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The Sussex Privacy Tour Continues

Apparently Prince Harry will appear on the BBC's The One Show tonight in a filmed segment, talking to the families of World War II survivors who suffered burns in battle. (You'll be able to see it here shortly after broadcast, which begins at 1900 British time, or 2100 Eastern European Time, which is the time on this blog).

He's a little late for VE Day, but better late than never, I suppose. 

The suspense is terrific. Will he be filming from his laundry room again? Or will he sit in the beige chair beside the generic houseplant?

Meanwhile, Lifetime has announced its third Harry & Meghan movie, tenatively titled "Harry and Meghan: Escaping the Palace."

Which one are you looking forward to most?

Comments

abbyh said…

The talk probably as I really doubt I would learn something which was real. How many versions of fluff, fluff and more fluff can they really pull off and get viewers?
KCM1212 said…
It's funny (not) how when Rache has a TV appearance, ie. Her Disney, pre-recorded spot, we suffer through teasers, announcements and DAYS of hype.

When Harry does a segment, it's announced the day of the appearance?

I wonder who is in charge of the PR decisions there?

And Harry isn't going to put up with that nonsense forever (or are those boobs really magic?). His ego is as large as here even if he is playing the submissive right now. Presumably to get to the goodies. However one defines goodies.
lucy said…
aww thanks for link nutty but it says I must have some sort of license to view . I will most certainly catch replay somewhere. even so it feels like a hard watch Harry no longer seems genuine but I hope for success

looking forward to comments and for the record not watching their lifetime time show nor did I view previous two
Fairy Crocodile said…
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Maneki Neko said…
Not sure abt Harry's appearance on TV tonight, there's a coronavirus special with Boris Johnson 7-8pm instead of The One Show at 7 so I think we'll have to wait until some other time.

Just seen now, 'Megxit the movie!' in the DM: Lifetime announces new film that will chronicle Prince Harry and Meghan's 'controversial conscious uncoupling from the crown' after the birth of their son Archie.

Tentatively titled Harry & Meghan: Escaping the Palace, the fictional account will cover the events surrounding their decision to step down as senior royals
The TV movie will detail 'the struggles of the new parents and unique challenges of being part of the royal family' that led them to give up their royal ties


No casting has been announced, but surely this is golden opportunity for our thespian to play herself, as I 'predicted' in another post?

So a book is not enough? Hopefully, this might never get off the ground.
Maneki Neko said…
*a* golden opportunity
lucy said…
why do this and not say word one on VE day?

drugs. that is only explanation Harry couldn't pull it together to send out a message. at this point anyone that puts him up is just enabling him. he needs serious help. maybe he fled UK after failed intervention. who knows but I hope Charles is writing the check directly to his security or whatever he feels obligated to pay for
Maneki Neko said…
Sorry, I checked and The One Show was moved to BBC2 - silly me. Apologies.

Have watched it on iPlayer and he really didn't say very much apart from 'that's incredibly impressive, that's incredibly uplifting'. Same old dreary decor with the wooden cabinet on the right. He only talked for a couple of minutes in total - can't have his privacy invaded for too long.
Fairy Crocodile said…
So, as predicted, he is falling back into what he knows - appearances that show "care".

Why on Earth he couldn't do the very same things staying as royal is beyond comprehension. It would have had a lot more weight then.

Desperately trying to be relevant via clinging to subjects most people would view as worthy.

I begin to wonder if somebody in the RF is behind this rehabilitation effort 2.0. If so, this is odd. Harry left the country and betrayed his military patronages. No way to escape this.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Maneki Neko

You are brave. You can tolerate him.

I cringe every time I hear his voice. Reminds me too much about the awful "interview" with Russian pranksters.
IEschew said…
- On the Lifetime movie and everything else with this pair: How bloody exhausting can one human be? She is nothing if not persistent. What a source of pride, to be one who pushes and blusters one’s way through life.

She will not stop until she thinks her side of the story had been told. And “heard.” And “appreciated.”

She has no sense of timing or awareness whatsoever. Just a sense of entitlement and a requirement to get the final word. I am trying to think of another person so detestable who isn’t/wasn’t overtly evil.

- On Piers (someone asked about that in the other thread): No idea what’s up with that, although if he is looking to advance himself politically or otherwise, and in this time of global crisis, he probably needs to soften his messaging on the irrelevant Harkles. I dearly wish he wouldn’t.
Maneki Neko said…
@Fairy Crocodile

It was very short, a couple of minutes!! Nothing of substance.
As you said, Why on Earth he couldn't do the very same things staying as royal is beyond comprehension - indeed. Waste of time.
Unknown said…
Again, what is with Harry clawing back into the British limelight?
Why is Harry doing The One Show over 3 days late?! It looks even worse, maybe he had a smidgen of remorse, maybe part wanting to come across as more impactful (Megsy fav word?!) than his family?

I’m looking forward to complete silence from these two! I’m not watching the One Show, nor interested in any Lifetime film
giving a completely false narrative about them etc. Silence is golden......okay too much wishful thinking on my part.
Anonymous said…
I think I’ll skip the propaganda films and wait for the movie based on Lady Colin Campbell’s book. That should be a barn burner.
Sarah said…
All this constant need to be in the press is foolish. If they had stayed quiet during this time there may have been interest in some kind of interview or special on their life after leaving the royal family. At this point, anyone who cares knows what they’re up to. There’s no mystery and I can’t imagine there’s any interest.
HappyDays said…
I am looking forward to finishing the laundry I didn’t through during the weekend.
jessica said…
It’s clear that almost everything we are seeing and learning was pre-recorded And planned, from the PR releases to the closet interviews and videos, to even Archies birthday video opp that was all about Meghan. Archie looks to be several months older, and this aligns with Harry’s accidental slip that he was a few weeks old when they announced his birth the week before during his stables interview. So yes, Archie is older, speaking, massive in size and loss of baby chub, full mouth of teeth, and reading along. He’s definitely been walking for a while. Looks like it was a shotgun wedding, which would make a lot more sense for the fact that it was rushed and not a typical year out.

Besides that discrepancy, everything we are seeing was preplanned during Canada and organized with a PR company. They are paying somewhere in the region of at least 50k per month alone on this PR; but for the long term strategy and placements probably a lot more. I’d estimate around 80k. Someone close to me works in that business and I’ve seen all sorts of proposals, and all sorts of metrics. What they are paying for is premium distribution. Any Pr co would love to have this account, which is why it isn’t more.

Harry doing random special human interest videos was their ‘in’ with the RF. To stay connected and do the Queens work. This is why we aren’t seeing days of promotion for his slots. They are irrelevant, but pre-agreed.


Invictus is run by a management group and is a fully fledged small business. Harry is just the figurehead but does not involve himself in any of the operations. I know their previous CEO.

HappyDays said…
Hey Nutty, What happened to your post and the comments about the Harkles couch surging at Tyler Perry’s house? I don’t see it in the past posts.
xxxxx said…
They got no LA connections. No solid ones anyway, that will translate into cash in the near future. What is all this recent reaching out to UK causes via remote control? Very remote since they live in West Coast America now.

I say M/H are hedging their bets. It might be H alone. Trying to get back in the good graces of Queenie and the Royal Family, so that H or both can retreat back to the old sod. If, when they go down in flames in LA.

To repeat--- Might be Harry alone or both. Note they are both dressed shabbily with minimalist videos. Letting Charles know they are poor and could use more Duchy money. Can you believe Megsy was once swanning about the UK in a brand new $750,000 wardrobe including jewelry? They can sell that off on ebay to pay Tyler Perry, but he's letting them slide on rent.
KCM1212 said…
The dismal pair has learned nothing. Hypocrisy, condescension, self -righteous lecturing and talking too damn much are what irritated the British public to the point the Harkles can't read their own coverage for the unexpurgated comments.

And they have simply started the whole silly cycle again in the USA. Will they eventually have to colonize Mars?

Who wants to start a pool on how many times Harry says "Amaaaaazing" during the spot?
Himmy said…
why does BBC give the dimwit a platform to toss the word salad prepared by MeGain? This is an insult to the families of those survivors.

I am wondering who arranged this TV appearance. Do Harkles want to rejoin the BFF and sponge off the British tax payers again?
499lake said…
As some have commented, Diana's life became disorganized and eventually spun out of control without the support she enjoyed while still married to Charles. Is there any possibility that BFR is letting Harry's life spin out of control in much the same way?
Diana's life was pretty cringe-worthy towards the end of her life. Merchie in diapers and couch surfing feel to be much in the same manner.
Who and why is Charles allowing this to happen? Do you feel it is an intentional strategy on the BFR's part?
(I am an American, so please forgive me if my comments seem naive).
I have no interest in a Lifetime movie about The Harkles, and even less interest in what Harry has to say about anything. He's shown just how disinterested he is in anything British, so what's the point? It's just a shameful grab for more PR.

Oprah is reporting on the DM that she has cancelled all events for the remainder of 2020, and is self-isolating. She is worried that her dog may give her COVID, so she has banished the poor pooch to a quarantine, too. What an idiot. The comments in the DM are scathing, and many mention her closeness to The Harkles and Weinstein, and her arranging for Tyler Perry to let The Harkles squat at his house.

Her announcement comes just as HMTQ has said she she will be not doing any functions for the rest of the year, and maybe even longer. So Queen Oprah needs to quarantine, too? Of course there' s always a caveat. Oprah says that she "may peek out sometime in the fall"? A teaser, Oprah? Nobody cares, dear.

Her move to help MM has put her in a really bad light, and I think she is hiding from the backlash, the coward.

Fairy Crocodile said…
@499lake

Your comments are far from naive.

Nobody outside of the RF knows for sure what is going on. I suspect a lot of it is the result of Harry's stubbornness and poor judgement he seems to have inherited from his mother.

The one thing that has become crystal clear recently - real Harry has nothing to do with cool, down to earth caring chap we saw before. We can reasonably expect the real Harry to show more and more in action as his royal PR mask slips further away.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@JocelynsBellinies

Not that I am interested in Oprah but do you think she may be using self-isolation excuse to do some sort of rehab or treatment?

When she fall on stage recently it looked she wasn't OK at all.
Hazura Jane said…
I wonder if Price Harry has discovered the recreational use weed dispensaries yet. lol.
Glow W said…
Well, the are definitely at Perry’s House as they just put tacky screens up. Apparently the house is right next to hiking trails that just opened.

Fairy croc, Oprah just walked 2.6 miles with family members and steadman to Mark the guy who was shot’s birthday.
If Oprah needed to do physical rehab for an injury during her fall, she'd tell the world all about it and just how you can do it too, to "live your best life." Besides, she just walked 2.5 miles the other day.

No, I think many people have turned against her by getting so close to MM and Doria, and her getting in the middle of finding The Harkles a place to squat didn't help her at all. It backfired on her, and I think shes hiding from the backlash. Her friendship with Weinstein doesn't help her fake woke, do-gooder image, either. All her talk about love and goodness is just an act.

When I say she's isolated her beloved pet, it means that she's locked the dog away from all people, including herself. That poor dog is living all alone, wondering what she did to be punished. The poor animal needs love and attention, not isolation. The dog is not ill. Oprah is not ill. Oprah just goes overboard on things like this, making her look like such a fool.

Also, billionaire Oprah just made a huge mistake by discussing how other people may be suffering through this crisis. How tone-deaf can you get, basically admitting that it is the little people who don't count enough in her life to take an interest in them. Her wording is shameful.

Now the Harkles have erected huge screens around Tyler Perry's house so that people can't look in. Didn't they put up screening at the Canada mansion right before they moved to the US? This is not looking good for them. The neighbors are upset. Are they planning another move to squat at somebody else's mansion- if they can find a fool who will let them in.

Glow W said…
hazura Jane they deliver so probably. I would.
So because screens are now being erected around Tyler’s house, this is now considered bona fide proof the Duo are actually staying there? Well, it could also be just spin to bolster the story and give it some back-up.

I’m too sceptical, and I’m pretty much past believing anything about these two now.
Aquagirl said…
Jessica said: ‘Looks like it was a shotgun wedding.’ I don’t see how that could possibly be the case, given that the engagement was announced in November and they got married in May. Are you saying that she was more than six months pregnant at her wedding and gave birth in late summer? That’s simply not possible given the number of appearances she did during that time.

I know that I’m in the minority, but I believe that this child was hired or borrowed. And for whatever reason, she couldn’t find a child who could ‘pass’ for being ‘Archie’ who was the correct age. She also doesn’t seem to know much about babies and development, so probably doesn’t know how much difference a few months can make when a child is that young.

If there was a surrogate involved, they probably waited to announce the fakenancy until they knew that the pregnancy was viable. Since this is usually after the first trimester, the child could be about 15-16 months as opposed to one year.
Aquagirl said…
Agreed @Raspberry Ruffle. The screens don’t prove anything.
Jenx said…
@raspberry ruffle @aquagirl. Agreed. Screens. Smoke screens.
CookieShark said…
A Lifetime movie is exactly what she was doing before all of this mess. Now, instead of being famous, she's infamous. No one can admire her for "running from the crown" because you'd have to ignore the huge fairytale wedding, the tours, the clothes, the expensive renovations...every event was completely FUBAR though. They are like the trainwreck relatives you avoid getting cornered by during the holidays because they're exhausting.

If her ultimate goal was to do Lifetime movies, merch, and pap strolls, she could have done all of that. Heck Lifetime makes a new movie it seems every day for the whole month of December that star 2 or 3 actresses, and she could easily have done those.

I think she did actually really miss the attention and red carpets that came with Suits. She did not want to go to boring nursing homes and she definitely didn't want to watch the Cambridges be top banana.
just sayin' said…
No doubt Oprah plans to peek out in the Fall to lend her support in the Presidential election.
just sayin' said…
H & M have gone beyond over saturation, in my opinion. I can’t imagine anything they could say or do at this point that would interest me.
jessica said…
Aquagirl : admitted I haven’t focused too much on what’s what with Archie, but I meant in terms of speeding up the date of the wedding.

I love love love that Andy Cohen spoke to the daily mail and said the one question he would ask Meghan is if she knew she was going to leave the Firm, pre-wedding.

It is such an important and perfect journalism question. It’s clear to him she didn’t give it enough time, if she planned to actually stay. I was surprised that he focused on that within this whole saga, but it would clear up her intent whatever she replies.
Just harking back to previous blog (It's accessible through `archive);

MM is a princess by marriage, not by birth right. She would have been Princess Henry had H not been made a Duke. She is not Princess Meghan.

Di was a princess by marriage, not by birth right. She should have been called Princess Charles but the press relentlessly called her Princess Di(ana) and it stuck so firmly that I think the point wasn't pushed. She was HRH The Princess of Wales, after divorce she was Princess of Wales. Their marriage was 13 years after the grand Investiture of Charles as Prince of Wales at Caernarvon Castle. There was no doubt that the Wales title was, first and foremost, his title, from the age of 20.
Sharon said…
Hi Nutty and Nutties,

I've fallen a bit behind with all the appearances and movies and books the duo are flooding the airwaves with like carpet-bombing runs. However, I noticed a couple of days ago, on the DM, a very brief announcement that Lady Colin Campbell is in process of writing an expose book about the Hollywood Harkles, and she means to really expose them once and for all.

Was this covered already by other nutties? It made me wonder whether the Markle family might be saving their fire for this book. Why else so quiet? I, for one, can't wait to read it. Lady Colin is a laugh riot and writes pretty well. Tantalizing...
Sharon said…
Sharon above aka Poodle12, sorry.
Raspberry Ruffle said...
@Portcitygirl,

"Great comment and thanks for the Brit bit. The horrible duo have helped create a divisive and an ugly and false narrative within and about Britain."

I missed the JCMH broadcast, BBC4 was more interesting, especially Andrew Marr on 20th Century British History – but I started thinking about the ` ugly and false narrative within and about Britain’

Marr was dealing with the immediate aftermath of WWII, and how the US government treated Britain, over the money and materiel we had needed from them to defeat the Nazis.

- How Maynard Keynes gave his all to get a fair deal from the Federal Reserve and failed.

- How we were on the brink of Famine (a far worse situation that I had ever been aware of from my reading - my only recollection of food at that time was of being given mashed potato & carrot with gravy, as I sat in my high chair).

A deal was eventually struck on very unfavourable terms to us, the general view in the US Government of the time being that we, too, were Imperialists, after all... and shouldn't be supported in our desperate need, even though at the time we were also trying to save Europe from starvation and that we had been allies in the fight against tyranny.

We eventually received a loan but on very tough terms:for years, much of our industrial output had to be exported for dollars to pay the US; rationing had to continue until 1954; and the debt wasn't finally paid off until 2006.

Food supply gradually improved with some very odd imports such as the dreaded snoek from S Africa (sorry, Sandie). There was also fresh whale meat (we had a whaling industry until 1963) and tinned, which I loved.

I'm thinking about this now because I'm wondering if MM has been influenced by a lingering `imperialist' narrative about us? Something she or her publicists have chosen to exploit? Something that resonates harmonically in her thinking? Something that chimes with H’s fancy-dress efforts? Something best dealt with by projecting it onto the British?

I see the Markle/Merckel family were Germans from Alsace, a much-disputed area on the Franco-German border. Has that anything to do with the case? Is there some sort of inherited resentment at play here, as well as her own nasty hang-ups? Based on something her father used to say?

Or have I just got a corkscrew mind that tries to see and think around corners?
Shotgun Wedding?

The procreatiom smirk?

Had an in vitro fertilisation followed by implantation in another woman's system been successful?

The `baby shower'? Was that their `click and collect slot?
jessica said…
Does anyone think Meghan and Harry are aware they are ‘the strange couple’ ? They aren’t glamorous, attractive, aspirational, or inspiring. I wonder what their brand board consists of? I’m going to guess ‘charity, thrive, Africa, humanitarian, Royal’, anyone else?

And another question: Did they pay Harry for his small broom closet segment? He said they asked him to do it. That wording makes me thing it was arranged with payment for appearance.
Snippy said…
Re.the fugly screens being put up around the Perry property; I couldn't even put those up where I live in the suburbs. Building schemes and bylaws restrict eyesores like that and those neighbours will not be happy, in addition to the helicopters flying overhead and whatnot.
Lala said…
@Rebecca

I really look forward to that book. Lady Colin Campbell is from a family of narcissists and even wrote a highly respected book Daughter of Narcissus about that family. I expect because of that she will have a more critical eye when it comes to Meghan.

Should be a page turner😀
Crumpet said…
Hello Nutties,

Re Oprah going into seclusion. This means, no Harry mental health tour, no sofa interview with the duo, and of course no book tie in! Perhaps the shine a little light with MM, has become a train headlight at the other end of a tunnel--so her stepping back is her get out of jail card!
abbyh said…

Agreed. Those screens are horrible and don't completely do the job.

It uglifies the outside when you are inside and see them out there. And when you are sitting out there, it also blows the beauty of the place. They don't work (or at least from the way it looked from the DM pictures for anyone on upper levels.

It also makes it harder to move into a lesser place (eventually). Once you've lived with all that, anything which isn't equal or better is a step down. You have to have a certain mindset to handle lowered expectations and adjust accordingly so it does't poison your future and all who are around you.

It's funny that for all the need to be private to protect my family, living there was not an issue but it is only when this all was announced, that suddenly it was all a crisis which needed fixing pronto.





HappyDays said…
499lake said…
As some have commented, Diana's life became disorganized and eventually spun out of control without the support she enjoyed while still married to Charles. Is there any possibility that BFR is letting Harry's life spin out of control in much the same way?

@499lake: Your thoughts about the RF allowing Harry’s life to spin out of control sounds reasonable. When someone is as stubborn and determined to make a huge mistake, you usually have to let them do it and hope they will learn from the experience.

lucy said…
could you imagine helicopters flying over your house to get a picture of you? I really dislike the sound of them. there is a hospital very near me and when it gets in low to land it is awful not only because I feel like whoever is in it is really messed up but I pepper it with thinking it could be life-saving organ anyhow really the sound is terrifying it makes you feel like you are under attack. I could not like that

MM is a screwball because you know she just LOVES it! I still do not think they are staying there. I doubt we have ever known where they have really lived. we know it wasn't Frogmore. *that* is what is going to sell a book. get on with the divorce and end the nightmare already

Platypus said…
Another new Harry Markle is up!
Aquagirl said…
@Jessica: I hadn’t heard that about Andy Cohen. What a great question!

Re: The Screens: Isn’t this really just a repeat of Canada? Flee to a safe place to protect family. Leak the location of the safe place. Add extra security (barricades or whatever they did) to protect privacy. Flee again. Rinse and Repeat.

@Lucy: One of my sisters lives outside of LA and works at a school. During the school shooting last year, she was in lockdown. (The shooting wasn’t at her school, but she was in the same district, hence the lockdown.) When she finally got home that evening, they had helicopters circling their house and neighborhood all night long. It was literally driving her crazy after the ordeal that she went through, and it was non-stop. Would never want to live like that.
Louise said…
How is Harry the backdrop for his current videos the same one that he used on Vancouver Island? Did he bring the cabinets with him to L.A.?
@Aquagirl, I agree with you that Archie was a borrowed or hired baby, and I agree with someone on Tumblr who thinks they dressed him in a onesie so he would appear younger. I don't even think he looks like the South Africa baby, could be but who knows, either way he didn't know her from Adam.


@Cookieshark: "If her ultimate goal was to do Lifetime movies, merch, and pap strolls, she could have done all of that. Heck Lifetime makes a new movie it seems every day for the whole month of December that star 2 or 3 actresses, and she could easily have done those."
I've often thought how much better off she would be if she and Harry had just dated for several years, all the fame, none of the restrictions. I think she would have gotten way more acting jobs than she ever will again and her Tig would have been way more popular as she blogged about all her traveling with her prince boyfriend. Typical narc though had to have it all, the title, the big wedding, her fantasy about her and Haz being bigger than Will and Kate.

KnitWit said…
I don't understand the screens. Can't they pull the drapes like normal people?

Medea needs to talk some sense into those two. THAT would get ratings!
just sayin' said…
H & M have traded the sound of jets flying into Heathrow for the constant whirring of helicopters!
Lurking said…
@Glinda... she couldn't wait a few years, her eggs were/are nearing their expiration date. I think she had fertility issues and used a surrogate. Can't wait around for a few years when you're pushing 40.
Lurking said…
Regarding the screens... so tacky! It's been reported that the home is in a gated community. HOA anyone? I'd love to see the governing documents. California generally does not protect views, however cities have strict ordinances for fences (height, material, etc.) Public trails (like those that are adjacent to the home) are often protected and cities frown upon fencing and walls being built adjacent to trails which makes the trails seem like allies.
just sayin' said…
@knitwit - Great idea! So funny. That’s a movie I would watch! (Unlike any of the MM as victim made-for-tv offerings)).
Fahlina Speaks said…
I know COVID is happening worldwide and of course serious, but does anyone else find it odd that suddenly now people such as the queen and Oprah are going into isolation for a year, giving up pets even? That would suggest something else, something bigger is going on. Who voluntarily gives up a beloved dog? It's not like Oprah can't afford or find the best treatments. This seems like it might be something else. Charles is in Scotland, not Cornwall, Harry is who knows where, Meghan desperately wants people to think she's at Madea's.
Something very off about this whole thing.
Crumpet said…
@Fahlina,

Who knows. I can understand about The Queen -- she really needs to be protected and the BRF does not need a huge change and disruption, more than it already has.

Re The Queen of Daytime TV, I am thinking she wants to make sure that she has a good excuse to say no to MM and JH when they need another house to camp in while they look for their dream million dollar home. If Oprah's dog is in quarantine in the guest house, that means no room at the inn.
Sandie said…
@Louise: How is Harry the backdrop for his current videos the same one that he used on Vancouver Island? Did he bring the cabinets with him to L.A.?

They left Canada earlier than what was reported. He only did the first video (the Santa one) in Canada ... the rest were done in LA.
The reduction in the number of HM's dogs is probably more to do with the age of the Queen herself. I've read she thinks its unfair to take on a young dog, establish a bond with it, and then perhaps leave it bereft when you die.

I gather that the RSPCA has general on an age limits when it comes to adoption - no dog to be adopted by anyone who might pre-decease it.It takes a very dim view of the human lifespan - no puppy if you're in your 50s, I believe. I might be allowed a old dog, likely to die in a matter of months.

Another thought about teeth, is it Markle's doing , ensuring a new plate has a bigger gap to make him look more childlike? It'd go with the other infantilisation she's done.
@KnitWit - good to see you again. Hope all is well - we've been thinking about you.
Wanda said…
@Wild Boar - (OT...for everyone else - please skip if not interested in WWII)
😍😍😍
My apologies for the delay in responding to your post about the Clydebank Blitz during WWII. I thank you for your efforts in researching this puzzle.

I have checked all the sources you referenced and enjoyed reading further on the topic. I still feel there is something odd about the way this particular bombing has been handled in history.

It was especially important after the bombing that the Germans did NOT find out that they had mostly missed their targets of the shipbuilding industry in this area. No one wanted them to return and try again!

What I don’t understand is why it was left unrecognized even after the war when preserving secrets was no longer necessary. That was the question I had.
I thought it was sad enough that other areas received visits from the Prime Minister and the Royal Family yet this destroyed town not only received no visits, they also had their entire story covered up completely and in addition, did not receive any notice even after the war!

Other bombed cities outside of London, were openly visited immediately afterward by government and royalty. Following the bombing of Coventry, King George VI and Winston Churchill visited the city to see the destruction and offer comfort. Churchill and both the King and Queen visited Swansea in Wales to raise morale. Churchill also visited Cardiff following the bombing there.

In 1995, on the fiftieth anniversary of the ending of the Second World War Prince Charles held a function at Hillsborough Castle to honor the Dublin Fire Brigade for their assistance after the bombing of Belfast.

I haven’t been able to find much in the way of recognition or remembrance for the people of Clydebank until a BBC program was produced in the 2010's.

Some other thoughts:
In reading about the Hallsville Junior School in Canning Town via the link you supplied, I recognized that story as one that was used in the television series Foyle’s War. I can see how that horribly sad story was covered up after mistakes were made by officials.

Regarding your comment: “To me, it's doubtful if many working-class Scots had contacts telling them about events down south in England,”.
My family would definitely be acquainted with events in both England and Scotland as my grandmother was from Kent and they had a lot of family around London.

My Mom didn't live in Clydebank. She was located about 20 miles away and saw the Blitz from a distance - in between ducking into an Anderson bomb-shelter dressed in her siren-suit onesie! She and her friends found a couple of undetonated bombs in their neighborhood in the days following the attacks on Clydebank.
Aquagirl said…
@Fahlina, @Crumpet:

I understand and agree that the Queen.needs to be protected, but so far the only article I’ve read in terms of her staying isolated long-term was in the DM and the ‘source’ was Andrew Morton. Would love to know if there is additional information out there.

In terms of Oprah, many things could be going on. She has ties to Weinstein, Epstein, John of God, and a number of other unsavory characters. Maybe the walls are closing in and she knows it. (At the very least, she can renege on her commitments to JH & MM.)

@Wild Boar: That is so disheartening that someone in their 50’s cannot adopt a dog. Meanwhile, Richard Gere, at 70, just had another baby with his new wife. I think the other child is 2. I find that unacceptable on so many levels.

@Platypus: Thanks for mentioning the new Harry Markle. I love the way that she writes and her recent post so clearly breaks down the judge’s decision in the MoS/MM case. It’s quite astonishing how he not only basically trashes MM, but also, calls out her lawyer so many times on their mistakes and non-adherence to the law. Just Wow!
Aquagirl said…
Re: JH’s teeth: I’m not so concerned about the space between his front teeth because that could be easily explained as others have mentioned. However, he looks as though he has bruxism, which can be caused by anxiety/stress, anti-depressants, or illegal drugs such as cocaine, meth, ecstasy, and heroin. When I watched the Invictus video, his appearance/behavior screamed ‘drug addict’ to me.
I'm finally reading Morton's book on MM. Remember the video of her and Priddy driving around in high school? MM was driving Doria's car, but MM had her own license plate on it- MEGNMEE. Seems about right.

MM watched Diana's funeral on TV with a friend and had read Morton's book about Diana. She aspired to be Diana 2.0, one friend said.

She also said she was so bullied and ignored in high school, that she had nobody to sit with at lunch, but then she somehow ended up being prom queen. She always had a leading role in their stage plays. She described herself in the class yearbook as "classy."

Thomas did school activities with her, and it wasn't until Doria showed up at school one day that anybody knew that MM was mixed race. At Doria's house, she would sit around with her friends and Doria, smoking weed. She was mad at her father during summer after graduation and she left for Northwestern without even speaking to him.

She tells Morton that when her relatives moved from Ohio to California, her family was met with racism in Texas. Morton is bewildered because Texas is not on any route from Ohio to CA.

Morton confirms through another actor that MM wrote The Working Actress blog.

At her wedding to Trevor, it was noticeable for some of the attendees that her co-star on Suits, Patrick J. Adams, and she, were "uncomfortably close."

MM worked even the most distant of connections. Bogart, the dog, was part of a pair from the same litter, and she took Bogart, while the other one went to the son of a Diana biographer, Sally Bedell Smith, who was also a screenwriter. She wrangled a reunion of the two dogs, and of course, the screenwriter, on the beach at Malibu.

She was a massive control freak, needing everything around her to be perfect. Trevor was the laid-back California surfer type. Most of her old friends from LA, were frozen out by MM when she became friends the Soho House crowd. Trevor could barely contain his anger at her when Morton tried to interview him.

Priddy said MM was coldly calculating and very strategic at how she cultivates friends. For years, MM had her sights on a political future, so she ingratiated herself into the UN scene.

Mm had an Instagram page, but it was when she met Serena, who had her own fashion line, website, that MM copied her and stepped up her own PR game. The Tig was born after she got a friend who owned the Coveteur to let her use their graphic design department. She took inspiration from Goop. She cultivated relationships with Elle and InStyle magazines, getting an Instyle editor to run her social media and be her marketing editor. She began working toward an international political career, focusing on young people and gender equality issues, trying to rub elbows with the elite in that field.

MM was now with Cory, and Marcus introduced her to Nonoo. Nonoo's husband, an art dealer, was a friend of Princes Harry and William. MM decides to go to Africa for the UN.

Back in New York, she attends Fashion Week, hyping Nonoo's line. She's also still working her UN connections, rubbing elbows with the elite at the UN and in politics. Next, she cultivates more friends in London through the Kruger Cowne agency, thinking that she can make money by giving speeches.

Lindsay Roth writes, "What Little Girls Are Made Of," based on MM, and sends a copy of it to Kate Middleton at Kensington Palace, and receives a stock thank you note from her, which Roth frames and then posts online.

Time for bed. If anybody's interested, I'll continue tomorrow. Just let me know. I've left out all of the self-glory that MM tells Morton, as she makes herself out to be a superstar and a world leader. You can tell that Morton reports it, but doesn't believe most of it. He has a way of writing things to push you to a certain conclusion without getting sued.
Wanda said…
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@bBluebell,

The article said that The Queen has one dog with her.
WBBM said, Di was a princess by marriage, not by birth right. She should have been called Princess Charles but the press relentlessly called her Princess Di(ana) and it stuck so firmly that I think the point wasn't pushed. She was HRH The Princess of Wales, after divorce she was Princess of Wales. Their marriage was 13 years after the grand Investiture of Charles as Prince of Wales at Caernarvon Castle. There was no doubt that the Wales title was, first and foremost, his title, from the age of 20. ‘

The press referred to Diana as mostly Princess Di or Princess Diana, I feel it was mostly out of affection for her, but never as you say officially her title married or otherwise.

I think most people know Diana wasn’t born a Princess but a Lady, but personally I’ve never read nor heard that Diana should have been officially called or referred to as Princess Charles after her divorce. What I do remember is how she would be officially referred to post divorce, and this directive came from BP, (this was reported within the UK at least), and that was Diana, Princess of Wales. When she was married she was HRH The Princess of Wales. Sarah Ferguson had the same kind of change, pre and post divorce. She was HRH The Duchess of York when she was married and this was changed to Sarah, Duchess of York when she divorced.
Aquagirl said…
@Jocelyn: Thanks so much for posting the summary of the Morton book. I would love to hear more! I have one question regarding the wedding to Trevor where she was supposedly uncomfortably close to Patrick J. Adams. Wondering why he’d even be at the wedding since she didn’t start Suits until after the marriage. Maybe she had already auditioned for the part before the wedding? (We already know that MM has no problem inviting complete strangers to her weddings.) But I seem to vaguely recall an interview with the two of them, perhaps on Larry King?, where they said that they had worked on many pilots together that never went anywhere. So was Patrick perhaps yet another stepping stone for Me-Again, which ultimately landed her the Suits role?
Superfly said…
I just don't get it, just how stupid is this dup exactly? They don't see that they continuously say one thing while doing another?

We want privacy - papped walks, dozens of media leaks by 'friends', a book, LA as their base, mooching off celebrities who are anything but private, etc.

We will not engage with the DM anymore - dozens fo leaks by 'friends' about every single little thing they do, they want, they believe or they expect

The British people are racist, but thanks for your money - hey British people, look at us on the BBC talking about British vets

We are humanitarian eco warriors - private jets, loaned huge mansions with carbon footprints of small villages, etc

I mean, at this point, the only people who are still fans of this cringeworthy duo, must be borderline mentally slow. There is absolutely no other explanation.
Wanda said…
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I can't recall Diana ever being called Princess Charles though.

Just to give you a flavour of some of the precedents:

Thinking back a couple of generations to the brothers of David PoW, of their wives, only the Duchess of Kent was ever called referred to as a princess, because she was Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark by birth.
Her daughter is Princess Alexandra, the Honourable Lady Ogilvy, prior to her husband's knighthood she was Mrs Angus Ogilvy.
Bertie's wife, before he was GeoVI was always the Duchess of York, never Princess Albert nor Princess Elizabeth.

The two previous Queens Consort were both princesses in their own right, Princess May of Tek (later Queen Mary) and Princess Alexandra of Denmark.

Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone,b.1883, was daughter of Victoria's son Leopold.

Philip's mother was another Princess Alice, another granddaughter of Victoria whose father was a prince. Nevertheless, she was usually known by her married name of Princess Andrew of Greece.

I hope this helps though somehow it's still confused.
@Bluebell Woods - re dogs.

The Queen simply seems to be not replacing dogs that depart this life -I posted about this above, sorry if it wasn't clear.
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TMZ reports that The Harkles haven't decided on a house to buy yet, but their budget is between $12-$18MM. Yeah, right. The article describes some of the homes they are looking at.

https://observer.com/2020/05/prince-harry-meghan-markle-los-angeles-home-search-mansions-budget/

None of these homes will give them the privacy that they say they want. They've created a disaster for themselves in LA. There is no place where helicopters and drones cannot reach, and eventually the paps will find them. LA has become a prison of their own making. I wonder if Harry ever expected that this could happen. He was so sheltered from everything all of his life, but you can see the toll that it is taking on him in that last video. That Beach Boy dream has gone up in smoke, hasn't it, Harry? You can thank your wife for that. now, you're just on the run.

According to some realtor websites, there are no homes for sale in Beverly Ridge Estates. Of course, there are pocket listings, which aren't listed on MLS or realtor sites. They're hidden sales between two parties. Sometimes real estate agents are involved, but other times, just real estate lawyers.
Maneki Neko said…
@Aquagirl

I thought the same Wondering why he’d even be at the wedding since she didn’t start Suits until after the marriage. and I actually checked before reading your post. The 1st episode of Suits was on 23 June, MM got married on 10 Sept. of the same year. Filming would have started around 2 months (?) before the 1st episode so she could well have got 'close' to her co-star.
Ava C said…
Hi Nutties - missed a bit as I've joined the workforce again (from home). Shock to the system. Anyway, my highlight for the moment is deep satisfaction that Meghan is to get the Lady Colin Campbell treatment. No hiding place when Lady C turns her eyes on you. She called everything right on Diana way before other writers and her book on the Queen Mother was a masterpiece in forensic, destructive prose.

The Queen Mother pulled wool over people's eyes her entire lifetime in my opinion. If I had to think of the most accurate words to describe her, I would say 'cuddly viper'. The only thing I would praise her for - and it's by no means a minor thing - was being the right kind of wife to support her husband George VI (although in doing so she was satisfying her own need for attention and adulation).

So I can't wait for the book on Meghan. Hopefully it should get a lot of attention and perhaps will come out around the time of the court case, which is expected to be later this year or early next year. A double whammy! I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.
@bluebell,

I hope Oprah doesn't start a mass panic about COVID and pets, too. The silly woman just wants to emulate what the Queen is doing, but she went too far with putting her dog in prison. This is typical of her thought process.

She said she was going to self-isolate and not make appearances, but that doesn't rule out Zoom interviews, etc. I don't think Oprah can stay out of the limelight until the end of the year. She could still Zoom the interview with Harry. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
@Bluebell
Here's the Oprah/dog article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8307719/Oprah-Winfrey-reveals-canceled-plans-end-2020.html

@AvaC,

I can't wait for the Lady Colin Campbell book, too. "Cuddly viper" is a great description! After I finish Morton's book, I'm going to read hers about The Queen Mother.
Unknown said…
Meg really seems to be having the worst of luck when ever she hits the "jackpot." Who could believe she lost the cushiest job alive in little more than a year? Even if they go forward with the Oprah project, the splash she can make will be minimal. Her bad luck probably has to do with karma. Sometimes, it can be a female dog.

Anyways, I don't blame Oprah freaking out about Covid-19. Her money cannot save her from all the risk factors she has. The number of black Americans that have died from the virus are nightmarish. She had a bronchial infection last year. Years ago on her show she discussed having hypothyroidism. Although silent on the topic now, her weight puts her in the obese category not just overweight. She probably has other co-morbidities she does not want to disclose publicly.
@aquagirl,

MM had run across Patrick J. Adams once before, according to Morton. I think they auditioned or were in a movie together, where she had only a couple of lines. I can't remember which.
Ava C said…
@JocelynsBellinis - great that you're going to read Lady Colin Campbell's book on the Queen Mother. Do let us know what you think of it later. The part about Princess Margaret got to me the most. That her father, George VI, didn't know he was dying and did not make provision for her so that she could lead an independent life suitable to a (female) royal person in those days. Her mother could have resolved this easily in widowhood but she didn't. Princess Margaret had to go on living with her in the same house and I think it hampered her development in that she stayed in indolent teenager mode, when perhaps she could have made more of her life. She also was more likely to get into bad relationships just because she needed to get away.

Naturally our sympathy these days will be limited, as she could just have sold some of her jewellery and had riches in a normal person's view, but life was not like that for royalty then. That world was all she knew. It's not as if she could go out and pursue a profession. Her mother (and it was principally her mother) had deliberately restricted education for both daughters to a bare minimum even for that class at that time. She herself had got out of as many lessons as possible as a child. She wanted life to be easy and enjoyable from birth to death.

I also absolutely believe Lady Colin Campbell was right in that the Queen Mother was jealous of her younger daughter's beauty, which was more striking in her heyday than any royal we have known since, including Diana and Kate. The Queen Mother had to be the only star in the room. Basically, the 'Queen Mother' is to me rather an ironic appellation as she had few of the virtues I associate with motherhood.

@charade - my thoughts exactly re: Oprah. She's at greater risk due to her ethnicity and weight issues alone. I am annoyed about how much she is enabling Meghan (to say the least) and that she publicly judges our royal family while wearing blinkers, but I do understand her precautions for her health. However, I can't resist pointing out that, as a UK citizen, I am showing her more consideration than she has deigned to show us.
@ charade,
I get all of your points about why Oprah would self-isolate, but she doesn't have to make a big deal out of it in the press. She can simply stay home and do what every other person is doing who is self-isolating. No need to advertise it.

This self-isolation does come at a really bad point in her career. She has some suspicious friends, and helping The Harkles didn't work out as she had planned, the same way it didn't work out for David Foster with the Canada house. Both got a huge backlash from finding freebie houses for The Harkles.

The Harkles just need to move to New Mexico or Ohio or somewhere out of the limelight, but that wouldn't fit MM's agenda.

BTW, I checked, and there is a homeowners association for Beverly Ridge Estates. The homeowners aren't going to be happy with that fence. If The Harkles can afford a #12-$18MM house, according to TMZ, why couldn't they buy mature trees to plant along the sight line or an attractive fence? With enough money, it could be easily done, with Tyler's permission, and that of the HOA, and that would improve his property. It would be a nice gift for lending the property to them.

No wonder Tyler Perry doesn't want to live there with everybody walking by and looking into the pool area.

Ava C said…
That Tyler Perry house IS ugly. When you look at the aerial view of the layout, it looks as if you'd spend all your time walking into and out of the points of a starfish. That's assuming they have the run of the house rather than a guest cottage. The pool looks sad. Everything has such harsh lines. Like a new build on an ordinary housing estate but just bigger. Oh for that estate in Herefordshire. For the millionth time, what WAS Harry thinking of? Certifiably mad.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Joselyn
Massive thanks for the extracts from Morton's book.

If sugary Morton could write this about her imagine what sort of person she must be. Pure poison.

The faster and farther she is away from UK the better.

SirStinxAlot said…
I still think this odd behavior from Sussex's is because they really want the half in half out deal. Harry has no real marketable skills. Meghan is a d list talentless aging actress. Without the RF they have to pay their own security (currently paid by Charles), no use of HRH titles, no office at the palace, no public funding for wardrobe, travel etc. If they had gotten their propose deal they could have kept the perks and not the responsibility. By continuing to do what they were doing as working royals, it's their way of proving they can do a half in half out set up while living in Hollywood and doing what Meghan knows best. Hustling for a gig, being photographed daily, hanging out with the stars, walking the red carpet, living in a glamorous mansion, living HER dreams. Hope the RF refuses the offer again during the one year review. The Sussex's will continue to throw tantrums until they get what they want.
Ava C said…
@SirStinxAlot - you've hit the nail on the head. Harry in effect is just doing what he always did but on his terms and not nearly so well. The BRF need to bring this to a definite close when the year of transition is up. Ruthlessly. There has to be an irrevocable line drawn that leaves them on their own, in a world that is not as they know it.
Sconesandcream said…
@aquagirl - In 2011 Patrick J Adams was dating his current wife Troian Belissaro. Her father is a producer and quite wealthy. He still has a photo of MM and Trevor sitting together on a boat on his public insta @halfadams from 2011.
Piroska said…
@Bluebellwoods re dogs - the Queen bred her corgis she did not purchase them and in her 80s decided to stop breeding - papers probably because she did not want to leave an elderly dog bereft when she herself died. Vulcan and Candy the dorgis are still alive - the dorgis resulted from a chance mating between Princess Margaret's dachshund and one of the Queen's corgis and HM decided to cary on breeding them however their will be no more dorgis either Vulcan and Candy will be the lasat of her dogs
SwampWoman said…
JocelynsBellinis, The Harkles just need to move to New Mexico or Ohio or somewhere out of the limelight, but that wouldn't fit MM's agenda.

Wait, what? What did Ohio or New Mexico ever do to you?

Personally, I think that they don't dare. Too many people who don't know/don't care about her and her prince. No sycophants. No special treatment. People asking if they've lost their minds when he/she's asking for freebies.

OTOH, if they wanted to segue back to the whole earth saver eco-justice warrior thing (whatever happened to THAT? Not enough grift? Al Gore took all the money?), they could move to Taos and build their own earthship home. (Bwahahahahaha, sorry, just the mental image of Meghan voluntarily doing any sort of physical labor seems very funny and Harry seems too 'delicate' lately for things like actual work.) They could BUY an ecologically-correct earthship home. Here's the link, Harry and Meghan. You're welcome.

Earthship homes for sale in Taos, New Mexico: https://www.highmountainproperty.com/earthships/
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lucy said…
@Jocelyn thanks so much for synopsis of book, well told! looking forward to more!

few months back I remember chatter of feared author that was going to write a book on Meghan but not until they (can't remember if man or woman) were finished with the one they were currently working on. does anyone remember who that was?
@WBBM,

I think you’ve made it a little confusing, by digressing a tad! Lol ���� I’m never surprised or wonder why so many foreign nationals get confused over titles etc., it’s such a quagmire.

I know the difference between a born princess (and in their own right being one such as Beatrice, Eugenie and Anne etc) and one that’s married into royalty and bestowed a title.

The only way I know that Diana could have been officially called Princess Charles, and that’s if she’d married and divorced Charles before his investiture, because he was just officially referred to as Prince Charles. After his investiture his main official title (along with the others) was The Prince of Wales, not Prince Charles of Wales or even Charles, The Prince of Wales. So when he married, Diana was referred to as The Princess of Wales, she had no other royal title title like Duchess that she was officially referred to as. Camilla is officially The Princess of Wales, but because of the furore around the death of Diana etc., is officially referred to as The Duchess of Cornwall.

Sarah Ferguson a born commoner was only ever referred to as a Duchess when she married The Duke of York, but she would have had Princess of the United Kingdom on her children’s birth certificate’s (like Diana, and Catherine etc, would have), but she was never ever referred to as a Princess even though she married a Prince.

We know they all have various nicknames, but that’s another issue entirely.��

I’ll leave that for you to mull over and also leave the subject matter there too, I don’t want it to become another sub teeth ‘n’ taxes thread. Lol ��
Jenx said…
This is getting weirder. Leak your "location" then put up privacy screens to validate said leak. Silliness.

And someone upthread mentioned HOA. Lol did they get approval for the unglifying of the neighbourhood? If it's going up this quickly, probably not. And it's not even their property. They are certain to ruffle some feathers among the residents.

Squat in a high-brow neighbourhood, behave like a peasant. She will never fit into where she wants to be.

I don't think they are there, him anyway. He is still a BRF prince and the powers that be would never a) allow his unsecured location to be revealed and b) leave him so exposed and vulnerable to threats that far exceed the annoyance of paps. Nope.

lucy said…
@JenX I completely agree! so many leaks but would one really leak their actual home? they are getting all the fanfare drama and attention she (they?) so desperately seek whether or not they really live there. win win
SwampWoman said…
I don't notice any other states/cities/countries extending offers or rolling out the welcome mat for the freedom-loving (freedom from work and responsibility, that is) former royal PITA duo to relocate to their area.

@Superfly: Thire sugars aren't just mentally slow, they're visually impaired as well. They are posting statements like "You can see from the (Invictus) video that Harry is doing well in LA" when anybody with moderately-good eyesight can see that he looks like sh*t. The also posted that the Archie birthday video shows what a wonderful mother MM is and how she and Archie have a very close bond, when the little nipper never even looks at her and is trying his hardest to escape from her.
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xxxxx said…
lucy said...
few months back I remember chatter of feared author that was going to write a book on Meghan but not until they (can't remember if man or woman) were finished with the one they were currently working on. does anyone remember who that was?

This is your man. A very thorough and respected writer. He is at an age where he hires excellent research staff.

Biographer Tom Bower 'writing a book about Meghan Markle ....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7568255/...
Oct 13, 2019 · The writer is currently working on a book about Boris Johnson, but has admitted one about Meghan Markle is 'in the offing'. He told the Sunday Express : 'I'm not going to go into details - I'm...
Ava C said…
This is all a complete repeat of Vancouver Island. Disruption, screens etc. Is there anyone left who would welcome them as neighbours? They're a blight. Pure and simple.
Unknown said…
@Jocelyn Bellinis @Ava C @Trudy Blue You're right, Oprah is being reckless telling the press about isolating her dog. She seems to have a hard time not being in the spotlight anymore.

I really don't believe the Malibu Dumbartons are living at Tyler Perry's McMansion. All of this is smoke-and-mirrors for a sale. If they're living there, they need to fire whatever security team cosigned on this safety hazard. That McMansion is way too exposed for a couple that wants to coerce every taxpayer in every country they want to word salad on pay for THEIR security.

Even Elon Musk is not above giving spin to sell his homes in Cali.
Ava C said…
Ooooh, Lady Colin Campbell AND Tom Bower. We've been waiting for several years for proper investigative folks to get onto Meghan's case and now two come along at once! :-)
lizzie said…
Personally I think Oprah is an idiot for the way she's treating her dog. And even more of an idiot for publicizing it and possibly leading other people to abuse or even to abandon or kill their pets. I don't see why people would ever listen to Oprah about anything but she believes they do, so why doesn't she think before she blabs?

Yeah, I get it that she's at risk. I am too although not for the same reasons she is except for age. So I understand banishing Stedman to the guest house for 2 weeks. The article says he traveled by plane for business through the end of March. That was weeks after California was already in lockdown. I'd have probably banished him for longer for being a money grubbing moron and continuing to travel for business.

But the dog is in quarantine according to the article because she had to go to the vet for an eye infection. That particular vet offered owners the opportunity to observe treatment by video. And Oprah  saw the vet pull down her own mask. So the dog is quarantined alone for two weeks because she might have been infected by the vet not because the eye infection might have been COVID. How did the dog get to the vet and how is the dog's eye infection being treated now? I've never known of an eye infection in a dog (or human) that doesn't require ongoing treatment after the vet visit. And who took the dog to the vet, who walks and feeds the dog now? I'm guessing Oprah is forcing a member of her staff to be quarantined with the dog. Ugh. Just repulsive. To staff and to the poor dog.
xxxxx said…
More from Tom Bower who is writing a Boris biography but after that, one on Meghan.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7568255/Biographer-Tom-Bower-writing-book-Meghan-Markle-Duchess-Sussex.html

Mr Bower said she 'doesn't deserve privacy', adding: 'She's on public display and when you're on public display 24/7 there has to be a certain way of behaving.'

He said in a separate interview: 'Harry is a decent sort of bloke, but he's easily influenced.

'At the same time he's married a woman who is determined and very ambitious.'

Among Mr Bower's unauthorised biographies are: 'Dangerous hero: Corbyn's Ruthless Plot for Power' on the Labour leader, and Broken Vows: Tony Blair and the Tragedy of Power'.

His take on Meghan's father-in-law Prince Charles was that he is jealous of his son's popularity and out of touch.
Fahlina Speaks said…
@Bluebell, forgive me, I should have been more clear I’m my writing. I was referring to Oprah giving up her dog to quarantine, not the queen.
I’m a dog owner and I couldn’t personally imagine giving up my fur babies voluntarily or being willingly separated from them! It must be terrifying and disorienting for the animal! That’s why I was wondering if perhaps something else was at play that we weren’t privy to, behind the scenes.
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lucy said…
@xxxxx yes that is who I was thinking of! thank you!
Ava C said…
Yes, I've lost count of the number of places I've read about PC resenting the lion's share of attention going to someone else, usually Diana. I think he should have been graceful about it, the way President Kennedy was about Jackie when he said 'I am the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris, and I have enjoyed it' but he's far too prickly and aware of his own status.

I guess it would be rare to find a Prince of Wales in history who wasn't aware of his own status and remember how long he has been in that position. William may have reached his 40s before it happens to him. Thank goodness for Camilla, who jollies PC along and encourages him to get on with things. That's what Harry needed. A straightforward English girl from the shires with an undemanding brain and a warm heart. Who would love babies, dogs and be happy with his friends.

I've said all this before I know. Unfortunately I don't think it will ever happen for him now, even though I fully expect a divorce and his return with his tail between his legs (but only when Meghan is done with him). We all know him for what he is now. I guess in his social set they knew that before, but I think SOMEONE may still have tried to make it work with him eventually. Do you think? Nutties? Maybe not. Maybe no one but Meghan would ever have taken him on. In which case he needs to be grateful for Archie, who I think is his genetically, and make the best of life as a father, once they've both escaped from the Sussex claw.
Unknown said…
Oprah

1. Is Stedman going to self-isolate through the end of 2020 as well? Maybe he is taking care of the dog in the guest house and she doesn't want to admit he is as much of a "handbag" as Harry.

2. She just announced a live virtual wellness experience based on her now-cancelled tour. It's free and interactive. Guests to be announced later. This opens the door for more hostage-video from Harry, as well as a platform to hype the long-awaited mental health documentary.
https://news.yahoo.com/oprah-winfrey-launch-live-virtual-120306152.html

House-Hunting
1. Remember back last fall when the blinds first reported that the Harkles were house-hunting in LA? All this time and still no permanent base? That probably indicates they don't have the money to buy.

2. If saying the Harkles are living at his home is a planted story meant to create interest for a sale, why draw attention to the fact that people on a public path can look right into your yard as you sunbathe? The Harkles probably leaked the info because no one cared enough to come find them.

Oprah/Tyler

A DM comment said that Oprah and Tyler had a falling out in 2016 over his refusal to take constructive criticism over the script of a show he had on Oprah's OWN network. When Tyler's 5-year contract ended with OWN, he moved on to BET/Viacom. He later denied there was a falling out, but who knows. They have not been pictured together since 2016.

It's interesting to note that Oprah teamed up with Harry for the mental health documentary within a few months of the wedding, but stuck Gayle with covering Meghan. I've always thought she sussed out Meghan immediately and wanted to stay in the good graces of the BRF. Guess we'll see now that they are all LA.
Seabee666 said…
Love Andy Cohen for asking the question everyone should be asking. However, Meghan is incapable of telling the truth and doesn't care when her lies are exposed. Pathological liars cannot stop:

Toronto PD debunks her claims of being stalked and cyberbullied

Couldn't get acting jobs because too ethnic looking.

We met on a blind date.

I don't know my half-siblings.

Didn't know Harry, the Royal Family, British tabloids because America doesn't have them.

I care deeply about the environment.

I went to university on scholarship and working part-time jobs.

My pregnancy is real.

We are in Canada.

The list could go on forever. But shamelessly rolling Harry into the cubicle for another pathetic, rambling string of nonsense from the same spot he's been in for over six months -and claim you're in different places - is her "Eff off, haters." And who in the UK wants to be counseled or applauded by a scruffy loser who betrayed his county and the Queen for a greasy piece of ass? It's an insult.



Ava C said…
The Daily Express is now saying the virus will stop the Harkles visiting Balmoral this summer. As if that was ever going to happen anyway. Still, maybe the virus will mean Meghan can't play "will they won't they" yet again. At least about that.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1280870/meghan-markle-prince-harry-archie-visit-the-queen-balmoral-summer-holiday
Off Topic Warning!

@Bluebell Woods,

Thanks for your comments on Clydebank. It's just the everything was `hushed up as far as possible during the war! Raided towns were not identified, except in the vaguest terms; newspapers were censored; telephone calls were monitored (I've seen that confirmed since I wrote the post); only cheerful, encouraging photos were published (like the one of the milkman, picking his way through the rubble

https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/603421/Britain-1940-bomb-World-War-II-history-facts

or inspiring ones like Herbert Mason's shot of St Paul's in the London blitz at

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/iconic-images/st-pauls-survives-by-herbert-mason-iconic-photograph-11041

Sensitive Official papers can be embargoed for decades - 30 years is usual, sometimes 50,or more.

For instance, how many people were, or are, aware of the disaster that accompanied the US D-Day training in South Devon, Exercise Tiger? Possibly some of you reading this lost a relative...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger

The existence of mass graves, dug and filled at night, persisted among the locals for years, although the civilian population of the area had been removed. These rumours have, as far as I know, never been confirmed or denied, nor have mass burials been found - yet.

Then there was `Lord Haw Haw' broadcasting `fake news' with just enough truth for people not to know what was believable:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-lord-haw-haw-during-the-second-world-war.

Finally, most people tried not to dwell on the terrible things they witnessed. Often they just said nothing of what they knew.

And my comments about the Scots is from my experience with my in-laws, I don't think my husband has been forgiven by his brother's wife for marrying an Englishwoman! Previously, they had little or no contact with the England or the English. As contact has been reduced (by them) to Christmas cards only, there's none now.
Kim said…
Unknown said " Is Stedman going to self-isolate through the end of 2020 as well? Maybe he is taking care of the dog in the guest house and she doesn't want to admit he is as much of a "handbag" as Harry."

Oh, you have a great point there. Oprah is definitely the dominant partner in her relationship. She has treated Steadman as a doormat for years. Just like MM treats Harry.

Maybe she sees a lot of herself in MM? Oprah was a great talent, with so much drive and perseverance and influence. She really did overcome so much as an African American female in her industry. Sadly, behind the scenes she may have had to do some unscrupulous things to get to the top. And maybe that's why she befriended Weinstein and David Geffen, who were both abusers with great power. Maybe their friendship gave her some protection from the nastiness of Hollywood?
CookieShark said…
I have never seen anyone work so hard at telling others what they should think/believe...about everything.

It is covered up with adulation and "you are so incredible" compliments that feel like gaslighting to me. It feels like an attempt to be love-bombed so we will like MM.

The nonsense about "thriving" at a time where many of us truly are concerned with simply surviving is offensive.

MM has a defiant streak. I think they're aware of the "Get lost" feelings towards them, so they have doubled-down on their efforts to stay in the media.
If anyone hasn't read the latest Harry Markle post analyzing the court decision, I highly recommend it. The blogger absolutely skewers MM. Samples: The Claimant (MM) rambles on for about 12 paragraphs repeating (her) privacy, distress....." and "Thus follows more rants and ramblings about false stories in the tabloids that are wholly unrelated to the case...... I can only say that the rants must be those of a mad woman, and that the legal team can only have presented them while thinking of their billable hours."

Hahahahahahaha
Superfly said…
@Jenx

" Leak your "location" then put up privacy screens to validate said leak. Silliness.
Squat in a high-brow neighbourhood, behave like a peasant. She will never fit into where she wants to be."

Very succinctly put.

@Barbara from Montreal - people see what they want to see, especially people who are easily influenceable, can't think for themselves, believe everything they see and can't read between the lines

@Seabee - what question did Andy Cohen ask?
Anonymous said…
The rest of the homeowners in that development must be enraged. I cannot imagine why the homeowner’s association let them put up those fences, and I suspect that they will be removed shortly. Part of the cache of these gated estates is that you don’t HAVE TO PUT UP privacy guards. This stupid move on their part just devalued and undermined the whole ethos of living in a gated community. Everyone’s property just dropped $1 million. If Tyler Perry thought he could get some free advertising out of the Harkle residency, he just blew it by giving them permission to erect that hideous fencing.

I’m wondering if this vagabond nonsense is part of the on-going game of chicken between the Harkles and the BRF. That they are not buying any property because they are now scheming to come back to the U.K. But of course on THEIR terms. No meet and greets, just showing up at events like Trooping wearing extensive clothes and jewelry paid for by Charles so Markle can have her love of camera indulged and show little else for Charles’’ $$$$.
lucy said…
charming video 🙂

https://twitter.com/i/status/1260223207568793601
lucy said…
vile pig

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5ec9d96c56fe11c606d7378d67f43b13/7f7eb63c383cf9cd-52/s640x960/38c14b53c4964e3b9762634b72a4748867599f08.png
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ Ava C

Yes, Charles had been jealous of Diana's fame but not immediately and the reason for that is deeper than most of us assumed. I hope you don't mind if I share some things I have learned through years.

Charles started with comments "Isn't she absolutely gorgeous" and "she has real rapport with people" to those around him, which usually doesn't get reported.

Further on when Diana's behavior became erratic and uncontrollable he was getting tired of her private temper tantrums and became more distant. In response Diana tried to pull him back in, but was totally unequipped to deal with Charles at the level he could relate to. As she failed to win him back, she got angry and turned to media to "tell her side of the story". The media happily obliged, turning Diana into a saint and Charles into a devil. It was easier to sell stories like that.

Charles had been exasperated with the whole thing and often commented to friends "Surely people see that this is all so shallow? Can't they see this is just a media circus?". He also expressly forbade his friends to return Diana's fire, and they mostly obliged, so what the public saw and read was Diana's side of the story.

Diana's media war blinded her to the fact that her popularity and ability to manipulate the media often obscured other royals' (including Charles) important and serious work. Diana learned to upstage everybody by simply changing her hairstyle or choosing to wear a daring dress. Media would jump at it and give it front pages at the expense of "boring" Charles giving a speech or Anne visiting a hard-hit farm or even the Queen opening the Parliament.

This could have not stayed unnoticed and uncommented on in the near - royal circles, and this is where a good portion of Charles resentment of her popularity stemmed from. It may have been beneath him, but I can't say I totally blame him for that. He has been working very hard on his ideas in various fields and his good work mostly went unnoticed and unreported. I don't find it fair.

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to go into a whole diatribe, hope you will forgive me!
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Barbara from Montreal

I think you touched a very important point in your post. Resentment towards the couple in many people comes from what we observed in their behavior.

It is very hard to stay objective if you don't like somebody. Easy to judge, so I have to remind myself I would probably not be painted in pink and pastel colours myself if a writer talked to people I crossed horns with in the past. I was young and harsh and offended people, which I am truly sorry for now.

My personal dislike of Markle is based on what I saw: her disregard to protocol and tradition, her haughty behavior in public, her appalling use of African tour for pushing her agenda, her over the top spending habits, her insults towards people in UK, her demonstrative disrespect to the Queen, her ingratitude for what the UK gave her, her hypocrisy and manipulation.

I would be interested in reading a good book about the Harkles but only if it is not afraid to cover what I saw with my own eyes, openly and fairly. Perhaps there is a reason why she behaves like that, may be an abuse in the past, may be a disorder, may be she falls apart in private like Diana did. There is always two sides to every story.
lizzie said…
@Superfly wrote

"..people see what they want to see, especially people who are easily influenceable, can't think for themselves, believe everything they see and can't read between the lines."

I guess. I can't understand how people could view the Archie tape and believe that showed a close mother-child relationship. Or believe other  sugary reports over their own eyes. According to reports, Archie was "sitting rapt," was "fascinated by the story," the book chosen wasn't too advanced because the teething marks on it show "it is Archie's favorite story" and "She kept his attention for a long time."

If people buy that, I can see why the "Charles/evil, Diana/good" story was easy to sell since as @Fairy Crocodile points out Charles didn't fight back and much of what we did see was Diana selling her side of things.
Fairy Crocodile, thank you.

That's what I'd hoped the real situation was. Charles would have been damned if he'd said anything public to defend himself and was damned when he didn't. Couldn't win.

I recall reading he was upset/angry/bloody livid when she took the boys off to Wales, without him, for their first very visit to the Principality. He was entirely justified, it was a really nasty thing for her to do.

It should have been an important moment, introducing his sons to the Welsh people. Instead, she chose to pre-empt him. Absolutely shocking. So spiteful.

I often thought she should have been dubbed `Sly Di', rather then `Shy Di'.
lucy said…
good to see you @hikari

with all your experience with babies and toddlers ,if you had to guess how old do you feel Archie is?

not necessarily the teeth or the talking (and I kinda feel his legs look rather chunky for baby that has been walking for months) but more or less his mannerisms. he seems rather "in control" for 12 month old

just curious as to your thoughts

xxxxx said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid

Me being an American - Last week when you mentioned Clydebank and the German bombings I had no idea. You spurred me on to read up on this sorrowful mass killing. Seems the German bombers mostly missed the shipyards but demolished 97% of the housing. Thousands were killed, injured and left homeless. All from an era where workers and their families lived cheek by jowl with the factories-industries that employed them.

I also read on the school that had a bomb dropped on it with 600 dead, mostly evacuees, and the stampede into the underground station that killed 160. Bethnal Green Tube station. I have zero English heritage but have spent three months in London all together. I have always been an Anglophile and have always thought the BRF is a positive institution.
Anonymous said…
@Ava C
“Ooooh, Lady Colin Campbell AND Tom Bower. We've been waiting for several years for proper investigative folks to get onto Meghan's case and now two come along at once! :-)”

Indeed! Although Bower’s book on Boris Johnson won’t be published until September (reportedly) and so his next on Markle likely won’t appear until at least the end of 2021.
CookieShark said…
@ Fairy I believe it has been said that MM spent a lot of time after school at the Married with Children set with her father. If this is true, it may have shaped a good deal of her character. I have no doubt her father spoiled her and she developed a fascination with acting.

But this would not be an appropriate setting for a child or even teenager. Perhaps this is why she orders others around without realizing how rude it is.
A TV set is an adult's world, not a child, so I think this is why we often see child actors struggle in their personal lives.
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Anonymous said…
@Superfly I do think that those of us who are not on Team Markle can get carried away with the criticism. I thought the green ensemble swallowed her up (given that she’s rather petite), but that is not a criticism per se, just my opinion. I understand that there is a type of dress code at these events that she seems to go out of her way to disregard. Okay, perhaps that is persnickety. What is NOT persnickety was her refusal to adhere to social distancing in that entire return trip. She was reaching across the aisles to people, hugging teenagers at the school she visited, etc. This has nothing to do with royal protocol (a frequent criticism). By that point, Covid was destroying Italy and Spain. And yet HER agenda was more important than sending the message that social distancing needs to be observed by everyone, even duchesses of England.

Her pathetic need to sexualize herself in nearly every situation. Visually she cannot help but expose herself on some level. This isn’t about flaunting a few rules. She appears routinely in undergarments that don’t fit. She wears her sunglasses in the vee of her blouses (many women do, but not a ton of them have the buttons so low that you can see their cleavage). She wear prosthetic devices to enlarge her derrière. This isn’t about flaunting royal protocol, but about flaunting herself.

And finally, the lying. It seems to be beyond her and in her rapacious climb up the ladder and need to be in front of cameras all the time, that her interviews would be frozen in time. Consistently, she contradicts herself because that old narrative doesn’t jive with the new narrative she’s spinning.

I can’t imagine being part of the royal family, the constant scrutiny must be crushing. I don’t blame her for wanting out. What do I blame her for? Starting companies with domain names even BEFORE she was married to monetize her role within the royal family. Issuing public manifestos and demands (for EVERYONE to see). Her CONSTANT, without FAIL, need to upstage the BRF, especially the Cambs. It’s like clockwork. You could set you watch by it. The Cambs even released the photos of Charlotte a day before her birthday because they knew that Markle would try to pre-empt these photographs with some release of her own. Which she did on Charlotte’s actual birthday.

So for me, I can feel sorry for someone whose teeth are terrible and who uses veneers (which I feel is the reason why she keeps sticking her tongue out, she’s trying to get the veneers to sit right). I can feel sorry for someone who feels she has to compete with other royal brides (obviously Kate would be formidable competition) and tries to do so by wearing expensive clothes and can only do so by merching them. I have friends who have hair loss, and I can sympathize with her being forced to wear wigs to supplement her own hair. These wigs are trashing in the extreme, but that’s a personal opinion that I own.

What is NOT forgivable is the deliberate PR schedule to overshadow the BRF. The lying. I could go on. Her flaunting of social customs in other countries, EVEN religious customs, so that she photographs “right,” e.g., her rearranging her hair outside of her scarf before entering a mosque. So although I think we could give her a lot of slack regarding things she has no control over, the things she DOES have control over are legion.

She had a lot of good will going into this marriage, which she squandered because it was never about her marriage. It has, since the day she said “I do,” been about her. She repeatedly shows herself. What I do find interesting about her is that a lot of celebrities create a persona for themselves and years later we find that all of this had been very well conceived fiction and the work of a few PR geniuses.. Harry comes to mind. A lot of celebrities are narcissists. But Markle’s narcissism is so profound that she cannot harness it to work for her. It sabotages her constantly.
lucy said…
Meghan said people need to see her vulnerable side, something the book does in great detail.'

The friend added: 'I think [Meghan] wants people to feel sorry for her, or at least have compassion for her and all she's been through, which has been anything but a fairy tale.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8308155/Meghan-wants-Harrys-biography-released-believing-book-set-record-straight.html

🙄

Platypus said…
It’s hard to sympathize with someone that deliberately sabotages others, over and over again.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Lucy

We can see by now articles like this are pure clickbait and manipulation on DM's side. Quite deliberate.

Top comments would all say something like "She has been through a lot? How about (losing parents, facing hunger, being in the war, having a sick child, being in poverty, being disabled - you name it). She doesn't know what it means". And of course commentators will be perfectly right.

The stupidest thing Markle ever done was going into battle with the media. Even tungsten Markle who can shake anything off can't win it.
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There have been a couple of occasions reported when Harry's behaviour with regard to animals has been called into question:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308528/Prince-Harry-faces-animal-cruelty-claim-polo-ponys-stab-wound-spur.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492166/Harry-hook-No-face-charges-hen-harrier-shootings-Queens-estate.html

Playing polo and pheasant/partridge shooting are both legal activities with which I have no quarrel, yet to me these incidents seem to raise questions about how Harry was perceived before MM came on the scene. Even if he was innocent, was he already perceived as a less than nice guy? One report mentions him chucking his mallet on to the ground in a fit of bad temper.

LSA seems to have conflated a pony death (which could well have been down to natural causes) with the spur-injury incident and an animal rights group which disapproves of riding made a predictable response.

To what extent has H genuinely got a poor track record in these areas? Does anybody here know?
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@Fairy Crocodile: I was actually one of MM's fans in the beginning - I thought she was articulate, well-spoken and would make a terrific addition to the Royal Family. However, the more I saw of her behavior, the more and more I cooled towards her. I know think that giving Harry permission to marry MM might be the biggest mistake the Queen made in her life.

It's interesting that MM has made intractable enemies of the press while the shrewder Diana cultivated friendships with journalists. Of course this was part of her agenda to wage war against Charles and as others have noted, she had a huge vindictive streak.

I remember when William was about 10 and had an accident at school which required minor surgery. Both Charles and Diana went to the hospital; Charles had an engagement at the opera that evening and was in the process of cancelling it when Diana persuaded him not to, telling him that it would be seen as shirking his duty, and that William would be fine if she alone stayed with him. So Charles went to the opera, and the next morning the tabloids had shrieking headlines "Charles abandoned his son for the opera!" "Charles, what kind of a lousy father are you?" Once again, Charles was out-maneuvered and out-manipulated by his wife. He didn't contact the tabloids to tell them the truth, although it eventually came out.
CookieShark said…
@ Wizard excellent summary and yes, it appears she has a pathological compulsion to upstage the RF. If the story about Camilla's speech is true, MM was told in no uncertain way that she was not to overshadow Camilla, and she did anyway. I think this explains why Camilla looked aghast at Commonwealth Day and W&K had also likely been ambushed right before by her demands as well. I don't blame them at all for looking furious when they walked in. I thought they looked fine.

People who complain that W&K didn't greet them warmly seem to have a selective memory regarding everything they've endured since MM came on the scene. This is what boggles my mind about her. She and Harry ambushed the RF with their website announcement, snapped back at the Queen, fled the scene, threaten with tell-alls, then want to act cute and bring out Archie thinking all will be forgiven. Frankly I feel badly for Archie, whom she immediately corrected when he said "Dada," she just had to have the last word and say "Duck, Rabbit!" It was more important to her in that moment, it seems, to advertise a book, not listen to her own child.
SirStinxAlot said, Without the RF they have to pay their own security (currently paid by Charles),

As far as we know, the poor old British tax payer is still paying for the duo’s security. I’ve not read nor heard of anything different to date, but I really hope Charles is paying the bill and not claiming it back as expenses either!
lucy said…
@fairy good point good point about the articles.there is alot of relief/release to be found in the DMcomments

think that was what was so wonderful about TCD . I miss that instant shade.

in regards to Oprah. anyone else hear the rumors swirling about her house being raised in Florida? maybe her quarantine isn't self imposed. . just tossing it out there as the whole Oprah thing is really weird to me and not much surprises me anymore
Ava C said…
Fair comments on Prince Charles' perspective. The one I always remember is that famous clip of Diana rushing to hug her boys onboard Britannia (I think). Always used as an example of Diana's 'warmer' parenting style but the media always omit the bit when Charles hugs them equally warmly and the boys are equally happy to see him. There's two sides to everything, as Nutties have noted above.

About the screens and the fuss yet again about where the Harkles are supposedly living, I can't see why anyone would lend their house in future. You can hear the property values dropping. Reminds me of when Priscilla Presley was sitting with Lisa Marie at her home in LA, when suddenly helicopters started circling overhead. PP looked at her daughter and said "You didn't!" Yes, she'd married Michael Jackson. Cue the tacky circus. People who've spent that much on their houses want to be left in peace. But of course the Harkles are spending other people's money.
Ava C said…
New Telegraph article - lighthearted but telling. I don't think this is behind the paywall but I've pasted it just in case.

Scruffy Harry and polished Charles: decoding the royal men's lockdown style (by Stephen Doig)

While Prince Harry appeared somewhat dishevelled on a Zoom appearance, his father is as pristine as ever.

Seven weeks in, and the lockdown faces that first greeted us on Zoom freshly shaven, neat and bright are somewhat more weathered. Home schooling, isolating and the general angst that accompanies our daily existence has taken its toll even on the most fortunate few.

This can be seen in the varying degrees of dishevelment in which the men of our royal household have appeared on screen throughout the crisis.

Perhaps the one suffering most from lockdown loss of form is Prince Harry. He popped up from his mansion in an LA gated community this week to chat with veterans on The One Show. While no-one could fault his actions, the Duke’s appearance was one we can all recognise.

His looks spoke for all men; slightly fuzzy around the chops, rather more wild of hair, and sporting a rumpled off-white shirt. I can sympathise. It’s the second time that the Prince has appeared on our screens in the past month, first appearing in April on the same TV show to promote a children’s charity, dressed even scruffier in a blue polo shirt.

As always, we can turn with relief and a gladdening of the eye to his father, the Prince of Wales. Eternally dapper, he made his presence felt on national TV for the VE day remembrance ceremony wearing a Highland Day Dress consisting of a kilt in Stewart tartan, looking every inch the spruce military man.

He also appeared online earlier this month from his Scottish home, Birkhall, to open the Nightingale Hospital in what counts for him as casual, but sharp for most of us, in a grey flannel jacket and blue chambray shirt with a purple silk tie and matching pocket square.

Prince Charles’ previous appearance from the country estate was to applaud NHS carers during the BBC’s Big Night In on 23rd April, wearing a pristine pair of cream trousers, grey blazer and informal, open collar blue shirt - either his valet is still very much at work or our future king has learned how to press his trousers with precision.

Similarly, Prince William has struck a harmonious balance during his Zoom appearances. He’s popped up from time to time talking to teachers and pupils or discussing home schooling on BBC Breakfast, and he takes a different tack from his father.

The Prince doesn’t wear a suit or blazer - which would seem ridiculous at such a time - but he’s been donning a blue collared shirt with sage-hued knitwear to look pulled together without onerous formality.

The insight into how the royal men dress at home has been revealing - we’re used to seeing them either regimented and steadfastly formal or ready for action, be it on the polo field or the ski slopes. But can we learn lessons from their Zoom style?

I’d err towards the Prince William look to command an audience, rather than that of the t-shirt clad Prince Harry. A collar speaks of uprightness while the knitwear is solidly reassuring.

Prince William has made various appearances on Zoom wearing a collared shirt and knitwear.

Likewise, an informal blazer or cardigan - I’ve recently become wedded to one with suede panels on the front - strikes a happy note. Who knows how our style priorities will change when we emerge from this lockdown hinterland.

Perhaps there will be an emphasis on craft over mass production, with a touch less formality than before. I predict it will be less Los Angeles and more Amner Hall.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/mens-style/scruffy-harry-polished-charles-decoding-royal-mens-lockdown/
Morton's book, continued:

They are discussing The Tig. Through her promotion of brands such as Birchbox, she was bringing a little money, " I was bringing home a little bacon, too", and continues that she "would never take ads or sell a $100 candle. Obnoxious." There were times that she had to remind herself to not reveal every bit of her life on the blog.

In 2018, she celebrated Valentine's Day with friends in New York, and not with Cory. They were growing apart. Neither were willing to relinquish their professional careers for a personal life together, and neither wanted to give an inch.

MM was doing a lot of travelling, and she took another trip to Africa for World Vision Canada, as she had no work lined up with the UN. She took a photographer friend with her to document her work there, which consisted of turning on a water spigot and watching children paint visions of their future.

Back home again, she modeled her collection for Reitman's, with a photographer friend (she seems to have a lot of those) taking videos of the event and, she promptly went home and wrote about it on The Tig. Next, she attended a Vogue sponsored event, which gave her fashion insider connections to launch her Reitman's line.

She and Cory split, and she goes on Larry Wilmore's show, saying that she might as well stay in Canada if Trump is re-elected and calls him a misogynist. MM suggests that people vote for Hillary.

Meghan says she would not have been impressed with Harry if she had met him a couple of years earlier. He was dealing with his grief over Diana's death and was a lost soul. Even William had not been able to reach him emotionally at times. Harry became notorious as an angry drunk, but was protected by the BRF. To try to repair his reputation, he flew to Lethoso, and was photographed with a young African boy, a pure PR stunt, according to Morton. Harry brought out the fun-loving side of himself for this journey, and spoke about AIDS and Diana, another stunt, Morton says.

To be continued...
Maneki Neko said…
@Lucy

Thank you for the link. I've just looked and I cannot believe MM is making demands for the biography (read 'autobiography') to be released NOW. And she says she's not a demanding diva!

Apparently, she 'wants to shatter this image of being a demanding diva on her quest for fame and power,' the insider said.
They added: 'Meghan seems to think that readers will finally understand the monumental anguish and turmoil she had to endure with a stiff upper lip'
(pass the sick bucket).

The friend also revealed Meghan 'had plenty to say about what went into the book, much more than the public is being led to believe'. That we can well believe.

In any case, I think the BRF wanted to know the content of the book and I think it's had to be revised so immediate release might not be possible.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ CookieShark

" it appears she has a pathological compulsion to upstage the RF. If the story about Camilla's speech is true, MM was told in no uncertain way that she was not to overshadow Camilla, and she did anyway."

Markle was practically born at the filming site, grew up with it, dreamed about huge success in it, viewed the world through it. She achieved the most exclusive access to the world stage (RF) and abandoned it in favor of imaginary world of Hollywood dream factory. How crazy is that? She exchanged real gold for glittery fools gold. I think I am safe in saying her perception of the world in screwed.

Another argument to support this is her lawyers' submission in Markle vs Markle that had been kicked out and branded inadmissible and ill presented by the judge. I am having hard time believing any lawyer worth his salt would have submitted drivel like this. No, it was Markle's instruction against the legal advise that brought this fiasco on her.

Markle lives in her own world and doesn't see anything around her but herself. Of course she didn't understand crossing Camilla and slanting Kate has consequences. In her own eyes she is a wronged Cinderella, Oprah is her fairy godmother and her carriage hasn't yet turned to pumpkin.
Maneki Neko said…
I meant to say that no amount of positive, sycophantic, syrupy prose will make any difference at this stage. If she think that book will reverse people's opinion of her she's seriously deluded. It's way too late, that ship has sailed.
Snippy said…
LA County to be under stay-at-home order for 3 more months. No wonder Megsy wants that book released now, so she can make a few pennies. Too bad no one is interested anymore; Tina Fey epically roasted them on SNL. "I forget what they even look like, I think they had...eyes" LOL!
KCM1212 said…
Every time Meghan tells "her side" of the story, most people stand with stunned expressions and mouths agape.

It never works out well for her. Not the South Africa doucumentary, not the "manifesto", not her claims of racism and the harrowing escape from the BRF. And not in the current lawsuit.

Just about anytime she tries, she is absolutely skewered by people who, you know, live in the real world. And yet she keeps attempting the perfect validation for everything she's done. If this book is about her anguish and what she's been through, I can guarantee more of the same.

Let her, I say! If Madame wants the book released before all is in readiness, and it isn't held up by the BRF, go ahead. The world awaits.

And we all need a laugh.

It would really be kind of fascinating to take a tour through her mind. And I mean that in a purely clinical, or even, horror-movie way.

@Jocelyn thanks for the Morton summary. It sound more even -handed than I had heard, so fair play there. That's a lot of work for you and we appreciate it.
Sandie said…
Photographs of Harry playing with his dog in the backyard of the LA mansion so they are there. There is something quite sad and lonely about those photographs, and perhaps the tarot reader I follow is right: they spend little time with Archie as parents and energetically the marriage is over and they put on an act for the public. Such lovely weather you would think they would both be outdoors with Archie. Even if it is time for his nap, he could do so on a blanket under a tree. (No, I do not think Meghan and Archie are sitting oin a deck or patio watching Harry - he was out there playing with the dog on his own!)

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/meghan-and-harry-erect-screens-around-28-million-la-mansion/news-story/929b58dd7ba1e35e8d0daa644b063f53
Margery said…
@Ava C,

I read an article sometime last year that gave some context to the photo of Diana and her boys. I can't find it again, but I remember reading that Prince Charles stopped to shake hands with and thank the crew, while Diana ran right past without acknowledging them. He wasn't being a cold parent, as the media portrayed--he was being a courteous gentleman.
Sandie said…
What if the 'friend' who spoke to Daily Mail about Meghan wanting the book published now and the rest of the 'pity me' drivel is Omid Scobie?

1. He announced an earlier publication date and then was corrected by the publisher (in fact, he announced before the publisher was ready to do so, forcing them to list the book online when a title and cover were not finalised).

2. Unless Omid is a complete moron he must know that the Sussexes shoot themselves in the foot, every time, and anyone associated with them gets caught in the crossfire. He wants that book published in a hurry ... anything could happen before August and that 'anything' could affect the sales of the book.

3. Omid Scobie wants people talking about the book, speculating about it ... drumming up those sales.

I agree that it is awful to have so many people publishing photos of you and writing stories and opinions about you, and if you are a narc with a very thin skin it must be a nightmare. However, anguish is a bit much:

First, she was not targeted by anyone for any reason - Catherine was subjected to much worse for years, and some of those years were before she married William and had the protection of the palace.

Second the problem has always been Meghan as she cannot handle it and refuses to do so. Catherine handled it all with maturity beyond her years and level-headed grace (qualities that Meghan pretends to have but obviously she is lacking), and she had the solid loving support of family and friends (Meghan has her mother and some transaction friends.) (Ditto for Sophie, Sarah, Diane, Charles, Edward, Andrew, Prince Philip ...)

Go quietly if you want to not have to put up with any if it anymore (the Duchess of Kent did, and she quietly continues with patronage work out of the public eye). It is not unprecedented for a wife to step back from royal duties while a husband continues. But no, Megsy has to get attention and be in control and push this false narrative about herself ... to an insane level. (I have seen a narc with bottom lip trembling - the full works - and then proceeding to destroy another ruthlessly and blame another for problems she herself has created, and so on.)

I think most people have wised up and just won't buy the false narrative anymore or put up with the entitled diva behaviour anymore.
xxxxx said…
Snippy said...
LA County to be under stay-at-home order for 3 more months. No wonder Megsy wants that book released now, so she can make a few pennies.

Megsy is not the author so how much can she make? Omid Scooby Doo and Carolyn Durand are the *listed* writers with a forward by M/H.

No way is Megsy talking, spilling, cooperating unless she is getting paid. I am sure she has an undisclosed side deal with the publisher to get some of the profits. Good move by Megsy, this way she works around the BRF restrictions by not officially writing a book. But the BRF got wind of this Deceitful Duchess scheming and demanded that publisher Harper-Collins show the book, then revise the book. Just consider Megsy a deeply hidden ghostwriter here.

(My take on the situation)
Ozmanda said…
As I was getting ready for work this morning I was watching the news and a story dame up on the zoom video calls that Kate and William and other royals did with first responders and healthcare workers. It was actually really nice to watch and I thought the following -

1) Kate and countess of Wessex had some funny banter going on
2) it must be getting on sparkles and HAZard that the family seem to be thriving (boom tish) without them, and kate is getting airtime so I wonder how long it will be before we get a "never seen before" attention seeking photo P)
Sandie said…
“They added: ‘Meghan seems to think that readers will finally understand the monumental anguish and turmoil she had to endure with a stiff upper lip'”

Good heavens, someone should write a children's book about the narc duchess (what about ME!) ...

monumental?
anguish?
endure?

For heaven's sake Meghan, people are starving in a world of plenty. Do you know what it is like to go hungry day after day, getting weaker and health failing, while those around you gorge themselves? Have you ever had to endure a child or parent dying before their time or watch a loved one dying slowly in pain and fear, or had to adjust to living without legs and arms, or been raped brutally, or been on the street, homeless, or had all you hold dear taken away from you ...
Sandie said…
Bingo! Meghan especially is not co-operating with Scobie and Durand without getting a share of the royalties (or a flat fee), and I can imagine Harry petulantly demanding their share. They will say they just want to get their truth out there, but I doubt it. That they are not credited as authors or even as being interviewed for the book does not mean that there isn't a contract with their name on it. (I worked in book publishing and there are many reasons why a person would contribute in a small or large way to a book and get paid for it but ask not to have their name in the book at all.)
Sandie said…
https://www.etonline.com/prince-harry-back-in-touch-with-prince-william-after-his-move-to-la-146449

Anyone who believes that Katie Nicholl has a reliable source and actually knows what the Cambridges and Sussexes are saying and doing behind the scenes hands up ... I do not have my hand up!
Hikari said…
This is for Lucy, who asked what I thought about Archies actual age. I went back and watched the video again. That baby is a lot for for Megan that’s for sure. He’s a healthy chubby boy, it seem to me that his little T-shirt is awfully small for him. Having him just in a diaper and a little shirt it’s going to make him look more infantile than if he had a cute little pair of shorts and shirt on. This baby is Certainly at the upper end of the percentile scale for growth. Based on his size, has excellent muscle control, and the developed nature of his Babbling, where he says more syllables then just the word dada, This child seems closer to 15 or 16 months to me. That would jive with a February birthday. I.e. the weekend of the extremely quizzical New York baby shower, considering that none of the attendees except for Lindsay Roth if she was there are actually based in New York. If there was a surrogacy involved, I think something crucial happened that weekend. If Archie is 14+ months, he’s certainly starting to walk, but may not have for long enough to thin him out yet. The Archie we saw in South Africa was being touted as four months old, when he was easily double that and already standing based on the condition of his socks. Just my educated guess, But the Archie we saw seems advanced for a 12 month old. Also at the end of the video when the videographer he met a high-pitched laugh and says bravo in a high squeal. I certainly do not think that was Harry, Unless he was higher than a kite. Harry’s voice is surprisingly deep. And if he had been that high and holding the camera phone, he wouldn’t have been able to hold it that steady.
Meowwww said…
The book thing is so stupid. It’s going to be a sugary sweet rah-rah story of Princess Meghan and her challenges with Very Bad People. Set the story straight my ass.
Glow W said…
New York doesn’t have good surrogacy laws. It’s one of the worse places in the US to do surrogacy.
Glow W said…
Also, a 14+ month old baby is not only walking but probably walking. 14 month olds are not just starting to walk. My latest child walked at 12 months.
lizzie said…
I'd assumed for the reading video the camera (whatever kind was used) was on a tripod or was sitting on some solid object. I don't think it was handheld by anyone, even someone stone cold sober. In one of Harry's broom closet videos we saw him reach out at the end and turn the camera off and it seemed he was turning off a more traditional video camera, not hitting the touchscreen of a cellphone camera.

IF the child we saw on the video was really the one and only Archie and he is at least 15 months old as many of us including @Hikari think, it seems his birth must have involved a surrogate. There's no way M could have been 5 months along in the cover photo to the new book...the one taken on October 3 in Sussex, just 9 days before she couldn't button her coat at Eugenie's wedding.
Glow W said…
*but probably running
jessica said…
Yeah so I had a baby (at the Lindo wing) a month before ‘Archie’ , so when I look at my kid and that video. Archie is older than my kid. I don’t even need to go into the fact my child is at the top of the percentages in terms of height and weight....but I will!

Why won’t they just tell the truth about Archie, I really don’t get the secrecy around him. Who cares if he was a surrogate.

Does anyone have intel on why he wasn’t given a title?
lucy said…
@hikari thank you for your reply!

I am of the same belief. I feel he is anywhere between 14-16 months. what a lousy thing to do to a child he won't ever celebrate his true birthdate or even be same astrological sign
CookieShark said…
It's been MMs side of the story since...always?

After the palace was ambushed by them in January, HMTQ responded in a very restrained and measured way, stating H&M were family and they would do all they could to support them, they just needed some time.

Who of us would expect a boss to keep paying our benefits if we announced we were quitting with no notice?

They have complained bitterly at every turn about the RF. Since Archie's birth they have been complaining about privacy while taking digs at other RF members.
Sandie said…
@jessica: Archie, at birth, was entitled to use a title: one of his father's secondary titles, but Meghan and Harry choose to call him Master Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.

HRH Prince Edward is also HRH The Earl of Wessex (since 19 June 1999) with the subsidiary title of HRH Viscount Severn, and, since 10 March 2019, HRH The Earl of Forfar. His wife is HRH The Countess of Wessex, his daughter is Lady Louise Windsor and his son is James, Viscount Severn (he uses Edward's secondary title). I am not sure if his children use the HRH.

The Queen declined to make children of Harry and Meghan princes or princesses even though she made an exception for William's children, as was done for Andrew's daughters (Anne asked for her children to not be given titles and she took on no further titles for herself). However, they need not have permission for Archie to use one of Harry's secondary titles (but without the HRH I presume, but I am not sure). Harry's titles are HRH Prince Henry of Wales, and, since marriage, HRH The Duke of Sussex, HRH The Earl of Dumbarton and HRH Baron Kilkeel. So, Archie could use the courtesy title Earl of Dumbarton (or perhaps even Baron Kilkeel) and he is supposedly entitled to be styled Lord Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

If Meghan does not think titles are important, why does she insist on using HRH Duchess of Sussex and why insist on being called an HRH princess on Archie's birth certificate? Neither her nor Harry have ever or will ever use their secondary titles and will never visit either place either (they have visited Sussex once, briefly).
Maisie said…
Was there any information relating to when the 'Archie Birthday' book reading for charity was filmed? If not and she continues to hide an 'older' baby, that event could have been recorded earlier this year. Early March? That is what I would do to continue the subterfuge surrounding his birth.
lizzie said…
@Maisie asked

"Was there any information relating to when the 'Archie Birthday' book reading for charity was filmed?"

We were told it was recorded the previous weekend. So 3-4 days before it was released. If it was recorded months earlier, Archie must be huge by now, practically ready to read to Meghan :-)
Morton continued-

For many years, H's indiscretions were offset by his being in the Army and his work in Africa. Then comes the Nazi uniform. It was reported that he called one of his Army comrades, "our dear little Paki friend, and another a "raghead". Both times the BRF tried to protect him.

Next is the naked cavorting in Las Vegas. It is decided that H use his Army work and his connections as a prince to start the Invictus Games and to become a humanitarian, a new, clean image for H. He began talking about looking for a wife. He saw how happy William was with Kate, and he wanted that, too.

MM was looking for the same, and she landed again in London to rep Ralph Lauren at Wimbledon and promote Suits. It was there that she met Anna Wintour. MM had been Tweeting with Piers Morgan, and she called him while at Wimbledon with Serena at her side to arrange a meeting.They met for drinks, and he thought she was smart and genuine.

Mm was working closely with Violet von Westenholz, a Ralph Lauren exec, whose father was Baron von Westenholtz, an upmarket interior designer friend of Prince Charles. Violet and her sister, Victoria, skied in Switzerland with Charles, William and Harry every winter. Victoria was once thought of as a good match for Harry. Soon, MM was gushing that Violet was her bestie. "How much more can I adore this gem," she wrote.

Morgan says it's possible that Violet set up the first blind date for H and MM. Marcus, who had just returned from a holiday with MM to Madrid, arranged for a private table for H and MM at the SoHo House.

MM quickly saw that H was mesmerized by her. H went back to London, and then she then posted a photo of two heart candies with the words, "kiss me," and "Love hearts in London." Very soon, they were in a tent for five days in Africa. This was his seventh trip to Botswana with four different women. Just a few weeks before he and MM went to Botswana, he was dancing with two brunettes and downing shots at a London club. H had dated so many women that Morton didn't list all of them.

MM had moved into Nottingham Cottage with H. H loved junk food, and soon she'd cleared his fridge of all of the good stuff and replaced it with hummus, carrots, green juice and almonds.

MM told Morton that all of the royal family and all of his friends loved her. She was the outgoing, photo-ready, glamour girl, while H was the beanie-capped, head down, avoid the camera type.

In late October, the royal editor of The Sunday Express, was told by "a source," that H and MM were dating, and that he was the happiest that he'd even been. Just hours before the story broke, while H was visiting MM in Toronto, MM had posted a photo of two bananas spooning, with the caption, "Sleep tight.XXX".

H goes back to London, and MM deals with the paps in Toronto. MM tells Morton how hateful the press was to her and their racism. It goes on for many pages. She mentions Doria being hounded by the press, and how Samantha accused her of being a shallow social climber. Mm says her friends were suffering because they didn't know what to do or say. Harry puts out the message that she is being hounded by the press. This just sets the media into overdrive. MM is soon papped walking with groceries from Whole Foods back to KP, in effect announcing that she is living there with H.

MM releases photos of her dog, Guy, in a Union Jack dog sweater and of her wearing an M&H necklace. Mm tells Morton that the producers of Suits felt that her relationship with H was overshadowing her character on Suits, so they decided to write her out of the show.

Meanwhile, MM is still writing The Tig and giving speeches on women's empowerment and political issues. the BRF realizes that "she is acting as a freelance operation within the corporate royal firm." Morton says she is no fool and that she realized that H has in effect, given her a megaphone (hey! a new name for her!) to push her own agendas. The Tig is closed down.

more later...
Ozmanda said…

Reading to the baby acting in the role of archie - I wonder if anyone has done exif searching of the post, it gives you origins, and the date of upload and creation.It is how it was discovered that some of the photos posted earlier were actually done a LOT earlier.
Margery said…
@Sandie,
Yours was a very informative post, but I'd like to make one correction: Queen Elizabeth didn't need to make any special provisions for Andrew's daughters. All male line granddaughters of the sovereign are born princesses.
Has anybody posted this?

A "source' tells the DM that MM wants Scobie's book released now. The "insider" says that she is far more involved with the book than people think and that it will show that she is not the demanding diva that she is portrayed to be. MM believes the book will set the record straight on why they left the royal family and that it will give them a clean slate.

The friend added that "I think (Meghan) wants people to feel sorry for her, or at least have compassion for her and that she's been through, which has been anything but a fairy tale."

Have at it, Nutties!
brown-eyed said…
Almost fell of my chair when I saw this in the DM. Several @nutties have pulled quotes. I’m giving the list at the top of the article. Seriously, she has no perception of reality. I found it shocking because it is so out there.

QUOTING from the DM:

“ A friend said: 'She said the book will finally set the record straight and show the world why they were left with no other choice than to leave the royal life'

“DailyMail.com revealed last week Tyler Perry sent his $150M private plane to pick up the couple from Canada to bring them to his $18M Beverly Hills home.

“But despite her high-flying lifestyle, Meghan 'wants to shatter this image of being a demanding diva on her quest for fame and power,' the insider said.”

“They added: 'Meghan seems to think that readers will finally understand the monumental anguish and turmoil she had to endure with a stiff
upper lip”

“The friend also revealed Meghan 'had plenty to say about what went into the book, much more than the public is being led to believe.”

END QOUTE
brown-eyed said…
Correct me if I’m wrong, English @nutties.

If Archie was a surrogate birth or carried by a gestational carrier (her egg/PH’s sperm), then I believe he cannot inherit a title. If MM didn’t literally give birth to him, if is not an “of the body” birth as required by law to inherit a peerage. The peers just recently voted NOT to change this law.
abbyh said…

She's really not a demanding diva so they haveto publish the book as soon as possible. (politely rolling eyes)

If the vast hordes of people who haven't made a decision one way or the other about how they feel about her, when they have had lots of other examples to tip things her way (the recent food deliveries, the walk the dog in LA or Canada, the visit to the school, her empowerment speeches (assorted), the visit to the deceased girl's memorial in SA, the cookbook, several tv specials which clearly highlight her specialness and traumas inflicted upon her ... and the list goes on (lost sentence structure - sorry) but my point is that if they weren't convinced by all that constant positive pr dripping, why would the book suddenly flip them to her side?
lucy said…
Archie is not "of the body" and that is why he doesn't have a title. there is no way in heck Meghan said nah no thanks to a title for Archie when she lists herself as Her Royal Highness Princess Meghan Duchess of Sussex on his birth certificate but no she's not a diva..

she has something obviously wrong with her and sounds like from childhood even. it would be sad but she is too destructive, manipulative and deceitful to invoke any sort of sympathy

I almost hope they release the book now as it is just May and then by August everyone will be over it otherwise three more months of this
Her anger is escalating at an alarming rate. She is completely out of control, not making rational decisions (such as this article), and it's affecting Harry. We can see that in the last video. Some of that anger has to rub off onto Archie, too. Babies get the vibes from people in their house, and what she is portraying in the public is not healthy for any of them.

I wish there was some way that someone could just get her to stop. She's getting into dangerous territory. It's completely abnormal behavior, and everybody can see it.
abbyh said…
So, I just finished the latest Harry Markle piece commenting on the recent ruling on the lawsuit.

When this first came up (the lawsuit) there was something about the timing of it and something else (maybe who heard it or which court).

Would her team have possible found a more sympathetic court if they had gone the other way?

Or would it have meet with equal this does not meet court standards?
lucy said…
unfortunately or fortunately I don't feel Meghan spends more than an hour a day with Archie. there is no bond there as look at how many times she flew off and left him as infant. seriously she flew to a tennis tournament really?

and the birthday video was so shallow and disingenuous. she probably thought if he wasn't crying throughout the video was a success because why in the world would she release that? even in playback she couldn't see he needed his diaper changed? and why was he nearly naked

very sad. at least Archie looked well fed and freshly bathed. pretty sad synopsis of Royal Baby's 1st birthday

lucy said…
I was just reading somewhere that royal couples ask for donations to charity in lieu of gifts. William and Kate generated a whopping 11 million for their charities. was there ever any mention of what amount was domated in H&M's name? or even Beatrice for comparison
Sandie said…
@Margery: Thanks so much. It is a bit clearer now. So, basically, grandchildren of the monarch (The Queen) are HRH princes and princesses unless decided otherwise (as with the children of Anne and Edward) but great-grandchildren are not HRH princes and princesses unless the monarch (The Queen) formally grants them those titles (as she did with the Cambridges).

I think Meghan wanted everyone to think that the Queen wanted to make Archie a prince but that she (Meghan) refused. I suspect the truth is that the Queen had no intentions of making Archie a prince, HRH or not, and Meghan was really unhappy about the other two titles that Archie can use if he so wishes.

I am very familiar with this kind of behaviour from a narc: if they can't get what they want then they pretend that they never wanted it in the first place, and go so far as to 'look down' on that which they really wanted but did not get. (People mistakenly believe that narcs are coldly calculating, but my experience is that things often get very messy with them and they do behave irrationally.)
Wanda said…
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@Bluebell,

Glad you are liking the summaries. I'm typing as I'm reading the book, so it's in more bits and pieces than I would like, but what the heck. Morton is good at sugar-coated venom.

It looks odd to me that while she is in a lawsuit centering around five "friends", that she would continue to have anonymous "friends" speak for her.

Harry Markle put it this way in her last post. These five friends are going to have to appear in court. Either the friends are MM herself, and she will have to find five people who will perjur themselves in court by lying and saying they were one of the friends.

OR there are really five friends. They will have to embarrass themselves in court and throughout the world, by admitting that they spoke to People without MM's permission, and that they were the cause of the entire lawsuit.

Either way, these five friends will lose, by perjuring themselves (and none of her known friends appear to be smarter than the judge) or by admitting that they caused all of this trouble. MM could drop the lawsuit, and set her "friends" free from this, but she hasn't done that yet. Would you ask any of your friends or family to go to these lengths for you?

What game is she playing here, and why is she continuing to use "friends" as sources of information about her? I suppose that this is the only way she can get publicity without
looking like she's even more attention-seeking, but wouldn't it be in her best interest to just keep quiet for a few months? Or is that just impossible for her?

Is she baiting the press so that her lawyers, while taking the judge up on his offer to let them re-submit parts of the case, to publish something that she can use in court?

Unknown said…
@Sandie Princess Anne's children were never going to be HRH. Her children are female-line and their father is a commoner. HMTQ offered to give Mark Phillips a title before they married so their eventual children could have titles. Anne refused.

Prince Edward's children are male-line but the Wessex's requested their children not be called by their HRH styles. They use Edward's lesser titles and styles. This is an informal arrangement until Louise and James reach adulthood and can make their own decision on the matter.

George was always going to be born with the style of HRH Prince. Issuing him a HRH style was addressed with letters patent during Queen Victoria's reign (if I remember correctly), the last time 4 generations of the direct line were alive at the same time.

Charlotte and Louise would not have been born with HRH Princess and Prince titles and styles if not for the letters of patent issued a few months before George's birth. Those letters of patent addressed two specific things. First, all the Cambridge children were to be born with HRH Prince/Princess styles. Second, their female children would keep their spot in line to the throne and not be pushed back by younger male siblings.

Before George was born, many were speculating he was a girl because of the new letters of patent. Many don't like that Anne's line to the throne was pushed behind Andrew and Edward. That issue was finally addressed.
Unknown said…
Upon Charles accession to the throne, Archie can be styled HRH Prince Archie. However, after all that fanfare about the Sussexes wanting privacy for Archie and themselves, they may not use it for him.

The Sussexes not using their HRH styles is an informal agreement and I suspect there is an undisclosed agreement about Archie too. We will probably only know if and when Charles becomes King.

The Sussexes have painted themselves into a corner if they do let Archie be styled as HRH Prince Archie. They would publicly out themselves as liars, hypocrites, and cashing in on their titles.
jessica said…
I’m of the opinion Meghan uses her ‘friends’ to speak on her behalf, so the narrative can always be controlled from her end. The ‘mystery’ the ‘air’ of being royal and above it all. She couldn’t speak freely to the press before, and I think she is continuing this strange way of PR to distance herself from her mistakes.

After all, look at her lawsuit.

I think she should speak freely now. But then she wouldn’t be as interesting. Will she even do an interview? The public has questions. She won’t get away without addressing the controversy to move to her next steps. I wonder what her redemption plan, if any, is? This entire narrative is one of victimization, so if she changed it to empowerment and ownership how would that be possible?

I guess what makes this all so interesting is Meghan being adamant (and maybe Harry?) that they be super public individuals, being reported on their every move. This isn’t safe for Archie, but it’s clear they do not care about this affecting him. No other royal couple behaves this way. In fact, I can’t even think of another famous couple who attempts these sort of modern Taylor Swift esq life ‘play by play’ and ‘blow by blow’.

Honestly I just wish they were more interesting! Give me something! Make her mega hot, give Archie a cute real sibling, make Harry fully recover from his mental illnesses and get fit. Have him study for his degree and advanced degree and become an expert on sooooomething. Have her become a renowned chef. I don’t care what it is. They cannot leverage ‘do nothing royal’ without spending a ton of cash on this system to keep them in the news.

Everyone who becomes famous for being famous, has something they are trading. The two most famous examples trade on sex appeal. Meghans acting career is too low level. Harry’s military career doesn’t lend much to a persona.

I know I’m just ranting here, but man these two confuse me. Like sometimes I’m just like, who actually cares about these two nobodies? I’m just so shocked they manage to get so much news time. They are incredibly boring!
@jessica,

I agree with everything that you said, but people do like to see a car crash, and that's what we're seeing here- self-destruction.

Speaking of Archie, how did they know for sure that Tyler Perry's plane was completely sanitized so that Archie was safe from COVID? They can certainly decide for themselves if they want to put themselves at risk, but Archie has rights, too, and that includes being safe and being protected by his parents from this virus.

The plane went from Georgia to Portland, OR, then to Vancouver, then back to Portland and onto LA. That involves a lot of people for refueling and baggage handling, etc. What about the pilots and crew? Did they go through a terminal or was the plane accessed by stairs?
Margery said to Ava C,

I read an article sometime last year that gave some context to the photo of Diana and her boys. I can't find it again, but I remember reading that Prince Charles stopped to shake hands with and thank the crew, while Diana ran right past without acknowledging them. He wasn't being a cold parent, as the media portrayed--he was being a courteous gentleman.


I’ve saw this too, and in the same film footage it also clearly showed Charles hugging both boys afterwards, but just more discreet than Diana’s hug. It just shows (at the time) how biased the media was in creating a false narrative for both parents.
Lucy said: what a lousy thing to do to a child he won't ever celebrate his true birthdate or even be same astrological sign

Considering this, I'm now wondering whether she's decided he can have two birthdays, "just like great granny". One "official" (the date we've been told he was born) and the real date that they celebrate in private. I for one wouldn't put it past her.

I've also been thinking about the "chewed book", how do we know for certain it was Archie who chewed it? I've just had an amusing mental image of MM telling Harry to have a gnaw on it so people believe it's Archie's favourite.

^ All pure conjecture and fuelled by my lockdown imagination; but when they've blatantly misled so often on so many things, I find it so difficult to believe anything they come out with.
Let’s not forget that William is the next heir after Prince Charles, so his children are in direct line to the throne. This is why his children were granted HRH styles and Prince and Princess titles.
Charade,

Exactly, and correct about the styles and titles.
@Blogger JocelynsBellinis said, quoting Morton, `he thought she was smart and genuine'.

I’ve come across several `alternative truths’ about their early days, pure malicious rumour and speculation of course, have to remember she’s innocent until proved guilty in court:

- that he initially assumed she was a `working girl' and his intention was to engage her professionally on a very short-term contract. She had other ideas.
- that once she was his `girlfriend,’ he invited her for a trip on the briney but she was also in the group of `working girls’ initially recruited for the voyage by H’s friend in charge of the arrangements. If true, this seems to imply that she was still `working’ as well as being with Harry and Cory.
- that she was in two places at once, in Botswana with Harry according to the general narrative but ,from what she wrote about herself, at a friend’s wedding (That’s in an early Harry Markle post.) Is she a shape-shifted form of Schrodinger’s cat?

Not sure where I saw the first 2 allegations – JerseyDeanne? It was before I found Nutty anyway.

The book `Running from Responsibility’ – My guess is that she wrote/dictated it (after all, she is better at everything than anyone else, be they writers, lawyers, fashion gurus...you name it, she's the expert) and will take the lion’s share of any publisher’s advance and royalties. Scoobie Doo will get only enough to keep him in line. A new form of `ghosting’?

In time, it’ll be remaindered, in the cut-price bookshops, and charity shops will be flooded with it – they’ll hate it as much as they do Readers Digest condensed books.

Btw, my latest grocery order, has just been delivered by a chap looking like JCMH, apart from a better head of hair. An opportunity for a royal? He’s had the job experience and might just be considered by a less-than-upmarket employer, in view of where his wife's behaviour has placed him socially. Talk about `marrying down'.
I think it's a lousy thing to name a child for one's own purposes, a form of abuse.

A name can, I believe, celebrate the uniqueness of a child without being weird. It's possible even if the names come from a family `stock' as in the RF.

My husband has only one given name and that's the same as his father's, grandfather's and great-grandfather's. He and his then wife refused to continue the tradition with their son, to the irritation of the rest of the family. (They didn't like me keeping my maiden name and not taking their name either - partly because I had no wish to add to my `ID paper trail', and partly because my scornful SiL's name was the same as my middle one - my other sin was being English.)

A colleague changed/added to her original given name because she never felt comfortable with it. It had emerged that she had been given the name previously used for her older sister who had died in infancy
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