Apologies to all for my absence - I am overwhelmed by work-related duties related to the US election.
Here's a fresh link, so you no longer need to wade through 1000+ comments.
Back later in the week, I hope!
- Nutty
Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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Thanks. I'm just back from there. Harry Markle is the second blog to mention that the Harkles brought a film crew with them, too. We may see these tasteless images again on Netflix. This time, with mournful voiceovers from Prince and Princess Harry.
My father and another cousin flew together in a bomber crew and survived. Dad was one of the lucky ones, he'd also come through the First War in Flanders, as did his brother and 2 future brothers-in-law.
My uncle's entire (underage) high school class didn't graduate; they went and enlisted in the Army instead (in WWII). Uncle decided that he didn't like Army life/food so he climbed over the fence at training in Texas and enlisted in the Air Force. There was quite the little fuss made when his records finally caught up with him but the Air Force got to keep him (maybe the finders/keepers rule was invoked, I don't know). I do not know that life as a gunner in a bomber was materially better than the infantry. He never really talked about it but Mom said that the Air Force food was much better, and that was all that interested him as a teenager (at least, that is what he told Mom).
He came home alive and unwounded (many didn't), became an electrician, and lived a long life.
"One thing I noticed in her latest pictures, she's not pregnant :)"
I don't think she is either. But these pictures prove nothing. We've seen her go from sporting a flat stomach to a second trimester-sized bump in a matter of days so....:-)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8928765/Fashion-celebrity-snapper-Harry-Meghans-LA-cemetery-photoshoot.html
That's true.
We can but hope she isn't.
On Blind Gossip, there's a blind about "Snake and Poppy" -- two women who used to be good friends, until one of them was experiencing marital difficulties and the other, while comforting her to her face, made a move on her husband to see if she could nab him instead! The blind alleges that "Snake" is at it again, this time with another sad married woman's husband. Most of the guesses are Kim Kardashian as "Snake," but a couple also name Meghan!
I think Kim is clearly the correct answer, but I also wouldn't put this sort of thing past Meghan. (In the end, all narcissists look alike.) The circumstances of blind would fit her, too, if she tried to make a move on Nick Jonas when Priyanka started "dating" him. (Bearding for Nick would have been a fantastic fit for Meghan. No royal wedding, but how many grandiose "commoner" weddings did the Chopra-Jonases have?) And the new married friend she would be pretending to comfort would be either Serena Williams or Katherine McPhee. (Would she really want to run off with her third husband's "surrogate father," though? Even if he were much wealthier and older?)
Hey, I know! Perhaps the Harkles can do a documentary for Netflix on children with incurable diseases! They can emote sadly for the camera while ignoring the children, doctors, and families affected to tell about how painful their lives were in the royal family and they need money. Megs can showcase ugly shoes and inappropriate clothing and cheap jewelry. It should be an even bigger draw than stealing flowers from heroes graves in a National Cemetery.
Good Lord, are MM's fans ever dumb! Some of them are tweeting along the lines of "Isn't it terrible that Meghan and Harry can't even have a private moment of remembrance at a cemetery without being followed and photographed by paparazzi?" Would these be the same paps who hung out in a Canadian forest in the hope that MM would go for a walk with her baby and her dogs? The DM has now revealed that the "pap" is in fact a fashion photographer the Harkles have worked with in the past. Can their fans be any dumber?
They aren't dumb; they're paid.
First off, there are never any wreaths from the individual Royal Family members. The wreaths placed by Charles, William, Edward and Anne were all on behalf of various branches of the British military.
Next, the Palace has refused to comment on the story, so the news release obviously came from Markle.
For all we know, they may have never even made the request regarding the wreath. It could just be part of their Netflix story line.
They already confirmed that they lied to the press about Archie, so I guess that they will lie about anything. With the Netflix docudrama in production, we can expect a number of creative new stories that straddle truth and fiction.
First off, there are never any wreaths from the individual Royal Family members. The wreaths placed by Charles, William, Edward and Anne were all on behalf of various branches of the British military.
Next, the Palace has refused to comment on the story, so the news release obviously came from Markle.
For all we know, they may have never even made the request regarding the wreath. It could just be part of their Netflix story line.
They already confirmed that they lied to the press about Archie, so I guess that they will lie about anything. With the Netflix docudrama in production, we can expect a number of creative new stories that straddle truth and fiction.
Manufacturing conflict, the only thing that she knows how to do. Most people will say "Awwwww, POOOOOR BABY!" while rolling their eyes.
I always understood that being rear gunner was to be in the most dangerous seat of the lot - if the tail was shot off, the Tail End Charlie went down with it but the others stood a chance of landing with the rest of the plane. Your uncle was very lucky.
Dad was a radio operator, having been an army signaller in the First Show, and before that an electrician's boy.
It was a time of ordinary people doing extraordinary things. The true story that inspired `Inglorious Basterds' is just one example.
All of that is meaningless to Mugsy & H
You know, we don't even know whether the story about the RF refusing to place "Harry's wreath" is true.
First off, there are never any wreaths from the individual Royal Family members. The wreaths placed by Charles, William, Edward and Anne were all on behalf of various branches of the British military.
And Prince Harry, of all people in Montecito, should know that about the ceremonial wreaths!
Since the Palace's cruel rejection of Harry's heartfelt request is obviously going to be part of whatever the Harkles are filming, I hope the BRF believes that the best defense is a good offense. They might have been blindsided by the first story about "Harry's wreath," but now they know it's going to be a chapter in a longer saga, they can react accordingly. I wonder if a few more leaks about Harry's actual activities (or lack thereof) in the army are forthcoming.
Meghan Markle can NEVER leave Prince Harry, claims royal expert 'What is she otherwise?'
MEGHAN MARKLE has to "hang on" to Prince Harry because he's her "entrée" to worldwide celebrity according to an incendiary claim by a top royal author.
By JAMES BICKERTON
01:22, Sun, Nov 8, 2020 | UPDATED: 22:09, Sun, Nov 8, 2020
Ingrid Seward, editor of Majesty magazine, made the controversial assertion. She was speaking at the launch of her new book ‘Prince Philip Revealed: A Man of his Century’.
“Harry is totally mesmerised by her; he would follow her to the ends of the earth, that’s my feeling. He’s obsessed.
“He's being dragged around like a royal performing seal.
“And Meghan has got to hang on to Harry because he’s her entrée – what is she otherwise, but a starlet?”
Referring to the couple’s relationship she added: “God Almighty, Meghan has really moved at the speed of lightning.”
Ms Seward asserted Harry is very responsive to Meghan’s wishes.
She said: “A really glistening white wedding isn’t right for someone who’s already done it once as Meghan has.
“She’s a very LA girl – all that 'Oh Harry…' and all that hands-clasped business of Meghan’s.
Prince Harry 'living off his name' in the US claims Seward
“Harry lives up to the redhead image of a hothead totally, he always has – he’s very sensitive.”
Since stepping down as a senior royal Meghan has become more outspoken about issues close to her heart.
On Friday she endorsed Social Media Kindness Day, which takes place next Monday.
M appears determined to be allowed to stand in a crown pontificating and throwing orders as she did when she rudely took over the focus at that other little child’s birthday party (which we saw via old family video a few years ago). No one ever scolded M or taught her manners, judging from what we see.
Harry is so stupid and self-absorbed he actually thinks pinning a couple of medals (hope someone can tell if real or false) to a suit and trundling to a nearby cemetery with the missus for a distasteful fashion shoot somehow makes up for Deal and Invictus and repeatedly spitting on Queen and country.
We now see how indulged he was, how spoiled, how accustomed to skating by with minimum effort and no apologies. This is Harry.
The public disgust....if Harry is allowed to read DM. comments, it might finally be twigging that it is all over for him and the military.
Jessica, yes, I work in adv and branding, and your husband is quite right — they are making little money; bot lists is not making them rich. In fact many list companies must purge bad data so her game must be selling bad lists, a very low level hustle, to naive mum bloggers.
@Louise
Yep, Harry left the army and his ceremonial military position has been suspended. No one lays a wreath at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day as an individual. I think for the first time this year, there wasn't a wreath from Phillip either as he has handed over his ceremonial military positions to others in his family.
Why do the Harkles always petulantly expect special treatment? It is childish and is really making them look bad.
A handwritten note of apology and 'my thoughts are with you' from Harry to the regiments/whatever would have been appropriate but, no, they went for a photo op in a cemetry.
If I apply compassion to the Harkles (just my opinion):
* Harry must be climbing the walls. I doubt that he knew exactly how it would be when he went along with Meghan's plan to try and be an A-lister in Hollywood, using the royal connection and Harry's wealth. Surely he does actually love his family and is missing them, his country, his friends, his traditions?
* She supported this bizarre photo op in a cemetry to try and appease him because she herself could not care less about British or royal traditions or honouring the fallen from the two World Wars and other conflicts. Two standard pieces of acting from Meghan: girly/sex kitten, and pretending she is engaged and interacting with other people. She went beyond her repertoire on this occasion for her husband because she needs his wealth, his ability to open doors for her, and his adoration of her.
* As some pointed out, they strolled for the cameras in a cemetry holding hands! It was for show. Surely there must be a part of her that is frustrated and angry that she has to do this, or is she so deluded and out of touch that she has no clue about why what they did was cringeworthy inappropriate? I feel sorry for whichever it is, because just when you think they cannot sink lower ...
Did anyone watch the video of the ceremony at the Cenotaph? Did Charles look as if had been crying?
It's definitely going to backfire on them if whatever they're filming has another teary scene with Meghan saying that having to watch "H" give up his honorary appointments was "the most painful" thing she has had to watch.
no it already has backfired on them. over 20k comments on DM and all negative.
I mean, if the blowback is bad now, it will be worse when the "documentary" comes out.
Which means they may reconsider putting it in. Well, there's a day's pay for both the celebrity photographer and the film crew wasted!
Good point, I'd be incandescent with rage too. The two service men were a Canadian and Australian.
Lizzie 4.40am posted a link https://tinyurl.com/yxngzn8x (I've shortened the URL which was very long).
Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
re the Marie Claire headline that Duchess Catherine made a `surprise appearance' at the Ceremony yesterday.
I refuse to click on it but the headline stinks of a Meghan plant - Of course Catherine was there on the balcony!!!!! Where else would she be? Camilla was there too, so was Sophie Wessex - and Tim Lawrence. Anne laid a wreath in her naval capacity.
All the adult royals that matter are expected to be there. Just because Mugsy wasn't, it didn't follow that Catherine should be excluded.
Mugsy is trying to imply that Catherine had inserted herself unbidden into the proceedings, just as she, Mugsy, had hoped to do.
bringing flowers from one's yard, free form, with no ribbon, etc..is just not usually done. I would think a beautiful arrangement or bouquet would be appropriate. That's not to say that a truly poor person should not do whatever they can afford to honor the departed. Poor, the Harkles are not!
After budgeting for the photographer and the film crew, maybe they didn't have anything left for flowers?
On the other hand, Prince Harry's working-royal-wannabe "ceremony" included a wreath. So it's also possible that they could have also brought along professional arrangements for the graves of the two Commonwealth servicemen . . . but thought it would be a more genuine touch to bring flowers from their own garden. If it even is their own garden.
(Just wondering: Does anyone know where the flowers from the Remembrance Sunday wreaths come from?)
And they probably do feel poor! Having to resort to selling e-mail lists, only to get many fewer e-mails than they had hoped (as some here with insider knowledge of the industry have speculated), is definitely a come down from where they were at this time last year.
This may be the final straw that shakes Elizabeth out of her inertia regarding the titles and the status within the family. Her grandson and his wife have disobeyed The spirit of their agreement, and have disrespected the royal family, the citizens of Britain, and now the citizens of the United States at every turn. They practically make the Duke and Duchess of Windsor look classy. Something definitive has to be done. Maybe Charles was crying yesterday because he knows that he most likely will never have a relationship with his second son again. No doubt hear his behavior Over the wreath request has been a subject of discussion amongst the senior Royals. I imagine that William is taking a hard line toward Harry ever re-joining the family. They have probably been harsh words exchanged between Charles, his elder son, and Philip in a scrappy mood. Charles is probably being blamed for Harry’s behavior in the same manner he was blamed for Diana ‘s. He is a sensitive person, and his impose to be a lenient father, fueled by a guild no doubt over Diana‘s death, has blown back on him. Harry is ruined, and it’s going to be an albatross for his father and brother to carry for as long as they live.
"@SwampWoman
Maybe she'll be the US Ambassador to the UK.
I said above that I don't think her preferred political party will ever offer her anything, but wouldn't it be wonderful if the next US President, as a favor to Her Majesty, called Meghan to the Oval Office to ask her to be Ambassador to South Africa..."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤗 E, that is an instant classic!! hilarious!!
— all just published online minutes ago by Newsweek.
Newsweek is considered by many to be a bottomfeeder of a US news magazine, by the way. But this tells me Netflix was involved in the graveyard exploitation.
Thanks! What I wouldn't give to see it happen!
"Natural cut flowers may be placed on graves at any time of the year. They will be removed when they become unsightly or when it becomes necessary to facilitate cemetery operations such as mowing.
Artificial flowers and potted plants will be permitted on graves during periods when their presence will not interfere with grounds maintenance. As a general rule, artificial flowers and potted plants will be allowed on graves for a period extending 10 days before through 10 days after Easter Sunday and Memorial Day".
It appears the cut flowers the Dumbartons placed are fine; I have more questions regarding the wreath. Not familiar with the American customs and regulations, though it looks like all rules are regarding the graves arrangements, i.e private. The wreath is not at the grave, therefore it would be some part of the official remembrance ceremony that Harkles are not entitled to perform. They do not represent anything official.
Am I right?
"The wreath is not at the grave, therefore it would be some part of the official remembrance ceremony that Harkles are not entitled to perform. They do not represent anything official.
Am I right?"
Sure seem right to me. I had wondered if they had permission to place the wreath. Or if it was only placed to take pictures and then they took it with them. Obviously private citizens can't just place tributes at the obelisk (or at any other similar structure at a veterans cemetary.) It would be covered with them, especially on Memorial Day.
BTW, I do think the Harry Markle blog is wrong about the LA cemetery being closed on Sundays. The hours listed in the latest HMB article were for the cemetery office. The website lists daily (7 day) hours for cemetery "visitation." Still, the office would have been closed on Sunday so no one to say what are you doing re: the wreath.
Thank you for using the word "exploited". Perfect.
At the time it appeared to be blatant merching that I wondered if she thought she could get away with by saying "Well the photo wasn't taken in the UK."
I have always thought their half-in, half-out strategy was a desire to merch and justify it by saying they weren't senior working Royals, as if that somehow made it OK.
Now we see why they installed a chaperone for her at the Remembrance service last year! Yesterday's stunt makes this pale in comparison.
reside within most people. There are exceptions, of course; Megain is an exception. As we’ve already agreed and concluded, she is a narcissist to her core. She is totally devoid of true empathy towards anyone (except herself), and hasn’t a kind bone in her body, nor kindness in her mind. She is incapable of kindness. Therefore, when she spouts this drivel, ....well, that’s all it is...drivel. People are not always kind. We have moments, or longer periods, of not displaying kindness. Personally speaking. We are human, after all, but strive to be good. Megain knows none of this. I can display no kindness whatsoever towards this person. I can show her no mercy. I positively abhor her. She’s been on the scene for a few short years (actually it feels like forever), and with her appearance on the stage, the world has been cheapened, families have been destroyed, nations have been insulted, nations have been used, money has been wasted! And why? All for her self promotion. And on and on it goes. Relentless coverage. It’s beyond belief.
As someone unthread mentioned (I’m sorry I cannot recall who), one of the photos at the photo op showed Smugsy, wearing a mask...but her face was contorted with either rage or irritation when Harry was before her placing something on the ground. I think the white flowers. I guess she thought her true expression would be hidden. I am Canadian and therefore a member of the Commonwealth. I resent each and every time she opportunizes the Commonwealth. She is a gutter snipe.
Something i haven't seen discussed here, although it is related to JH, are the claims being made by Diana's brother that BBC journalist Martin Bashir lied to her and even forged documents to persuade her to give him the infamous Panorama interview. He says that Bashir told Diana - who believed him - that Charles was having an affair with their children's nanny, that the entire family was plotting against her, and that her royal protection officers were spying on her and reporting directly to Charles. We know that she fired her RPOs because she didn't think she could trust them, and I am convinced that if she had had RPOs with her on that final trip to Paris, they would never have allowed her to get into a car with Dodi's drunk driver.
It has been said that Diana was manipulative, but it appears that she was easily manipulated, as well - not just because she was misled by Bashir, but also because she didn't seem to realize that Mohammed Al Fayed was using her to boost his and his son's status within British society. Harry seems to have inherited many of his mother's personality traits - like her, he is not very bright, overly emotional, easily influenced and manipulated, and somewhat unstable. Perhaps that's why he's been coddled his entire life.
Re: kindness meaningless when it comes to Meg. Very interesting. Your post reminded me of an experience I had with my stepfather's brother who was a drug addict. He demonstrated same patterns of behaviour again and again regardless of our efforts to rehabilitate him. The core of this all was complete disregard to how his actions effect other people and where they lead.
I can't be sure Markle is the drug user but some aspects of her behaviour are sure reminiscent of my experience with the addict.
It may be the case of drugs making her existing personality problems much worse.
Don't they say regular users are very prone to temper tantrums and erratic?
"long and lengthy applaud"
May I add Diana has also made every attempt to upstage other royals? The Harkles must be a deja vu to them.
Our Megsy is coping Diana including her mistakes.
1) There was nothing stopping Harry from flying to the UK and staying at Frogmore for a two week quarantine before appearing himself at the Remembrance Day ceremony. We know that he likes private jets, so Covid exposure on flight would not be much of a concern.
He could have stood on a balcony as non Royal guests have done in the past. And perhaps the RF might have even made an exception and allowed him to place a wreath, even as a non Royal, but former military member.
However, I imagine that Markle would not let him travel to the UK on his own, lest he not return. And she would not travel with him , despite the fact that she can do her Zoom shows from anywhere in the world.
2) There is a Veteran's memorial in Santa Barbara, about 5 miles from Chateau Montecito.
They could have laid a wreath there, if all they really wanted to do was show respect to fallen soldiers.
So much planning went into today's photo op (plus docu shoot) that it can't be the end of it. Perhaps this story was meant to be the first series of photos and articles. Today we were told all about Prince Harry's sadness at being "denied" participation at the UK's Remembrance Day celebration. Tomorrow's story may focus entirely on Meghan's profound thoughts and beautiful reflections as she stood at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Then there may be a third one about having cut the flowers with Archie -- and Harry getting to explain the medals on his suit to the precocious, wise-beyond-his-years child. Why not a fourth article about how someone else who was visiting the ceremony that day was so deeply touched by Prince and Princess Harry's gesture? I really wouldn't put it past them.
On the other hand, the blowback from this has been extreme -- as is only right. Let's hope that they stop trying to milk Remembrance Day like some perceived new cash cow.
I'm only surprised that she didn't lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
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Mm is missing out on the part about the Queen's bouquet being a replica of her mother's wedding bouquet.
Falling down on the job there. Her posies should have been a replica of her wedding bouquet. But then, mm is never good with details.
Just wants to slam in there, get all the attention, and leave.
MustySyphone asked:
"I am interested in Australians and Canadians reactions/views of this resent PR stunt."
As a Canadian, I was already angry that the Queen allowed these two to head up the Queen's Commonwealth trust and worse, that she allowed them to keep the position as president and vice president after standing down as Royals.
They have already made clear that they know little about the Commonwealth( referring to Ireland as a commonwealth country on their visit to that country, referring to the Commonwealth as racist colonials). And despite the welcome and paid security that Canada showed them when they were here in Nov and December of last year, they decamped to LA silently without so much as a thank you.
They, however, seem desperate to hold on to the Commonwealth position as it allows them to continue to play act as being the Prince and Princess leaders of the Commonwealth. (However, the official head of the Commonwealth is still Queen Elizabeth, but I imagine that People magazine and Marie Claire are not aware of this)
So, using Canadian and Australian graves for a photo op came as no surprise, given their history. I expect them to act in a vile manner, and they never disappoint.
As to how other Canadians feel, this circus act did not make it into the Canadian media, which is currently dominated by US election and Covid news.
And alas, even if it was in the news, many of the younger generation here are unaware of Remembrance Day which is not a civic holiday in Canada. Every year, fewer and fewer people attend. It is not at all like the ceremony in the UK. Many of them are also unaware of the Commonwealth and even the Queen, as her image is removed from our paper bills.
One of the first things that Trudeau did when he was elected in 2015 was to remove a portrait of the Queen that had been installed by the previous government.
I am writing as a Canadian, but I believe that Australians still have a stronger attachment to their British roots.
I read somewhere yesterday that the textured mask Kate wore for the service Sunday sold out in a matter of hours. As did the poppy mask Camilla wore last week.
I think we know why the Harkles were wearing masks while completely alone in an outdoor setting.
I hadn't thought of that! But as far as I can tell, Meghan's mask isn't getting a tenth as much attention as either Camilla's or Catherine's.
@Louise
Oh, definitely no photos of Archie any time soon! But that hasn't stopped them from telling stories about him.
Thank you for your honest reply, one that I agree with. For me the exploitation of CW war fatalities for your own enrichment per se (while living in luxury in America) is unspeakable. Absolutely unspeakable.
But I am more disappointed that HM has reached out and publicly slapped them for this. Deeply disappointed in HM.
Prince Harry forced to deny his and Meghan Markle’s Remembrance Sunday photo shoot was ‘publicity stunt’ after backlash
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Maybe they've realised the visit has backfired spectacularly.
@MustySyphone
Yes, it is very disappointing that HM hasn't said anything but she may have had a word privately with Harry or both of them. I think at best she/the BRF might say the duo did not represent them. A good b©©!!©ocking should be in order.
Friends = Harkles.
I smell panic. Their PR stunt hasn't worked as they expected.
Queue another ZOOM about the importance of kindness and horror of being misunderstood.
for American national cemetery administration
Who are these mysterious "friends" who always come out to speak on their behalf?
The same "friends" who spoke to People magazine? The ones that Markle claims to know nothing about?
Agree with Fairy that these days there are no "friends". It is the Harkles pretending to be their own friends.
As for HM, she needs to do more than give them a stern look.. she needs to toss them as the president and vice president of the Commonwealth trust... STAT.
I am just so dismayed at Harry, this is as low as he can sink. It was SO blatantly a publicity stunt, with her garb appearing on Megans Mirror within hours. He had the best of everything, with the means to deploy his humanitarian ambitions around the globe with the best team provided by the palace and he has absolutely nuked it with napalm grade stupidity all aided and abetted by Megnocchio.
I am just so offended as a Canadian, our troops suffered heavy casualties in some of the most dangerous and bloody campaigns during both World Wars. Using their final resting places as an opportunity to merch and discredit the monarchy is beyond contemptible.
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@mustysyphone...I don’t watch, or listen to mainstream media, so cannot say if the media covers them. In conversation with many Canadians, the majority seem to pay them little heed, and are unaware of their dastardly deeds. Unfortunately!!!!
Louise is correct in saying that the media is focused on the US election, and COVID. I can’t bear it.
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the guy said that he was there during the shoot and that "it wasn't for Netflix"
I suggest you all call him up and give him a piece of your mind.
As I live in Quebec, I was not aware of this. Only federal employees have the day off here.
Excellent work.
So, it wasn't for Netflix. OK. The photographer just happened to be there by chance and pictures just sold themselves without the Harkle's knowledge.
No friends. That's who.
PR! Their agent is a 'paid-friend'. The do not have friends.
Did Meghan not want the court case to be in the documentary?
He verified that there was no film crew present?
Any other details?
Daily Mail reports that the wreath left by Harry did not have the traditional poppies. The photo in the DM shows a generic wreath that they probably bought on sale. (or stole from someone else's grave)
Those two are so cheap. Had they sincerely wanted to remember Canadian vets, they would have made a donation to the Vets poppy campaign, which is struggling this year because the elderly vets can't place their usual tables out in stores, etc due to Covid.
But we are talking about a woman who donated a whopping $10 per month to the shelter of which she is the patron.
Charles needs to be unreachable from this point forward. Let H try to call fir more money..he should be put on infinite hold. His accounts should be frozen, and the Royal banks informed in no uncertain terms that they are to respond to no communications from California. Let H experience what being ghosted really feels like. Bye Harry.
Call him and give him hell.
He said they had a license and I said I was going to do a Freedom of Information Act request to find out about it.
Someone needs to ask him when they were there exactly.
It turns out that they closed the cemetery for families that day.
He said that they were there to lay a wreath for "common British soldiers".
You said "It turns out that they closed the cemetery for families that day."
Was this done because of the Markles and their picture taking session??
I am interested in Australians and Canadians reactions/views of this resent PR stunt.
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Well, speaking as a Canadian, I'm offended but not really surprised. Then again, that's how I feel about Meg's actions in general.
However, by and large I don't think most Canadians really care what Harry and Meg do. Many of us love our Royals, and these two are not part of it.
I need to read a bunch of comments but I MUST leave a comment of utter disbelief at Harry and Meghan going to the LA cemetary to do their own Remembrance Sunday with camera in tow?! They look utterly ridiculous!!! I'm almost embarassed for them. I know Harry is dumb but Meghan really thought this would be good publicity for them?? They are clearly being advised by no one other than themselves and every whim they possibly have, they indulge.
I'm sure when Harry's request to have a wreath laid in London was rejected Mama Meghan through her little pet this bone. Jut unreal. I usually have an idea what direction Meg is headed, but this has me dumbfounded.
"But we are talking about a woman who donated a whopping $10 per month to the shelter of which she is the patron."
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And then PAID to publicize that, Louise!"
She really has.not.one.stinking.clue. 😂
This explains how the Markles get away with Royal murder in the USA. Th level of knowledge about the UK is so low that they can make up any story that they want an no one in the US calls them on it.
Re the weather in LA on Saturday and Sunday, this is what a commenter wrote on the DM:
lillet rabbit, Los Angeles
It was extremely windy all weekend in the LA area, where I live. There were rain squalls on Saturday, and clouds throughout the weekend. On Sunday small craft warnings were undoubtedly up, as the wind was blowing wicker chairs around on our porch, not many miles from the National Cemetery, which is closed on the weekend. Meghan's hair would have been a mess in the high winds, and that 'California' wreath would have gone sailing, if the photo shoot happened on the weekend. Apparently this disrespectful cosplay that dishonored dead soldiers was conducted earlier in the week, not Sunday. Have Harry and Meghan no shame about anything?
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Worse still if this little scene was performed during the week. Any Nutties in LA who can confirm?
And even though BP never confirmed that Harry was forbidden from leaving a wreath, this display at the cemetary makes it clear that it is true. There is an f you element to this in the middle of the martyred faces. This disrespect is astounding.... frightening, jaw dropping, so many other things.
"Prince Harry forced to deny his and Meghan Markle’s Remembrance Sunday photo shoot was ‘publicity stunt’ after backlash."
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Hilarious!!! They just travel around with a film crew and photographer?? For their own little photograph album with
"Harry and Meghan" stitched on the front, I suppose. A gift from Oprah.
Its always funny when someone (A) who assumes someone (B) is stupid ends up being much, much more stupid than that someone (B) could ever be.
And yet, they keep on doing it.
I swear. You couldnt pay for this.
Oh. Wait.
yes, he did say 'common British soldiers'. The poor guy at the cemetery was so proud to talk about helping Markle, but I think he spends most of his time digging graves and coordinating burials for the families. I corrected him and told him that it was 'Commonwealth' soldiers.
"Cosplay" is right! But actual cosplayers love the franchises and characters they are paying homage to.
It does make some sense for them to have done it during the week -- to give themselves ample time for multiple shots from different angles and photo editing later on. Maybe a reporter can find out? Or another Nutty in California can call the cemetery and get them to divulge the actual filming dates?
This is huge.
I am smiling a bit now.
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Too bad that they didn't catch that in one of the photos mm has a single leg.
That poor Harry was humiliated by the Buckingham Palace when BP announced that they would not lay a wreath for poor, poor Harry, so the Markles went ahead and honoured the dead on their own.
Reading on the DM is unreal. People are ANGRY
1. A few weeks ago the rumour was that royal staff had been told to prepare Frog Cottage for November. This indicates that one or more Harkles planned on being back in UK in November.
2. Back in UK for visa requirements (?) or whatever gives the opportunity for huge PR push with RD.
3. Harry is informed he will not be laying a wreath nor will he be on balcony. He is now Andrew.
4. Harry throws a fit and throws his toys out of the pram by having his own RD, on a different day and with entourage.
5. Releases photos of said PR on RD even though it appears he celebrated on a different day (clear and sunny)
6. MeGain is wearing an appropriate dress. Totally appropriate for the occasion in UK but not something she would ever wear in US.
The dress proves to me they thought they could fly back to the UK, swan around at RD (hey, we're still Royals!), film it all for Netflix, and then sneak back to CA. Its the darn dress that gives it away.
Lacey, Lainey an Scoobie will probably say that this was intentional, in order to honor vets who had lot limbs.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/4853778-alex-bistons-weather-forecast-nov-8/
Agree on the dress, Musty. Good catch!
The Harkles are so obvious in their quest for attention - I can't imagine how they have the nerve now to deny this whole scheme was nothing but a publicity stunt. They set it all up starting with the Times article describing the denial of Harry's request for a wreath to be laid in his name at the Cenotaph.
The author of that story was royal correspondent Roya Nikkhah who has been sugary in the past, and who I believe may have a source in one of the Harkles "PR friends". Although she has written some negative stories since they left the royal family, she may be a willing recipient of their PR manipulation "news".
If I'm understanding what some Nutties wrote here, there really was no reason to make a big deal out of Harry and a wreath being laid in his name in the UK...so I guess we can assume the Times story was to set the stage for their performance at the LA cemetery.
I posted the Times story on the last page of this thread but I'll re-post it here...a second read-through is interesting after knowing about their pantomime at the graves.
Note how early this article came out...only one minute into Sunday - Remembrance Day. With California time being 8 hours earlier than the UK, it appears the Harkles made sure this story was published as early as possible in England so that it could be spread and digested by the US way ahead of their visit to the cemetery.
Also, note he was denied the UK wreath "on the grounds that he is no longer representing the monarchy" making their act at the cemetery one of defiance.
Prince Harry’s plea to lay Cenotaph wreath denied
Roya Nikkhah, Royal Correspondent
Sunday November 08 2020, 12.01am GMT, The Sunday Times
The Duke of Sussex was refused permission for a wreath to be laid at the Cenotaph on his behalf today, in the latest sign of the growing gulf between him and the royal family.
Prince Harry, who stepped down from royal duties in March, made the personal request to Buckingham Palace, but was denied by courtiers on the grounds that he is no longer representing the monarchy. He first laid a wreath at the Cenotaph in 2009 at the age of 25.
The Queen was not made aware of her grandson’s wish.
Harry is understood to be deeply saddened by the decision, the clearest sign yet that his official links to the royal family are permanently severed. His decade of military service, which he once described as “one of the best professions you can ever be involved with”, transformed his image from that of a playboy prince. He became a campaigner for veterans’ causes, including the Invictus Games, the sporting event for wounded and ill service personnel.
The duke gave up his military posts after relocating to California with the Duchess of Sussex, including his role as Captain General of the Royal Marines. But a year-long “review period” agreed with the Queen, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge aimed to leave the door open for Harry to resume some of his military links, an option that now seems unlikely.
In a recording for the Declassified podcast which will air today, Harry, 36, said: “Remembrance Day for me is a moment for respect and for hope. I wear it [the poppy] to celebrate the bravery and determination of all our veterans. These are the people and moments I remember when I salute, when I stand at attention and when I lay a wreath at the Cenotaph.”
Harry is not the only royal to be absent from today’s service. The Duke of York will also not attend.
Buckingham Palace declined to comment.
He could have stood on a balcony as non Royal guests have done in the past. And perhaps the RF might have even made an exception and allowed him to place a wreath, even as a non Royal, but former military member.
However, I imagine that Markle would not let him travel to the UK on his own, lest he not return. And she would not travel with him , despite the fact that she can do her Zoom shows from anywhere in the world.
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I'm currently reading the autobiography of Sir Tom Jones. He states there were a few years where he could not step foot in the UK due to his tax status. He had to hire a boat to take him 12 miles out to sea to be considered off shore. He was living and working based in L.A. and had applied for a green card.
Maybe this is why Harry doesn't go home? (Source Tom Jones: Over the Top and Back the Autobiography, pages 300,301).
Totally agree about the dress and coat. Also not a little something she picked up at Target the day before. That had to have been ordered and fitted weeks, if not months, ago.
Much like the custom, well-fitted maternity coat she wore to Eugenie's wedding. Had to have been ordered well before wedding.
Yes Yes Yes. A thousand times yes! I was thinking about the weeks of lead in time. This was so planned, either in its entirety or after being told "you are Andrew now".
Very curious.
Girl with a hat, I am astounded! Great work! I will give him a call and record it. I want to find out the day they came. If he doesn't tell then FOIA request it is. He was proud to help Meghan, did he say anything about Harry? Surely one would be more excited to see a real British Prince Veteran!
Amazing theory on Meghan's dress. I agree. I thought it strange it was bespoke, and that only makes sense if it was intended for a real Royal Appearance, not some slapstick PR shoot in LA by themselves.
They could have put on a whole ceremony, but they don't want anyone near them as they are cheap and afraid people will talk.
I'm rolling my eyes so hard today lol. Horrible couple!
I'm currently reading the autobiography of Sir Tom Jones. He states there were a few years where he could not step foot in the UK due to his tax status. He had to hire a boat to take him 12 miles out to sea to be considered off shore. He was living and working based in L.A. and had applied for a green card.
I think with regards to Tom Jones it was to do with paying or not paying UK taxes.
I had a friend whose husband worked in the middle east, he was limited to how much time he was in the UK so he didn’t pay UK taxes.
They spent most of their married life meeting up abroad.
Lavender Lady: Indeed, this might have something to do with taxes... or something else of which we are not aware. Could not go to the UK in November, can't go in January...
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I hadn't connected those dots. Good one.
Something they thought would be resolved by November and wasn't? Then became aware it would go past January but not sure how far past?
Doesn't sound like illness or pregnancy issues. Sounds like taxes or green card issues, in that they don't have a good handle on when it will resolve, so moved the court date way out there.
They weren't sure it would resolve before mid July, and court is closed Aug and Sept., thus an October date?
Could also explain the secrecy around the changing court date.
That was a Duchess outfit.
"I don't think that a local official would be in charge of giving licenses for a national cemetery."
All filming requests should be directed to the Los Angeles National Cemetery Director. (From LA cemetery webpage)
"Filming or photography within the cemetery will not interfere with normal cemetery operations,
disrupt the peaceful ambiance of the cemetery or violate a family's expressed desire for privacy." (From the general info website for national cemeteries) https://www.datahub.va.gov/dataset/Filming-in-a-National-Cemetery/vwx3-bnh6
Not sure how closing to families for two people to prance around doesn't "disrupt" normal operations.
You know, I am thinking, just because the man was told it wasn’t for Netflix doesn’t mean the images won’t turn up as stills in a Netflix video. If like most teams the duo have to pay for their own productions prior to submitting them to Netflix for first look and purchase, they may have paid this photographer with funds charged from their fake Archewell foundation; or SS was handling. Who was it that said whatever they say, believe the opposite?
I called the L.A. National Cemetery
.........the guy said that he was there during the shoot and that "it wasn't for Netflix"
Modern cameras and phones can record video and the cemetery worker would never know. And if this video for Netflix was not up to the best standards, this will fit in the M/H narrative of them being the victims of the meanies in the British Royal Family
"He could have stood on a balcony as non Royal guests have done in the past."
Maybe. But royal guests have had a reason to be there. They weren't just stray family members who aren't working royals. For example, the wife of the president of Germany was on a balcony with M one year but the president was laying a wreath for "reconciliation."
They spent most of their married life meeting up abroad
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Sir Tom discusses how he and his wife, family had to do the same. Meeting in Las Vegas, and other places around the world. I'm really astounded how he actually had to have a boat take him out 12 miles while he was living in L.A. because of the same laws.
I have not a clue if the similar types of laws are currently in effect in the UK. It depends on that current administration. But as Louise said, very curious.
(I love Germany and Bavaria except for one thing - the obsession that the media has with this man, his really horrible exes and his unfortunate looking offspring.)
Meghan's been reporting her income to the IRS her entire adult life. She now has a spouse and would declare this for the past two years to the IRS. She has to report all income earned withing the U.S. and abroad. Yes, she is 'double taxed', but only for income after a certain allowance is met (I can't remember but quite low, something like 200k USD?).
I am not sure how she files within the US due to being married to a foreign national AND living abroad. She probably filed 'married filing seperately' and declared her own small income.
It gets somewhat complicated, but the IRS recognizes marriage as a 2-for-1 tax status. Harry's now definitely having to report all his income to the IRS with her.
I know in the UK it is treated on an individual earning basis. That is not really the case in the US when married, as filing together generally saves people a lot of money in taxes.
It's not easy and quite complicated to have all the ducks in a row, especially as we have obligations in both countries and life moves forward during processing times. I've definitely had to get on a last minute flight to Eastern Europe a time or two!
I think their court case delay was conveniently due to the green card processing. I could be wrong, but it looks familiar.
If I understand correctly other sources have confirmed they were filming and the cemetery employee that GWAH spoke to did NOT say they weren't filming - only that it did not involve Netflix.
I'm sure they plan on using this for some kind of Netflix project.
Trying to slip in through the back door after agreeing to the Queen's request to give up these associations has Markle written all over it.. like when she thumbed her nose at the Queen by declaring on her Sussex Royal site that the Queen didn't own the word Royal.
If I believed in the devil, it would be Markle.
I could not believe this woman had the audacity to say she didn't own the word 'Royal' so directly. In fact, it's not even the Queen that owns the word. It's the rules of the constitutional monarchy and use of 'Royal' in a HRH titled subject such as Meghan, is directly representative of the Queen.
The fact this chick is so dense and arrogant and stupid really bothers me.
Maneki Neko said...
"Friends have today denied accusations that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's private visit to a cemetery on Remembrance Sunday was a 'publicity stunt' after the duke was refused his wish for a wreath to be placed on his behalf at the Cenotaph in London." (DM)
Oh give me a break. What was it then? Why didnt you take your security along to watch for paps so your private moment would remain so? oh, that is right, they would be on their phones or something.
He is "Afro-American and Brazilian" and IMO the choice to use and allow this publicity of him is another attempt by MM to align herself with BLM/liberals/democratic party/woke folk/Hollywood etc, but as we know based on past behavior...with only her personal agenda in mind. Please note: by pointing this out, I am merely making a comment about a theory on Markle's behavior. This post does not reflect any of my personal feelings whatsoever on the subject of politics/BLM/etc.
The fashion and celebrity snapper behind Harry and Meghan's LA cemetery photoshoot: Couple used photographer who's worked with Vogue and Kayne West's brand Yeezy 'to turn Remembrance Sunday into 'publicity stunt'
-Prince Harry and Meghan Markle were pictured at Los Angeles National cemetery for Remembrance Sunday
-Photographs of their visit to the cemetery were captured by celebrity and fashion photographer Lee Morgan
-He previously worked for Vogue, while Kanye West's Yeezy brand, Facebook and Adidas are also his clients
-The Duke left a wreath and message which read: 'To all of those who have served, and are serving. Thank you'
-Comes after Harry was reportedly told a personalised wreath could not be laid on his behalf at the Cenotaph
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8928765/Fashion-celebrity-snapper-Harry-Meghans-LA-cemetery-photoshoot.html
I doubt they even paid him.
But I disagree that she does not understand this or is stupid.
She understands it all very well, but she is evil. There is no other explanation for her behavior.
" That photographer must have desperately needed the work and the minute publicity he would get.
I doubt they even paid him. "
Actually, I think that he is pretty well known in his circles. He probably accepted th job thinking that it would add Royal cachet to his portfolio, but I read elsewhere today that he has had to shut down his Twitter account since yesterday.
Oh well.
@Martha
I read somewhere yesterday that the textured mask Kate wore for the service Sunday sold out in a matter of hours. As did the poppy mask Camilla wore last week.
I think we know why the Harkles were wearing masks while completely alone in an outdoor setting
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Very likely but their masks looked pretty generic, not like the poppy mask. I do not recall what Kate's looked like but probly stylish.
That photographer must have desperately needed the work and the minute publicity he would get.
I doubt they even paid him.
Louise said...
Actually, I think that he is pretty well known in his circles. He probably accepted th job thinking that it would add Royal cachet to his portfolio, but I read elsewhere today that he has had to shut down his Twitter account since yesterday.
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I just noticed there is quite a bit of info about him in the other DM articles as well so I think he is getting a lot of publicity out of it.
I'm not sure how it works but wouldn't he get paid along with Markle by the media who buy/use the photos?
@Louise - do you know what happened on Twitter? Were sugars praising him or were people hounding him for the publicity stunt? If he was hounded, then that's a shame as it's not his fault the Harkles are beyond tacky.
The Harkles might be earning some kudos with a fashion photographer by letting him make money out of it.
Either way it is disgusting.
Is this why Charles was close to tears? Because he known about Harry selling the Remembrance day?
Not one single poppy on it. The DM has a full blown pic of the wreath.
Will we see Archie now in desperation? Perhaps he went to town on a box of poppies he found in a closet and pulled all the red petals off...
https://youtu.be/Iod-l9jX9K4
I wonder if MM will ever visit Thomas' grave in gratitude....
Maybe it's another social media account people mean? He doesn't seem to have ever had a Twitter account. (Even tweets that shared the pictures early -- before the outraged reactions started pouring in -- don't @ him.) There is another Lee Morgan who is a photographer, but he's based in the UK. (He might not be too happy to learn he shares a name with someone who took part in Prince and Princess Harry's cosplay stunt!)
And his private Instagram seems fine, by which I mean people can still leave comments. He's still sharing his Harkles photos through Instagram Story and it's possible to send him feedback that way, too.
Is it on Facebook that he got hounded?
"Does anyone find it odd that the cemetery worker (thanks Girl with a Hat!) would know that they were NOT filming for Netflix?
If I understand correctly other sources have confirmed they were filming and the cemetery employee that GWAH spoke to did NOT say they weren't filming - only that it did not involve Netflix."
I did think it was odd at first. But the link I provided earlier for the general VA cemetery filming guidelines says (among other things):
Filming or photography for entertainment or commercial purposes is permitted under limited circumstances.
• The film company must contact the cemetery staff in advance to request permission and schedule the date/time of the filming.
• Must sign a VA filming agreement before filming may begin.
I am sure it's for Netflix too but the "film company" may have been some offshoot of Archewell, not Netflix itself.
I just quoted them 1st paragraph without commenting but I don't believe it wasn't a publicity stunt. Anything to be in the news.
Thank you for your usual very helpful historical contributions on the RF military history as well as Remembrance Day.
Also, I appreciated and enjoyed hearing from the Canadian posters on the RD topic.
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MustySyphone said...
Here is my theory and its based on MeGain wearing a dress she would NEVER wear in CA. A few weeks ago the rumour was that royal staff had been told to prepare Frog Cottage for November. This indicates that one or more Harkles planned on being back in UK in November.
The dress proves to me they thought they could fly back to the UK, swan around at RD (hey, we're still Royals!), film it all for Netflix, and then sneak back to CA. Its the darn dress that gives it away.
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@Musty
I love your theory on the dress/coat! No matter who the designer, that is indeed a “Duchess ensemble” and I’m surprised she didn’t include a hat! Even if they didn’t intend to go back to the UK any time soon, I agree with you that she planned an RF duchess type outfit to wear for their very own “personal” Remembrance Day ceremony.
I’m starting to think they orchestrated the US cemetery visit from the start. I don't believe they planned to join the RF in the UK for the actual ceremony. I also think the idea that they did this because Harry was denied a wreath is also false. I think it was set-up as part of a documentary on how they are creating their own court on this side of the pond.
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Enbrethiliel said...
So much planning went into today's photo op (plus docu shoot) that it can't be the end of it. Perhaps this story was meant to be the first series of photos and articles. Today we were told all about Prince Harry's sadness at being "denied" participation at the UK's Remembrance Day celebration. Tomorrow's story may focus entirely on Meghan's profound thoughts and beautiful reflections as she stood at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Then there may be a third one about having cut the flowers with Archie -- and Harry getting to explain the medals on his suit to the precocious, wise-beyond-his-years child. Why not a fourth article about how someone else who was visiting the ceremony that day was so deeply touched by Prince and Princess Harry's gesture? I really wouldn't put it past them.
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@Enbreth
Love this post! You never know with these two! These suggestions might be right up their alley-LOL! I’m quite sure we will indeed see a plethora of PR articles on their Remembrance Day bid for attention. There are many tangents to exploit including his military service, his work with vets, her clothes, her flower garden, and so on.
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Louise said...
Maneki Neko: If it transpires that the Harkles pretended to look so sad at a "Royal" LA Remembrance Day ceremony and, in fact, it wasn't even Remembrance Day Sunday, they will receive even more criticism than they have already.
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@Louise
THIS!!! In some of the photos MM has horrid overly exaggerated expressions of sympathy and sadness. Even Harry sports a rather fake look of solemn grief in one picture. They would surely be lambasted if it's discovered that it was all an act (even more so than usual!)
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Martha said...
As someone unthread mentioned (I’m sorry I cannot recall who), one of the photos at the photo op showed Smugsy, wearing a mask...but her face was contorted with either rage or irritation when Harry was before her placing something on the ground. I think the white flowers.
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@Martha
Love your post on kindness! That was me who wrote about Meghan’s face behind the mask in that one photo, and I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw that! Despite being partially covered, her expression is very revealing isn’t it? She appears to be quite angry. How ironic that they merched their masks along with her garments.
Pure sacrilege.
Sadly, I can still think of something even worse that they might do, in a more sensitive arena yet. If they do do what I'm thinking of, it will show they are totally evil.
1 dead girl in South Africa, 1 dead mother in Paris, almost 2 million UK and Commonwealth war dead, what next? 6 million in Europe?
Oi vey...
They placed flowers picked from their garden at the graves of two Commonwealth soldiers, royal biographer Omid Scobie tweeted.
So now it's s a 'private' visit (which is why they were photographed). And they picked flowers from their garden. Is this in a bid to make themselves more popular or could they not make it to a florist?
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@Maneki
I’ve been thinking about the flowers, which we’ve identified as hydrangeas, and the fact that she seems to be making a point that they came from her garden.
I think this is a small example of her idea of “modernizing the royal family” – by being more informal with certain aspects of their ceremonial events. The California Cool thoroughly Modern Megalo wants to appear more relaxed, and casual with her home garden-picked bouquets. She could also have a "casual US version of a royal lifestyle" Instagram merching scheme in mind!
I don’t know what to think of the wreath as I can only find a side-view photo of it. I see that it contains eucalyptus but can’t tell what else without a front view.
"I’ve been thinking about the flowers, which we’ve identified as hydrangeas, and the fact that she seems to be making a point that they came from her garden.
I think this is a small example of her idea of “modernizing the royal family” – by being more informal with certain aspects of their ceremonial events."
Maybe. Remember her bridal bouquet supposedly had flowers Harry picked that morning from the Nott Cott garden (and I guess drove to Windsor?)
Of course, royal tradition also requires a sprig of myrtle either from Queen Victoria's bush or from one of its descendent bushes. So royals aren't strangers to using homegrown materials.
This article has a good photo of the wreath, Sally
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8930193/Harry-Megans-Remembrance-wreath-left-LA-cemetery.html
Thanks for the DM link. That green wreath really is pretty ragged.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it appears the date on the poppy wreath tag 07/01/20 (Jan 7, I assume) is the same day they visited Canada House (M's sweaty pits day) Planning ahead?
Now he's a `gawpin' civvy', no longer a working royal, it's no longer appropriate.
I haven't been able to identify the colour on the ribbons - I tried matching it to stable belts, without success. They're not the Marines' colours. Do any other Nutties know?
You are correct. The poppy wreath box is labeled as 1 January 20. They must have ordered it (and charged it to Charles) before they left, thinking that they could pick it up next year when they did their half-in half-out routine. I hope the florist did not get stuck with the bill.
The wreath in the states is ugly, no poppies. Whomever said it looks like it came from Williams and Sonoma is correct. It really has that "Pottery Barn" feel. Nice above the kitchen fireplace, not so appropriate for a tomb.
"I haven't been able to identify the colour on the ribbons - I tried matching it to stable belts, without success. They're not the Marines' colours. Do any other Nutties know?"
I don't know but so far as I can tell, the ribbon looks the same as last year's in the video link in this article. I do wonder what the meaning is.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1043760/Prince-Harry-Prince-William-Cenotaph-wreath-video-Remembrance-Sunday-World-War-1/amp
Meghan and Harry Have Made a Grave Mistake
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/jan-moir-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-have-made-a-grave-mistake/
@WildBoar/lizzie
The colours represent the ribbon for the
Afghanistan Operational Service Medal.
Please no speaking badly of other posters. full stop.
Even if you feel they started it, it is not up to you to continue this.
Anyway, the photographer could have done a PR for photos deal (my suspicion), the photographer shows up and snaps the pics and gives the edited best few to Meghan by end of day. In exchange, he gets all the PR available and she gets the copyright. Covid has been slow for photographers. Or, Meghan paid him directly for the photos. His fee wouldn’t be more than 3k. Then she owns the copyright. Omid got access to the photos first. Then they appeared on ITV. ITV stated the photos and story came directly from Meghan and Harry’s ‘office’.
Guess the sunshine Sachs fees are too high.
ITV had to request use of the photos and might have made a payment for them, but I think
Meghan wanted them published to make money on the rest of the distribution I.e. dailymail.
Piers Morgan had a go at them on his morning show. They did NOT pay for the photos but were able to reference them by blurring out their figures within them. Which I thought was super funny. They refused to play ball. ;)
I think we will see more of that. Outlets making supreme fun of their antics while not giving a dime to Meghan. She can make that off her Merch Grift anyway.
You said
I haven't been able to identify the colour on the ribbons - I tried matching it to stable belts, without success. They're not the Marines' colours. Do any other Nutties know?
Found this post on Plant's blog
Ph's medals are the Operational Service Medal for Afghanistan, a general service medal given for service in various wars (Harry's is for Afghanistan), the Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal, and the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal. Two thirds of his medals are HM Jubilee medals.
Seems a bit over the top. "I quit the BRF and I'm bringing my medals with me! See you at Christmas!"
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Months ago she ordered her duchess dress
Talk of Frogmore Cottage being readied for visitors
Talk of H returning sometime in Nov
A week or two ago they take photos
Court case pushed back
Sat drop story of H turned down for wreath laying
Sun at 12:01 am drop photos, just in time to kick Queen etc off front pages
Today deny it was a publicity ploy
I think they were using the technique of saying publicly they were going and daring someone to tell them no. Which they did.
Otherwise, why would she have ordered a dutchess dress for that forlorn outing in the US? Unless they never planned to go and this was all for their Netflix production?
Once again, something simple made into a convoluted mess.
I agree with your conclusions about the timeline of the Remembrance Day stunt. This was a publicity stunt planned and executed in advance. That they planned to be in the UK is a reasonable conclusion.
However, I do think that Harry may be feeling lost, frustrated, confused about how his life has turned out, and may be really hurting. A poster on LSA said that he loves her so much that he followed her into the gutter!
I’m quite sure we will indeed see a plethora of PR articles on their Remembrance Day bid for attention. There are many tangents to exploit including his military service, his work with vets, her clothes, her flower garden, and so on.
When I read "flower garden," I thought: Maybe she can merch some fertilizer!
I was also wondering about the colours of the ribbons on unused wreath, whether they were H's personal colours or something regimental? Would he have been laying it in his personal capacity (which he seemed to think he was) or in his former capacity as Captain General of the Marines (another reason why he was barred?).
re `fertilisers'
Nitrogenous, of course, under the brand name `Golden Showers'.
Maybe she used her own, organic fertiliser 😉
@WildBoar
The ribbon colours on the
Afghanistan Operational Service Medal,
and the unused wreath, represent all three services,
red, navy and light blue. The beige colour
represents the Afghan landscape.
Was he hoping to represent Afghanistan
via Montecito? Monteghan/Afghancito?
He’s definitely not Certa Cito ..
Eau Naturel
The Fount of Monte D’Oro
It's another reason why it would have been particularly inappropriate for him to have laid it. It's specific and military . I was forgetting that he'd served in the AAC - I'd fixated on the Marines bit.
I think they're going to be `Ubique', unfortunately. Certainly not `Swift and Sure'.
Real `Whack-a-Moles'.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/08/20/35396672-0-Prince_Harry_prepares_to_lay_a_wreath_at_the_Cenotaph_on_Whiteha-a-3_1604869045923.jpg
I've tried Googling to see if those white flowers on Harry's 2009 wreath have any particular significance for Remembrance Day but all I can find is stuff about the alternative white poppy and I'm sure they're not related to that (besides the fact they look nothing like white poppies, I can't imagine the royals would use white poppies on a military related wreath in the first place). Does anyone else have any idea?
Exactly what I was getting at! And she'd actually have some real credibility here, because if anyone knows good BS, it's Meghan Montecito. ;-)
Did you ID the type of flower? Could they be 'giant asters'?
Do you have a frontal view?
Flower lover here😁
https://monstermarkle.tumblr.com/
Or, perhaps more likely, double Shasta Daisies, which were bred in California by Luther Burbank? These could have been from their garden, if that's what they were.
https://ca.hellomagazine.com/royalty/02018110948515/british-royals-attending-remembrance-sunday-services/12
I have noticed they seem to appear on other wreaths the royals have laid (at least I'm assuming it's the same type of flower, they look the same from what I can tell) so perhaps they have some meaning I'm not aware of. Same link as above, numbers 7 & 17 are a couple of examples.
@Sylvia, that's why I don't think they're supposed to symbolise white poppies, it seems rather weird to include a symbol of rejecting militarism on a wreath laid on behalf of the military. I can't seem to find anything else relating to white flowers for Remembrance Day though. There's probably some info out there and I just haven't stumbled across it yet.
@Sally
I’ve just checked out Californian white flowers:
Mountain Misery, and Evening Snow sound rather apt..
The posies resemble that toilet
paper hat she wore with the duvet cover.
Could also be used as wet wipes?
I think they're going to be `Ubique', unfortunately. Certainly not `Swift and Sure'.
Real `Whack-a-Moles'.
Well, they are certainly making a spectacle of themselves, and that isn't meant to be complimentary.
I think we should all have medals commemorating our achievements that we wear on special occasions like going to the grocery store or other public interactions. It could also give us an insight as to whether we should pay attention to their opinions.
For example, if a woman is holding herself up as a paragon of motherhood, wouldn't it be helpful to know that of her 10 children, nine are currently incarcerated and the 10th is on probation? (There really was such a woman; I met her in a developmental psychology class years ago. She could write excellent papers and is likely a practicing professional child psychologist.) If YOU were taking your child to a professional, wouldn't you want to know her personal stats? She should have something like 10 stars or flowers on her hat with different colors to denote prison time and crimes that time is being served for. Most parents would look at that and RUN AWAY with their dysfunctional children.
How about getting a new doctor? Would you want to know how many pending malpractice suits and how many were settled out of court? (Maybe a gravestone medal for those deaths that he/she was responsible by malfeasance.) When a Hollywood star wannabe lectures me on women's rights and morality, I would like to know how many of her/his auditions were sexual in nature. (I don't even want to think about what badge that would require.)
If an "expert" is on television lecturing ME about business, I want to know how many businesses he/she started and the results. (Business failure is not necessarily a disqualifier. I do not fault the restaurant owners/bar owners/salon and gym owners whose businesses crashed and burned after being shutdown from the pandemic while still being responsible for fixed costs.)
They screamed, kicked, did embarrassing public appearances and tours and then flounced away because they didn't want to be royals and perform royal duties. They wanted to be free and earn Their Own Money (which was far more, in their minds, than the piddly several million dollars a year allowance from King in Waiting Charles). Now here they are pretending to be royals and performing royal duties that nobody requested yet even in the Shallow Capitol of the USA, there are no royals or royal duties, and nobody is impressed by their unrequested noblesse oblige.
I'm more of the opinion that they were attempting to kick more dirt in the faces of the BRF than demonstrating that they can behave. Deliberately timing press releases to draw headlines is not good behavior.
"Apparently General Lord Dannett, former Chief of the British Army, who mentored Harry and gave him all his chances to develop his character and made special arrangements for him to serve on the front line, has recently written to Harry asking how he sees his role with the marines developing: Harry has not bothered to reply. Any way you swing that, it's downright rude and bad manners, but especially given the actual importance of the reply. One wonders who opens the post at Markle Towers . . ."
Ill-mannered doesn't even come near.
Didn't she intercept something from Prince Philip?
As for the cemetry pap walk, she seems to not be pregnant? It is still possible that she is having another baby, but not through the normal route. It still bugs me that the judge pronounced secrecy about her reasons for postponing the trial, with the threat of being legally charged with contempt of court.
I am still gobsmacked that some people are falling for the pity me trap with regards to Remembrance Day. Harry should know better and should not have ordered a wreath and assumed he could have it placed on his behalf (maybe at one stage he even thought his wife would let him return to the UK for the event) when he has known since January that he is no longer a working royal and no longer has any positions in the armed forces. Usually there is a procession for vets, which he could have joined, but that was scrapped because of the virus.
On the one hand, they want to use the royal connection for personal profit, but on their own terms, without any regard to the institution, history, tradition, or his family. On the other hand, I think Harry is feeling quite lost, although he may not consciously admit it, and is willingly being held hostage by the very person who has led him into the life he has now - cut off from family, heritage, country, a meaningful public service role, friends ... That photo op in the cemetry was both very sad and cringeworthy inappropriate to me. It is like Harry has forgotten everything he ever knew and has willingly embraced a life of shallow selfishness and bad manners.
If I were to throw a huge hissy fit in public about the top management of a company that I worked for in an upper management position (very short term) while not following *any* of the company rules regarding public speaking, dress, deportment or decorum, I'd not be expecting to get invited back. Not under any circumstances.
If I then found myself in circumstances where I owed money to a person named Scarface, payment was coming due and I had no money, I CERTAINLY wouldn't stage competing events to get headlines while simultaneously engaging in circulating nasty rumors about the people at the top.
Now that you say it, I do remember something abt MM intercepting a letter from Prince Philip. Maybe anything with a British postmark...
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It seems as if we are weeks away from a vaccine, so, by the end of the year, lockdowns and travel restrictions will fade into the past. Then we will see the life of the Sussexes in Montecino? How popular and in demand are they in LA? Will they be at the Oscars next year? Will Harry go home to visit his family, with or without the wife?
By the end of 2021, perhaps, because it will be *awhile* before there are enough doses of vaccine worldwide. If the Denmark coronavirus mutation has made vaccines moot and all of the hardwon immunity that people have acquired will be useless in the face of the new mutation (and I cannot believe that governments haven't locked down the borders in order to try to contain it), then we start all over again.
The *planned* order of vaccines here in my state is to first vaccinate the medical professionals and first responders, then people with serious comorbidities, advanced age, living in group homes, then everybody else. As somebody with an everybody else status, I'll have to continue attempting not to acquire it.
I don't think it matters if the Harkles are at the Oscars; *nobody* is watching the Hollywood awards ceremonies to/for the vapid and really, most of their movies are terrible.
MM’s plan was to drop the boohoo PR release about Buckingahm Palace drones rejecting Prince Harrys request to have someone drop a wreath for him at the ceremony.
or perhaps even virtually? and just how was that supposed to be done? Did they request another Prince or Princess join the ceremony with a wreath labelled largely ‘Just Harry’? or was Prince Charles or William supposed to carry 2 wreaths? or were they supposed to set up a huge TV screen and JH was going to drop his wreath virtually in CA?
regardless their request was correctly denied. as they knew it would be....
and the responded by having their own private Remembrance Day ceremony in CA and documented and published the photos for all the world to see what dutiful remote Royals they were. hog wash LOL they are soo transparent it’s pitiful.
I hope they stick around with more humiliating antics so i can continue to get some giggles.
(So called..) RR Omid Scobie is under the impression that 1) PH is the only member of the RF to have seen active service and 2) that PH is still a working member of the Firm.I hope they’re paying him enough to make up for a bombed career- few years time when the Harkles are history he’ll be writing for a ‘gossip and recipes’ mag whilst the rest of the pack are off on an RAF jet, accompanying the Royals on tours of the Commonwealth.
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@ Maneki
(So called..) RR Omid Scobie is under the impression that 1) PH is the only member of the RF to have seen active service and 2) that PH is still a working member of the Firm.I hope they’re paying him enough to make up for a bombed career- few years time when the Harkles are history he’ll be writing for a ‘gossip and recipes’ mag whilst the rest of the pack are off on an RAF jet, accompanying the Royals on tours of the Commonwealth.
He, uh, apparently also thinks his plastic surgery looks good. Judgement: He has none.
Well said!
The Harkles are living well beyond their means as individuals.
Meghan did not make it in Hollywood despite having all the privileges of growing up 'in the industry'. She managed to secure a supporting role in a legal soap that was successful enough to last 7 seasons, and had a nice life in Toronto. She was always hustling and grasping to climb higher but never developed any skills other than, well, hustling. Marrying a royal actually messed up her hustle because now she has cut herself off from all the merching opportunities and 'celebrity appearances' that may still be available for her because she thinks 'she can do much better'. Where are the major offers to be the face of or ambassador for major expensive and classy brands? Where are the major offers for celebrity appearances on respected and successful shows?
As for Harry, he is not actually employable outside the army and 'royalling'. He could perhaps still get a role as an ambassador for some major charity, but his need to earn money for his voracious wife and her control of everything he does are always going to stand in the way.
Apparently, a staff member was sent to deliver it directly into H's hand but encountered her. It shouldn't have been handed over but either dhe did her `sweetness & light 'act and persuaded it'd be oK or threw a temper tantrum and scared him/her into handing it over.
Yes, that's it. I knew it was in the UK but couldn't remember the details. That d
oesn't surprise me in the least.
"The royal biographer explained: 'She was a very serious person before she met Prince Harry. Prince Harry doesn't come into my book till page 175."
"By then, Meghan had received a standing ovation led by the secretary general of the United Nations."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8933155/amp/Britain-lost-Meghan-Markle-week-turned-Prince-Harrys-hottie.html#aoh=16050173570321&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkb-zg4JCLk
This is the video of that speech. There was polite applause but NO standing ovation.
(Her speech is about her letter to P&G.. what else is new)
I knew I'd seen the UN video but couldn't remember where. What is wrong with these people writing books? Lapdog Scobie I get. But they keep coming!
Maybe they don't have the talent to write porn.
Your comment about the medals that “everyday” people should wear as identifiers in real life is pure genius.
Remembrance Day is the State occasion. The Cenotaph is the State monument. Poppy wreaths there are laid by representatives of the Crown, the armed forces, local civic leaders, cadet and ex-servicemen organisations. Even the Salvation Army and St. John's ambulance. But not private citizens.
People wear poppies and go to local cemeteries to honour locals who served. Or make donations to various charities. They do not lay wreaths at Cenotaph
Harry had requested a special exclusion from the rules of the State Ceremony of Remembrance. On what ground? That he served? As a private citizen he was perfectly welcome to come to UK and put flowers on graves of those who served with him. Or make a donation to the USA or British Veterans funds.
He still doesn't get it.
However, I am sure that he knew all that and made the request knowing that it had to be refused. He and Meghan also knew that their American audience would not know any of the background for the refusal.
It was not at the UN but at some kind of series of events under the auspicous of the UN. There were a lot of speakers and the hustler got herself in as a speaker.
There was no standing ovation led by the SG of the UN. Harkle and her rabid fans just do not understand that it is protocol to applaud a speaker, and some folk stood up to get moving and get out of there as soon as she finished.
The delusion is huge!
This latest book by Sean whathisname ... he is now saying she was a serious human rights campaigner and Harry turned her into some kind of sex symbol or whatever. Really? He just ignores the ads, photo shoots, videos and interviews she hustled her way into before she met Harry. That is how she portrayed herself ... the suggestive sexy come hither pose was her favourite!
Writing and talking a load of lies and made-up stuff seems to have become a cottage industry that has sprung up around Meghan.
@Spanner
Thanks for that info about the wreath. Of course it makes sense now. Someone finally managed to contact him and ask what to do with the wreath? He then contacted BP and asked them to get someone to place it on his behalf? He then threw a sulky tantrum when they said no, and Meghan came up with the cemetry photo shoot to calm him down, get press coverage, and muscle in on the royal ceremony at the Cenotaph?
@SwampWoman,
Your comment about the medals that “everyday” people should wear as identifiers in real life is pure genius.
I was thinking about Harry wearing his medals, then I started thinking about whether I should wear mine. Mine only signified that if I shot at you, I'd hit you; my company performed well even though I was in it, and my service was meritorious which only meant that (a) they weren't smart enough to catch me, and (b) I made a hobby of reading Army regulations in my downtime because if it isn't specifically prohibited in the regs, they can't fine me for doing it. (There may be a few regulations added specifically because of me. Having a legacy is good.) But that was only when I was a teenager (grin). I have worn so many more hats and explored so many more roles since then.
Totally agree with you. Re her UN speech.
Didn't somebody clarify her speech was not at the UN addressing representatives of the UN countries. Her speech was at some satellite UN organisation campaigning for a particular cause. There are multitudes of them.
I made a speech at a charity conference attended by governmental representatives. Can I claim I addressed the government?
Version One
"Royal family breaks protocol at Cenotaph in desperate bid to keep Harry (who is living his very best life in L.A.) in royal fold. 'Please Harry, come home' begs William"
Version Two
"Military defies BRF and lays a wreath for the bravest Royal ever. "We don't care", say Royal Marines" Harry will forever be the 'Captain General of our hearts'"