York, so to go after him and his billions now would derail her Madam Duchess dreams. But maybe she'll still try to get some mileage out of this by suggesting that Ohanian was flirting with her during Serena's US Open game. Out of loyalty to her friend, * made it very clear that she wouldn't engage in any hanky-panky. She even wrote it on her thighs, which she flashed at him. Just so he wouldn't get any wrong ideas!
@Happy Days
I also saw a layout about her home in Florida in Architectural Digest earlier this year that only showed her and her daughter. No Alexis in the photos. I thought it was a bit odd.
This reminds me of the Sex and the City episode in which a magazine wants to do a photo shoot in Charlotte and Trey's apartment, and she wants to cancel it because he isn't there and she thinks the photos would look wrong. Ironically, that subplot is about how appearances can be misleading, and just because a couple looks happy together it photos, it doesn't mean that they are. But both Williams and Ohanian have been playing the appearances game for some time. So it is odd when they make unforced errors like that.
Re: no Christening in the UK
I found the tone of the article really interesting. When we last heard this story, the Harkles had put the ball firmly in the BRF's court by saying that they were willing to wait until the Queen freed up her schedule for a Windsor Christening. To those who know narcs, it was a clear manipulation tactic. But to sugars and to anyone who sees racism behind every cereal box, it looked as if the Harkles were making a kind overture -- or even a generous invitation -- and the snobby BRF, led by its archaic Queen, was turning them down. And I didn't see the Harkles letting this go quietly.
But now it seems as if they have! The article doesn't give any reasons for the change and immediately distracts us with other information.
So I wonder what went on behind the scenes. Did the Palace hint that they would be releasing dirt on * that would forever ruin her image?
Or am I overthinking this? Maybe BP simply figured out that * has a short attention span -- that the "willing to wait as long as it takes" threat from a few months ago was pure narc posing -- and this nothingburger got to die a natural death of old age.
We love the occasional spectacle of a royal wedding or coronation (though, in the latter case) it's over 68 years since we last had one - I've mentioned before that I watched the procession from a stand in Whitehall and it is a day which is firmly printed on my memory, as it is for my husband, even though he had to watch proceedings, as many people did then, on a TV in a shop window).
The question seems to be whether * `understood' what she was getting into. I thought I `understood' what it meant to `marry into' the Army and assumed I could cope - I couldn't. She failed to understand that, had she attempted to moderate her behaviour, she could have had all the riches, adoration and influence she craved, albeit not on her terms.
I imagine that, as a fully qualified and paid-up member of the League of Narcissists, for her the crux was of the matter was that it had to be on her terms and she could see how the situation could be manipulated to her advantage. Also, given her narc status, she didn't give a Flying F*** about who or what she damaged, as long as she came out on top.
I expected her to stay here just long enough to get a child, then to bolt for America, with the child but not her husband. An ugly but profitable (to her) divorce would ensue. I got that wrong - she's a parasite, not a predator.
My narc ex. may have been the human equivalent of a tapeworm but she's the equivalent of the cat protozoan parasite Toxoplasma. which infects rats and somehow manipulates them into becoming willing victims of a cat.
We think of Harry as a rat, so the analogy seems very appropriate to me.
Narcs are very good at identifying their target, especially those with weak personal boundaries. Given that Doria has a degree in psychology, I'd bet a pound to a penny that her mother contributed substantially to the scheming.
If you have been following the Harkles since Megxit, you will know that initially when they left the UK, Meghan was reportedly hoping to work with A-list directors and producers as the lead on big-budget projects, which is likely why she initially renewed her ‘friendship’ with former Immaculate Heart schoolmate singer and actress Katherine McPhee and her powerful husband David Foster. But that seemed to have petered out because Meghan has little talent and the pandemic was in full force and indefinitely shutting down theater, film, and tv productions.
I followed it and was highly amused. First she let it be known that she didn't want to be cast as the lead in a movie, for fear that her celebrity would overshadow the project. (More of that fake humility from the time she thought it was too "boastful" to be on the cover of Vogue.) But she said she'd be open to being part of a large ensemble cast, as in the Avengers movies. (I guffawed really hard at that one.) Later she hinted that she wanted to work on small but serious projects with black women directors. She even name-dropped someone. And that was that last we heard of that.
There was also stone silence on Disney's end. And even Netflix was only interested in her as a package deal with her husband, to produce and not to act.
In all fairness, however, * did catch some genuine interest. Tara Reid of American Pie fame said she really wanted to cast * in an indie horror movie she was producing. I'm pretty sure a highly insulted * told her reps not even to bother with a reply.
And she's probably putting all the blame squarely on the coof. If she were more self-aware, she'd be grateful that the shutdown happened when it did. Otherwise it would be embarrassingly clear how little talent she actually has and how few people actually care to work with her.
But I also wonder . . . What if she could have been patient?
A few days after the Bond premiere, I realized that if Harry and * were still senior royals in good standing, they would have shared the spotlight with Prince Charles, Camilla and the Cambridges. * would finally have had the glamorous red carpet moment of her dreams. If she chose that moment to dress appropriately, she might have even given Catherine a run for her money. But she wasn't a part of it and she has no one to blame but herself.
I see similar impatience in the Oprah interview. At that point, she must have been desperate to get on TV -- and to be part of an Emmy-nominated production, no less! (I'm with those who believe Oprah locked down the nomination beforehand.) I wonder how many Hollywood decision-makers who would have been open to working with * in 2021 changed their minds because the interview was too much of a shiteshow. The Zoom-crashing wokestress * of 2020 at least seemed wholesome and approachable. But she was a far cry from the kohl-rimmed Dynasty reject slinging mud at her in-laws while one of them lay dying. Who wants to bring that baggage into a production?
she has turned herself solely toward the field of thoroughly appropriating Diana’s legacy by casting herself in the role of global activist and philanthropist.
I fully expect Harry to start saying in interviews that his mother had expressed interest in politics before she died and would undoubtedly have gone to New York to do the kind of work his wife is doing now. Got to get ahead of that narrative, after all!
She targeted Harry and his family in what will go down in history as one of the biggest con jobs of the 21st Century.
It's worth pointing out that * isn't even unique. Before she pretended she didn't know anything about the British Royal Family, Heather Mills pretended she had never heard any of Paul McCartney's hits (either with The Beatles or as a solo artist) and Hilary Baldwin pretended she didn't recognize Alec Baldwin.
One really good thing that I think has come out of all this is the attention it brings to narcs of this stripe. If Harry cannot save himself, at least let him be a cautionary tale to other men.
I am appalled. If there is a summit of merit, it is the Nobel Prize in the 6 fields they are awarded.
I suspect that her idea of `modernisation' wasn't just about cash - she was aiming at the hereditary basis of the Line of Succession. She was so used to being able to bend others to her will that she assumed that it would be a doddle to so discredit all who stood in her way that she would be at `No 1 in the Royal Hit Parade', carried there by the will of the people, assuming that she wasn't able to get Catherine out of the way and marry William...
Could that be the reason she said we hadn't got `enough' black people here? She was relying on them to be her constituency, little realising there are fewer here than one might think if one didn't check the figures.
That went well, then?
Narcissists are resentful, jealous, grudge holders and Meghan has all of these attributes.
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Thanks for this!! So true.
Though there are many people who exhibit these traits who are not narcs, those who stubbornly refuse to forgive, move on, say they are sorry, yet claim to be people of faith, most certainly have an ego problem.
In my experience, how I have tested the real narcs in my life is: how willing are they to show remorse, willing to change, to be better, to show human compassion, to evolve? Can they say they are sorry and make amends, can they forgive??
Those that have zero ability to do the above are narcs in my experience (and can be backed up with research). True narcs cannot do this long term!
So yes, TBW has never shown any remorse or willingness to be better, to do better with her husband's family nor her own, to show forgiveness.
Her agenda is to remain top dog, without considering her Church of England membership and Christ's teaching on being the servant and the lowliest on the ladder of life. She's a self made woman in love with her own creator...
How hypocritical of Meghan to say she was abused by the Queen's realm yet has stubbornly rejected any show or attempt at reconciliation for the wrongs **she** committed. Arrogance at it's worst!
TQ has more than shown forgiveness and her willingness because she lives her faith. This is what I admire most about Her Majesty. She is The Queen yet she graciously considers the lowly. She is Christlike in her approach; definitely someone who models faith and truth, who inspires others to do the same. I am very inspired by her ❤️
God save the Queen. And the rest of us.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10084113/Now-Harry-Meghan-banking.html
https://skippyv20.tumblr.com/post/664801687306977280/the-magically-disappearing-archie
Also Skippy raises the question of backers again...
Looks like it hit the NY Times.
Again, if this start up has an IPO then they are public and have a board. This is good in terms of the Harks because money management is well regulated as we know.
(I can't find Ethic on the NYSE list as it has no search bar. Maybe someone with working wrists can have some luck. I have carpel tunnel on both wrists).
Let's hope this company has the IPO so TBW can be under the world's hottest magnifying glass.
Looks like they are based in NYC...hmmmm. Limousene liberals. Ugh.
New York is a whole nother ball game. If you crash and burn there, you crash and burn everywhere :D
This is their website.
https://www.ethic.com/about-us
Your'e a dear. ❤️
https://www.ethic.com/insights/impactpartnership
Ethical banking? Don't make me laugh - for `B' read `W'.
Oh, my goodness! Are we still handing out lattes for the day? I think WBBM has won this round! HAHAHAHAHA!
I like this comment in the DM... 😅
Bluto..., London, United Kingdom, 25 minutes ago
Harry and Meghan , ethical bankers , the first royals to go "cockney rhyming slang" on us
Oh, my goodness! Are we still handing out lattes for the day? I think WBBM has won this round! HAHAHAHAHA!
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The question then becomes, what is "ethical wanking"? Lol.
Thanks! I saw that. What a joke.
You're the dear! I old eyes saw Mel. Sorry! Mel's a dear as well ❤️❤️
They give you the right to sell a stock at a certain price.
If you have the ability to sell at $15/share the stock needs to be above that to be profitable after they take out their fees for selling it for you. However, if the stock is trading below that price, your rights are worthless.
ex: Lots of people at IBM had the right to sell it at (make up numbers) at $125/share but the stock was trading at (make up numbers) $35. No one would buy it from them at $125 when they could easily buy it from someone else at $35.
What people are hoping is that with the IPO, the share price will soar and then they sell in that flurry and maybe hang onto some of it to sell profitable later.
What you also have to be aware of is not selling on insider information because you work there or have contacts. That's what happened with Martha - her broker knew someone inside.
The stock world is a jungle and they say: Pigs get slaughtered.
(I dated a stock broker once upon a time)
What people are hoping is that with the IPO, the share price will soar and then they sell in that flurry and maybe hang onto some of it to sell profitable later.
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This is more than likely what they are hoping will happen; (because of the risk in trading) the huge buyouts Silicon Valley is famous for.
The reason why she won't have a company in her/their name is because a profitable company needs the IPO at some stage. That's where the money comes in. AND, if she has a company with their name, they run the risk of ending up like Halston. He couldn't even use his own name. AND she would be accountable to a board who can vote her out.
Jay Lipman is a dreamy, handsome man. Woah! That accent. Now that she has the title and the sprogs, she may make a play for him. Harry is the poor man's Jay Lipman.
He seem's way too smart for her though...
What I am thinking in my post above is they may have some role as partner, with stock options if the IPO is in place.
As someone in the DM comments said, when Harry uses quotes saying "impact partners" he is really saying "whatever that means". It could mean they are now official partners in some capacity.
Waiting for Ethic to be Markled 3,2,1,...
i dont think they are public yet but many eventually want to do an IPO which would make money for all investors.
We dont know how much they are investing or if their names were lent in exchange for shares Ashton Krutcher did that with twitter used the product lent his name nabbed a ton of shares/money as a result
question is how much did they invest; was it their own money or is archwell using the wealth management side to park money is it just a name and brand thing (but cant imagine their names getting them far; at least not hers)
Wonder if travelyst will be an investment the bank invests in
Great post!
Ashton Kutcher is a smart man. Not Micheal from 70's show in any way. He must have great advisors if he lent and not sold his name. Dumbos like Harks could be open to expolitation. Halston was on drugs so...
I think I saw Travelyst on the NYSE index while scrolling. Maybe.
She was so used to being able to bend others to her will that she assumed that it would be a doddle to so discredit all who stood in her way that she would be at `No 1 in the Royal Hit Parade', carried there by the will of the people, assuming that she wasn't able to get Catherine out of the way and marry William...
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I think she'd rather be William than just marry him. She seems to need to be the centre of everything, not understanding that no small part of the reason Catherine does her job so well is because she does not seek the spotlight.
Meets someone's definition of social responsibility? How does anyone determine when someone else has done enough? does it mean they can stop it all now and go back to the way they used to do business? How do you level up for next year would be a better question?
There is this off hand comment by Lipman that ethical investing does equally well the the socalled sin stock investing.
And he's a salesman for his product so he will have charts and graphs to prove his point. But compared to what and for how long? There are other charts and other graphs which can prove other points.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/08/sri-versus-sin-stock.asp
Take for example Apple. They talk it, talk it well but if you search for articles on Apple socially responsible, you can get articles talking as far back as at least 2012 where they are not is pointed out. More recent ones point out other things.
Even if you decide they are not doing enough yet, a company like Apple is often listed even in mutual funds which are not related to that fund's title to help boost up the returns. But with a SRI fund, you cannot fill in with solid companies, known to help returns, because they have some "sin" product with makes them ineligible. And, being ineligible can also leave you with gaps in your portfolio by being sector specific.
And what is defined as a sin stock can change over time due to pressures to get returns meaning they can walk back on their ideals when needed.
So they don't always do as well even if they talk the talk. Sometimes yes. But sometimes no.
And, what almost every single piece of paper sent out by a brokerage firm says something about past returns are not guarantees of future returns.
So maybe he is doing really well right now. Where he'll be in a year or two years may be a different picture.
(thank you exBF)
Narcissists are resentful, jealous, grudge holders and Meghan has all of these attributes.
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Thanks for this!! So true.
Though there are many people who exhibit these traits who are not narcs, those who stubbornly refuse to forgive, move on, say they are sorry, yet claim to be people of faith, most certainly have an ego problem.
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I wonder how to characterize the types who mistakenly accuse and then proceed to endlessly harass and bully until a victim will disappear.
Inexplicably this type often appears to go on to mirror their victims after sabotaging them.
This character type also does exactly what they hypocritically and falsely accused others of.
At times paranoia is involved and this type will declare others are not who they claim to be and believe they are out to get them.
Perhaps there are multiple comorbid pathologies involved in certain types of behavior.
Notice no certifications, etc. of any of the founders.
Also notice....3 white guys. So much for diversity, eh?
"Ethic is an SEC registered investment adviser. Registration of an investment adviser does not imply any specialized level of skill or training."
The Hard Luck Club
Their mythical, ethical banking
Sounds more like J Arthur Ranking
Another tug on a teat
To pay bills they can’t meet
Her FTSE won’t float,
end up tanking
Madam is neither popular,
nor respected…
Her next move ©#Bitchcoin
Would a company supposedly about 'moral principles' team up with a pair of grifters most famous for trashing their respective families and taking money that was supposed to be for people in need? What could they possibly gain by cavorting and partnering up with people notorious for no morals?
Would you be chasing after those people waving around your retirement fund, begging for financial advice? (I'd run as far away as I could.)
I think the type of people who want to team up with Maggot and Mole share the same dodgy type of ethics. 🥴
That reminds me:
Old definition of `mistress': `Something that comes between Master and Mattress'.
@Swampie@RR
Me-thical: morally corrupt!
Hahaha WildBoar
Cash as well as ash?
Love the mistress/mattress/actress
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's move into banking will see them work alongside self-styled 'hippies', who start meetings with 'gratitude sessions' and list a dog as its 'Chief Smile Officer'.
I wonder if TBW is a 'Chief Smile Officer'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10086147/Inside-Harry-Meghans-hippy-investment-firm.html
Love it Maneki
“Snarly and Me”
Harry’s new catchphrase 😉
Totally O/T
Had hair done, rained!
Late lunch, rather than dinner,
with Mister Mistie, hic!
Mistielets out to play
Life is wonderful 🥰
Meghan Markle's best advice to working women includes 'staying out of the drama'
I didn't click on it but just seeing that headline has given me a really good laugh this morning.
Madam has managed to ruin my
Emma, Duchess of Rutland podcasts.
Emma interviewed A J Langer,
Hollywood actress, now known as
the Countess of Devon.
Another SoCal/ValleyGirl
She never stopped talking,
about nothing.
Yoga & well-being etc..
Then added her support
for madam!!
Apologies, not having a dig at Americans,
just sick of these Cali-faux-liars
@Lurking
The only drama that would ensue
was when she stated her price…😉
Supplanted
The splitter, scatter of her flying hooves
Time she faced a few home truths
Whatever she touches, is indelibly spoiled
Doesn’t she realise, she’s been ghosted,
unroyalled
Wonder if they are moving all their money, accounts, company accounts , etc, over to this Ethic Financial firm for them to manage, or are they just selling their name/brand to the Ethic Firm?
This sounds like it has the potential to be a huge disaster for them in the long run. sounds scammy/ or incompetent management like the Frye Festival, Theros, Epstein, etc etc. but that probably wouldnt happen for a few years .
@CookieShark I'd say that the average New Yorker is far more savvy than the average Cali stoner. I'd love to see Harry and his wife trying to even fit in, much less take over NY society.
Heh. I would postulate that the average Californian is more "polite" about confrontations with panhandlers* than New Yorkers are likely to be.
*Unless you can come up with a better term than panhandlers for people with no discernible skill or talent that expect people to support them.
I thought: oh, is has the same aura or feel of needing to have the last word as the service is universal comment.
One of the comments: Jog on. Others talk about how this attempt may be well linked to the Netflix deal or similar or just their usual game playing of what will they do next.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10086147/Inside-Harry-Meghans-hippy-investment-firm.html
Husband just called. He is about halfway here from Georgia, about 2 hours away. He asked me if I were ready to go now instead of tomorrow (no, I'm shoveling sh*t and in my old sh*t shoveling clothes). The two youngest granddaughters are going to be here for a 3-day weekend, I'm trying to finish up Christmas shopping for the youngest grandchildren by Friday, and simultaneously frantically trying to get garden space ready for the fall/winter garden and am running out of time to plant strawberries. The fuel efficient vehicle is up THERE because I only drive my ol' farm truck around here, and now I'll need to have it to get the granddaughters and carry them around.
I'm going to be really aggravated with 6 and his Future Ex Wife if they create more drama when I'm not online to appreciate it. (I'm still marveling that a firm of "financial investment advisors" would think that it is a good look to hire some of the people that are the worst money handlers EVER to be the public face of their firm.) I can give you incredibly bad financial investment advice FOR FREE! (Buy Evergrande on the dip! You'll make a fortune! Just ignore the fact that there is no recourse for foreign investors. It will be fine.)
Thanks for tip off about the Countess of Devon - shan't bother with the retail opportunities at Powderham the next time I'm that way. The Devons aren't to be confused with the Devonshires up at Chatsworth. The Devon title is by far the older. `Devonshire' arose from blunder by the College of Heralds back in the day as there aren't normally 2 separate sets of aristos related to the same bit of territory. The 1st Dk Of Devonshire should have been the Dk of Derbyshire but scribes/calligraphers writing out the documents got the 2 counties confused. It was too late to change it by the time anyone checked the paperwork!
There was an earlier, but still notorious, Countess of Devon. The story is that
she was in charge of port dues at Topsham, on the other side of the R.Exe. Sadly for them , water levels changed and ships could get past Topsham to Exeter- the City Fathers of Exeter were delighted, they got more cash and it was cheaper for the ships.
The very peeved Countess retaliated by having a weir built to block the river and force ships to dock at Topsham, so the City Fathers had the very first ship canal in England dug, entered on the west bank of the river downstream from Topsham. There are old photos of sailing ships being towed up to Exeter by horses! Details here for anyone who's interested:
http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/em/_areas/countesswear.php.
Nowadays the Countess Weir roundabout causes some shocking traffic delays. For road traffic, there's a bridge that opens sideways - motorists get even more fed up if the bridge is opened to let boats through!
More sycophantic drivel, a.k.a. damage control, from one of *’s sugary-est paid shills.
I believe the Harkle’s are absolutely being denied the church of England christening in Windsor with her Majesty in attendance, and despite bloviating defensive purchases stories to the contrary from the -* camp, a number of things will NEVER happen as long as Charles and the future William IV draw breath:
Lili will not receive a christening in Windsor nor ever meet her Royal relatives on either side of the Atlantic. It is very hard to baptize or greet a baby which does not exist. Harry’s wife is completely desperate… Completely desperate by now..For narcissistic fuel. Regardless of their bleating of “privacy” For their invisible children, if TBW Had any children to show off, either for cash or just a random magazine shot for free solely for the attention, she would be doing it.
There are those who disagree with me, including vlogger River, but I have never believed that those two had children, and I believe it all the more since their arrival in America. If Lily and Archie are later proved incontrovertibly to exist, I will eat these words and apologize to all in sundry, but for the moment I am comfortable in my certainty that Arch & Lili exist only in *’s PR narrative. If the reality is different, I invite her to prove it. So far, that’s not been done. Even so, were they granted such a juicy self-promotional opportunity as a royal christening in Windsor, H’s wife Would rent, borrow or steel a girl infant of suitable age…or have one made. Netflix is breathing down their necks for con tent, and they haven’t got any. It’s going to be embarrassing to face legal demands to return the money that’s already been spent on fake PR and private jets and rinky-dink jewelry and the 26 toilet Casa Monteshitto sinkhole.
So, the toxic duo would show up in Windsor with a fake baby and a Netflix camera crew. Two reasons why they will never be permitted to do so. I think H’s wife has been banned from the country. As in,4Ever. What else would explain the 180° turn around from such a certainty in July that they would be attending the reception for Diana which was postponed from the summer, followed by a royal christening four the figment of their imagination which they named after the Queen?
Smeg is all talk signifying nothing. Always has been, always will be.
In my mind, the big question is not whether he had 'congress' with her or not... it is WHO are her backers and WHY are they involved. Of course, like *, if it's a money grab, she's all in.
The description of this latest dialogue does not match the content. I am not sure if this was intentional or accidental.
If you are interested in this topic, it is worth a listen.
I listened to Lady C’s latest video too regarding the Andrew and civil case against him and it was mighty enlightening.😟 Lady C said some of the British press (namely The Mirror and others) and American press have an agenda against Andrew and are anti monarchists and are driving the narrative of a rape claim as well. I’ve also heard about the dodgy past of Virginia Roberts and her stories not adding up. I am of the opinion, why isn’t she going after other VIP’s? Why only Andrew?
This is a Civil case, it’s a money grab. Let’s be clear here, Andrew has not been charged and found guilty of anything, he is innocent until proven otherwise like any other person. I don’t think he’s of great character, but that doesn’t mean he’s guilty as Virginia seems to want us believe.😔🤔
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/big-brother-vip-thomas-markle-jr-says-meghan-dumped-first-husband/KBAETOOJXJ2R6IPWD62PN6GCFQ/
Big Brother VIP: Thomas Markle Jr says Meghan 'dumped' first husband
14 Oct, 2021 01:29 AM3 minutes to read
news.com.au
By: Lexie Cartwright
(i)Meghan Markle's half brother Thomas has claimed the Duchess brutally "dumped" her first husband before she married Prince Harry.
The baseless speculation was included in a clip from an upcoming reality show set in Australia.
In a new preview for the upcoming Channel 7 series Big Brother VIP, Thomas Markle Jr. continued his tirade against his royal sibling, with whom he shares a father, Thomas Markle.
The 55-year-old, who Meghan has previously claimed she has had nothing to do with, is a contestant on the upcoming all-star reality series.
In a new preview, Thomas is heard telling his fellow cast mates that Meghan "walked all over" her first husband, US producer Trevor Engelson.
"The guy she was married to the first time … She just walked all over him and dumped him,"
Thomas is heard saying.
"Harry's on the chopping block next."
Thomas is then seen sitting in the diary room, declaring he will "write a letter" to Harry and Meghan on camera.
"Dear Meghan and Harry, the first thing I want to say to both of you is …".
It comes after a first teaser was released in August, in which Thomas said: "I told Prince Harry, I think she's going to ruin your life. She's very shallow."
Big Brother VIP is expected to premiere in November.
Caitlyn Jenner, former MAFS star Jessika Power and Donald Trump's former political aide Omarosa are among the celebrities set to star.
Engelson, 44, began dating a then-budding actress Meghan in 2004. They were married in Jamaica in 2011 before divorcing 18 months later citing "irreconcilable differences".
Meghan, who was starring on the TV series Suits, met Prince Harry on a blind date in mid-2016, before they became engaged in October 2017.
They were married in May 2018 at Windsor Castle and have since had two children, Archie, 2, and Lilibet Diana, who was born in June this year.
Addressing her relationship with her outspoken siblings – specifically her half-sister Samantha Markle – Meghan told Oprah Winfrey in March that she didn't "feel comfortable talking about people that I don't really know", in response to claims Samantha was writing a tell-all book.
She also revealed she no longer has a relationship with her father, Thomas Markle.
"I think it would be very hard to tell all when you don't know me. I mean, this is a very different situation than my dad, right? When you talk about betrayal, betrayal comes from someone that you have a relationship with," Meghan told Oprah.
"She changed her last name back to Markle in – I think she was in her early fifties at that time – only when I started dating Harry, so I think that says enough. (/i)
(Sic - no closed speech mark)
Mostly old news, except for the bit about `baseless speculation'- referring presumably to the report that the first Trevor knew about his impending divorce was when he got her rings back in the post. Any comments?
How do the dates tie in? No mention of the Canadian boyfriend.
Harry and Meghan-backed 'ethical' investment firm has ploughed millions into Facebook and Twitter despite couple's campaigns against social media - and invests in drug giants that the couple say should give away Covid vaccine patents.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090985/Harry-Meghan-backed-ethical-investment-firm-ploughed-millions-Facebook-Twitter.html
But one Ethic customer told the Telegraph that the 'genius' of Ethic is its use for 'tax loss harvesting' - a term for when the super-rich use loss-making investments to offset tax gains elsewhere.
Today's revelations raises more questions about the 'greenwashing' of business with some experts claiming big corporations claiming to have progressive social values and environmental passions is 'the defining scam of our time'.
What's amazing is that Hairy is too stupid to even come up with a realistic description of the "baby." "She just sits there and chills," is beyond lack of imagination/intelligence.
As for Virginia, as an educator I've seen many sexually/emotionally abused children who were vulnerable to adult abusers. Sexual predators have an ability to spot those who are vulnerable, and exploit them. Virginia's parents blaming her is really awful, and lets us know who abused her first.
One about Prince William talking about how all this people are spending money on expensive space trips when we need to focus on saving the planet they will return to after they've spent all this money getting away from it. (where to put money to help more than just yourself)
The other is about how Catherine is still wearing clothes she had before her first pregnancy. (recycling clothes in times of financial difficulties of people in her country, not needing to wear only the latest fashions to look good and maintaining her body shape/weight after pregnancy)
Late catching up (out all day). I agree with every single word you wrote about Andrew. Unsavoury he may be but he hasn't been proved guilty of anything. V Roberts is after money and he's an easy target: easy to find, the BRF has plenty of money and might want to pay and cover up a scandal. I too read that she actually procured girls and in any case she was paid for her dodgy activities. And why isn't she after all the other men she 'met'? Dodgy as hell.
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The clothing article was IMHO a praise at Catherine's frugality in keeping timeless pieces and wearing them. The woman has kept her figure, knows her fashion sense, and knows who she is, not appealing to the latest trends.
William is entitle to his opionion on the space race in the private sector. William is promoting his EarthShot venture and is continuing with Charles's ecological lifestyle choices. Britain has not been known for the space race. For William to jump and down and ask when can he go would be hilarious and totally out of character.
Oh no, not William or Catherine. They are the look at the good examples - drawing attention to them and by contrasting who isn't the good example of UK values by omission.
His brother (who and what social group they are trying to join and the values which appear to be with that group) and the wife (what she wears and how she wears it)
I think they work as both straightforward reporting and as IYKYK snark.
IYKYK -- "If you know, you know"
The arrival of * was like a bomb. There was some structural damage done and more fallout over time is to be expected. I think that quite a few things that happened in 2019 and 2020 were some kind of reaction to her (either damage control or full-on shade); but it would be unfair to think that everything the BRF does from this point forward still happens under the shadow of *.
I apply the same standard to royal reporting in the UK. Two years ago, journalists must have felt highly motivated by the chance to take swings at Harry and *. And perhaps positive coverage of the Cambridges during that time had an extra layer of anti-Harkle snark. But I just don't detect that any longer.
Life goes on, priorities change, and the Harkles grow more boring by the minute. I think most royal reporters these days need to be reminded that Harry and * even exist. If they do dish up some shade, it's now mostly coincidence.
It is a fair amount of Oprah processing her past through his comments about how things are laid down (as a baby), a fair amount of basic neurological how things work (you don't need a lot of background but it does help), and how to then take this knowledge, respond and change your future.
It has some good ideas and points about what he noticed in a situation and how it helped him help the person he was supposed to be helping. His stories are good.
There is a lot about trauma observed, internalized and then compounded by doctors, teachers or parents not understanding the kid's actions and then quickly label/medicate. Generational trauma (think multiple generations).
One of the problems I see is how to do the layering onto medical doctors the additional burden of getting to know their patient better so they can use that information to offer more holistic better therapy, choices is wonderful idea. Like it. But given that insurance companies don't currently compensate for this kind of interaction (even for more than a brief question or two), it will take a doctor knowing enough already, remembering this patient's history, picks up on something they say which is related somehow to why they are seeing this doctor and then to ask the right question which unwraps the core issues.
There was a nice example of someone with PTSD who did not sleep well nightly except on Saturdays when they did a lot dancing somewhere and when they had a massage. So noticing that one night was different than the others and asking why meant it became encouraging more of both, the guy started sleeping better, life got better and so on. PTSD is a horrible horrible thing to be living with.
There was a lot about the different ways neglect can show up (including outsourcing parental care to children). Which segues to keeping routines, people and having a diverse supporting system (people, generations, family) help someone raise a kid (because you cannot show love, caring, empathy to your kid if you did not get that yourself).
At the end, there is a good quote (kind of sums up the book) by Oprah
"The lesson is that no matter what has happened, you get a chance to rewrite the script."
I can agree on parts of that (we don't have to recreate our past learned patterns) but I cannot say it is a universal truth we can apply and should apply to every aspect of our life. One of my worries about society is the idea of people not teaching kids life has consequences which sometimes can be very brutal and you don't always get a do over. So we can work on changing the script for the future but it (the now changed future) may be with very different options than if we did X or Y.
So there is some interesting, provocative, good and useful things in there.
I was going to observe that I expect * will dump H just as soon as she's emptied his coffers and destroyed him psychologically - he will just be a husk.
That thought put me in mind of ichneumon wasps - they lay their eggs in the juicy caterpillars of other insects and the resulting wasp larvae consume the caterpillar from the inside, leaving nothing but the skin. An even nearer analogy is that of the aptly-named `hagfish'. For a long time, zoologists couldn't decide whether these were very primitive animals, like the early jawless fishes, or whether they had evolved over time, enabling them to adopt their particular way of life (rather like our discussions as to whether narcissists are born or made). The current view is that their genetics suggest a truly ancient origin.
Even as a biologist, I find hagfish disgusting, worse than lampreys. Wikipedia describes their way of feeding thus: `hagfish can feed upon and often even enter and eviscerate the bodies of dead and dying/injured sea creatures much larger than themselves.' If you are are a sensitive soul, don't look up the entry!
I believe they often enter their living prey through the mouth. Metaphorically, our `hagfish' identified H as a vulnerable source of financial nourishment and a way of achieving narcissistic fuel. She got to him through his ears.
Just my zoological opinion.
and yes, to the leaching of Harry - I have always said that TBW will bide her time until Harry turns age 40 and has his money in his own name and then she will leave him and attempt to take it all with her. It is so obvious that it is not funny. I am in hopes that Harry is smart enough that his team has fiancial sharks. and I am not going to held my breath.
https://youtu.be/HRQWLY1ybQc
An expert on NPD analyzes a case study of the events leading up to an episode of Narc rage in a corporate setting.
The Narc in question is not TBW but I hope Dr. Todd will get around to her one of these days.
A few questions this raises—
1. Have we seen Mugs’ Narcissistic collapse yet or is it still coming? What form is it going to take?
2. Do you think the Royal Family has cottoned on over the course of theae tumultuous 4 years since she entered their orbit to what they are dealing with vis a vis Smegs’ various mental and personality disorders? We are not privy to all they know and their strategic plans of any for containing the Harkle debacle. From the outside, the Casa Monteshittos appear to still be getting a lot of leeway for their blatant grift and bad behavior. What of the what is to Me the biggest scandal of the century, if as I feel in my gut, is the truth: That Madame faked not one but two pregnancies in the public eye, pretended to give birth twice and proposes to stage a second fake christening in Windsor to follow the first, all for Netflix?
Revealing the insidious plot to create two fake heirs To the succession of the crown of Great Britain for the purposes of narcissistic fuel, global attention and an assured pot of gold And two chips for extortion against the royal family in perpetuity… That is the Kraken. But TBW’s obvious sociopathy and histrionics are surrounded by a stonewall of official silence and are only discussed in the blogosphere. Even TBH is most virulent Internet critics shy away from considering the Kraken. Yet she continues to be enabled and abetted in this monstrous lie.
Having her non-motherhood unmasked would end her, but so far the coup seems grace is not forthcoming. When she does suffer her collapse, I fear for H and the dogs and anyone else who may be in the house with her.
Do you think she will be exposed in at least the next ten years?
I've always believed that the BRF would keep her secret forever, because their playing along with the first fraud ultimately damages them, too. (It might seem obvious now what they should have done then, but perhaps they were simply too shell shocked at the time.) But the more * pushes herself forward, the more people she repels and turns off. And I've come to a point where I think that the majority would cheer the BRF and forgive absolutely everything if they admitted the truth.
They wouldn't even have to defend themselves for the times they lied to people's faces about being excited about the babies. The public would fill in the blanks for them, happily making them look like the good guys who tried to take the high road despite being blackmailed and repeatedly stabbed in the back. But after they realized the type of villain they were dealing with, they did their best to cut * from their lives and from their country as cleanly as possible. For which I can only imagine the country being grateful.
But for the coup de grace to be perfect, there will have to be something to prepare the way. That she faked not one, but two pregnancies and births is such a huge claim that it can't be the first thing out of the gate. We'll need a better introduction to her mental instablity. And this is why I hope there is video evidence of her throwing a pot of scalding hot tea at someone in Australia. That would be the perfect leak to set everything up.
Singalong 🎤
Apologies: The Weather Girls
It’s Raining Men
Diver Deep Fountain High
Hi, I’m your nether girl
And I’ve got news for you
Get ready with your wallet$ men
Leaking soon on paper view 🧻
Stupidity is rising
Bar is set so low
All around her wondering
How lowdown ho will go
Just a matter of who and when
Once more, no mystery
She’s gonna start feigning again…
It’s feigning meg! I’llafoolya
It’s feigning meh! Ahem
Golden rain spouting again…
We just picked up the October issue at our local Barnes and Noble. In the Society Bystander column the duo are definitely out! They are listed along with Crocs, Screwtop wines, Which Covid vaccine you got, Ridiculous dietary requirements, Badly behaved children and other various irritations.
"Despite the brief reprieve, it's still naff to display Christmas cards from the Royal Family. We'll always heap obloquy on men who wear bd brown shoes - even Prince Harry, about whom it is now otherwise forbidden to be snobbish. He is, after all, living his truth."
What a change from just a short time ago they were on Tattler's top 10 list of people to know.
Thanks as well to @Maisie - we're in desperate need of good news over here. So much gloom and doom.
"Despite the brief reprieve, it's still naff to display Christmas cards from the Royal Family. We'll always heap obloquy on men who wear bad brown shoes - even Prince Harry, about whom it is now otherwise forbidden to be snobbish. He is, after all, living his truth."
All formal shoes on the feet of the `Officer Class/Gentry and above' should be well polished and brown never worn in Town (ie London!). That used to be the rule - and suede ones would cause the odd raised eyebrow and suggest `batting for the other side'.
Foxymoron
Laughing hard at their ethical score
Investing in Murdoch’s Media Corp
Mining for oil, just another rig
As for the gold, she’ll personally dig
Hand in Brand with pharma firms
Only those with favourable terms
But the biggest bomb
with their latest fiddles
Are the links to deadly laser missiles
Ah WildBoar
Thanks, it’s getting harder
with these two. Bloody boring!!
Yes, well polished brown shoes,
still worn where I come from,
including my b/inlaw.
Madam may have a chance
with Bezos, latest photos show she
has much in Common with Sanchez..
Con-damned
Part of the deal
Was to kneel
And then steal
We still can’t see the appeal
As she stamped her rank seal
Haz took his last meal
The rest is a nightmare, Surreal
Bed Knobs and Broomsticks
Once it was a happy place
Where hazzer bounced,
kept up the pace
All too soon his bed had sagged
Then he realised
just what he’d bagged
The springs soon wore
The cover tore
The mattress actress
was a wh**e…
Ha ha ha! You found good inspiration, although I agree it's getting harder and the 6s are boring. TBW certainly knelt 😉 and stole 😀
It sounds bad now, but he was just a kid. Sounds like he was a bratty kid, but even so. Those things happen. Even to us, as adults.
With the lifestyle of boarding school, and splitting whatever time was left between the two parents, I kind of suspect that they didn't really have that much contact with either parent.
That's typical of a kid's life in that income bracket? They go away to boarding school at an early age. Boarding school becomes their family.
I don't think that they had the nurturing parental life that maybe you and I provide to our children.
From https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/earthakitt/justanoldfashionedgirl.html
I'm just an old fashioned girl with an old fashioned mind
Not sophisticated, I'm the sweet and simple kind.
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire.
I want an old fashioned car, a cerise Cadillac,
Long enough to put a bowling alley in the back.
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire.
I'll stay weaving at my loom,
Be no trouble to my groom,
If he'll keep the piles of money mounting.
In our cottage there will be
A soundproof nursery
Not to wake the baby while I'm counting.
I like the old fashioned flowers, violets are for me -
Have them made in diamonds by the man at Tiffany.
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire.
I'm just a pilgrim at heart, oh so pure and genteel.
Watch me in Las Vegas while I'm at the spinning wheel!
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire.
I'll ask for such simple things when my birthday occurs:
Two apartment buildings that are labeled 'Hers' and 'Hers'.
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire.
I like Chopin and Bizet
And the songs of yesterday,
String quartets and Polynesian carols.
But the music that excels
Is the sound of oil wells
As they slurp, slurp, slurp into the barrels.
Our little home will be quaint as an old parasol,
And instead of carpets I'll have money wall to wall.
I want an old fashioned house, with an old fashioned fence
And an old fashioned millionaire
@Mel: Lady CC said that's why Hairy is feeling guilty about his mother's death.
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Ah. I see what you meant. Although you'd think that would be one of the first things he'd work on in therapy. He is seriously one messed up adult.
I feel like he got stuck at age 12 (and he was a young age 12) and never matured.
I think Magatha is a rapper in real life. :-)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10095299/Meghan-Harrys-sustainable-investment-firm-shares-Rupert-Murdochs-Fox-News.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090985/Harry-Meghan-backed-ethical-investment-firm-ploughed-millions-Facebook-Twitter.html
It’s par for the course . How did we guess it would stink? Obvious really.
Some more of the neuro and lots and lots of stories about his experiences with clients. Great stuff if you like that kind of thing. One of the groups he was involved with were the kids who left the Branch Davidian camp. This was in more detail than in the with Oprah book.
Also in both books was the talk of cutters (people who self harm) and that one thing many seem to say is that they cut themselves to feel that they are alive. Which brings me to 6. Maybe one of things going on is that he had a certain amount of emptiness, lack of direction most of his life, maybe guilt and what she represented was the chance to take some risks he never felt secure enough to try on his own? Egging him on so to speak?
£19,000-a-year London private school launches BLM-inspired lessons about 'white privilege' with Meghan Markle's Royal racism claims and the lack of a black James Bond on the curriculum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10100611/BLM-inspired-lessons-white-privilege-launched-19-000-year-London-private-school.html
St Dunstan's hasn't changed the school motto which translates as `Adorn the White'.
I'd bet Magatha could win a freestyle rap contest!
DC looked great again recycling an old gown.
Neil Sean says that * will produce Lillibucks at Xmas to rival the Queen's Christmas Message.
Although I did not watch the ceremony I did read the results and as a scientist I was impressed with the winners and what they had accomplished and what their endeavors surely promise for the future. I have always know Costa Rica was a country committed to work with its citicizens and commercial industry to strive for ecological redemption. Maybe other countries will sit up and take notice. I having worked on improving air quality was impressed with the young man in India and his invention because of its vast potential in worldwide rural/poor areas where other options for dealing with biomass is not possible. I am also pleased to see that the nagging problem of making hydroigen gas quicker snd cheaper was accomplished by a partnership with one team member from a south pacific island. Her improved processes/discovery could truly be great in terms of impact.
If Harry and Meghan thought going to Stanford might burnish their intellectual image for the utterly illconceived Travelest as an environmental solution of any consequence, it was a waste of time for all involved. You can send the village idiot to school but you can't make him learn anything. There is no way Harry can top the Earthshot Awards unless Bezos or Elon Musk and their billions gets behind him (but hey, they didn't get rich being stupid like Harry).
I have a friend who runs a carbon credit trading company in Switzerland and was nominated by the World Economic Forum as some sort of model to follow but I think his projects have very little impact although they've made him quite wealthy. He says he is the one who first calculated how many tonnes of carbon a person produces by taking an airplane flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewZRtEC7GGU
Btw, that image of the 3 Montecito plotters sitting around reading their phones, that a Nutty gave us about the reaction to the Divine Duchess at the James Bond premiere, reminded me of the TV sitcom `The Royle Family'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewZRtEC7GGU
PS the report about H$M & D sitting around reading their phones put me in mind of the sitcom about the Liverpudlian `Royle Family'.
sitting around, reading their phones reminds me of the family in Schitt's Creek.