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The Nutty Flavor Challenge: An exit package for Meghan

Many readers responded to our previous challenge about reviving Meghan's image by saying it is simply too late to do so. Meghan needs to leave the Royal Family and return to the US, they said, possibly taking Prince Harry with her.

But so far, Meghan has shown no inclination to do so.

If you were Queen Elizabeth II or Prince Charles, (who is supposedly in charge at the moment), what would you do to encourage her? What type of "exit package" would you offer?

And would Harry and Archificial come along?

We should probably consider the angle that the Sussexes are currently setting up a foundation which seems to be up to no good, and which could damage the reputation of the Royal Family as a whole.

(This question was suggested by reader BooBigly.)

Comments

Girl with a Hat said…
I would offer her a basic package if I were HM the Queen but afterwards, I would exhort the authorities to find any illegal activity on her part and on Harry's, and make sure the arrests are made very public.
Now! said…
What's in the "basic package" though? Economy-class airfare and a packed lunch?

I think Meghan probably believes she can negotiate for more.
Girl with a Hat said…
It doesn't matter because she isn't going to have the opportunity to take it. After she is arrested, she gets deported and a new package offered. She is guilty of hiding the merching money at the least. If rumours are true, there are issues of fraud relating to the child, and drug issues as well. Hell, even if she's not guilty of any criminal issues, just the fact that she was parading around with a moonbump and cupping it like the Madonna in a Fra Angelico painting will make her the ridicule of the world. The BRF will get the sympathy they lost when the world recognizes that they've been dealing with a woman who is so greedy she is willing to use the sanctity of motherhood for her own merching ends.
Blackbird said…
I'm going to assume Harry has been foolish by revealing secrets to her, so I would get some very skilled PIs to go digging and find out all they can about her, threatening to go to the media with it all unless she walks away and never gives interviews or maintains a social media presence. I'd also make her sign an iron-clad NDA.

There would be no offer of monetary 'compensation' for her. She's already cost the UK taxpayers goodness knows how much (my head hurts just thinking about it).
Blackbird said…
to clarify the above, '... unless she walks away and undertakes to never give interviews or maintain a social media presence.' Of course I'm sure they already have a lot of dirt on her, but I'm sure there's a lot more to be uncovered. I do wonder why the likes of Ninika Priddy (I think that's her name?) went quiet ... I imagine she was either threatened to shut up or persuaded not to talk in some other way.
Silli_emperors said…
+1 for Mischi's package and your definition with destination Africa. No arrests but conditions - shady foundation deals prohibited, no whinging articles on racism, 0 news and or PR attacks on any family members, duty 1st party 2nd, cut spending to $300K his annual inheritance distribution. For a year to keep titles, 3 strikes you're out since MM likes baseball so much.

You're out - no attendance at HM's eventual state funeral besides Harry as grandson. In then out. No attendance at coronation. Some kind family members will be gracious, some will scarf.

Hold out for more? threatened with "exposure" you're out for personal reasons with 0 additional events until Africa. NDAs signed enforced
Girl with a Hat said…
they also have the amounts due to the IRS to hold against her. Since she is still an American citizen, she needs to pay for all the benefits she gets. That amount is owed by her, personally, not by the BRF. The BRF can also stack the deck against her by giving the IRS exaggerated amounts.
Humor Me said…
Too vague, Nutty and too many what-ifs.

If HM/ PC have decided enough is enough in their current state, then Africa posting it is. With controlled travel outside the continent (much like the Windsors in the Bahamas).

If the marriage dissolves, I hope they have a strong dossier on MM that is airtight - as she will probably use every trick know to get as much money/ status from the RF. Of course she would loose the HRH - and she would be the DoS until Harry remarries, correct?

Until we know Harry's part in this fiasco, I cannot place blame on MM alone.
punkinseed said…
Excellent question Nutty. And, thank you for such great discussions.
If I was queen or Charles, I'd probably offer Megs one public exit strategy, and quite another private one.
The private exit would be backed by MI5's surveillance to ensure she complies. MI5 is most likely already watching and reporting to the queen and Charles, so seamless transition. Included in the private settlement would be that she and Harry may not involve themselves in anything political in any part of the world, even through proxies. And I'd make sure their businesses, no matter what they decide to set up, are stripped of any affiliation to the monarchy, titles, sub titles, along with the term "former" in its names, brands, etc.
TTucker said…
I have a simpler exit: Give Prince Philip a car to drive and put her in his way.
Girl with a Hat said…
LOL. But seriously, nobody wants to see any harm come to Meghan. Just justice.
SwampWoman said…
I'm opposed with every fiber of my being to shrugging my shoulders and paying off the worthless to just go away. It encourages those nasty parasites to return for another blood meal whenever they feel the need for it. While I know that the English are accustomed to paying Danegeld, I'm personally opposed. I'm also not in the BRF (to their great relief, I'm sure).

I imagine that this subject has come up numerous times in the BRF. Harry must be a terrible disappointment to his grandparents. They have been served up a giant s*it sandwich and now must decide whether to eat it and pretend it is delicious, quietly dispose of it, or make the consequences so unpleasant to the server that younger people thinking about serving up a s*it sandwich of their own will be convinced to do otherwise.

Harry could live quite well on his own money. He wouldn't have polo ponies, valets, or security, attend premiers with the movers and shakers of society, or live in expensive cities, but he wouldn't starve. He does have the option to do what so many other people do every day, get a job, and report to work every day. Those pesky drug tests could be a problem for him, but it certainly isn't his grandmother's problem. I think that grandmother should make it clear that it is not her problem by immediately directing any public funds to be cut off. The family should make it quite clear that he does not represent them in a charity. Weaning time. If Daddy wants to support him out of his personal funds, so be it.

If the BRF do decide to pay out to make the problem go away (in my opinion, they would be guaranteeing that it returns at regular intervals whining about the need for more), perhaps the amount that they offered would be my equivalent of chump change (analogous to the grandparents saying to the grandchildren "Yes, if you do not whine, I will buy you a piece of candy when we leave) and be well worth it to them.

Then there is the Archie problem. Is there in fact a child and, if there is, is it biologically Harry's? The way that Harry scattered his seed about, I would have thought that some would have taken root by now.
punkinseed said…
Swampwoman, you make some excellent points. No amount of blackmail money would be enough for them and yes, they'd both return with their hands out. I think they are already using family secrets to extort funds from Charles and quite possibly tried that scheme on William, but he pushed back and said no way. That might be the reason Harry and Wills are not getting along very well right now.
Megs is so controlling of Harry that Wills quite rightly believes that anything Harry asks of him originates from Megs. She puts Harry up to things and Harry, like a Stepford Wife, follows her commands. Wills asks Harry if Megs put him up to it and of course, Harry has too much false pride to admit that it wasn't his idea. Wills knows Harry is too stupid to originate a scheme like what ever the request or idea was so of course, Wills says no because he's onto the NPD Megs and won't back down.
Wills and Kate have likely actually studied about and are familiar with mental health disorders, not only from basic college courses like psych. 101, but also from their mental health charity foundations. They meet with shrinks and directors in charge of patients and facilities, so their contribution and dedication is more than just a photo op, in contrast to the Sussexes. They both actually talk to and learn about mental health from those experts. I think Wills and Kate were glad for the split the Sux. made happen with Heads Together as it was obvious the lunatics were trying to run and rip off the asylum.
QueenWhitby said…
Meg is not going anywhere unless Harry decides to divorce her. I’m actually quite concerned for Harry. He has known PTSD, he’s under intense public pressure regarding his actions (which on some level must embarrass him), he’s likely self medicating with illicit substances, and if MM is the Narcissist we believe her to be, he will have suffered terrible mental abuse in his marriage. I’ll cut him a bit of slack as all this would affect his decision making but it’s a perfect storm for a psychiatric breakdown of the worst kind. He may or may not realize it, but he’s hit his “rock bottom”.

If I were HM I would stage a familial intervention and isolate Harry from her, deprogram him if you will. I actually think this may be happening - if my hunch is correct I think the family is getting ready to circle the wagons at Balmoral and initiate Operation Megxit.

Harry needs to be honest and come clean with the British people and then disappear for a long while to get the help he needs out of the public eye. The public will understand and forgive but he needs to do this to salvage his reputation, and to disarm her and whatever she holds over him. From there it’s pretty simple - she gets her entitlement and moves on as in any divorce. The Queen (quite savvily) did not gift them a house or anything of real value that MM can go after but she’ll likely get half of Harry’s fortune unless there was a pre-nup.

HM needs to make public any proof that she and her subjects have been deceived and use that as justification to strip MM of her title. Any possibility of MM making money off her royal connection needs to be blocked based on existing questionable financial dealings she has brokered using the Crown as leverage. In this, her showbiz “friends” will drop away and the IRS will most certainly take notice.

Which brings me to wee Archie. He needs protecting and I’m going to assume he is biologically their baby. You cannot separate a mother and child in this day and age based on antiquated royal edicts unless you can prove she is a danger to him. In that case, someone in the family should apply for guardianship of him. If MM is to have custody, any agreement has to guarantee Archie privacy, and Harry should push for maximum visitation and say in child rearing decisions. Archie absolutely cannot be used to cash in or generate publicity which has already been tried once. If MM is who we think she is, Archie may well decide he wants to live with his father when he’s old enough to express this.

However it’s done, MM’s departure needs to be orchestrated . Soon. The tide of public opinion has swiftly turned, and decisive action is necessary if the monarchy is to avoid any further damage from the wrecking ball that is MM.
Girl with a Hat said…
Meghan will not get half of Harry's fortune. Firstly, they were only married a year, maybe a little bit longer if they married secretly. Secondly, his fortune is tied up in trusts. Good luck getting your hands on that money. The most she could get legally is some of the annual revenue he gets from the trusts. And that has been estimated at about 300k per year. She could get some of the amounts he benefits from from the BRF but if they cut off Harry before the two divorce, she won't be able to argue she has a valid claim on that.

We are talking as though Meghan is a fait accompli. But, she has a lot of tricks still up her sleeve, and she is being advised by some really repellant Americans (sorry, but it's the truth) who are out to inflict some damage on the BRF. The BRF, or Harry for that matter, haven't shown they are up for a fight, and seem willing to take a lot more abuse before this matter is resolved.
SwampWoman said…
Personally, I think that Megs would beat feet out of there once the funds and royal accommodations were cut off, as well as access to royal events and royal boxes, and the title is taken back. Sorry, sweetie, you're no longer a duchess and not a princess, either. I wonder if their diplomatic immunity could be rescinded since they would be traveling as private citizens? (Forgive me for not looking it up; I'm supposed to be elsewhere soon.)

Since Harry doesn't have the time in his busy schedule for being Captain General Royal Marines and attending an event that he was notified of a year in advance, well, that can be managed as well. I'm sure there is another royal with an actual work ethic that would be happy to be Captain General that could make time in his or her schedule to show up for important events.

Lady Muck said…
I think both of them haven't yet hit rock bottom in terms of the British public actively disliking her and seeing Harry, not as forever the bereaved boy behind the coffin, but a petulant and spoilt manchild. There has definitely been a major swing since Wimbledon against her, but I think the RF could have played it better by releasing the figures of spending on renovations and also her clothing/jewellery a few weeks before TTC so it could sink in a bit, then given them their own carriage at TTC. They got boos last year, but this year would have seen an increase - ideally enough that the media couldn't ignore. They need to be shown that the public have had enough and that they aren't beholden as Diana's cheeky golden boy and his smart, caring wife.

Once that's clear, take the Wallis & Edward model - live abroad as private citizens. No charity patronages, no foundations under the royal umbrella, no public funding, no payoff. The RF has to send a very clear message to all grifters that there are no rewards for conning your way into the royal family.

What I do think is interesting in all of this is that Meghan hasn't attracted the A-list celebrities that I'm sure she thought would all be clamouring to know her. Sure she apparently has the Clooneys, but everyone else it seems has stayed quiet. Like they know her value has an expiry date.
Anonymous said…
I've noticed that even the Clooneys aren't showing up regularly to make a big splash for their dear friend. Of course, I know how MM values her privacy and that of her friends, but if they'd come near her recently, I think she'd maybe share one or two photos of them with Archie. Only their backs, of course, but still...
SwampWoman said…
You say repellent Americans, I say people whose highest and best use would be as compost. No apologies necessary (grin).
Hikari said…
Prospective spouses are well-vetted before being given permission to join the Royal Family . . .at least, I always thought they were. The Spencers brushed quite a lot of insider knowledge about Diana's mental problems under the carpet because they were so desirous of making a royal match--'the' Royal match for their youngest daughter. Lady Sarah McCorquodale, nee Spencer deserves some of the blame of what happened to her baby sister, I feel, since she'd dated Charles quite seriously and he in fact may have proposed to her, except that Sarah had decided she didn't want him. She enthusiastically backed the plan to shove her baby sister into his path and advocated for the marriage. Both sisters basically bullied Di into carrying on with the wedding after she came to them crying about Charles's ongoing attachment to Camilla, with the famous, "Too late now, Duch--your face is on the tea towels."

Diana's unsuitability to be a royal bride was more easily hidden, since her emotional problems were private. She was a teenage virgin bride with no 'past', romantic or otherwise. Her pedigree was excellent and she had, to all appearances, the perfect upbringing (apart from the nasty family divorce) for an aristocratic young lady. Without so much as a parking ticket, there was nothing to bring her across the radar of MI5.

Smeaghan is a different story altogether. As a foreign national, previously married muliple times, with a career in the dodgy (from an upper class British perspective) world of 'entertainment', she warranted a thorough background check from both security services--MI6 as well. The most cursory check by a junior investigator would have turned up the salacious 'yachting', the quasi-or full-on adult films . . the drug use, the dodgy financial dealings she was already engaged in (it is purported that The Tig was closed down because the IRS was looking into non-payment of taxes for income generated off her online Tig store. She already has at least one case of litigation against her for tax related issues, which she contested, before losing the judgement and being forced to pay up.) The Tig was already history before the Queen would have required her to close it down.

These are all matter of public record, as are the financial woes/arrests/tax liens/substance abuse against all her birth family members. Thomas Markle is not a resident of Mexico for the climate; he's got so many liens against him, he faces prosecution if he returns to the States, or to an extradition-friendly nation like the U.K. I believe this, not poor health or the staged photo scandal, is the real reason why he was never going to be able to attend Smirkle's wedding. It seems he had a legitimate heart issue at the same time, but that was coincidental to the real reason, and proved to be the face-saving measure.

All of this should have been detectable easily through MM's tissue paper of self-aggrandizing lies by experienced investigators. Her financial graft motives in marrying into the family should have been crystal clear, and yet, they still let her in. It begs belief. Even if she and Harry had had a secret wedding ceremony and sprung it on the family after the fact, there are any number of loopholes that would have made any such ceremony performed outside of the UK, without the sovereign's blessing or appropriate witnesses AND with no background check on the bride having been completed, subject to nullification.

Girl with a Hat said…
I say Americans because I see Meghan's repellant friends as being the epitome of what people dislike about Americans (minus the war and guns). And, unfortunately, they are living up to the ugly stereotype. The overweight one at Wimbledon who told her to put on her hat gave me a behind the curtain glimpse of Meghan's personality due to her choice of friends. Rebellious, entitled, obnoxious and very repulsive women.
Anonymous said…
I agree with all that you've said here. I'm Team Flowerzrkool on this. Although MM getting a full half of Harry's fortune is unlikely, I think, given the short duration. Although there is no pre-nup, my guess is that there's still layers of protection built in. It's hard to imagine the BRF letting that grifter into the family without some sort of financial firewall in place. Even before the wedding, I think it was clear that not all in the family embraced the megster completely.


Girl with a Hat said…
sorry, I forgot extremely greedy(in every sense of the term - gluttonous, avaricious, attention seeking) in that list
Hikari said…
Her Majesty has given her stamp of approval to this union . . and ultimately to the harm it is doing to her family and to the British monarchy by allowing it to go forward with the splashy show wedding and her continued non-action against the shenanigans of the Sussex duo. She's rewarded a grifter with a title, a house (allegedly) and access to gobs of cash and all the celebrity attention she ever desired. The Sussex Foundation is really the final straw. Didn't HM put the kibosh on the idea of a separate 'Sussex court' of global 'philanthropy' without oversight from the Palace? And YET . . that is EXACTLY what is happening now. Smeaghan has prevailed and gotten her way in all things. I don't know what kind of a barrel she's holding the British Crown and evidently the security services over, but what a doozy.

I don't think there's any containment strategy possible as long as HM allows Smeaghan to remain in the family. When a tree bears only bad fruit, you have to cut it out . . and so far the PTB over there seem disinclined to do anything to or about her. They just keep letting her run amok in the garden and do what she will. It's so sinister. It's one of the greatest mysteries of our, or any, time.

P.S. Speaking of Great Mysteries of our time: I was just at Starbucks and saw a 2-month old girl baby in the arms of her mother. She is a little peanut still. Tiny. Based on this, the 'baby' we saw at the polo is at least 8 or 9 mos. old (whether real or 'reborn'). My friend's grandson is 81/2 months old and she has shared copious pictures of him as he has grown. He was full-term and looks to be about the same size as 'Archie' at the polo.
Girl with a Hat said…
you're right. They are still shielding both Harry and his horrible bride because of the mistaken idea that whatever repercussions these two receive from the public will rub off on the rest of the family. Cut Harry loose! He may or may not be blood, but he's willing to see the rest of the family go down. We've seen that much already.
Anonymous said…
I would give the megster the opportunity to leave with her privacy intact. I know how she values her privacy, after all. I would also be gracious in allowing her to leave the country silently, with a mere "conscious uncoupling" announcement on IG and I would make sure that the British tabloids cooperated.

I would offer generous visitation to Archie, whoever he may be and wherever we may find him. Of course, there would always be supervision during those visits, but not to worry, I am certain Lord G can find a suitable nanny/protection officer. I would assure her that the protection officers would not violate her privacy and, in fact, most of the protection can be done without her even being aware.

I would promise her that the British tabloids would never see the plethora of video evidence we have of her -- not from the yachting days, nor from her time in the family, not even the ones of her cheating on Harry. I'd be especially thoughtful in assuring her that the multiple occasions when her vicious behind-closed-door verbal attacks on HMTQ, William and Kate, the adorable Cambridge children (including the future king), Charles & Camilla, Andrew, the British people, and even the Clooneys would remain safe and secure in the private vaults. No temper tantrums leaked. No drunken, ugly behavior for the world to see. No strapping on of the moonbump. Nothing. Full and complete protection from the horror of the releases of those videos. Her reputation will remain as it is and her privacy will remain intact. And only under extreme circumstances would all that video evidence be released. Extreme defined as anything she does that beings to violate this agreement. Because from the moment that spectacle de merde rolled up in her cheap slutgear, I'd have had her on tape. Harry, too, because... but I'm sure he expected that and tried to keep his back to the camera. If not, well, it's not like we don't already have Vegas.

Of course, in return, I would make certain that she knew that her silence, her relinquishment of her former title, her agreement not to pursue a tell-all would demonstrate equal concern and respect for Harry's privacy and that of the BRF. She would leave Harry's life and allow him to be happy with someone more suitable (basically, any woman who is not a grifting whore who'd do anything for money). I believe that, with some detailed explanations from Lord G's team, she would quickly realize that this was in her best interest and of course, that's what we want.

I would also want her to know that she has our full protection and that Lord G will always be watching over her in seen and unseen fashion. She is, after all, a former duchess, and we would want nothing untoward to happen to her.

I would then leave her to make a decision (and video everything from that moment). But I would already have the most horrifying ready for her. I would never have let her run amok without documenting all of it.
Hikari said…
Elle, I second your most excellent plan. I too am a great proponent for as privacy for Smeaghan as possible so that I, and the rest of the world, never have to be troubled by any news of her again. If I never see her picture again, it will be too soon.

Alas, the clock has not entirely run out on Smeaghan's influence. For 2 weeks running People Magazine has featured her on its cover, after a dry spell. Last week's issue featured the B&W christening photo with the headline trumpeting 'Harry and Meghan are Raising Archie Their Way!'

(their way must be borrowing him for intermittent photo ops and then returning him to his real mother. Were I a mother, there's no way I'd ever let Smeaghan touch my baby. Hold him? What if she decides to drop him just to see if his little skull smashes like a melon for her own amusement?)

This week's issue, just released shows Catherine and Smeg at Wimbledon and promises us to tell us all about 'The Truth Behind the Princesses' Friendship' and how they are really good friends now that they have 'so much more in common'.

Are we trapped in a Kafka novel or a George Orwell one? I can't decide . . .
punkinseed said…
Exactly SwampWoman. Captain General Royal Marines need a royal representative who would show all due respect. After his Pay to Play Lion King mess, Harry would get booed if he shows up at a military memorial. The Sussexes are starting to make even Andrew look good.
I'm trying to remember the penalty, if there was one, for Fergie's involvement in a pay to play scheme for access to Andrew. Same goes for the trouble the Wessexes had with their production? company. Something about access to William?
Girl with a Hat said…
Isn't it amazing that the American press has surpassed the propaganda lows of the Soviet press? Except the Soviet journalists were in fear for their physical safety, the Americans and Western media are just after dollars.
Miss_Christina said…
First: Wait. See what's going on with this "foundation" and where that money is coming from and more importantly, where it's going. In the meantime, collect as much information as possible, i.e., on the baby. On the expenses. On MeAgain and Harry's life to date.

Second: once all those ducks are in a row, sit them down with this info. Demand to know only one thing, is Harry going to remain in the family and in the Firm, or does he really and truly want out?

Once you have answered this question it becomes easy. If Harry wants to stay with her, then he gets whatever was left to him by his mother. That's it. That's all folks. You want to stay in Britain? Swell. Move to Africa or the U.S.? Lovely. You are now responsible for your own housing and upkeep. Don't let the door hit you in the asses on the way out.

However, if Harry decides to shape up and do a proper royal's job and say sayonara to the little wifey, then present Megs and Harry with your info. The insane and unaccounted for expenses on clothing and home upgrades. The deceitful foundation meant to line their pockets. The lies about her pregnancy, her family, and their activities.

And the final exit package should be very simple. We will not press charges or expose you. In return, you will both sign this ironclad NDA (using one of Meg's own tools against her). You, Harry, will be limited to a certain allowance until such time as a review of your activities and your dedication to the job might result in a more lenient one. The baby is a British citizen and will be raised as such, in Britain, until such time as he may decide for himself. Harry will maintain primary custody and will provide for all Archie's needs. Meghan will have ample visitation as is seen fit.

And Megsy? You will receive one million dollars, in payments or a lump sum as you wish. You are free to stay in Britain or return to the U.S. You will be responsible for all your own upkeep henceforth. If at any time you violate these stipulations, you will be prosecuted for your financial shenanigans and any information we've retained on either of you will become fair game for public knowledge.

The only way to play is to be just as hard-nosed as possible to prevent this from ever happening again.
punkinseed said…
I'm Team Flowerzrkool on this, too. Meg's won't get even close to half of Harry's wealth, however. Look at Diana's and Fergie's divorce settlements, and both had two kids, so no. Harry's wealth is tied up in investments, Trusts, and so on, so even without a pre nup., which is a very flimsy document at best anyway, Meg's won't benefit half or even close to that amount.
She'll use the baby as a custody bargaining chip, too. Think the Jolie Pitt divorce and she'll follow that script. She'll also use her proxies to "expose" Harry's violent outbursts, histrionics and drug use and demand tests from him to prove it. Bad career move on her part, but she won't be able to control herself. That stupid heart in a million pieces to her dad letter proves she can't.
She'll also insist that she's the one who has been deceived, horribly wronged and abused because of course, narcissists always believe they are the victim.
I don't think anyone in the royal family like Megs at all. Watch Princess Anne, who never holds back if she dislikes someone or something. And Andrew isn't far behind his sister. It also appears that the Edward and Sophie distance themselves, too.
Anonymous said…
I guess there are people who might read People and believe that merde, but I believe that when I've finished enveloping megster in the promised protection for her own privacy and safety, she will accept that she needs to spend her money on something other than absurd self-promotion. Maybe she could pursue her humanitarian interests very quietly like she did on The Tig where her humanitarian interests were obvious to absolutely no one. Whatever private path she pursues after their conscious uncoupling, I can promise her that it will be smoother than the one she'll walk if she doesn't uncouple TFOOH. Ah, it's good to be Queen.
Anonymous said…
Agreed. She gets nothing but her own karma served back to her mercilessly. And if she wants to throwdown with the BRF, then I say, let's do it megster, because the Palace always wins. And one way or another, William becomes king soon enough, and if I were mm, I'd fear the powerful scarfing that will ensue.
Suzanne Wilson said…
Americans don't care enough about the BRF to want to take it down.
punkinseed said…
Very well written Miss Christina. After the Stormy Daniels and Epstein scandals, I'm wondering what would constitute an ironclad NDA. What could make it so the agreement so severe that disclosure would enact devastating results and consequences?
Anonymous said…
Oh, megster will *try* to do the Jolie Pitt thing, but as soon as royals eyes were laid on that grifting skeeze, the preparations began.

The Queen felt she had to indulge her grandson. She could not deny a full-grown old-enough-to-be-a-man boy his right to marry the yacht girl he loved, but this did not mean that HMTQ was fooled by the markle madness. No, she began her preparations then for the day she knew would come. Probably long before then.

I'd imagine the Cambridges were locked and loaded as early as the Christmas stay prior to the wedding. Great preparations went into the wedding, but even more went into the inevitable divorce. The dog and pony were trotted out right away: Look! We are embracing Meg and her Mum! Meg is even going on the train with the Queen! Meg is coming to Christmas before the wedding! Meg is getting to do things Kate never go to do! See how we love Meg?

Of course, it was all in preparation for the debacle to follow and now they can all say: We tried! We really, really tried! We took her on the train! She got to do all those things Kate never got to do... we really, really tried! And for every story MM can throw out, there are many more on the BRF side, and the British people hate MM, so there will be no Diana-level blowback. Megster herself made sure of that.

It looks to me like MM has markled her own foul self. The BRF has done nothing but indulge the scamming, scheming, lying fraud, and it's hard to prove otherwise. And yes, MM can lie about that, too, but thank goodness for ALL THAT VIDEO.
Miss_Christina said…
Elle, Will should register that scarf as a dangerous weapon.

Punkin, I think the potential financial dealings of their new foundation should provide ample ammunition for enforcement of the NDA. Meg and Harry don't seem to realize that just because they hired Sara Latham, does not make them as untouchable as the Clintons seemed to be with theirs.
punkinseed said…
As some of you know, I've been watching The Crown for the umpteenth time to get insight into why and how the royals see the world so differently than us wee unwashed masses. In the episode I watched last night, which was about the queen being forced to re-neg on Margaret's marriage to Peter Townsend, she told Margaret something that rings true over the decades: She hates confrontation and that she's not good at it.
Her inability to confront and avoid conflict is probably why she takes such a very long time, if ever, to act on anything her children and grandchildren, sister, and in laws have done that bring shame or upheaval to the royal family. Remember her deafening silence and inability to address the people when Diana died? She was frozen in place at Balmoral.
The queen is frozen this time, too. She's not going to take any drastic measures like remove titles or give any heavy handed ultimatums to Harry and Megs any time soon. It will take much, much more exposure, such as evidence showing malfeasance by the Sux foundation before she makes a move. I would guess she is having all things royal investigated, at this time, including the truth about Andrew's association with Epstein, which is probably keeping them rather busy right now. She would wait for a report and proof, too, and then take a very long time deciding how to act upon the findings or not.
Maddie said…
@TTucker 🙀😻😺 too funny.
Louise said…
I agree with Suzanne. There is no credible reason for Americans to want to destroy theBritish Monarchy. I
Beth said…
I notice that the Markles have been remarkably silent lately. Also, whatever happened to Samantha's 2 books, the first of which was due to coincide with the birth?
Louise said…
Agree Punkinseed. I am also in the process of watching the Crown for the second time and I was negatively struck by how the Queen gave in to Prince Philip regarding forcing Charles to attend Gordonstoun, instead of Eton.


Charles would later describe it as a prison.

Maybe I was spoiled by my own mother, who would do anything to protect her children, but I was shocked that the Queen turned a blind eye when it was obvious that Charles was crying and miserable.


I think the Gordonstoun episode affected him for the rest of his life.
BigFanUSA said…
A thought keeps niggling at the back of my mind throughout the Prince Harry and the Unfortunate Choice of Wife saga...... it wasn't that long ago that the public felt a bitterness toward William and Catharine for being "Lazy Royals." I vividly remember reading an article sometime after Charlotte's birth that added up all the time off The Cambridges have taken from Royal Duties; Kate's long maternity leaves, long stretches of time between official engagements for both of them, and the time spent "playing house" after they got married and lived in the quaint, picturesque village whose residents agreed to let them live a somewhat normal life. All of this being shown as proof of how Lazy they both are and all the while LIVING A TAX PAYER FUNDED LIFE OF LUXURY. Then, suddenly Harry has a new Actress Girlfriend--- and she's biracial! ---- and the press is harassing her and being racist, then all of a sudden they're engaged, then married, now everyone hates Harry and His Wife and wouldn't you know, William and Kate are now labeled as two of the Hardest Working Royals next to Princess Anne and The Queen herself. It just makes me wonder how many levels of manipulation are going on here.
Anonymous said…
I believe MMs actions speak for themselves, well before and all during this disaster. The issues with MM have little to do with her spending. If all she did was spend and look awful, most wouldn't care. It's a long list of character flaws beginning with abject hypocrisy and ending with grift and babygate. So even though the media had their fun with William and Kate, we mostly saw that for what it was, just as we see this for what it is.
Hikari said…
Yes, the public attitude toward the Cambridges has done something of an about-face recently. So much advance praise was heaped on Meghan during the engagement/early newlywed period (before she'd done a damn thing) about how hard-working she was, energetic, dynamic, such a work ethic!!! That came out of being a self-made multimillionaire by her early 30s and always having had a job/to work, etc. A not-subtle comparison was being drawn between her and Kate, obviously. It's been suggested that Meghan's entrance was used to goose Kate into making more appearances . . .as if the mother of three (and at that time, of a newborn) wasn't doing 'enough' for the Crown.

Yeah, Megs has REALLY done so much to advance the Crown's interests, I daresay . . .

But . . like the parable of the two sons, one who pretends to be virtuous for public view, while in private doing nothing at all and the other, who superficially appears 'lazy' but repents and quietly does the correct thing without fanfare . . I think we know who is who in the House of Windsor.

It did distress me a bit that Kate, nearly the age of 30 while waiting for nearly a decade to become William's bride pursued no career and was happy to be a socialite taking expensive holidays and working out obsessively to fill her copious time. She didn't pursue graduate degrees or meaningful charity work, either. But after having her children, I would argue that her top job now is to be a good mother, an available mother . . and she is that. Even though they have a nanny, both Wills and Kate seem to be very hands-on parents. It's a stark contrast to how William's father and siblings were raised. No ceremonial 'Royal' appearance' can be weighed in importance against being a good parent, so I think Kate has chosen the better course as a young mum, even if she's taken heat for it from the Firm. Her children will grow into strong and confident adults due to their nurturing home life and that is ultimately for the nation's good as well as their own. As they grow, Kate can do more. People forget that Diana had very few engagements when her boys were little, and she was Princess of Wales.
Hikari said…
I would really like to see Kate utilize her art history degree in becoming active in curating the Family's artistic treasures and maybe working with Edward to appear in some documentary films about the Crown's various art holdings. They could do a whole series of these together, and Catherine could become the Crown docent and give tours to the public about these various priceless artworks in the collection. What an exciting opportunity for someone who has studied art to be living in a museum of Western culture, essentially. This is what I would do if I were in her position.
BigFanUSA said…
Rachel Meghan Markle has proven herself to be an absolute narcissistic monster with a cube of ice in the cocktail shaped hole where her heart should be. And Prince Harry has proven HIMSELF to be a spoiled, petulant, Brat. Perhaps that's why I haven't voiced that nagging little thought about the Lazy Royals being a non issue any more, but don't you think maybe, just maybe, the Queen of England hasn't put her respected foot up her eldest son's youngest son's arse because..... well why hasn't she? Because she's 93 years old? Or she has a *soft spot* for harry? Guilt over Diana's death? Embarrassment of Andrew's entanglements with Jeffrey Epstein? Disappointment that Charles is weak? Desire to show the world how Strong the Future King (William) is? Why HASN'T she stopped this embarrassment of internationally epic proportions? I don't know, I'm just a California girl with time to kill once in a while and an interest in gossip and the lifestyles of the Rich and Famous (also, as it were, the not-so-rich and not-always- that-famous.) Anyway, I've gone way off the original topic of this blog entry, and I truly do apologize for hijacking part of the comment section.
Jdubya said…
Agree with Suzanne. We don't care. If you want to throw stones, maybe George Soros . I saw a pic once that alledgely showed mm and Soros son.
Jdubya said…
Apparently mischi hates Americans.
Humor Me said…
I do not believe that MM will be influenced by intimidation of release of her past / bad publicity. Whatever the Firm has on her will need to be devastating to stop her from unleashing a PR blast the likes we have never seen in the History of the RF.
MM will make 1939/ Edward the VIII look tame (Wallis was not the bad person in that mess).

Confrontation is the key. Punkinseed called it. HMTQ is old; supposedly Harry is her favorite grandson. Charles is a fool. It will be Camilla (gasp) and Wills that will be the stopgap.
Life's Lessons said…
l would give her back her suitcase and a one way ticket back to the USA
punkinseed said…
Yes. They've been far, far too quiet for some time. I don't remember when Samantha's last interview was, maybe a few weeks before the baby was born? It looks like she and Tom Sr. have been silenced with a payoff and an NDA. And, wasn't there a reality show featuring one of Meg's nephew's pot farm venture? Haven't heard anything about that lately either. Maybe it's still in production.
What's getting kind of creepy/obvious is how Doria's last couple of visits to UK, even to see the new baby, was faster than an LA Drive By. I don't think Doria is very keen on anything royal, UK or British. I don't think she's close to Megs either and never has been. She's as detached as the queen was with her kids.
punkinseed said…
Louise, I know right? The Gordonstoun idea was a disaster from the start. I think Philip honestly thought it was the only place that would toughen Charles up, because ya, he was a sissy, to use the old time term. Anne would beat the crap out of him and whip him on every game, and she's what? A couple years younger? So Philip was hoping Charles would come out of Gordonstoun as a strong, assertive young man.
I think Charles is a lot like his mother in that he doesn't like confrontation or conflict. I think the queen and her mom protested about Gordonstoun, but Philip threatened her with divorce if she put Charles in Eton. Philip was that firm about it, and remember, she's not good at handling confrontations so she gave way. She had also promised Philip that he'd be in charge of their children's education decisions and she hates to withdraw a promise.
Girl with a Hat said…
that's why I don't think releasing info will work. An arrest will.
Suzanne Wilson said…
Oh please, no one start with the George Soros conspiracy theories.
If anyone in power is backing Meghan as a vehicle for damaging the monarchy I would look first at Vladmir Putin. Destroying western institutions is sort of his thing, and I don't think he's particular about whether he uses his right hand or his left.
Anonymous said…
I would agree re past and bad publicity. Just Megs upside down will do nothing. However, if I had Lord G at my side, I'd have much, much, much more horrifying and damning evidence that would turn many sides against her at once. Then, I'd have a buy-one-get-one-free pitchfork extravaganza.
Ann Christensen said…
I fear (and regret) that she is here to stay. If RF had any intention of eliminating her it would have been done by now. Whatever is crippling them (blackmail, agreement with her global political agenda, antipathy), they have done nothing to impose tradition and taste on her rackety behavior. This disappointment and disgust that is generated in working class may bring the whole house down. Prince William seems aware, but unable. I cannot devise an imaginary deal/offer that would unseat this greedy, tacky woman. Too much time has elapsed with no action. She has her dishonest claws in the treasure now.
Kate said…
I agree, that was a rough episode to watch and actually gave me sympathy towards Charles. However, I could understand why she wanted Philip to feel that he had a say in how his children were raised. I could sympathize with her and understood her position. Philip always felt he had no power or say and she was trying to make her marriage work.
Kate said…
Kate and William are bot lazy in the least. They are raising VERY young children that will someday lead the BRF. It is obvious that the Queen was giving them time to have some sort of a quiet life before being in the spotlight as King and Queen. HM would have preferred that as well if her father hadn’t passed so early and forced her into a role that she was not ready for. I watched both seasons of the Crown and can sympathize with how hard it must have been for her being newly married and Queen at such a young age.
Louise said…
Again, maybe it was because I had a lioness as a mother, but she always put the best interests of the children first.

I have no sympathy or respect for a mother who could put her own needs and the needs of her grown husband ahead of the needs of her children.

Seriously, what kind of woman puts appearances ahead of the good of her own children, especially when the father is a philandering bully like Philip?

If it was $mirkle doing this, you would be outraged.
Anonymous said…
I'm Team Kate x 2 now. You are correct, Kate.
hildarumpole said…
Meghan Markle values status and fame above all else. She got the fame part in spades when she married into the BRF, but the status still eludes her. I think that's what is upsetting her more than anything. She married the 6th in line to the throne. There is a strict pecking order in the family that she appears not to have understood. The aristocratic class hasn't taken a shine to her. The A listers she thought would be flocking to her have largely ignored her, except for a few of the usual suspects (Oprah/Gayle and the Clooneys), but they've figured her out and are keeping a distance now. Her very expensive designer wardrobe amounts to putting lipstick on a pig, not a superior position to lord over the masses. The feminist-humanitarian-vegan-environmentalist schtick is just a way to claim moral superiority. The capper is the "Sussex Royal" branding. It's ridiculously pretentious. She's a deeply troubled person with a murky past. Revelations in any background check wasn't going to derail the marriage, unless it was something so potentially dangerous, like being a former ISIS bride. Harry wanted to marry her and that was that. Let's face it, some of the BRF aren't exactly members of the Upright Citizens Brigade.

Harry married this woman, they have a child, so they, and the BRF are tethered together for the rest of their lives, whether they get a divorce or not. We know the public is well tired of her presence in the BRF, but is Harry? He frequently looks exasperated in their joint appearances. The rest of his family has had enough. Unless we know where Harry stands, it's hard to come up with an exit package, but whatever it is, it must include a deal that helps Meghan maintain status and fame. She will not go quietly, nor stay quiet, no matter how much money is put on the table. Diana was a tricky situation, because of the public affection for her, but Meghan is a more challenging problem. I don't have any any solutions, but wish the BRF good luck. Thanks a lot Harry!
Kate said…
I’ve always been a Kate fan! She got through all the press intrusion and ridicule and emerged with grace and dignity. If only Smegs could be so lucky. But she doesn’t have the same personality or sense to do the right thing.
abbyh said…
Oh (mild potty word). Made me laugh while I was reading and thinking about what do I think about this.
JenS said…
There will be no need for a severance package.

IMO, the RF have recognised what she is and are handling her appropriately. We're approaching the end of phase 1, in which she thoroughly destroys her own credibility, reputation, and fan following just by being her own narcissistic, greedy, tone-deaf, reckless self. Phase 2, where they starve her out with a very sparse diary, no budget, no jewellery or clothing, and no money-making ventures, has either already begun or will commence shortly. Whatever public engagements she does get will therefore be such high-pressure occasions that disasters are guaranteed (I'm looking at you, Africa tour). To prevent her whinging to the press, it will be a slow tightening of the noose. After a year or so of this treatment, she will be begging to leave, and all they will have to do is let her go, with no money, goods, or title. HM already has custody of Archie, and Harry will get a discreet divorce after he goes to Africa for an extended time.
JenS said…
If she doesn't get what she came there for (fame, mind-boggling wealth, unimaginable privilege, people worshiping her, basically everything and anything her little heart desires) and public opinion turns viciously against her for a sustained period, she will bail. I think she already has an exit plan and is stockpiling jewels and other goodies in preparation.
punkinseed said…
Hildarumpole, you are so right about Megs and her status seeking. Narcissists value that very high to feed their unquenchable need for supply. And, yes, she fully expected a parade every day followed by multitudes of A Listers singing her praises. It's very hard for an American, who only understands and is taught all her life that all are created equal and that equality is universal. Created equal doesn't mean you'll be treated equal.
What she failed to understand that in the royal family, there's a huge divide between celebrity and aristocracy. So far, I haven't seen a single peer show any desire to be anywhere near her. Quite the opposite. That probably explains why those in UK closest to her as "friends" are her support staff members and who else? I'm drawing a blank.
Even as an HRH Duchess, she'll never be accepted as one of them, not a member of their tight club that goes back generations in Burke's Peerage, no matter her color or creed. If you are not connected by lineages, old wealth and estates, you're out. Sure, the aristos may hang out with and socialize with celebs for fun, but their view of them is on the same level as amusing zoo animals or another roadside attraction.
They view Megs as an interloper using her new status as a vehicle to drive herself into the pages of Burkes. Not gonna happen. It's hard enough for those actually born into it to maintain high status and respect by their peers, so how could she expect to just because she married the dimmest prince in the UK?
abbyh said…
I think that, given her ability to make calculated decisions - supercomputer fast should be used to HMTQ's advantage.

Here's the deal:
A) Africa - what you get in money, clothing, paid staff, this and that, this is what we expect from you to pay you out (annually)
B) divorce and LA - here is how much you get (annually for X years), clothing, this and that, this is what you expect from you to pay you out (annually).
C) stay married - here's what you get, clothing, this and that, what we expect from you to pay out (annually).

If X secret we know you were told escapes> 1) we assume you are the source therefore X you will lose based on your ABC choice and we let Y (and maybe Z) facts about you out.

and so on.

I really liked the mention of IRS and her responsibility to pay (on her and the child I might add) behalf. Funny how old tax receipts have a way of emerging long after the tax year (oh, the IRS does charge interest from that tax year, not the year it was found).

Deal or No Deal?
Anonymous said…
"She will not go quietly, nor stay quiet, no matter how much money is put on the table."

And the question is, what could she possibly have on them that they can't ignore/deny/and pay back many times over.

And old money is old money and as Punkin said, mm is never going to be accepted. Meg Bye.
Emily said…
Harry had said, well was told by Meghan, that he didnt want a pre-nup. It was reported that just before the wedding, the Queen had a pre-nup drawn up. In the event of a divorce, any money being paid would come from Harry's inheritance. Any jewellery loaned, and a couple of key pieces that belonged to Diana were to be handed back. The same for any pictures, furniture etc. Both of them weren't happy, but it had to be signed. I think that's why they weren't gifted a house, only a grace and favour home, so no property involved in the divorce.
Anonymous said…
I see a suitcase in her future.
Emily said…
It was the Queen who told William and Kate to take time together as a family while the kids were young. This then allowed the press to call them workshy and lazy. Now the kids are older, the both of them are doing more, as they should be.
Kate said…
Louise - I’m guessing you’re not married with kids then, eh?
Louise said…
Agree with Anne. With the Queen Mother gone and Philip retired, it is obvious that no one is in charge any more. The Queen may be cute, but she is not decisive and has always done as she was instructed. With no one to instruct her now, she does nothing.

As I have said previously on these pages, the RF is now like a self driving car.... everything rolls along for a while without mishap and then.. oops..crash.
BigFanUSA said…
Oh my lord, the comments about her being given a suitcase are hilarious 🤣
Now! said…
I can't speak for Mischi, but I *am* the American press - or at least worked in the American press for many years - and I'm embarrassed by the way they've covered the Meghan story.

You have to remember that a lot of the traditional US media is in a desperate situation, with magazine ad pages in sharp decline and circulation dropping. Staff has been cut to the bone. Magazines like People and Harper's and the various tabloids need to write fast, easy stories with a minimal amount of research.

Meg provides that with her PR releases, plus a little "progressive" cachet because she is a late-in-life bride and biracial.

I also don't think the US media reflects Americans as a whole - probably just the contrary.
abbyh said…
For me, it is all about options. People like options, determining what they think and feel would best please their fancy. To a certain degree it is all about allowing choice. But as with, say toddlers, you don't say "do you want", you say "would you like this or that". Limited choices to pick from. No negotiations about other options not on the table.

Do I think she could realistically hold to the contract long term until she passes is a different Nutty discussion.
Now! said…
That's a good point about the lack of celebrity firepower. And as someone stated on the previous thread, Meg's celebrity friendships are highly transparent. Nobody really thinks she's friends with these people, with the possible exception of Serena Williams.
PaulaMP said…
Can they not just cut off all funding for Harry and Megs? Are they going to Africa or not? I am still not sure where Harry stands in all this, is he the one who was duped or is he an active player?
Now! said…
Suzanne has a good point about Putin, since the Russians and the UK have been in a tense situation relating to the Sergei Skripal case. (Skripal, a former Russian military officer and double agent for the UK's intelligence services, was poisoned on UK soil and the British expelled dozens of Russian nationals from the UK.)

I've seen zero evidence of Russian involvement in the Meghan situation, but Putin would certainly have the money and the motive.
Now! said…
Good question - and probably a good topic for a future challenge!
BooBigly said…
Underrated comment!
Now! said…
I agree with Ann Christensen that Meg is here to stay - from her point of view.

But the Royal Family has a long, sometimes violent history. I think we would be naive to think something along those lines could not happen again.
Now! said…
I think William's involvement as an active father is a very good role model for the men of Britain.

I also think we don't know how much work he and Kate do behind the scenes. Kate, for example, spent a lot of time educating herself about childhood mental health before launching her initiative.

It's not just cutting ribbons.
Now! said…
I think Samantha wants to monetize her information in the best way possible. If that's a book, she'll take that. If it's hush money, she'll take that too.
BooBigly said…
Agree, JenS. I like your theory on the RF's phrases. I don't think the charlatan's ego can handle much more than she's already sustained. She's going to find a way to bail by the end of the year.
Now! said…
Also, Mischi, I don't think we can judge Meg's large friend based on a few moments we saw her at Wimbledon, trying to prop up her drunk college pal.

And Meg and her friends are hardly representative of all Americans, any more than Harry and his Hooray Henry mates represent all Britons.
Now! said…
I agree Hikari - I don't think the Archie mystery has been solved yet. That child (or was it a child?) was huge, and no one was interacting with the child or with Meghan. So strange.
Now! said…
Great points. Meg's big dream is to sell herself as a GOOP-style influencer. A video or even an audio recording of some of her greatest hits when it comes to tantrums would make her toxic not just to fans, but to potential brand sponsors.
Now! said…
And I'm not sure that the Clintons really are untouchable! We'll certainly see as the Epstein revelations start to come out.
Now! said…
I think what she's stockpiling is information. Keeping her from releasing that information is going to be key. What will the BRF do to prevent it? How far will they go?

Now! said…
Quite true! Since Meg thrives on attention, it seems unlikely she could pass up an opportunity to draw attention to herself, particularly in the long term.
Now! said…
Every marriage is a mystery, and they all work differently. It's been widely acknowledged that the Queen is "desperately in love" with her husband. What's that old line that "children who have lovers as parents are orphans".

The fact that the Queen and Charles are so conflict-adverse makes them easy marks for a pushy personality like Meghan Markle.
BooBigly said…
Given the RF's past, I suspect they'd go as far as they needed to...

However, if they can discredit Markle to the nth degree (i.e. arrest for drug possession, dealing, etc.), they could potentially disarm her, depending on what info she has.

Oh please let The Crown continue this far in history...
Now! said…
I notice there's a piece in the DM today saying that Sophie Wessex almost had a mid-air collision last week - her helicopter almost came into contact with a glider.

That followed the disclosure that Camilla also had a near-miss in her helicopter.

Bad things happen in threes?
Suzanne Wilson said…
Of course I have no evidence! I said Putin because neither her fans nor her detractors seem to have given a thought to his possible involvement as a (possible?) explanation for the sheer weirdness of the Meghan situation, and that strikes me as telling. It reveals the extent to which the Culture War (in which I am a Consciencious Objector) has come to dominate our discourse. Meghan presents herself as a certain type of progressive, so naturally Soros et al must be the villains here, right? But what if the person behind it (and behind so much else) is someone who doesn't give a crap about our precious little opinions and our precious feuds and is laughing up both his sleeves at the way we in the western democracies are tearing each other up over the various monkey-erenches he's throwing at us, now from the left and now from the right? Just something to think about.
Anonymous said…
And I can't wait to watch, Nutty, because I know it's out there. The BRF might be non-confrontational, but that doesn't mean they can't plot and wait. Lord G wasn't called back into service to walk the corgis, after all.
Anonymous said…
I read in The Express that MM and Kate roared with laughter at Louis in his sunglasses. Okay, 1) Kate doesn't roar; 2) MM didn't even look at Louis; 3) the only roaring that happened was when MM did her faux hysterical laughter thing standing alone while holding what looks like a baby from some angles and not so much from others. All the media seems desperate.
SwishyFishy said…
I don't think they've hit rock bottom with the public yet. I think there is farther to fall. The media still prints Meghan's lame PR stories and undisclosed "royal sources" sing her praises. The press still walks on eggshells. I think when the media starts to spill, starts to actually report what is really happening, then they will hit rock bottom. I never saw an article about Harry not going to Deal, there's been nothing on Meghan's copyright frenzy and how she will now profit off of every picture taken, every word written - even official taxpayer funded events she can now profit off of because of copyright, her secret identity Instagram threats to others, and the big big elephant in the room....the potentially corrupt Foundation. Until the shit starts to really hit the fan, I don't think it's over for these two. Meghan will hang on for deal life so long as the money keeps flowing in. Titles and tiaras are a bonus, but it's money and power she's after.
SwishyFishy said…
I think US celebrity magazines and some news sources desperately wanted Meghan to be an "American Diana" so that they could make a lot of money off her. She was expected to be the "Great Unifier" of the races, "The Breath of Fresh Air" to a moldy royal family, the "Empathetic Humanitarian" saving the world one AIDS baby at a time. The press knows none of this is true. I really think they all are aware of her past and present behavior, but they all keep as schtum as the royal family. I can't quite understand why. I realize they are all going with a PR lie for clicks and sales, they want to continue a relationship with the royal family and probably no publication wants to be branded a racist asshole, but we live in a world where the media's motto is "If it bleeds, it leads." Taking down Meghan and revealing the lies and hypocrisy would create a feeding frenzy. which means more sales. So, again, why are they disseminating lies and going along with it all? Why is everyone associated with her towing the line? It irritates me that someone so ugly, greedy, manipulative, selfish and bat shit crazy always gets what she wants. There's no catharsis...yet.
SwishyFishy said…
Most Taurus' struggle with confrontation, as well as change. We like harmony. And food.
SwishyFishy said…
Can't say I blame Samantha. MS is a degenerative and cruel disease. The US doesn't have the same health care and social systems like Europe. Everything is very expensive. There may come a day when she needs constant care, as she's already in a wheelchair. She has to think about her future.
SwishyFishy said…
I never had anything against Kate or William, but I do feel they were lazy in their early years. If you look at the royal calendar, the amount of their engagements were pretty low. Yes, the queen giving them that time to establish a family was/is important, but working 2-3 times a month? William had a part time job with the Air Ambivalence, but Kate pretty much did nothing, especially when they were living in Wales before he got out of the military and they had no children. Kate has a housekeeper, cleaners, cooks, gardeners, chauffeurs, etc. etc. People were wondering what she did all day besides playing sports, as that was pretty much all the reports of her life at Anmer were saying. Yes, she was raising children, but not like a "normal" mother, given her life of luxury and seeming ease. I really hated that she did not do her shamrock duty for the Irish Guards one year because, according to reports, she "didn't feel like it" and wanted to stay home as she has been on a few appearances already that month. Standing up the military is a pet peeve of mine as I come from a military family. There are days I don't feel like going to work, but I do it because i have to and because people are relying on me. I feel the same about Harry not honoring the dead at Deal. It's shameful. I don't understand how the Queen can ignore this, given that she made him Captain-General of the Royal Marines. This was his duty, not making an appearance at a CGI Disney movie, mixing with celebrities and taking home a $3 million payoff for his effing foundation that isn't even up and running yet. We all know who's going to pocket that money. (sigh) (deep breath) It's nice to see Kate and William working more. I don't have the complaint that they are lazy. I don't think Kate stepped things up solely because of Meghan. I think she was heading in that direction organically.
SwishyFishy said…
I so agree with you. I'm so tired of the charade and the facade.
SwishyFishy said…
I agree, Meghan is here to stay. The only person who could conceivably put an end to all this is Harry. At some point, he will get bored. He is childish and fickle. He's an addict (or former addict if that offends some). He's also cheated on every girlfriend he's ever had. When he tires of her, cheats on her, makes a fool out of her in public, that is when the shit is going to hit the fan.
SwishyFishy said…
You can't compare Meghan to Diana. For all her faults, Diana sincerely loved her sons. They were her world. After the divorce, she would never have caused any sort of kerfuffle in the media or within the royal family that would have directly hurt/affected them. I don't see Meghan putting Archie's best interest before hers.
Lottie said…
I agree Nutty
I think Will and Kate probably do more behind the scenes
The 'silent achievers'
Getting things done without all the hoohaa
SwishyFishy said…
JenS, that is a beautiful vision. Love it. The only snag is the Sussex Foundation. She is going to be making money hand over fist. Have you seen the bylaws (or whatever they are called) for it? Her plans for merching are vast. The copyright laws are brutal and will reap a lot of cash. She has put a cold and calculating litigator on the board to attack anyone who libels or slanders her rapacious ways. The royal family is going to have to cripple that foundation in order to get her out because where I'm sitting, I see her sucking off the teat of that cash cow ad infinitum.
Lottie said…
I get the feeling that Harry is the gun and Meghan is the bullet
He cocks the gun & she is the bullet that does the damage
Both probably don't even realise how subliminal their roles are....perhaps later it will be clear to them and many other people
Harry plays the passive aggressive role and therefore when it's over he will be safe from any direct negativity and blame

MM on the other hand is willing to be the rebel, aggressor and sometime, soon, she will be directly to blame & the BRF will make sure she falls hard
I think she will not be forgiven, there will be no redemption for her
SwishyFishy said…
I think in the beginning Harry was utterly besotted, love bombed and horny as hell with "Little Harry" leading the charge. (Meghan was a "professional" after all, 😉) I believe he was really impressed with all her ideas and plans. He bought into the poor-little-doe-eyed orphan image she projected to him. She saw his shadow side; all his hurts, resentments and self doubt and fed the beast. She puffed him up and made him feel more important than he really is. And now after a year of marriage? I think he's impressed with her money making schemes, which makes him an active player. He wants to show his family that he can be a financial success without them. This is an immature, angry, spoiled man-child with a chip on his shoulder and an ax to grind for anyone who ever questioned him or doubted him and Meghan. I think he realizes Meghan is inappropriate and that he made a mistake marrying her, but he's doubling down and not going to admit to this error. He still feels he's got something to prove and, to some degree, he's still under the sway of a manipulator, grifter and narcissist.
Lottie said…
I think the only safe & secure way for the BRF to get rid of MM would be to for the BRF to set her up with a residence in Britain and to do the divorce payments in installments.
Perhaps because of her deep desire to be famous the best would be to do quarterly installments, that way MM is under a tight rein and would be held accountable for any disclosures & her funding could be shut off immediately.
I think because of her over inflation of her finances, it's fair to say at the moment that she has very little of her own funds and therefore, she has very little choice

If there is an Archie, then I'm sure he will stay in Britain

And naturally it would be imperative, to have a watertight NDA

The BRF have the best team of lawyers in the world to advise them
I would not want to be up against the BRF
It would serve MM better if she swallowed the bitter pill offered and moved on with her life
But we all know she won't do that
She won't go quietly, unfortunately for her

After watching them at the Lion King premiere and her clawing and tugging at Harry was incredibly aggressive, at some points he was actually hiding his hand from her and she still grabbed it!
They are almost done
MM has lost any power she once had over him
Harry has seen the light
I also think Harry is a womaniser, a player and no woman can hold his attention for too long.
I would say that answers for a lot of her recent erratic behaviour
Her reign is almost over
Beth said…
SwishyFishy, yes I believe that Harry will tire of her and it seems as though that is already happening, however, Meghan has likely come to the conclusion that she should have done what Pippa Middleton did. Marry a rich guy, not a member of the Royal Family. A big payday with none of the responsibility. Yes, Pippa has to put up with the paps snapping pictures of her pushing her son in his pram but no one expects her to actually do anything productive and since the taxpayers are not footing the bill for her upkeep she can be as extravagant with clothes, homes, holidays, etc. as she likes. This really would have been a better route for MM but she could not resist the fame and attention. That decision falls squarely in the "be careful what you wish for" category. She is meeting a lot of very rich and influential men through the RF. She could easily be the one to bolt. Rich man, no responsibilities, the reflected glory of being a former member of the BRF--yes, please!





























































Kate said…
I agree with this as well.
abbyh said…
Tee hee, Not called in to walk the corgis. LG is the power player in this game of chess (played on simultaneously on multiple countries).
Girl with a Hat said…
the BRF need to push for laws to prevent her. That is the fastest and most efficient way to stop it. So far, they seem very lethargic and passive on this issue.
NikNak said…
@Swishy, I agree with everything you have said. Harry is not the brightest button and Megs has been in his ear for a while. For some reason he is pissed off with the firm and is acting out. Megs is giving him guidance with this, after all she is a professional manipulator (and has tricks up her sleeve...some more savory than others I'd imagine). Partners in crime? possibly. But Harry will start to worry when he's completely isolated from everyone else as they have carried him for years. I know he's stubborn but he's grossly under-educated, I just hope he protects Archie from any emotional neglect Megs will install on this baby. Right now he doesn't look like a father but a petulant child and Megs looks about as maternal as I am towards my TV license bill.
SwampWoman said…
But WHY would anybody donate to their foundation? This is the problem that I'm having with the whole foundation enterprise. While they may think that it is a fantastic machine for extracting money, what do they have to exchange for it? Clinton, as SoS, sold state secrets and uranium and probably access when she became president. Lots of folks investigating their (Clinton) activities died in tragic 'accidents' both before Bill became President and after, so there has been a long stench of corruption with them both. Actually, with Hillary and Bill, as with Meghan and Harry, the female is regarded as the more deadly.

It seems to me that the level of secrets that Harry likely had access to (and I use the past tense because I do not think he has it any longer) would be financial malfeasance and sexual deviance. They do not have minions in the U.S. government that would shut down or slow walk investigations into irregularities in their taxes and questions about where the money is going.
NikNak said…
Daily Mail article today: 'Meghan has become a fan of lawn bowling after watching pensioners play the 'elegant' game from her window at Frogmore Cottage'


Sure she has. My friends parents live around there and there is no lawn bowling in the vicinity of where they supposedly live.
Girl with a Hat said…
I read a rumour on Twitter that Harry is HIV positive and that is why a child's conception is difficult and that is the secret that Meghan is hoarding
SwampWoman said…
I would think that those rich and influential men she is meeting are rich and influential because they have an IQ above room temperature. I am a bit doubtful as to whether she could win them over with her schtick as easily. How about it, British folk, are your rich and influential as subject to the wiles of an 'actress' as a Prince was?
Unknown said…
Agree with both of you, NOTHING!
Unknown said…
Lolol TTucker..or let him take her out for a drive ;)
Fifi LaRue said…
Markle might be the one who decides to leave the BRF. We've seen Harry scold Markle twice at TTC. We've seen him keep his hands behind his back at the baseball game; we've seen him keep his hands in his pockets at the movie premier. And, then there was Harry at the Cambridge family polo event. I wonder if that wasn't Harry trying to make some sort of amends to his brother and SIL by participating. And, then who shows up uninvited? Markle. The look on Harry's face was unmistakable. The report was he disappeared for two days. Immature people deal with marriage stress by having affairs. That would be Harry. He'd sure have a lot more opportunities than Markle, with Markle almost being poison in the UK. Harry might not have the courage to suggest a divorce, but he certainly will make himself more and more absent in the marriage. It's going on year two, and already publicly we can see the divide between the two of them. Markle might mistakenly try a Diana, "There were three people in the marriage," which will just explode on her. Look for Markle to make her own exit.
PS: She will blow through that foundation money in no time.
Unknown said…
Agree on LG's role...it's a long rope
SwishyFishy said…
If so, it's terrible, truly evil, to blackmail him about that. I've done a lot of work with the LGBTQ community in various states around the country. In every one of them, there's always a few people who insist to me that he is gay and that they "know people" who have met with him. (NOT that HIV is a gay disease, I'm bringing it up as it could be the secret he is hiding.) If true, it's still evil to hold that over him, if she is indeed blackmailing him. Either way, it's all speculation, which one can't help considering the situation is so damn confounding.
SwishyFishy said…
@Swampwoman, there are so many starf*ckers out there who want to be in the presence of celebrities and royalty. Even rich people are susceptible to hype, PR and star power. They simply charge a fee for appearances, like at the Lion King. Meghan would need to stay married to continue the allure. On her own, I doubt she could pull in the big bucks she needs and wants to maintain her couture lifestyle. If there is a divorce, she's going to take a hit to her reputation, because the gloves will be off in the press.
punkinseed said…
That would be sad if true. It's also been going around that Megs has begun to keep copious notes about Harry, like a journal, although it could be just a normal diary like some of us keep of our day to day.
punkinseed said…
Someone said Harry at some point in the polo did reach out to Wills with a hand on the back or some other gesture, but Wills didn't reciprocate.
Rabbit, I think you're right in that Harry didn't want Markle at the match because he wanted to have some time alone with his brother to try and patch things up. Her very presence makes Wills cringe, so by her showing up with baby to interfere in any communications between the brothers nixed that opportunity. That might be why Harry went off grid for 48 hours and it's been said that Wills knew where Harry was, but no one else. I think he was talking to his brother during that whole time and not out having an affair; and didn't return to wherever he is living. That explains why he wore a snap on bow tie to Lion King.
I also think the worn out shoes he wears all the time are a signal of some kind to someone. Similar to the upside down flag is the international distress symbol.
Anonymous said…
OTT a bit, please excuse:

Could someone please tell Caitlin McBride (who may actually be reading here) that:

1. Many Americans think Markle is a fraud and a player; we aren’t all stupid and don’t believe the British are being racist with their dish. Let’s face it – Americans are every bit (or even more, from my observation) as racist, on the whole. We loathe her because she is a liar and a fraud. Repeat: we loathe her because she is a liar and a fraud.

2. Markle was not a successful actress on a popular American TV show. Bloody hell. Get it right. Suits is a Canadian cable show, most of us had never heard of her, and she was D-list awful. She had no career after Suits because just no one wanted to see that skank give another BJ on screen. And she only had a few more years left on the yacht circuit (and I'm being generous there - her Best By date was probably more months away).

Just please.

Thank you in advance. Lord G and I will go walk the corgis now.
Louise said…
In his engagement interview, even Harry stated that he had never heard of her before.
Louise said…
I think that it was pointed out here previously that Harry had an appearance at the Commonwealth Youth Conference on July 11, the day after the polo.

So he obviously wasn't missing for 48 hours. It is odd how rumours can start, even when the facts contradict the rumour.
Louise said…
Do you have a source, Mischi?
Louise said…
Elle, I also saw that in the Express, but the accompanying photos contradicted the statement that $mirkle was laughing.
SwampWoman said…
@SwishyFishy, if people are foolish enough to pay them to appear at parties (I believe Paris Hilton made a very good living at that), well, I don't have a problem with that (grin). I can just see grand openings of grocery stores and shopping centers featuring Prince Harry and the Harpy signing autographs.
Louise said…
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Anonymous said…
Yes, @Punkin, here's the video:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1151921/prince-harry-news-prince-william-royal-rift-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-polo

I watched it a couple of times, and here is what I saw: Harry reached out to Wills and did the guy back rub/pat half-hug thing. He looked sincere. I'm sure he misses his brother, but I may be projecting here. (My much beloved brother and I had some difficulties, and when they were resolved, I just sobbed with happiness, so ...)

Whether or not he misses William, Harry looked sincere and the gesture was not a 10 second camera shot (unlike the skank's kissing-the-baby photo where she's glaring prey-like at the camera the entire time - and is she too stupid to know that we see that?).

When Harry did it, William gave him the AYFKM look, but he was smiling. It's (IMO) the kind of look you give someone you know well and love but not liking very much at the time. IMO it looked sincere, and though William didn't reciprocate, I do not see it as wholly unwelcome.

Markle, OTOH, was wholly unwelcome by most everyone, from what I can tell. (Louis was nice to her but she didn't return the smile, much less "roar" - see above.) The she creature scaled her way from the darkness of her underworld to stalk her prey, and I think everyone there, probably even George, felt that maleficence.

I also agree with your assessment re the off-the-grid-clip-on-bow-tie situation. It's what I thought, too. Harry rolled up and threw on what he could find.
Anonymous said…
@Louise, maybe the truth of the 48 hour rumor is that he went missing from Markle's clutches for that time. Who knows. But strange things are afoot, regardless.
marvelousmagda said…
Does UK law allow one to divorce a spouse who is mentally ill, or otherwise incapacitated?IIRC, at one time, it did not. If Harry's money comes from a trust, then it could be protected from incursions, in part bc, it is inherited, not earned.
IMHO, polo fields was a doll. MM was enacting a scene from a silent movie where the distraught abandoned woman, holding her love child is standing in rags out in the cold (heat), waiting for the man who wronged her to come by. Total manipulation/humiliation. In the one photo, it looks more like PH is pushing her and the "baby" away. Nightmarish!
Anonymous said…
True, and that was one of the first times I observed a mismatch. I wasn't following this at all, didn't know who she was, had never heard of Suits, etc., but when I saw the engaged bit, I had to see b/c I was happy for Harry.

I immediately spotted the sham of her.

I didn't listen to the interview at that time but did see the photos of her in the ice-skating costume (oy! but new money is tacky sometimes lol) I remember reading that he had seen her on Suits and wanted to meet her which didn't match with the story I heard later in the interview. Of course, nothing MM fabricates matches because not only is she an awful actress, she's an awful liar. One would think that with as much practice as she's had at living and telling absurd lies, she'd get better at it, but it seems that even there, MM cannot achieve more than mediocrity.
Anonymous said…
I guess anything is possible, but I'm going with a NO on Harry being gay. This is a rumor that is circulated about many men - as if gay and HIV positive are the worst that can be told. It's eye-rolling in its predictability (hello, Brad Pitt, Richard Gere, George Clooney, Barack Obama, etc., etc.). I'll stop there.

@Punkinseed -- I smile at the copious notes about Harry. I'm sure she has been doing this. But if you have seen the polo match 2017? video of her in sneaky-creature mode, digging furiously in the back of the car with her little claws before being scared away, you'll get the image I have now:

She scrawls away in her little diary, hiding it in some part of her underworld, waiting and seething, probably drinking the blood from some small animal she's eviscerated ... as HMTQ, Lord G, and the corgis watch via secret cameras, laughing and planning... (Of course, the corgis love the small animal part and bark wildly during that bit lol)
marvelousmagda said…
Could it be that the MM royal stalking was her own idea, but as she got closer to grasping the brass ring, she became a pawn in a greater game? I've wondered about the timeline of her appearance on the stage and the Brexit issue. Could non-Brexiters both inside the UK (slow walking gov't.) and outside (EU) want to spread chaos/disaffection/distraction by using MM's antics to take down of the BRF, an icon of stability? I get the impression that the PTB have recognized that MM is an unstable loose cannon and have withdrawn their covering.She is incredibly vulnerable and has become frantic. Hence, the increasingly manic public displays. Wimbledon 1&2/polo were classic examples showing her instability. Those recently circling MM are has-beens looking to raise their own profile and they are heading for the exits, too.
marvelousmagda said…
Monster Meg is in deep and she does not have the resources to pull it off, i.e., the Sussex Foundation modeled after the Clintons. The Clintons were connected to some very powerful persons/organizations, plus, it was said that, as soon as the C's moved into the WH, HRC got her hands on FBI files and mined as much dirt on everyone as she could muster. Even now, the C's power base has eroded and will eventually collapse. The best MM can hope for now is some kind of go-away pay off. If she is smart, she will take it and disappear bc she no longer has value to some very dangerous people. Sadly, I do not think she is that smart.
marvelousmagda said…
Darlings, Have you looked at American media?! At how many "so ugly, greedy, manipulative, selfish and bat shit crazy always gets what she wants" people are constantly in the news and getting away with behavior as bad or worse than MM! Think about it! Who's pushing the narrative? Must be money and I do not think MM has that kind of money any more than Geo. Soros has all the money to do all the things he is supposedly involved in. Maybe the BRF was being so tight lipped bc they have a clue as to the monsters lurking in the deep. If I am right and MM has been abandoned by her protectors, then I expect that we will see swift justice meted out by the BRF.
Kate said…
Agreed, I’m an American and see her for the fraud that she is. I could care less what race she is, it’s her nasty and deceitful personality that has everyone angry and upset. No one here had heard of her unless they watched Suits, which is a so-so show on a second rate cable network.
Louise said…
Elle, I had also heard that he had seen her Suits and asked for an introduction, until a few days later, when the story changed 180 degrees.
Fifi LaRue said…
When Markle showed up at the polo match in that baggy dress, and her hair hanging down, unkempt, the only thing she forgot was to go barefoot. She was presenting herself as the abandoned mother, desperate for hubby to come home. Giggle worthy, and extraordinarily bad acting.
Girl with a Hat said…
I have no source other than the rumour mill on Twitter. The person wrote that Harry has had sexual relations with many famous people, including some that have been rumoured to be HIV positive like Rihanna. That's all I know. And, what a shame if he and she were. HIV is no longer a death sentence but it's not something trivial like the common cold, either.
Girl with a Hat said…
yankee wally archificial on youtube and twitter claims to be in contact with Samantha
Girl with a Hat said…
I don't think she is here to stay. People hate Meghan. If she were arrested for drug possession, let's say, people would sympathise with the BRF, not hold them responsible. This would also take the spotlight off of Andrew's issues, especially if it were a hard drug like heroin. Too many people do cocaine, so that wouldn't work.
marvelousmagda said…
Perhaps, like Diana's family knew that she had mental issues that would become more apparent as she got older, the BRF knew early on that PH had inherited some of his mother's fragile psyche. Hence, the OTT coddling and whitewashing of his behavior. As was mentioned somewhere recently, PW has been the handler/clean up crew for his brother, until his and DoC's influence was usurped by MM. I am very, very concerned for PH. I do not want to see another tragedy in the Spencer/W-M families. If PH would step out of his public role, renounce his styles/titles and go to Africa alone, work in a preserve, get his hands dirty, reconnect with the land, it would help to restore his shattered psyche. If he stays where MM can manipulate/humiliate him, the toxic atmosphere will do great harm. For that matter, PP seems like he's got squirrels in permanent residence in his attic and filter issues on his mouth a la Joe Biden.
Lurking said…
@Hikair....

"he's got so many liens against him, he faces prosecution if he returns to the States, or to an extradition-friendly nation like the U.K."

You don't get prosecuted for liens. You face civil action. You don't get extradited, because you owe people money. A lien has to be attached to property, and if he in fact owns property, the lien holder could foreclose against the property. If he refuses to appear in court during foreclosure proceedings, he defaults on the lien, and the court will issue a summary judgement, after which the lien holder can force a sale of the property to satisfy the lien. Additionally, the US has an extradition treaty with Mexico.

I'm not a fan of Smeg, however you're making accusations and do not understand the law. Do you have any source for what you are saying, or are you stating what you think to be true with not source to back it up?


marvelousmagda said…
Yes, Elle and others! Non-confrontational people like HM and PC have minions like LG to be the enforcer for them. Not sure why it took so long. Could be what I mentioned above re: dangers in murky waters that have now moved on. I'm standing on the words of Proverbs 29:1 -"Whoever remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy."
hardyboys said…
I dont think MM would get that much money from the trusts bc of the conditions imposed on them. However that said she left her whole life behind to go overseas which she will be compensated for that by way of spousal support. The more risk she took the more she will get. I do not think the queen could ever get custody of her child. This is not the dark ages, and the queen is 93. I do not think she is down for a legal fight over her grandchild who is like 10th in line. In terms of getting her to leave graciously which is all they care about give her a big fat golden severance package and she will leave. She is smart enough to bounce back and try her best to tarnish them.
marvelousmagda said…
FWIW, I'm still trying to parse the comment made on Torontopaper1 re: syphilis and the Darren doll. Syphilis can lead to infertility/insanity/generational genetic defects in the offspring.
Girl with a Hat said…
Syphilis takes years not being treated to have those results.
marvelousmagda said…
I saw some of the early episodes of Suits when it was cute and fun before it became sleazy, backbiting and ugly. MM was the worst part of the show. Like nails on a blackboard every time she came on camera. Worst and cheapest dressed of all the ladies, which showed her status on the show. pouchy and rump sprung tight skirts and mannish blouses that accentuated all her figure flaws and sponge bob shape. The file room scene sealed Suits' demise with me. UGH! FYI, when I read that MM and PH were dating, I was stunned! I did a google search on their dating history and came across an article from back in 2011 that asserted that PH was under pressure to marry for racial diversity. I have since gone back to try to find it, but it was either scrubbed or so buried in the avalanche of PH/MM stories, it was unattainable.
marvelousmagda said…
Not to upset anyone, but untreated generational syphilis was very common. If someone in a family tree had it, it can manifest in now time bc the originator's DNA was corrupted by the virus and passed down, i.e., If the May 8th photos is a doll bc a real baby was born with an obvious birth defect that could not be surgically corrected immediately. Same is true of infertility. If not regularly screened, a multi-partnered woman may not realize she has been infected bc the symptoms in a woman are obscure and could be overlooked. Insanity could be manifesting for the same reasons mentioned above. Plenty of time for the virus to hit the tertiary stage and start degrading brain function, especially accelerated by drug abuse.
Anonymous said…
Just adding, it is much harder for a secondary lien holder to force foreclosure. But yes, civil action.
BigFanUSA said…
Magda, somewhere in the dredges of my mind I recall seeing that Rachel Meghan had once likened Trump to Syphilis, basically comparing him to an STD. During the trump visit in June, the press was being very kind to Rachel Meghan by not bringing that particular remark up.
Girl with a Hat said…
oh come on, Magda! how many cases of tertiary syphilis have been seen in the last 3 decades in North America/Europe? not more than a handful.
punkinseed said…
Louise, I just googled to see if Harry showed up for anything youth commonwealth, but so far nothing stating he appeared. There is a round table meeting he was scheduled for on the 11th, so it's possible he attended, but might have been a short meeting. It doesn't mean he wasn't away from Megs for 48 hours, but yes, rumors can be exaggerated and difficult to find the truth from fiction.
Flangalina said…
The thing is I’m not sure RF need a plan .

1, if she decides to play hardball she will going up against one of the most powerful families.
2 whilst she has been playing this game for sometime the firm have been playing for decades.
3 I would bet my hat MI5, have watched learned and taken note to the point that the PPO reports
EVERY word uttered.
4 Was she not captured by a sister site for copyright and plagiarism,Freckles anyone? Imagine how deep
Deep certain people would dig with an agenda!
6 she is known to be paranoid,that could be used to quite an effect to the point where she would even
doubt her own thinking!
7 As a love of all things nice and spice the firm could have a forensic account go over ever bean spent
What would they find or even come up with?
8 I’m am sure Amal would have had a word in her ear and would politely refuse to go up against the Firm.
9 HMTQ has the ultimate weapon her cash anchor baby,by English law she has custody!
10 kinda think she has worn out her alliances within America, POTUS especially.

I have to think it would be a quiet arrest with all the passive aggressive interviews you can think,
Offered a quite sum to go quietly and quickly with a ironcald NDA.
So yeh muckles you be( naughty word).
punkinseed said…
Nutty, it would be a fun topic some time to show what has started as a rumor that was found to be fiction or fact about Megs and Harry.
I was a reporter and editor for years and believe me and other journalists like Nutty when I say that for reporters, if we thought everything people told us was a rumor or just gossip, we'd seldom have anything to write about. Journalists, real ones, old school like I was, are truth seekers, the diggers who will go to any length to get to the truth, be it originated as a rumor, gossip, reliable source, or not, then report it accurately in about 200 words or less at fifth grade reading level.
It basically comes down to this when a story evolves: All we know is what people tell us. It's our job to find out if it's fact or fiction. It's kind of like fishing. Sometimes we catch our limit and other times we get totally skunked.
Suzanne Wilson said…
I don't know much about Brexit, so I'm not qualified to have much of an opinion on it. But whatever one may feel about the EU or NATO, or the American Constitution...or the British Monarchy, for that matter, these are all western institutions whose purpose is to foster democracy and alliances between democracies...even if you think (not without reason) that this noble purpose is being honored as much in the breach as in the observance. I think Putin wants to tear it all down, or at least sow as much chaos as possible so that we will be at each other's throats (the usual conflicts between races, classes and ethnic groups brought to a fever pitch), will loose faith in institutions, loose faith in democracy, and look to strongmen to lead us out of the chaos. It just occurs to me that a love affair between a Royal Prince and a bi-racial American actress who happens to be a tacky, narcissistic grifter, and who also poses as a certain type of preachy progressive that gets on a lot of people's nerves might be something he would see as a situation to be used to his advantage.
Please forgive me for derailing.
abbyh said…
In response the anchor baby/custody issue, I think that the law states (technically) grandchildren, not great-grandchildren as at that time, people were not living long enough to pull that off that many generations alive at the same time.

However, I would not want to be the lawyer who would be trying to argue that it would not make sense to extend the logic of the law to great-grandchildren generation and therefore the child is free to go with the mother (providing she has not broken other law which would prohibit her custody).

Spinning in another direction: Can I come help walk the dogs?
Anonymous said…
Hijacking-because-of-TOTAL-Cuteness Alert:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7269583/Prince-George-shows-love-football-sports-Three-Lions-jersey-birthday-pictures.html

The whole bunch of them, just TCFW
hardyboys said…
I'm sorry I have to ask what is the law that the Queen has automatic custody of Harry's child? I studied British common law and I know of no act in any common wealth country that would give a Monarch custody of a relative as of right. The child belongs to MM and PH. Also the test is best interests of the child. Imagine the public outcry if the BRF could just keep her child. Germaine Greer gave an interview a few years ago. She said she expects MM to bolt bc the BRF is just too hard to live with
Anonymous said…
In general, unless it's one of the ubiquitous rumors or the merde of the bat crazy ones or an urban myth type situation, I generally look for the grain of truth because, as you must know from your research, there often is one. I believe the Harry/Gay/HIV story falls into the ubiquitous rumor category, and some of the others here definitely fall into the two other categories, I *do* believe that the 48 hour diss might have some legs to it. It's random and not an obvious choice. I could be wrong.
abbyh said…
I know it was King George I, 1700's taking his grandkids away from his own son.
Louise said…
Punkinseed: There were several stories published on the 11th and 12th because Harry had banned the media from being present at the event. Of course, the media were none too happy and wrote about it..

Whether it was a short or long meeting doesn't change the fact that he was present and accounted for.
Louise said…
As BigFanUSA states, $mirkle made some comment to the effect that Trump was like syphilis.
Girl with a Hat said…
she left her life willingly. In fact, she made a big issue of just that to show that it wasn't Harry who was forcing her to do so.

I don't think she will get much chance to tarnish. It's not a question of blackmail on her part, but the BRF giving the ok to having her arrested and declared an unfit mother. Perhaps her friends also partook of the Class A subtances and won't be available to help her.
punkinseed said…
Elle, exactly! That's how one has to winnow and sift through it all to separate the wheat from the chaff. Threads of truth of any given rumor are usually there if one wants to follow it. Sometimes it's like Occam's Razor, but other times it's like the Gordian Knot or a mystery wrapped in an enigma. What's been batshit crazy is my experience is how often the truth, when it's finally revealed fully, is what we thought it was all along. Not every time, of course, but often.
Girl with a Hat said…
and in those meetings, Harry is implementing Meghan's plan to not allow the press in their public appearances and to have the press pay for access to what was said by Harry and Meghan, those amounts going to their "charity".
hardyboys said…
Lmao....300 years ago...
punkinseed said…
Good question Veena. We do know that the queen didn't take custody of Wills, Harry, Eugenie and Bea, or Princess Anne's children, so it's most likely she wouldn't with Archie unless Harry and Megs are so horribly unfit that there's no other choice. Unfit like drugs, abuse, neglect.
Suzanne Wilson said…
I don't know much about Brexit so I'm not qualified to have much of an opinion about it. But whatever one may think of the EU or NATO or the American Constitution...or the British Monarchy for that matter, these are western institutions that foster democracy and alliances between democracies, even if you think (not without reason) that this noble aim is being honored as much in the breach as in the observance. I think Putin wants to tear it all down, or at least sow enough chaos that we will be at each other's throats (the usual conflicts between races, classes and ethnic groups brought to a fever pitch), will loose faith in institutions and loose faith in democracy, and will look to strongmen to lead us out of the chaos. And it occurs to me that a love affair between a Royal Prince and a biracial American actress who happens to be a tacky, narcissistic grifter and who also happens to pose as a certain type of preachy progressive who gets on a lot of people's nerves might be something that he would see as a situation to be used to his advantage.
Please forgive me for derailing.
punkinseed said…
I know right!? The cutest of cute. He sure looks like his grandpa Middleton.
Anyone want to bet that we'll be seeing some shots of Archie quite soon to deflect attention for adorable George?
Suzanne Wilson said…
Sorry for the repost. I'm having trouble posting my comments, and I don't know what to do about it.
Anonymous said…
It seems to be a technicality that exists nonetheless. An old royal rule says that Her Majesty has custody over all the minor grandchildren and that may extend to great grandchildren as well.

Perhaps one of the strangest rules in the royal rulebook has to do with the royal grandchildren. Whether it is 300 years old or not, it does seem to still exist and as we know, those can still be relevant today. "Technically, the queen has custody over Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis. Plus, when Meghan and Harry have their baby, the queen will have custody over that one, too....The royal rule dates all the way back to King George in the 1700s. Supposedly, King George had a bad relationship with his son, so he passed the custody law to make sure that he had control of his son’s children. The royal family never got rid of the law, which explains why the queen technically has custody today."

And while 300 years may seem laughable, there are constitutions and case law that old and still used today (although less so with case law in the US, but the Bill of Rights, certainly, and case law is based on that and state constitutions, etc.).
Anonymous said…
Agreed, Punkinseed. In legal/AML research, the spidey sense is not to be dismissed. Intuition has a lot to do with it (not to minimize research, just to say that they are linked). I am genetically predisposed (long line of judges, attorneys, etc.) and ancestral memory and ability may go back 14 generations or more. From birth I've had an eery (and unfortunate, at times) ability to pick up on lies/frauds/wannabes, etc. In situations like the markle, I really tap into it. It's maddening, but I have learned to pay attention when something sits right.
marvelousmagda said…
Mischi, Apparently I've upset you. My apologies. If you had taken a second to run a google search, you would have easily found what I did..."Tertiary syphilis usually presents after at least 3 years of the primary infection. Tertiary syphilis occurs in 30-40% of all infected persons...This means that it occurs in less than 200,000 of US population..". That is an annual number, btw..."The key features of tertiary syphilis are the involvement of the brain, eye, heart, and skin. At this stage of the infection, the bacteria enter into the brain damaging the lining of the brain and spinal cord, called the meninges, and the blood vessels in the brain. The bacteria may also cause damage to the nervous network in the spinal cord."
Girl with a Hat said…
it wouldn't be a question of donations but of monies received from their "copyrighted" image and speeches. They are banning the press from their public appearances and intend to have the British media pay for the content of their speeches and their photos which will be taken by their private photographers.
Ozmanda said…
offtopic a bit but did anyone else see this?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9551481/meghan-markle-fan-bowls-elegant-frogmore/

She is now blatantly trying to be the "Diana 2.1". It is nauseating
Ozmanda said…
Punkinseed - First Sparkles will need to outsource a child to hire for the day:)
Girl with a Hat said…
Magda. to suggest that anyone in the BRF is suffering from tertiary syphilis is ludicrous. They have access to the finest physicians and consultants in the world and have regular physical examinations.
Anonymous said…
Yes, Oz, but if you go to Charlatan Duchess, you'll see that Kate was lawn bowling in 2014, so once again, mm is leftovers. Whoops. I guess her PR is going to have to try harder / dig deeper.
Anonymous said…
and re my response above, that was a quick google, not in-depth research, but there are several articles out there if anyone wants to research it further.
Ozmanda said…
My profession is about profiling people including groups and have been trained in noticing things others may not see. This is handy but it also means I am a introvert as I get completely overwhelmed by groups as I take EVERYTHING in.

Intuition is a thing - the human brain works on several levels, and one of them is the subconscious, where the observations happen at such a level it is like a computer program scanning a lot of feeds at once.

I know I am boring:)
Ozmanda said…
A part of me thinks she is wanting to be outcast - not enough to lose her title but to be deemed not suitable for appearances - that way she can have the wealth and status, but without the responsibility.
Ozmanda said…
I think what needs to happen is Wills and Haz get away on a "boys weekend" where they don't have to deal with the crap and just be brothers doing brother things. This will on one part enable them to reconnect (which will send Sparkles nuclear) but also hopefully show Haz that he needs to get out of this toxic marriage.
EFarrell said…
I actually watched the first season of Suits myself and have absolutely NO memory of her at all! She made no impression on me whatsoever. I’m American and had never heard of her at all. I, like a lot of people was happy a local girl made good. The red flags started waving when she said, she didn’t really know who Harry was. I chose to ignore that one, but more and more weird stuff was revealing itself.
Now it’s so obvious to me that she’s a narcissist and grifter. Not sure what Harry’s part is in all this. Sometimes I think he’s complicit, sometimes just stupid, sometimes both.
Either way it is fascinating to watch it all unfold. Oh, what Shakespeare would have done with this drama!!
punkinseed said…
Haaa haaa! She could begin a new trend to add to her status! As part of the new Sussex Foundation, they can start a rent a baby boutique, complete with baby gear from the Archie Line of clothes, shoes... Of course, Megs will design the logos and trademark it all. Maybe we should trademark this before she can to block her from actually doing it.
SwampWoman said…
Well, it seems as though the answer to that is not to cover them. No press coverage, no pictures. They become nonentities. If some of the American celebrity suck-up magazines want to cover them, fine, but I don't think their images on magazines have been especially good sellers. This is what SHOULD be in the press: "Prince Harry had some inane comments that we won't insult your intelligence by repeating. The Duchess, as usual, wore a hideous dress and it looked as though her hair went through a hurricane on the way to the event."
Now! said…
It is a cute photo series, isn't it? I also like that Kate photographs her own children for their publicly-released images. She's good at capturing their individuality.

A professional photographer would have an additional distance from the kids, and an inevitable formality, that Kate doesn't have.
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