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Thoughts on Disclosure vs Nondisclosure, or Andrew vs Meghan

There's been plenty of ink spilled today about Prince Andrew's interview with the BBC last night and whether or not he was appropriately sorry (or truthful) about his interactions with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Andrew's explanations may have sounded limp (I don't drink. I don't recall meeting that women. I was busy that night, taking Beatrice to the Pizza Express in Woking), but unlike his spin doctor, I think the interview was a good idea.

Andrew's reputation was in tatters and his business and charity projects were overshadowed by his role in the Epstein case.

And the lives of his daughters were on hold too, leaving them unable to bid for a place as working royals, or even get someone to design them a wedding dress, as long as the unanswered cloud of accusations hung over Andrew's head.

Now that he's spoken out, the Royal family can decide what to do with him.

More precisely, Charles can decide what to do with him. Or, given Charles' hopeless dithering and poor health, William can.

According to the Times, William's team has been leaking unflattering stories about Andrew to the media for several months.

Information is power

Centuries ago, the greatest threats to the British monarchy were the Spanish Armada or the French Army.

These days, the greatest threat is information that can damage the Royal Family's reputation and weaken public support for its existence.

Which brings us back to Duchess Meghan.

Meghan likes to collect information about the Royals, all the way back to her dating days with Harry, when she was reportedly caught taking photos of private areas of Kensington Palace and was escorted to the airport and sent back to Canada.

And she likes to share information about the Royals.

It seems likely that Kate's falling-out with her neighbor Rose Hanbury, and William's reported one-on-one dinner with Rose, transmogified into rumors of a torrid affair with the help of Meg and her minions.

The rumors were 'confirmed' by Meg's Soho House cohort Giles Coren, a Times food critic, who tweeted that "everyone knows" about the affair before quickly deleting the tweet.

What information does she have?

Meg's penchant for storing and sharing information, and perhaps Harry's penchant for sharing it with her, would be a very good reason they will not be joining the family for Christmas at Sandringham this year.

The Royals can't be enthusiastic about having them around at a place and time when they let their hair down - particularly William, who is known to be privacy-obsessed.

But Meg already has plenty of information about the Royals she would have collected during the time they were trying to welcome her into the family, plus information she could have elicited from Harry both before and during their marriage.

What will she do with that information? How could she benefit from sharing it? And how could she be kept from sharing it, if that's what the Royals would prefer?

NDAs can be circumvented

Certainly, if there is a divorce, Meg's monetary settlement will come with a non-disclosure agreement. But NDAs increasingly aren't worth the paper they're written on, and they can easily be circumvented by having "a friend" disclose sensitive information, potentially via social media.

Giles Coren is a good example of this type of "friend."

What's more, the information doesn't even have to be true. A powerful technique is to mix true information, particularly information that can be publicly confirmed, with information that is false and potentially damaging.

For example, in a multicultural Britain, the suggestion that Royal Family Member Z made statements that were racist or Islamophobic would be shocking, and raise questions about whether a traditional monarchy can really reflect modern Britain.

The most damaging person to attach this to would be William, who has emerged as the family's great hope for the future.

The tell-all book

So, let's say Meghan gets kicked out of the family, possibly with Harry trailing behind her. The Sussex branch signs an NDA and gets a certain amount of money, but quickly spends that amount and  wants more.

As Thomas Markle once confirmed, Meghan loves to "bend the rules". It certainly wouldn't be hard to imagine her threatening to share information that would damage the Royals, either directly or through "friends".

Whether nor not this information is true or not is immaterial. (After all, Marie Antoinette never really said 'let them eat cake', but that didn't help her avoid the guilliotine.)

Meghan has supposedly been collecting information ever since she arrived in the UK and sending it overseas for safekeeping; giving her love for writing about herself, this seems likely, and the Royals probably know it.


Dead-man's switch?

An interesting question might be: does Meghan's so-called 'diary' have a dead-man's switch? If something were, uh, to happen to Meghan, is the information set up to be disclosed anyway?

It's an interesting question, because people in power will do what they have to do to protect themselves. After all, look at what happened to Epstein.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that William met with Hillary Clinton this week.

Comments

Fairy Crocodile said…
Why is Clinton off the hook? Andrew is finished but Billy will sail into sunset? He has ties to E as well as Hillary.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
I can't wait to see the Deplorable Duo go down.

Bill is a disgustng sleaze and Hill is an enabler pretending to be a feminist.
lizzie said…
I had some sympathy for HRC when Bill was on the national stage running for and serving as president. It must have been difficult to deal with his scummy behavior in those settings. But any sympathy I ever had (and it wasn't all that much) ran out last year when she said Bill's affair with Monica L wasn't an abuse of power because she was an adult. Yeah, a 22-yr old intern and he was the president and leader of the free world. Right, no power differential there! (And no, I don't hold ML entirely blameless but that doesn't let Bill off the hook.) Plus, it wasn't the first time. He also abused his power when he was governor.
Jen said…
@Lizzie, she lost all of my respect when she attacked the women that accused Bill of rape. Her husband is just like PA; for whatever reason, he believes he's God's gift to women and should be able to do whatever he wants. It sickens me to think that people still like this guy, even though he's been accused of raping numerous women, and is part of this JE horror. Oh, but he's "charming" so let's give him a pass....ugh, it's disgusting.

She stood by her man because she wanted power. SHE is far more dangerous then Bill, and I firmly believe that she has made people disappear. Way too many people in their circle (who just so happened to wrong them) have died mysteriously, and that is no coincidence. Epstein is only the most recent.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Fairy Crocodile said...
Why is Clinton off the hook? Andrew is finished but Billy will sail into sunset? He has ties to E as well as Hillary.


It is curious, isn't it? There is a lot more evidence against BC than against PA including forcible rape.

Jen said…
The Clinton's are made of teflon. They seem to weather any and all storms; nothing touches them. The mere fact that Hillary is not in jail, speaks to the level of protection this family has. I sincerely hope that is not the case here, but I have very little faith in our FBI (not the agents, but rather the top brass). I feel like too many are loyal to the Clinton's and will do what it takes to protect Bill. The MSM in America is the same; too many former Clinton people in the media...they will protect him from this Epstein story for as long as they can.
lizzie said…
@Jen, I know what you mean. I didn't like her attacking his accusers either. But I still had some (not alot, but some) sympathy because it was possible for me to believe that she actually believed Bill back then. Doesn't excuse her attacks but I couldn't rule out the possibility that at that point in time, she believed his denials. And I'd have sympathy for any woman in that situation especially if it was public. I no longer think that was what was going on but it's what I thought at the time. But once she (essentially) claimed an "abuse of power" can't happen between adults, she lost all sympathy. Plus, what a stupid thing to say!
SwampWoman said…
Jen said: She stood by her man because she wanted power. SHE is far more dangerous then Bill, and I firmly believe that she has made people disappear. Way too many people in their circle (who just so happened to wrong them) have died mysteriously, and that is no coincidence. Epstein is only the most recent.

I almost spit out my coffee when I read this because I thought that I had inadvertently posted what I had previously written but instead sighed and changed it into something blander. Yes, x 1,000. There's a reason that "Arkancided" and "Killary" have entered the lexicon of American life because the number of deaths of people that surround them would make a Mafia don proud.

She's like a malignant venomous spider sitting smugly in her web bloated with feeding off the bodies of her enemies.

Jen said…
@Lizzie....the moment she sat on TV and said that the attacks and accusations against her husband was a "vast right wing conspiracy" I knew she wasn't just a poor wife who knew nothing. She had a plan and she began to execute that plan. I was a teenager at the time, and even I knew she was dangerous (yes, I paid attention to politics back then).

PA made a vital mistake when he gave the no holds barred interview. He opened himself up to more scrutiny, and quite honestly, may have put the final nails in his own coffin. I certainly hope that the BRF will retire him now, for the sake of the monarchy.
So in some Meghan related news .... Mm has now been named the Time's most stylish person of the year. Really?? Meghan? The Meghan with the yak on her head, Meghan?? The Meghan who seems to be wearing bulletproof vests in all those south Africa shrits dressed Meghan?? Tell me this is a joke.
Jen said…
@Alice, Surrey James...Time is not the magazine it used to be, so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. We all know she is FAR from stylish and it's pretty embarrassing for them to give her that title. It amazes me why so many are bending over backwards for her. I just don't get it!
CatEyes said…
@SwampWoman said
>She's like a malignant venomous spider sitting smugly in her web bloated with feeding off the bodies of her enemies>

That is so 'rich'!! I am going to have to borrow that phrase. Much more graphic than the 'teenie weenie' remark about Epstain. lol
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ Jen "Clintons made of teflon". yes indeed. We called Tony Blair "Teflon Tony" and he seemed invincible. However wheels of karma work slowly but thoroughly. Tony is still not in jail where he has to be but he is truly the most hated politician in UK. His touch has become toxic. Clintons will get what they deserve. Hopefully Hillary will never become the first woman president of the USA.
SwampWoman said…
Dang it, I posted before I asked my question: What was malignant venomous spider HRC doing meeting with PW? We know that she was an Epstein associate. Maybe she was just getting financial advice for her foundation. Maybe PA was just getting financial advice, too. (Stop laughing, you cynical bloggers!) Hillary's shout out of support to MM woke up the conspiracy hamster slumbering in the wheel, the wheel started turning, and I started wondering whether MM was connected to Epstein and the Clintons as well. I don't think HC's visit with PW and the SHTF re Andrew were coincidental.

Ah, well, I need to cut the caffeine to the hamster in the wheel, throw it some carbs, and let it get back to hibernation so I can get on with my day.

Maybe Epstein really was helping them manage their money.


Fairy Crocodile said…
@Swamp Woman You have a great sense of humor. Like you
Jen said…
For what it is worth, we just do not have a lot of information on any of this. That doesn't mean we can't speculate on a lot of it, and speculation is not what the monarchy needs right now. For the sake of the future of the monarchy and his mother's legacy, PA needs to retire from public life, NOW.

@Swampwoman, I think it's very possible that she was meeting with PW over shared interest with the King's College women's initiative thing; I believe someone else mentioned that up thread. It certainly makes more sense than anything else. I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting...I imagine more was discussed, but of what nature, who knows.

@Fairy Crocodile, I am not familiar enough with Blair's crimes to know why he should be in jail...but does he have any ties to Epstein? LOL. Seems everyone does....
CatEyes said…
@Alice, Surrey James said
>So in some Meghan related news .... Mm has now been named the Time's most stylish person of the year. Really?? Meghan? <

You can put clothes on a scarecrow but it's still a scarecrow. We must be living in an alternate universe because Meghan and stylish are two words that don't belong in the same sentence. Even K.Kardashian can wear clothes better and that is not saying much. Yes, theTimes has certainly gone down in esteem, so much so, I don't even bother looking at it when I am in a doctor's waiting room.
SwampWoman said…
Alice, Surrey James said...
So in some Meghan related news .... Mm has now been named the Time's most stylish person of the year. Really?? Meghan? The Meghan with the yak on her head, Meghan?? The Meghan who seems to be wearing bulletproof vests in all those south Africa shirts dressed Meghan?? Tell me this is a joke.


I believe that it means that there is hope for me as a style icon sitting here at my computer, nursing a cup of unsweetened coffee (I've sinned on the carbs and that is my repentance). I am currently sporting Einstein hair, fuzzy jaguar print pajama bottoms and a black long-sleeved T-shirt. I should take a selfie and send it to Time magazine except that I would then have to kill anybody that saw the picture and I haven't had enough coffee for that. Yet.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Jen Funny you asked if Blair had any ties to E. Just a minute ago I saw a headline from Aug 2019

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1165636/jeffrey-epstein-conspiracy-us-paedophile-tony-blair-prince-andrew-fbi-investigation

Blair is in E's little black book
CatEyes said…
@Fairy Crocodile said
> Hopefully Hillary will never become the first woman president of the USA.<

Oh, and she tries to remain relevant by floating that possibility with the public. Just the other day she played coy about her possible run. Well, that 'ship has sailed' and it is now sunk.

Maybe I missed it here, but has anyone posted about Bill's explanation on why he was 'Epstain's' guest on the Lolita Express, especially so many times? I don't know why the US media has not done an investigative piece on who was involved with the pervert (besides Ghislaine Maxwell and PA). Now that one, GM, she is a 'Teflon Donna'!!
Chiland said…
Oh dear. This blog has turned from quite interesting conversation and analytics to a group of conservative harpies blathering on. So sad and disappointing to see. I’m out.
Sheena said…
Personally I am loving the blathering so I´ll continue lurking.
Glow W said…
The long the Andrew discoveries go on, the more I think H&M and I guess sunshine sacs played it expertly to get them out of the news and the stories and let Andrew take all of it. (In the same way Charles and Anne are out of the country also)
SwampWoman said…
Conservative harpies sounds like a great band name! Go away, Hillary, you are irrelevant.

@Swampwoman, I think it's very possible that she was meeting with PW over shared interest with the King's College women's initiative thing; I believe someone else mentioned that up thread. It certainly makes more sense than anything else. I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting...I imagine more was discussed, but of what nature, who knows.


Hunh. Well, I would certainly like to see that curriculum. Hiding the bodies 101, how to hire a hitman for fun and profit, how to make big money in cattle futures, using your man to attain power even though he'd rather be selling used cars, burying bimbo eruptions, how to use character assassination for those bimbos that you can't bury, establishing foundations for pay to play, how to have an ambassador killed while secretary of state and blame it on an obscure film maker etc. And there were LOTS of et ceteras.

Claiming to be a feminist while simultaneously destroying other women's (and men's) lives and character does not sit well with me.

If I were PW, I wouldn't meet with her unless I had a spray bottle of holy water and a guard armed with pesticide and silver bullets.

Nutty Flavor said…
Hi from my business trip.

Just a few comments on the above - I don't know that Bill Clinton has, actually, emerged unscathed from the Epstein accusations. Have you seen any of the Democratic candidates asking for his help or endorsement this year? His reputation isn't good, particularly among the under-40 crowd.

I also don't think that the Andrew revelations have been good for the Sussexes. There has been more and more talk about the need for a slimmed-down monarchy, and since Harry and Meghan have proclaimed their unhappiness, they would seem to be easy candidates for the chop. The bigger question would be about people like Princess Anne (old enough to retire) or the Wessexes (not old enough to retire) who do an enormous amount of work while causing very little trouble. Do they get the chop too?

Nevertheless, the maxim "never waste a crisis" applies here to Charles. If he misses this opportunity to cut back the Royal Family, he's very foolish.

Finally, conservative harpies are welcome here, as are left-wing harpies, as long as we stick to our main topic, which is the Sussexes. I am interested in everybody's point of view.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
They used to call PM Mark Rutte "Teflon Mark" too.

Don't know if that's still the case (too lazy to read Dutch lol the grammar's all wonky and I get confused).

"Teflon Tony" sounds catchier tho. "Teflon Jezza", not so much.
Mimi said…
Meghan as the most stylish person of the year? For me it is a toss up between Meghan and Beatrice and Eugenie as far as who dresses the worst. I have never seen such a bunch of horribly dressed royals. And don’t get me started on what Princess Michael (?) wore to her son’s wedding!!!!!!! ( and what the bride wore) 😳 What is wrong with these people?????
Scandi Sanskrit said…
@Chiland:

Jonathan Pie 🥧 says it's unhealthy for you to not listen to opinions that differ from your own, you know.

In other news, there's an app for that: https://youtu.be/430AkfgGf1M
SouthernGinger said…
They must not have seen MM in that god awful tent dress she wore to the polo match. I was shocked at how terrible she looked especially next to Catherine.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Nutty Flavor said...
Hi from my business trip.

Just a few comments on the above - I don't know that Bill Clinton has, actually, emerged unscathed from the Epstein accusations. Have you seen any of the Democratic candidates asking for his help or endorsement this year? His reputation isn't good, particularly among the under-40 crowd.


Hi, Nutty! Hope your business trip is fun and profitable.

If any Democrat politicians are, they certainly aren't publicizing it! It makes me throw up a little to say this (gag), but Bill in his day had a firm grasp on politics and how to win elections and his advice would probably be helpful. (Now I have to go wash my mouth out with laundry detergent because soap just isn't strong enough to remove the bad taste.)
Glow W said…
@nutty I think first on the chop would be the queen’s cousins, like duke and duchess of Gloucester and the duke and duchess of Kent, princess Alexandria, and prince and princess Michael of Kent who are all still working royals,
Glow W said…
*princess Alexandra
Mimi said…
SouthernGinger, That tent dress may have been the worst thing she has ever worn. She looked really bad that day. She looked angry, crazy and that is the day I told myself, that is not her baby because not only did she not hold it properly but there was absolutely no love for that baby in her face. Harry didn’t run up to her and grab his newborn son out of her arms and love him up, instead he looked pissed that she was there. Kate didn’t even get near her. It looked like a very tense 15 minutes. (supposedly how long she was there)
lizzie said…
@Tatty. Maybe. But in the Court Circular there are about 59 different events recorded for the past week (Nov 13-20) It looks like the overall number is a bit higher than some weeks because Anne, Sophie, Charles, and Camilla have all been overseas. The Duchess of Gloucester also left for Spain according to the CC. Trips abroad can mean the number of different events builds up fast.

The Gloucesters and Princess Alexandra have done a total of about 6 of those events while Harry did 1. Andrew did 0. Meghan did 0. And even William did only 4.

With slimming done that way it sounds like some things just won't be done anymore.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger tatty said...
@nutty I think first on the chop would be the queen’s cousins, like duke and duchess of Gloucester and the duke and duchess of Kent, princess Alexandria, and prince and princess Michael of Kent who are all still working royals,


I don't think that shuffling the working elder royals (and the PoW's contemporaries) off to the Royal Assisted Living Facility as a reward for their long and faithful service while PA and PH and MM are still trotting about doing whatever it is that they do on the company payroll would be good optics. (Oh, lordy, I have to get the laundry detergent out again because I had to use that word optics that I despise.)

I'm probably wrong in my assumption of how the British people would view it though.

KnitWit said…
He may give another interview...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-andrew-considers-the-nuclear-option-after-new-epstein-accuser-revelations-another-tv-interview
Hikari said…
I saw that TIME "Most Stylish Dresser of the Year" award, and stared in incredulity at my phone for several seconds, so great was the disconnect-my mind could not process it.

This comes on the heels of a Yahoo! article yesterday enumerating all the 'false stories and rumors' which MM has added to her suit against the Daily Mail. (Oh, yes, it's no longer just Mail on Sunday in the crosshairs)

Most of the items which MM is alleging were damaging falsehood printed negligently by the DM have to do with the renovations to Frogmore:

NO orangeries, floating yoga floor, or copper bathtub. No Nanny suite for Doria. No extensive garden reno. I suppose the whole "Harry's installing a barbecue pit" will shortly be named also.

Imagine my surprise, since we have figured all along that Meghan herself has been the source of these endless 'rumors' swirling around FroggyCott, which her sugar media have dutifully printed as gospel. If they emanate from Meg's own office, why shouldn't they, no matter how increasingly bizarre.

Since the climate of England is inhospitable to oranges, it seems very unlikely indeed that some staffer at the Daily Mail decided to throw in a bit about Meghan having her own orangerie for a bit of the old S&G. Or a $6500 copper bathtub. Or the vegan nursery paint. With the grilling season so brief in England, it also seems a stretch that the paper would decide out of the blue to make up a story about Harry putting in a fire pit now, as Christmas approaches.

Meg appears to be suing the paper for printing lies she herself sent them. I hope the DM has all the documentation needed to prove those stories all came from her in the first place, in which case they are going to obliterate her in court. Being a narcissist, she presumably still thinks she can win and they are just going to roll over and give her a huge bucket of money. This is another of her income generating schemes.

Meg's cost to the Royal Family is proving incalculable on every level. She's assured herself of notoriety for the ages, which is fame, all right. Just not the good kind. But people years hence will know the name Meghan Markle. She's going to be a case study from hell for a number of fields.
Sarah said…
Andrew is stepping away from public life. Announcement on Instagram
Liver Bird said…
Wow. That's huge. I don't think there's any precedent for this in modern times. I'm actually a bit schocked, as things normally happen at a glacial place in the royal family, but it's only been 3 days since that disastrous interview.

Good.
SwampWoman said…
I saw that TIME "Most Stylish Dresser of the Year" award, and stared in incredulity at my phone for several seconds, so great was the disconnect-my mind could not process it.

I think THAT is deserving of a lawsuit for false stories and rumors.
SwampWoman said…
Wow. That's huge. I don't think there's any precedent for this in modern times. I'm actually a bit shocked, as things normally happen at a glacial place in the royal family, but it's only been 3 days since that disastrous interview.

Good.


Do you think that he's doing it voluntarily for the good of the family, or do you think that he's been taken to the woodshed for some long overdue discipline?
Liver Bird said…
Who knows? These last few days have been an utter disaster for him, with organisations rushing to distance themselves from him. The fool thought he was 'drawing a line under it', but in fact it just shoved it into the open again and showed just how breathtakingly arrogant and callous he is. Bad, bad move.

I also wouldn't be surrpised if he were trying to get ahead of an even more damaging story about to break.
Mimi said…
A word to Harry regarding his uncle Andrew......this is what happens when you get too big for your britches. Take heed!!!!
SwampWoman said…
A word to Harry regarding his uncle Andrew......this is what happens when you get too big for your britches. Take heed!!!!

Indeed, Mimi. When I read that Andrew was stepping down (or was asked/told to step down), I immediately thought that the Sussexes were going to be next on the PITA hit list.
Nutty Flavor said…
Hi all! Just put up an open post to discuss Andrew's decision.
Fairy Crocodile said…
The cynic in me thinks he is trying to deflect from his lavish lifestyle beyond his means. As well as hoping out of sight out of mind principle would work
SwampWoman said…
I also wouldn't be surprised if he were trying to get ahead of an even more damaging story about to break.

@ Liver Bird: Oh, my word, I hope not. *sigh* Let me rephrase that. If there are horrific things going on, might as well expose it to the light and let it all get disinfected and punish the wrong doers.

I keep reading rumors about PP's precarious state of health and pray that it is not that.
Christine said…
Hello! I am new to your blog but I find it so interesting and so insightful. So I thought I would comment and thank you!
I too was excited for Harry when he met Meghan but I sensed narcissism immediately and that has only exploded with all the things that have happened since their marriage. The worst being the disassociation that Harry has with his family now, his brother in particular. I, unlike others, have understood the silence of the senior members of the Royal Family early on. My mom's saying is 'Least Said- Soonest Mended". Now, however, things are SO out of control now with Andrew and Harry and Meghan, that the future of the entire Royal Family seems to be in jeopardy. Others commented on William throughout all of this- I too have noticed the change in William. Emphasis is always on Kate with her beauty, class and discreet confidence. What about William? He seems to have emerged as the powerhouse of the family. He's the only one who has shown outward signs of dislike to Meghan: the scarf incident, the expressions on his face at both Harry and Meghan's wedding and Archie's baptism. He seems to be friendly and and charming, but with a steely cool. He seems to be always observing. The term at MI6 was very intriguing. I believe that he will be a different type of monarch and is positioning himself in that order already. I think that Charles has a difficult time with confrontation, especially with Harry. You know...as a parent sometimes you have that child that is difficult to manage for both emotional reasons and just a lack of knowing what to do!
SwampWoman said…
Hi, unknown! Very nice observations! I believe everybody has moved over to the new blog entry about Andrew's stepping back/down. I urge you to copy it and put it over there where everybody will be sure to see it!
Scandi Sanskrit said…
Yay does this mean we won't have to hear from icky Andrew anymore?

No 2nd interview with non-cops then?

The only good thing to come out of this is he put me off Pizza Marzano/Express (which I shouldn't be having anyway—pesky health issues). 🍕

Yeah, not craving pizza much these days... (Puke!)

Pizza Marzano/Express should sue his ass.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-50490066

Like why did he have to mention the business' name. Only a clueless jackass who's never had to earn a living [and a heartless "woke" vegan I saw on Udemy] could do such an inconsiderate thing to a business.

PS: Not saying his *victims* should be forgotten, just don't want to hear about/see HIS face anymore because it's revolting. He reminds me of a guy I had a crush on at my internship, he was my boss' boss' boss's boss' boss! (At least 4 levels above me!) Major power imbalance there (he was gay/monosexual tho so he was totally harmless to me and always appropriate, but just the fact that it's so easy for people like me to fall for people like him when you're vulnerable and young, thankfully I'm older/wiser now).

Start focusing on Deplorable Duo, Billy & Hill, maybe?

I agree with everyone who says they're no longer the power couple they used to be and thank goodness for that. But I disagree that Hillary met with William to brief him on the Middle East: to coach him on what? On "How To Be the Most Disliked Westerner in the Region"?

I don't care how "knowledgable" of actual facts a person is when their sentiments/actions are coloured by their "Ugly American" attitude.

(At least Barry Okboomer was a Third Culture Kid! Now that's a guy wity *perspective* for MoFA work.)

"Knowledge" is like knives: you can use them to nurture people through food or you can harm others. And Killary is no chef of international cuisine.
Scandi Sanskrit said…
Also who cares what mainstream media call "stylish" or "iconic" these days?

Remember when everybody thought Lady Gaga was original AF when she first came out? I thought she looked like a Kylie Minogue backup dancer from 2001: https://youtu.be/c18441Eh_WE

Does nobody know who Kylie is in the US or something?! Genuinely perplexed.
NeutralObserver said…
@CatEyes, Yes, we completely misunderstood one another. I thought you were criticizing me in your earlier comment because I've mentioned HC. We seem to be in agreement about her. I'm jealous of your Native American ancestry. I was hoping I would have some Native American ancestry that would show up when I had my DNA done. No luck. ;- ( !

@SwampWoman, @Mimi, I didn't read the male hooker's book, just news articles about it. Sometimes publishers or writer's agents will seed stories in the press with a few dishy details hoping people will buy the books thinking there's even more dirt in them. I'm actually not much of a Hollywood gossip person, if you can believe that. I don't want the image of Kate & Spencer spoiled either. I tend to be highly skeptical of lurid unproven stories about dead people. I saw an article in the NY Times about a project on Mr. Rogers. If they uncover any dirt about him, I will probably never be able to get out of bed again.

@SwampWoman, your type of guy sounds pretty dishy.
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 Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event?   Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th?  Oscar's - March 10th?   In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US.  The IRS just never goes away.  Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on).  There's always another one.  Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California.   That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales.   Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere.  But.  The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.  

Christmas is Coming

 The recent post which does mention that the information is speculative and the response got me thinking. It was the one about having them be present at Christmas but must produce the kids. Interesting thought, isn't it? Would they show?  What would we see?  Would there now be photos from the rota?   We often hear of just some rando meeting of rando strangers.  It's odd, isn't it that random strangers just happen to recognize her/them and they have a whole conversation.  Most recently it was from some stranger who raved in some video (link not supplied in the article) that they met and talked and listened to HW talk about her daughter.  There was the requisite comment about HW of how she is/was so kind).  If people are kind, does the world need strangers to tell us (are we that kind of stupid?) or can we come to that conclusion by seeing their kindness in action?  Service. They seem to always be talking about their kids, parenthood and yet, they never seem to have the kids