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What Oprah will ask the Sussexes - and what I would ask them

Supposedly Oprah's interview with the Sussexes is already recorded, which is too bad, because I have plenty of questions I would have suggested. 

Oprah will no doubt offer her standard questions - Are you living your best life? - plus some setups on the social justice theme she and the Sussexes are so fond of. 

Do you think your negative media coverage in the UK was motivated by racism?  

Tell us about your long-term commitment to environmentalism/Grenfell victims/menstrual health/COVID victims/Black History Month/Mayhew Dogs/Girls in South Africa/SmartWorks fashion/Indigenous Women in Canada. 

Also, I hear you really like Africa and have visited twice. Is that part of your anti-racism initiative, and how will you continue to propel your efforts in Africa while living in a big house in California?

Oprah has her own initiative in Africa, a school for girls near Johannesberg that has been plagued by abuse allegations, so she is comfortable with the idea of assisting Africa and Africans from the comfort of her own homes in California and Hawaii. 

A few abstract questions

I also expect a few big, abstract puffball questions from Oprah. 

What does privacy mean to you? What is the biggest misunderstanding about you? What type of mother do you want to be? What makes you sad? Whom do you trust?

Since Oprah has a rather mixed relationship with her own family - Oprah's mother spent so much money in one of Milwaukee's ritziest boutiques that Oprah actually instructed the proprietor to stop selling to her - we can also expect some sympathy about Meghan's strange family situation.

What I would do

A good interview generally starts on a comforting note. I'm here to hear your side of the story. 

A journalist who has time on her side (not someone interviewing a busy cop on the street, for example), generally wins over the trust of her subject by emphasizing what they agree on and what they have in common. It's wonderful to see you here. I'm so glad you've discovered this lovely area of Santa Monica. It's our little secret, but now you share our secret. 

If the subject is burning to say something, like "We can all live a life of service. Service is universal", it's a good idea to let them say it, because otherwise they won't be able to concentrate on anything else. Let them get it out, nod a lot to show you've listened to them. You can even go so far as to repeat it back to them. So, you feel that everyone can live a life of service. We all can. You're saying that it's universal.  

This makes the subject feel validated and much more comfortable. They've said what they've come here to say. 

At this point, you can start to turn up the temperature.

The difficult questions

Mid-interview is the time for difficult questions. I like to slowly slide into them, building on the rapport that I've built up in the interview so far, sometimes even using the subject's own language. You've said that service is universal, but you didn't want to serve on the Royal Family's terms, did you? Didn't you know what those terms were before you were married? 

You want to ask difficult questions, but not in a harsh manner that will cause your subject to stand up and walk out on you, or your audience to conclude that you are bullying the subject and turn agains you out of sympathy. 

If you have something negative to say, it's always useful to attribute to those thoughts to others, perhaps abstract figures like "some people" or "your critics".

Some people say that you seem to be dominating your husband, that you've taken him away from his friends, his family, his country, and his job - isolated him - and that he looks lost and unhappy. What would you say to those people?

The toughest question

The toughest question represents the high point of the interview, the point at which your subject is hopefully too committed to walk out, and the point at which you can answer the one question everyone really wants to know.

I'd ease into this if I were the one interviewing Meghan.

Privacy is important to you, isn't it? Especially when it concerns the people you love. (Give her a chance to nod or respond here, perhaps use up the paragraphs about privacy she has practiced in advance). 

Was it because of this need for privacy that there were so many unusual aspects to the birth of your first child? You concealed the due date, you concealed the place and time of birth, you kept the attending doctors secret, the name of the godparents are secret, and you were very slow to share images of the child. Why?

At this point, Meghan would probably stumble a bit, perhaps try to repeat her practiced paragraph about privacy, maybe smile and giggle in an attempt to be charming.

I would then go in for the kill.

Is the reason there's so much secrecy because your child was born to a surrogate, and you do not currently have custody of the child?

The long silence 

Not expecting this question, Meg would presumably not know what to say. Biting her lip, perhaps. 

This is when a good journalist uses silence as a tool. 

Just wait and sit until the subject comes up with some answer, any answer.

Back in journalism school, we used to study how Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes did this. The toughest question, silence, tight focus on the subject's face to catch any microexpressions. Blinking, touching nose, looking away.

Meg might say, "We just don't feel the public has a right to this child," but her tone and timbre will be revealing.

Following the tough question

The surest sign of a nonprofessional reporter is someone who doesn't use a juicy answer to a previous question to build the follow-up question. 

(Celebrity non-journalist interviewers are notorious for this: they have prewritten questions 1-5, and darned if prewritten question 4 isn't going to follow prewritten question 3, even if the answer to Question 3 is a murder confession).

In this case, I'd probably say, If the public doesn't have a right to this child, why is he in line for the British throne? Shouldn't you remove him from the line of succession? Part of being a British Royal is being visible to the British public."

"We don't want to make decisions for him," Meg might say. "We don't think it's up to us to renounce his heritage."

But how much British heritage will he have? I would ask.  He lives in the US. How can he possibly understand British culture and British values? How could he ever lead the British people if called upon? He will be, quite frankly, a foreigner.

More silence, until she comes up with some answer, any answer.

Cooling down

After a run of tense questions, it's a good idea to calm down a bit with some nice positive talk that will put your subject at ease. 

Tell me more about Archie. Is he more like you, or more like his father? Is he looking forward to being a big brother? What are your hopes and dreams for your children?

If you have a very long interview, you can go through several rounds of this, tense to relaxed, tense to relaxed. 

But you always want to be able to end on relaxed if you can, so you can at least have the fiction that you and your subject ended as friends. (You never know when you might need that subject's co-operation on something else in the future.)

In this case, Harry will come in for the final half hour, and we'll get a little more social justice chatter plus some softball questions like What do you love about each other?

It'll all be fascinating. 

Comments

@punkinseed,

Thanks! I hadn't thought of that! I just watched it with the caps on, and now wonder what Doria taking photos is all about.

I thought that MM was caught taking photos. Did (the not too bright) E! people get confused? Or were MM and Doria both caught taking photos?
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JennS said…
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Could Meghan be trying to rewrite history by having Doria "take the fall" for the photo rumours?
Unknown said…
@punkinseed I had trouble with the CC myself for this particular video.

@JocelynBellinis Most of the clip was hyping the Oprah interview. They were saying that CBS is giving them 90 mins because there is serious tea. They also said that it took the BRF a year to say they were "saddened" by them leaving. They think the BRF statement does not meet the gravity of the situation of them leaving.

Here's a transcript of the parts around 3:45. I don't know the hosts names and I apologize in advance for errors:

Man - I however would have rode for it a few more years. I would of did my service, got my 4 years in, you know, put my feet in the ground, you know, set my things up, got a few jewels and then peaced out. I would not have moved my man across the pond during a pandemic where he knew nobody.

Woman - Well, we don't know how bad it was!

Man - Well, we're gonna find out March 8th.

Younger Woman - Right! Oh, we're gonna need (airs?)

Woman - We're gonna find out how bad it really was for her and for him. It could have been bad. And not only that, because you know, her Mom was in the place, you know, her mother is taking a picture, and you know, it could have been some things. You know, and people come. We've seen it in this country. How people are coming out of the woodwork that you like - Oh! A little racist! Huh? Oh!

Younger Woman - Just... Just a little bit.

Man - Ha! Ha! Just a little bit.

Woman - Just imagine. It probably... It probably happened to her over there. She was probably surprised by what, by how people reacted to her.
Unknown said…
Whoops! I see everyone got the CC to work.
My guess about the Queen's refusal to allow DNA testing on the suspected Princes in the Tower is that, if she allows it in this case, she creates a precedent for the modern cases where individuals pop up claiming to be illegitimate Royal offspring.

Two modern instances come to mind straight away:

- the chap who claimed to be Princess Margaret's son (a bit a fantasist, it seems)

- the man apparently descended from a 19C Royal physician who would dearly loved to have known if said physician had quietly adopted a child of Victoria's daughter (the one who went to art school and had a rather, shall we say, Bohemian existence?) There was a programme on the radio about it a few years ago and I must say that his hypothesis seemed plausible.

If HM allowed one test, can you imagine the clamour from all the others wanting to prove their status? Pretenders would come crawling out of the woodwork - Check out the Sobieski Stuart brothers for another example.
lizzie said…
Who are those people speaking on E? I never watch it so I don't know. From the transcript, they barely speak English, either the American or the British version or any other version I know.

Doria wasn't in the UK very long for the wedding. And some of that time she was at Cliveden House. Doria was there for the book launch but wouldn't she have been invited to stay at Nott Cott where all 5 of M's best friends had managed to stay? And by the time she came for Archie's birth, H&M were supposedly living at Frog Cott. So when did all this insulting of Doria by palace staff happen?

I guess M is counting on people believing palace staff aren't of multiple races and ethnicities themselves. And aren't used to guests who are either (especially since the Commonwealth is all white...not!) Just like Harry thought he could get away with claiming toy stores in London sell only white dolls.

Maybe it will work. Some did believe O's ridiculous handbag story.
JennS said…
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Blogger Jdubya said...
`Someone earlier asked about Harry's uniforms - i haven't scanned all the posts to see if anyone answered`.

Yes, I put up an answer for uniforms at the Field Officer level - back in the day, my no.1 husband resented having to pay his tailor for made-to-measure in khaki barathea. He was neurotic about moth and woolly bear.

As for the Mess Kit, with damn' boots and spurs... at least he managed to get them off before coming to bed after a boozy Mess Night - our neighbour on the patch sometimes didn't manage that, much to his wife's fury.

Perhaps everything's cheaply made in the Far East now, in nasty polyester.
JennS said…
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Unknown said…
@JennS Yes, my mistake. Place is a typo. I definitely heard palace as well.
Acquitaine said…
@WBBM: That would be Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll.

Such a fascinating character. And quite a good artist. Her sculpture of Victoria still stands today, at the Hyde Park entrance of KP.

There was a book published about her recently by Lucinda Hawksley.
Sandie said…
For a long time, there have been rumours that Meghan was taking photos:

Of the Cambridge children.

Of Kensington Palace (and was escorted to the airport).

The rumours have been so exaggerated that I never found them believable, but are we going to get to the nugget of truth?

Meghan loves selfies so I can believe that while on a bootie call to Harry, she was taking selfies in the grounds of KP and was told by security to refrain from doing so. Nothing racist in that. I can even believe she was taking selfies with the Cambridge children and was caught and told to stop. Nothing racist in that, but ironic that a woman who hides her own child would behave like that with other children.

Doria did stay at KP, supposedly did have tea with the Queen at BP, and was there for the Archie reveal at WC. Doria caught being ever so tacky and taking photographs at any of those three locations and told by security/staff to stop? I can believe that. Racist? Nope.

Of course Oprah is going to go big on racism. We know her history. The climate is right for such spiteful nonsense to take fire and gain validity and do real harm. The tragedy is that Harry (no wonder he is looking so miserable) is not putting a stop to it, but will give this BS credibility and mumble about unconscious bias.
#wbbm,

Are they the same Sobieski brothers of the tartan debacle fame?
Sandie said…
Meghan's PR is in overdrive, and there are too many stupid people in the media who will not see the BS for what it is nor call on it.

The Commonwealth article is absurd but shows typical narc behaviour. Meghan has no interest in the Commonwealth and is just too stupid to understand what it is, how it operates and what its history is. But, how dare the Queen take something away from her? You don't do that to a narc without provoking major destructive rage.

The Commonwealth service is on the same day (I think the nearest Sunday?) every year, as it was before the BRF knew of Meglomaniac's existence, and the service this year was planned and arranged in February, well before the Oprah interview was arranged. How can Oprah and the American media go along with this madness and is there no logic or reason that can let the truth be heard and understood? Once again, it is a tragedy that Harry is going along with this. The only reasonable and appropriate thing for him to do is to get as far away as possible from the crazy narc and seek refuge on Crown property. He can't though, can he? He has made himself a captive for life and there is no line that crazy narc will not cross. But Harry comes from a nation and a family that sacrificed and risked all to stand up to fascism in two world wars. And his family genuinely do love him very much. There is hope?

Change of topic: Twins? A boy and a girl? Very possible with IVF.
Sandie said…
PS But where did the baby bump go for the odd Spotify promo? I know photographs can be very deceptive. But, no belly cupping, no huge baby bump, no tight-fittng clothes, no pregnancy smugness?
Sandie said…
And how can there be a bidding war for the Oprah-Meghan special when biggies lke BBC, Sky, Netflix, Amazon, and who knows how many others, have said 'No thanks, we are not interested'?
xxxxx said…
The Sobieski are a long standing noble Polish family. John III Sobieski and his Polish army came to the rescue at the Gates Of Vienna 1683 to repel and rout the Ottoman Muslim invaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_III_Sobieski
Sobieski's greatest success came in 1683, with his victory at the Battle of Vienna, in joint command of Polish and German troops, against the invading Ottoman Turks under Kara Mustafa.[26][31]
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Not so many people are aware that the croissant that is now seen as a French national symbol is actually not French. The story of croissant starts in Vienna, and in order to explain it, we have to go back in history and introduce you the croissant’s grandfather - Vienna’s kipferl.

Legends about the kipferl
There are many legends on how the kipferl came to existence. The most interesting and most common ones involve the Turks and the medieval siege of Vienna. There were two unsuccessful attempts by the Ottoman Empire to capture the city of Vienna. Allegedly, during the Second Siege of Vienna in 1683, a Viennese master baker named Peter Wendler created a crescent-shaped pastry to mock the Turkish crescent, that they wanted to plant on the Vienna’s St. Stephen's Cathedral.

So, every time a Viennese bites a kipferl, he eats a Turkish enemy, so to speak. However, the planting of the Turkish flag had never happened because Vienna was successfully defended both times. Another legend involving the siege of Vienna says that the bakers, because they had to get up early, were the first to notice how the Ottomans wanted to gain the access to the city through a tunneling work. They had sounded the alarm and thus significantly contributed to the rescue of Vienna.
I'm writing on a tablet, so excuse any errors.

I'm reading a bio of Kate, and this, to me, is the difference between MM and Kate.

Kate invited her local pub owner, the butcher,the shopkeeper, and the postman- all from little Buckleberry to her wedding.

MM would never think of doing something as lovely as that.
Magatha Mistie said…
Cheers Charade 😘

Swampie “I’m Insane”
after reading Megs latest logorrhoea
(fave new word) 😉

The E people misunderstood, Megs,
when caught taking photos said
“Oh, I was taking the shots for momma”
Magatha Mistie said…

Jocelyn, yes, Kate invited the locals
to her wedding, to a future King.
Madam invited Oprah, Elton, the Clooneys...
and her mother, to her wedding to an ex spare...

@Jocelyn's Bellinis asked if the Sobieski Stuarts were the same pair as involved in the `Tartan debacle' - yes they are. A couple of chancers of dubious origins, even the Internet can't agree where they came from!

One version says they were English & called `Carter', another says they were genuinely Polish. They claimed to be descended from Charles Edward, made up quite a bit of tartan mythology and caused quite a stir.

Yes, the Sobieskis were a very important Polish royal family. The `warming pan baby' aka James III/Old Chevalier/Old Pretender married Maria Clementina Sobieska, grand-daughter of the great John Sobieski, ie John III, so Charles Edward was a great-grandson of the great hero of Poland who defeated the Ottoman Empire which had pushed as far as the gates of Vienna.

This is where the pastry cooks and croissants come into the story. Some of these cooks fled presumably to France, others to Denmark, where the Brits discovered their handiwork and dubbed them `Danish pastries'. In other European countries, as far-flung as Iceland, they are known correctly as `Viennese bread'.)

The Sobieski Stuarts were nothing but imposters and fraudsters. Unfortunately, I can't help but be reminded of someone else with whom we are very familiar when I read their story. Luckily, not enough people believed them to be who they claimed to be; with a larger following they could have threatened the Crown.
Magatha Mistie said…

Oprahtion Oprey

Oprah is out to make trouble
By blasting white privelege to rubble
She’s on a quest to bring down
The Queen, and the Crown
Whilst living high life in her bubble



Maneki Neko said…
Seen in The Daily Star in Newzit:

"Prince Andrew's birthday earlier this month saw the official royal Twitter account congratulate the Duke, but his titles were not included in the public post, sparking rumours about his titles

Prince Andrew celebrated his birthday earlier this month and the Queen wished him a happy birthday on the official royal Twitter account - but his titles were absent.

The Duke of York, who turned 61 on February 19, has not been officially stripped of his titles by the Queen."

Nothing official, however the official royal Twitter account didn't mention his titles. I think in this case the titles were Duke of York (any others?) although he was referred to as Prince Andrew (unless I misunderstood). Interesting.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/prince-andrews-royal-title-absent-23561770
Quoted on Yahoo today:

"The BBC will not be “pulling out its cheque book” for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey, the Telegraph can reveal.

The Duchess, 39, is understood to have wanted the highly anticipated tete-a-tete to be broadcast on the most prestigious British channel.

But as the corporation ruled itself out, ITV became the frontrunner to win the UK rights."

Oh good, at least our licence fee won't be funding this. Will she have it in for the BBC now?
Magatha Mistie said…

Oprahtunity Knocked

I think the big ‘O’ should give up
Her endless quest, to be on top
She’s not likely to make any new fans
A bit long in the tooth
Clearly hides from the truth
Just desperate to gather more stans


Opus said…
My Pocket Oxford Dictionary contains the following second definition of the word scold: n. nagging or complaining woman {prob ON (SKALD)}. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. This is the 1986 reprint and so probably by now such definition has been removed but if not and were I the compiler I would add 'frequently a North American female of woke sensibilities also known as a Karen'. I limit this to North America as I do not find English women are so incensed by normal language or terms of endearment like pet or princess yet twice now you good ladies have seen fit to place a dunces cap upon my head and order me to stand in the corner facing the wall for having said the wrong word. 'Look all I said was this halibut is good enough for Jehovah'.

I realise that explication merely digs a larger hole but - in for a penny in for a pound - The Female of the Species is Deadlier than the Male is a well known expression indeed it is the title of a film I saw at the cinema when I was not yet of the age of reason and; in the Little Britain sketch I was thinking of a Reverend from Harlem on an exchange visit to St Jesus's Anglican church somewhere in the Home Counties announces himself with the words (this by the way is Matt Lucas in black - or rather - brown face) 'I, is from the ghetto; you, is from the ghetto; we, is all from the ghetto, but how is we gonna get out of the ghetto'. How in less than twenty years I ask rhetorically have we come to a situation where what I and every one else found hilarious (along with all the other Little Britain characters) has become a matter of shame, not to be mentioned but apologised for and the creators of the show cancelled, sacked and given the modern sackcloth and ashes.

We don't have Ghettos in England partly because we are not obsessed with colour instead we have sink estates and neither does our most successful singer sing of a young man being in but attempting to remove himself from the ghetto, on the contrary we are off on a summer holiday with hearty congratulations. We are after all 'a happy breed'.The importation of American sensibilities and hang-ups is thus to be resisted but as it happens I know all about the ghetto as I lived in D.C. (and in consequence thereof the ER dept of Providence Hospital, on Rhode Island Avenue - infinitely better than our much lauded but dreadful NHS) and more amazingly I attended and without injury the church (with full gospel choir) of the Rev. Jesse Jackson in Chicago, IL. Mrs Jackson (whom I met and whose birthday it was) was such an elegant lady. Even so, the online equivalent of genuflection to certain other people is to be avoided.

xxxxx said…
Thanks WBBM! On Sobieski.
And thanks to our M Mistie
For your latest blasts...
Not set in prose
Prose for those
Of low imagination

Of low originations
Such as..
Oprah and M/H for tea
Spilling
The good Lord willing
I see a smash-up
A million Dollar cash up
A Pounds rich cash out
For Anglo-Royalty to see
To finally wake from slumber
They + MI6 have her number
They must unencumber
Their misty Green Isles
From this Duo so vile
With all their bile

This will happen
BRF unleashes the Kraken
To also Covid lift
A Merlin gift
King Arthur's round table
Will enable
A world then set right
Britons reclaiming birth rights
Magatha Mistie said…

WildBoar, I am surprised, lefted BBC not bidding?
Must be short on licence cash,
as paid for by the white privileged people
they abhor?



Maneki Neko said…
@WBBM

Yes, our licence fee won't pay for the Harkles' vomit inducing bilge.

"The BBC is also not believed to be in the running, as it is instead airing the Queen's annual Commonwealth Day message in a pre-recorded speech at Windsor on March 7 - just 24 hours before the Oprah interview is broadcast in the US."

Queen 1 - Megalo 0
Acquitaine said…
"Wild Boar Battle-maid said…

Oh good, at least our licence fee won't be funding this. Will she have it in for the BBC now?"

Our tax money is going to pay for this interview.

ITV and C4 don't like to advertise the fact that they receive a slice of the licence fee money.

ITV in particular likes to place emphasise on their ad revenue.

BBC receives the lion share of it, then ITV and then C4. In that order.

The only time the licence fee funding comes up is when the broadcasters find themselves in dire straits as C4 did a decade ago and have to go explsin themselves to parliament.

Magatha Mistie said…

The Taming of the Who?

All about Haz, he’s a bore
All about Megs, she’s a chore
There’s no end with these two
Who knows what they’ll do
Apart from asking for more
They’re hell bent on disrupting the core!






Acquitaine said…
Opus: Honestly you deserve a scold's bridle and some rotten eggs thrown at you for at least a week for repeatedly offending everyone and then calling us overly sensitive prudes whilst also pointing out your friendship with X minority group as the licence to keep being offensive.

There are many things that were accepted in ye old times that haven't been acceptable for over a century so stop being a provocateur because it is childish and not funny.

And while we are here, the word ghetto started as a way to describe the all Jewish areas of town that had been turned into defacto internment camps in cities like Vienna and Venice in the 16th and 17th centuries.

It wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now.

Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha

I thought it was the Taming of the Shrew 😄, 'shrew' being quite apt in this case (a shrew but not shrewd).
Sylvia said…
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Sylvia said…
Copied from Skipy blog
Could this be a what's in store next for OW & Grip & Drip?

Refresher on the Mo'Nique and Oprah Feud Now That Mo'Nique Is Suing NetflixBY SHANNON RAPHAEL

NOV. 14 2019, PUBLISHED 4:45 P.M. ET

Even though Oprah Winfrey wrapped her talk show more than eight years ago, she's still one of the biggest celebrities, and she seems like one of the last ones we'd want to be embroiled in a feud with. But, actress and Academy Award winner Mo'Nique Hicks, who goes simply by her first name, has been in conflict with Oprah for several years. 

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Mo'Nique is suing Netflix for discrimination after she believes that she was low-balled in a deal to do a stand-up special with the streaming service. The news of the lawsuit had fans remembering her issues with Oprah from years ago. The Mo'Nique and Oprah feud has a ton of layers, and things are getting more complicated now that Mo'Nique has engaged in some other drama. 




Details on the Mo'Nique and Oprah feud.

Like many feuding celebrities, Mo'Nique and Oprah were once good friends. In 2009, Mo'Nique starred in Precious, a role which got her an Academy Award. Oprah presented the movie along with Tyler Perry to further give it press attention.

Mo'Nique thanked Oprah in her Oscar speech, saying that the world saw the movie because Oprah and Tyler put their names on it.

According to a Mo'Nique interview on Periscope with her husband, Sidney Hicks, Oprah later called her and asked if she'd be interested in appearing on The Oprah Winfrey show with Gerald. He's the brother that allegedly sexually assaulted her. Mo'Nique declined, saying that she didn't want to involve herself in that, even if her brother had changed his ways. But, she approved him appearing on the show.

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Mo'Nique then said that she confided in Oprah that she and her mother were on bad terms. She claims that she was shocked to learn that both of her parents appeared on the episode of the talk show that Gerald was featured on.

The actress then noted that she never would have said yes to letting Gerald on if she had known that her mom would be in attendance. She then referred to her mom as greedy.




The Oscar winner went on to say that she didn't fully stick up for herself the next time she spoke to Oprah, because she was worried about offending one of the biggest celebrities in the world. But, she told herself that she would be honest the next time she saw Oprah in person.

Mo'Nique said that Oprah claimed that she didn't know that the parents would go to the show taping. The two didn't speak or see each other again for years. 

In a crazy Hollywood moment, Mo'Nique said that she confronted Oprah at a party for then-Oscar nominee Lupita Nyong'o in 2013. Other actresses including Angela Bassett and Loretta Divine were there, according to Mo'Nique. Oprah gave an apology, but Mo'Nique believed that it wasn't sincere. 

Mo'Nique has also called out Tyler Perry and Lee Daniels, noting that the pair, along with Oprah, had her blacklisted in Hollywood following her Academy Award win. 



Mo'Nique is also suing Netflix for discrimination.

On Nov. 14, Mo'Nique hit Netflix with a lawsuit after she said she was given a low price to film a stand-up comedy special for the site. Netflix stand-up specials have been uber-successful for the streaming service, and comedians including Nikki Glaser, Jenny Slate, Dave Chappelle, and Seth Meyers have filmed exclusive acts for it.


jessica said…
The PR campaign to alleviate Oprah from having to ask delicate Meghan any hard questions has started.

‘Oprah in hot water over asking Olsen twins their sizes in old interview’ during the days of anorexia claims.

We won’t be seeing anything in the Megs interview.
jessica said…
^^gives Meghan the perfect ammo to Markle Oprah too and claim Oprah wasn’t sensitive or fair to her during the interview.
Fifi LaRue said…
There is no bidding war in the UK for Oprah's interview because Oprah is an unknown in the UK, and there is no bidding war in the US for the Harkles interview. So, it's either or both Oprah and The Harkles putting out false PR to generate views of the interview.
You can come from very humble beginnings and know better than to take pictures of someone's home without permission.

A palace may be grand, it may remind you of a museum, but it is still someone's home.

And if this is really something they'll make a stink over, why have we not seen pictures of inside the Harkle's home (outside of the birds nest pictures), or of Oprah's home, or Elton's home, or.....

If it is assumed to be ok for Doria then I want to see pictures from Elton's (as taken by Grip), George and Amal's, inside the baby shower, etc.

Dop whistle, pure dog whistle
LavenderLady said…
In response to a question up thread concerning how has Covid affected our working life, how has it changed our life?

I myself have been semi retired but call myself retired because I no longer work in my former field.

I had a wonderful career but it is a field that can take a toll if one doesn't take regular time off. Dealing with people's issues is always challenging.

I work part time doing very meaningful work which I greatly enjoy. I am a jeweler as are many of my people. I also love weaving.

My life is very peaceful now as long as I don't get involved with men lol. They always seem to bring drama! I deeply enjoy my family, community, and a traditionally spiritual life.

I have spent most of my life in urban living but go back and forth into tribal settings. My parents chose to live in town which is acceptable. Now as an elder I am more involved in community life which is so beautiful to me. Covid hit us hard but we are recuperating.

I am also financially secure but perhaps this has different meanings to different people. My home has been paid off for years and my income meets all my needs quite nicely. I lack for nothing. I follow a philosophy of simple living.

I find it unusual when people discuss their wealth or their connections but that's just how I was raised. I have always lived in a world where there are no social stratas. They may have existed but my folks chose to ignore them and I have always done the same.

I often wonder if perhaps why I find the BRF so fascinating is the pomp and ceremony are worlds away from me but I would not trade my life, my heritage, for anything this world has to offer.

Covid has made us stronger. It took many of our elders who were keepers of the wisdom, but it had to be so in order for the young ones to step up and grow up. The wisdom that remains is now filling the young throughout the Nations and it's so so beautiful to witness. We will continue...

As I have shared, we don't consider ourselves as part of the mainstream in America. This is probably the number one trait of my life that I treasure. That I can be part of this country, and can contribute but I can step away from it's culturally abhorrent lack of standards.
I can be safe in my community which is thousands and thousands of years old. That safety and protection we feel has been a very long time in coming and it is treasured.

Sorry to be go off topic. Just wanted to respond to Swampwoman's guestion.
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xxxxx said…
Who dug this one up from 2004? Are certain parties trying to sabotage the upcoming Oprah interview with Megs? Can this be some malice from The Palace? The Grey Men having their fun? Near the top of DM/US edition today.
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Oprah Winfrey's unearthed 2004 interview with teenage Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen raises eyebrows as host asks them 'what size are you?' amid eating disorder rumours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9299465/Oprah-Winfrey-asks-teen-Mary-Kate-Ashley-Olsen-size-unearthed-2004-interview.html
LavenderLady said…
I'd like to add in addition, how my experience is shared from a pan tribal lens. I don't discuss my actual tribe here much though you know generally I'm Apache because I don't want to give too much detail on my personal life- the web and all. There are a few Apache Nations.

In a pan tribal life, we from various tribes share art, stories, dance etc. Apaches don't work with silver and turquoise. I do because I was married to a man from a tribe that are silversmiths and I think it's gorgeous. My best friend is Dene, she taught me to weave. Back in the day the Dene and Apaches were enemies but we just laugh about it now. I find Apache art forms boring lol. I can only say that here...

It's a whole new world and we have to strive to get along if we want to survive. We all have our grievances but it's how we articulate them that makes for war or peace. It's our choice. Sometimes my choices have not been good. I'm doing better.

Ok back to the regular line of conversation. Thanks for your patience.
AnT said…
Because the three E! Pop commentators referred to Meghan’s daughter, I am affraid take everything they say with a Himalayan salt lamp. If they think M has a daughter, I don’t trust their mention of Doria snapping pictures - they probably all misremembered the story of Megs being booted out by Charles for the same camera discourtesy.

It is just more goofy paid effort to star ratings for this CBS mess.

And now, HELLO dropped a big blathering speculation piece about how gosh, maybe Doria will appear in the video too! Because the world is simply clamoring to see the one woman who made 9 million dollars teaching part time yoga at a senior center for a year. Oh—-

[pleaseplesepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasewatchmyshow!]

AnT said…
@jessica,

I agree, that Olsen old tea drop Is either the DM/new anon grey man whiz boy making sure to tarnish O by realigning her with creepy questioning of young girls (and her loving photos with mega creep Harvey Weinstein),

Or the frantic O team building their excuse for a boring tedious softball interview with the cloying, bitter, jumpy Harkles.

Archie? I think we will see Harry trip over a pre-placed toy and make a joke. Naturally, “Archie is off with Doria for the day learning yoga.“ Or we will be shown the three year old Duck Rabbit kid, or a new red-haired four year old cooking quinoa with Mummy.
Sandie said…
I just came across the post from Maria Shriver in support of Meghan and her comment about service being universal.

The misunderstanding is profound, and I really think Meghan was just too stupid to understand and too self-involved to try and educate herself.

The kind of service the Queen is referring to, and which she dedicated her life to and expects working royals to, is one in which the purpose of your life is to serve others. You do suppress your thoughts and personal feelings, unless they are beneficial to others. Where and how you live, your schedule, what you wear, your whole life is arranged around serving others. It is not something you do for any benefit for yourself, and it is completely incompatable with commercial activity to enrich oneself. The Queen has learnt this from bitter experience, with Andrew being the supreme example.

In my country, civil/public servants are not supposed to do business with the state and are supposed to declare all private business dealings. Of course, this is ignored and corruption is rife, but at the root of the philosophy is that public service and commercial enterprise are incompatable.

Those who make a lot of money and give a lot to charity/do a lot to support organizations that serve the public are philanthropists. What they do is philanthropy, not service. (Bill Gates does not lead a life of service - not the kind the Queen is talking about. He is a philanthropist.) The Harkles are minor players that cannot be classified as philanthropists. The Cambridges live a life of service but are also philanthropists - generous donations to their foundation and wise use of both their inheritances allows them to straddle the two worlds. I may be using the term philanthropist too loosely with them so please correct me if I am wrong with that.

@LavendarLady ... beautiful post!
Sandie said…
@AnT

LOL!

If I had known yoga could be such a lucrative career choice, and part-time, I would have stuck with it years ago!
Miggy said…
New Lady C video:

Palace trumps Oprah interview/timing & Commonwealth Week/Meghan's bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_SxwhNz9BM
Jdubya said…
@Acquitaine - thank you thank you thank you for chastising Opus. I don't know what his problem is but he certainly has changed from what his earlier posts were. He is one I will now just skip over vs reading.
LavenderLady said…
@Sandie said,
The kind of service the Queen is referring to, and which she dedicated her life to and expects working royals to, is one in which the purpose of your life is to serve others. You do suppress your thoughts and personal feelings, unless they are beneficial to others. Where and how you live, your schedule, what you wear, your whole life is arranged around serving others. It is not something you do for any benefit for yourself, and it is completely incompatable with commercial activity to enrich oneself. The Queen has learnt this from bitter experience, with Andrew being the supreme example.

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Very well put!

This is a true community spirit- which thinks of the whole not just the individual. It can be very hard if one doesn't have a place where they can let go a bit and just be their naughty selves every once and awhile!

It's fantastic how she lets it slip on occasion just a bit so everyone knows she's not playing...I dig it!

@jdubya,

Yes, Acquitaine nailed it so brilliantly :D
AnT said…
@Sandie,

Right??! I told my friend who teaches yoga in Rome, and she laughed and laughed and laughed.

Doria is so noble for giving up such an incredibly lucrative revenue stream to switch to cash-only senior care. Awww.
xxxxx said…
Quinoa bowls for all
When you watch the Oprah drop
And flop
With whisky on the side
So that you can abide
As the word salad flows
Awaiting Merchie to appear
From the rear of the set
This you will get
Plus Doritos and more
To even the score
That our Negsy needs
To make the RF bleed

Harry will tarry
You will not see him
Would not want to be him
When Trooping this Spring
He will be off on a fling
With his hair doctors I know
He needs this to show
In Hollywood
Harkles' fantasy Bollywood
Where they dance away dreaming
Robbing Spotify scheming
AnT said…
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Mel said…
 Jdubya said...

@Acquitaine - thank you thank you thank you for chastising Opus. I don't know what his problem is but he certainly has changed from what his earlier posts were. He is one I will now just skip 
----------------------

I'd been thinking the same thing. There have been a few distasteful, derogatory terms used in those posts. I guess they think it's funny, but it's not.

I know 9 people who have died from Covid-19. It's nothing to joke or be demeaning about. It's only been sad and heartbreaking.
AnT said…
@xxxxx,

👏👏👏👏👏👏😂😘
Miz Malaprop said…
@jessica, AnT

Regarding the Olsen news blurb, this type of pre-interview blast might be the Sussex camp (aka Omid) trying to craft yet another Markle as victim narrative.

Just in case the interview doesn't result in her being crowned Queen of America or they don't get the ratings win, or the reviewers don't like "the voice" she's been denied, ol' Scobie will scuttle out of his cage and bleat about being "taken out of context" or that Oprah is jealous of Meghan's beauty, fertility and natural slenderness.

The signs are already there that interview won't be the PR bonanza that turns the tide on her popularity. There is no there, there, as Gertrude Stein once said. Narcissists are always empty shells, desperately dancing to hide their desolate inner selves.

As a person of mixed heritage from LA, who is sensitive to issues of culture clash, I really don't understand how this "Brits were horribly racist" tale has lasted this long. When? Where? A few lowly commentators on the DM?

As an American I remain embarrassed that she has fulfilled every single stereotype about the USA, loud, rude, oblivious and only concerned about money. Sigh. My only hope for the Oprah moment is that it represents the nail in the proverbial coffin of their public life, and they finally start that PRIVACY they've been demanding for the last few years.
LavenderLady said…
LCC once again disembowels H$M. Especially La Markle. LCC is the queen of analogies. I laughed throughout the entire vid.

I was left wondering how such an astute business woman as Oprah could allow herself to even pursue the interview knowing it would be aired on the same day as the Queen's speech and presentation. That is career suicide IMO. But as it has been said here, it's power Op wants she doesn't need a "career" at this stage in her life.

It makes her look really bad.

Good news on Phillip. I won't spoil but it's just as I thought from the beginning.
Midge said…
@Miz Malaprop
"My only hope for the Oprah moment is that it represents the nail in the proverbial coffin of their public life, and they finally start that PRIVACY they've been demanding for the last few years." My hope too!

@Lavendar Lady
Thank you for sharing those pictures of your life. I really enjoyed reading those posts.
LavenderLady said…
@Mel said,
I know 9 people who have died from Covid-19. It's nothing to joke or be demeaning about. It's only been sad and heartbreaking.

*

Yes. Thank you so much for saying it...Hugs. I'm so sorry for your losses.
LavenderLady said…
@Midge,

You're welcome. Hugs!
LavenderLady said…
@Sandie,


Just saw your comment. Awww thank you so much. Hugs!
Hikari said…
@ Miz Malaprop,

You win lattes today for these . . you are on a roll!

Just in case the interview doesn't result in her being crowned Queen of America or they don't get the ratings win, or the reviewers don't like "the voice" she's been denied, ol' Scobie will scuttle out of his cage and bleat about being "taken out of context" or that Oprah is jealous of Meghan's beauty, fertility and natural slenderness.

ROFL!

The signs are already there that interview won't be the PR bonanza that turns the tide on her popularity. There is no there, there, as Gertrude Stein once said. Narcissists are always empty shells, desperately dancing to hide their desolate inner selves.

As you also observed, Megalo embodies each and every one of the the 'ugly American abroad' stereotypes that frankly have made us objects of ridicule the world over: Crass, vulgar, loud, money-and-status obsessed while knowing the true value of nothing which passes before her eyes; ignorant, and not just ignorant but happy to remain so, convinced that 'her' way is the better way in everything. No taste, no consideration for the cultural sensitivities of others; we've still got ZERO actual proof that she speaks any language other than English, and that in her own special garbled way; slovenly in public despite having the money not to be so, whining about how things were 'so much better' at home and complaining that things are 'different' (ie, 'bad') where she CHOSE to move . . the list goes on.

She does bring deep and everlasting shame upon the United States of America. A lot of Britons, though hopefully not the majority, will look at her behavior and think she represents the values of all American women. The media has been absolutely saturated with her antics, so that's a bit understandable. American celebrity culture is a world removed from traditional British values which are epitomized in the Royal family, at least publicly.

But Meghan is a very special American case, and not 'special' in the way she thinks. She is, I believe, certifiably mentally ill with a number of co-current conditions. Her behavior, demeanor and mode of speech/preoccupations are NOT normal, even for a Hollywood actress. She's quite deranged. To call her representative of all Americans is akin to saying that Hitler embodied all Germans. I feel like that is the line in the sand we must draw now. It was one thing to be Harry's pushy, high-spirited wife and not fit into the buttoned down Royal life. But she's way beyond being a square peg in a round hole--she has evidenced abject *insanity* commencing with 'the Archie Show' and it just keeps getting worse and worse. Because it has been allowed to flourish with no curbs on her behavior and continued unchecked spending. In days gone by, perhaps even in the reign of ER's father, someone like Meghan would have been committed to an institution on the charges of 'hysteria' and very probably 'nymphomania'. In our more enlightened age, someone like her will never have her freedom curtailed unless she commits a violent crime against another person or blatantly hurts herself. Maybe if she was waving around a gun and threatening to kill Harry or Archie, that would do it. But just acting crazy and saying provocative self-sabotaging things in the press isn't enough to do it.

She's as mad as a hatter and she's being paid millions for it. Galling isn't the word.

In the words of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, attributed to his signature detective, Sherlock Holmes, Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius. Meg is sub-mediocre; that's why she lashes out at everyone and everything that she envies. This *itch is the epitome of 'Haughty'--I cannot wait for her inevitable 'Fall' . . it's just taking so damn long.
AnT said…
@Miz Malaprop

Fascinating comment! Your thought about this Oprah-Olsens scrap being used by lapdog Scobie in the future to cover for any failure of Megs to ascend after it airs is brilliant. Never thought of it, but wow. Yes.

And you’ve sold me on it with your logic. So you think Megs would tell her mouthpiece to flex out with “Oprah was so jealous of my x, y, x,......”. What about also a dab of “even though Meg pushed the mean Palace. to invite Oprah to wedding and tried to help her, as Megs is a young more famous woman, who could get fresh youth attention for the old, struggling Oprah brand....Megs even offered to coach Oprah, as a popular duchess who is running a top foundation with a world audience...but Oprah was too envious of her youth, beauty, and brains...”

We have seen Megs has no scruples or loyalty, so I can imagine it, definitely. You really have Me thinking. If Megs could slam a Queen, and an entire country (also, your comments about racism from your own life experience make such a good point)....she could feel big enough as a crazy narcissist to try to squash Oprah, too, and to try to take her spot.

Would Oprah strike back?
.
Many a true word...

From the Mail today about MPs expressing their displeasure at the H$M getting, apparently, oodles of moolah from Spotify when so many performing artists are having a hard time, eg being reduced to driving for Uber, (S.Brine is Tory MP for Winchester):

"When asked by Mr Brine whether Harry and Meghan have saved the music industry, Mr Gutierrez responded: 'That seems a bit premature.

'They're not the only act that we've signed, we've signed dozens of those and we'll continue to do that.'
"

I love the way that Horatio referred to them as an `act' - they call it `activism' but we know it's all an act.
LavenderLady said…
@AnT said,
...she could feel big enough as a crazy narcissist to try to squash Oprah, too, and to try to take her spot.

*

I have no doubt La Markle is gunning for Op's place. But she will learn the hard way going after that spot will do her in. Oprah Winfrey may be many things but she's been consistent, hard working and stable. Everything Megsy Baby is not. And it is becoming evident the Duch-esqe made it on her back...
Oprah wants power. Pissing on the BRF won't get it for you. Just the opposite. UK is America's close ally and if you want to run in any political power circles (think BBQ with the Obamas, visits to the WH), you don't dump on a friend nor jump into another country's politics.

My best guess: softball questions, nothing earth shattering, nothing "scandalous" that would reflect poorly on UK/USA relations (UK doesn't like US disparaging the Royals and the US doesn't like the UK disparaging its citizens).

Everybody keep in your own lane.
Crumpet said…
@Sandie,

You said, where did the baby bump go...

Yes, I was surprised this little detail was not really commented on at all. I thought the DM or the Daily Star would be all over it.

@AnT, yes, I think Oprah would strike back, but quietly on the DL. "One might not even be able to tell it came from her" style. O's tentacles are spread far and wide, and all it takes is a few tidbits of information set free in that employee & acquaintance network, and then all of a sudden you have a forest fire on your hands, and no one will really know where it started.
MM could whine "I tried to be nice to her by inviting her to my wedding(and agreeing to the interview), but then she was so mean to me", etc.
AnT said…

@Miz Makaprop,
@Hikari,

Both of your superb comments just gave me shiver. Something I just really comprehended, though you probably thought of it already:

If you assume Megs is mentally ill, even certifiable, and a narcissist...we know she creeps in and tries to copy her targets to take over some aspect of their lives (twinning with Messica, legs spread at tennis for Serena’s husband, copying Diana of course, doe-eyes at William, coy sexy orphan for Charles, Misha Nonoo’s white shirt style and fashion biz via that lame brief charity wardrobe mess, Africa because of Chelsy, trying to be a little casual beach fun girl Anniston upon LA arrival, switching to Kim K).....

....do you suppose she insisted on moving to faraway sleepy old retiree Montecito to try to not merely be near, but to actually life-stalk Oprah or Ellen and actually try to absorb take over their careers? (She failed to wedge into McPhee’s spot, and moved on?)

Don’t know what happened with Ellen, but is it Oprah’s turn? “Aw, let me ask YOU questions, Oprah! Everyone wants to know about O!”
AnT said…
Sorry, ugh, typos typing too fast —- @Miz Malaprop!


@ConstantGardener33,

True enough, the quiet leaks, murmurs, sharing with associates, and never allowing her into the relaunch of O magazine etc.
Lil raindrop said…
O: The outtakes (homage to T Cruise)

60 minutes in:

O: Thank you for joining us.

We're just sitting here trashing Britain, the Royal Family, actually all of Meg's and H's family (except Doria), the Commonwealth, any of the Press that questions lies and hypocrisy, and all white people throughout the world...And now we're joined by H who will double down on trashing his grandparents. ..

H wanders into frame and settles himself on the couch..something's not right.. suddenly he standing on the couch shouting!!! 'WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU TWO???' He swipes the woke books off the shelf, they're everywhere... he grabs the bird nests, smashing them over his knee and hurling the frames akimbo......He bawls

WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND ALL I WANT TO DO IS

Go to the rugby with my mates, have a slap up meal, get p*ssed and sing bawdy songs until I pass out;
Eat steak every day of the week..what's the point in being in the USA and not having BBQ steak?
Shoot the breeze with my comrades, make racists remarks, and listen while they tell me I'm soldier just like them!!!

He grabs Meg's purse and rummages..he's found them..they look battered and bruised but he's got them. He throws the purse to the ground..

'Gawd. I'm so done with this'. Walks out of frame. Door slams loudly.

O and M look at each other, stupified..

M recovers first..'I'll get the meds'
O: we'll pick this up tomorrow..
@AnT, right, so then O doesn't have dirt on her hands, but the job gets done. Revenge served cold. MM won't know what hit her and she'll be totally locked out from everything and everyone in the entertainment industry, politics, you name it. I mean, if the proverbial phone isn't exactly ringing now, it certainly won't be after that.
LavenderLady said…
This!!

@Constant Gardener 33 quoted:
@AnT, yes, I think Oprah would strike back, but quietly on the DL. "One might not even be able to tell it came from her" style. O's tentacles are spread far and wide, and all it takes is a few tidbits of information set free in that employee & acquaintance network, and then all of a sudden you have a forest fire on your hands, and no one will really know where it started.

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Very good way of detailing how it will go down.

I worked with a woman who is the exact type as Megsy. Same MO, everything. She did know where her bread was buttered and managed to stay on good terms for quite awhile with a couple of people whom she knew to be her leg up the ladder. But after quite a bit of schmoozing she could not maintain the façade and she exploded.

I watched from my office knowing exactly the Semtex keg she was setting for herself.

Like the saying goes, give someone enough rope...taken from the story of Esther in the OT. Hayman was hung on the gallows he built for Mordecai.
Perhaps MM has realised that if she did set foot Britain, she could very well be detained indefinitely under the Mental Health Act. It'd be politically difficult but not impossible, if she was deemed dangerous to others, as when in a rage.

In the absence of a close relative asking for a medical assessment, the police can call a doctor so he can judge the situation and sign the forms. It happens in dementia cases - to an aunt & cousin of mine, in fact. I live in fear of mental decay but have reassured my husband that, should I go the same way, at least I'd get free care!

The last time I was on the receiving end of a narcissistic rage, I decided that if the narc did anything that could be construed as an attempted assault, I'd call the police and the medics.
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM said,
The last time I was on the receiving end of a narcissistic rage, I decided that if the narc did anything that could be construed as an attempted assault, I'd call the police and the medics.

*

Oh dear.

The same woman I mentioned above came after me in public when I was out with friends. She started to talk pleasantries with me and I acted like I didn't know her. I didn't respond to anything she said and looked at her like "who are you"? She became infuriated demanding to know why I was ignoring her. I looked at my friends like "I don't know this person" and we left the store-we were out shopping!

She was still steaming as we walked out. But if she had become physical, I would have had security call the police. My knowing it was all on store CCTV was my saving grace.

I refused to play her game by acting like she was a friend. She knew then I knew exactly what she is. Good thing I live in a fairly large city. They can be quite scary!

I would hate to be on the receiving end of a hot tea pot chucked by a Royal pain in the ass Duchess.
Hikari said…
@AnT,

Megalo has demonstrated and as much as SAID that she regards herself superior to the Queen of England, who is nothing to her except a stiff, out of touch old lady obsessed with restrictive dress codes and 'manners'. Someone who can so blatantly disrespect the Queen of England is going to regard herself as the equal of the Queen of Daytime TV. She has paid Oprah deference so far because she has been sucking up to O. for projects and connections. After this interview airs, though . . will Oprah be done with them, or is she going to continue to promote them for other projects? If she's spent significant time with them since they touched down in Montecito and while putting this interview together, it must be obvious to O that this duo drags only bad karma behind them, is extremely controversial and recalcitrant to work with. Wouldn't somebody of Oprah's clout be courting the likes of Kamala Harris and Amanda Gorman? Meg and Harry have nothing to offer of value to her; they are only *taking* from associating with Oprah. It's not like some long-dormant work ethic and passionate commitment is suddenly going to spring forth from either of the Montecito Mopes. Alienating the Royal family by sucking up to showboating traitors who lie constantly and produce nothing of merit isn't a good look for Oprah at all.

I'm hoping it's an epic disaster for all concerned and the Royal Family gets the last laugh. Kind of interesting that Oprah is receiving negative press right now for clips of an ancient interview with the Olsen twins. Wonder who arranged *that*?
JennS said…
**@Lil raindrop

Love your take on the Oprah interview with Hazza reclaiming his manhood!
🤣👏👏🤣

I so wish he would come to his senses.

How Harry has allowed the world to see him so dominated and emasculated is beyond understanding.
MM has succeeded in sucking out his whole identity and replacing it with a compliant robotic empty-headed creature who dutifully spouts woke platitudes and follows her every order.
@mel,

I'm so sorry that you've lost so many friends to COVID. It has been a tragedy for so many, but it has hit you particularly hard. And yes, it's not something to joke about. Most children know that when people are dying, jokes are not acceptable. You'd think that an adult would know better.

@Aquetaine,

Thank you for having a little "talk" with our resident "problem poster." Opus was once a good contributor to this blog, but something has happened to him. He seems to be getting a kick out of using derogatory words and statements just for spite and to rile us up. I just scroll on by when I see his posts now.

Hikari said…
@AnT,

If you assume Megs is mentally ill, even certifiable, and a narcissist...we know she creeps in and tries to copy her targets to take over some aspect of their lives . . .

....do you suppose she insisted on moving to faraway sleepy old retiree Montecito to try to not merely be near, but to actually life-stalk Oprah or Ellen and actually try to absorb take over their careers? (She failed to wedge into McPhee’s spot, and moved on?)


Absolutely, I believe Meg is delusional enough to try to Single White Female Oprah. She's probably harassing O. to get her (Megs) her own talk show. Can you imagine the aural torture of 60 minutes with Meg? She wouldn't book any guests, just talk about herself for the full hour. Never runs out of material.

I don't really get Oprah's game here. She's got everything to lose and nothing to gain by courting the Harkles. They are toxic. Depending on the fallout/results of this interview, I believe that will set the tone for their continued/future relationship. If CBS is pleased with the ratings and Mess & Haz can somehow be spun as 'wholesome young parents'--Archie must be shown in the flesh, I'm thinking.. Imperative--it could be a short-term win for Oprah. But Mess & her Handbag have no original content or follow-through. Without the luster of the Royal family, which is most definitely off them now, they are empty nothings. Oprah is a hard worker and she's built her empire from nothing--how long will she tolerate two freeloaders on her coattails?

Spotify has been Markled--its executives forced in front of a tribunal of shareholders to answer for apparently giving the Harkles an obscene amount of up-front money with no content to show for their investment. Wonder if they can and will sue for breach of contract and force the Harkles to return that money as the work they were paid for has yet to materialize. An interviewer as skillful as Oprah may be able to milk the situation for 90 minutes--with a ton of commercial breaks once, but H and M just don't have any substance for more than a one-and-done. If Megs starts or already has been harassing O and her people for more exposure, I think O is going to wise up real quick if she hasn't already, and pull a David Foster repudiating act. This will ignite Narc rage in Mess and all it will take is one snide/ungrateful comment from her to be blacklisted by O. Oprah could totally end her in the U.S., in show business terms. O's memory for feuds is elephantine. She would be an extremely powerful and ruthless enemy. She's a more powerful Narc than Meg and has infinitely more resources. Oprah could buy out the entire Royal family. She is probably as wealthy as the Queen. If Meg doesn't play nice with her, it could get unpleasant for Meg.

We shall see what we see.
jessica said…
Based on all the comments so far today, it seems we are coming to the conclusion that Meghan and Harry are unreliable, and Oprah is an aged has been who either will take complete advantage of the situation for her own gain, or mysteriously be Markled by the supreme Narc.

It’s battle of the Narcs.

I really have no idea how this ‘special’ can be effective or significant considering all the land mines in every direction that have been discussed. There is no clear ‘up’. There are many sideways, and down directions to this risky interview. It leads me to believe their teams are deluded and they are being poorly advised.

At the end of the day, in the midst of Covid I do think most Americans who hear of this special are going to think ‘And?’. To start, It’s tasteless.
Just as I was closing down for the night, I found this:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/american-idol-katharine-mcphee-baby-110643861.html

It's a boy.
JennS said…
**@Hikari and **@AnT

Megalo is delusional enough to think she can carry a talk show but can you just imagine the sight of her attempting to interview anyone?
Maybe her show could be billed as a comedy?!
🤣🤪😵🤪🤣

One thing Sam's book makes clear is that Meghan was taught from the very start of her life to be the absolute center of attention at all times. Her father created a vain, narcissistic and self-absorbed monster who can not stand for the spotlight to be on anyone else even for a brief amount of time!

Samantha mentions in her book how she won a role on the TV show, Matlock. While attempting to tell family and friends about her experiences on set, Meghan who was about 11 years old at the time became visibly upset at her sister receiving some attention, particularly since it involved acting. Sam states MM had started taking acting classes at this point.
Meghan's face-making and fidgeting forced Sam to wrap up her Matlock dicussion. And she appeased the spoiled brat by telling the group that MM would someday be a star! Samantha said these types of incidences happened regularly - everyone gave into Meghan when she was unhappy about something.

It seems MM has some very serious issues about being the center of attention. We've figured a big reason she left the RF so quickly was due to her secondary role in the firm. It must have really killed her to not be able to occupy the starring role in the monarchy!

So what would an interview led by MM look like on her new talk show "Meet Megalo in Montecito"?
Would she ask the questions of a guest and then answer them herself?
Maybe she would allow the guest to answer but the camera would have to remain on Megalo at all times.
Would she have various guests come on to interview HER?
Or would she just interview herself?
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JennS said…
**@Jessica

Battle of the Narcs - indeed!
The powers-that-be may not know which way they are going with the interview just yet themselves. Tone and direction could change via more editing before it airs.

I'm just hoping that adding content here on this blog helps to spread the word about the Harkle situation.
And I hope that the gray men, reporters, authors, investigators, the tabloids, the press, and Hot💋Rob stop by to read the blog!!
JennS said…
@Magatha
Love your latest Oprah-themed witties!
💓😍💓

Pantsface said…
As for the issue regarding Opus - I would just say, be kind, he/she may be from a different era, most of the terms he/she posts would have been normal back in the day, whether right or wrong today. Regardless, either scroll on by if it offends or challenge, choice is yours, I normally choose to scroll on by :)
madamelightfoot said…
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Hikari said…
@Madame/CookieShark as was (won't you consider going back to CS? It was so distinctive)

Re. "oppositional defiant disorder"

Otherwise known in the era when parents used to be in charge and not the kids as "Being a little $#%*". The entire toddlerhood stage (ages 18 months - 3) is a long extended ODD phase. It is necessary and normal in this stage of development to oppose parental authority and practice defiance/no. Normal for toddlers. Meghan is 40 years old and has never advanced beyond the defiant toddler's need for instant gratification at all times.

I also call ODD 'A failure of parenting' when it proceeds beyond early childhood. One must squelch this oppositional defiance for its own damn sake when a child is small or else you've got a grown adult woman pulling the crap we see before us today. It is easier in the short-term to give a demanding child everything she wants--but the steep price will be paid in the long term, as Thomas Markle now knows. He is paying for the sin of making his daughter into a demi-god. As are we all.

Beyond ODD, it's Narcissism and the rest of the dark triad--Machiavellianism, absence of empathy . . she's a real stewpot of personality disorders. She will not change . . she can't change by now--that irregular wiring is set for life. The only thing that will neutralize her is to stop feeding the beast with funding and attention. Sadly, we are nowhere near this yet.
Lady C tells in her latest video what is going on with PP in the hospital. I'd guessed a UTI because when I was taking care of my elderly mother, she got UTIs very often. Along with the possibility of sepsis that Lady C mentioned, mental confusion is another sign of a UTI in the elderly. Usually, antibiotics clear it up, but this sounds like it got out of hand with PP.
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Does anybody else see a change in Lady C lately? She seems to have lost some of her spark, and I detect a bit of sadness. Does anybody else see this?
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I think it's interesting that she says that Harry would be the same person (personality) if Diana hadn't died. She goes into when Harry was a child and he purposely ran his tricycle right into the shins of a man who was talking to Diana. Diana lightly scolded Harry, but did not punish him for causing extreme pain to another person. She goes on to say:

"Angry people (children)- people who think it's funny to cause adults pain, will usually grow up to cause adults pain."

The next question was about the money Harry got and put into Travelyst ( I still can't spell it). When he was questioned about it, because the money wasn't put into a charity, Harry got very uppity and in effect, raged that who should question HIM? He feels he is above suspicion. I certainly hope that the IRS and that the British tax system question it, too. She goes on to say that "this is where the Harkles will get into big trouble down the line."

When The Harkles give some money to a charity, Lady C says, it's a very small amount, but the charities are made to sign an NDA to never reveal how much they donated, or they will be sued by The Harkles.

The timing of the Oprah interview was deliberately done to coincide with Commonwealth Week. At that point, they still had their patronages, so they thought they could get away with it.

"They were wallowing like pigs in the mire about how wonderful they were." As soon as the BRF found out about the Oprah interview, they took immediate steps to "hose the pigs and the pigsty down and clear out the muck", so that "the pigs," H&M, wouldn't sully their patronages. The Oprah interview is the reason they lost their patronages.

Harry had been pushing for all sorts of agreements and resolutions knowing that, secretly, the Oprah interview was in the works. They want to upstage the Queen.

Lady C goes on from there, saying how deplorable they are, but everybody should hear it for themselves, as she pulls no punches on what she thinks of The Harkles.

"Meghan is like a cheap scrubber in a convent." LOL.


















punkinseed said…
"... Samantha said these types of incidences happened regularly - everyone gave into Meghan when she was unhappy about something.

It seems MM has some very serious issues about being the center of attention...."

Sam's experiences are well written and you know, Meg's behavior reminds me of the character "Anthony" in that Twilight Zone the Movie segment entitled: "It's a Good Life."
Please please read this summary at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone:_The_Movie and scroll to It's a Good Life!
Nobody will do anything to cross Anthony. If they do they are disappeared, killed, tortured, disfigured. Sound familiar?

"... Helen calls out to the girl, who is in a wheelchair and watching television, and gets no response. Anthony explains that Sara had been in an accident; Helen isn't able to see that the girl has no mouth."

Megs never learned to understand or respect boundaries. Do you think for one minute that a child would be exempt from her rage and rath? Imagine if baby threw up on her, or did any of the number of things babies do? I really hope that no baby or any child is in her care.

I blame Doria for this monster, along with Tom Markle. Tom Markle thought he was being a doting dad, so he gets a little bit of a pass, but Doria? Doria is the monster maker master mind. She has been left alone out of respect, but no, no more. She is not above reproach for her epic failure as a parent. Yes. We all are not perfect parents, but thankfully most of us don't deliberately raise our kids to be deviant, amoral sociopaths and teach them how to use and abuse others. We teach them to own their mistakes, learn from them, apologize, be humble and compassionate. Not Doria, Example of Doria's teachings: Don't do anything for anyone unless they do something for you. "Don't give away the milk for free..." Who does that??!!
Plus, what kind of a mom, or step mom excludes their husband's kids and does so blatantly in front of her own child? Cancel the step kids? Why? (see the 3 cherubs from Sam's book) What a hag.
And, this really burns me: Telling Tom to disown Sam and Tom Jr., or no invitation to her wedding? She's so very lucky I'm not a relative of hers. I'd be alll over the tabloids shining a light on allll of Meg's years of 'kindness' to family and friends.
Who in the world would want to be her friend? What kind of person is Jessica Mulroney or those sorority pals if they all know Meg's blackmailed her dad like that? What kind of a person is Scobie to condone such evil? How can any of them possibly justify supporting such evils, and imagine what they know that hasn't been exposed yet?
Narcissists are incapable of love or any form of empathy and kindness. Harry does not stand a chance. One can only hope that Oprah will see the light and use her powers for good. I have little hope though as Oprah is a narcissist herself. The upside to all of this, thin as it is, is that others are finally learning more about what narcissism is and how to spot it and RUN FAR as soon as possible! Don't even bother to pack! Do a full on Sleeping With the Enemy exit!
punkinseed said…
I can't figure out how to make the italics, and bold work.
Miggy said…
@punkinseed,

For italics: Do this but without the spaces, < i > at the start of a sentence and < / i > at the end of sentence.

For bold: Same principle < b >.................< / b >

I don't understand why Oprah is doing this, either. She doesn't need it, and she definitely doesn't need the bad press that is coming out against her. But Oprah is the head of the black community, almost a God. Here's a short clip of her Legends Ball from 11 years ago. Notice Tyler Perry in the front row, and look at all of the big names in the audience.

Of course, in this interview about the ball, Oprah gushes about how perfect her three-day party was. Maybe Oprah just likes to collect people who will worship at the feet of the greatest-Oprah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8YqOHlgJH4
JennS said…
Does anyone have any idea of how to check or find out WHEN the Harkles Spotify clip was taped? The one where she wears the Oscar de la Renta pear-print dress and doesn't appear to have much if any pregnant belly?

I ask because we have all been commenting on the fact that her belly seems to have disappeared....

I've noticed the DM stopped moderating that article and are allowing all types of comments from people about the absence of a belly - and there are a lot of them. It's interesting to note that they aren't protecting her because I remember when comments like that were NOT allowed. There are a lot of funny comments...folks wondering if her belly-pillow is designer brand etc.

I just scanned through the article again to see if there is a date for the video and I noticed this line in the article that may have been added as I don't remember it:
"It is unclear when the video was filmed."

Someone in the comment section said it was taped 7 weeks ago. They didn't say how they knew this.

I'm wondering if we could find out via the Instagram post that's in the article. But I can't get onto it as I am not on Instagram. Is there anyone else who can check it please?
@pantsface,

I somewhat agree with you about Opus. However, I am also of the older generation, and all of my friends have kept up to date on what's proper and what is not. Opus is the only man here in a crowd of women, and he has tried to diminish us in his posts. I will not give him a pass just due to age. He knows better than this, and we all know it. He is getting pleasure by doing this.

I, too, will scroll on by his posts as he's not worth trying to educate or is incapable of being educated. We've seen that as clear as day.
JennS said…
**madamelightfoot said...
@ JennS
I agree her need for attention is pathological. There is footage of Harry talking to a group of people and she literally steps in front of him and starts shaking hands with everyone. One of the guys in the group looks at the camera like "What the hell???"
It is my belief that we're not just dealing with a strange need for attention, but also a case of oppositional defiant disorder.
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**@madamelightfoot
Oh I remember that rude footage!
And I agree about the ODD!!!
The gray men and women and her RF staff must have just LOVED her. I imagine every time they told her various rules to follow she found a way to break at least some of them.
And now she is going to complain to the world that she was treated badly by the palace due to her race!
AND after living her life as white!
I think her tale of woe for the interview will focus on the palace staff/gray men as the perps. And the media of course!
Elsbeth1847 said…
"It’s battle of the Narcs."

I read that and mentally heard the opening bars of Dueling Banjos.
JennS said…
@punkinseed
I hear you! The mysterious Doria is definitely to blame as well. Sam talks in the book about how MM used to come back from staying with her mother with a different attitude. Sam felt Doria was turning Meghan against her. I think there are a lot of odd things about Doria as well as her relationship with Thomas. I was disappointed that Sam didn't clearly spell out some of them. It's like the world tiptoes around this woman.
I didn't finish the book yet - Sam mentions that Doria starts to go missing and she doesn't see her for long periods - does she ever hint at where she went to?

It appears that Thomas spoiled MM in the worst imaginable way and Doria threw in some kind of psychopathic training.
The one person I always wonder about as far as accepting and tolerating MM is her childhood bestie Ninaki Priddy. They were friends from around age 4 to early 30s. Ninaki spoke about some of the controlling behavior MM exhibited but yet they remained friends for so long.
xxxxx said…
FWIW---- a DM commenter also said Prince Philip is laid up with a UTI---urinary tract infection.
I'm listening to Bookworm 2's vlog. She says that after it was announced that they had lost their patronages, they issued a statement in People (of course) that they were backing a hunger project in Dominica as a part of a Commonwealth project.

According to Bookworm, it is not a Commonwealth or Commonwealth Trust project. It is a project of the World Health Central Kitchen, founded by chef Jose Andreas.
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Then, This is the headline that announced McPhee's baby's birth: "Meghan Markle's Best American Friend Catherine McPhee Gives Birth To A Baby Boy" Notice that MM comes before the mother who actually gave birth. She can't let anybody have the limelight, can she?

This reminds me of my narc. She was so pushy that her friends' (no longer) wedding photo in their living room is of the narc in the center, with the bride and groom on either side of her. Who does that?

She's the one who stripped to her green velvet bikini at the table during a formal dinner at my home.
@Jenn,

Sam never pins it down, but she does give clues. She mentions that Doria went to Humboldt County a lot. Humboldt County was the US weed growing center at that time, and full of hippies and self-styled gurus.

Now that weed is legal in CA, Humboldt County is still in the illegal growing trade on a huge scale. There is a documentary on Netflix about many murders that have happened there and how dangerous the area is, called Murder Mountain.
AnT said…
@JennS,

Re the date of the Spotify video: I think I’ve got it, by god!

A Vanity Fair online news blurb about their Spotify appearance (link below) makes it sound like it was done on !Monday February 22.....they word it as “they called into the event” — so, in her moment it happened —- from their Montecito living room. Ie, a live event call-in.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/02/meghan-and-harry-spotify-appearance


Next, I checked to see WHEN the Spotify Streaming Event took place. Answer (link below): Monday Feb 22, 2021, at 11 a.m.

https://newsroom.spotify.com/stream-on/


Conclusion.....yes, she was looking lots less pregnant in the video, one week after the Valentines Day photo drop.

So

* it is the usual Meghan fake pregnancy PR bump stunt, now you see it, now you don’t, or

* she used an old Australian trip photo as Celt Views said, or

* B/w photo was from fall 2020 and she already had the #2 baby after after a 5 or 6 month Magic Meghan pregnancy, and

* She then lost her plump shorter photo arms and plumper legs, got a newer nose, and was ready for Oprah and Spotify.

😎








Elsbeth1847 said…
Talking of People magazine, in the mail was an insert for a new publication People Royals from those knowledgeable "Royal Experts" at People. For a mere $20 you get a full year (4 issues) and only $30 for 2 years. A steal considering that a single issue is $12.99.

The photo was Catherine and had a headline title "Kate the Great".


I'm thinking about all the money they probably have sunk into that magazine and the magazine uses someone else, let alone someone who was mean to her for not offering a ride in a car for the teaser photo to sell the magazine. Tells you something, doesn't it?
AnT said…

* “so in THE moment it happened” ^^^^^
punkinseed said…
JennS, I wonder what you do too like the tip toeing around. I haven't read the book yet, just been reading excerpts.
My experience with Narcs, (my sister is one, and so was my deceased husband) it's a matter of being so worn down that it is easier and less fighting to just agree with them so they'll stfu. Also, my husband could be as nuts sometimes with episodes, but then afterwards would calm down a lot and actually be "normal" for long, long periods, so it was very hard for me to know if he was being Jekyll or Hyde. Of course, during this lifelong experience of chaos to order to chaos, I did not know what narcissism was, so always thought, oh, things are better now, he's fine. I thought an event episode was caused by him not taking his meds. I was in denial, convinced that his issues were biological, and Prozac really did make a difference.
Anyways, my point is, it's easy to fall into the calm trusting traps, not knowing one is actually being conned. Harry is at that stage, where he really believes the victim mantra she so cleverly uses to gaslight him and others. He really isn't bright enough, or interested enough in honestly listening to and finding out anything, including what a Narc. is. He has himself convinced that the haters are just making stuff up because ya know, racists. I doubt he will ever be capable of realizing just how evil Megs is unless he honestly studies and learns from the Mental Health forums they are so all about riding to their magic fame kingdom. Right now he's like the person who attends anger management because it's required, but has no intention of taking the steps to improve or learn how to control their anger. Just showing up because, ... court ordered.
I think Ninaka was used to Megs being a selfish pig and that was her normal. Plus, as HG Tudor says, the love bombing after a mean episode probably kept Ninaka from feeling hurt and pain for very long. Megs probably knew how to read and play Ninaka just like my husband could play me. After awhile I did learn how to cope with his ways. If you might notice with Megs, a typical narcissist who is cruel and very evil like Megs, will have a massive huge episode of raging rage event when some kind of change occurs in their lives that they can't control or take control of. I am certain that Megs had a huge massive break all the china rage when she was informed that the queen removed her and Haz from the royal charities and duties. She probably gnashed her teeth so much she has to get new veneers.
My sister is more of a soft Narc. most of the time. She's always got to be first, the best, make it allll about herself and seldom if ever show empathy. For example, I could be sick with something and she'll be there to care for me, but not until after she has told me all about how much worse her illness was than mine.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Pantsface said...
As for the issue regarding Opus - I would just say, be kind, he/she may be from a different era, most of the terms he/she posts would have been normal back in the day, whether right or wrong today. Regardless, either scroll on by if it offends or challenge, choice is yours, I normally choose to scroll on by :)


I don't believe in quashing people's freedom of speech or expression even if it hurts some feels. I'm old enough and secure enough to shrug and move on.

I think the interminable COVID lockdowns (for the UK, anyway, as well as parts of the US) is badly affecting people's moods and mental health. I'm inclined to give everybody in a locked-down area a pass. They have a right to be grumpy.
Ziggy said…
@JennS said "I just scanned through the article again to see if there is a date for the video and I noticed this line in the article that may have been added as I don't remember it:
'It is unclear when the video was filmed.'"

I can confirm this line was in there the day the article was posted, as it was the only reason I didn't go "HUH?" at the absence of a belly.
SwampWoman said…
Hikari said: I also call ODD 'A failure of parenting' when it proceeds beyond early childhood. One must squelch this oppositional defiance for its own damn sake when a child is small or else you've got a grown adult woman pulling the crap we see before us today. It is easier in the short-term to give a demanding child everything she wants--but the steep price will be paid in the long term, as Thomas Markle now knows. He is paying for the sin of making his daughter into a demi-god. As are we all.

Thank you for saying this. Oddly enough, I had nieces and nephews with that 'disorder' that were perfectly well behaved at my house because I didn't tolerate children acting like wild dingoes. If children wanted to scream and pitch a fit, fine. I wasn't going to listen to it. They could go into their room, sit on a chair behind the closed door and scream all they wanted. When they were capable of acting like human beings and not screeching monkeys, they could come out again.

What is funny was when relatives (not MY blood) told me that they were incapable of 'making' their child go to bed at a reasonable hour, I asked them what they were going to do when their little angel was 15 and climbing out the window at night? If they are incapable of parenting a child when they are three, heaven help them when the child is in puberty.
punkinseed said…
Hikari and Swampy, Yes! Very well put. My mom had a small 6 kid limit home daycare. If we had a kid who was being ODD, no problem. They'd be put in the "Crying Room" and could not come out until they stopped with the pitch a fake fit wingdings and were welcome to come out if they behaved and join the rest of the kids for fun and play. The room was not locked or anything and had a few toys and a bed they could lay on.
There's a lot of information out there about the "Little Emperors" in China as a result/curse of their one child policy. A lot of foreign english language teachers are saying after leaving China how rotten the kids are because the parents have spoiled them so much that a whole generation of mostly boys have created a mass amount of selfish self serving narcissists. Oh boy. What a disaster. And it's all because, like Doria and Tom Markle, they put Doria's only child on such a high princess pedestal that she has zero respect for anyone or anything. I don't think Doria heard the word NO much from her mom, either. But if a kid isn't told no and given limits when they are little, how can they possibly understand refusal and NO as adults? Megs honestly believe the world revolves around her. Then she wonders why she's being rejected far and wide? Ugh.
Just seen on TV news that the `car-port Karaoke', or what ever it's called has been aired in US.

Has H got his Union card or is he another blackleg? (or is that another term we're not allowed to use anymore? I assume the term comes from coal mining - a miner who is dirty from work by comparison with those on strike?

They'll soon be at the level of the Rector of Stiffkey who

` was convicted of immorality by a church court and defrocked. Davidson strongly protested his innocence and to raise funds for his reinstatement campaign he exhibited himself in a barrel on the Blackpool seafront. He performed in other sideshows of a similar nature, and died after being attacked by a lion in whose cage he was appearing in a seaside spectacular.'
(Wikipedia - my mother remembered the case and used it as a cautionary tale).
PS Stiffkey is a parish in north Norfolk (East Anglia - the bulge on the east side of England) - like many Norfolk place-names it is not necessarily pronounced as spelled.

I learnt it as `Stooky'; Wikipedia says `Stewky' or `Stiff-key'- take you choice.
jessica said…
If the clip with Corden Harry proclaims, “it’s what any husband or father would do.” He is validating his actions by his ‘roles’ to Meghan. Not to who he is individually. He’s sorely mistaken at the the role of what a good father and husband would do. This is Meghan beating him over the head about his parents Diana and Charles. ‘Your dad didn’t do enough.’

Question time for Harry, ‘what is your definition of a good husband and father?’ ‘What do they do?’
Sandie said…
Gosh, what a contrast ... service to others:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9301373/Queen-intervenes-vaccine-rollout-encourage-Britons-jabbed.html


It is all about me ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9302731/Prince-Harry-raps-Fresh-Prince-Bel-Air-theme-tune-Late-Late-James-Corden.html

He really has been brainwashed. Walking away does not stop the tabloids, and all this 'speaking out' has not helped them at all.

There are some posts on LSA giving all the details of the Corden tour of HW with Harry. It is very sad and it sounds as if they have a very boring life!

Oh, and there is a different version of how they met and 'fell in love', and he does seem to push the 'I am royal' angle.
Unknown said…
An Afternoon with Prince Harry & James Corden

https://youtu.be/7oxlCKMlpZw
Miz Malaprop said…
Prince Harry has said he and Meghan Markle 'never walked away' from the Royal family and insisted he did 'what any husband or father would do'.

Oh no, now comes the pre-interview cameo of Harry's version of their love story. Is this yet another jab at William? Or perhaps Prince Philip? Did he manage to wear shoes or do they infringe on his freedom?

Does he declare from the top of Corden's stunt bus that he couldn't continue his duty to the Queen without the woman he loves .... getting to wear whatever tiara she wanted?

They have managed to reach new levels of out-of-touch that could possibly make the Queen love hip comparatively. I leave it to others with stronger stomachs to report back how convincingly he sells his romance.
A new, non-Royal title for them- Duke and Duchess of Stiffkey/Stewky?Stooky?

Yes, I thought HM's comment about thinking of others, not oneself, had a real point to it - not that they'd think it applies them.
jessica said…
Omg if you watch the top of the bus, Harry explains that they ‘just stepped back’ and waves it off ‘whatever they need to do over their they need to do, but I live a life of public service, that’s what my life is’. ‘The press was toxic and destroying my mental health.’ There’s Harry out there selling Meghan’s narrative. Jump monkey jump!!

Takes zero responsibility for quitting his job. Framing himself as a victim of the ‘institution.’
Takes zero responsibility for their antics creating the press interest.
The RF already covered off that there was truth to the Press so they had nothing to rebuttal.

In denial.

If you watch the clip on mute where Corden picks up Harry and Corden decides to FaceTime Meghan, watch Harry’s face and body language. He doesn’t want to look at her at all!!



jessica said…
I don’t see how they are going to keep their titles by claiming the environment was toxic and the BRF unsupportive.
jessica said…
Claiming he doesn’t carry cash because he’s a Royal. Yeah that’s super relatable to US people. If he didn’t need cash ever in the US, his house would be worth a lot more than £11mm with a £9mm mortgage. That life is over Harry. No freebies for you. What an absurd thing to say.

I can’t believe how much they are determined to malign the RF. Grown adults who choose to go be happier elsewhere just move house and get on with it. They don’t bring up the past ad nauseam. They clearly think people care way more than they do. Thou doth protest too much!

Why all the explaining? Do they think that maybe their actions don’t match their words? Liars over explain/ rewrite/ live in the past. That’s all I know.

Harry- it’s not the press causing you mental health problems. It’s your wife.
jessica said…
Two new things about Archie;

Harry claims

1) he’s hilarious (really...)
2) the Queen bought Archie a waffle maker for Christmas

What in the actual
jessica said…
Cordens actually low key taking a piss out of Harry at times. When talking about buying the house where they filmed the Fresh Prince of Bellaire- he says he needs Harry’s phone to call the ‘decision maker’ :O. So this whole thing is to make a mockery of Harry. Doesn’t Harry realize it?!!
Crumpet said…
@jessica,

A mockery of Hairy.

He gets that everyday from the Smegs, so probably does not realize it or just used to it. The article could have said Archie's first word was waffle and the Queen sent him a crocodile. It is all just Haz word salad.
jessica said…
Crumpet,

Good call! Looks like Meghan took advantage of the fact Harry’s never had to think for himself.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger jessica said...
Claiming he doesn’t carry cash because he’s a Royal. Yeah that’s super relatable to US people. If he didn’t need cash ever in the US, his house would be worth a lot more than £11mm with a £9mm mortgage. That life is over Harry. No freebies for you. What an absurd thing to say.

I can’t believe how much they are determined to malign the RF. Grown adults who choose to go be happier elsewhere just move house and get on with it. They don’t bring up the past ad nauseam. They clearly think people care way more than they do. Thou doth protest too much!


I should try that at various retail establishments. Heh. No, better not! "And that will be $49.25." "I'm royalty and I don't carry cash." "WHO CARES? Use your plastic." "HELLO, royalty, don't carry that either." "Get the eff out of my store, crazy lady."
Maneki Neko said…
@Jessica

Don't forget that Archie's first word was 'crocodile', according to Megsy. Oh, and he has 'the most amazing personality'.

"Corden pointed out: 'Sorry, you're glossing over the fact that I cannot for the life of me imagine the Queen ordering a waffle maker to be sent to Santa Barbara. I can't get my head around...'

Harry responded: 'I don't even know how to comment on that. Archie wakes up in the morning and literally just goes: Waffle? Done.'"

The Queen and Philip have seen Archie 'running around' in California on zoom.

Spiffing! Absolutely spiffing!

`Crocodile'???

Sure it wasn't `sossidges' (sausages)?

See videos of talking dog from `That's Life' - I wonder of they had to clutch his larynx to get the word out?

My guess would be that he takes after his `Mom' and it was `Iwannit!'
Crumpet said…
@WBBM,

If Master Archie took after his 'Mom' his first word would be "me".

He left the Royal family for this--a spot on a cheesy nighttime talk show, could not even do it by himself, had to dial up the wife. I am sure HazMegs will add this to their list of acting credits on imdb.
TheGrangle said…
According to Harry, Archies' first word was 'crocodile'. Not dada, not mama, crocodile. Of course.

The Times is reporting that Soho House is preparing to float on Wall Street with an estimated valuation of 3bn.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/soho-house-ready-to-join-wall-street-club-with-3bn-listing-6nqf33k9q
jessica said…
WBBM,

!!!! Probably! Sausages. A one year old cannot say crocodile. He maybe said Croc. But how many kids first words aren’t mum/mom or dad. Really.

Maneki,

Brilliant. Missed that! Good. Glad he’s calling out their absurd BS. ‘He wakes up and goes, waffle.’ Yeah, right.
Crumpet said…
@TheGrangle,

Soho.

That will be where HazMat will make their millions. Wonder if Oprah will buy some stock. SoHo perfect for them. I am sure they will be on the board or perhaps made up positions with the company.
jessica said…
Oh I see the clip! Harry explains that the Queen asked what Archie wanted for Christmas, and Meghan replied, “A waffle maker.” So the Queen sent a waffle maker. For Meghan.

I am so glad Corden is sitting there uncomfortable and questioning all the BS Harry is telling him.
SwampWoman said…
Whoops, back at Jessica, it's sometime before 5 a.m. so I'm a little groggy despite the coffee I'm mainlining.

You know, if my in laws wanted to provide me with free housing, food, a few million yearly for an allowance and I decided to go my separate way because I wanted to travel around in an old school bus built into a recreational vehicle, I can't see me complaining loudly to anybody that would listen about how badly I'd been treated. After all, it WAS my decision. If I treasured my freedom in driving from place to place in my pimped out school bus RV while I was grasping onto charities for cash and this was my plan, why complain?

When my school bus RV breaks down beside the road and the in laws say "You can come back. We have a few spare castles lying around that you can live in and enough money that you would never have to worry about mundane things like the electric bill, buying clothing from a thrift store or groceries." Would a sane person say "Thanks, mom and dad. We do so appreciate how you provided this huge safety net for us!" or "LOOK at that repulsive family, they are INCREDIBLY RACIST!"

I think they were told to shape up or ship out, and they elected to ship out. They want to blame everybody else for THEIR bad conduct. Racism, my butt. She was the one going about performing in blackface.
Maneki Neko said…
Apparently, Philip is in hospital for an infection in his joint - said joint being unspecified. 'He is expected to remain at hospital for the start of the weekend' (DM).
SwampWoman said…
essica said...
Oh I see the clip! Harry explains that the Queen asked what Archie wanted for Christmas, and Meghan replied, “A waffle maker.” So the Queen sent a waffle maker. For Meghan.

I am so glad Corden is sitting there uncomfortable and questioning all the BS Harry is telling him.


Riiight. Basically Harry just said that they can afford a $4,000 dress for Megs but not a $30.00 waffle iron for making breakfast for their son.
TheGrangle said…
@crumpet, I'd be surprised if they weren't investing but it would be extremely risky to be on the board or named. Any involvement would be hidden in my opinion.

@jessica I think Harry got muddled. Archie may be a gifted and unusually perceptive child and what he actually said was "Croc of waffle' !!
SwampWoman said…
Show of hands from those that think that Meghan actually cooks breakfast for anybody?
On the other hand, a child's first utterance, as heard by H as being `crocodile`, strongly suggests to me that it was said by an older child, who has a soft-toy crocodile.

Moreover, it's a child who does not recognise the H$Ms as `Da-da' and `Mo-ma'.

Has Harry condemned them out of his own mouth by inadvertently letting the cat out of the bag?
jessica said…
Typical of Meghan to take the gift for herself and claim it’s in Archie’s interest while also being able to tell him as he grows up that his relatives never sent toys or cared. Good thing this interview is out there, so if Archie exists one day he can piece the insanity together.

All these random strange tidbits about prodigy Archie are boggling, though. Everyone knows it’s really bad for the child’s well-being for the parents to be on a public forum talking about his intimate details. He did not consent to this. Not to mention preaching about the routine of the kid in the home? Now he can get kidnapped.

If Archie can talk and say three or four word sentences with multiple syllables, then the Queen surely could have asked Archie what he wanted for Christmas.

I don’t buy that they have an Archie. I don’t think Corden buys it either. His reaction to Crocodile says it all. And he has kids and hasn’t moved 5 times in their first 2 years.
jessica said…
WBBM, brilliant! Archie is perceived to be way older than he is supposed to be anyway. Why did Harry bring up ‘he’s just over a year and a half’, Corden didn’t ask that.

SwampWoman, and why would thin/ health conscious Meghan be making calorie dense waffles of all things?
jessica said…
Meghan’s going to be pissed at Harry. He’s proven to be a very bad liar. His response to Corden questioning the Waffle Maker Gift from The Queen says it all. ‘I don’t have a comment for that.’ Instead he could have laughed to make Corden comfortable and stated, ‘I know! It’s sounds silly doesn’t it, but it was so thoughtful of her to ask and Meghan likes to arrange beautiful breakfasts for the family. Archie loves having a waffle everyday.’

The ‘no comment/ Archie says waffle’ didn’t help.
SwampWoman said…
I'm surprised that they didn't say that "Archie" wanted a wood-fired pizza oven near his playhouse or a gas grill for when the electricity was out. Those would also be good choices for a toddler gift (y'all are going to have to imagine the giant eye roll here).

Silly me, I would think in terms of a swing or a toddler roller coaster or a small outdoor trampoline with a safety net.
lizzie said…
@jessica wrote:

"Oh I see the clip! Harry explains that the Queen asked what Archie wanted for Christmas, and Meghan replied, “A waffle maker.” So the Queen sent a waffle maker. For Meghan."

And

"Typical of Meghan to take the gift for herself and claim it’s in Archie’s interest while also being able to tell him as he grows up that his relatives never sent toys or cared. Good thing this interview is out there, so if Archie exists one day he can piece the insanity together."

Yep.

And didn't they claim they weren't giving Archie much either? For some supposedly woke/enlightened reason? Couldn't risk someone else appearing giving when they weren't.

I hope Archie doesn't exist. What a f***ed up childhood if he does.
jessica said…
Lizzie! You’re right!! I read that too, that Archie wouldn’t be getting toys for Christmas. Oh my god! So this is more of that narrative that the kid can’t have anything?!
In Meghan’s head, Archie has to ‘earn it.’ And he won’t be getting any money of hers! He has Royal in-laws and is a Royal himself who will get Harry’s inheritance. That must be her justification for her mistreatment of the invisible child. Selfish vile woman.

I got pretty down reading all of this about Archie. If he exits, I feel so incredible pained for him. His narcissistic mother is already taking credit for his health and development, calling him a prodigy, and basically creating more interest in him and a narrative about him that will forever haunt him. It is so incredibly sad. He won’t ever be his own person, and his parents will blame the press and say ‘don’t believe what you read, they make it all up anyway.’ To confuse the kid. It’s so incredibly disgusting.

#saveArchie
SwampWoman said…
Jessica said: SwampWoman, and why would thin/ health conscious Meghan be making calorie dense waffles of all things?

She's busy with her oat milk lattes because apparently dairy is unhealthy. Maybe they're dairy free, gluten free, egg free, and high fiber waffles. Oat milk and sawdust are probably low calorie plus they'll be regular. They could put California fresh fruit picked by illegals on top.
jessica said…
Bringing receipts!

Duck Duck Rabbit Reading:


The film, shot by Harry in California last weekend and posted on the #SAVEWITHSTORIES Instagram channel this morning, shows Archie perched on his mother’s lap and turning the pages of Duck! Rabbit! as she reads. The Duchess laughs as Archie’s attention momentarily wanders and he throws another book to the floor. The Duke is heard cheering at the end of the story. Archie responds by saying, ‘Da, da, da.

He could barely say “ Da Da’’ and did say “Da Da” on the film. And they want us to believe now that he said Crocodile, first, before his first birthday.

See, the lies aren’t working anymore. Cant rewrite this much history and get away with it.
lizzie said…
@Jessica,

Yes, poor Archie. I can believe his first words weren't mama or dada because if he exists, i don't think they spend much time with him. At least M didn't seem to have by the time of the Duck Rabbit film. But crocodile? Yeah, sure. They also claimed he imitated the sounds of wild animals he heard in SA. A 4 1/2 month old doesn't do that. And what noisy wild animals were hanging out near his hotels anyway? Crocodiles? (I know some live there in rivers but near Arch?)


@Maneki Neko wrote:

"Apparently, Philip is in hospital for an infection in his joint - said joint being unspecified. 'He is expected to remain at hospital for the start of the weekend' (DM)."

I hope it's not his replaced hip that's infected. That can happen even years after surgery. And it's my understanding those kinds of infections are hard to cure without surgery. I hope I'm wrong.
Sandie said…
@charade
Many thanks for the link to the video.

In the interview part on the bus, none of what Harry says makes sense to me. I wonder if it makes sense to him?

Of course Archie's first word was not crocodile! But, if the nanny is the primary caregiver for him, perhaps that is the first word they heard him say. They walk into the nursery where nanny is reading to Archie and nanny is reading a book about a crocodile with him. One can imagine the rest. Since his first recognizable word in the baby babbling was not dada or mama, can we assume that they do not spend much time with him?

Hey Harry, how is the Corden appearance about service?

I think Corden did manage to show some of the best of Harry (along with some snark). Is it my imagination, or is the only time he almost withdraws/blanks out is in that facetime with Meghan?
Miggy said…
At roughly 10:00 mins into the video they drive past a huge cemetery! Please tell me it isn't the same one they pulled their Remembrance Day stunt in? 😒


JennS said…
Oh Wow!
I'm not really sure what to say about that!
I kept waiting for them to bust out in song. I thought it was a Karaoke bus ride?🤣

The army obstacle course was a weird activity to do for an LA tour.
At least we know Harry seems fit.

They should have planned their convo beforehand a bit better. Some of it was lame and Harry using the bathroom was weird.

Harry grew up with the intense glare and interest of the royal reporters/UK press. I think what really got to him was all the negative responses from the public - the comment sections. I don't know how he thinks that will stop. The UK press will continue to write about them no matter where they live and people will continue to snark until he gets rid of her.

Attention demanding Megalo must have been throwing crockery at the thought that she wasn't included on the bus ride. I did notice that she managed to frame herself on the phone screen so that she filled it completely and all her hair fit in.

Will watch it again later to analyze what he said about his reasons for leaving etc.
jessica said…
Sandie, watch the FaceTime part again on mute (I accidentally did this the first time and was wondering who Harry was so defiant/angry at).

He basically acts like he wants to turn and run away as soon as Corden gets her on the line. He physically distances himself!
Acquitaine said…
@JennS: He doesn't think he walked away. He reinterates this point in different ways. As far as his reasoning, he was merely stepping back as if he took a sabbatical and everything else is others forcing it on him, but not for anything he has done.

He also demonstrates that he continues not to understand the difference between granny and The Queen or the role she and the family play.

He views the entire things as family and doesn't understand the public role at all. All his decisions make sense and might even illicit some sympathy if you view it as family.

However, he has behaved poorly to family which negates his reasoning.

He fails twice. Family and public life.

Also, the ultimate delusion = he thinks Meghan is committed to public service and that's what she signed up for.

As for her cameo, god forbid Harry shows up in public anywhere without her. Note the filters.
Maneki Neko said…
(Magatha has no fear of competition with this!)

The story about waffles
Is something that baffles
On and on Megsy waffles

Archie can say 'crocodile'
We say 'Meg, you're vile'
All you can spew is bile
Have been checking out YankeeWally on Twitter - it's got some gems, many credited reposts.

First, the funny bit:

For a song aboard the bus, take this suggestion from one poster:

`There's no service like self-service,
Like no service I know...'

--------------------

But a much darker note in this, from DuchessofCornwallsreadingroom:

"People only betray their country for three reasons," he said, quietly, seriously, cueing her next question.

" And what are they?"

"Money, blackmail and revenge" (from Wm Boyd's spy novel `Restless')


---------------

Finally, and painfully, someone else contributed the thought that they are out to destroy Charles' & William's hopes of the throne, out of Harry's need for revenge.

And somewhere it was hinted that the Palace considers that MM is far more dangerous than Di ever was. I think it may have been in connection with Lady C.


The Curse of Diana -to me, it looks like a rerun of `Les Rois Maudits', if anyone remembers that series.
Yes, he wants the Crown for himself.
That's why he's so desperate to prove he hasn't abandoned `Service'.
Mischief Girl said…
So Hapless is trying to spin a story that Archie's first word was "crocodile"? A multi-syllabic word, with each syllable a different sound?

Riiiiight.

And how damning that the child's first word was "crocodile" and not a sobriquet for a loved and needed caregiver, such as Mama or Papa?

Is H so stupid he doesn't realize how awful his statement is?
Mischief Girl said…
I want to tell the Harkles, if you're going to do something, do it well. So if you're going to lie, BECOME BETTER LIARS!!!

They are so transparently bad at it.
SwampWoman said…
WildBoarBattle-maid, if I were in the line of succession, I would not want the job for I know my limitations. It would appear that Harry has no insight as to his limitations (which are many).
jessica said…
He admits this is his first venture out in LA. He says, due to lockdown.

He’s been an at home Hostage zooming for Meghan the entire year. She has him convinced it’s a RF continuation of ‘service’ and that nothing has changed and she will continue to support him and his duty. Doesn’t matter that it is deluded. She knows he’s an idiot.

They think they can turn public opinion and be worshipped in the US. Lofty.
jessica said…
It’s amazing that Meghan had to be apart of Harry’s first appearance and activity away from her in L.A! No wonder he was angry and defiant (body language) when Corden called her. He likes attention and freedom as much as Megs and there she was stealing his thunder. It was odd that she asked ‘Haz’ how his tour of LA was going. As if she was playing mummy.

I liked that he took his anger out on Corden and called him the worst tour guide. He was so angry Meghan. Also, that Corden made fun of the nickname ‘haz’ (Corden is quite undercutting and mean/rude to all of his guests so I don’t enjoy him at all anyway- Bieber handled him really well in their carpool karaoke segment.)
lizzie said…
Jessica wrote:

"He admits this is his first venture out in LA. He says, due to lockdown."

How can that be true? What about the food delivery in West Hollywood wearing a bandana? The planting flowers for Diana at the school? The awful cemetery visit? The baby charity visit where they swanned in for pictures? The Homeboys kitchen visit? The dental/fertility clinic visit? The walking of dogs in a park that ended with M carrying Guy and cupping his genitals?
jessica said…
lizzie, spot on!

Maybe it’s subconscious!! First time let out ‘WITHOUT Grip’!
Unknown said…
@Sandie You're always more than welcome :)


My thoughts on "An Afternoon with Prince Harry & James Corden":

While I know many of you here don't like James, I have a couple of friends who have been in his orbit and they have only said nice things about him. I don't watch him daily but I am pretty familiar with him.

This should be obvious but I definitely don't think James and Harry are friends. I've seen James be more fun and get along so much better with other people. I felt no warmth and a lot of distance between these two.

There felt like a lot of lying was going on in the interview. When James probed Harry about "crocodile" being Archie's first word, he changed the subject to the waffle-maker story. I could be wrong but everything I have read has suggested the BRF and HMTQ in particular exchange personalized, often funny gifts to one another. Gifting a waffle-maker doesn't sound right. James didn't seem to believe it either.

What was the whole point of the Fresh Prince of BelAir house detour? Is it coincidence that the house was put on AirBnB just a few months ago? Also, the Rache cameo felt forced and boy was she ready with the big hair, big smile, and filters.

Harry was quite patronizing with James throughout. I get sarcasm and dry humor but it felt off. Harry had almost no graciousness with hIs host. There were several incidents I can point out but James actually remarked on Harry's condescension in the obstacle field TWICE.

"You don't have to talk to me like a dog."

"I feel like I'm Archie at a playdate the way you're talking to me."
xxxxx said…
Another thought about the amazing, nearly 100 years old Prince Philip, with UTI he is probably getting the most advanced antibiotic treatments, that skirt the border of dangerous at his age. So this definitely has to monitored closely in a hospital setting. Hoping and betting PP will make it past his 100th birthday. And he will! England demands it for some light during their dreary lockdowns.
Mischief Girl said…
Given the timing of this piece coming out, with Oprah's interview hot on its heels, made me wonder if celebrities have their PR people PAY James Corden to be on his Carpool Karaoke?

He makes some $$ and they get to look good.

It'd be a good gig for Corden. My gut says the Harkles' PR people sought him out, not the other way around.
Mel said…
Think this was H's version of Oprah?

Mm gets Oprah, he does James Corden? They are soooo weird.
Unknown said…
@Mischief Girl I think the same way you do. The whole interview felt very contrived. Usually similar skits with James are quite fun.

There were at least a couple of plugs for Netflix. The ride on the bus was a setup for ridiculous stories about Haz to make him look like the "People's Prince." The visit to the Fresh Prince of BelAir felt like a plug for the house and a way to force a cameo of Rache. The obstacle course felt like a let's make everyone see "Harry is Hot" and is a Military Man.

Rache seems to have sucked up all the charm Harry could occasionally dole out before.
luxem said…
"Haz" really can't be let off the leash, can he? Just from reading the comments, it sounds like he contradicted known information many times. In fact, M told us in the SA interview she calls Harry "H", so when did "Haz" start?

My daughter's first word after mama/dada was "bird" and that was without the "d" sound. THat story is so laughable, Scobie will have write a story "explaining" what Haz meant.

I can see the QUeen sending a waffle maker simply because M asked for it and the Queen doesn't want to be accused down the road of "ignoring her request". At Archie's age, "animal" pancakes are more fun, but whatever.

M filtered face is so obvious - she really has turned into a kardashian.
NeutralObserver said…
Ok, I haven't read all of the other comments, but am popping in to say something after going to the DM to see what has happened to Lady Gaga's dogs, & seeing the spread on James Corden & Hairy. Since Corden is a CBS employee & the Oprah interview is also on CBS, you have to feel that this interview has been in the works for some time. You have to wonder if the alleged Zoom meetings with the royals will be included, & if they were engineered to add more interest to O's broadcast. Wonder what the royals are thinking now.

I also wonder how Charles feels about Harry's tacit approval of The Crown. He practically says it's the truth. I didn't watch the most recent seasons, because I don't find Olivia Colman & Tobias Menzies convincing in their roles, but my impression is that the series makes Charles look terrible. I will also say that from what I have seen of the actress who plays Diana, the show is a rare case of real people being more attractive than the actors who play them. So Harry is okaying all of that? You can tell who his real masters are. (Agree with posters who say his 'Archie' chatter isn't very convincing.)

As for Megs' appearance via phone. So, are they really living together? What's with the hair? Why does she persist with the Morticia Addams, Lily Munster getup. It's so ageing & unbecoming. In many photos of Megs you can easily the line where her wavy natural hair meets her wig or extensions. Some western states have recently passed something called 'The Crown' law, which forbids employers to ask black employees to have hairstyles which require them to use unhealthy & damaging hair products. Naturally wavy hair can be stunning, & would probably take years off of Megs' real appearance.

We quibble over the petty things that the Harkles get up to, but what I find most objectionable about them is the cruelty with which they have treated both of their families. I just don't understand it.
xxxxx said…
https://tinyurl.com/2ntehhuu
This must be the kind waffle maker (actually called waffle iron) Harry was talking about. Because Harry talks about Meghan (or Doria or whomever) flipping it. And you do flip it so that each side of the waffle gets browned a bit. Aluminum that you use on the stove. And better than the electric ones. Used to have this exact one. Of course TQ would buy it new for them.

I thought Harry with James Corden went very well. Doing this outdoors helped to keep it light fun. This will create more interest in O with Megs. So far so good for The M/H spring charm offensive. Sorry to be contra-Nutty here. Oh.....and the youtube comments were all positive.
Two YouTube comments>>>>
"Great to see Prince Harry so happy. He fully deserves it. Brilliant."
and
"How can Meghan look so good on ZOOM/FACETIME!"


-----Megs harm offensive coming up with Oprah? We shall see. Perhaps Megs + her PR wanted Harry to come off very nice here so that Megs can stick it to the RF meanies with Oprah.
Unknown said…
@luxem The reason 'Just H' is now 'Haz' is because 'Haz' is a British nickname. Rache needs to make sure we never forget Harry is a British Prince. He doesn't carry money so HM has to gift him a waffle-maker.

Was I the only one who noticed he was trying to equate topping a waffle with yogurt-jam to the clotted cream-jam debate Brits have for scones? He said something like - I don't know if I'm doing it right.


@Neutral Observer I don't think Harry was saying "The Crown" is accurate. He was just plugging Netflix again that time. He did it a few times in the interview. He was saying he prefers that fiction to the British news. Why he feels so differently is because Netflix which produces "The Crown" pays him whereas the UK newspapers don't. So his allegiances are plain for the eye to see.
KCM1212 said…
jessica said…
"Omg if you watch the top of the bus, Harry explains that they ‘just stepped back’ and waves it off ‘whatever they need to do over their they need to do, but I live a life of public service, that’s what my life is’. ‘The press was toxic and destroying my mental health.’ There’s Harry out there selling Meghan’s narrative. Jump monkey jump!!"

So what is odd....they taped this on Feb 7. The announcement that inspired such rage about service was on the 19th or 20th. I wonder if Harry already knew, and the party line was in place two weeks before the official announcement that the titles were going.

Although the whole segment feels like another dreary "let me tell my side" yet again explanation. Maybe it was an advertisement for an audience of one -the Queen.
jessica said…
xxxxx,

I checked the profiles of the early sycophantic commenters on YouTube. Bots. Meghan and Harry are paying to
Control their online image and YouTube chatter. I looked a couple hours later and there are more and more negative comments.

I don’t think it was a good interview. Harry seems really out of touch and his disdain for commoner Corden was apparent. I think that’s why Corden struggled with this interview, Harry’s a whining a*hole and Corden is like ‘really?’. Corden has been in professional media for a long time, and in America no less. He knew immediately that Americans don’t need ‘crocodile’ elitism, and unreal pandering like the ‘waffle maker from Motel 6’. (Seriously all I could think of were those cheap American hotels/motels where you build your own crappy breakfast and there are always children smashed up against the counter bee-lining for the waffle maker, syrup all over the counter).

The can keep attempting the Charm Offensive, but Harry has too many excuses and weights on his shoulders. He’s not charming, he’s quite smug, he has very little interests (service, army, Archie’s achievements) and seems rather one dimensional. He can say what he wants about BRF, but William and Kate come off as authentic and varied in their approach and interests. We can tell being a Royal isnt *all* that they do.

Granted he did say his handler finally let him out for the day on their own, so maybe it will take time for him to re-establish his independent identity, but with Megs involved I highly doubt it.

Just wait till Harry gets the invites and Meghan doesn’t, and Harry meets genuine California American women. He hasn’t seen nothing yet, and I think he will be the one to leave Meghan. He’s just been isolated in hell with her since they married.
NeutralObserver said…
@Charade, please reread my comment. I said 'tacit approval,' & mentioned Harry's 'real masters,' ie, Netflix. The casual American viewer who doesn't pay attention to Britain, the RF, or care anything about them, will take Harry's comment as saying, yes, that's what my family's life is really like. My family & my life in Britain were a drag, so now I'm happy in LA.

Also, if the alleged Zoom calls are included in Oprah's broadcast, I wonder how the Queen or any of her courtiers will feel about an actual image of her being broadcast to amuse Americans. My guess is, the interview will be edited in a way which is unflattering to the RF.
Nelo said…
The US media is lapping this whole James Corden -Harry thing so well. Lol. By always emphasising how bad the UK media is, the Sussexes have successfully blackmailed the US media into giving them favorable coverage without asking questions so that they will not be accused of being evil.
Unknown said…
@NeutralObserver I definitely agree with you that Americans will take what Harry says and think The Crown is truthful and accurate.

I just took Harry's comments differently. He was very muddled when he discussed The Crown and IMO indicated he has not seen the show. He simply wanted to plug the Crown, Netflix, and wanted to transition to talk about the fictions of the British press.
xxxxx said…
@Jessica

Two youTube comments>>>>>>


Aunty Abbie
25 seconds ago
I'm all set for 2021, this made my year!! Welcome HRH & HRH, Prince Harry and Meghan.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤


Alice Ayres
27 seconds ago
No. Fkn. Way. 2 of my favorite guys! I wanted to mary Harry when I was little �� (and I still wouldn't think twice about destroying Meghan's world �� Harry has no say)

________________________


Hi J
I refreshed the H/Corden video and sorted by newest comments. I saw only one negative one. The sugars are out full force today. Lets see if the calculated M/H PR dynamic will be to charm with James Corden, then harm the RF with Orpah
Acquitaine said…
@NeutralObserver said…

"Some western states have recently passed something called 'The Crown' law, which forbids employers to ask black employees to have hairstyles which require them to use unhealthy & damaging hair products. Naturally wavy hair can be stunning, & would probably take years off of Megs' real appearance."

What country are you from?

I find the conversation about hair fascinating. Such different approaches depending upon country.

One of the African countries i lived in as a child had a wacky 'no artificial alterations of hair until 15yrs old' law added to the books in the 1970s because the womanising president was upset at chatting up women who wore wigs or permed their hair.

I'm not sure if the law is as strictly observed now as it was then, but a longlasting culture developed such that you can always spot the 15yr old kids because more often than not, their 15th birthday present is to alter their hair chemically in some way.

They soon get over it, but it's become a right of passage.

My impression from friends i've maintained in that country is that there is no political conversation about hair. Everyone enjoys it regardless of processes, wigs or extensions. Natural and unnatural. Traditional styles and western styles.

Only the 15yr olds stand out because they go crazy overboard at the freedom to style their hair in unnatural ways and colours.
Acquitaine said…
@charade: Re your thoughts on the interview.

Don't forget that Harry and Meghan are practised, shameless liars - see engagement interview and more. They have no problem telling lies in public even if the lies are verifiable.
The top news websites in the US are:
1. Yahoo News
- nothing on the front page
- nothing on the news page
- 8th article down on the entertainment page
- Not trending
Very short article. Harry likes the Crown and Blames the British media.

2. NBC news
- 3rd article on landing page
A bit longer, NBC delivers facts of what is happening. Balanced, typical news summary. Not sugary.

3. CBS news
- Nothing
- One article on The Queen encouraging jabs

Now, for other typical American news sites

CNN
-Nothing
entertainment section- old article on roof donation
top story gaga

USAToday
- several stories down is 'Prince Harry 'toxic' British media destroyed my mental health'
NeutralObserver said…
@Charade, I think you're just a bit more tolerant of Hairy than I am. I agree that Harry probably fibbed when he said he's watched the Crown. He was just being weasly at the expense of his family. From what I've read, some were horrified at the portrayal of Charles. The still photos of the little actress who portrays Diana always make her look like a frightened mouse. Apparently more of the series is being planned, so Harry must pay his pound of flesh.

@Acquitaine, I would have thought that the dated idioms I'm prone to indicate that I'm an elderly American, which I've freely indicated in past posts. The
'Crown' law I referred to has been adopted in a few states in the Far West of the USA, as the link below explains. 'Crown,' I assume, refers to hair, as in 'her crowning glory,' not to any rank or status.

https://www.hcn.org/articles/south-justice-western-lawmakers-lead-a-movement-to-protect-natural-hair
Hikari said…
Just watched the Corden - Harry travesty and almost hurled my breakfast. It was even somewhat worse than I was anticipating--they could have titled it "Peeing With the Plebs"??? I'm sure the stop-over at the "Prince of Bel-Air" house/toilet break was rehearsed. The whole thing was scripted (very badly).

Harry looked pretty fit to do the obstacle course, and this is the most we have heard him talking for ages. But it's so obvious how painfully devoid of any natural charm or personality he is. He's a sulky, bitter little sh*# who tosses in an insincere twitchy smile once in a while on cue. Mostly it's just glowering. It amazes me how easily he tosses off his pre-packaged lies. "Crocodile" . . give me a break. And Archie, then 19 months old answered "Waffle maker" to a direct question about what he wanted from Queen Granny? Is he suggesting the Queen sent him a kitchen appliance all the way from Britain (incompatible with American current?) Or did she have an equerry place an order with Bed Bath & Beyond? Did Great-gran throw in a crate of avocadoes too?

James Corden has children, so he knows damn well that a baby Archie's age cannot produce 'crocodile' or ask for waffle makers as gifts. His contempt at these porkers was not disguised.

It's unclear whether Harry has ever encountered a waffle, actually. I guess you could glop yogurt on top of a waffle, if you wanted to make it a soggy mess. Waffles are not anything like scones that take cream, but they seem interchangeable to Harry. I'm sure waffles exist in England but not like they do in America. We've got entire restaurant chains devoted to pancakes and waffles, and you can order these breakfast foods at any time of the day or night, if you're in an all-night diner. In England, Harry would've eaten pancakes perhaps once a year on Shrove Tuesday (Pancake Day) and waffles, perhaps never. English breakfasts seem to lean to hearty savory fare, and not sweet pastries and bready things like American breakfasts.

The really sickie-making parts were Harry's insistence that his L.A. life wasn't going to be that much different from his 'Royal' life--that public service has always been his #1 priority and that wasn't going to change. Meanwhile the bus was rolling past a cemetery that looked identical to the Remembrance Day cosplay--Yet Harry said that he hadn't been out in L.A. 'at all'.

The Late Late Show is on CBS, the same network airing Oprah's interview. Did Netflix permit this 'loan out' in exchange for plugs on both programs? It's a sure bet that the courtiers are going to keep both of these nuggets from Philip. He'd stroke out if he watched any of it.
So if the Oprah interview is using clips from the zoom calls with BRF, isn't that violating the copyright of the BRF (assuming they placed the call TO The Harkles)???

Kettle meet pot I say!
NeutralObserver said…
@Hikari, LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Even I, who had to ditch appliances I bought in the UK when I returned to the US, forgot about the current thing. The Queen would probably never gift a grandchild living abroad something not made in the UK. Are we to believe she sent the amazing cooking tot an American, or European, cooking gizmo?
NeutralObserver said…
@MustySyphone, If it's not violating copyright, it's certainly violating their privacy. I believe in most states in the US, it's illegal to tape a phone call without the consent of the person being taped. Both parties have to be aware they're being taped. Don't know what California law would be, as I assume California law would be applicable in this case.
Unknown said…
California is a two-party consent state. Both parties have to know they are being recorded. I don't know how international communications are affected though.
Acquitaine said…
@NeutralObserver said…

I didn't want to assume your nationality, and your description of a Crown law confused me into thinking that you are from a commonwealth country.

Thought i'd ask to be sure.

Sconesandcream said…
Corden interview was so boring and just a big plug for Netflix. Cringe and Ginge really have nothing interesting to offer. Again, we get Meg can apparently whip up amazing meals, Archie is advanced and the British press are mean. The toilet stop was just cringy, Meg was completely over made up for a 5 sec cameo and the waffle talk was bizarre. Confirmation that Haz was love bombed at the start of their relationship. Not being able to go anywhere or be with friends would be a ripe environment for a narc like MM.No wonder William told him to slow down.
The only new thing i got out of this was that Harry is match fit. I see Dancing with the Stars or Survivor ex-royal in his future.
Acquitaine said…
Regardless of how this interview works, it contains an amazing admission from Harry that confirms our suspicions that they were thrown out!!

He didn't walk away, he stepped back he says in this interview filmed before The Queen's public statement.

Did he film this before or after news broke about Oprah and The Queen's public statement?

If yes, he unexpectedly told the truth while trying to play the victim.

If no, he is playing the victim while assuming that he will keep his roles and patronages.

Either way he is trying to justify himself.
Mel said…
--Yet Harry said that he hadn't been out in L.A. 'at all'.
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Yet there was a whole People article about how Mm was showing H around LA.

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-life-la-everything-we-know/

In addition to appearing on virtual calls with charities, the parents hopped in their car on Easter (and again on April 15 and 17) to distribute meals to people living with critical illness through Project Angel Food

"What Meghan said is she wanted to show Harry Los Angeles through the eyes of philanthropy. It’s just beautiful,” Richard Ayoub, Project Angel Food’s executive director, told PEOPLE. 

They've actually been out quite a bit. Dinner with David Foster and wife. Delivered meals. Helped pack food. Gardening with toddlers (who gave no consent to have their privacy invaded). Out with teens who were working on mental health. Going to the cemetery. Walking the dogs. Went to Stanford. The visit with Gloria Steinham. Baby2Baby event.
Hikari said…
xxxx,

I thought Harry with James Corden went very well. Doing this outdoors helped to keep it light fun.

I'm sure that's the effect they were going for, but I have to say that I did not glean 'light fun' from that outing. It started out well, but then Harry began talking and flapping his hands about. Watching an entire tea cart smash was some good fun, yeah. And watching Harry barge into a private home so he could use the head? Hilarious! (smh)

(the startled looking homeowner had been forewarned and well-compensated, I'm sure . .but--)

Harry has gone from being a Prince of the United Kingdom to being a performing monkey on American chat telly. Pee humor--that's his life now. I can't see that as 'going well' really, except as a pee-related entendre. Imagine what the Queen must think . . her grandson is pitching up at random houses in Beverly Hills asking to be let in for a wee.

The dynamic with Corden was prickly throughout, well-salted with that British passive-aggressive needling at which both of these tossers excel. I only enjoy James Corden when he's singing, for which he has real talent. His interview style and demeanor otherwise puts me in mind of a chubby male Ellen D. Snarky and snide, couched as 'humor' at the expense of the guests. If he got a bit of his own back from 'Haz', it was well-deserved. That said, I had some sympathy for JC this time round because spending a whole afternoon with Harry had to have been some bloody work. Him hosting Harry solo was obviously a brokered package deal with CBS and Oprah's (mostly) solo sit-down with MM. (Who looked like an anime avatar on the phone with all those filters on. Meg is determined to convince everyone she's still 25. Can't wait to see which face she will trot out for Oprah's chat.

This will create more interest in O with Megs. So far so good for The M/H spring charm offensive.

Apart from being on the same network, I have a feeling that a chat show geared to youth culture with celebrities airing at 12:30 in the morning is going to attract an entirely different audience than Oprah's earlier slot. I think it's a bit early to call 'so far so good' for the 'spring charm offensive' (I'm with you on 'offensive', for sure). We haven't seen the other half yet. As for Harry's portion of the charm offensive, he looked pretty pissed off for a lot of it. After 9 minutes his stockpile of prepared chatter had been exhausted so they had to devote the other half of the segment to the part where H got to scale ropes and crawl through mud. That part he can handle.

Sorry to be contra-Nutty here. Oh.....and the youtube comments were all positive.

No apologies required. It's the minority opinion but you are entitled to have it. I also noticed the universal positivity of the YT comments. Are you suggesting then that YT users are infallible, like the Pope? Any chance some of them can be paid bots? Yeah, the Sussex Squad was out in force. Some of these people who are gushing over Harry's banter on top of a bus are part of the same group that have plotted openly to kill the Cambridge children, so I think we've got to bear that in mind. Millions of children around the world believe Santa Claus is a real person. They are sincere, but sincerity alone does not mean their version of reality is 'true', as such. If Harry is happy to be demoted to the level of a boy bander on Corden's show--albeit a far less personable and untalented version--it's his life . .what's left of it.


-----Megs harm offensive coming up with Oprah?

Hmm . . Freudian slip? :p
Unknown said…
@NeutralObserver I agree with your assessment of Harry. I just attribute his actions to messiness and obliviousness.

I haven't watched The Crown myself so had no idea it was that awful to Charles. Watching the interview, I was appalled by what I was hearing from Harry regarding The Crown. He is a terrible communicator and an awful liar. The whole exchange was extremely messy and I saw it as him not recognizing he was throwing his family under the bus. All he cared about was bringing the topic to fiction and the fictions that hurt him. Who cares if there are fictions that hurt my family. That has been the pattern with him. Always out of touch, self-serving, and reckless. Whether intentional or not, that's hard for any family member to forgive or move on from.
Harry & Meghan were made for each other. Perfect match, really. Two of a kind. What a jerk. Can't wait for the Oprah interview to come out where she spends 90 minutes moaning about how hard her life is. Archie sounds like he's 6 years old at this point, maybe even 7.
Hikari said…
Forgot to add, it occurred to me as they were rolling through the streets of L.A. (Looked like only the posh portions though . . the camera crew didn't catch anybody defecating in the street in front of their tent city), how very easy it would have been for anyone to have taken potshots at our boys on the bus. Security-wise, there's a very good reason Hazza was not allowed to go touring on an open air bus back when he was in the Royal fold.
Unknown said…
@Acquitaine The Sussexes are such awful liars aren't they? I always try to go into things with an open mind but never forget there are patterns to pay attention to.

Was the proof in the pudding when he said: 'they' will make decisions over there but I will continue to do public service?

So the decision was 'theirs' to throw the Sussexes out! Satisfying to know.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9304161/Oprahs-interview-Harry-Meghan-best-done.html

They are really building up this interview.
Snippet:
"Oprah Winfrey says her interview with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle is 'the best she has ever done', her best friend Gayle King revealed in a thinly-veiled attempt to claw back public interest in the sit-down amid intense coverage of the Duke's appearance on James Corden's Late Late Show.

According to Gayle, 66, who is an anchor for CBS, the network that broadcasts Corden's show, and will air Oprah's primetime interview with Meghan and Harry next month, made the comments on This Morning on Friday, while reporting on the Duke of Sussex's Late Late Show segment.

After detailing the many revelations shared during the interview with Corden - which took place in Los Angeles before Oprah's sit-down with Meghan, 39, and Harry, 36, was filmed - Gayle reminded viewers about her friend's own chat with the Sussexes, saying: 'We want to remind you that Harry and Meghan are talking to Oprah."
Mel said…
Pee humor--that's his life now.
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Man, just what is their obsession with peeing??? Mm peeing on the bushes, him hitting up a random house to pee?


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(Who looked like an anime avatar on the phone with all those filters on. Meg is determined to convince everyone she's still 25. Can't wait to see which face she will trot out for Oprah's chat.
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She looked like one of those aging women on a soft porn site who takes phone calls trying to portray that they're a young hot thing.

That hair is something.
@Mel, she is resembling Real Housewife of Atlanta Kim Zolciak. Known for her wigs(compare with MM's lemon dress hair) and loads of plastic surgery. They look like they could be sisters at this point.
jessica said…
Now that we’ve sifted through the James Corden segment I still arrive at the same conclusion:

These two wannabe celebrities are plain BORING. The only thing they have to go on is the ‘we hated the fictional news’ that they caused by so many actions (registering Sussex Royal, throwing hot tea, not showing Archificial - to name three). That’s it. They didn’t like the news. Meghan’s one and only money maker since 2012- her persona. Just tell it like it is. The news was bad for business.

Ok? Next! What else do these two have that make them at all interesting? I didn’t hear or see much on the Bus. Corden seemed confused and disinterested and disrespected. Harry just pranced into that home as if they should be grateful he was there (loved how the Woman kept saying ‘a real prince is in here’ over and over. Lol! She was explaining it to her bewildered son. ‘Yes we will let in a stranger because I guess he’s a prince?’ Lol.

Anyway, back to my point. There is nothing interesting about Meghan, and now after this interview even Harry. They must just sit around all day in that garden taking photos. I actually think Corden was happy to get any segment out of this. He didn’t seem to like Harry, at all.

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