Good morning! It's a work day here and I haven't been able to delve deeply into the Sussex interview with Oprah last night, but here are a few quick thoughts:
- If we're allowed to have Halloween celebrations this year, lots of couples are going to go dressed as Harry and Meghan.
Beaten-down redhead in a wrinkled grey suit, crying pregnant (?) woman with heavily-applied eyeliner and a black dress - it's an easy costume that anyone can manage.
- Talking about how a baby will look as a balance between its parents is a pretty common thing. Speculating on the baby's skin color when you have one biracial parent is also not an unusual thing. (I'm sure there was also some discussion about whether or not the baby would be a redhead.)
Anyway, the ladies at Lipstick Alley spent a lot of time trying to figure out how "Black" the baby would be.
Apparently so did Prince Philip. It's easy to imagine him saying something stupid about it. He's 99 years old.
- It makes no sense to anyone that the baby's skin color should determine his security status. What should determine his security status - and that of his parents - is "Do you live in the UK? Or have you left the UK by choice?"
No one should expect to be protected indefinitely wherever they choose to live in the world.
At any rate, do Lady Louise and Viscount Severn have security? They're not at all Black, but they are minor children who are minor Royals, as is "Archie".
- Charles really got thrown under the bus here, apparently for cutting off his 37-year-old son from an ongoing allowance and expecting him or his wife to work for a living.
There's already a lot of sentiment for skipping over Charles when it comes to the line of succession. Will this add to this sentiment?
- The palace response will have to be a doozy.
No more "Prince" Harry, no more Duchess of Sussex, and Archie (if he exists) can just be an ordinary boy.
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I have read here and on LSA about Queen Charlotte, but the way Lady C presented it seems like aside from the regular discussions, as if it's a bit more complex than usual.
Lady C has said that before about certain members of the royal family having African blood. The amount is not much, but just think of the royals and all of the time they have spent in Africa. There has to have been some hanky panky going on.
William also took a DNA test that revealed that he has East Indian blood. He didn't hide it at all, but gave that info to the press.
I have her book about the royals and people of color. I've got a busy day tomorrow so I don't want to start a new book and stay up all night, but I'll start on it tomorrow night and report back.
In the meantime, here is a blurb about the first African queen of England:
Who was the first black queen of England?
Princess Sophie Charlotte
Princess Sophie Charlotte was born on this date in 1744. She was the first Black Queen of England. Charlotte was the eighth child of the Prince of Mirow, Germany, Charles Louis Frederick, and his wife, Elisabeth Albertina of Saxe-Hildburghausen. In 1752, when she was eight years old, Sophie Charlotte's father died.
Queen Charlotte, married to one of the Georges, was said to have perhaps African ancestry due to her facial characteristics. Also, there is the myth? that via the Spanish Kings and court that a far removed ancestor of the Queen who was related to the Prophet Mohammed, so would have had some Arabic blood.
Then, of course, Queen Victoria, "adopted" a Black girl who came to the court from a royal African family (Yorba, Nigeria). Her parents were murdered by a rival tribe and she was rescued by a British officer. The British were actively involved in trying to prevent the persistent slave trade in Africa, even after slavery was banned in England and the US.
Lavender Lady, also Lady Davina Windsor,
daughter of the Duke of Gloucester, was married
to Gary Lewis, a Maori. They have two children,
recently divorced.
There was also a New Zealander that married in, I think his wife was 24th in line back then. They have since divorced. He was maoiri I believe. (and IIRC rather handsome--or so I was told)
I did google it but got all the regular info about Charlotte and I'm turning in now. The book by LCC is on my to read list but I'd have to do an inter library loan. It's not available in my locality. I'm waiting for my second vaccine before I go in. Our library is open now and it's a bit of a process to do an ILL.
Thanks so much... Have a restful night! :)
I think it is a confusing subject because it goes so far back in history, and it was well before there were Windsors and Mountbattens. It goes back to Germany. Lady C wrote an entire book about the royals and people of color, so she wouldn't be able to explain all of it in her latest video, which was an exceptionally long one for her anyway.
Thanks for that. I'll Google it tomorrow. I'm wrecked! G'nite :)
I've no idea where the pressure to resign might come from - HM? PM? His own advisors? The Board that appointed him? Clerical appointments at this level involve the Government.
Note: it's on Blind Gossip which has been fairly reliable recently.
I know what you mean! By the way, looking it up, AofC will spend part of his sabbatical in....America. Said the Archbishop in Nov:
“I will come back, to the horror of my colleagues, full of ideas and tigerish energy and by sending people away on sabbatical we allow them
to step back to get their heads above water and stop being self-obsessed, self immersed, but to care for what they are there to do.”
He must help write Markle’s gibberish speeches.
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@jessica,
I felt like Oprah was annoyed with Megs for not delivering real,sizzling answers as rehearsed. Oprah knows the details and was peeved M didn’t deliver it all. Oprah was exceedingly fake as well.
Then, I felt like Oprah pounced on Harry eager to pin him down to reveal awful things, and she seemed ignore Megs totally at these moments which made Megs look stiffened and unsure, almost nervous—- which adds up to your point that their story points were askew and unmatched.
My other impression is that at this point in her life, Oprah has lost her famed genuineness, is a practiced clinical user of people, and the Harkles —if they are not backed—need to be ready for their expiration date with her. I know they plan to do another Oprah sit down to explain the bullying charges, but I think that might be it on the Oprah train unless this is a bigger part of their game.
Piers Morgan ripped into Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah in an appearance on DailyMailTV on Monday
'I thought it was one of the most disingenuous diatribes I've ever had to witness, an appalling series of smears against the Royal family,' Morgan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340221/Piers-Morgan-slams-Meghan-Harrys-appalling-interview-DailyMailTV.html
I have my suspicions about the AofC perhaps tumbling along with some other recent round ups and investigations. I may be 100% wrong of course. Maybe he just wants to spend lots more time in France.
Or maybe Megs offered him a PR job, lol.
While you are waiting for your books, you can check out usefulcharts on youtube. The guys do some great ancestry charts of The Windsors and indeed all of the royal houses of Europe, Asia, and other locales. It is kind of interesting to watch.
Great explanation. That makes sense. I haven’t thought too much into Oprah except ‘what does she get out of this’ and I come up empty. She stalked them for three years. That’s more than a little strange. Apparently, Ellen thought she had the interview in the bag until she was micro-cancelled by a large swath of her core group.
I, too, thought she was going for Harry’s jugular. He didn’t seem to notice, as usual. How many people must think he’s a jerk and dope after meeting him? Everyone? Lol.
I just read the RF has been prevented by the Queen from putting out a statement of love and support of the Harkles. Really? That can’t be right. Might as well just say nothing at all.
Oprah has a long track record of backing people who turn out to be liars. Examples: the person who wrote a book about making friends with a little girl in a concentration camp; the person who wrote a fake family memoir about running with scissors; there's more. Plus Oprah backed that quack Dr. Oz, and that censored Dr. Phil, who lost his psychologist license permanently in Texas for sexually abusing female clients. It goes on and on. Oprah was a guest of the RF and this is what she does? Trash and crass.
Harry saying his father and brother are trapped makes me think he's a victim of Stockholm syndrome. He's clearly out of his mind.
I think MM is in the love-bombing stage with Oprah, and Oprah is falling for it. MM will do anything Oprah asks- for now. When she's taken everything she can get from her, she will drop her and move onto another target. That's her M.O. either that, or Oprah will drop her. Two narcs are bound to come to blows.
Oprah is decades away from her journalism days, and her interview style has always been to throw softball questions.
It stood out to me that MM and Oprah were being very careful to be vague with both the questions and answers. That allowed MM to use her word salad. The optics were supposed to be just a casual sit down discussion, with some juicy parts thrown in for PR purposes. Oprah's questions were designed to make certain points stand out amid a lot of bull, and she missed lots of great opportunities for follow-up questions, by design. They didn't want anything pinned down.
They're obviously in this together, and have been planning this for a long time. I don't believe Oprah when she said that MM hadn't seen the questions first. The entire interview was very carefully planned.
That look on Oprah's face? That's a journalism ploy to keep the interviewee talking (and a bit of showbiz, acting shocked for the camera). As an interviewer, the less that you speak, the more the interviewee speaks. Pregnant pauses bring results.
You get an A+ for that post about Oprah's background. Well done!
One thing I want to add is her affair with John Tesch, who was the co-host of Entertainment Tonight. He's now a Christian musician.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340749/Oprah-Winfrey-reveals-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-chat-200-minutes-long.html
There was one person they didn’t even mention last night- Prince Phillip. I’m willing to bet he went on the cutting room floor. There was enough outrage this was air while he was in the hospital. They weren’t willing to risk air footage of these two blasting him. I don’t think he’s the one that supposedly commented about Archie’s skin tone, but there has to be something. I just can’t believe he didn’t get mentioned at all.
Whatever it is will be released either after he goes home from the hospital, or God forbid, she’ll knock his death off the headlines with it.
Meghan Markle's half-sister Samantha SLAMS her Oprah interview, accusing Duchess of using 'depression as an excuse to treat people like dishrags' - and firing back at her claim that they haven't seen each other in 20 years
Samantha, 56, who shares a father, Thomas, with Meghan, 39, unleashed a furious rant against her half-sister in the wake of her bombshell Oprah interview
On Monday morning, new clips from the interview showed Meghan discussing her relationship with her father and Samantha
She accused her dad of 'betraying her' and said that her half-sister Samantha 'doesn't know her' and claimed they haven't see each other in 20 years
Samantha shared proof to refute this claim, sharing images of herself and Meghan at her college graduation 13 years ago
Meghan also claimed in the interview clips that Samantha only changed her name back to Markle when her half-sister began dating Harry
Samantha shared evidence to the contrary, revealing that she filed a petition to change her last name to Markle in December 1997
When asked about Meghan's admission that she struggled with suicidal thoughts, Samantha accused her of using her mental health as 'an excuse'
'Depression is not an excuse for treating people like dishrags and disposing of them,' she said of her half-sibling's struggle
By CHARLIE LANKSTON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:50 EST, 8 March 2021 | UPDATED: 20:02 EST, 8 March 2021
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340681/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-ruthless-stab-heart-Family.html
Just looked after your reference to it —-A statement of “Love and support” to keep the mess from escalating!? Are they insane? I hope the Queen is thinking bigger than that!
BP staff: Sign here, Ma’am, under the bedazzled lipstick kiss we added per Charles!
Queen: Do I look farking stupid? You think I lived with Philip for 70 years without learning some hot tempered moves? Jason, William, do I look farking stupid to you, boys?
William and Jason: No, ma’am!
Queen: indeed! Have my special stationery with the ax man imprint on my desk in the morning. One has a statement to compose on one’s iPad tonight. Make sure dear Bea and Eugenie are here in the morning too, One May have some good news for them! Tell Angela one needs a hat that will look good for posterity and when One laughs and laughs on camera — oh and a great farking ring for one’s middle finger! Oh and Wills, tell Catherine she can breathe easy again, Grandmama’s at the wheel and all One shall leave shall be two little grease spots!”
Fascinating explanation of the interview and Oprah’s stance — yes, I can see that. I agree that it was heavily planned before taping, too, and your point about the flow of waffling blah blah was there to make sure certain points really popped...yes. The lack of Oprah follow up questions was so blatant by 20 minutes in, you tell this was a planned and biased program. Do you think Oprah is really for a fake like Msrkle? Well, ok, maybe.....two narcs working the narcissist game after all. An advice columnist in the DM really rips them apart by the way.
@xxxxx,
Thank you for that Samantha synopsis! Yeah, she knows her sister well enough to know she is a lying piece of work.
Hahahaha! It would be utterly astonishing if they brush over it and put it under the rug with love and support! What?! I think that would enrage the U.K.??? Of course it’s what upper class folks say to anyone having a rough time or venting: “I wish them well” as they swing their golf club and continue down the fairway. We are not talking country club chit chat and gossip between family members on the green. We are talking the Head Of State.
To bow to Meghan’s demands would be utterly absurd. Harry sealed that with ‘Charles ghosted me.’ How does Charles wish him well if he ghosted the little twerp. He wishes he’d grow up!!!
It is definitely not time to play happy families and ‘oh sorry our grandson is on drugs again, on the run with his drug dealer, what a loose cannonball silly him!’ ‘Everyone back to their regular programming please!’
If that’s their approach, say NOTHING. Let the world remain curious and Meghan remain surprised when shit hits the fan.
The statement sounds like a Charles statement. The Queen is probably questioning his ability to reign now.
Looking forward to RF strategy. I wish they did not have to respond at all but can't tell sentiment. Public is probably waiting to hear something. Somehow I do not think it will be a friend of Catherine's, from 10 years ago, who says she never saw her make anyone cry 🙄
Harry sounded like an absolute brainwashed lunatic when he spoke about not knowing he was trapped until nutmeg told him, so perhaps they want to avoid doing what she has told him they would do?
But I back Cabbage all the way, so if it's true that she is going down the We Were Not Amused route, then I am here for it, as the young folk say. We await Your Majesty's Pleasure.
I personally do not have my hopes up that Charles has found a spine; sounds more like an avoidance tactic to me.
Stay dignified please:( Let the Harkles continue their pseudo sob story until everyone loses respect and/or interest.
The Little Mermaid is being remade into a star-studded live-action film. Might Rache be soliciting a cameo role and invites to all the glitzy events for the movie? Sounds about right.
https://www.insider.com/disney-the-little-mermaid-live-action-stars-characters
Kind of delicious to leave them twisting in the wind, too.
I live in the US and totally agree.
If The Firm-less Ones are incapable of growing a spine after this horrific interview and willing to throw the British people under the bus to mollify Serena, The Biden Administration, BLM, and Oprah well, then maybe it is time for a new house on the throne. The Windsors have been putting out Hairy and Meghan 'we love you' messages for a year now and look where it has gotten them.
And I am grateful to be able to say that out here. Thanks, Nutties, for this wonderful forum. And heartfelt condolences to so many on this page who have lost loved ones to suicide. It’s appalling the hurt and pain M is causing. Where is Karma?
Come to think of it, even Charles may be feeling some PTSD after this TV interview - over two decades after the first one upended his life. H is such a shitty person. And it might seem petty but his seated posture during the O interview REALLY annoyed me!
I want the bed (does Hot Rob come with it?) and the carpet under it!
Does it look to anybody else that he and the Harkles share a common path to the beach? He may have become tired of running into them. I don't blame him for moving, but please. Hot Rob, write a book about what you saw at Mudslide Manor!
So, that's two stars who've moved since The Harkles arrived. Ellen sold her Montecito house, too. Maybe Oprah will move, too!
I saw it on Instagram but can't link to it. It's also black and white, with the same tree from the previous photo, and Prince Harry and a doll in attendance.
I'd describe it all the outrageous detail it deserves, but that wouldn't come close to doing it justice. Nutties, you all have to see it for yourselves! I have NEVER beheld a better illustration of malignant narcissism than that. It is simply insane.
Yep. The RF’s options are:
1. Public statement from the Queen saying “You are much loved members of the family..” blah blah. Everyone knows this is now crap. If regular people are insulted and angry on behalf of the RF, then imagine how the members of the RF must be feeling within the palace walls. Not to mention their staff who dedicate their lives to the monarchy.
2. Go nuclear and rip the titles and all association forevermore. This plays into the Harkles’ victim narrative and makes the RF look sloppy and late to the game.
3. Stay quiet. Keep calm and carry on.
Is there anything else they can do? Genuinely asking. I used to work in PR and this is such a case study!
But I also think that this is just part of the media cycle. It's very good for the media to have waves of people outraged by the story. And it will be just as great for them, if any tea "spilling" footage or other evidence of narc rage comes to light, and waves of others push back against the first group. We may be getting drowned out today, but what shall tomorrow bring?
He doesn’t want them to get out of the Monarchy, he wants them to stay trapped so he can burn their castle to the ground with MeAgain. Harry literally thinks he married a genius and because of her, he got out of the anti-woke monarchy and all is bad there. Scary stuff. Ben Shapiro has a clip of it on his YouTube/podcast daily thing he does.
I don’t feel sorry for Harry anymore. Anyone willing to bash their family publicly like this is a bad person. Full stop. And I know some crappy families. Notice nothing actually happened to these two morons. They wanted to leave the Firm and merch tacky Royal items. Everything else is victim and excuse and cover for being shameless capitalists. Basically, the worst kind of liberal because they aren’t liberal at all. I don’t even know what they are? Borderline criminal?
They might encourage the aids to bring criminal charges against Meghan for the tea, as well as file lawsuits for personal injury (re:ptsd). It would be a monarchy first, but then facts would come out in the wash and they’d ruin Meghan financially with 12 simultaneous cases. Then the RF can avoid the entire debacle and claim the continue to love and support Harry Archie and Diana Jr.
Megs knows all about “Happy Endings”
It’s how she attained her position...
The pinnacle of pole vaulters!
@NukedDuke: I'm with you at 6:52 am. The RF needs to not respond to Hostage Harry and Markle. Let The Harkles dig themselves all the holes they want, the deeper the better.
"My brother is trapped, my father is trapped." What did Harry join, a Hari Krishna group? He sounds like a religious fanatic. There used to be interventions/kidnappings for such individuals to bring them back from their sick fantasies to realities. For Harry, being so public, it's best to let him remain a captive of whatever fantasy he's enthralled with, i.e., Markle. She's quite poisonous. A viper.
@jessica,
I like your idea of having the aides bring workplace offense charges against them. That removes the BRF from being put in the position of being aggressive or attacking.
I (unfortunately) have been following this since they quit the royal family:D I saw the engagement interview and was like “hmmm...something’s off about their behavior.” But I assumed it was because she’s an actress and was probably trying to tone down the drama (LOL!) and he was just nervous/excited. And the next thing I became aware of was the newspaper headlines saying this couple have quit the RF. I then fell into the crazy rabbit hole of Markle’s shenanigans, and now am a weathered watcher of this tragic saga lol.
Anyway, I did consider one option as the BRF systematically debunking each of her allegations WITH RECEIPTS (while also releasing the info they have on her). Basically a Holmes-like methodical takedown of each of her lies. Would they be able to do that? I think if they do respond publicly, such a clearly fact-based approach would be best. No emotional pleas, no calls for reconciliation. Just cold hard facts with proof. This is very difficult to do, since many of her accusations are (deliberately) unprovable. Plus, there may be some truth to her stories (for example, Camilla may have said “oh I love your complexion, I wonder if your baby will be dark skinned!” They then heard that Archie would have no titles, And M opportunistically twisted it all to say this is because of that. So how will the BRF unravel that mess?) But I wish they would do it, it would be so brilliant. And it would put an end to her poor me act.
Also, like you said, it would be awesome (and cathartic) is M got sued by the RF! Or even by the British public. But it’s a different country with different rules. So it probably won’t happen.
"As far as the baby color discussion - the odd part of that story is that it came from Harry. MM must have him seeing racism around every corner for him to believe that someone in his family actually spoke in a biased manner about his child - one that I might add we don't really know actually IS his child or even IF he exists! I'm sure various family members and staff could speak on the attitude of the family towards MM.
IMO the RF would not have allowed the wedding to happen if they were racist and as others have said MM is so light-skinned I can't imagine anyone think"
My comment: I suspect the reason Rache and Just H said it was not HMTQ or Prince Philip that made the comment about Archie's skin was because HM was the one to give them permission to wed. Additionally, HM's decisions would presumably reflect Prince Philip's opinion. Presumably. Or they are avoiding a PR disaster by targeting an ailing man. So, the Sussexes are implying they got permission to wed but there are racist family member(s) against the marriage and all their progeny.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/pregnant-meghan-markle-holds-son-archie-new-baby-bump-pic/
As for Archie being able to warn their parents to drive safe, this is one of the couple's sick games, like dropping "crocodile" and "waffle" to the media. They probably wished to denote Diana's car accident, the Palace's supposedly involvement, and that they are aware they might be target for a similar death because (in their minds) they "unveiled" the royal family. All in one go. I know, it's twisted and sick, but that's who they are. They say without saying; they make others act out - etc.
The interview did buy them sympathy. I got friends who disliked her before this. They believed her everything she said and accused the RF of. I tried to explain to debunk some of the issues she said like the Archie not getting a title and the just the 3 of us wedding. But they insisted the RF are snobby and racist and they couldn't handle Meghan who is feisty and is a strong and independent woman. They said the RF is treating Meghan the same way they did Diana.
Why Harry is now saying it wasn't HM or PP...@Charade could be right it's because HM gave permission for the marriage. Or it could be even Harry is leery about appearing to target a hospitalized 99-year old. But I think it could be because Harry doesn't want HM to 100% know they are lying. The Queen would know she didn't say it. She would also be pretty sure (I think) if PP said it.
While HM knowing Harry was lying isn't something she can use publicly (she can't say "I never said that!") it would be proof in her heart that might influence her decision-making going forward. (Like @JennS said, her will, for example.) But as it is, like everyone else, she can't be sure it wasn't said. So far I've seen people suggesting it was Camilla, Eugenie, Anne, Kate, Will or Princess Michael (who isn't a senior royal and neither is Eugenie.) Remember they also never would say who introduced them or who M's doctors were. I think for the same reason-- too much chance of being caught in a lie. I can imagine Will saying it if he and Harry were close. Not in the way it's been presented but with a few exceptions, people constantly point out how much his kids look like Kate or her family. Some say Charlotte looks like HM (I don't see it) but many have said how much she favors Pippa. So it could have come up that way.
I don't know what can be said by the RF. I agree it can't be bickering on the world stage. I'm thinking about it.
One thing I've wondered about is - how they would go about presenting all these facts and receipts. I've been reading people's comments all over and it will take a lot to get some folks to believe the RF did NOT do what the Sussexes claim. Should the RF speak out or release statements and documents? How would they do this?
Lol I think it would turn into a multi-volume series of books! Explaining what she said, and outlining what actually went down and providing proof - for every accusation she has hurled like Molotov cocktails into the palace. Phew. I do not envy the position of the decision makers at the palace now.
I actually don’t know about the lawsuit possibility; I just think it wouldn’t be a good use of time for the RF. Has the RF ever sued anyone before? What precedent will it set if they decide to start now? Every decision they make has historic consequences, and MM with her selfishness and narcissism has forced them to possibly rewrite many royal rules to protect themselves. I imagine the next “outsider” marrying into the RF will be scrutinized more than anyone before. Others will have to pay for M’s actions, while she, thus far, has scooted away not just scot-free but with the goodwill and support of millions of uninformed people. She’s actually the evil witch and the queen is the heroine of this story, but the media has it “in reverse” as M would say.
As much as I would like to see Will smack both of them in the face, I think they shouldn’t respond officially nor quickly. The advice of spin doctors and lawyers is already at work but I think they should consult a top psychiatrist too. The staff of joke and woke can be decisive. Maybe it’s time for the British parliament to get involved? The constitutional monarchy is at risk. This is a cultural war but also a psychological one. Chaos and division are exactly what they want.
'what we across the pong '
A typo, obviously, but it is true, there is a foul stench emanating this side of the pond all the way from SoCal
I can see the point, but Oprah's failure to interject with the facts about titles and protection - which with the most cursory preparation would have been known to her - means that Meghan's version is out there, festering and misleading people.
Maybe a dry, factual statement would be best, not engaging with the mental health aspect but just acknowledging them and providing 'clarification' on some points.
At all costs they must not put out yet another appeasement statement. Even Neville Chamberlain only flew to Munich once. His mistake has never been forgotten.
Yes, it may be the only option to calm American opinion, but the Queen has to think of her subjects first. Who welcomed Meghan. Over £30M of our money was spent on a wedding Meghan apparently thought was for our benefit alone. We watched nearly another million be spent on badly-fitting, badly-chosen, merched clothing. We were lectured on the environment with the utmost hypocrisy. Lectured on kindness and compassion by a couple who have shown anything but.
We are now told that she made absolutely no effort to prepare herself for royal life and that we are now racists because we weren't happy with the resulting s***show. That we paid a fortune for.
If BP think this is the time for yet more conciliation, then yes, the Royal Family is in deep trouble with the people. I am an ardent Remainer who resents the Brexiteers' appropriation of Churchill. We need some of his independent 1940 spirit now. Stand up for what is right.
Sigh. So much depends on the BRF’s response now. Are they up to the task of steadying the ship (and calming the narrative, demonstrating their wisdom), or will they lose control and allow these violent and blind-to-history cultural forces to call the shots? It’s getting too stressful lol
Of all the things I detest about M, number one is the fact that she had such close access to so much incredibly fascinating history and culture, and she just spat at it and flounced. She got to mingle with literal historical figures (HMTQ) and somehow didn’t even feel a microscopic bit of thrill or gratitude. I would love to get one tour of Windsor Castle or one encounter with the Queen, but here is this madam who had it all and fucking tossed it away. (I personally believe they were ~gently~ pushed out and didn’t really “step back” or whatever, but still: the reason they were pushed out is her atrocious behaviour). I think her sense of entitlement actually grew after she witnessed how polite and genteel everyone was (polite circles). She thought she could walk all over them. And so far it certainly looks like she has.
It’s an opinion piece. I’ve cut it to the main points but it’d be better to read the whole thing. It seems to me that the Woke Social Justice Warriors now screaming at us would do well to ask themselves if their energy would be better directed elsewhere, at home.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/oprahs-interview-prince-harry-meghan-022857584.html
It describes the astonishment, nay incredulity and shock, with which the Brits greeted the ads for medicine
"Oprah's interview with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle didn't just expose the royal family - it also revealed just how the broken US healthcare system is.
Viewers from the UK were shocked by how many pharmaceutical ads ran during the American broadcast
(They asked why so many ads were about pharmaceuticals)
The answer is just as ridiculous as the existence of the ads themselves. The United States' healthcare system was constructed on the idea of making money. Helping sick people is just a side effect.
Money is the motive
It's easy to forget just how messed up the US healthcare system is - we Americans have lived with it our whole lives, which makes it "normal" - but the reaction to pharmaceutical advertisements by people living in Europe illustrate just how convoluted the American arrangement is.
"American adverts make me feel like I'm in some post-apocalyptic world" one viewer tweeted.
That's because in the UK, the vast majority of people's healthcare is administered by the National Health Service (NHS). When you get sick, you go to the doctor and are cared for at no cost "at the point of use," meaning that the service itself is subsidized by taxes, but the actual care is free. If you are sick, you go to the doctor and are treated at no cost. If you have an accident, you are delivered to the hospital and operated on at no cost.
You don't need insurance in the UK because it is provided through the NHS. Some supplemental insurance can be added, but only 10.5% of UK residents have that extra insurance.
Since the government is the almost exclusive buyer of medicines, the NHS negotiates a rate that it pays pharmaceutical companies and then provides the medicines to NHS users. Therefore, there's no reason for pharma companies to aggressively advertise, and, in fact, these types of direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical ads are banned in the UK.
Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical industry raked in $1.3 trillion, with a "t," in 2019.
And on top of these drug costs, American also have to deal with soaring insurance premiums and high, uncertain costs for basic needs, like ambulances.
It makes sense how dumbfounded UK viewers were when they saw American commercials for medication. They live in a system that doesn't penalize you for something you cannot control.
The need for an American universal healthcare system, like Medicare For All, only intensifies with time. As long as our healthcare system prioritizes profit over people, we will continue to look ridiculous to the rest of the world.
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I didn’t watch the interview but I’ve read the majority of “bombshells” from it.
It’s 10:30am in the UK and at 8am this morning Thomas Markle was on Good Morning Britain with Piers Morgan - I don’t know if anyone caught it? I felt really sad watching it - Thomas Markle looked old and didn’t really speak well (he may have been intoxicated?) but it really is a sorry state of affairs for him. I don’t necessarily think he was right in speaking out but you can sense his desperation. The interview was live and he said “the colour comment is bullshit” or something along those lines, Susannah the host along with Piers had to apologise for his language.
I am hoping that the Palace release their statement soon and we can move on from this soon...I feel exhausted just reading all the articles and comments everywhere. I think a lot of people on my social channels etc. are very sympathetic to Meghan and Harry, particularly regarding the suicide comments...actually I do feel a level of sympathy for them too, if the felt that level of sheer desperation. But I do think there is more at play it that is being overshadowed by those revelations.
I’m so surprised that M&H and Oprah, didn’t address anything in the interview that they held their hands up to (for example, private jets and lecturing on carbon footprint) I really think it would have made them seem more human if they could have held their hands up and said that they haven’t gotten it right 100% of the time either.
I really think they need to offer more context around the race “skin tone” remark, it is a huge accusation to tarnish an entire institution in which no context was given on whether it was a derogatory comment or just a clumsy and ignorant one.
I have no idea where Harry & Meghan go from here? I can’t believe they didn’t use their Oprah platform to talk about some positivity and upcoming projects.
Let’s see what today holds....
I just can't believe that Megz has got this far without backers. Someone must have helped out and continues to do so. If Bill Gates and the WEF seem to be quite close to the heir apparent, then who would be battling them to be head of "the big club and you ain't in it." Is this just a power struggle for who gets to dictate to the 99%?
Thanks, DoTW, I hadn't picked up on the Iwerne camps connection - not Stowe but Winchester was the school that got fingered in the reports I read.(I'm relieved our Wykehamist Chancellor is a Hindu!)
http://survivingchurch.org/2020/05/22/iwerne-camps-all-change/
I was subjected to much Bible bashing in my teens, including having concerned friends having earnest talks with me about what might happen to me after death if I persisted in `believing in evolution'. It was all `sola scriptura' and `penal substitution'. I, though, go for what a Vatican astronomer once said -
`Never compromise your intellectual integrity for the sake of your religion'
(and a very learned friend has much to say about the 2 doctrines I mention here.)
Hence my scepticism of Evangelicals and Charismatics.
(Husband, on his laptop next to me, watching thermal images of how the ground is heating up in SW Iceland, has just read out a report that JW's sabbatical starts in May and he'll be in Cambridge & US during this time.
I'm sure Welby means well but... Watch out for him, US Nutties!)
I recall a few years ago, in the US there were strikes and protests all over because of wages. I am a single parent, and the only income in my household, and I can do just fine on my own salary. Not to mention the vaccines coming out for coming 19 were developed by pharmaceutical companies collaborating behind the scenes and sharing information.
We regret any misunderstanding over titles for Harry and Meghan's children. As Harry should have known, based on George V's 1917 letters patent Harry's children do not qualify for the title of prince/princess at this time. Of course, as most citizens of the UK know, a person's skin color plays no role in the awarding of a royal title. We do regret over-estimating Harry's level of knowledge of protocol and the monarchy and further regret that his lack of knowledge appears to have hurt Meghan.
As previously announced, we hope to learn lessons from the bullying probe that has already commenced. We also intend to learn lessons to allow us to proactively identify any knowledge deficits similar to Harry's in present and future working royals.
We wish Harry and Meghan well in California and hope they find whatever they are seeking.
Speaking of clever scientists, sounds like a productive day chez battle maid. Wise words indeed from the Vatican astronomer. I sit on the fence in such matters (but feel Sikhism could be an interesting religion to know more about). I am trapped in a household where hubby faces East and daughter seems more interested in the Alpha course!
I know what you mean. It seems unlikely but could a Z-list American social climber destroy the monarchy?
She won’t but the entitled brat called her husband just might. This is an inside job. The betrayal is coming from within. He turned on his family because they wouldn’t let him be top dog nor would they let him run wild. The palace PR machine has worked 24/7 to polish the image of this petulant man child and they did a brilliant job. The American public are not relevant to the monarchy. The BRF should absolutely not be worried about them. The commonwealth legacy of TQ speaks for itself regarding any racist accusations. No need to respond. She can blab all she wants. She is an outsider and always will be. Hapless is the real problem. He is paranoid and believes he is avenging his late mother. Needless to say- and I am not a Diana fan - that she performed her duties for a decade before trashing her husband. But never the monarchy. Oh the irony: Diana was stronger than Megalo the independent feminist!
Again, his obsession with his mother and the inexistent similarities he strongly believes between his mother and his trashy wife are the problem. It’s all so twisted and sick.
Woke and Joke may be trying to burn the castle down but what they never have anticipated was - and still is - the growing sympathy and admiration for the Queen and the Cambridges. This drove them crazy and still does. We’re not the bad mean ones they are!!! It didn’t work and Megalo has been marinating in her anger and hatred and had to spill out her venom. Even PC came out in a good light when Hapless said his father cut him off financially. This was meant to show PC as a cruel heartless father. Well, it didn’t. Not in the UK where all of this matters.
I saw the faces of these host from CNN’s show this morning. They think because there’s only silence from the Royal Family and that they’re going business as usual, it means the RF is guilty. Why isn’t anyone educating these hosts on how the Royal Family operates? The Royal Family doesn’t comment on personal issues. How come they couldn’t get any unbiased Royal reporter to explain about how in the Church of England, you can’t marry with no witnesses present. Why don’t they show a Wikipedia entry about George V’s Letters of Patent on who automatically gets the titles by birth and that Archie gets a title when Charles becomes king? Why don’t they ask how Meghan was able to attend her glitzy New York baby shower if the RF confiscated her passport? That is not gossip. There were photo evidence of that party. Why isn’t any of these news outlets asking why Harry is pissed at getting cut off when in their manifesto, they stated they wanted to become financially independent? What happened to the privacy they wanted?
I am very aware of the costs of research and clinical trials and the time it takes them to get any sort of return on their investment, to say nothing of the financial risks involved. (My only actual contact with the industry was on the packing line of a local firm as a student holiday job - boring! My only entertainment was trying to translate the labels on horse medicine destined for Greece.)
Hoorah for evidence-based practice!
(btw, I think I've found another narc indicator - if they get angry with you when you resist them urging you to try homeopathy. 2 of them have done it to me. They've never heard of double-blind trials. Yes I know HM & PC go for it - I just think she has a cast-iron constitution, supported by fresh-air exercise in all weathers!)
For those UK nutties who remember "Yes Minister", this is the time to wheel out Sir Humphrey Appleby. A rapier thrust in every sentence, but so smooth it's like anaesthetising someone before you pick their pocket.
@Jessica, I understand your reaction. In addition to all of her greed, deceit, cruelty, etc. she's making a mockery of all the real pain so many of us have felt. She has no authentic empathy for any human being. No wonder she was such a terrible actress.
What's so disturbing is that others fall for it, & Megs' poison becomes fuel for others who are just as poisonous. They are just as non empathetic, & turn themselves into virtual lynch mobs. There's no compassion for others. Megs has no compassion for others. The woman thinks an ice cream stand will placate people she's abused? How insulting. Was she dealing with 5year olds?
Megs was 37 when she allegedly complained to palace HR. Her publicists said she was worth a few million when she married Princess Harry. She was perfectly capable of picking up the phone & calling her own psychiatric help, like any normal person of means. Who goes to HR for something so serious? The royal apparatus, as she well knows, is well versed in making things go away. If she wanted to admit herself to some psychiatric facility, they would have had no problems dealing with it. She had many unexplained disappearances in her brief stint as a royal. That is a completely unbelievable assertion.
Interestingly, after recovering from the shock of seeing someone being allowed to blatantly lie without question on network tv, I began to feel that Megs might be going on to a next level of cray-cray. I had thought she was like a certain famous politician, who seems to use outrage to get attention, but is actually fairly shrewd. Megs seemed to reveal a real pathology, which surprised me. We may start to see her publicly unspool. Sadly, if that happens, & it's revealed that all Megs' talking head enablers have hidden her true character, people will mistrust the press even more, & more sadly, people will tune out the stories of those who have been truly victimized. Victimization cries can only go so far. If everyone's a victim, even millionairesses married to royalty, what's the point?
There was a financial scandal around Elf Aquitaine, apparently, but Welby had left them before this.
Was it in hope of getting her own back on the complainants? Would that be it?
Bad food and big pharma work hand in hand. Ad for McD followed by one for diabetes meds. Sickening.
I just can't believe that Megz has got this far without backers. Someone must have helped out and continues to do so. If Bill Gates and the WEF seem to be quite close to the heir apparent, then who would be battling them to be head of "the big club and you ain't in it." Is this just a power struggle for who gets to dictate to the 99%?
I don't think that it is fast food so much as the governmental-approved, nay, heavily pushed, food pyramid with oils and hydrogenated vegetable oils and carbohydrates being pushed as the healthier alternative to animal meat products and fats. The results were (and are) obesity and diabetes. The first results were seen years ago in the Native American population whose traditional foods were replaced with staples such as wheat flour and beans. Fry bread and refried beans may be delicious but, for a population that had thrived on different traditional foods that were lower carb, it has had a disastrous effect on health.
Now, as to whether she has backers intent on overthrowing/removing the monarchy and England's national identity so as to make it more amenable to the global agenda, I've always thought that she was an agent of such. Not that she is the one that made the plan or even enacted it, but she is an agent of chaos wherever she goes.
@Wild Boar Battle-maid
Mentioning casually that she went to HR stood out for me too. I wonder if it’s not her twisted way of saying that she too complained to HR and was not heard. This whole stunt of suicidal thoughts reeks of desperation and a way out of the bullying accusations.
On a side note, the headlines from the NYT and WP today are nauseating. I couldn’t bring myself to read one single article. I am gobsmacked by the American press’s lack of knowledge and the perversity of seeing everything from a racial perspective.
Disgusted Tunbridge Wells - i think there is something about Webly and that summer camp scandal may be just part of it. He sure did have a very quick rise in the church. I think MM brought him up as a threat (I have receipts threat)
I read somewhere that there is tape of her going ballistic on Kate at the fitting. maybe thats why she brought it up - she knows what really happened and is trying to get ahead of that story. Remember Narcs will take that grain of truth and turn it around. Also makes it like this stuff just stews in her head forever, she cant move beyond the perceived slights
saw this morning that someone asked PC about the interview and he just laughed and walked on. Go Charles - he may emerge ok in all of this.
I'd also point my finger at glucose/fructose syrup.
We're not good at dealing with large quantities of fructose at a time, I've seen it blamed for the internal `suet' that accumulates within the abdomen and becomes metabolically active. At least good ol' sucrose takes time to digest- but it's more costly for the manufacturers.
`Lo fat'? Don't make me laugh, it's often more like `Hi sugar!' or `Now with water added!'
I got the impression that carb-loading was originally intended for endurance athletes, marathon runners and the like, not for those who sit down most of the time.
I could do with losing some fat, but it's mostly subcutaneous
Who believes that Archie can say `Hydration'? Can H even spell it?
Claimed it'd drive her to suicide if HR didn't ignore the complaints?
I sincerely hope you are right. It’s exhausting to see headlines like Two Black women took down the monarchy (can’t remember the exact title)! Other than creating chaos and divisiveness, what’s the point??
@Ava C
Yes she has planned all of this since the beginning. Doria and Oprah seem to have been part of the plot too. They are all racists. Let’s sully their names and take them down.
Did anyone watch Shallon Lester's video reacting to the interview. She basically called Meghan out on her "bullshit" and "victim mentality."
Of course, the next day, Lester's Instagram comments were full of Meghan supporters putting forward compelling, well-researched and articulate arguments like: "Girl, this isn't it."
I think the main reason Meghan's narrative has been so popular is that a lot of people genuinely see themselves as powerless victims, too. Or as Lester would put it, like prey. And if you're prey, you don't survive through your own skills, but through getting more powerful people to feel sorry for you.
saw this morning that someone asked PC about the interview and he just laughed and walked on. Go Charles - he may emerge ok in all of this.
That's a fantastic "response"! He already got a PR boost from the implication that he has stopped funding the Harkles.
And if anyone asks him why he isn't taking his own son's calls, well, there's the elephant in the room that is his daughter-in-law not taking her own father's calls.
Thanks! I wish...but if wishes were horses...
I can see a bit of softening would be good.
I don't think I can do it as an American but maybe changing Harry's "lack of knowledge" to "was unaware of the 104-year old protocol" or some such.
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I don't believe M went to HR. I expect that detail was added when the bullying claims came out. Nobody who is seeking serious psychiatric help seeks help on the job from HR. HR is not an advocacy group for individual employees (even if M was considered an employee.) And most HRs operate on a fairly loose "need to know" model. Sometimes employees are referred to EAPs (Employee Assistance Programs) or can seek those out without going through HR. But even that often isn't a first choice if the person has any other options like money because of confidentiality concerns. And handling clinical depression and/or suicidal ideation is beyond the scope of most EAPs.
Why didn't she look in a telephone book or online? Call a hotline? Like maybe the text mental health helpline the Sussexes say they helped launch with W&K?
Tells HR she's suicidal over what her aides had said, so deal with it!
HR is nonplussed - staff who are justifiably miserable on one hand and the prospect of a dead duchess on the other. What to do?
Answer: ignore the complaints. M. then twists it to say they ignored her cry for help - implies she's been treated like the lowliest employee of a big corporation that doesn't recognise any unions.
Boom! Boom!
The whole richard palmer - all the contacts at the palace had their phones off all day. I have no doubt that was planned to give the idea of a crisis. i seriously think this playbook was already in play, we are just now seeing it, especially when Harry said they were cut off last year
This is how Jason Knauf concluded his email about the bullying of staff.
Megalo and Hapless are referred to as principals, not employees. So why go to HR??
lol — your idea that the BRF have an opening so invite Samantha in is so brilliant I am praying they do it.
Let’s also have them make Hot Rob the Duke of Upper Sussexbottom. He’s cool & his dad’s a canny top attorney, he’ll know how to roll.
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Also, most of Tech is Jewish: Dell, Microsoft CEO, Oracle, Google, Facebook, the list in that group doesn’t end.
Why on earth Harry would pick a racism fight is beyond me??? Meghan is the chaos stirrer here. She knows Harry will be left out to dry. It’s an entire set-up.
Think about it? What is she doing? Creating headline Chaos, deliberately. She wants to be chased by photographers and victimized. She wants to divorce Harry when it all ‘becomes too much’ and she has ‘nowhere else to go’.
Also, Meghan’s dad was correct in pointing out Cali has far more race problems than the U.K.
@Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells Yes, cooking from scratch is so healing to the body. I think society has devolved the more people don't know how to cook for themselves.
@Enbrethiliel That is such good news for PC. Him not taking Harry's calls raised my respect for him as well. Harry is horrible. He's either a huge idiot which in itself is a liability or a nasty brat that cosigns to pathological lying and victimhood.
LOL @jessica :) People in glass houses should never throw rocks. Harry is an idiot with a nasty streak. Look at what happened to Mel Gibson and John Galliano...
"And to Our dear grandson Harry, I bequeath the sum of £1.00. He knows why."
Why not the sum of 1 US dollar, for extra shade?
I finally found a link to the new "family" photo! Everyone, behold the narc to end all narcs . . .
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/pregnant-meghan-markle-holds-son-archie-new-baby-bump-pic/
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I just looked at the comments on the US article. All scathing. Seems everybody hates Meg.
Charade, do you know the "why not both" gif?
Yet again Oprah let it pass. Oh to have replied "Why HR? You could have had immediate access to any mental health organisation in the country. No waiting list for you."
Also, there is the screamingly obvious point that Meghan wasn't an employee. Come on Oprah. You could have at least TRIED to show you were thinking rather than just enabling.
That is such good news for PC. Him not taking Harry's calls raised my respect for him as well.
What really raises my respect is that the information didn't come from him. He had every right to clear his name among everyone who believed that the "Bank of Dad" continued to fund the Harkles despite their bad behavior. But unlike his daughter-in-law, he seems to know what the concept of privacy actually means and kept a classy silence. And I guess he knew that telling the truth might make him look petty.
Then along came the Duke and Duchess of Unforced Errors, clearing his name for him. No wonder he laughed!
“... Why didn't she look in a telephone book or online? Call a hotline? Like maybe the text mental health helpline the Sussexes say they helped launch with W&K?...”
She was pregnant at the time so she could have easily contacted her obstetrician without anyone even knowing it was for mental health reasons.
For everyone else's enjoyment:
The answer as to whether Harry is either a huge idiot or a nasty brat that cosigns to pathological lying and victimhood.
https://youtu.be/vgk-lA12FBk
"And to Our dear grandson Harry, I bequeath the sum of £1.00. He knows why."
Reminds me of Jackie O and her reported $140M or whatever it was. Leaving nothing to her sister but a sentence in her will. Her sister needed the money too.
LOL I can almost see her nearly fainting from the pain all of this has inflicted on her! Queue the crocodile tears!
Racism is the word to shut down any argument. If you disagree with anyone of a different race, then you are a racist and there is no defense.
Social media is a bully pulpit. People are very brave behind their keyboards. With the right keystrokes and a large number of followers, someone can cause a lot of damage without any risk to themselves. No consequences.
Just my two cents. I'm patiently waiting to see what the response will be--if any--from the Palace.
Release the Kraken!! :)
Ariel and Eric have done more harm than good to their already tarnished reputations. They won't get the big bucks from Netflix and Spotify as they are not capable of producing content. Now the interview with Oprah is over there's not much left for them to do. They should go tend to their chickens, looks like they counted them before they'd hatched - and one even pooped on Ariel's shoulder.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/09/silence-not-an-option-for-buckingham-palace-over-harry-and-meghan
I think they're right but it has to be dry, factual and dispassionate.
It has the photo of that day Meghan went full Wallis Simpson on the balcony of BP. One of the few outfits of hers I liked in itself but it was far too dark, severe and challenging among the other royals. Like the time she went to a summer wedding with Harry, predominantly in black with a black hat with black feathers, like a moping crow.
What is it with her wish to be the spectre at the feast? Same with her black dress on Oprah, in a beautiful sunny garden. She's the wicked fairy who arrives at the christening to curse the baby princess. I'm sure she wasn't very kind to OUR little princess.
Totally agree with your statement!
"She was pregnant at the time so she could have easily contacted her obstetrician without anyone even knowing it was for mental health reasons."
True. I think I said that on another post but maybe I just thought it. I mentioned the text helpline because supposedly the Cambridges' and the Sussexes were involved in getting that set up that in the fall after the wedding. (Went live in May 2019)
Another reason I am sure she's not telling the truth about going to HR-- She claimed she didn't even tell Harry how desperate she was until the night of the sparkly blue dress event. Said she didn't want him to know. Even if she thought she was an employee (she didn't but let's pretend) and the "company" is headed by her husband's grandmother, there's no way she'd think the HR Dept would keep it a secret from her husband and probably his grandmother if she came in and said she was suicidal. I don't care how dysfunctional a company is, no one would think an HR would keep her secret under those circumstances.
Markle has got what she wanted all along, Attention on a world-wide stage. She's also getting public support from celebrities, and people with some power. Markle is finally eclipsing Harry in grabbing attention, interest, and sympathy. If Markle can continue to work and ride this wave of world-wide sympathy, she can be strategizing her next moves.
The Royal Family needs to remain silent unless they are going to unleash the Furies with absolute proof of Markle's lies and viciousness. Silence is their best defense.
And remember, mainstream media, her obstetrician was of her choosing. She said no thanks to The Firm’s doctors and selected her own, yet she said she could not get mental health care.
Spare me! The dissonance is beyond me. Even my superwoke children, who think monarchy is ridiculous, agree that Meghan’s attempt to link denial of princehood (at this time) and security, given clear guidelines and precedent with other, superwhite grands, with a question about skin tone is a complete breach of logic. They would love to talk about utility of monarchy but not in this context.
Never mind the Harkles cannot even get the timing of that anecdote aligned, and I daresay Harry didn’t want it to come up. Do you want to tell me, Oprah, that you would not engage in conversation about what skin tone the baby of a ginger and a biracial person might have? It is interesting and seems a perfectly reasonable question within family conversations. Just like my in-laws wondered whose nose my kids would inherit. I am certain that if the question was asked, it was not in context of princehood or security for the Harkles’ kid.
Who will call them on it?
The wife of my husband’s colleague has devoted about 30 years to working with children on comprehension skills and verbal skills via reading, speech therapy or verbal development, and problem solving. She advises an elite private school, offers pro bono services at schools with public funding issues, at a boys/girls club, and privately helps children at both ends of the learning/development spectrum.
I asked her about the talking skills attributed to little “Archie”.
She suggested the parents are enthusiastically choosing to interpret jumbled baby speech as words, or, maybe are repeating one word so incessantly to the child in daily single word drills that sure, some matching sounds may eventually come out; or they are simply making it up (or as she said, “wishing it so”). She has been hired privately by parents to develop the skills of purported genius toddlers, but 95% of the toddlers while bright and promising enough are simply at the same mile markers as other kids their age. Kids are often totally unable to replicate the incredible language or reading skills she was told about by the wishful parents. Kids can mimic a book page they have been read 50 times but it doesn’t mean they can read, or read any other page. Etc.
She thinks parental achievement fantasies are harmful to kids, and she sees more of it today, and tries to help kids have space to develop at their own rate with adequate support and encouragement, especially through ages 4 or 5.
Crocodile, hydration, drive safe at 18-21 months? First word, crocodile? She chuckled, “well, that would be something, wouldn’t it?” A few tested genius (tested when older) kids she has worked with had reported first words like bam, momma, da, mo, do, now.
It’s possible you did and that’s where I got the idea...lol. I’ve read so much in the last couple of days.
I was just looking back over The Times story to see if it was mentioned when Jason Knauf made his complaint about her bullying. The article says it was made in October 2018 - three months later she was allegedly suicidal.
So are we to believe Meghan had no recourse until now? No friend or surrogate who could set the record straight?
(found at the beginning of Part 2, posted March 8, 2021 at 6:06 PM)
Maybe I'm over-thinking, but could it be telling that they used the specific word "surrogate"?
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BBC 1 News is not really challenging anything said by Megs, they had one quick voice saying one sided story then going in heavy on the racism angle.
I wonder if a pair of guests they had on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning scared them into not wanting to risk any complaints over such a touchy subject. When I turned the tv on yesterday morning they had two women on zoom (or whatever it is they use for remote interviews on news pieces), one black and one white. The white woman was saying that criticism is about Meghan's behaviour and attitude rather than race. It ended up in a right ding dong with the other woman, to the point where the white woman actually said something about "those with supposed white privilege have been silenced on having an opinion on racism" (it's in quotes but I'm paraphrasing). It seemed that the segment was speedily brought to an end after that; I had to go and let the dog out at that point so I don't know what (if anything) was said after, just that they didn't have those two guests on the screen any more and had already moved onto something else a few minutes later when I came back in. Perhaps it was just the natural time limit of the segment, but the hosts definitely seemed gobsmacked when it all kicked off between the pair.
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@Pantsface, we watched Masterchef instead and ended up making ourselves hungry lol wish we'd gone with The Chase now!
many parents could identify with that and its all borne out of love. and its more gracious than the complaint fest we heard. coudl make him even better perceive, so long as he can carry it off and not do an andrew.
Is there anything else they can do? Genuinely asking. I used to work in PR and this is such a case study!
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Yes there is.
1.Make a very short, calm, precise, pragmatic response which indicates the BRF's inner workings are often misunderstood by those not aquainted with their lives and duties and purposely avoiding the race issue. Something along those lines.
2. Utilize the press to sink their battleship; since the BRF and the press are now allies an a war.
3.Use the surprise effect. Wait a while until the hoopla dies down and the perps have moved on to their next idiocy before issuing the response but begin the press drive immediately. It's all in the timing in this case; too soon and it creates a backlash, too late and the RF are then accused again of
insensitivity.
If she scoffed that "my previous job had a union!" didn't she also lie about being in it?
My goodness, I had forgotten about that! Meghan "I'm such a fraud" Markle.
Are they planning on sueing the doctors who did plastic face work while she was pregnant since they need the money?
Have they not seen the article's that Will is also very involved with the response's and their future? If they thought the scarf was to be feared wait until they have his krackon's to feel raining down.
Are they forgetting how Trump feels about the Queen and "mrs Nasty? He has his die hard supporters and if he says the word, the nasty' will be dealing with them. The "men in gray" need to call Florida. He owes the Queen.
Did she hear the podcast "Happy New Year" or the video "Drive safe"? (If that was on the video, I'm not sure as I didn't watch.)
That would help rule out H&M are hearing words others don't. Of course, we don't know if either was really Archie but I'd like to know what she thinks about speech as clear as the Happy New Year at that age even with repetition training.
In the Duck Rabbit video, I certainly could be convinced that child said "can't get it" when he tried to reach the book that fell. Using negative "action phrases" like that is quite unusual at barely 12 months. Of course, that child looked older than 12 months too.
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@Curious,
So Jason's stuff to HR and the Cambridge-Sussex split happened at the same time. Hmm.
I just looked at the comments on the US article. All scathing. Seems everybody hates Meg.
Meanwhile, on Instagram, she has a ton of supporters. Any criticism of her is seen as pooh-poohing racism or belittling suicide. On a thread I was lurking at, someone wondered why there wasn't similar support on YouTube and someone else replied that those comments were probably being deleted. *rolls eyes*
Have any other Nutties noticed that certain sites or apps tend to be friendlier or more critical toward Meghan's narrative? I find YouTube and blogs highly critical, and Royal Tumblr seems to go 50/50. But Instagram is surprisingly pro-Meghan. Even totally neutral sites that just post about royal history are being criticized for promoting the "systemic racism" of the monarchy. Sigh.
The Royal Family needs to remain silent unless they are going to unleash the Furies with absolute proof of Markle's lies and viciousness. Silence is their best defense.
Silence and laughter. Prince Charles has already utilized a combination of both to great effect!
I keep thinking about Charles's silence with respect to having cut off their funding. It was something he had every right to say, but he kept things private. (And that's how you do privacy, Meghan.) The Harkles revealing it themselves took a burden off him. It would be sweet if the BRF took the high road on this, but someone else really tired of the Harkles' BS came out with the receipts.
I was just defending the pharmaceutical company that I work for this morning. Ironically, I just got out of a meeting offering me a severence package for the end of April unless I move into another position within the company. The range of emotions I am going through right now.....
"It is with sadness we watched the Oprah Winfrey interview with Prince Harry and Meghan. As a recent guest of the Crown, Oprah must be aware of our initial joy at Harry's happiness and how we welcomed Meghan into our family. She would also be aware of the many treasured protocols and the sense of duty the RF observes; honoring our subjects and those who have gone before. Tragically, it seems in this case, Oprah has misplaced the spirit of detachment so essential to journalism.
Ms. Winfrey would have been well-served to have contacted our communications staff for clarification regarding some of the issues raised in her broadcast. For example: in accordance with the letters patent of 1917, A great grandchild of the reigning monarch would not be entitled to the title of Prince or Princess. How ever, the title is automatic for the grandchildren. Thus, Harry and Meghan can rest assured for Archies future. The security is, of course, a separate issue. Oprah should be aware that security is only ever provided for senior members of the family who are actively performing Royal Duty. Our responsibility to our subjects requires that Prince Harry, like others in his position, must provide his own security. Prince Harry could have provided clarification on this point, as he is well aware.
As is the case in most large entities, there are many procedures in place to assist anyone who may be having difficulties emotionally. As members of the Royal Family, both Harry and Meghan had access to the finest health care in the world, and we are saddened they did not take advantage of the many options available to them. Oprah must be confused as to the exact nature of these concerns having seen the joyful way Meghan went about her role as a contributing editor to Vogue Magazine and the many engagement s both professional and personal that she undertook. We saw her delighted countenance and were taken in by that. How we wish Oprah had thought to question them both further on this point.
We understand that a sympathetic interviewer will identify strongly with her subjects. Sadly, Oprah has crossed the line and has done herself, the Royal Family and ultimately Meghan and Harry a great disservice. The people of Great Britain have been unfairly characterized, and we must object. Had Oprah questioned further, she would have learned that the racism Meghan experienced consisted of two articles, both summarily dealt with. In fact tge Palace communications staff released a statement condemning comments in Social Media and acted swiftly to delete them. Since Meghan joined tgevRoyal Family there have been an unprecedented number of leaks and oddly sourced articles and our Communications team has been hard-pressed tonkeep up with it all! Perhaps Oprah could have gained some insight into those sources.
In trying to protect Harry and Meghan, a delicate line had to be walked. Most of the articles they objected to were a direct result of their own actions which can be seen as hypocritical by the public. They continue to struggle with that today. Surely Oprah is a proponent of free speech!
Although Oprah missed many opportunities to clarify the issues
she did provide a useful service: It is obvious Meghan and Harry were not happy in their roles and felt trapped. In a gesture of untrammeled support, we are delighted to announce that we are releasing Harry and Meghan from any role as Royals, as well as their progeny.Therefore, they will now be known as simply Harry and Meghan Mountbatton-Windsor. Harry and his children have also been released from the line of succession, as we know that must be a continuing source of anxiety for them. They will no longer be burdened with the titles, or the duty of a Prince of the realm.
We continue to love Harry and his family as private members of our own.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/pregnant-meghan-markle-holds-son-archie-new-baby-bump-pic/
Fellow Nutties, I was gobsmacked when I saw what the Harkles had decided to release to the public. At first I couldn't believe that Meghan thought it would be a good idea to pick a photo that highlighted everything she has been criticized for in the past four years. And then it hit me. She knew exactly what she was doing. She's trolling us with the new fake belly just as hard as she did with the old fake belly. "What are you going to do about it, world?"
This could happen in any industry--we won't hold it against Big Pharma in particular (speaking for all of us here, ahem.) Whatever their practices are, any industry, evil rep or not, is made up of individuals like you. Best wishes!
The only winners from this are those who hate the monarchy: By attacking the Royal Family in such an imperious way, Harry and Meghan have come perilously close to obliterating the whole institution...and they must now lose their titles, writes RICHARD KAY
By RICHARD KAY FOR THE DAILY MAIL
| UPDATED: 19:07 EST, 8 March 2021
All in all, it has been the most wonderful 24 hours for the cause of republicanism for decades.
Not even the height of the Charles and Diana wars brought such a glow to the heart of anti-monarchists everywhere as Meghan and Harry’s sensational but utterly self-serving interview with Oprah Winfrey has done.
That such incendiary claims about cruelty, neglect, snobbery and racism existing at the heart of the Royal Family should come from two people who, barely a moment ago, were representing the Queen and the very institution they were so casually disparaging only adds to the enormity of this unfolding crisis.
No doubt the private telephone line at the Sussexes’ California mansion has been ringing non-stop with friends telling Meghan she had been brave, fearless and formidable with the bouquets and plaudits arriving by the truckload.
It was, let’s not forget, a consummate performance, proving that the Duchess is both articulate and ruthless.
In an 85-minute-long interview that was breathtaking in its audacity, she and Harry stripped away what few vestiges of mystery the monarchy had left, reducing it to the dimensions of a tawdry soap opera, while making the Palace and its advisers seem malevolent and destructive.
No sooner had the credits rolled on Oprah’s scoop, than unseen clips from the film in which further damaging assertions about Britain, the media and the Royal Family — including the claim that the Queen received ‘very bad’ advice from courtiers — were being broadcast.
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I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that everything works out!
Have any other Nutties noticed that certain sites or apps tend to be friendlier or more critical toward Meghan's narrative? I find YouTube and blogs highly critical, and Royal Tumblr seems to go 50/50. But Instagram is surprisingly pro-Meghan. Even totally neutral sites that just post about royal history are being criticized for promoting the "systemic racism" of the monarchy. Sigh.
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Everything in the U.S. is divided right down the middle. It's all about left or right. This is our norm now.
I know personally how hard it is to not choose a side but stay in the middle. I see my choice as balanced while it seems everyone else sees me as a traitor. I read news from both sides then come up with my own preference. I'm a cult survivor, so I've learned to not allow group think, the collective conscience, to persuade me in my values system. IMO to do so is very much what a cult agenda is about...bending minds, or as we've discussed here before, the mind fuck...
Typical narc move. Mine did that to me all the time.
Acted like they were having a good time, wanted to go to event. Later say it was boring, wished they didn't feel pressured to go, wasn't fun.
Total gas lighting. Just a way to dismiss and demean my good time.
It wasn't important enough for them to waste their time on. Not important enough to even have a good time at it.
Then got mad when, after years of that, I refused to go anywhere with them or invite them to my events.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/world/europe/oprah-interview-harry-meghan.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
‘I Just Didn’t Want to Be Alive Anymore’: Meghan Says Life as Royal Made Her Suicidal
In a bombshell interview with Oprah Winfrey, the Duchess of Sussex said she had asked officials at Buckingham Palace for medical help but was told it would damage the institution.
BEL MOONEY: My pity for these sad, naive, damaged souls
8 March 2021 | UPDATED: 17:51 EST, 8 March 2021
PART ONE
Somebody told me that there is a ‘Team Meghan’ and a ‘Team Queen’ and you have to pick your side.
I thought it was true — and certainly knew where I stood. As the ‘sides’ lined up on social media, ready to watch the Oprah Winfrey interview, this passionate monarchist — devoted to the Queen and the Prince of Wales — felt nothing but acute hostility towards Meghan and her hapless husband.
Now, having watched the (seemingly endless) programme, I feel a sympathy that has surprised me.
In spite of all I know of their privileged lifestyle, somewhat-hypocritical ‘woke’ pretensions and all that’s irritating in their self-indulgent California-speak, watching the Sussexes parade their feelings to the U.S.’s Queen of TV left me feeling very sad.
t was tragic to watch Prince Harry patronise his father and brother by expressing ‘compassion’ for them, pour salt into existing wounds and then state so glibly that ‘time heals’. Because it doesn’t — or at least, not always.
Yes, time can slowly restore and people can forgive, but only when they stay calm, gradually forget harsh words and mistaken actions and move quietly and deliberately towards reconciliation.
How can that happen when you have just chosen to wash your monogrammed family linen in front of millions of people?
I kept wondering how I’d feel if these were two ‘ordinary’ people writing to my Saturday advice column about the stress of marrying someone very different, or the rising panic when you don’t fit in, or the loneliness of feeling misunderstood by everybody, or hating your life so much you think you might be happier if you were dead.
The world is full of confused people who get things very wrong in their lives and usually blame others. Advice columns like mine are inundated with toxic family problems — to the point where I often despair and wonder if anybody ever communicates properly or thinks twice before an angry rant.
Why should the rich and famous be different? Why are they any less deserving of understanding — even compassion — for their shocking mistakes?
Watching Oprah’s interview, I tried to feel furious with those hugely rich, pampered people, living in a gated paradise while whinging about how badly they have been treated.
But I’m afraid I couldn’t help but pity the couple as two surprisingly naïve, youngish souls who know astonishingly little about real life — and have instead revealed just how damaged they both are.
Was the decision to spill the beans to Oprah part of a strategy to promote their lucrative brand — or yet another yelp in one long cry for help?
This isn’t so much a case of ‘their own truth’ (as Winfrey would put it, in that wince-inducing phrase) as a painful revelation of how little they understand of what they are really saying.
They present themselves as truth-tellers, more sinned against than sinning. Yet they seem ignorant of the fact that ‘truth’ is a double-edged sword, and that by stating one thing you can reveal something quite different.
How extraordinary, for example, that Meghan — the allegedly free spirit — should prove to be so obsessed with titles. It came up again and again, especially when talking about their baby son.
Meghan wanted him to be called Prince Archie, even though he has no claim to the title yet. What’s more, since all titles are in the Queen’s gift, this was in fact a complaint against the grandmother-in-law who, she also said, had been ‘wonderful’ to her.
The Duchess seems unaware of the contradictions between pretending to know nothing of the monarchy (really?), then feeling trapped and frustrated by its protocols and complaining because of this perceived slight to her son.
To me it revealed an almost pathetic neediness for status.
The institution of the monarchy is indeed a stuffy, hidebound thing. If it was tough for Diana, born into the English aristocracy, how strange must it have seemed to this American actress who accepted her Prince after a whirlwind courtship in which both were blinded by the stars in their eyes.
Did they really ask for help which was refused? Did they not have good, wise friends outside?
Yes, it seems curious for Meghan to moan that she wasn’t reminded or helped to learn the National Anthem (come on, lass, actresses have to learn their lines), but there’s undoubtedly a rigidity to royal protocol which must chafe.
It must have felt entrapping to both the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, who nevertheless resolutely do their duty.
I don’t believe anybody has the right to say Meghan is exaggerating the loneliness and despair that led her to think it would be better if she were no longer alive. I feel compassion for somebody so out of their depth in a foreign country. The trouble with her revelation is that she seemed to forget her responsibility towards those watching.
It is extremely unwise to parade your suicidal thoughts when you have a professed interest in mental health and are followed by millions of young people who, in the stress of lockdown, may be adversely influenced by your words.
Ah, but there was little of mature wisdom in this interview. Sadly, I was reminded of children caught in wrongdoing who brightly spin a yarn to get themselves off the hook.
There was so much that should have been kept strictly private. I wish for her own sake that she had understood there are times when ‘your own truth’ can do untold damage. I also wish she could have shown her love for her (clearly much weaker) husband by protecting him from his own version of the ‘truth’ about his family, too.
The horrible story of questions over the colour of a baby’s skin is left hanging — and therefore, by implication, trashes the whole family. Was this deliberate?
BEL MOONEY
Anybody who reveres the lifelong service of the Queen and Prince Charles and respects their love of the Commonwealth will know the suggestion of racism is outrageous.
It reveals a terrible lack of emotional intelligence in Harry and Meghan not to realise how cruel is the hurt they are dishing out.
For all the glitz, glamour and big bucks, they are a sad couple.
Is there anybody to give them wise advice? Would they listen if somebody like me — who so adored our soldier prince and celebrated his wonderful wedding to a stunning, ‘ordinary’ woman — begged them now to embrace the privacy they have so shockingly breached and focus on their babies?
Because if they don’t, they are storing up greater unhappiness in the future. If things go wrong you will find, Sir, you need your family.
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I will need to apply for any of the current positions posted within the company and hopefully be chosen to assume that role. There were over 150 employees laid off last year and many have layoffs continued since. The severance package isn't bad but unemployment would not meet my financial requirements. I was also in a car accident a few months ago, my car was totaled. Now I am saddled with car payments again for a few years. Thankfully, I am a "saver" by nature and could probably pinch my pennies for a year if needed.
So sorry about that!
Bezos and Zukerberg are the Devil but so is the Sackler family who perpetuated the opioid crisis in 'Merica. Big Pharma is on my Never Ever Support list, much to my doctor's disapproval. I take only Rx that I know I definitely need. The rest is controlled by diet (boring) and exercise.
I have a feeling if you retire or leave that industry you will feel good and find something you love doing and feel good about. Our vocation is such a huge part of who we are. I wish you the best!!
Off topic...range of emotions
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I guess! Sorry that's happened. Hope things work out for you.
Any sort of statement will have the same effect as a Facebook debate, where no one’s mind is ever changed.
Let the public decide for themselves. Eventually they will process that for all the nasty talk and nasty business M&H are accusing the BRF of doing, it is they who are the only ones actually seen doing the nasty talk and nastier business. Even the thickest of us will get round to it eventually. My mom used to call it “giving them enough rope to hang themselves.”
The bonus is that it will leave Meg furious with rage that was wasn’t deemed important enough to comment. She’ll step up her game, like all narcissist do when that happens, pretty soon we find ourselves closer to the end of this than the beginning when Markle self-implodes.
For sure! I recently started watching organizing the pantry programs on YouTube because mine is sort of out of control (grin). Imagine my jaw dropping when people proudly showed their reorganized pantries holding less than a week's worth of (canned) food and no staples!
@charade: "That is such good news for PC. Him not taking Harry's calls raised my respect for him as well. Harry is horrible. He's either a huge idiot which in itself is a liability or a nasty brat that cosigns to pathological lying and victimhood."
Charade, do you know the "why not both" gif?
ROFL, EXACTLY my thoughts when I read it!
Sorry to hear about your accident. I get your needing to keep the job for now. That makes financial sense!
Sometimes we just have to eat some caca on the job. I've been there...it sucks!
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@AnT, thanks for the NYPost link. Wow.
One thing that struck me:
"It was tragic to watch Prince Harry patronise his father and brother by expressing ‘compassion’ for them, pour salt into existing wounds and then state so glibly that ‘time heals’. Because it doesn’t — or at least, not always."
No kidding. Hasn't Harry spent the past year or two telling us time has not healed his wounds from Diana's death? And that was 24 years ago. Many of the people he hurt in that interview don't have 24 years to heal.
I sympathise - We were both made redundant, of an age where only basic clerical work was available. We lost a good 30 years of professional employment between us. I do hope you'll be able to do better than us if you do leave them.
I think the RF should hire you as their Communications Director. Brilliant post.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9342527/Hillary-Clinton-says-cruelty-Meghan-outrageous-slams-Royals.html
But not by Charles or Queen, and not by statements written, polished, and released to media outlets. Not "we love them anyway" thoughts, and not a slew of happy Cambridge children photos, and not just Charlies and William out on their duties.
The allegations made by the duo are extremely serious, and slanderous, and designed to foment enormous discord and hostility.
This, from two individuals whose antics and past have been scrubbed and hidden in file drawers.
I think, working in tandem with Willam, the HR office, Jason, palace and RF security, and MI6, a statement needs to be formed that very clinically does two things: refutes, and reveals. Refutes the nonsense they spewed to Oprah, and, reveals precisely why they are unworthy of being working royals and better off far away.
This will be delivered as in a police press meeting, with a line of MI6 and RF senior security individuals standing in a row of support behind a cool as ice senior MI6 director or press officer, who reads out the response coolly, point by point, in the familiar manner of police updating the public about a serious crime or disaster. Perhaps a Lord Geidt, who has experience in th force and in personal attendance to the Queen, or someone similar.
The optics will present the gravity of the situation: this is not a garden chit chat with lifestyle segments.
He might say, "we view what the Harkles did as a violation of national security, as an attack on the Palace and the working senior royals, as an attempt to dismantle an institution due to the political, heavily funded involvement of the Harkles. Here are the financial trails, here is a sample email, here is the statement from the photographer M set up to photograph her father through the nativity of her older sister and parent. Here is the merching cash flow between Canada and M, here is the evidence we have of drug carriage, a surrogate or purchased/rented child. Here are statements from Australia, and Africa. Here is the story of Soho House, Markus Anderson, and how M was placed here. Here are emails and voice recordings. Here is what we know about foundation and Travalyst funds Here is what they have planned to do, with the help of the following people. Taking all of this into assessment, charges of fraud, slander, abuse and treason will be put forth against the couple known as Meghan and Henry Mountbatten-Windsor, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. The family is grieved by this information, but agrees with us that steps have to be taken due to the seriousness of the allegations and charges, bordering on treason, and the importance to the security of the UK, and threats to the personal security and well-being of at least 5 members of our royal family. As I speak, we are sending family representatives to the Harkles at their address (the real address) in California to apprise them of the charges against them, and to help formulate a plan for their return. Pursuant to this, I can add that the recent statements by the White House will soon be overshadowed when our office releases emails and call content between M and agents of the White House. We feel confident the Americans will support us in this endeavor to re-secure the safety of our Queen and royal family."
He pauses a few times to play snips of captured audio, to screen a few email quotes, he takes two questions, he explains some of this will be detailed on the RF website, and that updates will be made in future.
And that's that.
Kids are often totally unable to replicate the incredible language or reading skills she was told about by the wishful parents. Kids can mimic a book page they have been read 50 times but it doesn’t mean they can read, or read any other page. Etc.
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The bull puckey about Archie's vocabulary is La Markle's attempts of laying the foundation to get him into the best schools so she can exploit that as well. Heaven help his school staff, teachers etc.
Or, she will become the best home schooling mom alive and start a blog. Who knows with her. Her wind blowing is calculated...
Sending you wishes for the best outcome possible for you and your daughter.
36? You are young and strong with a lot of life ahead of you! You will make the right choice for you and your daughter. I just know it :)
It feels like a losing battle.
You have got the tone of your `article' perfect - I do hope that People Who Really Matter read it!
at 5:20 PM,
Love your statement idea. Beautifully written, especially that delicate balance of polite sorrow laced with "don't try to play with us, dears" steel firmness. The Palace could definitely activate something exactly like this.
My idea for a statement is more hardcore! Y
I think the royals need to go shopping for crisis statement wording right here, the Nutties are owning this.
Harry is a moral coward. I know Americans who were training him in California. They said he was abusive, entitled, smuggled in drugs, and was too stupid to ever fly anything but a kite. He insulted his American superiors, refused to do anything he didn’t want to do, and would just get on his motorcycle, driving over 100 mph, to Nevada all the time. He was a nightmare.
As to asking what color a baby will be, what it will I herit physically - every single person is asked this, and not racially. Look at Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner’s first child. She is very brown, compared to her parents. Her brothers very fair.
My husband has dark olive skin, curly black hair and green eyes. I have dark brown eyes, straight blonde hair and very fair skin. Our kids look like my husband, but with blue eyes, blonde straight hair and pale skin. Everybody, including friends and relatives, would wonder what our babies would look like, and for each pregnancy, too. My husband is much darker than Meghan, too, and has some black African blood. Nobody could believe how my kids features are from my husband, but their coloring from my side (blue eyes are on both sides of the family, and blonde hair, too. All recessive genes.
I saw Meghan as a Whitney, dumb person. As Rhett Butler said to Scarlett O’Hara towards the end, “Do you know you are throwing away happiness with both hands? If I was dead, and Miss Melly, and you had your stupid Ashley, you would be miserable. You don’t understand how unhappy you would be, and you would never understand your unhappiness. The only thing you really understand in this world is money. Just money.”
I think the royals should be smiling. It will drive the haters insane to see how they don’t listen to liars and rumors. Looking glum plays into their enemies hands. It makes them happy to see destruction of everything that is best and good in Great Britain. I think Soros is backing them. He was gleeful when he ruined the British monetary system, making his billions off the backs of poor Britains. The Shamus are sick in the head.
So sorry to read about your plight today. Wishing you clarity as you come to your decision! Take solace in the face that it will all turn out for the best, even when it feels like it’s new and unknown.
4:00pm
Poll results - 86pc do not believe Harry and Meghan's account
Throughout the day we have been asking you for your feedback on the Harry and Meghan interview.
The response has been enormous, with more than 30,000 votes cast.
Here are the results:
Do you think the interview was appropriate? Yes (12pc) | No (88pc)
How should Buckingham Palace respond? Say nothing (55pc) | Racism inquiry (18pc) | Hit back (27pc)
Who did you feel most sorry for? Queen and Philip (59pc) | Meghan and Harry (7pc) | Kate and William (15pc) | Archie (5pc) | Charles (7pc) | None (7pc)
Do you believe Harry and Meghan's side of the story? Yes (14pc) | No (86pc)
Was Oprah Winfrey the right choice of interviewer? Yes (20pc) | No (80pc)
I'm doing vaccine stuff so I will post some articles later.
I would much rather see "others", be it a sensible media related person or ? put out a very well written report taking each point of contention brought up and debunking it. Point by point by point.
Show the hypocrisy of each of the allegations. show video of M (or H) saying one thing previously and what they are saying now.
And leave Archie completely out of it. He is an innocent child. He'll have to deal with enough later in life as a result of his parents actions. Don't even mention his name.
Okay, the Cambridge kids and puppies too – lovely images running on the screen behind the podium, framing other images of emails, to show the public what needs to be protected. Their photos will also be a nice contrast to images of the Archie doll, or, statement of the Portland that M did not check in, or mages of Archie with his actual family in LA or Canada.
@Wild Boar Battle-maid
I know. I feel worse will come if serious steps aren't taken, because this is more than a family squabble. It is an accelerating attack on the monarchy and slander of individuals, and I can't imagine ridiculous Meghan is masterminding this herself. This is some sort of war, with serious intent, and needs to be handled as such at this point if they have the intel. Just my opinion.
The things in my assessment to get here were:
1. This is just a greedy LA girl who wanted money, jewels and a title. (but why leave?)
2. This is just an actress desperate for the fame that eluded her (but, why leave?)
3. This is a lunatic's desire to avenge Princess Diana, because she thinks she is Diana and should be queen (well...)
4. This is an untalented, sloppy aging cable actress's desire to be famous and run for president! (but uh, on her own?)
5. This is the action of someone mad she did all this climbing and Harry has little $$. (but Netflix and mansion and Oprah?)
6. This is the action of a prince who happened to meet a ruthless climber narcissist criminally-minded sort.
7 This is a ring using a dimwit Prince and an greedy hooker to get some money (why leave? why attack monarchy?)
8. This is something bigger
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I got married secretly due to Visa issues, prior to my big day, with my English husband. We didn’t tell anyone. My brother, I mentioned up thread, was the only witness we had besides the pastor. In fact, the only people who know about this ‘secret’ wedding are you all here! My first son was born 5 years to the day of that anniversary, which has kept the sweet memory of that day alive and well. I cannot imagine either of us complaining about the press and in the same sentence show off our private vows and share that with the entire world as retaliation. How disrespectful towards Harry. That was private and her behavior was, as usual, diabolical.
"I agree with so many others that I do not want to see the RF engage with these two...That is what they want. A slug fest with the RF.
I would much rather see "others", be it a sensible media related person or ? put out a very well written report taking each point of contention brought up and debunking it. Point by point by point.
And leave Archie completely out of it. He is an innocent child. He'll have to deal with enough later in life as a result of his parents actions. Don't even mention his name."
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Part of me agrees completely. But I don't think Archie can be left out of it. For many people (apparently) the skin color = no title of prince is the biggest issue. If that's ignored, it will be assumed to be true. It would be possible to refer to their child/children and not mention his name but he can't be left out completely IMO.
You’d want to shield your child from that knowledge forever and hope things changed. Archie reading this when he is older is going to be heartbroken.
My personal opinion is that she is already turning this child against all family members.
She might have targeted him on her own (with the help of MA of course and maybe others) but the racial narrative is being stirred up by something bigger than a z list hustler. Oprah admitted to wanting to sit with her before the marriage. Why? What did Megalo have to say that was so interesting? This whole narrative is a setup. The Doria and Oprah encounter prior to the wedding is fishy. Following this encounter, Megalo invited Oprah.
Also why not just hire private security for Archie if it was so important?
Oprah was getting to that point ‘but you’re married to a Prince..’ which is when it clicked for Meghan she was loosing the argument and changed the subject and reason to be about racism. This is why I can’t take it seriously. She was trying to come across as right, when she was wrong.
I’m sorry but if they wanted to protect Archie who is less than 2 years old, and the story is true that there is a severely racist family member in the BRF, then why put it on record??!!!
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So much of what they said has this vibe, of WHYYYY?
Her friends know she doesn't read the news/tabloids (uh huh), so they call her up to tell her. Why would they do that? Why would they choose to tell her something hurtful?
She says Catherine is a good person and she's forgiven her. So why is she *still* talking about it? If she's forgiven her it should be a non-topic, put in the past. Again, why, why, why?
Americans have become suckers for I'm-A--Victim, leftist media narratives. So the percentage of Americans that know about her and Haz will rise and her tales of racism will be accepted as truthful. Same world wide except for in the UK where people are onto the Deceitful Duo.
SirStinxalot. I'm a saver too so being made redundant this time last year wasn't as dreadful as it would have been otherwise. I have used this period to reflect on what motivates me and have managed to find a new job that interests me more than what I've done before. You might find that works for you too. That said, it sounds like your company values you and the work you do, so there may still be opportunities there. I have a daughter of a similar age and am constantly amazed at her resilience. I hope yoour girl is the same and would take a move to a new city in her stride. And 36... so young.
Agreed that the RF should do bugger all and just carry on as normal.
An excellent point I'd lost sight of. Harry pouring salt into a wound then glibly talking about time to heal. Here we all are, wondering if his grandfather will make it to June and his 100th birthday, and he spouts platitudes as if there's all the time in the world.
Harry's grandfather was the one who devoted all his time to being with both boys in the week after their mother's death. He took them out into the hills around Balmoral, to get some peace from all that was going on. Remember also that Diana kept his letters as they were a comfort to her as her marriage collapsed. Though he is famously gruff and tough, he can be unexpectedly sensitive and perceptive, and a greater help than more obvious people are. My 86-year-old father (a former professional mountain climber) is just the same.
What is Harry thinking of? Meghan has him thinking "This is about US. This is OUR time." As she did when she ruthlessly abandoned her father. A commentator this week commended her on the success of her 'gentle brainwashing' of Harry over such a long period, painting his brain in her colours, using her words. He said that if he'd been able to brainwash his wife like that he'd still be married.