The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced that they are stepping down as senior Royals.
Supposedly the announcement, which was made on Instagram, went ahead without informing the Queen in advance.
There are already many comments discussing the Sussex announcement on the previous post, but let's continue the discussion here.
Supposedly the announcement, which was made on Instagram, went ahead without informing the Queen in advance.
There are already many comments discussing the Sussex announcement on the previous post, but let's continue the discussion here.
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https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-harry-and-meghans-markles-absurd-definition-of-financial-independence/news-story/5ae272a38203fdf5cc17ef6e1aa8e47d
And once again, they will have to be stripped of their royal status. They have shown that they are loose cannons, and they simply cannot be seen to be representing the Commonwealth, The Crown and the United Kingdom due to the vitally important apolitical nature of the RF.
There is far too big a risk of them shooting their mouths off about domestic and international political issues which could cause serious harm to both the Royal Family as well as anyone they antagonise. The deal with the RF is to keep out of politics as they are not elected and therefore not able to interfere with govt, otherwise it looks like they are wielding power/influence from an unelected position. Charles' Black Spider memos were a very big deal over here, and it's a sure bet that MM/PH will be even more forthright in their views about far more sensitive topics.
For this issue alone they will not keep their titles as they have proved that they cannot be trusted. And that they're alsoe not that bright either.
It might explain why Harry looks like an empty shell, he is physically afraid of her.
She can get violent. Those big wet eyes and weak smile are just a mask.
Remember she threw a teapot at somebody and the RF had to pay to silence the victim.
“PEOPLE understands that Archie remained in Canada while the couple flew to London, where they made their first appearance of the new year at Canada House on Tuesday to thank the country for hosting them during their holiday getaway. Meghan, 38, and Prince Harry, 35, plan to return to Canada and reunite with their son soon.
It is believed that Archie stayed with Meghan’s close pal Jessica Mulroney, whose three children served as page boys and a flower girl in the couple’s royal wedding in May 2018. Shortly after the couple made their shocking announcement that they intended to “step back as ‘senior’ members of the Royal Family” in order to “carve out a progressive new role within this institution” on Wednesday, Jessica appeared to voice her support via an Instagram post.”
This is the only source. Just Jared popped up, but quoting the above, so that doesn’t count to me.
I’m waiting for other outlets to report it before I explode and comment.
But if a very pro Meghan outlet published a story which portrays her in a bad light, my guess is it's true.
"Harry later requested a meeting with the Queen at Sandringham upon his arrival back in the UK this weekend with Meghan and their son Archie, which followed a six-week Christmas break to Canada."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870105/The-Queen-Prince-Charles-locked-crisis-talks-Prince-Harry-day-avert-royal-war.html
“Harry and Meghan won’t play the Game”
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/01/prince-harry-meghan-markle-sussex/604657/
About the choices open to the BRF - we know H&M will continue to be a disgrace wherever they are in the world, so surely it's better to disown them rather than have them disgracing themselves as HRHs. There's no controlling them. Surely the BRF realises that by now.
If the BRF cut them off now, cleanly, the bulk of the country would be behind them. Look how William's stock soared just by finding his scarf more important than Meghan! Women started admiring him again, just like the old days ... :-)
“Prince Harry and Meghan’s decision to 'escape' looks like a carefully laid plan
The couple reportedly trademarked more than 100 items to their Sussex Royal brand more than more than six months ago”
The fact that this appears in People, MM's paid sycophantic rag makes it suspect.
Not only do the geographical logistics not work, but there are a few other items that do not pass the smell test.
1. Archie has been acknowledged in the succession, and this was reiterated by the Queen's welcome of him in the Christmas speech. Unless Her Maj was lying to the nation and the world, Archie exists and is being accepted into the family, however he arrived.
2. Therefore, he cannot just be 'left' in a foreign country, in the care of an unauthorized civilian couple. Or just left in a foreign country with RPOs and nannies, either. RPOs work for the Queen, not the Dumbarkles. No RPO who valued his/her job or wished to avoid potentially being brought up on charges of criminal dereliction of duty would be okay with being left behind with an heir to the Crown without the Queen's written consent, as part of Meg's clandestine plot against the BRF. They would have kept the Palace informed, and if necessary, dispatched agents of the Queen (MI:6) to retrieve the baby. Harry and Meg's RPOs would not have willingly gotten on a plane back to London without the baby aboard.
3. If, somehow, the Dumbarkles smuggled/concealed the baby from the RPOs and did leave him behind, then they are guilty of high treason and need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Where are the dogs, Meg? Are they left behind too, to keep Archie company?
I'm convinced that Archie was no more in Canada than the dogs were. Either the Queen has him safe . . . or the Harkles never had that baby to begin with.
Meghan's dangerous game has passed the rubicon. If she speaks truth (for the first time in her life) she needs to be arrested. If she's made it up and she's still fabricating these tales about them being a real family with a baby they can leave where they like, then she needs to be incarcerated in a mental hospital.
I always knew it would come down to Archie.
Of course, a reporter would assume since H&M have been seen in the UK, their infant son wasn't in another country on another continent. After all, it wasn't that long ago it was reported M said she had to leave an event after only a brief period because it was Archie's "feed time." Who would think she and Harry would leave him on another continent for who knows how long?
The People story may not be true. But People is AKA "Meghan's Mouthpiece."
I wrongly believed that Trudeau wouldn't want someone else in the limelight, but after his minority governments election in October, he's stepped back and is letting his deputy PM do most of the work. So I think this is very possible. God help us. Canadians freak out over politicians expense accounts, Megs will never survive that.
If any fellow Nutties are old enough to remember the film Valley of the Dolls, the spoiled, self-destructive superstar Neeley O'Hara ends up crawling in a dark alley in full diva mode, friends, money and status gone. That's my favourite H&M fantasy.
Gert’s Royals: you can’t have one foot in and one foot out
Richard palmer: there is currently no guarantee tha H+M will be able to combine earning a professional income with undertaking a royal role.
Dickie Arbiter: HB to doc
Emily Andrews: BP sources say this is to be sorted quickly.
Chris Ship: but they will do this in a few days? I mean that is an ambitious timetable! And
Basically the anger and shock of yesterday has given way to an acknowledgement int he Royal Family that this is the new situation and they simply have to deal with what’s in front of them.
Richard Eden: Prince and Princess Michael of Kent have continued to earn money from commercial ventures while retaining their titles. They were not allowed to carry out any royal engagements though. And
I think Apple have already got them in the bag via their pal Oprah
But it doesn't explain those bizarre results. 60% of Canadians really think Harry would do a fine job as Governor General of their country? Still? The party prince who couldn't pass any of his courses at school without cheating? Someone utterly devoid of ability in French? (Oh, but Meg is fluent, isn't she, so she could welcome all the official delegations in French.) Harry's pretty young for the post, has no foreign service experience, no work ethic and is a documented drug user.
Um .. no.
Regardless of what 60% of Canadians may or may not want, doesn't the sovereign appoint the Governors General? The Dumbarkles can't handle a 10 day tour to South Africa without making the Crown look idiotic--Harry doesn't even know how to spell Governor General withou help.
Mon Dieu, what a couple of imbeciles.
I am a long-time lurker, but this has brought me out of the shadows. I’m gobsmacked by the Narkles blazing audacity to do this to HMTQ! I hope more than anything they are stripped of their titles and left to merch their evil hearts out.
I’ve followed royal families faithfully for five years. I do not believe Harry would belatedly defy the queen without severe pressure from his wife. Of course, he is weak and feckless if he allowed his wife to do this. I cannot believe the queen will allow all that she and those who reigned before her have worked for to crumble because of another American divorcee.
One last thought, I felt at Christmas, as most of you did, that HMTQ was sending strong messages; I do not believe she was blind to all that was going on with the Narkles. She may not have known to what extent, but she knew all was not well. Badly done, Harry! Badly done!
I hope this is settled fast. I thought I read where Emily Andrews said it probably would be.
Thanks for another nickname for the Disastrous Duo to add to my stable: The Narkles. I love it.
I sort of hope Wills is made of sterner material and I liked Camilla much recently. Jury is out on some of them still.
I am done with the Queen though. She comes across as a wet rug. Yes, she is 93 but she is the Head of State and if she can't even deal with these two pathetic blackmailers she should step down. Period.
And I used to greatly respect her.
‘A YouGov poll on Thursday found that 45% of people supported Harry and Meghan's decision to step back from their roles, while just over a quarter (26%) opposed it.
Nearly two thirds of people (63%) think income from the Duchy of Cornwall for the couple should stop, while just 13% think they should be allowed to keep it.
The poll was of 1,327 people.’
If the Queen wants The Sussex’s debacle sorted out within days and not weeks, simple option is to take everything away. Everything is up for scrutiny and even the security provided.
@Bootsy, great comments!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870677/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-left-young-Archie-Canada-friend-Jessica-Mulroney.html
Caring and concerned parents do not both leave their infant son with a friend on another continent. That makes no sense.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10708023/harry-meghan-privilege-money-future/
It is Catherine's birthday and instead of being at home with her and his children and family, William is locked in crisis meetings with Harry and Meghan (I have no doubt that Meghan is there even if official communications are not naming her). This meeting includes government officials from two countries on two different continents (different time zones). All attention is being given to finding a way to give Meghan and Harry what they want as quickly as possible (bend the rules, make something up ...). There was another option - give aides and other knowledgeable people time to look over your proposals (demands), discuss it with Prince Charles and we will find a way to come to an agreement and sort out the complexities, and in the meanwhile do not say anything. What you are seeing happening is a malignant narcissist at work.
I wonder if all those people pulled into this meeting from Canada, the British government, Sandringham House (the Queen's aides will be with her), Clarence House and Kensington Palace are aware of this? Meghan and Harry will not take no for an answer on any of their demands, and if anything is refused them they will take it very badly. Is anyone in any of these places tough enough to deal decisively with a malignant narcissist?
Personally, I think they may be paranoid and fear he will be kidnapped by the crown or taken custody by some child protection entity.
“This is what you have to understand about Harry and Meghan,” a close associate of the deeply troubled royal couple told me over the New Year break.
“If you dare to raise any questions about whatever mad-capped plan or idea they have, you’re immediately sidelined.
“They’ll blank you and find someone else who will agree with whatever it is they want to do.” But, they quickly added: “If it all goes spectacularly wrong, have no doubt that you’ll be the one blamed.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10708023/harry-meghan-privilege-money-future/
I remember reading an interview in the DM with the owner of the UK talent agency Meghan was using before she got married. Can't remember her name but she said Meghan was very difficult to work with because she wouldn't listen to anybody. If anybody suggested a different viewpoint or different way things could be done Meghan would just say they weren't on the same page and got rid of them. Owner of talent agency also said she had lunch with Meghan right after she got engaged and told Meghan get ready because she'd have a lot less privacy and Meghan held her hand up in owner's face and said " don't want to hear anything negative. Me and Harry are so happy right now".
No wonder Harry and Meghan are quitting. The rightwing press – and their families – left them no choice
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/no-wonder-harry-and-meghan-are-quitting-the-rightwing-press-and-their-families-left-them-no-choice
Also, I shuddered as to why a new mother would take a vulnerable,under 12 month old baby to a very very cold country. Babies in extreme weather conditions struggle with a host of problems. From hot ,sunny South Africa to freezing cold Canada. What kind of mother does this ? Temperature extremes are not recommended at all for babies unless the parents are desperately seeking asylum. Are the Markles seeking asylum? If not, why are they ping ponging their baby from continent to continent, with temperatures ranging from too hot to too cold? Don't they have a baby doctor to advise them ?
You were their biggest supporter on this site! You said how loving they were as parents toward Archie. What special inteaction Harry had with his little son! On, an on, and now you've are singing a very different tune. Wow just wow
Not sure if this has been posted or not..
I hope that HM, PC, & PC don't go all wobbly on these two. My jaw just keeps dropping. If they did leave little Archie in Canada for some reason, Megs is really all about the $$$. They have staff. RPOs. Lots of people travel with their nannies & au pairs. They just took the little guy on an 11 hour flight to SA last fall for heaven's sake, & they leave him with friends in Canada for no good reason? She's not natural.
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/01/09/unemployed-couple-emigrate-for-better-quality-of-life/
Definitely agree, Rach is not likeable in any way. But she did learn to lawn bowl as you said, so there's that. lol!
She is a good example of the absurdity Dolly pointed out. Dolly is a wise woman, she has that country wisdom. Thanks for sharing that quote from her.
I'm sure they will take it very badly. And will whinge that nobody's asked them if they're OK.
At last check the Queen was Head of State and holds the veto power, the pursestrings and the ability to imprison them for high treason. Who is Dumbarkle Dimwit and his braying American wife to dictate terms to the Crown? That didn't really work out for Edward VIII, and he was once the King.
There are some issues of parliamentary law to work through in separating Harry from his titles as heir to the succession, but I think Ma'am could jam through an emergency session.
As I observed earlier, you do not fiddle fart with appeasment to tyrants. ER's father stood up to Herr Hitler and refused to do it; Elizabeth cannot exercise her authority over one whinging, mentally deficient grandson?
Two choices:
1. Harry abdicates his titles, thereby freeing him up to live outside the UK wherever he wants, but with no monetizing on the Royal brand and no monetary support from the Crown or the Duchy. He takes the money his Mum left him and gets the hell out.
Or
2. Arrest for treason. House arrest with ankle bracelet. No more freedom. Deportation for Meg. Period.
That's it, Ma'am. No appeasement.
In this one instance, I feel rather sorry that being commuted to the Tower and beheaded isn't on the table for these two. If they were two of HM's hunting hounds they would be put down as mad.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2020/01/09/could-harry-and-meghan-make-the-3-million-plus-needed-to-be-financially-independent/
Again you read my post wrong, specifically in their delusional mind, the Harkles might think the Queen will take custody of Archie (whoever the baby's parents are). In light of the fact Archie might not be the issue of Meghan or Harry all the more reason to think the Crown will step in to secure his safekeeping.
BTW I am 'Another Unknown the 2nd one to post today. Ditto the the other 'Unknown's' remarks. You are annoying when you always talk about your errands, when you are going to lunch, your child has your phone, on and on and on. We don't care about your mundane extraneous details of your personal life. To use your phrase "Get Over Yourself".
Nowadays, candidates curriculum vitae ( résumé ) is what is important. Nepotism is totally frowned upon. Is there a labour court in Canada and what do they do to fight for the underdog? That being said, is there a labour court for royalty? I don't think so.
So if Harry has been promised this position, is it legal, or if the position was never advertised and Harry suddenly got given the position,that's not legal.
Please can someone investigate the labour laws of Canada with regards to this specific position.
But , that being said, I would heartily say GOOD RIDDANCE. Goodbye to the Harkles.
One cannot unring a bell, either one is in the royal family or out of the royal family, one is either pregnant or not pregnant-- but it seems that the "Dynamic Duo of Wokeness" think that the *compromise* (described on their shiny new website) of no longer being senior royals but supporting the Queen and Commonwealth whilst living a glamorous life across multiple continents is the most logical solution. False.
So I hope that HMTQ sets them free. After all- per Meghan, "Existing is not living". With a heavy heart, I hope the Queen strips Harry and Meghan of their HRH status, removes Harry from the line of succession, draws up an annual rental agreement for Frogmore Cottage, denies funding for their private security and asks Charles to re-distribute Harry's portion of the Duchy of Cornwall.
I don't think the Queen will take away their titles-- but I hope her legal team makes the Sussexes sign an iron clad NDA not to discuss the private lives of members of the BRF and makes the Sussexes put a disclaimer at the end of every social media post, publicity event, charity gala, etc... something along the lines of "The Duke & Duchess of Sussex's support, opinions, ideas, comments, and affiliation is their own and does NOT represent the British Royal Family, or the Monarchy. Furthermore, the BRF is not responsible for any of the actions they may take or debts they incur."
It is beyond tacky what Harry and Meghan have done to the Queen, but Ma'am, please cut them loose. This type of disrespect shall not be tolerated.
Unknown and the idea of comparing the leaving a kid in Canada to leaving kids on a vacation
Just what we need: an extra large dose of paranoia to add to the volatile mix in play already.
Well the crown can legally take the grandchildren (dating back to early early 1700's. There has been discussion about whether or not that could apply to great grandchildren since, back then, that wasn't something that could happen as people didn't live long enough for that many generations to exist at the same time.
If the stories of them taking drugs are correct, having the crown assume control to protect the child would make sense.
Taking it farther, since the response by HM was to suggest that H discuss this more in firmer detail with his father to moving things along resulted in this nuclear response of demands ... is it possible that actually the child could now be in danger from a parent? the news is filled with stories of people who loved their kids but hated their spouse more and the greatest joy was to kill the kid knowing it would cause great pain in the spouse for life.
IDK but you gave some food for thought about it - maybe just not in the direction you were thinking
Personally, I think they may be paranoid and fear he will be kidnapped by the crown or taken custody by some child protection entity."
I've never known a couple to "go on a cruise" leaving an 8-month old baby behind with friends on another continent from the home continent. I'm sure parents somewhere have done it but I've never met anyone who would ever do that. *Perhaps* with grandparents *staying in the family home* but not with friends who don't interact with the baby regularly. H&M were at CH on Tuesday, it's Thursday night in the UK so with flight times it's been more than 2 days already.
You could be right about their paranoia--its becoming apparent they are a sick couple-- but I think it's just as likely they aren't bonded with Archie. And they may have thought it would pressure TQ to meet their demands quickly. "Hurry up, we have to get back to our baaaaby, hand over the money."
The Monarch may have de facto custody of minor grandchildren but Archie--assuming he exists-- is a great grandchild.
>>>The Sussex Royal website reads like a thinly veiled "demand letter" a terrorist or criminal might use in a tactic of negotiation.<<
Forever forward let the Sussex demand letter be known in history "As THE SUSSEX MANIFESTO' and how two litlle royals told the Queen 'how the cow ate the cabbage' (in Texas parlance that is. lol)
Max Foster 3 hours ago, twitter
Breaking: Government now involved. Royal Sources tell CNN, the Queen, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge have directed their teams to work together at pace with Government and the Sussex household to find workable solutions. Expected to take days, not weeks.
I’m not sure the other twitter comments mentioned the government?
@nutty I would request you remove unknown’s post ONCE AGAIN about how she can’t just scroll on by my posts.
Can't you just stop whinging. You remind me so much of Me'gain which is probably why you identify and support her so much.
IMO, they feared he could have been traded away in their crisis talks.
2. The big deal
The Firm is under scrutiny by British taxpayers and HM's fans. Besides, Charles and Willis are furious but HMQ is in charge and has a kind heart. The BRF doesn't have many options.
I'm sorry everyone but they will keep titles and get a lot of money from the BRF.
She won this round.
“Prince Harry’s Real Declaration of Independence: From Britain’s Tabloids
The Sussexes have been preparing for years to sever their relationship with the royal press pack, which the prince still blames for his mother’s death.”
“Last fall, Prince Harry seemed to have everything a person could want: A luminous wife, a perfect baby and an extended stay in Africa, a region he has always loved.
And yet, when he spoke to his old friend, the journalist Tom Bradby, he sounded traumatized, as if the events of the previous two years had dragged him back to the hell of his 13th summer, when his mother died in a car crash, speeding away from paparazzi.
“Every time I see a camera, every time I hear a click, every time I see a flash, it takes me straight back,” he was quoted as saying in “Harry & Meghan: An African Journey,” a documentary of their time in Africa.
His wife Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, was also grim about the life she had chosen, telling Mr. Bradby that she should have paid more attention when friends warned her about getting involved with Prince Harry.”
(Snipped, click link to read all)
Just because she married a useless playboy prince.
I am quickly turning into a republican.
Maybe Nepal can throw in some free Yak pelts for Me'gain's wigs and weaves.
>>>You could be right about their paranoia--its becoming apparent they are a sick couple-- but I think it's just as likely they aren't bonded with Archie. And they may have thought it would pressure TQ to meet their demands quickly. "Hurry up, we have to get back to our baaaaby, hand over the money."
The Monarch may have de facto custody of minor grandchildren but Archie--assuming he exists-- is a great grandchild.<<<
Even if Archie isn't technically in the Crown's custody, he would have been accompanied by RPOs on a trip abroad. RPOs report to her Majesty, not the Narkle dimwits they are assigned to. Was there no communication between them and their boss, the Queen, via BP? As in "SOS--Narkles are trying to leave the baby with friends in Canada." MI:6 and/or the Canadian police acting on behalf of HM would have been at the door pronto to take him into protective custody. No RPOs should have agreed to get on any plane back to London without the RF family members they came with, and I don't see an RPO just hanging out at the Mulroneys' house--unauthorized, unvetted civilian couple. The baby would not be unattended by RPOs.
If the Narkles essentially abducted their baby and spirited him away from his RPO protection, then they are criminals holding a tot for ransom. That certainly qualifies as high treason. Are we appeasing traitors now?
Another breaking news : Meghan flew back to Canada yesterday, leaving Prince Harry to deal with the fallout over their 'abdication' crisis.
I posted something very similar to this further up the thread. It appeared on our telly news in the UK a couple of hours ago,and within that they mentioned government(s), which included Canada, and America. As far as I know the UK government have said its up to the royal family to sort out.
Also all the wording in the latest articles I read : I can see HMQ "ordered" PC and PW to give them what the Sussex want quickly : she doesn't want all the dirty laundry to come out...
Last thought : yesterday, we discussed the wedding ring as she visited London's National Theatre :
If she wasn't wearing her wedding ring (after she had words with Harry?) AND Archie was far away from them, Harry was in an impossible position...
Sigh, I've had friends who were super woman golden girls. She is not one.
So Meghan flew back to Canada to be with Archie and left Harry to resolve the terms of their "conscious uncoupling" from the BRF? Methinks she boarded a plane in London last night, and as she sipped on a glass of champagne she mashed the "GO LIVE" button that launched the Sussex Royal website.
Also, it is crystal clear that their "visit" to Canada House was to obtain extended travel Visas in Canada. Meghan thinks she has pulled out all of the stops, doesn't she? I bet she re-watched "Sleeping with the Enemy" while on her 6 week holiday-cation to get tips on how to be super sleuthy.
The couple secretly registered their new Sussex Royal website as early as last March without telling the Royal Family;
Harry ignored a personal request by the Queen to keep negotiations about his wish to break free private and not make a public statement;
The couple also chose to disregard pleas from their closest aides on Monday night that they should hold off from releasing a statement out of respect for his grandmother;
Sources said Harry had even suggested his mental health would be at risk if he didn't facilitate a change in his position;
The Royal Family are not planning to strip Harry and Meghan of their titles as courtiers fear it would look vengeful and reminiscent of the treatment meted out to Harry's mother, Princess Diana;
Scotland Yard announced it would carry out a full review of the couple's security as the costs of their taxpayer-funded police protection looked set to spiral into the millions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870677/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-left-young-Archie-Canada.html
So that is why she was sweating like a pig. She was shaking with fear. Didn't even plan to stay to support Harry through this. Coward, hypocrite and manipulator.
Have to catch up with the days news....
I feel for the Queen. No one can make an excuse for them. No one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870573/How-royal-aides-fought-bitterly-24-hours-urge-Harry-Meghan-not-announce-plans.html
@Dido : I'm with you (again :-)) : I can imagine her yesterday night in the jet, drinking champagne, emailing Jessica, watching the news, launching the website, and preparing a post for Kate's birthday.
If the Queen and Charles don't immediately strip away their Duke and Duchess titles, they will live to regret this. This is priority number one. We all know (at least here) that Megs plan is to merch the Royal Sussex brand to death and to set up some money grabbing Royal Sussex Foundations. They proposed a new one yesterday. A foundation that has to do with environment and women and "community".
The weakness here is from The Queen. She is too old and too sentimental. Charles would be stripping titles. I am sure Charles is "incandescent" as reported yearsday, same for William.
Maybe that is why Meghan went without her rings to pout like a child...'If you exclude me Harry, I will exclude you from our marriage'
Hopefully, the Queen, PC, and PW will be able to talk some sense into Harry but still a certain amount of damage has already been done to the BRF.
I agree with the poster who wrote said earlier here there should be no appeasement. Don't negotiate with terrorists (which is what the Sussex are with their Manifesto' and its accompanying demands).
Vive la Republique!
Queen lost her marbles if she allows them to keep the titles. They basically left a pile of poo in her drawing room and ran. What a pathetic end to such a long reign.
Anyone else kinda worried about the Mulroneys? It is publicly declared that Archie is in their custody. If he is or isn't, actually exists or doesn"t, wouldn't that make the Mulroneys vulnerable and potentially at risk? Isn't Harry on some kind of al qaeda hit list? The reason for his uber security requirements?
This is stupid beyond measure. A high school tantrum played out on the world stage involving governments FED and putting people in harm's way. WTF.
‘Fortunately, after an 'emotional' night, wise heads yesterday appeared to have prevailed.
After conference calls with her son and eldest grandchild, the Queen called a meeting yesterday afternoon between each of the four royal households – Buckingham Palace, Clarence House, Kensington Palace and the Sussex team – and ordered them to find a workable solution to the problem within days.
Much has yet to be done and whether any of it will placate this hot-headed and emotional couple remains to be seen.
But as Harry and Meghan should know by now, nothing will be allowed to jeopardise the future of the monarchy.’
Charles is the next monarch, it’s his reign and legacy he needs and wants to protect, if he sees either Harry, Meghan or both as a threat to that, it won’t be pretty, the fallout could be nothing we’ve witnessed before.
The public outcry over plans to have a "small, private" funeral for Diana come to mind. The RF must be unaware of the public sentiment to the Markle monster.
But other insiders tell me that the couple have long felt that their 'superstar' power is 'rolled out' by the Royal Family when it suits them, only to be quickly 'constrained' because so many of them are 'jealous' of their popularity.
'Whether it's true or not, and people's opinions on this vary, they are very, very exercised about this and very, very angry,' said one. Nine days ago, it is understood they told senior family members by phone, ahead of their return to the UK, that they wanted to step back as 'frontline' royals.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870573/How-royal-aides-fought-bitterly-24-hours-urge-Harry-Meghan-not-announce-plans.html
I have always thought and still do that Harry has some kind of impairment - exactly what I don't know. He seems to be totally inept when left to his own devices and deals better with being told what to do. The royal family would have staff that points him in a direction and he would do whatever, the army love this personality trait as it is the perfect one for soliders, and no Sparkles is running his life.
HOWEVER
I know a lot of people tend to feel sorry for him, but I am less so as this drags on. At some point he needs to wake up and smell the grifter and realise he is actually an adult and needs to make some smart decisions. If he is mentally or emotionally incapable, then he needs to be taken away from situations that could exploit this.
I also feel this has imploded because they inked some kind of lucrative deal with on their "break". I am going to guess either a doco series or some crappy wellness brand.
With all the entertainment this is providing, I really feel sorry for the Queen and Archie. Her Maj has dealt with world wars, randy andy, Brexit, Fergie and assassination attempts. I am sure she can deal with some upstart wannabe star who has so many skeletons in her closet it needs to be a walk in.
I really hope and want to think Archie is safe and happy and being well looked after wherever he is. e
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I know the big deal is titles and maybe TQ will cave because of St. Diana mythology. But surely she can't let Harry retain his made-up position of Youth Ambassador to the Commonwealth if the Sussexes are merching openly as they've said they want to do can she?
It was alleged this was first started in the planning stages about a year ago (about when the Sussex separated themselves from the Foundation, they got their Frogmore home, they were allowed to separate from the Fab Four, etc...
This probably happened because they were mad about the Queen not letting themselves set-up a separate court.
The Queen and PC probably misread the situation and didn't know they had a nest of vipers hiding and waiting to strike at the right moment. They are truly sinister and everyone who suspected evil from Megs and Harry's cooperation, even aiding and abetting, was correct. Meg might of had the ideas but Harry knew how to play his Granny.
Bear in mind this is daily mail so unsure how accurate but with this circus I kind of do believe this. Maybe the start of a marital separation?
So, they obviously had this planned well before yesterday.
Have they really any clue?
They disobeyed a direct order, from their Monarch and head of family.
I wouldn’t want to be either one of them, right now.
Pity Archie, seems to be just an accessory for his Mum.
I would think that Miss Markle has been watching and reading websites that showed the above. At first she may have thought , this is what my followers want. But after the birth , she must have been so ashamed after she heard that what she did was so so scandalous.
Rightfully, now she has quit.
In all my working life, when an employee who was due to be fired for misdemeanours, was aware they were to be fired, in order to save face and leave with dignity intact, they would resign or quit very near to the actual axing date.
So a part of me feels they quit. But knowing how self entitled royalty are today, a large part of me thinks, that they are exploiting the goodwill in front of them. Cashing in is another term. Take what we can while it lasts. Why must we work so hard anymore?
The Harkles have a " finger in the till " policy. It's there. Let's take it. Similar to bank robbers.
Charles wasn't even able to call his son!! The queen had to do it by herself!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870573/How-royal-aides-fought-bitterly-24-hours-urge-Harry-Meghan-not-announce-plans.html
This article is the best I have read today.
It gives lots of insights :
- apparently, they live in Frogmore,
- HMQ had to call them (she never makes a call),
- they don't listen their aids (not a surprise),
- Charles has no control over Harry (not a surprise)....
- They first raised the issue of a retreat from royal life with them in May, then 10 days before going back from Canada....
I do not think the queen and Charles will play patty cake and make any compromises with this at all. H&M think they can negotiate this? Ha! Megs is about to learn what the queen's power really means and it's not going to be pretty.
They will not be allowed to cherry pick their duties, or dictate income or protection from the crown. One is either on the bus or off the bus and since they've made the choice to quit their jobs then off they'll go. Such dumbasses.
This is all about GREED. Megs was offered tons of $ from all over for gigs from Orpah to Clooney to wherever, and they just can't stand losing out on all that $, so ya, greed. I feel sorry for the baby. He's nothing but a prop for these clowns.
Thanks for the kind words. It is a shame that it looks like the Harkles will keep their titles. Still, they are so toxic that I'm not sure how long their hijinx will hold up.
@NeutralObserver
Yeah, that woke stuff definitely has an audience in the USA and is pushed hard by the media as virtuous. But as you said, the Harkles are not very talented and so they may not last long.
Time for the good people of the U.K. to make their displeasure known.
Diana was not going to have a state funeral until the people let themselves be heard.
I have been saying this for a year now. The People have power if they choose to use it.
Who’s now paying for this privilege? Does Meghan think she’s forcing the hand of the royal family into giving into their demands by doing this? I surely hope not. Oh to be a fly on the wall in any royal palace right now.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870735/PR-experts-predict-Harry-Meghan-Markle-worlds-highest-earning-celebrity-couple.html
The "woke stuff" is quickly fading in the US. The Golden Globes on Sunday are a recent indicator. People are tired of hypocritical celebrities telling them what to do. The newest generation (my daughter's age, 13) don't even watch regular TV anymore. The economy is very strong here and that makes a difference too.
The second half (the unseen bit) is on now. I’m recording it because it ends past to midnight here. If there’s anything new I’ll report back, that goes for the one on Sunday too. ;o)
This is a real sh--tshow. Really wonder if this was thoughtfully planned out. It seems too chaotic. I believe M is telling H she will leave him and take Archie.
IMO this is not a good look if they are trying to merch and fundraise.
They appear very unstable.
You're right, the woke era is starting to fade in the USA. I should have added that in my comment.
However, there are still some people in high places who want to push the woke agenda. And so there is likely money for the Harkles in that, at least for now.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7869529/Meghan-Harry-refuse-mystery-multi-millionaire-owns-Christmas-mansion.html
These two are going to end up in jail.
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Dan Wooten is reporting on Twitter that MM has a deal with Givenchy "worth millions."
I don't understand how she can get a fashion contract. SHE LOOKS HORRIBLE. I do think she used to look pretty, but now she is just an overly plumped up plastic weirdo. She wears more make up than a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. I mean FFS.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870677/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-left-young-Archie-Canada.html
Another breaking news : Meghan flew back to Canada yesterday, leaving Prince Harry to deal with the fallout over their 'abdication' crisis.
@FrenchieLiv
This article is a smokescreen of sorts. Harry’s just a stand-in. Meghan will be calling the shots from Canada and giving Harry his marching orders.
He won’t take a piss without Meghan’s permission.
I mainly feel sorry for William and Catherine. They have lost a brother and it is their futures most as stake. For that reason, I hope William goes scorched earth on them.
They can see themselves as purple cows for all I care. I refuse to join them in their mental illness.
Meghan is understood to be using her array of fashion industry contacts in a bid to cash in on her worldwide fame — potentially making millions in the process.
The sources say French fashion house Givenchy is included in the discussions.
But the new has infuriated royal courtiers — who are shocked by her underhand efforts to rake in a fortune before the couple had even discussed their plans with the Queen, Prince Charles or other senior figures.
A source said: “Meghan is very connected in the fashion industry and there are a lot of major labels who would like to partner with her on projects.
“There have already been active discussions with Givenchy. Some of these deals could be worth millions of pounds.
“I’m sure she is going to link some of the initiatives to their foundation.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10708665/meghan-markle-fashion-brands-waxwork/
This is not going to end well for them. They'll try to fight back with all kinds of blackmails, but hopefully BP has a first strike trigger in place if they try anything like that. For example, Megs leaks to the press some information about Wills or Kate and BP releases the Cracken.
Archie is not their DNA, she faked a pregnancy...that has to be some kind of crime.
Archie is a major factor in this, I just know it.
/Toxic is the soundtrack that plays in my mind when discussing these MM shenanigans.
MM isn’t persecuted or fears death. She has no reason for asylum.
Archie looks like both of them.
I would bet my house on the fact that MM did not carry in her womb the child presented as Archie.
She lied to the monarch about the heir to the throne. She should be worried.
Apparently Armpits has talks with brands like Givenchy coming up after she makes her big break. Not sure how that would work. Usually these big fashion brands have a 'face' like Keira Knightly, Charlize Theron, or Liz Hurley in her salad days. Will Megs just lose the pregnancy weight, ramp up the botox, get a good wig & bob's your uncle? A talented photographer with good lighting could make her look pretty good. It's been done before. Surely she won't be involved in design, not after the Smart Works non event. Or will she just wear their stuff at official royal engagements? Oh, I forgot, she won't be doing any of those. Will she just hawk their perfumes & accessories on QVC? Then there are the problems of the other royals wanting merching deals. If Harry & Megs get to merch & keep their titles, all the 'non working' royals will want to do it, from Prince & Princess Michael to the Duchess of Gloucester's dog. How will the RF handle that? Then there are the tax issues. As Forbes magazine has pointed out, Megs will have to pay them in the US, & this could bring IRS scrutiny of the finances of the rest of the RF's taxes via Harry's £££, but then that was going to happen anyway.
Some complications for Megs & Harry related to their proposed move. Apparently there are immigration rules about how many consecutive days a non British spouse must spend in the UK in order to retain their visas. Megs will have to fly back & forth frequently, either leaving little Archie or dragging him along. Harry was at one time on an ISIS hit list. He might still be. What country's citizens will want to pick up the tab for his security? It will go into the millions. Which of their employees will want to relocate with them? Who will pay them? If I'm a Met cop with wife & kids, I wouldn't want to move to Canada. Will the Canadians want pick up the RCMP tab? I know the Wokenesses fellow travelers in Canada won't care, they're always happy to spend the money of others, but others will. Will the real BRF want to put up with the resentment this is going to cause? If I were Her Majesty, I would just order them to divorce, like she did Charles & Diana. If they still can't keep away from each other, they can have an affair. That seems to work well in this family.
If doesn’t break in the next 3-4 days then it’s truly a non issue.
I'm not on Twitter but as an American I would love to know who these "powerful" "influential" people are. Some names?
If what i read from influential Americans on twitter is a true reflection of facts then the Sussexes have massive support in US from powerful people.
They're not as influential as they might think.
What influential people are supporting this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7871099/No-blank-cheques-Prince-Charles-threatens-STOP-Harrys-2-3m-annual-handout.html
Sandringham Christmas was out because Archie would have to eat at the kids table (with the rapt cousins who are dying to spend more time with him). The hour without him was too much diverge Sussexes to bear at his first Christmas.
Yet he is left behind in Canada for what, at least five days (so far) while mummy and daddy pull a little extortion on the RF?
How can ANYONE support these hypocrites! Subtlety is bad enough but they are so obvious!
Criminal AND tacky!
Thanks for the names. Most of them are hardly what I'd call "influential" this decade. And I didn't even know Clooney still lived in the US.
Came into my head about the comment that "... they could be the highest paid couple of all time..." or something like that. "Ya shooor, you betcha Lars.."
Even if she's welcomed warmly to the States, I doubt it will last, if past behavior is any indication. She can merch to her hearts content but she won't have the royal shine here, and Americans don't care anyways. Poor Harry will be without his title and his family while she stars on RHOBH and does segments for Good Morning America.
They are insane!!!!
My husband and kids don’t understand the gravity of this, they think I’m nuts for being so “into” this drama.. in Aus, the sentiment is sympathetic to the Harkles and I’m screaming like a banshee that they don’t know the real story. When are the press going to just take off the brakes? Why are they still so ... soft?
Nutty, thank you! Your work is important. Xx
Williams, who is playing at the ASB tennis Classic in Auckland, was asked for her thoughts on the news involving her close friend, the Duchess of Sussex.
"Oh, I am not touching that - so thank you," Williams said before giving a nervous giggle.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12299290
Do you know any current teenagers?
As I said in an much earlier post, an ex-president of the US, especially the first Black president-- getting a big book deal isn't exactly breaking news. But it's not even clear Obama can even influence his own political party the way things are going so I don't think he has a big influence on the nation. And no, Oprah isn't influential and a leader of public opinion. She used to be but her time has passed. The Clintons' time has passed too in terms of influencing public opinion. So that leaves G. Clooney and Beyonce as powerful and influential Americans. Really?
@holly that was smart from Serena.
It is reported that Meghan had high-tailed it out of the UK to Canada, to re-join Archie (assuming he's real). I was thinking how odd it was that Harry and Meghan had left their infant son in Canada while they "returned" to London. Then I got it:
(1) This means the Toxic Duo's "return" was always intended to be temporary -- just long enough to issue their ultimatum and bring the Royal Family to heel.
(2) The Toxic Duo didn't bring Archie with them but left him in Canada because the baby is human hostage. Archie is their weapon in their negotiations with the Royal Family: "You give us what we want! If not, you'll never see Archie, 7th in line to the throne, again."
Prince Harry Previously Revealed He Wanted Out of His Royal Duties in Resurfaced Interview! (via
@JustJared)
Green issues aside due to unjustifiable levels of travel, that would be all very well, but their trademark applications for all kinds of retail merchandise have nothing to do with that. We all know Meghan is after (1) money (2) celebrity-style adulation. She couldn't care less about charity as long as it serves her ego. How can so-called experts fail to see this?
Add to that their absolute need for luxury and lack of transparency and you have a recipe for reputational disaster. Look at the scrutiny of the Clintons' charitable governance.
I couldn't watch anymore of Newsnight, especially as another panel member coming up was one of those who cries racist at the drop of a hat. I've had enough for one day!
The consensus among constitutional experts seems to be that H&M are either in or they're out. Seems obvious to me. The BRF are on a dodgy road with the public if they continue to appease H&M. I think earlier posts about the dangers of appeasement were absolutely correct.
Something is up with the Archie situation, and any long time royal watcher could see that from the beginning.
Teens and influence. My teens know the show Friends, and may know who the cast was, but they are into "new." Even Justin Beiber, Katy Perry, One Direction are "old" to them. They like Billie Eilish, rappers I have never heard of and people under 25 I may hear about on CDAN. (Thank goodness or I would have no idea of who or what they are talking about) Point is the Sussex duo are no where on their radar.
Who did it influence?