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The Valentine Low book will be out in a day or two.  The USA release is late January so it will miss the December holiday rush.  Too bad.  

We have already had a few excerpts from it.  Goodness knows what else is there lurking in the pages waiting to confirm the suspecting mind or shock the unprepared mind who hasn't been following this saga.

While we wait, it got me thinking about all the things which we weren't seeing a couple of years ago about the 5's but now are.  

This and the Tom Bower books - nope.  They are dense, detailed and full of unflattering information about the couple.  The early yet critical books really stop short of spilling anything really specific like these do.

Before the Queen's death, people started showing up to events, holding signs and booing the couple.  And, it was the news about that event most of the time.  

Or that someone declined to have their hand shaken by her.  Wow.  That's a quantum shift from the picture perfect hug and compliments.  The criticism tide is rising.

Even in the DM, there are stories about how unhappy 5 looks and specifically citing a comparison to Edward VIII.  Yes, the comparison of the two has been around but now they are talking about how sad they both look/looked.  Or the comparisons of her and Wallis.  They just seem more pointed now.

The recent pictures?  The criticism stops short of calling them propaganda but does mention that the look is quite regal and works in that there is the appearance of trying to set up a rival court.  That's a new comment.

I don't know where or how Valentine is getting his information but it does come off as possible Palace tolerated so far.  That would not have happened in the past.  Perhaps there is truth to the idea of HM was the shield and now that's gone.  I don't know but that is worth a thought.  The book was in motion before she passed (which probably could not have predicted to come out so closely spaced) but maybe it was a signal of the coming change?  

We may still be looking for a big Kraken release but this is still change in that we wouldn't have seen any of this that long ago.  Besides, small leaks still create damage. It just takes time.  And the crown always plays the long game.

As Joe Kenda would say (as he looks you in the eye and smiles his bemused half smile, shaking his head): "My, my, my."



Comments

Sandie said…
https://houseofbrat.tumblr.com/archive

This blogger does astrology readings and is convinced that a separation and divorce is possible/probable within the next year.

As always, I believe that he is settled into a toxic relationship with a crazy woman for life. It is probably not impossible for her to dump him, if she finds a very wealthy man who will take her on and feed her insatiable desire for attention and control.
@Henrietta:

Yes. I too recall the rumour/allegation but can't recall the source or when it appeared. He was said to be frightening the children when he was drunk - presumably George and Charlotte at that stage.
@GWAH -re Our Family:

Funny... I thought that 3 of the 4 Sussexes, as presented to us, had nary a trace of melanosomes in their dermal layers:

Has * got another, `secret, family?

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/446982331743107939/
I skimmed through the Wikipedia entry on tungsten and found a few more apposite properties of the metal - for example, it forms cubic crystals so perhap Spongebob should be Cubepants.

Of course, Charles is probably better acquainted with the metal than we might expect - there have been plans to mine it at Hemerdon, just outside Plymouth and almost on the doorstep of Duchy of Cornwall land in Devon. The scheme is on hold at the moment but it's possibly (one of) the largest deposits currently known.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/southwest/series6/tungsten.shtml
Sandie said…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20060899/prince-harry-wellkid-awards-archie-voice/

I am not going to criticize him on this (Well Child Awards being done virtually). I am just pleased that TBW stayed away. He spruced up and looks happy.

The children who got the awards are phenomenal - so young and so many challenges but they went ahead and achieved more than most adults do in their entire lives.
lizzie said…
The rumor about Harry scaring the kids so Will "banned" him never made sense to me. The family lived in Norfolk. Not at KP until the fall of 2017. Harry wasn't wandering into the house drunk in Norfolk. And he was in the military until 2015. By the time the family and Harry lived close together, MM was living there too or moved there within weeks. So I'm not sure about the "drunk Harry with nothing to do but bother his brother's family" story.
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11299353/Prince-Harry-makes-surprise-video-call-WellChild-award-winners.html

The DM has more photos and a short video.

I am not seeing the imminent separation and divorce that various psychics, astrologers, tarot readers, and naughty but delightful speculative gossips have pronounced is imminent.

He spoke about his children and his dogs in a pretty normal way. (Archie sounds like he is hyperactive; Lilli seems to have been silent for her first year and some of her life.)
MissyPab said…
Hello Fellow Nutties,

This may have been shared but though this was interesting:

from CDAN
Many of the charity scenes that were shot prior to the death of the royal, make the royal look bad, so there need to be changes or reshoots with charities here in the US. The consensus right now is there will be two seasons. One will consist of the charity sporting games which have nothing controversial in them. It is hoped then they will get the titles the covet and then can release the dirt in a second season to coincide with the new release date of the book


Longtime lurker. Hope KCIII doesn't fall for this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11298905/D-list-Harry-Meghan-poor-Hollywood-Elon-Musk-single.html

My heart bleeds for them.
Hikari said…
@lizzie

The rumor about Harry scaring the kids so Will "banned" him never made sense to me. The family lived in Norfolk. Not at KP until the fall of 2017. Harry wasn't wandering into the house drunk in Norfolk. And he was in the military until 2015. By the time the family and Harry lived close together, MM was living there too or moved there within weeks. So I'm not sure about the "drunk Harry with nothing to do but bother his brother's family" story.

Kensington Palace Apt. 1A has been the official London residence of William and Catherine since 2013, after it was renovated for them at a cost of 1M pounds (still about half the cost of the FrogCott reno). Presumably, the new Prince & Princess of Wales retain their staff at KP, since they are unlikely to be working officially out of Adelaide Cottage. Even if they wind up moving into Frogmore House or even Windsor Castle, the distance is inconvenient enough for a multiple-times daily commute that they will still need a London home.

From Vogue, September 2018:

Amid this royal community, the Cambridges live in Kensington Palace 1A, a 20-room, four-story apartment. Previously, it belonged to Princess Margaret, but William and Kate moved there in 2013 after it underwent a reported 1 million pound renovation. According to the Daily Mail, “it boasts generous living space, including five reception rooms, three main bedrooms, dressing rooms and bathrooms, a night and day nursery, staff bedrooms and ‘ancillary’ rooms.” The walls are filled with art from the Royal Collection. In addition to the main house, there are large staff quarters and a large walled-in garden.

It is true that until after the birth of Louis, the couple preferred to stay at Anmer Hall in Norfolk as much as possible, where Harry was not wandering into the kitchen, but they were making frequent trips up to London during that time. The Queen seems to have requested that the family spend more time in London, seeing as 1A had had so much money spent on it to outfit it as a suitable office/reception space for a future Prince of Wales. In the intervening 4 years, the couple was in residence in KP for official London events, of which there were many. They received Barack and Michelle Obama there in 2016. Harry was discharged from the Army in 2015, a full three years before his marriage, so I'd say that there were indeed numerous opportunities for him to drop in on the Cambridges a stone's throw away from Nott Cott. William is on camera as saying jovially in reaction to the engagement announcement that he was happy that a married Harry wouldn't be coming over to raid their refrigerator all the time. At the time I thought that was a funny down-to-earth brotherly joke to make, but in retrospect all I can see is that William tactically avoided saying that he was thrilled that his brother had found such a wonderful woman.

Charlotte was born in 2015, so I'm thinking that any instances of Uncle Harry turning up wasted to his brother's house would have been in the 2015 - 2017 period, when George was a preschooler and Charlotte just an infant/toddler. It's not like the entirety of 2016 - 17 was happily occupied with dating his new lady and she was a mitigating influence on him during that time. Regardless of what H&M claimed about dating for 18 months, what seems to have occurred is that they hooked up some time in mid-2016, had about 6 months of sporadic transatlantic booty calls . . once or twice a month, because she was still working on Suits and still traveling around on Tig freebies . .and Hazza was pursuing his own interests, including international polo tournaments and charity appearances both solo and with W & C. If the Cambridges were 'in town' for work events, I'm sure Harry was welcome to drop in (sober) and if he wasn't, William wasn't out of line to tell him not to come over wasted.

Hikari said…
H's active military career *officially* is 10 years . .but he was not actively deployed and away for a solid decade, even accounting for the leave that every soldier would be entitled to. In 2008, his proposed 10-week tour of duty in Afghanistan was cut short--officially due to press leaks of the location of his unit. I say officially because I think we all know that H was not a stellar soldier during his enlistment. So he was over there 6-8 weeks at the most. His second tour in 2012 lasted for 16 weeks, and I think the infamous Las Vegas naked pool weekend occurred while he was on leave after that assignment.

In between these very brief tours of duty, he spent more time in Blighty than he did away from it. He was a commissioned lieutenant in the Household Guard so he may have spent some of his active service time with them rather than his other unit. They do things differently for a Prince.

From NEWSWEEK:

"Harry told his Apple TV docuseries The Me You Can't See how he experienced four years of chaos from aged 28 to 32.

Prince Harry said: "I was willing to drink, I was willing to take drugs. I was willing to do the things that made me feel less like I was feeling.

"But I slowly became aware that, OK, I wasn't drinking Monday to Friday but I would probably drink a week's worth in one day on a Friday or a Saturday night.

"And I would find myself drinking not because I was enjoying it but because I was trying to mask something."


The 4 years of chaos were from 2012 - 2016, and that corresponds to when the Cambridges were at KP some of the time with a very young George and Charlotte. I'm sure H will spin it as more proof of his hateful exclusionary treatment by his brother. He flat out accused the Royal family of 'neglect' and blamed them for turning him into an alcoholic and drug addict in that documentary and I expect more of same forthcoming in the new book. So I would say turning up loaded at William's door would have definitely been in Hazza's wheelhouse during that period, and there would have been a certain amount of overlap between the Cambridges' stays in London and Harry's post-service time at NottCott.
SwampWoman said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid, I'm wondering how they still have $20 million.
Hikari said…
@Sandie,

Lilli seems to have been silent for her first year and some of her life.

Well, as Hazza said when she was a newborn, to the astonishment of parents of real babies everywhere. "Lili just sat there, very chilled."

Infants sleep a lot but generally make themselves known when they are awake because they need stuff . .Food, comfort, a diaper change.

I submit that a baby who is 'chilled' all the time is:
1. In the refrigerator
2. In a coma
3. Came in a box from the Reborn store
4. Is entirely a figment of Daddy's imagination.

For the sake of argument, if Archie and Lili are both real children of three and one years respectively . . they each have serious and worrisome developmental delays. Given the lifestyles/substance hobbies of both parents it wouldn't be surprising. If they were real.

In my opinion, the California Department of Children's Services has satisfied itself that there are no vulnerable children at that address. Even though KCIII has wished his younger son and the baggage a happy life overseas, if the Royal family knew there were children involved, I think a few high-level discreet calls would have been made to ensure the safety of heirs to the succession of GB who are half-Royal. Or even if there are children involved who were sourced elsewhere, I can't imagine the RF being entirely disinterested as to their welfare.

Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar

I was reading the article about the various Hollywood fortunes before checking the blog. Their £20M is not insignificant but rather paltry compared to other Hollywood names. They're not particularly rich in Hollywood terms.
Sandie said…
https://youtu.be/TSHrjZO141E

New Palace Confidential.

If anyone missed the excerpts published from Valentine Low's book, all the highlights are in this interview.
DesignDoctor said…
@WBBM
Poor little whining, entitled royals. So sad…NOT!
Do you think they realize what foolhardy choices they have made? And how they have burned all their bridges?
Sandie said…
https://64.media.tumblr.com/6b9da0c7443cdada250e61da662c4ff0/ec541d95911055a3-06/s1280x1920/10cde4c483026208f20f61a3ce0e3adc6573c29f.jpg

The rumours of disagreements continues.
Sandie said…
The most influential style based on Google searches:

The top 15

Ariana Grande
Kendall Jenner
Billie Eilish
Kate Middleton
Kim Kardashian
Hailey Bieber
Kylie Jenner
Rihanna
Bella Hadid
Princess Diana
Audrey Hepburn
Selena Gomez
Meghan Markle
Gigi Hadid
Zendaya

Outranked by two women who have been dead for more than 20 years ... but the grifter still made it on the list!
Henrietta said…
MissyPab shared:

interesting:

from CDAN

Many of the charity scenes that were shot prior to the death of the royal, make the royal look bad, so there need to be changes or reshoots with charities here in the US. The consensus right now is there will be two seasons...


I'm not sure what to think about this anymore. Given that SecondhandCoke has said they're on the brink of litigation, I think Netflix may adopt a "full steam ahead" approach: broadcast whichever version it wants irregardless of the Sussexes' concerns over titles and family feelings. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

Sandie said…
From BartJack

Posted moments ago: Montecito CA - a dinner party takes place. TW jokes she's his 'alarm clock'. Laughing she adds 'and I make more $'. Raucous conversation and laughter quickly shift to a new topic but one guest wasn't amused by that tidbit and told us.
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I found this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/y0lprc/from_bartjack/

It is from the TheresaLongoFans twitter account.
Henrietta said…
Thanks for the feedback, WBBM, re Harry and the Waleses' kids. We couldn't have all simultaneously imagined the rumor!
Sandie said…
BarkJack just added that “They had two couples to dinner”

https://mobile.twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1579531022894796800
Hikari said…
As a P.S. to my comment to Sandie earlier re. the viability of the two alleged Sussex children, one of whom is 'hyperactive' and the other, a nearly 18-month old girl who has been entirely silent (and unmoving?) since she was born . .

King Charles is now the legal guardian of all his grandchildren. His ancestor George II had to stipulate this due to having a son and and a daughter-in-law who sound very much like the Harkles--a tempestuous couple whose mode of life rendered them completely unfit in the monarch's opinion to be responsible for minor children in their care. So he took custody of them--literally, and took them into the Palace to raise them. Since then the custody of minor grandchildren has been more of a formality . . a right not exercised except in cases of need. If the parents died, for example, or were unsound in other ways.

Though the RF has not objected publicly to Meg's little photo arrays of various children purported to be hers, the attitude of the RF is extremely hands-off. So much so that to call it 'laissez-faire would be to impart enthusiasm. The Queen mentioned 'the birth of 4 great grandchildren in 2021' . . August, Sienna, Zara's little boy and presumably . . Harry's alleged daughter was in there as well. But HM didn't mention any names and could retain plausible deniability that she'd merely miscounted the number of new great-grands.

Harry's children are never invoked by anyone in the family by name. King Charles did not wish "Harry and Meghan and their children" well in their 'life overseas'--only H and M. I think it's only ever been H&M.

Charles knows that his son is a feckless drug addict who drinks to excess. Even if his wife were a teetotaling former novice in a convent which we know she ain't, Maria cosplay at her wedding notwithstanding, Charles would have a very legitimate concern, and right in these circumstances, to exercise his right of custodial oversight of these kids. The silence about the titles for 'A' and 'L' is deafening.

I think we know that there won't be any titles for children who have yet to be proven to actually exist.
Henrietta said…
Found this on Reddit:

It's a bit like one of her last dinners at her place in Toronto when she was still with the Chef. She told their guests that it was she who invented the pasta dish they were enjoying and raving about. When in fact, the dish in question was the chef's culinary brainwave. That was the end for him, according to gossip at the time. One wonders what else had gone down, but this was apparently the straw that pissed off the chef, permanently.


https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/y0lprc/from_bartjack/irt75jz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


I'm not sure about this Reddit commenter, but I've never read this much detail about this story before.

snarkyatherbest said…
Hikari. wasn’t it KCIII that wished harry and meghan well in their new life overseas. i do t think he mentioned children or family did he? another clue that crafty king

also the new H video has to name the three dogs. most people talk about oh my dogs give me great comfort. pugsy always knows to curl up when i’m down. but to explain about his three dogs and name them just seems weird. like the mrs wants to make sure the point is brought home they have names for each of the three since the naysayers doubted them. always has to answer to something. well answer this mrs. why aren’t you suing Tom Bower or Valentine Low. hmmmm.
SwampWoman said…
Interesting. If there were a leak from the household, I would suspect Meghan. However, I doubt that she cooked the food, served the food, or cleared the table, particularly if it was someone that she wanted to impress.

The only person that it has ever been reported that Harry talks with is Nacho Figueras and his beautiful wife. I can see where that would be a source of irritation to *. How interesting. I shall ponder this as I sip my Cafecito and nibble pastelitos manana*.

* Hahaha, just teasing. There is NO WAY that I would ruin my appetite like that.
Hikari said…
@ Snarky,

Exactly the point I was making—Charles pointedly omitted any mention of children or family in his remarks. He sent his love to H and M and wished those two alone a life pursued overseas.

If there were indeed a little boy and a little girl who he had ever met or seen, or even been presented with official proof of the existence that he might be able to meet them in the future— Such a blatant omission Would be out of character for Charles. We know that he is, at least in royal terms and in comparison to his parents and his sister— An emotional and effusive man. When addressing the nation and some of his first words as King to his people, he referred to “my darling wife.” That was an exceptionally personal remark. For as much as the Queen cherished her Duke, She never would have waxed on about her darling Hubby During a national address. She called him “my rock and my strength and stay all these years”— In the context of her 50th anniversary party speech if I recall. Not a state address. Charles is going to do things differently than Mummy. Seeing the way he lights up around George, Charlotte and Louis, don’t we suppose he would be as happy to be pictured with Archie and a little girl named for the Queen? We’ve seen pictures of William’s children given pride of place in his rooms; I postulate that the King has no pictures of Harry’s children to display.

Charles is not playing and announced that upfront with ‘overseas’. This is why Harry seethed with anger and refused to sing the anthem. It’s going to get worse before it gets better, but Charles hast to hold the line and make it plain that it doesn’t matter what the Harkles do—He shall not be moved.
Petunia said…
How sad that there are only three women of any substance on that list: Kate, Diana, and Audrey. That the others are considered role models in any way, by anybody, speaks to the state of society today.
lizzie said…
@Hikari,

I knew W&K did a pricey reno on the KP apt early on. The Palace defended the costs to taxpayers by saying KP would be their official residence & family home for decades. But so far as actually living there?

They always referred to Norfolk as home once they had kids. When they moved to London in 2017 Will said in an interview they considered having Kate & the kids stay in Norfolk while Will commuted & "came home" for weekends & other times when possible. But they discarded that plan. That to me doesn't say they were living at KP prior to 2017 & just going to Norfolk whenever they could. *Since 2017* that's exactly what they've done though. At least until they moved to Windsor.

There were times when PG & PC were young W&K were in London for events & likely stayed over. I'm not sure the kids & the nanny always came along. PG was in nursery school in Norfolk starting in Jan 2016. Missing nursery school isn't like missing regular school, but having a routine is good. So I'm not sure the kids were at KP every time W&K were.

I also know H talked about alcohol abuse. (The timeline of abuse & therapy varies depending on the conversation though.) And I know H wasn't a stellar soldier. But he probably had to appear for stuff like training at times other than when he was deployed. So I'm not sure his military involvement those yrs took only the few weeks you listed even if W&K and the kids were in London more often than it seemed.

Could the story be true? Sure. Do we have a named source for the story? Nope. Do some alcoholics behave that way & scare kids? Of course but that doesn't make that particular story true. So I remain unconvinced based on the evidence we do have.

I'm not sure I fully believe Will's story about the engagement/marriage stopping H from raiding the frig for Kate's baked chicken either. We now know things were extremely strained between W&H after he met MM. So I doubt H was wandering in to raid the KP frig a few months prior to the Nov 2017 engagement announcement. (Don't doors at KP lock?) I also doubt Kate was cooking chicken or anything else then. She had HG & that surely cut down on her kitchen time. But the "good natured ribbing" to reporters about Harry from Will made everything sound just fine between the brothers. And I suspect that's why Will said it. Doesn't mean it was factually accurate. (And if H was "banned" as the other story says, how did he manage to make off with baked chickens so often?)
Maneki Neko said…
@Henrietta

I do remember the rumour that * cooked some pasta dish (with courgettes (zucchini), I think) and passed it off as her own recipe when in fact it was Cory's. I've just googled it and you can find the recipe. I also remember that she cooked the courgettes to death. The Express, among other sites,gives the recipe but also writes this:

But Meghan said she found a healthy way to make a "filthy, sexy" pasta dish, by slow-cooking courgette for four to five hours, and not using butter which is high in cholesterol.

How a pasta dish can be "filthy, sexy" is a wonder. Only our Meg could sex up a boring bland pasta dish. Maybe she serves it with a dash or magical boobs on show and a butt wiggle?
Sandie said…
@lizzie
The 'renovation' of the apartment at Kensington Palace for the then Cambridges was less than half what was spent on Frogmore Cottage (even though it was done years before). Most of the cost was for the removal of asbestos, which had to be done and would have been done no matter what the apartment was used for.

Admittedly Frogmore Cottage required far more extensive work, but the Sussex have hardly ever used it. Certainly since George started school, the Cambridges have been based in London.

Frogmore Cottage is not being used, although I presume the duo have paid for a lease, although I do not think it is a long-term lease like Andrew and Edward have.

The Cambridges still need a base in London (the Queen kept a fully staffed Buckingham Palace even though she did not live there for more than three years before her death). But I wonder if it is practical to have their office in London when they are based in Windsor. William used to go into the offices at KP every day.

With so many properties and not enough Royals who can afford to lease these expensive properties, there does seem to be a problem. The Cambridges actually occupy two large apartments at KP. Those two and Frogmore Cottage are perhaps too big to use as grace and favour homes (for staff).

Although, Anne and Edward have offices in BP (and I think apartments in St James Palace that they use when they are in town). Anne lives in Gloucester and Edward in Windsor. The Cambridges ready have a model they can follow. For now, William and Catherine live in Adelaide Cottage in Windsor, use the Castle for receptions, and have their offices and their place to stay in town at KP.
Sandie said…
I do believe both children exist and are the children we have seen in photographs, but I still find the following from an Anon very funny:

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It should be easy for Lily to find her voice. Most dolls when turned over or have their chests squeezed will say "Mama".
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To put it simply, the parents want the titles and all the privileges that they imagine they are entitled to for being in the line of succession, but the children may as well be dolls as far as the public is concerned. (The update from the Prince about the children sounded odd to me in one respect: Lilly is 'finding her voice'. Who speaks like that? TBW. Who speaks like that about a toddler? No one. Those kids certainly do not appear real to them but seem to be props that they use for their own agenda.
@Maneki

Describing food as `filthy ,sexy' makes me fell queasy - as if it's her versions of `avocado toast' and `roast chicken'.

Sandie said…
PS
It is actually quite normal for a baby to start talking between about 12 and 18 months and that is how most parents would describe it. Did she not cry or gurgle before that and are the parents too stupid to understand that those sounds are the baby's 'voice'?

Apologies for going on about this but the duo really annoy me with their empty pretentious grandiosity.
Wealthy people often have a flat in London, used as a pied à terre; if working `in town' they may stay there 5 nights a week but what they think of as `Home' is a substantial house in the country, more than a daily commute away.

Might this explain the perceived problem of where Harry scared the children?
lizzie said…
@Hikari,

You could be right but I'd personally be surprised if Child Protective Services in CA has investigated Archie & Lili's care.

In CA child abuse is when a child is
--physically injured by other than accidental means
--subjected to willful cruelty or unjustifiable punishment
--abused or exploited sexually
--neglected by a parent or caretaker who fails to provide adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care or supervision

Given what we know, the only possible criterion met IMO is cruelty. But the cruel things we've talked about like depriving the kids of their UK family connections won't mean beans to social services. Even leaving kids with a nanny for a few weeks to go abroad won't matter if the nanny is competent.

Suspected parental narcissism doesn't mean automatic abuse in the eyes of the law. Abuse/neglect resulting in death is too often missed (everywhere) given the notoriously high case loads at social services. I truly can't imagine that high profile parents who employ nannies, live in a mansion, have attorneys on speed-dial, & seem to have lots of money ever get investigated *without reports of serious abuse by a credible eyewitness.* It's just not going to happen just as there's close to a zero chance either Harry or Meghan could ever be involuntarily committed unless ALOT changes. And as much as I'd like a definitive answer, I don't think Child Protective Services or LE would look for proof of existence of kids unless: the kids are old enough to be in school but aren't, the kids have been reported missing by credible family/friends, or the parents are claiming some sort of government benefits for wholly unseen kids.

I'd also be quite shocked if the RF triggered a check by making calls. My feeling is the RF hopes for the best for them but has NO attachment to those kids. The idea from the 1700s that the king has custody of his grandchildren is also unlikely to hold up in a modern court even if Charles wanted to pursue that approach (while simultaneously distancing himself by not giving them titles?)

http://www.alternativefamilylaw.co.uk/blog/will-harry-and-meghan-have-custody-of-their-own-children/

I doubt Charles wants to pursue custody-- he has enough on his plate without getting into a brawl over kids living in America. It's interesting the idea the monarch has such rights appears to have been dredged up by an American journalist per the above source. Certainly that (archaic) idea doesn't really mesh with UK laws passed in the last century like the Children Act of 1989 nor is the idea consistent with provisions in international law.
OKay said…
@Petunia Arguably, Billie Eilish, Rihanna, Selena Gomez and Zendaya are all talented young women who have forged their own paths in life, and made their careers over time and with a lot of hard work. I think they deserve to be on that list. As to the others, well...they're all very pretty.
Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/y15z3o/archetypes_podcast_episode_5_discussion_post_with/

Discussion of her latest podcast her.
Sandie said…
https://archive.ph/2022.10.11-113848/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11302521/Meghan-Markle-launches-episodes-Archetypes-podcast.html

I found this interesting: "In the podcast introduction, Meghan, 41, describes how she herself has been called 'crazy' and 'hysterical'"

No, the tabloids and mainstream media have not ever called her crazy and hysterical, nor have the books written about her. This opinion has been shared on social media though. My immediate question when I saw this was: 'So, you did act crazy and were hysterical? In all the revelations, no one has blown the whistle on this. So, your behaviour was far more extreme than we have been told?'

She has perhaps gone a step too far this time: in taking a quote from Jordan Petersen and using it out of context. The man is a very articulate genius and if he gets her in his sights, he will annihilate her.
Humor Me said…
I find it interesting that H could find a therapist for his wife when she was at her low point of "Craziness" but when * was suicidal, he could do nothing.
Insert eye roll here.
Maneki Neko said…
Further to @Sandie's post:

Meghan Markle says she's been labelled 'crazy' and 'hysterical' as she lashes out at Hollywood female stereotypes and reveals Harry found her help when she was 'at her worst point'

Meghan describes how she herself has been called 'crazy' and 'hysterical', before revealing the moment that - at her 'worst point' - Prince Harry found her a referral to a therapist. She says the anecdote shows the need to 'be really honest about what it is that you need and to not be afraid to make peace with that to ask for it'.

The 41-year-old also speaks about feeling 'lonely' and 'like I didn't fit in' at school, before describing how - as an adult - she often wants to 'feel so deeply it's like an Adele album' but believes she has been conditioned not to show intense emotion in public.


This is the first time I've heard that she needed a therapist - after what the nasty BRF did to her, no doubt - and that H had 'found her a referral'. Nutties, get your violins out for the perpetually downtrodden victim.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11302521/Meghan-Markle-launches-episodes-Archetypes-podcast.html
snarkyatherbest said…
Sandie. a lot of woke people like to go after jordan peterson. she’s not original in that. it is curious how her podcast is all about her and her answering her critiques albeit vaguely (come on man go after specifics. we can’t wait to hear about the brf). and harry got her a referral to a therapist is that like a coupon good for one visit. you give a friend the name of someone a doctor gives a referral. a spouse calls the therapist directly makes contact about what’s going on and then gets the spouse in for treatment as in sets up the zoom or drives them to the appointment. especially one who is “suicidal”) and for those that cry hippa. first contact before patient comes in is ok. thereafter the patient can decide how much is shared with another party/spouse. sadly a friend has a lot of mental health issues. have had to help her husband and her deal with some of the more spectacular moments. real mental
health issues is exhausting for everyone and anyone near.

and what about constance wu. she is peddling a book and she does describe in detail her suicide attempt. don’t know her if she’s real or another “amber heard” type. but if real what an insult with vague meg talking about her “issues”.
* doesn't specify who calls her crazy - just implies that it males. I bet just as many women call her crAzy,hysterical, off her trolley, ought to be sectioned...

I certainly do.
snarkyatherbest said…
it is fascinating.

“i was suicidal”. rest of the world. your husband worked with mental health professionals and now represents BetterUp. New Line: he gave me a referral

we had two kids and a a few dogs. harry make sure you mention each by name so everyone knows we have two kids and a dog.

this latest podcast is her defense of her attitude toward staff. but it also could set up don’t believe everything you hear about my past later on.

constantly has to explain things when people point out inconsistencies. it is fun to watch her have to take on her detractors on everything. she really doesn’t let anything go


Hikari said…
lizzie,

I doubt Charles wants to pursue custody-- he has enough on his plate without getting into a brawl over kids living in America.

Oh, I doubt it also. Particularly if these are figment children we are talking about. The point I was making is that if there were real and present concerns that two children in the care of two visibly strung-out drug users/heavy drinkers who are constantly gallivanting around the globe, and who have never been publicly seen doing wholesome kid things were in danger due to parental unfitness, Charles would have that avenue open to him. If he were genuinely worried. Since he wished Harry and wife (only) a great life overseas, that particular worry does not seem to be occupying his mind. He may worry that any day could be the day that he gets a call that his younger son has finally OD'd. I think the whole family is quite resigned that things are ultimately not going to end well for Harry.
But Meghan said she found a healthy way to make a "filthy, sexy" pasta dish, by slow-cooking courgette for four to five hours, and not using butter which is high in cholesterol.

Apologies to Corey Vitiello but that sounds like a pasta dish invented by an Italian chef in the the town of Nerano on the Amalfi coast. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+sorrento+peninsula+on+the+amalfi+coaxt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
OCGal said…
Stupendous short re-mix (1.34 min) of Oprah interview with H & M posted by a genius on subReddit. Enjoy!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/y16zds/found_this_gem_online_if_only_the_real_interview/
Sandie said…
https://youtu.be/ivhKThgjxsU

TBLG now simply reads what he finds in the tabloids and social media, but there is an interesting bit at the beginning of the video. To me, it looks as if he (the hapless prince) is actually looking at someone rather than the body language interpretation (of making something up rather than recalling something). They do share that gutted library as an office so I think she could have been there.
Sandie said…
Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but is it appropriate to show intense emotion in public, unless you are 'performing to a crowd' in some way? Surely any grown up would realize that not everyone in a crowd would respond the same way, for example, if someone burst into tears (e.g. during a public engagement)? And would not a grown up realize that you cannot control everyone and so if you are going to burst into tears, it is better to do so among people you trust?

Sure, there may be situations when you cannot control an outburst and it is difficult/hurtful when people are nasty about that. I think the problem is if the person has no one who can respond in a sympathetic and caring way, because the person is then alone without any emotional support. I suppose that is a real problem and that is why the Prince and Princess of Wales still speak about mental health.

I just think the duchess of Montecito has misunderstood the actual problem, perhaps because she has never actually had mental health issues.
Humor Me said…
Regarding the discussion earlier on Child Protectio Services and the Harkle children:
I worked in School settings and have reported suspected (and obvious) abuse to the local Dept Family Services; the 6/5s do not meet the qualifications as a "Child(ren) in Need os Services" based on what we have witnessed in the print media. They are fed, clothed, have a nanny (or two) plus a grandmother in tow. The boy attends a preschool (who is also able to report). The children when photographed do not appear to want to be any where else - they look happy. Trust me on this one - I would be shocked if alledged abuse was reported. I am not defending the Harkles.
CPS is overloaded everywhere.They are trying - really trying to investigate all cases. I am also not defending CPS- I have argued with case workers. I am just trying to tell it like I have seen it.
Girl with a Hat said…
Lady c says that Harry’s wife has written a letter to William and Katherine that when they go to Boston, they are to come to California so they can work things out between them
Maneki Neko said…
King Charles III's coronation is to be held on Saturday 6 May at Westminster Abbey, Buckingham Palace has announced. (BBC news)
Sandie said…
There is no working things out with that duo. There is simply being manipulated and used and giving them what they want. What they want now is some royal stardust to boost their importance. I hope the Prince and Princess of Wales say no (besides California is a long way from Boston and the royal couple are busy).
Karla said…
Podcast 5- MM
Well my thoughts again.
We have here, perhaps, a probable future defense of the allegations of bullying against MM. Your defense, I was not okay. I was suicidal, I warned the palace, the HR staff that I needed help with my emotional issues that caused me to have such attitudes. I was a victim too!
...
Meghan ( a narcissist/histrionic) lies as easily as the rest of us convert oxygen to carbon dioxide.
snarkyatherbest said…
I can see the PR headlines now.

king Charles coronation is a sweet homage to his grandson Archie

yep archie’s bday is coronation day

reconciliation pr coming in 5, 4, 3…..

guess they can’t come. archie and the chickens are celebrating. his birthday at hope (we can find some cash) ranch. grandma oprah will be making a cake.
Hikari said…
GWAH,

Lady c says that Harry’s wife has written a letter to William and Katherine that when they go to Boston, they are to come to California so they can work things out between them.

Did she now? Yes, Harry's wife is aces at summoning people via letter (in her 'calligraphy'!) to Her Presence, isn't she? . . even when said people are astronomically above her in the social order. Next we'll be hearing how she sent a telegram demanding that Barack and Michelle come to Malibu or wherever she's currently squatting in order to endorse her run for President.

Boston to Santa Barbara is a long-ass way, even if the Harkles were people the Waleses fervently wanted to see. If the couples 'can't work it out' when they are both in Windsor, 400 yards or so away from each other, I don't foresee this transcontinental summit happening.

What an imperious deluded twunt she is. There's only one way to work it out to her and Harry's satisfaction--Harry be proclaimed co-King-in-Waiting and have all his shiny medals reinstated. These are not in William's gift to grant. They are spinning their wheels desperate for any attention.

In other news, KCIII has played a blinder on the 'speculation' about his coronation: BP has confirmed the date as May 6th.
Karla said…
The Coronation of His Majesty The King will take place on Saturday 6 May 2023 at Westminster Abbey.

The Ceremony will see His Majesty King Charles III crowned alongside The Queen Consort.

https://www.royal.uk/coronation-his-majesty-king
....

OMG! Date Archie's fourth birthday (May 6th)
Ziggy said…
'Raise your hand if you've ever been called crazy or hysterical, or what about nuts? Insane out of your mind, completely irrational, okay? You get the point,' she says.

Can't say that's ever been a problem for me during my 40 years on this earth, LOL. If everyone is calling you crazy perhaps you should look inside yourself?
SwampWoman said…
Sandie said:

I just think the duchess of Montecito has misunderstood the actual problem, perhaps because she has never actually had mental health issues.


I can guarantee that she's caused plenty of mental health issues! She should get an award from California psychologists and psychiatrists for the increased cash flow that they're receiving.
SwampWoman said…
Girl with a Hat said...
Lady c says that Harry’s wife has written a letter to William and Katherine that when they go to Boston, they are to come to California so they can work things out between them


Somebody is desperate for pics and publicity (and money, who knew you were actually expected to work for that?), and it isn't the P & PoW.
snarkyatherbest said…
uh oh another faux philanthropy honor (btw the kennedy kids are close to oprah). it’s December 6. when is earth shot. for gosh sakes william and catherine skeddadle outnof town as fast as you can. security will have to be doubled for this
abbyh said…
I don't remember any claims of crazy, etc by MSM - just SM and even that took a while. If you don't cite MSM examples, then did it really happen or is it a new shaming version of When did you stop beating your wife?


Wow. If you have a year long (public) plan to make reconciliation happen that it would be in form to summon people to work out some sort of agreement - the come to us as a first step. Maybe it was not quite phrased like that but ...

I think, in terms of negotiations, if you want something to happen, you take a lot of steps on your side to make it easy for the other side to step in sync, agree and then work out details - even if you are the more powerful of the two sides. Dictators may get their way but compliance of it can often be very difficult to maintain just by force.

OTOH, if you are really pushing a look of just appearances of reconciliation so you can go on about how you really tried but they failed to cooperate - then your behavior doesn't matter much.

I doubt that the schedule permits a side trip.

snarkyatherbest said…
past award winners of “ripple of hope” award

Previous winners of the Ripple of Hope Award include Stacey Abrams, former Vice President Joe Biden, Bono, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former President Bill Clinton, George Clooney, Tim Cook, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Amanda Gorman, Vice President Kamala Harris, Dolores Huerta, Colin Kaepernick, late Congressman John Lewis, former President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Desmond Tutu.

a mixed bag of mostly liberals. how much did this cost them.
SwampWoman said…
Ziggy said...
'Raise your hand if you've ever been called crazy or hysterical, or what about nuts? Insane out of your mind, completely irrational, okay? You get the point,' she says.

Can't say that's ever been a problem for me during my 40 years on this earth, LOL. If everyone is calling you crazy perhaps you should look inside yourself?


I've been called a "brass-balled bitch" more than once (grin). I look at him, tell him "Nomenclature. Brass-OVARIED bitch, and don't forget it!"

If she's going to whine about people saying mean things, she's not capable of adulting (and she's probably not functioning at an adult level). That is probably why she calls people mean things because she seemingly functions at an emo 14-year-old level.
snarkyatherbest said…
serious pissed on this one. the RJKennedy Foundation has some prestige and some heavy hitters associated with it (oh including alec and hilarious baldwin but i digress). to be honored with Brian Moyinhan (CEO of BankAmerica) and Ukrainian President Zelensky is just crazy. serious what have they ever really done. a life time of service for social justice? just nuts.
SwampWoman said…
Maybe she should read "The Art of the Deal". Again, she doesn't want to make any deals, just give the appearance so that she can claim to be the Saint of Perpetual Victimhood.
Maneki Neko said…
Oh gosh, how could I not realise that the coronation is on the same day as Archie's birthday?!

As @snarkyatherbest said, wait for the PR headlines. Maybe the 5s will want to attend and bring A so that he can have a memorable birthday with the King. They could have a joint celebration...
------------------
Re * writing to William and Catherine asking them or probably summoning them to her august presence sounds rather arrogant. I'm sure they have a tight schedule and would need extra days built into their US trip. This is assuming that W&C would be amenable to the idea. I just can't see William wanting to be in the same room as * (and probably H), unless he had to (funerals). She is also arrogant enough to think they can trash things out just like that. If W&C have any sense, the letter will end up/has ended up in the bin.
Maneki Neko said…
@SwampWoman

Well done for being called 'a "brass-balled bitch" more than once'. Good on you for being feisty.

Incidentally, if * is so fragile, she'll never survive a presidential campaign (if she still harbours political ambitions) and the press delving into everything she does.
Sandie said…
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/statement-from-j-k-rowling-regarding-the-robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-ripple-of-hope-award/

J K Rowling got a Ripple of Hope award last year, but has returned it because the Kennedys associated with the award have criticized her for speaking out about women's rights being eroded.

It is an interesting statement to read.

There is no date for the Earthshot Prize yet. It will be in early December in Boston.

The Kennedy awards are in New York on 6 December.
Sandie said…
I think they will be at the coronation, and they will push for a photograph of the king with all his grandchildren, in Buckingham Palace. More than one photo because those photos will be very valuable for their brand.

@SwampWoman
So much of her behaviour can be explained if you look at her as someone who got stuck in her teens.

I think the two awards ceremonies will not overlap but the duo will get a lot of media coverage by spreading rumours about a non-existant reconciliation meeting.
Rebecca said…
Was the scheduling of the coronation on Archie’s birthday deliberate? I can not see it being the equivalent of a billet doux to the Sussex family—it would certainly overshadow the celebration of the tyke’s entry into the world, wouldn’t it? And bury any photos and schmaltzy verbiage released by his parents in the back pages of the tabloids? Or would Twit and Twat insist on their son
being sat next to grandpa in his own miniature throne during the ceremony?
Rebecca said…
The RFK Ripple of Hope Award is as meaningless as the JFK Profile in Courage Award—probably more so, because the RoH invariably goes to liberals whereas the PiC has in the past been bestowed on a few so-called conservatives, at least (like President Gerald Ford). How Twit and Twat managed to inveigle their way into the dark, corrupt heart of the Kennedy family is a mystery. Not.

As the date for the Earthshot Prize hasn’t been set you’d hope that it would precede the former, right?
Ziggy said…
@SwampWoman
Love that- I'd take brass-balled bitch as a compliment any day!
Girl with a Hat said…
Lady c says that the harkles have asked for money in lieu of titles for the kids. 😂

Karla said…
The Coronation of His Majesty The King

Will Balcony be restricted to working royals only come coronation? Who gets to wear tiaras & coronets? Who gets prime seats? So many questions. I can’t wait for the answers
...

The Ceremony will see His Majesty King Charles III crowned alongside The Queen Consort.

Oh well Harry always said he never wanted to see Camilla crowned Queen. They can stay at home and celebrate the birthday instead.
...
God bless the King and New Queen!
I'm used to being called `mad', stupid' and ignorant, usually by rude mechanicals when arguing about why a boiler or moped or some other piece of technology is u/s.

So far, they've had to eat their words and admit I was right in saying the valves were installed wrongly or the magneto's packed up or whatever.

Brass balled? I'll answer to that.
We shall be told that a reconciliation meeting was scheduled to happen in CA but the Waleses reneged on it. What authority does * think she has is able to tell the Prince of Wales what to do?
abbyh said…
GWAH

Well, if there really are real kids of theirs AND KCIII (or anyone in the family) wants to give the kids some real money - I nominate Lord Geidt to be a prudent custodian of it.
Is there a prize for egregious chutzpah? * would certainly qualify.
Hikari said…
Was the scheduling of the coronation on Archie’s birthday deliberate? I can not see it being the equivalent of a billet doux to the Sussex family—it would certainly overshadow the celebration of the tyke’s entry into the world, wouldn’t it? And bury any photos and schmaltzy verbiage released by his parents in the back pages of the tabloids? Or would Twit and Twat insist on their son being sat next to grandpa in his own miniature throne during the ceremony?

While the Sussexes have been known to be incredibly petty/fantastical about birthdays, I can't see King Charles putting *that* much mental effort into purposely dissing the Twunts' (possible) figment child. I think it was actually a coincidence. May is the first month during which the weather is deemed reliable enough (hence ER's April birthday being officially celebrated during June) . . and the 6th is the first Saturday of the month. I can understand Charles not wanting to seem to tread on ER's coronation day, even by way of remembrance, and if he is to be his own man and his own King, he wants a date not associated with her perhaps. Also at the age of 74 years, sooner the better, I'm sure he is thinking. June is already a jam-packed month with standing Royal events.

The fact that a coronation will overshadow some photoshop project emanating from California is a bonus. The child, if he exists, will be four. It's not like the world has to come to a screeching halt to observe a four-year-old's birthday.

If she proposes to bring the kids to the coronation to have them pose with Grandpa . .I dare her.
xxxxx said…
It's a hoot seeing the scroungers scrambling after the death of The Queen. Scrambling to revise books, podcasts etc.
DesignDoctor said…
@Rebecca
I threw up in my mouth a little reading your last sentence!!!!!

Surely PPOW will not have time in their schedule for a trans-continental journey to CA. Don’t do it! You know it will be a sh@tshow. I cannot imagine having to socialize with those two after all they have done!
Rebecca said…
@Hikari

I imagine you’re right. The date of the coronation was likely picked without a thought given to the phantom great-grandson.

This will sound as nuts as * but you’d think MI6 would be able to get ahold of a leaked copy of Twit’s book in advance of its publication. Manuscripts are leaked quite often prior to being published—one each of the Harry Potter, Twilight, and City of Bones series, for example. C’mon, British secret service, get to work.
Karla said…
Hikari👏

"If she proposes to bring the kids to the coronation to have them pose with Grandpa . .I dare her." 👏👏👏
...

It's probably not intentional on Charles' part, but it makes me laugh that he announced this today, overshadowing the MM Podcast. And that an important royal occasion happened this year on Lilibet's birthday, the platinum jubilee that MM thought she was going to overshadow by releasing her daughter's photo. And now another major royal occasion is overshadowing Archie's next year. In short: KCIII is forcing H&M to bring the kids to the UK. It's going to be really weird, them leaving Archie in America on his birthday.
...
'Prince Harry Is Contradicting Himself
An examination of interviews that Harry has given over the years shows inconsistencies and omissions in the story he is now telling the world"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/prince-harry-contradictions
Humor Me said…
Hmmm....makes the mind wonder:
Did C3 set that date as a moratorium for his overseas son to get his life in order and back into the fold?
There is no way in h*ll that C3 set that date as a nod to his overseas grandson.
snarkyatherbest said…
if they are even invited , the harkles “kids” will not be there. too many eyeballs looking at them and not at her. will be like the Jubilee no kids seen out and about in cars, in transit , running scared out of frogmore cottage as the witch chases them. but we will have a pick of archie from the back with a crown on in honor of C (that’s what archie likes to call him). it will be sent out to make it in time for US news casts about the coronation. lilly won’t be seen anywhere.
snarkyatherbest said…
Rebecca. perhaps they have it and will have their response when the time is right. make the harkles believe they don’t have it. a sense of confidence in the harkles “plan”
SwampWoman said…

Blogger Rebecca said...
@Hikari

I imagine you’re right. The date of the coronation was likely picked without a thought given to the phantom great-grandson.

This will sound as nuts as * but you’d think MI6 would be able to get ahold of a leaked copy of Twit’s book in advance of its publication. Manuscripts are leaked quite often prior to being published—one each of the Harry Potter, Twilight, and City of Bones series, for example. C’mon, British secret service, get to work.



To be fair, MI6 probably is probably busily trying to ascertain whether nukes are pointed at the UK (grin). I could be wrong about that. They may be looking for people that tweet things that are hurtful to others such as "biological males cannot bear children". Twitter would gleefully tattle on them.

I don't think it would take an intelligence agency, though. I think somebody would leak that tome of My Family Hates Me Part I for an all expenses paid two-week vacation to destination of their choice. The tantrum throwers have probably made a lot of enemies in the publishing field at this point.
Henrietta said…
Guys,

What are the differences between a crown, tiara or coronet? Is coronet just another word for crown? Is a tiara just a small crown?
Ralph L said…
A coronet is a small crown worn by people of lower rank than the sovereign. An English duke's (and maybe lower noble's) typically have strawberry leaf shapes, which are sometimes referred to in literature. Which reminds me of Wodehouse's "don the sponge-bag trousers," meaning getting married.
Hikari said…
https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/may6th.html

Interesting factoids:

May 6 marks the accession day of Charles’ great-grandfather George V upon the death of his father, Edward VII. This can’t be an oversight of the King or the coronation committee.

Also on May 6, 1937, the Hindenburg exploded in New Jersey.
Rebecca said…
I’ve read that Mike Tindall has signed on to be part of the cast of I’m a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, to be filmed in Australia. I wonder if Uncle Charles was consulted? It seems a bit questionable for Tindall to do this so soon after the Queen’s death. Or at all, really.
Seriously now said…


A headline in an article of the Daily Mail -

‘Meghan Markle needs to build a brand that isn’t based on her grievances if she wants to be a global business success, ex Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown Says.’

Fair observation
Enbrethiliel said…
I had to laugh when someone pointed out to me that King Charles's coronation will be on Fauxrchie's supposed birthday.

Like @Hikari, I think it was a hilarious coincidence. The Overseas aren't important enough for either the King or his courtiers to troll them on this level, much less remember them at all.

Having said that, the trolling potential is exquisite. The titles for the "children" aren't settled yet. Does * really want to bring a child actor to the coronation, only for him to be called "Master Archie" while Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis of Wales have their shiny, still-new titles?

Then there's the issue of the monarch having custody of his grandchildren. I keep thinking that it would be such a fair trade, and "on brand" for both of them, if King Charles relinquished custody of his Overseas grandchildren and the Overseas couple themselves gave up all claims to those "antiquated" titles from a "racist" family and country.
Maneki Neko said…
@Henrietta

A crown is bigger than a coronet and is worn by kings/queen's or emperors/empresses.

A coronet differs from other kinds of crowns in that a coronet never has arches, and from a tiara in that a coronet completely encircles the head, while a tiara does not (Wikipedia). A coronet is worn by the lower ranks of nobility. Coronets are also used as a symbol in heraldry.

A tiara, unlike a coronet or a crown, is worn exclusively by women. Traditionally, especially in the RF, only married women wear tiaras, either on their wedding day or afterwards. Tiaras are jewellery and do not symbolise rank.
@henrietta

A crown has arches (the 4 parts that rise at at 90deg points around the circlet, the join in the centre , which bear a cross) Worn by monarchs.

A coronet is a circlet without arches - may bear `strawberry leaves' & fleur de lys (fleurs?).
Worn by aristocracy - eg dukes.

There are also diadems (heavily jewelled circlets, complete circles - as worn by young QEII in portraits on stamps coins. This one was made for Prince Regent - he loved his bling).

Tiaras: worn by ladies at very formal occasions to show married status - bejewelled at front only (what * & Eugenie wore at their weddings, although the Pope's triple crown is sometimes called the `papal tiara).

I hope this clarifies things!
Sandie said…
A coronet is a small crown consisting of ornaments fixed on a metal ring. A coronet differs from other kinds of crowns in that a coronet never has arches, and from a tiara in that a coronet completely encircles the head, while a tiara does not.

Someone has put together an article that shows that the differences are not so clear cut:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-crown-and-a-coronet/answer/Elora-Flynn?ch=15&oid=210914195&share=3228e527&srid=uZiRgb&target_type=answer
Magatha Mistie said…

Recipe

Dirty Mucky Tush*

Take a bunch
of old men with money
Douse, marinate
in noodles of honey
Add a spit roasted spatchcock
deboned chicken
A generous dash of dollar
yuan, yen
Toss in a salad
liberal sprinkling of ism
Rehash, reheat
360, again…

Best served on a bed of
dry humped oafs 😉

*sexy filthy mush
madam’s signature pasta dish


May 6th is a good date for several reasons -

- Mon 8th is a Bank Holiday anyway, even if we don't get 2 days extra Bank Holiday as we did in 1953. (That was the Tuesday for the Coronation Day itself, with the focus on London, and the Wednesday for street parties, even an ox-roast with firework display in out village. Also, it gave a day to clear up in London without the traffic.) We have a plethora od Bank

- It may have a good weather record (May 1st is often lousy weather - May Day celebrations in the past happened 11 days later (before the calendar changed in 1752).

- Geo V became king - he was noted for being a bit of a martinet towards his sons - hence Bertie (GEo VI)'s nervousness and speech problems?

- I'm sure they're aware that it's A's birthday and therefore it offers a good chance of putting the Harkles in a bind. Think about it...
Magatha Mistie said…

@Karla@Observant One
@BrassBallsSwampie
Cheers-getting harder
So bored by them 🥰

@WildBoar
Her prize for egregious chutzpah
was Henry the Numpt.
Annulment?
Anne of Cleves, Meg of Weaves😉

Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11306597/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-honoured-Robert-F-Kennedy-Ripple-Hope-Awards.html

Here are some differences between the couples:
* One goes around the world collecting awards for themselves, without any actual achievements to justify the awards.
* The other gives awards to people who have actually achieved something. The only awards they accept for themselves are those earned in competitive sports (sailing, polo, etc.) when they are known to be highly competitive.
* The one has a 'charitable' organization that receives income almost soley from the SS, who are rather vile. That income is rather small. They use that income to hand out small 'charitable gifts' like a cup of coffee or packet of crisps and get major press coverage for doing so.
* The other receives income counted in the millions (donations from very rich people who stay quietly in the background), use none of that money for themselves and hand out huge donations to organizations. They also set up research centres and think tanks. The aims are not publicity and PR but to actually make a difference well into the future.

Which couple benefits from rumours of a reconciliation and meeting?
Correction:

The last sentence of my 2nd paragraph above should have read:

`We have a plethora of Bank Holidays in April & May as it is, which I find a wretched nuisance, trying to get anything done where businesses are concerned. At least the old Whit BH (the day after `Whit Sunday' ie Pentecost) was a set time after the Easter BH's in England (Good Friday & Easter Monday), even if it wasn't a fixed date.'
Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha

Thanks for your very own recipe😂

I understand your feelings, the 5s are now very boring. I certainly don't miss them but they were a lot more entertaining when they were in the UK: constant hand clutching/arm gripping, labels on new clothes, numerous breaches of protocol, both hands stuck to tummy/ moonbump, tummy/moonbump changing shapes by the hour etc.



@Magatha - Ta!

Brilliant observation re `Numpt/Numpty'. Were by some ghastly mischance H get the throne, he's not be Henry IX but Henry the Numpty, if not Bad King Henry. Good King Henry, as used by Diana, is also the name of an edible weed, rather like Fat Hen. * may not be Fat Hen, but could she be Little Weed?

Or...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbIpgdjkTUc

BTW I suspect that `numpty' as used in Scotland is derived from 1stWW `Soldiers' French' - `un petit peu', probably accompanied by tapping the temples to denote `a little bit bonkers'.
snarkyatherbest said…
a few more thought on the RFK award.

1). saw somewhere on another blog that the foundation is repped Sunshine Sachs. maybe was a parting gift secured months ago

2) there is a lot of interfamily competition from the already competitive kennedy family. the camelot JFK faction small but meaningful because of legacy as a former president killed in office versus the robert kennedy faction. a bit scrappier. father’s championship of human right and racial justice was strong and genuine on a more family level jackie Kennedy wasn’t very fond of the other siblings (but did have a fondness for rfk) and particularly considered her sister in law ethel a baby making machine among other things. disgraced NY ex governor andrew cuomo’ ex wife is Kerry Kennedy now runs the foundation that was started by ethel. i am sure there is a bit of the “if you can do that we can do one better thing “ happening. kennedy s are considered american royalty with rfk’s family a sort of second son (first son was killed in WWII so jack became number one son and head of family) psychologically a lot to unpack here 😉
Lily722 said…
Brilliant, Magatha!!
DesignDoctor said…
@Magatha
Anne of Cleves, Meg of Weaves
So very clever!
I agree. The antics are so contrived, repetitive, and boring.
Observant One said…
OMG, Magatha! You may be bored of them, but your ‘Recipe’ was one of your best!

I understand being bored of them, though. I find myself becoming increasingly frustrated that they haven’t crashed and burned yet. Unfortunately, * still thinks she’s winning, like Charlie Sheen.
Observant One said…
@Snarky In case others overlooked this golden statement of yours, I am repeating it. Speaking of the coronation, SAHB said, “we will have a pick of archie from the back with a crown on in honor of C (that’s what archie likes to call him)”

@Magatha,

Your recipe sums up Maggot so perfectly! I’m so bored with the pair too, it’s the same old over and over again. I’ve reduced my listening and reading about them to have a break. 🥴

The crash and burn can’t come fast enough…so long overdue, they are beyond ripe for it. 😫🥹
Karla said…
H&M - Charities. Part 1
There is a lot of speculation that H&M (motivated by SS marketing) allegedly receive prizes by donating sums, buying the prizes or using influence peddling under Harry's own name.
Speculations which I share. But on the financial side, where does the #overseasH&M money come from? In a recent article that I read but forgot where, it was claimed that:
a) H&M is still paying the mortgage on their house
b) According to Lady C, they accept to exchange their children's titles for cash
c) their desperation for the RF to pay for their security
Given this situation, I suppose that the multi-million agreements between them: Spotify, Netflix and Random House have some kind of clause that such sums are tied to some kind of delivery, content supply or profits. Something that has not yet been achieved.It
makes no sense to me, if true, that H&M would still have a high mortgage after receiving large sums.
...
Right here, arrived at my speculation - Part 2
( a look at Invictus Games)

"For newly released figures disclose that the Invictus Games Foundation’s income fell last year.

According to the accounts filed at Companies House, income dipped by almost a third, from £1.77 million in 2020 to £1.24 million in 2021.

And that fall came despite the charity receiving 40 per cent of its fee from Netflix for Heart Of Invictus, the Duke of Sussex’s forthcoming documentary about the Invictus Games, which he established in 2014 to help wounded, injured and sick servicemen and women.

‘It’s a very worthy cause, and its income is still impressive, but Invictus could have done better,’ a charity expert claims.

Income at the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s Royal Foundation soared last year.

Recently released figures reported that the foundation, which Harry and Meghan quit in 2019, increased its income by 73 per cent over 2020, to a record £20.4 million last year.

An Invictus Games spokesman declines to say how much it received from Netflix but the fee is part of the £450,000 it declares as ‘sponsorship and programme rights’ in its accounts.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reported to have signed a deal worth as much as £75 million with the U.S. streaming giant in 2020.

The Invictus spokesman says last year’s income is down on 2020 because the charity benefited that year from a transfer of £561,000 after Harry and Meghan left the Royal Foundation.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reported to have signed a deal worth as much as £75 million with the U.S. streaming giant in 2020

The spokesman says last year’s income is down on 2020 because the charity benefited that year from a transfer of £561,000 after Harry and Meghan left the Royal Foundation.

The difference in the income figures is caused by the transfer in 2020 of the Endeavour Fund, which included restricted funds and any grants attached to the Endeavour Fund, from the Royal Foundation across to the Invictus Games Foundation in 2020,’ the spokesman says.

‘So, whilst the actual income remains level across the years from a fundraising perspective, that transfer caused a spike in the 2020 figures.

‘The fundraising income for the charity, in which part of the Netflix fee is included, is consistent across the years.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11174541/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Harry-Meghan-boost-Invictus-Games-coffers.html
...












Karla said…
Part 2
It's impossible not to notice how this institution did a huge job to promote H&M on the recent H&M mini tour in Dusseldorf. We have not seen the presence of any war veteran alongside them, whose institution claims to help. Rather, only H&M. Questions
a) this was a publicity attempt to raise more donations for the institution.
b) Requirement of Netflix that contributed with its share (which is small compared to the amount quoted - £450,000. for an alleged agreement
£75 million)
c) Or are H&M (as patrons) receiving high salaries and other benefits from this institution such as the alleged charges against OYW administrators
...
@Snarky well Said
...
@Magatha

Brilliant as always!
Wow!
Annulment?
Anne of Cleves, Meg of Weaves👏
Hikari said…
I find myself becoming increasingly frustrated that they haven’t crashed and burned yet. Unfortunately, * still thinks she’s winning, like Charlie Sheen.

Recently I've started leaving comments on YouTube on selective channels I follow but I am going to stop doing that. No matter how much I want to comment I'm going to sit on my hands because the numbers of Sussex stans out there sharing Numpty and Humpty's alternative (deluded) reality is gobsmacking. I forget, when I stick to this community or channels like According2Taz and the BLG that sanity is a scarce commodity in this world.

According to one viewer who must have a vision processing disorder, Humpty looks like an absolute dream in Dior and "always knows exactly how to dress her body type." Verbatim. She said: STUNNING!!!! in response to a photo of Humpty in the Nurse Ratched outfit at the Jubilee

Me: Stunning like a refrigerator or a ward sister circa 1978

For that I got labeled a hatemonger. We aren't even allowed to express a negative reaction to Humpty's quizzical fashion parade.

Speaking of the coronation, SAHB said, “we will have a pick of archie from the back with a crown on in honor of C (that’s what archie likes to call him)”

I had Archie's nickname for King Grandpa pegged as "Chuckity-chuck-chuck" . . kind of sounds like a chicken, and we know Archie is aces at chicken husbandry.

********

I mentioned upthread that one of the world events that happened on May 6th was the Hindenburg explosion in 1937.

In 1994, something more positive: the opening of the Channel tunnel ('Chunnel') between the UK and France.
SwampWoman said…
Heh. I'm definitely done with them as well. I'd miss the community if I left, though. Never thought I'd still be here years later after husband asked me why Harry would be marrying some "actress" he'd never heard of, and asked me if I knew anything about it.

Now I must go outside and wait for FedEx. My husband proudly told me that my Christmas present would be arriving today ahead of schedule. He was so proud of himself for getting me something that I wanted this year! He said he'd heard me mention that I was thinking about getting a plasma cutter but was concerned about the price, so he ordered me one. It will be here today, runs off 220, and can cut 1/2" metal stock.

The problem is that he overheard me as I was telling our daughter that I was thinking about getting a VINYL cutter (like a Cricut), but wasn't sure that having more snarky coffee mugs was worth the price. I don't think I can make snarky coffee mugs with a plasma cutter. Now I have to think of what to use it for so that he doesn't feel bad! I have a feeling that I will need a welder, too, to put together the shapes that I cut out of steel plates. (If I mention that, he may get me one for my birthday, so I must not say it out loud.)

Sandie said…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meghan-markle-archetypes-spotify-podcast-opinion-zxpv86wxt

Directors of horror films know that it’s the suspense that gets you, the anticipation that something terrible is about to happen. So it is with the Duchess of Sussex’s podcast. I know it’s going to happen. What I don’t know is quite how grim it will be. This week’s episode is called The Decoding of Crazy, and features an unexpected shout-out to Plato, who had unacceptable views about wombs. Who knew? Ask him, I’m past caring. As well as Plato, there’s also the Asian-American actress Constance Wu, the Bollywood actress Deepika Padukone and a former surgeon-general of California and it is at times, when they’re talking, a genuinely meaty and interesting conversation about mental health. So much so, Meghan prefaces it with a trigger warning. “If you find that this is too heavy for you to carry today,” she says, “it’s OK. Just tune out.” Oh Meghan, I thought, if only my editor would let me. “I’ll still be here next week,” she adds, which is obviously tremendous news and going straight to the top of the gratitude list I won’t write before bed.

On today’s journey we discuss the words used to diminish and belittle women, such as crazy, hysterical, nuts, insane and irrational. Imagine my shock when Meghan says sorrowfully that she, too, has been labelled some of those things. “No way!” I thought. “You felt wronged, Meg? You should have said.” Wu and Padukone speak bravely and honestly about their struggles with mental health. In turn, Meghan shares a story about how, when she was at her lowest point — which I take to mean “living in England” — her husband “finally” managed to find someone she could talk to. We learn that ignoring mental health issues can lead to “families being shattered”, which, to be fair, is something Meghan knows a lot about.

There are interesting discussions about the ways in which women can be stereotyped, but they’re lost somewhere in a Meghan word soup. In the interests of fairness, I should mention that after four weeks of this guff, I sympathise. I only listen to it. She has to think of it, then say it out loud and maybe even know what it means. It must be exhausting. At one point, for example, she mentions how important it is that she “sit in my truth”, which I think means “get out of bed”. Toddler tantrums are held up as an example to us all on the healthy way to deal with emotions, which is a new one on me, and I must remember to tell my nephew how proud I was of him the time he lay full-length and screaming on the floor of Trotters on the Kings Road in Chelsea, beating his little fists against the floor with rage, because he didn’t want to have his hair cut. However, in the spirit of the podcast, I invite you to rank the following in order of how much they speak to your truth and with particular reference to how dangerous it can be “when a person’s self-awareness is not trusted”.

“Emotional is a great thing.”

“I can’t function today without being present.”

“I want to feel so deeply it’s like an Adele album.”

I was convinced that my personal favourite was going to be: “Some days I have complete clarity and the next day I feel . . . different.”

But then came this, straight into the top slot: “There is a certain stress that comes of not being believed,” as the former actress didn’t say to the High Court judge when she admitted “misremembering” under oath.

Sandie said…
Cont.

There’s the obligatory bash at “mainstream media”, and the stiff upper lip, and a tale of someone sending her a present of homemade essential oils, because of course people in California make their own essential oils, and these particular oils were nestled in a pile of shredded tabloids because that’ll show ’em. We’ll have to ask for answers on a postcard, though, as to who she could mean when she talks of the bravery of people who fail in public but still keep trying, although trying to do what, exactly, is unclear. Sit in their truth, I expect.

We end with a poem about how important it is to breathe, and Meghan reminds us we’re not alone, although as it happens, Meg, I am right now — feel free to pop in. I feel that I, too, must now issue my own trigger warning: this may never end. I can find no hint online as to how many more episodes are still to come. Meghan evidently finds herself fascinating and wise, so maybe it will go on for ever. This is a woman who probably thinks she could give Jesus a run for his money in the Sermon on the Mount. Four episodes in, I’ve waded through the first three stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining) and got stuck on the fourth, depression. I’m peeping through my fingers at what next Tuesday might bring.

“I can’t wait to be with you again next week,” she says in her sign-off. Oh, Meghan. Would that I could say the same.
Sandie said…
For the couple, it is their chance to fully control the narrative – the dream Prince Harry has held since he was an Eton schoolboy plotting to set up his own newspaper full of his own royal facts.

Now, on camera and in print, he is finally in the driving seat for what he hopes will be the final, definitive, canonical version of his own life.

“It’s interesting,” said the Duchess of Sussex recently, in what was for some a mild observation and for others a nuclear-level threat. “I’ve never had to sign anything that restricts me from talking.”

The world is about to find out just what the Sussexes want to say.

https://archive.ph/2abEs#selection-1327.0-1345.66
Sandie said…
I think The Telegraph article has been shared already ... but, I would not believe any of the contradicting opinions shared by various people. As for 'the truth shall set them free' - no, it won't. The only truth that will set them free is the truth that they are a pair of narcissistic, untrustworthy, talentless, not very bright attention seekers.
Hikari said…
From Yahoo comments, where debate is raging hotly about how King Charles is purposely screwing a 4 year old out of his birthday.

This whole wormhole reality with the Sussexes, who continue to have rabid stans no matter what they do makes me doubt my own sanity at times.

Hypocrisy is real. Whenever Harry and Meghan do something on a family member's birthday they are said to be trying to overshadow the person but old Charles and the Firm decided to do not just a little something but a huge event like a coronation on Archie's birthday and it it is said to not be a snub. Of course Charles is trying to overshadow Archie's birthday, it is a deliberate well thought out plan. Charles has always wanted to be a darling in people's eyes. Petty old man. (from a poster calling herself Queen)

As family like you say, the planners should have been sensitive to not overshadow the young child's birthday with the King's coronation. Remember, the date was moved much closer than expected, the question is why to Archie's birthday? Like really? Let's call a spade a spade. Harry should ask his father to move the date so he gets to celebrate both their big days without having to choose which one takes precedence or one raining on the others parade. Why do we want to be pretentious about the obvious awkwardness of sharing the date

Of course it is a snub. As I remember the royals had another event on Lilibet's birthday. Guess they don't want anybody to recognize Harry's children's birthdays. Sorry Charles, I'll be celebrating Archie's birthday, not your coronation.
snarkyatherbest said…
and she got them back by releasing the pics of Lilibucks and Meg’s old nose trying to knock the jubilee off the front pages. trust me she will release something of archie during or at the end of the coronation. and she will prob line the streets with her stans holding calligraphy written signs (she will be a busy one) “titles for the sussex kids”

someone on twitter made a good point. did she highlight certain hollywood shows/movies etc because she lost an audition for a role. the hot chick segment on how i meet your mother was epically funny. (that and the crazy eyes segment. why didn’t she go after that 😉) that show had a lot of bit parts on any given episode. i totally could see her getting her “revenge” on them with her podcasts. but all it did was probably increased eyeballs on How I Met Your Mother and Kill Bill reruns.

as for $ being thrown around. i am pretty sure Netflix was not a$75MM. that large of a content up front payment would likely be disclosed. Bu up to $75mm if x,y z happens is more like it. gotta wonder how she can beat eyeballs on her content now the Jeffery Dahmer is the “hot content” of the day. unless we get hidden nanny cam footage of her ripping harry a new one, she on a rant after seeing Princes of Wales on People magazine cover, her on a bender. that would get a lot of clicks.(and me for one!)

did look a little into the RFK charity. they spend roughly 40% of what they do on expenses. a modest size endowment but if you use a 5% of net assets target they spend more than investments can cover. fundraising is a big component of the operating budge. their website only has annual report through 2018 and charity finder can get you 2019 but may charities use the easing of reporting time tables due to the pandemic to not have reports available 2020 and 2021 (sound familiar). i am on a modest sized charity board. we didn’t skip a beat on reporting during the pandemic. so it wasn’t impossible. and if you have a foundation that hands over to SS all it brings in i’m sure they could have gotten the year end audits and reporting done 😉
Henrietta said…
Thank you, everyone, for the descriptions of crowns, coronets and tiaras. There were discussions on Reddit re what * would be given to wear at the coronation. I assumed she would wear a tiara, but now I'm not so sure. She has no formal role in the ceremony so maybe she won't wear anything at all. Thoughts?
SwampWoman said…
@Hikari, ROFL. I would speculate that normal people do not go around celebrating toddler's birthdays that are not in their immediate circle of family and friends. Do I celebrate the birthdays of whatever amount of progeny the Kardashians have? Not at all. Does anybody know and celebrate the birthdays of the Biden grandkids, including the child of the stripper?

I suspect that the people (or bots) that are celebrating anything to do with Sussexes are paid for their positive comments.
Maneki Neko said…
@Hikari

Thanks for the Yahoo comments.
As if a 4 year Old's birthday had precedence over a king's coronation... Was Charles supposed to take that into account with his busy schedule, most of it determined months in advance? Move over, Charles, Archie's birthday is more important. The poor child might be scarred for life. They don't half fancy themselves!

Este said…
@Hikari. Okay. Let the record show that King Charles has officially snubbed the Duke and Duchess of Somesh*t by holding Charleses' Really Big Day on Archie's birthday. Well, I guess since the last two snubs they got, first at Jubilee and then at the Queen's Mourning, didn't convey the appropriate gravitas and message (aka persona non grata), well they had to escalate matters here, didn't they. I can just hear Queen Consort Camilla shaking her head in exasperation while sighing, It didn't have to be this way!

I think the Somesh*t Sugars just don't get that we're well beyond snubbing and now at deathcon 3 with our beloved Duke and Duchess of Somesh*t now on celebrity life support! Creditors are beating the doors. Sunshine Sacked them. Mudslide manor's up for sale. And now, Halfwit's so hard up for cash, he doesn't care if the tikes get their titles. Just give Harry the moolah. Personally, I can't imagine what that felt like, Meghan trying to live like a billionaire on a poor millionaire's budget! I guess they are the 21st century embodiment of being house poor. Oh dear, oh dear!
Maneki Neko said…
@Henrietta

There were discussions on Reddit re what * would be given to wear at the coronation. I assumed she would wear a tiara, but now I'm not so sure. She has no formal role in the ceremony so maybe she won't wear anything at all. Thoughts?

A paper bag over her head?

Sandie said…
The SS and other supporters are all howling with outrage because the coronation is on Archie's birthday. What an odd way to look at the 'overlap'. Could a case not be made for a major historic royal event on his birthday would always make his birthday special and guarantee that it would always be rembered? That is his grandfather that will be crowned.
Sandie said…
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/03/flashback-friday-coronation-guests-and.html

A lovely article about the tiaras worn on Coronation Day. How many royal ladies own a tiara and how many will have to borrow from the royal collection?
snarkyatherbest said…
Maneki Neko. Ha!!!

the palace is stocking up in big candles while we speak 😉
Correction:

I miscounted - not having a good day today.

Mon 1st May is the Bank Holiday - what happens about statutory holidays in UK is stil up in the air.
Hikari said…
@Este

My favorite bit of what I posted has got to be this:

Harry should ask his father to move the date so he gets to celebrate both their big days without having to choose which one takes precedence or one raining on the others parade. Why do we want to be pretentious about the obvious awkwardness of sharing the date

At the age of four, one doesn't even know what day it is or when one's birthday is without being told by the parental units. It's hilarious (and scary/sad AF) that we are living in a world where supposedly grown adult persons can equate a preschooler's birthday with a coronation that hasn't happened for nearly a century. Like those two events are so equal in heft and historical importance that forcing his father to choose between celebrating only one of the events is cruel. (Charles's coronation is once in a lifetime; Archie has had three birthdays already and will continue to have them, presuming of course that he is currently a living and breathing child).

Before we get to May 6, a lot of s*** could go down depending on what is in 'the book'/docuseries about their love/potential Oprah interview Pt. 2. How much poo are they going to fling and still expect an invitation to the biggest day of Charles's life? This does present the Sussexes with an ingenious bind: Would Harry really cite 'my kid's fourth birthday' as an excuse to stay away from London, when he's supposedly so keen to reconcile? If they turn up, she no doubt in more fetching Dior-for-Bauxbatons inspired designs, how will they explain the absence of the kids, particularly during Arch's birthday weekend?

I don't think any 4 or 5 year olds are going to be invited to be in the congregation for Grandad's Big Day. Charles was four when his mother was crowned and he looked completely bored out of his little mind . . but he did not make a ruckus, sensing the gravity of the occasion. It was appropriate that he get a taste of his future even at such a young age but that wouldn't apply to other current four year olds in the family.

Though if Arch and Lili are Reborns, they certainly know how to keep vewwy vewwy quiet.
The Royal Ladies at the last bash wore,IIRC, elegant long dresses, ?ivory coloured?, probably encrusted with the odd diamond or two, with tiaras. Whether this will apply this time is anyone's guess.

Personally, I'd put both the Harkles in overalls with broom and shovel, shoving a City of Westminster barrow, clearing up horse dung the moment it's dropped, like there were last time, altho' it's now mechanised I'm sure. Neither to be admitted to the Abbey unless properly dressed according to the code.

If they can't be arsed to dress properly, they can damn' well sleep on the pavement from the evening before, like ordinary folk do.
From the Telegraph

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/king-charles-trim-costume-changes-164134544.html

I should have added in my former post that I'd love it if Numpty still had to pledge his allegiance publicly to the CRIII in the ceremony, along with the other Royal Dukes and Earls, even if all the Life Peers and Hereditary Peers are cut out. After all, in history it was usually the relatives who threatened the monarch's position.

Would the prospect of having to do that prompt them to stay in CA?
Rebecca said…
There’s this in the NY Post too:

Why fans think King Charles dissed Prince Harry, Meghan with coronation date

https://pagesix.com/2022/10/12/fans-think-king-charles-dissed-harry-meghan-with-coronation/
Rebecca said…
Comments taken from the NY Post article:

“So King Charles The Cruel has set his Coronation for the 6th of May next year.. AKA his grandson Prince Archie of Sussex’s 4th birthday,” one of many critics tweeted in response to the news. “Chile how ghetto. I hate it here. Anyway, Harry when’s that memoir dropping 🙃.”

“At first I thought the Coronation date was an oversight; but not anymore!” someone else posted. “The aim is to overwrite any date that relates to the Sussexes with something that relates exclusively to the Crown. That way the 6th May becomes Coronation Day instead of Archies birthday. Not on our watch!”

“Imagine you choose your grandchild’s birthday for your coronation and…. He is trending in your country, NOT YOU 🤭 #Archie 👑,” another dissenter noted, while someone else bluntly tweeted, “So the a–hole scheduled his coronation on his youngest grandson’s birthday?”
SwampWoman said…
Maneki Neko said...
@Henrietta

There were discussions on Reddit re what * would be given to wear at the coronation. I assumed she would wear a tiara, but now I'm not so sure. She has no formal role in the ceremony so maybe she won't wear anything at all. Thoughts?

A paper bag over her head?


I do believe that her wearing nothing at all may finally cause her to get the attention that she craves.
Girl with a Hat said…
Charles should move his coronation for a child's birthday he has seen once.
Girl with a Hat said…
I believe they should create a coronet for the twat with a big old candle holder right in the middle front.
CatEyes said…
"There were discussions on Reddit re what * would be given to wear at the coronation. I assumed she would wear a tiara, but now I'm not so sure. She has no formal role in the ceremony so maybe she won't wear anything at all. Thoughts?"

I'm thinking the duo are going to share a periscope because they will be sitting so far back in the crowd they are in another postal code.
Este said…
@Hikari...See, I think Charles should move the date of his Coronation so Meghan can't break the internet with pictures of Archie's face painting birthday party! Personally, I think it's very brave of King Charles to be so chancey with his luck here.

All kidding aside, The ex-royals are money grubbing hemorrhoids no amount of Preparation H is going to lessen, never mind remove. The Coronation will be, hopefully, the last time they will have to suffer from Hemorrhoids in public. I would love for Charles to tell them to stay home but I just don't see that happening. Harry is his son and excluding might be bad for optics so better to play it safe and invite then contain them like they did magnificently at the Queen's Mourning. It was really an extraordinary feat but they had royal rota in their pocket, which they will also have for Coronation. Oh it's so delish, the Hemorroids believing they didn't need the Firm to exploit them via Netflix like they planned.

As for what outfit worn better by Wallis Mrs Roid will choose, well I just hope she can find something other than a sun hat to match it with and gloves that fit.

In terms of Harry's book, he'd be a fool to blow up his chance to reconcile with the family after Meghan gives him the heave ho. But Harry isn't smart either.

In terms of the Nutflex produced Real Royal Housewife with her indispensible Ginger Hermes Bag puke-a-thon, I guess I believe they blew their wad on Oprah. I think the only chance for Nutflex to recoup at least some of their losses is to Tiger King them. Now that would be something we might tune in for.
SwampWoman said…
If * does show up to the coronation without clothing, are we going to criticize wrinkles or give her a pass?

Karla said…
Coronation of KCIII
Let's wait for the release date of Harry's memoir (the man who lived almost four decades and wants to tell us about the man he became or tell us how a kiss turned a prince into a frog) And we also have their famous documentary their; All for money; a comedy American. No, no! Sorry 😂 It's about a beautiful love story (drama)
My guess: no H&M invites
DesignDoctor said…
Some tea about the event at Buck House the night before the funeral from the Saint MM Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/y0ule9/a_little_bit_of_tea_i_found/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link
Observant One said…
Do any of you recall our discussion before the birth of the alleged child known as LiliBucks? In the spring of 2021, the dates for the Jubilee weekend were announced and we all speculated that the golden egg would arrive on a date that would result in the first birthday being in the middle of the Jubilee.

I think we should pat ourselves on the back for guessing that correctly and take satisfaction in how that worked out. Hopefully, this minor debacle over the coronation date falling on Fauxrchie’s birthday will result in a similar flop for the deranged duo.
Hikari said…
Este,

I didn’t even remember that May 6 was the alleged debut of Humpty’s alleged firstborn until someone pointed it out. That’s how mental space Humpty and Numpty’s alleged children take up in my brain attic.

People really have become so petty that having a major event occurring on the same day as a grandchild’s birthday is considered a major burn? Isn’t it in fact a high honor to share a special day with a major event in world history that concerns your own grandfather? Only five children in the world can claim the King of Great Britain as their grandfather (For the purposes of this sentence I am going with five, although I personally believe that King Charles only has three actual grand children.). Imagine for a moment an alternate reality in which the Sussexes were valued members of the family who hadn’t screwed everyone over to pursue celebrity Mammon. If they had spent The last three years ensconced in Frogmore Cottage, carrying out royal duties, on good terms with everyone, and their children had had regular contact with their Royal cousins and the rest of the family. Would grandpa Charles having scheduled his coronation on Archie’s birthday in that scenario have been viewed as a diss, or as a fantastic opportunity for a family party?

Even if the date had fallen on William’s birthday…or Camilla’s birthday and it was the best possible date— Don’t we think it would’ve gone forward? Birthday is special to the person having a birthday, if they are old enough to be cognizant of what day it is … But out here in the real world most of us adults end up working on our birthdays the majority of the time. If we’re lucky we get a special meal a cake, a few cards in the mail and our friends on Facebook post a message. Is western civilization supposed to grind to a complete halt so that we can all pay obeisance to a four year old’s birthday? He’s four. A visit to McDonald’s Playland is a red letter event when you are 4. The Sussex Stan’s really think it’s reasonable That the constitutional machinery of the United Kingdom wait upon Master Archie’s birthday? He’s not the emperor Napoleon or the Pope. I have never known a contingent of people to be so hung up on birthdays as is Humpty and Numpty.

In my opinion, the timing just happened to be the first available date. As with the Suxxit wedding, the scheduling has an additional bonus of an oblique commentary on this pair of tossers. We might read the selection of this date as Charles’ tacit admission that no real child exists and therefore there is no true conflict. If there IS a child having a birthday, The coronation events will be concluded by early afternoon. Still plenty of birthday left. Exactly how long does she think a birthday party for a four year-old should last? At that age, two hours is more than enough. It’s not like a birthday party for a four year old is an event requiring the entire day like it’s an Indian wedding.
Hikari said…
P.S. @Este

I forgot to mention that your immortal phrase “Money grubbing hemorrhoids” wins Post of the Day! Your prize is lifetime supply of oat milk lattes… And a case of your favorite top shelf booze in order to make that shit palatable. I’m sure oat milk has laxative properties which will keep you nice and regular, here by avoiding hemorrhoids.

We are all going to have to work very hard here to keep each other sane… For the next eight months we are going to have to endure the will they won’t they game?

The thought of Humpty in a tiara makes me want to heave. She’d have to be loaned one from the Royal collection unless she gets busy with the Bedazzler. Even worse than that image is the thought of Numpty in a coronet. I don’t for see Numpty taking
The oath to be his father’s liege man of life and limb against all manner of folks.
He and his wife are the “folks” the King needs protecting from.
Martha said…
Somebody pointed out, on Twitter, and posted a photo of H on A’s 3d birthday…that photo when his belly is exposed in all its glory at the polo, while someone is giving hi. A rub down from behind, Nary a word of his birthday then!
Observant One said…
@Hikari I agree with your assessment that Charles and the courtiers might be sending a warning shot over the bow by selecting May 6th. Anything is possible in this shit show.
Petunia said…
If Twit and Twat had played their cards correctly, and behaved like mature adults, I can imagine KCIII as a loving doting grandfather, saying something after the Coronation like, "And now it's time for another important event today, the celebration of my wonderful grandson's 4th birthday".

The Kennedys really aren't thought pf as American royalty anymore IMO. We've learned too much about how they actually operate...all the way back to Joe Sr. and Honey Fitz.
At best, * might be lent the Queen Mary Bandeau she wore for her wedding (or, more likely, just a paste replica).

Yes, @ Hikari, it's a good bind, isn't it? Challenge them to produce the `children' or be criticized for leaving them at home and not celebrating A's big day with him in CA... After all, there's nothing to stop them letting him smash his face into a b'day cake at Windsor or in London, is there?

@Observant One - Yep! We predicted `Lilibet's EDD with remarkable accuracy. At least she hasn't got time to squeeze in another pregnancy before Coronation Day but I expect she could manage a miscarriage or two. All the stress, doncha know?
Sandie said…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1682057/meghan-markle-prince-harry-archie-lilibet-montecito-hope-ranch-royal-family-latest-dxus

Montecito home is like “Fort Knox”, a local resident has told Express.co.uk, as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are widely reported to be eyeing up a change of scenery. The royals have lived in their $14.5m mansion in the exclusive neighbourhood of Santa Barbara since leaving senior royal duties in early 2020. Montecito florist Lynn, who has spent decades in the sunny California area since moving over from Scotland, recalled the “military” atmosphere she discovered in the security around the house when delivering flowers to the address.

Lynn, speaking next to her floristry shop with employee Marcello Ross, said the delivery was destined for a “Miss M”.

Lynn recounted to Express.co.uk: “So I turned up and said I am here to deliver flowers. And I was told to drive on to the next gate and they were watching me on camera the whole time.”

Mr Ross, 42, then quipped: “It is like Fort Knox up there!”

Lynn described being unable to catch a glimpse of the Duke and Duchess’s home from the front gates, and was confronted by more security.

She commented: “There were guys there who looked like they had just come from the military. They had buzz cuts. They could have been armed.

“So I said I am delivering flowers. And the gate opens. You cannot even see the house, it is so far back.

“And then guys show up. It is like the military!

"They have got the whole thing. It is totally secure.”

She added: “And I like to get out and out the final finishing touches before I deliver them, and I had no idea who it was for. It was addressed to ‘Miss M’.

“All that security, though, it was so stupid! As if I was going to attack the place or blow the place up or something. So stupid!

“But, anyway, I got the flowers out and the guys took them and just buzzed off. But can you imagine living like that?”

Forbes has previously estimated that the Duke and Duchess's security bill could reach between $2 and $3m each year.
from today's DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11307815/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-tied-Netflix-book-deals-says-royal-expert-Tom-Bower.html

As, he puts it, they are 'stuck with the devil'.

Oh dear, dear...
Hikari said…
@Wild Boar

I’d say Humpty was teasing a pregnancy at the recent events in Blighty. So there is time yet to squeeze in another of her 11-month miracle gestations. She may be too “heavily pregnant” to travel to London for another dose of humiliation…or, she’s really got to crank up the drama: shall we start a pool? Humpty will go into labor and “give birth” to another sibling for Arch on his birthday! This one will be a boy because …. Louis. While she’s laboring, she will post something like “Happy 4th birthday to my firstborn little Prince. Mommy loves you!”

She might have to crank it up even higher and produce twins this time. A boy and a girl for 2 pairs. I’ve known a few families that had sibs born several years apart with the same birthday. Humpty could certainly manage it with her magic uterus.
Sandie said…
@Hikari
Brilliant idea for a scenario! The timing is just right for her to get to the fertility clinic and get the business done.

I guessed she would turn up, with the children so that they can all be in the official photos and in the History books. I am pretty sure the husband wants that for his children.

But to achieve that, she has to actually take the children to BP and reveal them to the entire family, and try to manage and control a toddler and a lively son who will be about the same age Louis was when he entertained everyone with his antics at the Jubilee. (For how long will they be at the Palace, and how much could they break?) Perhaps a combination of Doria, the nanny and some pharmaceuticals (for the children) and hiding them in a room and only bringing them out for the photo, would be do-able? Each parent could get a firm grip on a child to ensure they do not try to escape.

Nope, I don't see her pulling off all of the above. Control is essential to her otherwise she goes into meltdown. And, no, she would not let the husband go to the Coronation without her but with the children. The love game may be over, but he and the children are still her possessions.
Este said…
I got no dog in this fight but here's what Barkjack claims. Keep in mind, this is a pretty solid source:

Question to Barkjack: So you must know about the alleged surrogacies then, right? Can you spill about that because that's what we really need to talk about.
Answer from Barkjack: I have talked about it.
#1 Despite choosing delivery team, M supported by Royal Dr at times. Undeniable evidence & procedure show, carried. We have Palace sources.
& Many say that. Our penchant for revealing truth ahead others should lend weight to that statement....Preg #2 is unconfirmed if she used surrogate. We simply do not know. The entire pregnancy was extremely private. It remains unconfirmed.


From Barkjack: This is the concrete info I have. Undeniable evidence showing just this.
Carried #1.
#2 unsure.
snarkyatherbest said…
my guess they will come. she won’t resist. (unless not invited then she will have another suicidal incident or miscarriage). actually if they are not invited the palace should send out a statement when official invites go out that the harkles declined to leave their young family. ha then we won’t have the will she or won’t she appear) if invited they will come with kids in tow but no kids will ever be seen. then misa harriman will release a pic of only archie at his party. likibuck$ will be strangely absent. it will be a blurry pic of the back of his head facing west toward the future megs will have her old nose and harry will be no where to be seen an any pic. so kinda a rinse and repeat.

if they do come. will they be relegated to a watch party at the tower of london 😉. no other royal will want the role of babysitting them because they will want to be at the coronation. they will arrive late. perhaps after charles ? and will be seated behind a pillar or surrounded by ex employees wearing the biggest hats. and instead of a program she will be handed Valentine Low’s book Courtiers (a signed copy)
snarkyatherbest said…
oooh better yet. swap out the controversial diamond from the consorts’s crown and put it on a tiara for the wife. let out a story she had another kerfuffle over the tiaras but won this time. she will then be persona non gratis in India problem solved
Este said…
@Hikari...100 agree the faux outrage of date of Coronation is just Somesh*t Sugar Stirring.

@#DesignDoctor...I saw that alleged tea from reddit too and I'm not buying that any flak came from the royal attendees, other than perhaps South Africa. I surely don't think America cares about the Hemorrhoids but I could be wrong. My 2 cents here...the SomeSh8ts are in full panic mode, they're living far beyond their means to the point Harry is actually in debt. I mean when you think about what he inherited just 2 years ago...and only poor people get hit with spending like drunken sailors on leave and are broke come rent time. They can't afford PR and, like spaghetti, are throwing everything to the wall, in the futile hopes some of it sticks.
DesignDoctor said…
My copy of Courtiers arrived today! Faster delivery than I anticipated.Released in Britain October 6 to in my US mailbox October 13. Thanks Book Depository for great customer service!
DesignDoctor said…
I have two daughters born two years apart on the same day. Less than an hour’s difference in their birth times.
I literally could not believe I was there giving birth again! BTW I do not have a “magic uterus.” Just the regular version! LOL!
SwampWoman said…
Petunia said...
The Kennedys really aren't thought pf as American royalty anymore IMO. We've learned too much about how they actually operate...all the way back to Joe Sr. and Honey Fitz.


A very small portion of the country might have been true believers at one time. Their legacy benefitted greatly from the press (and government) covering their crimes (and I do mean actual crimes) for them.



SwampWoman said…
I'm agnostic that she actually "carried" Archie. The visual evidence was underwhelming to the point of hilarity for women that have been pregnant.


abbyh said…
Inclined to agree with SW about the Kennedys.

The really interesting or cool ones are gone and the rest don't have the same visibility like the parent's generation.


The dinner and were there comments?

I lean towards concerns expressed politely for a lot of reasons including that they did want to know whom they might want to evade besides the real concerns that she might indeed go public on something which may not have been even said - especially with that claim that the invitation was rescinded. I could easily see her cornering Joe Biden asking for some political favor job or public push by him for her to get X or Y launching her political career. He might not specifically think to ask about her but his aids would very likely.

snarkyatherbest said…
i think that perhaps some country representatives were concerned about 1) andrew there (and however andrew is treated so shall the sussexes) 2) recording devices. it would have been a diplomatic nightmare if any of the footage showed up on netflix.
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Hikari said…
Design Doc,

I have two daughters born two years apart on the same day. Less than an hour’s difference in their birth times.
I literally could not believe I was there giving birth again! BTW I do not have a “magic uterus.” Just the regular version! LOL!


That would certainly be handy for a 'one and done' birthday party scenario but how did you handle it? Were the kids cool with sharing their birthday or did you have to arrange two parties on two different days?

Growing up, our next door neighbors were a family that like us had 4 kids who were about the same age as my sisters and I. The oldest boy and the youngest girl were both born on May 4, seven years apart, with 2 in the middle. The mother was a former PE teacher that ran a tight ship and still wore her whistle around her neck to summon her children. I thought it was typical of such a regimented person to be able to seemingly arrange her labors to coincide so neatly.

Re. what Barkjack upthread insists is true--that Humpty *definitely carried* #1 . . I remain agnostic. I've crunched the numbers. Being pregnant for 43 weeks, minimum with no medical intervention at her age would be unheard of, as was the gravity-defying gymnastics Bump performed at various times and the bouncing up and down like a rubber ball in 4 inch stilettos unaided deep into her 8th, 9th month. The way her arms and legs remained stick thin until AFTER the birth. Catherine is incredibly fit and athletic and naturally very slender. She didn't bounce up and down in high heels and she visibly gained weight in her extremities and face in late stages.

Charles didn't reference 'the children', either by name or as a collective in his message about sending his love to Harry and Meghan and wishing them well in their life overseas. Wouldn't he at least have referred to 'their family'? Very very odd.

I believe that Humpty had a natural normal pregnancy the way I believe that Archie's first word at the age of one was 'crocodile' and that he personally requested a waffle maker from Great-Gan Gan.
Hikari said…
@Swampie

We are sharing a mind-meld . . I posted the word 'agnostic' viz 'carried Archie' before I saw yours.

I'm sorry but there's no way Humpty convincingly portrayed a pregnant woman. IF she were truly expecting and the series of moonbumps that swayed and danced was in aid of making her look HUGE . . and then flat again like Alice in Wonderland . . what sane woman wants to look bigger than she is at any time? And who is legitimately expectant for 44 weeks without medical intervention?

No, too many anomalies. Plus Harry himself didn't seem to know if he'd sired offspring or not.
Maneki Neko said…
Royal Family changes website to reflect new titles after the Queen's death - including William and Kate's promotion to the Prince and Princess of Wales (DM headline)

There is a before and after list. The after list doesn't show the 5s, which we knew, but the message has been reiterated.

As they're not working royals, there's no need for them to be on the balcony on the day of the coronation or in any official photos. They can pose for family photos that the public won't see but that's all. So Megs can save a fortune on some ill fitting couture dress and can always by a tiara from Claire's if she likes.
Sandie said…
New Palace Confidential:

https://youtu.be/H4kfdcU4EDI
Sandie said…
A short satire (the woman actually does look a lot like TBW!):

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y_mYx-YSfHs?feature=share
Rebecca said…
Not sure what to make of this from the NY Post:

Harry & Meghan ‘contradict’ their own stories in his tell-all, Netflix docuseries


Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s docu-series will debut on Netflix in early December, multiple sources told Page Six — but there are still lots of conflicts.

Sources said Netflix and the series’ filmmakers were confused by some of the comments that Harry makes in his upcoming book being at odds with what he and his wife said on camera.

“A lot in the show contradicted what Harry has written, so that was an issue,” one industry source revealed.

“Then Harry and Meghan made significant requests [to filmmakers] to walk back content they themselves have provided, for their own project,” the source added.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex wanted to hold the Netflix show until next year as they continue to edit, but, as Page Six previously revealed, Netflix chiefs insisted it stream after the fifth season of “The Crown,” which launches November 5.

Now, multiple sources confirm that Netflix stuck to its guns and the Sussex series — which was the couple’s idea — will debut in early December.

The Sussexes — who have been filming for more than a year with Brooklyn director Liz Garbus — are believed to have talked a lot on camera about the royal family, including Prince William and Kate Middleton, as well as King Charles and Queen Consort Camilla, and reportedly wanted to edit some of it out now.

They have to finish the project very soon as it takes weeks for Netflix to edit and translate for other languages.

“Netflix needs a couple of months to do all of the formatting and dubbing, subtitling and audio — all of that stuff that enables it to launch on the platform,” a Netflix source told Page Six.

Observant One said…
I agree, Maneki. She will wear an unflattering, poorly fitted dress over undergarments that are 2 sizes too small. The Claire’s tiara sounds perfect. She really wouldn’t know the difference. Angela Kelly can make up a good story connecting it to Princess Diana and she will fight all of the women to wear that specific one. She can loosely secure it to one of her ratty wigs that has been “scraped back” (I loathe that expression used by DM writers) into her signature messy bun. If it flops when she walks, I’ll give her bonus points.

@DesignDoctor - My MIL had her oldest child and her youngest on her own birthday. The three of them always celebrated together. The two middle children had different birthdays. Back in the 1970’s I had a book that described how to calculate your fertile months, based on numerology. At the time I thought it might have been ridiculous, but when I hear of women who have children close to or on the same date, I wonder.
BTW BBC TV seems to have a remarkable no.of * lookalike presenters at the moment, all of whom speak with strong Estuary accents...

Could the Palace medics who were supporting her have been mental health specialists?
Lady C said (and I paraphrasing) the Despicable Pair will be invited to the Coronation and she can’t imagine they wouldn’t be . Whether King Charles will have a full ceremony with regalia etc., or whether the men will wear lounge suits is unknown. If it’s full ceremony with regalia then Maggot would be in a full ceremonial dress and tiara, and the peers would wear their coronets, (I’m assuming Mole would be too) and both in Robes of the Peerage. She said we’d have to wait and see what happens.

Personally I don’t want to see a scaled down Coronation as we have and see so few. I can understand King Charles is trying to be seen as more frugal and keeping costs down. I’d rather the former even if it means suffering the presence of the Dual. 😞
Karla said…
REF: *Harry & Meghan ‘contradict’ their own stories in his tell-all, Netflix docuseries*


"Sources said Netflix and the series’ filmmakers were confused by some of the comments that Harry makes in his upcoming book being at odds with what he and his wife said on camera"
...

How does Netflix know what's in Harry's book?! I'm missing something?
Henrietta said…
Blogger SwampWoman said...

If * does show up to the coronation without clothing, are we going to criticize wrinkles or give her a pass?


Ha,ha! My guess is most of the peerage, including all 7 working royals, will show up with the appropriate coronets and tiaras, but that neither Liar nor Friar will wear anything on their heads at all.

I'm sure Liar will wear some awful designer creation, as per usual, and I wouldn't put it past her to try to get Gramps to pay for it.
It is his occasion after all.
Este said…
@RaspberryRuffle...love that handle btw...raspberry is also fave berry...thanks for tea from Lady C. I'm actually glad Megsybaby gets to wear a tiara and get all dolled up!. I say: BRING! IT! She'll be the perfectly tacky foil to the Princess of Wales, who has always outclassed, out-dressed and outranked her. Princess Kate at the Bond premier... Princess Kate making funeral wear icon and grief look glamorous....and all the little meet and greets, looking like a million bucks. Princess Kate is both the super model who has the tall lithe figure making whatever she's wearing look great; combined with the quiet warmth and the natural way she connects with commoners...Well, I pity Mugsy having to compete against THAT. There is, there never has been and there never will be any competition.
Rebecca said…
@Karla
How does Netflix know what's in Harry's book?! I'm missing something?
____

Yes, that’s a head scratcher.
____

If Twit’s book and his and Twat’s Netflix “docuseries” are as bad (critical of the RF) as expected, how on earth could they be invited to the coronation? I don’t believe they would be.
lizzie said…
@Hikari wrote:

"Charles didn't reference 'the children', either by name or as a collective in his message about sending his love to Harry and Meghan and wishing them well in their life overseas. Wouldn't he at least have referred to 'their family'? Very very odd."

I see what you mean. I know others have found it significant the Sussex kids weren't mentioned too. I honestly don't know that it was.

It was his first speech as King & I thought the main purposes were to acknowledge the great grief facing so many, express the family's appreciation for the nation's support, recognize what an extraordinary person the late Queen was, dedicate himself to the service of the nation and the Commonwealth, and do a bit of "housekeeping" re: Will's creation as PoW. Adult stuff. Charles wasn't speaking as a father and grandfather so much but as the Monarch. (If he could have without facing a huge backlash, I personally think he'd have left out mention of Harry and Meghan too.) And after all, he didn't mention George, Charlotte, or Louis either. Even though George will someday be king assuming the Monarchy survives, he and his sibs' just weren't relevant to that speech. And if they weren't, neither were Archie and Lili.
SwampWoman said…
@Hikari, no worries. Agnostic was really the only word I could come up with describing how I felt about the situation. Looks like I'm not the only one standing firm in my doubt.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Karla said...
REF: *Harry & Meghan ‘contradict’ their own stories in his tell-all, Netflix docuseries*


"Sources said Netflix and the series’ filmmakers were confused by some of the comments that Harry makes in his upcoming book being at odds with what he and his wife said on camera"
...

How does Netflix know what's in Harry's book?! I'm missing something?


Interesting. Wonder if BP has a copy yet.
Magatha Mistie said…

Singalong 🎤
Apologies:The Beach Boys
Sloop John B

Sot calling THOT

I came on the stoop Megz E
Fauxarchie and me
Around LA town we did roam
Fighting all night
Got into some shite
Now I feel so woke up
I wanna go home

Roasted for Megz E’s fail
Beyond the pale, stale male
Begged the ships-*hore
to leave me alone
I wanna go home
Get away from this gnome
I know the jokes up
For me and my crone…

Magatha Mistie said…

Cheers Nutties
Glad to be of service 😉

Megadonna

Non ejaculate conception
Miraculous birth ejection
Delivered firm conviction
Their babes are purely fiction…*

*I do believe the babes exist,
not of her body

BTW and just for the record, my Dad `arrived' on the 8th birthday of one of his sisters, who helped bring him up when their mother died. I was christened on the same date 46 years later. No hard feelings.

Whereas the date of my baptism was a matter of conscious choice, in the case of the births it would have been a matter of their father behaving in the same way on about the same day in different years.

Magatha Mistie said…

Null and Dull

I’m hoping for pomp, majesty
At King Charles Crowning
ceremony
Part of the glory
of the Coronation
To witness Drone and Crone
being shown to their station
Wishing for
an over large candle
Better still
medieval scold’s bridle*
Wishful thinking
my imagination
But what a gift
to give to the Nation…

*barbaric metal mask
All tongue in cheek,
pun intended,
I wouldn’t wish this on anyone




@Magatha -

I now have the `Sloop John B' on the brain, just as I did when I was on my post-grad teaching year at a northern university which was a huge disappointment (not the place, which is itself fantastic, just the course & the other students). I and a pal used to sit at the window in the Union, clutching mugs of terrible coffee, staring into the turbid river below and crooning `I wanna go home...' softly to ourselves.

(Having said that, I'm forever glad that I ignored the disapproval of my parents, whose idea of the locality had been formed in the 1930s. It was a very worthwhile experience.)

You've produced a great parody and I more than forgive you for evoking such a miserable memory. Well done you!
Magatha Mistie said…

On my way back to OZ
I got talking to a young
Spanish guy in Abu Dhabi.
When I said I was English
he offered his condolences
for the Queen, a wonderful woman.
On a recent taxi ride, the Somalian
driver said the same.
Today, having a pedicure,
the Asian lady attending me
said the same.
The velvet glove had a long reach!!

Sandie said…
https://www.similarweb.com/website/archewell.com/#overview

Stats for the Archewell website. I think that most of the 'visits' are from media people, checking to see if there is anything new, hence they spend very little time on the website. Germany: that was because of the visit for the Invictus Games. You can see that most of the media interest is in the UK and America.

https://www.similarweb.com/website/royalfoundation.com/#overview

The Royal Foundation also seems popular in Germany so I question my analysis above. Who knew there was such a big interest in royals in Germany!
Hikari said…
@Swamp Woman

Where Humpty and Numpty’s children are concerned—We are 4 years nearly to the day that Humpty announced her blessed event in order to upstage Eugenie’s wedding.

They’d only been married 5 months and she’d not fully revealed her monstrous self but my immediate reaction to hearing that Madam was up the duff already was… “Oh, no.” Not a good sign. For all that I had once envisioned Numpty as a dad back when he seemed to enjoy children and they him…once she was in the picture, I got zero maternal energy from her and thought it likely that they would remain childless like David and Wallis. I was agnostic about a real pregnancy, which still leaves room for doubt until early December when she debuted Square Bump. That’s when I became an atheist.

Re. The significance of May 6th—I was reminded that not only did it mark the accession of Charles’s great-grandfather to the throne, but it was George V who essentially created the House of Windsor. Charles is the fourth sovereign under that mantle. He knows his family history and in that light the choice of this date was not random, nor was it only for expediency nor to troll a 4 year old in California.

I do not suspect Humpty of any knowledge of Windsor family history that predates what is in Andrew Morton’s book on Diana, and Numpty either. But how the ‘coincidences’ do pile up around the Sussexes. There is simply no way it could have been anticipated that May 6 would be invoked again regarding the Crown. May 6, 1960 was Princess Margaret’s wedding day; was it remarked upon at the time that she was trodding on her grandfather’s coronation anniversary? For that matter, Princess Anne wed Mark Phillips on Charles’s 25th birthday. Presumably she didn’t do it to diss her brother but more in the way of a tribute? A November Wednesday isn’t the most appealing of dates otherwise.

Had Charles picked June 3 as was speculated, he’d have been accused of stepping on Lili’s birthday. Where the Harkles are concerned, every situation is a no-win.
Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha

Glad you can still find the inspiration, even though the dastardly duo are pretty uninspiring. Cut them down to size is what I say!😉
It's strange how many world religions use a `sacred language' - to name but a few, Classical Hebrew, Arabic or Sanskrit. They remain vibrant. Yet Western Christianity has insisted on `modernising' to be `relevant', dropping Latin and Tudor English, to no recognisable good effect, IMO.

I don't like the idea of a modern language Coronation. To me, the ancient turn of phrase emphasises historical continuity and the very special nature of the proceedings.

Observant One said…
Magatha - Your talent for creating poetic levity was sorely missed. It feels like our little corner of the universe has also retuned home, now that you’re back. The ‘Sloop John B’ is another home run, as we Yanks like to say. Like WBBM, the song will be stuck on ‘repeat’ in my mind for a day or two. Maybe it will replace ‘Brandy, You’re a Fine Girl’ that I heard at the gym yesterday.


snarkyatherbest said…
Magatha is on fire again. totally appreciate it!!!

love the pr about the wife willing to accept “kate’s” olive branch while in new york. she’s setting up for 1)no meeting the wales are mean and jealous 2) i’m throwing them under the bus for Netflix and making it lol like the wales are beginning for me not to ha 3) william had an affair with rose. is that the PR strategy? i swear it’s not very inventive. curious what what point we will seee the will they or won’t they come to the coronation.

just an observance from over the pond. KCIII looks like he is genuinely interested in the people and places he is visiting now that he is king (not that he didn’t before but i am really noticing it now). he keeps this up and he will help keep the interest and the support of the monarchy alive. have to say so fat he and the queen (consort) seem to be doing just fine in their new roles.
snarkyatherbest said…
Now we have a katie Nicholl saying KCIII is devastated by estrangement from Harry and hopes for a reconciliation.

1) any parent in a similar situation with an estranged child is always hopefully for a change of heart (usually on child’s part) and hope for reconciliation. not a new set of emotions doesn’t mean it will happen.

2) this just reeks of planned pr to pressure the royals into accepting them back. typical harkles. plant things that you want to build pressure to get what you want. but do you get what you want? you were over the garage at the Jubilee and behind a big ole candle at the funeral. no one came to your amphibian house for your “daughter’s” party. dad stopped funding your idiotic lifestyle. has this really worked in the past? maybe you should try some hair shirts and crawl from heathrow to high grove on your knees exposed to public ridicule (hmmm cabbage throwing peasants too ? 😉) to show you are truly repentant and want back in. nah. they are. it ready for that.
Observant One said…
I agree with you, WBBM. I would love to see tradition followed as much as possible and to hear the ancient sacred language used. A new Monarch is a rare occasion for westerners and I think many people will be watching the historic event.
Karla said…
Magatha I love you❤️
Rebeca...
There is rumors that KCIII is waiting for this book and this series to decide whether or not they will be invited. I agree with this theory. If Harry pushes Camilla under a bus, KCIII will never forgive him. I like KCIII (no offense to Diana fans) I like him better than Diana (I consider her narcissistic too).

"Harry and Meghan Won’t Get Coronation Invites if They Slam Royals, Sources Say"

Part Of the text

"King Charles likely won’t invite Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to his coronation if Harry damagingly attacks wife Camilla, the Queen Consort, in his forthcoming book, a friend of the new queen has told The Daily Beast.
Almost everything Charles has done over the past twenty years has, in one way or another, been about getting Camilla accepted by the public,” the friend said, “He loves her. He is incredibly protective of her and he couldn’t do it without her. Even the queen finally accepted that. It is one thing for Harry to attack Charles, he can take it on the chin, but if Harry forces him to choose, by laying into Camilla in his book, I have no doubt he will choose Camilla.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-wont-get-coronation-invites-if-they-slam-royals-sources-say
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Swampwoman

"Interesting. Wonder if BP has a copy yet"

I hadn't thought of that, but after reading your comment, I've come to believe that this might be possible. The new season of The Crown will premiere in November and it has already been said that it will show Prince Philip and an alleged affair with
Penny Knatchbull

" The Countess who became Prince Philip's 'closest confidante': How Penny Knatchbull befriended the Duke of Edinburgh and leaned on him after tragedy struck as The Crown 'films intimate scenes' between the pair based on unproven rumours of affair"
Part Of the text

"Viewers of The Crown have been left in uproar over reports the upcoming series will portray Prince Philip 'pursuing an affair' with Penny Knatchbull.

The Netflix hit series, which is based on the royal family but also weaves in fictional storylines, is reported to have filmed 'intimate scenes' between the characters which will air just over two months after the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

It is thought the pair will be seen touching hands as Philip talks about his marriage, in a move that has been branded 'cruel rubbish' by the late Queen's former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11298875/Penny-Knatchbulls-friendship-Prince-Philip-Tragedy-loyalty-unproven-affair-rumours.html
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If Netflix's The Crown has had its content leaked and assuming that Netflix already knows the contents of Harry's book, it is quite possible that RF knows the contents of the book and the H&M series. And this may also explain the duo's desperation to delay the book and series as they want to participate in KCIII's coronation)
...

Now several rounds of PR (I think from Camp Sussex) say Kate wants to get closer to MM when she's in America. William wants to see Harry. Camille works behind the scenes to reconcile H with Charles and will be devastated if H does not attend the coronation. Sure! After all, all the RF, the sea, the sky, the seagulls and everything that lives on land wants H&M!

Well, we are like most of the media, speculation and speculating until something concrete comes along and shows the real facts.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-wont-get-coronation-invites-if-they-slam-royals-sources-say?ref=home

If Harry and Meghan target Charles, other royals, and especially Camilla in Harry’s memoir and Netflix show, then the Sussexes can expect to have their coronation invite withdrawn.
DesignDoctor said…
@Hikari

One birthday party for both daughters with friends invited for each. Their birthday was always a BIG deal and almost like another Christmas with all the invited guests and presents. We were always exhausted at the end of the party.

I think they like it and continue to enjoy having the same birthday, after all they do not know anything else and it is a big occasion in the family.

@ObservantOne said:
Back in the 1970’s I had a book that described how to calculate your fertile months, based on numerology. At the time I thought it might have been ridiculous, but when I hear of women who have children close to or on the same date, I wonder.

Don't know anything about numerology, but my daughters told me once that their birthday is 9 months after our wedding anniversary, so that is their explanation. Their due dates were two weeks apart. And they were both early.
Brandy--You're a Fine Girl is one of my fav songs of all time!
Hikari said…
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZPdih-KJK3o?feature=share

I have my suspicions that Madam is teasing another pregnancy. That will give her the next eight months for blooming photos courtesy of her pal Harriman… Handy for getting out of a deposition for Samantha’s defamation lawsuit, citing being unwell and if King Charles is really lucky, she could go into labor on Coronation day. Being heavily pregnant will be a convenient excuse to see your face over the lack of an invitation, and it’s some thing she’s certainly employed before.
Humor Me said…
How is the world does Netflix have an advance copy of H's book to know there are discrepancies? The mind wonders - is this a warning shot to the 6/5s that they need to deliver the goods promised, or else?

Charles and Camilla - their story - reminds me of the late President Reagan and his second wife, Nancy. It was all about them - the kids knew they were second and they acted out in their own ways and over time, disappeared from the public.
As posted above - If H lashes out at QC, KCIII will choose Camilla, as he has done since his divorce from Diana.
I feel sorry for H in a way (ducking, ducking) - I have witnessed this with kids of divorce or loss and second marriage - they feel left out and act out. H needed guidance that he did not receive in some way, shape or form. The army helped, but sadly, could not take the palce of parent. I do wondered what happened that at ten years, H could not advance and therefore it was time to go....what about all the veterans of lesser ranks with decades of service before retirement? It is sad to see what has happened to him.

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