Supposedly Oprah's interview with the Sussexes is already recorded, which is too bad, because I have plenty of questions I would have suggested.
Oprah will no doubt offer her standard questions - Are you living your best life? - plus some setups on the social justice theme she and the Sussexes are so fond of.
Do you think your negative media coverage in the UK was motivated by racism?
Tell us about your long-term commitment to environmentalism/Grenfell victims/menstrual health/COVID victims/Black History Month/Mayhew Dogs/Girls in South Africa/SmartWorks fashion/Indigenous Women in Canada.
Also, I hear you really like Africa and have visited twice. Is that part of your anti-racism initiative, and how will you continue to propel your efforts in Africa while living in a big house in California?
Oprah has her own initiative in Africa, a school for girls near Johannesberg that has been plagued by abuse allegations, so she is comfortable with the idea of assisting Africa and Africans from the comfort of her own homes in California and Hawaii.
A few abstract questions
I also expect a few big, abstract puffball questions from Oprah.
What does privacy mean to you? What is the biggest misunderstanding about you? What type of mother do you want to be? What makes you sad? Whom do you trust?
Since Oprah has a rather mixed relationship with her own family - Oprah's mother spent so much money in one of Milwaukee's ritziest boutiques that Oprah actually instructed the proprietor to stop selling to her - we can also expect some sympathy about Meghan's strange family situation.
What I would do
The difficult questions
Mid-interview is the time for difficult questions. I like to slowly slide into them, building on the rapport that I've built up in the interview so far, sometimes even using the subject's own language. You've said that service is universal, but you didn't want to serve on the Royal Family's terms, did you? Didn't you know what those terms were before you were married?
You want to ask difficult questions, but not in a harsh manner that will cause your subject to stand up and walk out on you, or your audience to conclude that you are bullying the subject and turn agains you out of sympathy.
If you have something negative to say, it's always useful to attribute to those thoughts to others, perhaps abstract figures like "some people" or "your critics".
Some people say that you seem to be dominating your husband, that you've taken him away from his friends, his family, his country, and his job - isolated him - and that he looks lost and unhappy. What would you say to those people?
The toughest question
The toughest question represents the high point of the interview, the point at which your subject is hopefully too committed to walk out, and the point at which you can answer the one question everyone really wants to know.
I'd ease into this if I were the one interviewing Meghan.
Privacy is important to you, isn't it? Especially when it concerns the people you love. (Give her a chance to nod or respond here, perhaps use up the paragraphs about privacy she has practiced in advance).
Was it because of this need for privacy that there were so many unusual aspects to the birth of your first child? You concealed the due date, you concealed the place and time of birth, you kept the attending doctors secret, the name of the godparents are secret, and you were very slow to share images of the child. Why?
At this point, Meghan would probably stumble a bit, perhaps try to repeat her practiced paragraph about privacy, maybe smile and giggle in an attempt to be charming.
I would then go in for the kill.
Is the reason there's so much secrecy because your child was born to a surrogate, and you do not currently have custody of the child?
The long silence
Not expecting this question, Meg would presumably not know what to say. Biting her lip, perhaps.
This is when a good journalist uses silence as a tool.
Just wait and sit until the subject comes up with some answer, any answer.
Back in journalism school, we used to study how Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes did this. The toughest question, silence, tight focus on the subject's face to catch any microexpressions. Blinking, touching nose, looking away.
Meg might say, "We just don't feel the public has a right to this child," but her tone and timbre will be revealing.
Following the tough question
The surest sign of a nonprofessional reporter is someone who doesn't use a juicy answer to a previous question to build the follow-up question.
(Celebrity non-journalist interviewers are notorious for this: they have prewritten questions 1-5, and darned if prewritten question 4 isn't going to follow prewritten question 3, even if the answer to Question 3 is a murder confession).
In this case, I'd probably say, If the public doesn't have a right to this child, why is he in line for the British throne? Shouldn't you remove him from the line of succession? Part of being a British Royal is being visible to the British public."
"We don't want to make decisions for him," Meg might say. "We don't think it's up to us to renounce his heritage."
But how much British heritage will he have? I would ask. He lives in the US. How can he possibly understand British culture and British values? How could he ever lead the British people if called upon? He will be, quite frankly, a foreigner.
More silence, until she comes up with some answer, any answer.
Cooling down
After a run of tense questions, it's a good idea to calm down a bit with some nice positive talk that will put your subject at ease.
Tell me more about Archie. Is he more like you, or more like his father? Is he looking forward to being a big brother? What are your hopes and dreams for your children?
If you have a very long interview, you can go through several rounds of this, tense to relaxed, tense to relaxed.
But you always want to be able to end on relaxed if you can, so you can at least have the fiction that you and your subject ended as friends. (You never know when you might need that subject's co-operation on something else in the future.)
In this case, Harry will come in for the final half hour, and we'll get a little more social justice chatter plus some softball questions like What do you love about each other?
It'll all be fascinating.
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If he sets foot in Britain, could he be greeted by chaps with a pair of handcuffs or a straitjacket?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/prince-harry-crown-damian-lewis-090928982.html
Harry’s attitude is the issue.
The past is in the past, why are you still so worked up and unhappy?
Cali not working out being a hostage in Montecito? No?
I haven't watched The Crown myself so had no idea it was that awful to Charles. Watching the interview, I was appalled by what I was hearing from Harry regarding The Crown. He is a terrible communicator and an awful liar. The whole exchange was extremely messy and I saw it as him not recognizing he was throwing his family under the bus. All he cared about was bringing the topic to fiction and the fictions that hurt him. Who cares if there are fictions that hurt my family. That has been the pattern with him. Always out of touch, self-serving, and reckless. Whether intentional or not, that's hard for any family member to forgive or move on from.
The bit of the Corden interview that was jammed in about "Harry's thoughts on The Crown"--which it was glaringly obvious he'd never seen any of, but was just parroting from talking points--felt so inorganic. Shameless Netflix plug on CBS--as a tradeoff for having access to Netflix's 'stars' (koff)? Or because maybe Netflix and CBS are owned by the same multimedia conglomerate? I don't know this for sure. Back in the old studio days, rival studios would broker deals to loan out movie stars from one stable to another. Not that the individuals and networks we are talking about are in any way comparable to the Golden Age of Hollywood. It's pretty instructive, isn't it that the entire interview with Harry was framed in terms of his 'old' life?--He 'was never allowed to sightsee before'; some lame blather about family history and the Crown, then how he thinks his L.A. life is going to look much the same as his old one because he's just so dedicated to public service? Does Meg still have him brainwashed at this point that America, and in particular left-coast Woke America gives a toss about a privileged unemployed foreign prince living in a mansion popping up for photo ops to 'disadvantaged' as a 'career'?
Harry is a sad, sad excuse for a man. He is a straw in the wind, just blowing whichever way the wind goes. No substance. He does nothing and stands for nothing, apart from his desire to be famous for just being Harry. The Royal family has been dealing with this evil little waster for 35 years, but they could keep a lid on him, until Meghan. I wonder when it dawned on William that his only brother was a malignant half-wit that he was going to be saddled with for life? He still is, but at a distance now. Maybe that's better? Imagine having to be at close range with Harry--the grimaces and the snotty remarks, the whining and the toddler tantrums . . just praying he doesn't screw up again. Then Haz found his female half. The tension must have been unbearable. Catherine and William looked nothing but grim when they had to be near the Toxic Toddler Twosome . . those Commonwealth day services were a real treat for the Cambridges. Standing in such proximity to two scheming ingrates who want them dead, along with all their children--what a trial it must have been.
Until the most recent fourth season, it had garnered nearly universally glowing reviews. The acting and production design are extraordinary. The controversy erupted in the 4th season with the advent of Diana and a decidedly pro-Diana slant on events. It depicts a number of Diana's binge/purge episodes and imagines a number of extremely tense and volatile marital fights between her and Charles. Ironically, Prince Charles as essayed by Josh O'Connor, emerged as the sympathetic hero of Season 3, with episodes delving into his time at university, his love of the theatre, his sojourn in Wales, his triumphant investiture and his early romance with Camilla. Of course poetic license is taken. Conversations are imagined/invented. It does loosely follow the historical and cultural/societal timeline of Elizabeth's reign. The first two seasons in particular were outstanding, dramatizing the years 1947 - 1963 of ER's reign. Claire Foy is amazing as the young Queen, with many touching scenes shared with Jared Harris as her father. Peter Morgan illuminates many events of British history which as an American I was only vaguely familiar with, if at all, like the Coronation, the Suez crisis, Winston Churchill's last tenure as PM, the Great Smog of 1953, the Queen's commitment to the Commonwealth, the Profumo scandal, Aberfan . . and salient events in the lives of both the young Prince Philip and Prince Charles.
The seasons which follow hit some snags, but that bit of history, being closer in time to us, lacks the same sort of nostalgic/romantic appeal. I think Mr. Morgan, who has written or co-written every episode thinks of himself as a monarchist, loyal to the Queen (He wrote 'The Queen' which won an Oscar for Helen Mirren, and was a sympathetic portrayal of that most difficult week in 1997 of the Queen's personal life and reign. Though I imagine what she's going through now with Haz and Mess might feel somewhat worse. It's certainly dragging on longer.) These ugly things happened in this family, among these people who are not, after all, gods, but humans with clay feet like the rest of us. The first two seasons are sublime, though and I'd recommend them highly, even if you skipped the rest.
If Harry watched those, he might learn a little more respect for his grandparents. Elizabeth was so very young when she became Queen. By the time she was a year older than Harry's present age, she was a mother of four and had been reigning for 12 years. Harry is a little toerag with no concept of history or duty. It's like he was born with half a brain. He exhibited angry, spoiled, some might say sociopathic and entitled attitudes from early childhood, just like Meghan. They are two bad seeds who got together through MM's relentless scheming. I predict that we aren't going to see anything more impressive or worthwhile from this pair than we've already seen. They are on the downhill skid, and Oprah is going to be the pinnacle of their exposure. I'd lay bets that Netflix is trying to divest themselves of this poor decision, and Spotify, too.
I can see how people who haven't followed the whole saga could have a positive impression of him.
Now, reviewing from someone who has been following it all - obviously well planned & set up. I'd love to see the out takes. The stop at the Fresh Prince of Bel Air house was so obviously planned etc. Ha Ha - see i'm laughing at how funny it was. M all made up with her wig being so surprised. Calling him Haz now.
The Spartan set up. That was to tag him for military stuff.
Of course, Archies first word was Crocodile? 3 syllbables !!! That was ridiculous. Bringing up about zooming with grandparents. Gift for Archie for Xmas is waffle maker? Right.
What else can i say? I was rolling my eyes, shaking my head. Makes me wonder what the O special is going to be. Another love fest?
@NeutralObserver I definitely agree with you that Americans will take what Harry says and think The Crown is truthful and accurate.
I just took Harry's comments differently. He was very muddled when he discussed The Crown and IMO indicated he has not seen the show. He simply wanted to plug the Crown, Netflix, and wanted to transition to talk about the fictions of the British press.
Most of us aren't believing anything coming through the MSM is anything except propaganda.
Wowza.
Jessica - great catch about DaDa in the book video and then to claim it was crocodile. What a porker.
Charade is right about the idea of teasing fun gifts at Christmas within the BRF. (Diana was a tad mortified when she gave thoughtful items like cashmere sweaters only to be handed a gag gift in return).
So I started thinking about the waffle maker idea. Kids can become enamoured with all kinds of mechanical things or develope a "lovie" item they hold and treasure. But, imo, it is things they love touching, holding and playing with. Would anyone give one of these to a kid to let them play with it to start with - knowing that it would likely get dropped, kind of tossed/thrown around which could render it unusable?
And, I started thinking: Where would he have been exposed to waffles? When? It would have been one of the prior houses and then, would he be old enough to remember it enough to ask for it at this point in time? Somehow I'm doubting the HAMS frequent a Waffle House or IHOP.
Maybe this is some sort of preventative explanation as they show him articulating the word on tape for the O show? (besides the usual my kids are maturing way faster than yours are to K).
Agreed. William was instrumental in getting the Sussexes removed from KP grounds, and something tells me that it was because there had been incidents with Meghan possibly stalking Kate and the children, trying to get photos, or brazenly calling Kate up and demanding to be included in various outings. Maybe she and Harry even showed up knocking on the doors of KP #1, if such casualness would even be permitted. William had to be worried about her planting bugs or cameras . . or engaging one of the children in conversation and twisting some innocent remark made by one of them into evidence of some marital or family scandal. In the early days of the Sussex marriage, when they were still at NottCott (allegedly) there was a steady drip of stories about George 'being a holy terror in the mornings' and similar. The Rose Hanbury rumors didn't start up until the Sussexes had been kicked out of KP.
I don't know if William is familiar with the American film "Fatal Attraction" . . he was only 6 years old when it was made, but perhaps he got a distinct 'bunny boiler' vibe from Meghan. "I won't be ignored, William . . ." Meg tries but she cannot hide the pathology in her eyes.
For all that the RF praised Meg in the early days and said how great it was going to be to have her in the family, it's so notable that Meghan was never, ever pictured out and about in London on casual outings, with or without Catherine or any of the other ladies. We see Kate out frequently, with kids and solo--out at Sainsbury's, fun fairs, walks in the park. Sophie Wessex and the York girls, the Phillipses and the Tindalls . . they get together for things not the stiff ceremony of the balcony. Never with Harry and Meghan though. No day trips with any of the girls for her, ever. This is conveniently spun as 'racism' in her narrative--but if she were unbearable to be around--dangerous even, she wouldn't have been invited.
And it's not just Meghan. Where are ANY pictures featuring Uncle Harry with any of William's children from 2013 on? He was an uncle of two before Meg came into his life, but William seems to have drawn an absolute 'no fly zone' between Harry and his kids. What would make him regard the children's uncle in such an untrustworthy manner? I'm pretty sure the Cambridge kids have had some good times with their other uncle, James Middleton. Harry was on a collision course with his family long before Meg turned up. Sad--but they have to be on some level relieved that he's not around.
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I think making excuses for deliberate name calling is counter productive. School children know there are consequences for rude behavior. @Acquitaine said what needed to be said in a precise way. I don't think she said anything to violate anybody's freedom of speech. I say cut her some slack. Her content contribution is outstanding...
It should not be a matter of right or left just plain decency and decorum.
Also, can we please keep politically motivated conspiracy theories out of the blog?
On a lighter note:
Mr. Markle is certainly oat milking The Crown series for all he can, even hinting towards his choice of actor to portray him. I suggest Netflix save money by using a computer generated version of Howdie Doodie...
Good day Nutties. I'm off to toss out my waffle iron.
I'm not suggesting that the royals commissioned the movie, but they definitely took advantage of it's sympathetic portrayal to completely whitewash what really happened that week. This film was the start of a stellar period for the family PR-wise which lasted until Andrew, Harry and Meghan screwed up.
The fiction that she was a concerned grandmother needing to care for her grandsons is the accepted narrative now.
The fact that her mishandling of the affair and her undisguised contempt for Diana, dead or alive, which spoke to why she mishandled the affair is swept under the rug.
Ditto the fact that her mishandling of the affair gave republicans a realistic chance at ending the monsrchy in that week if they'd pushed for it.
Let's not discuss the fact that the public was so pissed off at her that they were ready to storm the gates of BP pitchforks at the ready metaphorically speaking.
Let's not talk about the last 2 reasons above being the primary influences on the decision to parade the boys, and everyone knew it back in 1997.
Let's not talk about the family's public image being so bad that it had a direct influence on Edward's choice of rank when he wed and the decision to mothball his children's HRH Prince titles and styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGkdcpTY1QI
Of course Archie’s first word was
crocodile
I believe it!
All he sees his mum do is cry big tears, so.....
🐊🐊🐊🐊🐊🐊🐊🐊🐊😎
If a military person can't take criticism then goodness help the rest of us!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9303995/Social-media-users-Prince-Harrys-claim-Archies-word.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnchmielewski/2021/02/26/how-much-are-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-worth-surprisingly-not-that-much/
The answer is No. He’s not old enough to remember daily and request/demand foods. My kid is the same age. He says a few words, throws food he doesn’t want, plays with toy cars and trucks, watches Baby shows/Mickey mouse, wanders around, likes to look at animal pop up books and mimic their noises (loves animal noises and knows most of them! Not so much the animal words lol). He will stare and babble as if trying to hold a conversation with me for a while back and forth several times a day. Working with him on the verbiage but NOT expecting an expert linguist at this age at all. At this age they can *understand most everything they are told, though, and respond in action or nodding.
Would my child request waffles at 18 months old in November/ December? And eat them everyday? NO CHANCE LOL! And my kid is super cute (I’m partial) and I think he’s great. I learned years ago it’s poor for development to put crazy high achievement expectations on kids. Meghan should know this. Maybe the nannies got fired over telling her this.
He may have learned that WAFFL is the word for breakfast. If they are feeding him waffles everyday because he is saying the word waffle they are complete idiots. The kid is hungry and that might be his word for it. That’s all.
I do wonder now, did Meghan tell Harry to say that outrageous claim on purpose? For click bait? For the fact that no one would buy it and stir up more conversation/controversy? The Waffle thing was a clear ‘Meghan cooks roast chickens and waffles’ chef extraordinaire blurb. It was weird and out of place. The Queen and Waffle. No, just no. Corden couldn’t even contain himself with that one lol.
Did Meghan disarm him less out of concern for our feathered and furry friends and more from a fear he might use the weapons against her?
I'm thinking that MM probably bought some toaster waffles at some point, and then just threw some yogurt and fruit on top. Believe it or not, there are pages of "recipes" on Google for waffles with yogurt and fruit, although the "recipe" is rather self-explanatory.
So, Harry got a frozen waffle once, and, with waffles being so American, they decided that a good story would be about Archie and a waffle maker?
It was obviously MM who wanted the waffle maker. Little Archie lost out on a great present from Gan-Gan, and now all he has to snuggle up with is a waffle maker?
The crocodile story is just nonsense, and even Corden didn't believe it. And actually going into the Bel Air house to pee is the least royal thing I've ever seen. Between MM doing her business in the African bush and Harry doing his business in the Fresh Prince house, I think these two are overly fixated on peeing and letting the world know about it. At what age do children get over their fascination with peeing?
I can't believe that I'm talking about royalty, waffles and peeing in one post.
Ohhhh, the waffle thing just made me remember something my narc did. Her daughter was getting her first apartment, and of, course, wanted gifts to help set up the household. But she wanted all of the fun stuff, crystal stemware, good china, sterling flatware, etc. Yes, there was a list.
This little creature was a spoiled brat, getting married at 19 to a guy she thought was wealthy, a marriage set up by her mother to get more money. The girl was raised to be married off to a rich guy, but had none of the background to actually land one, so she ended up with this guy.
Well, I smelled something fishy going on with my narc, so I told my husband about how my father had set up a toolbox for me to take to college, and how I was still using the things in that toolbox. It was a thoughtful and loving gift, and I'm still using some of them 40 years later. So, we decided to get her practical things like can openers, cooking utensils, measuring cups, etc.
Now, here's the kicker. Turns out that my narc, the girl's mother, had just decided to divorce her husband (without telling anybody) and she took all of the gifts for her daughter for her own apartment when she split from her husband. It was all a ruse to get nice things from us by saying they were for her daughter. Obviously, the mother was not pleased with the practical gifts that we bought. She already had all of those things. She was going for the big buck gifts, and her daughter was in on the scam because she was going to live with her mother after the divorce.
Interesting thing is that both the mother and the daughter both reminded me of MM and Doria. This kid even had her own Christmas celebration with all of the parents, family and friends invited to shower the little princess with masses of gifts. Literally every year we had to go to Kelsey's Christmas party. No gifts allowed for anybody else.
So sorry to hear about your dad. I will send some positive energy your way. BTW my last post was absolutely not directed at you.
Hugs!
@jessica - I think you are right about the word waffle being a word for breakfast.
Did we determine if the Spotify spot was pre-taped or they joined live? I know someone mentioned Scobie taking credit for it, but wasn't sure. I think it makes more sense that Marcus shot the video because Archie had to be "in house" for the Oprah team. Marcus already had experience with the Duck/Rabbit video, so he knew what to do! Lol!
I think I read M's old car was post-university before she glommed onto Trevor. So not going to expensive schools earlier in life wouldn't have paid for a car.
Blind Item #9
The alliterate one had final edit approval on an interview which recently aired. She doesn't on the very lengthy one. She wanted the very lengthy one to come out first (because she is in it) so kept trying to delay the first interview by not giving approval. They finally just said they were not waiting any longer and aired it.
Forbes: M came into the marriage with $2 million?
say what?
I'm having a hard time buying that. She might have earned that from all the different shows collectively but I'm not convinced she had that in investments and cash. She seems to have always come across as having an expensive lifestyle.
The Queen's silence and slowness to action during the days immediately following Diana's death were puzzling to onlookers, but in the context of her personal beliefs and the traditions by which she has conducted her life, as regular as the seasons, it made perfect sense. She is a deeply private and reserved woman, verging perhaps into the realm that modern psychologists might venture is on the autistic spectrum a bit. She cannot and will not be easily pried out of her routines, even in small matters. She seems to prefer the company of her horses and dogs to people, even her own children. Not a warm and fuzzy mother, so it was not surprising that she was not effusive toward her eldest son's troublesome ex-wife who had striven for a number of years to overshadow the Crown with her antics. Diana was making a spectacle of herself in those two years before she died. How would have dragging her grieving sons to London and that circus any sooner helped them to cope better? The Prime Minister had his finger on the pulse of the people, and that was canny, but his remarks only served to raise the public temperature, not cool it down.
Walking behind the cortege was Philip's idea, wasn't it? Or Charles Spencer's? It doesn't seem like something the Queen would have ordered them do, being such a private person herself.
I don't fault the Queen for keeping her family in Scotland and adhering to 'normal' as much as possible during that frenzied week of mass hysteria. She did display a lack of emotional intelligence and want of what ordinary folk would call feeling when she remained obdurate for so long that the memorial service for the mother of the future King had nothing whatsoever to do with the Royal family. Technically, she was correct; Diana was an ex-wife and no longer family in the strictest sense. Giving her the equivalent of a state funeral was just an unprecedented situation. The Prime Minister was right, though that the loss of Diana called for more of an occasion than a private family burial at Althorp, such as she might have received had she died a very old lady.
The Queen could have headed off much of the bad feeling toward her had she relented from protocol and done two quite simple things earlier:
1. Fly the flag at half mast over Buckingham Palace . . even though technically that meant the monarch had died. Perhaps a special flag might have been substituted for the one that signifies the monarch is in residence. The public just wanted to see a visible signal that Diana's loss was being marked.
2. Issued a statement earlier. Something could have been prepared and delivered the next day on TV from Balmoral. The people wanted to see and hear from the Queen--had she been willing to do that immediately, she could have done it from Balmoral and headed off a lot of criticism--and still gotten her wish to remain in Scotland for several days.
I don't think the Queen is as cold a person in private as you are making out. Her Greatest Generation reserve and decorum is at odds with the modern emotional incontinence so prevalent today, of which Diana was a hardcore practitioner. Really, that marriage between Charles and Diana couldn't have been more wrong if they'd set about on purpose to find the two most mismatched people not only in the United Kingdom but in all of Christendom. Harry embodies all of her most self-destructive and emotionally manipulative traits, but she alone can't be faulted for how he's turned out . . he's been without her for the last two-thirds of his life. The moral laxity and self-indulgent weakness which was in Harry's Great-great Uncle David resurfaces in him, along with a similar helping of negative traits from his mother. But somewhere in all this nature and nuture influences, the personal responsibility of a 36-year-old man for his own choices and responses in life has to be accounted for. This isn't all Meg's doing, as much as I hate her. Being with her has given Harry an accomplice in crime who gives him permission (in his own mind anyway) to be himself. Meg will help him destroy himself and walk away, uncaring . . .I don't think the magnitude of what he has done is going to hit him fully until that happens.
Good pts about the Queen, her generation, and her make up.
But I don't think the Royal Standard is ever flown at half mast even after the death of a monarch. There is always a Sovereign on the throne.
I thought walking behind Diana's coffin was first raised by Charles Spencer. He wanted to do it alone.
But I don't think the Royal Standard is ever flown at half mast even after the death of a monarch. There is always a Sovereign on the throne.
Exactly. Even I, an American, realize how inappropriate it would have been to have the Royal Standard flying at half mast over an empty BP, for Diana. I thought perhaps another flag, something with the Spencer crest on it?--might have been substituted on a lesser flagpole, or even some sort of memorial flame at the gates. The public just wanted a show of respect for the person they were grieving and they felt they did not get it, due to 'protocol' a want of feeling from a bunch of cold stiffs, or both.
Especially if he is as broke as Forbes claims. Forbes gets it wrong a lot and overestimates frequently. They were being generous with Megs (no chance) and I never thought Harry had much more than a yearly $400k trust fund, which would be around $10mm invested.
In this more confirmed context their behavior makes sense. Meghan convinced Harry he’s worth Billions (like the show - billions- his wannabe Crown actor stars in- you cannot make it up). Together they got deluded and drunk on power talks. Decided to spend spend spend while they were in the firm to take as much away as possible. Then they assumed they were striking while hot. Early enough to sell Archie baby photos, and show off Meghan’s post baby bod. Grifted of woke-black celebs and The Fosters (who learned).
Meghan’s always behaved low rent. Harry is leaning into the low rent lifestyle. It’s more his comfort. That would be mentally challenging, to switch income classes and status due to your job!! Yikes!
I’ve always assumed Meghan thought Harry had a lot more money than he did and was stunned that everything was paid on expense accounts. Her behavior says the same. Detests everything Royal. I particularly liked her attempt to keep the Duchy money on the way out the door. More evidence they are pretty broke.
And of course the massive mortgage ($1mm per year) they signed up for. Harry’s Netflix plug is more ‘eff I need cash flow’. So he’s willing to throw everyone over the bus. They don’t care. They are broke. This is what desperate people do - misbehave in hopes of making things work.
I must have misunderstood whst you meant when you said the flag at half-mast would mean the monarch had died. Sorry.
So the Union flag was flown at half-mast during the funeral. I guess that could have been done sooner...but I'm not so sure about the optics of flying a Spencer flag over the Palace.
This was James the host
With Harry almost
Harry did not tarry
To escape what he married
A new Harry
Almost not married
Out of his doom
Out of his gloom
Away from his shrew
That he almost out grew
Crawling through mud
He looked quite the stud
They even threw spears
Without any fear
Almost out of his swoon
Almost out of his trance
While doing his Harry happy dance
But 'twas not to be
Now back into reality
Harry now trapped
With no Adele
To have his back
Back to his overwrought Manse
H blew this chance
Blind Item #9
The alliterate one had final edit approval on an interview which recently aired. She doesn't on the very lengthy one. She wanted the very lengthy one to come out first (because she is in it) so kept trying to delay the first interview by not giving approval. They finally just said they were not waiting any longer and aired it.
Oooo, that blind sounds interesting!
I hope it's true she doesn't have final edit approval of the Oprah interview.
I imagine Oprah's side getting the final edit privileges would be expected.
There was only one flagstaff on Buck House at that time - the Union flag would have been deemed superfluous as the Nation is embodied in the Monarch within. It is unthinkable that the two should be flown from one staff or that the Royal Standard should not be flown when the Monarch is present in the building.
There is now separate flagstaff on the roof for the national flag, just to help those of limited understanding, to borrow a phrase -was it from SirStinxalot?.
Flying more than flag on the same staff refers to a hierarchy - thus if I wanted to do it, I'd have the Union Flag at the top, St George's flag, for England, immediately below it, and the County flag right at the bottom. A flag at half-mast `makes room' for Death's `invisible flag' above it, because Death has been victorious, the same idea as when an enemy warship was captured.
I was appalled that people were encouraged by the Press to think that their grief at the loss of Diana was so important, compared with the feelings of a family caring two boys who had lost their mother.
Context: one person, followed by a few more, increasing into a crowd, put a bunch of flowers and a message at the gates of BP. The media sent out reporters.
One reporter spoke to an American tourist (a woman) who had joined the crowd. She was most pushy and slagged off the Queen and the BRF and made a fuss that the flag was not flying at half mast. Obviously, she did not understand what the flag meant, but was not bothered to find out. The crowd around her, deeply under the influence of crowd hysteria by this time, heard the American (she was very loud) and then started demanding that the flag be flown at half mast.
Something small and silly and insignificant can quickly become something large with no reason nor rationality attached to it.
Although much has been said about the whole debacle and all sorts of significance attached to the flag, it actually was all about a loud, pushy and ignorant American tourist and a crowd deep in the throes of crowd hysteria, and a media trying to fill the whole day with coverage more interesting than over-the-top displays of grief from her hundreds of people that did not know Diana personally.
I remember my father telling me about the rules for the Royal Standard when I was first taken to Windsor. I was very impressed with the Castle and Dad made me a play `castle' out of a cardboard carton. He drew, and stuck on, a little illustration of a window with the King and Queen looking out, surmounted by a crown cut from a scrap of officially-marked paper from his office. I was just 5 yrs old.
Corden was a sort of b**chy yet uneasy, jumpy, intimidated host trying to remember to be funny. And “Haz” was a snobby little priss trying to pretend he is a regular guy and still-in royal, only. Only in the obstacle course portion did Haz seem to climb down a bit. He needs to go there daily to work out his rage and loneliness.
Key Impressions for me:
* Some Haz uneasiness with the bus, then surprise, then liking it, like tasting his first plebe hamburger. Amusing since he has been with a trashy commoner for three years.
* Haz acted a bit stuffed up himself in the beginning, though maybe It was nerves. But still very much the the lord of the manor eyeing the common man like a grubby estate worker reporting the planting of a tree. It showed me Haz doesn’t get out much and hasn’t made the transition to being “normal” yet beyond the SS suck ups.
*@Hikari, Harry said it was Meghan who told the Queen that Archie wanted a waffle maker. Yes, why let you rubbish child get some nice books or toys he might keep forever as a memory from his historic Queen grandmother? Better to request a kitchen utensil, since you have no kid anyway. You know she asked for a $400 Breville. I hope that Megs made the whole Queen story up. And now the Queen will know.
* Crocodile. Uh huh. Okay. Maybe they are developing a backstory for the excuse for “the zoo croc ate my plastic baby.”
* Harry looked at that loaded tea cart as if he hasn’t seen anything but lettuce rolls, avocado toast, paper plates, wig hair and oat milk in a year. No birthday cake for Archie! I will wager it was the first real cup of tea he has had in months, the way he fell on it. And that his heart broke when the tea cakes went flying as the cart fell on him. It was the only eager, resurrected-self moment I saw other than his obstacle course romping.
* It is said actor Henry Winkler is one of the nicest men in Hollywood. So I was deeply satisfied when the punishing Universe upset the teacart onto Haz just after Corden mentioned Winkler’s house, and Haz said, Henry Winkler who? Sort of a “cosmic nice man slaps bad man.”
* The wild arm waving seemed like recently learned lessons in emphatic speech-making. Pity that his teacher ‘tis a horror.
*.So ummmmm, he plans to earn his mortgage money giving and doing charitable things. Uhhh. I also noted a nervous separation right there of we -> I. Megs “signed up for it” re service, but didn’t do it and in that instance he showed he knows she still wants to “star” in movies.
* the Fresh Prince house thing was awkward even without the toilet break. Harry’s window moment was more if a weird revealing “I am scared of commoners, even though they paid for this house themselves and I lack the ability to do so.”
* Megs’ one phone centimeter of blue dress is already being hawked on a Meghan Wore type site. So obvious, hun.
* Harry’s wonky high-pitched encouragement to Corden on the obstacle course was either odd or sad. And it really seemed to piss off Corden yah? It was odd because it sounded like a childhood voice regression, and it was sad because it struck me that he was actually enjoying his playtime and that he has absolutely no friends and this was the first free lads’ time since he was taken hostage. I predict Haz will be working at the obstacle course place in 14 months.
Rating: 2 stars. ⭐️⭐️ X X X. for the tea cart spill and the look of disgust on the face of obstacle course Sam.
@Jdubya,
Thank you for the excellent finds!
Nelo, so true, Forbes inflated Kylie Jenner to a Young Billionaire without checking things out. I can believe they accepted a puffed-up wealth number for Megs from SS or Rachel with the Hotmail. Forbes lost credibility ages ago.
Jdubya, oh oh! 😁 all that poor broken Harkle china........
I'm so happy you enjoyed reading about my way of life. I feel blessed for sure! :)
Also, the press wasn't as controlled back then as it is today. There was alot more known about the behind the scenes. The Queen's relunctance and mealy mouthed approach to Diana's death unfolded live before our eyes in much the same way Harry and Meghan's shenanigans are unfolding before our eyes.
Everything that happened that week is now written as a summary with all the bad points edited out especially the part where The Queen initially refused to acknowledge Diana personally or publicly for ridiculous protocol reasons when protocol is in control of the monarch who can change it if they wish. History magnificently rewritten to tug at our emotions - Very Diana if you ask me. Who will argue against a grannie taking care of her heartbroken grandsons? And yet that narrative didn't emerge until mid-late 00s after The Queen movie had successfully re-framed that week.
Swiftly forgotten is The Queen silent obstinance followed by being forced, dragged to do the right thing after having left a vacuum which allowed the odious Blair to step in and take control of events to paint himself as a much more savvy player who rescued The Queen from her disastrous week.
Addressing your individual points:
1. Her silence. It began the morning of Diana's death when she attended a church service as if all was well. For a devout woman and head of the CoE, she couldn't extend to ask the priest or indeed all the CoE to add a line for Diana's soul to that morning's book of common prayers service. A service she attended with the boys. A service that prays for her own soul every time a CoE service is held anywhere in the world.
And even if that was a protocol issue as she came to blame everything else moreover protocol in her personal control as head of CoE, her priest could have added it to a different prayer within the service she attended alongside her grief stricken grandsons.
At no point during that week was there a personal acknowledgement of Diana's death from her. Only official impersonal BP statements repeatedly reiterating protocol or asking everyone to look to the Spencer family for answers for private citizen Diana.
In London we also knew that Diana's returned body was at St James Chapel all week. It gave the impression that Diana was alone in that chapel except for staffers. The Spencers discreetly visited her, but not a single royal did.
The media and Tony Blair then amplified the public shock, grief and anger to such a degree that BP went from "ex-royal-doesn't-deserve-royal-or-even-public-acknowledgment" to dusting off the Queen Mother's funeral plans to be adapted for Diana.
The Queen was also forced to give an address to the nation the day before the funeral. That address was the first personal acknowledgement all week. The lack of acknowledgement personal or public had been so glaring that media published articles headlined: Show us you care ma'am.
Charles Spencer has been blamed as the culprit of the walk, but he was determined to walk behind the coffin come hell or high water.
Tony Blair's office came up with the suggestion that the boys should join the walk to defuse the public anger. It was put to the boys. The rest is history.
And frankly, being in London that week, those boys walking was indeed the best decision for the royals because the anger was palpable until they showed up.
If she had acknowledged Diana at the start, there would have been no room for Blair and the media to stoke up public anger that required the boys' physical presence.
A simple 'Diana has died, we are grieving in private, we'll let you know about funeral arrangements later' was enough.
The Queen did learn the lesson. These days she puts out that simple statement within 24hrs of a tragedy or death.
I too sacrificed 17+ minutes of my precious life & watched the Corden/Harry video, after having read the very perceptive comments of other Nutties.
I don't know enough about James Corden to have an opinion about him. He may have been tense, but it could have been because he was renegotiating his contract with CBS, or just because he wasn't sure how he could make Harry look funny.
If I hadn't spent the time since Megs announced her first 'pregnancy' & I became intrigued by her bizarrely growing & shrinking baby bump on websites like this one, where people study the Harkles like Kremlinologists studied the USSR during the Cold War, I would have found Hairy reasonably likeable & amusing. He's British, & a prince, so can't be expected to be entirely down to earth.
It's hilarious that their stans & bots are saying, 'He looks soooo HAPPY!' Yes, he does, because Megs is nowhere to be found! He's looked miserable in their Zoom videos. He's also much more likeable when he's not in finger wagging preachy mode. He does seem to shut down when they're calling Megs, but viewers might attribute that to British reserve. Who knows?
I do think their handlers read DM comments & blogs like this one, hence, their attempt to make him seem more macho, as people have pointed out his more masculine stance in the Spotify plug video. Maybe their pr people have cottoned on to the fact that the US audience might be more interested in Hegs than in Megs.
I think the Gayle King blurb for the interview shows they're desperate to drum up an audience. If they knew they had a blockbuster, they wouldn't have bothered with that.
So many great Nutties' questions for the Harkles. Ron, (sorry I didn't want to spend time finding out how to do the accent) yours are really excellent. The Greta question is champion!
* Crocodile. Uh huh. Okay. Maybe they are developing a backstory for the excuse for “the zoo croc ate my plastic baby.”
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LMAO!!
Let's start fleshing that story out pronto!
It can include a trip to the LA Zoo
Where HotRob just happens to be shooting an episode of his firemen show...
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#2 --- Bypass paywalls is found at github.com. A small program for Windows computers. You can install or find a savvy teen (lol) to do it for you. Installs on the Chrome browser. Works for many paywalled newspapers and magazines. Such as --- The New Yorker --- The NY Times---- Washington Post -- The UK Telegraph.
George Will, a respected conservative American columnist, wrote that he thought the Brits had collectively lost their minds. He couldn't believe that the country that had stoically endured WWII, would cry in the streets over someone like Diana, who by that time was losing quite a bit of her halo,
The Queen is old school, demanding, judgmental & private, as one of my kids described my late father, who would be 103 if alive.
Back in 1994, The Queen Mother took advantage of a tax inheritance loophole that says that you can skip inheritance tax on your estate if you divest it 7yrs before your death.
She divested her estate into trusts for all her living grandchildren plus the two children of Princess Margaret.
The trusts would pay out when each beneficiery reached 25yrs old and again at 40yrs old.
As we know she died in 8yrs later.
Throughout those 8yrs she never economised her spending. Her lifestyle was that of an extremely wealthy Edwardian aristocrat which in reality she was. Her govt annuity barely covered her expenses and without her income to meet any shortfalls, she quickly fell into debt. The Queen had to step in every year to clesr her debts and she still died in deep debt.
And despite that debt, she still managed to build up a portfolio of art and other expensive baubles and toys because she lived unconcerned about that debt and saw no reason not to continue to indulge herself.
Princess Margaret did the same thing with her wealth, but unfortunately her son promptly sold off all the estate she divested to him including her beloved house on Mustique. It's no wonder she fell into depression in her last years. She'd hoped to enjoy the fruits of her estate even if divested to her children. And she loved that house on Mustique.
People often wonder how The Queenmother could live so large that she died in such debt, but uou just need to look at Fergie and Meghan who both spent like lottery winners the minute they joined the royals.
Fergie had a multi- million overdraft at coutts that she over spent every year when she was married.
She got into debt as she exited the family because The Queen paid off her overdraft every year, but refused to pay her final year's overdraft due to the divorce and we all remember that the divorce as ordered suddenly and swiftly so Fergie never had a chance to deal with her affairs properly before she was booted out.
And left holding £3M overdraft debt that she'd been merrily spending thoughtlessly in the year leading to the divorce.
Look at Meghan. Even if she's merching or receiving gifts, as a (ex)royal, she's got a $9M mortgage and maintenance and staff costs + £3000-£90,000 dresses to buy + private Jets only travel habit. And that's just the stuff we know about She's easily running at £1M a year at conservative estimate. It's easy to fall into debt with spending habits at that level.
Charles complained that his "other household expenditure" rose by 40% in the first year after Meghan was added to his pocket book. "Other household expenditure" is his way of hiding the money he spends on William and Harry.
You're right about Oprah and Corden both being involved in Weight Watchers. I saw an interview that he did with her, crying that he was going on WW because he wanted to not feel like the fat guy anymore. Oprah and Corden are buddies.
This was filmed on Feb.17:
For some reason, I can't get a link to work. Just look up "Youtube James Corden opens up to Oprah on his weight loss journey."
Be prepared for Oprah's word salad.
There is a reason why you never ever hear about the amount they donate to these charities they use for PR and that is because whatever they must have donated would be laughed at if the amount is revealed. They don't have as much as they want people to believe they have and that is why they spend so much on PR inflating their net worth and talk about how their brand is worth billions.
I believe they are living in debt and I mean it.
Why isn't Harry allowed to do anything solo? Grip had Gloria, etc but even in South Africa Drip wasn't allowed to go it alone (remember she surprise zoomed him when he was working alone in Botswana). So HE is doing James C and she has to FaceTime in. Holy crap she's thirsty.
I didn't find the Corden segment funny at all. Maybe for Justin Beiber or a young kid like that, but for a man who is trying to get his wife into politics and to work huge business deals, I don't think that's the way to do it. It's such a childish thing to do. Once again, Harry looks like the buffoon that he is. A clown, a joker. That's all that he has to offer.
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Whoever said it above, I agree that Forbes hasn't been taken seriously since a majority share was bought up by the Chinese. It's no longer a good source for factual news.
I know our friends across the pond have probably turned in for the night, but still I want to award you the comment prize for the day. I hope no one minds.
They are great for cooking the heavier more organic batters that Megs must use some of the time. Perhaps smearing avocado on the cooked waffle? I have used one for cooking even a straight cornmeal batter. This was a v heavy batter. Worked out great because a waffle is thin in the depressed squares. My old one is long gone, Megsy has inspired me to buy another.
I've never had a waffle maker, and will never get one because I know that I'd probably end up living on waffles. That's the reason I never learned to bake. Too many goodies around to be tempted by. I have no self-control when it comes to sweets, so I just don't have them in the house. My BF has to bring his own when he's here and take them back home with him. It's that bad.
Yes, Fergie's settlement was based on Andrew's naval salaries. She couldn't touch his royal family trusts. That seems to have been the same strategy used by the Luxembourg royal family in settling Tessy's divorce demands.
I was initially impressed by Fergie's determination to clear her £3M debt accrued from her final year as a royal, and she quickly attracted endorsements tgat paid it all off almost immediately, hut unfortunately the lesson wasn't learnt and she continued to spend as if she was still being bankrolled by The Queen. She's hopeless with money.
In hindsight her American adventure is seen as tacky, but at the time it was treated as if it was invisible ie if she kept her commercial activities in America then she wouldn't embarrass the Queen by having turned to trade. The print media reported on her business deals, but they were not reported in detail or as avidly as Harry and Meghan's deals or even Edward and Sophie's commercial adventures. The UK took the same line as The Queen.
Re Doria's alleged disappearance for MM's junior-senior high school years:
**Jocelyn'sBellinis said...
@Jenn,
Sam never pins it down, but she does give clues. She mentions that Doria went to Humboldt County a lot. Humboldt County was the US weed growing center at that time, and full of hippies and self-styled gurus.
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Yes, she does make it pretty clear that Doria was(is?) a pothead. It seems Thomas did not know about all of Doria's pot-smoking activities.
I would say that moving into a divorced man's house and smoking illegal drugs in front of his underage children all while he was not home is another strike against Doria. I also thought Sam was hinting that she got high while pregnant.
Those Humboldt County visits were short trips. Sam seems to hint that Doria disappeared for a longer length of time. I have to finish the book before I can put it together but perhaps that old theory of where she went for a few years is true?
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**@Punkinseed
I'm so sorry you had so much experience with narcs in your family. I have dealt with a couple of folks with narc characteristics but I don't think it was as serious as you describe. It sounds like your husband had a comorbid issue with depression. Psych issues commonly occur in clusters so sometimes it's not easy to identify what is causing the problem. And depression can manifest itself in multiple symptoms. I think both M and H are each both suffering from a cluster of issues. We've all noted that here - I don't know why the rest of the world doesn't see it!
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**@JocelynsBellinis
Thanks for providing the highlights of Lady C's latest video. I find her very interesting but sometimes difficult to watch as she speaks so slowly. I prefer to read information rather than listen to it.
Is it just me or does she sound a bit like Julia Child??
PART 1
"Help, help, but, no rush really," an annoyingly-pitched female voice called out half-heartedly. "Like, a think a False Gharia has my kid, who is an Earl or something.."
The crew of 9-1-1: Lone Star looked up from the scene they were shooting in the LA Zoo. Series' star Rob Lowe as Manhattan fireman Owen Strand was rescuing a few children from a burning battery-operated kangaroo toy at a counter standing in for a Texas Zoo gift shop. Trained crew, used to everything, they couldn't get over the grating cheap sound of the woman's voice.
But star Rob Lowe had a different reaction. At once, Hot Rob's entire perfect panther-like physique, honed tv-series perfection in his Montecito home gym for the demands of his role as a 9/11 firefighting hero transplanted to Austin, seemed to glide into smooth exquisite motion. Noted for his civic involvement around the lush avenues of Montecito, Rob had heard that voice before, from beyond a hedge, berating an unseen someone for coming home without new diamonds. He had to perform a citizen's action now, here, at the zoo. No one else would be able to handle it.
Whirling around like an agile muscular oiled Viking, Hot Rob demanded of the crew, "Quick -- where do they keep the False Gharia here? I believe it is a rare species of dangerous crocodiles?"
"Yes," said a gaffer, "The one consuming the child would be in the LAIR exhibit. Right over there."
Like a golden-skinned bullet expelled from a superior gene pool of blue eyed masculine beauty, Hot Rob took off. He saw a small crowd gathered and heard their concerned noises. As he approached, he saw a woman in a wrinkled dragged polyester sack dress that matched the color of a bruise, and a black wig the size of a winter muskrat house. She was lolling at the edge of a crowd, looking at her phone.
"Rachel Meghan, what now?" he said. She looked lazily up, arched her back, kicked her dress up to her hips and then jumped at him squealing, "Oh Robbie Rob Rob! I heard you were filming here! Do you know I live in Montecito too!?"
"Yes, I do," said Hot Rob, narrowing sapphire eyes. "Where is Archie?" He removed her pawing avocado-stained fingertips from the front of his neatly tailored authentic Fireman's costume. "Oh," she murmured, looking him up and down and licking her gel-stuffed lips, "Yah, he loves crocodiles so I think he like ran and climbed over or something. He's okay, he can say crocodile. Have you ever thought of adding a strong feminist to 9-1-1: Lone Star? I learned a Texas accent when Northwestern did Night of the Iguana--"
But Hot Rob was already at the edge of the reptile pit, flinging aside his fireman coat to reveal the form of a sinewy action man star ready for a life and death struggle. TO BE CONTINUED!!!
PART 2
"Lady threw the doll right in," a hefty man with a snow cone informed him. "Bounced some. Gator got it."
Hot Rob turned to the willing informant, as women and children jostled around him for a better view of the toddler carnage. He said to the calm ice-eating man, "Did you say doll?"
The man nodded. Hot Rob looked again and fixed his eyes on the tragic scene. His were 20-10 eyes, naturally perfect in the world of vision, and brushing his long dark lashes aside, he was able to see a shiny plastic baby torso with a sticker still on it being tossed by a happy croc. "Thank you, sir," he said to the man. "You have been a helpful citizen." The man nodded.
Hot Rob moved back toward the shade trees where Meghan was now polishing her cocktail ring with her nylon hair.
"I know about the doll, Meghan," he said bluntly. "it's gone, by the way."
Meghan smiled again and twirled around. "I am tomorrow's headlines!" she sang as she twirled. "I already gave Sunburnt Hacks the news. Hopefully Baby Diana will be a better earner. Can't give the oat milk away for free! But look, babes, right now I am here, I am willing, I am ten months pregnant but still not showing and --"
Hot Rob merely pulled out a pair of handcuffs and slapped them on her. "This is not a movie fireman arrest, this is not a Montecito councilman arrest. This is a special deputy of Prince Philip arrest. You are going to a Cornwall jail for the duration. How I have waited for this moment. But, I am a patient fireman actor. Time's up, fruit pie. Now let's march!"
"Wait, I have a zoo tarantula for Charlotte!" screeched Megs, clawing for a box left on a bench. "No one tops Baby Diana!"
Hot Rob merely held her in an iron grip. Three Zoo Security men and two Marines retrieved the spider box with a pair of zoo tongs, and carted it and a screaming, flirting Meghan off on her splayed legs.
"Another victory for 9-1-1: Montecito!" Hot Rob smiled to himself. "But poor Snarchie doll. Well, time to go kick his doll dad out of Montecito. Can't have a bad dresser ruining our vibe." He smiled and began to sign autographs.
@JennS,
Re the date of the Spotify video: I think I’ve got it, by god!
A Vanity Fair online news blurb about their Spotify appearance (link below) makes it sound like it was done on Monday February 22.....they word it as “they called into the event” — so, in the moment it happened —- from their Montecito living room. Ie, a live event call-in.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/02/meghan-and-harry-spotify-appearance
Next, I checked to see WHEN the Spotify Streaming Event took place. Answer (link below): Monday Feb 22, 2021, at 11 a.m.
https://newsroom.spotify.com/stream-on/
Conclusion.....yes, she was looking lots less pregnant in the video, one week after the Valentines Day photo drop.
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**@AnT
Excellent sleuthing job!
I award you the
Golden Harkle Sleuth Award!
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She may try to claim this was filmed at another time, but I'm filing this info in my sharkskin-colored Charlie's Angels bag!
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**@Ziggy said...
@JennS said "I just scanned through the article again to see if there is a date for the video and I noticed this line in the article that may have been added as I don't remember it:
'It is unclear when the video was filmed.'"
I can confirm this line was in there the day the article was posted, as it was the only reason I didn't go "HUH?" at the absence of a belly.
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Ah HA! So the DM thought it strange enough that they had to slip in this little statement! Thanks for letting me know - I missed it the first time.😍
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. Lol thanks! Fulfilling a special Hot Rob/Archie/crocodile story request from our own @JennS.
I couldn't finish Sam's book. I just gave up on it because it was so badly written. At that time, Humboldt County was a free-for-all groovy hippie place where people came and went at will. Some stayed for years, and some for just days for the harvest, and it was always dangerous unless you had friends there. Strangers were not wanted as the growers were trying to protect their crops. They started with bad weed from Mexico and then started bringing in the best grade weed from Afghanistan, and that's what put them on the map.
So it could be that Doria spent a good amount of time up there. Humboldt County was so famous for weed growing that I first learned of it when I was in college in the early 70s, nowhere near California. Think of it as a smaller Woodstock type vibe. Anything goes.
They needed people to traffic the weed throughout the country, so money could be made there (hint, hint). If you have the time, watch Murder Mountain on Netflix. It describes the entire operation. At one time, Humboldt County supplied 60% of the weed to the entire country.
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I can hear just a touch of Julia Child in Lady C's voice. I love her style, but I'm beginning to wonder just how much she really knows about the inner workings of the BRF. Every bit of her tea is from a "source," and that always gives me pause. Also, telling people that she has so much news from behind the scenes at the palace that she can't talk about doesn't mean anything, either.
Wow! Thank you for my Golden Harkle Sleuthing Award! I am very honored!
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@ConstantGardener33,
the stories are inspired by An Origunal Idea By 🏄🏼♂️ 👶 @JennS!
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm laughing so hard and loud my whole neighborhood must think I'm loony!!!
That was EXCELLENT!!!!💓💓💓 I love how you made it star Hot💋Rob!
AND I just saw his sapphire eyes on my tv screen (moments before finding your post) in an Atkins commercial!!!!
Megalo was perfect with her attempts to snare that golden god of a man.
I LOVE our stories about Montecito Rob and Snarchie!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rob is perfect for this series of ours.
Do you remember the commercials he used to do for cable vs satellite TV? He's got a great sense of humor.
Also the ones for visiting California?
I wish I could be as funny as you.
I can come up with ideas but don't think I could ever write like that.
My surfer Snarchie getting swept out to sea story was not nearly as humorous.
I'll make a new avatar for this chapter of the Snarchie book.
Don't forget to show your friends this new Snarchie story!!!!!!!
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Great questions and musings. I tend to think that yes, the press are waiting for something spectacular to occur. They probably thought the court case would provide the show. Or, a bigger stripping of titles next month. Everything got pre-emptied and scrubbed. So now, maybe they are leaking bobs and bits, but waiting for fireworks from a disastrous Oprah interview. Ninety minutes with a malignant narc, even with intro, cutaways, edits and the ten minute arrival of Harry, must reveal something strange, don’t you think? Maybe once Prince Philip is back home, and Oprah is on our screens, the scribes will finally deliver a more studied researched Harkle exploration.
@AnT, "The Adventures of Hot Rob and the Duchess" would make a great serial!
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@ConstanceGardener33
Ant and I have been doing a little series on just that very thing but with a focus on how MM would try to get rid of her 'vinyl child' Snarchie AKA Archificial / Fauxchie. It's a long story but Rob Lowe got involved (in our minds only unfortunately!) when he claimed to have seen and followed Harry to his house.
Some of us think that Rob may know about the weirdness surrounding the Harkles.
So glad it did it’s job and gave you a laugh! We need all the laughs we can get at the moment! Well, you keep coming up with Snarchie scenarios as the situation warrants, and I will try to flesh them out if I can. This was a crazy week and left me in a goofy, sleep-deprived mood which probably helped.
You know, I have not seen that much of Hot Rob somehow! I think of him as St Elmo’s Fire Rob and Austen Powers Rob, and Parks and Rec Rob. Hope I am doing him justice! Handsome, kind, efficient and a secret blue-eyed British crown weapon. 😎🐊👶🏄🏼♂️👨🏼🚒
Thanks! just riffing off the ideas and Hot Rob dreamscapes of @JennS! See her explanation ^^^ — our musings about the eventual fate of plastic Snarchie doll if he becomes superfluous to the plans of the Montecito Madame upon the arrival of baby purchase #2.
Very illuminating reading. Check those out, and then consider that Harry has put these words ostensibly into the mouth of a 19 or 20-month-old child. Is Archie real... or is he just invoked as a sort of code for their perverted sex life? And now they’re poised to do it again all over with the pregnancy show. I thought immediately how oddly specific crocodile and waffle maker were out of the mouth of a child not yet two. I think Harry and Meg get bakes every night in Montecito and pour over the urban dictionary for kicks. Then they tried out these fake tip stories and laugh and laugh at the plebs who swallow their juvenile depravity. Check it out; give me your thoughts.
Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but what I heard when Corden asked Harry what he plans to do now that he’s in L. A. -
Harry: “I don’t know..” Quickly followed, of course, with lots of words about service.
This could be made into a great 7 minute youtube cartoon. With adverts of course, to rake in the money for charity. Just change a few details to avoid lawsuits, such as change Rob Lowe into HotBodTodd, the surfer man of Montecito. A young skilled cartoonist could do this for $10,000. This is all done on computers these days, thus less expensive than this used to be.
The gray men should get the RF to fork over the money well spent. After laundering the money through a few of their offshore trusts to maintain anonymity. This would get millions of views.
@JennS, maybe Hot Rob is a Nutty lurker...
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I wish!
Did you see James Corden's recent interview with Rob Lowe? Rob claimed he saw Harry with a ponytail. That's what started all of this off with some of us here - the Archificial stories, my collection of Harry with different hairstyles and the HotRob jokes.
Rob has lived in Montecito for many years and is very protective of the community. He is neighbors with the Harkles /Oprah /Ellen. He seemed suspicious that he never saw any sign of the Harkles in the area and referred to Harry as the Loch Ness Monster! Considering his location and his connections we got the impression that he was in the possession of some good and strong tea!!! @Jessica and I considered trying to DM him to get his attention to this blog....🤣🤣🤣
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I see there are a number of definitions - all gross and all either pertaining to sex or bodily functions. I can't believe they would involve the Queen in their secret laughs! SMH
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I'll find you some HotRob candy as well as humor!😉
That was brilliant! Thanks for the laughs.
Is it even possible for a child's first word to be 3 syllables long?
And who tells a story like that without an explanation for the child's use of that particular word?
That's so weird. I posted a couple of hours ago about the Urban Dictionary definitions, including warnings that they were really gross.
Brilliant!
You can go back to watching Discovery Channel Rob Lowe Shark Week videos from 10 years ago.
If you all have not looked at the Daily Star's next issue cover, it is also brilliant. You can see it on Murkey Meg.
So was Harry's visit an ad for the owners of the house (Will Smith owns part of it) who are renting it out? Was Harry's little stunt with Corden just another cheap money-making scheme? Is Harry doing business with Will Smith?
https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/2020-09-14/fresh-prince-of-bel-air-mansion-hits-airbnb-for-30-a-night#:~:text=Billionaire%20developer%20Rick%20Caruso%2C%20the,his%20oceanfront%20home%20in%20Malibu.&text=After%20paying%20%24100%20million%20for,next%20door%20for%20%2487%20million.
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I tried looking up the clip again, but every one I looked at on Youtube has cut the Fresh Prince part out. Hmmm. It was there yesterday. Do I detect that MM didn't want that part shown?
The reason I was looking for it is because I wanted to check whether Harry asked where the bathroom was. If he didn't ask, he'd been there before. Could this be the place they are staying in now? Or using it for their videos?
I used to be a huge fan of Oprah, but age has brought me some wisdom. And I have realized that Oprah is not a hard hitting interviewer. So I don’t expect much from her in this interview. However I hope I am surprised.
That segment of the interview was so awkward. So Harry goes from being one of the top draws in the Royal Family to shilling for rental houses in L.A.
I have no personal experience with Airbnb, but $30 a night for a Bel Air home seems way too cheap. I expect to figure 10 times that amount for a house in that swanky neighborhood.
Covid really messed things up, but if this interview had happened last spring when the Harkles were househunting, it would’ve made more sense. Now Harry’s in Santa Barbara, an hour down the coast, and mudslide towers is their “forever home“. That is until they fall into arrears on the mortgage or the Russian oligarch demands his property back. Because the Harkles have no talent and nothing to sell, they approach their PR in a backwards fashion. Normally a celebrity goes On a press junket because they have something to promote which is already completed—A new movie, book, comedy special, record, or social initiative. Harry and Meg use PR to promote themselves but there’s no “hook”...Nothing to offer except the same wilted word salad About being compassionate, and “serving”. There’s never any specifics, no plan of action, no demonstrable successes… Just the same old tired talk, and promises of all this great stuff they’re going to do as soon as they get paid millions of dollars upfront. They are acting like a couple of five-year-olds who fantasize about making gobs of money with a lemonade stand In the driveway, but they can’t even be arsed to make the lemonade. They are serving pretend lemonade out of pretend cups—Or perhaps it’s an oatmilk latte stand—But no matter, it’s all pretend. They still expect to get paid in real money though.
OK, you will LOVE these.
HotRob did a series of commercials for Direct TV a few years ago. They were brilliant and hysterical. For each commercial, he shows up as himself AND in character as a second alter-ego loser to debate the merits of Direct TV compared to cable.
Check out the compilation of some of them in the link below.
I love the way he really assumes each of the "loser" characters. My favorites are Crazy Hairy Rob Lowe, Scrawny Arms Rob Lowe, Painfully Awkward RL and Meathead Rob Lowe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQnR9t-dCY
Too bad the Harkles don't have any talent. They could look to HotRob as an example of someone who has successfully marketed himself, really worked hard at his profession, and managed to get involved in a wide variety of projects.
It's very common for narcissists to spend every cent they have and go into debt. They buy on impulse, never on any planned or organized budget. Megs will burn through all of their $ if she hasn't already and it won't be long before they are flat broke busted. When that time comes, Harry better be ready to duck and run, far away because you can be sure that she will blame all of the debt on him. She will treat him like a lowlife bum and endlessly trash him. What little self esteem he has will be reduced even more.
She will gaslight him into thinking the debt is all his fault, never hers no matter what, and force him to beg his dad to bail them out. She'll tell him to use their babies as leverage to get Charles to give them money. Playing the kid card. She will also stoop to extortion and threaten to play the race card on Charles if he doesn't give them enough.
She will also tell him that she is the one doing all of the work to get income, while he does nothing and he'll believe her.
This IS how narcissists operate. It's a pattern that is predictable and repeated over and over.
HotRob is a great actor. His brother is pretty good actor too.
Hikari, very true! All hat and no cattle. Typical of grifters.
Some of their hubris and hype, along with their overinflated belief that their every word or deed is worth far more than anyone else's reminds me of the crazy over the top BS promoted by David Miscavage and Scientology. How they've managed to save the world. Would be nice if the world could actually see the result of this massive salvation wouldn't it?
I may be in the minority here, but I've enjoyed every James Corden segment I've seen. (Note: I haven't seen very many.) So I was actually optimistic about his bus tour with Prince Harry. About a minute in, I had to admit it was the most boring thing Corden has ever done. Harry was awkward and uncharismatic. It was probably scripted because Haz couldn't ad lib to save his life. And of course that script included Corden referring to Meghan as "the Duchess" before he video called her.
Someone had told me to watch out for Prince Harry's body language during the video call. It was as bad as she promised. He was not happy about it. He didn't even want to see his own wife or to hear her voice.
As for the Archie bits . . . "Crocodile" I might have still bought. But the waffle maker was outrageous. Never mind Archie's supposed age. If a child really did love waffles, wouldn't a pair of devoted parents with means have bought a basic waffle maker themselves instead of hitting up a wealthy grandmother for it?
I'll admit that the obstacle course was entertaining and funny. All thanks to Corden.
Check those out, and then consider that Harry has put these words ostensibly into the mouth of a 19 or 20-month-old child. Is Archie real... or is he just invoked as a sort of code for their perverted sex life? And now they’re poised to do it again all over with the pregnancy show. I thought immediately how oddly specific crocodile and waffle maker were out of the mouth of a child not yet two.
Does anyone else remember roast chicken from the engagement interview? That was the first one I looked up and I've regretted it ever since.
Anyway, this wouldn't be the first time an oddly distinctive detail from a Harry/Meghan interview turned out to be a perverted sex act. (The obvious question, though is: Why???) Just the first time they've pinned it on Archie. Gosh, I hope it's the last.
Battle of the Sussex sit-downs: Oprah boasts her bombshell interview with Harry and Meghan is 'the best she has ever done' according to best pal Gayle King, hours after the prince's no-holds-barred chat with James Corden
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9304161/Oprahs-interview-Harry-Meghan-best-done.html
Thanks for putting up the link!
@hikari,
$30/night is outrageously low for a house in Brentwood. The Fresh
Prince house is in Brentwood, not Bel Air. I'd expect to pay $1500-2,000/night for that, or even more.
So is Harry shilling another empty house? I wonder if HMTQ told Harry that the bathroom stunt was unacceptable. Imagine how the BRF reacted when they saw that!
Please keep PP in the hospital until this is no longer news. It could be enough to give him a stroke or a heart attack. HMTQ, too. Harry is systematically hounding two people in their 90s. If something happens to them, he and MM will go down in history as being partially responsible for their deaths. Nothing they will do for the rest of their lives will overcome what they are doing to these two very elderly people. Harry will be held most responsible because they are his grandparents.
BTW, HMTQ looked so lovely when she was talking about getting her shot. She seemed to be very capable. I wouldn't underestimate her yet.
It's very common for narcissists to spend every cent they have and go into debt. They buy on impulse, never on any planned or organized budget. Megs will burn through all of their $ if she hasn't already and it won't be long before they are flat broke busted.
@Punkinseed: You are spot on! I think that due to Meghan’s likely case of narcissistic personality disorder, she will spend every dime they make, and lots more beyond that.The Harkles will end up in a financial ditch deeper than the Mariana Trench.
As a narcissist, Meghan has to maintain the facade of being successful on multiple fronts. She has to maintain the “leaving-the-toxic-UK-and- royal-family-was-the-best-thing-we-ever-did” facade. Then there’s the “Harry-and-I-are soooooo-in-love” facade. The “nothing-is-my-fault/you-are-racists” facade. The “I-am-a-doting-loving-caring-mother-who-would-never-use-her-children” facade. The “we-are-so-wildly-popular-that-people-are-lining-up-to throw-money-at-us” facade. And the “I-am-an-empathetic-concerned-humanitarian” facade.
And these are just the top of her list.
Their current overhead has to be massive, and it will only get bigger. If they are still together when Harry turns 40 abd reportedly gains control of the trust money from Diana’s estate, she will run through that faster than an Olympic sprinter.
Once the pandemic subsides and red carpet events and other facets of the jet-set life returns, it’s going to take a big chuck of money for upkeep, a stylist, clothes, jewelry, etc. Because she is a royal, she still might not be allowed to accept certain items as gifts or on loan as a lot of other celebs do.
The other problem they might encounter is tax issues, which could eat up a lot of cash.
I think they will eventually be so far in debt and burned so many bridges that HMTQ, Charles and William may not have the spare change to help them or refuse to help them.
They could easily be like major sports stars, musicians, and actors that were once flush with seemingly endless cash who end up broke.
Oprah's sounding more than a bit desperate, huh!
- HM was in Scotland, a different country from England - Crathie Church is Church of Scotland ie Presbyterian, aka The Kirk. It has the same place in Scotland as CofE does in England ie it's the Established church, with the Queen as its secular head. I can't remember what her title is.
Remember, pretty well everyone was in shock that Sunday morning when we woke up to the news that Diana had been killed.
I read that the minister was asked to carry on as planned - I believe Kirk services are more extempore, not according to a book of liturgy - the Prayer Book and its successors are anathema to many protestant Scots. The only services I've attended have turned into one-man shows featuring the minister as the star turn, much as some English non-conformist services did in the days when I was sent there on Sundays. Perhaps it seemed safer to pretend nothing had happened, in case the Minister made a performance of it.
Right from the start, I guessed the concern was for the boys. Why give priority to the sentimental who'd probably never met the woman who was no longer part of the Royal family anyway?
The arrangements were the responsibility of the Spencers, until it became clear that they weren't budging. Earl Spencer, Diana's brother, was her next-of-kin in law - and head of Diana's family, he should have brought her back. Its brutal to say it but, in law, Diana's body belonged to him and it was up to him to arrange how it was dealt with. I believe the tactful thing to have done would have been to have been a private family funeral at Althorp.
What were the Windsors to do?
Legally, Diana was no longer anything to do with them. P.Charles assumed responsibility and collected the body from Paris only when Spencer failed to do his duty. The fear was that El Fayed might step in and make things worse. Of course the focus of the RF was on the boys - they were the ones who mattered.
People don't always react to death as we think we would ourselves, nor do many know exactly what one should do by way of admin when it happens, and why. It's wise never to criticise or even pass an opinion. Unfortunately, the ill-informed and uninformed make most noise, as they did over the flag.
Croc’ en Bouche
Haz’s spiel on the crocodile
Biggest pile I’ve seen in a while
A bus load of tripe, just offal
He’s battering so hard
With his press victim card
Full on crepe, with a big serve of waffle
His urban words more aligned with a brothel..
What struck me most was the respect paid to the Elders in your culture - so different, I'm sad to say, from the attitude on Britain. Many of the young assume we are all eaten up with dementia but don't have the consideration for others that might lead us to kill ourselves. It was shocking to hear the view that Covid would wipe us out - and that'd be a good thing.
No idea that we might be able to teach them something, that we might have some wisdom to impart.
AnT thank you for giving me a
much needed laugh, perfick 👌
Maneki, your croc put a smile on my dial 😉
The Picture of Harridan Prey
A’corden to James
Haz woz up for the games
Their bus trip, an outing for two
But the look on Harry’s face
When he called back to base
Was a picture of dislike for his shrew
And not being a private matter, it should have been handled better so there was no opportunity for Tony Blair and the media to create a circus.
Handled properly, all the calls for flags and boys on parade and public addresses and semi state funerals wouldn't have happened.
A simple statement at the beginning, an acknowledgement in church, these would have sated the crowds so there were no gathering storms.
Tony Blair understood this. That is why his early statement was so effective. He spent the entire week pressing The Queen on a need to act to counter the public mood. Her response was to publicly point to protocol rather than manage the growing hysteria, and to publicly refuse to acknowledge Diana.
The family dealt with Diana's death as they'd dealt with her alive. By not understanding the public affection for her and ignoring it to their detriment.
It was a monumental failure of leadership.
WildBoar, I agree, the Queen, and family,
would have been in a state of shock.
Their priority would have been the boys welfare.
Charles Spencer appears to have not stepped
up to the mark, much like his promises
at Diana’s funeral, he was found wanting.
The Queen handled it as best she could
given the extraordinary circumstances.
Whatever her relationship with Diana was
at the time of her death I’m sure the Queen
grieved for her, and Charles, and their sons.
God Save the Queen
The Sussexes have manifested the very thing they falsely accused the UK media of doing - a negative campaign against them. Even the sugary powder puff morning shows aimed at housewives and students cover them with a degree of snark. Their active campaign to curb the press has succeeded in uniting the press against them.
They will always be portrayed negatively no matter any successes they might achieve.
Not sure if the usual worshippers are allowed in at the same time as RF? If so, it might not have been appropriate to do so. We're all equal in the eyes of God after all. What's to say another member of the congregation wasn't suffering his/her own loss at the same time and would have felt that more keenly than the death of Diana.
More importantly, it may be of some comfort to you to know that the young people in my social circle have all been very careful around the older people in their lives and are very aware of the contribution to society they can still make. Happy Saturday.
@Disgusted, my daughter attended a
Presbyterian High School.
Raffles were not allowed at the annual fete,
viewed as gambling! Rule still in place.
The Megna Blahta
The rules Meg set down
Upon fleeing the Crown
Was to live a life of self serving
She would rule from afar
Blah, blah, blah
Her delusions both psychotic, and unnerving
The Queen and the rest of the royal family did acknowledge her death. Immediately after attending church, they stopped at the gates, got out the cars, and with the children (including Princess Anne's children), went round and had a look at the flowers and cards. The people gathered there were far more respectful than the hysterical wailing mob in London.
It is stated as fact that Diana's body lay alone and neglected in the chapel. Any visits from the family would have been private and kept private. The crowd hysteria demanded that they extract every last piece of drama from every moment (the very kind of soap opera approach to life that the Sussexes exploit and that are the antithesis of what the monarch represents), and were egged on by the press and a populist (and I don't say that kindly) prime minister.
It is the same mindset that is feeding the Sussex drama.
Disgusted, hehe, my Nanna would never
hang washing on a Sunday, she was strict chapel!
And the 'source' for this story would be? The Sussexes of course. This is their PR, and it is highly disrespectful of the Queen to use her in this way. What is their message? Blissfully happy marriage, full support of the Queen, they are still royal and still represent the values of the Queen.
The Sussexes know that most people will believe this and it will be accepted and repeated as fact. They are using the Queen for their PR because they know she will not get into a PR war with them.
Sandie, my thoughts exactly.
Blair was out for himself.
The crowds would have been happy for
the Queen to prostrate herself over the coffin!
Within the order of service is a series of prayers / affirmations read aloud by the priest to which the congregation agrees aloud.
The book of common prayers has a range of these prayers / affirmations that are adapted for services on any occasion.
There is always a prayer / affirmation for The Queen in the service. It's upto the priest to include more prayers/ affirmations according to occasion. It takes less than a minute to read out a prayer / affirmation.
For the royal family in general, there is a range of suggestions within the book.
https://daily.commonworship.com/prayers.html
I'll point you to the one specifically blessing the soul of Prince Philip and Prince Charles. My priest is already including a prayer/ affirmation for PP's health within our services this week.
There is a different set of prayers / affirmations for the Scottish church, but the point remains.
When the media said Diana was not mentioned in the prayers, this prayer / affirmation is what they meant. Reading out an affirmation for her would have extended the service by 1min at most.
Instead they stuck to business as usual and only read out the prayer / affirmation for The Queen as they normally do.
How do we know that Diana was not
mentioned in the prayers?
Because the press told us so?
The royals' finally acknowledged Diana at the end of the week NOT the beginning. By the time they came out to acknowledge the flowers at Balmoral after church, Tony Blair and the media had already created a circus and everyone was cross about protocols and flags and Diana being alone at St James and most importantly media headlines had already demanded,'Show us you care Ma'am'.
These were the headlines on 3rd September 1997
https://tidesofhistory.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/grief.jpg?w=798
Here is a sample article from 4th September 1997,the day they finally showed themselves in Scotland.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-queen-bows-to-her-subjects-1237450.html
One a month later
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1997/10/09/show-us-you-care-maam/
I've no idea if it's a generational thing, or a reflection of other changes in our population structure, but we've got very mawkish.
Perhaps we were too buttoned up but the pendulum swung far in the opposite direction. Chucking flowers at the gun-carriage, into the faces of the horses, for Goodness' sake. (Fortunately, the horses of the RHA are such that the much-used term `bomb-proof' to describe a horse that isn't easily spooked almost literally applies to them, when one thinks of their predecessors in battle.)
(And what is it with the cuddly toys? Do the donors believe they'll be appreciated in the afterlife, if in fact they believe in an afterlife? We don't do grave goods. As for the balloons and windchimes in graveyards... there's nothing quite like the stink that is caused when a grieving family wants monumental masonry of such vulgarity that it's forbidden by Diocesan or Council rules. They more or less claim the Divine Right of the Family to do what they want.)
It beats me.
As for Blair, another money grubber, it's widely believed that he's been kept out of the House of Lords for his part in that awful week. Usually, former Prime Ministers are offered Life Peerages. Unfortunately, this means that none of his successors can be appointed either - the humbler former PMs continue as MPs on the back benches for as long as they electorate want them.
"How do we know that Diana was not
mentioned in the prayers?
Because the press told us so?"
It's a public service.
Both Crathie and Sandrigham are open to the public. The Queen doesn't insist on a private service when she attends these churches.
If she wants a private service, she uses the private chapels / churches in her castles / palaces.
Perhaps they expected her to Lie in State, with a guard at each corner of the coffin?
A funeral `wake' (ie overnight watch) is a particularly Irish thing I believe. Irish antique furniture includes type of domestic table known as a `coffin table' ie a sturdy, drop-leaf dining table where the central section can take the weight of a coffin. Irish Wakes have/had a poor reputation for rowdiness - the coffin sometime serves as the bar.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cheeky-prince-harry-left-diana-10850144
Throughout his life, Harry has been described as 'cheeky' as the explanation for questionable behaviour.
Makes you wonder how much more can be dug up by simply using the wayback archives for these old articles.
I bet there is a clear line between 'cheeky' Harry and that Nazi uniform.
Aquitaine, I’m well aware it’s a public service.
I was asking how do we know that prayers
were not said for Diana.
We only know because the press said so.
Were the press present at the service?
Diana's death was such an 'Event'.
More recently, 'Events' ruined Gordon Brown's premiership. I'd even go as far as saying 'events' ruined Trump's re-election just as much as 'events' made and unmade George W's presidency.
With rare exception, most churches print out the order of service for their congregation to follow. Any last minute changes are given verbally.
Any members of the public attending the church that morning would have been told about Diana's inclusion by the priest.
Any such changes would have filtered out to other churches because just like us, churches and priests like a good gossip.
As for the press, they always attend those public services.
WildBoar, when my first husband died,
car crash, he had a soldier guarding his body,
and on repatriation to the UK.
I’ve often thought of those young lads,
not a nice job.
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-6734#post-68993580
Questions Oprah should ask:
"1. We've seen some lovely photos of family celebrations with your mothers side of the family when you were younger - why didn't you invite any of these family members to your wedding?
2. Why didn't you send your father an official invitation?
3. How did you describe your upbringing to Harry for him to state 'the family she never had'?
4. I understand that Harry is deeply committed to his charity work with Sentabale, why didn't they get seats within the chapel and were seated outside when plumb seating was given to celebrity strangers?
5. Why was I invited and given seating normally reserved for family?
6. Why did you complain that Kate never took you in hand and guided you re: protocol when you have a large staff dedicated to guiding you & Harry?
7. Why do you refer the Palace staff as 'men in grey' - isn't that rather demeaning when a vast number of them are women and highly qualified?
8. Why did you struggle to follow protocol when you can clearly take direction as an actress? is it because of your dislike of taking directions from 'staff' or 'employees' or was failing to follow protocol all about riling up the public and media so you can claim to be a victim and flee to NA?
9. You stated previously that the UK made millions/billions through tourism & revenue from your grandiose wedding but are now saying that the public in the UK didn't make you feel welcome - so which is it?"
Aquitaine, must have been local press?
The London mob, apart from choppers,
would have had a job getting there on time?
Are you in the US or UK? Which churches are `most' churches? All denominations in one place or all churches of one denomination?
`Affirmation' is a very transatlantic term - I've never heard it used in an Anglican service in England but then I'm not an Evangelical or Charismatic. In responsory, the clergyperson says `Let us pray for...' , thereby announcing the `intention' and what the congregation says are called `responses', even if they function as affirmations.
Are you thinking of extra-liturgical services, not in the formal service book?
Presumably you know about Jenny Geddes?
Magatha. Local paper... that would be the Press & Journal, a paper that has an oil & gas supplement one day and then a farmers' one the next.
Thank you WildBoar, a long time ago,
but you never forget X
It's not in accordance with Calvinist theology, where either one is predestined to eternal bliss or eternal damnation. Even if it's not that stark, it can't, in their view, make any difference to the fate of the soul. It's all the Will of the Lord. Prayers don't help.
You say `priest' which suggests you, if Anglican (CofE, ECUSA or Episcopal Church of Scotland) are in the Catholic wing. I'm confused.
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Btw, 200 years ago, my husband's 3xGt-grandfather and his wife, married according to Scottish customary (ie civil) law, had to appear before the Kirk Session (ie church court) to answer the charge of being `irregularly married'. Presumably they had to do penance and then be married in the Kirk. The civil law acceptance of declaration before 2 witnesses was not good enough for the Kirk, which was trying to control all aspects of secular life.
Hence the expression `Married but nae Kirked' for cohabiting couples.
Maybe this is part of a fight back from the BRF. Both Jobson and Arbiter are likely to have connections to insiders.
Despite the PR, there has been a devaluing of the Sussexes' brand, not in one huge event, but in a slow erosion. Is there a 'release the kraken' event in the near future? Very possible considering how messy and self focused the two are - not a good foundation for building sustainable great wealth and global adoration. They are probably living well beyond their means, realistically, and their income, if any, is derived from image and PR rather than producing anything of substance. The business model that Spotify and Netflix use is not a sound one and, like the infamous pyramid scheme, could end up in disaster for everyone.
To risk using an analogy that might not stand up to scrutiny: globally, the focus is on saving the planet from global warning (the elite lecturing to everyone else); in Africa, the focus had always been on sustainable development (it is not a zero sum game). The former benefits the elite; the latter benefits communities.
Scottish Sunday pub opening is quite recent; previously, unless one was a bona fide traveller at least 3 miles from home, when one could get a drink at a hotel.
My BiL was an Kirk Elder, until I think they discovered what he was really like. He had the booze at home.
God Bless the Queen
Let’s give some thought
For the Queen that was taught
From a very young age
That her life would be fraught
By those who know naught
I’m so pleased she’s lived to a great age
Indeed!
And Wee Helmet Heid has certainly got a lot on her plate!
KatieQld, Brisbane Queensland, Australia, 4 hours ago
Hazbeen and the Matress Actress may want to offer service and duty globally, but they need to wake up to the fact the world does NOT want them. Just Go Away Puleeease
Mattress actress --- A new zinger for me.
WildBoar, my mum, after giving birth to me,
discharged from the hospital, went straight to the church,
before going home.
The baby had to be ‘Churched’
If you hadn’t been churched, they wouldn’t visit!
Re: The urban dictionary definitions
I am truly shocked that the Harkles would use these code words in a public presentation.
The Harkles need to be tarred and feathered for such a lowbrow, insulting, offensive in-joke. It's obvious these two have no decorum and no class whatsoever. It's beyond rude to their host, James Corden, and it shows a huge middle finger to everyone watching. "We're so clever and you're so stupid you won't even understand what we're saying."
You know these two are cackling over their avocado toast that the media is going on about HMtQ sending Archie a waffle maker and whether or not a child his age can say a three-syllable word. Every comment on public media is another self-perceived "win" for these two to see themselves as smarter than everyone else.
I am truly disgusted by them. They are irredeemably crass.
It's a blind spot. I get corrected on it all the time, but my brain refuses to call it something different. I don't know why.
For clarity, if i ever speak on matters of the church again, i will add the branch so my brain glitch doesn't confuse.
Thank you for your kind response about my posts recently.
Some of our youth do have issues but I think since many primary schools are run by the tribal government, there is a freedom to strengthen the mores of the community at the developmental stage.
As we all know, Native communities have struggled with several social ills, but it has been reassuring to see many, many of the newer generations step up to the plate. Covid has been a reality check of where we are headed.
Self determination as a people helps tremendously. Also, Native spirituality is quite organic which is woven into every aspect of a members life versus a staunch dogmatic approach. The results are more fluid yet still taken very seriously. The ceremonial aspect of our life still imparts a good amount into the youngsters. Family is of upmost importance, secularism is understood as a decaying force...
I am very saddened when catching up on Irish news. The decline in the youth is tragic. I blame it on the influence of main stream American cult of celebrity, the internet's dark side and the decay of their Celtic/Pagan/Catholic foundation and departing as people of the Earth, (though that has been revitalized over the past couple of decades or so).
We have some of that, but tribal life is still very private and away from such influences. I won't say more out of respect for our ways but your post got me to thinking about the whys of the sustainability of tribal life.
When home is in every pore of your being, the draw back to honoring home is very intense.
Sorry Nutties. Back on topic.
I had the same reaction as you when I wandered over to the Urban Dictionary. Coincidence? I am not so sure. Remember at the WellChild awards when Harry looked at Meghan (pregnant but still a secret) and broke down. It was reported that he broke down in tears, but it was clearly laughter. I think the Sussexes have a rather childish and sick sense of humour.
Here is an interesting article about the Duke and Duchess of Windsor:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305953/The-day-half-demented-King-Edward-VIII-flung-books-Prime-Minister.html
'Affirmations' is what we call them at home because in reality that's what you are doing, but i should think my inclusion of the proper word for them,'prayers', next to 'affirmations' together with a link showing samples made my point clear.
To me they are different from The Lord's prayer because that's a proper prayer, but the 'affirmations / prayers' are a priest chanting those lines at you, and you simply respond Amen. It doesn't feel like a prayer at all.
@Mischief Girl
I had the same reaction as you when I wandered over to the Urban Dictionary. Coincidence? I am not so sure. Remember at the WellChild awards when Harry looked at Meghan (pregnant but still a secret) and broke down. It was reported that he broke down in tears, but it was clearly laughter. I think the Sussexes have a rather childish and sick sense of humour.
Yes, to me it screams the way that toddlers delight in using potty words for insults to siblings "You poopy head!" "Pee pee butt baby!" Now that they are older (but not mature), they substitute naughty words for sex acts. Harry appears to be quite disrespectful of both his wife and grandmother.
While I do not think of myself as a moral arbiter, I cannot help but see the carnage that has evolved when people abandon thinking of God, family and community and abandon themselves to excesses that can ultimately end in their debasement and/or demise.
At https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=126620subject:
Lyr Add: Pee po belly bum drawwers
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Jan 10 - 06:38 AM
"Pee po belly bum drawers
Flanders & Swann (19??)
Originally from the album 'Tried by the Centre Court'.
Here's the published version - the lyrics were often changed to reflect topical events.
Ma's out, Pa's out-let's talk rude:
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers!
Dance in the garden in the nude:
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers!
Let's write rude words all down our street,
Stick out our tongues at the people we meet,
Let's have an intellectual treat:
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers!
What kind of talk is the Dons' delight?
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers.
What's on every newstand in sight?
Playboy - Belly - Bum - Drawers.
What TV comedy's loved the best?
What did Illingworth say at the Final Test?
What is Prince Philip's favourite jest?
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers.
Danny La Rue's in a double bill:
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers.
Christopher Robin meets Fanny Hill:
Pooh Bear - Belly - Bum - Drawers!
Kenneth Tynan has given his all
And in Oh Calcutta they have a ball ...
'Cause the higher the brow the harder they fall:
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers.
Ken Russell's filming in Regent's Park
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers,
Full Frontal Composers, Bach to Bach
Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers,
From the folk-song scene to the world of Pop
They get their words from the Porno Shop-
Things seem to start where they used to stop
With Pee - Po - Belly - Bum - Drawers!
This was used for a recent TV Documentary on Mary Whitehouse.... :-)"
To hear a recording with different words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSrXqOI9988
Over to you, chaps.
The dichotomy of the recent comments is interesting: The Sussexes with sly code words for sexual acts vs. the Queen and religious matters. We have accidentally (?) strayed into a discussion of elevated morals vs. no morals, God and family values vs. me values or as some people would characterize it, good vs. evil.
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Maybe it's just me, but most of us here are from a different era. I do remember the burn-your- bra, ERA days though I was a tween-teen. I think we still want Mayberry but unfortunately Mayberry no longer exists. We can create false versions of Mayberry like The Villages in Florida but those facades are often in Stepford Wives/Pleasantville territory. Disneyland's faux Mainstreet is fun to visit but in all reality what kind of person really wants to live there?
Is it possible the reason why we Nuttie's detest H&M is precisely because they spit in the face of everything we know to be "our norm".
The young people don't seem to have a problem with Haz$Hag. They are too busy trying to change their world's old school narrative (which I happen to like and am beginning to miss the older I get!)
Sorry to read about your first husband. I had no idea but then we know so little about other Nutties. I'm glad to see you are able to have a great sense of humour in spite of his tragic passing. (Sorry this is late, just catching up) x
I hesitated to say that it's more likely that like attracted like and water finally found its own level.
Someone who would be so uncouth as to name perverted sex acts and his grandparents in the same interview would be just the type of guy to go for Meghan Markle.
Just substitute Harry for `Louie'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whjZ6-Vz3_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T29hBG44wiU&t=46s
Does he know when Prince Phillip slams shut his laptop when ending his zoom call with Haz it's the modern equivalent of slamming a landline phone 📞 down to hang up?
Does he know PP might equate their Oprah tell all with the Fergie interview's? Or the blazing missile's disasters of Diana & Andrew?
Does he realizes if, God forgive, PP, doesn't live much longer the Queen may blame him? And that's when she'll give a nod to release HER kraken?
Why did a article state Invictus was "his" and how disappointed he was that they were pushed back until 2022? I thought because he had signed with Netflix and IG was to be filming for Amazon he couldn't help them? Did Netflix already drop them? Did Amazon make it a condition of NO to haz?
Her lemonade dress message wasn't original either. Life gives you lemons, so you make lemonade. That's been around before she was born.
I stream and all I have seen is a few burps. Nothing on CBSN. One burp was preemptived for Biden & they didn't play the story again. One time only story on another channel. Absolutely nothing about Oprah interview.
Do they not realize they were black listed BEFORE they left UK? Did they think of Disney as a easy mark to exploit? Did she think she would be playing a princess role for a Disney blockbuster? Did they miss the Disney message she needed Disney more than they needed her? It's so quiet from Disney & their companies that even the cricket's are silent.
Meghan & H rumbled over Oprah/renouncing succession/lost prestige/joke figure.
Clarence House has been handling the mail for the Sussexes, as it does for the Cambridges, and this has always been paid for by Charles, privately (not through the Sovereign Grant).
Charles has now pulled the plug on the Sussexes.
Imagine them handling their own mail? It is going to be a mess!
Oh, and the Sussexes do not have an office, but the reply from Clarence House is that there is an address on the Archewell website. Isn't that address the one for Meghan's HW lawyers? They are now going to handle fan mail?
Thanks for the notice that there is a new Lady C video. I will watch, but with a lot more caution. In her last video she claimed to have insider knowledge that Prince Phillip has a urinary tract infection. Wrong! Turns out it is an infection in a joint (but it is not divulged which one), hence the long stay in hospital.
'The process is funded by the Prince privately, and while not a significant cost, still amounts to tens of thousands a year, comprising staff costs, overheads, stationary and stamps.'
....
That's a start, may Charles continue with his economy drive.
'However, they will have to move quickly to deal with the expected deluge of congratulatory messages when the Duchess gives birth to their second child in early summer.'
"the expected deluge of congratulatory messages". Really? From who?
https://archive.vn/JaP31
Agree with all who think they are deliberately peppering their language with urban dictionary references to things most people don't know about, then sniggering about our gullibility behind their hands. Scatological "humour" rather than sarcasm is surely the lowest form of wit.
So sorry to hear about your aunt and am surprised that a UTI was so resistant to treatment. But I think that over use and random use of antibiotics have led to drug-resistant organisms that cause infections. I have had infections that required treatment with antibiotics about three times in my life. It used to be an automatic two-week minimum treatment, but the last time I was given a four-day treatment, and even previously, the specialist refused to prescribe a general antibiotic and waited for a specific diagnosis from the lab. But maybe advanced age has more to do with ineffectiveness of antibiotics against infection.
My condolences for the loss of your aunt. UTI infections in the elderly can be so very dangerous.
If I were wealthy and looking for a place to donate funds, I doubt I would consider someone who, at 36, is still laughing at and making potty jokes.
Would trust my money to a more mature individual.
Really, who is in charge of this sinking PR ship?
Bravo, Charles! Can you imagine the mess of the Harkles trying handle all their "fan" mail and march deal mail!? Ha!
Of course, they do have an elite staff of 11 or 12, don't they? Get ready to stuff envelopes, Scobie.
All EXCELLENT points. And you didn't even need your caffeine! Agree, do they seriously not know we see their were out on their cans in terms of popularity in the UK even before they scooted to LA?
And interesting point about M using Chelsy's nickname for Harry. She probably needed something new for the Oprah interview and raked through all the old press. Yikes.
@Puds,
Have really been enjoying your comments the past few days, you are both nailing it. I read something earlier this morning that was posted rom yesterday and said, "Yes, THIS!!" out loud, and simultaneously hoped someone in Buck House is reading your thoughts, and the other very thought-provoking comments here.
Just because you don't see anything in response does not mean nothing was happening.
D,TW - oooh rules about Sundays
My mother's favorite movie was Whiskey Galore aka Tight Little Island where the Scottish fisherman are all set to go salvage the whiskey off a ship wreck, they are readying the boats and they hear the chapel bell for the sabbath and spend the Sunday fretfully walking the beaches to keep an eye on their prize. A very young Gordon Jackson (Hudson in Upstairs Downstairs).
@JennS said, "HotRob did a series of commercials for Direct TV a few years ago. They were brilliant and hysterical. For each commercial, he shows up as himself AND in character as a second alter-ego loser to debate the merits of Direct TV compared to cable." ......."My favorites are Crazy Hairy Rob Lowe, Scrawny Arms Rob Lowe, Painfully Awkward RL and Meathead Rob Lowe"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQnR9t-dCY
-------> @JennS
OH. MY. GOD. These are amazing!! He is hilarious! Wow, thank you for the link (reposted above for anyone who wants a chuckle today). I want to say, (A) what a hell of a good sport and (B) what a helluva good comedic actor!! You just increased my Hot Rob fangirl level by x100. I am working on a project again today, and this was a brilliant comedy break. He totally needs a solid comedy to work in. I have never seen his 911: Lone Star program, am sure he is great in it, but oh my goodness.
Okay he needs to be the star of the new tv comedy.......As a hot movie and tv star who lives in Montecito, he gets stuck housing a lunatic narcissist ex-Duchess and former American cable bit player after her prince husband goes broke, divorces her and moves to a commune in Mexico, and the royal family boots her out of their Montecito mansion for being bloody awful and also fooling the world with a plastic doll baby. Rob finds her living in his pool house one morning, and she refuses to leave, claiming squatters' rights. She says she will go as soon as she gets a starring Marvel superhero role. Being a good guy, Rob thinks if he can get her a role in something, she'll leave. She can't act, so he tries to rehabilitate her with acting school, therapy and a good job as a shampoo girl. Unfortunately, she is too nuts for every opportunity and keeps showing up at Oprah's house yelling "Mommy?". She can't hold down a job for more than two hours, saying "Well that's how it worked on the yachts") --- and she keeps trying to get donations out of people by panhandling with her doll for Botox, and performing different model poses in front of a plastic surgeon's LA office tower. When even the Kardashians refuse to hire her to pose as Kris's new lost daughter, and the top psychiatrist in Bev Hills says she is too far gone to comprehend anything. When she is caught stealing more charity money from a church dog wash fundraiser, and begins charging dresses and jewels to his studio accounts, Rob realizes he has to get tough --- Boot Camp, factory work, persuading one of her 3 exes to come back to take her back, or persuading a very old billionaire he knows to marry her.
@magatha,
So sorry to hear about your husband. There never seems to be the right words for such an awful period in your life.
@AnT,
Another possibility about the Haz name is that Harry has been talking to Chelsey, and MM became jealous, as is her way. Maybe MM is now calling him Haz to "mark her territory."
https://www.lmct.org.uk/info-hub/latest-news/trust-pays-tribute-to-the-duke-of-sussex/index.html
The London Marathon Trust parted ways with Harry, a patron, along with the Cambridges, since January 2012, in January this year.
Harry was still considered a working royal in January 2020, and he was living in Canada and Megxit and their manifesto had not been made public. I suppose the Trust parted ways as soon as they ethically could, and the timing shows that it had nothing to do with Oprah or the announcement from the Queen.
The media in America and the UK should really counter the lies and manipulation that will be the Oprah interview with the cold hard facts.
No, Meghan did not have a victory for truth and accuracy/honest reporting reporting in her case against MOS.
And so on ...
Brilliant! Rob has the personality to pull off that exact script.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210226107780/meghan-markle-update-oprah-winfrey-interview/
The fellow Brits drank tea and ate scones as they toured LA on a double-decker bus, even stopping at the house that was used in The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Harry shared some adorable anecdotes about his little boy, revealing his son's first word and the gift Archie received from his great-grandmother the Queen.
"My son is now over a year and a half, he is hysterical, he's got the most amazing personality, he's already putting two, three words together, he's already singing songs. His first word was 'crocodile,'" Harry told James when asked about fatherhood.
He later added: "Interestingly, my grandmother asked us what Archie wanted for Christmas and Meg said a waffle maker she sent us a waffle maker for Archie so for breakfast now, Meg makes up a beautiful organic mix, in the waffle maker, flip it, out it comes, he loves it. Archie literally wakes up in the morning and says 'waffle.'"
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-6737#post-69003683
I'm also sorry for your loss. I'm just catching up from last night, and there are so many comments to go through.
I haven't read about PP yet. From what I've read here, PP has septic arthritis, and not a UTI, as Lady C said? Hmmm. Interesting. I was wondering about Lady C's " sources" yesterday in a post, and now it turns out that some of her info is wrong? I found myself getting so wrapped up in her fabulousness that it dawned on me that I wasn't questioning what she has said- until yesterday. My reporter glasses need a serious polish.