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Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

Earlier this year, in response to a blind item on Crazy Days and Nights, I predicted that Duchess Meghan would be out of the Royal Family by the end of the year. This prediction was received with a great deal of mockery - you're delusional! you're a racist!, etc.

Now it is December 31. Was I correct? It's hard to tell.

The visit to California

Meghan is clearly not in the UK at writing, although it is difficult to puzzle out where she is and who she is with. Originally, the "six week break", now in its seventh week and counting, was supposed to give Meg and Harry a chance to relax and reconnect with family in the US.

"Family in the US" would presumably be Meg's mother in California, since she has cut off everyone else.

But there's no evidence that Doria ever spent time with the Sussexes during the period, or that the Sussexes were in California at all.

The Canada stay

Several items have been leaked suggesting that the Sussexes are staying at a private compound near Vancouver, Canada.

Locals supposedly saw Harry hiking nearby; a local restaurant claimed to have denied the Sussexes a reservation because their security team would have been too disruptive. In fact, one account suggested that the compound had been putting up additional security fencing as early as December 19, roughly two weeks ago.

Here's the thing: do Meg and Harry really need that much security, particularly since nobody supposedly knew where they were?

When Boris Johnson and his latest squeeze can fly economy class on their Christmas holidays, and wealthy megacelebrities like Paul McCartney can stand in line with his wife to buy tickets to a movie (something a friend of mine experienced; Paul turned down offers to let him skip ahead), how much security do the sixth and perhaps the seventh in line to the throne really need?

One of the best security tactics is surprise; if no one knows Duchess Kate is going to be in a particular Waitrose at a particular time, she can pop in with a single bodyguard and do her shopping, as long as she doesn't dilly-dally.

It's hard to believe that Meg and Harry in an unexpected location would need extensive security planning, although they might think they do. As Enty often says, the more insecure and status-obsessed the celebrity, the bigger the entourage.

Personally, I'm not entirely convinced they were ever in Canada. The evidence is all second-hand, and there have been no smartphone photos from ordinary polite Canadians (or boorish tourists.)

Unconfirmed rumors

Ann, a regular poster on CDAN, suggested the other day that Harry was in a combined rehab/mental health facility in the UK. Meg was in North America by herself, she said.

To quote Ann: I'm hearing the Harkle divorce is in process. Markle got herself thrown out of the BRF in record time. Harry's in inpatient treatment in England. The BRF have custody of Archie. The DNA test didn't lie. Unfortunately Markle did and her settlement is going to be considerably much less since Archie isn't Harry's biological son. The whole sad tale should be over sometime in the second quarter of 2020.

(The inpatient treatment was) originally for treating his depression but they discovered he had developed some addiction issues trying to medicate his depression. I'm glad he's getting some help.

This is the very definition of an unconfirmed rumor, but it fits the British Royal Family's proven pattern of never leaving one of its own behind on the battlefield. (See: Prince Andrew.)

It would also explain the ludicrous photoshopped Christmas card, and the lack of other Sussex material during November and December.

And the timing - the second quarter of 2020 - would allow the BRF to say that the marriage lasted for two full years, making the extravagant Sussex wedding look slightly less silly.

It may just be a guess, but it's an interesting guess.

No respect from the press

Finally, the lack of respect the British press is showing for the Harkles is notable. An article in the Telegraph, often nicknamed "The Palacegraph" because it is used as an outlet for the Royal family and its courtiers, said earlier this week 

While for a time it seemed that the idea of Harry and Meghan joining forces with William and Kate as the “fab four” was one of the most positive royal PR stories of the last ten years, we start the new decade with the two couples running two separate courts, the Cambridges’ conventionally Royal, the Sussexes’ increasingly like a Hollywood entourage. 

The way they have conducted themselves since their marriage, and the birth of their son earlier this year, has caused considerable consternation among courtiers. The decision to absent themselves from some family gatherings and the secrecy that surrounded their son’s christening, have gone down badly among sticklers for protocol. 

The Sussexes have attracted public criticism given they receive money from the Sovereign Grant and are, as such, effectively public servants. Some courtiers fully expect the Duchess to want to go to live in California, not least because she apparently complains about the weather and other aspects of life in Britain; and it is assumed that if she went, her husband and child would go with her.


Emphasis mine. Anyway, that doesn't sound like a Royal Family that is looking to make nice or include the Duchess in its activities in the future, or one that is encouraging the press to show her respect.

Meghan's lawsuit against the Mail on Sunday is still in progress - suggesting that she won't get the generous settlement she was hoping for - and its sister publication the Daily Mail is being hard on Meghan as well. 

It openly suggested that the Sussex Christmas card was a fake, and then mocked her branding exercise, in which Sussex Royal applied for copyright on "more than 100 items, from teaching materials and emotional support groups to clothing and even newspapers."  

The DM didn't seem too worried about the possible competition from Meg. 

At any rate, the UK newspapers that play a game of be-nice-so-you-can-get-access with the Royal Family now seem to understand that they are no longer required to be nice to Meghan. 

We will punish your family

In an earlier blog post, I mentioned that a harsh story in the New York Post about the high administrative costs of the Royals' charities ("Why Americans are wasting their money donating to British Royal charities") was probably retaliation for Prince Harry's lawsuit against its sister paper The Sun. 

Murdoch and his team were saying: get Harry to drop the lawsuit, or we will go after the rest of the Royal Family. 

The Mail seems to be playing the same game. It ran an extremely unflattering story about the Queen this week, suggesting that she encouraged the UK government not to close an immigration loophole since it might affect her access to horse groomers

Today there was another unflattering story about how the Queen wants to build a massive storehouse for her art collection in Windsor, but that the local council was opposed because of the risk of flooding. 

Both stories made the monarch look arrogant and self-serving, and both could have easily been sent to the circular file in a time when relations between the Royals and the media were more friendly.

The Mail would like to see the lawsuit targeting its organization dropped as well.

Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

To return to the initial question: is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?  

The indications are strong that she has not only burned off any goodwill she may have had with the British public, but that the chaos she has created is (along with the Andrew scandal) damaging the popularity of the entire Royal Family.

I think her days are numbered. I wonder if she will ever return to Britain at all. 









Comments

50 and counting said…
I have a friend who is securely placed in the RCMP and very good at his job. He's been "unavailable due to operational requirements" since before Christmas. He's located on the wet coast.

I think there is some truth to the Saanich rumours. Just not that the Family Sussex is there in its whole.
Nutty Flavor said…
Interesting, 50. But if it’s just Meg, how much security would she need? She’s not in line for anything.

Maybe the RF just doesn’t want another Diana situation, where if anything should go wrong on the security front, a conspiracy would be alleged.
MustySyphone said…
Unknown unknown here. I hope Harry is/has been in rehab/mental health facility. Watching him over the last year or so has been an eye opener. I have always felt that MeMe approved of his hobbies as they were hers too. She is a classic enabler (used for control). I feel very sorry for the British people in having to foot the bill (RPO, wedding, Frogmore, etc) for these two and getting very little in return. If the above DNA statement is true, I am also extremely disappointed in HM for allowing archie to be listed as in line for the throne as his birth was not witnessed nor signed off by Royal physicians. No proof "of the body". This is a blantent violation of the constitutional law.
Ilona said…
I find it hard to believe that the baby is not Harry's. MM may not have been able to have a child because of age and other problems but Harry, too? Peculiar. I was of the opinion that there was a surrogate right from when the silly movements of the "royal" tummy were reported.

I agree with Nutty that the RF will support and defend their own. Which family wouldn't after all? As I said before, I do hope that PH is getting help with his problems and sees the light. Madam has played havoc with the feelings of the British people. Tradition plays a massive part of the British psyche. True, times have changed but nobody accepts a little, unknown, young woman with no substance - narcissist or not - to kick up a fuss in the midst of the mighty RF just because she fancies herself oh so influential. Does she think that her ego is more significant than that of others?
Hikari said…
I doubt Meg vacationed in Victoria on her own. She may have been in Canada (as per Trudeau's statement) but I think it more likely that she was holed up in a SoHo House property. Toronto is her bolt hole, where most of her contacts are. Is there a Soho House in Vancouver? Maybe the entire Canada story was a blind and she is on some Caribbean island. More her style.

If we are going to entertain that idea, then the 'elaborate additional security measures' at the mansion and the flap over the 'denied restaurant reservation' could easily have been smokescreens to give the impression they were there and get people talking about them. Her whole act is like the Wizard of Oz . . pretend to be a super important Big Noise over *there* while your small insignificant self is somewhere else entirely. The additional security might have been ordered by the current owner in order to make the property more attractive to potential VIP buyers. Meg got some kind of kickback for her name usage of course . . funding a sunny holiday somewhere else, I reckon.

Archie was her most audacious fraud, and I always figured he would be her downfall, when his provenance was discovered. HM has just welcomed him into the family through her Christmas speech, so that's a bit of a head scratcher. If he's got Meg's DNA but not Harry's, and Harry hadn't even signed off on this plan to deceive his family until it was too late to go public, the RF really doesn't have any responsibility for this baby. I've been assuming all along that he is in the care of his birth mother, or another adoptive family who has been compensated for his care. Then HM reasserts his place in the succession in her biggest speech of the year. So--don't know what's going on there.

If Harry's in rehab and his assets have been frozen so she can't get her claws on any of it . . oh, dear. I guess she could list her pilfered gladrags on Ebay and see what they go for. Based on the less-than-half-arsed electronic GIF 'card', her remaining resources are very slim.

Gee, if Harry divorces Meghan and it's already been disproven that the child she's claiming as hers has no ties to the RF . . would she be entitled to security detail at all? I think they are still putting the finishing touches on a case for fraud which will annul the marriage, her rights to use the title Duchess of Sussex, Sussex Royal or in any way profit from her extremely brief and fraudulent time in the RF. They could put injunctions in place against her merching on the Sussex Royal name or the Duchess title and make every instance a criminal offense. She could be ultimately stripped of every perk and every farthing she thought she had and walk away with nothing but her Jennifer Meyer trinkets and the ratty jeans and white Panama and bathrobe coat she entered into marriage with.

Hikari said…
She's Icarus, crashing and burning due to her own recklessness and thirsty, thirsty hurry to grab it ALL NOW.

I think this is what is in store for her eventually. But as the saying goes, even a fatally wounded animal is still dangerous. Unpicking her web of deceit and lies is going to take more time yet. She's not going to go quietly, but eventually she will go--the BRF has vastly more resources than she does and her remaining friends are few. I don't think we'll be seeing any more public engagements from this pair, or from her, but she will continue to be Duchess of Sussex in name for at least the better part of this year. She may be desperately stupid enough to try the fauxgancy gambit again. If she does, I hope the RF has learned from the last experience and does not allow her to hide behind 'privacy'. I hope that plans are underway this minute to draw up a conservatorship for Harry's money and personal affairs to protect his assets from her in the event of divorce. Harry likely needs oversight on his money and affairs and might have to have this help for the rest of his life, particularly if Charles strips him of full-time working status. Granny may have already done so.

Pass the popcorn; I think 2020 will see big changes coming. Not immediately, though. Officially, she is not done yet, but it's only a matter of time. I think we will see her ouster before 2021 dawns. But I'm hedging my bets. This wounded viper is likely going to take some people down with her. It's going to be protracted and ugly, because Meg's on the mat, and she fights dirty.
none said…
If the unconfirmed rumor is true, that would explain the absence of the Harkle's picture next to the Queen during her speech. Since the BRF isn't ready to announce the divorce yet, she couldn't just have a picture of Harry. Lots to digest in this post Nutty. Nicely done.
MustySyphone said…
Unknown Unknown again. Could someone please share a link on the rumoured world tour? I google Oprah. Her tour is really just a push for Weight Watchers membership (she owns 10% of the stock which tanked shortly after she bought it). You can buy tickets to her tour and various cities list celebrities that will join her there, but no Sussexes that I could find. Is it a joint tour or are they doing one all on their own (and who is paying for it????)
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Hikari said…
@Ilona,

There has been talk of Harry potentially being infertile. He was operated on for an undescended testicle at the age of 7. His parents were advised of a potential risk to fertility at the time. Maybe something happened to the other healthy one--sports injury or military injury . . or maybe this was always going to be an issue for Harry. This is speculative on my part, but it would explain a lot about the weird lack of bonding between Harry and the baby if he wasn't involved in the production side at all. Particularly if Meg arranged a surrogacy with a donor without his knowledge.

At the time of their engagement, they talked about wanting to adopt children, and I think that was potentially a testing of the waters to see how alternative ways of having children was received . . if either or both parties knew they would have great trouble having kids the natural way or had already had that confirmed.

Most couples don't find out they are infertile until they spend a significant amount of time trying for children. Meg announced her pregnancy a scant 5 months after her wedding, so it's not like she gave nature much time, at the advanced age of 37. If Harry knew going into this that he couldn't have kids without clinical help, then pretending to be pregnant to snare him wouldn't have been a winning strategy. If that's how she did it, though, then he didn't know.

It's all a big mess. Having publicly supported the pregnancy and the birth, however tepidly, and having officially acknowledged Archie as a great-grandson in the line of succession, I'm not sure how the Queen is going to backpedal from it now. It will be interesting to watch her try . . if she does.
Jules Bergman said…
Nutty, I remember when you predicted M leaving the BRF...and that's what got me looking harder at this situation.

Having had fertility issues of my own at the same age, I can tell you my doc said try for a year before alternate measures. But I'm clearly not as special as M.

Torontopapers is absolutely roasting M on Twitter - nearly a post a day. And they are scathing. I feel like they must know something to be that bold, knowing how litigious that duo is.

All in all, great post to address the current happenings...or lack thereof.
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Anonymous said…
@Hikari,

Yes, there is a Soho House Vancouver: https://www.sohohouse.com/cwh/vancouver

But my guess is Rach would want to be at Soho House Malibu if she were choosing. It's the most exclusive, not open to regular members, only special A-list members. A few years ago (2015, during the launch, for example), she wouldn't have even been allowed unless she were there to "work" and "entertain". So, my guess is that is where she'd be if holed up in a Soho property.

And WTH would Oprah need a world tour? Have we not seen enough of O already?

As for Archie's DNA, is there any chance the rumor could have it backwards and the baby is Harry's but not Rach's?

And @Nutty, maybe it's not protection so much as it is monitoring that Rach needs?
Girl with a Hat said…
@Hikari, I think the Queen acknowledged Archie so she can have custody over him in case of a divorce. I think it's a case of lining up the ducks in a row beforehand. She knows that Archie has little chance of ever coming close to the throne, both physically or legally. I doubt we will be seeing much of him in the future, if at all. Poor little guy, didn't ask to have a narc mother who only thinks of him as a meal ticket. He deserves much better, as do all little children.
BlueRidge said…
I think Harry is in Britain, in rehab but Meghan is in Canada. I think she’s in Toronto and maybe went to the West for a few days with done girlfriends. Archie is not with either of them but eith his caregivers, whomever those people are. Royal employees or bio-family?

I also think they are apart and figuring strategies. They’ll pretend to be together and happy for as long as they can. I agree with @Nutty that they want to make that 2-year mark for the marriage. Meghan won’t be able to stand being out if site doesn’t shell pull a stunt or leak the separation news, IMO and blow the arranged plans.

Spenderella doesn’t hold a good hand beyond being a loose canon who will leak secrets about the BRF for money or pity as she tries to start new ventures. Oprah can do her documentary with just Harry but use the divorce/separation to Jack ratings, as content. Megs might get a Weight Watchers contract out of Oprah but I think that is all.

The House Of Sussex has imploded and I think Harry is ready to divorce her.
Just throwing this out there: didn’t Meghan have a dog that is staying with Doria? I thought it was written somewhere that she had a dog that was too old to move overseas with her so he stayed with Doria....the other dog she was actually able to bring overseas with her but was allegedly hit by a car or something happened to him. Either way, we haven’t heard anything about her beloved pets she was once so close to. With her 6 week break, wouldn’t she want to be in LA to be with her mom and also see her pet?

I have a dog (11 years old now) and moved from the US to Europe this year. I did not bring him with me because of his age and potential health concerns; he was adopted by my parents and is doing great in the US. I came back to the home for the holidays, and my main focus has been to see my sweet dog and have family time. If Meghan is such a dog advocate and loved her dogs so much, then why wouldn’t she want to see her dog and introduce him to Archie?

If that’s not the case and I’m not remembering the story correctly, then disregard this point :)
"The DNA test didn't lie. Unfortunately Markle did and her settlement is going to be considerably much less since Archie isn't Harry's biological son."

I struggle believing this, she isn't stupid and that a DNA test would be a given. The rest, yeppers, pretty much what has been predicted. It is sad the amazing opportunities afforded being a member of the BRF has been totally squandered.
SirStinxAlot said…
DNA, what if he was adopted? DNA wouldn't really matter then.
lizzie said…
@East Coast to West Coast,

I don't think we were told the dog Bogart is with Doria. Frankly if he was "too old" to travel to the UK, I'm not sure he'd have been able to travel from Toronto to LA either. He supposedly "stayed with friends" in Toronto.

But he wasn't old anyway. Unless people think of a lab mix as old at barely *five.* We know how old he was because MM said he was 3 in an interview done in early 2016 and we saw pics of him as a puppy on her blog. The dog, Guy, whose legs got broken was older than Bogart. In the magazine interview M said the two dogs were "thick as thieves." Guy was adopted as an adult as a companion for Bogart.
@lizzie — thanks for the insight. Not sure where I read (or misread) about him being with Doria. Hopefully he is getting the love and attention he deserves. If he wasn’t truly too old to travel overseas, then seems like a classic case of being discarded by Meghan once his purpose was served...
xxxxx said…
An all seeing and all-knowing perceptive post from Nutty. How the "deep game" behind the scenes is played. Virtual (as in UK media internet outlets) (as in how many dead tree newspapers do they actually sell these days?) verbal volleys being fired back and forth via the internet.

For the discerning and intelligent lovelies who post here. You have to make your New Years resolutions not just for a year but for a new decade. I have made mine that are good for at least two years.
Anonymous said…
I wonder if she helped PH with his interview answers in 2017:

— -- Just hours after Prince Harry's engagement to Meghan Markle was announced, the royal reflected on what his late mother would think of his new fiancée.

In an interview with the BBC on Monday, Harry gushed that Princess Diana and the former "Suits" actress would be "thick as thieves, without question."


https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/prince-harry-princess-diana-meghan-markle-thick-thieves/story?id=51411556
luxem said…
Maybe Harry spent the better part of 6 weeks in rehab in North Saanich documenting his mental wellness "journey" for the Apple documentary. He does seem to love starring in his own documentaries! The Homestead/Ravensview center specializes in first responder/military/veteran treatment. They also have an interesting connection to First Nations, which could play well in a documentary about how mental health is viewed by different cultures. Meghan probably spent the 6 weeks in Toronto and came at the end of Harry's treatment for a few days for a cameo in the video and to cause havoc. That would explain the photoshopped Christmas card and the hostage Santa video.

With regard to the absence of a picture on the desk meaning an imminent divorce, I think she treated the Harkle situation similar to PA. HM made sure the press saw PA/PC going to the earlier service as a show of family support, but she did not antagonize the public with his attendance in the Christmas walk. With Haz/Rach, she knows the public wants them out of the RF, so no picture that would make people assume their position in the RF is unchangeable, but still a mention of little Archie and her delight at welcoming him so the public knows she supports them (well, at least Archie).

I think Rach convinced Haz to make a deposit in a Toronto fertility bank the second she grabbed the engagement ring from his finger. The RF was forced to go along with the wedding due to the "baby" in a petrie dish. Haz thought she (Rach) would do the IVF treatment, but then he gets to Oz and finds out that maybe this plan isn't going along like he thought.
Royal Fan said…
@Mischi
I’m with you on this one! Whatever Archie’s DNA, it’s clear from the Queen that she’s welcoming him into the family. Straight from the horses mouth as we like to say here in the states. Does this mean he’s really Harry’s? Certainly supports it but she’s also been backed into a corner and who wants to do that to an innocent baby who’s unlikely to ascend the throne? She’s either adopting him or she’s know his parentage.

I have thought from the beginning that Meghan is in Canada with the only people who can still stand her. Harry is either with the family in secret, in rehab/psych treatment, or actually potentially doing both with a heavy outpatient treatment program while staying with family. Archie is likely at Frogmore with the nanny where I believe he always lives so they claim this is their “official residence”. Harry is probably making some visits to Archie from wherever he’s getting treatment from and perhaps Archie flew to meet Meg for a couple days but I don’t think she does much baby care on a regular basis personally. Neither one of them are really in a mental place to parent much so the little guy probably spends most of his time with a nanny.
I don't think HM could ignore the baby, that would be cruel whatever the child's provenance. He is the innocent in all of this mess which is most likely what MM was counting on. The road ahead in which he was born may prove to be difficult at best, unless someone steps in and minimizes the damage from endless publicity stunts.
lizzie said…
@East Coast to West Coast,

Here's the link to the May 2016 mag interview. Somewhere else it said the interview was done in late 2015/early 2016 but if it was actually closer to May 2016, then Bogart was more like 4 1/2 when MM moved. The dog stuff is near the end.

https://www.besthealthmag.ca/best-you/wellness/how-ellen-degeneres-convinced-meghan-markle-to-adopt-a-dog-and-more-from-our-may-cover-star/

I'd say he was discarded. He was useful for awhile though to talk about the Ellen connection.

MM and Harry were so odd about the dog's fate other than mentioning Canadian friends that lots of stories circulated. I never saw the Doria one but I'm sure it was out there. (But we've only seen Doria walking the same 2 dogs---a pit bull and a white dog that looks like it might be part small poodle or terrier.)
Louise said…
A small correction to your article, Nutty: The city involved is Victoria, not Vancouver. The city of Victoria is located on Vancouver Island. The city of Vancouver is not on Vancouver Island.. it is on the mainland... confusing, I know.

I do believe that at least Smirkle was in Canada, in the greater Victoria area for part of that time. I believe it because I can't imagine the Prime Minister of Canada and the Mayor of Victoria going along with a lie.

I did wonder about the lack of photos, but with her obsession for faux privacy it is possible that no one could get anywhere near them. Also, Canadians are indeed very polite and respectful of people's privacy. I know that actors who film in Canada often remark on how they are left alone at restaurants, etc., compared to the U.S.
Anonymous said…
Nutty, well done, your prediction looks like it may have happened. Hikari, you also nailed it. I can only add a bit:

I think the Q is a sly old gal - and said way more than she actually said. She used the words, "SMALL STEP(S)" a lot and how they bring about the most lasting CHANGE, and she also said, "MOON" and used "BUMPY" more than once. Odd words to find in a Christmas speech to the nation/world. She failed to mention Archie by name, she only mentioned her eighth great-grandchild, because she pretty much had to, but omitting his name was huge to me, these speeches are history and he's not in it.

She talked about how her father had to keep the D-day PLAN SECRET and how he could share the BURDEN with no one, as well as how it was DELAYED due to bad weather (Hurricane Andrew?). Was she trying to tell us something? D-day = Divorce?

Of course the missing photo spoke volumes, too. And she was in the green room, not sure but I think it was the same room as the Christening fiasco/mystery and photoshopping frenzy. Emerald Green, as in tiara?

Just read in a yt comment the photo circulating today of Meg hiking was taken in New Zealand when they were on tour, and that the owner of the restaurant denies everything being reported, much like the pub owner did. I think she finagled a deal with the owner of the BC house - free advertising for saying they were there since most of the photos were real estate listing photos. DM also has a story today about how 1/4 of people have lied about where they went on vacation. Wow, what timing! Murdoch I think is telling Meg to bring it!

She probably spent her last dime on paying her PR to pay to DM publish the story about them being there, so I think she's alone in a Toronto 2-bed holiday rental, with noisy pipes and 70s decor, with one bodyguard named Axel who has gas and BO, because she's been cut-off financially. I even doubt Doria is there, or she would have exploited her with photos, too. She's not in BC as she would probably rather die than be seen alone at Christmas, and no one wants to be seen with only her with no Duke b/c that makes them equally toxic.

No Christmas card/photo proving the three of them are in the same location together for the holidays, another photoshopped baby, this time a gif, with four eyebrows and that massive forehead which looked like it would be a $20 cab ride. I wouldn't make fun of any real baby, but this one even had false eyelashes on. If they were together, she'd have hired a professional for the card and it would have been published before the other royals with her stupid non-calligraphy for lasting profit, me-signaling, and PR exposure.

I hope Harry is getting some much needed rest in nice, warm weather somewhere where he can be outside and breathe fresh, Meghan-free ill wind. Happy New Year to you all!
CookieShark said…
I just don't understand the need to merch and make side money. At the beginning of their marriage, she always dressed very well and did look the part of a Royal wife. Somewhere along the way this unraveled. After the pregnancy announcement, I found her behavior obnoxious, especially at the BAFTAs. I thought the over-the-top in your face pregnancy to be insensitive for women who have fertility problems. Of course we all knew there was a pregnancy (!) but did it have to be the focus of every photo of her? The handholding and cuddling with Harry during work events is just unprofessional. Wearing jeans to Wimbeldon, when surely she knew better. She looked utterly frazzled while in SA. It is such a contrast to how she appeared when they first got married, but, as other posters have suggested, perhaps the cash flow has dried up.

For those of us who have to make hard choices about money, her statements about "not thriving" are offensive. We have to make choices about childcare, work, savings, pets, etc...she does not know these pressures anymore. If she is so disgusted with the RF, why does she let them pay her way?
Unknown said…
If I recall correctly, in uk a surrogate may be used but baby is hers for 42 days. After that the bio parents adopt and legally it is as if they gave birth. So baby is legally not biologically Harry’s is a very real possibility.
Anonymous said…
Archie’s christening made the Cambridges’s year in review video.

I think this would seem to show you are wrong, Nutty.

https://twitter.com/kensingtonroyal/status/1211791266163445760
Mischief Girl said…
My vote is that she is out of the family by spring.

I can hope, anyway. I am LOVING not seeing vainglorious articles on a daily basis about how woke and fabulous they are.

Fifi LaRue said…
Thank you Nutty for another post. You are quite intuitive to predict the demise of the marriage by the end of 2019.
By July we should know more of the story, and the progress of the divorce. Markle is not clever nor intelligent, so her strategy going forward should be more fodder for on-lookers. The Xmas card was an awful mess. Harry wasn't Santa. Markle must be like the duck that is swimming furiously under the surface to stay afloat.

And, Hikari, your posts are enjoyable.
Miss Mary said…
I think she’s on her way out or at least I hope so. I think it’s very likely that they’re not together and Harry is receiving treatment.
I’m not a long time follower of the Royals so maybe it’s not unusual but I was surprised that the Cambridge’s didn’t officially release their Christmas card. I was wondering if it was an attempt to protect Harry. Perhaps they weren’t expecting H&M to have a Christmas card because they’re separated? on different continents? rehab? If Cambridge’s didn’t officially post theirs it would be less obvious when the Sussex’s didn’t either. Of course Megsy did her thing and maybe that’s why we ended up with the black and white Will and kids pic. Cute but a strange choice for a Christmas photo why have Kate missing after the year she’s had? I guess like most mums she’s always the one taking the photos.
lizzie said…
@CookieShark,

I agree MM's wardrobe has looked worse as time has passed but I didn't find it all that great early on either. For example, I found the off-the-shoulders outfit at the Trooping to be quite odd. And they'd been married about 3 weeks then. I know the Queen wore strapless evening gowns when she was younger but this wasn't a ball or even a cocktail party. It was a morning parade in honor of HMTQ. And plenty of pictures of past Troopings exist for MM to have known that outfit wasn't the type anyone ever wore.
Anonymous said…
I see the inclusion of Archie’a birth and Christening in the Cambridge year in review as unfettered support of the Sussexes. The christening photo shown is the one everyone said was photoshopped; might this be their way of putting their stamp of approval on the Christening and proof that they were there. I see no way to spin this.
InnerLooper said…
I know they flashed a picture of H&M but could the “eighth grandchild” reference be to a pregnancy we don’t know about? It’s technically not a lie and could definitely be a very subtle dig
Anonymous said…
@brennac sorry, but no. She used past tense: welcomed their eighth grandchild into the family.
Girl with a Hat said…
Kensington Palace twitter account just tweeted to stay tuned for their first announcement of 2020!

Anonymous said…
@Drabred, I do not see the inclusion as unfettered support. I saw it as good taste and manners, but it could certainly be a sign that the Christening was not photoshopped. By including the Sussexes, however so slightly, W&K have risen above it all, esp since they are being blamed for leaking info and ruining Harry's chance at the throne lol.
Girl with a Hat said…
I don't think we will see Meghan "leave the BRF" this year, although it may be that Harry and she have separated. This will also not be announced. The reason for this is that the Queen will not allow them to separate and divorce after spending over 24 million on their wedding so recently. They will have to pretend in order not to make people angry over the expense of that ridiculous white wedding.
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Unknown said…
Drab. It would be too obvious (gauche??...) to not include the pictures. But that doesn’t change the possibility that the baby is legally Harry’s but not biologically Harry’s. This could explain no titles and a lack of family interaction—polo comes to mind
Jen said…
@drabredcarpet...or maybe they are also supporting Archie. I don't see it as putting their seal of approval on the Sussex Duo, but rather the baby.
Anonymous said…
@ Elle, Reine des Abeilles that is funny (if it wasn’t so crazy) that Wills ruined Harry’s chances at King. I do think those people are well aware Harry will never be king, they like imagining it or it’s a form of respect or something. Maybe they are crazy.

It was a very nice touch for them to include Archie. I think they didn’t have to do it at all and/or they could have shown the pic of Charles, Harry and Archie and left her out. I do think the inclusion of the Christening photo shows it wasn’t photoshopped. The queen may not have attended but two future kings did.

I see them including (more than once) photos of Harry and his family plus the greater family at Harry’s child’s event is sending a message that the brothers are not fractured. Nor is Harry’a family.

Some people don’t like that idea. Oh well. Take it out on the queen and the Cambridge’s for including Archie in their things when they didn’t have to. It’s not my issue to defend.
Rainy Day said…
@ Elle Yes, there is a Soho House Vancouver: https://www.sohohouse.com/cwh/vancouver

Elle, a correction, if I may. Vancouver is certainly a wealthy city and could probably support one, but Vancouver doesn’t have a Soho House. Vancouverites would have to apply for a Cities Without Houses Membership.
Anonymous said…
@jen yes, it is support of Archie by first the queen and now the Cambridges.
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CatEyes said…
Perhaps the plan for the Harkles family time was really a ruse to have am unofficial trial separation, with Harry going into rehab and Meghan being left out in the cold deliberately so she could spend the time to think long and hard about shaping up and improving her attitude (I know it might seem impossible).

I think Meg is by herself and is staying hidden from view (why we don't see her at her mother's) so as to not let the public know of the couple's predicament. No doubt Archie is probably being cared for by nannies and safeguarded from Meghan snatching him and running to California to attempt to use the easy legal system there to maintain custody.

The Queen really had no choice but to acknowledge Archie's birth and it was telling she did not even speak his name. Who knows maybe after a divorce he may be renamed something more regal. The Cambridge showed their support of Harry and his legal son (but not necessarily his biological son) and in the event of a divorce, Harry would likely get full custody (after Meggan may be brought to utter shame and possible justice).
Jen said…
@drab... and it would have looked really bad if neither acknowledged him. So what is your point?
Anonymous said…

@Drabred, I think it is possible to interpret it both ways, and you may well be right. I personally think it is just good manners. I have worked with people whom I've absolutely loathed, and I was still polite to them, greeted them, and offered invitations to "group" gatherings, not because I wanted them there, and not because I wanted to signal my endorsement of their behavior, but because I did not want to stoop to their petty, petty levels... the inclusion of the photos after what PH & Rach have dropped makes W&K look gracious and above it all, and it makes the Dumbartons' tackiness look even worse. And that's the way Will esp throws shade. Like the Cambridge B&W photo after the Sussex card.
Anonymous said…
Oh, @RainyDay, when I looked it up, I found that link. that isn't Soho House? I'm certainly not a SoHo expert lol. In fact, the only reason I even remember it's called So HO is because of Rach being well, you know lol
Jen said…
@Elle...is that where the name came from? SO..many......
DesignDoctor said…
@Elle I totally agree with your assessment of the Cambridge's inclusion of the Christening photo. Of course they included it, particularly after QE mentioned him in her speech. They have manners and grace.
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Anonymous said…
@RainyDay, I see what you mean. My mistake. I just got a laugh out of her not being on any of the party lists and PR photos in 2015 in Malibu, and then I didn't check the link. Bad Elle, bad (<<won't be the last time lol)
Anonymous said…
@Jen, most likely, and it sounded better than "Such a..."

@DesignDoctor, I am sure we're right on that. I take great delight in showing good manners to someone being awful to me. It makes them look so much worse. That W&K even included a Wimbledon photo (albeit a tiny one at the bottom) is proof positive to show "we tried, we really, really tried", and ditto with the Christening.
DesignDoctor said…
@Nutty MM thinks she needs/is entitled to a lot of security due to her position (and ego).

I think she is on the way out. I don't think they have been together on the family break. IMO the BRF has had enough and is now in close the ranks, minimize damage, and protect the monarchy mode.
I hope Harry is getting the help he needs and Archie is in safe, loving arms.
Jen said…
Including the christening photo tells me that "this is the only photo that we have that includes Archie and us at the same time."
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DesignDoctor said…
@Elle It's the "kill 'em with kindness" strategy and it is very satisfying on multiple levels. It's "taking the high road." "When they go low, you go high" philosophy.
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Anonymous said…
@Trudy, I agree re this And I'm sure there are ways to present this if it is indeed true, without damaging the RF too much.

I've said all along that the BRF has plausible deniability here. It's not likely she was bottoms up for any of the family after she announced, no royal doctors in attendance, how would they have known? Of course, they would have known, but how could anyone prove it? So I can see them unleashing hell if it was a surrogate birth, showing that rach played them and the rest of the world.
Anonymous said…
@Design Doctor, EXACTLY, but at the same time, glowing inside knowing just how much they want to just kill you and can't lol.

and yes, @Jen, excellent point: Including the christening photo tells me that "this is the only photo that we have that includes Archie and us at the same time."
Anonymous said…
I was surprised to see the sussexes at all as I expected it was a year in review for the Cambridges.
CatEyes said…
Maybe also the Cambridge's and the Queen realize that one day little Archie will be older and look back at the family photos and they are considering how he would feel if he was left out. So they included him to make him feel welcomed. loved and valued. Perhaps they are doing this knowing full well now, that his parent's union is shaky at best, possibly on the brink and imminently breaking up.
Hikari said…
@brennac and all,

Speaking of subtle digs...That is what I have decided Meghan’s patronage’s bestowed by her Maj are, in hindsight. When they were announced, it looked for all the world like the BRF was bending Over backwards to tailor Meg’s charities expressly to her self expressed interests and “gifts”. The message was “Look how seriously we are taking Meghan and how much we welcome her with important organizations selected especially for her. We were listening, And we want her to enjoy hitting the ground running in areas in which she should excel.” I thought it was incredibly decent, though risky, of her Maj to entrust institutions like the National Theatre, a plum appointment, to an untested greenhorn like MM. Then I learned that Wills spent time training with MI:6, Where he certainly would’ve learned things about His future sister-in-law. A number of things which Meghan had humble bragged about for months turned up as a patronage. There was quite a bit of murkiness over the fate of animal lover Meg’s two dogs. One abandoned in America; One sustaining fatal injuries in s vague accident on KP grounds. Give her the Mayhew animal charity!

She gave an Emmy winning performance as a paralegal getting banged up against the file cabinet? Give her one of friends most venerable theaters! If there were any doubts that she could handle being the patron of the NT, There was always the burger grilling video for a convincer, not to mention her career as a suitcase girl. She claims to be a polyglot with a dual degree from Northwestern, despite no evidence of Having actually graduated? Give her the Association of University women(. After all someone so whip smart Can inspire women everywhere. Finally, given her status as a global fashion icon, and her innate kindness towards the underprivileged, SmartWorks is the ultimate venue to combine those talent
Dedicated hard-working Rachel has visited her patronages once apiece in the last 18 months; Slightly more if you count the secret videotaped excursions to SmartWorks.

I think William helped his grandmother and pick these charities.With the express purpose of letting Rach know they saw right through her fraudulent self. It seems to have worked too Because she hasn’t been back. Narcs’ fragile egos cannot stand it when their Inferiorityhem. This is my friends is glorious shade!

As for the warm welcome to Canada from the prime minister and the mayor of Victoria, it’s very likely that they were Markled. Without a face-to-face meeting with the Harkles in their offices or pictures of the couple in front of recognizable landmarks, what prove beyond Megan’s word, via phone call or even my personal A text or email would they have that the Harkles were actually in the country? They wouldn’t demand proofs but take Meg’s at her word. If it comes out later that Harry was in rehab in the UK and Mag was actually yachting off Catalina When she called to describe the glories of Canadian nature from her rental in Saanich, Aren’t they going to feel silly?
Anonymous said…
I think the inclusion of Archie by the Queen and the Cambridges is insurance against ANY charges of racism against Ms. Markle. Let's assume that this child does not have Harry's DNA but Ms. Markle's DNA. I have believed from the very beginning that this was a surrogacy pregnancy. By adopting this child and taking him under their wings, they essentially are saying, we do not blame this child. He has been accepted into the royal family and he will stay in the royal family. What do they lose by keeping him in the family? Nothing. He has no title. I don't believe he will be inheriting Harry's title, and I also believe that should Harry remarry and have legitimate children of his own, poor Archie will be relegated to being at the bottom of the heap. They are doing the decent thing by accepting this child. That does not, IMO, mean that he is legitimate in their eyes. I can see them saying to themselves, the best way to punish her is to accept this child and scrub her from the royal family. They are SEPARATING her from what up to now has been her biggest leverage against them.

More important to me (moving forward), can they stop her merching the Sussex name? This is key. And the only way to stop this is to threaten her into accepting some sort of payoff with some fairly graphic dirt on her previous lifestyle choices. Or just release the information that she WASN'T pregnant and all that coat flicking and belly cupping was merely an act. That would cut her off at the knees and lose her any support (excepting the sugars, who seem clinically insane to me).
DesignDoctor said…
@Elle LOL
@Jen--perfect point. And how odd all the interactions have been with Archie. I thought MM showing up at the polo match in her olive drab dress clutching Archie was just so strange in that there was no interaction with the Cambridge cousins. What children have you ever seen who are not interested in a baby?
OKay said…
Just a point of order people - Vancouver Island/Saanich/Victoria are *not* close to Vancouver. I mean, they're on the same coast. But they are not in the same place.
DesignDoctor said…
@Hikari and @wizardwench Great posts!
@Hikari I agree that the Queen and William are masters at throwing subtle, but effective shade. I have also heard that Her Majesty is very witty and has a wicked sense of humor. The awarding of those patronages to MM is just brilliant!
@wizardwench As I posted earlier today on a different thread. I believe it is key to stop her from merching under Sussex Royal.

Hikari said…
Argh. “William helped his grandmother handpick Meg’s charities”... Leastways that’s my theory

“Narcs fragile egos cannot take it when their inferiority is held up to them”

I’ve noticed a quirk of my phone; anyone else experience this? I can enunciate slowly and clearly Into the microphone with the articulation of an Olivier. Yes I dictate my messages because typing is too slow. My phone acts like a Polish contractor and seems to understand one word in five. But should I whisper something to myself or Forget I’m recording and make some random comment to someone in the room, it transcribes every word perfectly. One of the reasons technology is so grand…
Anonymous said…
I watched the video again, and the one photo of PH & William together is with Chas, and it's a photo taken from behind, backs to us. That could be interpreted as King (of Shade) William throwing some. Ditto with Wimbledon, because even though that is a "happy" photo, the Wimbledon/Rach connection is not a positive one. And there is the football game showing W&K sitting with commoners. So, very subtle ways that could be subliminal shade. Another thing that the video does is show just how much my BFFs have done this year.

@CatEyes, Trial separation or (in Harry's case) The Great Escape, you might be right :) I don't think Rach even wants Archie, but if she does, she'd have to scramble to CA and wait 6 months, minimum, and I'm sure the BRF probably knows a guy who knows a guy who could squash that anyway. I wonder if the "security" is less about keeping her safe and more about keeping her under thumb. They've gotta know by now that she's merde of the bat crackers.
SwampWoman said…
Hunh. What kind of wine goes with popcorn? I'll just be over here on the sofa watching the train wreck with my feet up.

Elle is right, though, about southern manners. The more we hate somebody, the more polite we are. Maybe it is just because we put such a premium on good manners (people have been stabbed to death for cutting in line here which I perfectly understand and hope I won't be ever called to jury duty for).
HappyDays said…
Wow, nutty. If the info about Archie’ not being Harry’s child and the post from Ann on CDAN is accurate, then this is truly a bombshell of monumental proportions.

After reading through nutty’s post and all the comments, three things popped to mind that would fit with this storyline.

A) Due to his undescended testicle, (I remember when he had that surgery to retrieve it as a young child), Harry could very well be infertile, which is something he probably already knew. It could even be the reason for his past breakups, but Meghan was so determined that she figured she could fool everyone.

B) The next thing that came to mind was a comment from Harry during the Oceania tour when he jokingly brought up the possibility that the child Meghan was carrying wasn’t his. That was in poor taste, but it might have been true and a passive-aggressive statement that slipped out. Supposedly H&M were having loud arguments about the pregnancy during the tour that were overheard by security and service people.

It makes me wonder if Meghan decided to take matters into her own hands and get inseminated or IVF with her egg and donor sperm from someone who supposedly looked like Harry. After she was preggers, she sprung it on Harry and talked him into the scheme by saying nobody would ever find out. This would be a typical narc behavior because narcs think they are smarter than everyone and can fool anyone. Hence the secrecy surrounding the birth and lack of signatures.

C) One of torontopaper1’s recent tweets fits right in with the Harry-is-not-the-biological-father storyline.

The torontopaper1 tweet from Dec. 22, 2019:
Darling, your meal ticket is no longer valid. They have the proof now.
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Anonymous said…
LOL, and true, @Swampwoman! This is not a "thing" up here, however, and I've had people ask me how I can be so nice and calm with someone who is behaving so badly towards me, and I can honestly say "because I know how much they hate it, and there's nothing they can do about it. What will they accuse me of - being nice?" Now W&K can say the same thing, although just like @Hikari's dead-on, balls-accurate assessment of the patronages, the photos chosen do diss without dissing.
Anonymous said…
New article:
“ ITV REPORT 31 December 2019 at 2:48am
Baby Archie brought joy during a difficult year for Harry and Meghan”

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-31/baby-archie-brought-joy-during-a-difficult-year-for-harry-and-meghan/
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Anonymous said…
@Trudy, I didn't remember you sharing that about PH, but I am honestly glad to read it. I know that there are people who loathe him and think he and she are equally horrid, but I think it's more like I described in another comment, Damaged and Addicted Harry meets Life-Sucking Narcissist Meghan, trouble ensues.

I have also said, and now firmly believe, that plausible deniability is key and letting Rach blow herself up is the plan. Best way, I think.
I don’t believe the divorce rumors, honestly. I think Harry is still firmly in thrall, though it’s beginning to look increasingly like he’s the only one who is and the rest of them aren’t even really trying to hide it any longer. I also believe they are all in Canada together (Meg can’t afford to let her meal ticket(s) out of her sight for that long) and that they themselves leaked their location when it had been weeks of no one in the press really looking for them and Meg’s rehashed Insta posts celebrating the anniversary of her visiting one of her charities for 45 minutes weren't holding up against the multiple new outings and fresh pics of the Cambridge kids. Part of me thinks this time of them figuring things out is really them just crunching numbers and trying to decide if they can make enough from their various money schemes to tell the BRF to piss off. I wonder if the sudden re-emergence (hellooooooo, we’re in Canada! Hellooooo?) means they’ve decided they don’t have quite the nest egg they need. What if they actually had to pay for their own house and security? HORROR! I think the big battle of 2020 will be between the Sussexes and the BRF as the Sussexes continue to push the boundaries of what the BRF will put up with. For all the “Charles has balls now!” Stories that came out around the time he kicked Andrew to the curb, I honestly don’t think anyone when pressed really believes he has the heart to do the same to one of his own sons. Certainly Meghan and Harry don’t believe it, which is basically what this entire last year has been about.
Jdubya said…
I think Meg & Harry are still together and have Archie with them. Harry may need rehab but hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. He will when Megs leaves him. The 2 are in this together. She has a powerful hold on him but he is no innocent. The Queen mentioning Archie is (to me) proof that he is Harry’s child. Maybe not Meg’s? I’m still split on if she carried him or surrogate but lean towards surrogate because of all the games with the “bump”. There’s no doubt the baby has had one (if not more) DNA tests done. If Harry was complicate (in that he was infertile), then that might be a glitch for them but……. Archie looks so much like baby Harry that I believe it’s his.

Not sure where they were for Thanksgiving. I just feel she would’ve posted a pic with Doria if they were together. I can’t see D welcoming them in to her home for several weeks. Maybe were in LA working their contacts, Turkey Day somewhere private. Wouldn’t surprise me if they spent time in Canada with her contacts there.

A gal commented on DM? that her Aunt works Canadian Airlines and they flew to San Francisco on Xmas. Why would they fly on xmas day? And I think they are flying private.

But, I honestly don’t know. None of us do but the speculation can be interesting. I do wish people would stop making negative remarks about Archie and his appearance. Of everyone involved, he is the innocent one.
Jen said…
Oh yes...such a difficult year....whoa is me. Have they spent a year trying to figure out how they were going to pay their mortgage, or how they were going to put food on the table for their kids? Did they spend any time wondering whether or not they were going to be able to pay for healthcare for their family, or buy their kids new shoes? I'm sick of hearing about how rough a year they had when they have everything. These articles are sad and do nothing but make them look more pathetic.
Royal Fan said…
https://blindgossip.com/bring-me-my-numbers/#more-99890

This blind appears to be about Meghan and suggests she still thinks she is more popular than W&K. Did she hire more boys to surpass their numbers? How petty can she be?


HappyDays said…
Meghan’s last marriage didn’t make it to the two-year mark. She filed for divorce two or three months short of her second anniversary.

If this marriage also ends around the two-year mark, it seems a bit ironic that the marriage to the woman who, according to Harry, “just happened to fall into my life” is already on the rocks, but par for the course for a person with narcissistic personality disorder. Some narcissists are able to keep a marriage going for years, but for most of them, their marriages crash and burn in a relatively short time, often five to seven years. Marriages to narcissists tend to fall into the “match-made-in-hell” category.
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HappyDays said…
Nutty: Do you know if any information in past posts from Ann on CDAN has ended up being true? Just wondering about her accuracy rate. Thanks!
HappyDays said…
This also came to mind.

If it turns out that Harry isn’t Archie’s biological father and it is one big lie, then giving Archie the middle name Harrison for “Harry’s son” shows how narcissists will go to any length to attempt to sell a falsehood and keep the carefully-crafted facade they have created from crumbling down.
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Anonymous said…
I would love to know exactly why she is not allowed on the royal properties without a senior royal to escort her. (So many escort snarks pop into my head, but I'll skip them lol.) But if this is true, then it makes sense that the RPOs might be there to watch as much as protect.
Rut said…
I want to belive that rumour because I really dont like Meghan Markle, but Archie looks just like both Harry and "a Markle" so if the part of DNA-testing Archie is a lie everything else in that rumour must also be a lie.
Anonymous said…
@Royal Fan, Rach must be using new math. W&K have approximately 500K more followers. Watching side-by-side on Blastup, it looks like Kensington Palace is gaining at a steadier rate than the Dumbartons, but I'm going to check later and do the math. Unless something significant happens to slow or stop KP IG and increase Dumbartons at the same time, I don't see how Rach closes that gap. She's tried all the usual stuff, and still no broken internet for her. Just in the time I've been typing this, KP has gained 16 new followers and only 9 for the Sux.
Platypus said…
I read somewhere she was taking pictures of the inside of the palaces, possibly to post or sell, or both. The Royals are very limiting as to which rooms are allowed to be seen by the public.
Unknown said…
Unknown unknown here. @elle. It was said that marble was caught taking pictures of restricted areas of KP while she was dating Harry. It was said that she planned to sell them. It was said that Charles had her escorted to heathrow. Don’t know how accurate that story.

Also could someone tell me how to get a screen name so I’m not always unknown unknown. Thanks
Anonymous said…
@Unknown unknown, you just set up a google account. You can use one you have, but I wouldn't (doxxing). Then, you'll add a name.

I have hear that photo story, too, but it's pretty sad that they still don't trust her now that she's married in and taken the train with HMTQ (which I thought at the time was all for "see we like her, we really really do, and we're trying, we really, really are). Could it really only be because of the photos?
HappyDays said…
@Trudy: Thanks for the info regarding Ann on CDAN. I read it occasionally, but not enough to have any familiarity with any name other than when I see Nutty’s posts there.
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Great posts and comments. Thanks, everyone!
Re Harry's fertility: he could just have low fertility but MM being such a money-grubber, she wasn't going to bide her time and see if they could conceive together naturally or via IVF so she went ahead with the surrogate and possibly someone else besides Harry's DNA (trying to say it the nice way). I've also read several places that they had been overheard fighting in Australia and he asked her if she was really pregnant. I'm just assuming the surrogate was all her idea because he had no need to rush having a baby.
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Anonymous said…
@Glinda, it's good to see you back being a good bish lol!

I read somewhere that one of the agreements the Dumbartons made with the BRF in order to push the wedding through quickly was that the Dumbartons would not procreate right away. Maybe that was one reason for the fighting. Rachel also promised a bunch of other things. I wish I could remember where I read that. Has anyone else seen this?
Debra said…
I have said before that I hope Harry and MM get an annulment or divorced in 2020 so I really hope this rumour is true, however I have come to see MM as a human cockroach so getting rid of her will be very hard. Not only does she have no shame but she seems to have a supernatural ability to wriggle out of anything. I think the Palace has probably never met anyone like her and it's an "all hands on deck" situation just to be rid of her.
makescakes said…
Lurker here, and first time poster. I just had to say, I'm so glad that Harry gave Diana's fabulous engagement ring to William for Catherine. She wears it well, always classic in her appearance and I thank goodness that Harry will not be king!
Madge said…
Sorry if this is duplicate information.......there is a new entry on Harry Markle in which the timeline and events around the peculiar Christmas e-card are dissected. Very interesting reading!!
Sandie said…
I think we are so used to seeing peculiar behaviour and hearing peculiar announcements that normal has become suspect.

Do I need to list all the things that are peculiar about Meghan and Harry (including disappearing for more than 6 weeks now and not even turning up for the Queen's Christmas lunch at Buckingham Palace)? Meghan, why was it so important for Archie to Meet Tutu, and be photographed doing so, but not important for Archie to attend his first Christmas lunch at Buckingham Palace with the Queen of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth realms, plus her consort and direct and indirect heirs .. they who have given you the status you are so smug about and given you access to the wealth you love so much? This to me is major and shows her as either mentally in a very bad place and thus has been sent off for treatment, or so rude, greedy, disrespectful, stupid and arrogant that it is mind boggling.

However, the Cambridges should not be painted with the same brush. William may be annoyed with his brother (even furious) and may not like his sister-in-law at all, but Harry IS his brother and William is not going to throw him under the bus, nor Archie. Kate may not like Meghan nor want to be friends with her or work with her, but Kate does not ghost inconvenient family members and she seems to prefer everyone to just get along and behave. Of course they are going to feature the Sussexes in their annual review (although Pippa's son has never been featured, nor have any of them been photographed with him, so this is about royalty and duty). Harry and Archie are heirs and close members of the BRF (in terms of how they are related) and I think both William and Kate would want cousins to grow up together and for everyone to get together happily at family occasions. The Cambridges were not sending secret messages via their annual review but continuing as normal (a staff member probably chose what they thought were the best photographs featuring the Sussexes as part of the BRF) and treating Harry not only as a beloved brother but one who is close to the throne (and thus important in the BRF) and who has an awful wife that they are going to put up with (the BRF do not ghost family members, no matter what they do).

Meghan seems to not want to fit in, and she so obviously does not. Her initial attempts were actually quite sad (and, yes, the media did pick over every detail, much of which was unimportant and Meghan should have just let go and done what she said she does, but obviously does not, accept valid criticism and make changes). William was right ... they should have waited to get married, for at least a few years, instead of subjecting everyone to the shell shock of 'hit the ground running to achieve my goals and don't care how much destruction I cause' Meghan joining the family. Harry may have married Meghan because he was in love and believed he loved her, but marrying her so quickly was a very unloving thing to do to his family.
Sandie said…
Omid Scobie was right in that there is a major announcement from the Cambridges at KP...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-william-kates-big-21189560.amp

William and Kate are not superficial in the work they do and they take the time and do the research to find the right partners, for the project and not publicity. I think this will make a difference.

I like the positive approach and the lack of superficial word salad (and is this why the Queen focused on the moon landing in her Christmas speech ... maybe senior royals are working closely together, ah Megsy, you have missed the boat entirely and Harry is left behind with you!)
CookieShark said…
There is a clip circulating now from the Women's event MM attended in her black and white short dress back when she was expecting.

She is asked if she reads Twitter.
Very rudely she replies, "Sorry! No," but she is bobbing her head up and down as she responds. Then she follows up with a ride "I read the Economist, I'll give you that."

I cannot imagine speaking with such contempt as a guest at an event, especially in her capacity. This was the first time I saw this clip. It would be rude in any social situation, but is even more so in a professional one. She reacts with such disdain at the question. One is left with the impression that she does read Twitter and she doesn't like what sees.
abbyh said…

What an interesting read.

I have some comments.

Perhaps the mention in the HM's speech is an extension of "see how we have made efforts to include". It would make the reveal of not of the body (if true) more cutting. This would be in line with how HM plays ball.

The mention that MM plays dirty on the mat and wounded is the most dangerous + shade by hand picking her charities> I think as spot on. (snicker, snicker). Very nice.

I wouldn't be shocked if part of why the quiet is a set up for Baby 2? This time not of the surrogate but her for real? It would side step the problem of the body (as long as it was both of them) and firmly tighten her grip into them. IVF is not a guarantee for placement and it tends to be a kind of drawn out process.


Early posts on Harry Markle speculated as to whether MM was `placed' in Harry's way by those with devious ulterior motives, something to do with Soho House perhaps? Markus Anderson?

Many other thoughts that have crossed my mind including: money laundering via Royal accounts; siphoning money from Royal accounts; republican subversion of the RF; or a campaign in the Murdoch-Maxwell media war.

Thank goodness, then, that MM follows that other cast-iron rule of narcissists: Nobody, Absolutely Nobody, Tells Me What To Do. If there was a deep plot, she's gone rogue on the lot of 'em!

Back to the `pregnancy'- Harry was reported as asking her `Is it it mine?'

If Archie, whoever he is, has been quietly adopted by one of HM's grandchildren, it doesn't matter tuppence who his biological parents are. It's all been rather Gilbert & Sullivan - M has been poncing around like the Duchess of Plaza Toro whereas in Archie's case there could be echoes of Major General Stanley, who described himself as descended from a noble family `by purchase'.

What matters, above all, is that Archie has a truly loving family. Whether harry can recover
is another matter.
harrythetwat said…
Travalyst is making a lot more,sense to me now. Harry and Meghan are trying to win an Earthshit prize😁
harrythetwat said…
Zearthshot, sorry! Spell check sucks.
Louise said…
Sandie: Thanks for the link to the article about Earthshot. Clearly HM was alluding to this in her Christmas speech when she talked about the environment being the challenge that brings together the younger generations. At the time, it seemed like a throw away line meant to make her seem woke but now we see that, together with the moon landing reference, this was a coordinated effort with Kensington palace.

Very savvy. Bravo.
Piroska said…
I had missed the 2 DM articles to which you refer. Perhaps RF could persuade one of DMs rival to resurrect questions on Viscount Rothermere's somewhat dubious tax status; surely since he himself pays very little it is unwise to cas aspersions on others
Louise said…
Re Earthshot: I also noted the professional quality of the short video, unlike the DIY things that the Sussexes come up with. This is why one hires professionals instead of posting on Instagram.
Liver Bird said…
Earthshot is another example of the Cambridges doing what royals should be doing.

No whining, no getting your 'friends' to tell the press how you don't use plastic bags, no telling the plebs what to do, no teaming up with commercial entities, no making it all about you, no 'collaborations' with non-British 'celebrities' and... have I missed anything?

The Cambridges have really been bringing their 'A' game this past year. Only shows up how dismal the Harkles are. Meghan who?
Felicia said…
Forgive me if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but it seems people are missing the bombshell in Torontopaper1’s latest Tweet.

TP is stating in a cheeky and careful way (which I think caused most people to miss the meaning) that Farklepants at one point during her escorting years was the type of prostitute who would happily engage in “golden showers.” Which totally make sense because Kim Kardashian has always been her idol, and Kim only got famous because of a porn tape her mother aggressively marketed during which Kim receives a golden shower from the rapper she is having sex with in the video. This lewd act became popular after Kim’s video sold a gazillion copies, and more and more prostitutes were being asked to do them. Many had too much pride to shame themselves and degrade themselves that way, but wealthy men, especially many Middle Eastern men, were requesting this and paying extra money for it.

Farklepants was also said by CDAN to have been originally wanting to get on a UK reality show ( she wanted this even more than Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which she was rejected for.) Obscenely wealthy Middle Eastern men literally “shop” for women from watching UK reality shows. The women sometimes have to agree to become “Dubai porta potties” like poor Lindsay Lohan to make the big bucks, but some are lucky enough to be set up as mistresses. This is what Farklepants was ultimately aspiring to. Plans changed along the way when she thought she could be more “legit” marrying Harry but implement a Kardashian marching strategy while with Harry.

She’s not too smart, thinking that that would work.

Torontopaper hints at photos and/or video evidence of her golden shower days.

Stay tuned!
Louise said…
To add: I saw on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) website that:

"The Earthshot initiative comes after more than a year of consultations with over 60 organizations and experts."

This is how you do it. Patience, something that the Smirkles don't have.
Louise said…
Felicia: Toronto Papers is a troll site, in my opinion. I stopped reading it months ago as it was just announcements of things to come that never arrived.
Liver Bird said…
Yup Toronto Papers has been saying 'Boom! The end is nigh darling' for about a year now, and.... nothing.
Louise said…
Liver Bird: Haha. You made me laugh. Yes, indeed I recall the "boom" and then... nothing.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Trudy, there's the illicit photo taking but also the secret diary where she writes everything to use later against the BRF. How can anyone feel comfortable around her when you know it will show up later in the press or worse, in negotiations?

A channel on youtube belongs to someone who was an editor at one of those gossip mags in the USA, I forget which one. She says that before Meghan arrived in the BRF, there was never any source of gossip about them in the USA. Now, it's a non-stop diluvian flood and she attributes that to Meghan (but has no proof).
Lemonfrog said…
Hi Nutty,
Glad you’re back. I doubt the story about Archie:why would the BRF have custody of Archie if he wasn’t Harry’s son? Not to mention Archie looks exactly like Harry with brown eyes. I don’t thin MM would be that stupid - she would know the DNA had better be a match. The kid is her meal ticket. I admit to being fascinated with all the misdirecting information. Classic Harkle. I’m not sure if I believe Harry is in rehab either, although he certainly should be. Cambridge’s continue to shine, did anyone else notice how the DM stated that PW encourages “other members of his family to participate”? Hmm. Olive branch to PH? All very confusing. Just the way the Harkles like it. I’m more curious than I should be! Happy New Year!!
Liver Bird said…
I think it's fitting that the Eeathshot project was announced today.

Because you simply could not get a better contrast to the shambolic Harkles.

Take a look at the website. Highly professional with an upbeat 'can do' message. No whining or pointing fingers at the plebs. 4 months on and still nobody has a clue what the "Travalyst" project is meant to be about. But this Earthshot initiative, backed by millions of pounds (and I doubt they'll have trouble getting more backers) and in partnership with one of the most respected men in Britain, Sir David Attenborough, is the real deal. The CB idiots can snipe at the Cambridges for being 'lazy' but this is an initiative with real substance that's going to be around for yers.

Someone please stick a fork in the Harkles. They're done.
Sandie said…
Help! If you go to the Earthshot Prize website,you will find a logo right at the bottom of the page: a crown with initials underneath. What are the initials?

https://earthshotprize.org/
Girl with a Hat said…
@ Lemonfrog, I am not sure that Archie is Harry's son. My brother's ex gf showed photos of her son and my brother as babies and they looked identical. A DNA test later showed that they didn't share any DNA. I think babies tend to have the same features because they have these round little faces and the nose shape isn't as pronounced as in adults.

The reason that the BRF would have custody of Archie is because she claims that the little one is a member of the BRF, so for optics. They don't want to look like they are the cast of Survivor and that Archie got voted off the island.

Secondly, they may not have known for some time, because they had to get some reliable samples and Markle surely wasn't going to cooperate on this.

Thirdly, they may just feel sorry for the little guy who officially at least, has the world's biggest narcissist as a mother.
Girl with a Hat said…
@LiverBird, I disagree. I think something happened behind the scenes because it was at this point that the arc of the Markle saga changed completely.

Even Meghan herself changed drastically in appearance and behaviour at this point.

We aren't privy to everything that happens and a lot is happening now, we can be sure of that.
DesignDoctor said…
@Sandie That's a good question! PW for Prince William?
lizzie said…
@Unknown,

I don't know that Harry would have expected to win recognition for Travalyst in W&K's Earthshot campaign. (A bit incestuous if he does.)

I think Travalyst was mostly what it looked like at the time-- an effort to draw attention away from H&M's own travels that have never been especially eco-friendly. (If nothing else, they claimed to have seen each other at least every 2 weeks while living on different continents when dating for 1 1/2 to 2 years.)

It's possible H&M knew about the developing Earthshot project and wanted to beat W&K to the punch as an extra perk. But given how chaotic the Travalyst roll-out was, I think it's what it looked like at the time. And even now, 4 months after the launch, it's unclear exactly how a consumer would use Travalyst. The website looks slick now but it's mostly slogans and stats with a spot enticing people to join their email list.
DesignDoctor said…
Travalyst looks amateur in comparison.
@lizzie I agree with your assessment n effort to draw attention away from H&M's own travels that have never been especially eco-friendly.
H&M were receiving a lot of bad press at the time for traveling via private jets.
3culprits said…
@Sandie: The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
DesignDoctor said…
@3Culprits Thank you for the clarification!
hunter said…
@Sandie - I also took a good hard look at those "initials" and can only surmise it *does* look vaguely like a PW for Prince William.

hunter said…
Ah 3Culprits is correct - if you go to the Royal Foundation page: https://www.royalfoundation.com/

They draw that logo before the page opens. I don't hate it - kinda reminds me of Prince's insignia.
MustySyphone said…
@Mischi: I think that when the Harkles trotted out the copy of the birth certificate, six weeks after the fact , it was to show that Archie was legally theirs. Using a surrogate in UK is different than US. The baby is the surrogate's child for the first six weeks and then is adopted by the parents using the surrogate's services. The birth certificate is changed to show these as the birth parents. Therefor Archie may (or may not) be biologically Harry's but he is most certainly legally Harry's. So the BRF has custody not because she claims he's a member of BRF but because legally he is a member of BRF (though perhaps not biologically a member of BRF). Quite the sticky wicket. Good job "pooping" on your family Harry. Well done!
Jen said…
Well this may not be the time or place for this comment, but the UK really needs to change their surrogacy laws. When two biological parents cannot have children, and they use a surrogate, they should not have to adopt their own biological child. Nor should the surrogate have the option to keep a child that is not biologically theirs. That seems like such a weird law.
SirStinxAlot said…
If Archie was born by a surrogate, it makes the comments MM made about embryonic kicking inside her even more disturbing. I believe it was at the panel event when she wore the short black/white Reiss dress on international women's day and you could see the folding tummy.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen, no, I like the British law. I think the woman who went through the pregnancy feels the emotional attachment and vice-versa with the child. The DNA is secondary, and not everything. Science in the past few years has tried to define DNA as the end all to everything. It's not.
Jen said…
@Mischi, I respect your opinion but I disagree. DNA is everything... I have a hard time understanding your logic here. If the court systems can use DNA to prove your guilt or innocence in a crime, then it means something. If the courts can use DNA to force you to pay child support, then it means something. But to say that DNA should not be considered with surrogacy, that is asinine.

I'm sorry for hijacking, it was just something I've been thinking about a lot since this whole surrogacy discussion was first introduced. I can't imagine ever wanting to use a surrogate in the UK if there is any chance that your biological child would not end up being yours at the end.
JHanoi said…
I don’t think H & M will divorce this year.i think they’ll go another few years.
I think the big decision for PH & MM and the Queen/ PC in 2020 are whether they continue to live off the Sovereign Grant and basically be government employees with all the benefits and pitfalls or will they decide to forgo the taxpayer money, do their own thing , merching, some charity work, working/ selling themselves, etc for money. The way they are going now they are opening up themselves and the BRF for lots of scandel like PA, and even some of the other minor royals who have sold pictures/ access for money.

Imo, you can’t fault some of the minor royals too much for merching/ endorsing things for money. They need to live too and were brought up in a much different standard of living than the rest of us. It’s not like they were ever really encouraged to be academic and cure cancer or become physicists. Most don’t live off the sovereign grant, and when PC slims down the RF more, some will retire. Unless they marry well, their options to make money are limited or different than the general public.
CookieShark said…
Watched the Queen's Commonwealth Trust video today because I'm off. It's hard to follow MM's word salad, but within the first 22 minutes of the video she manages to talk more than anyone else. She is seated in the center and thanks everyone for coming, as if she were moderating the panel. MM goes on about advocating for education for women. She is also quick to cut off other panelists and talks about how lack of sanitary pads "propels disease and other symptoms" (?)

Sometimes what she says really doesn't make sense. The moderator, at one point, politely says she would be "keeping things moving" (I'm paraphrasing) and I think MM did not like that.

I didn't realize this, but the moderator of this discussion works for the Economist, Anne McElvoy. In light of this, her rude response "I read the Economist, I'll give you that" is much worse. MM's word salad and inarticulate speech is very apparent alongside the rest of these very poised, accomplished women.
Anonymous said…
@mustysyphone you are wrong though. Archie was born on May 6, 2019 and the birth certificate was file on May 17, 2019. That is not 6 weeks later.
lizzie said…
Jen,

There are no federal surrogacy laws in the US either. States laws vary widely. In NY, compensated surrogacy is still illegal. First offense carries a fine. (A bill to change that failed recently.) In Indiana, surrogacy contracts are legally "void and unenforceable." In Michigan, compensated surrogacy is a crime. Pennsylvania has few laws but usually if not contested, the baby can be adopted by the genetic parents. Utah permits surrogacy but contracts must receive court approval. Orders to enforce occur post-birth.
So it's complicated many places.
Jen said…
Thanks @Lizzie... I don't want to hijack this thread with surrgiacy legal talk, but I do appreciate that information.

@Cookie she was extremely rude through that entire event. I think that's when we saw the real narcassist at work.
Anonymous said…
I guess that proves no surrogate? Archie was born at Portland Hospital and his BC was filed by Harry 11 days later.
xxxxx said…
Cookie Shark mentioned the The Queen's Commonwealth Trust International Women's Day Panel (vid on you tube) My money is on the one with the beret and (exaggeratedly large) hound's tooth(s) on the jacket for more effective world salad. M and her were very sympatico there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2166&v=6GDsdm0uyQg&feature=emb_logo
CookieShark said…
It has been a very interesting rewatch. MM does not have any statistical information or "hard facts" to share with the rest of the panel. At least twice she uses a phrase we heard in SA, "different versions of the same thing." A close rewatch reveals that she emphasizes women's education (ok, but what else) throughout the discussion. She appears unable to answer any of the difficult questions. At the hour mark, she gets asked a tough question, and she appears unprepared. Two other panelists make the remark that education is not the only answer. MM takes a dig at either the moderator or another panelist (I'm unsure which) who mentions that "feminism" is a trending concept currently.
MustySyphone said…
@Drab I am going by what was posted publicly in front of BP on an eisel (as is custom).

Please show receipts for your claim as well as documentation that birth was witnessed by royal physicians as is required by Constitutional law in order for the baby to be considered royal (goes back to 1700s). There were no signatures on the posted birth announcement. Again, as is custom.

not trying to pick a fight but you occassionally come across as aggressive towards those who have different opinions than you and are one of two reasons i haven't posted before now.
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xxxxx said…
Cookie Shark - We all know talk is cheap. Is MM an exemplar of this or what? Especially when InstaG posting equals talk. As in MM can mention a charity there and MM get rated as "concerned" "involved" and she is golden. At least in her own mind, 'cause this kinda happy talk BS must be wearing thin these days.
Anonymous said…
@musty I’m sorry you chose to see my comment as aggressive. You stated Archie’s birth certificate wasn’t filed until after 6 weeks and that is not true. It was filed 11 days later and was correctly done per English laws. The media paid for copies of it and it’s a done deal.

The queen likely knows who the doctor is. No where in the law does it state the public has the right to know.
Thanks, @Elle! I never miss a post and I try to keep up with all the comments but since everyone is so smart I hardly ever have anything to add.

@Mischi, I agree with you about the baby looking like Meg or Harry or having the Markle nose, etc. It's easy to see almost anyone in a baby's face, babies all have baby features. My two daughters look nothing alike now but sometimes when I look at their baby pictures I have to look at the date to figure out which one it is.

@SirStinxAlot, there are so many comments that are going to look absolutely psychotic if and when it comes out that she used a surrogate, remember the senior citizens home where she was wearing the square bump and shifting in her seat commenting how she was feeling very pregnant? In another day and age she would have been locked up by now!
Anonymous said…
@xxxxxx, I disagree about the woman in the black & white jacket (Adwoa Aboah). She is leaning away from Rach and almost touching Annie Lennox as a result. She couldn't get further away, and that body language says it all. She also rolls her eyes at several times and never really makes eye contact with Rach. Her clapping is minimal, and she often stares ahead. In addition, when she does look towards Rachel when Rach is babbling, there is the faintest look of contempt, I think. I think that the sympatico moment was forced nodding, but not true comraderie of any sort. At least that is my take from watching with words and sound off to see. And why is this important lol? It's not, except that Rach was such an embarrassing fool that day that I hate to see any woman lumped in with her.
KayeC said…
If Archie was found not to be PH's biological child, I think this gives the BRF everything they need, if they are trying to get rid of MM. She would have to take whatever settlement they offered and go away quietly or they would expose to the world that she is a fraud and faked her pregnancy. (Could that be treason?) I think including him shows that no matter what, they will support him. What could she do? Tell the world the BRF have her baby and it's not Harry's so give him back....this would mean she would have to tell the world she is a liar and fooled PH and the BRF.

I am not 100% convinced it's not their DNA, but I am convinced completely she was never pregnant. And I agree with @Elle and @Swampwoman, killing them with kindness, and showing good manners just exposes how tacky and horrible MM and PH have been to the rest of the family this past year.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen, you are mixing up two issues. Yes, DNA can identify you to a certain extent. Provided you are not an identical twin or a recipient of a transplant or bone marrow graft.

But DNA is only half of what determines how you will develop.

Have you ever heard of nature versus nurture? Well, the emphasis on DNA wanted to put nature as the only factor as to how a person turns out. The science of epigenetics, i.e. how the environment, including the environment in the womb, and the latest developments in attachment theory (how attachment affects a person for life), show that DNA can be altered by the environment, the events, and even the feelings a person experiences.

They say that a descendant of a Holocaust survivor has been influenced by the experiences of his/her ancestor.

And, clones of cats look nothing like the original because of environmental factors in the womb. They aren't even the same colour.

Attachment theory shows that the connections we make when we are very young are what most influence our behaviour for the rest of our lives. How does taking a child from the woman who gave birth to him and who gives off the hormones and smells to connect to the child, affect the child for the rest of their lives? I think the child will always feel a sense of loss. The connection through DNA may exist but I don't think it's ever been proven.
Artemisia19 said…
Can anyone post The Telegraph article?
Girl with a Hat said…
@Drabredcarpet, the birth certificate filing was done after what they CLAIM is the child's birth. We have no proof that is the day the child was indeed born. The birth certificate isn't even signed, so they can write anything they want and not be guilty of filing a false document. The names are all typed in, including the official's and Harry's.
Royal Fan said…
This is a reply I came across in response to a blind on blind gossip posted 12/30 about Meg and Harry and I thought it was pretty funny. I would add that poor Archie is going to forced to compete with his cousins via his mother too and be totally miserable if he’s normal or she’ll warp his mind so much that he believes her and she makes him a mini me.
The
Skillaty says
December 30, 2019 at 6:15 pm

Couple: Megan and Harry

In Laws: The Cambridge’s, the real heirs to the throne.

[Optional] Which couple in that family is more valuable? The Cambridge’s. Harry and Megan have already been slammed by papers and told they are constitutionally irrelevant and actually the true minor royals. Megan is going to be that insane, aging auntie in a personal battle with George, Charlotte, and Louis trying to be more popular than them on social media too. Megan is unhinged.
Lemonfrog said…
@Mischi I respect your comments and point of view but I don’t agree on the Archie thing. I should probably state that I’m American of U.K. (British, Irish and Scottish) ancestry. I’m not a U.K. citizen and I’ve read extensively about the history of the BRF (total Anglophile). My understanding is that the reason for the “men in grey” and all the courtiers for centuries before this is to maintain the family line of the the throne. I have no doubt that MM has the lack of scruples and the duplicity to try and fool
Anyone about anything. But the BRF has been on guard against this sort of thing since the beginning of time. I’d still expect her to realize that it would have to be 100% accurate. Too easy to check. And let’s face it, a royal child is exactly the reason she can’t be pitched in the trash. Love comes and goes. PH may tire of her but she can’t be relegated to the trash heap if she’s the mother of a child in the line of succession.

Does anyone recall the CDAN blind that came out just prior to Eugenie's wedding about how the alliterate royal had told her ex husband that she didn’t even know if she could conceive due to medical issues but she had apparently “employed science” to become so and it would be announced just prior to the Australian tour? I’m sure I’ve garbled the words but the message is the same.

Anyway - peace to all. I’m sure 2020 will be interesting.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Elle

Meghan speaks French, Spanish and possibly German?

I don't think so... She was in Argentina a few weeks, not even 3 months. And where would she learn to speak French? I know people who have spent years taking courses and still don't speak it. As for German, I see absolutely no information about her even learning the language. The wife of the German President speaks English, so they can converse in the language of Shakespeare.

And, the woman on the balcony was the wife of the German President, as the Chancellor of Germany is Angela Merkel.
Anonymous said…
Anyway, I guess we will all see over 2020 if anything happens. I read last night she wants complete creative control over their foundation so that spells trouble anyway because she doesn’t take advice from people.
SirStinxAlot said…
I do believe she speaks Spanish and French. Canadians speak French and English. I also saw her on a late night show speaking Spanish. Jimmy Kimmel I think. Never heard anything about German. However, after she got engaged she said she was trying to learn Italian.
xxxxx said…
Elle, Reine des Abeilles said...

I just watched the Earthshot video, and all I can say is WOW. The time, the planning, the coordination, the vision -- it's all there. HMTQ did hint at this in her Christmas speech (she chooses words wisely; they're never random) and I love that Chas & Philip were consulted about this as well.

As we all know, Chas has been concerned about the environment for years, and I see this as not only a brilliant new move forward, but as a culmination of the work and study that was done for many years by Chas. For many years, he was considered a little loony for his love of the planet and concern for the environment, and now, turns out, he was just a visionary. (Also, he lets red squirrels into Highgrove, so he gets wildlife points from me!)


I will give many points to your Chas for managing his Duchy of Cornwall. He is a man of the land and desperately wants Will to follow him in this and so far so good/ You can see this reflected in Katherine getting George involved in outdoors boy scout type of activities. I actually believe your Chas (I am having fun here) has hammered a few nails there and done some grunt labor for exercise if nothing else. I did not see the UK mini documentary on this. If it is on you tube I will watch it. But the image I saw is Prince soon to be King Chas is willing to banter in the best way possible with the "peasants" who rent on his land and get physically involved in fences etc.

Finally, global Greta warming is nonsense. But.
lizzie said…
Meghan's acting resume said she was "fluent" in Spanish and "proficient" in French. It also said she could manage dialects from the southern US, Argentina, and a few other places.

I can believe she could speak Spanish, at least back then. It's not terribly unusual for people growing up in LA to learn Spanish. LA County has the largest population of Spanish speakers of any county in the US. http://www.laalmanac.com/population/po48s.php

But I'm not sure what French "proficiency" means. A few courses in high school? German? I sincerely doubt it.
Girl with a Hat said…
@ SirStinxALot - Meghan is not Canadian, if you recall. Also, I dare you to find anyone in Toronto who speaks more than two words of French. 90% of bilingual Canadians are French Canadians who speak English, not vice-versa. For some reason, French doesn't get taught well in Canada. I know lots of Swiss Germans who can converse in French after not speaking it for years. In Canada, the only words most English Canadians can say in French are "Parlez-vous français?".

She may have picked up a few words of Spanish living in L.A. but let's be honest - the word salad she uses in English shows that she's not gifted for language.
Sandie said…
Meghan has exaggerated everything on her CV and her bio when she joined the BRF. In her old CV, she claims the following: 'Fluent in Spanish, French proficiency, dialects (Southern, French, Spanish, Argentine)'

1. She served an internship at the American embassy in Buenos Aires (arranged by her uncle, and she did not seem to complete this ... maybe an upcoming biography will uncover the real story), and studied for one semester in Madrid (probably both financed by her father). I doubt that Meghan is fluent in Spanish from that limited experience.

2. French was probably a subject at school. Proficiency is defined as 'a high degree of skill; expertise'. I doubt this. She does not seem to have travelled in France pre-Harry and this CV was compiled before she went to live in Canada (but would she speak French in Toronto anyway?), plus there was a gushing claim in the media that she was going to improve her French as one of her goals when new to the BRF.

3. There is no indication that she can speak or understand German.

If Meghan were to be authentic, she would drop all the hyperbole about her career, accomplishments and expertise (and all the humanitarian stuff) and simply live a life of merching, blogging and influencing. She aims too high. Maybe in 2020 she will get real, leave the BRF and become her version of a Kardashian.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Lizzie, in my experience, very few Anglos (as we call them) learn to speak any language even when living in a country where everyone speaks something else. I know of hundreds of English and Americans who have lived for decades in France, Switzerland, Germany, Singapore and Japan who cannot have a basic conversation in the native tongue.

That happens when your language is the international language.
Sandie said…
An interesting post giving evidence for Meghan using bots on her Tig blog, but having actual very little organic interest in her (compare the number of comments Nutty gets for every post ... Meghan never got even a tenth of that, until she outed that she was sleeping with Harry!):

https://bella2491.tumblr.com/post/187100269387/how-do-you-spot-a-bot
hunter said…
A note on surrogacy - while I don't think any US laws would prevent MM from securing a surrogate, there may be some leeway when it comes (state to state in USA) to the concept of "compensation."

I have donated eggs and have a bunch of satellite babies out there. Last year they pulled out a freezer baby and I spoke to the nice woman who would carry it for legal reasons. We had a Skype call. Yes so the parents bought a surrogate egg AND a surrogate, bless them.

That said, when I asked what she got out of the surrogacy, she said she liked being pregnant (already had 2 kids and had one prior surrogacy), that her body handled pregnancy well, her husband didn't mind and yada yada.

She said all of her pregnancy expenses and healthcare were covered by the recipient couple. I was like "... but ...??" and she said this extended to things like massages and other types of pampering (I was looking for ANY perks). She may have mentioned $60,000 fee but I'm not sure if I'm remembering it wrong. Nice lady. She is in California. Agency in Vegas, I live in NYC (satellite office here).

Let's hope we didn't accidentally breed babies for one of Enty's baby farms. Ha!

Fairy Crocodile said…
@Nutty

I would be so very glad if you are right. Megs presence in the royal family did nothing but divide, exactly the opposite to what had been hoped.

The Queen "welcoming" Archie in her Christmas speech suggests she still accepts him as a great-grandson, so how likely is the DNA opposing he is Harry's child? It would be easy just to avoid mentioning him at all.

Wills and Kate's presentation video on 2019 included Dumbartons, be it a good grace or an olive branch I do not know.

Perhaps the above is what is called "a good face during a bad game". Fingers crossed it is. But I think you are spot on with Harry being in rehab. Hope once his brain is operational again he would be able to look at his partner in life more realistically.

The recent press about MM is priceless. Without openly slaying her they managed to publish an absolute avalanche of unflattering images, stories and allegations. I do not see it stopping. What a stupid thing MM had done
Jen said…
@Mischi... very interesting regarding nature versus nurture. I'm not disregarding what you're saying, however I was not referring to anything but DNA being the sole reason why you are the biological parents and that should give you more rights. To me, its a form of kidnapping...

As to your point about taking a child away from the person who gave birth to them and them being affected for the rest of their lives...I can only say the adoptees I know dont seem to be affected. So again, that may go back to the nature/nurture... if they are raised in a loving household, with loving parents, they're going to grow up just fine.

Interesting subject though...but for anither blog. Lol ..sorry again!
Nutty Flavor said…
Good evening to all, and Happy New Year to those who have celebrated or will be celebrating soon!

Re: Meghan's French language abilities. The only time we've seen her speak French was in Morocco, where she stumbled while speaking to some schoolgirls - I seem to remember that her side of the conversation was rather Google Translate-y. I doubt she is proficient in either Spanish or French. Languages are like plants - you have to constantly maintain them to keep them alive - and there is no evidence she's done any language work since leaving university nearly two decades ago.

Re: Why the Queen would mention Archie in her Christmas speech. The US is a major "market" for the Royals - certainly for Royal charity fundraising - and the Queen and her courtiers know that there is already a media storyline in some US media that Meg is being mistreated in the UK because she is biracial. Not so important right now, since Meg hasn't proved particularly popular in the US despite Sunshine Sachs' best efforts (One of the 10 best-dressed in 2019, according to US Vogue?), but when she eventually gets kicked out of the family, it could take root as part of the departure storyline. Heaven forbid the Royal family be "cancelled" and become embarrassing for the wealthy to be associated with.

The Queen needs to reiterate that she and the family are doing everything possible to make Meghan feel welcome, even if Meg isn't enjoying her Royal experience, as per her statements in the documentary. A brief glimpse of Archie, Meg, and (importantly) Doria in the Christmas speech is the least she can do to show her non-racist bonafides. "Queen excludes Meghan" isn't a good headline.

Nutty Flavor said…
Also, a couple of quick thoughts on Earthshot, William and Kate's environmental awards:

- The Royal Family thinks that young people care about the environment, and that Earthshot will make the royals relevant to a new generation. The young people I know care about the environment, but they also care about K-pop, Love Island, eSports, high-end sneakers and other topics the Royals are unlikely to start a foundation about. I think journalists and politicians want to believe that young people care about the environment more than they actually do. FWIW I am in touch with teenagers every day.

- Swedish and Norwegian royalty get to preside over the glittering Nobel Prize ceremonies every year. Perhaps the British Royal Family wants its own fancy ceremony to match.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Cat Eyes You brought up a good point by saying the Queen only referred to "welcoming the eighth great - grandchild" into the family, without naming him.

Anybody remembers if she ever mentioned her other great-grandchildren publicly by name?
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Nutty

I believe you are right about the Queen's "including" and "welcoming" Meghan. With her strategy the one who looks ungrateful and petty is Meghan, for refusing Queen's invitations twice, slanting British in general and dragging Harry away from his possibly critically ill grandfather, despite all RF efforts to welcome her.

You nailed it. What a relief, Queen's benevolence was bothering me.
lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile,
Last year the Queen said
"With two weddings and two babies and another child expected soon..." So no, names weren't mentioned for Louis or Lena.

I think it would have been quite odd not to mention the birth of Harry's son this year. No matter what is going on behind the scenes.
Anonymous said…

And, the woman on the balcony was the wife of the German President, as the Chancellor of Germany is Angela Merkel.


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@Nutty, I'd like to believe that more than just teens and young people care about the environment. It seems to be a great concern in the US 2020 election issues as well (some rating it over 40%). I (very idealistically) would like to believe that it's more than just than just an appeal to young people. But you're probably right lol.
Anonymous said…
So true, @Fairy Crocodile,

With her strategy the one who looks ungrateful and petty is Meghan, for refusing Queen's invitations twice, slanting British in general and dragging Harry away from his possibly critically ill grandfather, despite all RF efforts to welcome her.


Exactly the reason why, when someone treats us abysmally, we cannot respond in kind. (Damn it all!) And that is the reason that I know @Swampwoman might have empathy for the person who stabbed someone for cutting in line, but would not vote to acquit because it's even worse manners to stab someone for having bad manners. (Damn it all again!)
Fairy Crocodile said…
@lizzie
Thank you, how very interesting. I managed to find a reference to the picture of prince Louise on Queen's table during the last Christmas speech "In her Christmas speech, she said: "Closer to home, it’s been a busy year for my family, with two weddings and two babies, and another child expected soon. It helps to keep a grandmother well occupied." She also proudly placed a portrait of Louis on her desk while she made the speech".

So Louise may be placed there because he is what? sixth in the succession? or may be because he is a son of the future heir. No pic of Archie despite mentioning him.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Oh Elle,
how often I wish I could learn to behave with killing kindness and deathly politeness towards nasty people we all meet from time to time. It is difficult in the short term but much more effective in the long run!
Sandie said…
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6v_KOtJinF/

It's the Sussex review of 2019 but it includes a photograph of Harry with Archie. It's a lovely photograph, in colour, and it looks very cold where they are!
CatEyes said…
@FariryCrocodile

Yes, the Queen specifically mentioned the birth and Christening of Prince George by name in her 2013 Christmas speech.

In 2015, Price Charlotte and 2017 Prince Louis Prince Louise But I am researching whether they were mentioned specifically by name. Stiil reading....

Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen, I respect your opinion but I think that our relationships, and our state of mind depend more than on DNA. Hormones and pheromones create pathways in the brain that stay with us for a long time.

More research has to be done on the effect of removing a child from their birth mothers. A lot of adopted children feel they are missing out on something in their lives. Is this because the bond created at birth has been removed? Or is it the DNA that creates this bond?

Again, technology has gone too quickly and we haven't studied the effect it has on our complicated human body and mind.
Clarissa said…
It has been mentioned that Archie’s middle name referred to Harry’s son. It is also the marketing name bedlinen sold by SoHo House.
When Meagain and Harry went to Cirque de Soleil she was greeted in French and asked one of her assistants what was said!
Clarissa said…
It has been mentioned that Archie’s middle name referred to Harry’s son. It is also the marketing name bedlinen sold by SoHo House.
When Meagain and Harry went to Cirque de Soleil she was greeted in French and asked one of her assistants what was said!
Girl with a Hat said…
the youtuber known as DanjaZone is reporting that some people are claiming that William and Kate are the source of some unflattering rumours about Harry and Meghan. I know that some of you don't like her, but I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan, in her "death throes", lashes out at everyone and anything on her way down, trying to take down as many people in the BRF as possible.
Girl with a Hat said…
there's new photo of Archie and Harry and they look to be in Canada.

https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1212111336441810944

Both look healthy and wholesome (for a change).
Anonymous said…
That is a darling photo of Archie and Harry.
CatEyes said…
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Fairy Crocodile said…
Mischi, wouldn't something like this be a much better Christmas card? Healthy, happy, not photoshopped, done in colour. Their horrible black and white piece continues to make zero sense.
CatEyes said…
@Fairy Crocodile

Here is the excerpts from the Queen's Christmas speeches and the relevant passages concerning the new babies;

In 2015, she referenced the birth of Princess Charlotte thus.." And this year my family has a new member to join in the fun."

While in 2017, she had an oblique reference to Louis thus " But I know his support and unique sense of humour will remain as strong as ever as we enjoy spending time this Christmas with our family, and look forward to welcoming new members into it next year."

And in 2018 she said "With two weddings and two babies and another child expected soon it helps to keep a grandmother well occupied."

This year she exclaimed .."Two hundred years on from the birth of my great, great grandmother, Queen Victoria, Prince Philip and I have been delighted to welcome our eighth great grandchild into our family"
Anonymous said…
I think Archie is a perfect blend of Harry and Megan and her father. He looks a lot like Harry when Harry was a baby but seems to have Thomas’s eyes and forehead and I see her in him too.
Jen said…
Over Christmas, I had the opportunity to talk to both my mom and my grandmother about Meghan Markle. My mother is a little bit more knowledgeable about what goes on in the world because she is always on her phone, reading and keeping up with the latest news. My grandmother, is 92, and while she is on her ipad and checking.out Facebook fairly regularly, she doesn't keep up on the latest. Neither one of them knew of her before she married Harry, and what they have learned since makes them not like her very much. My grandma is the nicest person you could ever meet and rarely says anything negative about another person. She wasnt impressed with her...and pretty much called her a gold digger.
QueenWhitby said…
The newly released photo of Harry and Archie is definitely taken in B.C. I live not far from Victoria and the mountainside logging cut blocks in the background are very typical of the landscape around here. Also, we had some quite sunny and unseasonably warm days here in the week before Christmas.
KayeC said…
@Fairy Crocodile, come down south and visit me and @swampwoman (and anyone else raised here, @Elle) We've talked about southern manners before on this blog and it really does make people like MM furious when you don't get angry or upset. You just smile, say "bless her heart" and move on. It's like poison for them not to get a reaction!

@Nutty, I agree about the young and the environment. I have teen sons (and their friends who constantly eat all our food, lol) and nieces, and I cannot think of one time they have mentioned the environment. Shoes, clothes, girls, boys, music, snapchat, who said what about who, what college they will be attending, do they have enough gas to go here or there. That is what they talk about, in my experience.
CatEyes said…
@Mischi

"Both look healthy and wholesome (for a change)"

Well, now I wonder if this means Harry was not in rehab and it appears he probably is with Meghan in Canada?

What does fellow Nutties think about this? I can't even begin to speculate.
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Anonymous said…
It’s very clearly Canada. British Columbia as @queenwhitby says.
Jen said…
That's a very good picture.

I love the comments from the people that say that the timing of the posting is not coincidental,that in typical MM fashion, she is trying to steal the limelight from W&K's announcement.
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