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Project Thaw or the arrival of the Next Ice Age Continues?

 So I read Richard Eden's article in the DM about how recent events from the couple are actually part of a calculated plan to change how the family views them and ... how the UK views them ... and then they can come back yadda yadda and * will 

"...‘Meghan will return to Britain before the year is out,’ the friend tells me, adding jokingly that she will be ‘bearing humble pie’.

It remains to be seen whether ‘bearing humble pie’ - and eating it, presumably - is sufficient to placate the Royal Family or the British people....".

He ends with a comment about how he would not accept this unless she apologizes to the various BRF for hurting them.


Ok. 

He also mentions a specific person (1, count it one) Yvette Cooper, who  is new to the job as Foreign Secretary who specifically is open to him, presumable * as well, being more active in the British spheres.  What more active might or might not be is not defined.

What we don't know:

Is how well she knows him and for how long as in before they met on the train?  Pretty much anyone can be charming for a short time.  He is not his mother's son for nothing when he wants to be and they may have friends or people they know in common which could increase the feeling of social niceness.  The real question is who brought up the idea that he/his wife could return and play a part within the Commonwealth?  She could be a Squaddie or she could vaguely agree that it might be an idea to someone floating a balloon idea without being aware of how this might be mentioned in the future.  As this is all third hand, all coming from pro-Sussex unnamed sources - how reliable or accurate about the YC opinion - unknown as the article doesn't confirm anything with YC.  

But when I think about it this way, it all just falls apart: for YC, I would think, that in that job, your focus is on the other countries of the world but that you also have to have a pretty sense of the pulse of the country you represent.  And, how important is your personal opinion of topic X or Y to this job?

So ... last I read, the couple are barely above the Yorks in terms of social tolerance which doesn't mean that the country is super open to the idea of them moving up that scale even after these many years.  That's the country.  

As for the family, what special (read as non-public) knowledge does a Foreign Secretary know to be the person to tell the BRF that they have it all wrong and need accept the couple's return?  In reality for any family (royal or not), unless you are really part of that family, telling half (and in this case, the most important half, seniority, power, LOS, etc) that they were wrong about the other half without knowing everything in context (ie what was truth and what a lie) may indicate that you may create problems for yourself by saying something you ought not to or do something which is not in line with what the government is trying to achieve job wise.  

Back to Richard.  He ends with comments about how he would need to have * apologize to the various members of the family (K, P/POW and so on).  

No baby.  I think more than that.  They both have to (as they both have said and put in print things which were hurtful to their family members) to apologize.  He was equal party to the actions.

AND (well this me) I think a listing of where they lied (print, interviews) would also be good. As part of clearing the air of what was untruth.  


I doubt that any of it would happen for a variety of reasons no matter how hard they keep trying - this like all the ones before it.

We have seen several campaigns to reconnect with his family since they left which went absolutely no where and then blew up with another claim that the couple were done wrong.  Rinse and repeat.  This is why the meeting with his father was viewed as progress.  But was it really?  They had tea but when we look back, he hasn't come over to the UK all that often.  And it was often in conjunction with his lawsuit so the optics were not good before even looking at what anyone's plans were for the day.  This isn't an overwhelming momentous step forward.  A small lurch to the side but not exactly a thaw (especially after the whole someone's leaking which really undercuts the idea of he/she/they can be trusted).

In a couple of the books, there were buried comments of how H knew that he had to make his mark, get going as there would be a point when George and siblings would be the taking over (and this means as major players which would lower him/his status - he doesn't exactly say that but that is the intent).  All that's happened is that the kids are growing up and getting closer to that age where they can start to step in.  That and that the world of the BRF did not stop spinning on the axis because they left.  So ... there is not the pressure of needing to take them back in to do the work until the kids are old enough.

And then there is Sean's video where allegedly the King was heard to say something about how his son wasn't listening after the tea meeting.  I think that's really important to keep in the back of your mind when we hear of this or that coming out of their team from now on.  

Bottom line: we aren't hearing about how they have changed or why.  Nothing about how or why they are now trustable.  We are only hearing that this is the latest attempt to come back.  They have supporters for this.  It will be glorious.  Life is wonderful, kids are great, the various podcasts, videos and the sales prove how well things are going.  The only thing missing is being able to drop in for a cup of tea.  And, to boot, they can help lower the burden for the senior BRF.  A burden the BRF has not asked them to fix.



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Girl with a Hat said…
They are deluded if anyone thinks that humble pie or apologies are enough to repair the relationship,
* and Hairy have shown that they are toxic individuals who will use any slight, imagined or real, for PR reasons.
They have crossed boundaries which should never have been crossed, and others that only people with twisted imaginations could ever imagine that would ever come up, such as wishing death to family members.
There was also the toxic campaign against Catherine when she was ill with cancer. The things that were suggested were vile, and that they were aimed at someone undergoing cancer treatment was even worse. The sugars suggested that William had beaten Catherine, and that was the reason that she was hiding from the public. How can you ever reconcile with someone whose supporters would say such things?
Girl with a Hat said…
If you want to watch the episode of The Reluctant Traveler with Eugene Levy interviewing Prince William, try watching it
https://www.lookmovie2.to/shows/play/1705579822-the-reluctant-traveler-2023#S3-E4-356811
for free.
Girl with a Hat said…
Lady C
@LadyColinCampb
So Meghan and Harry have arrived at the Spring Studios in TriBeCa, holding hands and looking pleased as punch, to collect their Humanitarian of the Year awards from Project Healthy Minds.

The comments sections of the newspapers covering their arrival have been lethal. 99% negative. The game really seems to be up.

But let's give credit where it is due. For once, she wore a trouser suit which actually fit properly, albeit it in the inevitable monochrome, this time black, though oftentimes it is beige or white.

She looked as good as she can. The facelift has done wonders for her, but what's up with the hair? Did she not have time to straighten it? Is she going natural? Will we be treated to an Afro? If so, why was it hanging lank down her back? Or is this latest version of inconsistency a way of getting people to talk?

https://x.com/LadyColinCampb/status/1976451888326267353
Girl with a Hat said…
here are pics of them at that mental health award ceremony

https://pagesix.com/2025/10/09/style/meghan-markle-stuns-in-black-suit-for-rare-red-carpet-appearance-with-prince-harry/
Girl with a Hat said…
the comments are vicious. LOL
Yvette Cooper was one of the signatories to the letter of support for * from female MPs of all parties (as they then existed) back in October 2019. There were 72 in all. To take a kindly view, I can only suppose that they could not believe then that * was as horrible as the Press made out. At that time, only those of us who had suffered at the hands of such personalities recognised the pattern
To hold that view now suggests a woeful lack of perception; if these recent reports have any truth in them, they don't say much for somebody holding one of the Great Offices of State, who now risks being Markled.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50227925
Maneki Neko said…
Harry and Meghan are named 'Humanitarians of the Year' after arriving hand-in-hand at glitzy award ceremony (DM)
They 'will be named ‘humanitarians of the year’ by Project Health Minds' (DT), but this wasn't in the headline, just that they're 'honoured for humanitarian work'

The Independent was much more sober, only mentioning 'Harry and his wife the Duchess of Sussex were speaking at the Project Healthy Minds Gala in New York, where they received an award for their humanitarian work.
Nothing in the Guardian and on the BBC news website, natch.

As if all this wasn't bad enough, 'Meghan was also praised as 'a mother, wife, entrepreneur, and philanthropist'. Harry's work with mental health companies and his controversial 2021 memoir Spare were listed among his achievements.' (DM). If this is it, then these awards and praises have been really devalued. There are thousands of people every day who do so much more than these two, so much more quietly and humbly and yet they don't get any recognition. I hope people see H&M for the joke they are. I'm sure Thomas Markle will.
Maneki Neko said…
Ah yes, Yvette Cooper! As useful as a chocolate teapot. As you say, maybe these deluded MPs, incidentally mostly Labour, saw poor Megsy as a victim. I wonder how they feel now.
Maneki Neko said…
Madam had to take to the stage at World Mental Health Day, of course. Her trousers were very creased. How could she go on stage looking so sloppy? Contrast her appearance with Catherine's, who is always impeccably dressed and very neat.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/10/17/102889295-15181643-image-a-1_1760113437062.jpg
Girl with a Hat said…
Has Magatha been around? I haven't seen her lately.
I miss you, Magatha
Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iAWSoITIo

The Body Language guy shows scenes from the event that the journalists didn't show. For example, Hairy hesitated instead of following her immediately and she has a face like thunder.
Maneki Neko said…
I've been wondering too.
OKay said…
Thanks for this! I watched and thought it was great.
VetusSacculi said…
That’s a great video! Even without the BLG commentary I really picked up from the clips I’d seen of that event that H couldn’t bear to even look at her. She’s been manhandling and pushing him out of the way for years, he looks like he’s close to decking her if she does it again. Not that he would in reality, but I think now he is at the stage where he fully despises her and is done with the charade.
Lady C in her latest offering again quotes Lady Victoria Hervey as saying that she believes that * was `planted' into the Royal Family by a third party (or wtte - Soho House we're looking at you). I realise that the idea of a conspiracy is anathema to very many of those here, but a simple thought has occurred to me:
Is Harry bright enough to have worked out, all on his own, that a first rate way of getting his own back on his family would be to seek out and bring in such an agent of subversion to do the job?
Could he have come across her purely by chance? Or was somebody else working his puppet strings?
Could he have set about it systematically, rather than just sniffing out a sexual partner willing to tolerate, even encourage, his vices?
Was he capable of devising a strategy to find such a person, and to stick to it, without intervention by anyone else? In so many was, he seemed to act on impulse.

Or was an entrapping web spun around him but he was too dim (or damaged) to realise what was going on? I dread to think what MA & * have on him to keep him under control. Is he now moving into a position in which he might crack and do something drastic to her, way beyond the decking' that Vetus Sacculus envisages?
VetusSacculi said…
I have heard in the past the idea that * is a plant by malevolent agents to destabilise the monarchy but, perhaps naively, I can’t see what the endgame is other than financial extortion? We no longer have various branches of the family vying for the throne and the presence of ladies of ill repute in their midst is nothing new. Unless there was actually something more to *’s alleged remark about being one plane crash away from the throne?
I don't believe that Harry's IQ is over US Army's old minimum IQ requirement 83 so he hasn't intelligence enough to plan anything. He probably just did what little harry told him and the rest is history we see today. That's just it.

Girl with a Hat said…
Check out CDAN blind item and Grimm's daughter comments - very interesting tea. https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/10/blind-item-6_0130850770.html#disqus_thread
Harry the Nagger wants his security but all he needs is to study two alphabets N and O, that's all.
Indeed. I particularly liked the `hidden' comment almost at the end, with wtte that H saw the evil that presented itself to him in the form of * and that's what he chose. Thus he deserves everything he gets.
Those with political ambitions on the global stage?
Globalists opposed to the notion of nation states?
States which are `not friends of Britain'? Anything to destabilise us?
Those who hold 20th & 21st century monarchs and their people personally responsible for the Slave Trade?
Blackmailers and extortioners, of course ,
Criminals, including a few financiers, with their eyes on the loot.
Those who enjoy power for its own sake - think of the frisson of getting Royals to dance to one's own tune?

Will that do for start?
Youtuber Scott Rouse of the Behavior Panel fame has a fine piece about the sussex pair in the mental health gala. Quite crushing and what is Harry doing with his hand? Playing with little harry? Those two are so weird....

Maneki Neko said…
Dear *, she never changes, does she? She invited herself to Paris Fashion Week.

'Meghan Markle had to ask for an invite to her catwalk debut on her polarising Paris trip, Balenciaga's top designer has sensationally revealed.

The Duchess of Sussex said the visit to Fashion Week in the French capital was 'the culmination of many years of…friendship' with Pierpaolo Piccioli.

But Mr Piccioli has been rather more muted in his response, suggesting that their friendship is one of casual texting.

In a new interview the celebrated clothing designer revealed that Meghan had asked him if she could attend - rather than him sending her an invite.'
Girl with a Hat said…
I bet she texts hundreds of people, and Piccioli is the only one polite (and silly) enough to respond. Remember how someone said at a Hollywood party that they had just received a text message from * and everyone around that person said that they were also bombarded by text messages from *?
Question: What happens when our heroine (and the guy she is so far as now married with) has used her penultimate dollar?

Will she demand her rightful place in Britain as a princess of the United Kingdom?

I believe she is mentally unbalanced enough to do even that.

Girl with a Hat said…
I think they make a lot of money from the photos they have the rights to. Every time some magazine or newspaper uses them, they get paid. It's just not enough for the amount of money she spends on PR and stupid business ideas.
She had been expected to take out British citizenship once she had been here long enough. Fortunately. they're so stupid that they left the country, willingly or otherwise, way before she could meet the residence requirement. Rightful place in Britain? She'll be lucky (even if she is still legally bound to H)!
Maneki Neko said…
Our 'heroine' can demand all she likes, she will not be allowed into the RF as a full-time working duchess, never mind a princess. That ship has sailed. She wouldn't want to be constrained by protocol etc and she's whinged enough about the Palace and the RF, she can't now claim to want a life in their midst. Anyway, won't As Ever provide her with a sizeable income? (sarc)
I've just been watching an HGT video called The Archie Double (Meghan Markle) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXScan_vWQ - and I've just remembered something perhaps highly significant in this context!

Ears ie the external flap) are as individual as fingerprints, even identical twins have different ones. This is just one site that covers this, there are more:
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2023/release/ear-shape-as-accurate-as-fingerprints
Looking at the low-resolution photos of August and `Archie' suggests to me that we could be very well looking at two photos of Eugenie's son. In each case, the overall `cup' of the ear reminds me of a fungus called Pezziza!
There are clear portrait photos a-plenty of August, but my online search produces only 2 of Archie, the one HGT uses and another of him at a piano

If some sleuths here can find better photos of `both' children, we might be able to demonstrate that at least one photo purporting to be `Archie' is fraudulent. If any future photo of `Archie' shows him in a well-pulled down hat, we'll know she's read this post.

There is however a problem - there's a 21-month gap in their ages. I hope someone here can do a deep dig into this as I'm pushed for time at moment.
Maneki Neko said…
Interesting.

I found these pix, it seems Archie and Augustus look superficially similar but are different IMHO.

Archie - first two photos look AI generated
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJUhZS9Ni1J/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DlistedRoyals/comments/1hptv66/meghan_markle_and_prince_harrys_sussex_squad/#lightbox
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2DxDITsflW2vnatz1IXRNpot0UXqIAZlygpOk0RT4pg&s=10

Archie and Augustus
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2VW4W5vn66/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1o6a969/i_had_to_wear_pantyhose_five_years_after_they/

A deeply-moving post on SMM, reflecting just how self-absorbed the Harkles were during the hell known as Covid, from one Sinner, a nurse, who was working on the NHS front-line during the pandemic. Reading it, I as close to tears. It's a fine, profound piece,as are all the responses to it.
Girl with a Hat said…
I saw a story about Archie and Augustus being the same baby. I think it was on Saint meghan markle. I will try to find it.
Girl with a Hat said…
I often run into women that I went to school with. I went to a private school and we had to wear a uniform and only certain types of hosiery were permitted. When one of these schoolmates starts complaining about things pertaining to the uniform, I kind of move away from her both physically and emotionally. Who still complains about something so trivial years later?
The photo of August seems, to me, to be the only one untouched by AI. Not one of the others is a convincing natural photo.
If only we could see a clear pic of `Archie's' left ear, that'd clinch it. August's left one is very distinctive in both shape and pattern of ridges.

BTW the names of both Eugenie's children make me cringe, so Hanoverian. The last Duke of Cumberland was Ernest Augustus and Butcher Cumberland was William Augustus. I wonder what resonances were in Eugenie's mind when they chose those names?
Yes, that touched my heart too, the bravery of hospital personnels all over the world and I remember with pain the time, the loneliness of life without my grandchildren during covid.

The sussex pair are truly disgusting human beings, NO humanitarians.

Maneki Neko said…
@Girl with a Hat

I found this on reddit, it's 2 years old.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/14kt8p4/loads_of_theories_on_twitter_that_august_has_been/

I found this. Ignore the video, it's irrelevant, there's a photo of Eugenie with Augustus as a baby and in the 2nd link, a photo of * with Archie and Desmond Tutu.
https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-fans-spot-lookalike-harry-32739641
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/15C61/production/_108958198_7ba980f4-36db-4144-854b-e08d6cd4355c.jpg

The ears are different. In any case, the Harkles are not with Eugenie very often and would Eugenie let them use her son for their nefarious ends?
I've no idea who the babies are but there's been more or less a consistency in appearance since the first photo of the wee lad running along the beach, IMO. The babies we were shown were real little `bruisers', looking as if they might grow up into heavyweight boxers, whereas later Archies are lightly built.
BTW, when I'm wittering on about the ears, I'm thinking about shape, size and details of the ridges and folds.
Regarding Eugenie, her attitude to the Waleses seems ambivalent. Meghan's bid for attention at her wedding seems to have been forgiven but weren't there reports that she and Bea, as princesses `of the blood', hadn't very welcoming to Catherine? Are they too much under the shadow of Soho House?
Sassie said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid, you mused about rumours that Eugenie & Beatrice had not been very welcoming to Catherine in the beginning.

I believe that to be true at least on the part of Eugenie. I will never forget when the camera witnessed friction on the part of Eugenie towards Catherine in link below. Mute the video because the cutesy music makes this seem like a lark, but if you watch on silent I think you, too, will get the message of dominance Eugenie sent to Catherine.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dCPnBlXmNdo

Next, here is an article with link to same video; if you don’t care to read the article I’ve pulled quoted points I think most salient, and my own opinions & info:

- clip on social media showed Catherine & William with Eugenie just behind leaving St Mary Magdalene Church on Sandringham estate Christmas morning 2011

- I am confident Eugenie pushed, jostled, elbowed, or in some way was ungracious in pushing behind Duchess Catherine, as one can see Catherine was startled and looked over quickly at Eugenie, however it was no accident on Eugenie’s part because if it were unintended, Eugenie would’ve turned and given a quick apology to show it was accidental

-Eugenie powered through stolidly and determinedly, with body language like a football player so I conclude she meant to do exactly what she did

- 2011 was the year that Prsses Beatrice & Eugenie had 24-hour state-funded security rescinded and Eugenie likely was insulted at the perceived unfairness that a non-born-Royal (Catherine) got security, but born-Royal Eugenie’s was taken away

Body language expert Judi James was quoted:

“Taken at face value, there seem to be reasons why this is suggested as a sign of possible friction or frostiness from Princess Eugenie to Kate at this stage in their relationship.”

"Eugenie clearly wears an unsmiling expression despite the fact the other royals seem to be in full social smile mode.”

“But with her rather grim facial expression and Kate’s apparent look of surprise followed by a checking gaze, it’s odd there was no smiling response of apology here during Eugenie’s sudden urgent dash.”

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To this day the video surprises and annoys me. My previous goodwill towards Eugenie was destroyed that day, and my estimation of Catherine rose immeasurably…she handled the awkward situation regally and like a total champ.
Thank you! I hadn't see that before, let alone the analysis, and it certainly looks as if Eugenie had it in for Catherine right from the start - I'd just read reports of cattiness, based apparently on Catherine's non-royal background, one of new wealth.
I wouldn't now be surprised to find Eugenie likes to collaborate with H & * to help undermine the Wales branch of the family.
I always thought that the York girls' ridiculous headgear in the church when William married was because they wanted to show to Catherine who the true blood princess's were, they were so idiotic behind the Queen.

No wonder (the jealousy), Catherine is stunning, the Yorks not so much.

Might H now be panicking over not yet (if ever) getting IPP status, as a former soldier is now on trial over events in N.Ireland 50 years ago? Is he afraid of his alleged behaviour in the past catching up with him?
`Bearing humble pie' is a strange turn of phrase. It makes it sound as if * will be bringing a pie containing venison offal (US: `variety meats'), expecting to force the real Royals to abase themselves by eating it.
On second thoughts, that is probably nearer *'s intention than the idea that she'd be prepared to eat it herself.
I have been thinking that the baroness lies to the world because that is how she has always got everything she wanted. But now I believe that she lies to herself because she simply cannot stand how shallow and empty she is.

It must be horrible life constantly living in a world that does not EXIST outside your own head. And her "husband" is forced to live that same life inside the head of his wife. Huh!!

Girl with a Hat said…
I don`t think playing video games in a bunker, guarded by gurkhas while in Afghanistan is anything to worry about
@GWAH
I was thinking about what allegedly happened during off-duty `leisure activities', once his initial requirements had been met...
So Andrew is out, now how about Harry and his wife?

Girl with a Hat said…
So will this be the last time we see Fergie for a while? How will she continue to grift without her title?

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