Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's insistence that she is being hounded by paps in her Canadian hideaway looks a lot like her 2016 claim that she was being hounded by paps in Toronto.
In both cases, it seems likely that Meghan conspired with the photographers, both to obtain publicity and a percentage of the profits from selling the photographs to media outlets. (Meg's mother Doria, father Thomas, and ex-husband Trevor all appear to have done something similar.)
Now the Sussexes have issued a legal warning via their lawyers, Schillings, saying "this type of continual harassment...obviously raises serious safety and security concerns and is causing them considerable distress."
So what is Meg playing at? Does she think that the public can't figure out she's using the paps to boost her profile and merch her yoga pants, baby carrier, beanies, and dog leashes?
Or is she trying to create an incident in order to make the case that the British taxpayers should consider to pay her security expenses? If she is trying to create a "security incident", how far will she go?
Or is she trying to create an incident in order to make the case that the British taxpayers should consider to pay her security expenses? If she is trying to create a "security incident", how far will she go?
Making the wrong people angry
Meanwhile, what does making the pap photographers angry really mean for the Sussexes? Unlike the bad old days of Jackie O and Ron Galella, today's paps don't need LIFE magazine to publish their snaps.
It would be easy for an angry pap to publish unflattering images of the Sussexes - having a fight? holding a doll? co-ordinating a paid pap shot? - directly online without any major media involvement, and then simply direct people there with Twitter. There is no gatekeeper.
It's better to have paps as friends than enemies.
Jesal Parshotam, a young British photographer who was the first to report that Kate was at the hospital to give birth to Prince George, is known for his gallant refusal to take a photo of Kate in labor as she arrived at the Lindo Wing.
Today, Jesal has been tweeting about the Sussex pair. "'Lawyers say there have also been attempts to photograph inside their home using long-range lenses and they accuse the paparazzi of being camped outside the property.' This is a lie!," Jesal tweeted.
"These lawyers always fabricate and use emotive language to win over opinion," Jesal added. "They also syndicate these “private letters” to the press in order to gain media attention and spin the situation into their favour."
In response to another Twitter user's comment that Meg had perhaps arranged the pap shoot without telling Harry, Jesal tweeted "It wouldn’t be the first time a public figure has tipped of the press without members of their family or partners knowing."
What will making an enemy of the paps mean for the Sussexes in the short, medium, and long run?
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An interesting thought came out of the Tiaras and Houseplants blog: that Harry understood the BRF as a family, but not as an institution.
I would suggest that is why Harry is about of step with the idea of supporting Wills role.
If you are ever out of topics for a post....:)
Liver Bird said…
"Those ppo’s need to be fired. They were walking BEHIND her. The photographer who jumped out of the bushes in front of her could very well have been holding a gun instead of a camera!!!!!!"
If they were in front of her, the paps wouldn't have gotten their shots. It is becoming clear Meghan is flipping nuts and orchestrated a photo op not a walk with baby. Everything about this was staged: the body guards absentmindedly strolling behind her - completely nonplussed by the fact that Meghan has been "ambushed;" taking their hats off at her command; doing nothing to help take command of the situation much less the dogs or the dangling boy. I would not be surprised if there was craft services available.
For instance the dancing video dated 1993, that is obviously a 12-year old dancing and not a 16-year old. Same goes for the video of the last day of high school. If Meghan is as insanely smart as she says she is, it seems unlikely she graduated from high school at age 22.
But Oprah and her BFF GAyle defending them yesterday, of course Oprah and her BFF are just trying to protect their investment into PH and his deal with OWN.
Netflix’s results weren’t great, will be interesting to see how long they can continue making multi-million dollar deals with celebs like Obamas. The money will eventually dry up if they don’t increase membership. The Harkles better complete a deal quickly!
" I would not be surprised if there was craft services available."
Lololololol! Dying here!
"Thomas Markle comes across as a rather unpleasant and unstable individual"
Lets see the facts re Tomas Markle being 'unstable'
1. He had custody of his daughter while Doria was missing in Meg;s life.
2. He was stable to give Meg's a private Catholic school education (Doria didn't)
3. He was stable enough to earn and spend an enormous amount of money for Meg's college education (Doria didn't)
4. Tomas Markle worked consistently for Years in highly competitive field of choice.
5. He is retired and has lived for years in Mexico.
6. He has not run to the Press multiple times a week like the Harkles do for PR.
7.. He has taken the high road and rarely said anything negative about his daughter util she repeatedly lambasted him in the press.
8. He has consistently said he loved his daughter (not true the reverse of Meg;s).
9. He show no signs of being a narcissist (otr any other personality disorders),
If bet many children would want a Father who did so much (if I hadn't had a such a good Dad I would cherish one like him)
About him being unpleasant:
1. He other children (who should know him best and better than posters here) praise him and have not said he was unpleasant.
2. He probably would not have had a successful Hollywood career if he had been unpleasant.
3. Not one person other than Meg (and you; not even Ophra, etc.) have said he is unpleasant.
4. Doria, an exwife (nor his first ex-wife) has said he is unpleasant.
5. Harry in all his protectiveness has not said he is unpleasant (maybe because the bloke never met Tom, lol).
6. It is not unpleasant to expect your child to be a decent human being (which posters here don't think Meg is).
7. It is not unpleasant to say the truth however bad it might sound about your beloved child.
8. If Meg can leak to the press he should be allowed to give an interview and it was not unpleasant (I chuckled with his 'Walmart with a crown' remark; sense of humor as his was not unpleasant).
So all in all, I find him to have been an extremely devoted Dad, living a stable life and reasonable in his assessments about Meg and Harry. I dare say, the BRF should have shown interest in helping him at the time of the wedding (do you think they would of treated the Middleton's like that; perhaps they were bigoted toward Tom).
Believe me, Meghan will NOT be a good mother, on the contrary, speaking from experience. In my case, I was just a much stronger person than she was, fighting her at every waking moment and escaping the moment I had the chance and going no contact.
"Meghan had two security people following directly behind her. You can see them in the background. If she felt threatened or was just plain annoyed the photogs were there, why didn’t the security team step in and stop them or ask them to stop taking photos?"
Like, say, at Wimbledon that time....
Even her friends have said...she likes to stir things up then step back - or run off and watch from afar what effects her actions had.
I don't disagree that his profiting of her is distasteful to us normal people, but considering how she has treated him and his financial situation (which is likely the way it is because of her), why shouldn't he profit off talking about her?
He learnt from the best how to merch. From his daughter. He is an old man of 75 and really can use the extra money. I am not well versed in such payments, my guess is Thomas Sr. got $25,000 to $50,000 for this TV interview. I thank UK Channlel 5 for helping him out as far as unburdening and getting some needed funds.
Also for allowing Thom. to throw a few wrenches in the gearworks of the Sussex Royale merching machine.
Big mistake Megsy. You should have had your father at your side for the wedding and on your side after the wedding. You would be doing better today, by ghosting him so unequivocally, this kills your image and your credibility as a humanitarian.
Meg could be pegged at the right age but it’s possible she isn’t. I’ve noticed girls that are shorter often get away with “being younger.” My brother was 6’ and I was 5’9” when we hit 12 and everyone assumed we were in our 20s. My sister who is 5’5” now but was below 5’4” in her teenage years always “looked” at least 5 years younger than her actual age. Now in her 20s, she “looks” 10 years younger.
If Meg had the “looks young” problem in junior high and high school, it might explain why she dressed so provocatively and got a boob job so young. Guys she’d be interested in wouldn’t want to be with someone that makes them look like perverts.
Once upon a time (back in the 60s) Queen Elizabeth descended from the Royal Train on her return from Balmoral, I believe it was, to see the platform crowded with photographers all holding their cameras down at their sides. No clicking, no flashes... there was a strike on.
Would that it would happen here. Give the woman what she wants. DO leave her alone. Maybe the tabs and papers could just insert a tiny box notice (old school) or tweet "the D&D of Sussex have posted 2-year-old photograghs to their IG. Out of respect for their oft-expressed wish for privacy, this newspaper will not reprint those photos."
I stopped perception of them as royals already. Just an expensive pair of nobodies. I stopped caring how much money they will make merching. They are just not relevant any more.
I will probably follow the sorry saga a bit longer just to watch a messy divorce. I am not nice.
Yep, and she's taken it to a whole new level with the 'watching from afar' bit.
On the plus side, on the other side of the Atlantic, she will be cut off from any Palace gossip that could be used to hurt the Cambridges or others. She is probably chewing glass over this, hence the papp-walking and pot-stirring. She put herself here, though.
It's an interesting notion that someone suggested that her secluded island luxury retreat is actually a form of mental health commitment. I'm on the fence about the recent visits to the women's shelter/seaplane photos as they depict a much younger, thinner looking Rachel. She did have a documented trip to Vancouver at Christmas 2015, so I think there's been some creative doctoring going on with those pictures.
Also, her presentation at the 'ambush' woods walk, with her hair demurely braided--we have never seen that hairstyle, ever. She's been on plenty of walks and has never plaited her hair. Maybe she doesn't have access to her wig wardrobe any more? Wonderments.
So all in all, I find him to have been an extremely devoted Dad, living a stable life and reasonable in his assessments about Meg and Harry. I dare say, the BRF should have shown interest in helping him at the time of the wedding (do you think they would of treated the Middleton's like that; perhaps they were bigoted toward Tom).
Very good listing of Thomas' good points. Agree 100%. Some of your points can be summed up by, Thomas was a good to great provider for his two families. Talking only about him working in a stable way to bring home the bacon.
There are tons of people in Hollywood who wanted his lighting gigs. Thomas had the interpersonal skills (such as schmoozing) to get steady work in his skilled field. The competence too.
The BRF did nothing to help Thomas get to her Royal wedding? The story goes that Megsy lied to the BRF and their functionaries, told them that she had the situation under control, was making sure her father made it to the UK. While she did nothing of the sort, as she manipulated Charles to walk her down the aisle. Once she saw Charles was easily played, she manipulated, scammed, charmed the Bank of Charles into funding her $700,000 manic couture binge.
@Swampwoman ; Iguanas.... down here in extreme southwest Florida, I can happily announce it has stopped raining Iguanas! Thank goodness, it is presently 67*. Falling iguanas hitting concrete sounds like a small bomb �� going off!! :)
https://www.cheknews.ca/duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-threaten-legal-action-against-paparazzi-639260/
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/raining-lizards-frozen-iguanas-fall-013325574.html
If the rumours are true that's exactly what they did but you-know-who thought she knew best and had to do things her way. As always.
"@Swampwoman ; Iguanas.... down here in extreme southwest Florida, I can happily announce it has stopped raining Iguanas! Thank goodness,"
OTT for sure but @SwampWoman started it. lol/ Actually I was intrigued by her comment and looked it up and found photos of the cute little green critters laying on the ground, some belly up, probably expired. I have to admit it brought a tear to my eye. I was thinking maybe someone should go out and scoop these little denizens up and rescue them but alas people there probably consider them an invasive nuisance species. Oh well, for all (and iguana) concerned I hope warmer weather comes and we don't hear about showers of green lizard bodies raining down on Floridians, especially SwampWoman (who I love her comments). Anyway, can only imagine the harm a 6 ft iguana falling on your head could do.
It was ambiguous what the pap said. He said something basically like (how I heard if) that if she didn’t welcome the pap photos, she would have put her head down, but she didn’t and instead gave him the pictures by looking directly at the cameras and smiling. He didn’t confirm or deny he was called.
It does look like when she was papped it was at the end of a walk and by the parking lot. Maybe the dogs were tired and not drugged :)
She's just another celeb now. Celebs have their photos taken every day. Get over it Harkles, or do us all a favour and disappear into the private life you say you want.
When I read that headline, all I could think about was this stanza from Billy Joel's iconic song Piano Man (slightly altered for this situation)
And the Duchess is practicing politics
As the Duke and his "friends" slowly get stoned
Yes, they're sharing a drink they call loneliness
But it's better than drinkin' alone
Rach's future could probably be summed up in the famous lyric:
Her name was Meghan, she was a Duchess
With a tiara in her hair and her dress cut down to there
She did the pap-walk and did some merching
And while she tried to be a star....
Meg is a control freak. She deliberately not let the BRF contact her family members except Doria because she was afraid they might disclose her shady past.
Handling them is not for the beginner.
We used to have one who finally died after about 15 years...now my son has a bearded dragon that I also don't love but am not really wary of.
Plus, being half-black means she has the benefit of more anti-aging melanin which is in her favor.
@Hikari - "Narcissists have no core personality to draw upon or look inward to. That's why they, and she, relentlessly copy everything others do and appropriate others' actions, words, style and ideas."
Yessssss, I've been genuinely astonished, over time, at her straight-up copy catting in a number of ways. It has struck me as very odd.
>>>Something that has always surprised me about her is how much skin damage she has at her age given her ethnic background. She is bad at grooming herself, so I guess that translates to her being bad at skincare too. That could be why some think she looks older than her given age.<<<
Well, Rachel does love those beach holidays . . and growing up in SoCali she probably hung out at the beach a lot while in school. Doesn't seem likely that she would have gone to tanning beds if she was trying to pass for 100% white, but as a teen in the 1990s in that place, going to tanning beds and nail salons is a favorite pastime and she would have wanted to keep up with her friends.
Given Rachel's penchant for lying about her past and obfuscating her actual records/achievements vs. what she tells people (e.g. Northwestern graduation; fluency in foreign languages; and her spotty/incomplete work history) I would not put it past her to have shaved four years off her age. Maybe if she hadn't gotten world famous, she would have continued to be '35' for the next 8 years. Birth dates, unlike school records are public information, so it'd be hard to scrub her real birthday . . however, a grifter from a family of grifters probably could finagle it--file for a new birth certificate under a new name . . maybe 'Rachel Meghan Markle' isn't even her real birth name.
I trust no 'facts' where this woman is concerned. She's too small to have been born a man as some tin hatters claim, but she's lied about so much else, shaving a few years off her age in an ageist industry would not be surprising. If Rachel is actually coming up on 43 years old, she really robbed the cradle with Harry.
I think it's mostly down to hard-living and sun damage that accounts for her hard, beat-up looking skin, plus poor skincare and maybe residual adult acne, what have you. We know she does not have a light and skilful hand with the makeup. That much bronzer and spackle isn't good for the skin.
I don't think she looks like a potential teen at all, though sure she could have been cast in a high school show like 90210 but I don't think she looked unusually young (like Selena Gomez with her baby face).
That said, I am inclined to agree she's older than her stated age but I'm not ready to put money on it.
"Just for the record...Iguanas, though cool-looking, can be quite hateful creatures - and dangerous.
Handling them is not for the beginner."
Actually had one for my young children and it was very placid but probably born in captivity and therefore quite tame (and young). Your reference ("hateful creatures) make me think it/they must have a 'Meg' personality while the one we owned had a 'Kate' personality, lol. So those who shop for one better see what they are getting before they take it home (something Harry should have done with the creature he got).
When I read that headline, all I could think about was this stanza from Billy Joel's iconic song Piano Man (slightly altered for this situation)
Brilliant. Love it!! :)
Elle.. my intention was not to argue with you, but to add clarity and also push back against the idea that anyone has a reasonable expectation of privacy in public. As the B.C. Commissioner on private stated in the article posted earlier,
"Vancouver media lawyer Dan Burnett said the couple's expectation of privacy in Canada would depend on the individual situation if they decided to take the matter to court. He said claims by media that photos were taken in a public place may not be enough.
"It's very situational, and too simplistic to say 'It's a public place,' " he said. "Factors, such as young children and surreptitious photography, tend to suggest an expectation of privacy."
Burnett said court claims in B.C. for breach of privacy are based on whether reasonable expectations of privacy are violated."
Which circles back around to whether their expectation of privacy is reasonable.
Anyway... someone else posted this: https://twitter.com/therealjesal/status/1219669032992940035
I think they are playing both sides. They don't want anyone to take pictures, so they can merch them, but they need enough interest and attention to keep the money flowing. It's all an act.
Apparently I think she looks better than a lot of you do, lol!! Unlike many of you I genuinely find her quite pretty. I liked her a lot at first because she's American (like me) and I used to watch Suits, I thought she was great until she lost the plot.
As for her skin - don't forget she wore that straw fedora for years!! That's some UV protection...
He said it's whip tail could really mess a person up. Luci was just under a foot long with no tail.
Wednesday, Harry & Meghan, The Royal Crisis will be airing. I didn't catch it all, so don't know if will be on TMZ or a separate special.
I have a connection to Harvey and love him. He's whip smart and fair minded... and very, very short. I'd never wear heals around him and he would still have to crane his neck to look me in the eye.
Was it yet another foolish concession to the village idiot so that he and Meghan could get their ducks in a row to challenge the change in the court of public opinion; that by dragging out the process they know people's attention spans will forget this shift in distinction and the Sussexes can just continue to go on half-baked at will?
When was Mm born and when we’re her parents married?
I can clarify those dates for you all.
The California Marriage Index, of Thomas and Doria AND the California Birth Index are online at Ancestry.com. They may also be free to look at on familysearch.org, but I haven’t checked.
When you look at the birth index, you see a transcription extracted from her birth certificate. The index does not contain all the info in a b cert.
The California Marriage Index is also an index. You can see both the original index image as well as a transcription. You would have to pay to get a copy of the full license.
These are contemporaneous records created at the time of the event and are “official” records for the state of California.
Rachel Meagan Markle was born in LA and her mother’s maiden name was Ragland. MM was b 4 Aug 1981.
Thomas W Markle, 35, and Doria L Ragland, 23, married in Los Angeles on 23 Dec 1979.
I am seriously skeptical of the argument that the records have been altered. I have sent this to blogs on Tumbler and not a single one will publish the info. I assume because it doesn’t fit their conspiracy theories.
Thank you again, Nutty, and all of you Nutties. I have so much fun reading the comments here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7920981/Meghan-Markle-hated-minute-father-Thomas-Channel-5-TV-documentary.html
Did you miss the bit about Forensic Accountants, they need time and space to do their job and if you have no idea about what they do a certain search engine might help. The SussexRoyal Foundation is not registered yet, there have been objections lodged and the date has been moved to accommodate these objections. Legal and accounting practice takes time hence the vague Spring. It is to make sure the end is sure, swift with every i dotted and t crossed.
"Can anyone rationalize... what is the point of setting so vague a timeline of "spring" as the deadline for removing the HRH designation?????? Why did it not go into effect immediately (or even, say, until the end of January)?"
I guess because a situation like this is pretty much unprecedented and there are likely some legal or constitutional reasons why it can't just be changed overnight. Normally, a process as complex as two senior royals stepping down and moving abroad would take months to work out (I'm guessing - because as I say it's unprecedented) but because the idiot Harkles basically published an ultimatum to the palace (how monumentally stupid was that?) it had to be rushed through in a matter of days. So hardly surprising that there are still some issues to be worked out.
"Was it yet another foolish concession to the village idiot"
Another foolish concession? There were very few concessions to these two, certainly not foolish ones. They got almost none of what they so arrogantly demanded.
Can anyone rationalize... what is the point of setting so vague a timeline of "spring" as the deadline for removing the HRH designation?????? Why did it not go into effect immediately (or even, say, until the end of January)?
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I'm willing, for the Queen's sake, to attribute it to needing to solve very complex issues in a legal manner -- but personally, I think the Palace took a leaf from Markle's 11-month pregnancy, which could have stated a due date but deliberately left it vague in order for the surrogate to have some wiggle room, or to order the most realistic looking doll they could find.
"Can anyone rationalize... what is the point of setting so vague a timeline of "spring" as the deadline for removing the HRH designation?????? Why did it not go into effect immediately (or even, say, until the end of January)?"
Read somewhere that it's the end of a fiscal quarter. Royal engagements left on the calendar, money already expended for the fiscal quarter for those royal engagements.
Most interesting tidbit I've read in the past few days is the stirrings of calls to make the Duchy of Cornwall fully public or to have oversight in how the income is spent. It is set up to be a slush fund for the Prince of Wales, but the land is public land. The peasant are none to happy that Charles is funding the Suxxexes with income from publicly own land.
See, this is where I really have a problem with the British media. They want to suck off the Sussex tit so bad that now they have an article about what Phil THINKS Meghan will THINK about her dad’s interview.
They really need to just stop. But they can’t. The Sussex make money for them, which I believe in part is what Harry and Meghan have an issue with.
I agree. That was my first thought, actually. BRF throwing her nonsense back at her.
Admittedly, there are legal ramifications across multi-jurisdictional agencies and governments which need to be hammered out that are complex. But the BRF could have announced a firmer date, like 'by the end of April'. 'Spring' could be anywhere from March to the end of May. Kind of like Rachel's "pregnancy". Let her see how it feels to twist in the wind for a while.
None of the other royals make money from their official appearances. There's an agreement that the royals serve the Queen and the Queen serves the people. In exchange they live in lavish homes maintained by the taxpayers, they have their travel paid for by taxpayers, they receive allowances from income earned from public lands. Part of the exchange is that photographs of the royals are in the public domain for anyone to use and make money from. Catherine has released photographs she has personally taken and that are in the public domain, so anyone can use them and profit from them. Smeg wants to cut the public out of making money from photographs of her at public and royal events, while at the same time having the public fund her lifestyle. It's all about the money. She think she can have her cake and eat it too.
Admittedly, there are legal ramifications across multi-jurisdictional agencies and governments which need to be hammered out that are complex. But the BRF could have announced a firmer date, like 'by the end of April'. 'Spring' could be anywhere from March to the end of May. Kind of like Rachel's "pregnancy". Let her see how it feels to twist in the wind for a while.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
Plus, it gives the Queen time for the dust to settle -- if she did anything radical to them now, there would howls from all (12, LOL) of the Meghan fans. In the interim, my guess is TQ is going to restrict them even further. I hope so, anyway!
Submitted: Thomas film
-“You can understand why Sam/TomJr would be really resentful” of the love/$ lavished on Meghan and then she ghosts him. He actually admitted that Sam was the product of a brief affair and since the “other option” was not acceptable then, they married, had second child. He was working too much be around for them, they were not financially well off. When he remarried, the 2 kids came to live with him&Doria. Not blaming D, but obviously she didn’t give 2 hoots about them. With Meghan “I could finally afford to have a child”. Beyond the money it’s also about the attention.
-Thomas is a little narcissistic, but more of a “vulnerable narcissism”, not like Meghan’s extreme case. In NPD, parents will often make one child the “Golden Child”. I dread to think what might have happened if the three kids were close in age. A parent should at least try not to have favourites but Thomas never made any attempt. So to those who say: why don’t Sam and Tom look after their dad? Frankly because he never did much for them.
-One thing that no newspaper has talked about is the degree to which Tom/Sam/Tom were hounded after M&H appeared at Invictus. I firmly believe that a) they deserved legal & PR help from BRF and b) BRF had no idea Meghan could be so despicable to her own family. When he says “they owe me”, he’s not talking about money. He’s talking about protection from being depicted as the fat/white/slob and being jeered in the media when he buys a toilet at a hardware store that it’s his new “throne”. Tom, Tom and Sam were made out to be white trash. That’s so unfair. Whatever their lives, they were living quietly. Imagine Tom Jr having his alcoholism splashed across the world. Of course at some point, you give in and capitalize on it. I don’t blame them for that and at least he has the guts to OWN IT.
-Tinhat time: I really believe Meghan set him up with “Jeff” who proposed the pap shots to Tom. 1. She was desperate to be both: walk down the aisle alone and with Charles. 2. When a furious Tom called Jeff after the computer cafe video came out, Jeff’s response was: “Oh don’t worry, it will go away, I’m in trouble too.” This is of course nonsense. Nobody even knows who “Jeff” is. He’s probably retired by now on those photos. 3. At the time Sam was saying she had encouraged Tom. Maybe she did, but she didn’t propose it. Jeff appeared from nowhere. 4.Don’t underestimate the cruelty of narcissists even to their own children. Archie is in for a tough ride because Harry will not be able to protect him.
- I am almost certain that Meghan has not called/texted him once since the one time she told him she was dating Harry. He always referred to “Meghan and Harry” calling me and the subtext on the film said “Although Tom said they called him, it appeared it was all through text messages”. He also said, “I’m sure Meghan cried when I said I wasn’t coming”. Meaning: the poor deluded man likes to believe she cried, but she did not even pick up the phone.
-They interviewed Meg’s old drama teacher. It’s pretty obvious Meghan was given the best roles because Thomas did lights and scenery professionally. Her drama teacher said, I told Meghan acting is really simple. “Just listen to the other person and respond”. So now we know why Meghan is such an awful actress, narcissistic are incapable of really listening to others.
There’s a conflict going on within Tom. I think he is still holding back on the degree to which Meghan ghosted him. On one hand he’s very hurt but on the other, it’s too hurtful to admit completely and he’s still hoping. At the very beginning he says, this film is me being on the psychologist’s couch.
ps: Where was Meghan living right before college is a non-issue. She probably had a room with both parent’s and was seeing what she could get out out of each.
Yesssss, I saw on Skippy's blog that as of yesterday or the 21st, the Trademark window for objections has been extended. Usually this window is two months and it has just been extended as of two days ago.
That seems a very unusual step to me, I am very excited about this.
" Part of the exchange is that photographs of the royals are in the public domain for anyone to use and make money from. Catherine has released photographs she has personally taken and that are in the public domain, so anyone can use them and profit from them. Smeg wants to cut the public out of making money from photographs of her at public and royal events, while at the same time having the public fund her lifestyle."
Exactly!
This is also the rationale behind the 'royal rota' which the Harkles unilaterally declared they wanted out of. The aim is not to play favourites with individual publications, since this is not appropriate for the royals, but to give all the major newspapers a chance, and to have the photos distributed as widely as possible.
That's because royal appearances aren't supposed to be about the royals themseles, but the charity or organisation they are visiting. So when the Harkles insist that they will choose some minor boot-licking 'journalist' and only publish photos on their SM, they are doing the charities a disservice.
But this is what happens when you're a pair of self-absorbed idiots with no concept of public service.
Thanks for the video.
My understanding is the pap was waiting to snap Harry. He also stated M could have lowered her cap. The puzzling thing was her smiling directly into the camera.
@FairyCrocodile
The Sussexes have been knocked off the need by the Coronavirus.
We'll see how long that lasts as I agree they have a hate/love relationship with the press.
>>>>> Within hours of Prince Harry arriving in Canada to join his wife for the start of a new life away from royal duties, the couple issued a legal warning about media intrusion.
Pictures of Meghan walking her dogs while carrying her son Archie in a baby sling were published in newspapers and on websites. Lawyers said they were taken without her consent, by photographers hiding in bushes.
The couple say they want a different relationship with the media now they've stepped back from their life as senior royals. But have the rules changed? And what can they expect now that they've left the UK?
How much privacy can the couple expect?
Not much, according to Ingrid Seward, a royal biographer and editor of Majesty Magazine. She says she's surprised the couple weren't expecting the paparazzi to follow them to Canada.
"Of course the safest place for Harry and Meghan to be is in the UK," she told Radio 4's PM programme. "They haven't been papped once since their marriage, and if they have been, no pictures have been printed.
"Those rules don't apply in Canada. The paps can come from all over the world and lie in wait for them."
The couple are believed to be alarmed by press activity near their current base on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
Their lawyers say there have been attempts to photograph inside their home using long-range lenses and they accuse the paparazzi of being camped outside the property.
PR and media expert Rebecca May says that without the long-standing "gentleman's" agreement between the Palace and the UK media to avoid using paparazzi photos, Harry and Meghan "will have to navigate their way through this new world without that protection".
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It's going to be day after day of this nonsense now. Rachel was always entertaining to watch in her massive and constant faux pas, but it was within the framework (usually) of official events. Now she's in sole charge of her 'calendar', we are going to be seeing more and more of the papp nonsense and lawsuits and whinging in papers about how unfair everything is.
The fun part's over, guys. Now there's nothing left but worry for Archie, if he's a live baby with them and two seriously dispirited dogs.
Harry, the toerag has millions of dollars coming in even without touching his trust fund and he 'can't manage' to cover his own bodyguards and living expenses?
The response has to be, in the words of Bob the Builder, which is pitched to about Harry's level of understanding: Yes, you can!
It was the couple themselves (my money's on Rach, as ever) who 'outed' their current location to the press
If they truly want to be 'private', they need to go to a country that is remote and has only basic media infrastructure. Fiji? Solomon Islands? Local press corps would be very small and such a distant location would make it unappealing for other countries to send journalists there for the long term.
Of course, they wouldn't. If they really and truly craved privacy and a peaceful life, they would have gladly accepted the posting to Africa HM wanted to give them last year.
Rachel must be going crazy cooped up on the island with nobody to talk to besides Harry and the doll. Nowhere to get dressed up for so she can merch more than lululemon yoga pants. What will this pair 'do' all day, every day for the foreseeable future?
Will Rachel go berserk on Harry with an axe? It totally could happen.
And yes, they are all about money; I’m not disagreeing.
If we are to judge the BRF how they have responded to the Sussexes the last couple of years, I have very little faith any kind of ruthless decisive action is forthcoming. Time and again modus operandi has been the idiom "death of a thousand cuts," using time to their advantage and simply waiting out the opposition.
The thing is, Harry is not above lashing out and Meghan has never had Fs to give and the two have shown a willingness to wield heavy pr weights against the family, so they are unlikely to allow themselves to be ignored.
I think H+ M are also referring to things we don’t necessarily know about. But it goes back to is there a privacy standard, and what did they expect—- though it does seem the locals understand privacy and so I do think it is out of the ordinary for these things to happen.
I’m about do start driving for 4-5 hours so I can’t go grab them. I think I searched twitter for Harry Canada House I believe the date of the photos was 1/20/20. It’s clear they got in the boat in order to get photos of the house. (3 photos I think).
@animal lover yes, I do remember the photog saying he was waiting for Harry and didn’t he say something about once someone gets a pic of Harry there, that would be the end? Or am I dreaming that?
Reminds me of a comment by a sugar on the DM, that the royal family/UK just couldn't cope with Meghan being such a leader (paraphrasing). I replied that that that misunderstanding was the whole problem in a nutshell. Meghan was not there to LEAD. She was there to SUPPORT. There you have it.
"If we are to judge the BRF how they have responded to the Sussexes the last couple of years, I have very little faith any kind of ruthless decisive action is forthcoming."
They've taken away their use of HRH; said publicly that they are no longer representing the queen; rejected their 'have cake and eat it too' model and taken away all of Harry's miliary honours.
Realistically, how much more 'ruthless' and 'decise' were you expecting them to be?
" Part of the exchange is that photographs of the royals are in the public domain for anyone to use and make money from. Catherine has released photographs she has personally taken and that are in the public domain, so anyone can use them and profit from them. Smeg wants to cut the public out of making money from photographs of her at public and royal events, while at the same time having the public fund her lifestyle."
Also, I believe, complete control over her image. No unflattering shots. Those sweaty armpits would never be allowed in the Harkles brave new world.
What's hilarious is that they think if they sue enough people they will be able to have complete control. Does Smegs really think she is not going to be outed by one of these agencies? I am sure they are used to some degree of deniability by the celebs, but lawsuits may be another matter. Which is why they aren't going after the paps. They want the deep pockets of the tabloids. They can also sue several at a time. This may work once, but several attempts are going to eat up whatever reserves of goodwill the Harkles currently possess.
The dissonance between the two of them makes me think they have never had an honest discussion about what each is hoping to get out of this move.
I can't wait for the autobiographies post divorce!
Meghan will be itching to get to LA or at least Toronto asap, but for now, she'll be fine. She'll be on the phone chasing up 'donations' for her 'charity', desperately looking for any merching deals, networking with her media 'friends', 'curating' the IG page, angling for that Oscars invite..... she'll have plenty to keep her busy. This is her element. She's a hustler. It's what she does.
Harry though? In a country where he knows nothing and nobody other than his wife? He'll be lost. Yeah, he can play with the baby a bit but that soon gets dull for even the most devoted parent. He's no intellectual (I'm being kind) so it's not like he's finally going to get round to reading "War and Peace" in the original or anything like that. He's dumped everyone who ever cared about him on the other side of the world to live in a country where he has no connections. He'll be miserable soon, if he isn't already. But this is what he wanted.
No they don't. Certainly not her. She will never be seen in public in the UK again, is my bet.
"Therefore, I conclude they are still public figures, in public places get papped by paparazzi hired by M. Lawsuit FAIL!!"
You don't even have to be a 'public figure'. If someone takes a photo of me or you in public there's nothing I can do about it. Not that there'd be much point in doing so because I doubt the tabs would pay much for a photo of me!
"See, this is where I really have a problem with the British media. They want to suck off the Sussex tit so bad that now they have an article about what Phil THINKS Meghan will THINK about her dad’s interview.... The Sussex make money for them, which I believe in part is what Harry and Meghan have an issue with."
And conversely, the Sussex make money off the media exposure. Where would the Sussex be if they had no media exposure, no PR articles published at the behest of Meg. So I would say they suck at the tit of the media, as much as vice versa.
It reads: “Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's insistence that she is being hounded by paps in her Canadian hideaway looks a lot like her 2016 claim that she was being hounded by paps in the UK.”
The error is at the very end. From what I’ve read, Meghan was still living in TORONTO, not the UK when this claim was made. She did it because up until this time, only a few people knew they were dating. To move the relationship along quickly, she needed to be regarded as his steady girlfriend in an exclusive relationship with him, and not just someone he was sleeping with.
She cooked up the story about being hounded to the point where the photogs were even trespassing at her Toronto townhouse, so she prepared the statement for him to release, which he dutifully did.
And here we are today.
Below is a link to a Guardian(usually very supportive of the Harkles) article about the Harkles' possible commercial opportunities. The reports of random clickers onto the Harkle instagram immediately being logged as followers points to a carefully plotted bid to use SM for enrichment. The Guardian article lays it all out, (citing the Kardashians, etal. ),& shows how it's done.. This lends some credence to Skippy's & Harry Markle Blog's 'backers' theory, which I've always been very skeptical of. They might have 'backers', but the 'backers' aren't out to destroy the BRF, they just want to use the Harkles to make $$$. The BRF is what will make them rich. The lawyers, accountants, pr people, etc. who've been in the DM articles as Megs' enablers have been planning this with Megs for several years most likely.
The no 2nd baby meal ticket yet, & no Sussex Foundation registration yet are big hints that there are cracks in the scheme which are probably not making Megs happy.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/23/royals-for-rent-will-harry-and-meghan-become-the-worlds-biggest-influencers
@Nutty, hats off to your tactful & very professional remark about Charles & his Davos remarks. When I read them, my immediate reaction was 'That idiot! People like him shouldn't be allowed to reproduce!' Not very temperate, I admit. But really, did he think the only people who would hear about his embrace of Greta would be his fellow bigwigs at Davos? Can he not see the utter foolishness of someone whose family has one of the biggest carbon footprints on the planet preaching about 'the earth burning?' Climate change is a huge complex issue which requires better brains than Charles' & Greta's.
"When I read them, my immediate reaction was 'That idiot! People like him shouldn't be allowed to reproduce!"
Too bad Charles didn't think about the environmental effect of having too many children and evoked China's one baby policy, then we wouldn't have had Harry to read about. Let's just hope Meghan stops at one while married to 'H'.
Rachel is good at working the phones. I just wonder if anyone besides Oprah and Gayle will take her calls. She will get very restive in “We’ll have to get back to you” limbo.” This open ended “sometime in Spring”... which could be 4 months away..framework to hammer out final parameters for their post Royal life has hamstrung them effectively for the near future. Who will commit to a project with them if Harry could be recalled any time to England? Or if their residency status and right to work or collect monies is still up in air? If their security requirements make it impossible to dine in a restaurant, the liabilities to anyone hiring them for appearances or an ongoing project would be extreme. The Palace could sue for breach of contract. Then there’s all the litigation they are both already involved in.
I think the answer she is likely getting is We will have to wait til summer at earliest to ink any deals with you. We will call you.” She could wait by the phone indefinitely. Oprah expressed her 1000% support but said zero about actually working with them. They are a dead brand and everyone knows it.
Rachel will not prevail over Big O is the issue of control, either., Tach has come up against as big a Narc as herself. If she gets an opportunity with O. and pisses her off, the Harkles will really and truly be done.
Not to mention his personal extensive use of helicopters for short hops, and jets to go all over the world on his royal tours; and does he still have fresh organic Duchy produce flown (by jet if necessary) to WHEREVER he is, EVERY day?
The video is deceptively edited as PC had already greeted Pence. The actual greeting was tweeted out by Pence's team in response to accusation that PC blew VP off...which he did not.
I am certain that media who is celebrating a snub will not retract.
Such a sorry and peculiar saga! All these ideas and opinions trying to give an answer and make sense of all this that has been unfolding for the last couple of years have actually led to nothing concrete. We are nowhere near the truth because we ourselves cannot dig properly deep enough in this - seemingly - bottomless pit. What shady secrets are being hidden from our eyes? Is everything we hear and see down to weakness, depression, troubled personalities, narcissism, nasty traits and all that? The DM commenters are wondering why no-one is digging around M's mother. They say that she is afraid of her daughter. Obviously money has been paid.
Time will show.
Wow that will resonate with Americans of a certain age.in a downgrade way.
In 1972, Sen. George McGovern ran against Richard Nixon. McGovern's choice for vice president was Sen. Thomas Eagleton. During the campaign Eagleton said he had been hospitalized several times in secret, and beeb given electroshock treatments for depression, in the early 60s. McGovern said immediately that he supported Eagleton "1000%" but after 19 days during. "electroshock therapy for clinical depression during the 1960s. McGovern initially said he supported Eagleton "1000%" but after 19 days during which McGovern consulted confidentially with preeminent psychiatrists, including Eagleton's own doctors, w
and was told a recurrence of Eagleton's depression was possible and could endanger the country should Eagleton become president, McGovern asked Eagleton to withdraw, which he did. Coincidentally on the first day of the next month. All the political humorists and satirists joked about the countdown from 1000%--now it's 900%, now 750%, falling like the stock index. jokes like, one "senator" asked another for a political endorsement;the second one says, "I support you one thousand percent!" First one says, "oh you're voting against me then!" Of course I can't say if Oprah was thinking along these lines. Eagleton was admired for grace under fire and his admission went some small way to destigmatizing depression, and mental illness. Which, dragging us back to the modern day royals, reminds me at least how Will and Kate and Harry founded that charity Heads Up to work on destigmatizing mental illness. I guess Harry is keeping that patronage?
By "VP" I meant VICE PRESIDENT - NOT Vladimir Putin.
Prince Charles, Duke of Windsor, did NOT snub Mike Pence, Vice President of the United States
Yup. Nutty said a few blogs ago that they need a deal - something to show for their new-found 'freedom' - and they need it now. Their reputation has really taken a nose-dive in the past 2 weeks. Opinions like those discussed here used to be considered extreme, but now they're mainstream. More and more, only the fanatic sugars, who are beyond all logic, still take their side. We have the right to feel a wee bit smug!
As for their 'brand' legalities about the use of 'royal' aside, what do they really have to offer? They're just a self-absorbed couple with no particular talents holed up in a grace and favour home, living off his dad and still expecting money from hard-working taxpayers in a country they've basically given the finger to. Who would want to get out the chequebook to sign them up? Meghan and especially Harry are in for the shock of their lives.
Celebrities are only famous and trendsetters for those who look up at them. I don't even know the majority of names described as "celebrities" today. Royals are a bit like that. I can name most of UK royals but will not have a clue about royalty of Norway, Spain or Japan.
As long as we are not paying for HazMeg comfort and luxury I really don't care much. They can sell diamonds on QVC or anti-ageing make up. Megsy can go and play another role badly. Their tacky Sussex Royal is Elizabeth's and Charles's headache, it is the Crown's future endangered.
I would prefer constitutional monarchy to the republic because we were lucky with the Queen who appeared to be the much needed moral anchor for the UK. Now when she can't contain the damage caused by her grandson and son it appears the monarchy finally ran out of steam. May be Wills can remedy this, may be not.
Or perhaps I underestimate the behind and scene royal forces and I am up for a surprise later.
Thank you in advance for answering me.
Just click on your user name, then click 'edit my account'. Scroll down and you'll see where you can add a photo. You can either add one from the internet or use one of your own saved pictures.
"Thing is, that Meg started trashing her family right away as part of her 'narrative' as the eternal victim of injustice of everyone around her. It's not like her father started out mouthing off about her. First, her father was blindsided by the sudden press interest and wasn't given a warning that the press would start to swoop in on him and then he was being branded as a horrible father and a terrible role model. He had every right to defend himself the best he could and it is clear that she was egging on the narrative that she had come from rags to riches. It is also horrible how her entire family was left in the dust as Meg ran on to chase that ring and title. Then instead of just eating the dirt thrown at them, the family fought back and told the press their versions and gave Meg a piece of their minds. The BRF and Meg acted like the Markles had no right to fight back to protect their reputations. It's not something the BRF is used to, people fighting back publicly against their PR campaigns. Ever since Meg has been on the royal scene she has been trashing the reputations of a lot of people and it is clear that Meg's family don't view it as their duty to take abuse lying down. Meg made the horrible choice to ruthlessly cut out her father and it is clear that he really isn't that bad of a guy. So he lives modestly and likes junk food, who doesn't. It is also clear to me that the BRF isn't used to people who stand up for their reputations. The BRF is used to trashing their own aristocracy and getting away with it and it is clear that they would really prefer to end up being able to kick around whoever they want. I'm glad he is speaking up and Meg deserves to have dirt thrown back in her face."
Yooper Moderator of same blog said;
"Why does no one give Doria any flak for accepting a full makeover from Oprah or the clothes and other freebies? Not even Oprah does anything without some expectation of return. A wedding in invite perhaps? Or an article in her mag that I read after the wedding? "
royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,9422.2080.html
@CHARADE,
Thank you for your help.
Yooper Moderator of same blog said;
"Why does no one give Doria any flak for accepting a full makeover from Oprah or the clothes and other freebies? Not even Oprah does anything without some expectation of return. A wedding in invite perhaps? Or an article in her mag that I read after the wedding? "
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What I'd like to know is, why weren't any of Doria's side of the family invited to the wedding? From all accounts, they are quiet, modest, have never said much to the press. Makes me think the wedding invites were, in fact, a quid pro quo for favors in return. Disgusting.
"...how Will and Kate and Harry founded that charity Heads Up to work on destigmatizing mental illness. I guess Harry is keeping that patronage?"
Charity is Heads Together. I could visualize that pic of the three wearing the headbands but I 'misread' the name. Harry is going to need their help himself...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7920433/Unseen-note-reveals-home-office-gave-permission-Edward-VIIs-phone-tapped.html
Has anyone heard anything?
I also noticed they have removed quite a few comments on it as well.
I have selected a geisha because my name is Japanese. It means "Brightness; Light"
I'm just here to shine a light, everybody.
I agree that the BRF went along with trashing her family, which was just tacky (and Harry!). There are no saints in the Markle family or among the Raglands (perfect participants for the Jerry Springer show!) but they have a right to speak (free speech is one of the bedrocks of the American constitution ... my country has the most progressive constitution in the world in terms of human rights but even our free speech provisions are not as progressive as in the USA) and Meghan was reckless in how badly she treated them and hurt them. That Doria supported her in this (and happily took all the freebies) shows that she is not a nice person. None of them are nice people in terms of ethics and class.
As for making money ... Harry will get some symbolic position in some wildlife/conservation organisation that will allow him to travel and participate in stuff like fitting collars on rhinos, and he will do ceremonial and fund raising gigs for Invictus and Sentebale. Meghan will merch clothes, accessories, jewellery, perfume and exotic travel destinations (lots of heavily photoshopped photographs and videos) and get appearances on every talk show and at every woke gathering for whatever the trending issue is. Megsy loves merching and hustling so she will be happy, not a billionaire global uber famous and influential person, but happy. Harry will spend a lot of time in the bush or doing stuff like the Antarctica gig (maybe trekking to Everest base camp or a rafting trip down the Zambezi River) ... the more time they spend apart, the longer the marriage will survive. (Tarot readers say no, rumours of separation will start circulating in a few months, and that Harry is heading for utter misery while Megsy will do ok ... she is a survivor!)
Yep, in any case, he's thirty-five now, not twenty or twenty-five...that's 35 in human years! I hope he enjoyed his youth, it's slipping away....
January 23, 2020 at 11:27 PM
As for making money ... Harry will get some symbolic position in some wildlife/conservation organisation that will allow him to travel and participate in stuff like fitting collars on rhinos, and he will do ceremonial and fund raising gigs for Invictus and Sentebale. Meghan will merch clothes, accessories, jewellery, perfume and exotic travel destinations (lots of heavily photoshopped photographs and videos) and get appearances on every talk show and at every woke gathering for whatever the trending issue is. Megsy loves merching and hustling so she will be happy, not a billionaire global uber famous and influential person, but happy. Harry will spend a lot of time in the bush or doing stuff like the Antarctica gig (maybe trekking to Everest base camp or a rafting trip down the Zambezi River) ... the more time they spend apart, the longer the marriage will survive.
I think your last point is key for them...physical separation but keeping the marriage together so she has a pretense of rank and he can say he did not make a mistake marrying her. Probably a girlfriend along the way. Maybe Archie will be sent to the best boarding schools and college in US. Time away from troubled parents.
Future photo ops of Archie will tell the tale. If all we get is more limp doll shots that disappear entirely once Archie is a walking toddler . .any day now, but she's pretending he's only 8 months old--But that's a few months more and then baby slings are out. What is she gonna do then--we can be pretty d@mn sure she never had a kid. Particularly if she gets the go-head for TigTots and we still see no Archie. Let's just see what we do see of Master Archie going forward. Surely everyone will be expecting a first-birthday photo at the least.
The truth will out, eventually. Just ask Andrew.
I think you might be a tad over optimistic here.
Meghan can only make a living from merching if there are a lot of people buying what she's selling, literally. And it remains to be seen if, post-royal, that will be the case. Is a D list actress who was royal for under 2 years, and whose separation from said royals was carried out in a tawdry and tacky way, really such a draw? Sure, she has millions of IG followers but does that really translate into sales the way it does for your average Kardashian or Jenner? And given how often her hypocrisy has been called out - and that was with the protection of the royal aura - is a woman whose only asset is an increasingly tenuous link to hereditary rulers really a match with fashionable 'woke' causes?
"Megsy loves merching and hustling so she will be happy, not a billionaire global uber famous and influential person, but happy."
I'm not sure if someone like Meghan can ever truly be happy. She'll always be looking for the next big thing to latch onto.
Especially this...b
"They interviewed Meg’s old drama teacher. It’s pretty obvious Meghan was given the best roles because Thomas did lights and scenery professionally. Her drama teacher said, I told Meghan acting is really simple. “Just listen to the other person and respond”. So now we know why Meghan is such an awful actress, narcissistic are incapable of really listening to others."
I watched some clips from Suits, it did seem like she was just waiting for the actor speaking to shut up so she could deliver her lines...i thought she must be playing a really or impatient grouchy character.
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Quoting Sandie--
"Meghan will merch clothes, accessories, jewellery, perfume and exotic travel destinations (lots of heavily photoshopped photographs and videos) and get appearances on every talk show and at every woke gathering for whatever the trending issue is."
Meghan can only make a living from merching if there are a lot of people buying what she's selling, literally. And it remains to be seen if, post-royal, that will be the case.
Eh. QVC in the 1:30 am slot. Lonely insomniacs, grasping for a bit of fake glamour in the night. People who hold their nose and buy whatever, if in their price range and they can use it, dress it up or down or hide the provenance. Or laugh at it.
Thank you for asking.about my impaired 71 yo brother! I had a strange letter from him and know he has fallen in with a fundamentalist group of Christians (he met thru local convenience store clerk he used to frequent). They have a farm/ranch where he has been put to work and they 'lay hands on him' and he has missed 5-7 medical appts and not getting medical help. He is under their sway and has abandoned his Catholicism suddenly. I resent that this store clerk knows he has dementia and set up him living with these people and tells me I am horrid to look for him as he is doing 'good'. I would go to court to get help but this store clerk is good friends with the justice of the peace judge I ran against at last election. He has told people different stories and his letter was preaching to me when I have been going to Church all my life. He sounds fanatical and says he will be going to west Texas and will go "to all the churches and colleges there". Could not get 'Silver Alert ' issued due to lack of access to medical records because of HIPPA protection Dr. office would not cooperate.
Sorry, Nutties this was off-topic, but many have tried to help me with this heartbreaking situation of my missing brother who walked away from home.
Sorry to hear things continue to be so difficult.
CatEyes,
I'm really sad to read this. My thoughts and prayers as this unknown continues.
Thank you for your sympathy!! However he has dementia and there is a law in Texas that prevents the elderly to be 'exploited, abused and neglected'. Having a 71 yo man with dementia and serious untreated health conditions working for you to me sounds like exploitation, but AdultnProtective services don't/won't investigate and it is a known problem here. Besides the people will have some excuse that they are being kind, they are paying him, housing him, etc. and he won't cooperate with anything. He has an audience for his newfound fanatical beliefs that he is working miracles and so are they with 'laying on the hands' schtick. I can't sue civilly because the judge is my bitter enemy. I am sure that he will end up in a bad medical crisis or dead and I won't know about it until it is too late..
@Mimi
Thank you both!! @Mimi your little sad face emojis had me cry...how touching!
@Hikari, I was just thinking it was about time you had an icon, you've provided so much amusement for all of us. We should have an image to connect with you.
@Portcitygirl, on my screen & with my slightly bad eyes, your icon looked vaguely racy, but then I finally figured out that it's a picture of a pair of pink high heels with leopard printed soles. LOL.
People gradually putting up profile pictures must be an indication of some sort of sociological process. People who've studied psychology & sociology could probably tell me the term.
@Sandie, your description of a future for the Harkles sounds like a pretty nice one. I've known lots of couples whose marriage benefitted from long periods apart. Poor Archie, whatever really transpires. I feel that Megs' incessant need to be the center of attention, & her apparent maliciousness & competitiveness might create problems for them down the line, both in their own relationship, & their business dealings, but maybe they can hold it together. If the reports of shouts & throwing things in Australia are true, however, I just don't see them staying together very long. Liz & Dick couldn't do it, & they were really in love
with one another.
Quote from the Guardian article I linked to:
“I can see a lot of parties with Harry standing in the corner and people saying: ‘There’s the bloke who used to be in the royal family’,” says Bates.
Many others were quoted as thinking that Hegs & Megs would be monster influencers, among them, Lainey, that Canadian gossip personality. We shall see.
I doubt they do know what to do as my brother for one denies he has dementia and he lies and I am sure he has not given them my name. But because I just found out his mail has just stopped coming here, so I am going to write a letter and hopefully, it will get forwarded. Then I will write my name/address and a big message on a large envelope and hopefully, they will read it when it gets delivered. .I am sending it out tomorrow at the post office; they supposedly live in the next county over.
https://news.yahoo.com/harry-meghan-neighbors-paparazzi-204051422.html
Thank you very much for the prayers as I believe very strongly in their power!
Again sorry Nutties for being OT. But I just had to thank the kindness of fellow Nutties.
The Russian oligarch's pad reminds me of the Overlook Hotel in the Shining.
@Hikari: In the words of Jack Nicholson, “Heeeers Johnny!” You made me chuckle. Fun Fact: The building used for the Overlook Hotel in The Shining is Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood in Oregon. A fair number of movies gave been made there and around there. And lots of car commercials are filmed there. There’s a Chevy SUV commercial currently running on tv that was filmed there. My family lives on Mt. Hood.
Meghan and Harry connection: Meghan could rent out her nose as a ski jump on Mt. Hood. Have you ever looked at Meghan’s nose in profile? She could give the late Bob Hope competition for
steepest ski nose in show business. And she PAID for that nose. Bob got his as original equipment.
Ok. That was a stretch, but you have to work with what you’ve got.
>>>Let him make some money, the things she will do (and has done) are making her even richer and she has no qualms about that.>>>
Yes, I agree, I can't believe the utter hypocrisy of Meghan regarding making money on images. Poor Dad deserved to make some money on PR since her daughter does it in spades (even from the beginning she was merching).I wish Tom Sr and the rest of his family write a tell-all book now! They should call it 'The Family the Duchess claims she never had, an insider look at what she wants to hide!!' The spill their secrets going back to her birth year, why Dad raised her, why Doria was missing, her half-siblings doting on her, his struggle to work hard to give her so much, the truth about the soap protest letter, her being a spoiled child, her youthful fixation on Diana, the internship at the S. Am., her lack of ability to speak the languages she claims, nom SAG card, the details on her annulled1st marriage, etc...
M has a lot of work to do in rebuilding her reputation, but what the hell do I know.
I could see them writing a book and maybe getting special. Netflix has a show with Goop of all people so why not M.
It really bugged me that Harry as a man never insisted on meeting her father in person. Only weaklings exclusively communicate by text and phone and never meet/honour their fiancée's father; No. Respect. (or she had already lied Harry into hatred). It also became very clear that she didn't want Thomas walking her down the aisle- he didn't fit her glossy narrative.
I don't think TM is psychologically sophisticated so he reacted just like most people react to the behaviour of a narcissist- confusion, woundedness and damage. He remains confused and wounded not understanding why oh why she has dumped him for some transgression which, let's face it, is a minor one. He doesn't understand that his presence doesn't jive with her victimhood ('the family I never had') and the grand optics she demands.
I see TM as desperately trying to reach out to her given the opportunity no matter how low. Not the best choice but not evil. I attribute assertions of "owing" him to bitterness and helplessness and major hurt; I don't think he knows what else to do. It's also rather childish but if anyone has been done wrong/dirt it's Thomas Markle. She impugned her father's character, smeared his reputation, and trashed his love to the entire f'ing world- it can't get more damaging and humiliating than that.
It's Doria who has come out of this smelling like a rose. Doria, the mother she didn't live with during her formative years. Makes me go hmmm? Doria who keeps her mouth shut, is never questioned about why she didn't have custody. But she makes a good AA prop.
I do fault TM for providing the perfect environment for a blooming disordered narcissist- he spoiled her rotten. I mean ROTTEN. And then there was Hollywood.... But in the final analysis he gave her everything out of love and she discarded him, like a snotty used tissue .
I also don't find anything wrong with his family. They don't have 'mental issues' or are 'unstable'. They're people devastated and damaged by a disordered person who warned us and who are viewed with contempt for it. We are all so superior because they can't communicate as well as the rest of us and because they are low lifes compared to us, and because they have an inexpressible cacophony of feelings. Unlike the rest of us who are so 'stable' and so pure. They may be grasping but it doesn't make the truth of what they say any less a red flag.
Sure, she has millions of IG followers but does that really translate into sales the way it does for your average Kardashian or Jenner?
@Liver Bird: Meghan was found to be purchasing followers for The Tig, so it’s not at a far-fetched to assume that the Harkles or whomever is doing their PR at the moment (is it still Sunshine Sachs?)is buying followers by the hundreds of thousands.
I hope one of the media outlets that doesn’t have its nose up the backsides of the Sussexes would look into if they are buying followers. From what I understand, it’s not terribly difficult to determine if someone is buying followers.
Can you go visit him there? If so, at least you can keep an eye on him, and if his health deteriorates, maybe you could get a court order to be be declared his guardian or power of attorney and then be able to get medical attention for him. Not sure how those work if someone has diminished mental capacity with dementia.
If they are making him work in spite of health issues, you could report them for elder abuse. Many states have elder abuse laws and take these reports seriously.
You might want to consult an attorney who specializes in elder law or depending on your finances, your local Legal Aid Society.
Tell me where the Raglands were Jerry Springer type participants! Bullshit! They have released pictures that prove Meghan was a very present part of their family during Grandma Jenette's(sp) lifetime. There are receipts Doria was there for her mother with Meghan tagging along. The Ragland's have not said one negative word against Meg; they simply show she was a part of their lives! They are ghosted as are many other family members on both sides. They have NEVER trashed her in the media (whether she deserved it or not), they simply acknowledged that they had a close relationship with her BEFORE SUITS! Even her LONG TIME friends said once she booked "Suits" she couldn't even have a lunch date, due to her SUPPOSED celebrity status! Stop the Madness!
Believe me, Meghan will NOT be a good mother, on the contrary, speaking from experience. In my case, I was just a much stronger person than she was, fighting her at every waking moment and escaping the moment I had the chance and going no contact.
@A Narc’s Daughter...
You are spot on saying Meghan will not be a good mother. They’re terrible. For readers not familiar with what sort of mothers narcissistic women like Meghan are, search ”narcissistic mothers” and read what some of the general psychology sites and sites specifically about narcissistic personality disorder have to say. It’s sad and scary to know what likely likes ahead for Archie.
As I thought before the wedding, I knew any child of hers would be used as a prop to attempt to build the facade of a loving, nurturing, doting mother in public, which is what Meghan has done, in addition to using him as a prop to merch baby products.
But at home, behind closed doors, it’s often a bit of hell on earth. Harry is too much under her control right now to understand the emotional and psychological abuse his son will be subjected to, because he is probably experiencing the same treatment in the devaluation phase of a narcissistic relationship himself. But perhaps when Archie is a bit older and he sees how poorly she treats Archie, it will push him to take action to protect his son, while at the same time, he will also end up protecting himself..
I want to compliment you on your discussion of the issue of 'privacy' earlier in the tread. It was a very good legal response.
@KC Thank you for your kind words!!
@Happy Days
It would not be so bad if I knew where my brother was but the store clerk who arranged for him being in what someone said sounded 'cult-like' ( is a good friend of the local judge who I ran against) won't tell me where he is and taunted me saying "he is doing so well' "you're mean to put those (missing person) flyers ou"' and even worse. Yes, there is a law on the books about elder abuse/exploitation but APS won't enforce it (I have tried on another related issue 4 wks ago). I am not going to give up and will try to get a letter forwarded by the Post office (the PO won't release a new address due to antistalking laws). My brother is very intelligent/educated (and lies skillfully) so he can sound rational most of the time which makes it hard since I don't have the legal right to his medical records. I can kick myself for not anticipating something like this would happen (but then again it is so out of left field).
Thank you Nuties for not complaining for me discussing this.
torontopaper
@torontopaper1
Darling, congratulations peasant! You think you got what you wanted. But now you actually have to live together and you won't have any house keepers wo you could be unfaithful with.
She could give the late Bob Hope competition for
steepest ski nose in show business. And she PAID for that nose. Bob got his as original equipment.
And I thought *I* was the only one who mentally compared her nose to Bob Hope's! I've never mentioned it because, well, those of us who remember him are probably few. (I only remember him from old movies on TV, mind.)
Also, and again: Team Thomas. Team the rest of them too.
“the more time they spend apart, the longer the marriage will survive.”
One component you’re leaving out. Meghan’s narcissistic need for control, especially to control Harry. That’s the bedrock of their relationship. She keeps Harry on a short leash to control him, and control of the title she holds only due to their marital bond. If Harry is traveling around the world without her, she’ll likely cheat on him, and she’ll feel entitled to do it. After all she’s a narcissist.
But she likely won’t allow Harry to play the field and cheat on her. If he fell for another woman, especially one who loved him instead of his title and money, perhaps someone similar to Chelsy Davy, he’d dump Meghan and move on.
Of course, any Harkle divorce, no matter the stated reason, would be akin to WW III meets divorce court. It would make the Mills - McCartney divorce look like a church picnic.
Sometimes, people just suck.
Some people just have no compassion, no empathy and are entirely selfish.
This is not mental illness, these are just assholes. Sometimes people are just assholes and this does not make them mentally ill.
To me the issue of their future hinges on the one thing that is not static in this equation: Archie. At some point soon that "child" will have to walk. They have spammed the media with comments about how advanced he is because OF COURSE he is practically perfect in every way. I half expect they to start gushing about helping him fill out his college aps next week because his SAT scores are so amazing. And yet. This child will have to start walking at some point. She will no longer be able to hide the Archie doll crushed against her chest, his lifeless legs dangling in front of her. They have no choice to go further underground with him so that we NEVER see him again, screaming that they are terrified he will be kidnapped or some sort of narc nonsense. Like all Ms. Markle moves, she never think more than two steps ahead.
Who was Toronto Paper referring to? Harry, Markle, or both?
Markle tried trading up with Serena's husband at the Wimbledom match; he was having none of it.
As projects and deals that may come their way, it will be Meg who decides with probably little input or consideration of what Harry thinks. She is a megalomaniac and will continue to seek more and more control. I doubt her approach will work in the long term unless Harry loses the (alleged) one testicle he has and becomes completely *p-whipped (sorry folks you can interpret that as *pretty-whipped). I give it a year at the most, unless Harry has any intention of being his own man and showing some backbone to take ownership and create a positive [ath for the future. He needs to quit whining and she needs to quit playing PR games or the bug shots won't want to give them any projects. Oprah just wants an interview and some flash-in-pan PR (since they are royals for the moment). No one else is coming out singing their praises yet (just the sound of crickets).-
I give them 3-6 months to announce a significant project, not some stupid two-bit voice-over work for Meg. I hope the Queen steps up and makes a decisive decision on the agreements by Spring.
Thank you! While it's wonderful people are becoming more aware of psychiatric conditions as they become more mainstream, there's a danger of excusing bad behaviour on mental illness.
Also, labelling an a-hole (especially a public figure that is not very well-liked, and rightly so) this or that personality disorder further stigmatises (indirectly) those with diagnosed disorders.
You know how these things work. Everything's a cycle.
I expect that it will become a disability that employers must accommodate in the workplace.
True the ADA has certain protections for those with a disability but there are limitations. An employer (I believe it has to be 25+ employees) must comply with the ADA but if a disabled person asks for an accommodation, the employer only has to agree to a "reasonable accommodation". For example, if an employee is depressed and does not feel like getting out of the house he may ask to 'telecommute' but the employer can say 'No' because it is not reasonable according the the particular situation perhaps. Also, the employee does not have to divulge they have a disability to the employer i begin with.
But then again, Ashleigh is VERY pretty and MM probably didn't want one of her family members getting any attention at her wedding. Photo of Asleigh: (scroll way down to see her) - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/6298566/meghan-markle-family/
I remember it was mentioned in the tabloids at the time that the Harkles were leaving out/not inviting some of Harry's extended cousins - ones who were usually invited to everything else. These people were surprised at the lack of invites. There was enough room for them. It was theorized around the net at the time that she didn't want these folks there as they were young and attractive - as in Lady Amelia Windsor.
I could also not understand why Doria was not allowed a family member or 2 to accompany her to the wedding. Perhaps MM has much to hide and did not want any of her family members speaking to the Windsors, aristos and celebs innocently revealing anything that was not on "brand".
In general I remember feeling bad for her family during the weeks before the wedding. I think many of them thought they would be invited. Her sister and brother didn't start acting out until after it became clear they had been left out and MM had actually told her lawyer she "did not know these people".
I can see Markle being the jealous and selfish type that would not want to see anyone else (ordinary people) get media attention or a boost in profile on the back of MM's fame.
Hipsters of the future marketing their NPD/xPD as a "quirk".
Save humanity!!
SwampWoman said...
I expect that it will become a disability that employers must accommodate in the workplace.
NOOOOOOO ACTUALLY THAT'S EVEN WORSE 😭😭😭😭😭😭
It is neither stunning or brave.
Save humanity.
I’m so sorry to hear about your brother. Hope his situation and safety can resolved quickly, for both of your sakes. Keeping you both in our prayers.
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https://www.ettv.to/torrent/784052/thomas-markle-my-story-2020-hdtv-x264-linkle-tgx
You need to put the u torrent program on your Windows computer to download it. https://www.utorrent.com/downloads/win
OR
You can can install "u-torrent web" which is more simply done. This works with Apple, android etc.
I have seen half of it. It well done, professionally done with old photos and videos Thomas has preserved. This Documentary was filmed in fall 2019. Then had to be edited, post production too. It is NOT Thomas just talking to an interviewer. Also photos from Thomas growing up and his family.
It is better than I thought it would be.
Sir Patrick Stewart has (jokingly?)offered a role in his new TV series. He also stated that he was proud of the couple. Proud of what exactly, I'm not sure.
Another supporter it seems. I wonder if he remembers Olivia Coleman's support during her promotional interviews for the Crown? Not sure if that worked out well for her.
If this is accurate, this could be a huge roadblock for Meghan’s worldwide takeover plans.
From the Don’t-count-your-trademarks-before-they-hatch department:
From EXPRESS
By Clive Hammond
Headline:
Royal humiliation: Sussex Royal trademark blocked in horror blow to Meghan and Harry
Subhead:
MEGHAN MARKLE and Prince Harry's "independent" living dream was dealt a massive blow after their plans to trademark the Sussex Royal brand was blocked.
For some reason I had MM pegged in numerous ways right from day one, and I just knew she would not have anyone as her MOH as it would mean she would be sharing the "stage" with another attractive female. And that female would then get a boost in the media on the back of Meghan's "fame" - which is not allowed in her book. She doesn't want anyone else to get the spotlight especially when that spotlight bounces off MM herself. (I hope I'm making sense here).
Sure enough, MM had children only as her attendants and it was somewhat chaotic. One of her paid employees had to hand her bouquet over and poor Kate had to assume some of the work of a MOA - without any of the honor and while trying to stay out of sight.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10809423/harry-meghan-trademark-blocked-doctor/
Regarding your comment "PC and his staff had to intervene and literally work day and night to save face for the RF, while all this was going on MM was sending e-mails to the staff telling them that her parents were all organised, everything had been sorted out, when she had done nothing because she wanted the optics of the future King, not her somewhat ordinary father. By the time the RF found out about the lies, there was no time to organise TM as he had already done his pap stunt."
The issue of Thomas Markle has been one of the issues where I go “tin hat” on this whole saga. I have never believed MM ever intended to include TM in the wedding. I agree with you that she wanted the optics - first of her initially walking down the aisle (and up the church steps) by herself and then to have Charles walk her the rest of the way.
People say "but his name was on the program"..... Whatever. Just gives her plausible deniability. As others have mentioned, it’s notable that H never met TM in person. It’s clear from MM Instagram up even through late 2016 that she had been historically close with TM. There is absolutely no reason H/M could not have visited him or have him come to London between July 2016 and late April 2018 when the photos of TM were published. Rhetorical question – why doesn’t the general public question this? It’s a complete red flag and it’s one of the reasons for my doubt about this. Perhaps her father did not provide the image she wanted to project to the royal family / the entire world? Sad.
MM appears to have garnered much public sympathy from the wedding situation (and still does unfortunately every time TM speaks out) and it makes me “ragey.” Who knows why I even care. But it’s hard not to empathize with TM who clearly worshipped the ground his daughter walked on and was then likely gaslighted/gaslit by her followed by complete rejection.
Yet, how could this not possibly be a crazy theory? Apart from TM selling the photos and creating a justification for MM to be angry/embarrassed along with TM’s subsequent medical issues, how could she have avoided having him walk her down the aisle?
@gloriosa Please provide more commentary – don’t wait for another day. Would love to hear more about this specific issue and your other thoughts.
@nutty – thanks for providing this space - there is no one in my real life who gives two sh*ts about these people.
Aside from joining the group yourself, it sounds like you may have to try to wait it out for a bit. I will keep you both in my prayers.
Have you thought about going to local tv or the newspaper with your story?
I will look into adding an image, but I will have to look through this thread for the instructions someone posted about how to do it. Thanks!
Thanks to the Nutties who informed me that the Prince Charles/Pence snub was "fake news." I came on here to rail about it, only to discover that there was no snub after all.
It will be interesting to see if the Sussexes (particularly Meg) try to get involved in the upcoming US presidential elections. Bernie Sanders is leading in Iowa and New Hampshire, and it would be quite entertaining to see a Duchess endorse a Socialist.
I'm sure the Royal Family would tell her to keep out of it, but when has she ever listened to them? And she does love to "use her voice."
Losing the title
The remarkable similarities between the queen and Alex Ferguson
Two innovative managers who are willing to take tough decisions
Britain
Jan 25th 2020 edition
The parallels between a royal family and a football squad are not exact—footballers tend to be more disciplined and better trained than royals—but monarchs and football managers are both in charge of small groups of unusual individuals who are constantly in the public eye. Missteps by one mean disaster for all. So it is not surprising that similarities are emerging between the queen and English football’s most successful manager, Manchester United’s Sir Alex Ferguson.
Both royal and football squads have to be refreshed to keep the fans happy, and Ferguson and Windsor have both shown the ability to nurture young talent to maturity (David Beckham and Ryan Giggs; William and Harry) and to bring in outsiders (Wayne Rooney and Eric Cantona; Kate and Meghan). But new hires do not always work out, and great managers have to be willing to sacrifice talented individuals in the interests of the team. Just as Ferguson sacked Beckham when his ego and his endorsements got in the way of his football, so the queen has dealt ruthlessly with Harry and Meghan. They wanted to be able to stay half in the family, doing some royal work while exploiting their titles for their private interest; and, as the most popular of the royals, they might reasonably have expected that Windsor would accede to their demands. Instead, they have been put on the transfer list, and will lose their royal titles. Like Beckham, they will be relegated to North America.
Neither Windsor nor Ferguson have tolerated incompetence. Just as Massimo Taibi, an Italian goalkeeper, was out in less than a year after a series of gaffes, so Prince Andrew was dropped from the royal squad after his disastrous interview on his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, a sex abuser. The palace’s announcement that he would be withdrawing from royal duties is more lenient than the treatment that might have been meted out in previous ages, when royals lost their heads rather than their jobs. Still, firing one’s favourite son shows a certain steeliness.
Although Windsor, with 68 years in the job, has surpassed Ferguson, his 27 in post made him the longest-serving manager at the top of British football. Both managers’ long reigns have conferred a degree of stability from which their organisations have benefited. Ferguson’s many years in power enabled him to assert an iron grip, since there was no hope of unhappy players ousting him; Windsor’s long stint in the job—she has taken the titles of Britain’s longest-ever reigning monarch, longest-lived British monarch and longest-reigning queen of all time—enabled her to ease her country through a long period of relative decline.
Monarchies, like football clubs, outlive their incumbents. Since Ferguson stepped down, United have struggled. Manager after manager has failed in his shadow. Windsor’s many fans must hope the similarities do not extend that far.
It reads: “Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's insistence that she is being hounded by paps in her Canadian hideaway looks a lot like her 2016 claim that she was being hounded by paps in the UK.”
The error is at the very end. From what I’ve read, Meghan was still living in TORONTO, not the UK when this claim was made. She did it because up until this time, only a few people knew they were dating. To move the relationship along quickly, she needed to be regarded as his steady girlfriend in an exclusive relationship with him, and not just someone he was sleeping with.
She cooked up the story about being hounded to the point where the photogs were even trespassing at her Toronto townhouse, so she prepared the statement for him to release, which he dutifully did.
And here we are today!
They also call the Sussexes "the most popular of the royals" which is not really true, although Harry was once the most popular individual.
I once dated a man who worked for The Economist - one of those fellows who you wouldn't call good-looking if you just saw his photo, but was incredibly attractive in real life because he had so much charisma - and he told me that the magazine was a little bit like a sausage factory.
"Great-looking results, but you really don't want to know how the sausage is made."
There's a name for this phenomenon - can't remember what it is - that when you're calling out someone else's error (in my case The Economist) you're likely to be caught making one yourself! Certainly true in this case.
Fun short piece from The Economist about the Sussex departure:
@Nutty: The Twitter account Thislittlepetal, which all but screams out that it’s Meghan, regularly posts leftist articles from The Economist between tweets defending the Sussexes. I wonder if she note this article in a tweet.
The Economist is commonly read by people who want to seem smarter than they actually are.
I wouldn't call The Economist leftist - they are very pro-business - but I would certainly call them globalist. I stopped reading them because I thought their immigration coverage was so stupid. According to them, anyone who wants to live in a certain place has the right to live in that place, and the people who already live there will just have to get used to it. As an "immigrant" myself - a person who grew up in one place and lives in another - I think that's balderdash.
Especially loved waking up this morning to find no wall to wall coverage of a certain couple in the newspapers, nor breakfast TV talking about them. I don’t know about anyone else, but I think I’ve finally suffered from over exposure. Not sure how long this welcome no news (if only it was real) blackout will last.
I saw the headline about the @sussexroyal being blocked, but it’s odd it’s an Australian Dr, no details have been given other than that. It is a spanner in the works though. Wonder if it was independently done or they’ve been put up to it by other forces slightly further a field.