The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced that they are stepping down as senior Royals.
Supposedly the announcement, which was made on Instagram, went ahead without informing the Queen in advance.
There are already many comments discussing the Sussex announcement on the previous post, but let's continue the discussion here.
Supposedly the announcement, which was made on Instagram, went ahead without informing the Queen in advance.
There are already many comments discussing the Sussex announcement on the previous post, but let's continue the discussion here.
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@Vince, great comments , & I sadly agree with you that there is an audience here in the US for their lame opinions. On the article about them that the NYTimes is allowing comments on, all of the top comments are pro Harkle & totally buy into their victim spiel.
I've been reading the Tmes daily since the early 80s, & since the advent of the web it's gone from being a premier news source to being pretentious woke clickbait ,IMO, mostly filled with TDS articles, sadly. The Times moderates its comments & only allows them on a few articles. I'm an opinionated blowhard, & occasionally post stuff on education, the environment, politics, what have you. The Times has someone read your comment, & then sends you an email if they approve it. What I've noticed over the years is that if my comment echos their line of thought, it gets approved much more quickly, giving it a better chance of getting 'likes.' So they rig their comments a bit, but at least they don't delete them like the Telegraph does.
On the other hand, the Markles are not very talented or coherent speakers, & most likely won't be much sought after on the speaker's circuit after a few stabs at it without investing in expensive coaching & speechwriters. As we've seen, Megs is the ultimate in DIY everything. They might get by by salting their speeches with the occasional headline grabbing comment for a while, but the people who can afford to pay to listen to these goofs aren't as stupid as most of the denizens in the Twitterverse.
@Elle, @Sandie, I enjoy both of your posts so much, & on the evidence you are both very intelligent & well informed. I'm
fascinated by your enthusiasm for astrology & Tarot. I'm not at all similarly inclined, but respect your knowledge of those subjects. Interestingly, the child of mine who was deemed a 'genius' at 2 by his nursery school principal, & who graduated summa cum laude from college also recently began dabbling in astrology & doing charts for fun. He was christened & confirmed in the Episcopal Church, but otherwise not much mysticism in his upbringing, so I was 'mystified' myself. LOL. I enjoy seeing if any of the omens you watch come true for the BRF.
I think Megs has planned this from day one. This break is what that whiney SA interview was in aid of. 'I'm so mistreated & misunderstood, I have to take all my marbles (the few I have) & leave, but keep the dosh flowing. Thanks for your support!'
This is why people detest her. Who marries to milk their spouse & his or her family for all they've got? Yeah, basketball players' WAGS & Anna Nicole Smith types. But the BRF tries to be about stability, tradition, continuity. It wants to give reassurance, not destabilize. She's such a wimp she can't survive a year of marriage, & one little maybe baby? Come on. She's selling the proverbial bridge.
I'm going with Oprah's BFF Gail getting the big interview. But it's tricky with legit news paying for interviews. They do have some sneaky ways around it though. Also,does anyone think they have blackmail material? How can they claim financial independence if they still take taxpayer's money
There may be less blackmail material if it was about Andrew, unless there are pics. Prince Charles was in Epstein's black book, several numbers listed, though.
I hope Charles stops their Cornwall funding during negotiations. Financially independent means doing it ALL on your own.
I don’t get it. How is she getting away with it all??
I just heard this, too but I think it might be fake news. Diana went to Blair before the divorce to ask for a Global Ambassador role but he was PM at the time. How could Tony Blair help Meghan with this now?
I read in one of the many DM articles today that she met Harry in Toronto at Invictus in May 2016 & Markus/Mischa arranged a meeting for them at a bar, Soho? Wasn’t she still with Corey then?
My feeling is it’s something to add to the arguments of those of us who feel it’s now time to reveal all. As in, You think we press were brutal?! Just look at this! Now do you see how much we moderated our reports on this couple?
https://fromberkshiretobuckingham.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-sussexes-have-not-stepped-down-from.html
If I understand what their minced statement is about, they want stop all "official" royal work plus full support of the royal machine with a carte blanche re their future commercial enterprising and "charities", plus total immunity from the media scrutiny, plus taxpayer funded protection and access to free royal properties in UK.
I don't like swear words but my first reaction was "feck off", sorry.
I am concerned about the funds. I want them cut off entirely. Surely they can "budget" that 35m until the vats of gold start pouring in. But it is the only way the RF can attempt to control their behavior. Its the only thing they do respect.
I really hope their titles are pulled as well, but they will always be referred to by them, at least in the States, by a "certain segment" (read: starstruck dopes)of the population.
I have a horror of seeing "Duchess Meghan" demonstrating Plexiderm on late night television.
They are always going to represent the BRF. Unless they divorce. The glam goes with Harry. On her own, Megs is Fergie-lite.
If this announcement demonstrates the respect they have for the RF, gawd help us. They are going to be Dancing with the Stars before we know it. Well, actually not, as that requires work.
It sure explains Harry's weight loss. It must be tough completely betraying everything you used to stand for and humiliating your family in the most public way possible.
Although, I am glad for that humiliation and defiance. Right now, we need HM, PC, and PW "incandescent with rage". Everything they do now will have historical importance.
@Pippa,
Thank you for that correction -- you're right! I did a quick cut & paste of that quote and didn't catch it (it's from a grammar website lol). What a faux pas! I don't usually edit the comments of others, so I missed it there, too, when I didn't edit the quote. I do hope Kate will forgive me! Of course, maybe the author of the quote was using a generic Katherine instead of my Catherine, but I should have changed it anyway.
@Earthbound Misfit:
Did you all see that tidbit earlier tonight about TQ being upset as far back as the wedding?
What if TQ knew exactly what she was doing with that car? What if she and the senior courtiers 100% had Meghan's number before the wedding even happened? What if this entire shitshow has been the BRF consciously giving the grifters enough rope, and playing the "blindsided" and "hurt" card every step of the way?
This is what I have said all along. From the first "Rachel got a special train ride with the queen" merde. They'd never do it directly when they could sit back and let Rach do it for them. And they couldn't do it directly b/c "racism", so they waited and took the opportunities she presented. I think that the Jen Meyer thing was an example of that. I can't elaborate now, but share your POV.
There are so many interesting comments here, and I'm only midway through!
* This acting-out will make them lose most or all public support. So may the whole House of Windsor in a longer-term; whose existence depends on tax-payers' support and tolerance. People may wish to get rid of royalty in future and in the upcoming austere context.
* H and M are set to make huge profits from their being from the royal family, and yet contradictorily they say they reject royalty.
* If Harry dies, would she inherit that 95%? To be checked.
* If he does not die, there will be divorce and a good settlement, I think.
Then, fate may intervene, as it did for Diana and Epstein.
Skippys blog (from LBC News) is reporting Madam Toussads has removed their figures.
I have no idea why that tickles me so much.
Madame's reactions are always spot on. First they moved Magsy out and placed her with "celebs" explaining this by her background, now they moved Harry as well.
These two dumbs don't even understand what they have done.
Most of the comments I saw say good riddance and call Harry the traitor for humiliating the Queen and disregarding her requests.
There is no return from this.
Thanks for that link. It was a very good read! She is chillingly correct.
https://fromberkshiretobuckingham.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-sussexes-have-not-stepped-down-from.html
Harry has lived his whole life in luxury. MM spent more of the RF money allegedly than any other royal on CLOTHING.
They are told... no separate arm of Sussex philanthropy. Proceed anyway.
Given a long maternity leave, 6 week break, and told you are not to announce this now. Do it anyway, while leaving a list of their demands that read like ransom.
Good morning
EarthBoundMisfit - I think Mega brought a knife to a gunfight. Hell, I don't think she realized she was even in a gunfight. And now she's lying bloodied on the ground, dazed, not sure what hit her but convinced she's won anyway. Oh, good lines.
And I think you are specifically right about the convincing herself bit. The whole idea of negotiation is to work your opponent to moving in the direction you want (move them towards your goalposts to where they don't realize how far they have conceded). What she did was out of a Hollywood action movie where the hero (M/F) throws grenades, bullets, we see lots of special effects as the hero then steps through the flames and smoke to save the day. She doesn't hear "no" well (if at all). If all she has the yes people (hello echo chamber), there is no plans B, C, D (or more) because there is not critical thinking required when she is playing checkers while they are playing chess (oh, that genetic about scheming was a nice touch).
Bootsy - aggressive for not telling the BRF (especially when they were told not to by the Queen) is too mild. Nuclear (they've not only burned the bridge but emolated it and their side).
You are right about the 24 hour news cycle requiring fresh. But also that they will expire quickly once they actually make it out to what they think is freedom.
Madge - I think it is more than just she didn't get what she thought she was entitled to. I think that there is some mental health issues clouding the thinking where she thought that since she's pretty much always worked people into doing what she wanted, on some level she thought she could change his ranking (and therefore hers) combined with the Hollywood glitz she grew up with as "this life is the goal you want". And who knows, maybe even thinking she could change the succession? When you daydream, everything always works out so you see glitter, butterflies and unicorns.
We have a fair amount of bi-polars in the family and what I can say is that although they are on drugs now comma the drugs don't reset their thinking back to normal. If you are viewed as evil, then post drug application you are still evil. And, nothing you can do about that except move on to something else.
I also think the going nuclear is indicating that the mental health is driving her thinking. That is quite the spiral in the last couple of days. Sounds kind of manic to me but that family thing may be coloring my view. I have, can and will continue to be wrong about things.
Raspberry Ruffle - Nobody tells the Queen what to do. And right now, she's facing a direct threat to everything she has worked so hard to maintain.
And, she will make decisions when she needs to. Andrew should have been a warning flare. And had anyone been reading the bios of Diana, especially the ones where they compare and contrast the divorces of Diana and Fergie, they could have used that knowledge for how to negotiate a better deal than what they will get now.
PaisleyGirl - I have wondered too if he knew that the ring had been pulled out. Rings - was she wearing it the day before at CH? Since we now know that H had come to HM about the idea of stepping back and her advice was to remain quiet, I'm wondering if the BRF began to request back jewelry then to keep it from being sold when needing money?
Madge - booing? at CH? oh, well, isn't that interesting. Haven't heard any of that for them lately (thinking of the various public outings where other BRF family members were placed nearby to avoid that kind of nasty. Hmm, the gloves are starting to come off all around.
If this was Elizabeth I, his head would be missing by this point.
Canada House was a bigger gamble than I ever realized. How utterly stupid of both of them - no wonder Megs was sweating bullets. Harry has made his choice - his wife. Notice I do not say "and his child". That issue is a whole 'nuther ball game. This gambit has to do with who he is and his role in the family and he has failed to live up to standard he was raised to uphold.
Has anyone checked for cracks in Wallis' grave - she must be laughing uproariously at this fiasco.
None of this is to say I think Harry’s an innocent victim (if this is true). I think he has real resentment at his family which she drew out; after all, he did think highly enough of his family at one point to say they would be the family Meghan never had. But with time she nursed his inferiority. I bet he has something like Stockholm Syndrome. Deep down he wants to be free which is why he’s always sulking and fidgeting with his ring. But he’s also bitter he’s not the heir and so he goes along with her dreams of celebrity.
But yeah, I think there’s blackmail involved. It doesn’t have to be criminal stuff, just tawdry. Imagine a drunk drugged Harry talking about what went on during the long Cambridge courtship, or private details we haven’t heard from his father and grandfather stepping out.
Will may have been sorry to see them go to MM...if the story that he told Harry to "slow down" with M is true, he probably was. But Diana left her jewelry to her two sons. And I suspect any grief Will had about Diana's diamonds is long past. If M wasn't wearing the ring recently it was for some other reason.
I encourage everyone to watch since team Meghan and Harry seem to have Catherine in their sights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPIf_A2kwQ
Besides, they love her, she's one of them.....
With all the positive good for them support, do people realize just how much money they are expecting to funded with until they supposedly are self supporting? The vagueness makes me think there is no actual timeline business plan of how this will all work other than we'll flog stuff and get paid, and get money from your dad and then we'll be fine?
This whole idea of adult kids believing they are entitled to allowances from the aging parents to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is way more common than I think I realize. I haven't seen anything about the topic in a long time (hello Palace Rota) but I can remember reading one article on this years and years ago. The only thing I remember (other than the topic) was some guy telling his banker/investment advisor/kind of person while referring to his adult daughter: That's it. She gets cut off at 44.
sigh. why not 24?
https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2020/01/08/the-sweaty-sussex-showdown-begins/
I must not be reading the same newspapers as the rest of you - all I read is negatives -" how stupid", and "we will not pay for them if they go to Canada (or the US)."
I will now take my popcorn and coke and enjoy....
Wizardwench:
He will be following in his mother's footsteps by withdrawing from the protection of the BRF in pursuit of what he deems "freedom" from the firm. And yet, he doesn't have the emotional bandwidth to handle someone as grasping and greedy as Ms. Markle. The only bright side of all this is that we will probably get a barrage of photos for three months just because the media is rather ghoulish. Once the publicity train comes to an end, Ms. Markle will start actively hunting for Husband No. 3 (or is that 4).
NeutralObserver:
Me Again and her dishcloth of a husband
Unknown (you know who you are!)
If they go to Canada, I hope a vicious wolverine gets them and we never hear from them again. RIP Harkles, may you get a funeral as big and splashy as your wedding.
Elle
Rach better tighten up those weaves. William's incandescent rage will morph into a beautiful and controlled daemon, and he has MI6 on speed dial (I knew that was a hint dropped). Rach's "friends" are going to have to choose between the BRF, Will and Kate and the Cambridge children OR The Duke and The Duchess of Nothing More than some In-N-Out Burger. Hard pass on the fries. In investment lingo, Rach & H are the equivalent of a penny stock pump-and-dump. Will & Kate are blue chip. Not a tough choice.
If Rach were in any way likable, I would feel some sympathy for her situation. She clawed her way up a lot of greasy poles just to escape her "here, hold my suitcase while I plop in some magic mammaries" past only to trash it all in no time to return to her "here, hold my Givenchy suitcase while I have my people plop in some magic mammaries for me". This trail of destruction, millions wasted, an innocent baby, all because of this vapid tramplette, but on the upside, at least she learned to lawn bowl.
I'm just gobsmacked by that "support". Could it be her bots?
Did even one of them actually READ the manifesto?
@abbyh. I agree. I think her mental health issues have taken over.
I just can't get over how brazen this move is!
They must have spent the whole break (with time out for hiking/rescues) smoking weed and giggling at how perfect their lives are going to be.
One would think the media would be up in arms over the censorship. Just another example of their woke hypocrisy. I can't imagine liberal support for a pair that want to silence a free press. Well, many want to, but these two are apparently going to attempt it. They will need many millions just to fund their lawsuits.
AvaC
Resharing your excellent comment that was deleted by Daily Telegraph because Meg has obviously paid them off as well. There is nothing racist, or wrong, in what you say.
"Racism has nothing to do with it. Meghan was welcomed on arrival and has destroyed that support single-handedly. Remember that when the leader of that group of female MPs who wrote a public letter of support (on HoC stationery) was challenged, several times, to come up with actual evidence of racism, she couldn't.
"The media has treated Meghan with kid gloves. This has in turn inflamed readerships, given their perfectly justifiable anger at her extravagance, dishevelment at many official functions, unprofessional behaviour, failing to follow security instructions, wilfully ignoring protocol, hanging onto her husband at every opportunity and treating people with disdain at what should be key moments of royal history (and, moreover, matters of record).
"I continue to be baffled by the blindness of her supporters to her obvious failings as a member of the royal family. I can only suppose they are equally ignorant of those requirements. I also note that the majority of her celebrity and non-celebrity fans seem to be based outside the UK. None of their taxes go to support this couple unless they are 'blessed' by a royal visit."
Wild Boar
I had also wondered about schizophrenia myself, or bipolar disorder, exacerbated by drug use to explain some of her bizarrities. She’s a narcissist, too, but certainly not of the impeccably groomed, stone-cold variety that ascends to the really high stations in life. Meg was in way over her head swimming in these circles. She’s got all the social polish of a streetwalker and it has painfully shown in her every outing.
With thoughts about co-morbidity or Something Else:
That gross, delusional, sense of entitlement, that paranoid yelling about racism- I put on my strictly amateur, unqualified, shrink hat, and arrived at this tentative equation:
Delusion + paranoia = psychosis (? schizophrenia)
Just a thought -
Perhaps also Folie a Deux (sorry, can't do accents here)
I looked up schizophrenia in my ancient medical dictionary (BMA 1999) rather than wade through Internet and read this:
`...apparent that individual is suffering from delusions (false ideas that do not respond to reasoned argument)...' such as being equally or more important than the Cambridges?
`...in paranoid schizophrenia the illness is dominated by delusions of grandeur, persecution and jealousy...'
`...Disordered thinking is reflected in muddled and disjointed speech. Disturbance of association results in the schizophrenic jumping from one subject to another , seemingly unrelated, one. ...In some cases, speech disintegrates, becoming a "word salad" of odd phrases, neologisms (made-up words) and detached syllables...'
`Behaviour becomes more eccentric and self-neglect is common.'
`Word Salad' - My goodness, how often that phrase has been used here!
Sandie
The wannebe most famous and important celebrities (remember what Ricky Gervaise said at the Golden Globes about why you should shut up?) who are sending messages of support to Meghan mistake rudeness for strength and disrespect for courage. On the contrary, it takes strength and courage to have dignity, grace, respect and endure (i.e. never give up) while living a life of service to others. Queen Elizabeth has her place in history (perhaps Elizabeth the Greatest?) and far more books will be written about her (have already been written about her), and her influence is far wider than Meghan can ever achieve, who will be remembered as the person who trashed all that with the disrespectful and rude way she said, basically, I can't do this, it is too hard, so I give up (but I still want all the perks). Narcissism, wokeness, the culture of know-it-all, grandiose celebrities will not last forever, but Queen Elizabeth's reign and legacy will always be remembered.
KC Martin
I have a horror of seeing "Duchess Meghan" demonstrating Plexiderm on late night television.
They are always going to represent the BRF. Unless they divorce. The glam goes with Harry. On her own, Megs is Fergie-lite.
If this announcement demonstrates the respect they have for the RF, gawd help us. They are going to be Dancing with the Stars before we know it. Well, actually not, as that requires work.
It sure explains Harry's weight loss. It must be tough completely betraying everything you used to stand for and humiliating your family in the most public way possible.
Although, I am glad for that humiliation and defiance. Right now, we need HM, PC, and PW "incandescent with rage". Everything they do now will have historical importance.
I also think that culturally, few people outside of Britain understand why their behaviour is so poor. In other parts of the world, flamboyant luxury is seen as a reward for hard work and a mark of moral character. You're rich because you earned it and deserve it. And few people are willing to believe that a humanitarian who has been welcomed by Desmond Tutu, Prince Charles, and the Queen could be hiding a completely spoilt, prideful character. The idea of "humanitarian" work has been completely shaped by the photos of Audrey Hepburn or Di hugging some impoverished or sick children in a developing country. It's easy to copy and sell to everyone that you're successfully helping out with humanitarian issues. Nobody, not even those in the non-profit sector, really know what programmes are working because woefully few projects have outcomes tracked sufficiently. But the feel-good photos certainly cover all that.
Seems like her friend Jessica gave her the idea of dating a Canadian man with local power and status to build her profile in Toronto, and Meghan followed suit. Then Lindsay Roth gave Meghan the next idea of marrying a rich English gentleman, and Meghan did her best to copy. Then her friend Misha married a billionaire who could bankroll her woefully unoriginal and non-profitable "job" aka hobby where she gets to playact and strut around as CEO despite only designing the most basic of clothes, and you know, Meghan wasn't going to sit by and have that.
The comments in the NYTimes are more negative towards H&M this am in the US.
My question is: the Sun said they had to go public because of the Sun’s article coming out. How does that jive with the queen telliing them not to make it public?
Would the palace deny it as speculation (as they did)?
This is a perfect opportunity to chop the Dumbartons off, take away their titles and access to royal perks in exchange for the total independence. "We understand their desire to pursue the life of independence and choose their own path in life and fully support their decision to relinquish the royal titles. They will therefore be known as Harry and Meghan Mountbatten - Windsor. They will still be viewed as members of the royal family and will be welcome to join us for the family events and celebrations".
I am only concerned Queen is too soft on Harry and will screw it by some sort of half-baked compromise therefor setting the monarchy on the road to self-destruction.
I used to support the Queen but not any more. She has lost control and will lose the future too unless Wills takes the wheel.
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To the actual title experts out there, would it require a Letters Patent to strip them of the Sussex title?
I wonder how Markus Anderson fits in with all of this. Surely Megs has followed his directions to get where she is.
Both of the Harkles are as predatory and cruel as a pair of hyenas. Harry loved Lion King so much but he's far from being Scar anymore. He's morphed into a hyena just like his nasty, jaws and teeth hateful wife. A schizophrenic paranoid hyena.
That baggage that Harry married may have missed something important which could scupper her plan without HM having to do anything.
We were told at the time of the engagement that she would not receive special treatment with regard to her immigration status - and sooner or later her current visa will need to be renewed. Renewal can be refused for any number of reasons - I particularly like the one about keeping someone out of the UK when this is deemed conducive to the public good.
Come to think of it, we know we're in the dark about when Archie was born but we're no wiser as to where. For all we know, he may not be British but if the law says he is, so be it.
HM is very good at the Grey Rock approach when No Contact is impossible - dealing with narcissistic behaviour by giving it as little fuel as possible, not letting on how livid one is, simply admitting to disappointment.
There can be great power in Doing Nothing in situations like this. One's adversaries can't stand being ignored and tend to give themselves away. Or else circumstances changes and , God willing, give one the advantage.
Incidentally, I read an allegation somewhere that Rach's `professional' rate was $500 an hour for her `company' when she was `yachting'. I make that 2000 hrs of `work' to `earn' her first $1m dollars, before tax, going freelance. That was then of course, when she was still a spring chicken. I've no idea how to adjust for inflation on the one hand and the lower value of goods approaching their sell-by date on the other; I can't see it keeping the two of them in financial clover under any circumstances.
Especially with this happening by the kings in other European countries, it could very well play off (as some articles have already mentioned) that H+M did her a favor by downsizing the monarchy.
Plus, we have examples of Zara (who just lost her license by the way... did anyone see that? Range Rover spokeswoman lost her license for driving 91 in her RR) and Peter Phillips, etc who work for a living and are “financially independent” while likely taking money from mummy,
I’m worried that for all the hysteria in the British media, this is going to play very well for the Sussex outside of the UK.
(I’m not supporting them like some of you think I do. I like to analyze and this is what I see... take it or leave it).
Odds and ends:
Diana’s jewelry was her own. They did not belong to the crown, and Harry and William inherited her jewelry per her will and her wishes for their wives to enjoy.
"Duchess of Sussex accused of exploiting her husband for her own gain, as biographer Tom Bower brands their decision a "disgrace""
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/09/duchess-sussex-accused-exploiting-husbandfor-gain-biographer/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
>>>@Hikari and @wild boar, I know we disagree on why armchair psychology is a dangerous path, but here's a different point to consider? I think it's a disservice to the people who suffer from mental illnesses with a neurochemical component, like schizophrenia or bipolar. Sometimes, people's actions aren't out of their control because of some mental illness, but rather are a set of selfish choices due to plain old character flaws combined with a lack of proper socialisation and transmission of values as children. It stigmatises those who suffer from mental illness to lump them together with the likes of this spoilt, petulant manchild and his wife. I am of the old-fashioned view, there are simply some selfish, emotionally immature people out there who have never properly emerged from their toddler tantrum stage when they don't get what they want or feel like they 're entitled to have.<<<
I am by no means trying to give Meg and Harry a free pass for their behavior or soften their foolish, selfish and destructive choices on the basis of mental health grounds alone. And I don't want to tar other people struggling with mental health issues or chemical dependency with the same brush as the Dumbartons. I have been deeply interested in aberrant psychology for many years, and gravitate toward thriller and 'bad seed' type books where evil deeds are done by people who are either 'evil' or profoundly mentally disturbed, depending on one's point of view.'
I believe in the concept of evil, absolutely, but I also hunt for *reasons* to explain why people do what they do and what makes them tick. Many people are content to call Meghan 'evil' and I've heard her described as possessed by the devil, too. I've idly wondered myself why such a below-mediocre talentless grifter like her has been able to rise as high as she has, and seemingly has endless pockets for PR agencies and lawyers . . a Robert Johnson style deal with the devil seems like a tempting explanation sometimes.
Meg could have a variety of things driving her to explain her 'evil' behavior, and some of them are based in mental illness or deficits in her emotional development. Whatever it is, she is beyond all hope of being any different than she is, so the only thing that can be done is to contain the fallout from her behavior. Not every person with similar challenges to Meg grows up to exploit people and hurt everyone she touches, but I believe to a large degree Meg is a prisoner of her own damaged personality. What she *should* do and how she *should* act seems common sense to a normal person, but Meg is not normal and will never be able to behave for long. Her family members did try to warn everyone about her patterns of behavior going back to earliest childhood. She is not rehabilitatable, so amidst my anger at her, is some pity, down deep. Still . . if Meg were a rabid dog, she'd be put down for the greater good.
I can’t say I agree because personally I haven’t seen many, and any support I have seen, has the added they must give up their royal privileges and be completely financially independent etc., which I completely agree with. I’ve seen mostly the opposite of support, but I don’t read discussion boards, only this blog. :o)
For anyone interested in seeing what's being said in the UK, YouTube Mike Graham Talk Radio is a reflection of what the nation's saying.
This is likely going to put a spotlight in Zara and Mike and how their finances work, which might not be welcome by them.
The sun says the queen is more upset about this than Andrew and Epstein. If this is true, she needs to step down. The 6th in line moving to a commonwealth country is not as bad as her favorite son raping teens with Epstein (allegedly but there are accusations), plus his shady business dealings. I understand she is probably pissed with HOW this happened, but again we have the Sun saying they had to go live because of the report the SUN was dropping yesterday. IDK 🤷🏼♀️
In the US especially, if your family doesn’t appreciate you or support you, F them and “take your fine ass out the door” (to quote Lizzo’
Just an analysis by Tatty. No one has to agree. I don’t have to be right and I could be wrong.
I think he has wanted to leave since his mother died.
Harry was 12 years old, so I disagree with that statement.
Yes, agree they may be welcomed outside of UK as victims of media harassment. At first.
The thing is media outside of UK doesn't have a finely-tuned relations with the royalty and Megs doesn't really have brains for strategic planning, and she is cheap, so she will make mistakes everywhere.
The most obvious so far is she is planning to favor only journalists who kiss her backside. She lacks mental capacity to understand others will tear her apart for that and her favorites will be viewed as untrustworthy sycophants.
I came across this on Charlatan Duchess' blog (https://the-charlatan-duchess.tumblr.com/) and it made mention of the Duke of Sussex title and responsibilities. It also made mention of his "Counsellors of State" duties. Per the Regency Act of 1937, there are a few requirements. Here is the general takeaway via Wikipedia:
"Rather than pass a specific Regency Act relating to the death or incapacity of George VI only, Parliament passed the Regency Act 1937 (1 Edw. 8 & 1 Geo. 6 c. 16), which provided for the incapacity or minority of all future monarchs. It also repealed the Lords Justices Act 1837, and established in statute the office of Counsellor of State, to be appointed during the monarch's absence abroad, or temporary illness not amounting to complete incapacity.
The Act required that the regent should be the next person in the line of succession who was:
- over the age of 21,
- a British subject domiciled in the United Kingdom, <------- !!!
- and capable of succeeding to the Crown under the terms of the Act of Settlement 1701.
The Counsellors of State were to consist of:
- the consort of the monarch and
- the next four people in the line of succession over the age of 21.
Thus, at the time of the passing of the Act, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester would have become Regent in the event that King George VI died while The Princess Elizabeth was still a minor. The current prospective regent under the Act, who would assume the functions of Regent should Queen Elizabeth II become incapacitated, would be her eldest son Charles, Prince of Wales."
The bit about the person being a "British subject domiciled in the UK" is the part that make come into contention here. If Harry does end up residing outside of the UK, even part time, would this negate his rules and responsibilities as Counsellor of the State?
If this rule did require he live full time in the UK and he was unable to meet these terms, would he be required to abdicate his title and place in the line of succession? Obviously this is well out of my scope so I defer to other Nutties, mayhap those better versed in law or the rules of succession.
It's also important to note that if Harry does reside with Markle in the US and is not living under a visa, I believe he will have to relinquish his title for naturalized citizenship (if he did have to become a citizen). Most likely that would never happen in the US because there will understandably be loopholes and all kinds of super-duper privileges granted for him to remain in the US under an extended visa.
Thoughts?
I have a schizophrenic friend (medicated) - it is not a manageable condition for a working actress , nor one who is married to a royal. So no, she is not schizophrenic.
I dated a narcissist. He was mad at his boss. He planned to do a stupid thing which would waste a lot of his boss's time. I said NO DON'T DO THAT because it was just such a bad idea for so many obvious, disrespectful reasons.
But OH NO - he was determined he was more valuable than anyone! He was right! He made 2.5 million dollars a year.
Well he ended up getting fired so you tell me. Yes I think she is a narcissist.
@jen yes, they both (Harry included) want to be free and still live off the money.
Prince Charles alledgedly saying " come up with a plan and get back to me " was a mistake. He could possibly have avoided this BOOM.
Perhaps MM not wearing her wedding ring was her way of pressuring H.
No wonder he looks so Haggard, caught between the family and the first wife.
1) HMTQ steps down, so that she can enjoy her life peacefully with PP.
2) PC becomes King, and Archie would therefore be a grandchild of the Monarch, who therefore would have custody of him. Archie would stay in the UK and remain a British citizen and have a life with structure.
3) William would then be Prince of Wales and have control of the Duchy which funds the Sussexes (or whatever they are called in the future). He will have no qualms about doing what needs to be done re: finances.
4) Strip the Sussex title, they and be Prince and Princess Henry, and do whatever they want without public funding.
Good riddance.
2) I was surprised to read that Harry would need a visa in order to work in Canada.. only the Queen travels without a passport. However, I am sure that Trudeau will arrange this quickly. In retrospect, Trudeau's Twitter message in December "you are among friends and always welcome here" tells me that he was already privy to this scheme back in December. This is right up Trudeau's alley as he also loves to hobnob with "celebrities", especially those who share his wokeness.
Are you saying Harry has not matured at all and is as impulsive and immature as he was when he was a child?
I was just watching Today with Hoda and Jenna. (Morning show here in America). They are all excited and hoping she comes back to do more segments on their show. Blah.
I feel like they are sitting on a pile of money. Maybe from their foundation, maybe from Harry, maybe both.
I think their “financially independent “ statement was designed to get the support of those who aren’t inclined to read more into it. It’s deceitful.
The sugars on Twitter are rejoicing. Their “King Harry” and “Queen Meghan” (seriously, they call them this) are breaking away from that mean ol’ Queen. Because, of course, it’s racist to not support their decision.
Analysis by Tatty. No one has to agree.
I learned a lot in high school about kids with developmental disabilities when kids were in separate special ed. classrooms as their foods lab. assistant. About 20 teens. Almost all of them could cook and take care of themselves, so the class for them was an easy A. Many had jobs like dishwasher or helper at the local bakery and restaurants after school. What stood out to me most of all is a very high sense of resentment and anger at the world in general and how the "normals" treated them like they were stupid or less than and I felt so sorry for them. They did lack the mental abilities to handle complex and/or abstract projects, but they didn't think so. They really did not understand it and for example, would not be able to pass a driver's test. I see that same kind of rage and resentment in Harry and after seeing that he could not pass his levels in school and that the royal family has covered for him it is very clear that he has some diminished cognitive abilities. It makes him malleable enough for Markle to rule and run him to destruction like we are seeing now. She loves the her scorched earth tactics today.
I suppose she thinks if the queen revokes her royal status and titles, etc. she'll just start screaming racism. It's probably the trump card she is counting on in all of this, but I don't think it will work this time.
Got an appt in 45 mins. Seriously have to go, but so many great comments!!
They are not funded by the public in any way, nor from any duchy revenues and they never have been, and they are not trying to usurp the monarchy in any way. It is not fair to scrutinise and criticise them, unless they do something illegal, and then the appropriate thing to do is to report them to the authorities.
What Meghan and Harry are doing is expecting funding to continue (to the tune of millions of pounds, and this is for wealthy people) and to do their own thing, in complete opposition to the monarchy, with no interference from the monarch and not even having the courtesy to inform her of what they are doing.
I have seen many stupid things in my life, but this is way high up on the list.
I just hope the monarch and her heirs realise what they are dealing with and respond accordingly. Being polite and appealing to a sense of decency and family loyalty and affection is not going to work. Meghan was planning this all along and she has been ruthless in getting what she wants - she will throw anything and everything under the bus and is too stupid to see that she is actually hurting herself (what are your bets that she is going to end up a lonely old woman with too much plastic surgery and hanger-on toyboy boyfriends just waiting for her to die so that they can grab what she has?). Wallis was actually well liked: she had impeccable manners, was well versed in high society and entertaining, was a superb hostess and knew how to listen and take a real interest in people, among other things. She died slowly in Paris, France, alone with no family or friends around her (she had rejected the Queen's offer to stay on at Buckingham Palace after Edward's funeral).
I couldn't find the Mike Graham youtube that you referred to, but whilst searching for it I found the Breakfast Show with Julia Hartley-Brewer.
This is really worth a listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqMnOJUum0
According to Angela Levin, Harry told her that he couldn't bear being thought of as a celebrity!
There are other reports of how he tried to monopolize her attention as well. I will look around online for some of the material and post links if I can find them. Very telling. I too have to leave for a while, but will try and post more when I have the time.
OK I got questions - how in the heck are they "going to be financially independent"? Harry has no skills, Meghan just a little more. How is that marketable? Books, interviews, documentaries? I think there might be an iron clad NDA being worked on right now.
Are they going to give up the Sussex titles? I know Harry can't give up HRH because he was born and bred a prince, but giving up Duke and Duchess of Sussex will mean they can't be "SussexRoyal" anymore. That would take an Act of Parliament but in the end it would be worth it.
Those are just the tip of the iceberg and I'd love to write more but gotta get back to work. Just came in to give my 2 pennies worth. I'll go check out HarryMarkle blog later.
Have a great day Nutties!!!
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I’m very aware of the problem of the stigmatisation of people with mental issues. I my case, I once refused the offer of voluntary inpatient treatment when in deep depression, having been dumped by my bloke one day and the next being told I was to be made redundant. I had a demented mother and nobody to turn to but I knew that accepting the treatment, then having to declare it, would end hopes of further employment.
Mental and behavioural issues can arise from any number of causes or combination thereof: genetic, developmental, neurochemical, upbringing and poor personal boundaries, neglect, brain damage, tumours and parasites. I’m about to start CBT for depression and anxiety and in the GLAD study (Genetic Links to Anxiety and Depression, based at King’s College, London gladstudy.org.uk). Depression has dogged me much of my life and I’m still trying to understand why – I think I’d add others loading their issues onto me, it’s almost catching.
There seem to be enough rational possibilities without invoking the supernatural. I can see though that faced with MM, it is not difficult to believe in the existence of evil as an actual force, rather than an absence of Good, in the way that `Cold’ doesn’t exist but is an absence of heat energy.
Perhaps MM has sold what little soul she has to the Devil, she makes his existence believable. I’ve often thought that my female bete-noire should be thankful she lives now and not in the 17th century. Living alone in her cottage, with only a cat, spinning her own knitting wool, cooking up ancient recipes, she would have risked being hanged as a witch.
A Very Royal Narcissist - Part 6 from 01-08-20 and its 01-09-20 companion piece A Very Royal Narcissist - Part 7 on narcsite.com.
To get the entire portrait of the Sussex story, read all seven parts. The first post was a few days before the wedding in May 2018 and the remaining six have been sporadically published since then. However, as things have taken a turn for the worse since last fall, the posts have been more frequent.
Who would want to wear a hoodie that says, "Sussex Royal?" Sorry, but it's alliterative to "sucks diXX." No thanks!
Prince Phillip knew what he was doing when he bestowed that title.
Harry probably confided in Markle early on some of his hurts, etc., and Markle played those up to convince Harry he wasn't loved or needed in his family. For a narcissist to isolate a vunerable child is one thing, but to isolate a functioning adult is remarkable.
Exactly. How can they "collaborate" with the Queen if they refuse to follow the rules set by her? They view themselves as equal to her and expect her to approach them with her humble "suggestions" that they may or may not accept.
"Don't go public yet, Harry. It needs thinking through" - "Oh...no I will. We will collaborate with you later".
So to say people are supportive isn't to say that they still don't dislike these two; they are just saying "fine, good...get out...we like the idea...begone!" Those who "support them" are likely opening their browser, or paper, or wherever the get their news and see the headline and go "oh looky there, that American actress whatshername and Harry are leaving the RF...isn't that interesting, good for them," they make a comment and go get their Starbucks. End of story. They know nothing about what's really going on.
Yes, they are ridiculous!
Have you listened to the radio show link that I posted further up the thread?
If not, please do. :)
My sister occasionally sends me a text about them... “have you seen this” etc so it’s not like she is obsessed and discussed them all the time.
He does love Vancouver island etc. so it’s possible something about them in Canada caught his ear.
I was pretty astounded though when he asked if I knew anything about them and “drama” and what was that about.
Yesterday someone mentioned that they - she - may have chosen Vancouver as a future home because of its relative proximity to Los Angeles. I think this is a very good point. I think Meghan only really cares about America. Canada, and then Britain, were only ever stepping stones for her. If she could now move to LA, she definitely would, but perhaps she was told that if she wants to keep up the 'demi royal' farce she woudl have to at least live in a Commonwealth country. Canada fits the bill perfectly - first world, English speaking, close to LA and of course she can play the whole 'Canada means so much to the Duchess' nonsense. But of course she has loyalty to nobody and nothing. Canada will be Markled too in its turn.
@Nutty when you said she would be out of the RF, did you envision Harry going with her? Or were you more or less thinking separation/divorce. How does this square up with what you felt? I’d love to hear more of your point of view.
Happy afternoon, everyone!
I wonder if something set off Meghan or if she had the plan ready and was going to proceed, no matter what the damage nor consider anyone else with regard to timing or consultation or agreement?
Harry, you do still have deep affection for Catherine, your sister-in-law (you showed that when you did a public engagement together when Meghan was on maternity leave). How could you do this on the eve of her birthday, when you know her well enough that she will be deeply distressed by these events?
`No, she gets what I give her.'
Jan 2020: `What Meghan wants...'
Harry is a very slow learner
Fact: Circa 2015, MM was divorced, aging dlist actress from dysfunctional family who spent her life using white men to advance her career and social standing (claiming to be a feminist and proud woman of color). MM parlayed her modest fame to enter woke world of group thinking fellow celebrities claiming to be humanitarians.
Until 2015, Prince Harry was a brave veteran and popular member of the Royal Family. He spent his time doing good works like the Invictus games, hanging with the Cambridges, enjoying a pint with friends and chasing tail.
Rumor: Blind date did not bring them together, Meghan stalked Harry while dating celebrity chef. When Harry broke up with her after a fling, she crashed his friend Tom Inskip's wedding in Jamaica and sent out pressers so the paps would crash, too. Fact: The pictures of wedding are a staggering exhibition of Meghan's balls and Harry's lack thereof.
Fact: Engagement interview. Meghan lied about not knowing who Harry was before they met. She manhandles and interrupts Harry the entire interview. When Harry does get in a word edgewise it's to admit they screwed on their second date. (One generation away from a mandated virgin of noble birth. Is this progress?)
Fact: Pre-wedding MM family meltdown in which formerly beloved father is disowned by Meghan.
Rumor: MM wanted her pick of royal jewelry and demanded the magnificent and massive Vladimir Tiara, to wear with her virginal white Givenchy dress and 15 ft. train to her second (or third wedding depending on what you believe.) Temper tantrums by both her and Harry ensue when she is denied.
Fact: Wedding. Odd celebration of African-American culture but MM disowned her African-American family, has never pursued romantic relationships with men of color, fries her hair and is OK marrying a member of an imperial family while wearing a veil that salutes its imperialism.
Rumor: MM is a tyrant and a monster to work for. Fact: Massive turnover at Sussex Royal.
Fact: Meghan smugly upstaged Eugenie's wedding by cradling a (supposedly) two month old fetus while unable to button her coat.
Fact: MM mandates the dissolution of the royal brothers' partnership and friendship. Demands move to Windsor Castle estate, splinters off charity work and social media platforms.
Fact: Publicity stunts:
1) Meghan "authors" cookbook by co-opting the recipes of the survivors of the Grenville inferno.
2) Writing encouragements on bananas at a charity for former prostitutes.
3) Launching a fashion line with celebrity designers to help unemployed women find work.
4) Showing up at Wimbledon dressed like a slob and then acting like a diva. (Serena Williams has lost every match her bad karma bestie has attended, btw.)
5) Carbon footprint, lectures, private jets.
6) Billionaire baby shower.
7) Instead of accepting the cover of British Vogue she demands to guest edit the September Issue (throwing shade at Catherine in the process). With no experience, she is granted this ridiculous request and uses it to plagiarize PLUS insult the British people by ignoring their women heroes and celebrating controversial political figures.
8) African trip and resulting documentary. No words.
Fact: This shameless hustler was welcomed into the RF with a spectacular wedding and reception. Besides spending millions, a light summer schedule was followed by the fall Australia trip, baby bump posting until January and then maternity leave until the mysterious roll-out of Archie in May followed by another summer of holidays. Yet, by the South Africa trip only 16 months in, she had set the wheels in motion for yesterday.
And after a total of about 40 weeks of part-time work she and her dupe want to half quit their jobs meaning no work, just the salary and benefits plus keep their "Sussex brand" to create a fake foundation and sell merchandise made in third world sweat shops. Don't know if I should cry or slow clap.
'They will be punished for this': Furious royal aides warn of backlash against Prince Harry and Meghan Markle after he 'DEFIED' Queen's clear orders not to announce quit plans and left Prince Charles and Prince William 'incandescent with rage'
A case in point is Princess Patricia, who was Queen Victoria's grand-daughter, She wanted to marry a commoner, so gave up the title of Princess. She instead was granted the title Lady. On the day of her marriage, she entered the Church a Princess, and left the Church a Lady.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Patricia_of_Connaught
Thank you for the link to H G Tudor and his blog about narcissists. I am ashamed to say I saw some narc features in myself and realized with horror I could have hurt people in the past, however unknowingly.
My only hope is by recognizing this I also acknowledge the problem, can deal with it and thus probably not placed too far up the narc scale. Fingers crossed. Sorry to all I could have upset with my comments!
(Diana's) death is not the reason for his lack of maturity and weak character.
Harry has been using the "My Mum died when I was 12 and I was forced to walk behind her coffin" card for these last 20+ years. My heart broke for him and for William. I lost my dad prematurely (albeit through natural causes, and I was already in my 30s) years ago, and I still grieve him daily. To lose a mother so violently and suddenly at their formative ages--the pain is immense. William suffered that same loss and has soldiered on according to his family dictum, while also managing to be open about his grief and channel it into positive ways. He was helped immensely by being welcomed into the Middleton family a few years after Diana's death and finding some warm family support and parental stand-ins in his in-laws. Harry has not lacked for female companions but none of the girls he dated wanted him for marriage. I think we now understand the reasons why.
Harry didn't 'suddenly' morph into the petulant, reckless, disheveled, haughty and whiny mess we now see before us. The saddest part of this whole spectacle is how thoroughly the world has been snowed for years about Haz's true character. Not even two scant years ago, he was besting his grandmother as the most popular royal. We could blame Meg entirely for his precipitate downfall but I think this has always been the real Harry under the PR gloss so ably woven by Edward Lane Fox and the Palace. This is what Harry's family have been dealing with behind the scenes for years. He was such a cute little boy, but I feel like things curdled around the age of 8--that's when he got obsessed with 'The Lion King' and was old enough to take note of, and hoard grievances over, the disparity between him and William in the larger picture.
Diana tried to equalize her sons' treatment at home, and that was a loving mom thing to do, but she could not insulate him from the reality of his lesser role in the Firm relative to his brother. Were she here today, I think she would be beyond disappointed at his conduct, notwithstanding that she tried a similar breakaway/Court of the People's Princess gambit and made really bad personal life decisions that led ultimately to her death. But I'm sure she felt that Harry's future was secure and would be brilliant as the blood royal prince, and he'd never have to make his way in the wilderness, cut off from the Firm as she saw herself. She'd be appalled that him throwing away his position and its privileges and protections so rashly, and making such a hash of his unique advantages to make a meaningful humanitarian impact. So far all his eco-warrior humanitarian 'work' has been Let's Play Pretend along with his wife.
If the Dukedom is taken from the gruesome twosome, they would than be HRH Prince and Princess Henry of Wales, as an aside the Suxxess Dukedom has some bad juju and I think it was given on purpose, as the RF saw through Miss Markle from the very beginning, just as Frogmore Cottage was, which is the burial place of Wallis and the former King Edward.
I always believed Frog Cott was the ultimate slam to Harry and Meggy, I believe they wanted Frogmore House, which is a lovely and gracious palace. Look at the other Royal Residences, given to spares they are all beautiful buildings, whereas Frog Cott has no architecture that proclaims it as anything but an add on servants quarters.
These two spoiled children even turned down PC offer of an estate in Wales, they have some cojones they really do.
I think they will soon find as they did with Tiaragate, that there will be no “collaboration” with HMTQ, she gives what she desires, not what is wanted.
The RF, HMTQ and her Mum and Sister all hated Wallis, as they blamed her for their Father’s early death, reasoning that had the Kingship not been forced on him he would have lived much longer as he stuttered and had not ever desired the duties and responsibilities of being King.
I was hoping for a night of Dracula and crisps, but instead I have The Sussex’s. Lol
To be honest it doesn't feel like she has a slingshot at the moment, let alone nukes. She totally failed to correct abysmal behavior and now it is out of control.
Unless she toughens up she has lost the battle for the future of the monarchy. The duo wiped their feet at her, Charles and Wills. Camilla saw through them tho
Diana could be ruthless and would have been to protect Harry.
Perhaps. However, I remain open minded, I think Charles and William will deal with the debacle and then consult with the Queen.
In Sweden this is not news.
No one cares about Meghan Markle here. Its just me :)
I so hope you are right.
>>>If Harry wanted out years ago, he could have spoken to his father/grandmother and forged his own way. He didn't want to; he enjoyed all the luxuries. <<<
Yep. The prime time to tailor a role for himself as Commonwealth ambassador to Africa would have been directly after his military career was finished. He (or rather *people*) set up Sentabale and Invictus *for him*, with his nominal involvement as the figurehead, but that was a good start. I believe he did a gap year in Africa and spent several months there on another occasion . . so the time to broker a 'more freedom/Africa' deal with Granny would have been then, when he was a single man, unencumbered, and his popularity at an all-time high.
He's shot himself in both feet and that ship has sailed. Until Meghan came along to fuel all his long-held grievances and present him with her plan for worldwide domination, he was too lazy and/or not intellectually capable of organizing his own life plan ideas/charitable causes, etc. to present to anyone. No initiative of his own. It's really beyond tragic, but his family has been trying for years to gild a t*rd, prop him up, give him jobs and make him a meaningful part of the Firm. Haz preferred to get loaded, party around the globe, be photographed without his clothes, create PR messes for his family to clean up, and appear at formal events with a smacked bum face. And privately whine about his lot in life and force his RPOs to score 'gak' for him. We've all been misled that Diana's second boy was ever a charming, cheeky Winner or good representative of his family--that is now glaringly apparent.
He was really cute and on good form at William's wedding, but one good day does not a winner make. I am sad, but this is the reality.
I'm with Raspberry Ruffle on this one. I've read the Times, Daily Mail, Guardian and Telegraph and where readers are allowed to comment(!) the response has been overwhelmingly critical towards H&M. I don't use Twitter but I dipped into it last night (and Tumblr) and found the same.
I must say as well that Jessica Mulroney's inane post ‘A strong woman looks a challenge in the eye and gives it a wink' made my blood boil. This isn't some trivial social media 21st century pile of nothing. This is my country's monarchy, over 1,000 years' of history, intended to bring stability and unity and we sure as hell need that right now with Brexit this very month and the Middle East at risk of war. As Piers Morgan put it today. "Who the f**k do they think they are?"
>>>@Hikari Megs would have never got within breathing distance had Diana still been alive, he would have long been paired off with an Aristo blonde, and barring that Diana would have had Meggy’s number and made sure her press resources fully sunk the former yacht girl as a potential Royal bride.
Diana could be ruthless and would have been to protect Harry.<<<
Two years ago, I was with you, but now I am not so sure. Diana may not have been happy about his choice, but you've got to remember that at the time of her death, she was in Siberia, as far as family influence went. She was only allowed to keep her KP apartment because her sons were still minors and needed a secure place to stay with her. That was to protect the boys, not her. Diana was a doting Mum, and protective, but she only knew her boys as children. We have no way of knowing what her relationship would have been like with them as adult men. Even well before she died, they were separating from her and her influence, away at school for most of the year. Meanwhile, she was yachting with Muslim playboys. She would have wound up as the trophy wife of Dodi or some other wealthy man and would have been further and further marginalized from her sons' lives, particularly if she converted to Islam. They still would have seen her periodically and talked to her by phone, but her capacity for influence would be smaller and smaller as they grew into adults. As a no longer official part of the Royal family, Diana could not have swayed Harry away from his own inclinations. She couldn't really do that when she was alive, though of course she had more control over him when he was small.
I think we have to face the facts that Harry is responsible for his own mess. Charles should by rights be a stronger influence on his now adult son as the surviving parent, and the male role model for how to conduct oneself as a Royal. Charles has failed. His grandparents have failed. His aunt and uncles and cousins and his loving brother have failed. Wouldnt' they *all* have tried to be as protective to him as Diana would have been? I now think that Haz would have told his Mum to F off, he was grown and was gonna do what he was gonna do. That is essentially what he has said to his grandmother. He is beyond controlling.
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No she wasn't doing anything with Vogue magazine while pregnant.
Fact: Yes she was although she didn't put herself on the cover.
Wild Boar Battle-maid you are courageous. Depression is a difficult thing that until you have it or someone you love/live with has it, that you truly begin to understand just how it is like ivy, clinging and changing everything. And you are a survivor when you tell yourself that you won't taint your future over your past.
(and H is slow learner - made me laugh aloud)
Would H have turned out this way if his mother was still around? Maybe. The enabling would likely have happened anyway but just with different people and in different ways. But I agree that his mother would have seen what she was, been ever so gracious but contacted her friends in the press the moment the door closed behind her.
As a side note, I have some difficulty with the idea that M was obsessed with the whole Diana larger than life dream to have also missed out that who gets the throne next rule is rigid but, sigh, sometimes what appears obvious is overlooked.
Raspberry Ruffle - at least with this, you can have contemptinis. Please keep us in the loop about what it comes out with.
MM's intent to hit the ground running, as it were, has just gone splat on the ground. Since she married in it's been nothing but chaotic stories about her and Harry, they're just not happy because they're not being treated right. On top of this, negative press and vicious rumors have flown about other members of the RF like never before.
Where does the compulsive need to destroy, destroy, destroy come from?!
Diana's private secretary Patrick Jephson pleaded with Diana not to take that step. It was the worst thing she could do to those charities and to herself. Not just to her reputation but to her life. She needed structure and a reputable role or she was lost.
Like mother like son.
oh just damn it Harry you’re a fool.
Doesn’t sound like Harry and Meghan will be invited to this family get-together.
"Meg your mind up" is the headline in the Sun, which is the UK's biggest circulation. And a mocking article to pair.
@Happy Days
Thank you for the link to H G Tudor and his blog about narcissists. I am ashamed to say I saw some narc features in myself and realized with horror I could have hurt people in the past, however unknowingly.
My only hope is by recognizing this I also acknowledge the problem, can deal with it and thus probably not placed too far up the narc scale. Fingers crossed. Sorry to all I could have upset with my comments!
@Fairy Crocodile: Most everyone has a small element of what could be described as narcissism in their personality, but it’s when it becomes the overwhelming element that guides a person’s actions is when it can be a problem. It just so happens that in its extreme manifestation like we have been watching in the case of Meghan and Harry, it turns into a toxic destructive cancer.
It’s like salt in a recipe. A little is fine, but a truckload isn’t. Meghan is several truckloads of salt.
Anyway, I believe I am right that Prince Charles made a concerted effort to have the Duchy of Cornwall definitively declared as the private property of the PoW, as the exact situation is not as rock solid as he would wish. A task still in progress. Now, such is the public and media anger with the Sussex's presumptuous announcement and the scale of their dependency on Duchy of Cornwall funds, the media is beginning to note that a case could be made for the Duchy to be seen as a public asset. The very last thing Prince Charles would want. Right after his affable, cosy two-parter about how everything is rosy in the Duchy as it is.
We know that Prince Charles is ruthless if his own interests are threatened. That includes with his sons. It's probably the only thing that would galvanise him. So may the media and public crawl over the Duchy of Cornwall as long as this crisis lasts. It may be the best hope we have.
Reminds me of Camilla meeting Trump and winking at the press corps as she turned to leave...
I think Meggy is just mad that she isn’t as venerated as Kate, but Kate took years of abuse Waity Katey et al and suffered many mishaps that had her branded as a royal exhibitionist.
How could a young woman know that her skirt would blow up around helicopters and that there was a reason that Royal Ladies wore heavier fabrics with weighted hems?
I do believe this is all down to poor Meggy not being beloved as she hit the ground, when had she been patient and followed protocol she could have been the force for change she so desperately wants to be.
Another one @Happy Days "Queen has bigger nukes".
To be honest it doesn't feel like she has a slingshot at the moment, let alone nukes. She totally failed to correct abysmal behavior and now it is out of control.
Unless she toughens up she has lost the battle for the future of the monarchy. The duo wiped their feet at her, Charles and Wills. Camilla saw through them tho
@Fairy Crocodile: You’re right. HMTQ doesn’t appear to be using the tools/weapons she has in her arsenal. She has bigger nukes, but they are far more effective if she actually uses them. Time to bring out that big red button and push it, Queenie. If they are less than hard-liners with Harry and Meghan, it will be seen by Meghan as a sign of weakness, which it is. You can’t play nice when dealing with a deeply embedded narc like Meghan.
They deserve zilch! If the royal family go down the route of compromise, I think the whole monarchy will be in jeopardy. I think a lot of the British public are humming the same tune. Yes, leave if you want to that’s fine by us, but you can’t be part time royals with one foot half way in and the other half way out. It’s 100% independence in everyway or you stay as full time royals.
Prediction: as I think someone above stated I think Megan is angling for a presidential run at some point in the future. I absolutely believe she’s that power hungry and delusional. Without the backing of the RF it’s going to be very difficult to keep the past quiet.
We don’t pay Kardashian’s security. Why should we pay a z-list cable tv actress and her pathetic husband’s?
I do not think it is going to happen.
I just don't get the frequent comparisons to Obama in terms of earning power for appearances in the US.
Agree, H&M are not as accomplished, respected or connected as the Obamas and wonder if this announcement was made by H&M's PR agency.
There have been many statements in the past such as M is the Queen's favorite and the Queen will be having a special birthday party for M at Balmoral which are suspect.
Was this announcement timed just before Kate's birthday to take attention from her?
I'm really surprised how petty and entitled these two people are.
I completely agree. No country should foot their security costs if they aren’t working royals, that includes the British.
I too fear that HM may back down. But I really cannot see how she can allow them to use the royal 'brand' as a way to make money. It's not just tacky, surely it's unconstitutional? Royals are public servants. When policitions use their office to make money on the side, they get into serious trouble. So why not 'royals' too?
When MM came to NYC, FOI documents showed city, state and federal funds were diverted for security. But that was a one-time event. Even IF they stay quasi-working royals I don't think we should have to pony up for long-term security.
We must all look to what has already happened when Haz and Meggy tried to force their way into Royal events they did not behave properly at the POW exhibit and the Garden Party, both times they were shown the door.
That was at Charles and or Camillas behest, IMO
Meggy and Haz stayed at the Garden Party for only minutes, and Camilla herself gave them the boot,
Actually Diana dropped 100 of 106 charities, which would have to make uo for the inevitable shortfall in funding....somehow...or cut services.... Jephson told her how it would be but she had made her decision.
Re. the Diana implosion, self-made and 'like mother, like son'.
Yes, too true. The cult of Saint Diana does not like to be reminded that Diana largely engineered *by herself* the circumstances which led to her untimely death. She was on a self-destructive course those last couple of years of her life. Abandoning her charities was a terrible move. Harry's doing the very same thing. What of Sentabale and Invictus now, Haz? Those could have been his legacy, but he's opting to trail along to L.A. behind his wife and hold her purse.
The former chef of KP relates an anecdote of being in the kitchen with Diana and speaking casually with her about her boys. "William is deep like his father," she said. "And Harry is an airhead like me."
Nailed it, I'm afraid.
I think Diana did have good qualities, along with a lot of internal pain and flaws. I wanted to believe that Harry did, too, but I really just feel like we've been lied to so much about him through the years. I don't know if he will ever be able to repent and come back to his family. I see an awful lot of Uncle David in him, and it is a very unflattering and sordid picture.
William got the best parts of both his parents and just, Thank God, that he was born first. Or it would be Abdication II all over again.
**** The Queen has convened a meeting of all four Royal households and tasked them with coming up with a “workable” future role for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. The offices of the 93-year-old monarch, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge have directed their teams to work together “at pace” with Governments and the Sussex household to find “workable solutions”. This is expected to take “days rather than weeks”.
The reference to multiple governments suggests that the discussions will involve both British and Canadian ministers. It points to an urgent desire to avoid a protracted fallout likely to be played out in the public eye. The first such meeting is understood to have taken place this afternoon, with aides stating that there was a desire to help the couple and see if their wishes could be achieved. *****
For God's sake WHY do they deserve anything? After this? If my 98-year-old husband was ill and my ungrateful, unrepentant grandson just kept making things worse (never mind being a Head of State) I wouldn't hesitate to pull the rug from under him. Nothing else will work.
*PART 1*
When the Duke and Duchess of Sussex announced they were quitting as ‘senior’ members of the Royal family, they unveiled their plans in a 200-word bombshell statement and launched their new lives on a specially commissioned website sussexroyal.com.
But yesterday those plans began to unravel before they could even be put in place. Within hours, Buckingham Palace insiders began to pick apart a series of claims, covering everything from their security to their financing and even to their housing.
FUNDING
The Sussexes complain on their website they are “prohibited from earning any income”. Under their new plan, they “prefer to release [their] financial tie” to the Queen’s Sovereign Grant. The couple says the grant contributes towards five per cent of the cost of their office with 95 per cent of their income derived from the Prince of Wales via his Duchy of Cornwall estate.
An examination of Royal accounts suggests the Duke of Sussex receives in the region of £2.3 million a year from his father’s estate. If all that money was spent on their private office then the sum received from the Queen for their private office is just £115,000, equivalent to five per cent of their income. David McClure, an expert on Royal finances, described the Sovereign Grant money as “chicken feed.
If that’s the case, then the Duke and Duchess are giving up only a small amount which they can more than claw back in speaking engagements and commercial endorsements. Royal sources have told the Telegraph that the money from the Duchy of Cornwall will not be guaranteed once they quit their Royal duties.
SECURITY
The Sussexes say that taxpayer-funded, armed security is “mandated by the Home Office”. Their website when it was first launched on Wednesday said the couple were “classified as internationally protected people which mandates this level of security”. The reference was later deleted, suggesting the couple had been forced into an embarrassing u-turn.
But the message was clear; the Duke and Duchess may be stepping down as senior Royals but they would be forced to retain round the clock security as a matter of course.
The security cost for the couple is north of £650,000 but that would rocket if they start dividing their time between the US, Canada and the UK with the extra costs of stationing Metropolitan Police close protection officers abroad.
Senior Home Office sources have said their future security “will be discussed at some point”. Scotland Yard is likely to look at the operational costs of their security in light of their announcement. If they do have to provide their own protection, the Duke and Duchess’s costs will rocket. One source has suggested security costs are so prohibitive it could scupper their whole future project.
HEAR, HEAR!!
FROGMORE COTTAGE
On their website, the Duke and Duchess say they will “continue to use Frogmore Cottage... as their official residence... so that their family will always have a place to call home in the United Kingdom”. The renovation of the cottage was hugely controversial, costing £2.4 million ultimately paid for by the British taxpayer. The Duke and Duchess acknowledge the cottage remains the property of the Queen and they acknowledge they can only reside there with her permission.
Such is the anger within the Royal household that, according to sources, the Queen may revoke permission for them to stay in the cottage or else begin charging them a commercial rent on the house. There is also a clamour for them to pay back the renovation costs, now they have given up their full-time Royal duties.
ROYAL TITLES AND SUCCESSION
Only certain members of the Royal family - usually at prince or princess level - get the title HRH, denoting a seniority that comes with it obligations of Royal duty. The Duke and Duchess continue to use Their Royal Highness on their website and will want to keep the prestigious titles as they enter the commercial world.
But Palace insiders now say that even the HRH title is ‘up for debate’ and the couple may be stripped of their title. Both Princess Diana and the Duchess of York lost their HRH titles when they were divorced and stepped down from Royal duties. Such is the fury inside Buckingham Palace, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex also now face demotion. Succession to the throne will not be affected and the Duke remains sixth in line to the throne.
LIVING ABROAD
The Duke and Duchess have been vague about their future home, only saying they will “balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America”. They spent the past seven weeks in Canada, staying part of the time in a mansion in Vancouver. It is now being suggested that they will divide their time between southern California, where the Duchess’s mother lives, and Canada, possibly Toronto where the Duchess had a home when she was starring in the television series Suits.
The couple say they require ‘space to focus on their next chapter’ and that suggest they will need to buy or rent homes that come with security and large grounds to protect their privacy. Palatial properties in the nicer parts of Los Angeles come at a cost - typically £50 million and upwards - while Toronto is altogether more affordable.
PRESS RELATIONS
The couple’s website devotes a whole section to the media. The Duke and Duchess have put in place a new media policy that tears up the old traditions. In their latest salvo in their war against the Royal press pack, the Duke and Duchess attack the “misconception” that “Britain’s Royal Correspondents are regarded internationally as credible sources of both the work of members of The Royal Family as well as of their private lives”. They go out of their way to praise media organisations that uphold “accuracy and inclusivity” and include the Daily Telegraph amongst those outlets.
Eschewing mainstream media, the couple plan to engage with “grassroots media organisations and young, up-coming journalists” and invite specialist media to specific events. They will “no longer participate in the Royal Rota system”.
The reality of ditching the mainstream media is likely only to antagonise the Press. Their dream appears to be for only positive coverage but if anything they will now invite more scrutiny, not less from a Press no longer needing to keep them on side. If their plan was to be popular in north America that already appears to have backfired with negative articles in both the New York Post and the New York Times.
ENDS
Camilla Tominey, on This Morning mentioned that the Duchy of Cornwall is at present considered public money, (held in trust by Prince Charles, I guess). Don't know if that's true, but if a republic is adopted, I guess it could be!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5B5Gx8RXA&feature=emb_title
No appeasement to meglomaniacs, Ma'am. Your Father refused it to Herr Hitler, even as his own slimy brother was making promises in Hitler's ear from the Bahamas that the British would cave. Harry is not the first meglomaniac in this family.
Amid all this heat and noise, it must be remembered that the Duke and Duchess of Suxxit are not of Edward's rank. Their abdication is not a constitutional crisis--unless ER tries the appeasement route and lets it fester into one.
Within the boundaries of the law, Harry is entitled to retain some of his rank and titles, but their Wokenesses need to be informed that there will be no 'Stepping Back' on their terms. They will either Step Down (abdicate their titles and any claim to them, or to being working royals when they feel like it)--freeing Harry up constitutionally to live any where he wants--on his own money. Not Duchy Funds (at the discretion of Charles) and not Sovereign grant funds. An injunction on any monetizing of Royal brand. Megsy will try--make each infraction a criminal offense and haul her to court. Ma'am has more money. Any sponsorship of the rogue faction will evaporate if their spokeswoman is always in court and is no longer a Duchess. If Harry renounces his Ducal title than she isn't one either regardless of whether they stay married.
Maybe Meg can star in a 'Behind the Tiara' special on VHI which documents her meteoric rise from briefcase girl and prostitute to Royal Duchess and back again in under two years. I'd watch it.
That's the only option there is. Trying to keep them in the fold as working royals in any form is doomed to disaster. If you have a tumor, you have to cut it out or it spreads to the whole. Meghan has given the Queen a gift--by announcing that it was *their* intention to leave, against the wishes of the family, all future claims to racist harassment and 'being kicked out because of racism' are blunted.
No appeasement, Ma'am. Get Parliament on board and do it ASAP. Scorched earth. Or else the serpent in your bosom will bite you again.
Like I said yesterday, this story is only just getting started.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-aides-question-sussexes-claims-about-finances-qb0j3pgj8
The former King of England took his American divorcee and the money he could wring out of the family and left, I think with visions of being a glamorous alternative court to his brother's . . but he soon found that without his title and occupation, he was not in demand by the society circles who were so keen to know him when he was the King of England, or the Heir apparent. Bertie banned his brother from setting foot in the United Kingdom apart from 2 funerals--does his daughter have the balls to do it to her grandson and the grifting wife?
I have a Plan B after all . . Harry abdicates and leaves the UK for good, or he is held indefinitely at Her Majesty's pleasure for treason. I'm sure his 'domicile' will be very comfortable and it will certainly be in England, but it's not going to be at Frogmore. I think there is a case to be built for treason on a number of levels.
Harry's bluffing without a hand to play but then, he's always been stupid.
PEOPLE understands that Archie remained in Canada while the couple flew to London, where they made their first appearance of the new year at Canada House on Tuesday to thank the country for hosting them during their holiday getaway. Meghan, 38, and Prince Harry, 35, plan to return to Canada and reunite with their son soon.
It is believed that Archie stayed with Meghan’s close pal Jessica Mulroney, whose three children served as page boys and a flower girl in the couple’s royal wedding in May 2018
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-traveled-to-london-while-archie-remained-in-canada-amid-palace-shakeup/
They must be afraid the BRF is going to nab Archie. What kind of parents do this?
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>>So People magazine is reporting that they left Archie behind in Canada! What kind of parents leave an 8 month old in another continent? I might dismiss it as a rumour but given that People magazine is unctuously pro Meghan I believe it. Did they believe him behind - presumably with taxpayer funded security - because they feared the queen would not let him leave Britain?<<
Well, People is so unctuously Pro Meghan, that's precisely why they cater to all her lies. They will print anything she tells them to print.
If Archie is in Canada, I can think of a few scenarios:
1. Archie belongs to a Canadian family.
2. They are using him to force the Queen to agree--we HAVE to go to Canada to get Archie!
3. Archie is a figment.
A real little child exists but whether the Dum-Dums have custody of him or any power to drag him into these 'negotiations' is another matter. Real loving parents would not put their infant through this. Which leaves us two options:
a) Neither of them give a single yak turd about Archie
b) They are not his parents or any parents and never have been.
Let's see where this all leads. What a spectacle we are in for.
They are despicable.
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