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Has Meghan's moment passed?

I was out to dinner with an acquaintance this past weekend, a woman in her 20s visiting from the USA.

We spoke about the various events in the news, and when a celebrity name came up in the conversation, she said, "I just don't care about celebrities any more."

Speaking of celebrities - or would-be celebrities - it's a tough time to be Meghan Markle, whom according to a hopeful headline in today's Daily Mail, is the most talked about woman in the world.


A devalued currency

Meg doesn't have much to sell besides fame, but that currency has suddenly been sharply devalued.

Many people are wrapped up in political topics, and many are also struggling with their household budgets or their health during COVID times.

Does anyone care about a woman who doesn't seem to accomplish much, her husband who definitely doesn't accomplish much, and their child who may or may not exist?


Three books on the way

There are apparently three books about Meghan on the way - one by Lady Colin Campbell that will be published very soon, one by Omid Scobie (written with Harry and Meghan's input) due in August and a newly-announced one by Sunday Times writer Sean Smith set for publication in November. 

A separate book about the feud between Harry and William, due for release in October, will inevitably touch on the Meghan drama.

But the world is moving on quickly. Will there still be an audience for these books by the time they're published?

The Mulroneys are Markled

Ben Mulroney is "stepping down" (was terminated from?) a job on Canadian television, supposedly due to his wife's feud with a Black influencer. 

Based on his short "struggle session" video, Ben seems insufferable, but in general I don't think it's fair for people to be punished for what their spouses get up to. 

Perhaps Ben has some other incident in his background that we haven't been privy to, or maybe CTV wanted to make a change for other reasons and this was a good excuse.

Meghan's failure to stand up for either of the Mulroneys won't benefit her in the long run, however. 

She appears to be quickly running out of friends.


Comments

Miggy said…
@Tatty,

Murky Meg also said she wouldn't believe or endorse it until it was reported by the press.

There are too many rumours flying about presently...!
lizzie said…
@Unknown and @Teasmade wrote that maybe M changed her major from Theater to International Studies. Someone she dated apparently suggested she might have.

That scenario doesn't work. Theater is in the School of Communication. The commencement program shows M graduated within that school.

Northwestern doesn't offer a stand-alone major in International Studies/Relations and never has. (M's 2nd major) What they offer is more like an academic concentration (housed in the Dept of PoliSci in the College of Arts and Sciences) that any student can complete but completion of another "full" major is required for graduation. So anyone graduating with an International Studies major at NW must be a "double major." Thus, any student would be graduated from the college/school of his/her other major.

US universities do differ from those in the UK. But completion of a major IS required. In fact, at the vast majority of US universities majors are much more tightly constrained (1 of these courses, 3 of those) than are UK areas of study.
Grisham said…
MM looks pregnant in that photo of her from the side.
Christine said…
Yes Meghan does look pregnant there.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Cookie Shark

It is because without the titles they are commercially invisible. The minor cable actress and a middle aged jobless and homeless guy funded by his daddy.

This also smoothly brings us to the next question - what can they lecture about? They achieved nothing of note. All Harry's "achievements" were done for him by others.

It will not take long for anybody to see the "The King is naked".

Also, what they are doing now is the only thing Megsy knows how to do. Hustling, grabbing anything she may think of without pausing for consequences.
NU doesn't have an International Studies degree, so MM doesn't have a double major. You have to have a major in another field, then international studies is an 'adjunct' degree, which does not meet the requirements for an undergrad degree.

Fro the NU website:

"Students must complete a disciplinary major offered in any department of Northwestern's schools. Students may declare the International Studies adjunct major before declaring a primary major, but the adjunct major does not by itself meet requirements for an undergraduate degree."

I'm not sure why this discussion so important, though.
OKay said…
@CatEyes Serious question - why do you still come here? It obviously makes you very unhappy.
Jenx said…
Homeboy industries .... is it the real Harry? Way too easy to pull off with the masks and Americans are not nearly as familiar with him as the British. I am on team double for this one. Look at the man's neck in the group photo. Huge neck small head. Anyway... Lady C!
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Grisham said…
@jenx you remind me.... who is on team double?

I’m curious who leans toward that as a possibility.

I find it incredulous that there are no photos of Harry in U.K. while a “double” is making rounds to organizations in LA and no media is reporting on the possibility.

But I do understand some people lean toward a double.

So I’m talking Harry only double.

Who here is on team possible double? I just want to gauge how many people think this is a possibility.
@Cosmic

“ From the book: the BRF were concerned about hard core porn tapes featuring Meg - or a ‘lookalike’.”

Months ago there was a lot of chatter all over the web about this video, and someone posted the link in a DM comment. If you have the stomach for it, you can go to the Celeb Jihad website and type Meghan Markle in the search box. The woman featured in the video certainly is M’s “doppelgänger”, right down to the mole above her lip. The question I had was, had someone managed to put her head on another woman’s body via CGI? Why hasn’t M sued Celeb Jihad? They also have nude photos of her.

Please forgive me if this offends anyone.
Bennie said…
@Christine... Do you think they ( MM & JH ) could of visited earlier in the week & asked them to post it @ a later date?!?
lizzie said…
M might be pregnant. Some claimed she was in the reading video as she had gray hair showing (even in lockdown, DIY hair color exists) and was wearing that huge baggy shirt.

But I'm not sure. It looks like there is something dark to her right (An apron tie? Equipment?) that blends in with her belly.

I never realized she was so tall though. She looks to be the tallest woman in the room in the group photo. Is she on stilts? Of course, it's LA and some folks in the photo may be of an ethnicity that tends to be shorter.
xxxxx said…
CatEyes said...
All of you who liable me, I will send my dead mother, cancer-stricken brother, All My Children (at 11 on Channel 5), and my sword of powers of the Habsburg name to HAUNT all you who Torment me. I will ready my lawyers with a lawsuit, and have the sheriff on speed dial to report the further felonies of impersonation of my self. Engard!

The new and improved CatEyes is much better! Liable...lol Habsburg indeed.....
Grisham said…
In regard to Lady C book about MM not curtsying when they signed the register, they excited by where Doria was sitting. Harry did look back in the direction of HM but might also have been checking on Pa who was also going with them. When they returned, the video was focused on the young cello player, so we didn’t see.
Grisham said…
*exited not excited. I wish we could edit.

But anyway, I’m hoping for much more explosive details from Lady C than that.
Miggy said…
@Golden Retriever,

I had the misfortune of viewing that website and had to bleach my eyes afterwards!

I agree with you that facially it could be Meg's doppelganger but the body didn't appear to be hers. You would have needed to see her legs to be 100% sure!
CookieShark said…
The charity/volunteering work is fine for the organization. But I suspect she is a narcissist, so it's probably easy to be nice to people she doesn't care about.

The volunteer work does not change or mitigate at all the way she has appeared to publicly scorn her father, the way she has cruelly separated her husband from his family, the way she has complained bitterly at every turn, or the way she was so hateful towards HMTQ. We will never forget how stories quickly leaked after their exit, suggesting that the RF pay up or there would be interviews and tell-alls. Not to mention the utter lack of manners, and the way the rest of the RF has been put through the wringer since she came on the scene.
Christine said…
CookieShark- Agreed. It's easier to do charity work for strangers then to face your own family. The single biggest act of charity and kindness Meghan could do is to try to make up with her father. I would actually understand her not reaching out to her sister and brother since I don't think those relationships are salvagable, but her father.... he would forgive her in a heartbeat. To make some packages of food for people you do not know, while it is kind, is more for your own glory. She cannot do the things that would probably win her much more public good will. She can't and/or won't.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy

I came across a pic of her from that ugly video (without anatomically explicit details) and, unfortunately, I think it is possible it is her. We know her chest size and shape changed dramatically over time and the girl in the pic has a bigger pair of boobs, just like the young MM in the white shirt in that suggestive pose or in the red dress with the briefcase. I don't want it to be true - too gross but it fits. She was really struggling with no roles and admitted it was a tough time for her. It also fits the rumors Harry was marrying a porn actress that started very quickly after they got engaged. I personally saw an interview in which a guy admitted seeing a tape with her. So unfortunately there is a real possibility it is her. How embarrassing.
Hikari said…
@lizzie,

One last beat of a dead horse (Meg's degree). I don't suppose Lady Colin Campbell's book (on its way to me from the UK) will deal much, if at all, with anything of Meg's life before she got engaged to Harry. Lady C.'s contacts seem to be all well-connected to the Royal family, and that's really the dirt we are interested it, right? Meg's relationship to Will and Kate, Charles & the Queen. I'd love to see some of the animosity between Megsy and the Yorks dissected as well .. the merching deals, the PR, Fauxchie, Frogmore . . .any fibs Meg told about herself back when she was an undergraduate or a suitcase girl aren't of interest to Lady C.


1) The NW Theater major has lots of sub-areas. We don't know which M did. Might not have been Acting.

Well, that would illuminate a lot. Like why a woman who has relentlessly sought fame in Hollywood for the better part of 20 years is such a bad actress--if it were possible that Meg obtained a theatre degree from a top school without taking a single acting class. With Meg's love of the spotlight, which we saw at age 11, and even earlier in home movie footage, what other sub-area of Theatre Studies besides Performance would possibly be of interest to her? History of Theatre, too academic & dry. The technical side of theatre is too behind the scenes. Playwrighting? Meg fancies herself a writer of rare wisdom and insight . .but she never lets anyone else talk. She could only do monologues. All starring herself, naturellement.

Here's a thought: I assume that the Performance track would be extremely competitive and would require an audition in front of the faculty to be considered for the program. Perhaps Meg was not selected for the Performance track due to an unimpressive audition, and had to settle for another concentration. Apparently, the 'International Communication' concentration came after two years when she switched over from theatre studies, citing her theatre course 'not going anywhere.' Perhaps because she had failed to gain entry into the acting division and her other courses were boring her.

Meg has consistently tried to compete in an area vastly beyond her level of talent or other assets. There are many actors who manage to be successes without formal thespian training. Meg is not one such. Even with formal acting training, that raw, natural spark of aptitude is not there. If Meg is a narcissist (which I believe), her defining characteristic is a lack of empathy. This is not conscious on their parts--the portion of the brain which allows for emotions such as compassion and moral conscience is missing or cross-wired. Sociopaths (which include NPD) learn to mimic others in order to fit in (explaining too why Meg is so derivative of others' ideas and words)--makes me wonder if she got in trouble at school for plagiarism--an expellable offense at most colleges. Originality of ideas is not her strong suit. The theatre degree/communications school would have less rigorous standards for papers than say, the history department. Meg's main stumbling block to her ever developing the kind of talent which would warrant the kinds of Oscar-level roles she feels entitled to is that without the capacity for empathy, she cannot grasp at all want it's like to be another person. She cannot *feel* the way another person would feel, if her only feelings are all filtered back through her own lens. Meg feels deep and profound empathy with Meghan and her own victimhood, but I don't think she is capable of imagining how others think and feel. Without this ability, not only can she not understand and be successful in interpersonal relationships with other people, she can't successfully *pretend* to be fictional people in the context of an acting role. Her awful over-the-top "emoting" is the tin-pot pretense of what does not come naturally to her at all.

Hikari said…
I was questioning her degree on account of the timeline not really parsing, unless Meg did some summer school or got full credit for courses/internships partially completed, or if she got a bye on some of her course requirements due to her native charm and knack for making friends. (Interpret that how you will.) I believe her published birthday is accurate, but it seems incredible that she could have done so much coursework and been away from campus for part of her undergrad career due to travels abroad and still finished two concentrations in the standard 4 years. She could have done summer school, I suppose, though that really doesn't sound like Meg's style.

I myself majored in Communication Arts & Literature. The two disciplines were under the umbrella of the English department (along and shared faculty and some course requirements in common but were considered two different majors. One of my required courses was History of the Theatre. That was interesting and I enjoyed it; it was great preparation for my Shakespeare survey course two years later. Had I wanted to really get into theatre studies in a big way, I would have had to choose a different school since our department was not large enough to get really detailed in every sub-genre of everything encompassing language and the arts. In my junior year, I added the secondary English concentration, which necessitated that I take 20 or 21 credit hours for every semester of my last two years. A typical full-time course load was 16 credits, so my schedule was packed with at least 2 additional classes every term in order to finish on time. Toss in three different on-campus jobs and working away summers and I saw very little of my family for three years. So I'm puzzling over how Meg could effectively switch majors entirely after her sophomore year, be away from campus doing internships abroad for a significant chunk of at least one of her junior semesters due to travelling in South America and Europe and still graduate in 4 years. Surely an unconventional path like that would mean at least an extra semester, if not two, on campus to complete her work? Northwestern isn't a fluff school, even if Meg did choose a couple of the fluffier majors, I think they'd still be pretty demanding, considering NW's reputation.

After rushing her sorority, Meg was made recruitment chairperson .. a responsibility that could have come to her in her sophomore year, though officers are generally selected from the upperclassmen who have been part of the group for more than one year. Imagine--they put Meg in charge of deciding who was good enough to ask to join. Why does that seem so fitting? Of course only the pretty girls likely got invited to rush. But would they have given Meg an important officer job like recruitment if she wasn't even on campus for half a year or more? She may have only done it for one year, and she may have not even stayed in the sorority for more than a couple of years, but if she *was* recruitment chair, that was a lot of power to cede to a sophomore. If she was gone for a chunk of junior year, she wouldn't have been an officer then--doesn't seem too likely they would have made her an officer senior year if she'd been out of the campus loop and sorority life for months.

So many pieces of Meg's past just don't line up in a neat progression like most people's. Her biographers have their work cut out, that's all I can say.


Anonymous said…
@ Hikari Speaking as a Californian (although in the north but with friends in the industry): At the time Tom Markle was working on Married with Children, television was definitely the poor man’s child of Hollywood. The debut of series like GOT, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad changed all that (and industry types acknowledge that movies are now largely stale, dominated by the Marvel and DC franchises). Actors that would have turned their noses up on being offered a television role are now stomping all over dead bodies to get one. Times have changed and the cache of working on a popular series probably would pay better than it did in the past. I imagine that Tom Markle made a decent living off of his television work (and I assume he’s in a union), but given the universal opinion that the Markle bunch are horrible with money (Meghan has a closet full of Jinny Choo’s but STILL does not own a home), I imagine a lot of it was just frittered away. Also, that high school and college tuition probably ate into a lot of his extra cash. He probably gets a decent pension in addition to his social security.

My point being that L.A. is an industry town. There are lots of people who are the sons and daughters of people working in the industry. I doubt she benefitted one iota from her father’s job. Marrying Trevor, however.... And STILL she couldn’t make it in what is probably the most transactional field in the world. Even with her husband being a mildly successful producer, she never got beyond bit parts. And she began to age, which is the death knell for women who are attractive but only mildly decent actors. Which is why she “sexed” up her persona. Of course, sadly for her it typecast her as a sex kitten, which, irony of ironies, only cemented her inevitable insignificance in Hollywood’s eyes. She wasn’t young and sexy, and she wasn’t a cougar. A bad place to be. And along comes Harry...
Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

I personally saw an interview in which a guy admitted seeing a tape with her. So unfortunately there is a real possibility it is her.

I remember that interview too, so you're correct in saying it could possibly be her.
Also, I'd forgotten that she had a breast enlargement and then had them removed!
xxxxx said…
lizzie said...
I never realized she was so tall though. She looks to be the tallest woman in the room in the group photo. Is she on stilts? Of course, it's LA and some folks in the photo may be of an ethnicity that tends to be shorter.

https://twitter.com/HomeboyInd Your guess is correct. Hispanics-Mexicans etc are not as tall as Megsy. They visited Homeboy Industries which is a Christian charity that helps out in Boyle Heights, L.A. which is a Mexican area. -- They help out those (mostly Hispanic) involved in gangs and who have been in prison.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy

We can probably deduce even more. Remember there had been information that Megs was behind a blog about a struggling actress and her hardships? The blog existed before the Suits.

In it she complains about the need to "kiss old men with bed breath" or something like that. Now a little quiz: how many of her official one minute roles before the Suits include kissing?

Unless the episodes with her kisses were cut out from the films I don't recall many if any at all. Who and where did she have to kiss on film?
lizzie said…
@Hikari,

I think M could have easily gotten a full semester's credit for her Madrid study abroad semester. At least that's how it works today. Students are taking courses while abroad, not just traveling so they don't fall behind. Not sure about her internship in SA but she may have played victim there to get credit.

I could see M staying in Evanston for summer school if it meant a better social life than living with a parent in LA would have meant. And somewhere in all of this she had to meet Joe G (assuming that story is true.)
@WW
@Miggy I don’t think it really matters who they sign with, frankly. Neither of them have the talent or smarts to make this contract viable.

They don’t have the gravitas either. No substantial real life accomplishments, no triumph over adversity, no indication of exceptional character.
Just riding the coattails of the BRF.
Christine said…
Get a load of this article. The devil works hard but Meghan Markle is working harder.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8455897/Meghan-Markle-fans-viciously-attack-Prince-Charles-speech-diversity.html
Button said…
@Tatty,
.
If Dimwit and Megatron decide to ' go back to the UK ' they will have a most glacial welcome, especially after all the shite, insults, backhanded alleycat type of ' articles ' directed at HM, and the Cambridges. Canada doesn't want them, the United States doesn't want them, maybe they should go live in a yurt in Chunga Chunga. Tossers, the pair of them.
Midge said…
Here are the same pictures from Town and Country. May be an apron tie?
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a32960318/prince-harry-meghan-markle-masks-homeboy-industries-visit-photos/
Is she(aka Archie) suing the press Agency under American or English law? Isn't there s0mething about an action in the name of a child qualifying for Legal Aid? I just have a feeling that used to apply in England...
Hikari said…
@WW,

My point being that L.A. is an industry town. There are lots of people who are the sons and daughters of people working in the industry. I doubt she benefitted one iota from her father’s job. Marrying Trevor, however.... And STILL she couldn’t make it in what is probably the most transactional field in the world. Even with her husband being a mildly successful producer, she never got beyond bit parts. And she began to age, which is the death knell for women who are attractive but only mildly decent actors. Which is why she “sexed” up her persona. Of course, sadly for her it typecast her as a sex kitten, which, irony of ironies, only cemented her inevitable insignificance in Hollywood’s eyes. She wasn’t young and sexy, and she wasn’t a cougar. A bad place to be. And along comes Harry...

I agree absolutely with everything. Younger Meghan, post-surgeries, had her attractive moments, when she was being styled by professionals for her gig as 'up-and-coming beauty-about-town'. Some of her Tig-era photos are very nice. One wonders where all that polish went, after she became a Royal Duchess? When she was a hand-to-mouth starlet without a regular job, she looked very put together . . because she was still auditioning for that breakout role as 'a star'. With all the resources of the BRF at her disposal, she literally overnight morphs into looking like a homeless person who is getting dressed out of charity consignments that don't fit her and who obviously has NO idea how to style her own hair or makeup. 7 seasons on Suits and she never managed to master eyelash glue? I know other people were styling her then, but wouldn't she have watched and learned, picked up a few tricks to use for her Insta photos and important networking dinners with the guy(s) she'd tapped for her next meal ticket(s)?

Dealing with Meghan must feel a bit like shouting into a well, I imagine. Or bashing one's head against a brick wall. Nothing penetrates, and you only end up hurting yourself.

I think you are if anything too kind in referring to Meg as a 'mildly decent' actress. I guess that depends. I think she could have been 'mildly decent' in television commercials, which are very brief and don't allow any room at all for improvisation. Or I could see her shilling clothes on the QVC or equivalent. Bonus!--she could basically talk about herself for most of the segment, improvise her lines as long as she talked about the product and say 'I' as much as she wanted. Not any 'acting' involved--playing herself, which would be the draw of her channel. There was a lot of speculation at one point that Meg would take over for Vanna White on WoF. My take on that is absolutely no way. Even with the great money, Meg would never take a gig that didn't involve her tossing word salad. She'd be trying to run the show from the tiles, rendering Pat Sajak redundant.

If she were a mildly decent actress, she'd have been able to do a mildly decent job of pretending to work within the Royal family. She didn't even pass her probationary period. I think the BRF knew from the beginning that there was something very shady about Harry's bride. A mildly decent actress would have given them fewer clues and a truly skilful one wouldn't have shown her hand at all.

Should be getting more interesting by the day. I wonder if Guy the beagle will be bringing suit against the papers for publishing reports of his demise. I think that has to be next!
Jdubya said…
Not pregnant. Just no waist and maybe her bulky boyfriend shirt.

If the offensive photo occurred in Canada, by American news agency, why suing in Britain?
Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

Remember there had been information that Megs was behind a blog about a struggling actress and her hardships?

In it she complains about the need to "kiss old men with bed breath" or something like that. Now a little quiz: how many of her official one minute roles before the Suits include kissing?

Unless the episodes with her kisses were cut out from the films I don't recall many if any at all. Who and where did she have to kiss on film?


I did hear about that blog but never actually read it.
Can't say I've watched her act either. (small fib - managed about 30 seconds!)
As to kissing old men with bad breath - yuk! (but interesting!)
Miggy said…
The Daily Mail now running with their LA shenanigans.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry volunteer alongside former gang members at a bakery to prepare food for the vulnerable and elderly in Los Angeles


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8456517/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-volunteer-Los-Angeles-bakery-helps-former-gang-members.html
Hikari said…
In it she complains about the need to "kiss old men with bed breath" or something like that. Now a little quiz: how many of her official one minute roles before the Suits include kissing?

Here's food for thought: I doubt very much the 'old men with bed (sic)breath (typo or Freudian slip? lol)" were acting co-stars of Meghan's in the what, couple of cheesy Hallmark movies or her lone scene as 'Hot Girl on Plane' (no kissing or old men in that 'job')

Which disgraced Hollywood producer known to Meghan would qualify as an old man with bad breath, do you reckon? Initials HW. And/or some of his friends.

I still say that the visible animosity between the Duke of York and Meghan which predated Eugenie's wedding by over a year might have something to do with a shared mutual acquaintance. Not HW but another skeeze, JE. Or that Andrew himself may have shared Harry's brides favors in advance of Harry.

Speculation only, but Enty seems solid in his blind that HW had sex with the bride and enjoyed telling friends this. In the yachting world, I'd say HW counts as a 'whale'. In every sense of that word. I don't imagine a whale's breath is very nice either.
Miggy said…
Snipped from the article:- A representative of the couple said the Duke and Duchess 'connect deeply' with the organisation's mission (which includes resources such as counselling, education, legal assistance, addiction recovery and employment ops) and feel it's 'a perfect example of how empathy, kindness, and compassion can change the world.

Where's her empathy, kindness and compassion towards her father?
Miggy said…
@Hikari,

Oh please! You have now planted the most horrendous images in my mind!

Yuk... and double yuk!
Hikari said…
OT, but you'll thank me . . .

(In fact, Colbert performed soon after graduation in a tiny Chicago production of a play focusing on the feminist struggles of Susan B. Anthony and Joan of Arc. A reviewer noted Colbert, “who plays the marshal, the judge and other openly hostile characters, makes them all seem intelligent and dashing, not despicable.”)“


I am not a regular viewer of Stephen Colbert's show, but I have seen a number of his skits on YouTube. Here's the one that displayed to me SC's talent for playing tools and making them likeable. Here he is as 'Randy', officious rental-car agent with Dan Craig. If you haven't seen this before, you are in for a treat. He stays in character even with fake 'stache malfunctions and his co-star's giggle fit.

An Unseen Scene from 'SPECTRE'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV7d-hO0s60&t=212s
Bennie said…
https://jerseydeanne.com/category/hollywood/harry-and-meghan/


#MeghanMarkle sueing Splash is a fucking sham, I know for a fact that Meghan has organised pap shots in the past and I know for fact she
organised them with Splash. This sort of legal action isn’t just damaging for the agency
Hikari said…
A representative of the couple said the Duke and Duchess 'connect deeply' with the organisation's mission (which includes resources such as counselling, education, legal assistance, addiction recovery and employment ops) and feel it's 'a perfect example of how empathy, kindness, and compassion can change the world.

Where's her empathy, kindness and compassion towards her father?


Words, words, words, words, words.

Words are cheap.

As the Grinch says, all this is is noise, noise, noise, noise. No meaning behind it at all. She's desperate for pictures featuring herself . . that's it.
none said…
Re: the video ~ notice the female is wearing sneakers? Markle's feet are unique. The sneakers were added so make ID'ing the female difficult. The feet are a big tell.

If Markle's face was digitally added to the body, is it also possible to digitally add facial expressions of ohhhh and ahhhhh?
Grisham said…
@button oh I agree and I also doubt they care. (I mean they probably do care but they will act like they don’t.)
Grisham said…
I’m going to speculate now. IF she is pregnant or portraying a pregnancy, I put her at 4 months and due November/December 2020.

It’s that side photo. If you blow it up on IG, it looks like a snugly tied apron on a pregnant belly.

She plays though, so maybe it’s a hamburger baby.
Bennie said…
New Harrry Markle...

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/
Anonymous said…
@ Hikari. She strikes me as being purely mercenary in all her transactions, both personal and public. I don’t think she EVER intended to last much beyond the 18 months she was officially part of the royal family. It was never her jam. Why bother when she’d got what she wanted. Harry and a child to cement her self in that marriage. The marriage was all she cared about because it gave her (in her small mind) the cache that she felt she needed to return to Hollywood triumphant. Unfortunately for her, that meant burning a ton of bridges with the BRF, which had a very deleterious effect on her standing, generally. You do not diss the queen. But until recently I don’t think she cared because she was so effing delusional. She turned Harry over to the dark side and the two of them would ride into Hollywood and command. That is her world.

Also, and, yes, this is pure speculation, but it holds together as we know it. On Suits, she was contractually committed to show up and perform because if she didn’t, her character would be killed off. But when she nabbed Harry, I think that part of her appeal was that she was a party girl. Harry could indulge in all the drugs and drinking that he wanted (I never believed those stories about her stopping his drinking—the Tig was a walking advertisement for alcoholic beverages). He actually had found his “mate.” Someone who wasn’t prissy about the general kind of debauchery entitled, spoiled young men indulge in. This was obvious to me, and it was obvious to his friends, who parroted Philip when he said (basically), “Fuck her, don’t marry her.” But Harry was bound and determined because he didn’t like being told “no,” and she is probably killer in the sack. Remember Trevor said something like she was the hottest woman in California. I think that she’s been something of a modern-day courtesan for years.

Blathering on, the reason why she looked like the dog’s dinner had the time is that neither of them could afford to have a posse around them spilling the beans to Her Maj to what they were doing and indulging in. They were going solo. We always kept asking, why in the hell doesn’t she get someone to do her hair properly? Shouldn’t she have a hairdresser on staff? I don’t think they HAD staff except for their PR endeavors. It would be too risky. Hence her crappy make-up, unwashed hair, merched clothing that didn’t fit, and Harry’s unpressed suits and the shoes with holes, both of them looking like they’d been up all night partying and threw on whatever was closest at hand. They looked like that because they were up all night partying.

Once she knew that Harry would back her up on anything she proposed, she didn’t have to make any effort. It also explains why she was constantly saying fuck you to protocols and wearing completely inappropriate outfits with her boobs spilling out of too small bras. I think Harry admired this on some deep-seated sick level because he’d never been able to do that. She became his avatar of defiance where the “Firm” couldn’t tell her what to do. It turned him on, obviously.

Basically, she didn’t HAVE to care. Her initial game plan had worked. Once she got the ring, that was it for her. She thought she was set. I don’t think it’s going to quite work on like they planned. And I mean “they.” Harry was always on board with this (except for the Archie thing because I think that he was shocked by it initially, but then she convinced him it would be a great bargaining chip in his war against the BRF).
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Hikari and Miggy

Here is the link to the article about her struggling actress blog

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5428533/Meghan-Markles-secret-diary-soul-baring-blog.html

"Bed" breath was my autocorrect having ideas of its own but very fitting in this case. In her blog she actually called them "actors with smelly breath" who she had to kiss and then cry because she couldn't take it any more.

My question stands - where did she have to kiss multiple actors on film before Suits?
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Holly

The rumor about her taking part in saucy videos was extremely persistent from very early on.

Having seeing her cheesy pictures in suggestive poses I can't say I am surprised it emerged.

There are people who know the truth and they are silent for now. I am also sure if the tapes with her are real there are people who have them. They are worth a huge deal now one way or the other.

I have read speculation there had been some frantic cleaning by the near-royal forces to eliminate the tracks of her more colorful career pre-wedding, but they could not have deleted everything. There are plenty of her images circulating she would rather never see again.
Hikari said…
@tatty,

You asked for opinions on Markle's use of doubles.

I think she has employed them in the past, yes. Usually in situations where the shots are so remote that the figures involved could literally be anybody. I'm thinking specifically of the long-range shots from last summer of H. & M. ostensibly having lunch in a completely deserted pub on a Bank Holiday weekend--mind you, this was before COVID 19. Two fuzzy figures as shot through a window. A dark haired woman in short shorts with her back to the window. An equally fuzzy guy with a beard that looked like it might be ginger wearing a ball cap, but the image was really low resolution. A baby carrier on the table which may or may not have contained either a live baby or a doll.

This photo appeared, not the day or two after the story hit the tabloids about their roast pub lunch but a good week or more later--after the owners of the pub had *denied in print* that Harry and Meg had ever patronized their establishment, the past bank holiday or any other time. Now, why would the owners deny hosting two royal patrons who could only drive business to their establishment? But Meg was so determined to jam that story down our throats that after an interval, she produced this picture to refute the owners of the establishment. How is this sensible? Why would an authorized photo of the couple having lunch been taken from the outside, through a window, some distance away? A papp shot? But Meg doesn't LIKE papp shots and she doesn't tolerate them! That's why Archie is suing on his own behalf at the age of 14 months! (Well, Meg says he's that age.)

The other instance was the photo of them getting on/off Elton's private jet last summer. No faces visible, and again extremely far away. It is my contention that it's not terribly difficult to cast a 'Meg' and a 'Harry' using actors. One lanky pale guy with ginger hair looks very like another from 100 feet away with a ball cap on. A petite tawny skinned woman with a dark wig or long dark hair can look very like Meg if all we see is the back of her head.

I think the Meg and Harry we have seen in Los Angeles are really them. I had considered that the first stint of 'delivering meals to the homeless' were possibly doubles, but both H. & M. have very distinctive ways of walking/moving their feet, and then there is of course the distinctive Claw and what Meg does with it. The body language on that occasion said the real McCoy, though it would be even easier to hire doubles these days--with a mask, ball cap and pair of sunglasses, I bet even Pope Francis could impersonate Meg from a distance. (j/k)

The most recent picture I think is them. Meg's in the front row, just where she likes to be. Harry, lurking behind her looks quite diminished. Hazza is 6'1" and used to be robust. He is not robust any longer but normally looks much taller in relation to Meghan--but he is standing a row and a couple of feet behind her which would shorten the perspective.

The organization thanks them by name in a lengthy Insta post, so unless an charity was willing to commit fraud over a picture that included that many people (I count 22 people besides the Sussexes) they were actually there.

This was the picture I was looking at. This article does not specify which day was meant by 'yesterday'--I imagine the date stamp is on the organization's Insta page.
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https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a32960153/prince-harry-meghan-markle-volunteer-homebody-industries/
Hikari said…
@Fairy,

In her blog she actually called them "actors with smelly breath" who she had to kiss and then cry because she couldn't take it any more.

My question stands - where did she have to kiss multiple actors on film before Suits?


I have another question . . .she wanted to be a famous actress in Hollywood, with Angelina or Jennifer Aniston's careers and level of fame on the A-list . .and she was (very) willing to exploit a 'hot and sexy' persona to get there . . and yet kissing scenes as a requisite for the kinds of roles she was likely to be offered came as a complete shock/surprise/disgust?

It's all part of the job, baby. Actors have been simulating romance since the first motion pictures were made, and before that, onstage. Acting is pretend, and kissing is part of the deal. If that makes you uncomfortable, or you find it morally repugnant, you don't have to choose acting as a profession. Being a 'working actress' not willing to play-act kissing is kind of like applying for a job working the grill at McDonald's and complaining how gross it is that you have to cook meat.

Yes, there's #MeToo and all that . . but I don't see kissing scenes every disappearing completely from movies even so.

Personally, I think Meg is conflagrating the yachting clients with smelly breath with phantom acting co-stars she never had. She couldn't exactly confess to the yachting, but that was basically the primary 'acting' experience that she had at that time, pre-Suits.

You think?
just sayin' said…
I gathered from an earlier discussion that Lady C’s book will hint that Archie is adopted.

Therefore, I think MM is trying to establish herself as Archie’s mother by filing a privacy protection lawsuit on his behalf. Isn’t that what a good mother would do? Ever the actress. Smoke and mirrors.
Piroska said…
Just looked at DM Homeboy photos. Could be anyone behind those masks and nets.
Also wondering about the Archie lawsuit; if photos taken in Canada and sold by a US based company does UK High Court have jurisdiction?
Jenx said…
@hikari Yes, I think it is the smelly old men on yachts to which she refers.

@ piroska I agree. It could be anyone behind the masks. I believe it is her but not entirely convinced it was him. He doesn't have the right set to the eyes - the beady Charles eyes. Dude in the picture has serial killer eyes. :)

Who knows about the lawsuit. Maybe it was filed in the UK because the alleged child is allegedly a member of the BRF.

With Charles getying roasted, the RF must realize by now that she isn't going to stop. They just can't 'never complain, never explain this psycho barnacle away. They will have to deal with it.
Hikari said…
Just looked at DM Homeboy photos. Could be anyone behind those masks and nets.

I wanted to say the same, but Meg's piercing Dorian Grey eyes and her distinctive forehead are right there, front and (nearly) center. She's off to the side a little from dead center.

The one we need to be concerned with is Harry, since it is he who seems to have been inexplicably in two places over the same few days. Harry's physicality is pretty distinctive, so I don't think it's that easy to obtain a double of him as it would be for Meg.

Who the hell knows for sure with these two, but if that's not the real Meg and Harry, Homeboy Industries and its crew of 22 people in this picture with the Sussexes would have to maintain that charade and keep that secret. These are all former gang members pictured here--would they be able to not talk about a fake Harry and Meg photo op? Would a charity agree to a fraud like this in exchange for a donation? That would leave a bad taste in my mouth if so. The other times they plausibly used doubles were their own little DIY projects and did not involve other people or the social media platform of an established charity. So I think this one's real, but I don't rule out there having been doubles other times.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Hikari

Yes, ironically enough it is her absolute determination to hustle to the top whatever it takes that convinces me she could go beyond conventional acting, so to say.

In our sick society a struggling talentless actress using her body in porn would not shock anybody, but people still take exception about the member of the royal family doing this.

I remain convinced there had been cleaning of her various messes before the wedding but traces are still there to be found if attention is paid and logic is used. Also internet is pretty much forever. Anybody can find the interview with the guy who said he saw her tapes.

We called out her lies about being in the IH Catholic school during the 1993 riots and we are now calling her "kissing actors with smelly breath" comment too.

None of us is perfect but there is a limit Markle overstepped when she called the whole country racist because people didn't warm up to her. She is in no position to demand automatic love and respect, as her emerging past confirms.
Jenx said…
@hikari Maybe they were told it was Just Harry and believed it. No reason not too. Tall red headed guy with an accent. The only 2 who could be held accountable for such a misrepresentation would be her and him. Whoever him is.

But like evetything else in the world right now - who really knows?
Grisham said…
@hikari I agree the pub photo was sketchy and I even wondered if a rag created the pic and published it for color to the story.
Hikari said…
FC,

I haven't read the 'roasting of Charles' comments yet, but if she is now throwing HIM under the bus, well, F. me, there's nobody left but the Queen herself. Is Meg gonna call her a racist out of touch robotlike old lady with smelly breath? I can't wait for that.

Have you seen the Crown? In one of the episodes, a journalist (who also happened to be a member of the nobility) who criticised the young Queen's speechmaking abilities was literally punched upside the head by a disgruntled member of the public that took umbrage against criticism of his Queen. What a shame Meg is no longer in England because she'd have a helping of that coming to her. She's already labeled them racist bullies so what's more to lose?

Charles gave her everything. EVERYTHING. And this is the thanks he gets. Meg is completely deranged and desperate now . . .because Lady C.'s book drops tomorrow and with it, perhaps the Truth about Archie. She is frantic to throw a distraction, any distraction.

The Royal family has had plenty of time to regret their acceptance of her into their ranks. They did so, and gave her everything to avoid being charged as racists . . but we see that everything they feared has come to pass regardless of what they did for her.

This is why you NEVER give into a blackmailer. Even if it's your own kid/grandkid/whatever. Meghan has been a complete nightmare for the BRF and the nightmare is really just beginning.
Miggy said…
There's a new Lady C video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-hKeAI8W4
Indy said…
@MustySyphone, when you sue on behalf of a minor only one person can be doing it. Both parents cannot. They're probably using the EU's Right to Erasure or Right to be Forgotten. That hadn't changed with Brexit. And Canada has stricter laws about it. So we're they already in California ( when she flew back after dropping the mexit bomb) and that's where the pic was taken? The landscape is more Cali than Vancouver. It's just too many questions !! But it seems like a distraction but also something else going on.

@Hikari, the only thing I disagree with you on is Harry not being the father in a surrogate situation. She once said she had eggs frozen and I would bet she had Harry give a "sample " , possibly while engaged . Hence the smile between them during the vows about children. They maybe planned all along to have a surrogate and Harry said "are you sure it mine " because if that. I honestly think he thought they would wait and she went ahead without telling him and told the clinic and the surrogate to get started. Earlier than he wanted and that's why he was shocked . But I think he's the dad DNA wise.

@Button, I'm not too sure the RF would be upset if the world found out at this point. They could use the "we didn't know at first and we decided to support them in what they wanted people to know or not know". It really would make H&M bad lol.

@Christine, what if they did the Homeboys video last week. The only reason I'm suspicious is because they've been caught before by dates. Ex, the pic of HM, PP greeting him in Windsor has the same data , date, as the christening pics and looks like some eere photoshopped into the pic, especially Will. There have been other times "sleuths " have discovered this. FUNNY THING ,the pics of them at Homeboy have the date taken off the exfil. So they know people are checking. Some are checking the pics this charity put on their SM site to see if that date is erased also . Like if they were embargoed until given the ok as the pics M&H are credited to them. It's do confusing ,especially when they use their own paps.
If Meghan Sue's for the use of royal she's stupid and won't win. Imagine the RF lawyers and think of how they could drag it out until they run out of money lol. But if it looks like they have a chance parliament will take away their titles and they cannot present themselves if Duke and Dutchess of anything. HM can take away the HRH but parliament has to take away the Sussex titles and they will if these two fools insist on merching royal.



Think about the scenario if they were to actually win about using royal. Everyone in the world will see the whole ukgly court case as it happens. I can't imagine anyone , esp celebs, corporations etc, hiring them at all because their Sussex Royal they fought for is so tainted and dirty. They really are stupid.


Miggy said…
Oooooh....... and my book's arrived! :)

Button said…
What I find very odd in that insane law suit, Megatron lists herself as ' litigation friend? '. Why wouldn't she put Mother, or Mum, or parent? And now she is having her army of very unstable dangerous and scary ' fans ' that are attacking Charles? Holy shite..What the hell does she have on the BRF where they will not retaliate?
jessica said…
Is it just me, or is the BRF going to have to change title discretion parliamentary now?

I could give a toss about titles, but they seem important in the UK. What importance do they have? And maybe now they can change it to you can’t get one based on marriage. Which would be good.
Re the lawsuit: it was filed in March, right ahead of Megxit. Announced (leaked) now, why? And could Harry look any more emasculated than to have an American wife file the lawsuit in a British (or EU?) court? I mean really, one would think HE would take charge in his own country. But he may no longer have male body parts....

As to the latest pap shot--maybe its them and maybe it isn't. It was probably from at least a week ago, they do love to hold on to things and leak them when needed not when current. Or maybe its actors, I know we wear masks everywhere so they could have shown up masked and I doubt anyone there would know the difference.

Why in heaven's name would Doria live in TPs house? She has her own house and partner something like 10 miles away. Me, I'd rather go home at night to the hubs and my own bed.

Too much weird doo doo here.
CookieShark said…
I suspect the food prep photos were released today to compete with Prince William's visit in Oxford. I wonder how they're always aware of what other Royals are doing.
DesignDoctor said…
Nutty--I am so glad you have taken some R&R to enjoy the glorious summer weather!
jessica said…
If they want to argue for Royal, let them. It just means anyone and everyone can also use the term, and they will. So moot point. They won’t be anymore branded royal than you nor I, if we started a Royal Endeavor (TM).

I think Meghan filed in the UK, because she’d have no case in the USA, so squeezed every last potential ‘privacy’ case for whatever goal or reason prior to ‘leaving the RF’ and decamping to the US. At least we won’t be seeing those anymore. Free for all.

DesignDoctor said…
@Hikari

Totally agree with your multiple posts in this thread. She was given everything, had the opportunity for a fabulous, bankrolled lifestyle and threw it all away because of her ego and narcissism?

I was looking at a slideshow of the breathtaking gardens at Highgrove https://flowermag.com/highgrove-gardens/ tonight and imagining the pure joy of relaxing in them and other royal gardens--living with that kind of beauty with gardeners to maintain them. Who throws that opportunity away?
DesignDoctor said…
Yes, I think MM's moment has past. Karma, AKA COVID-19, finished her off.
Hikari said…
Indy,

Re. Harry’s paternity

I actually proposed the identical scenario as you listed above on the previous thread. Knowing How important it was to Meg’s plan for her to secure a Royal anchor baby ASAP, And with her eggs already on ice in Toronto, Which she had harvested After Trevor, when she was bass for half the year in Canada, I could totally see her finagling a sample from Harry During one of his frequent visits to Toronto when she was in the love bombing phase. When you’re in the first blush of sexual infatuation with someone, It seems like that emotional high will last forever, and you were And you’re prone to agree to anything your partner suggests. If this is the way it went down, She would’ve appeased Harry’s anxieties by assuring him that it was just insurance for later, in case they had trouble conceiving naturally. She would’ve played along with the agreement to not have kids for at least two years. He may have agreed to try IVF. Pursuing surrogacy presented problems which should have been apparent to even somebody with Harry’s capabilities. It would have been drilled into him and William since puberty that as Royal princes, their choice of wife and the creation of babies impacted the Crown. Wouldn’t the ‘of the body’ rule of his canonically blessed wife been something he was all too aware of? Would any agreement from him to participate in IVF or surrogacy with her be in any way binding of they weren't engaged yet never mind married? Hey seems to have been complicit in some degree Given their mutual Smirks on the wedding day. But why would he then be having blazing rows over ‘the pregnancy’ and asking if it was real, or really hi

I can think of another explanation, But it would involve some fraud on the part of the clinic, So that’s debatable: What if Harry did provide a sample at a clinic thinking that it was solely to test his fertility— given his previously discussed irregularity—And it was used without his consent to make an embryo? Sometime after this Harry broke it off With Meg for the better part of a year—Did she finally rope him back in By cornering him On his next visit to Toronto And reveal that they actually Had already created a potential child? Did she threaten to sell that embryo to the highest bidder and reveal all unless he married her? Within Two weeks of that encounter, She moved her self to London, And a month after that they were engaged. With the ring on her finger either just before or just after the wedding ceremony, I think she got the ball rolling on the surrogate. Short of evidence that harry committed murder, This could be his very bad thing she used to blackmail him into marriage along with his whole family.
Mel said…
Hikari...it's possible that the clinic thought they had his consent. They might know him only under a pseudonym. Or his consent might not have been legit? Although that's a little deep into conspiracy theory. However, given the way she lies, and is so secretive, it might not be all that far off. And rules might not have been followed to the tee, given who they are?
Hikari said…
That is a theory only of course. I think if we are looking for evidence That the baby we have seen is half Harry and half Markle we will see it. And if we are looking for proof he isn’t theirs, we will find that. We cannot even be sure which baby we have seen is Archie, if Archie in fact exists. Meg did not carry him, of that I am certain. If those two did use science to create a baby, It’s really remarkable how parental is not. They both seem to forget for long stretches of time that they are supposed to be parents in fact. There’s all the weirdness with the doctors photos timestamps that don’t match, lack of any corroborating witness signatures to this birth and the fact that master Archie seems to share the knack of his mother in looking very different on every occasion. I am not convinced that we have been seeing the same child over the last year. It seems to me there have been at least three or possibly four different ones—Or more if you count the Instagram photos.

The Very lively happy boy we saw on Meg’s lap recently displayed no recognition of her as anybody he knows. Same went for the little tyke in South Africa, Who may or may not have been the same child. He did not look like the same baby she carried off The plane on the same trip, Which might go a ways to explaining why that baby was bundled up in a wool sweater and a wool hat that had most of his face despite it being Warm in September in South Africa. Thanks get curiouser and curiouser surrounding this child with every passing month. It’s all right she is in fact adopted and therefore neither of theirs genetically, That will be yet another wrinkle.

Archie Is a mystery Wrapped in an enigma, and I personally would be very shocked if she can actually prove with about a shadow of a doubt that she has custody of him. Or frankly if there is a child called Archie at all that exists in the world. She seems to have trademarked his name A year before her wedding, so he’s always represented a brand to her more than an actual child.
Grisham said…
@hkari I seem to remember a lot of notarized forms when DH and I went through infertility issues. I don’t think they could use H’s sample without him standing there and saying they could use it.
jessica said…
I really truly believe while the BRF suspected Meghan would be trouble, she pretended to be from their class and status. The fact she acts so low class after all is said and done, is really the most shocking thing. I’m not even sure the BRF thinks of her as apart of their enterprise and monarchy and more in shock and amazement at her lack of decorum
Hikari said…
@tatty

I agree that no reputable clinic Would create life without the consent of both parties. But perhaps Meg’s clinic is less than reputable. Or Harry did sign papers willingly exactly what it meant. Reading the fine print is not his strong suit. If he struggled with the language on the forms, He might have signed without full understanding. Or he might have taken her at her word, silly boy in love, That nothing would be done With his genetic material until he was ready. This is all conjecture that it even happened like this, but Harry’s behavior on the Australian tour and subsequent does not seem like a man who had fully participated In a surrogacy arrangement and was joyfully looking Forward to being made a father before his first anniversary. Ever since megs announcement at Euge’s wedding, Harry’s demeanor has changed And he’s acted sandbagged. If he was fully aware of these proceedings and had willingly made his genetic contribution, Why would he ask surprised and ask questions about it within earshot of staff?

When he was single, Harry was oft quoted as saying that he couldn’t wait to have kids, But when presented with the actual scenario of having a child, Things got too real, And he’s never seemed happy about it. Dazed maybe, thrilled, not so much. This forces me to conclude that his desire for kids was more appealing PR gloss from ELF. I get intimations from members of Harry’s own family That he is not cut out for parent material. Being cute for cameras with other peoples’ children Which he used to excel at isn't really that hard. So I have many doubts about Harry’s level of involvement with Archie, Either in creating him or being in involve dad on a day to day basis.
Still thinking on the Doria, MA, MM all living together. If Harry really is in UK, this is starting to look like Invictus Games shenanigans all over again. I.E. planning, schemings, etc.
@Hikari

I agree with your post re Harry as Daddy. Not really seeing or hearing a lot of gushing. And you would think a picture of all three together, out for a walk or in the pool or something.
Grisham said…
@hikari that would have to be an illegal back alley fertility clinic lol. The forms aren’t detailed or wordy as I remember. They were very straight forward and clear; east to understand, etc...

It’s a bit soap opera for my tastes, but I know you are exploring scenarios
Bennie said…
What next??? Does anyone think they can make milllions?


"CASH & HARRY Prince Harry and Meghan Markle could earn £1m per speech after signing to same agency as Serena Williams and the Obamas"

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11946979/harry-meghan-1m-speech-agency-obamas/
Hikari said…
Another question for debate: Was Marcus Anderson involved with the plot to create Archie, and just how closely was he involved if so?

Marcus is gay, and is a past/maybe current lover of Edward Enninfull. There are photographs of those two together looking very cozy, And I don’t think that it’s any big secret and they are comfortably out in the circles they run in. Marcus could possibly be bi. I don’t know exactly the level of his intimacy with Meg if any Or if he’s actually in Tyler Perry’s house as claimed. Did Meg import Marcus To threaten a wavering Harry who was talking divorce? If Doria is there too, Then that’s a reconvening of the coven that ambushed Harry at Invictus in 2017. LA Still has a lot of restrictions And Doria’s got her own home and partner.

I think if Marcus, with or without Doria is there, Archie is most certainly not. This is kind of sounding more and more like Roman Polanski’s house before Helter Skelter. Something really bad is coming, but it’s unclear for whom.
Ozmanda said…
@Unknown - i have had a long held theory about Archie and the marriage thing. (unproven, but all the bits seem to increasingly fit).

Here is what i think happened - i think Sparrkles has been planning this for quite some time, but i am unsure if she targeted harry straight away, i feel she may have tried it on william at some point. But her "date" with hazmat was a pay for play situation set up by Markus (and possibly someone else). Haz thought of it as a brief thing, move on - but she told him she was pregnant and was either threatening to go to the press with it *or* has something else on him (considering his behaviour, this isnt out of the realm of possibility). Due to her being "pregnant" he was forced to marry her but discovered that either 1) she was with child and it was lost or 2) never was preggers. In their(or her) rush, they found a surrogate and that deal fell through, forcing them to obtain a child somewhere (adoption or another surrogate).

By isolating him from his support network, he has no choice but to be with her, as he lacks the ability to live independently. I think she has another pregnancy plan lined up for for the right moment when it looks like he will cut her loose.

I also cant help but wonder if Markus made a donation to the creation of this child, however i doubt it as if she had half a brain she should be making she as least some of the child's DNA is harry's so she has a line of succession card to play.

Again just my theory - but taking the following factors into account -

The wedding looked a bit rushed, with guest lists, arrangements etc not following the usual protocols.
The timelines have been shown to be out of wack
ERveryone knows about the child birth debacle, including the "rogue" tweet about adoption/surrogacy that was deleted.
Archie has not once been photographed with anyone else in the family, other then the christening photo.
There are other factors, but have to get back to work:)
Ozmanda said…
@Hikari - i think Markus has been in on it from the beginning. It is a bit of a open secret
that he has essentially been her pimp, and i also think he is smart enough to have a nice dossier collected on both her and/or Harry. i Also think Sparkles is using either him or her mother to funnel monies to from the various deals. I bet if we saw financvial accounts we are going to see random companies in their names that will likely be shell companies to hold money for her.
Hikari said…
@tatty

You are right… It is very soap operatic.

I challenge any team of soap opera writers now working To come up with a storyline that is more of a doozy then the narrative we’ve been subjected to for the last 2+ years. Were it anyone else but Meg we were talking about, I would reject outright 85% of what we bandy around here As so outlandish has to be science fiction. But Meg thrives on drama and secrecy, And there appear to be no links to what she will not go to get what she wants. The prospect of violating social mores and contracts, Or outright breaking the law, Thanks which curb other peoples Actions doesn't faze her. I am just trying to find an explanation for Harry’s quizzical behavior in this marriage. Meg is more predictable than he is. At times he doesn’t appear to be a free agent, but other times he seems to be openly thumbing his nose at his family as a fully complicit partner in the current insanity. Although they both try to white wash their relationship as having lasted more than 18 consecutive months before the engagement, The fact is come out now that from Christmas of 2016 until the following September, Harry was not seeing her anymore except for one brief reunion at Tom Inskip’s wedding in April That was a social obligation only considering that she had been previously invited as his plus one before they broke up. Everyone was frankly aghast that she showed up. I’m wondering if Harry had made a similar prior arrangement with her back when things are hot and heavy in their dating life to have a fertility arrangement with her That he assumed would be called off since they were no longer together. Something occurred to force hairy back together with her and for us and engagement and marriage, And I don’t think it was simply that Harry was thrilled to reconnect with her. He was done with her, But She obviously refuse to accept that. She compelled him with something as yet unknown,
Something shameful that he felt unable to get out of. If he was down from the beginning with her plan to defraud his family and become a superstars on their own, Why avoid her for eight months, and then suddenly get engaged within six weeks? My fertility clinic scenario is just a variation on the classic gambit “You got me pregnant so we have to get married.”
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If you want my honest opinion, I think Harry might have been C struck at first, When she was just an exotic party girl from America.
He could fly off to Canada for clandestine dirty weekends with her, Get loaded and play out his fantasy of being “just a regular bloke”—Albeit a regular bloke In a luxury suite at Soho House. Then she started demanding things like a commitment and getting tedious. I don’t think Carrie was looking for a wife. Meg had other ideas and she brought out something fir a convincer, aided and abetted by Marcus Anderson.

I really was not a conspiracy theorist whatsoever until Meg blew into the scene. Honest. She is a one woman conspiracy factory.
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Grisham said…
Well, put it this way.... I’m here trying to figure stuff out also. I keep seeing “Stefano” in my head lol.
Aquagirl said…
@Hikari: I agree that MM is a one-woman conspiracy factory. I have never examined someone’s life/lies as much as I have hers.

That being said, I know that JH is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but it’s hard for me to imagine that he agreed to donate his sperm before the engagement. As you’ve said, they were broken up for approximately 9 months before Toronto IG. Prior to that, we have no idea how often they were even together. They either met in May or July (probably May), but we have no idea if they even went to SA together given that she was the Maid of Honor in her friend’s wedding during that supposed time frame. There are so many more examples such as this (I think I initially read them on Harry Markle) where she was pretending that she was with him in London but he was actually away at an official engagement and she was alone in a hotel in London. She’s her own worst enemy, because so much of her life was documented on the Tig that it’s easy to prove/dis-prove supposed dates (but clearly, she never thought that anyone would check.) I think that she was initially his booty call and she tried to make it more than that. I find it hard to believe that they spent a great deal of time together given the distance. In my opinion, the only way she was able to get his sperm is without his permission/knowledge, but idk enough about clinics to know if this is even possible. Can you just ‘drop off’ someone’s sample?

I have always believed that Markus is the father and that a surrogate carried the baby. Maybe that’s why he dropped out of sight after the baby shower when all of the pregnancy questions came to a head. I do believe that JH was blackmailed at IG, but as I’ve said before, it could’ve been a drunken, drugged up Harry in a three-some (with another man) that was filmed at SoHo House.

In any case, if MA & DR are actually with MM, that’s bad news for someone. Maybe JH threatened to leave and they’re getting ready for blackmail round 2. Or maybe they’re planning their legal defense.


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MM has often used stand-ins for JH. And now it’s even easier with people wearing masks. I do not believe that the person in the recent charity photo is JH. Nor do I believe that she’s ‘pregnant’. There’s no way that she could get away with this a second time.
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@Hikari et al

“ The fact is come out now that from Christmas of 2016 until the following September, Harry was not seeing her anymore except for one brief reunion at Tom Inskip’s wedding in April ”

Where has that information been published? I’m just curious.
Hikari said…
Ozmanda,

Welcome back! You have been missed.

In regards to the elusive Mr. Anderson. Do You remember last year around the time that magazine did her Vogue issue, A cryptic post from Marcus’s Instagram account was making the rounds that listed himself as Father in his bio section? Things that make you go hmmm. Then that kind of disappeared, and Marcus went underground and really hasn’t been seen or heard from since, until now when he all of a sudden turns up as a housemate of Meg and Harry at Tyler Perry’s?

Just like Archie, this guy keeps turning up in the most unexpected places and times. He was a guest at megs infamous baby shower in New York, along with George Clooney, or so they legend went. A photo of George arriving at the mark would have been a huge get, but we never saw him. We saw his wife, and we saw Marcus walking with Meg on the way to their night out on the town when she had conveniently left her bump back in the hotel room. If Marcus was Edward Enninful’s boyfriend, It wouldn’t rule him out as a sperm donor, but it would make a sexual relationship with Megan less likely. When I saw him at the shower, I just assumed that he was Megan’s gay BFF. Why else would a man be interested in attending a baby shower with diaper cookies and stupid games? Not to be sexist, but baby showers are generally a women only thing. The only man that might attend such a thing is the perspective father, but even then that’s a little weird. Baby shower is an excellent opportunity for the father to be to go grab some beers with his buddies and then show up during the last 20 minutes of the shower with a bouquet of flowers for his glowing wife. Least ways That’s how it works where I’m from. Even if the man is thrilled to become a daddy, it doesn’t follow that he wants to spend two hours Watching his wife open baby onesies and peering at smashed up candy bars in a diaper. Maybe the games at megs party were more chi chi, Or maybe they just spent a couple of hours drinking because nobody in that room is pregnant.

Marcus does seem to be very intimately involved with Megan and Harry in some fashion. He would be a dangerous friend to have, because whatever dirt he has on H., He have even more dirt to ruin Meg If he knows all the kinds of special services she may have provided to his guests in the past or if he has first-hand knowledge of the surrogacy/fake pregnancy plot.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas as the saying goes. Megan and Harry are covered in fleas, And the dog in this scenario is not Guy the beagle. There was another interesting rumor circulating about Marcus a while back. He grew up in Peterborough, Ontario. And was born the year after HRH Prince Andrew had spent a term at Peterborough College, Where he was quite popular with the local lassies. I discounted this rumor all together, Because by that logic, Andrew could be responsible for all the children born in Peterborough within nine months of his visit, And not even Randy and he could cut that wide a swathe. One might expect the verifiable love child and prince Andrew to Be doing something else with his life perhaps. The murkiness of Marcus’s origins Does lead to speculation. He and Meg have that in common.


Faltering Sky said…
Page Six November 2014

https://pagesix.com/2014/11/20/millers-pregnant-wife-blasts-his-ex-girlfriend-baby-mama-online/


This was a very well-known story in the US at the time and I would be amazed if mm were not aware of the story regarding Bode Miller's girlfriend fishing a used condom from the trash. Just a thought! Absolutely believe mm capable of this type of treachery.
Unknown said…
@xxxxx
@CatEyes Impersinator of my sister

I am very upset you keep slandering my family especially my sister and my dead mother. You are a little man and probably suffer from an inferiority complex. I just found out I have a recurrence of the fourth stage cancer I beat about 2 years ago and don't need your shit in our lives. Man up and call me since you think know id about her. I am a Christian so I won't write what I think of you. And to the woman that runs this blog you ought to be ashamed of yourself for allowing this and really helping these cretins.
Ozmanda said…
@HIkari - thankyou I have been away for work stuff. I agree with all of that, I think Markus was in it for the long game, and initially Migraine was on board, however she is not intellectually capable of a long term plan. Her narcissism and lack of basic critical thinking capabilities probably thought "long game" meant lunchtime. His mistake was recruiting someone who was just so thirsty for attention that she didn't have the capability to stick to the plan. You have to give kate credit, she was in it for the long haul and learnt the way it was done and is now doing a great job - even if this was a "plan" for her and the family, she has earnt her current position.

If the reports of Markus moving in is true, then something is about to go down *OR* we may expect another pregnancy announcement in about 6 weeks :)
Indy said…
What was the adoption / surrogate announcement that was deleted?? I haven't heard about that.
Hikari said…
@Golden

I refer you to the excellent and exhaustively comprehensive resource The Harkle Debacle Timeline over on Nutty’s fellow blogger’s page, Harry Markle. It was this timeline in particular that first got me interested in the potential con being run by Harry’s new wife. Even with how weird that wedding was, I excepted at face value the narrative that they were soulmates Who had found each other after a whirlwind courtship and were sincere. Before I discovered this blog, I was reading Harry Markle. She is a Briton who appears to be versed in issues of British law and monarchy, Does exhaustive research before supplying receipts and seems to have made it some thing of a one woman mission to unmask Meg’s giant con since even before the engagement. I think she’s been posting since 2016, since Meg first outdid herself as Harry’s girlfriend. She was among the very first, if not the first blogger to smell That a rat had her beady eyes on the house in Windsor.

She is just a blogger and therefore her entries are speculative, but she has done her homework and cite chapter and verse megs very sick Tivitt he‘s over a period of three years and more. Her and she’s a very instructive. You are not going to find Exact corroboration in main stream media publications, because most of them that carry articles about the Royals have been paid off by Meg’s PR firms To support her narrative of the relationship with Harry. A narrative that is deeply suspect since the duo proved their own engagement Interview That they couldn’t even agree on the day they first met. You might already be familiar with Harry Markle But I have not seen a more detailed description of the progression of this Relationship.

We keep hearing how William told Hazza That he was rushing too precipitately Into marriage with this woman who’s intentions he didn’t really know. If Harry and Megan’s relationship had truly continued unbroken for nearly 2 years, That didn’t feel particularly precipitate for two people in their 30s. If on the other hand, Harry had actually dated her transatlantically for a period more like five or six months, and their meetings had not been greater than eight or 10 times during this period, and he stop seeing her for nearly a year only to meet up with her in September and be engaged within six weeks, after the family had been told that the relationship was done and dusted the previous Christmas… Williams comment About undo haste makes more sense.
abbyh said…

I'm on team double for JH. It's easy to put on a hairnet, face mask and not say a whole lot which might make a fake accent easier to pull off. And she probably was talking enough for both of them.

Do people ask for autographs anymore? I wonder about that as a "loose end". What about a "candid" shot taken on the sly? Maybe not for resale but just to have?

As for the metadata issue or lack thereof, I have to say that it doesn't seem to be a cute mystery which follows her like a subplot of a Hallmark movie, it come off much more as a conspiracy at this point.





Thanks @ Hikari. I do read Harry Markle, which is excellent. I just wish there was more clarity, but I’m not sure we’ll ever know exactly what happened when, and why. All these forthcoming books may muddy the waters further. I hope Tom Bower is still planning a dissection of M’s life. Somehow I feel that he may be able to crack the case, as it were.
CatEyes said…
@Nutty

I've been away from the site all day only to find more crap from 'xxxxx' and the 'CatEyes' impersonator.

INTERESTING THAT NOT A SINGLE NUTTIE CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF YOU USING YOUR SITE FOR THE HARASSMENT OF ME, MY CHILDREN AND CRITICALLTY ILL BROTHER BY 'xxxxx'/'xxxx'. 'Unknown' and the Fake CatEyes.

@'xxxxx'

I think your past numerous comments about "self-abuse" might indicate you have an 'Epstein problem' (tiny weenie syndrome/struggle with masturbation hence your frustrated angry male attitude which you can't control) IMO. LOl
lucy said…
Nice to see blog back in action
lucy said…
Not sure why I am "unknown " I must have somehow signed out of my google account.

I suppose I will use this opportunity to state I know your IP address Cat, no big deal the real humor lies in the fact I can also see the "fake" Cat IP address and LOL better run , same location!LMAO loon
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CatEyes said…
@Unknown/'xxxxx'/'xxxx' aka 'little weenie boy'/Imposter CatEyes/'Elle'

I've proven you to be a liar as YOU DID NOT SUE ME AS YOU PROMISED last Monday!!!!! YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE MY IP ADDRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW you came up as 'Unknown' because you are one and the same poster. You forgot to log back in as 'xxxxx' and you came up as 'Unknown'. How hilarious....YOU OUTED YOURSELF. YOU PROVED YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE BEHIND THESE POSTS. ROTFLOL

@Nutty
'xxxxx'/'xxxxx'/Unknown bragged that he personally corresponded with you by email even going as far to set-up a WordPress site for you and urging you to ban me (right before the poll). I bet the imposter 'CatEyes' is really 'xxxxx' also and I would not be surprised if its 'Elle' too! It is all too telling why you don't stop your BFF from cyberbullying and hate speech.
Grisham said…
So no bombshells so far in Lady C’s book?
HappyDays said…
Golden Retriever said...
I hope Tom Bower is still planning a dissection of M’s life. Somehow I feel that he may be able to crack the case, as it were.

@Golden Retriever: Of all the books coming out about Meghan, Meghan and Harry, and Harry and William, Bower’s book is the one I’m really looking forward to reading. I hope he realizes that Meghan checks off all the behavioral boxes for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Narcissists often lock onto a target and literally stalk them, which is what I believe Meghan did to land Harry. He was an easy target for a narcissist, and I hope Bower addresses this and how the royal family slipped up by not nipping Harry’s relationship with her in the bud before it ever became public after Meghan manipulated Harry into issuing the “back off” statement to the press after she told him
she was being harassed by paparazzi photographers in Toronto when hardly anyone knew who she was.

As an aside, if Diana had been alive, she would have had Meghan sussed as a first class gold digger in a minute and sent her packing back to Toronto.

At any rate, I hope the Bower book isn’t a rehash of what we already know and suspect about Meghan, especially Archie’s birth circumstances. If he can’t publish his book in the UK due to a super injunction, I hope he publishes in the US.

CatEyes said…
@Aquagirl said...

>>>I have always believed that Markus is the father and that a surrogate carried the baby. Maybe that’s why he dropped out of sight after the baby shower when all of the pregnancy questions came to a head. I do believe that JH was blackmailed at IG, but as I’ve said before, it could’ve been a drunken, drugged up Harry in a three-some (with another man) that was filmed at SoHo House.<<<<

Maybe the threesome involved Markus and that is why he may be the father and Harry had to accept things as they are especially if the recent rumor is true that Markus is living with them now Ewwwww.

Wow, what a tangled web they weave,
when they deceive and get people to believe,
despite the dirty little deed!
Sandie said…
Glad to see this blog site is back as vibrant as ever!

1. The so-called German journalist on Quora (the source of the story about Marcus and Doria staying with the Harkles) has been debunked as a hoax. I don't know why people make up elaborate identities and stories and then disseminate them online, but it happens often. So many bizarre rumours about the Harkles have proved to be truth in time that it is difficult to dismiss what sounds absurd or does not make sense. However, in this case, the so-called journalist has been shown to be a hoax (she does not exist and was a persona made up to tell this made-up story).

2. Copyright is a complex but also quite simple. Posting excerpts from the book here are a form of review but keep the excerpts short and present the information in the form of a review (e.g. Wow, Lady C reveals some new stuff, confirms some old rumours, and repeats a lot of what we already know to be true ... but to me the zinger is xxx incident, which she has this to say about it: ...).

3. Titles and so on: they still have the titles Duke and Duchess of Sussex, and even their HRH status has not been taken away from them. However, they have been told not to use the HRH. There has been much discussion and research on how they should be addressed and many still do get it wrong.
* Duchess Meghan (wrong)
* The Duchess of Sussex or Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex (wrong)
* HRH The Duchess of Sussex or any other variation with the addition of HRH (wrong)
* the Duchess of Sussex or Meghan, Duchess of Sussex (correct)
* Prince Harry or Harry, Duke of Sussex (correct)

Harry was given the style and title HRH Prince Henry Charles Albert David when he was born. Meghan is not permitted to use the title 'princess' (and I do not know why) but on marrying him she was allowed to use the style HRH. Supposedly since the time of Diane, on divorce she will lose this honour completely (neither Diane or Sarah were HRH after their divorces). On the morning of his wedding, Harry was was granted by the Queen the Dukedom of Sussex, in the Peerage of the United Kingdom, and he was also granted two subsidiary titles, both also in the Peerage of the United Kingdom: Earl of Dumbarton, and Baron Kilkeel. Supposedly only Parliament can take these titles away from him, and even if they get divorced, Meghan, as his first wife, may still use his titles (such as Duchess of Sussex).

4. I agree with most here that neither of the pair have the talent, position or influence to achieve or build anything of any worth. However, I agree that if she can get a gig on a reality TV show (such as the Housewives gig), she could have some measure of success. I think those sort of shows will always be popular and it would be a perfect vehicle for Meghan (dress badly, sprout a lot of word salad, be annoying, be attention-seeking, create scandal and controversy ... she ticks the boxes!). As for advertising/merching deals - the veneer of royalty is fading fast (despite her attempts to do royal-type engagements in LA, which is absurd) and it is difficult to think of what she can sell to which market. Perhaps itty bitty jewellery Some kind of sexy perfume? Expensive holiday destinations and all that goes with it (luggage and so on)? Seems she wants to be a humanitarian, highly paid speaker, whatever and ... really?! The delusion seems to be particularly strong with that one!
Sandie said…
Please do not bash me for being contrary ... but:

There was at least 6 months between the announcement of the engagement and the marriage. It makes no sense, no matter how you spin it, that Harry was forced into the marriage because she claimed to be pregnant. Even if she claimed to be pregnant and then claimed to lose the baby (once she had the engagement ring and the announcement), they would not have planned such an elaborate wedding if they thought she was pregnant (the Queen would not have allowed any royal trappings such as the venue or the coach and so on to be used for a shotgun wedding with a bride heavily pregnant). Perhaps you can try to persuade me that she did capture him by pretending to be pregnant and that she quickly 'lost the baby' and he was so caught up in making her feel better that he insisted on the most elaborate wedding ...? How crazy does this story get?

Nope, she did not trap him into marriage with the pregnancy ruse. However, she had moved in with him at Kensington Palace and so he was getting major, close up, non-stop love bombing that targeted all his vulnerabilities. She knew that even if she did not succeed in getting the marriage, her relationship with him would hugely raise her profile so, as she saw it, she could not lose. Her initial plan might have been simply a relationship that raised her profile and got her all those gigs she was failing to get before Harry (and, ironically, is still failing to get!). Much is said of her 'giving up everything for Harry' but indications are that the Suits gig was coming to an end and all her other sideline stuff was small and she had to do a lot of hustling for that. Harry was her one shot at global fame and the immense wealth and influence and power that she thought would naturally follow. That she ended up marrying him, producing a child, and giving up the royal gig to couch surf in LA and sell herself for giving speeches while having no expertise to sell is a tragedy that deserves a reality show of its own!
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Emeraldeyes said…
Looking at the photos published of JH & MM at the Los Angeles bakery. Weird weird photos .... They are not social distancing (no 2m rule) at the Bakery despite California having one of the highest rates of COVID in the US...Ekkkkk then going home to baby Archie. MM appears to have dark black circles under her eyes and JH has his mask perched precariously on the tip of his nose. I wish these 2 idiots would just go away.
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Sandie said…
Interesting ...

Meghan and Harry are still President and Vice President of The Queen's Commonwealth Trust (TQCT). These are ceremonial positions in that they have no authority or power in the Trust, which is basically a charity set up by the Queen for a limited time to promote youth leadership in Commonwealth countries and fund projects.

A short while ago (1 June actually), a strange post appeared on the IG account for TQCT, related to BLM. It urged young people to get involved politically in the BLM movement and quoted Martin Luther King and did not seem to be an official TQCT communication. What followed was even more strange. There were lengthy posts on guidelines and the fact that TQCT was supposed to be apolitical and a lot was said about official communication from royals. Oh, and it seems that security has been added to the IG account.

I suspect that Meghan hijacked the Trust's IG to post about BLM (it is supposed to be her thing now). It was Meghan, aided by Harry, going rogue again. TQCT is genuine and so moved quickly to re-establish the integrity of the Trust and to shut the door and make sure such a breach never happened again.

I hope MSM picks up on this and publishes the story because it is a major smack down for Meghan and shows that 'The Firm' are now fully aware of just who Meghan is and how she operates (that is assuming that it was Meghan behind that strange post)

https://youhavebeenmarkled.tumblr.com/post/621871322809745408/theyll-be-removed-from-there-next
I didn’t know about this second post so I need to read through the comments.

I think the Duo are grasping at straws now and are floundering. A headline I saw yesterday was that they’ve signed up to a high profile speaking agency (whether it’s true is another thing entirely). It’s been said before on this blog.....but what exactly would these two say that’s in anyway enlightening to anyone? :ol Absolutely nothing.

Everything now comes across as a very hard sell....next to no one is interested.
According to Amazon, my book by Lady C is arriving today. ;o))
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The following is not about JH and M, but in light of the recent lawsuit filed against Splash news by their “son” for invasion of privacy, I thought it was interesting:

How Kate's candid camera is killing off the paparazzi
Duchess of Cambridge's release of family photos has destroyed the market for shots that can be sold
By
Camilla Tominey,
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
24 June 2020 • 7:00pm

Part I

The Duchess of Cambridge's Royal Family album is fast rivalling Patrick Lichfield's.

Over the past few days, royal-watchers have been treated to some extraordinary images of life behind palace gates.

As well as photographing William larking about with their three children to mark his 38th birthday on Sunday, Kate also managed to capture a touchingly tender moment between two future kings.

Showing Charles affectionately resting his head on William's shoulder, huge smiles on both their faces, her picture could not be further removed from the stuffy royal portraiture of the past.

Yet what is even more remarkable than Kate's flourishing artistry is the effect it has had on royal photography in general. Releasing such intimate family photos so regularly to the press has killed, stone dead, the market for paparazzi shots.

Why would any newspapers or magazines want to run grainy long-lens images of the royals in private when they themselves are willing to serve up crystal clear Instagram-style shots?

Diana, the late Princess of Wales, could only have dreamed of such a scenario. And when you consider how fiercely protective William is of his family's privacy, you soon realise this is no accident.

As I first wrote in 2013, this unique form of royal image control has all been by design. At that time, I noted that Kate, then pregnant with Prince George, had been taking a close interest in the way European royals were managing the media with regard to photography of their children.

Conscious that the public would demand to see "at home" imagery of George – and later Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis – but anxious not to thrust them into the limelight, the Duchess borrowed an idea from Victoria, the Crown Princess of Sweden.

Having grown up to be mistrustful of the press after they reported details of her anorexia when she was a teenager, Sweden's queen regnant resolved to do things differently when her first child, Estelle, was born a year before George in 2012.

She swiftly began releasing her own photographs of the baby to ensure that any imagery of Estelle was released on her own terms. The public reacted hugely positively, loving not only the fact that they could see such milestones as Estelle blowing out the candles on her first birthday cake but also that Victoria was behind the camera.

Already a keen amateur photographer – a hobby encouraged by her father, Michael Middleton – Kate decided she would do the same, rather than always relying on the services of a professional photographer.

Of course there still is, and always will be, a place for experienced lensmen and women to capture the big royal moments. However, it has always been these more candid camera shots that the public has craved.

I know experts may have an opinion on Kate's focus, use of lighting and so on, but when it comes to seeing the "real" royals behind their public personas, the Duchess is fast becoming the monarchy's leading chronicler of modern royal life.
Miz Malaprop said…
@Hikari

Don't know if I can explain LA's unique ecosystem of fame, money and prestige, but I'll give it a whirl, as I've lived enough other places to have some perspective on the place. I live in the lovely Pacific Northwest, but many of my family, some working in the industry (nothing too glamorous) still live there and I visit often.

One key aspect of LA is the nouveau riche element of the money and power. There's very little "old money" there, it's overnight money, it's insane wealth ($20 million for one movie, when three years ago you were living in a van). There's also a lot of failed starlets, screenwriters and musicians who find working gigs around town. Then there's the natives, like my family, mostly comprised of workaday folks that sometimes see a movie star in the local market. There's a lot of ambition in town, like a NYC or DC, but it's merged with beauty, and stupid luck. Talent and hard work are not necessarily rewarded.

If you wonder why La Markle is so upside down morality wise, well, that's how Hollywood operates and always has. Los Feliz, where the Immaculate Heart school is, and I think where she lived with her dad, is right in the thick of that mix. Not too far from the Sunset Strip, right next to the Hollywood Hills where movie stars live in their tucked away mansions.

In that world, having your dad working crew on a successful show isn't that impressive. It's enough to afford the private schools, cute outfits, and perhaps the junior year nose job. (The number of girls who had the summer nose job between their junior and senior years at my high school is actually ridiculous, dozens. AND, I was a public school kid.) It's the kind of place where you grow up fast because you know what's behind the curtain. You act unimpressed when people name drop.

Even if you want to eventually be a movie star, or serious actress, whatever Megs youthful ambitions were, I can understand why neither UCLA or USC would be your first choice. Don't most people want to get away from their hometowns? Also not impressive to your private school crowd, who would be going to NYU, Penn and such. New money likes to impress with old money stuff (fancy schools, stately homes, artwork).

Hope that gives a little insight into the Markle way. Whatever her mental challenges (Narcissism, Borderline personality, too much Adderall), Hollywood likely heightened that off-balance nature .... and who knows what Soho House added to that!
Magatha Mistie said…

Their next book could be a bone of contention
“Harry and Me” A Dogs life...
A tale of “all bark, and overbite”
Hangdog Harry unleashed....then brought to heel... 🦴
Rut said…
Unknown: When I see Cateyes username I just don't read the words she is writing. So, I don't become upset or angry. When nutty is here she deletes Cateyes comments. What I don't understand is why you read her comments and why people answers her comments and why you discuss her.
You are making her important. Just stop write about Cateyes ( and Elle ) Try to ignore instead.


I like the cartoon in the very latest Harry Markle - an abandoned waggon, full of hack writers, stranded in the desert, with a squad of scorpions as Meg's stans.

Now, who could be a rattlesnake in that scenario?
Miggy said…
Lady C claims that's Meghan's reason for wanting to attend NorthWestern was to become a Broadway star and that she chose to major in English rather than acting.

I'm only on page 29 and most of what I've read so far is already common knowledge.

jessica said…
PR post about the Harkles embarking on a speaking career. This is obviously to fish for clients.

A few things
A) it lists their going rates at $1MM. Hilarious. Even Hilary Clinton, the accomplished woman no matter what you think of her, only gets 250k max per speech and HAS things to talk about. So, again, they are lying for sales (look at the bargain you’re getting!, and as usual Meghan setting her price way, way too high and won’t get bookings- does she EVER learn!) Things must be getting tight. She needs the deposit money.
B) Announcing themselves as paid to hire public speakers...in the middle of coronavirus? Like, for real? LOL
C)Speaking is normally reserved for professionals who have prolific careers, OR professionals who need money (the majority), or professionals who need money and don’t care about the future of their careers. You never use speaking tours or gigs to LAUNCH a career. So the lesson here is they need money. And she thinks they will book at an extraordinary rate for next year because she is out of options on how to make said money.
D) she’s going to be barred from speaking about the RF. So these will be Harry gigs, as usual.
E) i know professionals who do this for a living. They all give up. They make great money, yes, but they have kids and didn’t see them ever. Harry and Meghan do not know the reality of time consuming travel away from their supposed baby. There’s no chance it will work. I’ve seen it. It doesn’t work for parents of young kids. Hence the rate. She thinks she can do 1-2 a month (as if) and that will cover her. It won’t. Ever. Happen.
F) fascinating that they are out of money options and they’ve turned to this
G) their flappy put together schemes will keep them over busy and underpaid. If they thought they were busy with the RF, this lifestyle is hell on earth (running a charity, startup, speaking, etc etc) to try to make their accustomed money and save? No chance. They have proven to be lazy and weird and lacking in depth. What they are setting up requires hard constant work. They have no idea and it’s clear. Still living in lala land because of corona.

No more alphabet. This whole ploy is irrelevant and dumb, as usual!
Maneki Neko said…
Miggy, I have just finished chapter 2 and it is a very lengthy one on the childhoods and adolescence of H&M. Nothing that isn't common knowledge, as you said. I'll stop a while but want to skip to chapter 4 or 5 and go back later.
Sandie said…
Lipstick Alley: I only look at one thread at that forum and must admit I have never looked at any of the Meghan supporters threads (and there are many of those):

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-4313

They are also talking about 'that video' (thanks to those who did the research) and in their opinion, it IS Meghan. She has shown poor judgement in so much of what she has said and done since 'becoming royal' and did not seem to show much discernment or commitment/dedication to her craft in building an acting career, so I can believe that she did make a porn video. But, she was living with Trevor so she did not need the money and no way is a porn video a good career move, and certainly not one that Trevor would approve of or support. However, as I said, she makes a lot of poor choices and does a lot that comes across as irrational to me so I can be convinced that it is her in the video.

I am also not convinced that the publicity photos and story prove that Harry was not in the UK. The Markles often keep back stories/photos until they want to use them for publicity, so that visit to the bakery/food place could have happened before Hapless jetted off to the UK and Megsy is releasing them now to give the impression that Hapless is in LA with her. In the murky world of the Harkles, anything is possible!

Pregnant? Say it is not so! Another child to drag from borrowed house to borrowed house ... and with those parents, surely damage is inevitable?
Sandie said…
Latest from LSA thread is that it has been debunked that it is Meghan in the video. Looks a lot like her but is definitely not her.
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Sandie said…
Harry found his way out of the broom closet/laundry room:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8456773/Prince-Harry-boasts-lockdown-tan-admits-hes-missing-rugby-Los-Angeles-mansion.html

Does anyone believe that Charles and William conspired to get rid of Harry? I can believe that they found Meghan to be a huge problem for them, but I think they both genuinely love Harry and would have preferred to keep him in the fold and managed the problem from inside. In other words, I do not believe this story and wonder what Kensington Palace, Clarence House and Buckingham Palace will do in response. They might just break their 'never complain, never explain' rule for this. To me, the timing does not fit in with these accusations that getting rid of Harry and Meghan was a plot hatched up between Charles and William. The summit that marked the final exit for the Harkles only happened after much pushing and complaining from the Harkles and the leak forced the hand of The Queen, Charles and William. The result of the summit would have been the same, no matter when it happened.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8455823/Prince-Andrews-disastrous-Newsnight-interview-silent-coup-against-Prince-Harry-claims-expert.html

The Harkles are really pushing the PR. The reason seems quite clear. They are promoting themselves to get speaking gigs to make money. They are famous for being famous so there is nothing else they can do but grab headlines for being famous, and then, because they are so famous, they get contracted to make speeches about nothing much at all (important-sounding word salad that is also very self promoting) for huge fees because people so famous must be paid extremely well to simply breathe the same air as we do.

No, I cannot believe that Charles and William actively pushed Harry out because they are not stupid and they knew that this is how Harry would end up with Meghan and it must make them feel sad and very worried because they do love Harry very much.
Sandie said…
Actually, Nigel Cawthorne twists himself up into unbelievable knots to put blame on Charles and William, but nothing he says makes sense. From the article (do you think that this is actually part of the Harkles PR strategy?):

Cawthorne alleges the interview was the 'starting shot' in a bid to 'prune the unwieldy monarchy' and remove both Prince Harry and Prince Andrew by sharing news of Harry's plans to 'quit' royal life.

'The Charles-William faction at the palace is in seemingly unstoppable ascendant', said Nigel.

'The two heirs found common cause that the unwieldy monarchy has to pruned, starting with their independently-minded brothers Andrew and Harry.

'The starting shot was Andrew's BBC Newsnight interview. The Charles faction at the palace clearly saw that it created the opportunity of removing not only Andrew, but also Harry from royal engagements.

'The first rumours of Harry "quitting" the royal family started circulating around the day of the interview, even before the backlash to Prince Andrew's performance.'

In January this year, it was announced that Prince Harry, and Meghan had made the dramatic decision to step down as senior royals and split their time between Britain and North America.

In their extraordinary statement, the Duke and Duchess said they wanted to 'carve out a progressive new role' and become financially independent.

Despite Buckingham Palace claiming at the time that discussions with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were at an early stage, Nigel said the couple had been planning their leave from the UK for 'months in secrecy'.

The royal expert called Harry's retirement from royal life 'irrevocable' and claimed that in the history of the monarchy, there had never been a 'more stunning' defenestration of Firm members.

He said: 'Harry and Meghan had been discussing their leaving the UK for months in secrecy, but the well-timed leak on the day of the interview would remove two senior princes from The Firm in one move as the headlines forced the palace to respond.

'Harry's retirement is irrevocable and it is unclear when Prince Andrew will return from his sabbatical. In the modern history of Buckingham Palace it was probably one of the most stunning silent coups. '

Earlier this month, Nigel claimed The Duke of York's downfall has been 'a long time coming' but was delayed due to the protection he has been given throughout his life thanks to being the Queen's favourite.

Nigel told how the Queen wrote to her cousin after his birth telling her that he was 'adorable' and was destined to be 'terribly spoilt'. Perhaps this is what led to his school peers at Gordonstoun branding him 'boastful' and 'big-headed'.

He added that while some found Andrew 'charming in person', when he took on his first official duties, he was 'gaffe prone with a callous disregard for the sensitivities of others' and was 'no better with employees'.


How can it be a coup when Charles and William are the rightful heirs, not Andrew or Harry?

How can Charles and William have pushed Harry out when he had been plotting to leave since before his marriage?

Nigel Cawthorne is neither a royal expert nor a good researcher:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Cawthorne

https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/educational-magazines/cawthorne-nigel-1951
Magatha Mistie said…
@WildBoar

Megs nest of scorpions marching to the click of her teeth ��
Maneki Neko said…
Now Meg's stans are accusing Charles of 'not protecting her from racially motivated criticism' (DM - Charles was making a diversity speech). Talk about biting the hand that feeds you... She did say she'd been warmly welcome by the BRF and after the fortune PC has spent on her, this is very undeserved.
Miggy said…
One little nugget of interest from Lady C's book that came from a Mail journalist who was discussing the wealth of information they had on Meghan, when the relationship between her and Harry became known.

‘It’s not often that we find ourselves having to downplay instead of exaggerate. But with Meghan, that’s what we had to do. From the outset. It was the only way to get stories past the legal department.’
Miggy said…
And a Daily Mirror journalist added:- ‘No one wanted to hurt Harry. He was truly popular, and if that was the girl he wanted, and if she could make him happy, which she certainly seemed to be doing, no one wanted to rain on his parade. Almost by common but silent consent, we all took a soft line.’
lizzie said…
Re: the comment from the Daily Mirror journalist reported by @Miggy:

Meghan was hardly a "girl" when she met Harry. But I guess she had to be seen that way since Harry was still seen as a "boy" despite his chronological age.

Funny, Charles was younger when he married Diana than Harry was when he married. Don't think anyone was thinking of Charles as a "boy."
When I first read about her lawsuit against the Splash photo agency, I thought it was a joke but no, she really and truly is suing over that photo where she is dangling the baby and walking the two dogs while smiling at the the photographers. I knew the British Columbia woods are full of bears and cougars; who would have thought they'd have paps there as well?
Rut said…
Unknown: I defend her because it doesn't feel good when you are jumping on someone who apparently is not well. What do ju expect will happen when you respond to her when she is "upset"? Just leave her alone. Also...she do write normal things. But even when she IS calm and "normal" you provoke her and remind her of things she has said and done just because you want to make her angry. And now I am taking up space talking about CatEyes instead of Meghan Markle. Im sorry!
I am going to ignore any text who have the names Elle and CatEyes in it.:)




xxxxx said…
https://pagesix.com/2020/06/24/lady-colin-campbell-calls-prince-harry-pathetic-in-new-tell-all/

Good stuff from the new LCC book
Madge said…
Hi Nutties.

This is a bit off topic but very amusing.

Apparently there is a piece in the June 29th edition of the Globe magazine which says that Harry and Markle's neighbours are very upset because of the smell coming from the house where they are staying. Apparently the dogs are doing they business and weeing all over the place and it's not being cleaned up regularly. In the heat the smell is drifting across to public areas.

I'm in the UK so I can't see the magazine, it was re-reported on other sites but has been taken down. It's probably just gossip mag filler, but it's amusing that instead of writing about the usual things the Globe is writing about their smelly house and garden!
@Magatha Misty-

I know what goes `ninety- nine bump'* but what would the scorpions' rhythm be with 6 walking appendages & a pair of pincers?

Would it be `Click-click-clickety-click'? Pity we can't do sound effects here - each posting could start with it, like BBC overseas broadcasts in the war, with Beethoven's Vth (Di-di-di-dah = V for Victory) In Morse, the blog signature would be --...- Can anyone make something of that? MV, meaning `Meghan Vanquished'?

From now on, I shall hear that every time I see her photo.

* A centipede with a wooden leg. Groan...
Miggy said…
Reading about Harry's meeting with the Queen and PP and if what is written is true... then Harry is a complete POS! He and Meghan truly deserve each other.
Miggy said…
Sorry, was so angry I forgot to mention above that this meeting was when he told them of his desire to marry Meghan.
lizzie said…
@Madge described a press report:

"Apparently the dogs are doing they business and weeing all over the place and it's not being cleaned up regularly. In the heat the smell is drifting across to public areas."

I wouldn't doubt it for a minute. Obviously she wasn't carrying visible clean up bags during her Canadian pap walk in a public park and even if she had been, she couldn't have bent over with that giant doll strapped to her front. I guess the Canadian Mounties and Metro Police were her pooper scoopers?

If Doria has moved in that means there would be two more dogs to stink up the place. Wonder what TP will think? Didn't he used to have actual grass besides? Urine from 2-4 dogs will take care of that pretty fast. (I love dogs but you do have to clean up and dog pee on golf course-like grass is not good.)
HappyDays said…
Hikari said...
Within Two weeks of that encounter, She moved her self to London, And a month after that they were engaged. With the ring on her finger either just before or just after the wedding ceremony, I think she got the ball rolling on the surrogate. Short of evidence that harry committed murder, This could be his very bad thing she used to blackmail him into marriage along with his whole family.

@Hikari: Your comment here makes sense, but you have to remember that Harry designed Meghan’s ring with a London jeweler using two diamonds from some of Diana’s jewelry, which were likely part of Diana’s jewels that he inherited.

Harry probably would have discussed getting the ring made and how to go about choosing a donor piece from Diana’s items from which to take the stones with an aid or a family member such as Charles because he would also need to access the small supply of Welsh gold that royal wedding rings are made from. He then had to go through a design process with the jeweler, which can take a couple of months at a minimum. This was to be a royal ring which had historic significance (until ingrate Meghan changed it by their first anniversary), so the process might take extra time as multiple designs and prototypes in wax were evaluated by Harry.

It could have been a RUSH commission, but that would still take some time.
lizzie said…
@HappyDays

"he would also need to access the small supply of Welsh gold that royal wedding rings are made from..."

I don't think that small supply of gold is used for engagement rings, just wedding rings. And probably only then if TQ has approved. But I agree, getting the engagement ring made would have taken some time. I doubt a couple of months for Harry, but some time.
lizzie said…
@HappyDays

"he would also need to access the small supply of Welsh gold that royal wedding rings are made from..."

I don't think that small supply of gold is used for engagement rings, just wedding rings. And probably only then if TQ has approved. But I agree, getting the engagement ring made would have taken some time. I doubt a couple of months for Harry, but some time.
Piroska said…
@Sandie Andrew destined to be spoilt
Letter to Lady Mary Cambridge The Baby is adorable and is very goodand putting on weight well. Both the older children are completely rivetted by him, and all in all he is going to be terribly spoilt by all of us, I'm sure.
Sandie said…
Someone copied and pasted some excerpts about how Meghan manipulates and controls Harry. Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste here (but have given links below). However, we have all seen her tactics on full display and can imagine what she does behind closed doors.

What was most interesting about the excerpts was this was told to Lady C by a friend of Harry's. Contrary to those who want to smack her down, Lady C does socialise on the fringes of royalty and it is in this zone that she encounters people who want to talk - people who are much closer to royals, like distant relations, neighbours, courtiers, and so on.

The excerpts do not flow on from one to another, but have a look and see if you can fill in the gaps:

https://talkingtarot.tumblr.com/image/621902311053312000

https://66.media.tumblr.com/81c30de92bfacd9b5831b7fc90e37510/caa20eadb53e22ae-bf/s2048x3072/2cacc9e9103c967055d40ef1793ad7626c2baece.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/02e046ddf3f52b3290361fcf09c5f427/caa20eadb53e22ae-0a/s2048x3072/b79251731c9943437ce31fc27d8aa8928930c198.jpg

It is most intriguing that reporters admitted to Lady C that they had held back from telling the full truth about Meghan because of their affection for Harry.
Read. the links...

so Harry is playing out his mom complex with Meghan?

Geez. How utterly embarrassing.
erika said…
Nutty, enjoy the summer! You deserve it! Thank you for yr hard work...such a fan of this blog, excellent writing, excellent commentary...I struggle to keep up. It was 96' yesterday I thought I was going to die.great to see a new post. Enjoy!
Indy said…
@Hikari, actually there is a thing called Jack and Jill baby showers and I've been to a couple. I also remember seeing numerous court cases where a couple for divorced and the wife wanted to use the egg and sperm they had saved . There were different rulings as to if they could so in the US there is really no hard and fast precedent . I still think she did it without him knowing right after they were married .
@Ssndie, Diana did nit have the title princess either. They called her that but she couldn't really have it because she had no royal blood. Back in the day if you see a princess or any royalty from another country and married a prince then you could get her title princess. DOC, DOS are officially called Princess William or Princess Harry but not princess Catherine or princess Meghan. Catherine will get princess consort when William gets Prince of Wales. Very confusing !
HappyDays said…
Sandie said…
Someone copied and pasted some excerpts about how Meghan manipulates and controls Harry. Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste here (but have given links below). However, we have all seen her tactics on full display and can imagine what she does behind closed doors.

@Sandie,
Thanks for all the URLs.

If you want to see how scary, devious, and batshit crazy controlling Meghan is, go to the Celt News channel on You Tube and watch the video from last year titled CONCERNS for PRINCE HARRY re what we’ve seen in the media (a brief recap of the last 2+ years).

It starts out with a series of still images, but the video clips that come after the stills are the telling part.

I believe she has a profound case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Catlady1649 said…
So glad to see you back Nutty.
The comments make very interesting reading
Indy said to Sandie, Diana did nit have the title princess either. They called her that but she couldn't really have it because she had no royal blood. Back in the day if you see a princess or any royalty from another country and married a prince then you could get her title princess. DOC, DOS are officially called Princess William or Princess Harry but not princess Catherine or princess Meghan. Catherine will get princess consort when William gets Prince of Wales. Very confusing !

Huh?! The only birth princesses are Beatrice, Eugenie and Charlotte. However, Diana was The Princess of Wales by marriage, Camilla is officially too. When Charles is King Charles may choose to make William the new Prince of Wales and if so, Catherine will become the next Princess of Wales.

All the woman who have married into the royal family that is, Camilla, Diana, Catherine and Megsy all have Princess of the United Kingdom on their children’s birth certificates as their occupation.
Oops, typo correction!

Camilla has no royal children. ;o)
Miggy said…
Snipped from the book-

"While her admirers commended her for her tenacity and toughness, one producer told me that he regarded her ‘an odiously pushy, voracious piece of work’. She was ‘greedy’, had ‘far too high an opinion of herself’, and was ‘a player who has a compulsion to always push for more. If you offered her California, she’d demand Arizona as well, and, if you didn’t give it to her, you were victimising her."





Teasmade said…
Loving the snippets; thanks to all who are . . . snipping : )
CatEyes said…
@Okay

>>>OKay said…
@CatEyes Serious question - why do you still come here? It obviously makes you very unhappy.
June 24, 2020 at 9:38 PM<<<

You obviously don't read the favorable comments I make; in fact I have a long history of making valuable contributions here, and you well. I haven't seen you until recently. Where is the humor, the funny poems, the legal in fo and insightful posts like I have done for almost 2 years?! That is telling

I have the same right as you to come here. I have explained a number of times why I come here, maybe bother going back 2 years and reading before you say such a thing about me! I will excuse you since you are obviously ignorant of my contributions. Besides why should I have to answer to you?!!!
E said…
Thanks for the snippets! I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for each one to drop
CatEyes said…
@Rut
Rut said...
Unknown: When I see Cateyes username I just don't read the words she is writing. So, I don't become upset or angry. When nutty is here she deletes Cateyes comments. What I don't understand is why you read her comments and why people answers her comments and why you discuss her.
You are making her important. Just stop write about Cateyes ( and Elle ) Try to ignore instead.


Rut said…
Unknown: I defend her because it doesn't feel good when you are jumping on someone who apparently is not well. What do ju expect will happen when you respond to her when she is "upset"? Just leave her alone. Also...she do write normal things. But even when she IS calm and "normal" you provoke her and remind her of things she has said and done just because you want to make her angry. And now I am taking up space talking about CatEyes instead of Meghan Markle. Im sorry!
I am going to ignore any text who have the names Elle and CatEyes in it.:)

RESPONSE:
Since you brought me up first today, I am going to set the record straight. Nutty does not delete my comments when she is here 99% of the time contrary to what you assert. I appreciated the one time you told the attacking poster (I did not start the problem) to stop. Now it appears you considered whether I am "calm"....how condescending. If you bother to read, I write "normal things" all the time WHEN I AM NOT BEING ATTACKED. I don't start these things...I respond.

I have not seen you make near the contributions I have with valuable opinions, legal info, funny poems and humorous one-liners On Topic. I have been a valuable member here and it is a crank or two who has a 'hard on' about "Elle' (in particular the MALE poster 'xxxxx'/'xxxx' is obsesssed with 'Elle'. FTR, this nutcase 'Unknown' is repeatedly lying about me on the posts on LSA. One can search and not a single 'CatEyes' post exists.

So I am pleased if in the future you will quit bringing me up when I did not initiate contact with you. I will scroll past your scant contributions if they show up going forward.


Miggy said…
I'm half way through the book and whilst I found the first part quite boring it certainly got more interesting towards the end of Chapter 4. I really don't want to give too much away, as I don't want to spoil it for those who are still awaiting delivery of the book but needless to say, she has confirmed many of the rumours, but not all. A couple of things mentioned re their behaviour has confirmed my belief that they are both truly as bad as each other!

The only thing that has really shocked me so far is how he spoke to the Queen. (if true)

Hoping there will be more..... :)
Indy said…
@Raspberry ruffle the birth certificates do say that for occupation but are princess William and princess Harry. Diana did not get official title of princess . Princess consort. As will Kate. None if them officially titled princess on their own . Maybe some people here can help.
unknown said…
Which things have been confirmed?
Miggy said…
"That Christmas, the newlyweds joined the rest of the Royal Family at Sandringham for their first Christmas as a married couple. By then, the rumours of estrangement between the brothers and their wives had gained enough traction for the press to be speculating upon its cause. The story was not going the way royalists wanted it to, and even the tabloids were at pains to put as positive a spin on things as they could. But it was proving difficult to pretend that nothing was wrong. Although there were no verified reports, ‘it’s no secret that the problem arose because William warned Harry against leaping into marriage, and Meghan has never forgiven him. That girl demands nothing less than total adoration, and if she doesn’t get it, you’re iced,’ a royal cousin told me.

I don't know who the royal cousin is but he/she is mentioned as a source quite often.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Well extracts from the book on various blogs seem to confirm two things so far - we are not the only ones doubting her pregnancy. Journalists did question it too, got nothing from the Palace and let the matter drop for fear of litigation. But the doubt is still there. Instead of killing the rumor the Palace chose to stonewall. Speaks volumes.

Second is the "airborn tea" episode and 250K payment to silence the person are confirmed.

Blimey
CatEyes said…
Post below from FAKE 'CatEyes' aka 'xxxxx'/'xxxx'.'Unknown'. 'Elle' AKA Nutty's buddies

>>>>CatEyes said…
All of you who liable me, I will send my dead mother, cancer-stricken brother, All My Children (at 11 on Channel 5), and my sword of powers of the Habsburg name to HAUNT all you who Torment me. I will ready my lawyers with a lawsuit, and have the sheriff on speed dial to report the further felonies of impersonation of my self. Engard!<<<<


>>>>xxxxx said…
CatEyes said...
All of you who liable me, I will send my dead mother, cancer-stricken brother, All My Children (at 11 on Channel 5), and my sword of powers of the Habsburg name to HAUNT all you who Torment me. I will ready my lawyers with a lawsuit, and have the sheriff on speed dial to report the further felonies of impersonation of my self. Engard!

The new and improved CatEyes is much better! Liable...lol Habsburg indeed.....
June 24, 2020 at 10:01 PM<<<<


You are truly a piece of trash to do this to disrespect my dead mother a woman you never had the pleasure of knowning; what would your mother think of your conduct. You may hate mother and despise I could have a good one. I pity you.

Then to attack my cancer-stricken brother is about as low as you can go. You better hope there isn't something like Karma because you will be its bitch tiny weenie boy. My brother is known as 'Born Again *Name*' because of his devotion to Christ and living his life as the Holy Spirit inspires him. You can;t even act 1/10000 of of man as he has as evidenced by your criminal behavior here (and disrupting the blog)

And to call my children names...well I suspect you are impotent and that is why you attack that I have children (I have never mentioned them here you attacked me first by insulting them). To pick on children, well what kind of big man does that.

TO THE NUTTIES...YOU WANT THIS TO STOP THIS BEFORE IT GETS WORSE, BEFORE IT GOES THE WAY OF THE VIRUS BLOG,THEN ASK NUTTY TO TELL 'Xxxxx'/'xxxx', 'Unknown' and the poster impersonating 'CatEyes' TO LEAVE ME ALONE. I AM BEGINNING TO LOSE MY PATIENCE AND I MAY JUST START ACTING LIKE 'MissScarlett', 'MiamiVice' etc They were rabid over there. THAT WAS ONLY North/South/Left/Right POLITICS and they got shut down.

I have been advised not to stay a victim but to speak out against the Abusers here. I will not be driven off this site and I will continue to object to their harassment and to posters telling me to stay a silent victim (as a rape victim I am especially sensitive to not being a victim of anything again).
Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

Lady C mentions the tea throwing but does not confirm it.
Miggy said…
"The next incident involving staff was even more astonishing. I only hoped that it too was apocryphal, though the more apocrypha there were, the more likely it was that the tales were rooted in the truth, even when exaggerated or twisted. This time Meghan was on tour. She lost her temper and threw a hot beverage in the direction of someone who had annoyed her. This had resulted in the member of staff resigning and being paid £250,000 to leave without disclosing the incident. In a way, whether the incident had taken place or not was almost beside the point. If it had, it was appalling, and if it had not, it was equally appalling that stories like this were being spread about someone who had not behaved like that."

That doesn't sound like confirmation to me.
Miggy said…
"According to people who know them well, Meghan won Harry by appealing to his genuinely humanitarian instincts. She did this by demonstrating her own humanitarian credentials, articulating philanthropic values which she knew he possessed, while making herself vulnerable in his eyes. She endeared herself by appealing to his sympathies, by mirroring them, by making him aware of how much she had suffered at the hands of a cruel world while gaining his admiration for the brave and noble way she had coped. She could not have Daddy blow this touching picture of suffering, which she had never actually experienced, out of the water by shooting his mouth off."
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy

Of course she doesn't confirm it. Unless she was present she can't for legal reasons. She goes as far as she can though. "The more apocrypha there were the more likely it was that the tales were rooted in the truth, even when exaggerated or twisted".

To me at least she says here *such scandalous story likely had the real basis in it*.

I bet my socks she heard it from somebody she considers reliable. Otherwise she wouldn't have bothered including it into the book for fear of litigation.

Don't we think she had the book chewed to the pulp by her lawyers and recommended how things should be put through? She clearly sticks to their advice.
Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

I'm loving her style of writing and agree that she has to be careful with what she states.

Ploughing on....
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy

The extract you posted about how Megsy caught Harry is spot on. What do you think?
Teasmade said…
Are there any among us who wouldn't willingly have tea (even in a pot) thrown at them for that sum?
Miggy said…
"A courtier said, ‘No one [at the palace] believes that either the Duke or the Duchess of Sussex deludes themselves into thinking that racism plays any part in this. But we’re all aware that they’re not above playing the race card if it works to their advantage. They did it before [at the time their affair became public knowledge] but we’re all hoping they won’t ever do it again. It would be too damaging to the national interest. Prince Harry will see that [and will hopefully prevent it from being played]. But it will nevertheless be damaging to the national interest if they remain silent and allow their supporters to continue blaming racism for something any fool knows has nothing to do with it.’
Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

Yes!! Lady C has her narcissistic personality nailed! :)
Miggy said…
"When Meghan had stepped out onto the stage to present the award, the hall exploding in cheers, what people noticed more than the award this latest royal was handing to the designer, or the hug she enveloped her with, or even how loving she was, was the dramatic way in which her pregnancy had progressed. In four short weeks, she had gone from flat as a pancake to what one journalist described as ‘the size of most women at seven months’."

Ooh, I say! lol
Fairy Crocodile said…
@miggy

If i could I would reach to hug you! Campbell doesn't hesitate to say what we all saw!! She saw all the pictures of her "pregnancy" we observed and she talked to people who were there!!!
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Miggy said…
@Fairy C,

Thanks. :)

I'm really only posting the tiniest of snippets as I don't want to spoil it for others.

So far, her view is the same as ours.

Hikari said…
@WW,

I meant to award you a latte for this yesterday:

Once she knew that Harry would back her up on anything she proposed, she didn’t have to make any effort. It also explains why she was constantly saying fuck you to protocols and wearing completely inappropriate outfits with her boobs spilling out of too small bras. I think Harry admired this on some deep-seated sick level because he’d never been able to do that. She became his avatar of defiance where the “Firm” couldn’t tell her what to do. It turned him on, obviously.

"Avatar of defiance" is just fekkin' brilliant. So perfectly describes what we see--Meg does what Harry wishes he could do, but he lacks the balls to entirely desert his Royal training. All of his rebellion can be projected onto his wife, who could (and was) be given a pass because 'she's American, she's new, she doesn't understand our ways.' Meanwhile, H. had plausible deniability, despite it being his responsibility to teach her Royal protocol.

Yet . .if Harry is so pleased to be giving his family the finger with both hands through his avatar, why doesn't he look happier? Dude looks absolutely miserable all the time, and when he manufactures his pained smiles for their various photo ops, his eyes remain dead. Far from looking like he has cast off the chains of his Royal servitude, where he had a staff to polish his shoes, lay out his ties and be sure he got to engagements on time--the suffering!--Harry looks every day like a condemned man awaiting his execution. His demeanor has entirely changed since he met Meghan. Easy smiles and jocularity were Hazza's trademarks BM (Before Meghan). How long has it been since H. smiled a genuine smile?

Hikari said…
Basically, she didn’t HAVE to care. Her initial game plan had worked. Once she got the ring, that was it for her. She thought she was set. I don’t think it’s going to quite work on like they planned. And I mean “they.” Harry was always on board with this (except for the Archie thing because I think that he was shocked by it initially, but then she convinced him it would be a great bargaining chip in his war against the BRF).

I concur with you. Yet more evidence of Meghan's Narco short-sightedness in the long term. Even given that she was bored and irritated by the expectations of her Royal engagements and not motivated to do anything but a piss-poor going through the motions of showing up, I'm still puzzled by her slovenly appearance. She lives for photos of herself, and on every occasion vamped for the cameras like she was Marilyn Monroe at a movie premiere. But, with a few exceptions when she looked pulled together and nice, in the earliest days when she was still pretending to make a bit of effort--she looked like absolute shite every time we saw her. She knows better than anyone how images on the Internet linger--the world is going to see those horrible photos for all time--every ill-fitting outfit, pit stain, hair in her teeth, pair of filthy shoes, denture-sucking, greasy-haired wig askew photo we've got--in the hundreds. I'm not even going to address 'Bump' as that is a whole separate issue, but never has any woman spent so much money on a 'maternity wardrobe' that was absolutely hideous on every level.

Hikari said…
Meg spends so much energy and money relentlessly managing her own media image and curating what she wants out there . . yet didn't think ahead to how looking so slovenly, unkempt, don't give AF, high as a kite in her public performance of her duties as Duchess was going to impact her master plan of being a fabulously in-demand corporate speaker who did Hollywood jobs on the side? Why would anyone at the elite level to which she aspires ever hire a pair that looks like the Harkles do to even cut a ribbon at a campground, never mind command $250,000 for glossy charity events? Meg is not glossy. There is something emanating from her, but 'gloss' it ain't. Her role as Duchess was her audition for her post-Royal life and she blew it. If the RF was only the stepping stone to far better things in American celebrity culture, why would a woman whose entire existence is predicated on concocted images allow the 'image' of herself to look so bad?

If their mutual lack of hygiene and grooming is down to too much partying, then both of their substance problems are severe. They can't be called 'functional addicts' because they aren't functioning. And maintenance of one's grooming and personal space is the first thing to go when one only cares about chasing the next high. I bet that mansion is in a state.

This is why I don't believe they have a baby. I think they tried to adopt a child, either via a surrogate or a brokered baby, but they were rejected as unfit parents due to substance issues, instability of the home environment and the emotional instability of both parents. Meg's plan to merch a Royal baby fell through and all the doll walks and doctored up Instagram photos are her desperate attempts to cover up the fact that she doesn't have a child. She can occasionally borrow one, but not the same one, or a same-ish looking child. That child Harry was holding in the New Year photo was NOT Duck Rabbit Archie . . looked to be a little girl based on the fact that he's wearing a skirt and a pom hat widely acknowledged to belong to the infant daughter of friend's of Harry's.

I think the end game is nearly here. Meg is a wounded animal who's going down but she still has some fight in her. Covid was the mortal wound to her plans . . Lady C's book might be the coup de grace. If Harry stays with her, he will be disavowed too. These two have nothing to offer and will just mooch off people as long as they can. Two failed lives just like their predecessors, the Windsors.
Miggy said…
Lady C spends quite some time discussing the 'pregnancy', the journalists who were asking questions, the rumours, the inappropriate tight dresses she chose to wear and finally the consistent bump clutching and then ends it with:-

"In the light of such disapproval, it was symptomatic of the deference and latitude with which Meghan was being treated, that no one in the Royal Family or at the palace read her the riot act. This had not been the case when Diana and Sarah York used to step out of line."
Sandie said…
Lady C is claiming that reporters did try to follow up on the surrogacy rumours but were stonewalled by BP (stonewalling, not a denial). I find that interesting. Royals very rarely issue a denial, but, when they do, it is unequivocal. If they did not want to be seen to be engaging in conspiracy theories, they could have let the staff at Portland Hospital know that some kind of disclosure from staff would not be amiss. Although Portland is an American hospital, I suspect most of the staff are British and their allegiance would be to the Queen rather than Meghan and Harry and whatever NDAs they forced hospital staff to sign.

Remember that if Meghan used a surrogate then the information that Harry supplied for the birth certificate was fraudulent.

Yes, I am wearing a full tinfoil helmet, but it is all rather odd isn't it?
E said…
@Miggy:

Respect your wishes not to post too much to avoid spoilers for those who don't have the book yet, but I'm dying to know what the reason was Megs and JH got invited to leave Charles's party...was it the sticking out of the tongue?
CatEyes said…
'Unknown' (AKA 'Titty-baby' comrade to 'WeenieBoy')
Unknown said....
@Rut
1-I have already explained that I am NOT one of the posters who make fun of CatEyes.
2-CatEyes has a history of attacking people out of the blue and has caused issues for me on numerous occasions while posting under my regular blog name.
3-Calling her out on her lies and delusions is all we have left to combat her.
4-Please don't respond to me on this topic anymore.

RESPONSE:
1. How disingenuous to claim you are not the same 'Unknown who has s=talked and harass me. You have proven it by your posts today no less. Proof, End Of!!
2. I have never attacked people out of the blue. I have commented about people posts and they may have taken offense. It is not uncommon here among many posters to posts comments which are taken in a negative light even from some of the well liked 'nice ones'.
3. First of all I caught you in a lie about the LSA posts. You lie all the time when kit comes to me. You are on a campaign 'Elle' to try to destroy me. You even call it a "COMBAT".
4. You are the same 'Unknown' who is pushy and has frequently told other posters what to do. That is in fact your hallmark!
5. You cowardly hide behind "Unknown' when many posters including Nutty told you to get a screen name. But you are a coward and you do what cowards do best, hide like a titty-baby and throw temper tantrums and not take responsibility for your actions. I suggest you use "titty-baby' as a screen name!
Grisham said…
TP’s house is on 5 acres I believe. One of my houses is on 1 acre. You can’t smell poop.

Even if they didn’t pick up poop in a temperate climate, there is no way the neighbors on their own 5 acre lots would smell it. That is beyond crazy.

When I have 3 dogs on a city lot in close quarters to the neighbors (like on top of each other) in a sweltering and humid climate, you can’t smell it. We do pick it up though because we need to walk in the yard and not step on poop. It will go a few days though.

Maybe it was taken down because it was a stupid article.

Cindy Adams on page 6 calls lady C’s book “not a bad read” lol. I will read it when it is US released. I will real all of the books about to come out. We are in a pandemic after all. Nothing else to do.
Miggy said…
@E,

No... she was bored and wanted to leave after 15 mins.
Miggy said…
".......was what would happen if the wider public came to believe, as a vociferous segment of the internet commentators and the press did, that Meghan was faking a pregnancy. Because the palace were alert to the danger, there were teams of people working behind the scenes to shut down some of the internet sites and shut up the more extreme commentators."
Grisham said…
@lizzie @hikari and @happy days the quickest I have had a ring made was 2 weeks and the longest was closer to 4 months. I’m not the queen’s Grandson, so the actual making of the ring was probably 2 weeks and thinking about it and considering it etc might have been 2 weeks, so I don’t think the ring took longer than a month, but we could guess 1-3 months to be safe.
E said…
@Miggy

Thanks! Loving any and all snippets. I can't wait to read this!!
Sandie said…
Spoiler Alert: Meghan sent a friend to Lady C to tell her that she was sexually abused by her father when she was a little girl (well, her father knows now that she is prepared to spread this rumour - he must be heartbroken). Lady C says that what is important is that Harry believes her story.
CatEyes said…
THANK YOU NUTTIES who are sharing snippets of the book!!!
Miggy said…
Regarding the secrecy with the birth:-

"Moreover, by creating a degree of opacity that had never before existed, Harry and Meghan were, whether through ignorance or obduracy was beside the point, feeding the rumours that she was not pregnant and that their expected child was being borne by a surrogate. Had Buckingham Palace wanted a worst case scenario to deal with, they would have been hard-pushed to invent one, and this, to the courtiers, meant that their lives were being made quite unnecessarily impossible for no better reason than that Harry and Meghan were putting their desires before the Crown and the Nation’s interests."

There's much more but leaving the juicier passages for you to read yourselves. :)
Miggy said…
@Sandie,

That's disgusting but what many of us suspected!
Grisham said…
Some thoughts about the snippets:

Yes, I think Meghan got Harry by playing to his virtue and philanthropy goals. Yes, I think Harry is somewhat playing out a redo with his mother in some sort of way.

I have always felt Harry insisted she wear virginal white to their wedding, because it was his first wedding and in his mind her only real wedding. This is just my guess and intuition, as I think Harry has very strong opinions about royal protocol and which ones he doesn’t like or agree with.

Yes. I think Meghan got her claws in him and never let go. I think they likely both have narcissist tendencies.

If someone threw a hot tea pot of near boiling water at me, it would take more than $250k to keep me quiet.

I think Harry goes overboard with protecting Meghan and giving her whatever he thinks she deserves (what Meghan wants, Meghan gets) because he is trying to subconsciously help and protect his mother. Etc.

Catlady1649 said…
Surely Meghan will be called out and exposed if she carries on suing under Archie's name
Hikari said…
@Happy Days

Re. Meg's engagement

It could have been a RUSH commission, but that would still take some time.

Despite all the talk about how 'rushed' the engagement/wedding were, the Harkles' engagement was a standard Royal length, 6 months, November - May. The 'six weeks' I referred to was the period between Harry's joyful reunion with Meg at Invictus in late September 2017 (j/k) to their engagement announcement, just six weeks later in mid-November. Meg moved hastily to London within 2 weeks (easier to do since she was unemployed) and ostensibly moved into Nott Cott with him by mid-October. That was an incredibly short window of time to cut all ties with her North American life, pack up her things and say goodbye to her mother, but she did it. Doria might have gotten a phone call on the way to the airport. Sometime during the four weeks that followed, Harry ostensibly got down on one knee in the kitchen at NottCott and gave her that ring. I say 'ostensible' because I doubt it happened like that or that she lived there at all, frankly. I think she was at Soho Farmhouse or maybe that Cotswolds property--just down the road a tick from Soho Farmhouse. A rush commission could be done in six weeks for a Royal, don't you think? The ring itself is very simple, which I liked. She redid the plain gold band into the pave diamonds one, which may be more expensive but looks like shite to me. Pave is all the rage now--among 20-somethings that buy Kylie Jenner's makeup--so in her own special knack, Meg spends obscene amounts of money only to manage winding up looking incredibly cheap, and age-inapropriately young. That Welsh gold belongs to the Queen, and it's very precious since there is little of it. So Royal engagement rings belong to the Crown, not to the bride. (Which is why I dispute Paul Burrell's self-serving account that he, a servant of the late Princess had the keys to the storage vault to dispense her engagement ring. Her personal watch, perhaps, but that sapphire ring now adorning Kate's finger would have gone back to the Queen upon the Wales divorce, wouldn't it? Diana had stopped wearing her engagement ring long before then, except for formal portraits, because it was a cruel reminder that her marriage had not turned out as she'd hoped. Would she really have been given it in the divorce when she would have been unable to sell it and it had no more sentimental value? At any rate, upon her death, it would have gone back to the Crown collection. William had to ask Granny for permission to give it to Kate and to furthermore take it out of the country since he was proposing in Africa. Despite the security concerns, Granny agreed. Can you imagine what would have happened if Diana's ring had been stolen out of some African hut? I'm sure the equerries were keeping an eye on the bag.

Hikari said…
The story about Harry selecting his Mum's ring and then selflessly giving it to his brother is, I think, more pro-Harry PR. Why would a ring with that kind of history be offered to a 13-year-old boy who surely couldn't appreciate it at that time? As the elder and the heir, William would have had dibs on that ring for his bride, the future Princess of Wales, even though he was only 15 and not thinking yet about marriage. And I doubt very much Paul Burrell (whom Lady C. dismisses as 'a disloyal servant') had charge of Diana's most valuable pieces.

Charles and Di's engagement was even a bit shorter at 5.5 months (February - July) so 6 months is plenty of time to pull together a beautiful royal wedding, especially one on a smaller scale than St. Paul's or Westminster Abbey. The rushed, sloppy, chaotic features of H. and M.' affair where not through lack of time but because the bride and groom insisted on doing everything themselves. Meg didn't have a carpet because she'd rejected the blue one she was offered, which is customary for non-state royal marriages. Meg assumed she'd get the red, reserved for crown heirs marriages and coronations and the like.

I'm not sure when the rumored 'pay off' discussion was mounted, and if these discussions continued up until almost the day of the wedding, when Meg was already wearing the ring and wedding merch was hitting the shops. Perhaps Lady Colin Campbell will tell us.
Maneki Neko said…
In Lady C's book, the tea throwing episode does not mention when or where this was. Perhaps she's being careful? We can only imagine it was in Australia at the governor's residence.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Miggy

Oh my goodness she openly says the Palace was behind intimidation tactics towards the bloggers who talked about her fake pregnancy! And even removal of websites! This is suppression of the freedom of speech. Goodness gracious. Royals are in deep sht

I doubt now the book had been approved by the Palace apparatchiks.

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