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A quick thought: Meg, Harry, and the California fires

California is facing a particularly vicious wildfire season this year, with thousands of acres burned and many parts of the state without electricity.

More than 50,000 people have been forced to leave their homes, including superstar basketball player LeBron James, who drove around and around with his family in his car, looking for a safe place to stay.

The area affected by one of the major fires, the Getty fire, is precisely where Meghan and Harry hope to move. Bel Air, where they were supposedly looking homes, is currently within a mandatory evacuation area.

How would Royal security handle this?

Fast forward six weeks ahead, or even six months ahead. How would Royal security handle a mandatory evacuation?

The RaSP section of the Metropolitan Police Force is in charge with protecting the Royal Family as well as Parliamentarians or Diplomats.

It's hard enough to protect Royals when you have a limited area (their living area in London) to control, or a limited time in another area (Royal tour).

But how would they be able to protect the Sussexes against a broad selection of threats - including fires - indefinitely, in a vast area or in a country where they have no government authority?

If even LeBron James has a hard time finding a safe place for his family, what of the Harkles? 







Comments

Jen said…
MM and PH security means nothing to the Megs. She could care less (as we've seen countless times as she's ignored her protection as it pertains to greeting the people, and the PAH engagement).

My guess, they won't have protection in America. UK taxpayers won't have it, and I can assure you that the US taxpayer isn't paying. So they'll be on their own.
Meowwww said…
Honestly? They’d hop on a private jet and go. They’d have bodyguards, sure...hopefully paid for out of their own pockets. Harry’s rank though would probably guarantee them RPOs.
I lived in So California for many years. There’s no RPO in the world that can stop those fires. I’ve been evacuated once and it’s terrifying chaos.
Meowwww said…
@Nutty, thanks for the info about just skipping the captcha thing. It worked!
Unknown said…
Thanks for the new post, and a fresh line of discussion, Nutty!
Also, yes, Meowwww, skipping the Captcha works fine for me as well!

Glowworm
I don't expect them to put two Braun cells together and come up with a functional 1/4th of a cell. Don't know what they'll do in a real fire, probably start crying and blame Greta Thunburg for doing a shit job of educating the world about climate change. Lol

What they would do is use that as an excuse to private jet their precious arses to nice or Belize or ibiza or someplace "safe" every year.
PaulaMP said…
Speaking as someone who is going through it right now, they will not get any special privileges, everybody is in it together and it's scary as hell. Money and celebrity are no use in this situation except maybe to provide you an expensive hotel room. I hope they NEVER move to CA, there are enough useless people here already.
abbyh said…
What they would do is use that as an excuse to private jet their precious arses to nice or Belize or ibiza or someplace "safe" every year.

Probably this.

I would hope that as part of the you live in the USA, you pay for your own security team or do without. And that might be something which might get a tad primal with PH as his mother did not have RPO when she was in Paris. He wants to play the media but that was her decision.

Himmy said…
Why do the British tax payers need to pay for their security? They are lazy minor royals and constitutional irrelevant.

I still don’t know how they are paying for the nonstop PR. I don’t believe conspiracy theory in general, but I do suspect they have some backers behind the scenes.




Nutty Flavor said…
Personally, I would not want to be the RPO in charge of getting Meghan to evacuate. She's not very good at listening to her security peoples' advice, as discussed in a previous post.

But I think full-time security in the US is going to be tricky for them. It can be had, but at a price.

They should talk to Mark Zuckerberg and his wife, whom I sure have a busy team given Facebook's controversial profile, or Bill Gates' people.

That said, those people have a lot more to spend than the Harkles do.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Himmy, they clearly do have some backers - and the recent letter signed by the British MPs is the strongest evidence yet.

Who the hell was behind that?

It was also featured in the New York Times and the Times' Twitter feed - suggesting that criticism of Meghan is "colonialist."

A hell of a buzzword for a small-time actress who flies about in private jets.
Anonymous said…
Meghan is a Southern California girl. She knows exactly how destructive the fire can be. This is possibly ONE area where she might know more than the people around her. And, really? Someone who has access to several homes in the U.K.? Don’t cry for me Argentina. She would just hop on a plane, and then post-fire concoct a bunch of word salad that makes her a hero, how she went from door to door, waking people up so they could get out in time, fill in the blank nonsense. She has no compunction about making “bank” on a girl who was brutally assaulted and murdered, why would fire victims be any different?
KCM1212 said…
We would probably be treated some inane footage of them claiming "bullying" by the wildfires. And yeah, what is with the letter of support from the MPs? Seems pretty toadying, especially given the Sussexes current level of support in their constituency.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Personally I find the idea of giving priority to the likes of Harry and his wife over other people in case of emergency like wildfires absolutely disgusting. They are not better quality or more valuable than anybody else. If they are at work this is a different matter. When they live privately it is up to them to make sure they are safe. I used to support the monarchy because of the Queen's impeccable morality and hard work. Now when the standards are slipping so badly I am questioning the value of the royals. There is one things I support - Crown owns a lot of green spaces in UK. Without it we would have had ugly houses instead of parks and woods.
Himmy said…
@Nutty Flavor That’s how out of touch the elites are. People are tired of being lectured by hypocrites.

I grew up in a communist county. It is so hard to watch the Western elites suppressing free speech for the sake of PC.
abbyh said…

She would just hop on a plane, and then post-fire concoct a bunch of word salad that makes her a hero, how she went from door to door, waking people up so they could get out in time, fill in the blank nonsense. She has no compunction about making “bank” on a girl who was brutally assaulted and murdered, why would fire victims be any different?

Fundraising for the victims via the foundation.

I read that many people who evacuated did not tell the staff not to show up. Not feeling particularly soft and kindness feelings about that.
Royal Fan said…
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t New York pay for her security when she had her baby shower. I’m certain she would expect the US taxpayers to be footing her security bill while here. It won’t take long for her to sour her image here. She’s too caustic to do otherwise.
bootsy said…
If they do go to live there then it is incorrect to view them as normal citizens. There will be people in government who will ensure that they have extra 'rights.'
If they are protected then their protectors will have extra powers above and beyond normal bodyguards. Some will be set in stone and some won't.

It's similar to questions on whether MM will have to wait 3 to 5 years to become a British citizen (if she wants to). Does anyone really believe she will go through the same process as us plebs? Same with protection in the USA.
KCM1212 said…
BTW, just discovered this blog and I love it! I have been shaking my head in wonder that people have been taken in by this pair of entitled grifters. I love your analysis, and the comments of yourcreaders. Thank you for adding a voice of reason rob the cacophony!
KCM1212 said…
Well heck...you get what I was trying to say :)
I think they will be protected. The question really should be by whom?
The British Taxpayers? The US taxpayers? Or??

One thing is for sure M&H will not be paying for their own security if they live in California. But they don't pay for their private jets either do they.



Artemisia19 said…
My guess? Run Away!!!!!
Artemisia19 said…
She should just take Obama’s advice and the negative press stop. Don’t do stupid shit.
Liver Bird said…
"Harry’s rank though would probably guarantee them RPOs."

I don't think so. The York sisters - who like Harry are male-line grandchildren of the queen - do not have RPOs. This is because they are not 'working' royals. If Harry goes to live full-time in America, he could no longer be considered a 'working' royal and will lose many of his privileges, incl. RPOs.
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Piroska said…
The Queen has 8 grandchildren six of these manage to live quite safely without Royal Security so why should the 6th in line and his wife do the same? AS for the female MPs signing that letter with any luck most of them will lose their seats on 12th December
I know their stans always screech when anyone mentions taxpayer $$ (the royal family only cost pennies a day!) but I do think the money question and who pays is a big one if they are seriously thinking of a US move. When Meghan came to the US for her baby shower, she was guarded by RPOs and also partially by the US state department with the help of local NYC authorities, I believe. The state department has to offer protection to high level foreign dignitaries (and H&M, with their current status, qualify). If they were to move here and keep Royal protection then they would be asking RPOs to relocate to the US (and potentially away from their families). Not to mention do you pay for the RPOs to set up house here? Do you increase their salaries to compensate them for a move? How do you justify the cost to taxpayers of having royal protection in a country that is not even part of the commonwealth? Not to mention the potential cost to US taxpayers if you continue to utilize state department protection and local LA authorities. We are already groaning under the security costs for ALL of Donald Trump’s adult children. Also if they were using the State Dept, the Freedom of Information Act would allow for any reporter of newspaper to regularly apply to see a report of their movements (as they did with her baby shower, which is how the world learned she argued with protection officers about which door at the hotel to use as she was worried about “optics”). I can’t imagine they would want that long term.

I think they were expecting a large outpouring of sympathy from the documentary and when they got a mixture of horror that they would stand on African soil and complain about THIER lives and a sort of “well if it’s so awful, you don’t have to do it” shrugs, they now are pivoting to “well, maybe we will leave and see how you like it” self-righteousness. Maybe they really wanted to leave all along or maybe they are trying to force Charles to publicly acknowledge their value (his plans for a slimmed down monarchy would be kind of screwed if they left), but I can’t help feeling that this is one long game of chicken they are playing with the BRF that started when they demanded the split from KP and then didn’t get their own completely separate office to do whatever they wanted with no oversight whatsoever.
hardyboys said…
Live with Dorito in her maternal grandfather's home which she inherited. Isn't there always a problem every year in Cali? Last year all the Pacific coast millionaires had their homes destroyed in Malibu. Why would the American tax payers support her and Harry. Why would the English taxpayers support her and Harry? The constant overexposure of them in the DM Is killing their stock value. They need to really disappear into some beautiful remote European country and appear very strategically. They can't afford 24/7 security detail like the Kardashians. harry's money would run out fast.
Humor Me said…
The British taxpayers will not stand for RPO for H&M in the States, period. IF they move, they will pay for it out of their own purse. That said, yes, I can see Harkle departing for the closest airfield, clutching Archie to her bosom, with hair flying, babbling out running door to door to save the neighbors. Complete with pictures. Harry will stand on the safe tarmac once landed and lecture on climate change being the culprit for said fire. And they will feel good about themselves.
Mimi said…
The British and the Americans have paid for and will continue to pay for Her whenever she comes back to the U.S. UNLESS somebody puts a stop to it.
avocado said…
I don't think they'll move to California. Broody and the Beast live for money and status, and have they've really ever shown attempts to make any extra, sustained effort to solve their own problems? They prefer other people to bend to their will by complaining and turning their backs on those who will not give in. Better then to throw tantrums and pity parties in the UK from their place of power than to actually become private citizens and put their money where their mouth is.
KnitWit said…
I couldn't believe the female MPs jumped on the word salad woe is me bandwagon. Disgusting. I am in the US. Otherwise, I would be sure to vote them out. Colonialism??? A royal couple using South Africa as a backdrop for a propaganda film is blatant colonialism.

Too a break from the bickering.

Swampwoman, missed your question. I use bamboo knitting needles while traveling. I usually use circular needles and use a toenail clipper to cut threads. I make sure I have work " on the needle" in my little bag. I usually travel with socks or lace hat/scarf as a project. Big long metal needles would probably be a problem.
Piroska said…
Incidentally Female MPs sent letter to Clarence House that is Prince Charles address
Liver Bird said…
"The British and the Americans have paid for and will continue to pay for Her whenever she comes back to the U.S. UNLESS somebody puts a stop to it."

On short-term visits while still retaining the status of 'working' royal. Giving up that status and going to live in Los Angeles full-time would be entirely different. One of the York girls lived in NY and had no RPOs.
Kat said…
Sure move to California, they'll have to pay for security themselves. No reason for UK or USA taxpayers to pay for their security.

Ultimately I think at the end of the day, Harry and Archie will end up back in the UK. MM will stay in the USA. She'll probably have a private bodyguard, she probably won't listen to them very well since as we know what Meghan wants, she gets.

Also I just saw Murky Meg's video about the MP's letter. Are they really that unaware of what strings this woman is pulling behind the scenes? Or are they just afraid to be on the "wrong" side of history? I do think addressing it to Clarence House just shows that no one knows where she and Harry are really residing.
Mimi said…
Liver Bird, I should never post until I have had my morning glass of .....I mean my huge mug of coffee. I know this and should have finished my thought but you did it for me so thank you. p.s. Personally I don’t believe Harry will ever give up his royal status and come live in the U.S. Why would he? He has it made where he is. He says and does whatever the heck he wants and nobody tells him NO!
Glow W said…
Fire season will be over in the next week or two and I don’t believe the rumors about them wanting to move there.
Liver Bird said…
As for the MPs letter... it makes me a bit cross. Most of the 'signatories' (it wasn't actually signed) are Labour MPs. I'm a Labour supporter but intensely dislike Jess Phillips, for reasons I won't go into, except to say that like most politicians she is an opportunist who always has her eye on what could advance her career. And jumping on the 'poor Meghan' bandwagon suits her career very well: It gives her, and others of th same ilk, an opportunity to show how 'woke', how feminist and how horrified by the rotten tabloids they are... at precisely zero risk to themselves. None of these women ever gave a toss when Kate was stalked by the press or called all sorts of names. I don't know who most of them are, but I'll also hazard a guess that many of them would not consider themselves royalists. Yet here they are - with Brexit and a general election looming - giving up time to show 'solidarity' with a woman enjoying immense unearned privilige. I really, really dislike such shallow bandwaggoning.

Speaking of which, The Guardian, which loves Jess Phillips and had previously been very much in the 'leave Meghan alone' camp - despite a few blips after the absurd 'documentary' published this today:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/30/the-treatment-of-meghan-is-racist-we-should-feel-able-to-say-so

I have the same question for the author as I have for Jess Phillips and all the other Meghanistas. What, exactly, is this 'treatment' of Meghan you so oppose? Can you give clear examples, with links to sources? Because all of this hand-wringing over the 'villificaiton' of Meghan is always very very vague. It's become one of those things people - well some people - simply assume is true because it's been said so many times. But where is the evidence? Given the Sussexes' eagerness to use the courts against the press, and the fact that Britain has very robust laws about libel and hate speech, surely they would produce the examples, if they in fact existed?
Glow W said…
Fire threat is a combination of dry, low humidity and wind. As soon as the offshore winds die down, the fire threat will be much much lower if not gone. This usually happens in November.
Liver Bird said…
" Personally I don’t believe Harry will ever give up his royal status and come live in the U.S. Why would he?"

He wouldn't give up his royal status - not even great grand uncle Edward did that - just the role of 'working' (!) royal. I actually think he's stupid enough to do so, if Meghan convinced him - and let's face it with his 'intellect' he wouldn't take much convincing - that the horrid British press were making her life a misery and if he didn't come with her to LA she'd go without him. He seems utterly under her spell.

However, if he did do it, it would be almost as big a mistake as marrying her in the first place. He would regret it for the rest of his life, or at least until he went back to England, cap in hand, and begged the firm to take him back.
Mimi said…
I have a question regarding security for Meghan when she visits here in the U.S. Somebody did some investigating regarding how much the taxpayers paid for her security while she was here in NYC for, was it five days, while she threw a baby shower for herself and ate out with her various friends and did who know what else. Meaning, the visit was of a personal nature. I believe at first the department in charge of her security was extremely reluctant to address the issue of how much was spent but someone found out and it was an outrageous amount and people were upset but then it was swept under the rug real quick like.

My question is......is the U.S. required to provide security for her every time she decides she would like a visit, or say, she is here for business purposes....to meet with lawyers, to meet with IRS, catch up with friends and go out to dinners with them, attend her friend Serena's tennis matches? you get my drift.
Fairy Crocodile said…
It is very interesting to see the strategy DM is using regarding MM. It floods with stupid empty articles about her make up, jewelry, alleged support from Kate, endless leaks, bleating from American millionaire celebs and had-beens. Most of this is designed to look positive but is coupled with unflattering pictures or controversial statements. Public reaction to them is normally brutal. Everything people learn on the Internet is shared, all her blunders remembered and taken to the light. What media is doing is building up the public opinion and doing this very efficiently. MM can't win this war even if she wins her court case.
bootsy said…
@Fairy Crocodile
I wouldn't read too much into their strategy beyond the idea that they're posting stories safe in the knowledge that people will click to comment which means advertising $$$
brown-eyed said…
My understanding is that Prince Harry has special security requirements because of his military service in The Middle East. I keep reading that he is #1 on the ISIS “hit list.”
Tamhsn said…
Not sure if it's been posted or how much truth is in it..

https://canoe.com/life/royals/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-quit-royal-family-queen-strips-them-of-their-royal-titles/amp
CatEyes said…
@tatty The fire threat can continue year-round and in fact this time of year it is the notorious 'Santa Ana winds' that cause the worst fire threat for So. Calif. and the Inland Empire (area east of LA proper). Being a Mediterranean climate rainfall is only an avg. of 9 inches a year. Higher wealth areas of Malibu (where I guess Meghan would want to live) is dangerous because of twisting close-quarter road conditions and Hwy nxt to Ocean does not have easy mass exodus paths.

I have written previously on this site why California would be so unpleasant for Harry. Not to be overlooked is the dreadful economic condition of many of the city/county governments (where many went officially bankrupt over the years). I can assure you there will be no long term free protection of MM/Harry because politicians there won't find it acceptable.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Tamhsn Very interesting, but the Queen is unlikely to use phrasing she allegedly used. It is just very unlike her speech patterns. And she normally acts more subtly. Removing picture from the table, distance at public gatherings - very much more authentic. And wouldn't be stripping somebody of a royal title a matter of special royal decree? I just don't know.
Liver Bird said…
"Not sure if it's been posted or how much truth is in it.."

Round about 0% truth, I should think.

The queen can't 'strip' anyone of their royal titles. Only an Act of Parliament can do that.
Kate said…
I just read that story about the Queen’s reaction to the documentary. I really wish it was true, but somehow I doubt it. Smegs was grinning up a storm at her engagements after it aired. If she was punished by the Queen, I’m not sure she would have acted like that. Then again, I think she thrives on chaos and putting on fake smiles when the world around her is ‘against’ her.
abbyh said…

Agree with Fairy that the Queen goes for subtle moves to indicate displeasure.

In the game of chicken, not responding is actually quite the power move. Either side however can send balloons which may or may not be sending a message during the interim between bargaining sessions. And that is why it is so difficult to play chicken with people who play it professionally.
Tamhsn said…
I also thought that's not true. But to be honest, I am really frustrated with what's going on. And now Cory's mom also "defended " her! What's going on? It's not even funny anymore if not scary.
Tamhsn said…
Nutty is also wondering about the "backing"! She was a Zzzz list actress at best. Nothing fits.
Ava C said…
I wouldn't believe anything connected with Radar Online. Nearly every week they print the most ridiculous stories about Priscilla Presley. And yes, the Queen would never respond like that and would never speak like that. Crazy. Wish it was true but it can't be.
HappyDays said…
I think the US State Department would work with royal security to assist in their protection if they were in the area on a VERY short visit, such as Meghan’s visit to NYC for the baby shower and again for the US Open, but would not provide security of any sort on a long-term basis. Anything more than a few days, like a week or so, would most probably be the responsibility of the UK.

I can’t think of any legitimate reason they could come up with for HM or Charles to justify the necessity for a second base of operations for a pair of British royals in the US. The reason “they sure don’t make it easy” probably won’t go over very well with anyone in the RF who has anything to say about it.

Meghan did not marry the Duke of Malibu or the Prince of Beverly Hills. She married a British prince. Period. She should be embracing her new country and immersing herself in it. But she hasn’t because I believe she wasn’t ever planning to live there. She wants to take the royal title and the goodies that come with it and provide nothing directly in return. She most likely thinks she is above the UK and its citizens and they should be happy and thankful she is married to Harry.

I believe staying in the UK was never part of her long-range plan starting with the minute she met Harry. She has probably been filling his empty head with this nonsense about being world changers from the start. Instead she is breaking the traditions and protocols of the RF and thumbing her nose at the prospect of being a working royal in the UK spending her days visiting homes for the elderly and animal shelters because she wants a life of an endless stream of A-list red carpet events.

She is so full of herself she thinks she can do whatever she wants. But by the time Archie is old enough for nursery school, whomever is the monarch will likely want Archie to receive a traditional British education in the UK, not at The Little Red Schoolhouse in Hollywood.
I wouldn't worry so much about the MPs, 72 is next to nothing regarding Parliament and it will be interesting to see how many will retain their seats in the upcoming general election. My irritation is with the colonial inference. We've been multi national for as long as I can remember and I'm an old lady! Meghan's supporters are clutching at straws trying to make it a racist issue. It never has been, it's all about her poor behaviour and total disrespect to our Queen. I really hope that they move away from here, they really are surplus to requirements.
Anonymous said…
I don't think she expects to stay in the RF, I think she's aiming higher to be the President of the UN (President of the World) so I don't think royal protection have to worry. I'm a 4th generation Californian who escaped three years ago for a small east coast town, and I couldn't be happier. I knew they were starting some of these fires deliberately to herd people off the UN's "wildlife corridors" where people will be banned. They want us out of their cars and into megacities where the only services will soon be, believing we are cancers on earth so they can add hefty carbon tax to an already impossible tax code - screw that, I'm outta there.

What got me is, I made SO many calls when these fires started happening right around the same time they rolled out smart-meters (which have caused fires), and asked WHY, considering they had the tech to make torrential rain 60 years ago in Vietnam to slow down enemy troops and kill crops by ceating and then seeding clouds, don't they do that now? Santanas aside (Santa Ana winds), why not do that during these ridiculous droughts? Or even mention it as a mitigating possibility? I was answered with crickets by meteorologists at all the major media channels, experts at Universities, and even Fire Chiefs, not to mention state leaders and reps. They must destroy in order to rebuild, so they're starting with uber l liberal California.

The level of evil is diabolical, and I just don't understand how they can get away with it, when solutions are obvious to me. Much like the neutered dog, I just don't get it.
lizzie said…
Gee, it was only 2017 when a female Labour MP said publicly Kate was "disgusting" for buying a jumper/sweater that cost £150/$200. Said that was a food bill for a family of 4. And that was after she said the Middletons were like the Kardashians because they behave like "film stars." What a difference 2 years makes! (Although so far as I can tell, Coad didn't sign the Meghan letter.)

https://www.newsweek.com/prince-william-kate-middleton-public-funds-671071

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/17/middletons-no-different-kardashians-claims-labour-mp/amp/#aoh=15724651544828&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s
CatEyes said…
@Nutty Paraphrasing your question: As to how they would be protected against a wide variety of threats?
1. UK taxpayer needs to pay for them as they are UK royals! I for one, will write my congressional representative and the President if one American government cent is spent on them. I've already written the Queen that I am embarrassed about Meghan's actions.
2. If they live here in an area where they are threatened by wildfires they can get in the evacuation line like everybody else.
3. If they are bothered by the vicious US media, then they can grow a thick skin or go back to the UK.
4. If they move with an intent to reside then Harry can apply for immigrant status and get in line with everyone else.
5. If she tries to work in Hollywood as an actress, then I expect her to join the screen actor's guild and pay the required dues this time (she previously admitted to not doing so at one point).
6. If she moves to Calif. then she can start paying the state's high-income tax on her earnings.

CatEyes said…
@Ladyskipper102
Although cloud seeding is a theoretical remedy, in actuality, it is for a very narrow and very limited solution if it even works when invoked. One major problem is that California does not have the means to capture large amounts of rain due to a lack of widespread reservoirs. I live in Texas now and it is covered across the state with man-made lake reservoirs (most built by the Army Core of Engineers). Here in north Texas, we receive 4 times the amount of rain So. Calif receives and we successfully capture it and use it for Dallas/Ft/ Worth. We are still building reservoirs.

The topography in So. California also not conducive to receiving a massive amount of rain (hence why we hear always of the tremendous mudslides doing such damage there).
Hikari said…
I think these noises about moving to the States to go live in Malibu constitute another of Megsy's 'trial balloons', just like the Doria coming for Christmas - Balmoral Birthday Party - Kate Throwing a Baby Shower - et al. It has been Meg's MO to announce as a fait accompli something which she 'wishes' to happen. Only, none of these things she has tried to conjure up have really occurred, so then the idea is suddenly dropped, never to be mentioned again. Another sample of her manipulation tactics, trying to get her own way via the 'But it's already been announced all over the media!' gambit.

Do we doubt that Megs will wind up back in the States eventually? I don't. But this notion that she could export Harry and Archie to California where they will set up their own Sussex West court and be feted as global humanitarians in Hollywood is a fantasy of Meghan's. What is more likely is, the BRF is about ready to boot her out on her unpadded arse. Harry loves to party in America--but he has never actually *lived* abroad. For as much noise as he makes about wanting to be a private citizen and be left alone, I don't think he's got a clue what that would actually mean. What he *wants* is all the privileges, perks and wealth of his position as a Prince (hello, jetting off to Tokyo to watch the rugby!), but he doesn't want to have any constraints placed upon his hedonism, such as photo calls or boring engagements or having to dress up in uniform and follow protocol.

To be an actual private citizen and be responsible for all one's own bills, schedule, dressing oneself, etc. is a lot more work and deprivation than I think Haz is prepared for.

I just want this to be over.

In an unrelated tidbit, I see that Megs is now claiming that *she* is the one who gave Harry the nickname 'Haz' (before he was demoted to just an initial.) Of course she is. I'm 100% certain that Harry has been 'Hazza' to his mates since Eton. Daft cow.
Hikari said…
To add: I'm sure Megs doesn't want too much poking and prodding around the subject of Archie. If the Suxxits bugger off to America for an indefinite stay, I think that would raise legal issues of custody that would become problematic for Megs. Either way, really. The Queen is the legal guardian of all children, grand-children and great-grandchildren while they are minors. As the sovereign, her heirs in the line of succession technically are her property and legal responsibility. Either Archie is the legitimate 7th in line of succession . . or he is not. It would be interesting to see to what degree HM puts up any sort of fuss over the Suxxits basically abducting this child to go live on another continent. If the question of Archie's sovereign custody isn't even broached, then it's fairly safe to say that he is not regarded as a legitimate heir. I can see Megs trying to use him as a bargaining chip--setting off a huge legal battle ala Elian Gonzalez, over what country he rightfully belongs to, in order to extort as much money from the Crown as she can. But then she might be required to submit proofs to the court that she is Archie's legal mother--can she provide such? And how about his paternity? Meg is not a British citizen, but if Archie is Harry's then Archie is both British and Royal through his father and the Queen has legal custody.

What a can of worms our Megsy has opened across the Pond. Hell, it's not a can; it's an aircraft carrier's worth of worms.
Sandie said…
Harry does not enough money to buy the sort of property they would require and fund their lifestyle in the USA. Maybe M&H are deluded enough to believe that they can raise many millions for their Foundation and fund themselves through that. They have the right people in place for that and their shenanigans ensure maximum media coverage daily, but it will take time to fill the coffers, and they really are not doing anything substantial nor noteworthy to brush up their humanitarian or environmentalist credentials.

In the meanwhile, dirty PR is at work and is wreaking havoc in spreading lies, sowing division and drumming up a false narrative about them. Such a media campaign is destructive znd the effects will linger.

What can the BRF do, even if they have seen the light as to her agenda and methods? W&K can't deny the stories being spread about Kate phoning Meghan and fully supporting her and them being hugely harmed if M&H should relocate to the USA ... not without looking bad and fuelling the flames of gossip and dirty PR. But, if they say nothing, they validate the false narrative.

What the BRF needs is a respectable biographer with access to real information to publish the whole truth (and it would help if a disgusted member of staff secretly taped M&H to expose them). So much damaging stuff about Meghan has already been uncovered but she is brazen in simply ignoring it (playing the victim of bullies for heavens sake!) and there are too many people going along with this.

Will the BRF survive? Yes. They survived the Charles/Diana scandal, the Fergie scandal, an abdication, and so much else.

In the meanwhile, M&H do not have the experience, knowledge nor credentials and connections (to the real power brokers) to make themselves billionaires through their Foundation. As for their PR ... is Hillary Clinton president? Does Fiona Mcilwham have a stellar career in the foreign service?
CatEyes said…
@Hikari I have read a number of places that the Svereign has custody of grandchildren but not great-grandchildren. I tried but could not find the actual wording of the law which was instituted in the 1700's. If you have a citation I would like to read it. If it is true (does not include greatgrandchildren) maybe that is why MM/Harry feels emboldened to say they may go live outside the UK. But I agree with most saying this is just 'hot air' and they will only visit and not dare move.
Ava C said…
@Sandie Will the BRF survive? Yes. They survived the Charles/Diana scandal, the Fergie scandal, an abdication, and so much else.

I'm curious. If Meghan and Prince Andrew both become even greater issues than they are now, at around the same time, AND something dramatic happens with Brexit and maybe a second Scottish referendum, would this be the greatest crisis period the Queen has ever faced in her reign? Because at the moment, events are certainly developing in parallel.

Yes the crisis of the Wales' marriage in the 1990s involved the immediate heir to the throne, vastly outranking Harry, but there wasn't a question of his fitness to be king, and the nation wasn't facing political and potentially constitutional crisis. We had some dramatic financial crises but we hadn't had a decade of Austerity. It all feels like a perfect storm brewing. I know there's too many 'ifs' here, but alarm bells are ringing.

That book about the finances of the BRF is coming out soon and people are reacting to excerpts with overwhelmingly negative comments, especially that George Osborne made changes as chancellor that increased their income enormously, under the public's radar at the time. Remember after the run of crises in the '90s the Queen was forced to give up Britannia and made unprecedented tax concessions. What's building up now feels far worse.

I must say it's remarkable that Meghan manages to be as destructive a loose cannon as Diana, despite the huge difference in royal seniority. Goodness knows what Diana would have made of her. Maybe they would have exhausted themselves, each trying to outwit the other to secure the most attention and fuss.


bootsy said…
@Lizzie
Thanks very much for the link r.e. the Labour MP. Politicians from all sides are such brazen liars and demagogues nowadays that it takes a memory like yours to show just how two faced and hypocritical they really are in order to win votes and rely on short term memories.

It's a great example of how the modern info vomit that is the internet is so useful to them. So much stuff is printed every day it's so hard to remember all their dodgy positions!
Pantsface said…
imho, the RF will survive this debacle, H will have RPO's wherever he chooses to live as he is the son of the future King, can't compare with the other grand children. The female MP's and their pathetic open letter are unknown except in their own constituencies (Apart from Diane Abbot), probably trying to make a name for themselves, most likely to be voted out by the end of the year, sadly maybe in some cases but this was ill advised and they should have known better. So many wothwhile causes to attach your name to, this is a joke. The world will keep on turning, with or without MM, all we can do is watch the fallout, or not, not convinced anymore
Jdubya said…
https://www.hellomagazine.com/travel/2019091977971/secrets-of-how-the-royal-family-travels-abroad/

saw this article - thought i'd share it
Miggy said…
Off topic.

Apologies if this has already been posted but it's the first time I've come across it.


https://www.bylineinvestigates.com/mail/2019/10/24/meghan-markle-claims-mail-suppressed-key-parts-of-her-letter-to-her-father-about-exploitation-by-british-tabloids-6g6m2
Mischief Girl said…
@Hikari, your first post

+10,000

I don't know anything about your second post, so have no comments.

I do think little Miss Meghan is throwing up yet another trial balloon. Harry and Meg don't have the money to live how they'd like to live in SoCal, and people there would be bored with them PDQ. They'd be the flavor of the day for about a week and a half, and then the attention would go elsewhere.

I've said from the beginning, the Markler mistakingly believes celebrity is larger than royalty. Fool!
abbyh said…

CatEyes

Re Law concerning the children and grandchildren

I don't have the citation but when the law was put on the books (early early 1700's), no one was living that long for people to consider adding it.

I suspect the lawyer thinking is that there would be a good case for them keeping Archie in the UK even thought the law does not specifically mention great grandkids as there is a logical sense to it and that once Her Majesty passes, the law would be apply.

What about the I can just pick up my stuff and mosey on back to SoCal where I'm wanted? I think that M is playing a game of chicken with the BRF about her leaving and what she would like from them to exit.
Miggy said…
Duchess Meghan Reaches Out to U.K. Politician Holly Lynch After Powerful Open Letter Condemning Press Attacks.

WARNING!! Sick buckets needed.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a29642147/meghan-markle-holly-lynch-press-attacks/

While I'm here - need to say that I agree that they will NOT move to California.

They'll go there for their jollies but a permanent move - never!
Ava C said…
The current DM article about the MPs' letter carries a particularly smug looking photo of Meghan. I could feel my blood-pressure rising as I saw comments from her defenders. I don't know why I keep reading all this. I think it's shortening my life! They honestly don't seem to see that she has done anything wrong. I just don't get it. They must be so steeped in celebrity culture they measure her by the same criteria.

Meghan has personally rung the MP who is mainly associated with this to thank her. Bang goes political neutrality. Less than two months before a general election. For God's sake, just what will it take to get the BRF to do something?

Dawgs said…
Her Majesty the Queen reportedly strips PH and MM of their titles, home, and stipend in her fury during palance confrontation over whingeing documentary!! https://ottawacitizen.com/life/royals/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-quit-royal-family-queen-strips-them-of-their-royal-titles/wcm/2d24ce73-d854-4a61-8769-ce041778d6f1
HappyDays said…
Re: The comments about the monarch not having custody of great grandchildren: HM won’t be around forever. Chances are she will pass on before Archie turns 18. At the minute she’s gone, Archie will become the grandchild of Charles, the reigning monarch. I am guessing he’d want Archie raised and educated in the UK, especially if Meghan continues to snub him as she did with the recent snub and create unflattering havoc and drama that negatively impacts the Firm’s reputation with the British public. I am hoping he chats with William about her and is realizing she is a toxic and destructive person who has gutted and overtaken his younger son and is quickly eating away the shell of Harry that remains.
Royal Fan said…
I hadn’t thought about the ramifications of FOIA requests if she uses tax payers dollars for protection in the US. That would certainly open a can of worms and details she wouldn’t want released but she would be unable to stop them from being released. For the benefits of the Brits and other folks outside the US, if she uses US tax payer funded protection through the city she lives in, then American citizens have a right to apply for the information in a request called a “Freedom of Information Act Request.” Generally, as long as the info doesn’t compromise on-going missions or isn’t classified and would be in the public’s best interest, then government agencies are required to comply. Someone mentions above that it’s only for the press but that’s not correct, any citizen can make a FOIA request. It’s just that the press regularly make FOIA requests so they know how to do it more readily than the average citizen. She would not have any privileges being a royal here. That wouldn’t be a factor and may actually make compliance with the request more reasonable since it’s in the public’s best interest to know what their tax money is exactly being spent on.
abbyh said…

IRS question:

If there was taxpayer funded protection, would that be a taxable event to her?
SwampWoman said…
KnitWit said...Swampwoman, missed your question. I use bamboo knitting needles while traveling. I usually use circular needles and use a toenail clipper to cut threads. I make sure I have work " on the needle" in my little bag. I usually travel with socks or lace hat/scarf as a project. Big long metal needles would probably be a problem.

Heh. I'd be in real trouble if they requested I actually knit something!
Lurking said…
LeBron is an idiot if he really did drive around looking for a place to stay. I've lived in various parts of Southern California since the 1970's, from Santa Barbara to San Diego and have been evacuated, survived several earthquakes including the Northridge quake, and numerous blackouts. It's not that hard. You get out of the immediate area of the fire and start looking for a hotel. Unless you are driving an electric vehicle, most vehicles have a 250 to 300 mile range.

Most likely scenario for Smeg+1 evacuation is a private jet out of Santa Monica airport or LAX.
SwampWoman said…
Lots of hotel rooms in Vegas and Reno!
Royal Fan said…
@abbyh sounds like an accountant question but I wouldn’t think that would be considered income. Maybe it could be considered a gift? Her taxes are going to be a nightmare and open the BRF up to a little bit of intrusion from the IRS. Atleast when it comes to her income sources.
Lurking said…
@Nutty and the commentor above who is wondering about where all the money is coming from. Here's an interesting take on the letter Smeg received from the MP.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7632649/STEPHEN-GLOVER-cynical-MPs-claim-sisterly-solidarity-Meghan-Markle.html

From the letter:

"newspapers have ‘cast aspersions on her character’ and published ‘distasteful and misleading’ stories ‘concerning you [that’s Meghan], your character and your family’.


Quoting from the article: (I did not quote the entire article, but the highlights.)


"Unfortunately, in what is admittedly a short letter whose leading signatory is the Labour MP Holly Lynch, not a single instance of the media’s alleged persecution of the Duchess is produced.

"Wouldn’t it have been helpful if the missive had at least hinted at what is meant by the charge that newspapers are ‘seeking to tear down a woman for no apparent reason’?

"If only one illustration of what sounds like bullying bordering on intimidation had been cited, we would at least have the basis for a sensible debate. But nothing whatsoever is offered."

"There is one wild and unsubstantiated accusation in it which tops all the others. It is that ‘some of these stories’ — naturally, no examples are given — have ‘outdated, colonial undertones’."

"MPs are getting at something else. They are implying, without quite daring to say as much, that news-papers’ criticisms of the Duchess of Sussex are partly motivated by racism."

"the deeper motivation behind the letter is, of course, political. As I say, most signatories are Labour. And it is Jeremy Corbyn’s intention to bring newspapers under a measure of state control.

"Although details have not yet been revealed, the Labour leader spoke four years ago of the need for a ‘multiplicity of ownership’ in the Press. That might imply confiscation."

"Last year he warned news-papers that ‘change is coming’. A Labour administration could set in train a second Leveson Inquiry into newspapers. He has questioned Press freedom by claiming titles are ‘controlled by billionaire tax exiles’."

"If the Press is to be curbed, it is necessary to demonstrate that it has overstepped the bounds of decency and ignored people’s privacy."

"It is even more regrettable that Meghan should have thanked Holly Lynch for her support. She has done what no member of the Royal Family should ever do by entering the political arena — whether deliberately or inadvertently I can’t say — and given comfort to the enemies of a free Press."

Smeg has made no secret of her political leanings. We are seeing on this side of the Atlantic moves to limit free speech and freedom of the press. This is dangerous. Smeg and by implication Harry want a return to groveling press coverage with only glowing articles written and anything unflattering off limits.

HappyDays said…
Nutty: One other natural disaster that would happen so quickly that could leave H&M and little A in a predicament is a catastrophic earthquake. The experts in this field say that sooner or later, California is ripe for a huge quake. I’ve been in a couple of minor quakes, and you have only a few seconds to take cover. It would be a security nightmare and you don’t jump on a jet if the roads and runways are so damaged you can’t get out of your neighborhood. It would be almost out of the question to get them a helicopter if it is truly a major emergency.
Lurking said…
@SwampWoman... wouldn't have to go that far. I'm exactly 100 miles from downtown LA and there are LOTS of hotels here.

@Royal Fan: gifts are taxable in the US. The laws get rather arcane, however, with the baby shower, multiple trips on private jets, accommodations, she's likely over the threshold.
Royal Fan said…
@Lurking I’m aware gifts are taxable. Abbyh questioned about tax payer provided security being taxable income in the US. I was saying that the only reason I could think of would be to consider it a gift. Her taxes are sure to be an absolute nightmare. I’m sure she’s over the threshold for gifts given all of her other known gifts like you mentioned private flights for one!
CatEyes said…
@abbyh & Happydays Yes, when Charles becomes the Monarch the law would apply but it looks like the Queen has some more years ahead (hopefully and thank goodness).

There is another law, the Hague Convention which might come into play if MM/Harry takes off with Archie. It is an international compact with about 98 countries that have agreed to which helps a custodial party if the opposing party flees with the child into one of the other member countries. This law would require the child to be returned to the original jurisdiction and the court decide the further action to be taken. So it seems that this would support Charles' position if he is the reigning Monarch,

I agree with most here that it would be foolish (stupid in my book) if they attempt to live here. Harry has less sense or brains than I give him credit for if he lets Meg manipulate him to leave the UK. Maybe then the Queen would act.



punkinseed said…
Haaa. Ain't no way Megs is really moving to LA. Maybe a long visit, but no. Her main occupation at this point is to create buzz, stir manure, stink up the room and blame others for the smell. She wallows like a pig in all of the attention she's getting. She loves to flip off the RF and anyone else who gets in her way to feed her unquenchable need for NPD supply. She's drunk with power and eventually she's going to slip and fall in her own messes. Name one person who has ever managed to run rough shod over so many for very long like this. I can't think of anyone. Even Diana had decency. Megs is incapable of doing anything for anyone ever. Look at her track record. What has she really done for anyone other than her paid flying monkeys and a few dress designers? Anything at all? At least Diana was able to raise a lot of $ for charities. I haven't seen Megs really contribute to a single one. Not one. To coin a term my dad used to say: she's "useless as teats on a boar." And I might add, she's BORING.
Royal Fan said…
https://www.ibtimes.com/prince-harry-happier-marrying-meghan-markle-duchess-masterfully-seduced-williams-2856424

https://www.ibtimes.com/meghan-markle-called-witch-prince-harry-under-her-spell-netizens-react-2856355

Some negative press coming about about Meg influencing Hazz!
Anonymous said…
Ibtimes is a weird website. They are not worthwhile IMO and they also say nutty things about Catherine and William.
Anonymous said…
6 Pakistan ministers walked out on Catherine and William insulting them: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ibtimes.co.in/kate-middleton-prince-william-face-shocking-insult-pakistan-by-six-ministers-807344

Lurking said…
@RoyalFan

"Abbyh questioned about tax payer provided security being taxable income"

That's an interesting question.
Lurking said…
@Drabredcarpet...

From the article, "Six Pakistani ministers walked out of the British High Commission reception, reportedly annoyed at their place at the gathering."

Were the Pakistani ministers unhappy that they, the Pakistani ministers, were not accorded more deference, a higher place at the gathering, or were the ministers annoyed about the presence of the Duke and Duchess?
Ava C said…
New Guardian article with headline 'The treatment of Meghan is racist. We should feel able to say so' as if this is an incontrovertible fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/30/the-treatment-of-meghan-is-racist-we-should-feel-able-to-say-so

Again, no apparent awareness of her many failings that have nothing to do with that issue. Or that she self-identified as Caucasian until she needed to do otherwise. Infuriatingly, no comments allowed. And many readers will be infuriated. Recently they used other article that did allow comments, to make their feelings known.

All this is doing is to ratchet up the tension and sense of grievance felt by the general public who take note of the royals. Also adds to the backlash against what is seen as virtue signalling, especially against the MPs who agreed to be listed in that letter. Backlashes often end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater. BRF take note.
Ava C said…
Article by Grazia plus extract:

https://graziadaily.co.uk/celebrity/news/meghan-markle-racist-abuse-mps/

>>>>>>I can’t help but think this [MPs'] letter would have been so much more powerful had it swapped out ‘colonial undertones’ for ‘racist abuse.’

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the undertones of many of the articles written about Meghan are tinged with racial prejudice. Prince Harry himself called out the racist coverage Meghan Markle was already facing back in 2016 when confirming her as his girlfriend for the first time. The statement made his view quite clear;

'His girlfriend Meghan Markle, has been subject to a wave of abuse and harassment... the smear on the front page of a national newspaper; the racial undertones of comment pieces and the outright sexism and racism of social media trolls and web article comments.

If our own MPs can’t boldly call out racism in the press, then what hope do we have of the situation changing?>>>>>>>>

What evidence does the author offer as to the criticism being racist? Why only that Harry said so (2nd para of extract).
abbyh said…

I don't know about the taxation (I probably ought to just ask my accountant who is used to my coming out of left field questions sometimes).

I was thinking of it as a benefit issue like club membership, driver who takes you places, some kind of costly "benefit" that is not a normal job perc: taxpayers paying for something which she/they would otherwise have to pay for themselves could be viewed as not a gift but more like taxable income?

For example, when someone sells a house short because they are underwater (meaning that they sold the house for $80K but the mortgage owed is $100 = short $20K). The house seller gets a 1099 from the bank for $20K reported as income to the IRS (that money which the bank is writing off is the same as income to the seller that would otherwise to the bank and therefore taxable).
I agree with a few posters above that HnM will not be relocating to CA on a permanent basis. Nor do they want to relenquish their royal titles. The letter by the female Most though is just too eye rolling and frankly distressing. What it has done is 1 - made this about race, yet again without establishing just how. 2 - made it into a woman centric issue , so sowed the ideas of misogyny. 3 - forced it to be a constitutional issue.

About the race part, that's just jumping on the bandwagon and regurgitation of Harry's SA statement. It doesn't go into the details at all. And race seems to be part of the reason that the women have signed, because it seems like they want to take a stand against something "worthwhile" and we're what apart from brexit could be interesting and decided to do this. This seems like very kitty party politics to me.

That's also brings me to the misogyny part. The wen seem to imply that they ate supporting mm because she is woman who is being wronged and these women, who have some power, will not be afraid to stand up for her. Firstly, the mm issue is not completely rooted in misogyny. She is actually greedy, machiavellian, partly crazy, narcissistic etc etc and she happens to be a woman at the same time. Yes it's easy to bash her, as opposed to the once beloved, now wronged, prince but that is diluting the essence of the more pressing issue - she hates the family and is using them.

This is by and large a family issue, she wants their money, their fame their influence for herself. Harry is a means to an end. And all of the issues could be solved with some level headedness from the BRF, with the media playing side-chick. The Mp letter now brings the govt into it directly and that's forcing the Brfs hand. Mm and pH don't have constitutional powers, but this letter shows that they have influence?? So the Mps supporting them is meant to show that the general public supports them? Women Mps are supposed to represent the underdog and so indirectly means the Sussexes are the underdogs and downtrodden?

This mess is turning into an extremely unpleasant national crisis, at least that's the direction it's being steered towards. With no other purpose that just because.
Jdubya said…
So - it appears Samantha Markle is the 'VICTIM" of the cyber-bullying

https://www.fox13news.com/news/polk-sheriff-confirms-cyberbullying-investigation-involving-meghan-markle-half-sister-samantha

KnitWit said…
I still think they should go to the Bahamas and aid the hurricane's cleanup.
Sandie said…
Just a thought ... how many rings (albeit cheapish ones) can one woman own and wear? Yep, Meghan has purchased some more rings.

https://people.com/royals/the-special-meaning-behind-meghan-markles-two-new-gold-rings/

I have a close relative who is a narcissist and a compulsive shopping disorder is part of her characteristics. It just would not occur to a narcissist that perhaps helping out a relative (even if you do not like that person) may be more important than buying another ring (or even making a donation to a local community centre or animal shelter.

And it seems to be infectious ... Brexit, a parliament that bickers without achieving anything, the Queen dragged into the mess, poverty a reality, a general election looming ... and 70-odd female MPs devote their time and energy into sending an unprecedented letter of support to a foreign entitled nobody (despite all her hustling) who keeps buying more rings (and accusing the media of racism in that letter)?
Unknown said…
I may have said this in a previous post, MM has pissed off the BRF, the British people and the British media. Only the government was not. However, it seems that the government is not immune to the Markle ripple effects.

Agree that these women MP are stirring the pot. Interesting to find out in a table of comparison what these women have acheived prior to this letter. The letter comes out amidst the panic of Brexit and the ensuing voting. Perhaps they are looking to win more female votes?

If the fires are as perilous as it seems, synthetic wigs are an absolute hazard. Look what happened to Michael Jacksons hair when a spark flew on it. That being said I used to admire Whitney Houstons hair until I read somewhere that she had to shave off her natural hair as a bald scalp was easier to fix a wig on!!!

I feel in natural disasters the RPOs will be out of their league. They seem to be trained against crowd control and people attacks. So in these huge fires, it will be ''Every man for himself''. No idea where they get trained, but firefighting skills can't be one of them. More like emergency evacuation. No idea if helicopters need aviation clearance and if they are allowed to fly over fires. Also surely the sick,needy and animals get first priority, not the priveledged and wealthy.
lizzie said…
I don't know how security for H&M will be handled when they "visit" California. Since both the UK and the US L paid for the baby shower security, I'm afraid that will happen again although I think H&M should pay. Does anyone know who paid for Doria's security prior to the wedding?

Gifts are NOT taxable income to the recipient though. That I do know. Gift taxes are paid by the donor if the gift doesn't qualify for an exclusion. The annual dollar value exclusion for this year is $15000. There are some others, see link.
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/frequently-asked-questions-on-gift-taxes
Royal Fan said…
@lizzie we were discussing that she is likely very much over that threshold since people charter private planes for her and then announce in the paper. That’s not even including all the gifts we don’t know about publicly.
Ava C said…
Re: MPs' letter about Meghan, one of the better known ones (Jess Phillips) has tweeted:

"To all those getting up their follower numbers by slagging off Megan Markle. I prefer my Royals taking on the press and talking of strains of mental health and motherhood than, you know.... hanging out with rich rapists."

That's how low her bar is. Prince Andrew. Words fail me.
lizzie said…
@Royal Fan. I'm sure you are correct M has received over $15K in gifts.

But the $15K IRS limit is the amount an individual or entity can give to a single individual without triggering the gift tax provision. IF the giver (not the recipient) is subject to the US tax code, and the amount given to one person in one tax year exceeds $15K, then the giver has to pay gift tax, not the recipient of the gift. As the link I posted from the IRS indicates, it's possible a donor and a recipient could agree to some other arrangement but the recipient/donee is never obligated to pay federal taxes of any kind on gifts and gifts aren't considered income. Interest earned by an invested monetary gift, sure. Profits made if a gift as sold, sure (capital gains not income tax most likely.) Even inheritances aren't taxable to the beneficiary. Estate taxes come from the estate.

Here is the quote from the IRS: "The donor is generally responsible for paying the gift tax. Under special arrangements the donee may agree to pay the tax instead. Please visit with your tax professional if you are considering this type of arrangement."

The link defines a gift as "Any transfer to an individual, either directly or indirectly, where full consideration (measured in money or money's worth) is not received in return."

If the US government provides security, I doubt they will consider it a gift and tax themselves! :)
Louise said…
Ava C: That is quite interesting and causes one to wonder whether the intent of the letter was not to support Markle but rather to cause damage to the Royal Family by supporting Markle, who is at odds with the family.

After all, the letter was not written until the Family had subtly indicated its displeasure.
Jen said…
@Ava C "To all those getting up their follower numbers by slagging off Megan Markle. I prefer my Royals taking on the press and talking of strains of mental health and motherhood than, you know.... hanging out with rich rapists."

Wow...I can't even....I hope she gets some pretty negative blow back for that ridiculous statement. This is an MP? WTH is wrong with these people?
I'm a bit late to have noticed but in addition to the the MPs voicing their support - The Archbishop of Canterbury?

So in addition to celebs, MPs, we now have the head of the CoE voicing his support for MM & H. Really? With all that is going on in the UK and the world?

I think I am in a parallel universe. Nothing seems to make sense.
Jen said…
@GoodVibes Eternal I think I am in a parallel universe. Nothing seems to make sense.

Join the club, I've felt that way for a couple of years now. I couldn't believe the Archbishop had the nerve to say that they have the "right" to take a break and that they aren't "superhuman." Like they somehow work SO much, that they are deserving of a 6 week break. Does he not realize how horrible that sounds when people in the UK are working two jobs just to get by? Is HE that out of touch? I just couldn't believe it.
@Ava & @GoodVibes ... I keep thinking the same thing. This is so bizzare, all this people coming out of the woodwork in support of them. I keep thinking I missed something in this whole saga and so my understanding of it is different, why would these supposed sane, intelligent, well respected people support them.openely when all of us see through their bull shit and hypocrisy??!

In my day to day life, ive honestly never met anyone who supports or even likes Mm. Infact, I've never even heard her or her husband being discussed in any social scenario. So why is this two bit nothing, obvious gold digger envoking such protective insticts in politicians, celebrities and the Archbishop of Canterbury for God's sake??

Pe: her publishing a wedding pic with AOC a few days before his public support seemed too bizzare a coincidence. (And a coincidence it obviously wasn't)
OKay said…
RIGHT NEXT to an article about all of Markle's MP support today, I found an article about NPD. Among the interesting statements was the following:

"According to the Mayo Clinic, people with [NPD] view any and all forms of critique as personal attacks, take advantage of others to get what they want, and get overwhelmed with sadness when things don't play out in a way that suggests they're superior to others."

I had to chuckle, it's just so *accurate!*
OKay said…
Oh, and this.

"Usually, narcissistic behaviors begin in a person's teenage years and can stem from receiving misplaced yet excessive praise or criticism from a parent over an extended period of time. Such words and actions can skew the teen's view of reality."

Seems Thomas might be the root of his daughter's issues after all...just not in the way she claims!
Marie said…
@GoodVibes

What you're seeing is this trend towards celebrity culture. Doesn't surprise me that the Welby jumps in. His twitter page header is a photo of him and presumably his wife surrounded by little Indian children (or Sri Lankan?) He's the humanitarian of the Meghan Markle type, photos surrounded by poor kids from developing countries. If you look at his Twitter, it looks as if he received his diploma in the art of self-promotion from the same school Meghan attended. It's peppered with photos of himself always in the center and retweets of people quoting him. Might seem normal, until you take a look at Pope Francis's twitter page. It's just tweets that are like mini prayers or thoughts of the day (I'm agnostic, so not promoting one religious denomination over the other). I can imagine, Meghan batted her eyelashes at him, looked up with her doe eyes, giggled and clapped her hands at his jokes, touched his arm and back, and stroked his ego about how close she feels to God now because of his wonderful, amazing pastorship. For a man like him who goes on about how the CoE needs to evangelize and renew the flagging attendance, he probably felt reenergised in his mission.

(here comes sarcasm)
Also, Jesus's Sermon of the Mount as updated for the people of today by Justin Welby upon meeting Meghan Megdalene,
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are the rich funded by taxpayer dollars, for they shall maintain control of the earth until the meek inherit it.
Blessed are the the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the merciless who cut off their fathers for one mistake, for they shall only be surrounded by positive
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. And if they aren't, they can hire the best, most expensive pit-bull attorneys possible and sue the pants off the people they feel have wronged them.
Blessed are the peacemakers for they are the children of God.
Blessed are the light-shiners, for they are the children of Instagram. #blessed #TBT #nomakeupselfie #gratitude #fitspo #nofilter #cleaneating #thrivingnotsurviving #squadgoals

/endsarcasm (please don't take this as offensive for those who are Christians)

d.c. said…
Not new info, but new article articulating some sanity amidst the MP nonsense:

https://en.businesstimes.cn/articles/121147/20191031/meghan-markle-disliked-for-her-insincerity-and-hypocrisy-not-her-race-royal-watchers-say.htm
Lurking said…
@lizzie...

Gifts are generally not taxable to the recipient IF the gift giver paid the taxes. However, if the giver did not pay the taxes, then the gift may be taxable to the recipient. There is a $15,000 annual limit on gifts from one source and a lifetime limit of several million.
Madge said…
(Posting from the UK). Our MPs are, almost without exception, straight-jacketed by political correctness. They cannot open their mouths without their peers jumping on anything suspect which does not fit the standards of the liberal and/or left wing chattering class. Even our Conservative MPs maintain this habit.

Bearing that in mind, I am not surprised at all about the letter from the 72 female MPs. It's a handy way to increase their woke credentials,and garner approval from said chattering class. The same with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Though in his case, the level of hypocrisy is astounding. This is the prelate who allowed the Church of England to own a large amount of shares in a payday loan company called Wonga. The financial watchdogs finally closed Wonga down, but not before it had ruined the lives of countless poor people. He seems more concerned about the Harkles getting a six week "break" than he was about the poorest people in the UK who were borrowing money to pay rent and bills.

As for whether the Harkles will move to the USA, here's something to consider. Because Archie is close (hereditary-wise) to a direct line to the throne, until he reaches 18 he cannot be taken to another country to live permanently without the Queen's permission. This is why Diana couldn't move to the States, the Queen wouldn't let her take William and Harry and she would not go without them.
Liver Bird said…
@Madge

"Our MPs are, almost without exception, straight-jacketed by political correctness. They cannot open their mouths without their peers jumping on anything suspect which does not fit the standards of the liberal and/or left wing chattering class. Even our Conservative MPs maintain this habit."

Oh, I agree completely. Media is the same, with a few exceptions. As I said above, I'm a Labour supporter but I detest shallow virtue signalling gestures like this. And as you say, the women who 'signed' this letter did so for their own reasons, like all of Meghan's 'celeb friends'. They don't actually care about her.

Speaking of which, where are all the other 'celeb friends'? Where's Serena? Oprah? And above all, where are the Clooneys? George seemes to think of himself as some sort of expert voice on the subject of media intrusion? He couldn't shut up about his great friend Meghan last year, yet we've not heard a word from him or his wife in ages. Interesting.

What's also interesting - or maybe not, I don't really know the norms in such matters - is that the MPs' letter wasn't actually signed by any of the women. Does this suggest hastiness?

"Because Archie is close (hereditary-wise) to a direct line to the throne, until he reaches 18 he cannot be taken to another country to live permanently without the Queen's permission. This is why Diana couldn't move to the States, the Queen wouldn't let her take William and Harry and she would not go without them."

I'm not sure if this applies to great-granchildren. As for Diana, I don't think she ever expressed any real desire to go to the US, and in any case, her sons were the heir and the 3rd in line, so no way would she have been allowed to take them outside of the UK, particularly as she was divorced and Charles had them 50% of the time. It might be different if the parents of the untitled 7th in line both decided to relocate to the US together. I doubt the queen would be bothered to intervene, even if she had the right to do so.
Unknown said…
Has anybody read the Radar Online gossip claiming that HRH The Queen pulled Harry and Markle in for a dressing down in the wake of the SA pity-party documentary? Someone mentioned it in the DM comment section, but curiously, the site seems to be blocked on my phone. Any other brits having this problem? I managed to get the jist of it via Prez Hilton's site, but I'm interested if there are any details missing from the original article that I cant view?


“(The Queen)...called the couple to her private quarters immediately after the documentary aired. In a shocking showdown, she told them to ‘get a grip’ and stop claiming they’d single-handedly modernized the monarchy. She told Meghan it might be okay to be so open in hippy-dippy Hollywood, but royals keep their private feelings just that — private.


They spilled their guts like no royal since Princess Diana’s shocking ‘There were three of us in this marriage’ TV interview in 1995 about Prince Charles’ cheating with Camilla Parker Bowles. But they came across as whiners and hypocrites — and Her Majesty was outraged.


Her Majesty called their bluff! She told them that she was delighted with their decision and couldn’t wait for them to leave

She stripped them of their royal titles, their newly renovated home, Frogmore Cottage — and about $15 million in financial support! Then the queen removed a photo of the couple that had a prominent spot in her audience room in Buckingham Palace. Meghan’s royal fairy tale just exploded in her face.



Instead of apologizing and begging forgiveness, Harry and Meghan dug their heels in, insisting they wanted out of the royal fishbowl. They demanded a six-week break to chill out — and see what America has to offer them.


Her Majesty exploded! I’m told she retorted, ‘Six weeks? You can make it permanent!’ She said everyone, including herself, had bent over backwards to help Meghan adjust to royal life. And if they couldn’t cope, she’d be delighted to see them go — for good!


Meghan clearly masterminded this publicity stunt — and the queen retaliated.”


Thoughts?


Ava C said…
@Alice, Surrey James In my day to day life, ive honestly never met anyone who supports or even likes Mm.

Yes this is my experience too, talking with colleagues, listening to people on public transport and especially at the hairdressers, where women don't hold back. Moreover it cuts across class and you can see this by the fact that the comments are uniformly negative in the Telegraph, Guardian and Daily Mail, that I read every day.

Which leads me to think that these women MPs will experience a fair amount of criticism on the doorstep during this election campaign. Brexit and the state of our public services are infinitely more important obviously, but I think this will get many women at a more visceral level. These MPs spending their time defending someone like MM when 'ordinary' women can't afford childcare, can't get their children into their local schools and are struggling to look after elderly relatives due to the social care crisis. People are even dying because councils can't afford to mend the holes in the road. Oh yes, the general public will add this letter to their long list of grievances, and for women especially, it will be surprisingly high on that list.

Also, it's not just what is written in the press. Photos and film tell us a great deal. Women will have observed Meghan's manipulative body language, the discernible detachment and unfamiliarity with Archie from both of them, the lack of respect as shown by the failure to even dress and groom themselves properly for their royal duties and the way Harry is fading away in front of our eyes.

Moreover Meghan turned the wedding, birth announcement and christening into farce. For the rest of us, these are the most precious milestones in life and we would want everyone to celebrate and be happy. They are not meant to be power plays or opportunities to do a bit of merchandising and PR.

All of these things we feel in our bones. That something is deeply wrong and that it should be sorted out. We don't need the press to tell us this and we are not puppets of the press. We can see clearly enough who the puppets are this week.
Unknown said…
Damn autocorrect. Should read 'HM The Queen' not HRH The Queen'.
Liver Bird said…
Are people still quoting the 'Radar' story? Why would a dodgy American site have some sort of insight into the inner goings on of the British royals? Complete with exact details of HM's words? Come on!

And to repeat: the queen cannot 'strip' any member of her family of their titles. That would require an Act of Parliament. And it would take something a lot more serious than a tacky documentary to persuade parliament to strip the son of the future king of his dukedom.
Unknown said…
Dodgy American sites are more likely to be leaking genuine royal gossip at this stage than the British press, who have shown themselves to be effectively muzzled when it comes to reporting on the royals nowadays.
Liver Bird said…
Also, Holly Lynch has spoken about her 'private' conversation with Meghan, saying that the latter was feeling so lonely. I wonder if Meghan is going to sue her for revealing the content of a 'private' conversation?

Not to mention that the royals are supposed to stand aloof from politics. Even if Meghan wanted to thank Holly Lynch for the 'solidarity', surely a more appropriate way would be to have one of her many flunkies write a thank-you note, rather than call a sitting MP in person?
Liver Bird said…
"Dodgy American sites are more likely to be leaking genuine royal gossip at this stage than the British press, who have shown themselves to be effectively muzzled when it comes to reporting on the royals nowadays."

I can't think of any major royal story that's been broken by the American press recently, certainly not by a dodgy site like Radar.

In any case, this story is total and complete nonsense. As I've said many times, there is simply no way for the queen to 'strip' titles. It just cannot happen. This 'story' makes it sound like the queen is an employer annoyed at the behaviour of a few junior employees. That alone makes it clear to me that whoever wrote it has no clue how the royals operate.
lizzie said…
@Lurking...My understanding from the IRS site is that the giver holds the obligation to pay any gift tax (assuming, if course, the giver is subject to the US Tax Code.) It wouldn't surprise me to learn (as you've stated) if the IRS couldn't collect gift taxes due from a giver (say the person died broke, fled, filed bankruptcy), it could go after the recipient. But many posts on this thread and others have been assuming all gifts M receives are automatically taxable to her as income and that's simply untrue. I also don't believe the IRS can collect "gift tax" for items received from foreign persons who are not subject to US tax law (such as Elton John for his use of the jet.) It may be that those gifts need to be reported by M on Form 3520. According to the IRS link below, "Form 3520 is an information return, not a tax return, because foreign gifts are not subject to income tax.  However, there are significant penalties for failure to file Form 3520 when it is required." I guess this is a place MM could be tripped up.
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/gifts-from-foreign-person

So far as the lifetime limits go---those apply to the giver, not the recipient. And you are correct the limit is high. According the the link below, "In 2018, a taxpayer does not pay gift tax until they have given away over $11.2 million in their lifetime ($5.49 million in 2017)." Many gifts are excluded from the lifetime calculation as well. And the calculation applied only to gifts that exceeded the annual limit of $15K per person.
https://blog.taxact.com/gift-tax-do-i-have-to-pay-gift-tax-when-someone-gives-me-money/
Hikari said…
This bit of brilliance is compliments of Marie, and no offense taken because it's just so on point. "Meghandalene" is getting all sorts of praise in the most unlikely places.

**********

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are the rich funded by taxpayer dollars, for they shall maintain control of the earth until the meek inherit it.
Blessed are the the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the merciless who cut off their fathers for one mistake, for they shall only be surrounded by positive
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. And if they aren't, they can hire the best, most expensive pit-bull attorneys possible and sue the pants off the people they feel have wronged them.
Blessed are the peacemakers for they are the children of God.
Blessed are the light-shiners, for they are the children of Instagram. #blessed #TBT #nomakeupselfie #gratitude #fitspo #nofilter #cleaneating #thrivingnotsurviving #squadgoals

/endsarcasm (please don't take this as offensive for those who are Christians)

*************

Since the beginning of mankind (which is way too far back in history for Millennials like #theWokeWhingers to care about . . Meg and Harry's frames of reference seem to begin circa 1997--the death of Diana and also the heyday of 'Friends' and Meg's style aesthetic . . there have been two institutional forces in opposition to one another, even when they claim to be working together to serve the people: 'Kings' and 'The Church'. Before Harry's great-great ancestor Henry VIII forcibly broke with Rome so that he could marry his mistress, it was accepted that the Pope was the last word for what was right and proper conduct for the rulers of 'Christian' countries under his banner. Henry turned that on its head. There have been a lot of corrupt Popes, though, too, of course. Corruption from within the Church and at all ranks of the clergy is what prompted my spiritual forebear Martin Luther to break with Rome. Jane Austen (the daughter of a parson) was brutal in skewering the clergy class as materialistic and clueless buffoons sycophantic to the nobility to whom they owed their 'livings'. So when I read this drivel in support of the grifting American charlatan duchess from the leading clergyman in all of the United Kingdom, I am reminded strenuously of 'Mr. Collins', the clerical clown who'd sold his soul for favors from his patroness, "Lady Catherine de Burgh."

Mr. Collins is a comedic creation for the ages, but there is zero that's funny about a man of God (so-called) with the highest calling in the land, and a spiritual advisor to the sovereign and the crown family coming out so far up the backside of a selfish and deceitful woman who in my (non-professional) opinion has no soul.

Shame on you, Archbishop Welby. Shame. Perhaps we can't expect any better from a bunch of self-appointed #woke 'feminist' hypocrites in Parliament--watch, U.S. Congresswomen will shortly follow suit, no doubt--but I expected better of *you*. My disappointment is off the charts.
Glow W said…
+1 Liver Bird. The story is ridiculous with direct quotes from HM, lol as if.
Hikari said…
P.S. I guess this means that we are supposed to believe that you baptized Archie, too, after you teleported yourself from York on the very same day you were chairing an evangelical synod?

Whatever. Thomas a Becket is rolling in his grave. Justin Welby is not worthy of the office he holds. He should be above all of this. If he felt compelled to speak, I'd say condemnation of the Sussexes' destructive and blatantly non-Christian behavior would be more appropriate. If the likes of the Archbishop of Canterbury is praising the Markle, can we doubt that we are in the end of days?
Glow W said…
@Hikari the RF has a helicopter you know. I guess in your mind the entire synod is complicit since no one has said anything about it?

Once again, it goes to the idea that MM is *the most powerful woman in the world*... holding the RF hostage and silencing an entire Synod of religious people.
Hikari said…
Tatty,

That is the head scratcher, innit.

However, to conclude that whatever Meg says happened *must* have happened because no one has spoken out to say otherwise is erroneous logic. Nobody from the queen on down is speaking the truth about Meghan and that's why this situation is so profoundly frustrating.

Of course there are helicopters. Perhaps if we could peruse the synod agenda for that day the large hole created by the *host*'s absence may be accounted for. I'm just wondering why the Archbishop would go to such lengths to upend his schedule for a long-standing engagement to travel at no small inconvenience to baptize a child in secret when the Queen herself declined to attend?

HM has attended all the other christenings except for Louis's when she was demonstrably ill. If the Archbishop of Canterbury can fly from York to Windsor for the day, one supposes that the Queen could have arranged to come to the christening from Balmoral in lieu of the 'tea party' she was hosting. HM sent a clear message by her non-attendance that Meg and Harry's baby was not a sovereign priority for her. I doubt she would have compelled the Archbishop to be there when she was not. The whole thing is very reeky.
CatEyes said…
I know (and agree) that it is suggested that Meghan has (almost wrote 'suffer' lol) Narcissistic Personality Disorder but a case could be made she has BiPolar Disorder; hence the getting up at 5am writing demands to staff, her manic actions/looks, her alleged depressive allegations. What do you think Nutters?
Lurking said…
@CatEyes... I have thought the same. Could be both NPD and BiPolar though.

HappyDays said…
CatEyes said...
I know (and agree) that it is suggested that Meghan has (almost wrote 'suffer' lol) Narcissistic Personality Disorder but a case could be made she has BiPolar Disorder; hence the getting up at 5am writing demands to staff, her manic actions/looks, her alleged depressive allegations. What do you think Nutters?

Hi CatEyes. You are right about NPD. Meghan most likely has a profound case of NPD, and it’s certainly possible there are overtones of Borderline Personality Disorder mixed in. She checks off all the boxes for NPD without question. I’d bet a year of my income she’s a profound narc who found a vulnerable and not-so-bright prince who was getting desperate for a wife and family like William’s.

Meghan presented herself as the reincarnation of Diana, Love bombed him, likely mirrored his behavior, and banged his brains out until she was pregnant, or the IVF took, or the surrogate was preggers. Take you pick of those last three.

I’d make a huge wager in favor of NPD if the UK betting houses ever had that bet, but even if the RF had her diagnosed, it might not come to light until a divorce, which would make the McCartney-Mills divorce look like a Wednesday night prayer meeting. In a divorce, narcissists go nuclear and have a scorched earth approach, but what Meghan will not admit is that the RF has bigger nukes and an arsenal of flame-throwing lawyers on hand.
Hikari said…
@CatEyes,

>>>I know (and agree) that it is suggested that Meghan has (almost wrote 'suffer' lol) Narcissistic Personality Disorder but a case could be made she has BiPolar Disorder; hence the getting up at 5am writing demands to staff, her manic actions/looks, her alleged depressive allegations. What do you think Nutters?<<<

It's my understanding that a lot of psychiatric conditions exist in multiples and not singly. So a person could have NPD and BPD or bipolarity or ADD/HD concurrently.

Meg's extremely erratic presentation--veering wildly between pulled-together and unkempt or manic/depressed could be bipolarity--which is a condition which an awful lot of 'creatives' suffer from, particularly actresses who have been working and hypersexualized since a young age. Most of not all of the performers who came up through the Disney stable are now as adult women struggling with mental health/substance abuse issues and many have also alleged being victims of sexual abuse when they were young teens. (Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera; Demi Lovato; Amanda Bynes, et. al . .the numbers are really stunning. Of course a lot of what makes a young person an attractive and engaging performer--energy, vitality, love for the spotlight, thirst for performing--can, when tilted to the dark side, lead to mental problems.

Meg was not in this cohort as a young girl, but I'd say she sought out this kind of world from young adulthood on. I suspect that she was probably sexualized young, if not outright abuse, given the circles her parents ran in, in the lower-rent rungs of the Hollywood cesspool. Meg seems to have learned early, as a teen, how much she could manipulate men with her sexuality, and early sexual abuse is a classic trigger for this kind of Lolita/nympho complex and calculating approach to sexuality which she's got.

She may have other underlying mental conditions besides being a Narc, but it seems to me that she was a lot more functional/less obviously compromised when she was a hustling starlet vs. now. This public unraveling over the last year or so could be long dormant psychiatric conditions surfacing with the increased scrutiny she's under in her current position. But people that knew her from the earliest Suits days have said that she's always been a volatile and entitlist B*tch to anyone she deemed beneath her in some way or not useful.

I do suspect both Rachel and Harry of longstanding and regular use of controlled substances. That wreaks havoc with brain chemistry, energy and mood. If she's manic, it's very possible that she's coked up.
Hikari said…
Happy Days and all,

In the event of a Sussex divorce, I think all the dirty little secrets around Archie are going to come out. After Diana & Charles divorced, she stayed on in KP, though the Royal Family was justifiably nervous about what was going to happen if she continued to see Dodi Fayed and what it would mean for the mother of the future King to be remarried to a Muslim. But even though Dodi had houses all over the world, he was British. His family empire was UK-based. Diana likely would not have left Britain permanently. If Meg really wants to make a complete break with life in Britain, Archie is going to be an inevitable discussion point, and any other spawn she may try to foist off on us before then. She's really backed herself into a corner with hiding the surrogacy and parading her sham belly for all to see for all those months. Were she to bugger off to L.A. sans her tot and be seen to be 'forced to abandon her child', I smell another doozy of a victim narrative coming.

It is on account of this innocent baby that I hate her. I have hated very few people in my life. Strong dislike and/or moral disagreement usually suffices except for world dictators and abusers of children and animals. Nothing smells right about the Archie situation and, of what little we have seen of the interactions of the Suxxits with the baby, it looks like a form of child abuse to me. All in the service of Meg's profoundly self-centered narrative.

All the rest of it: the overspending, the lying about her celebrity friends, the blatant disregard for the Queen and protocol, the coming between William and Harry--these things are irritating and sad--but Archie feels like a human tragedy in the making. This is a child's life and well-being at stake here--all so Megs can merch baby clothing and pass herself off as the Mother of the Year? Beyond disgusting.
Button said…
I am with Hikari on this one regarding baby Archie. When they paraded him in SA the wee boy seemed bewildered at times. Perhaps I misread the situation but there was most assuredly a lack of motherly love/affection/joy on display. I have 2 children, grown up now, but it seems like yesterday that they were blowing raspberries and whatnot. The little tyke has not been seen in the UK at all, unless of course you count the initial ' presentation, christening, and the bloody awful polo match appearance. Where is he going to fit in if they up sticks and move? How are these horrible people going to raise a baby when all they want to do is party and attend film screenings, or go off on holiday constantly? Hopefully ' Archie ' is with his real besotted Mum and is safe and secure.
SwampWoman said…
Agree 1,000% with Hikari and Button. I hate to see an infant entrusted to people that are not capable of caring for a dog, yet it happens all the time.
Beachgal58 said…
speaking from personal experience, I live in an area of Southern California where we have experienced three major fires in the past several years. One of these fires caused a major mudslide that left 28 people dead. When fires happen and your evacuated, its each person for themselves. Doesn’t matter how famous you are, and plenty of famous people in my town were being vacated. You are in your car, bumper to bumper just hoping to make it out in time. There would be no special treatment for Harry or Meghan. Guaranteed. Quite honestly if they do move to Southern California, they would now be small fish in a very large pond of celebrities. They truly don’t have anything going for them other then Harry is part of the Rojas Family. Meghan is a actress most people had never heard of prior to her engagement. I don’t think they would get the red carpet treatment she thinks she deserve.
CatEyes said…
@Hikari I don't appreciate you mentioning Martin Luther as rebelling against corrupt clergy in the Church etc...I thought Nutty warned us against talking politics and I would say even more so we should be circumspect in dissing others religions. But I could go on and on for pages about the corruptness of Protestanism starting with Martin Luther who disliked some of the books of the bible and just threw them out. Also, all the Monastery lands and Catholic Churches that were stolen by the English Monarchs and Protestant efforts. So please refrain from insulting my Church.
CatEyes said…
Maybe I was a little harsh and Im sorry. Just 'got my dander up'. I should not have responded in kind. Sorry.
Lurking said…
@LiverBird...

Prince Charles-Edward, Duke of Albany 1884-1954 (later reigning Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) along with Prince Ernest-Augustus II, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale 1845-1923 were deprived their Peerage titles in 1917 for bearing arms against the United Kingdom in World War I under the Titles Deprivation Act 1917.

The Queen could issue letters patent to revoke the title. She did so upon Diane's and Fergie's divorces. They were later styled Diana, Princes of Wales and Sarah, Duchess of York. Their previous titles were Diana, The Prince of Wales and Sarah, The Duchess of York. Both lost their HRH designation and the The. What the Queen grants, she can also revoke.

And MM is NOT a princess. Foreign nationals, that is someone who is not a British subject, cannot be a princess.
Hikari said…
CatEyes,

No offense to any practicing Catholics here, or any religious group. My comment was in the context of an historical situation which seems to be repeating itself as we look on. It's distasteful enough that members of Parliament are breaching the long-held divide of neutrality between the monarchy and politics; it is wildly inappropriate for the Archbishop of Canterbury seemingly trying to curry favor with the popular media by jumping on the Meghan train. Meg is a pop culture figure who is both polarizing and transitory. Rev. Welby has been entrusted with the stewardship of a 1000+ year old sacred institution. It's so disappointing that he seems to be prioritizing trending on Twitter and gaining 'Likes' from Meg's ersatz friends. He ought to be praying with the Queen over the state of her realm and offering her comfort, not throwing more petrol on the fire. I am sure that the Queen never approved or urged him to make such a public defense of Rachel. He's going his own way, independent of the monarch, which the Archbishop of Canterbury should be--answerable only to God--and yet, this is nothing like Thomas Becket contending with *his* monarch over sinful behavior. The media being 'mean' to Markle . . what a hill to die on. But this is a man who has professed that he doesn't even believe in God. Elizabeth Regina is herself a very devout woman; wonder what she makes of this?

I feel sad for Elizabeth; over 70 years of impeccable devotion to duty, she has really given the job and her people all over the world her all. The situation within her own house and her country is now, I fear, worse than the Suez crisis; worse than Charles and Diana and Annis Horribilus 1992. In the twilight of her reign, things have really fallen apart, and Meghan Markle and her extraordinary, cheesy zeitgeist are hastening that process.

Since you are a believer, I'm sure you are familiar with the verse, "All men have fallen short of the glory of God." That goes for you, me, church leaders, kings, queens, princes, presidents, the lot. Martin Luther was a demonstrable anti-Semite. Nobody is perfect. What I dislike so about Meghan is that she's so transparent in her badness; she doesn't even make the slightest effort to be a good person.
CatEyes said…
@Hikari You don't have to point out I sin...I remind myself almost every day of that. Hence why I pray and try to live a holy life at 67. However. at least I can take comfort I am not a Meghan (I thank the Good Lord for that).

I was aghast that the Archbishop of Canterbury and the female MP's had come out in support for Meghan. As an American, I am ashamed of how she has acted in the BRF and is the most ungrateful awful excuse of a woman. I feel bad for Archie considering his parents are saying such worrisome things. I wonder if the Queen, Charles or William is concerned about Archie's welfare. If my sister/brother said and acted so distraught I would physically go and see how the child was. What could be going on behind the scenes?

I am astounded that the female MP's wrote that letter. I agree with the points you Nutters here comment on the situation. I find it almost against National Interest to use colonialism in their disdain. Meghan is actually, in my opinion, urinating on the goodwill, gifts, and generosity the UK public and the Queen has given her. I say strip her of grace and favor, and titles. Cut off her funds and ignore her henceforth.
CatEyes said…
@ Lurking "And MM is NOT a princess."

Well, she has identified herself as a Princess of the United Kingdom. I think it was on Archie's certificate of birth. I would like Nutters to tell me if it is so. She sure doesn't act like a Princess tho!

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Recently there was (yet another) post somewhere out in the world about how they will soon divorce.  And my first thought was: Haven't I heard this before?  which moved quickly to: how many times have I heard this (through the years)? There were a number of questions raised which ... I don't know.  I'm not a lawyer.  One of the points which has been raised is that KC would somehow be shelling out beaucoup money to get her to go "away".  That he has all this money stashed away and can pull it out at a moment's notice.  But does he? He inherited a lot of "stuff" from his mother but ... isn't it a lot of tangible stuff like properties? and with that staff to maintain it and insurance.  Inside said properties is art, antique furniture and other "old stuff" which may be valuable" but ... that kind of thing is subject to the whims and bank accounts of the rarified people who may be interested in it (which is not most of us in terms of bei

A Quiet Interlude

 Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event?   Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th?  Oscar's - March 10th?   In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US.  The IRS just never goes away.  Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on).  There's always another one.  Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California.   That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales.   Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere.  But.  The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.  

Christmas is Coming

 The recent post which does mention that the information is speculative and the response got me thinking. It was the one about having them be present at Christmas but must produce the kids. Interesting thought, isn't it? Would they show?  What would we see?  Would there now be photos from the rota?   We often hear of just some rando meeting of rando strangers.  It's odd, isn't it that random strangers just happen to recognize her/them and they have a whole conversation.  Most recently it was from some stranger who raved in some video (link not supplied in the article) that they met and talked and listened to HW talk about her daughter.  There was the requisite comment about HW of how she is/was so kind).  If people are kind, does the world need strangers to tell us (are we that kind of stupid?) or can we come to that conclusion by seeing their kindness in action?  Service. They seem to always be talking about their kids, parenthood and yet, they never seem to have the kids