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Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

Earlier this year, in response to a blind item on Crazy Days and Nights, I predicted that Duchess Meghan would be out of the Royal Family by the end of the year. This prediction was received with a great deal of mockery - you're delusional! you're a racist!, etc.

Now it is December 31. Was I correct? It's hard to tell.

The visit to California

Meghan is clearly not in the UK at writing, although it is difficult to puzzle out where she is and who she is with. Originally, the "six week break", now in its seventh week and counting, was supposed to give Meg and Harry a chance to relax and reconnect with family in the US.

"Family in the US" would presumably be Meg's mother in California, since she has cut off everyone else.

But there's no evidence that Doria ever spent time with the Sussexes during the period, or that the Sussexes were in California at all.

The Canada stay

Several items have been leaked suggesting that the Sussexes are staying at a private compound near Vancouver, Canada.

Locals supposedly saw Harry hiking nearby; a local restaurant claimed to have denied the Sussexes a reservation because their security team would have been too disruptive. In fact, one account suggested that the compound had been putting up additional security fencing as early as December 19, roughly two weeks ago.

Here's the thing: do Meg and Harry really need that much security, particularly since nobody supposedly knew where they were?

When Boris Johnson and his latest squeeze can fly economy class on their Christmas holidays, and wealthy megacelebrities like Paul McCartney can stand in line with his wife to buy tickets to a movie (something a friend of mine experienced; Paul turned down offers to let him skip ahead), how much security do the sixth and perhaps the seventh in line to the throne really need?

One of the best security tactics is surprise; if no one knows Duchess Kate is going to be in a particular Waitrose at a particular time, she can pop in with a single bodyguard and do her shopping, as long as she doesn't dilly-dally.

It's hard to believe that Meg and Harry in an unexpected location would need extensive security planning, although they might think they do. As Enty often says, the more insecure and status-obsessed the celebrity, the bigger the entourage.

Personally, I'm not entirely convinced they were ever in Canada. The evidence is all second-hand, and there have been no smartphone photos from ordinary polite Canadians (or boorish tourists.)

Unconfirmed rumors

Ann, a regular poster on CDAN, suggested the other day that Harry was in a combined rehab/mental health facility in the UK. Meg was in North America by herself, she said.

To quote Ann: I'm hearing the Harkle divorce is in process. Markle got herself thrown out of the BRF in record time. Harry's in inpatient treatment in England. The BRF have custody of Archie. The DNA test didn't lie. Unfortunately Markle did and her settlement is going to be considerably much less since Archie isn't Harry's biological son. The whole sad tale should be over sometime in the second quarter of 2020.

(The inpatient treatment was) originally for treating his depression but they discovered he had developed some addiction issues trying to medicate his depression. I'm glad he's getting some help.

This is the very definition of an unconfirmed rumor, but it fits the British Royal Family's proven pattern of never leaving one of its own behind on the battlefield. (See: Prince Andrew.)

It would also explain the ludicrous photoshopped Christmas card, and the lack of other Sussex material during November and December.

And the timing - the second quarter of 2020 - would allow the BRF to say that the marriage lasted for two full years, making the extravagant Sussex wedding look slightly less silly.

It may just be a guess, but it's an interesting guess.

No respect from the press

Finally, the lack of respect the British press is showing for the Harkles is notable. An article in the Telegraph, often nicknamed "The Palacegraph" because it is used as an outlet for the Royal family and its courtiers, said earlier this week 

While for a time it seemed that the idea of Harry and Meghan joining forces with William and Kate as the “fab four” was one of the most positive royal PR stories of the last ten years, we start the new decade with the two couples running two separate courts, the Cambridges’ conventionally Royal, the Sussexes’ increasingly like a Hollywood entourage. 

The way they have conducted themselves since their marriage, and the birth of their son earlier this year, has caused considerable consternation among courtiers. The decision to absent themselves from some family gatherings and the secrecy that surrounded their son’s christening, have gone down badly among sticklers for protocol. 

The Sussexes have attracted public criticism given they receive money from the Sovereign Grant and are, as such, effectively public servants. Some courtiers fully expect the Duchess to want to go to live in California, not least because she apparently complains about the weather and other aspects of life in Britain; and it is assumed that if she went, her husband and child would go with her.


Emphasis mine. Anyway, that doesn't sound like a Royal Family that is looking to make nice or include the Duchess in its activities in the future, or one that is encouraging the press to show her respect.

Meghan's lawsuit against the Mail on Sunday is still in progress - suggesting that she won't get the generous settlement she was hoping for - and its sister publication the Daily Mail is being hard on Meghan as well. 

It openly suggested that the Sussex Christmas card was a fake, and then mocked her branding exercise, in which Sussex Royal applied for copyright on "more than 100 items, from teaching materials and emotional support groups to clothing and even newspapers."  

The DM didn't seem too worried about the possible competition from Meg. 

At any rate, the UK newspapers that play a game of be-nice-so-you-can-get-access with the Royal Family now seem to understand that they are no longer required to be nice to Meghan. 

We will punish your family

In an earlier blog post, I mentioned that a harsh story in the New York Post about the high administrative costs of the Royals' charities ("Why Americans are wasting their money donating to British Royal charities") was probably retaliation for Prince Harry's lawsuit against its sister paper The Sun. 

Murdoch and his team were saying: get Harry to drop the lawsuit, or we will go after the rest of the Royal Family. 

The Mail seems to be playing the same game. It ran an extremely unflattering story about the Queen this week, suggesting that she encouraged the UK government not to close an immigration loophole since it might affect her access to horse groomers

Today there was another unflattering story about how the Queen wants to build a massive storehouse for her art collection in Windsor, but that the local council was opposed because of the risk of flooding. 

Both stories made the monarch look arrogant and self-serving, and both could have easily been sent to the circular file in a time when relations between the Royals and the media were more friendly.

The Mail would like to see the lawsuit targeting its organization dropped as well.

Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

To return to the initial question: is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?  

The indications are strong that she has not only burned off any goodwill she may have had with the British public, but that the chaos she has created is (along with the Andrew scandal) damaging the popularity of the entire Royal Family.

I think her days are numbered. I wonder if she will ever return to Britain at all. 









Comments

Sandie said…
Hikari, mid-September is winter in South Africa. 80 degrees F is about 26.67 degrees C, which would not be unusual for a warm winter's day (especially as Cape Town is a coastal city and the sea moderates the temperature), but I think they arrived in the morning, when it would be cooler. I also think she was trying to recreate a Diana moment.
Sandie said…
The high/low temperature for Cape Town in September is 21/13 degrees Celsius. At 21 degrees C, I am covering up because it is chilly, but I am a child of the sun!
Unknown said…
@Brown-Eyed Thank you! I send my best wishes for your wellness, joy, and peace. Not my brother but my great-Aunt who is fighting hard.
lizzie said…
@Sandie,

You could be right that MM left her dog Bogart with Corey. But she adopted the dog in LA because "Ellen told her to." I'm not sure she was even dating Corey then. https://www.besthealthmag.ca/best-you/wellness/how-ellen-degeneres-convinced-meghan-markle-to-adopt-a-dog-and-more-from-our-may-cover-star/

The beagle (Guy) she adopted as a companion for Bogart through a shelter in Kentucky and he was driven to Canada.
abbyh said…

CookieShark - My goodness. I knew she spent a lot but the real numbers hadn't registered. That is $1392.49 a day. I don't spend $1400 annually. And, as you mentioned, she isn't thriving.

Hikari - is there some room on the ledge? You make an interesting case for a boy and girl.

I think she would have been happy with a girl (better merching options and a longer range of it), sex of the child no longer mattered to the succession but ... but a baby girl would be a greater long term threat if you think of life as filled with a limited amount of positive publicity, photos, good things to go around (even within the BRF). If you think like that, even your own child would be competition.
HappyDays said…
Can anybody answer this? Regarding the two dogs with Harry and Meghan: Doesn’t the UK have fairly stringent rules about bringing dogs into the country, such as the dog has to be placed into a lengthy quarantine when entering the country? Is it easy to take your dogs in and out of the the UK and not have to place them into quarantine when you bring them back from a several weeks visit to another continent and possibly more than one country on that continent?
Unknown said…
re: A&H photo having the Artistic Touch

In addition to what I was saying about Archie’s body and face position screaming professional photographer to me, the background does too. I always assumed the photo was taken on a boat or ferry. The antenna/tower is almost unnoticeable and the photographer clearly wanted to avoid man-made objects in the shot like the rail or dock they would be standing on or near. Someone looking at that pic would see themes of: Father, Son, Man, and Mother Nature.

My guess is the inclusion of the North Saanich antenna/tower (if it truly is it) was shoehorned in per H&M’s team against the photographer’s wishes to tip off their location.

re: multiple Archie babies

LOL, Hikari :) I am in agreement with you about all the iterations of Archie looking so disparate. I was struck that way with all the photos and especially these last two photos. LOL, I can never forget Archie’s footsies in an un-human position.

I just can’t go there with you. LOL, maybe I don’t have the courage. Some of us here are considered out-there because we believe in surrogacy and that the presented birth certificate is dubious. In those scenarios, we are dealing with professionals whose lives depend on keeping such a lapse a total secret. Bureaucracies have systems of plausible deniability baked right in.

Many babies standing-in for Archie requires lots of moving parts and too many lay-men. I just can’t fathom them achieving that without plenty of loose lips or being caught red-handed. Such a scenario is way too chaotic to exist in my head.

I do admire you Hikari for getting on the ledge. You have more courage than I have. That’s the fun and beauty of gossip: speculation and lots and lots of IMAGINATION. All the greatest inventions of life happened that way. I think some people forget that or don’t understand it.
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Anonymous said…
Also, probably obvious, but by shorter days, I was referring to daylight hours. For ex, here, our sunrise/sunset was 7:59 and 4:30. Compare to Miami it was 7:08 and 5:35. I guess the consolation is that the sun isn't out anyway, but still lol... (timeanddate.com has times if you're curious).

My point with this, besides avoiding confusion, is that it's one more reason why I can't imagine Rach wanting to be in Canada. If she complained about GB, this is about the same.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Brown Eyed - there is a therapy for cancer which is revolutionary. Jimmy Carter got complete remission from his cancer after he said goodbye to the world because his cancer had spread to his entire body. It's immune therapy, where they train your own immune system to target your tumours and destroy them. It's extremely expensive and I believe it was developed in Israel. As far as I know, it has an extremely good success rate on many types of cancers and at various stages of the disease (to simplify, because cancer is not just one disease).
Unknown said…
@Elle I think Meg has been shading British temperatures when it’s British temperaments she hates. I think all that word salad she tosses around has affected her spelling.
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Girl with a Hat said…
@Hikari and others suspicious of the baby, watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-p_e3nKow

Ashlee does an overlay of Meghan's baby picture onto the latest photo of Archie, and they're identical. Ashlee is also skeptical about the baby.

YankeeDoodle said…
Once upon a time, there was a Jewish boy, born a “Cockney” in London., named Archibald Leach. He began his illustrious career as a circus performer, but Archibald - never called Archie - decided he had a better life to live, and set his sights on the New World. He invented Cary Grant, and became the epitome of a suave, satirical gentleman. When asked what it was like to be Cary Grant, this kind, self-effacing man would say “I would like to be Cary Grant.” Cary Grant never forgot he was a poor Jewish boy, and he worked his way up in Hollywood, never losing his self awareness, and always laughed that he played patrician English men and American men in his very “Archibald Cockney-Jewish” accent.

Cary Grant never forgot where he came from, who helped him, and what he wanted in life. One of his wives, Doris Duke, said Cary was the only ex-husband who asked for nothing at divorce. She said he was a true gentleman, and called himself a nothing but a boy named Archibald.

I bring up Cary Grant as an example of what to is to be in a world that was non-forgiving, anti-Semitic; where the poor starved to death, and were never educated or given medical care. MM and ‘arry make me sick, in which every thing they do is a lie, fake or rude. They could not even call their son Archibald, but Archie. Archie, to Americans, is the bigot on t.v. What a slap in the face to the British to have not an Archibald Leach, but a who knows what Archie, a baby played for his oarents jokes.
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I looked at the video and I just don't understand why people keep saying he is wearing pants that have different leg colours. One is in shadow and there is a blue/yellow imbalance likely to accentuate the colour of the water. Therefore the leg in the shadow is blue.
I also think that the "overlay" is not shown very well so it is hard to see what she is getting at specifically. I would assume that any baby coming from MM's ova would have her traits such as the unusual eyes. That previous comment of mine was removed as it said that I couldn't find the video.
Anonymous said…
Putting on my tin hat, I agree with nutty and Ashleigh that there are multiple babies and that in some cases they've photoshopped Ms. Markle's baby pictures on to what are REAL children. It just doesn't not make SENSE that a child is wearing a legging on one leg and a denim trouser on the other leg. That is insane. So I feel that this is yet another example of Ms. Markle lying and trying to generate as much publicity as possible going into the fight of her life: being exorcised (I do not use this word lightly) from the BRF.

Who knows if this is the "real" Harry. I don't particularly care, but if they can photoshop a baby, they can photoshop a picture of Harry. NOW, FIRMLY squishing that tin hat on so it doesn't fall off, what if the 8th grandchild HM was referring to is not of Harry or Meghan's issue. There have been rumors that Andrew has had an illegitimate child that he refuses to acknowledge, and what if Harry has an illegitimate child he refuses to acknowledge. Again these are persistent rumors, but given the sexual history of both men (both with a passion for hookers), it makes a whole lot of sense given that HM didn't mention any names.

I realize this is bordering on true crazy cakes, but this woman is capable of anything. Again, I have NEVER believed that she had a baby, but was willing to go along with a surrogacy pregnancy. But now I don't think there is a real child. They are renting kids. These children never seem to focus on either Harry or Meghan. EVER. When you have a kid, they are constantly looking at you to make sure you are there. Even infants do this. This outlandish theory also makes sense about the moribund child they offered for the video near the stables, the absence of any official birth announcement, no doctors involved, the mystery about where in the hell did she have this child? In the stables? The constantly changing (or not changing at ALL!) faces of all these babies, and finally that doll at the rugby match. That child did not move for 45 minutes. She didn't feed it. She didn't put a hat on it. She just waltzed around clutching that thing in a blanket. It stayed in the same position in that blanket the entire time she was there. So yeah, my tin hat is ON!
Rut said…
Unknown: There is an instagrampost from Corey, with a photo of Meghan in bed with one of the dogs. Its morning and she just woke up. The date is just before she met Harry. I dont remember if I saw it on "princegarryandme" or if it was on "charlatanduchess"
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Unknown said…
‪Glowworm here: this is for Hikari...here’s a video from a good friend of mine...JulesVerne on Twitter. It’s an Archie compilation of his images but unfortunately it doesn’t include the Canada pic ...I see something weird about the shape of the ears...eyes look the same to me...turn your sound down or off, it’s annoying.‬
‪ https://twitter.com/julesverne12345/status/1212581879645380609/video/1‬

One other thing, no way do I believe the ‘selfie stick’ scenario was organic. Total PR set-up. Why wasn’t Archie along and mentioned?
🐛
P.S. can someone please do a ‘wellness check’ on our Hikari?
Rut said…
Trudy: Meghan Markle and Harry brought Archie to SouthAfrica. They showed him to the world. Archie was sitting in front of Desmond Tutu and his wife. That was a real baby.
That baby looks exactly like a Markle and prince Harry.
KitKatKisses said…
I'm now 100% convinced the photo of Harry and child was digitally created. Here's why:

Do a google image search of people with mountains in the background. You'll notice that the people are smaller than the mountains even in photos, although not as small as they actually are in real life because the photo distorts the height scale with the person in the foreground and the mountain in the background.

Now look again at Harry and child. They are BIGGER than the mountains. They are taller than the mountains. That is not how they would appear in real life. In rea life, they are still smaller than the mountains. The only way I can imagine that they would look taller is if they are on top of something taller than the mountains in the background, like on another mountain top. And if they were on another mountain top, it is highly unlikely that there would be a large body of water right there, unless it is a crater lake. I don't think Vancouver has any crater lakes. I hope this makes sense.

The whole proportion of Harry to the mountains in the background is unrealistic. This thing is as fake as MM's hair.

Unknown said…
Kit Kat said:

"fake as MM's hair"

oh my gawd, dying, dying dying.
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Unknown said…
I want to know how this woman is able to get people on board with all of her shenanigans. Are any of you familiar with a man named Gary Janeti? He has an instagram account where he makes fun of the British Royal Family. and up until about two months ago, he was posting hilariously funny posts about meghan. and then all of a sudden, they stopped. now he rarely posts about meghan, and when he does, its kissing her butt. many of his followers have noticed this and have asked him about it, but he just blocks them. wondering if Sunshine Sachs made some threats. or if SS paid him off to stop posting about her. the posts were so damn funny. go check out his account if you're on instagram.. but you'll have to go back about two months to find the markle posts. but of course he still picks on the cambridges.

and you bet markle reads here. in fact, id be willing to bet that some of you have actually interacted with her on here at some point. its been rumored that she has youtube, instagram and twitter accounts secretly to defend herself. haha, i can so see her sitting at night on her laptop, typing away to the "haters" as her wig dries next to her.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: it just occurred to me, Hikari, that you might think I was serious! No way, love! Just making a joke and riffing off what you were saying about yourself! 🐛xo
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Happy New Year and the warmest wishes to all to have a wonderful year ahead.

I've been catching up on holiday postings, so much to read.

I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts and especially ones that think outside of the proverbial box. There are more than enough places that tell the "official" version and most of us here know there is something seriously Off about this whole Sussex Saga.I look forward to reading even more as the PR blitz is starting up again.
Rut said…
Trudy: Yes, I understand that is your opinion. I just feel embarrassed if people think "we who dont like Meghan Markle" are crazy people. Maybe its enough to focus on Meghans personality.
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lizzie said…
@HappyDays,

The UK did away with routine quarantine for dogs years ago, 2011, I believe.

The rules are pretty simple for dogs coming from most "first world" countries. Vaccination for rabies, microchip, tapeworm check, pet passport/vet certificate.

https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad
Unknown said…
wait, im confused. why would his book merching have anything to do with him posting about Markle? i do know he was selling a book, but was he afraid the meghan bashing would harm sales? he's lost a lot of followers since he's stopped the meghan stuff
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Unknown said…
instagram is currently full of meghan fan accounts posting that picture of that couple who supposedly had their picture taken by meghan. zero evidence that the picture was taken by her. how do people fall for this stuff?
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none said…
Another day another Markle hoax. Why is the BRF allowing this to continue? What kind of leverage does she have over them or are they allowing her to destroy herself?

A third explanation is the BRF is now piloting the out-of-control Harkel plane to a gentle landing for the world to witness. MM is in the US, an agreement has been made, it's all about the optics and saving the BRF and Harry.
Maggie said…
@ Yankee Doodle - just for clarification on Cary Grant:
Once upon a time, there was a Jewish boy, born a “Cockney” in London named Archibald Leach
No, he was born in Horfield in Bristol, absolutely not a Cockney and there was some debate about his Jewish heritage.

I bring up Cary Grant as an example of what to is to be in a world that was non-forgiving, anti-Semitic; where the poor starved to death, and were never educated or given medical care
Where do you get your evidence that England was anti-semitic? Or that people starved to death, weren't educated or given medical care? None of this is true of early 20th century Britain. What do you mean by non-forgiving?

Totally O/T but I really couldn't let such a mischaracterisation of my country pass unchallenged.
In detecting family likeness, we see what we expect to see.

I have aspects of both parents in my face but dad's relatives saw only his likeness there while mum's kin thought I was the dead spit of her.

In May, a cousin on my mother's side died convinced she didn't belong to our family, thinking she'd been brought home from the maternity ward by the wrong mother, an inexplicable belief we thought. A couple of years ago, however, I saw a photo of her as a toddler and thought she looked mixed race but assumed the look was somehow from her father's side, couldn't possibly be from us, none of us seemed African.

In October, I was looking at a photo of my mother and her sisters from 1912 and wondered if perhaps my aunt, my cousin's mother, wasn't quite as obviously European as her sisters, more a case of facial bone structure. Or was I imagining it?

The very next day, a friend who's spent time in the US South took one look at the photo, pointed to my aunt, aged about 5, and asked `Who's this? Is she Creole? Are they French?'

My mouth dropped open. `No, but you're right on both counts! They're ordinary Londoners but with Huguenot ancestry and I've just realised we must have a black ancestor in the 18th century.'

Our grandfather's family goes back centuries in London but nobody now knows what he looked like - he died in 1912 and all photos were destroyed, so as far as I'm concerned, this aspect of our ancestry has been hiding in plain sight since 1907, when my aunt was born.

I'd love to know more about it. I've found Reynold's `Study of a Black Man' online - the sitter shares the same facial structure as my aunt and I'd be proud to have him among my forebears - it is possible as he would have been in the right place at the right time.
Sconesandcream said…
@unknown - re Gary. Yes, I used to follow him because he was hilarious. I unfollowed him soon after he began promoting his book because he very suddenly backed off making any funny posts about MM. It was obvious he was worried about his criticism of MM impacting his book sales and he was nasty to any of his followers who queried him on this.
Yankee Doodle - please check your facts before making wild assertions about other nations!

For example, the date when compulsory education became law and the provision of education before that; the history of public health before the NHS eg charitable & municipal hospitals; the role of the Church in both education and health; The role of the Jews following their re-admission under Cromwell during the Commonwealth (1649-1660); Kindertransport.

If you're concerned about the Irish famines, this isn't the place for it.

Maggie: Well done.

Thank you for refuting this gross calumny about the UK. As a nation, the British are not anti-Semitic any more than we are a racist. That is yet another reason why Corbyn and Markle are so vile - they have done us a great disservice by projecting a distorted image internationally and encouraging the minority of people with such nasty views .

They do not represent the nation as a whole, just as I hope the ignorant loudmouth from the US behind me on the National Express coach didn't represent his nation...

FWIW, I probably have some Jewish ancestry as well, on my father's side this time, from Sephardim who came from the Low Countries in the 17th and the 18th centuries.
PaisleyGirl said…
@HappyDays, @ Lizzie, re the dogs that Meghan and Harry supposedly brought with them while hiking on holiday (if that story is even true, as it seems to be a SS puff piece to me), it would seem to be far too much hassle to bring your dogs with you on an overseas holiday, especially when you have staff to care for them at home. The flight would also be very stressful for the dogs. Which made me wonder if Meghan or Meghan&Harry have permanently relocated to Canada. That is the only scenario where bringing your dogs would make sense. If you're never coming back to the UK, you would take your dogs with you. Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?
lizzie said…
@PaisleyGirl,

Good question. I'm not at all sure the story about the selfie help when dogs were spotted is true. But if it is true and the dogs were theirs, one thing it says to me is that they've spent their "break" flying around in private jets as I seriously doubt they flew either dog cargo. (And even an adult male beagle likely would not fit in the size kennel required for commercial cabin travel. Animals are supposed to be able to stand in their carriers and the max height is 8.5 inches.) I think we've all thought they flew private anyway since they've managed to go unspotted for so long.

Taking the dogs could mean they weren't planning to come back. And if they are, definitely their idea of a 6 week break must not have meant 6 calendar weeks...
KayeC said…
If they were hiking in Canada, as many commenters have pointed out, where were their RPOs?? Also, it seems MMs friends, (the chick who took the picture, now a former co-star) are constanly rotating through their "family time."
CatEyes said…
@Brown-eyed

You said it best regarding cancer. Many things can predispose you (genetics and environmental) but in the end an unknown reason triggers it. I hope those who have some familial links are not dissuaded from being alert (recently Medicare paid for genetic screening of cancer for me) about it. My brother is a survivor of 4th stage leukemia (at age 70) and he knows it was a blessing (ironically both getting it, he turned his life around and getting over it).
Boys or Girls?

Hope this helps -I've just found Val McDermid's guide to female & male skulls for forensic anthropology training in SA - see http://dnaproject.co.za/blog/tag/forensic-anthropology

The key? Look at the jaw - is it pointed(F) or more rounded(M)? Is the corner near the ear an `open' angle(G) or more of a right-angle(M)?

McDermid (Dundee Univ) may be familiar to British TV viewers for her work in reconstructing faces from ancient skulls.
xxxxx said…
Perhaps the Sussex combo are going to extend their Canadian vacation until Haps gets Megs pregnant. Then, when they return they will be somewhat immune to criticism and Charles' discipline with her being pregnant and vulnerable.
Why do I hear the Beatles?

`Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see...

Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields
Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever'

(www.azlyrics.com)

Earlier, one press report about Saanich Strawberry Fields claims it had had extensive fencing erected and was swarming with British RPOs & their vehicles (at whose expense?)

Goodness knows what the truth is. I don't even with eyes wide open.
Fedde said…
Honestly, I have no idea if the same baby is used in every of "Archie's" appearance. However, I find the suggestion of a boy and a girl alternating quite odd. Why wouldn't they just go "OMG we've got twins!", to MM that would be something she can lord over (in her own mind) Kate who's never done that. MM could tell herself that she's much more fertile than Kate and just so much better in general, especially by giving Harry two children (and one of each sex, too!) in one pregnancy. Also, there's a definite cuteness factor to twins, regardless of sex. It would draw way more attention and she could dress them alike/similar etc. Just look at the Monaco twins, they're so adorable! And if MM would fear people would think she used fertility treatments or IVF to get twins then, again, look at the Monaco twins; everyone knows/suspects Charlene used IVF, if only not to have to have sex with Albert.

As for who the most recent Archie resembles ("H", MM or the previous Archie) I have no idea. We have twin babies in the family and we don't know (yet) if they're identical or not. One was bigger than the other (as is often the case in twin pregnancies) during pregnancy and at birth and the little one only caught up at about 4 months old qua physique but there remains a slight difference in head size. Could indicate that they're not identical and just have different head shapes but it's also possible the youngest one's head hasn't caught up yet or it has but the older one's head is starting to lose some chubbiness hence the difference. Anyway, they look quite alike in certain angles but overall we can tell them apart; but if they're both wearing hats, no one can tell them apart. And more than once I've said they look so much alike when you look at them from a certain angle. Other times I'm convinced they're fraternal twins. The biggest one also looks exactly like their older sibling as a baby (from pics, anyway) but I rarely see a resemblance to relatives, except the eyes of one. And sometimes they'll do something and I'm immediately reminded of a relative who has the same look etc. Oh and look at Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen; they were so identical-looking as children (not so much anymore these days after all the eating disorders, drug addictions, chimney smoking and plastic surgery) that they could play the same character on TV, but they're actually fraternal twins. And their sister, Elizabeth, could have been their triplet looks-wise if only she'd been shorter and had a smaller head.

So, I can't say if it's the angles (plus photoshopping) or if the Archies are indeed different babies.

I am, however, convinced his birthday wasn't in May if one of the Archies is the actual Archie because of MM practically tossing Archie up in the air (okay, not really, but she might as well have) in SA without supporting his head/neck. There's no way a barely 4-month old would be okay after doing that. And no one around was like "Nooooo" so clearly they all thought he was older and suffered no ill effects from that move.
CatEyes said…
@Fedde

>>>I am, however, convinced his birthday wasn't in May if one of the Archies is the actual Archie because of MM practically tossing Archie up in the air (okay, not really, but she might as well have) in SA without supporting his head/neck. There's no way a barely 4-month old would be okay after doing that. And no one around was like "Nooooo" so clearly they all thought he was older and suffered no ill effects from that move.<<<

It seems most posters (disparate beliefs in many issues with these two) have all said Archie appears much older than if he was born in May. And it was cringe-worthy to see her actions with him as you noted. Yikes! Is she the stupidest mom on the planet or what! I feel so sorry for the baby in so many ways. They (Harry is complicit) in making the poor child the butt of jokes, the suspicion of many, and the dire predictions of a good many folks.
none said…
Perhaps the surrogate was carrying twins and delivered early. Could account for the different looks of the babies as well.
Fedde said…
But why wouldn't H&M just say "surprise, it's twins!" rather than alternate babies? I mean, I'm with most of you that they're not very bright and obviously have some mental health issues but it would be a lot less difficult and they could just say that a) it was a difficult pregnancy and they weren't sure both babies would make it (bonus for MM to whine about how difficult her pregnancy was but she kept up appearances even though no one asked if she was okay) or b) that #2 was hidden by #1 or something lame.
I don’t think the piece has been posted here, forgive me if it has.

A cracking bit of sarcasm about The Sussex’s by Jan Moir in the DM..

‘In May the royal couple open the Shine A Light Snowflake Centre in London for victims of generational fragility and issues related to trigger-word trauma. 

These include conditions such as ‘hurt feelings,’ and chronic sulking.
‘I am here with you as a mother, as a wife, as a woman, as a woman of colour, as your sister, as an inspiration, as a duchess and as a royal personage, so please don’t even think about taking a selfie,’ says Meghan, wearing a Misha Nonoo ballgown accessorised by a bright red Prince Harry, glowering furiously at her side.

The couple then take the rest of the year off to rest and recuperate.’
Madge said…
@Maggie
@Wild Boar Battle-maid

I echo your words in response to YankeeDoodle. There were so many misconceptions in that post it was hard to know where to start in reply, but both your replies covered it well.

@YankeeDoodle. Please have a little more care with some basic research before so grossly maligning one of America's oldest allies.
Hikari said…
Good morning, Nutties!

I'm in Ohio, USA . . it's morning here. I'm only one cup into my coffee quota.

Thanks to everyone who volunteered to join me on my ledge. Although I had drunk a couple of beers prior to posting last night, I want to assure everybody that all my marbles are intact, or at least no more scattered than usual. I do have many wonderments about Meghan and Harry's Ever-Changing Tot. It's going to be a lot harder from now on to disguise any differences/switch-outs of this child as he continues to grow. Therefore, we will probably get fewer and fewer shots of Archie as time goes on, not more--and we've hardly been deluged with images so far.

I am not convinced that (either) Archie is a girl, or necessarily from two surrogates . . the girl theory was floated by someone else and I ran with it for a while. Just trying to come up with possible explanations for why these images of Archie vary wildly from sighting to sighting. It's mind-boggling the level of subterfuge which would be necessary to even pass off one baby as their own & living with them, if they do not have custody . . never mind *two* children, used interchangeably at the same time. It's one thing for Meg to stage a secret photo shoot with two different babies, but it's quite another to travel to a foreign country with a large entourage & present a baby to Bishop Tutu and the world media who was *not* the child presented to the Queen. I can't explain any of it. If Meg is so disliked and so horrible to work for (too many staff horror stories to discount them all), and furthermore, if her financial support and autonomy have been largely curtailed by the Crown . . how is she managing a ruse of such magnitude?

I don't know. But when it comes to Meghan's plots, I have decided that just because reasonable people like us can't explain how she's pulling something off, it would be a mistake to accept therefore that things are exactly as she'd like us to believe they are. (ie, 'We are just a normal young(ish) couple in love, living our lives with our 7-month old son Archie whom we love very much--look, here's a snap from our lovely vacation, taken right after our hike with our two dogs. The dogs are not in the photo because they were tired out after the hike and they were napping back at our luxury retreat." She's up to something, even if we can't be certain exactly what, or how.

>>>Perhaps the Sussex combo are going to extend their Canadian vacation until Haps gets Megs pregnant. Then, when they return they will be somewhat immune to criticism and Charles' discipline with her being pregnant and vulnerable.<<<

I'm sorry, I have lost who I got this from for the attribution. I think the selection of Canada for their 'getaway' (Now in its 7th week) is suggestive. That's where Meg's fertility clinic is located, with her cache of frozen eggs. She could very well be trying to get inseminated herself and have a genuine pregnancy the second time around. Or, past performance being the best indicator of future behavior, she could be gearing up for another surrogate(s), and plans to stick around in the country until a viable pregnancy is confirmed . . whoever is carrying it. Beatrice's wedding announcement is due on January 20th, and I am convinced that Meg plans to sabotage that . . past performance being the best indicator of future behavior. She will not be able to stand the prospect of a York princess owning the day for a happy announcement all to herself.

Wild Boar Battle-maid said:
McDermid (Dundee Univ) may be familiar to British TV viewers for her work in reconstructing faces from ancient skulls.


I can't speak for everyone in the UK, but I think she might be a more familiar name for most people for her (excellent) books than her scientific work. Until I read your post, I wouldn't have automatically associated her name with anything other than being an author and actually Googled to make sure it was the person I thought it was lol

This is the first time I've tried posting (been reading since about Aug/Sept I think), and I've really enjoyed reading all of the ideas and observations people have made. I don't always personally agree with everything I've read, but I must admit whether I agree or disagree with certain points it's all fascinating and all adds into the jigsaw of trying to figure things out. I'm still on the fence regarding a lot of the stuff out there, but I do try to keep an open mind and look at all angles. I guess I'm one of those people who wants to believe that things are straightforward and the official narrative is the correct one, but I just can't seem to make myself fully believe it no matter how I try; it's like one of those clever optical illusions where you're sat staring at it trying to figure out how it was done but just can't quite put your finger on it. I can fully sympathise with the posters who have previously mentioned it's causing them to question their own judgement/opinions because that's where I always end up.
Hikari said…
If Meg is in Canada for more IVF (whether on herself or somebody else), it gives a extra special layer of meaning to 'private family time'.
CookieShark said…
@ KitKat, brilliant observation about people and mountains in photos.

That was also why the Christmas card seemed so photoshopped. In order to get the shot of Archie in front of the camera like that, wouldn't the photographer have to be laying on the ground? And then what happens to H&M in the background?

Miggy said…
Meghan Markle's friend Katherine McPhee's husband David Foster reveals he arranged for their stay at mystery multimillionaire's Canadian mansion - but does NOT know if they are paying for it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7846385/David-Foster-arranged-Harry-Meghans-stay-mystery-millionaires-Canadian-mansion.html
Miggy said…
Not had time to read the whole thread so no idea if this has already been posted but there's lots of chat on Twitter about the mental health and addiction treatment facility, HOMEWOOD RAVENSVIEW, which is about 6 miles away from the mansion and also has a similar view of the mountains to that posted in the photograph of Harry holding Archie.
PaisleyGirl said…
@Miggy, the side by side photos of Archie in this latest DM article has more or less convinced me that South Africa Archie is the same child as Canada Archie. Their eyes and faces seem very alike when viewing them side by side. However, Archie seems to have a bit more colour in his face in the Canada picture and his eyes seem darker as well. Also, it is still odd that he seems the same size in Canada as he was in SA, even though these photos were supposedly taken three months apart.
Miggy said…
@PaisleyGirl,

I've always believed that it has been the 'same' Archie from the christening onwards.

I don't believe she carried him though...!

KitKatKisses said…
@Cookie, thank you! And yes, you are right about the photographer's angle on the Christmas card.

That Archie to me looks not very like the "Canada" Archie.
Hikari said…
I'm pondering if this '6-now-7 month family break' in Canada is a precursor to the announcement that their break in a Commonwealth country is going to be permanent. The New Year should bring some interesting developments.
KayeC said…
@Miggy, that link shows an even better side by side, with MM and Katherine McPhee with their original noses!! LOL!!
Miggy said…
@KayeC,

Precisely! :)
KitKatKisses said…
There is a link on Twitter to a Google Maps view of the supposed photograph site...and it is in Turkey. The claim is that it indeed photoshopped and the Turkey reference is meaningful to MM in some way.
Miggy said…
These are the posts on Twitter that I was referring to:-

https://twitter.com/AllisonBiasella/status/1212738105993814016

https://twitter.com/ubermouth6/status/1212980474798206976
Brown-eyed said…
@CatEyes
So glad your brother is doing so well.
Miggy said…
One that I forgot to post...

https://twitter.com/gofakeyourselfm/status/1212587742783328256
Glow W said…
Harry is wearing a blue scarf in the photo and it is laying on Archie’s leg. That is why one legging looks blue. You can see the scarf by harry’s collar.
Miggy said…
@Tatty,

I at first thought the colour of his hat was somehow reflecting on to Archie's leg but couldn't work out exactly how but now that you mention a scarf - of course!
Glow W said…
@miggy I didn’t notice his scarf at first either, but I saw a comment on it and went back and looked and sure enough, he is wearing a blue scarf.
Mea culpa, re `Val McDermid' I didn't read it properly. I was thinking of a forensic pathologist at Dundee Univ. with red hair and possibly a similar name, with Val McDermid the writer. Apologies for the confusion.

When I asked `Who's paying?' I was thinking of their security. My understanding is that it comes out of the Metropolitan Police budget (please correct me if I'm wrong) and I can think of far better ways of spending the money than on looking after them.

I know that all hell would break loose should any misfortune befall them (the Brits in general would be blamed and the RF in particular regardless) but Harry at least should know better. Perhaps that woman of his has an excuse - she can't help behaving as she does. Someone described the pair of them as cockroaches and one has been called `leech'; I'm mentally going through my old parasitology notes to find exactly which disgusting species of obligate parasite best fits her. I'll let you know when I've decided. My narc ex was the human equivalent of a tapeworm - he got his hooks in then did nothing except have sex with himself.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: @Wild Boar Battle-miss, LOL! Your comments are rich with information and wit...love them!
Sandie said…
If anyone is not sure what narc devaluing is, watch this clip (and note that she is such an operator that she does it in a way that she has plausible deniability):

https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q3jf5uGE7E1xfdp3x.mp4

There are plenty more examples. Imagine living with a person like that!
Canada or Turkey or...?

I see what you mean Miggy. Are you a geologist or geomorphologist?

It's not just the skyline of the mountains that has to match. It's that a large feature rising from left to right that has to match. My geology's somewhat rusty - is it a fault plant? a thrust plane? It suggest some sort of earth structure on a large scale. It's in the background of the Archie photo and the Turkey one but I couldn't see it in the genuine BC photos

That had been worrying me - but thought it might be something to do with the light. It wouldn't have occurred to MM to check that. Bingo!
CookieShark said…
Thanks Sandie! I have been posting about this exact behavior for awhile. Some may say "This is being a strong woman" but to me it's just rude. In the split second before she does it you can almost see the wheels turning in her head: How do I make this about me again?

Other examples I have noticed more recently are from the Women's Day panel where she is dismissive with the moderator, and at the assisted living home for the actors (name is escaping me right now). They present her with a plaque at the end, and she looks at it for a moment and says (I'm paraphrasing) something like, "OK, should we get my coat?" No manners, no class.


Fairy Crocodile said…
Dear Nattiers, I would like to know your opinion about the strange silence regarding Australian fires from the President and Vice President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust. It is young Australian's heritage burning now and yet our global humanitarians Megsy and Harry say and do nothing.

Are we to expect some sort of pathos from them soon calling us to do our bit and be kind? Or are they gone too far into their own universe to care?

I think UK has to do something to help Australia.
Fedde said…
Maybe MM will post a "heartfelt" speech to support the Australians on Instagram while wearing some kind of fire retardant outfit and wellies, with a personalized fire extinguisher in her hand. With a link in the Insta to donate money to the Sussex Royal foundation or purchase the outfit (with an engraved message on the fire extinguisher) directly through them and have these "aid packages" sent to Australia.


HappyDays said…
xxxxx said…
Perhaps the Sussex combo are going to extend their Canadian vacation until Haps gets Megs pregnant. Then, when they return they will be somewhat immune to criticism and Charles' discipline with her being pregnant and vulnerable.

@xxxxx: I chuckled at your last sentence about the Harkles being immune to criticism if they return and Meghan is preggers again and vulnerable. She’s very much as some people have described Meghan — a cockroach. As with the cockroach, scheming social climbers and narcissists like Meghan have been around humanity for a long time. Both prefer to work in the shadows and dark and they scatter when light shines upon them to reveal their true ugliness. Once they invade and take hold, it can be difficult to get rid of them because they become immune to bug sprays and other methods to banish these infectious pests. The most sure way is to stomp on them with your shoe. I hope HM, Charles, and William have shoes with firm soles.
DesignDoctor said…
@Sandie I was married to a narc and he behaves just like Megs. It was hell living with him and his 3rd wife is also going through the same hell with him. Narcs are so far up themselves they have no understanding or empathy for the needs of others.

When they want to be charming they can be--love-bombing--but their true selves are very self-centered and cruel. They put you on a pedestal and take great pleasure in knocking you down. Mostly in private. Mainly charming in public so everyone thinks they are "nice" and "kind." So, in general, others do not see the problem. The fact they are working in the dark and gaslighting their victim makes living with them hell. Nothing is as it seems with narcs.



SwampWoman said…
Off topic: Fairy Crocodile, I am so sorry about the fires in Australia. I follow the coverage of them on the internet. Personally, I don't believe that they've been getting sufficient coverage in the MSM around the world.
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CookieShark said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4264702/Meghan-Markle-s-past-love-freebies-revealed.html

This is not a new article, but it is quite revealing, given that so many over at CB have a coronary whenever posters point out that MM likes nice things and has been known to merch.
Now that many are saying Archie looks like Meg as a baby...that means there is an elephant in the room. If Archie has Afrocentric features (like Meg originally did in some respects) I wonder is if she will want to accept his looks (when she changed hers, hair straightening, different nose, etc...)? I'm thinking thankfully he is a boy and won't have to give in to his mother's sense of esthetics.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Swamp Woman. I think so too. We should scream at the top of our voices about Australian fires and we should do all we can to help. What is the point of Commonwealth if we are leaving our own during their hour of need.
HappyDays said…
NY Post headline: How Katharine McPhee is showing her secret dark side

From the “birds-of-a-feather” department:
My knowledge of Katherine McPhee consisted of her being a contestant on American Idol some years ago and in a high school play with Meghan before becoming somewhat famous and then marrying David Foster (eeew!).

Her assisting Meghan with obtaining the recent stay at the estate in BC piqued my interest and made me wonder if these two are cut from the same cloth. Katherine seems to want to be one of Meg’s BFFs, but even though they knew each other in high school, apparently she didn’t make the cut to get a royal wedding invite. But now that she’s married to a Hollywood geezer with a lot of clout, and Meghan wants a place at the Hollywood fame trough, perhaps they can use each other.

It turns out that yes, they appear to have very similar personalities in that they both had tremendous cravings for fame, had achieved moderate success with K being more famous than Meghan, but still not exactly A-list. Both latched on to men who could give them both a permanent spot at the fame trough. Oh yes, and when they both started to acquire a bit of fame, they promptly dropped their longtime non-famous friends.

Check out this NY Post article from December 30, 2017
https://nypost.com/2017/12/30/how-katharine-mcphee-is-showing-her-secret-dark-side/
DesignDoctor said…
@Unknown What about the MM reported "tufts of red hair" that Archie has?
DesignDoctor said…
To all--also very sorry to hear about the wildfires in Australia and think the MSM should be covering this story more extensively.

And, the two humanitarians should be speaking out and doing something to support the Australian people in their time of extreme hardship.
Unknown said…
the "tufts of red hair" i believe originally came from Ellen Degeneres, who was claiming she had visited the Sussexes and met Archie. Although it turned out that ED is also repped by Sunshine Sachs. Around that same time, we saw a string of high profile celebrities (remember Pink's little tantrum?), all repped by SS, coming out in "defense" of Markle. But all of that has stopped. It was just bull shit PR. I think a lot of these high profile celebs are backing away from the Harkle train wreck. Not many seem to want to be affiliated with her anymore.
Unknown said…
Happy Days, you hit the nail on the head regarding McPhee. Her sweet little good girl act we saw on Idol, was exactly that: an act. The one we see now on her Instagram account (seductive attention whoring poses, flaunting of the millionaire meal ticket, and excessive flaunting of extremely high end/expensive material goods paid for by said meal ticket), is the real her. She and Markle are two of the same. Probably their attraction to one another. Each is trying to size up the value of the other, and what the other can do for them. Mcphee's career at this point is really just a joke, and its gonna be quite a dramatic and devastating show to watch when her marriage ends (and it will, I think she's wife number 5? He tends to get bored and seeks younger pastures). Same with Markle, devastating results. Entertainment for us though!
lizzie said…
Yes, it was Ellen who said that about Archie's hair. https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a28969167/meghan-markle-baby-archie-ellen-degeneres-meet/
But then it turned out maybe she wasn't even in the UK when she was supposed to have visited and fed Archie (or if she was, the schedule was really tight to have visited Windsor before flying out.)
CatEyes said…
Bur regardless of "little tuffs of red hair", the potential "afrocentric"features on little Archie could be there. Here in Texas it is not unusual to see mixed race (black and white mixed) children with red hair, and also black and hispanic mixed kids with red hair...so what is that supposed to mean??
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lizzie said…
@Trudy,

Exactly. Ellen's comments came only a short time before SA and clearly there were no noticeable "tufts" of hair of any color when he was displayed with Tutu. As you say he was basically bald.
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@KitKatKisses Your comments about the background to the Harry and Archie photo are interesting to me. I live close by and have that view. At first, I thought it "proved" that the photo was genuine. However, I felt something was a little strange and couldn't put a finger on it. Then it dawned on me that my ripples are way smaller. Harry would have to be way out in the water and nowhere near the beach. But even with this, there is something odd about the size of the ripples. Technically, at that size, they should be the humps made by waves, with a different appearance altogether. I tell you, I am feeling so gaslighted. The story about the selfie stick just defies belief as well.
Re MM's friend. her horrible sex tape is out there and I noticed that when I Googled her name with the term porno and went to images, there is a head shot of her probably taken from it. Why is a royal associating with someone like this? What secrets does MM have? I figure that is why she is suing the Sun and Mail on Sunday. They have something on her. Just speculation on my part, but Occam's Razor and all that.
Lighthealer Astrid, you're just what we need, an observer on the spot.

Can you see actually a slope/ inclined plane/geological fault/ thrust plane, or whatever it is, that runs up at an approx 30 degree angle from left to right on the hillside below the skyline in the Harry photo and in the Turkish photo that Miggi refers to? I can't see it in photo of the genuine Canadian view. Is it really there in the actual landscape? Or is the background in the Harry photo of somewhere else superficially like your view? It may only appear in certain lights, of course.

It's what makes me think the photo is not what it purports to be. Is it a photoshopped job, figures onto another background? Are they in Turkey? In a photostudio? Nothing is as it seems. We cannot take anything at face value.

The only time I think MM may have told the truth was when she boasted `I am such a liar!' when discussing faking membership of her acting union. Even that's not certain - there's the awkward philosophical question - if a liar says `I am a liar' are they telling the truth?

The song? Sounds like abject submission to a narc to me.
Sooz said…
HM and The Heirs - the Fab Four of 2020! I love the new photo released taken the day of the Christmas lunch (and pudding event) of HM, Charles, William, and George. And, it was taken in The Throne Room ... love it!
Meowwww said…
My unasked-for opinion:
It’s the same child. I think the lack of photos have something to do with that in-turned eye. Maybe he was born with it much worse and had surgery and wears a training patch? Happened to my nephew.
I think they used a surrogate. She remained perfectly skinny everywhere while pregnant. I remember one video clip when they were...somewhere. It was a side shot of her, and you see her belly move with “kicks”. Normal, right...except the self satisfied smirk on her face and the way she dramatically looked down was like “that will show them”. Fake.
I think Harry is/was in the rehab in Canada and Meghan stayed nearby. I think he is still clinging to the marriage...rehab removes all your layers and you are raw, perfect for a Narc love bombing. And she won’t let him go.
HappyDays said…
Just a thought. The Golden Globes are on Sunday in LA. I think it’s pretty much a given that she’d LOVE the attention she’d get if she and her prop showed up.
Girl with a Hat said…
the gossip magazine gala in France reports that Meghan and Harry are back in the UK and on a short leash.
HappyDays said…
@ Mischi said...
the gossip magazine gala in France reports that Meghan and Harry are back in the UK and on a short leash.

Mischi: This is good news. I hope it’s a VERY short leash.
I wonder if the photo of HM, PC, PW, and PG was held and released now to partly serve as a welcome back to the UK reminder to the Harkles just who matters in The Firm.

I hope Meghan's grandiose plans for herself using the vehicle of the Sussex Royal grifting foundation are dashed by being told by HM that now that Andrew is out of the patronage picture, they must step up and be good team members by taking over a large number of Andrew’s former patronages. That would just grind Meghan’s gears to no end to be stuck in the UK taking up her valuable time working on causes that she cares nothing about and meeting the non-A list people she disdains.
Henrietta said…
About the Gala report, I'll believe it when I see it, specifically MM's undertaking more royal duties.
HappyDays said…
Mischi said...
the gossip magazine gala in France reports that Meghan and Harry are back in the UK and on a short leash.

I read the article. You’re right. Sounds like they’ve been told to stay in line, act like proper royals and no whining in public.

This type of hard line will not sit well with Meghan’s narcissism. If this information is accurate, her need for absolute control will clash terribly with any new rules. She’s too used to usually getting her own way in life, and within the environment of her relationship with Harry, she is used to running everything. If HM or Charles are stepping in, it would likely be very threatening for her to no longer be catered to. Perhaps the RF has been clued in to her personality disorder, her clever manipulations will no longer work.

Gee, who will be around to ask Meghan if she’s OK and to help Harry get out of bed in the morning? I suspect Harry’s apparent depression is from the possible emotional abuse that narcissists inflict on their victims in private. If the RF is cracking down on them, I wouldn’t be surprised if Meghan takes her anger and frustration out on Harry. Narcissists are angry people in the first place, so being under the thumb of The Firm would’t sit well with a woman who prefers to keep others under HER thumb.
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Ann Christensen said…
Lotsa comments. Need MORE Nutty please.
punkinseed said…
Happy Days, you are correct about how Narcs hate being side lined or unable to follow directions. Plus, it's clear that Megs has zero impulse control and is incapable of listening.
"It's Them Or Me!" It's pretty clear by now how much she hates the royal family for whatever multiple real or imagined things they've done to her, cuz you know, she's a victim all day every day. When ever she feels one of the royals have done something mean to her, real or imagined she'll tell Harry something like, "It's them or me and you have to choose." That's why Harry ducked out of royal event like that memorial for the military and went to the Disney thing because you know, that's her kind of event and all things must go her way. She insists that he choose what she wants to do or where to be and if he doesn't then she accuses him of being disloyal to her and threatens to take the baby and leave him and tell the world what a doper, drunk abusive monster he is.
As far as Harry goes, yes, his self esteem is shot. Narcs, no matter how big or small they think something is, will never take the blame after deliberately doing or saying something wrong, even when busted red handed. No matter what happens, everything is always going to be Harry's fault and she will make sure he knows it all of the time. In order to cope, he uses and probably gives in to her demands just to shut her up.
If he's been going to or in rehab she should be very afraid, because rehab does rebuild a person's self esteem and builds them back up again with real love and honesty. She can't let that happen! He'll learn that he hooked up with this lunatic whilst in the midst of his ongoing drug/drinking toxic fog; and as he gets sober, he'll begin to honestly feel things. Feelings like, now that he is sober, he figures out that he doesn't love her at all and make moves towards freedom. Let the healing begin!
Nutty Flavor said…
New post. And I'm so happy to see George wearing long trousers instead of those silly shorts! It's January.
Miggy said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid,

"Can you see actually a slope/ inclined plane/geological fault/ thrust plane, or whatever it is, that runs up at an approx 30 degree angle from left to right on the hillside below the skyline in the Harry photo and in the Turkish photo that Miggi refers to?"

All the links I posted showed the Canadian hillside/skyline. (I've not had time to find the Turkish photo so I didn't refer to it.)
Well I thought the Turkish parents posted a lot of photos online...so maybe that is the initial wrong...don't publicize your child's photo to the world wide web.
pi said…
I'm on Thomas Markle's side although I didn't believe in the beginning when he announced he had a heart attack because of the photo exposé. But by this time, I was suspicious of the little madam and her royal poodle. I saw no evidence that they had welcomed Thomas into the royal fold and sought to help and support him.

It really bugged me that Harry as a man never insisted on meeting her father in person. Only weaklings exclusively communicate by text and phone and never meet/honour their fiancée's father; No. Respect. (or she had already lied Harry into hatred). It also became very clear that she didn't want Thomas walking her down the aisle- he didn't fit her glossy narrative.

I don't think TM is psychologically sophisticated so he reacted just like most people react to the behaviour of a narcissist- confusion, woundedness and damage. He remains confused and wounded not understanding why oh why she has dumped him for some transgression which, let's face it, is a minor one. He doesn't understand that his presence doesn't jive with her victimhood ('the family I never had') and the grand optics she demands.

I see TM as desperately trying to reach out to her given the opportunity no matter how low. Not the best choice but not evil. I attribute assertions of "owing" him to bitterness and helplessness and major hurt; I don't think he knows what else to do. It's also rather childish but if anyone has been done wrong/dirt it's Thomas Markle. She impugned her father's character, smeared his reputation, and trashed his love to the entire f'ing world- it can't get more damaging and humiliating than that.

It's Doria who has come out of this smelling like a rose. Doria, the mother she didn't live with during her formative years. Makes me go hmmm? Doria who keeps her mouth shut, is never questioned about why she didn't have custody. But she makes a good AA prop.

I do fault TM for providing the perfect environment for a blooming disordered narcissist- he spoiled her rotten. I mean ROTTEN. And then there was Hollywood.... But in the final analysis he gave her everything out of love and she discarded him, like a snotty used tissue .
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