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The Nutty Flavor Challenge: An exit package for Meghan

Many readers responded to our previous challenge about reviving Meghan's image by saying it is simply too late to do so. Meghan needs to leave the Royal Family and return to the US, they said, possibly taking Prince Harry with her.

But so far, Meghan has shown no inclination to do so.

If you were Queen Elizabeth II or Prince Charles, (who is supposedly in charge at the moment), what would you do to encourage her? What type of "exit package" would you offer?

And would Harry and Archificial come along?

We should probably consider the angle that the Sussexes are currently setting up a foundation which seems to be up to no good, and which could damage the reputation of the Royal Family as a whole.

(This question was suggested by reader BooBigly.)

Comments

punkinseed said…
Great idea, but Megs would no doubt find a way to prevent or disrupt by putting on her muumuu again and showing up with the baby. And to ensure she gets Harry away from the guys' weekend, she'll tell him something like the baby is sick and they need to take him to the ER.
Now! said…
It's tough to get people out of toxic situations unless they can see an alternative life that would be better.

I'm not sure what other things are out there waiting for Harry.
Now! said…
I think the same class of people who gave Andrew money might give the Sussex Foundation money. Oligarchs from rogue nations types, maybe Epstein types.
punkinseed said…
Louise, Ahh. ok. So that's when he had banned the press. I didn't know which event it was he'd done that.
Mischi, interesting. One wonders who would donate to such causes. If someone donates they want the tax credits, so if it's not a charity, how does that happen? Can donors get tax credits for foundation contributions?
I don't understand how Megs and Harry can have this "foundation" outside of BP and still be working royals who get funded by the monarchy funds. It's looking rather murky. Kind of like Clinton kind of murky.
Suzanne Wilson said…
Pretty sure Diana had what's called Borderline Personality Disorder. In fact, I think she was actually diagnosed as such. I think that's why William and Kate have involved themselves in Mental health issues. I wish William would come clean about it. He doesn't have to air all the dirty laundry but a lot of people might be helped if he were honest about his mother's illness and called it by its name. It wasn't just a little light bulimia.
Girl with a Hat said…
it doesn't seem ridiculous because a lot of cases in the UK and the US are argued on habeus corpus which comes from the Magna Carta.
marvelousmagda said…
Mischi, moving the goalposts, hmmm? As soon as I debunk one of your pop-offs, you spawn another. So, you are the one saying that someone in the BRF may have a STD, not me. I was speaking in a general way in musing what TP1 was referencing. I tire of your antics. Moving on.
Anonymous said…
True that, Nutty. Most people prefer the misery they know to the unknown.
Unknown said…
No Louise, the Queen lived through the Edward and Wallis embarrassment. She never expected her father who was ill-treated by his father, to ascend the throne. She was taught from a young age that duty to the realm and being head of the CoE was important. That was the era she grew up in, I wouldn't beat up on her. Most mothers are lionesses, she was in her own way by protecting her family, covering their indiscretions. She is sovereign of the UK and Commonwealth and takes that role very seriously. She allowed PP to be a man in her house, not emasculate him.
QueenWhitby said…
Balmoral is coming Ozmanda - stay tuned.
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punkinseed said…
So true Nutty about the extra layer of formality. Kate is excellent at capturing her kids. She has a great eye.
In the course of my work I had to take a lot of shots. My favorite moments were when people didn't know I was shooting them for publication. The moment they saw me they'd pose, which blows the moment, especially kids who all wanted to be in the newspaper.
SwampWoman said…
Ozmanda, sounds pretty fascinating to me!

/Employees have asked me what I do for fun. When I told them (reading technical manuals and raising livestock), they were incredulous. I suppose I'm really, really boring, too.
freddie_mac said…
The BRF is old enough that a number of traditions have the force of law. Once Megs joined the BRF, she ceased to be a private citizen and became subject to those traditions. Here's two that have only recently been modified:

1. Royal permission to marry: the 1772 Royal Marriages Act stated that all marriages to a member of the British royal family were subject to the approval of the reigning monarch. This was modified in 2013 with the passing of the Succession to the Crown Act. Now, only the first six royals in line for the throne require permission. Harry was fifth in line when he announced his engagement, but bumped down to sixth after Louis was born.

2. Witnesses at a Royal Birth: In 1688, James II's wife gave birth to a living and healthy boy, who would undoubtedly be raised a Catholic and would be next in line to the throne. James’s enemies later developed an elaborate theory that a live newborn from another mother had been slipped into Mary of Modena’s bed in a warming pan to replace her own stillborn child. This led to the tradition that Home secretaries were required to attend royal births, which was ended in 1948 (prior to the birth of PC).

So, could HMTQ make a case to remove Archie from Megs and/or PH? Certainly; she could lean on "welfare of the child" (esp. if one/both parents are involved in drugs) and grant provisional custody to one of her grandchildren.
freddie_mac said…
(looks like my comment got eaten?)
When Megs joined the BRF, she became subject to a number of traditions that have the force of law -- she is no longer a private citizen. Here's two that have only recently been modified:

1. Monarch's permission required to marry: 1772 Royal Marriages Act stated that all marriages to a member of the British royal family were subject to the approval of the reigning monarch. This was modified in 2013, and only applies to the first six in line for the throne (PH was fifth in line when the engagement was announced).

2. Home secretaries witness royal births: dates back to 1688 when questions were raised about the birth of James II's son ("warming pan scandal"). This was eliminated in 1948, prior to the birth of PC.

So, HMTQ certainly could exercise her rights under tradition to remove Archie from the custody of his parents, and if she leaned on "welfare of the child," there would be very little outcry. After all, who would leave a child in the custody of negligent/drug-using parents?
marjorie said…
A trip to Paris.
Hikari said…
Can we possibly dare to hope that "A birthday tea party at Balmoral" for Meghan is actually HMTQ code for "Your sacking/exit interview from the Family"? And it's taking place in Balmoral so as to be nice and remote, in case Smeaghan pitches an epic fit?

Harry and Smegs were not invited to Balmoral last year; leastways, if invited, they did not show. Perhaps there was a movie premiere in London they were more keen on. Once again, as with the "Kate is throwing Meghan a private baby shower" and "Meghan is guest-editing Vogue September issue and is going to be a guest columnist!", etc., perhaps the "Her Majesty is hosting a birthday tea party for Meghan at Balmoral" is another of Smeaghan's fantasias which she releases to her sugar media outlets. She floats ideas out there she *wants* to happen and then they become as good as reality in her mind. This is magical thinking . . .but it also puts her targets in an awkward position. Do they issue statements of vociferous denial, and make it appear that they are ungenerous . . .or even hostile . .to the Duchess of Sussex because of her race? (Her 'bestie' Priyanka took to Twitter to flat-out deny meeting Archie at Fraudmore as was broadcast . . .something tells me that 'friendship' of mutual convenience is now over) . . or, do the involved parties either say, "Wow, that's a great idea! Why didn't we think of that? Get Meghan on the phone!" or else, quietly bow to the perceived pressure to do what Smegs is demanding in order to avoid looking confrontational or 'not-woke'.

Under the current circumstances, if an invite to Balmoral is actually forthcoming, I'll take it as proof positive that the Royal Marbles are scattered. Of course, Smeg could create the impression that she took tea with the Queen in Scotland on her birthday, just as she's creating the impression that she's avidly watching pensioners lawn-bowl from the window of her luxuriously-renovated cottage. Presumably while nursing Archie in the vegan nursery and doing post-natal yoga at the same time.

**************

Two items for your amusement today. Smegs's sugars are still churning out le merde, as Elle would say:

This is Meghan's version of global philanthropy . . .'changing lives around the world' by wearing jeans!!!!

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/style/fashion-trends/a28198319/meghan-markle-outland-denim-jeans-interview/

************

This one is particularly interesting. Harper's Bazaar is solidly in the tank for Meghan, so I'm thinking that this headline/article was completely un-ironic from their end . . they printed what they were given. So the only conclusion to be drawn is that Smeaghan is taking the p*$$ with the world big-time. And she's laughing all the way to the bank . . .
Here they 'report' on a 'legitimate' story in US Weekly (must be a sister publication??) that "Princess Charlotte treats Archie like a little doll."

Yes, it actually says this. Let us take a moment of silence for American 'journalism'. RIP.
I've had a subscription to Harper's for a couple of years, but I won't be renewing it. After the Meghan debacle, I won't be buying or clicking on American 'lifestyle' mags again, since I know how blithely 'pay to print' is in play. Unless, of course, her money runs out and they start printing stories about her gruesome fall.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a28447878/prince-george-princess-charlotte-archie-bonding/


LPB said…
I think MM is going to be in the picture for the next 1-2 years. Even if she and PH are having marital problems and/or currently not living together, I'm not convinced she's ready to throw in the towel just yet. MM is angling for the biggest payout possible, so it is in her best interest to stay as long as she can. There will almost certainly be a second child (if there isn't one on the way already), and, and this is a big AND, she probably has gathered some kind of "intel" on the BRF that she will leverage for the biggest possible payout. I think she will walk away from this marriage with a sizable settlement (somewhere in the $40-50MM dollar range), and you can bet she walks away smelling like a rose because that will be part of the deal too.
Right now, I am on the fence about PH. He almost certainly played a role in all of this. I believe the talk about his jealousy of William and his wanting to cash in (ie modernize the RF). Does he not realize that being part of the RF is his currency? That the monarchy will always chose to support the future king (Charles and William) over a minor royal? Was he so naive that he really thought he could get away with all this? If he walks away from his family, he will become the modern version of his great-uncle, Edward, who abdicated the throne and became invisible and irrelevant. At this point, he must be realizing some of these inescapable truths. I feel that PH is the one who will be the big loser in this scenario when it finally resolves because of the poor choices he has made.
MM will walk away with a big settlement and say, "I tried. I guess I wasn't cut out for Royal life." PH will look like a traitor to his family for going rogue and trying to cash in on the privilege of having been born a Royal. The RF will have their hands full in the aftermath trying to resuscitate his image with the British public.
Hikari said…
Agreed . . Smeaghan will walk away with a very healthy settlement (which she will have run through in a few years keeping up with her A-list celeb 'friends') and will move on to her next con. It doesn't matter how much money she stockpiles; it will never be enough. Greed like hers is never satisfied or content in the 'Now'. Greed is always looking out for the next scam and way to turn a buck. And greed isn't just about money--she doesn't want anyone else around her to have a peaceful, contented life, either. She stirs up because she can; it's her wiring and she will never ever stop.

She'll move on eventually, though she may find that she is not going to be able to successfully snare another meal-ticket man after these antics.

What will become of Harry? With his reputation as the lovable royal in tatters, and with the very public shirking of his duty and his appearance, in thrall to his overbearing wife, and this shady Sussex Foundation (which will be revealed for what it is, I believe, though MM may be conveniently gone from the scene by then), recouping the affection he was formerly held in is probably not in the cards. He's burnt too many bridges. That trust will never be reconstructed. He will likely go live abroad (Africa?) quietly and no longer be a working royal. If he stays in London, his profile will be reduced to nothing. He will get the most obscure engagements if any at all. He will be known forevermore as the weak-minded party prince duped by That Woman. He's Edward 2.0.

I really fear for Harry's ongoing mental health. As much as he rails against his family, they are literally all he's got. Being Prince Harry is his only identity . . what else is he good for? What self-sustaining skills has he got? If he's cut adrift from both them and the woman who promised to love him forever, he's not going to copel
Hikari said…
@marvelous,
Thank you for providing this verse. It's a wonderful comfort to me. :)
Right now, we are still scratching our heads, along with the prophet Jeremiah, who asked God, quite rightly, too, : "I would speak with you about your justice: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?"
(Jer. 12:1)

I'm holding out for your scenario, and for our Proverbs 11:10 moment:
When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices; when the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.
MaLissa said…
@Mischi - didn't Harry take an HIV test with Rihanna when he was over there in Barbados on tour and they both were negative? It was in the papers. Can't find now.
Hikari said…
Lurking,
At the time of Thomas's Troubles, several articles came out detailing his financial woes. Despite being a two-time lottery winner, a lightning-striking twice situation that is unbelievably fortunate, Thomas is not living south of the border as the patron of a thriving hacienda, as we are all aware. Bankrupted by bad investment schemes, he's now facing the twilight of his life a broke, sick old man. Thank you for educating me about liens. Is it credible to think that in addition to these, Tom Markle may also have significant problems with the IRS over non-payment of taxes on that lottery income, which it is possible that he lost before he could pay the taxes on it? There is also the possibility that his past/present enthusiasm for controlled substances may play a part in the reason Mexico is a more attractive place for him to live than the U.S. California is a very expensive place to live in. If Mr. Markle has taken refuge in Mexico to escape his problems in el Norte, I wouldn't blame him at this point in his life. All of his children, frankly, are nightmares, but the youngest one has to hurt the most, seeing as she's in a position to help him out now and repay him for all those years he spent subsidizing her education at top schools and her ambitions in show business. My remarks weren't intended as 'accusations', just observations. We can add speculations to the list. I'm sure there are sources out there that would not paint a rosy or perhaps even strictly legal picture of the Markle, Sr. financial picture, but I will leave that to paralegals to dig up.

Hikari said…
My sympathies have actually come around to Tom from this point a year ago. One of my grievances against Smeaghan is making me swallow the "Poor little me, victimized by my monstrous dad and toxic siblings!" narrative. She played me good on that one. The Markle family does nothing to help themselves in this regard, so they've made it really easy for her . . but the truth, as with most things, is probably somewhere in the middle. My feelings have moderated even toward Samantha, who, though she's done some really stupid ostentatious things like fly to London uninvited and lurk outside the BP gates for attention, turns out not to have been wrong in her assessment of her little sister's character.

At the time of Photo Gate, I thought "Poor guy has to sell some photos to be able to afford his plane fare to the wedding." I wondered why his daughter couldn't fly her old dad first class to her wedding out of all those vaunted self-made millions she's got. If you want to hear an *accusation*, now, I've got one for you . . .Meghan herself arranged for these 'photo shoots' (I know the official line was Samantha did it), telling her doting and unsuspecting father that it'd be a good way to 'introduce' himself to the world as her father and he'd be doing her a favor. Who would question the 'OK-ness' of doing such a thing if he hadn't heard the Palace protocols himself?' Then the crap hit the fan, and that must have been quite a shock to Papa Markle. The stress could very well have incited a heart attack in a man with already fragile cardiac health. So we are potentially dealing with a woman who is not above hounding her own father into a heart attack to make herself look good by comparison as a sainted victim.

I've got no proof of these things, of course, which makes them 'accusations.' Tom does not strike me as a media mastermind, given his demeanor during interviews. Those might be Smeaghan-driven as well, just to keep the narrative going. Who knows what kind of blackmail material she may be holding over her own dad? It must be quite a feeling to be frightened of one's own child and realize the extent to which the child of your body and your heart has duped you for years.
Con't . .
Mr. Markle is a rough hewn character, and has made bad choices in his life; we can debate endlessly the 'nature' vs 'nurture' contribution to sociopathy. Tom would seem to have a burden of guilt there no matter which side of the argument one falls on, and Doria, too. But I look at Thomas Markle, and he seems to me now to epitomize that quote from King Lear, "How like a serpent's tooth it is/To have an ungrateful child."
Hikari said…
Lurking,

I am having trouble posting a response to you. The first half of my response got eaten; trying this one.

My sympathies have actually come around to Tom from this point a year ago. One of my grievances against Smeaghan is making me swallow the "Poor little me, victimized by my monstrous dad and toxic siblings!" narrative. She played me good on that one. The Markle family does nothing to help themselves in this regard, so they've made it really easy for her . . but the truth, as with most things, is probably somewhere in the middle. My feelings have moderated even toward Samantha, who, though she's done some really stupid ostentatious things like fly to London uninvited and lurk outside the BP gates for attention, turns out not to have been wrong in her assessment of her little sister's character.

At the time of Photo Gate, I thought "Poor guy has to sell some photos to be able to afford his plane fare to the wedding." I wondered why his daughter couldn't fly her old dad first class to her wedding out of all those vaunted self-made millions she's got. If you want to hear an *accusation*, now, I've got one for you . . .Meghan herself arranged for these 'photo shoots' (I know the official line was Samantha did it), telling her doting and unsuspecting father that it'd be a good way to 'introduce' himself to the world as her father and he'd be doing her a favor. Who would question the 'OK-ness' of doing such a thing if he hadn't heard the Palace protocols himself?' Then the crap hit the fan, and that must have been quite a shock to Papa Markle. The stress could very well have incited a heart attack in a man with already fragile cardiac health. So we are potentially dealing with a woman who is not above hounding her own father into a heart attack to make herself look good by comparison as a sainted victim.

I've got no proof of these things, of course, which makes them 'accusations.' Tom does not strike me as a media mastermind, given his demeanor during interviews. Those might be Smeaghan-driven as well, just to keep the narrative going. Who knows what kind of blackmail material she may be holding over her own dad? It must be quite a feeling to be frightened of one's own child and realize the extent to which the child of your body and your heart has duped you for years.

Mr. Markle is a rough hewn character, and has made bad choices in his life; we can debate endlessly the 'nature' vs 'nurture' contribution to sociopathy. Tom would seem to have a burden of guilt there no matter which side of the argument one falls on, and Doria, too. But I look at Thomas Markle, and he seems to me now to epitomize that quote from King Lear, "How like a serpent's tooth it is/To have an ungrateful child."
LPB said…
Yes, Hikari, I am with you. His mental health and insecurities regarding his place in the Royal family are about the only rationale I can think of for his bad choices. I do worry for him; he has a rough road ahead of him.
Unknown said…
Elle, that was one reason why Diana never left the UK after her divorce. She was not allowed to take her two sons since they were minors. In law, the Monarchy, whoever is King/Queen has automatic custody of minor Royals.
ColleenS said…
For some reason, I see her latching onto Elon Musk, and lighting the joints with hundred dollar bills.
Anonymous said…
I read today that the feds sat down with Bill Clinton for an interview on Friday. The subject was Epstein so hopefully some of these men will have criminal charges filed against them.
Hikari said…
I'm really wondering what went down in Jamaica at Tom Inskip's wedding. At that point, April, 2017, he'd broken it off with her and hadn't seen her since the Christmas before . . at least 4 months. Apparently he'd already RSVP'd that he'd be bringing Megs as his plus one to this 'do? Sending out invites before New Year to a wedding in mid-April seems a wee bit early, but perhaps it was a verbal agreement--one that Smeg did not let him forget about. He agreed that she could come--as long as she made her own travel arrangements. From Harry's view, based on the stiff, cool, uncomfortable way he greeted her (standing like a tin soldier; allowing her to embrace him but not reciprocating), this was repayment of a social debt to an old girlfriend, no kind of promise that they were rekindling. Smegs made sure she was photographed with him, but group shots show her watching the rest of the others from a distance away, looking thunderous. She managed to isolate him at a table for two (classic) and went to work on him. He looks irritated/disinterested as he tries to talk to other guests that come to their table. She does not interact with anyone else. The later shots show him definitely agitated/altered, whether high, drunk or both, with his fists clenched and his face tight. This is not the face of a bloke having a laugh with an old flame at a mate's wedding. Her demeanor is that of a spider, clawing and clutching as is her MO.

Was Harry in this kind of incapacitated state when she 'talked him into' a marriage and/or baby? I don't think anyone falls under the malignant 'charms' of Shelob when he is sober and fully in his right mind.
SwampWoman said…
"Bonding"? Archie is plastered to Markle's chest and stomach and trying to breathe. He's not bonding with anybody. He's not interacting with anybody. Maybe they (HB) are in possession of some top secret pictures that I am not aware of.
LPB said…
I agree with SwishyFishy that the Sussex Foundation is a cashcow infinitum, but it is still based on the fact that they are Royal. That is the currency. There are two possible ways out for the RF: 1) Cut them off AND take away their titles....bye bye foundation! or 2) PH divorces MM and there goes her title and her access to foundation.
Anonymous said…
I would also say that this is a spectacle de merde. Wouldn't it be more likely that Louis would be bonding now that Archie is almost walking (or wishes he could if he weren't being dangled and smothered by a mad woman?)
Anonymous said…
And another thought: was Archie perhaps held the entire time b/c if he'd been put into a stroller he'd have tried sitting up or performing some other task far beyond the abilities of a 2 mo?
LPB said…
Maybe he was initially "incapacitated" by her persuasive plans for their future, but he had plenty of time to come to his senses before they were married. I think it is much more likely that he was/is on board with their plans to modernize the monarchy and do the "royal" thing their way. I think she won him over with talk of making tons of money via merching and foundation work and having worldwide influence for their charitable work. Remember that William will one day be a very, very rich man when he inherits the monies and lands that come with the crown; William will also one day have worldwide influence and power. Harry just doesn't have the same upside potential. Perhaps Harry thought MM's plans could equal the playing field between him and his brother. This scenario, to me, is the most reasonable explanation as to why Harry would make the choices he's made. He was/is on board with MM's plans to make money and have worldwide influence. The shocker is the hubris on both their parts thinking that they could change a centuries old system such as the monarchy...well maybe they CAN get away with it for a short while, until the hammer comes crashing down. Who knows, maybe that was their plan all along...let's do this until they tell us no, and by then we will have made tons of $ and made a name for ourselves.
To me the big question is why would the RF allow all this to happen (including the marriage)? But if all of this is deeply rooted in Harry's envy of his brother and his own insecurity regarding his place in the RF, then maybe they had no option but to let him have his way, knowing that it would all end badly, but that by letting him have his way, they wouldn't lose Harry forever.
Anonymous said…
For those who need a little amusement today, video of Kate scarfing the megster at Wimbledon: https://the-charlatan-duchess.tumblr.com/

Also, a first leak from Radar Online about how MM chose the date to announce Archie's birth...
Jdubya said…
hey Nutty or anybody - do any of you know where these "riddles" with MM Anon are coming from? or where they are orginally posted? I read them and the guesses as to what they mean on a tumblr page


MM Anon

skippyv20
MM ANON …Aggressively malevolent PR. “You can fool some …… “. Family revelation will cause concern”. Tension approaches a forty something. A PRESS-ing question. Denials surrounds a disturbing op-Ed. Another Annus Horribilis?? “Circle the WAG-ons”. A LARGE amount of earlier hush money. … hidden bodies talk. “It’s in the (royal) mail.

Interesting….thank you😁❤️❤️❤️❤️

Source: skippyv20
ColleenS said…
Elle, I love your posts!!! Amen to everything you said up there! Now, go walk the corgis lololol!
punkinseed said…
Could it be possible that the Sussex goals are not to change the monarchy? Is it possible they simply want to milk it as long as they can for all its worth until their BS foundation is up and running to their liking? Then, as LPB suggests, they are simply waiting for the hammer to come crashing down and they deliberately push the royal family too far and cut them off?
Their plan might be that they can't or won't suddenly walk away from the life Harry has always known. This whacky foundation is more like some kind of gradual transition to create their own private kingdom.
Combine that with Harry's deep seated envy, Meg's NPD and her jealousy of Wills and Kate and it makes a lot of sense. Harry reminds me of dimwit, inept Fredo Corleoni on steroids. Recall the scene where Fredo, jealous, angry, frustrated and sidelined all those years by his father and later his youngest brother Michael: "... I"m smart Mike. I can run things...." or something along those lines.
Thank you for the link Elle. I'll have to check it out.
Sooz said…
Don't know where the riddles come from, but I have been somewhat fascinated by her whole schtick ... the riddles, emsi(?) the master decoder, the Speculation ... Not quite sure what's going on there and I can only take it in small doses, but I wonder if there are other PTB behind it.
LPB said…
I agree...this could very well be the plan.
Amanda said…
Further thought - I think the danger sparkles spun for herself is this - if she was beloved by the public, the BRF would be less inclined to dump her, however it seems that she is very much disliked, so that leaves her vulnerable.

BTW I am also Ozmanda, unsure why the site keeps chopping and changing myt name :)
Anonymous said…
From Twitter what I've learned is Skippy is in communication with Torontopaper1. Torontopaper1 is a collection of Markled MM's former friends. TP isn't one person but a small group. They took turns sending communications to MM through that TP Twitter account. MM is working aggressively to shut down Skippy permanently. MM has shut her down at least twice previously on Tumbler and once on Twitter. Which is why she's back on Tumblr again. TP always spoke in riddles but said publicly that MM would know what they meant. I miss Drip Drop more than TP1.
Anonymous said…
Why thank you, Colleen :) I do love the corgis so I'll give them an extra walk around for you.

When I want to be wicked (which is entirely too often), I look at the photos of Lord G meeting up with the markle. The grip and the way he leans in and she pulls back says it all. I'm fairly certain that hundreds of years of wielding power at the highest level has taught the BRF a thing or two about dealing with the skanky, sleazy, grasping, greedy, conniving... oh, I need a c-word here... hmmm?? whatever word comes to mind... that is the markle.
SwampWoman said…
@Elle: By Jove, I think you've got it!
KayeC said…
They created the monster by not reigning her in from the day one! If you let someone break protocol rules the person feels the rules apply to everyone else but not them.
Anonymous said…
I reread my above post. It's jumbled garbage. The cryptic posts are messages meant for MM. She understands what they mean and are meant to taunt her. The BRF cancelled the NDAs everyone signed before the marriage so there's a day of reckoning fast approaching for MM.
Anonymous said…
If the first hint of a "real" birth date has been dropped in the press, it's hard to imagine that there won't be more to come. The birth date explains many things, but also raises the surrogate question in the first legitimate way. I have no doubt (nor do most of us) that mm played the press and the palace, but if the information is now leaking, I hope the BRF is ready for the hell that will ensue because that means... well, we all know what that means. It also means that I must go now and stock up on my supply of virtual pitchforks for the upcoming supply/demand opportunities ahead.

Two more questions for Lord G and the corgis:

Is it possible that Archie had already been born when Prince George said that was his name? How did the markle keep baby Archie so still and quiet without sedation?

--Asking for friends with pitchforks
Anonymous said…
By "real birth date being dropped", I'm referring to this from Charlatan Duchess. I have not verified it, so skepticism, but:



"Anonymous asked:
That Radar article is setting the stage for something. This last line, "decided to announce her son’s birth on her terms, rather than on the same day of his birth." Umm, allegedly Archie was born on May 6 early in the morning. It was announced later that day after the birth, but ON THAT DAY. Unless of course, Archie wasn't born May 6th! This leads to all kinds of speculation that might be in the press soon, so pr is changing the info about WHAT DAY the baby was born. Interesting..."

This would also explain the truly bizarre Christening photo and metadata as well.
SwampWoman said…
Sooooo, did they give her a pass because as an American she knows nothing about politeness and protocol and therefore needs more than a year of intensive instruction to sort it out, or did they give her a pass for being mixed race AND an American and therefore too dim to sort it out even with intensive instruction? (Treating people differently because of their background is offensive to everybody.)
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Hikari said…
I don't know if they just never intended to issue her instructions and she was allowed to do whatever she wanted, or they DID try to instruct her and she has refused to comply with anything. If the first, shame on the RF. If the second, shame on HM for allowing this marriage to go forward the way it did. If Haz wanted to pitch a fit and say that he was marrying her anyway, or that he had already in fact married her, then HM should have said, "Fine . . but the consequences will be the following: You will not be working royals; I will not give you a splashy show wedding, and your bint does not get a title. You may wed her in a registry office and I will give you an adequate grace-and-favor home. I think I have a few gameskeepers' cottages going spare. You will get X amount per year from your father and from your trust funds, but that's as far as it goes." HM's acquiescence to the lavish televised wedding and her continued silence about all the manipulated digital images of the baby and all the fake 'stories' planted by Meghan is mystifying. I wonder if Her Maj knows that she's supposed to be throwing Megs a lavish birthday tea at Balmoral? She's only got a couple more weeks to plan that puppy. (snork)

Other royal brides who have broken the code of behavior and displeased Her Majesty have paid the price . . .Look at how Sarah Ferguson has been sent to Coventry for more than 20 years, and she was from their circle. For the crime of trying to sell access to Andrew, she was banned from William's wedding, even though the groom really wanted her there. In recent years' Fergie has been invited to Royal Ascot, and was high profile at Eugenie's wedding, so perhaps her exile is over. Still, what she or Sophie Wessex did to run afoul of the Queen pale in comparison to what Smeaghan has gotten away with in just one year. There's definitely a double standard glaringly in play. There's a vast difference between making errors because you don't know better, and are really trying your best vs. flouting rules of conduct and protocol at every turn because you're giving everybody a giant finger.

William, the future King, can't wear a casual shirt to a garden outing without getting reamed by Granny. Smegs and Harry can sell their favors for 3 million dollars to their bogus foundation and lie daily to the world media and refuse to perform long-standing Royal duties . . . and . . .nothing. Big fat goose egg.


So far at least. Maybe matters are finally coming to a head.
KayeC said…
I cannot understand the non-action, if not public, at least behind closed doors. Instead it's rewarded with patronages and Wimbledon and so on. Or maybe it was Harry who was treated "special" and was allowed to break the rules, not William the future king, so by extension, MM can too?

@Hikari, I agree about the other women who married in, even Diana was reprimanded for wearing black on her first outing with Charles, and when she and Sarah F did their infamous umbrella taunting. Why is MM allowed to get away with so much, and since it has gone on for so long, how can they expect for her to follow these rules now?? For long-time royal watchers, the mind boggles!!
Avery said…
I don't see either of them wedding in secret or having the privacy to concoct/meet/facilitate a surrogate without ALL knowing. They have security and body guards. Any whiff of shenanigans (drug use, elopement) would be reported back no? So, while I've read a LOT of amazing points, I honestly think the RF is somewhat complicit and will have a hell of a time delousing their world of MM. As for Farchie ... whenever the truth finally outs, there will be an outcry. Every moon bump caress - every birth lie, every photo will burst globally.
SwampWoman said…
First they present the carrot for good behavior and, if that doesn't elicit some good behavior, she gets the stick? I can see that.

Perhaps it is as simple as Brexit, Iran seizing British flagged tankers, and other things that we do not/will not ever know about happening behind the scenes that are far more important than protocol breaches by an unknown actress married into the family.

PP's declining health is of much more importance to HM, I'm sure, than the saga of Harry and the Harpy. Time for Big Daddy Chuck to grow a, er, spine, (yeah, that's it), and step up to the plate and take charge of his family.
Hikari said…
Diana was famously falling out of that black dress she wore to accompany Charles to a 'do when she was his fiancee. Quipped Charles: 'A feast to set before a King', or something like that. I'm sure he appreciated the dress (by Emanuel, her wedding dress designer) even if HMTQ didn't. But . . it was up to the RF to instruct the bride-to-be that black was not acceptable in the RF except for funerals. (Must be some holdover from Queen Victoria?) To most people, black connotes formal/fancy as well as funereal. As a fiancee, Di could hardly be blamed if no one told her of this. Di claimed that while she was living with the Queen Mum at Clarence House during her engagement, she felt all at sea because nobody helped her or told her sod all about how to behave and what to do. I find this so hard to comprehend. Diana may have been trolling for sympathy and downplaying the amount of help she actually did receive, but I can believe that whatever she was taught, protocol-wise, was not sufficient. She was a cowed 19-year-old in awe of where she found herself. Despite being an aristocrat, I think her courtly behavior training may have been spotty to non-existent owing to growing up in a fractured household. Diana was, at least in the early years, desirous of learning, though.

Smeg does not do 'awe', and nor is she desirous of hewing to codes to please anybody . . .but since she's an American from a sparse background who likely did not discover salad forks until she started dating a chef, one would suppose that the Palace tried to provide basic instruction in How to Be a Duchess. Maybe that's a wrong assumption. It appears that the prevailing mode of thought in the House of Windsor is "Do nothing . . . they either pick it up by osmosis or they don't. If they don't, they should." I am a far softer breed of American than is Smeaghan, but I can see that directness might be the only way to get anything done over there to help oneself, seeing as mind-reading is not really an option.
punkinseed said…
I can't find any article or blurb on Radar about birthdate. :(
abbyh said…
re: Diana and guidance from the BRF. I seem to remember reading about some guy who had some great career and then left that to become this person to help her (it would be the next big step up) but it blew up in his face. She didn't want to learn the bits he was supposed to teach her and he really couldn't make her.

I would suspect they would continue to try to help teach her (as part of the accepting her) and to help her assimilate.

I would suspect that if she is like the people I know who have supreme confidence within themselves, that they pretty much know anything worth knowing (and you need bask in their worthiness, intelligence, general perfection and accept that you can't or do anything better/smarter and so on) ... any person trying to guide would be swatted away like a mosquito.

There is something sad about watching someone reinvent the wheel. Even more cringing when it is so public.
Humor Me said…
Chiming in - I searched earlier in the day and was unable to find anything about the birthdate on Radar either.
Mary said…
There’s only one way to get rid of the slattern, the queen has to remove all the privileges that make having her claws in the ginger whinger rewarding. Now, I can hear you now, she’ll spill secrets etc.. for goodness sakes anything she can say is either known or suspected. Queenie or her lawyer needs to sit Harry down, explaining that due to the economy and his wife’s excesses they’ve gotten so much criticism that in solidarity with the people they are removing him from the civil list, which means no more patronage’s, so no more duties paid for by the public. They have 30 days to find a private home, and also private stabling for his polo ponies and go live that private life they hanker for at Harry and Me-Gain’s personal expense. As such, no, they can not use the term royal in any foundation. SMeg will be gone before Harry can demand she start paying her own clothing and travel bills.
Mary said…
To that Mischi person, aside from a few college chums and parasites like Gayle King and Porkrah Winfrey, the ones behind SMegma Markle, and her machinations are ALL Canuckistani, British and in case of Amal Clooney, Arab or whatever. You need to pull your head out of your backside dear.. we Americans aren’t going to be your whipping post. SMegma might be American, but she’s the sort of trash some in the UK and Europe have enabled, praised to promote your selves as better than Americans. You did it with Porkrah Winfrey, praising her when she was interviewed on British tv saying white people have to die off. SMegma is your chickens, or maybe a more apt description is vultures, coming home to roost. Seriously. Your lot, to borrow a phrase from my youth, have no sense of history. SMegma is what you have encouraged those like her to feel entitled to be, only your ticked as she’s impinging on you. Fact, we in the States don’t want her, she belongs in hO Canada.
Lady Muck said…
I'm very happy for Kate & William to continue with their current workload whilst their children are young. They seem to being doing a marvellous job giving their children a happy, supportive childhood and they won't ever have that time back when the serious royal work begins.

Kate is smart and as well as educating herself about children's mental health, she is patron of the National Portrait Gallery. A few years ago there was an exhibition on Victorian art photography and she wrote about several of the images in a very insightful and intelligent manner.
Jdubya said…
It was there . I saw it . I'll try to find again. Was last line in article.
Jdubya said…
She also had a lavish baby shower in New York, opted out of the hospital photoshoot and decided to announce her son’s birth on her terms, rather than on the same day of his birth.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/07/queen-elizabeth-bans-further-pets-castle/
Anonymous said…
Wow, @Mary, I'm just going to say it: Usually, I don't see racism or general nastiness to other Nutties here. We're generally respectful to each other, even when we disagree. It's disappointing to see things like "To that Mischi person". And things like "Porkrah" and "Canuckistani" and "Arab or whatever", that's just fat-shaming and bigoted IMO. It's unfortunate.
Anonymous said…
Also, @Mary, critical thinking and independent research are often helpful. Just repeating fake news and hate is never helpful. Here is an article from The Weekly Standard - quite the conservative press - and they agree, Oprah never said the manure you're touting.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-lybrand/fact-check-did-oprah-say-all-white-people-have-to-die

PS I'm not a big Oprah fan, but her size is not the issue.
Anonymous said…
@Jbudya, go you! I am glad it was found, but yowza, is this the first drip into a slop bucket or what?

"rather than on the same day of his birth..." is that a hint at more to come or is it just vague and confusing writing?

If mm intentionally "chose" 5.6, it does seem quite the suck up to George Clooney. And hasn't he been quiet lately about the megster...
punkinseed said…
I'm with Elle on this Mary. I like Mischi and respect what she has to say whether I agree with her or not. And not nice making up ugly nicknames like Porkah or Canuckistani. You can get your points across without fat shaming or being a bigot. And, if you really want people to listen to you and respect what you have to say, you lose your audience by such ad hominem attacks.
abbyh said…
One of the nice things about visiting this blog is that it not about name calling or a place to stir up things up and try to get others to respond in equal or greater measure. It is more like a neighborhood street party where we all brought something to share.

This whole situation isn't making sense on many levels and it is being discussed in a conversational tone. Everyone brings different personal history (knowledge) and observation to the table. And it's interesting to read and ponder.

Anonymous said…
Well, thank you for standing with me Punkinseed and AbbyH. I know it's not my blog, so probably not my place, but I don't like seeing our valued street partiers (great analogy!) being denigrated and racism/xenophobia, etc. is just never okay, so I had to address it. I love our crew and I think that a lot of us come here because of the welcoming and thoughtful tone that Nutty has set.
Anonymous said…
Nutty, it turns out that Jane Goodall was a childhood hero to MM and the wonder of it all is just too much. Megs just seems to leech onto whatever cause celebre seems right at the moment. It's funny, though, because she had all of that Tigness going on, and yet, that was all about food and buying things and eating and drinking and buying more things. Except for the platitudes, I don't think that there was much written about actual causes and I can find nothing on MMs worship of her childhood hero.

So, I propose a future challenge re MMs lies and hypocrisies, and I do so for two reasons: 1) we'll all feel less gaslighted if we seek it out and document it for future reference and 2) I'm almost certain that our friends in the press read here, so maybe they'll feel compelled at some point to print the truth and call out these absurd lies/delusions/dream sequences/whatever else instead of printing MMs treacle spew.
abbyh said…
Elle, I think that the tone of the blog, set by Nutty, is/was key to why it doesn't evolve into what I describe as the typical movie wild west bar fight scene. I know I appreciate this.

Many thanks Nutty.

Anonymous said…
Seconded.
I have to ask where all of the anti-American sentiment comes from? You must realize Meghan is nothing like most Americans.
Anonymous said…
@Midwestern - I'm an American, so I'll speak to this. I've lived outside of the US in college and traveled a lot, and from those experiences I've been able to see US from a different perspective.

First, this is obviously a big country and we have such polarization right now, it is hard to say what is like most Americans IMO. I've lived in the South and the Midwest and on the West Coast, and what most Americans are like varies significantly. Our values are very diverse. Very.

In addition, I think it is important to remember that those who don't live in the US don't know what "most Americans are like". They don't know about this country's regional and political and social dynamics any more than we know about those in their countries - we have a very broad overview. So, just like us, they only see know about America based on what is in the media and from their interactions with Americans. And right now, some of those optics are unflattering, at best. Also, I've seen more than one American behave in entitled, obnoxious, embarrassing fashion in other countries. In addition, MM does embody many of the negative stereotypes of Americans even though we certainly aren't all like that. So that might be where a little of this is coming from IMO.
abbyh said…
I've traveled as a kid, lived and worked overseas as well.

What is shown on tv is not the same as what happens in the real world. Years ago, someone pointed out to me that Silver Spoons was a huge shift in how kids were portrayed on tv. Up until that point, kids were just kids and tended to do silly kid stuff. However, that was a turn when kids were shown as the intelligent one and adults were so stupid they couldn't figure out how to get out of a paper bag. It has created a lot of parenting problems in that kids watch these shows and try to emulate those behaviors.

Will the rise of cable, what was news became different (if it bleeds, it leads) for ratings. So the whole focus tilted towards more and more outrageous.

She grew up in a generation of being told they were special and trophies for just participating were and are common so little feelings weren't crushed. So there are a lot people who grew up feeling very entitled because they merely existed.

So people even here grow up watching shows like KUWTK, Three is Company, any "real housewives" and think: this is what my life should become ("reality shows" popped up during a writers strike to fill air time to the best of my recollection).

I think this is why and where a lot of the ugly American values are being reinforced. The news is not really showing ny neighborhood Fourth of July parade or a follow up to children's playground built a couple years ago (showing daily use) but they will do one on how someone is going to all the Free Little Libraries and stealing all the used kids books (selling for drugs?).

So the news is all about ugly. And, what you mentally consume tends to bring out an underlying slant to your world view. It's like a rip tide - you don't realize how far down the beach you've gone because you have lost your track of your landmarks (own values have shifted in a negative way).




Silli_emperors said…
Good points @Lurking!
Anonymous said…
Excellent analysis, @AbbyH, and I hadn't thought about reality TV because I've never watched a reality show, but I get that has had quite the social impact. I think that you're right about how they came about, too.

I think sometimes the US suffers from solipsism. We expect the world to know, care about, and understand US, and want to be like US. I've known people who went to France and complained that the food was different.
punkinseed said…
Very typical of a Narcissist to blood suck someone else's hero or instantly become a fan to distract attention from those she is in competition with to gain further status. An upstage move, again. We all might as well fasten our seatbelts, because it's going to be a long, bumpy ride. Maybe this is a good time to watch "All About Eve" again on TCM.
It occurred to me after looking again at the polo mess she made that her "surprise" reason, and she loves to cover her reason for crashing wherever she appears a surprise, is because she found out that Kate and the kids would all be at the match, including cute little Louis on one of his few publicly seen outings, and was hell bent determined to spoil it by using her baby to upstage and disrupt the photo op. Such a vampire. And, what kind of a mother uses her baby as a prop like that?
She couldn't stand the idea of Louis having all the press attention. And, she also can't stand the idea that Harry might have a good time with, or have the opportunity to heal the breach with Wills. Her mind must have been going wild as she raced to grab baby, his blankey and not so much as a bink, let alone a baby kit, threw on that muumuu sans belt, to get to the match post haste. Her muumuu pincer move was so stupid. All she did was make a spectacle of herself and add another spectacular flop to the growing list of crazy, bizarre antics.
Hikari said…
If you wish to avoid gaslighting and derangement, by all means stay away from Quora. All of MM's vociferous defenders seem to congregate over there. They all think the polo photos are completely normal! One reader opined that it's not easy holding a baby who's squirming like a turkey. I replied that I'd be relieved to see "Archie" squirm like a turkey but as yet I have no empirical evidence that the child moves. Ever.

I am not a mom. I do have more than 20 years' worth of professional experience working with babies, toddlers and children of all ages, plus baby-sitting and taking care of infants. The baby we saw in the polo pictures is 6-8 months old, not two. He is three times the size of two-month old infants I have personally seen in the last couple of weeks. Who am I to believe . .Megsy or the evidence of my own eyes? I'm sure the mothers here can testify that an infant does not double his birth weight in 8 weeks. MM seems to be holding a 14-pounder there at the least.

Many public figures have been controversial, but I have never encountered anyone so controversial as Meghan Markle. She makes one doubt the very underpinnings of the universe and natural laws like gravity and the time-space continuum. Like Pilate confronted with Jesus, I am asking "What is truth?" with everything concerning her. Why are so many people so unwilling to question her motives or even her grasp on sanity? She's not deserving of this unquestioning devotion.

I'd better lie low on Quora for a while. They make you post under your real name over there and I don't want Megsy siccing her lawyers on me--one of the lone dissenting voices over there.
punkinseed said…
Hikari, OMG! I know right?! Quora is crazy stupid. With all of the advice they put on there about NPD, you'd think some of those Megwingnuts who blindly defend her would make the connection.
Hikari said…
Punkin,
I only started reading/posting on Quora when I got my new iPhone a few months ago . . it popped up in my Apple News app. I enjoyed it for a while but then decided that not only do they ask for too much personal information (my 'qualifications' field is still blank because I'm not volunteering anything about my location or where I work), but most of the users over there are cranks and agitators.

One poster self-identified as a sadist and shared with us all about his mental processes. And not in that sexy Christian Grey sort of way. I haven't posted much on there such then. I don't need that kind of psychic garbage in my lifeor headspace.

I now equate the "Markle Sparkle" with the kind of sparking Edward Cullen, Vampire, does in the light. She's blinding us with 'Sparkle' *here* so we don't investigate what's in the dark corner over *there*. She's been caught out in so many of her lies already, and I think we've only discovered the tip of the iceberg. So why does she still have millions (that many?) of defenders? And not just the lukewarm ones who don't love nor despise her but are willing to cut her some slack for being an American in a venerable English Firm . . Her defenders leap to the defense of MM's honor and normalcy . .hell, her extraordinariness--like the most devout foot soldiers of Joanne d'Arc.

For the Markle. It beggers belief.

Imagine that Harry had had a whirlwind courtship with a Caucasian yacht girl who got on OK with her family . . or who perhaps was an orphaned only child, and married her. Would a woman like that have so many legions of supporters willing to not only forgive/overlook all her many mistakes but take to the Internet howling that she should be made Queen of Great Britain?

On what merits? Markle has zero merits to be Queen, even if she were eligible by constitutional law. Which she is not. Even if the entire House of Windsor dropped dead of Ebola tomorrow save Meghan (who might have been the one to administer it) . . .she would not be Queen. I would invoke a sentence including 'British public', 'pike' and 'head on' . .but I don't want Megsy to sic her lawyers on me . . .
Anonymous said…
I wonder how she took Harry's reach out and hug someone to William?
Anonymous said…
There is a denial from The Palace in The Sun re Kate using baby botox. I saw it at Charlatan Duchess. Best comment: "My favorite part of all this is that the palace has denied NONE of the stories about MM. ZERO, ZIP, NADA." I guess that is including the one entitled "Duchess or Devil?" Maybe the BRF are trying to decide for themselves.
Now! said…
I agree that the Meghan sugars are in the clear majority on Quora. I'm on Quora for other reasons, but once the system saw that I'd read a couple of Meg pieces they send me the sugars' articles on a regular basis. No one ever even bothers to contradict them.
Aquagirl said…
Thomas returns to the US quite often. He lives very close to San Diego. He also owns an apt. in CA; I think it’s in LA but don’t know for sure.
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