I'm on vacation, but here's a space to discuss the developments in the Sussex saga over the past week.
Recently there was (yet another) post somewhere out in the world about how they will soon divorce. And my first thought was: Haven't I heard this before? which moved quickly to: how many times have I heard this (through the years)? There were a number of questions raised which ... I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. One of the points which has been raised is that KC would somehow be shelling out beaucoup money to get her to go "away". That he has all this money stashed away and can pull it out at a moment's notice. But does he? He inherited a lot of "stuff" from his mother but ... isn't it a lot of tangible stuff like properties? and with that staff to maintain it and insurance. Inside said properties is art, antique furniture and other "old stuff" which may be valuable" but ... that kind of thing is subject to the whims and bank accounts of the rarified people who may be interested in it (which is not most of us in terms of bei
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i think the Harkles are on the cusp, or very begininng of that Millienlial narcissitic, it’s all about me and what offends/ affects me (not you) generation. and when i think about Scoobie’s diatribe, thats exactly what it was. what everyone, the world, BRF, the courtiers, the cambridges, the Senior RF, the people, the press, could do for them. not what service could they provide the monarchy/ queen/ UK.
ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
MM personified this when she said “boo hoo, no one has asked me how i’m doing boohoo”.... tears well up in eyes boo hoo. LOL
Actually,i also think the Harkles / MM forshadowed this whole debacle with their photos they publicized.
Wedding photos - 1 standard Family photo. The others - Serious Dramatized - Black and White or Sepia toned couple images facing away from the cameras holdng hands looking at fireworks in tha background. and other Sepia toned Dramatic images of the couple alone against the world.
Even the Archie photos are serious Dramatized Sepia toned images of a hand and a baby foot.
contrast those to the Cambridges Photos - Happy, Colorful, Families laughing/smiling, enjoying themselves and happy to do their work.
LA is 'not a place' for Harry, suggests ex-Vanity Fair editor who says Prince's military past and the couple's taste for 'lecturing' people while enjoying a luxury lifestyle count against them
Graydon Carter, 71, says the Prince's move to LA has saddened the British people
He says it is hard for them to lecture people when they live in a 14-bed mansion
In comparison he says that Kate and William do things 'almost to perfection'
By AMELIA WYNNE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 05:48 EDT, 25 July 2020
The former editor of Vanity Fair has branded Harry and Meghan's move to LA a 'terrible mistake' because the Prince doesn't fit in there.
Graydon Carter ran the publication when Meghan Markle announced in an interview with the glossy magazine that her and Harry were 'two people who are really happy and in love'.
In an interview with The Telegraph the Canadian journalist, 71, said Harry would be crazy not to return to the UK, adding: 'Los Angeles is not a place for people who don't have a part in the professional firmament.
'Meghan was on a middling TV show that a lot of people didn't see, and as for Harry: being a soldier and liking football are just not saleable talents out there. You can get it right if you stay on message in LA'.
The former editor-in-chief also said that their move to Beverly Hills has saddened the British people and that 'it doesn't make a lot of sense to them'.
He added that it is hard for the couple to lecture people about the state of the planet when they're 'flying in private planes, living in a 14-bedroom Beverly Hills mansion and living off the state'.
Scobie has the scoop on them for months, but all of the sudden, they had no input regarding this book?
Supposedly they thought about ambushing HMTQ. What kind of humanitarians do that?
I find it very revealing lots of excerpts are being released, so that people don't need to buy it.
I am her target market. I never read the Tig blog or knew anyone else who did.
Nothing against Suits, but it's a cable TV show. It is not filmed in Hollywood to my knowledge.
Suits is the type of show that comes on the TV in a hotel room when you flip it on, or the show on the treadmill at the gym.
I think it strives to be like NCIS or Law & Order, but those shows are way better. I did not know who she was or any of the actors on that show. None of them were household names.
@Swampwoman~ you’re the reason I had to finally jump in. A Bit OT, I spit my tea when you mentioned the Three Gorges Dam. I predicted years ago, that it would collapse in my lifetime!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-451125/Revealed-The-renovated-estate-meant-Prince-William-Kates-lovenest.html
Also: the silly tussle over Herefordshire vs. Hertfordshire reminded me of that song “The Rain in Spain” from My Fair Lady:
In Hartford Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly happen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8558295/Harry-Meghan-felt-cut-adrift-frustrated-William-Kate-got-best-official-roles.html
The Daily Mail seems to be enjoying the excerpts. "Courtiers 'feared they would eclipse' The Queen's popularity, Finding Freedom biography claims."
Do the Harkles STILL feel they are in a position to upstage the Queen now? The grandiosity, the grift, and the garish need for attention seem to shine through every news item. Little wonder they are trying to distance themselves from the Omid book at this point, but isn't it too late? Just a month or two ago, wasn't Meghan trying to rush the book out.
When Scoobs first start pushing his book, didn't he keep bleating about how the public would be shocked at how the Harkles were treated, and thus understand why they had to find freedom? Thus far, every single whine and petulant pout is as expected.
Does the Harkle willingness to allow their "friends" to be interviewed about all their inner thoughts and feelings in the lead up to Megxit contradict their various lawsuits? I mean, if they're suing about the back of Archie's leg being photographed, why aren't they upset about their idiot idea about dropping in on the Queen being exposed.
Sigh.
It's telling how emotionally uninvested they are in making a secure nest for their child.
I think they're not emotionally invested in that child (whoever, wherever he may be) in any way whatsoever.
There are parallels with Princess Diana's story.
Of course there are. It's always been the plan to copy Diana as much as possible.
mm has every phrase the woman ever uttered memorized. I gave up my life for that family...Diana said something very similar.
because the world loves us and not you
Definitely what's important to them...that they're more popular than W/C.
Quite the perspective for a humanitarian to take, eh?
Willing to do whatever it takes? She couldn't even let the Queen get into a car first.
Nor even properly curtsey to the queen. She gave the queen the least amount humanly possible, whereas Catherine did a clear, respectful curtsey.
Do whatever it takes...like honor the hierarchy and walk behind W/C, show some respect to the queen, not publish their stupid things on the same day as someone higher up the chain, not honor the chain of command.
Can you fathom working with them? They'd come in and tell the CEO how to run the company, and then stomp off and bad mouth him publicly if he didn't acquiesce.
had they attended Christmas at Sandringham they could have spoken to her directly!
For all of their fussing about having to work thru courtiers, wouldn't Sandringham have been the perfect opportunity to communicate directly with their family members?
They could have accomplished a lot there, behind the scenes, away from listening ears.
But no, they didn't really want that. They wanted the drama of fighting it out on Instagram or Twitter. Because they just knew the public would take their side, being as they're so popular and all.
It wasn't about coming to consensus, coming to an agreement. It was about getting their way in every little thing.
And what better way to do that than airing dirty laundry in public and having the Sussex Squad come to their defense? The family wouldn't dare not give in to them then!
Agree. But he makes the mistake of believing absolutely everything his wife tells him, and she has no problems lying about anything and everything to anyone.
rather how to make the BRF work for them. they actually used the time to get a new website set up and create their manifesto or their list of demands.
That had to feel like the ultimate betrayal to the queen, Charles, William.
No wonder there was no 'warmth' in the royal statement, and no warm greetings at the Commonwealth Service. It was probably all they could do to even be in the same room as the Harkles.
After hearing H talking in a sexual way about their young son with Greta, H should lucky that one of them didn't yank his head off.
With all the text says about the chaos that followed the release of the statement, I expected a line or two saying that the Sussexes were sorry about causing emotional distress to two nonagenarians or creating a big headache for staff. That they had had no choice but to do what they had done but they wished it hadn't hurt or inconvenienced others so much.
So true. Interesting that there was no remorse expressed for all the hurt that they'd caused, and continue to cause.
Apologies for the Greta conversation about George would definitely be in order. Apologies for the mean things said about Catherine would be good.
Something about in hindsight they realize that they didn't honor the chain of command properly and regret that.
I find it hilarious that she and JH resented the fact that W & K got the best royal assignments, since MM managed to screw up the assignments they did have (dressing inappropriately, flouting the rules of protocol, and pushing JH aside so that she could greet people first, even though he outranked her).
She was so prepared to 'hit the ground running' that she thought she could just step into the big roles, and just behave however she wanted to.
She had no intention of following protocols, serving the queen, representing the queen (she was only there to represent herself), being gracious in any way.
It was all about what could she get out of it. Preferably money, lots of it. And she wasn't interested in earning it. She wanted it handed to her.
She wants to be praised, adored, fawned over, and that's all she wants. Oh, and lots of free money. Did I mention money? Lots of it.
Not interested in learning, giving, communicating, dialogues.
The book basically sets the boundary that they clearly crossed. The consequence should be no royal patronages, no royal titles and no money out the royal purse.
Harry has his own personal money. Let him learn the art of budgeting at a tender age of 36 with his 40 years old wife.
- they exaggerate their contributions, even the smallest ones
- they overlook their own transgressions, in fact, they don't even think they are transgressions
- they think that things in life come unearned - money, reputation, affection
- they expect others to live up to the moral standards they don't think apply to them
- they are devoid of maternal and paternal instincts
- they don't listen to advice
- they never apologise
- they think everything is a money making opportunity
- they think that people don't trust their own eyes but will believe what they say
Anything else?
On Commonwealth Day, if they weren't received in the fashion that they'd hoped for, perhaps they should have remembered how they publicly disrespected the Queen and the whole family. Camilla's speech on domestic violence had been overshadowed by MM's social media posting about her patronage. Rumor has it that they were told explicitly not to post on that day. Not only was the Instagram post on SR on that day, but I believe it was at the exact time of Cam's speech. No wonder Cam looked disgusted.
They have a strange way of thinking about how the world works:
- they exaggerate their contributions, even the smallest ones
- they overlook their own transgressions, in fact, they don't even think they are transgressions
- they think that things in life come unearned - money, reputation, affection
- they expect others to live up to the moral standards they don't think apply to them
- they are devoid of maternal and paternal instincts
- they don't listen to advice
- they never apologise
- they think everything is a money making opportunity
- they think that people don't trust their own eyes but will believe what they say
Anything else?
-They purposely throw away people, animals,and anyone/anything that doesn't agree with them or fit into their money making schemes including parents and grandparents.
Some think it's just Meghan's MO but unfortunately Harry's head is so far up her bum he can no longer think on his own so he goes along with everything she wants even the Markling nasty habit. It's sad to see his downward spiral.
So what will the consequences be for H&M for throwing the RF under the bus with that sordid tome they are bring out soon? Hmmmm. Wondering and smh if nothing is doled out...
Lurker here since day 1. Didn’t realize how important you guys are to me until the accidental shut off a few weeks back. This is such an intelligent group of people!! My first turn off was the JCMH story to leave her alone when they were dating. And it went downhill from there.
@Swampwoman~ you’re the reason I had to finally jump in. A Bit OT, I spit my tea when you mentioned the Three Gorges Dam. I predicted years ago, that it would collapse in my lifetime!
Glad to see you joining in! I check every morning to see if 3 Gorges Dam is still there. I read that one of the three engineers that designed it died of illness in Wuhan yesterday...
Prince Harry and Meghan's lack of protest to 'Finding Freedom' sugges…
By Camilla Tominey,
25 July 2020 • 4:55pm
http://archive.ph/QjrLL
No Meghan. It was the Queen who gave up her entire life for "this family".
Thank you for the Telegraph Article!
That one is going to rank my the top 10 for dead on accuracy and fearlessness.
The media seem to be getting braver every day with what they are willing to reveal about Grim and Grimmer. Dont you love it?
Maybe soon we will have answers to some of the bigger questions. And perhaps the RF will see the support for
pulling the funding and titles from the Harkles.
And thank you in advance for the Finding Freedom excerpts.
@Swampwoman
If that dam blows, the accounts I've been reading say up to 400 million could be imperiled.
Many thanks for posting that. Phenomenal read. Wonderful use of words. And absolutely nailed it.
Thank you so much for your efforts!
One aide said she 'comes with a lot of a baggage' while another said 'there's something about her I don't trust'.
So many others thought there was a lot about her that’s not to trust. Too bad she was allowed to get her foot in the door of the Palace. :o/
Camilla Tominey’s piece in The Telegraph is truly superb, she’s one of the best royal editors around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8560119/Duelling-duchesses-never-friends.html
The friends who are quoted likely think their comments put H&M in a sympathetic and flattering light but they don't IMO.
Saying M said there was no reason or neccessity to pull H's military honors was probably said to make M look sympathetic and supportive of her husband (for once!) But it's really saying M understands the ins and outs of what is necessary or desirable within the monarchy better than HMTQ. Not flattering to M. And silly besides. What was H going to do, hop a private jet from LA to come to occasional ceremonies decked out for his role as an honorary commander? He's still got Invictus and can do whatever he wishes with that.
Saying the RF should have put their arms around H&M in March to comfort them after what they'd been through...And just what had they been through? Getting married in an OTT paid-for wedding held in TQ's favorite chapel, choosing to quickly have a child, having plenty of free money for designer clothes and other luxuries, going to Australia and SA on all-expense paid tours (even taking friends along on one), having an essentially unlimited budget to decorate a rent-free house, having been on what amounted to a 4-month paid "vacation" at that point complete with taxpayer-provided security.... Saying the RF should have seen their suffering after all of that is just insane. It also spectacularly ignores the pain H&M clearly caused others.
Just nuts. I also wonder if they are as welcome to come back as they supposedly were in January following the Sandringham Summit. An awful lot has happened since then including publicly criticizing the very existence of the Commonwealth.
This pretty much gives the RF to unleash the hounds upon them. Perhaps by tge end of the year we will learn the circumstances of Archie’s birth. If the Harkles deceived the RF, about Meghan’s alleged pregnancy then I’d guess a well-placed leak about the surrogacy would not be surprising one bit.
People with narcissistic personality disorder are tremendously unhappy people who have a continuous undercurrent of anger flowing through their lives. Combined with incredibly low self esteem.
Their go-to brand of vitriol in any sort of power or personality battle is usually to go nuclear, which is why a divorce from a narcissist, especially if they didn’t initiate it, are legendary in terns of nastiness, which doesn’t stop after the divorce decree is issued.
Megxit was a form of a divorce. No matter what happens, Meghan will attempt to be a thorn in the side of the RF as she attempts to continue to portray herself as a victim while hurling embellishments and accusations at anyone associated with the RF.
Once HMTQ, PP and PC are gone, she will turn her ire fully on William, Kate, AND their children. Possibly the York sisters too. It will not end. EVER. It is about attention, power, and control. Narcissists are so venomous that they often attempt to inflict damage and control from the grave, usually via their will and estate. I have a friend who is a lawyer who specializes in wills and estate planning. I’ve heard some amazing stories of bitterness from the afterlife.
Meghan is the same type of person, and she will go to great lengths to poison the mind of Archie and any other children she manages to download one way or another so that they will carry on her battle for her. They will be what are known in psychological circles as flying monkeys for their narcissistic mother.
Did M really think K should have made more of an effort to be a guide into the family (given that she had 3 young kids, patronages and not a lot of shared similar life experiences) and become not just a friend but a close friend? M had courtiers to help guide her and if she wasn't interested in learning from them (they who know/live/breathe the tiny details of royal life and taught K) why would M listen to K?
Who really thought they would be best of friends just because their husbands were brothers? That's like because the moms are friends and expecting the kids will be friends.
(there could be a lot of reasons as to why K did not invite M to join her in shopping such as other stops, minimal time to get errands done, or prior scheduled meetup to do this with a friend before you get to she just didn't want to or maybe even didn't know M's plans. If M chose to view that as a personal slight, a message as M was unwanted, well then it didn't really matter what K did/didn't do this time because it was only a question of when something else was viewed as a slight. AKA when all M had was a hammer, she viewed everything as a nail for her hammer).
thanks Wullie'sBucket
It could do, insofar as they could be locked into a relationship of co-dependency.
For that to end, either:
-Harry would have to have used up every last penny he can get his hands on - and she identifies a more promising mark prepared to give her what she wants.
- or Harry is prepared to admit he'd got it wrong - have the guts to tell her to got to h*ll and mean it - and have the humility to come back to the UK, with his tail between his legs, and throw himself on the mercy of the Crown and the British people.
Otherwise, they'll go on like this for the rest of their days, until death intervenes, whether by natural causes /`misadventure'/or homicide, one of the other.
They should be thankful that they are connected to the British RF as it exists today - their fate could have been very different had they been in the top family of the Ottoman Empire in the Topkapi palace in 'Stamboul or members of Caesar Augustus' family (remember `I, Claudius'? Didn't Claudius have his wife, Messalina, executed?)
I wouldn't like to estimate the odds for what might happen with our Clawed-ius and Megalina, but I don't think H has the nous even to buy himself (and Archie) a ticket for a commercial flight to Heathrow.
What do Nutties think?
Thanks for the excerpts!
My parents loathed my narc ex with such vehemence they said they would have cut me off without a penny had I stayed married to him. I'm not sure what that says about them, it's not very nice and there's no answer to a swipe from beyond the grave.
Thankfully, I got my divorce before they died and didn't have to pay him. Nevertheless, I'm only now shredding the records of the divorce - I kept them in case he came back in hope of more money.I'm glad I didn't decide to wait it out - he died a couple of years ago, aged 88; I'd have had to hung on for 35 years.
if it truly was PH and not the both of them , how ricidulous.
He’s really very clueless/ naive/ sheltered or just a narc like his wife.
He put in his notice to the Firm and was on his last day of Royal work and yet he expected to be treated like a senior Royal and be featured in some Royal procession into the church?
He throws a Hissy Fit about it, and then the Cambridges once again have smooth over his/Suxxexes hurt feelings. MM was smiling like the cat that ate the canary, and PH was moping around. no wonder the Camridges were over it and the Harkle drama, and just wanted the day done.
Why would JCMH or the Harkles care about being in the Royal Procession if they just wanted OUT and he wants to be a Joe/Schmoo and out of that life?
Why does JCMH think he is above it all? he’s now behind George, Charlotte, Louis in line for the throne. Surely he understands his Uncles Edward and Andrew were in a similar position to him at one time, as was his Great Aunt Margaret. There can only be one, he’s known that since he was a child, in a way PC is to blame for not encouraging JH to find another option for a profession.
I hope Wills and Kate take notice of PH’s crazy and encourage education, bring up all their children with a sense of duty, and have them attend unversity so they have an option for a profession/career/ if they choose not to do the Royal thing.
💋😍💋
I notice that the book refers to the Duchess of Cambridge as “Kate,” rather than her given name, Catherine. Destroys any illusion of objectivity!
Lizzie, not just that she knows better than the Queen (about removing his military honors) but that this is the same couple who opted for Disney over a military meet and greet so that decision should not have had any repercussions for him.
Thank you lovely and knowledgable Lt.Uhura - our journalist expert.
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Aw, *blushing* -- YVW! :)
Lizzie, not just that she knows better than the Queen (about removing his military honors) but that this is the same couple who opted for Disney over a military meet and greet so that decision should not have had any repercussions for him.
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But it DID have repercussions. The military event was supposed to be in his role as Captain General of the Royal Marines to honor the Marines that were killed at Deal by members of the IRA. It was planned months in advance, yet at the last minute Harry opted to schmooze Disneyites at a show.
I and other veterans and their families will never, EVER forgive him, and I'm glad he was stripped of his military titles.
"Also putting their arms around the Sussex duo when strict instructions had been given that social distancing was to be observed?"
I'm not sure the "hugs" friends thought they deserved were supposed to be literal but maybe figurative. Also, was social distancing in effect? The church gathering being held kind of argued against that and chairs were close together....it's hard to remember, there have been so many changes virus-wise since March...but I think what was in effect was no touching, no kissing, no handshakes...so M flinging herself at that student during the school appearance on that trip was bad.
I agree about Sophie's look! Priceless especially because she rarely shows displeasure in public.
I was wondering if that was really the Cambridges. All of the sudden "friends" are speaking to the media on their behalf? We have never seen the Cambridges do this, but friends of MM certainly do.
Cambridges do not need to explain anything. People saw the whole story with their own eyes.
"And the excerpts said the Harkles are trying to distance themselves from this book. It is passive-aggressive behavior aimed at deflecting the sh!t that is likely to hit the royal fan after HMTQ, PC, and W&K read it or read the excerpts.
I hope they are stripped of everything possible. This is beyond disgusting behavior. Family or not, if anyone in my family acted like the Harkles, they wouldn’t be welcomed back into the family easily. The RF know that even if the Harkles break up and Harry returns to the UK with Archie ( if Harry manages to escape Meghan and remain alive) Harry can never ever be trusted.
Harry apparently never heard the adage “Don’t sh!t where you eat.”
Bravo!
I have NO doubt the Harkles are the one's that lobbed the grenade -The email to The Queen and Charles'leaked to the press. What a crock of crap that "book" is turning out to be but I expected a colossal crock of crap. They are just grossly negligent on all fronts. They should lose ALL of their royal perks and the sooner the better.
It had just started and I noticed people picked up on Charles shaking hands when it was a no-no. Agree, it was a weird set up in the church, again I think it was because we were just going into that mode.
time out.
Lizzie said: "Saying M said there was no reason or neccessity to pull H's military honors was probably said to make M look sympathetic and supportive of her husband (for once!) But it's really saying M understands the ins and outs of what is necessary or desirable within the monarchy better than HMTQ. Not flattering to M...."
My comment was that they should have expected something in response to their blowing off the military for Disney.
Was social distancing in effect at the service? Well sort of. They were not supposed to shake hands because I remember PC did "namaste". There were comments about not shaking hands and then a comment of look how PC handled it.
I hope they are stripped of everything possible.
I hope so too. If this disgraceful book isn’t enough to motivate the Queen to cut them loose, nothing will be IMO.
I agree blowing off the Deal memorial event was huge. I read someone on Quora claimed the palace didn't want Harry to go to that but I find that very hard to believe. And if they had been some behind the scenes reasoning (which I don't think there was) then certainly going to the Lion King premiere instead wouldn't have been advised!
"I hope so too. If this disgraceful book isn’t enough to motivate the Queen to cut them loose, nothing will be IMO".
Sadly, I agree.
“It was so unnecessary,” Meghan later told a friend. “And it’s not just taking something away from him; it’s also that entire military veteran community. You can see how much he means to them, too. So why? The powers [of the institution] are unfortunately greater than me.”
So that's why Harry had to attend the premiere of the Lion King? Shamelessly touting for business for Madam when he should have been at Deal. Yes, Megsy, 'it was so unnecessary', you can say that again. I bet the witch dragged him to the film premiere and then she has the gall to complain and say he means so much to the military veteran community but is the reverse true? I'm sure he meant so much to the marines in Deal too.
HARRY AND MEGHAN | INTERVIEW
The Times
“Unfortunately, I feel like it’s the royal family that lost, because the Sussexes as a couple and Meghan as an individual represented a level of modernity that we hadn’t seen in the House of Windsor before. She did represent inclusion. She was representative of a different demographic. That doesn’t exist anymore.”
Yes she had all that, but like the demanding diva she is, she flushed her opportunities to really make a difference, with no thought of Harry and their child's future, down the loo like a dead gold fish. I can see her dusting off her hands and saying with the flush, "Well that's done". Next!
Absolutely vomit inducing.
As long as Harry's money is going into procedures for Markle's face, they'll be together.
Yes she had all that, but like the demanding diva she is, she flushed her opportunities to really make a difference, with no thought of Harry and their child's future, down the loo like a dead gold fish. I can see her dusting off her hands and saying with the flush, "Well that's done". Next!
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Well said.
Yikes about how being female and black equaled aggression and difficult. I can remember when being female meant you ought to out work any guy and then make a snide comment about how easy that was. Way back. Since then many guys have grown up watching their mother work and seeing their sister work ... so, I don't buy into the idea that merely because she was biracial that all these negative labels were applied like glitter in an environment where a female was head of state might be viewed as an oddity.
I could, however, think that perhaps if she thought merely being a princess meant that people said yes and then did as you ordered might then not take kindly to receiving emails early in the morning about what they were to do by the time they actually came into the office.
What is interesting is the play about how PW refers to her as this girl and how they had fought (the great battle?) about people trying to take advantage of them for years, easing off of long time friends and that JH took offense at M being described as this girl instead of thinking My brother is trying to protect me. And that JH took the offense. Maybe he was looking for a reason to get angry at his family? And, this was a beginning of sorts?
I'm thinking about the idea that they have a life where every single person is automatically suspect as trying to get something out of me level of paranoia and why, what at something 30+ that might make someone allow their guard to drop.
(suddenly grateful that every single person I see is not someone I need to have "prove" something)
The lifestyle she envies belongs to people who are worth hundreds of millions of dollars up to billions. They are way beyond Meghan’s league, and a royal title without any true achievement beyond spreading her legs does not often impress this group of people THAT much.
We’ve already seen how well she spends other people’s money to establish herself as an uber celebrity while grabbing for the shallow status that comes with it, which Megan relishes. Spending all of their victim’s money is a common trait of people with NPD, so it’s not fat fetched to figure that one way or another, Meghan will burn through every dollar Harry has in his inheritance incomes from Diana and the Queen Mother, every dollar he receives as an allowance from Charles (at least for the present moment), and every dollar the two of them make as “independent royals.” It will never be enough for Meghan.
I tend to think that deep debt that rivals the Mariana Trench will be their eventual undoing. The codependency of their relationship, although very strong right now, is still a relationship between two very damaged people, and it likely will not be able to survive running out of cash and credit. Huge problems can overwhelm healthy and stable marriages between psychologically stable partners, let alone a pair like Meghan Nd Harry.
With this book, I believe the Harkles have crossed a line with Harry’s family. It has put another log on the fire they started to attempt to destroy the thousand year-old institution that is the very source of everything tangible and intangible the Sussexes have. It will not win friends and influence at the palace, where they would likely turn to demand a bailout. If they keep up with this sort of behavior, I doubt anyone in the Royal Family would advance them enough money to buy a pack of gum.
Absolutely still interested!
This is how I see it as an American, and I may be totally off base here: Harry and Megs could have both made an honest effort, worked very hard, obeyed dress codes and protocols, not leak/whine to the press or try to set up a rivalry to the Cambridges and other royals, and been nice to the people that were trying to help them. They could have kept their mouths shut, ears open, and worked to the best of their ability to support the Queen and other family members. Had they done that and still found their position untenable after a few years, I believe that they could have come in quietly for a meeting, said "We're given it our best, but we honestly aren't the right people for this!" and something could have been worked out that may have suited them better or included more of their interests. While I believe that the press would have had sharp eyes (and knives) looking for every tiny mistake, I do not believe the British public would have abandoned them if they were truly giving it their all.
The out-law did focus on herself and what she wanted. She changed careers into something that she was a natural at, became quite wealthy working for others and then started her own business. She subsequently married a wealthy man that she met through her business and they raised a son together. They are semi-retired now and vacation around the world and are quite happy with each other and their life together. None of this could have happened if she hadn't looked forward instead of backwards.
Meghan kept looking backwards toward a failed career and the need to impress people that didn't matter instead of looking forward and discovering her own better future.
SwampWoman - nicely put and true for many of us leaving bad situations.
Wullie'sBucket - Yes please (and thank you).
"Will their relationship/marriage last?
It could do, insofar as they could be locked into a relationship of co-dependency."
I can't see it lasting much longer with the toxicity they have melded between the two of them. Co-dependency, yes because of their child, now bordering on an emotional enmeshment with the 'it's you and me against everyone else" glue that tends to hold these toxic couplings together. IMO many of those involvements last waaaayyy too long, causing children, family, friends, co-workers nothing but grief.
In the excerpts, I see the Narc blaming tactic in every supposed sentence that pathetic pairing is quoted as saying.
Whether they contributed or not, Omid Scobie fails at polishing the turd...
Grasper and Casper
“On the trail of the lonesome whine”
"Meghan kept looking backwards toward a failed career and the need to impress people that didn't matter instead of looking forward and discovering her own better future."
Interesting take. I do agree if H&M had appeared to try to actually serve the monarchy vs it seeming to be about only what H&M wanted from Day #1, leaving the RF later on likely would have been less damaging and more acceptable.
I suppose one could also say Harry also kept looking backward--- at his failure to be born before William, his (understandable to most adults) likely childhood failures in outperforming an older brother, his failure to be more "important" to the monarchy than William....
"This is how I see it as an American, and I may be totally off base here: Harry and Megs could have both made an honest effort, worked very hard, obeyed dress codes and protocols, not leak/whine to the press or try to set up a rivalry to the Cambridges and other royals, and been nice to the people that were trying to help them. They could have kept their mouths shut, ears open, and worked to the best of their ability to support the Queen and other family members. Had they done that and still found their position untenable after a few years, I believe that they could have come in quietly for a meeting, said "We're given it our best, but we honestly aren't the right people for this!" and something could have been worked out that may have suited them better or included more of their interests. While I believe that the press would have had sharp eyes (and knives) looking for every tiny mistake, I do not believe the British public would have abandoned them if they were truly giving it their all".
This right here!!^^^ Yes! Well said.
I'm American too. I'm rare in my family that I am so interested in the British Royals. I can't explain it just that I am. Nobody in my circle whether it's family, friends, co-workers, even think an iota about those two. They are a nothing burger. They are not considered celebrities here! When I do mention them (rarely) they say they're embarrassed by her behavior as she represented America or how awful they have treated the Queen who is well admired in my part of the USA. That basically, H&M are F'ups. I've heard that a lot here in the Wild West where people do not mince words :)
Grasper and Casper
“On the trail of the lonesome whine”
LOL! At it again I see:)
Wow, an actual truthful moment, but too generous. #MeghanMarkle was a former prostitute who gave BJ and tossed salads to any hockey player in Toronto. She had a trick and was called mr. clean. Of course they called her other things behind her back.
"It seems like the Harkles may have markled themselves!
They have opened Pandora's box with this book".
I agree wholeheartedly! I can't help but think they've damned themselves to a very frigid hell!
As for the Harkles ... stupidity has its costs, darlings, and this is what theater folks call a fiasco. A bad play, a bad night, then absolutely everything goes wrong. There is no amount of Sunshine Sachs spin to turn these two entitled, hypocritical brats into “superstars” to use Scooby’s own terminology. They have made the Nazi-loving Duke & Duchess of Windsor look dignified comparatively.
Strangely, H&M have probably seen more human suffering first hand, by virtue of their charity visits, than many of us on this blog. Certainly more than me, I’ve never been to Africa or AIDS wards myself. Prince Harry, at least, was dragged to all sorts of homeless shelters, hospitals and charity homes as a child. Yet I have not heard one PR blast about their gratitude to any member of the royal family. Not one genuine thank you to his father & brother.
As for the Queen, how could Harry’s disrespect extend to participating in a tawdry tell-all? Horrible Harry. Even pervy Andrew treats the Queen right.
They’re done.
Thanks for all the excerpts. I can accept the previous ones as Megans point of view plus lots of her narc distortions. They are say 20% legitimate.
The last three about why Thomas was not at the wedding are 99% lies as told by Megs to Omid. Omid her willing conveyor of lies. One proof they are lies is look who else Megan has ghosted. Look how she split Harry from his family. Plus look how cruelly she treated her father after the wedding/ She connived all along to get the duped and besotted Charles to walk her down the aisle.
..... As for the Queen, how could Harry’s disrespect extend to participating in a tawdry tell-all? Horrible Harry. Even pervy Andrew treats the Queen right.
xxxxx said...
..... She connived all along to get the duped and besotted Charles to walk her down the aisle.
Lily Love said...
..... The BRF need to cut both of them off and strip them of their titles.
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^^^ These.
Rest assured I'll read 'em and answer, tho :)
Thank you so much for your efforts!!!
@Wulliie's Bucket, thank you for the excerpts. I don;t think the Griper and the Viper have done themselves any favors.. This just reveals, in their own words, how deluded and entitled they are. Will they sue themselves now for damaging their reputation?
It would be pretty funny if Sunshine Sachs dropped the Harkles after this fiasco of a book.
I have to say, they are more balanced than I expected and frankly harsher (in my eyes) than Lady Colin Campbell's as a poor reflection of the Harkles.
Omid did a decent job, imagine being him - he is young, career starter, managed to suck up to MM without getting Markled (yet). He has done a decent job with the book, I'll give the kid that.
I do think it will blow up on them, it is CONSTANT pity party, incessant. Not a good look.
Can't wait for your thoughts when you return!
Nice comments about women who tried to help M. Comments not friendly
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8560281/The-team-high-achieving-women-wanting-promote-bosss-world-vision.html
I am probably going to die in a couple of weeks, but at least my hair looks good. And I won't have to finish painting the house.
The Duke and Merchess of SUEsex ~ DM (rather lengthy) article re: OmiT Scobie book frustrating William and Catherine ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8560269/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-hit-biography-said-shunned-Meghan-Harry.html
Back to Wullie's excerpts!
Sitting in a bath later that night, FaceTiming with a friend, the bride-to-be said she had left her dad a final message, adding: “I can’t sit up all night just pressing send.”
I have this vision. This is the night before her wedding?
Omids short sighted,
lacks focus
He’s failed with his latest
Meg opus
His wish to fulfil
Megs mission by quill
Comes omid calls of oooh
Scoobie you Doofus!!
It definitely seems they have burned all their bridges and then some ...
If this has been posted prior, scroll on. Yankee Wally sent for original Travalyst filing papers and it has never been filed as charity but as a Limited Company.
https://twitter.com/yankeewally2/status/1286290513684058114
Through a glass darkly
gazed our mistress sparkly
Demanding approval from all
Through hell or high water
this prodigal daughter
will get what she’s due
thats F...all
Meghan wants it all
so quick
Snaps her pincers
clickety click
What Meghan wants
but doesn’t get
Is entree to
the ‘A‘ list set
LOL
love your latest
more more!
Just for you Wullie 😉
Durand Durand
and her tales that abound
of Megsy and Harry
aren’t new
Not for one minute
do I believe in it
that Megs wasn’t part of her crew!
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No, I didn't think so either.
Of course, we didn't heard Prince William say it, so have no idea of his tone of voice or whether the name `Meghan' would have stuck in his throat, but it strikes me as being almost value neutral, more so than `that girl' would have been.
They couldn't to condemn it as `racist' but surely `snobbish' isn't the right word either? I assume they are trying to put a slant on it to stir up the British public, who dislike snobbery.
The term `Snobbery' is `classist', and I don't see `this girl' as such. I can imagine it being used as readily of a dodgy girl friend of equal, or higher, status by any Brit of any status.
Perhaps it only an indication of H's limited vocabulary - if something's not `amazing' it's either `racist' or `snobbish'?
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Presumably, the Times has had to pay handsomely to publish these excerpts? Is it just for their circulation - a scoop over their rivals? Or is there perhaps an ulterior motive? Had it been the Grauniad or Indie, I'd have suspected a republican agenda, but the Times?
Is it that they believe their readers want to know what's been said without demeaning themselves by buying the book? At least they can be seen reading the Times in public, on the train going up to the City, whereas they wouldn't want to be seen dead holding a copy of `FF'
Suggestions, please...
I’ve only read an article where Harry is calling William a snob, not Megsy being called or referred to as one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8560125/Harry-branded-William-snob-warning-girl-Meghan-Markle-biography-claims.html
I said the below yesterday, I do believe a tone or a narrative (for racism) is being set up within the book... :o/
WBBM said, Some of his points, like the one about courtiers not liking having to serve a very minor actress, surely would have been expressed differently had he been using his previous toadying tone?
He could also be setting the tone for his/their argument she was treated differently by courtiers and it ends with an ism.
Blogger keeps freezing up...joyless. :o/
I was going by the first edition's front pages as dealt with by BBC News24 shortly after 10.30 last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers
I didn't say/mean to imply that Megsy was called a `snob'; I was referring to H's attack on what William said, or the tone which Harry heard. I can imagine an older member of the RF calling her a `showgirl', a reference to the Olivier/Munroe film of 1957. That is, a member not known for mincing his words.
@WildBoar
Jeeze we now have to add snobbism
to all the other ‘isms’
Megs appeared snobbish herself when refusing food
in Morocco and S.Africa. Implied that the food, and company
were beneath her.
If my son brought home a Meghan
I would call her more than that/this girl!
I hear when tossing a salad
its best that your prince is quite pallid
To have and to hold
his crown jewels I’m told
Look better when poached
and ‘just’ flaccid
You're so much braver than I -
I hesitated to comment on her `tricks' as the images conjured up were so revolting! Less said the better...
@WildBoar
I’m hoping the Times are showing their allegiance
to the crown, as in the the UK public who uphold
the monarchy.
I don't think though calling a woman a girl"l has the same negative connotations that calling a man a boy"l can sometimes have. "Boy" can be demeaning (although it's not always--- "boys night out," "boys in the band", for example), girl is at worst is devoid of reality. "This woman" would have fit M better but I doubt Harry (and certainly not M) was insulted Will failed to acknowledge M's more advanced age!
Saying "this girl" instead of "Meghan" was distancing and impersonal. But from everything that's been said, there was distance and it was impersonal. If I had been around a sib's boyfriend/girlfriend a grand total of 2 or 3 times when that person came flying in from abroad for a long weekend, it's hardly likely I'd feel I had a close personal.relationship with the person. I would have advised slowing down too if my sib mentioned marriage and I don't think I'm nearly as cautious as Will. My warning wouldn't have anything to do with my feelings (impersonal is just that, it's not about feelings). It would just be common sense. The time until "death we do part" will (hopefully) be long so best to be sure. Living on different continents and having only romantic interludes isn't the best way to get to really know a person.
Finally, why did Harry volunteer that stupid insensitive remark about his family at Christmas in 2017 that seemed to create such understandable ill will with members of M's family ("the family M never had") if he was so pissed off at his family's welcome? Was he lying then or is he lying now? It's almost as though both H&M initially took "never complain, never explain" to mean when upset, don't complain but instead go all out to volunteer all kinds of extensive lies.
Yes, I hope so too. Anything to cut her down to size.
MM demonstrates a kind of (beauty/appearance) (snobbery/narcissism) - any combination of qualifier & noun will do, like solving a quadratic equation, IIRC.
There was a time when there was a strong distinction between how `woman' and `lady' were used and it may well survive in Royal circles as a value judgement, related to social class/sexual mores.
`Girl' avoid the rocks offered by the `woman or lady' question - we oldies would probably agree that she may be a woman but, sure as H*ll, she's no lady. `Woman' can sound so derogatory although the ultra-democratically-minded wouldn't dream of calling a female a `lady'.
I still reckon it's more polite, and therefore less likely to cause trouble, if I say to a shop assistant, when queuing and someone pushes in front of me, `Excuse me, but I'm before that lady'.
Her only true words that I know of are `I'm such a fraud'.
That's ignoring the logical problem of deciding whether to believe a liar when they say they are lying!
I eat only a little meat, and some fish, so I say `I like vegetables' or `my diet is largely plant-based'. I wouldn't even try to make out I was `lacto-vegetarian', let alone vegetarian or vegan.
What she does is to make an immoral attempt to signal virtue by claiming the moral high ground.
Despicable.
And deigned to rescue the plebs when as a helicopter pilot , in the RAF in air-sea rescue and as a civvy in an Air Ambulance.
So, from what I conclude
its Megs that purports
Racism, Sexism, Ageism, Snobbism etc
Megism is rife, and unfounded!!
@SwampWoman
Yes!! Very diplomatic of William.
My words/names would have been
unprintable, or verging on libellous!
Among all the friends and family Harry and Meghan hosted at their house in Oxfordshire between May 2018 and March 2019, the Cambridges failed to visit. “The invite was there,” a source said.
The way it reads, it's suggesting to me that they're implying W&K were the only ones who didn't visit, which infers that everyone else did. Does anyone even begin to believe that HMTQ and PP trotted off to Oxfordshire for a cuppa after the previous statement in the book about how difficult it is to get a meeting with HMTQ at her own residences? I know I don't.
My son did bring home a Meghan type,
not as skilled, or as “accomplished” as Megs.
But, she was bad!!
As I posted earlier, “that girl” was the least of what I said!
My husband, more diplomatic, smoothed things over for a while.
My son finally saw sense, I hope, when I mentioned her next step
would be pregnancy?
Bloody nightmare all round.
Also, how does everyone feel about fact that Doria *MANY WEEK AHEAD OF TIME* received hand delivered fancy royal invite to wedding by Royal Courtiers but Thomas received NOTHING. How does that play into this narrative that Meghan always wanted him there?? And what team do they have in Rosarito? Has anyone else been there?? Anyone else drive from LA?! Imagining that is actually hilarious. It’s several hours and hefty border control from LA. During the week?? Omg, the traffic from LA to San Diego area alone can be 4-5 HOURS, unless you leave at 3 or 4a. Are we to believe she can snap her fingers and British courtiers will show up in Rosarito at moments notice?! That’s funny.
@Wullie’s Bucket
Still not sure on publishing my thoughts?
I also scribble cartoons, badly, satirically!!
I haven't read all today's posts but thank you for your little poems. May long they continue 😄. We sure can do with a good dose of humour amid all this tawdry saga.