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Well. It's that an interesting plot twist?

 As part of Samantha's lawsuit, the duo can be questioned.  

That will be quite interesting - how far ranging could this go?  

I don't know but it is interesting considering all the cases and the things which leaked out during them.

Comments

Sandie said…
@Maneki Neko
You are correct. My assumption that losing the lease on FC makes him not eligible to be CoS was wrong.

I think there are people in Parliament (both houses) who understand the difficulty and are trying to change this. The article in Wikipedia explains why this is so difficult. If I am correct, in Parliament, the law they are trying to pass gives the monarch the power to choose who is CoS and is not bound by the line of succession. In practice, this is what the late Queen did (Princess Anne doing investitures is one example, despite about 5 other royals being 'ahead' of her), and the King seems to also be doing.
Sandie said…
They are playing the victim and the tabloids are assisting them. As I said previously, the King chose not to renew their lease. It is only an eviction if they refuse to move out and have to be forced. One can dance around the definition in all wokeness, but it does practically mean using legal and other force to boot out people who do not want to leave, and is usually used in connection with people who do not pay rent. Leasing/renting a place is never secure for the rest of your life or for as long as you want, and ordinary people have leases not renewed, and not always for not paying rent, which is usually upsetting. However, most are grown up and accept that. As for Andrew, he has a long lease and I do not see how the King can force him out if he continues to pay the very cheap rent AND maintain the property.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11807171/Harry-Meghan-stunned-evicted-Frogmore-Cottage.html

All I can say to the duo is that behaviour, repeated behaviour, has consequences, so ... grow up!

Sandie said…
Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
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FYI - With Periodic tenancies (no end date) & even some fixed term rent agreements,

Standard practice in UK is

At least 2 months written notice by land owner that they want the property back (‘notice to quit’)
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Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
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While it's true Frogmore will change hands, it's not a hard eviction. The duo being given some time to prepare.

Exact date unconfirmed, KC3 Coronation could be the last time they stay there, it's familiar for the kids; wee lad's private birthday event planned late afternoon.
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Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
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Replying to
@PalaceWalls
😁We are not privy to their lease details. Never claimed to be. What I do know is they planned to stay there (albeit one last time) during KC3 Coronation.

Informed opinion is they've been given due notice of the change in hands with respect to Frogmore.
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Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
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Replying to
@DuchessDearly
Planning takes place many months in advance when it comes to the British Royal Family. As a result of this advance planning: certain circumstances, depending on who are involved, become difficult to keep under wraps for too long.
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https://twitter.com/BarkJack_

Nothing new here, but it is worth keeping an eye on this account as they do sometimes get hold of 'insider inlformation' well in advance of the tabloids.

Well, that’s a turn-up for the book! Sufficiently dramatic for me to comment as promised:

It seems that H hasn’t yet decided where he wants to live permanently, prefering to do a sort of Courier of St Petersburg circus act:
“A rider straddled two cantering horses while other horses bearing the flags of the countries through which a courier would pass on his way to (or from)Russia passed between his legs.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Courier-of-St-Petersburg

It makes a change from juggling but the wolves of HMRC and the IRS may be running underneath him, just waiting…

Good clarification here of domicile and residence::
https://www.ingletonpartners.com/insights/whats-the-difference-between-domicile-and-residence/

The short lease was a brilliant move - leases can be for 99 years, or even 999. Didn’t he renew it a little while ago so he could stay a CoS? Presumably he knew it’d expire in 2023 but wrongly assumed that Pa would renew it again without a quibble.

Mea culpa – what should my penance be?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/inside-story-king-charless-eviction-harry-meghan-omid-scobie-100837054.html

A cruel punishment': The inside story of King Charles's eviction of Harry and Meghan
The couple have just weeks to clear out their Windsor home – and Charles has already offered Andrew the keys

Omid Scobie·Royal Executive Editor
Wed, 1 March 2023 at 10:08 am GMT

Inevitable.
It'd only be an eviction if they're not out on time.

It'd be great as a reality TV episode though:

- bailiffs arrive with Court Order, Harkles refuse to open the door

- bailiffs force their way in

- *is carried out bodily by a police constable, kicking and screaming, dumped on the ground where she dissolves in tears.

A copper drags H out by his transplants.

Their chattels are piled up, the Frog Cott is made secure and the erstwhile residents are given a leaflet about the nearest night shelter for the homeless.

They could sell tickets for the spectacle. Also auction the film rghts. All for charity.

NeutralObserver said…
LOL! It looks like Todger & his ILBW are trying to get ahead of any bullying dirt that might be coming out in the near future, & do a rebrand at the same time.

In my post the other day, I mentioned that I thought ILBW's messianic Diana 2.O was a mistake & she should go back to just merching stuff. The economy is pretty dicey everywhere these days & it's hard to know what will fly. Plus, even when everybody's spending like mad, fads & trends can turn on a dime. However, billions know the names of the duo. They don't even need to be called HRH with the general public. Look at their Netflix title. The titles are just for opening doors to the elite. No one in their right mind would abandon the possibility of making millions of $ on that kind of name recognition.

Todger has undergone a bit of a Hollywood makeover. Fat, pasty, big boobed, schmucky Todger was no place to be seen in their recent pap outing. Hair plugs, weight loss, spray on tan, & with tighter clothing, collar up, & not too rumpled. That look takes quite a bit of discipline. How long before Todger releases his inner Nick Nolte & is seen stumbling around looking like one of the 'unhoused'?

ILBW ducked & kept her new look underwraps for now. I can't wait to see the persona she unveils! NOT!
SwampWoman said…
@Raspberry Ruffle, I meant that I was surprised because I *thought* that the Queen would have provided Andrew with means independent of KCIII as well as the ability to continue to live in the house which he refurbished.
SwampWoman said…
I can't help but think that the news about KCIII casually tossing the keys of Frogmore to Andrew is supposed to whip the common people into a frenzy that Andrew is getting Frogmore because of racism or some such.

/No frenzy here.
Fifi LaRue said…
Anyone see the New York Post this morning? Mr. & Mrs. Todger went out in public to a restaurant in Los Angeles.
Mr. Todger exiting the car looks higher than a kite, while Mrs. Todger is cozy with some guy in the backseat, and looks at Mr. Todger like he's some foreign entity. While walking into the restaurant they hold hands to give the appearance of being together. Something very fishy going on.
snarkyatherbest said…
interesting. so the reports are they we’re told after the book came out. hmmm finally hearing about it. SwampWoman you maybe right. did they leak to get sympathy? the andrew thing has to have come from them via Eugenie? testing the royals to see who can keep a secret? then again at the time of the renovations were that there were plans to make frogmore into apartments for royal staff. wonder if all they had was an apartment there?

it is a delicious bit of revenge as rumors circulate of $ troubles and inability to sell their house. future visits to the UK either require either $ for a hotel or await a coveted royal invite. hmmmm. well done charles. well done.
Sandie said…
Supposedly Scobie said this in an interview, about Spare:

"Do you feel like he [Harry] crossed a line or, is, what are your thoughts there?"

Omid: "It's a tricky one. I think, listen, if I gave that much about my family I think they probably would not be talking to me for some time, even if there was no sort of rocky history in the past. I do think people do genuinely want to protect their privacy, particularly royals who have so little to keep for themselves anyway"
Sandie said…
@WBBM
Your post about the Courier of Petersburg demonstrates quite clearly that choosing to stay away for Lent is imposing a Lent sacrifice on us. With all due respect, I do not think that is a good thing! Can't you just give up coffe or something like that instead? And my sincere apologies if I am being unacceptably irreverant or offensive in any way, and selfish as we miss you!
Sandie said…
@WBBM
Great post about the Courier of Petersburg!

@Fifi LaRue
In the photos I saw, not only were they not holding hands but they did not enter the restaurant together or walk to the table together. Here is the article, with a video - no hand holding. He waited for her when he exited the car but she then barged ahead of him, all the way to the table ...

https://pagesix.com/2023/02/28/meghan-markle-prince-harry-have-first-night-out-since-spare-released/
Sandie said…
It seems that the decision to not offer them a renewal on their lease simply coincided with the publication of Spare because they renewed the lease for one year and that period was coming to an end. They have been given a generous amount of time to vacate, and it seems will be offered an 'extension' so that they can stay there for the Coronation.

Why is this only being reported now, and with such a commotion? The leak could have occurred by a simple slip from someone at the Palace when talking to an inquisitive Sun reporter, so quite innocent. But it could have been 'leaked' by the duo in their never-ending war on the royal family.
@SwampWoman,

The Queen was a practical woman and a traditionalist. She would’ve known things change when there’s a new head of state. She knew Charles wouldn’t see Andrew made homeless, besides Andrew has money of his own to buy a house. He’s not being made homeless, and if true, it’s the perfect excuse to kick the duo out to make way for Andrew. 😁

I’m sure there were already plans (being discussed) to open Royal Lodge as a venue when the late Queen was still alive. 🙂
Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11fa9bp/myra_on_twitter/

It seems they were holding hands when they left. Mystery solved!

Too much bronzer on the face - I cannot say that enough times! Note how much lighter the hands are, and everyone knows that sun block on the face is a must! And that put on, fixed smile...
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My guesses ... The insider is the duo themselves:

"The insider told the Sussexes' favoured royal reporter, Omid Scobie, today: 'It all feels very final and like a cruel punishment. It's like [the family] want to cut them out of the picture for good. Harry and Meghan have until early summer to vacate. Initially they were given just weeks, but now they have at least until after the coronation'."

And this is probably Eugenie and Jack, but maybe Eugenie/Jack and Sarah:

"Mr Scobie has said that at least two members of the Royal Family are 'appalled'. He does not name them but the Sussexes are known to be close to Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie."

Since when have the Sussexes been close to Beatrice?
Humor Me said…
Date I type this:
K-R-A
they lost their lease for FroggyCott
K-E-N
Nice one!
K-C-I-I-I
I made the mistake of following twitter and making one comment (Harry received an invitation to the Coronation) andd the reply from a few were a pithy NO and shame on me for reading the papers.
I am remembering the edict that after the Jubilee, what H did would affect his road forward.
Well played, Your Majesty. Well Played.
Rebecca said…
From Victoria Ward, Royal Editor of The Telegraph:

The rugs are literally being pulled from under Harry, Meghan and Andrew's feet

It’s fair to say that the latest move on the royal residence merry-go-round has caused shock and consternation on all sides.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have been given their marching orders from Frogmore Cottage, the UK base they opted to maintain after relocating to California.

The couple did not want to give up their only British bolthole, a property they lovingly made their home and consider their only “safe place” in the UK amid an ongoing legal row over their family’s security provision.

To add fuel to the fire, Prince Andrew has been offered the keys.

But Uncle Andrew is as unhappy as the Sussexes with this development. He has no desire to leave Royal Lodge, the family home in which he has lived for 20 years.

So what’s the long-term strategy?

The strings are being pulled by the King and his closest advisers, who are understood to be blaming budgets and running costs.

Yet for a monarch who already has a portfolio of empty royal residences and palaces on his hands, it would appear an odd move.

The King needs to ensure that the Royal family’s homes are seen to be used. He is extremely tuned in to the cost of living crisis and keen to ensure that his slimmed down monarchy offers value for money.

This latest salvo looks likely to land him with another one on his hands - Royal Lodge, a vast, 30-room Grade-II listed pile in Windsor Great Park.

There must be method in this madness - perhaps Royal Lodge has been earmarked for the Prince and Princess of Wales? It would certainly be considered a more appropriate match for their status than the four-bedroom Adelaide Cottage that the family moved into last summer.

Equally interesting is the fact that Charles appears unconcerned about upsetting both his younger brother and son, which suggests relations have significantly soured.

Both royal outcasts for very different reasons, they now appear to have been so sidelined that the rugs are literally being pulled from under their feet.

Neither has been given much choice in the move and while Andrew is resisting it for now, it seems likely that he will ultimately have no choice but to hand over his keys.

A recent poll suggested that the Sussexes were now more unpopular than Prince Andrew, news which will perhaps embolden Charles as he all but cuts them out of the royal picture.




Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11fdky1/sussexes_confirm_eviction_notice/

Duo have confirmed that they "have been requested to vacate".

My favourite comment so far ...
Charles: "What part of "overseas" did you not understand?"
NeutralObserver said…
@FifiLaRue, my post was about the Page 6 'date night' photos. We know that the Todgers called BackGrid for some purpose, we just don't yet know what it is. I think until we know otherwise, we have to assume the duo are acting together. Todger's more pronounced LA metrosexual appearance can't be because it's 'the real' Todger.

It's hard to know what's really going on in the reported royal housing musical chairs. I find it hard to believe that Andrew would willingly be downsized to Frogmore Cottage, or even that KCIII would be that punitive, but as someone pointed out, Andrew, Todger & ILBW have all dissed Camilla. So maybe Charles is acceding to his inner Scorpio. Or he could be just really, really downsizing. Mr. & Mrs.Todger loving & Time owning Marc Benioff is doing the same thing at his company. He's tossing out the in-house baristas, among other unfortunate employees.

If the Todgers really have lost their UK housing, perhaps the palace is establishing a baseline from which they can work their way back into better treatment, i.e. for each act of compliance with palace requests, some perk will be re-extended. Is it a negotiating tactic? Who knows?

I've often wondered if the late Queen issued the letters patent stipulating that daughters of the heir retain their place in the line of succession in the same way that sons do, after each successive birth, as an indirect way of putting more distance between Todger & the throne, so that if all W & C's children had been girls, Todger couldn't move up in line to replace them. His family have always known that he was a loose cannon. Perhaps I'm imagining things. It was the right thing to do, in any case.

@WBBM, I agree with @Sandie, that you not posting for Lent is a penance on the rest of us Nutties.
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Mel said…
Why is this only being reported now, and with such a commotion? 
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Hmmmm....let's see.
Oh! I know!

POW had an event today. His first as Colonel of the Welsh Guards.

This is a big deal, and important to POW. Whilst it's getting publicity to some degree, it's getting pretty overshadowed by Frogxit.

Much like their first outing as Prince/Princess of Wales was diminished and minimized by the Harkles tagging along.

Which is likely to be the story of the rest of POW's life. Every single event he has the Harkles will have saved up something big to leak out the day of.
Mel said…
Wbbm...glad you came back in light of big news.

I also was thinking about what you could do instead. Maybe my idea from the other day could work. :-)
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NeutralObserver said…
I wonder if the Todgers' recent date night was in anticipation of the announcement of a third pregnancy. I'm hazy about the dates, but didn't the duo go out with record exec David Foster & his wife a few weeks/months before announcing the second pregnancy? I vaguely recall that ILBW wore some sort of loosely fitting beige coat, similar to the beige wrap she wore in the Page 6 photos. She's used pregnancies to get out of things in the past. (Court case).
Fifi LaRue said…
@Sandie: Thanks! I didn't see that. Who do you think is the man Mrs. Todger was sitting very close to in the car? Marcus Anderson, Mrs. Todger's pimp? I wonder if MA greased the way to Mr. Getty.
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Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11ffnau/emily_andrews_taking_one_for_the_team/

8nteresting tweet in this thread - taken from the mockumentary, this is them packing up at Frogmore Cottage, at the time of Megxit.

One of the photos in the tweet ...

https://preview.redd.it/7togw5f198la1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=f797d4929c47e8892b06cec708fcabe6af8de35c

What is it? It does not look the same as the Queen's formal assent to the marriage:

https://preview.redd.it/4mxp73i2a8la1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=18c1dce8d85dcdaec2b9ff25a268223087590fe9

But maybe the second image is the wrong one.
@Sandie - It's not a good thing to make one's observances at the expense of others so I shall think of something else!
Rebecca said…
I apologize for all the consecutive posts. I’ll edit/cull later today, I promise 🙂.

From the DM;

Psychologist reveals the most common phrases that NARCISSISTS use to manipulate you during EVERY stage of a relationship
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11808361/Psychologist-reveals-common-phrases-narcissists-use-manipulate-you.html
How many women marrying, say, an officer in the Forces or an executive in a large corporation such as IBM, would expect to have an active role in the organisation by reason of whom she had married?

One is expected to mind one's ps and qs, be charming and presentable at official events, and support one's spouse, not march in and attempt an aggressive take-over. It beats me as to why she should assume that was OK.

Will H ever realise that she married him for financial gain? It'll hurt like Hell if he ever does.
Girl with a Hat said…
There is more:

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have been banned from all palace and castle grounds without strict supervision!

There are strict, and high security concerns, many stemming from the
@Netflix series.

https://twitter.com/jomilleweb/status/1631031718953078790
Rebecca said…
Maureen Callahan in DM:

MAUREEN CALLAHAN: 'Eviction' is the greatest gift King Charles can give Harry and Meghan - to the Duke and Duchess of Endless Grievance there's good money in playing the victim

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11809367/MAUREEN-CALLAHAN-Eviction-greatest-gift-Harry-Meghan-love-playing-victim.html


“Harry — once among the most beloved royals, successfully branded by the Palace as a patriot, a military man who loved serving in Afghanistan, the freewheeling younger brother to the starchier Prince William and favorite of the Queen — has been revealed as the opposite: Petulant, lazy, entitled, not terribly bright, emotionally limited, perpetually aggrieved, and mean. Nasty.” 👏🏻
Rebecca said…
@Mel
Why is this only being reported now, and with such a commotion?

I wonder if Eugenie leaked the news?
abbyh said…
I have been thinking of the being asked to move out of FC.

I got the idea that it was more of a lease not renewed. Perhaps they had not considered that it might not be renewed with all their plans.


Coming on the heels of the book, it might actually be helpful to them.

In the book, there is a fair amount about money and how he doesn't get to do some of the good deed project(s) he wants because others are also looking for funding their projects. Or that bit about how he didn't really have life experience about the money knowledge.

So the silver lining is that now they won't have that annual expense - which goes not used for long periods. He can use that money to pay other bills. Or maybe have some fun like go back to Africa.

In the book, he was always going there but he hasn't gone back to the areas which were his favorite place since probably he got engaged. He/they went but it was an official trip, they had the baby and fun side trips weren't on the plan.


The other thing is from the new book out - interesting that one of complaints is that * had a feeling being sidelined by others. As was pointed out, marrying in to someone who works for a corporation does not mean that you are given decision-making status within the organization - and not considered as such even when the spouse is a core decision-maker. They are the side piece who is supposed to support their spouse, not make waves, learn the corporate way of doing things and get along with everyone.

You have to know the Corporate Culture of the place you are moving into - to see if it is a good fit for all.

And the monarchy is a place with a long history of how to do things their way. If they wanted input on change, they would be hiring someone who knows the country, the customs, the people, what kinds of things the establishment wants to consider changing and has the ability to phrase things with great diplomacy. Change may be needed but if the feathers of those who implement your idea or people you need to get behind your idea to get traction get too ruffled, it won't matter how good the idea is, only that not enough people wanted it like you did.



abbyh said…
Why now?

Good question.

Perhaps there was "discussion" about this change. That discussion could have been quite involved given that there are a number of time zones when both sides would be able to talk on the phone (LA 9 am is 5 pm London) if it was to be verbal instead of email (less personal?).

Perhaps there was some attempts at bargaining (moving up the chain about this does take time) or request to delay/postponement of the decision?

So maybe that train ran out of track and here we are.


Fifi LaRue said…
The Harry Markle site noted that since KCIII kicked the Todgers out of Frogmore, they won't have a domicile in the UK, they will have to pay US taxes.
abbyh said…
But as a US citizen, she still would need to pay some US taxes. Living overseas means taxation without congressional representation to US citizens.

So the question is more of what does she have that could be taxable income (savings account, wages type of stuff) - and then what are the tax laws for what he has earned?

It gets complicated fast. A lot drops down to is he a US resident alien or not. And then there how or what was he paid.



OCGal said…
@Rebecca, you wrote:
"I apologize for all the consecutive posts. I’ll edit/cull later today, I promise"

NO! I am so grateful for all the great articles and points-of-view you, and Sandie, and in fact all the Nutties post for our delectation.

Keep all the great stuff coming.
Rebecca said…
Tom Bower speaks out in the New York Post:

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s eviction from Frogmore Cottage doesn’t surprise at least one royal expert.

“Harry and Meghan provoked him [King Charles] with Harry’s disgraceful book and the interviews he gave,” Tom Bower told Page Six exclusively in a recent interview, referring to Harry’s memoir, “Spare,” and his appearances on “60 Minutes” and “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.”

“I mean what did he expect?” the “Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the War Between the Windsors” author continued. “Harry wanted the royal family to come on bended knee begging for forgiveness and he’s completely crossed the spectrum, he’s in the mad wilderness of deranged victimhood.”

The “Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the War Between the Windsors” author theorizes that the release of the “Frogmore story shows that Harry has to have no role in the upcoming coronation and he’s not welcome.”

“If he and god forbid she came then they’d be the focus of attention and all the attention should be on Charles.”
SwampWoman said…
Ugh, thanks for reminding me about taxes.
Fifi LaRue said…
If the Todgers attend the Coronation, they will be strategically placed so their faces will never be shown on any camera.
Lots of good gags, cartoons and animations on #FrogmoreNoMore, a reference to Lochaber No More - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Im44nDD5Q

Lochaber is a district in the Scottish Highlands and, bizarrely, its Wikipedia entry tells us `According to legend, a glaistig, a ghostly woman-goat hybrid, once lived in the area'.

So that's where she comes from!

Perhaps we should call her `the Glaistig' tho' I do like the Irish term `Slieveen' from another site, also spelled `sleeveen':
https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/sleeveen-language-in-ireland/
Putting it bluntly, Frog Cott is a `tied cottage', like those of agricultural workers and, once, coal miners. There are plenty of other examples - rectories and vicarages, houses for school caretakers and Forces married quarters for instance - these all have to be vacated upon retirement or changing jobs. This explains why I found the sons of pitmen were so resistant to education back in the day when I was on teaching practice in Co Durham.

As one lad said to another student teacher, `What do I want to learn French for if I'm going down the pit like me Dad?'

It was vital that sons followed fathers, lest their mothers ended up homeless when Dad was killed at work or forced to give up. Daughters were expected to marry pitmen as well, anything to ensure there was an active miner in the home.

ERII did not `gift' the cottage to the Harkles - it wasn't hers to give. A better word would be `allocated'. I don't think anyone commented on my mentioning that Michael Douglas & his wife now rent an apartment in St James Palace - it suggests that CRIII is keen not to let any accommodation stay empty. Subject to security vetting and deep enough pockets, it seems that even commoners can be tenants on royal premises. Similarly, I've known for some time that one can go to residential holiday courses on landscape painting at Balmoral, staying in houses on the estate, at times when the royals aren't there; I believe that CRIIIs house in Wales is available for holiday rental as well.

So an empty Royal Lodge wouldn't present problems, just business opportunities.
H said wtte that he'd do anything in his power to save George, Charlotte and Louis for a fate like his.

Was that a kidnap threat?
Magatha Mistie said…

Frogmerched

Bailiff’s knocking on their door
Failed repayments
begging poor
On the town with
rictus grin
To hide the fact
they’ve no kerching…

Emily Andrews (The Sun, I know)
reckons Drongo & Trash
have only paid back
630,000 pounds on their
2.4m pound reno of Frog cottage.

Telling dwelling?

A reminder of why publishing plans of Royal residences is pure stupidity:

Man admits treason charge over Queen crossbow threat
Published
3 February

Jaswant Singh Chail appeared on a video link from Broadmoor Hospital
By Daniel Sandford
BBC News home affairs correspondent

`A man who arrived at Windsor Castle armed with a crossbow and told a protection officer "I am here to kill the Queen" has pleaded guilty to a charge under the Treason Act.

`Jaswant Singh Chail, from Hampshire, was arrested on Christmas Day 2021, when the late monarch was living at Windsor due to the Covid pandemic.

`At the Old Bailey earlier, Chail, 21, pleaded guilty to three charges.

`He is the first person in the UK to be convicted of treason since 1981.

`Chail, from North Baddesley, near Southampton, also admitted making threats to kill and possessing the loaded weapon in the castle. He is due to be sentenced at the same court on 31 March.'

Full report at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-64500638

He was arrested on Christmas Day 2021.
Sandie said…
Daniella Elser takes aim at everyone in a long opinion piece, but I found something interesting in the following paragraphs (in total, a 4-hour drive to get papped at an exclusive restaurant!):

"What a coincidence that the Duchess, after having stayed out of sight since December last year, chose the very same day as their Frogmore shunting broke to head out to Los Angeles’ San Vicente Bungalows, a favourite celebrity haunt, and which just happens to be a convenient two-hour drive from their home!

And how serendipitous that not one but two snappers happened to be there to catch them arriving and in the rain no less!"

https://archive.md/2023.03.02-043050/https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/king-charles-secret-prince-harry-meghan-plot-signifies-all-out-war/news-story/8a8faab7b6955299d6ba157f9753228a
Sandie said…
As for the 2.4 million for renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the reporting on this is misleading:

* It seems, from @MM's post that they have not repaid the full amount.
* There are rumours that they got the money from Charles anyway. Perhaps that is the millions he gave them from his income after they flounced off to Canada.
* They lived there rent free for about a year, and Eugenie and Jack were helping them to pay the rent for a while, which was always low considering the size and location of the property.
* What they had to pay back was the extravagant extras they wanted. I will have to do some research because I have forgotten the details. But the renovations were extensive and shrouded in mystery (the property was literally shrouded while it was being renovated). We know she is extravagent, so I tend to believe the runours about extra staircases and expensive vegan paint.

However, even so, it does seem a bit unethical to allow them to spend millions on a renovation to personally suit them and then give them notice that the lease would not be renewed. Perhaps I am being naive, but I do not think the King and the managers of the Crown Estate properties would be so unfair. Also, why only renew the lease for a year? And, did they do something unethical by subletting to Eugenie and Jack?

And do they have any furniture and other household goods left there? They seem to have packed up everything, and now the talk is that they are only having to move a sofa and chaise lounge.

Starting on the research ...

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a28169197/frogmore-cottage-renovation-cost-royal-family-sovereign-grant/
Magatha Mistie said…

@WildBoar
Good to see you back
Can’t ride two horses
with one saddle!!

@Sandie -

In England & Wales (don't know about Scotland) subletting is illegal without the consent of the landlord
Sandie said…
"According to the report, the majority of the money paid by the public was spent on structural issues such as defective ceiling beams, broken floor joists, outdated electrical systems, gas and water supply issues and ineffective heating systems."

https://graziadaily.co.uk/celebrity/news/the-sussexes-frogmore-cottage/

It is a very gushing article, but it is still not clear to me what they paid for and what the SG paid for, as essential structural renovations, which were going to be done anyway. Everything I read implies that they paid for everything.

The following article indicates that the 2.4 million also covered rent for 2020-1 and 2021-2. So, it all becomes murkier for me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/harry-meghan-frogmore-rent-royal-sovereign-grant-b1871910.html

It just seems to me a lot of money to spend on a property that you use for less than a month in total over a period of 3 years (that excludes the year that they did live there when Archie arrived).

But ...

https://houseofbrat.tumblr.com/

Enily Andrews says they were paying back the money they owed for renovatiins through their rent, which they paid for 3 years and so paid back a total of about 690 000. (And Jack and Eugenie paid sime of that as rent for the 6 months they lived there).

It is all so confusing. I think I should move on!
Sandie said…
Back on the topic because this is interesting:

meditatinginindia asked:

An interesting article in the Telegraph today. The photos of Frog Cottage which were in the Netflix documentary show it was furnished with items from H&M's wedding list. They had asked for people to buy them things from the SoHo house range of household goods. Also the journalist spotted that the kitchen shelves had no cups or mugs, suggesting it looked un lived-in.
-----

The Telegraph has a paywall so I have not given a link to the article here.
Sandie said…
@Maneki Neko
That tweet from Emily Andrews that I posted about was the same one you mentioned ...

The following is from the Sovereign Grant Report 2021-2022:

Frogmore Cottage
Frogmore Cottage was the official residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex until 31 March
2020, when they stepped back from performing official duties. From 1 April 2020 Frogmore
Cottage became the private UK residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, subject to an
annual licence to occupy. In addition to commercial rent paid in the first five months of 2020-
21, a lump sum of £2.4m was received from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex in September
2020 to re-imburse the Sovereign Grant for expenditure incurred on the refurbishment of
Frogmore Cottage. However, not all of the payment received in 2020-21 was recognised as
income within that accounting year, as it has been offset against the rental payments due for 2021-2022.

Of the cash payments received in 2020-21, the equivalent of 12 months of rental income was
recognised in the Income and Expenditure Account for 2020-21, in accordance with the related
performance obligation to provide accommodation. This was included within Property rental
income.
The licence was renewed for a further year to 31 March 2022. At 31 March 2021, the equivalent
of the rent due under the licence for the year to 31 March 2022 was treated as deferred income
under current liabilities in the Statement of Financial Position and has been released to the
Income and Expenditure Account in the year to 31 March 2022 as it has been earned and the
related performance obligation to provide accommodation is met.
The balance of the cash payments received during 2020-21 was recognised as income in 2020-
21, on the basis that a licence to occupy did not at that time extend beyond 31 March 2022 and
therefore there were no enforceable obligations at 31 March 2021. This sum was included
within Recharges for functions and other income in 2020-21.
There is no deferred income at 31 March 2022.
NeutralObserver said…
Re: Frogxit. We don't know the terms of the lease, & I believe that FrogCott is a Crown property, & is certainly not the personal property of KCIII. He just has control over it. The Crown Estate may have all sorts of arcane rules regarding leases & rentals, heaven knows they do over other issues. Even in plebeian & 'progressive' NYC there all sorts of ways a lease can be broken. Perhaps the Todges didn't meet some obscure term in their lease, & KCIII was just doing what any sensible landlord would do, cut costs & headaches by booting a troublesome tenant.

On another note, the name of the restaurant that the Todgers used for their LA pap walk rang a bell. Sure enough, it was the same place Todge met Annenberg heiress Wallis Annenberg back in 2021. I believe it was reported that both the club & its members were furious that the club's secrecy rules were violated. This might upset them once more. Funny that her name is Wallis. I wonder who the Todges were meeting? I doubt that the club would admit the Todges as members, as they're proven blabber mouths.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9503837/Prince-Harry-lunch-philanthropist-Wallis-Annenberg-exclusive-Hollywood-club.html

They could have been meeting poor old Gordon Getty. Who knows? Fifi La Rue's guess might be right, Marcus Anderson may have set them up with Getty, although Getty seems more Bohemian Club than Soho Club. He's always been very interested in the arts though, & the Soho Club would be a relatively inexpensive way for him to meet the younger arty-farty set.

I'm surprised that people are so shocked that KCIII would do this to the Todges. (Although he might still give them access to something much bigger & luxurious than FrogCott. Who knows?) People should read what the RF did to the D & D of Windsor. As WBBM has pointed out, in Henry VIII's time they would have been beheaded, after a publicly shaming trial, of course.
xxxxx said…
From UK Telegraph --- https://archive.is/8V6qO

Sussexes ‘weren’t told’ Prince Andrew would move into Frogmore once they leave
Harry and Meghan said to be left in the dark over news that the King earmarked their Windsor property for the Duke of York
By
Victoria Ward,
ROYAL EDITOR
1 March 2023 • 9:44pm

The couple has been given until just after the Coronation to vacate their Windsor home, although they have not yet confirmed whether they will attend the May 6 ceremony.
The Sussexes were said to have been disappointed when told they were being evicted from the property in January, three years after announcing that they were quitting royal duties and relocating abroad.
However, the revelation that the King has offered the Duke of York their much-loved home, which they carefully renovated to their own personal taste, will only serve to aggravate what have already been “difficult” talks.
The King asked the Sussexes to vacate their five-bedroom Georgian cottage around the time that Spare, the Duke’s memoir, was published in the New Year, but discussions have only recently gathered pace.

A friend admitted that the decision had not been welcomed by the couple, noting that they had “made that place their home”.
The Sussexes consider the cottage, which is ensconced on the Windsor estate, the “only place that’s left as a safe space” for them and their children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, in the UK – not least given the ongoing legal row over the Government’s decision to withdraw their right to automatic state-funded security.
The King’s decision to remove one of the final links his son has to the UK is said to be indicative of the current state of the relationship between the two sides of the family.
“There has been no embrace,” one source observed. “If anyone was going to try and pretend things were rosy, this somewhat blows the cover.”

The private money the couple ploughed into the property, and potential recompense, is understood to form part of the ongoing negotiations.

(EXCERPT)
Sandie -

Brilliant! You've got it straight from the horse's mouth!

What part of `subject to an annual licence to occupy' didn't they understand? Presumably they didn't bother with the T&Cs.

We had a `licence to occupy' for a strictly limited time (Fri - Sun) once when part-exchanging our small house for a larger newbuild. We had so much stuff that the removal van had to do a second trip on the next day, the Saturday. We were allowed access for the weekend to finish clearing and giving it a good clean. Our new house was barely half a mile away so there was no problem about overnight accommodation - we locked up and left on the Sunday afternoon.

Narcs don't recognise boundaries.
Neutral Observer:

Not just Henry VIII.

I'm certain Elizabeth I would have ensured their final public engagement was with the headsman on Tower Green.

Check out the Earl of Essex, formerly her favourite...
snarkyatherbest said…
i think the paps know if they arrive in Montecito they will be blacklisted themselves by the other celebrities there. i think they would only do the pics if it was somewhere else. she figured soho because she can pull some strings to get in there. you know you have fallen when the paps won’t come to you.

there was been some online mumbling why did the Frogmore thing come out now. i think someone leaked to them that andrew was going into Frogmore and they helped leak it out. if charles gave them the notice in January it’s been know for almost 2 months. perhaps ms eugenie who was just in california let it leak about Andrew and let them know and they thought let’s drag Andrew into this. could be a lie from Montecito or a leak to a eugenie to see if she can be trusted it may be the latter. but who knows. nothing clear with the Montecito bunch
NeutralObserver said…
Another blog is speculating that the Todges were informed of this decision last June, when the Queen was still alive, but they've leaked the news to make KCIII look mean. (Likely all of their demands & pleas have been ignored as well, so they're doing all they can to remain victims. IMHO.)
Humor Me said…
Hmmm. It could be that KCIII told the Harkles that the lease was not going to be renews back in the day. It could be the Harkles chose not to renew the lease; we have all heard rumors of money problems.
Andrew has a cash flow problem and wants to live in Windsor Great Park - so Charles recommends Frog Cott - literally in the Kings' back yard, if I remember the way HMTQ talked about H&M living at Frog Cott.

These days, everything is speculation from both sides. I do remember one item - after the jubilee: going forward, anything H did that crossed a line would not fare well with hie father. The book was going forward. The documentary was going forward. And now, the Harkles do not have a permanent London address.
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NeutralObserver said…
@WBBM, LOL, yes, back in the day royalty all over the world would do away with their nearest & dearest if they gave the slightest hint that they coveted the other's throne. I think the worst thing that Todger did was ruffle the feathers of Commonwealth members. The Commonwealth was very dear to the Queen & is to KCIII as well.
His book seemed to reek of envy & resentment for his father & his brother. His apparent stupidity, unfortunately, is a argument against a hereditary monarchy, although intelligence can be quite variable, even in the same family.
Maneki Neko said…
@xxxxx

Thanks for the Victoria Ward article.

I must say I don't understand this:
"The Sussexes consider the cottage, which is ensconced on the Windsor estate, the “only place that’s left as a safe space” for them and their children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, in the UK."

So now it is a safe space in the UK, is it? If it was such a safe space, why did they decide to up sticks and decamp to Canada, then the US? They didn't particularly like Frog Cottage, especially * as it obviously wasn't grand enough. I think they're just peeved that it's now going to someone else, even though they don't really want it/need it. They don't want it but no else can have it. The decision is a long overdue, well needed and well deserved slap in the face.
What about the Roman Imperial family as depicted in I,Claudius?

It was even worse to be in the top family in the Ottoman Empire - see https://daily.jstor.org/why-ottoman-sultans-locked-away-their-brothers/

Confinement was an improvement on the previous situation when fratricide was the norm. Mehmet's murder of his 19 brothers was thought to be a bit much.

`This system virtually guaranteed a period of chaos between rulers, as the rival claimants vied for the throne. When Bayezid I died in 1403, the resulting struggle between his four sons ballooned into a decade-long civil war.

`Of course, the crown prince could never shed the blood of his brothers. So he had them strangled instead. When Mehmed III was crowned, he called his nineteen brothers into the throne room. They had nothing to fear, he told them, for he had only brought them there to be circumcised. In the next room, the assassins were waiting. One by one, the princes trouped in. One by one, they were throttled with a silken bowstring. The youngest was only eleven.'


By contrast, our King is a pussy cat for not letting the `Herpetiform' Harkles remain at FrogCott.

* from the same root as `herpes' but my zoological neologism rather than anything medical!
`His and Her Reptilian Herpetiformnesses' perhaps?
Neutral Observer

The worst thing they did?

I agree that the damaging the Commonwealth was the worst thing politically that we know about so far but perhaps the worst thing morally was tormenting the dying and those close to them.
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Humor Me said…
Ah, yes. The Ottoman empire. Did anyone watch the Turkish series "Magnificent Century" based on the life of Sulieman the Magnificent?
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xxxxx said…
Maneki Neko said...

,I must say I don't understand this:
"The Sussexes consider the cottage, which is ensconced on the Windsor estate, the “only place that’s left as a safe space” for them and their children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, in the UK."


Frog Cott is the Dastardly Duo's safe space when they are visiting the UK. Because Frog Cott is on the Royal grounds. So gets Royal Protection officers. This is all about the "Security" they prattle on about.
Girl with a Hat said…
get this!

There's a tweet that says that the first annual Archewell charity concert will be held May 6-7 and will feature pretty much all of the singers who turned down an invitation to play and sing at the Coronation of KC3. The tweet says that Elton John, Oprah, the Obamas and Trudeau are rumoured to be attending. As if!

https://twitter.com/colchesteravig1/status/1631312362996113412/photo/1
SwampWoman said…
Girl with a Hat said...
get this!

There's a tweet that says that the first annual Archewell charity concert will be held May 6-7 and will feature pretty much all of the singers who turned down an invitation to play and sing at the Coronation of KC3. The tweet says that Elton John, Oprah, the Obamas and Trudeau are rumoured to be attending. As if!

https://twitter.com/colchesteravig1/status/1631312362996113412/photo/1


Sure, ILBW!
Fifi LaRue said…
@SwampWoman: None of those people rumored to be performing/attending the charity will be there. There's no pole long enough for anyone mentioned. More delusional/aspirational wishful thinking by Mrs. Todger.
Relax, Folks!

It's some kind of spoof; if you use the Twitter link there are yards (almost!) of comments from those who are ROFL.

I really like the picture captioned `I don't understand your specific kind of stupid - but I do admire your commitment to it.'

It sums the Hs up perfectly.
Jan Moir has a good article int the DM:

JAN MOIR: Thank you Your Majesty for giving spoilt manbaby Prince Harry and his wife a kick up the backside

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11814173/JAN-MOIR-Thank-Majesty-giving-spoilt-manbaby-Prince-Harry-kick-backside.html

A quotation:

The biggest joke of all is that Harry and Meghan clearly still thought they had a right to Frogmore Cottage. That it was somehow still theirs. And that it was perfectly acceptable for it to sit empty for 50 weeks of the year and be readily available when they flew in for Wimbledon, or the Graham Norton Show, or the Coronation — in that order of importance, obviously

See also:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11814711/Sources-claim-King-kicked-Harry-Meghan-Frogmore-Cottage-Dukes-snipes-Camilla.html
Maneki Neko said…
@xxxxx

I do get that Frog Cott, being on Royal grounds, was their safe space but I thought they left because they didn't feel safe and wanted their privacy?? They had all the privacy they wanted at Frog Cott, so much so that we never saw neither hide nor hair of them while they were there. There is obviously security at all the royal residences. They could stay at one of them should they deign to visit the UK and therefore have security and privacy. No, they're just totally p¡$$ed off to have something taken off them.
NeutralObserver said…
@WBBM, I was thinking of insults heaped by the Todgers on the UK as a whole, although I agree that that they have been horrible to both of their families. The wife's inexplicable, wholly transactional relationship with her own family (Doria trotted out now & again for racial cred, all others banished)is hard to bear, then she had to turn her poisonous talons on the RF.

The pair of them could fill the advice columns of the late Dear Abby & Ann Landers & could provide a lifetime of content for the former Jerry Springer show. (Don't know if Brits will be familiar with, or remember these US explorations of toxic families.)

The Todgers will want to play up the 'cruelty' of the eviction as much as possible, but for several months Lady C. has been hinting that a deluge of damaging info was coming out about the duo later this year. She keeps saying there is lots going on behind the scenes. Is their goose finally being cooked? This could be the least of their problems. We just don't know.
Hikari said…
@Neutral

I always thought the Kraken would be held in abeyance until her late Majesty QEII passed away. HMTQ forbore a lot from her troublesome grandson and his ILBW. One can only wonder what she would have made of the revelations pouring out about H’s blue Todger and public copulation behind pubs and his weird fixation on his late mother’s face cream. I’m glad she was spared those.

Daddy King is a more vengeful personality; Charles is a Scorpio. They are passionate and idealistic under calm exteriors, intensely loyal and devoted to their loved ones. But they expect the same loyalty. They have long memories and are capable of strategic thinking to dismantle their enemies. You don’t want to get on the wrong side of a Scorpion. Charles the father may still love his kid, but now that the kid has demeaned Chas's Queen and the antics threaten the reign KCIII has awaited for 50+ years, the Todgers will be dealt with as political enemies of the Crown. He is going to shut them down as his mother would not. And if Charles finds himself wavering with paternal angst, he’s got William to issue a “Hell No!” He can’t afford to alienate his one good son and wife over the Terrible Todgers. The fact is the Harry hates his father and brother. Like his wife, he is only capable of shallow goodwill so long as he is given everything he wants. I don’t think he ever loved Charles, but viewed him as the royal vending machine. Sure, he could smile with Dad and Willy on ski holidays and safari holidays and Balmoral holidays. But once he was expected to *work* in accordance with his privilege, he started to agitate to get out. Both Todgers have only ever lived for themselves.

It’s hard to accept being hated, especially by his own kid, for someone like Charles, but he must be getting used to it. I’d have loved to see Andy’s face when he was told he was being shunted to FroggyCott, castle of vegan paint and yoga floors. Maybe he can take up yoga and enjoy growing his own avocados in the orangerie. LOL ��

That is some brinksmanship, Your Majesty. I am now feeling sorry for the house, if you can believe that. Poor FroggyCott—neglected for so long, allowed to fall into decay…finally gets some TLC and vegan paint to the tune of 2.4 million pounds—and still nobody wants to live there. By the standards of Royal residences, it is humble but most of us would be tickled with a restored Grade II listed 5-bedroom Georgian cottage. I hear Andrew is balking at the move but he has to since there’s mold at Royal Lodge.

Always entertaining, this show.
Sandie said…
https://archive.is/2023.03.03-161208/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-meghan-evicted-frogmore-cottage-uk-king-charles-2023-0tjj5z7rv#selection-867.213-867.264

They are putting out the message that they really do not mind losing Frogmore Cottage. Of course, they made sure to put out that it was 'a gift from the Queen', implying that the King is really bad for taking it away. If the Queen wanted it to be a 'forever gift' for them, she would have offered them a long lease, like she did with two of her sons. Unfortunately, most people in the media will not join the dots and ask why when they stepped down as working royals (more like threw a tantrum and ran away), the lease they signed was only one year at a time, despite them paying for the refurbishment done to their liking.
SwampWoman said…
I'm waiting for KCIII or PoW to commission a Sussex tiara just for ILBW. The gemstone could be a pear-shaped aquamarine in the center (not too expensive, mind) with a small round aquamarine cabochon on either side. It would be known as the Sussex Blue Todger Tiara.

/Great for a Christmas gift at Sandringham.
SwampWoman said…
NeutralObserver said...
@WBBM, I was thinking of insults heaped by the Todgers on the UK as a whole, although I agree that that they have been horrible to both of their families. The wife's inexplicable, wholly transactional relationship with her own family (Doria trotted out now & again for racial cred, all others banished)is hard to bear, then she had to turn her poisonous talons on the RF.


And cruelest of all to their children, if they are real. I hope they aren't.
@Hikari,

I second every word of what you have said above.

It struck me that the timing was the best it could be. Too early and CR III might have been accused of being `too hasty' by those inclined to take a more laid-back approach; any later and the rest of us might have thought of him as a push-over, spineless and weak, fatal in king.

I hope the courtier, if it was a courtier, gets a medal for ensuring that they were granted the use of FC for only a year at a time. Something from the Royal Victorian Order, perhaps?

As for what ER II may have known of his behaviour, I can only think that he hid that from her, made sure shee never saw his dark side.
SwampWoman said…
Well, if there is mold at Royal Lodge due to a leaky roof, it needs to be addressed quickly before any more deterioration takes place. (Looking at pictures of the roof(s), it looks as though that would be a lengthy process.) Letting a problem leak in the hope that it will fix itself is never a good idea.

IF the DoY has a 75-year lease on the house, and IF KCIII just wants to seize the property for the PoW under pretext of fixing the mold, and IF KCIII cut the DoY's 'allowance' to make it impossible for him to afford to fix the roof, then I expect that the DoY will just have some workmen throw some tarps on the roof with maybe some tires to hold them in place (this is the Florida way, grin) and live there until he dies WHICH could be another 35 or so years.

OKay said…
@Sandie I'm very concerned about how mature and stoic The Duo come across in that article. Something is definitely afoot.
Is she aiming to be perceived as St Meghan Markle Martyr?

They are trying to imply Frog Cott as Freeholders that ERII presented them with the freehold of Frog Cott. Unfortunately, this is how the ignoramuses who support them choose to think.

All other forms of tenure involve a landlord who actually owns the place - as we all know that's Crown Estates, not even the monarch.

Narcs twist everything.
Rebecca said…
@Okay
I think they are desperate to attend the coronation.
Rebecca said…
This is worth reading. Another reason TOS should not be allowed to attend the coronation.

How Prince Harry's chat with guru who compared Hamas terrorists to Jews who battled the Nazis has appalled Rabbis: What DOES the Duke know about man who defended Corbyn, called for ALL drugs to be legal and who will want intimate detail of his upbringing?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11818413/What-DOES-Harry-know-toxic-trauma-therapist-Gabor-Mate-hell-opening-to.html#newcomment
Magatha Mistie said…

Lostin Face

Oh dear what could
the Mate be
Harry reliving again
his false memory
“His truth” will be told
via vile streams
Pre-approved question’s
answering his
psychedelic dreams…

Magatha Mistie said…

@WildBoar
I disagree, I reckon
ERII was well aware of
pratnacks dark side.

Sandie said…
Have you seen that, for the month of March, Elizabeth Arden will be donating 5 pounds sterling to the Prince's Trust for every 8 hour cream sold via their website? That must hurt - he creates the hype and his father's trust benefits! (Elizabeth Arden, specifically with the 8 hour cream, was a sponsor of the two expeditions hapless participated in - to the North and South Poles).
Opus said…
Oh ladies can you help me out. Harold and ILBW came up in conversation last night in the pub as did Frog Cottage, and I said that the gruesome twosome had never lived there but my friend said they had stayed for six months and after further disagreement he said that he had seen pictures of them in the kitchen at Frog Cott as well as the dog's infamous bowl. I hardly wanted to fall out with him by pulling-out my concealed weapon over this and rapidly changed the subject.

As I understood it Frog Cott is visible to prying eyes from a public footpath, no one has ever seen the Montecitos at or outside the address which in any event needed renovation and my friend is as I suggested to him confusing Frog Cott with Nott Cott. Amiright or amiright - or not?
@Magatha

It's a question of degree. I think.

She probably did - to a greater or lesser extent - but are we ever likely to know how far he really went to the Queen's certain knowledge? Was she ever heard to exclaim `How could he?! How bloody could he!!!' or words to that effect?

How many of us have engaged with malignant narcs for an extended time before realising quite just how nasty they can be? How often have we written off bad behaviour as a one off? A fluke? Perhaps he worked hard to love bomb her? Did he gaslight her? Did courtiers protect her towards the end?

The depths to which he sank were pretty unbelievable
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11820087/Prince-Harry-interview-LIVE-Gabor-Mat-speaks-Duke-Frogmore-Meghan-Andrew-King-Charles.html

Live coverage of the victim whine fest.

So far ... he says all criticism comes from those who have not read his book (so he dismisses it). He wrote it to help other people and those who read it are helped and do not criticism the book.

Delusion? Denial?

Starts off complaining about not being hugged growing up ... and the trauma of his father not hugging him when he told him his mother had died.

You would think as a grown up he would have realized that his father was in a state of profound shock in that moment, and would recall all the loving experiences he did have with his father as he was growing up.

Sandie said…
In today´s video, Lady C says the the entire family, but especially William, does not want the Todgers anywhere near them. She mentions that Frogmore is only 400 meters from PPOW´s home, Adelaide cottage, and they are not only concerned as to potential snooping etc, but also as to potential drug use and possible psycotics break-downs.

Lady C also claims that the Todgers will not be given any other royal residence, as nobody wants them near.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtEHH7ims4&ab_channel=LadyColinCampbell

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11i6i2r/lady_c_claims_that_evictus_was_due_to_concerns/

An interesting way of looking at the non-renewal of the lease, but it is feasible that the couple's toxicity played a part rather than the reason bring an act of revenge/spite.
Petunia said…
HAHAHAHA!!! Apparently Elizabeth Arden has partnered with the Prince's Trust and will be donating a portion of todger cream sales to them. KCIII is proving to be a massive troll. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11820087/Prince-Harry-interview-LIVE-Gabor-Mat-speaks-Duke-Frogmore-Meghan-Andrew-King-Charles.html

He says, basically, that when he went to therapy he started talking another language and his family could not understand or speak that language so they are estranged.

Well, that is odd ...

Completely ignores what really happened. And completely ignores the fact that Catherine not only supported her brother in therapy, but attended a session with him. And ignores the fact that his brother urged him to go to therapy in the first place.

My speculation: he is stuck in fictional trauma and thus estrangement because he is married to a woman who sees it as in her best interest for him to be estranged from his family and the life he had before he met her. Diana he is allowed to keep because she is dead and thus not a threat to her. I know, an extreme view, but this is all so strange.

By the way, the doctor is speaking to him as a therapist and his agenda is victimhood so the two are a perfect match. The doctor may regret this public gaslighting?
Girl with a Hat said…
in the headline story at the Daily Express, he says that his father's lack of physical contact when his mother died traumatized him and he has to smother his children with love.

Funny, we don't see that in the photos of you and your alleged children, Harry.

And, Charles has shown you lots of physical affection over the years, the photos to prove it are all over social media.

It's funny how one little misstep by your father can traumatize you for life, you twat!

The twit also says that he isn't seeking sympathy. ROFLOL
The DM is reporting that the odious couple are being offered a suite of rooms at Buckingham Palace as their UK base. God I hope that’s not true.
Post amended so it makes sense:

Blogger Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
`Is she aiming to be perceived as St Meghan Markle Martyr?

They are trying to imply that ERII presented them with the freehold of Frog Cott, something that was not ever within her gift. Unfortunately, this is how the ignoramuses who support them choose to think.

All other forms of tenure involve a landlord who actually owns the place - as we all know that's Crown Estates, not even the monarch.

Narcs twist everything.'
Portcitylass said…
They currently have fourteen articles in the dm with one being the top story. All the articles I read about the King or POW are mostly linked to them. I dont see this ever ending.
SwampWoman said…
Sandie said...
In today´s video, Lady C says the the entire family, but especially William, does not want the Todgers anywhere near them. She mentions that Frogmore is only 400 meters from PPOW´s home, Adelaide cottage, and they are not only concerned as to potential snooping etc, but also as to potential drug use and possible psycotics break-downs.


Yes. It isn't the Taliban but dumb prince and his stupid wife that the family thinks are psychotic and that are capable of anything, particularly when drugs are involved, and she whips him up.

That would indicate to me that the family knows how very serious that his (and stupid wife's) mental illness is that they fear their proximity. Apparently NONE of the RF want them anywhere near them.
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11820687/King-Charles-offer-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Buckingham-Palace-apartment-visit-UK.html

Oh dear, I do not think offering them Andrew's old apartment at Buckingham Palace is a good idea. They will be taking photographs, filming and recording constantly. They will 'redecorate' in Soho style and replace works of art with photos of themselves and posters. They will be a nightmare for staff, alternating love bombing with being ridiculously demanding and throwing tantrums/being passive aggressive. The children will create havoc. Have I left anything out? Oh, they will find a way to get themselves taxpayer-funded security and a chauffered car every time they step out of the Palace.

I suppose the King could give them a list of rules to follow!

Adelaide Cottage sounds perfect for Eugenie and Jack and their family, but it will take quite a while before Royal Lodge is ready for occupation by the Prince and Princess of Wales and their children. As for Andrew, he should embrace the benefits of downgrading to Frogmore Cottage. Maybe they knew this was coming and that is why his daughters bought that place in London - for their mother.

The article claims that talks about this 'housing shuffle' started when the late Queen was still alive.
Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11ib5a4/kc3_the_distant_father/

Some photos of Charles with his sons.

The idiot Prince has completely lost touch with reality.
Let's not forget that not only has H trodden heavily on the toes of the Taliban but that some of their acquaintances may be considered a little too close to Irish Republicans of various tendencies for comfort, to say nothing of sponging off dubious oligarchs who might expect quid pro quo. Furthermore, a Sikh has just been convicted under a Treason Act for intending to assassinate the late Queen with a crossbow (he has yet to be sentenced).

Also, H has published maps which compromise the security of at least 2 other royal residences.

These are just the security breaches we know about, all easily classed as `giving succour to the enemy' In the Small wonder they are being pushed as far away as possible.

@Opus: Interesting point. I can't think of any copper-bottomed evidence that they ever were at Frogcott for any length of time at all. There were rumours of the cops driving an intoxicated * home from inebriated wanderings in the Great Park or Windsor town centre.

Only the televised interviews following Archie's arrival showed footage shot in identifiable locations at Windsor Castle - H in the stable yard & the CNN interview inside the Castle and the event with Jane Goodall. We have seen no other hard evidence.

For the rest of it, they told us that they were at Frog Cott, doing the return journey to the Portland Hospital in a near-incredibly short time and claiming a large number of Magi, sorry, celebrities, coming to adore the miraculous child (overhead star be blowed, Archie arrived with the dawn, as befitted the New Day Spring from on High.)

Has anyone seen any real evidence?
Excellent summary of Lady C's take on it, posted by u/daisybeach 23 on St Meghan Markle at:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11i9c2b/lady_c_tea_youtube_3423_a_few_nuggets_paraphrased/
Girl with a Hat said…
@Golden Retriever,

I was under the impression that it was for the next visit only, not a permanent apartment.
Humor Me said…
@rebecca - Of course they are desperate to attend the coronation. And now KCIII has thrown in room at BP to boot! Their entire financial future is linked to the RF despite H not receiving one pence from his father from the day of Megxit forward. Their ability to monetize the Rf relationship is their future. Going to the cornation and being booed is part of that.
I got a hoot out of H's comment that he does not see himself as a victim!
Gee whiz - that was the litany of why they left (and privacy). H&M are victims of the RF - and the booing at the coronation will solidify that fantasy. KCIII is playing them well - my son and his wife living their lives overseas. KCIII is making them want to come back.
Ye Gods and Little Fishes!!! This all looks horribly believable:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11i9fyl/cdan_saysmegs_loves_a_curtsy_and_use_of_her_title/

Rebecca said…
From The Times:

Prince Harry bares his oozing stigmata yet again

Camilla Long

Imagine being a time traveller from the medieval period. Imagine you have landed in 2023. Imagine thinking: “And how do the noble kings at the top of this golden and wondrous society inspire and guide their subjects?”

And flicking through some online stuff, and seeing: “Prince Harry will unpack his trauma live in an ‘intimate conversation’ with Dr Gabor Maté.”

What is happening?

Why is he doing this?

Hasn’t ol’ frosty pecker unpacked his trauma enough?

It was the “live” bit that made me bellow — as if, after all these years, after Megxit, the mercy flight (plus dogs) to Canada, Tyler Perry, Oprah, the Ripple of Hope Award, anxiety, pain, racism, “archetyping”, and now, this week, the Frogmore Slap — the couple have told us they are actually “OK” with being booted out of Windsor — Harry thinks we STILL need to see yet more blood oozing from the tastefully airbrushed royal stigmata.

It’s quite some arrogance, that.

Harry’s trauma livestream, a one-hour live therapy session slash interview arranged by his publisher with the Hungarian-Canadian psychologist Gabor Maté, is the latest mutation in the Harry-Meghan suffering industrial complex.

The marketing was: you’ve read the book, you’ve seen the television series, you can experience the Royal Raindrop’s pure, uncut trauma and collapse in real time, before watching him build himself up again with the help of a rockstar therapist in a single hour. If that ain’t a Victorian circus freakshow act, I don’t know what is.

Watching the live feed was extraordinary, like seeing Prince Harry being brainwashed live on global television. Whatever Dr Maté said, Harry automatically agreed, capitulated, hung on every single breath — even let him read out some nonsense German poem — at one point even saying to Maté, “correct me if I’m wrong”. It was like watching a prince being put under a spell.

Sitting opposite each other in yet another of the many bizarrely accoutred podcasting bungalows that seem to clog Harry’s part of California, Harry was dressed in a sort of Shane Warne memorial golf dinner outfit: taupe jacket, taupe jumper, taupe shoes. Only his trousers — navy chinos — suggested he’d ever been to England.

Maté appeared in shades of “Buddhist Dad in crisis” olive green. On his fingers were many rings — never trust a man with man jewellery. He began the session with a Latin definition: “vulnerare”, he cooed, “is to wound”. He invited Harry to talk about his childhood. Or at least, Harry said a few things about not getting hugs, and Maté nodded in approval, but when Harry suggested in some ways he’d had an “incredible childhood”, he shook his head solemnly.

“It was a story of deprivation.”

Harry looked chastened.

When Maté read Harry’s book he was horrified. He saw a “little child” who was utterly abandoned, “born into a marriage where there was a lack of love”, born to a father (“Charles”) who himself had been “bullied mercilessly”, born into a family “where people are not held and held”, he said. And what are children born into such families? “Animals”.

Animals. Even Harry was silenced.
Rebecca said…
I’d never heard of Gabor Maté before this glossy fireside pile-on, but to say Harry was no match for this strident, stern, overbearing literal merchant of pain — albeit one with a million Instagram followers — would be an understatement. He invited Harry to see pain in almost everything, even one of the happiest times of his life: serving in Afghanistan. Immediately he let Harry know that he disagreed with the war, and instead of saying he was proud to serve, the prince quickly said: “There were a lot of us who didn’t necessarily agree or disagree but you were doing what you were sent to do”.

Imagine the power Maté must feel — this British royal bent at the knee, cringed, rolled over, accepted nearly every single one of his diagnoses. In the course of the chat, Maté diagnosed Harry with PTSD, ADD, depression, anxiety and panic disorder, plus much more.

I don’t often feel bad for Prince Harry — he is unflinching, unlikeable, unbending on television, evangelical and humourless in tone. But he’s mesmerised now, and he cannot get out of it, and it is rather sad to watch.

One of Maté’s main beliefs is that humans are born in total innocence and purity and that it is this toxic world that wounds people, or vulnerares them, as I should now say. But I wonder what Maté thinks creates this “toxic culture”? Does it occur to him, for example, that many people might be driven to great pain and needless suffering by watching two, unprepossessing, not very talented seven out of tenners in business/casual taupe scrap about titles then claim how wounded they are, while accusing people of being racist and raking in millions in cash?

If Maté wants to know what a toxic culture actually is, he’s sitting right in front of it, enabling it, being an active participant.
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Sandie said…
The DM article about offering them Andrew's vacated apartment in BP - I got the impression that the apartment would be theirs to use whenever they are in the UK. The article is by Kate Mansey and Charlotte Griffiths ... they are seasoned royal reporters.

At last TBW gets to live in a Palace! She will soon be redecorating, bossing everyone around and basically taking over. And she will just love impressing people by inviting them over to the Palace for tea and woke dinner parties. She does not respect the boundaries of others. King Charles will rue the day ... mark my words!

For TBW, this is the best thing that could happen. For the rest of the family ... total madness! For us, plenty of gossip ... just when we thought we had heard and seen everything!
Maneki Neko said…
@Sandie

Adelaide Cottage sounds perfect for Eugenie and Jack and their family

William and Catherine currently live in Adelaide Cottage but there's been a bit of reshuffling of royal residences so I may have missed something.

Humor Me said…
@girl with a hat - exactly. What I read was not a permanent residence in BP, but rooms made available for when they visit the UK. Can your imagine *??? with a permanent residence in BP? They would not be able to pry her out with a crowbar.
Girl with a Hat said…
Word has it that the harkles “eviction” from Frogmore was for the physical safety of The Prince and Princess of Wales and their children. Harry and TW are now considered very unstable and possibly dangerous to the RF.

https://twitter.com/ArabellaRober19/status/1632093781716529155

Rebecca said…
Giving Them access to BP is a terrible idea. You know they will take full advantage and photograph/film every inch of the place. I would also be very concerned about the possibility of theft of precious objects by Her.

I really hope the report is false.
Rebecca said…
From the NYPost:

Prince Harry, the oversharing trauma queen, now insists he’s not a ‘victim’

Prince Harry has made the most shocking claim since he’s left royal life.

“I certainly don’t see myself as a victim,” he told Gabor Mate, the renowned Hungarian-Canadian physician and author in an online therapy session to plug his cringey memoir “Spare.”

It’s a rather hollow sentiment considering the royal has spent his last three years claiming the “poor me” title of Duke of Roadkill from the House of Windsor.

In a multimedia effort, he’s chronicled every sin committed against him by his cold, distant, racist family — and of course, the media.

But now, Harry, who clearly read every scathing review from all corners of the press, is reframing his tawdry tell-alls.

He called his perpetual oversharing an “act of service,” attaching virtue and charity to systematically and publicly tossing his family under the bus.

In this, Harry’s latest journey into his well-tread mental inner sanctum, the price of entry was a cool $37.15. Viewers received an hour and a half of psychobabble buzzwords discernible only to people who use the phrase, “lived experience.”

At times, it seemed I was watching a fierce competition between two grown men to see who could employ the word “trauma” more.

Yes, it was a trauma-pa-looza.

First, the good doctor noted that Harry suffered from not being cuddled and hugged as a child. As a result, Harry said, he “smothers” his kids with love.

Harry said he’s always felt different from his family and was not interested in erudite pursuits. He thrived on the rugby field and in wilderness. And he said the military was a good place for him because the armed forces “tends to recruit people from broken homes.”

They talked about drugs: Harry dabbled in cocaine. He said marijuana helped him, and Ayahuasca assisted in clearing the “windshield.”

But this wasn’t all an empty, exploitative exercise.

Mate unwittingly opened a fascinating window into Prince Harry’s mind when he offered him numerous mental health diagnoses.

These clinical assessments were based off the doc’s reading of “Spare.”

Instantly, Harry lit up at the prospect of piling more onto his stack of issues to be worked out in therapy, his favorite sport.

Mate said Harry has ADD. And fittingly as the conversation starts to meander into other areas (as ADD will make you do), Harry kept interrupting. He wanted Mate to finish the list, giggling like a child at Christmas.

Mate noted that Harry has depression, agoraphobia, anxiety and post-traumatic stress injury. Not post-traumatic stress disorder. Language matters.

Whatever words you want to use, there’s one clear conclusion: Prince Harry is addicted to trauma, whether real or imagined.

He and his wife Meghan Markle quite literally live in a house that trauma built — a $14.7 million Montecito retreat — paid for by trading on his family turmoil and his childhood tragedies.

There is a point where Harry and Mate discuss how acknowledging trauma helps trigger the process of healing.

But it’s clear that Prince Harry doesn’t want to move on or close old wounds.

Being injured and aggrieved is the ginger prince’s most comfortable place and sadly, what he views as his most valuable resource.

Yes, the “T” word to him is like a warm bed on a cold, rainy morning.

And he’s not moving.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Rebecca,

there's one diagnosis that Gabor Mate didn't give which is the most obvious:

paranoia.
Rebecca said…
I suspect the stories about Twit and ILBW getting digs in BP come from them. This headline in the DM would seem to point to that:

Charles 'will NEVER build real relationship with Archie and Lili unless Harry and Meghan get new royal home': Sussexes 'to get Andrew's Buckingham Palace apartment' after Frogmore eviction made it 'incredibly complicated for family to visit Britain again'
Sandie said…
@Rebecca
Thanks for the article from NY Post. It sums up my opinions on the interaction with the doctor perfectly. The article from The Times is also excellent.

For those who think a hugely popular doctor 'must be right' - Hitler got an entire nation to follow him into unbelievably destructive madness. An extreme example I know, but my conclusion is that the doctor is extremely toxic. Of course he speaks truth about 'wounding', but he glorifies it instead of giving people the tools to overcome and let go. This is especially important when people have fixed beliefs that are set in childhood but are inaccurate. The belief that hapless has about never being hugged by his father is inaccurate. There are many photographs in the public domain that show that. Surely the best thing a therapist can do for a 'victim' is to show them that they are being influenced by a false belief?

@Maneki Neko
What has been reported is that Andrew will move to Frogmore Cottage, William and his family will move into Royal Lodge, and Eugenie will be offered Adelaide Cottage.

I’m late with an update from Lady C’s latest news. I’ve just had laser surgery on my eyes…so I’m not about.

The duo have been evicted from Frogmore Cottage, plans were in the pipeline before Mole’s book was released. The royal family were waiting for the releases of the book but Random House refused BP’s request for an early preview, but lucky for BP the Spanish leak was enough for BP to serve the Duo their eviction notice to our by June 2023. 😁

Seeing and hearing the lies the Duo have uttered in public, and the abuse and terrible things said and done in private, fears about security for the royal family being anywhere near the pair is now not advisable. Drugs and unpredictable behaviour is the concern. William and Catherine do not want to be anywhere the duo could harm them or their children, take photographs and/or put them in physical harm. 🫣🥺

Going on the above, I doubt very much the duo will be given access of a royal home at least to live. I therefore believe the BP story to be a puff PR piece from Maggot and Mole. The leak about the eviction from Frogmore Cottage came from them according to Lady C.

Harry&Meghan threats to Camilla, William &family's safety behind evictio...

https://youtu.be/rHtEHH7ims4
@Girl with a hat

I believe the report/rumor that booting them out of Windsor is being done in large part to protect the Waleses.
William and Kate must be relieved.
Maneki Neko said…
@Rebecca

Thank you for the Times article. Good grief! And I thought ILBW was bad! A maleficent witch who had bewitched H and subjugated him. She has nothing on that Gabor Maté. And H falls for it, hook, line and sinker. In the DM, a headline said H said cannabis helped his mental health. I dread for think what would have happened if it had made it worse, as I believe it generally does. There's no hope for him.
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I really hope Charles does not offer them the BP apartment. The DM article says may. This sounds like something the duo have put out to try and force Charles's hand. I think what gives it away is the fact they said 'Archie and Lili may not have a close relationship with the King'. Emotional blackmail. Note 'the King', not Charles or 'their grandfather' - if these are indeed their own words.
Maneki Neko said…
'That's not racist, because even black people want to know how brown the baby going to be!': Chris Rock slams Meghan Markle for telling Oprah royal family was racist - and says it was 'just some in-law s**t'

* Chris Rock berated the Duchess of Sussex for her claims of racism in his live stand-up special Saturday night
* He noted that 'even black people want to know how brown' her child with Prince Harry would be and said she won the 'light-skinned lottery'
* Rock also claimed that most of what she was complaining about in her now infamous interview with Oprah was 'just some in-law s***'
* It was the second time in just one month that Markle was publicly mocked on television following a recent South Park episode

Ha ha ha! Mocked by a fellow American and black to boot. Well done! Bring it on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11822249/Chris-Rock-slams-Meghan-Markle-telling-Oprah-royal-family-racist.html
Maneki Neko said…
In the DM

* Prince Harry, 38, is speaking with 'toxic trauma' therapist Gabor Maté
* He has praised his wife Meghan Markle for being an 'exceptional human being'

'toxic trauma' therapist Gabor Maté - shouldn't it be toxic 'trauma therapist' Gabor Maté, with the adjective 'toxic' applying to the word therapist and not trauma?? I bet * found him and pushed him in He's direction.

As for wifey being an 'exceptional human being', exceptional in what way? He didn't expand on that but said he was ’eternally grateful for the wisdom and the space that she's been able to give to me.' I think his definition of wisdom and space must be different from mine. If that's what he truly believes there's no hope for him.
The Buckingham Palace apartment story sounds fake to me, it just comes from `sources'. So much is presented within quotation marks.

How long is it now since she was banned from royal premises unless under strict supervision? The Palace experienced having a paranoid dictator as a guest when the Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceaușescu, came on a state visit and his goons stripped historic wall paper from the walls looking for bugs, so goodness knows what she'd do, whether in a frenzy or by cold plotting with some of their dangerous near-acquaintances.

As for the `cult of grand-parenthood' I see that as fostered for commercial reasons - think of all the granny-focussed giftware. I used to visit primary school as part of my job - so much evidence of projects about `My Granny'. Yeah, I know they bear a lot of the burden of childcare here but what about the poor kids who may not have had a grandparent left? Only one of mine survived into my lifetime and we hardly ever saw her - she died when I was 5.
Is Netflix back pedalling?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/chris-rock-questions-meghan-markle-082601919.html

`Chris Rock questions Meghan Markle’s ‘racism claims’ against royal family in Netflix stand-up show'

He sees it as normal interaction with in-laws but she has racialised it.
Sandie said…
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11iqjul/kc3_the_distant_grandfather_that_harry_is_now/

Photos of Charles with his children and step grandchildren in above post.

So, they could not have a relationship with his family or let Charles see his grandchildren while they had Frogmore Cottage. No, they have to move into BP for that.

This is going to get interesting folks ...
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11822249/Chris-Rock-slams-Meghan-Markle-telling-Oprah-royal-family-racist.html

Chris Rock hits the nail on the head - all the drama, the racism claims (which she definitely made and he has made in many ways) ... normal and not about race ...

* He noted that 'even black people want to know how brown' her child with Prince Harry would be and said she won the 'light-skinned lottery'
* Rock also claimed that most of what she was complaining about in her now infamous interview with Oprah was 'just some in-law s***'
Sandie said…
@WBBM
I see you had posted a link to the article about Chris Rock.

Without saying it directly, he points out that the problem is with the duo!
Maneki Neko said…
@Sandie

Thanks for the correction, I did miss the fact that William will move into Royal Lodge with all the 'musical' residences being played. In my defense, this must be brain fog (covid induced, unfortunately).

H is really disingenuous if he claims a lack of hugging when he was young. Diana was very tactile and did hug her son's. I'm sure H being the younger one was probably more hugged and kissed than William. I think his cannabis self-medicating has given him selective memory.
Sandie said…
I also find the DM story about them being given Andrew's old apartment in BP pretty astonishing. But the two reporters who wrote it have integrity. They do not make stuff up nor nor let themselves be used by Sussex plants.

Is the clue in how they refer to sources, as @Maneki Neko and @WBBM point out?

However, consider that William and Catherine got the full brunt of the chaos making victims at KP, and the late Queen saw more of them since Megxit than anyone else. Other than joining Charles at Castle Mey (sp?) , before Archie was even born, Charles has not really spent time with the couple, alone or together. He is thus far more likely to be sentimental and be a generous 'Christian' monarch. He may also have devised a plan to keep them in line. Here are my suggestions for that:

* Hand over your phones and any devices with a camera or microphone when you enter the premises. If anyone in America needs to contact you, they can do so through the king's office.

* You will be restricted to the apartments, so no wandering around the Palace. If you want a tour, please arrange beforehand with the King's staff.

* Decide on a menu before you even arrive and the kitchen staff will prepare and deliver meals. There will be a fridge in the apartment that will be stocked with snacks.

* Please inform the housekeeper when you leave and return to the apartment, even if it is to go for a walk in the garden.

Can anyone think of anything else?
Maneki Neko said…
@Sandie

Wild Boar's link to the Chris Rock article is to Yahoo news and the article is the same one as the DM one I mentioned. I think Chris Rock clearly points out that the problem is with *, in fact he takes the proverbial out of her: “Like who is this girl Meghan Markle?” he started, adding: “Seems like a nice lady – just complaining. Like didn’t she hit the light-skinned lottery?”

He mocked her claims to Winfrey, saying as Markle: “They’re so racist, they’re so racist.”

I think he's got it right and they can't accuse him of being racist...

@Manekinek - Thank goodness she is `exceptional' - one of her is more than enough! Imagine if there were so many like her that she didn't sand out.

@Sandie -We need more like Chris Rock.
SwampWoman said…
If they are too dangerous to the PPoW and their children to stay at Frogmore Cottage, why would they suddenly be any better people at BP? Something smells like male bovine excrement to me. Now they are openly threatening to remove access to the invisikids if they aren't given what they want? How is this supposed to make them into sympathetic characters? Blackmail is a crime even if there are the hairplugs and fingerprints of the petulant balding ginger and his badly wigged ILBW all over it.

As private citizens, we would reserve hotel rooms for a short visit to the UK. If we had bodyguards, we'd book hotel rooms for them as well. If we were important enough to require a bodyguard or 10, we'd probably have a person employed to do that. Oh, the horrendous complications.
SwampWoman said…
Maneki Neko said...
@Sandie

Thanks for the correction, I did miss the fact that William will move into Royal Lodge with all the 'musical' residences being played. In my defense, this must be brain fog (covid induced, unfortunately).

H is really disingenuous if he claims a lack of hugging when he was young. Diana was very tactile and did hug her son's. I'm sure H being the younger one was probably more hugged and kissed than William. I think his cannabis self-medicating has given him selective memory.


If I were the speculating sort, I would speculate that PPoW would move into Frogmore House (which would be an excellent reason to perform an exorcism of the cottage).
Girl with a Hat said…
from a comment over at CDAN:

Be aware of another round of "William & Rose affair", sugars got caught posting about the planning on Twitter. Retaliation for Froggybottom eviction perhaps.
Teasmade said…
I saw a brief clip of Chris Rock, the part where he's discounting"racism." I believe he's speaking as himself, and not as a mouthpiece of Netflix. It's just a happy coincidence that that's where he was broadcast.

Let me go look for it, in case anyone hasn't seen it. Here's one (where the poster hasn't bothered to check spelling, ha):
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1632388550158168064

Happy Camper said…
SwampWoman said…
Now they are openly threatening to remove access to the invisikids if they aren't given what they want?

@SwampWoman:
The answer to your question is a resounding yes. This is TBW weaponizing the kids as hostages, pawns and bargaining chips. They have many uses to her not only against Charles, but against Harry too. This is typical behavior for a narcissist.

I have a friend who is a former work colleague whose son is married to a woman who is a profound narcissist. The son and the narc DIL live about 20 miles from my friend. Over the last 25 years, I have watched her be continually drained of her financial resources by her manipulative daughter-in-law who has basically made her pay money to have access to her two granddaughters.

When my friend is short on funds, the daughter-in-law claimed they were “busy” and not able to see granny, but if my friend offered to take them shopping out to a restaurant, they were magically available.

When the girls were young, the DIL cooked up extravagant week-long trips to places like Disney World, Universal Studios, Hawaii and to Colorado for skiing for the daughter-in-law, my friend’s son and their girls. The DIL demanded my friend pay for the trips if my friend wanted to come with them to be able to spend time with the grandkids. Unfortunately, my friend paid the money. My friend paid for a kitchen and a bath renovation because she knew if she didn’t, she would not see the girls.

My friend’s son who is married to this woman resembles Harry in that he is completely under the DIL’s control. She has broken him emotionally so thoroughly he is more of a slave than a husband. The DIL expected lavish Christmas and birthday gifts for herself and the girls, and of course, if my friend wanted to be invited to these family gatherings, not only did she have to cough up expensive gifts, she had to pay for the party too. The DIL will invite granny out to a family dinner, but my friend is expected to pick up the tab, and unfortunately she always paid because if she didn’t pay, she wouldn’t see her grandkids for months as payback.

As the girls grew older, the DIL would speak badly of my friend to the girls, who were led to believe granny had “lots of money” that she refused to spend on them. As the girls got older and left their parents’ home to enter adult life, they have both realized what a horrible person their mother is and how their father is completely under her control. My friend, who is well into her 80s now, knows that her son has been emotionally abused and manipulated by the DIL, but she is powerless to do anything about it. It is his choice to stay in the marriage. He has no friends as she made sure they were cut off in the first years of their marriage.

Myself and other friends who also worked with her have brought it to her attention that her DIL is a narcissist and a generally horrible person. She already knew it, but she says she coughed up the money because she loves her granddaughters and wanted to have a relationship with them, which is understandable. All of us knew the her predicament she was in, but it was still sad to see it play out. It is not as bad now because the girls are adults and she sees them apart from the DIL because they have their own lives and both daughters keep their mother at a distance.

Meghan has essentially set up some form of this model with Charles. She also likely already tacitly uses the kids as hostages, pawns, and bargaining chips against Harry. At some level, Harry knows she will do everything in her power to get full custody of the kids if they ever split up. She will attempt to make it as difficult as possible for him to see them while simultaneously poisoning their minds against him. She may be portraying daddy in a negative light via her interactions with him at home.

Girl with a Hat said…
Rebel Wilson and her mother visited the 5's and the mother asked where the children were.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11822089/Rebel-Wilson-reveals-awkward-encounter-Meghan-Markle.html

Of course, if they are bedding down in BP. it'd be easier to arrest them/get them sectioned (fear of a crazy hurting someone else was grounds for this).

I'd like to see them both arrested, tried & convicted for treason and sentenced to Broadmoor or Rampton, special hospitals in the prison system where they could be detained until they are deemed safe to release. Or keep him in custody, receiving treatment, while she is ejected permanently from the kingdom and Commonwealth.

They'd claim to be political prisoners, of course.

.........

Apart from that questionable Christening photo, have we seen any hard and fast evidence of a former or pre-existing relationship between CR III with and the Harkle kids? Perhaps some genetic testing could be one of the conditions for staying in Buck House, to be done here by trusted staff. I'd include H in that as well.
Maneki Neko said…
As per the DM, the duo "fear 'appearing an irrelevance' if they do not attend King Charles' Coronation later this year, royal experts say". So what or who do they think they are if not an irrelevance? They're nobodies really, just private (although always courting publicity) citizens. They're not needed in the RF. Is this their excuse/explanation for needing to attend the Coronation? Or do they attend the Coronation - if indeed they do - to support Charles? The Coronation is about Charles being anointed King, not those two clowns.

'So the dilemma is theirs. They won’t be missed if they don’t come by much of the British public. However if they don’t they risk appearing an irrevelance and polls in America have shown a seismic drop in their support.. They've just shown this is all they're worried about, their perceived image and their ratings. Don't worry, H&*, you won't be any more relevant if you attend than if you stay away. You'll only be there as family members, not royals. Hopefully, a very large candle strategically situated will have top billing in the congregation🕯

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11822917/Charles-spotted-time-emerged-Harry-Meghan-invited-Coronation.html
If they do come to the Coronation, their image will only sink lower.
xxxxx said…
By MELISSA KOENIG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 00:29 EST, 5 March 2023


'That's not racist, because even black people want to know how brown the baby going to be!': Chris Rock slams Meghan Markle for telling Oprah royal family was racist - and says it was 'just some in-law s**t'
Chris Rock berated the Duchess of Sussex for her claims of racism in his live stand-up special Saturday night

He noted that 'even black people want to know how brown' her child with Prince Harry would be and said she won the 'light-skinned lottery'
Rock also claimed that most of what she was complaining about in her now infamous interview with Oprah was 'just some in-law s***'
It was the second time in just one month that Markle was publicly mocked on television following a recent South Park episode

Comedian Chris Rock slammed Meghan Markle in his new stand-up special Saturday night for her now infamous interview with Oprah Winfrey.

Markle, 41, had told Winfrey last year how she felt isolated from the other members of the royal family, claiming they were being racist against her and even sharing a story about how one senior member of the family questioned how dark-skinned her baby would be.

But in his live stand-up show, Selective Outrage, Rock berated the Duchess of Sussex for her claims of racism, saying she was instead just dealing with internal family drama and noting that she won the 'light-skinned lottery.'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11822249/Chris-Rock-slams-Meghan-Markle-telling-Oprah-royal-family-racist.html
Rebecca said…
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Rebecca said…
These people are all revolting.

Godfather duties! Tyler Perry arrives in Montecito on $125M private jet to visit his former lodgers Meghan Markle and Prince Harry - after Sussexes refused to say if they'll attend King Charles' coronation
Girl with a Hat said…
hilarious twitter thread speculating about how Charles worded the invitation to the Coronation.

https://twitter.com/Knesix/status/1632465780372635648

My favourite is the one that is signed off : "Your (possible) Pa"
Maneki Neko said…
@Rebecca

Yes, I know. Tyler Perry flying from LA to Santa Barbara! Admittedly, after visiting the gruesome twosome, he flew to Atlanta. I wonder what warranted a visit, did they need something from him?
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And now Charles is offering to let the duo stay in Frog Cott of they condescend to grace the RF and the UK with their presence at the coronation. I suppose it's the safest option, away from everybody else and no sneaky photos of BP etc. Apparently their belongings have been packed and sent to the US so I don't know how they'll be able to stay in an unfurnished house. I hope Charles is not weakening.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11823801/Prince-told-Meghan-use-Frogmore-Cottage-accept-invitation-Kings-Coronation.html
Girl with a Hat said…
Yes, #MeghanMarkle did fake a pregnancy during the Late Queen's funeral. She is that sick.

Lady C said her people were spreading the word to media outlets hoping one of them would jump on it. They didn’t. They gave respect to the Late Queen.


https://twitter.com/NaomiSky_15/status/1632463118348726272
Rebecca said…
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Teasmade said…
GWAH: Wonder if/when that ridiculous Sunshine Sachs-promoted miscarriage story will ever be revealed to be made up as well.
Girl with a Hat said…
haha

Lady C says in her latest video:

From Invictus to Evictus.

LOL
Rebecca said…
From The Times:

Dopey Harry does his followers a disservice
The prince’s suggestion that recreational drug use offers a pathway to mental health is dangerous and repellant

By Libby Purves

I really don’t want to write about Prince Harry again, but bear with me — this matters. Let him mourn his mother, attack his family, damn the media and praise his wife; let him make his own mind up about the Coronation because it really doesn’t matter. Applaud his backing for therapy and military trauma victims; admire, if you will, his fine if costless speeches about the environment. But in his talk with the bizarre Dr Gabor Maté, he crossed a line many like me will find hard to forgive.

He was talking about having a troubled mind and “distorted self” as he grew up, caused not only by bereavement but “my environment and society”. Fine, we all have our private resentments.

But the line was crossed when he cheerfully described how he became the marvel of contentment he is now, speaking warmly of mind-altering drugs. Not only the hallucinogens which “cleaned the windscreen” of his mind — something Dr Maté is famously keen on — but a more workaday cannabis habit over many years from schooldays onwards. Cocaine he dismisses as merely social, but says: “Marijuana is different. That actually really did help me.”

Down slams the portcullis. Chucking out this specific carefree advocacy in a global forum is so irresponsible that even Harry should see it. To write candidly about recreational and illegal drugs in an autobiography is allowable, especially when the world’s media knew about it already. But to offer cannabis and hallucinogens as a rebalancing cure for mental troubles is not.

Think about it. There are schoolboys everywhere who feel troubled, distorted, confused and angry at their families or their lot. Sometimes it is mere adolescent turmoil, sometimes they really are neglected or poor.

It is not easy to emerge into manhood in a time of fast-changing, angry opinions, screenfuls of violence, porn and envy, and ominous predictions about the difficulty of finding a home and a living. Parents may be in conflict and teachers, also battered by change and daily difficulties, might not provide enough reassurance and hope. Your peer group may be full of boys swaggering with bravado and girls inaccessible or accusing. You may have as troubled a mind as Harry ever did. And you are offered drugs every day.

Not only do post-Sixties people talk of them as harmless fun, now here’s a prince saying they “actually really help”: magic mushrooms clear the mental windscreen and cannabis does the rest. Wow! He must know! He’s famous, handsome, healthy, lives in a Californian mansion and earns millions of dollars from Netflix and publishers (without even doing the writing himself). He flies on private jets to polo matches but is admired for his environmentalism. He has a beautiful and adoring wife, two healthy little children and some dogs and chickens. Nobody can order him about any more.
Rebecca said…
No wonder — despite media grinches like us — he has a following of envious admirers. And now he confides that the journey from feeling miserable and different like you to that happy manly freedom was assisted by weed — the same stuff you were offered on the school bus only yesterday.

Of course not every boy will see it that way, but enough will. We have always seen rock stars with a drug habit, but witnessed many of them either die or kick it and turn into country gents. Even they don’t usually prescribe cannabinoids as a positive cure for sadness and confusion. Some talk of fighting a painful battle. Others, like Sir Elton John, have the decency to admit they were plain horrible people for a long time (the c-word is how he puts it).

What Harry has done with these few lethally casual words is different. Rather than saying it was “good fun” or a regrettable lapse into a harmless weakness, he credited being a stoner with positively helping his mental health.

If that message drives even a few of his admirers towards it, some will do all right but others will end up not in a Montecito paradise but in dead trouble. Cannabis diminishes efficiency, attention and memory. It can produce paranoia and anxiety and the craving for more to alleviate it. It edges you towards criminality.

Stoned drivers are twice as likely to crash cars, sometimes killing people. Only one in ten regular users gets dependent to the point of suffering withdrawal but if you start in your mid-teens that proportion rises to one in six.

The risk of real psychosis is also clear — even without adding, like Harry, the obvious risk of hallucinogens. We have known for 30 years that frequent teenage users triple their risk of schizophrenia. That Swedish survey was disputed and the threefold risk is still, thank God, a small percentage.

But more recent work by researchers at King’s College London and the University of Bristol found evident changes in the brain of heavy users, particularly of the new, stronger strains.

Many of us know, in wide acquaintance, young adults visibly damaged, reduced or institutionalised by drug use which began with defiant recreational puffs. Not all suffer, but it’s a lottery. And, cool reader, just because you and your mates apparently survived is no excuse for smugness.

I might personally add that once you have lived alongside a naturally occurring psychosis and lost a son to it — with no drugs involved at all — the idea of anyone’s healthy, mixed-up kid gambling with their brain chemistry is horrifying. And the sight of a supposed mental health campaigner using a global platform to advocate it is downright repellent.
Sandie said…
Do you think there is a mole at the Palace? Kate Mansey and Charlotte Griffiths are reporters at the DM and both have integrity. The story about the duo getting an apartment at BP comes from them, and they got it from a 'palace source'. If the source was a known Sussex person, they would have said so.

@GWAH
Thanks for the tea about the fake pregnancy at the funeral. I can believe it. I have predicted that she will do the pregnancy show for the coronation.

Tyler Perry: Supposedly he changed into a suit in between landing in LA and getting in a vehicle to be driven to Mudslide Manor. Do you think they did a hasty christening of Lilli? (Perry is the godfather but said he would not attend a royal christening in the UK.) Lilli cannot be in the line of succession if she has not been christened, and perhaps the King has asked for proof?
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11823945/Prince-Harrys-words-cause-huge-harm-says-psychiatrist-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html

Scathing criticism from a psychiatrist.

But he is getting blow back from all over the place, from professionals working in the field ... not only for his reckless comments about drug use, but also the diagnosis from the doctor of ADHD, among other things, from reading a ghost written book (and watching The Crown), without even meeting the patient, never mind doing a proper evaluation ... and so on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11823943/Anti-drug-campaigners-blast-Prince-Harry-sending-worrying-message-young-people.html

He is a walking disaster. It is quite bizarre how he will deny saying something because it is generating bad publicity for them, and thinks that a simple statement from him 'will do the trick'.


Sandie said…
Deuxmoux says she was spotted having lunch here (connected to Soho House):

https://www.cecconiswesthollywood.com/
Sandie said…
The Body Language Guy pointed out that hapless had dilated pupils in the encounter with the doctor. Barkjack had this to say, not necessarily about hapless:

Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
Stimulants like Ritalin & Adderall, are common treatment of attention-deficit hyperactive disorders (ADHD). Ritalin & Adderall cause pupils to dilate.

Adderall a 'daily GO TO' for MANY bigtime actors in Hollywood. Actors use it competitively to stay up all night studying lines
-----

Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
The competition, so high in Hollywood.

Actors compete for big time parts with little or no time (mere days notice) to memorize paragraphs of dialogue for audition. Adderall is abused as a sad "advantage".

Adderall is rampant in Hollywood.
But, not just among actors, among many.

https://twitter.com/BarkJack_/status/1632455214807543808

And this ...

Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
Rubbish that Harkles offered Buckingham Palace amid security concern!

Our scoop stands: Frogmore remains "available" to H&M to end of Coronation

To be seen if they re-locate Archie's b-day & their UK accommodation. (Not BP!)

Staying away from the Estate, becoming more likely!
-----

Theresa Longo Fans
@BarkJack_
To say the pair were caught surprised by #Frogxit is true! Us and our followers were aware they had actually planned to host Archie's birthday there.

Speculation today is H&M may plan a more celeb-filled party for A, & take that party elsewhere, at that!
Maneki Neko said…
There's a very good article in the DM by an NHS psychiatrist who writes regularly. I don't imagine anyone with mental health problems would listen to Harry, who now acts like an expert in the field. As for his therapist, that G Maté, anyone with problems should give him a wide berth.

Here are some excerpts but the whole article is well worth a read. TheRF, Charles in particular, would do well to read it.

He speaks about using drugs that are illegal in this country, proclaiming the benefits he has enjoyed from cannabis and hallucinogenics such as ayahuasca. It’s hugely irresponsible.

Harry plainly has no understanding of the serious damage these substances can wreak on users – damage that I see on mental health hospital wards with upsetting frequency.

If he was any other celebrity, we could safely ignore him. But this is a man who uses his platform as a member of the Royal Family and sets himself up as a serious advocate for mental health policies.

No one has asked him to do this. He has adopted this course of action for his own reasons – and he seems to think that, since he doesn’t regret his own choices with drug use, these must be good for everyone.

The truth is he has such a narrow experience of life, limited by wealth, fame and privilege, that he cannot begin to guess what disastrous effect drugs can have on people in different circumstances.

Speaking objectively, from a distance, he doesn’t look to me like a great advert for marijuana, cocaine or anything else.

He appears neither particularly happy nor stable. Looking at the recent outcomes of his life, he has left his home country, broken off relations with members of his family, seems distanced from his friends back home and no longer has an Army career.
...
Harry is an example of what medical researchers call ‘N=1’. That’s a fancy way of saying his experiences are wholly anecdotal: The number (or ‘N’) of people involved in his unscientific study is one, ie himself.

It’s the least relevant, most potentially misleading kind of evidence. And it is contradicted by experiences I have as an NHS psychiatrist all the time.

...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11823945/Prince-Harrys-words-cause-huge-harm-says-psychiatrist-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Girl with a Hat said…
@Maneki Neko,

About ayahuasca as a treatment for psychiatric or psychological issues,

The biggest assh*les I ever met all tell me that ayahuasca has helped them with their problems. I always wonder how big an assh*le the person was previously, because they are really obnoxious and lack self-consciousness when they tell me how successful they were with ayahuasca. We must be talking black hole level assh*les.

One of these people is completely obsessed with the drug and has tons of books about it, and the best shamans in Peru who help people do the treatment the way it was meant to: two weeks of eating only white rice and sleeping in a special area, etc. A lot of these shamans, the ones who have done the drug for years, are alcoholics.

People who have done ayahuasca under the supervision of shamans committed suicide during their trip.

I really think people should be aware of the problems with ayahuasca because few of the people who talk about the drug ever talk about those issues.
Girl with a Hat said…
I agree with this assessment:

Chris Rock skewered Meghan on stage last evening, and today Tyler Perry made an emergency flight on his private jet to visit Meghan and Harry at home for 2 hours. This was not a 'god-father' visit as the DailyMail said. This was a crisis response to South Park, Chris Rock etc.

https://twitter.com/storiesbyjemay/status/1632555535126937601
Coincidentally, our Police Commissioner wrote this article in the current edition of our local paper. I think H should be sent a copy:

Last week (wc 270223) was County Lines Intensification Week, which saw police forces across England and Wales focus on a specific type of dealing linked to child exploitation.

‘County lines’ is the term used to describe gangs supplying drugs to suburban areas, market and coastal towns across the UK using dedicated mobile phone lines.

These organised crime networks exploit children and young people to store, move, sell and deliver their drugs, often making them travel across counties.

These children and young people are groomed, threatened or tricked into trafficking drugs for gangs who often use intimidation and violence, or threaten the young person’s family. They might also offer money, food, alcohol, clothes and jewellery in return for cooperation, but these gifts will usually be manipulated so that the child feels they are in debt to their exploiter and have no choice but to do what they want.


Are the H's benefiting from this criminal activity as well? It makes one wonder.
CatEyes said…
Maneki Neko reported:
"Harry is an example of what medical researchers call ‘N=1’. That’s a fancy way of saying his experiences are wholly anecdotal: The number (or ‘N’) of people involved in his unscientific study is one, ie himself."
_____________________________________________________________________
I have another acronym meaning for N-1.

N represents the Numbskull Factor...and 1 equals the degree of the factor, therefore,

Harry has the Numbskull Factor of the Highest degree!

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