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Making money off Archie: What type of company would consider it?

There's been a great deal of discussion about a Blind Gossip article from Monday suggesting that Meghan is holding off sharing images of Archificial until she can find someone willing to pay for them.

According to the article, Meg hopes to "monetize" the first full-face and full-figure images of Archie, which is why she has been partially hiding his face in his rare public appearances.

Unfortunately, she's been unable to put together a deal, according to Blind Gossip, in part because too many people knew about her plans to donate just some of the income to charity and divert the rest to a private account.

But the question I'm intrigued by is : what type of company would consider paying to feature the first clear images of the seventh-in-line to the throne, and what would they hope to get from it?

The magazine industry has been in crisis for more than a decade, so it seems unlikely that Meg will be able to sell her Archie images to a publishing house. And the unimpressive ratings of her Gayle King specials will dampen the enthusiasm of TV producers.

Who else might be interested?

Baby goods?

The most obvious answer is a company selling baby goods - baby food, toys, diapers. But wouldn't using Archificial in their advertising call up all sorts of questions about his birth and parentage that would distract from your product?

A big-name company, like Proctor & Gamble (which sells Pampers) doesn't need this kind of distraction, or the distraction of Meg's thinly-disguised political views.

An up-and-coming diapers company, perhaps one with biodegradable products, might be interested. But would they have enough money to satisfy Meg?

Financial companies?

Insurance and investment companies often produce "family values" type of advertisements, showing the continuity of family and the importance of structuring your own family's finances.

Could an investment company use the Sussexes as an example of a thoroughly modern family that serves as an example for others? "No matter what type of family you have, it's important to plan for the future" or some similar tagline.

The problem is that any company with this much money to spend will also have enough money to spend on research, which will show that Meg isn't universally admired and is becoming less popular every day.

Harry is still well-liked, which means he would be key to structuring a deal with this type of advertiser. In fact, an image with just Archie and Harry might be worth a lot more than one that includes Meg.

That's if Harry would agree to it.


Baby fashion?

Children's fashion is big business, and Meg might be hoping that luxury brands like Burberry Kids, Young Versace, Armani Junior or Kenzo Kids would be interested in featuring Archificial in their advertising.

Maybe they would - but probably not if Meg also wants to be in the picture. Her fashion appearances in Givenchy have been memorable for all the wrong reasons.

Again, these brands might be willing to shell out for an image of just Prince Harry and Archificial together, particularly if both of them wear the company duds. (Father and son Burberry? At least it's British.)

But Archie on his own is just a baby.

And Archie photographed with just his mother feels a bit Kardashian-like. It lacks the exclusivity and snob appeal that people who buy designer kids clothes are looking for.

In fact, Meg's grifter reputation might even turn off people who would otherwise be interested in the brand.



What type of company do you think would be willing to pay big money for images of Archie?






Comments

Anonymous said…
I have a hard time believing SS would be so stupid as to not strip the metadata.

If you google 'what is metadata' you'll find some great info, but basically, it's data about the data. Whenever you create a data file (document, photo, etc.) the specifics of the time/place/user/source/etc. are recorded automatically and stored with the data (document, photo, etc.) you created. So, for example, if I type a letter to you using Word and attach that document to an email and send it to you, you can go to backstage (on PC) or Mac (file properties) and see when I created it, the name of the person who created it, how much editing time I spent, etc. It is important to ALWAYS strip the data before you send a file anywhere unless you really, really do not care to have that info left available. I always strip mine JIC. It's easy to do, so let me know if you want to know how to do it.

I worked with someone who didn't know anything about metadata. When that person tried to pass off something as their own work, it was thru metadata that I was able to find the actual source of the information. It became a thing, one more nail in the coffin lol.
Jen said…
@Elle...thanks for that info. You may know how to answer this, or not, but if you strip the data off an image, would any changes made to that image create a new metadata date/info, if that too is not stripped?
hunter said…
The official palace account did not post or comment on the baptism/royal viewing collages.
hardyboys said…
If these photos are fake, her pregnancy is fake, she uses fake pictures, has fake hair, lies about her age, doesn't talk to her dad, has to use a PR firm just to get people to not throw eggs at her, makes stupid idiotic quotes all day long I don't think she has a hope in hell of lasting other than for the rags to make fodder about her all day. This trainwreck doesn't stop. I would be too scared to use a fake picture for a homemade documentary with no consequences and this trainwreck uses one nationally and pubically. Wow. She has guts no shame and is truly truly an unabashed grifter hoping to make it to the finish line with some cash in her pocket. I do think that was Meghan and Harry though, and I believe there is a baby because it is just too far out there to lie about something so huge like this.
Anonymous said…
I'm not an expert on metadata. There are a lot of devices in the world and lots of different software, so I cannot say definitively.
NeutralObserver said…
What is the supreme irony about Henry VIII, is that the multiple time married, wife beheader was the father of perhaps the greatest ruler Britain has had, a woman! In Elizabeth's I day, the monarch had absolute power, & she fought off the Spanish Armada, sent explorers to the Americas, & presided over the age of Shakespeare. Henry VIII is a bit scary to our modern age, but I think his father's difficulties securing his succession really scarred him. Henry was obsessed with producing a male heir, another irony. His daughter Elizabeth was a wily, ruthless chip off the old block. She beheaded her own favorites if she felt they were disloyal. All I can
say is, thank heaven nations can have elections these days. This comment isn't showing up where I meant it to, & apologies to the Brits here for telling them stuff they already know!
Anonymous said…
Here's a quick How-To on removing it from the usual suspects:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/remove-hidden-data-and-personal-information-by-inspecting-documents-presentations-or-workbooks-356b7b5d-77af-44fe-a07f-9aa4d085966f

The process is different on a Mac.
Anonymous said…
Nutty, isn't SS supposed to be big $ and highly skilled? Could they really be that stupid?
Ava C said…
I'm getting to the point now where I think she doesn't give a damn about what people say as long as it is about her. The more anger, agitation and resentment there is, the more her name is mentioned and the happier she is. Such a risky strategy. Does she know nothing about the French or Russian revolutions? Or the 1848 upheavals across Europe that caused havoc for royal families? She actually reminds me of the last Tsarina of Russia, the key word being 'last'. She had a mania for secrecy which the Russian people resented, and she spent huge amounts of money. And the Marie Antoinette similarities are obvious to everyone.
Liver Bird said…
I suspect it's the latter too.

What is pretty much certain is that these photos are fakes, and not very good ones either. Remember that the Rose and Crown explicitally denied that they were there. Not a 'no comment', a categorical denial. Why would they deny it if it could later be proved false? And wouldn't it be great for business to hint that they might have been there without intruding on their 'privacy', which a 'no comment' would have done very nicely?

And speaking of 'privacy' why would a couple who are supposedly obsessed with their son's privacy drag him out to a pub on one of the busiest weekends of the year?
NeutralObserver said…
Nice catch Mischi. Fake much? TMZ isn't exactly the London Times. You can't see the sprog at all, & the woman looks like IT in the Addams Family.
Ava C said…
Looking at news on Google, at the moment the photos are not being discussed much on major newspapers yet. I did see a French article in 'Gala' which I put through Google Translate. The final paragraph ends very oddly:

"According to information from the US site, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex seem to have blended perfectly into the set. While Prince Harry and his wife enjoyed a homemade roast chicken, the latter drank beer when Meghan Markle stayed in the water. Still according to our colleagues, the little Archie seemed to take a nap, delicately wrapped in a blanket. The son of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle would have remained silent during the two hours the family was there, and even when the Duchess of Sussex would have changed her son, he would not have flinched ..."

That's how the article ends. Why say the baby would have remained silent for two hours and would not have reacted to being changed? I know babies can sleep deeply and be oblivious to everything, but this seems to feed the freakier speculation about the baby. If anyone reading can read French, the article is here:

https://www.gala.fr/l_actu/news_de_stars/meghan-markle-et-harry-au-pub-avec-archie-les-photos-enfin-devoilees_434871
Anonymous said…
There are a number of articles online re the photo on display at BP. I haven't visited lately, so I can't confirm the rumors. I still think it is quite unlikely that the BRF would play along with a doll.
Jen said…
Bit off topic, but had to share an article that popped up on my Google home page regarding William attending the launch of a new exhibit at the BAFTA HQ in London. Apparently, he was gifted with a stuffed toy from The Clangers, which we now find out is one of Charlotte's favorite shows. The article goes on to say that Charlotte has started school, and is "expected to accept the challenges of school with the feisty temperment she showcased as a pupil at Willcocks Nursery...where she was nicknamed Warrior Princess."

That is so fitting! I will forever see her as Warrior Princess.

Liver Bird said…
The royals are strictly forbidden from accepting freebies or indeed from getting involved with any sort of commercial activity. However, we know that Meghan isn't concerned about such rules, so I definitely suspect that she is getting freebies.

And the normal procedure is that the 'celebrity' borrows the garment and then returns it to the designer. That would explain why they are so poorly fitting.
Anonymous said…
"...serait resté silencieux..." and "...aurait changé..." - odd. Mischi, can you speak (French lol) to this? The verb forms are conditional, but ???
Liver Bird said…
That's just a translation from the blurb on the TMZ site, which is much the same as was printed 3 weeks ago.

Now, I'm no expert on babies, but I'm pretty sure that no 4 month old - no matter how placid - remains quiet for 2 hours, in what would surely be a very noisy and unfamiliar environment. It just doesn't happen. And again with the nappy thing? Like I say, did the Duchess change her baby's nappy in public? On the table? And no photos? Or was she stalked into the bathroom, with no protest from the RPOs?

I swear any of us here could do a better job at PR than SS. And cheaper too!
hardyboys said…
Lainey wrote another long blathering article about how we should be paying attention to the Andrew scandal rather than where the Sussex's flew because paedophilia is more important. Then she says that Fergie is being thrown under a bus by Andrew and she goes on about feminism stuff. Lainey, an Asian woman uses feminism and racism any chance she gets. Its so horrific. I am an indian female lawyer. I have been given privileges which I am always grateful for. If I walked into a court room and tried to play the race card even for one minute to advance a case, I would be shattered on the spot. The morale of the story is these "isms" don't work with privileged people. Lainey is a successful journalist who blathers on about other peoples lives and is killing it doing so. She must be making some cash bc she goes on about designer clothes and the high life all the time (although she is the WORST dresser). MM another privileged girl married into the highest order you can get to from her angle. No "isms" apply to this nutbar. STFU and go to work. That's what an immigrant mom would say. Today I have time to rant abit bc work is driving me crazy a bit.
NeutralObserver said…
Yep, from my hazily remembered school girl French, the conditional implies doubt. I let my browser translate the page, & even the English version was conditional. As Ava C. says, very odd.
Anonymous said…
I went to the original French link and checked the verb form just to be sure. That's what the article says in French and that's the conditional form.
Anonymous said…
Veena - what country?
Girl with a Hat said…
Elle, yes I am French. Journalists in French use the conditional form to say that what people said but which hasn't been proven. The equivalent in English would be "allegedly".
Ava C said…
It is translation from TMZ but given more emphasis by moving the bit about the silence and immobility of the baby to the end of the article. Also, using ellipses at the end is a well-known technique to suggest something is not being said, or a nod and a wink. Maybe something mysterious ... This woman is turning us all into Agatha Christies.
Anonymous said…
Thank you, Mischi! I knew there would be an explanation. Sometimes things do get lost in translation and even when it's a correct translation, there are some things that don't translate, you just have to know what it means.
Anonymous said…
@Ava:

https://www.gala.fr/l_actu/news_de_stars/meghan-markle-et-harry-au-pub-avec-archie-les-photos-enfin-devoilees_434871

is the link to the original French article. This is the language "...serait resté silencieux..." and "...aurait changé..."

In theory, the translation is correct, I guess (not going by TMZ, but the actual French piece) but as Mischi explained, usage means something a little different.
Girl with a Hat said…
Elle, I'm not solely French but it is my mother tongue.

And as a person whose hobby is learning languages, sometimes the mindset helps you understand the meaning. The logic behind the use of the conditional is "if the person who is being cited is correct, then..."

And the French do love their ellipses ...... The French journalists do it all the time.
Ava C said…
Reminds me of when Edward VII when he was gallivanting all over Europe, always accompanied by Wallis Simpson, even in swimsuits. The French and German (and American) press were putting it on their front pages, but as we know, ordinary British people knew nothing about it as the press censored it. Only aristocrats, royals and top society people knew, and in those days none of them would have dreamed of running to the Daily Mail. After the Leveson Inquiry, I suppose there's a similar difference between foreign and UK papers now.
Girl with a Hat said…
Neutral, no. Very normal. My mother tongue is French and it's always used in journalism in French. It's used for something which is being stated but hasn't been proven, the way "allegedly" is used in English.
Girl with a Hat said…
Lainey is alienating her readers because they don't care about Andrew. He is too old and not interesting to them. They care about the younger members of the BRF. Also, her readers don't care about yicky things like that, just about what people are wearing and who is sleeping with whom.

So tired of people complaining of racism. I am a woman in a very male dominated profession and although I've experienced sexism many times, I don't use it to define myself.

I am almost always the only woman in the office or the meeting, and yet I have to hear about some overly ambitious person with few credentials yammering about racism because they aren't the CEO yet.

It's the same with Meghan. She wants to climb over William and Kate and is using racism to explain why that isn't happening.
Hikari said…
"fiesty temperament" is the posh way of saying "HRH can be a bit of a brat", possibly? I love Charlotte and her spirit . . it feels like Charles and Anne, or Elizabeth and Margaret repeating itself with the dynamic second-born threatening to overshadow the shy and neurotic firstborn.

Too bad crowns aren't awarded on temperament. But I am a firm believer in how birth order influences personality development. Charlotte (and Anne and Margaret) could be irrepressible and outgoing *because* they were second-borns. If they had the burdens of expectation of the eldest, that would have made them more serious. David and Bertie were something of an anomaly in that David acted a lot more like a second born and his younger brother got the shyness and devotion to duty.
Hikari said…
And just look at the differences between William and Harry. Birth order isn't everything, but it influences a lot. Mostly because parents expect so much of a first child, who grows up for a while anyway in the intense hothouse of being the lone chick doted upon by both parents. Parents are more relaxed with the laterborns and usually much more tolerant of letting them be their own people. Firstborns struggle with the expectation to 'represent' the parental units as sort of a dutiful Mini-Me of them.

Every single one of the American Presidents has been an eldest son or an only son. 45 out of 45. Onlies are like firstborns to the 10th power. I find this so fascinating. The drive to succeed in conventional channels like politics, adherence to societal institutions . . again, like politics . . an ingrained sense of authority (younger sibs call it 'bossiness') and belief in one's own ideas (or, 'know-it-all-ness' :p) are all qualities which stand politicians in good stead.
Anonymous said…
"...sometimes the mindset helps you understand the meaning..."

Yes, how true that is. My French family had some fun with us re that lol. Ditto for some of the French friends we made.

NeutralObserver said…
Not sure whether this comment will publish on the right thread, but here goes. Mischi, what I was trying to say in my earlier comment about the use of the French conditional was that it supports our thesis that the photos are fake, just in a subtle, French way. They're using the equivalent of air quotes, but in print, not speech.

For those of you who are wondering about a baby being quiet in a restaurant for two hours, it's possible, but unlikely. My husband loved to go out to eat on the spur of the moment, & I've had lots of experience taking infants to restaurants, both in England & in France. They usually require tons of attention, & I almost always had to let another person hold the baby while I ate my (getting cold )meal. LOL. Babies get thirsty, they need changing, they get air bubbles, etc. 2 hours of peace & quiet sounds very suspicious. I've had loudly crying babies during meals. In England, some fat businessman would complain loudly, in France, they'd just make sure that I was attending the baby conscientiously, & politely ignore the noise. They're very into motherhood in France, at least in those days. When I saw the polo photos of Megs & sprog, I found them very alarming. That baby was huge & looked heavy. She seemed very uncomfortable carrying him, and so did the baby. My children were much older when they were that big, & I would have used a stroller because they could sit up & didn't need the support. What was really was disturbing was how still & inanimate the baby was. Babies wave their little arms & legs & move their heads to avoid the sun & so forth. That baby should have had a sun hat, or been placed somewhere in complete shade. Some of my friends used to give their infants Benadryl (an antihistamine) when they flew long distances with them, to make them sleep. I was too paranoid to do it, but can see the temptation. So I wondered if Megs had sedated the poor baby somehow. To do it for a brief outing like that seems inexcusable, if she did.
KnitWit said…
Comments on TMZ mentioned the metadata on the photo shows it was taken yesterday. I don't know how to check that, just passing the info along.

So silly.
SwampWoman said…
Hmmmm. I'm the oldest born. How about the rest of y'all?
KayeC said…
I don't even think to looks like Harry or MM.
KayeC said…
Sorry pushed wrong button, how come EVERY single photo is blurry??? Just like the private jet pictures.......hmm
Hikari said…
Oldest of four girls here.
KayeC said…
Agreed and not them and blurry, like the jet pics. Also there were weird pictures of other customer from different angles....why would they take their pics too??
PaulaMP said…
DM has instantly deleted several of my comments today, so they have a team on it now. They are ruining my fun.
Ava C said…
JFK wasn't an oldest son but when his older brother - who his father intended for the presidency - was killed in the war, all the pressure turned onto JFK. And it was real pressure, no allowances made for what JFK may have wanted. He would more naturally have been an academic. So to all intents and purposes he was the oldest son and took on all the obligations willingly enough, as they had all been trained to obey their father. I was listening to the tapes Jackie made after the assassination, talking to the White House historian for the Kennedy administration, and she was quite bitchy about the older brother's abilities, but then no one could hold a candle to Jack.
hardyboys said…
Ok so heads stink that's news to me. Never been with a ginger altho I think they are beautiful and supposed to be kind. Now is there a way that I can bookmark where I left off so I dont have to read each comment 3 times to see where I stopped reading? Also one thing I haven't been able to shake and that is the poster who talked about how archie is likely born in march and if so the question becomes why is she hiding it? It's true. If archie born in may and she got married what gives? Then getting married in Botswana would have put them when did they go August 2017? Why is she hiding the date? Are we the fools just talking about her for no reason and shes winning? She loves the attention after all
hardyboys said…
I figured out a trick now I'm just reading from the last comment backwards lol
Girl with a Hat said…
keep at it. They are very zealous and then relent later.
Ava C said…
Interesting info for me Neutral Observer as I'm a long-distance aunt but not a mother. Re: Benadryl, if it was a real baby wouldn't she want it to move and make noises in the restaurant, to prove it's real? I've seen plenty of sleeping babies in restaurants, but if it's a long meal, even the heaviest sleepers start to make their presence known when people start getting ready to leave. So I agree, 2 hours of perfect quiet is suspicious.
hardyboys said…
I meant to say red heads stink...that made me scratch my head all day...I have had ginger clients over the years they always smell nice and always cute as a button
gabes_human said…
Oldest and only girl. I called myself The Guinea Pig.
hardyboys said…
Elle I come from canada but am a born Indian from New Delhi India. Et vous madame?
gabes_human said…
Lol. It’s only when they perspire. I forget the name of the chemical excreted in their perspiration but Mother Nature intended it as a natural sunblock.
NeutralObserver said…
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NeutralObserver said…
Yes, I don't recall ever having a baby sleep for 2 hours in a public place. They could definitely go for 2 hours without crying, but an adult would have be holding them, feeding them, amusing them, etc. but just lying asleep in a baby carrier with restaurant noise around them? No. And believe, me there is not a baby on God's green earth that would sleep through a diaper change. If that happened, that baby needed a hospital! LOLO
NeutralObserver said…
I also was very big on interaction with my children, & stimulating their interest in their surroundings, so I was very indulgent with them about in their waking hours. I tried to keep them from napping during the day, so they would hopefully sleep at night! Any real parent knows exactly what William meant when he mentioned that Harry was joining the sleep deprived. My husband & waved toys in front of our kids, talked them, sang to them, whatever it took. From what we've seen of poor 'Archie', Megs prefers him comatose!
Girl with a Hat said…
I saw the data. It's not metadata. It's the resource URL from the webpage where TMZ stored the image. So, basically, the URL of the image on the TMZ server. They used the date to create the URL but they could have used anything else. They use a date because that's the way they have their system organised.
Girl with a Hat said…
it's not the metadata of the photo. it's the URL that TMZ assigned to the jpeg image. It could have been anything. TMZ obviously was working on this story yesterday.
NeutralObserver said…
I hate the idea of the Cambridges traveling together as well. Some of Meg's sugars have even posted hoping they all go in an accident so Megs can be queen! Sick! I would hate for those two to be on the throne, limited as their role would be. Even if Harry were married to someone else, he doesn't seem to have the emotional maturity to fill the job. Another blog has a tiny rumor that Kate might be pregnant again. If that's so, I don't think she should be going to Pakistan this fall. There also are reports that TMZ has erased the metadata on those phony looking pub photos they released today, something they supposedly never do.
Girl with a Hat said…
you ladies must go over and look at Celt News' latest video.

She says that the worst of the Meghan stories are kept from HM because the lady is 93 years old but that Lord Geit is slowly bringing her up to speed.

She also says that she heard rumours that Meghan lied to HM and said that she had invited her whole family to the wedding.

The rumours are that HM will invite Thomas Markle and the whole family to BP for a visit to make things right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVJxmOwmWA

Anonymous said…
Middle. BUT there was a big gap between my older siblings and me, so I always say I got the parental expectations of the oldest but the social and behavioral issues that align more closely with middle. I tend to fly under the radar a lot and am the one in the fam who gets along with the three other sibs (two barely speak!).
Anonymous said…
>>She says that the worst of the Meghan stories are kept from HM because the lady is 93 years old but that Lord Geit is slowly bringing her up to speed.

Thank goodness. I've wondered/worried what that would do to her stress level!

The rest, not so sure. That sounds a little out there, but maybe.
Anonymous said…
Oh, that is altogether different then, Mischi.
Anonymous said…
@Veena, US, of course. West Coast. I grew up with old Southern family (which means they were a little "high-strung" but well-dressed and had good manners). I just wondered because you speak about the law so passionately (I admire that) and aren't the corporate/business lawyer whose never stepped foot in a courtroom (most of the US).
Anonymous said…
IDK about the UK, but I do know that in the U.S., I would definitely check the state statutes before dosing a child just for convenience.
punkinseed said…
The Tsar and Tsarina had to be secretive about their son because of his hemophaelia (sp). If the public knew the prince was that sickly from an inherited illness that was passed via the Tsarina's lineage there would have put their position on extremely shaky grounds. So the Tsar and his wife were in a Catch 22 position when it came to succession and stability. Megs' mania is far different.
She thrives and feeds on controversy. She revels in telling lies and enjoys the responses, especially from reporters like Piers Morgan when he calls her and Harry out on them.
I am beginning to believe that Meg's Rasputin is her mother, Doria. There's a lot of adverse information surfacing about Doria now, so I suppose we can expect more reveals shortly; especially now that it's being said that Wills is investigating foundation financials. Plus, Wills recently had some in depth training with MI5 and MI6.
I think the baby exists, but Megs was never pregnant with him. She's used dolls now and then to toy with the media and her detractors. She loves to feed on the spin, most of all negative spin, she creates as she enjoys that such behavior really gets to anyone she feels has offended her. She's loves to keep everything around her in chaos.
hardyboys said…
Lol no I'm not passionate. I enjoy the exquisite writing of some of the writers on here...cant remember all the names and when nutty comments I always read twice or thrice. I enjoy this column it's a nice outlet...I cant wait till this all unravels
punkinseed said…
I'm the baby of 5. 3 sisters and one brother. Learned how to never give up and always try to play fair.
punkinseed said…
Thank you! I was wondering who the source was for that shot. I could not imagine it being BP.
Mischief Girl said…
Hello! is unrelentingly positive, yes...a nicer word than sycophantic...but I *love* the first article in the magazine where they show you someone's house. Nice to know that often I don't have 1% of the money these celebrities do, but I have 100% better taste in home design!
AnnieP said…
What if HMTQ has physical custody?
Scandi Sanskrit said…
No but imagine popping into Party Pieces for cat birthday balloons and will’s at the till.

Screw flying helicopters and saving lives.

I'd patronise that business, dude's got 3 kids to feed.
Anonymous said…
I just realized it! I'm prescient! I totally called TMZ! lololol

"What type of company do you think would be willing to pay big money for images of Archie?"

Only one that does not do any market research or focus groups prior and that has the financial ability to withstand the adverse impact of the spectacle de merde that would inevitably follow. It would need to be a company whose reputation and image would not suffer as a result of the markle taint. Also, it would need to be a company that did not care about maintaining even the most tenuous and superficial connections to the BRF. And, of course, one with which markle's image and "celebrity" status align well. Given all that, TMZ is probably the best fit with markle's image and the likely choice for Princess Greasy-Pole Climber's picture pimping. I think she may have a long run with TMZ."
Anonymous said…
Well, @Veena, you seem passionate to me. Remember, most of the US is corporate/business/tax law, so when you mention fighting for a client in court or defending someone, that sounds a little more exciting to me than the analysis of a tax parternship.
Anonymous said…
I love that TMZ was the first and most (and really only) obvious choice to me and damn, TMZ drops it today. Markle, keeping it "k"lassy.
Rainy Day said…
Off topic, but Page Six is reporting that M&H will be in Italy on Friday at Misha Nonoo’s wedding.
Ozmanda said…
Seems she has sorted out the "feeding the fake baby" problem :)
Ozmanda said…
Yep doing a exif lookup shows 17/9/2019
JL said…
Re photo. For one thing Doria is wearng the exact same outfit as she was wearing in the fall when she turned up for the cookbook launch. Right down to the same scarf. Also Harry’s sightline was off. He was meant to be looking at the baby, but the sightline had him looking at the floor. There are those that allege the Queen’s outfit was from from an earlier year (Windsor Horse Show every year), but it was in fact the same outfit as she wore at the Horse Show that day. Prince Philip on the other hand looks also photoshopped in from earlier times.
So off, yes.
Ozmanda said…
I am the eldest with two brothers, although I haven't seen them in many many years. We had a rough upbringing and never really understood what having a family meant (too busy trying to survive). I still think about them and hope they are happy
Ozmanda said…
I have this horrible feeling Megs is angling for Vogue US to get the "exclusive". I can see the whole thing in my brain - In line with her "fashion" sense(coughhackcough) she will release a faux-baby line of clothing and have a photo shoot for Vogue US that means she gets the exposure and rep she needs to establish her "GOOP v2.1" lifestyle brand.
Anonymous said…
https://princeharryandme.tumblr.com/ has info showing that TMZ stripped the data, so that actually makes more sense to me.

Ozmanda said…
Ella and Mischi, I am part French/part Australian - make of that as you will:)
JL said…
Another trip and no real work. And when is Cressidas wedding did the tabloids make out that it was eminent not that long ago?
JL said…
Apologies. Dictation. *imminent
Anonymous said…
Ozmanda: You drink both beer and wine?

To clarify: my French family = the family with whom I lived while studying in France.

My ancestry on my mother's side has been well-documented, but I was able to add to the tree on both sides. The more "recent" lines are Welsh/Irish/Scottish/English, but prior to that, Scandinavian, of course, and French, Spanish, German. When I had my DNA test done, it was interesting that the Spanish DNA showed up so strongly. But no Australian.



The photos are fake, they would have been published at the time of the story if they were genuine. I will also add that TMZ pay for photos like newspapers etc.,do, and I’m sure a newspaper like the DM or The Sun would have paid far more than TMZ would or could.
emeraldcity said…
Hello ladies, delightful reading , such interesting stuff but no one is really going to know the truth until the truth comes out, there is certainly something shady going on, exactly what is the real question.

I'm leaning towards surrogate and that's why we have all this palaver and why Meghan managed to convince Harry to go along with it, if there was a surrogate and it becomes known there is a major problem which wouldn't apply to the average person and why it would be completely necessary to dupe the Queen and Philip and the rest of the world re the birth.

A surrogate birth means Archie cannot inherit the Duke of Sussex title or any other of Harry's titles. The circumstances for inheritance in the letters of writ are very clear the child must be 'Born in lawful wedlock and of the body' …….meaning Harry’s wife must give birth to the baby, a surrogate birth would be regarded as the child of a mistress, as there has been no change in the legal definition ‘of the body’ and never likely to be. Therefore the child of a surrogate even though completely 100% Harry/Meghan DNA does not fulfil the requirements for inheritance.

I could see both Harry and Meghan taking desperate measures to ensure their child (if there is one) inherits.

However as the child is Harry’s , Archie would still fall under ‘The Grand Opinion of 1717’ Act regardless of birth circumstances and Meghan would have a slim chance of gaining custody of him. The jury is still out on whether the Act encompasses great-grandchildren; it does say ‘minor grandchildren of the Monarch ‘(great-grandchildren were as scarce as hen’s teeth in 1717) but it will still eventually cut in when Charles is Monarch and he becomes legal guardian of Archie. The Queen might have anoher 10years in her but eventually......

The one piece I haven’t puzzled out is why Meghan went to hospital to deliver (if she did) as it would have been so much easier to fudge if the birth took place at home. Did the surrogate have complications and require hospitalization and where do the doctors/hospital fit into the scam? I don’t think that a simple ‘patient confidentiality’ spin would work, someone would blab anonymously.

Excellent blog Nutty, I have been reading the entire thing and compliments to the sleuthing commenters.

A piece of gossip just received is that the ‘fixer’ is very ill, perhaps that, Philips ill health and the Queen’s well known disinclination to become involved in family confrontations is why we are seeing less action on the Meghan front than we would have expected in the past. Dithering Charles is unlikely to be much help either, if things get really dire the most he would do is cut their funding and he would be too concerned that would make him look bad.
Julia said…
Hello! does big glossy photo spreads and interviews which I don't think People does. They admit royalty is their bread and butter. (Is it for People too?) Michael Douglas was an embarrassment for Hello! as I recall - they bought photos from a third party and were sued - but they have negotiated deals with many other celebrities including Jolie for baby photos. As for brown-nosing, when their Thai edition had a cover interview with a Thai princess, the magazine agreed to move their masthead under the princess's photo. One can't get more sycophantic than that!

A lot of their photo spreads show a woman in an evening gown but the man in more casual clothes - Harry and Meghan's engagement photos were pure Hello!
Ava C said…
It's interesting that I can't find coverage of the latest pub development in the DM. I've searched manually in the app as I can't get that in date order, and searched in Google by date. Nothing since 2 Sept. Has anyone seen anything that has since disappeared? Or have I missed it? On the other hand we've had some strikingly positive articles in the DM:

* Gushing article by one of the Smart Works models (not one of the less fortunate women you note, like the one who didn't feel so well-treated by Meghan) about how phenomenal and welcoming Meghan was. I've read somewhere that she only likes talking to pretty ones.

* An article about the latest inspirational quote on their Instagram. Although it notes some criticism in passing it gives the lions-share of the space to reactions by sugars and speaks of how H&M have been weathering the storm, as if it wasn't purely of their own creation.

* Misha Nonoo's revelation that Meghan hasn't changed at all since she married Harry. (Well we could say that too but not in a good way.)

* An Australian model from the Vogue shoot receiving a heartfelt handwritten note from Meghan telling her she was a 'true force for change' (Obviously being a model is the way to go with Meghan.)

* The wedding makeup artist pops up again just because he wished Harry happy birthday. Nothing of note to report but gives an opportunity to repeat again how much Meghan loves Harry and how he inspires her every day. (Well we certainly see them becoming ever more alike).

*An article about the Tig that seems to be giving space for a repositioning of the story:

"Meghan's spokeswoman told The Sun that 'The lasting trademark is to prevent false branding, to avoid others purporting to be the Duchess or affiliated with her.' [...]. 'Of course it’s understandable she wouldn’t want an entrepreneur using the name without her involvement.'"

That's one way to look at it.

* An article about the previously unseen christening photo. This entire article is so OTT I just have to give quotes:

[...] "sees the Meghan and Harry cooing over their little boy in an adorable behind-the-scenes picture."

"The post, which racked up 55,000 likes in just 10 minutes, reads: 'Wishing a very happy birthday to His Royal Highness Prince Harry, The Duke of Sussex!'. It continued: 'A birthday message from The Duchess of Sussex: 'Your service to the causes you care so deeply for inspires me every day.'"

I love the wishing happy birthday to the Duke of Sussex from the Duchess of Sussex. Makes you think of them in a Ruritanian fantasy castle, one at each end of a long long dining table, Meghan asking the butler "Could you ask the Duke of Sussex to pass the butter?" Then Harry "Could you ask the Duchess of Sussex to pass the marmalade?" Excuse me. I forgot myself.

Oh dear, I'm up to the text limit so I'm cutting it short. I'm not saying the DM doesn't cover criticism, but what takes me aback is how crass the deliberate PR is. If a child wrote it as a spoof for an essay assignment it would be no different. People aren't buying it in the UK. Each story is like setting up a new coconut at a fair, for people to throw things at. So I guess we're back to the point that what fails here may work in the US. My mother made an interesting point. Sunshine, used to the US, may not realise just what a small country the UK is and how quickly opinions spread to saturation point. It's like using a spray-gun to distribute PR. What may be a fine, even speckle over the US, in the UK turns into a splat.







Liver Bird said…
The British press won't publish photos of any of the royal kids unless it's an official event. That's why none of them have posted these pictures. Also makes something of a mockery of Harry's war with the British press as they are generally much more respectful than their American equivalent. If he thinks he'll get an easier ride if he moves to Los Angeles, he's in for a nasty surprise!
Liver Bird said…
Thanks for that. I think people throw around words like 'metadata' without knowning what they really mean, and it just undermines our point of view when it's proved wrong.

So chances are the photos were taken in late August. But still begs the question: Why is the pub totally empty except for them and their RPOs? Where is the '53 year old businessman'? Why was someone allowed to take several snaps of them without the RPOs intervening, esp as Archie was there? Why did the pub categorically deny their presence? Why were the photos not released until now?

In answer to the latter, I guess maybe you COULD say that whoever took them tried to sell them to the British press but found no takers as they won't publish 'unofficial' photos of royal kids. So maybe it took a while to find an American publication to take them, since the photographer was presuably just an ordinary customer. Maybe..... But I still think it screams set-up, and not a very clever one at that.
Ava C said…
Yes you're right Liver Bird. When I was looking further for this type of unofficial 'private time' photo coverage, there's lots of photos of Kate pushing buggies in the park, including with George when Charlotte came along, but they seem to come from Pop Sugar Inc. which is a 'global company'. However they don't seem to be covering this story. They have a Meghan page with sugary headlines for each topic, that is up to date, but doesn't include the visit to the pub.
Ava C said…
In an article in DM comparing Kate and Meghan's clothing, the sugars' comments are still bringing up this thing about Meghan being a multi-millionairess in her own right. I'd accept this if someone would just prove how this was possible. I added a comment under my other name:

"I'd love someone to explain just how Meghan could have [£5]M or [£7]M or whatever the amount is this week. She was not a leading actress, had a tacky acting CV, was just an ensemble player in Suits and she didn't own her own house. She also lived well if the Tig blog was anything to go buy. Diptyque candles, Jo Malone fragrances and cashmere throws don't buy themselves. And her favourite wine the blog was named after is around [£]40 a bottle. So please explain. I'd love to be in on the secret."

Only likes received so far. I really want an investigative journalist to dig deeper.

BTW I'm commenting a lot as I'm at home with shingles. I can hardly be rational to be spending my time on Meghan but as others have said, it's like watching a car crash in slow-motion, in real life, and so far everyone's just standing by.
Jen said…
I could see a newborn sleeping for 2 hours without a fuss. My nephew was known to sleep straight through an entire game of bowling (yes, his parents took him on their bowling league nights and he never fussed once). As he got older, he was awake for some of it and just watched. But he moved and fussed the older he got...which is about where Archie is supposed to be. Maybe Archie is real, but has developmental disabilities?
Jen said…
Wonder if they'll be flying private or commercial? :)
Girl with a Hat said…
that still doesn't prove the photo was taken in late August though. Maybe it was taken the day before yesterday but the "evidence" they quote just proves that the person who created the website decided to use that date in the URL they created.

TMZ were the ones who faked the Thomas Markle paparazzi photos.
That would only work if she could wear a tiara in the commercial.
SwampWoman said…
So very sorry to hear about you and the shingles! I had almost instantaneous relief from the shingles burn by supplementing with L-lysine (an amino acid) and swabbing the blisters with icy cold strong apple cider vinegar. You, however, probably recognized the symptoms immediately and were able to get an antiviral before it was too late. (I thought I'd gotten into something I was allergic to).
Elle, I worked for a company that imported leather apparel garments from India, and have visited those factories personally. The leather used is usually from goat, possibly sheep. Cow leather is used in the north, where the predominant religion is Muslim. I saw no one working in the shops under the age of perhaps sixteen or seventeen; most were adults. That's not to say that child labor doesn't happen, but I never saw it personally. But then, this was only in the New Delhi area. It might be different in rural areas.
SwampWoman said…
Veena, my mental picture of you is Madhuri Dixit or Kareena Kapoor (grin).
SwampWoman said…
My babies (and grandchildren) were very active from birth and seemingly needed no sleep whatsoever. I have heard that there are mythical "good babies" that are placid, quiet and content to be plopped in a carrier, but I have not run across them in the wild. My babies (and grandbabies) were always attached to me, either across a shoulder, on a hip, in a sling, or in one of those baby packs.

A very quiet baby that doesn't kick or wave his arms or respond to multiple stimuli at that age would certainly be suspicious of some type of developmental disability to me.
Anonymous said…
It's the "usually" and "possibly" that make this a question. I'm not saying that markle's leather *is* dog and cat, but i am saying that depending on the source of the leather, it could be. There is potential for scandal and I'd bet there is one in there, but I just don't know what it is. I am glad to know that leather from India is from a less horrid source, however. I'm also happy to hear that you saw no child labor, but I would think that any company giving tours might have enough sense to remove the young labor beforehand. I tend to be skeptical, obvi. Beats me. A quick google shows that the statistics are better but still too sad, and so again, quite possible that there is a scandal in that pile of markle. The polyester alone is taint-worthy. WTF were the eco-warriors thinking? Oh, wait, they weren't thinking - they were just grabbing.
Girl with a Hat said…
sorry about your shingles. I've heard they're very unpleasant. I hope any news about Markle will not aggravate things by getting you annoyed. News about her aggravates me. ;-)
Jen said…
Sorry to hear about the shingles! I had them when I was in HS and know how painful it is.
I used to work for a company that imported leather apparel from India. Leather from India is probably goatskin, possibly cow leather if it comes from northern provinces where Islam is the main religion and cows are not sacred. As for child labor, in all the factories I have visited I have never seen anyone under the age of sixteen or so. This is in New Delhi - perhaps it's different in the more rural areas.
SwampWoman said…
Oh, emeraldcity, I have been quite concerned about PP's health (if 'concerned' is the correct word for somebody that I will never meet. I know he is not politically correct and says what he thinks, but I like his acerbic and irreverent sense of humor.) I would think that, if he is in ill health, worries about his health would take precedence over a bothersome yet ultimately insignificant grandchild-in-law for QE.
@Liver Bird and Ava, I beg to differ. I’m in the UK and have seen photo’s of Catherine and/or the Nanny with at least one child and their dog in Kensington Palace gardens, and Catherine playing with George when they did a tour in Australia (which the Cambridge’s complained about), in the DM at least. Lots of photos too at polo, all unofficial.
Jdubya said…
Over 300 comments! Maybe just a new page - miscellaneous thoughts by your followers.
Ava C said…
Thanks so much for your kind comments! Yes it's awful but I was sent to a brilliant hospital emergency out-of-hours clinic (an early Sunday morning) and got anti-virals straightaway. There's a 72-hour window for that, when it'll really make a difference to speed of recovery. So for anyone else - don't delay.
abbyh said…
I was sad to hear you had this Ava.

For those who are not aware, there are two vaccines for shingles. The newer version is considered better (I have the older but will now make a push to get the other).

Talk to your health insurance hotline and find out if they will pay for this for you as this is something you don't want if you can avoid it.
MaLissa said…
@Ava sorry to hear about your shingles. I hope it isn't in a place where it's too uncomfortable. I had it a couple three years (more like 10+years) ago. I noticed a little itchy burny patch on my side (on the bra line) and called my doctor right away. Didn't know what it was but she said to come in right away. Glad I did because it was shingles and she put me on antibiotics and a prescription cream straight way. Anyway, hope you feel better soon :)
Ombrofil65 said…
Ava C - and others: Narcissists feed on ALL reactions - good or bad.

See this video from youtube: A very royal narcissist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_XgqOOHDWY

This guy knows what he is talking about: he's a narcissist himself.
Anonymous said…
I'm not discounting your experience. I'm saying that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And that is the point I'm raising -- your personal experience, though valid, is not conclusive evidence that the leather is goat/cow and children are not working in the factory. I have only read the statistics and based on those numbers, I know that the scenarios I have described as areas of concern are possible based on actual fact.
Mailcrate said…
That's the same fake Harry that was in the controversial jet pics. Someone also commented on TMZ that it's the guy from the dating Harry TV show. Might all be the same actor.
Ozmanda said…
Metadata :

Is a set of data describing and providing information about rights and administration of an image.

It allows information to be transported with an image file, in a way that can be understood by other software and human users.

The pixels of image files are created by automated capture from cameras or scanners. Metadata is stored in two main places:

Internally – embedded in the image file, in formats such as JPEG, DNG, PNG, TIFF …
Externally – outside the image file in a digital asset management system (DAM) or in a “sidecar” file (such as for XMP data) or an external news exchange format document as specified by the IPTC.

Administrative – creation date and location, instructions for the users, job identifiers, and other details.

Descriptive – information about the visual content. This may include headline, caption, keywords. Further persons, locations, companies, artwork or products shown in the image . This can be done using free text or codes from a controlled vocabulary or other identifiers.

Rights – identification of the creator, copyright information, credits and underlying rights in the visual content including model and property rights. Further rights usage terms and other data for licensing the use of the image.

It’s important that the metadata stored in an image file stays with the image. Metadata is essential for identification and copyright protection. Metadata are also key to smoothing workflow, easily finding digital images via search – online or offline – and tracking image usage - it is extremely difficult to fake metadata and In all my career of analyzing these things I have only seen a couple of times when the attempts were almost successful.

Anonymous said…
Excellent explanation. Far better than mine. But I do have a couple of questions now. Did you see the Charlatan Duchess info re the TMZ strip? Is that correct?
Also, the Microsoft Office data is easy enough to strip before sending. Is there a way to recover that? Digital images seem to be much more difficult based on what you've said. Is that the case? (Sorry, I know you're not a tutor, but I'm interested.)
Ava C said…
Shingles affected my arm with worst bit on my elbow so I had that feeling you get when you bang your elbow plus burning and nerve-pain. I woke up out of a deep sleep in great pain and we looked at it and thought I'd been bitten by something wierd. There was a big snake on the loose in Cambridge recently and I'm talking Cambridge UK where we don't worry about snakes. The pain was so bad I got my father to come and hold my hand and he was mystified at the level of pain. "When I was attacked in the jungle by all those hornets it wasn't this bad!" ( He's led an unusual life.) Anyway, the rash has gone but the pain and sensitivity remains, but I've been told that's normal. And yes, getting vaccinated is important.

I'm almost grateful to Meghan for distracting me from the pain. She keeps us busy with new material, you can say that for her.

And thank you again for your best wishes, and to Nutty for her new thread. This must be the greatest number of comments yet. It's a real community and we have such a variety of contributors. And we're really thinking about this, not just dashing off a sarcastic line or two. It's great.
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