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Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

Earlier this year, in response to a blind item on Crazy Days and Nights, I predicted that Duchess Meghan would be out of the Royal Family by the end of the year. This prediction was received with a great deal of mockery - you're delusional! you're a racist!, etc.

Now it is December 31. Was I correct? It's hard to tell.

The visit to California

Meghan is clearly not in the UK at writing, although it is difficult to puzzle out where she is and who she is with. Originally, the "six week break", now in its seventh week and counting, was supposed to give Meg and Harry a chance to relax and reconnect with family in the US.

"Family in the US" would presumably be Meg's mother in California, since she has cut off everyone else.

But there's no evidence that Doria ever spent time with the Sussexes during the period, or that the Sussexes were in California at all.

The Canada stay

Several items have been leaked suggesting that the Sussexes are staying at a private compound near Vancouver, Canada.

Locals supposedly saw Harry hiking nearby; a local restaurant claimed to have denied the Sussexes a reservation because their security team would have been too disruptive. In fact, one account suggested that the compound had been putting up additional security fencing as early as December 19, roughly two weeks ago.

Here's the thing: do Meg and Harry really need that much security, particularly since nobody supposedly knew where they were?

When Boris Johnson and his latest squeeze can fly economy class on their Christmas holidays, and wealthy megacelebrities like Paul McCartney can stand in line with his wife to buy tickets to a movie (something a friend of mine experienced; Paul turned down offers to let him skip ahead), how much security do the sixth and perhaps the seventh in line to the throne really need?

One of the best security tactics is surprise; if no one knows Duchess Kate is going to be in a particular Waitrose at a particular time, she can pop in with a single bodyguard and do her shopping, as long as she doesn't dilly-dally.

It's hard to believe that Meg and Harry in an unexpected location would need extensive security planning, although they might think they do. As Enty often says, the more insecure and status-obsessed the celebrity, the bigger the entourage.

Personally, I'm not entirely convinced they were ever in Canada. The evidence is all second-hand, and there have been no smartphone photos from ordinary polite Canadians (or boorish tourists.)

Unconfirmed rumors

Ann, a regular poster on CDAN, suggested the other day that Harry was in a combined rehab/mental health facility in the UK. Meg was in North America by herself, she said.

To quote Ann: I'm hearing the Harkle divorce is in process. Markle got herself thrown out of the BRF in record time. Harry's in inpatient treatment in England. The BRF have custody of Archie. The DNA test didn't lie. Unfortunately Markle did and her settlement is going to be considerably much less since Archie isn't Harry's biological son. The whole sad tale should be over sometime in the second quarter of 2020.

(The inpatient treatment was) originally for treating his depression but they discovered he had developed some addiction issues trying to medicate his depression. I'm glad he's getting some help.

This is the very definition of an unconfirmed rumor, but it fits the British Royal Family's proven pattern of never leaving one of its own behind on the battlefield. (See: Prince Andrew.)

It would also explain the ludicrous photoshopped Christmas card, and the lack of other Sussex material during November and December.

And the timing - the second quarter of 2020 - would allow the BRF to say that the marriage lasted for two full years, making the extravagant Sussex wedding look slightly less silly.

It may just be a guess, but it's an interesting guess.

No respect from the press

Finally, the lack of respect the British press is showing for the Harkles is notable. An article in the Telegraph, often nicknamed "The Palacegraph" because it is used as an outlet for the Royal family and its courtiers, said earlier this week 

While for a time it seemed that the idea of Harry and Meghan joining forces with William and Kate as the “fab four” was one of the most positive royal PR stories of the last ten years, we start the new decade with the two couples running two separate courts, the Cambridges’ conventionally Royal, the Sussexes’ increasingly like a Hollywood entourage. 

The way they have conducted themselves since their marriage, and the birth of their son earlier this year, has caused considerable consternation among courtiers. The decision to absent themselves from some family gatherings and the secrecy that surrounded their son’s christening, have gone down badly among sticklers for protocol. 

The Sussexes have attracted public criticism given they receive money from the Sovereign Grant and are, as such, effectively public servants. Some courtiers fully expect the Duchess to want to go to live in California, not least because she apparently complains about the weather and other aspects of life in Britain; and it is assumed that if she went, her husband and child would go with her.


Emphasis mine. Anyway, that doesn't sound like a Royal Family that is looking to make nice or include the Duchess in its activities in the future, or one that is encouraging the press to show her respect.

Meghan's lawsuit against the Mail on Sunday is still in progress - suggesting that she won't get the generous settlement she was hoping for - and its sister publication the Daily Mail is being hard on Meghan as well. 

It openly suggested that the Sussex Christmas card was a fake, and then mocked her branding exercise, in which Sussex Royal applied for copyright on "more than 100 items, from teaching materials and emotional support groups to clothing and even newspapers."  

The DM didn't seem too worried about the possible competition from Meg. 

At any rate, the UK newspapers that play a game of be-nice-so-you-can-get-access with the Royal Family now seem to understand that they are no longer required to be nice to Meghan. 

We will punish your family

In an earlier blog post, I mentioned that a harsh story in the New York Post about the high administrative costs of the Royals' charities ("Why Americans are wasting their money donating to British Royal charities") was probably retaliation for Prince Harry's lawsuit against its sister paper The Sun. 

Murdoch and his team were saying: get Harry to drop the lawsuit, or we will go after the rest of the Royal Family. 

The Mail seems to be playing the same game. It ran an extremely unflattering story about the Queen this week, suggesting that she encouraged the UK government not to close an immigration loophole since it might affect her access to horse groomers

Today there was another unflattering story about how the Queen wants to build a massive storehouse for her art collection in Windsor, but that the local council was opposed because of the risk of flooding. 

Both stories made the monarch look arrogant and self-serving, and both could have easily been sent to the circular file in a time when relations between the Royals and the media were more friendly.

The Mail would like to see the lawsuit targeting its organization dropped as well.

Is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?

To return to the initial question: is Meghan finished in the Royal Family?  

The indications are strong that she has not only burned off any goodwill she may have had with the British public, but that the chaos she has created is (along with the Andrew scandal) damaging the popularity of the entire Royal Family.

I think her days are numbered. I wonder if she will ever return to Britain at all. 









Comments

KayeC said…
Where is the picture? I am not on insta or twitter, so usually have to wait until a newspaper pics it up. Haven't noticed it on the Daily Mail yet.
Anonymous said…
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1212111336441810944

Sandie said…
The timing of this annual review from the Sussexes is in line with other royals (the Cambridges and Cornwalls have also released a series of photographs) but the new photograph of Harry and Archie, clear and in colour, is an attempt to steal the limelight, but perhaps also to make up for that ridiculous Christmas card (maybe Harry insisted?).

Has anyone else noticed how Harry is holding Archie? Normal is what it is. Let's hope he has asserted some kind of authority and put a stop to holding him in that weird way they did (hanging there against the chest with face pushed into chest)!

I still have not seen a photograph where Archie is engaging with either of his parents, but maybe he is too young for that.
Fedde said…
Bit late but got caught up throughout the day...

Millicent Pfeiffenheimer
I don’t believe the divorce rumors, honestly. I think Harry is still firmly in thrall, though it’s beginning to look increasingly like he’s the only one who is and the rest of them aren’t even really trying to hide it any longer. I also believe they are all in Canada together (Meg can’t afford to let her meal ticket(s) out of her sight for that long) and that they themselves leaked their location when it had been weeks of no one in the press really looking for them and Meg’s rehashed Insta posts celebrating the anniversary of her visiting one of her charities for 45 minutes weren't holding up against the multiple new outings and fresh pics of the Cambridge kids. Part of me thinks this time of them figuring things out is really them just crunching numbers and trying to decide if they can make enough from their various money schemes to tell the BRF to piss off. I wonder if the sudden re-emergence (hellooooooo, we’re in Canada! Hellooooo?) means they’ve decided they don’t have quite the nest egg they need. What if they actually had to pay for their own house and security? HORROR! I think the big battle of 2020 will be between the Sussexes and the BRF as the Sussexes continue to push the boundaries of what the BRF will put up with. For all the “Charles has balls now!” Stories that came out around the time he kicked Andrew to the curb, I honestly don’t think anyone when pressed really believes he has the heart to do the same to one of his own sons. Certainly Meghan and Harry don’t believe it, which is basically what this entire last year has been about.
December 30, 2019 at 8:05 PM

Completely agree with Millicent.


Felicia
Forgive me if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but it seems people are missing the bombshell in Torontopaper1’s latest Tweet.

TP is stating in a cheeky and careful way (which I think caused most people to miss the meaning) that Farklepants at one point during her escorting years was the type of prostitute who would happily engage in “golden showers.” Which totally make sense because Kim Kardashian has always been her idol, and Kim only got famous because of a porn tape her mother aggressively marketed during which Kim receives a golden shower from the rapper she is having sex with in the video. This lewd act became popular after Kim’s video sold a gazillion copies, and more and more prostitutes were being asked to do them. Many had too much pride to shame themselves and degrade themselves that way, but wealthy men, especially many Middle Eastern men, were requesting this and paying extra money for it.

Farklepants was also said by CDAN to have been originally wanting to get on a UK reality show ( she wanted this even more than Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which she was rejected for.) Obscenely wealthy Middle Eastern men literally “shop” for women from watching UK reality shows. The women sometimes have to agree to become “Dubai porta potties” like poor Lindsay Lohan to make the big bucks, but some are lucky enough to be set up as mistresses. This is what Farklepants was ultimately aspiring to. Plans changed along the way when she thought she could be more “legit” marrying Harry but implement a Kardashian marching strategy while with Harry.

She’s not too smart, thinking that that would work.

Torontopaper hints at photos and/or video evidence of her golden shower days.

Stay tuned!

December 31, 2019 at 7:13 AM

Perhaps that's Meghan's secret weapon to keep Harry entertained in the bedroom...

(Personally, I can't think of a more degrading sex act than having someone else pee/poop (or vomit) on you for their gratification, especially when it's a man who clearly takes great pleasure from it because he thinks you're less than human)
Sandie said…
I switched off the sound ... is that really the song they have to accompany their review of the year in photographs? Geez!
Fedde said…
SirStinxAlot
I do believe she speaks Spanish and French. Canadians speak French and English. I also saw her on a late night show speaking Spanish. Jimmy Kimmel I think. Never heard anything about German. However, after she got engaged she said she was trying to learn Italian.
December 31, 2019 at 10:27 AM

After which of her three known engagements was this?

MM can probably manage the basics in Spanish but I doubt she's proficient (let alone fluent) in French. She can barely manage to hold a conversation in her native language without it becoming a word salad.

Sandie
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6v_KOtJinF/

It's the Sussex review of 2019 but it includes a photograph of Harry with Archie. It's a lovely photograph, in colour, and it looks very cold where they are!

December 31, 2019 at 12:35 PM

It looks like the same baby as on the Christmas card (and I also thought that was the same baby as the meeting with Desmond Tutu but what do I know?), but he looks to be the same size as the baby in Africa???
KayeC said…
Thanks @drabredcarpet. First thoughts are it's cute of both of them, but odd that Archie is looking off camera and never seems to interact with either of them, but MM could have been standing over there. Or did she take the photo? Either way the only thing I noticed was his legging or socks look two different colors but that is most likely the shadow.

Harry and Archie look happy and healthy and that is great....or is it that she is not in the photo and that's why I like it?? LOL


Anonymous said…
@FairyCrocodile, I'm far from perfect, but like KayeC said, once you overcome the initial bish-slap response, it is far more fun and it makes them crazy, and in the end, you never have to regret your own words. Best advice I ever got: count to ten, then say nothing. Second best advice (two bits, i guess): kill them with kindness and do not let a bully win. It's one reason I admire Kate so much- she has mastered this (I have not).

My best advice when trying to channel the polite behavior is to choose someone who behaves very well (for me, that's Kate) and choose someone who is just ticky-tacky nasty and who you would never, not even for an instant, want to be like. Then, when tempted, visualize both. Sometimes, just that quick mental picture will stop me dead in my tracks. If that fails, remind yourself that revenge is a dish best served cold, and begin work on your recipe.
Anonymous said…
Also, re Archie, if it's the PNW/BC area, he needs mittens. Even though it's not freezing, it's so damp out, and mittens or gloves are important to keep hands warm. At least they got the hat and booties right.
Anonymous said…
are those his little uugs they were given for him on tour?
Anonymous said…
@Drabred and @queenwhitby, re It’s very clearly Canada. British Columbia...

It may be Canada, but it could also be a couple of miles from my place in WA. I can even think of some coasta-ish towns in OR that look like this. So, probably it is BC, but not necessarily.
Maggie said…
@ Nutty - I'm not sure that the Earthshot initiative has young people as its target group, tho in the UK it is a hot political topic with Greta Thurnberg having a very high profile and kids participating in school strikes and demonstrations.

Charles has been an advocate of environmental awareness for ever - long before it became fashionable, in fact he was considered rather weird.

However what the Cambridges are doing is changing the narrative to seeking solutions rather than the XR (Extinction Rebellion) pessimism about the future of the planet and we're all going to die.

I don't know how widely the Swedish doomsayer teenager is reported on elsewhere?
Anonymous said…
I wonder if Janina took this photo also and Megs was off to the side and she is who Archie is looking at.
Fedde said…
More likely the nanny/primary caregiver the baby is looking at.
hunter said…
@Elle, Reine des Abeilles - agreed, I'm also from the PNW and it looks like that throughout the region.

To some degree this post supports the theory they are not together?

Far fetched of me to speculate but maybe the royal family is like "this is your son now, deal with it" as they sideline MM, however if they are both indeed hitched at the hip, man I just don't know.

I do think Skippy has lost her damn mind though, I need to swing over there and see what the pic has done to her.
hunter said…
Also @ Maggie -

Nutty wasn't saying only young people care, she was saying in order to appeal to young people the Cambridges chose the environment (and also it is a timely choice w/ commonwealth on fire poor Australia).
Anonymous said…
@hunter Skippy has said it’s photoshopped and has put her fingers in her ears and is going nananananananana so she can’t hear anything.
Unknown said…
New picture of "Archie" and Harry just went up (about an hour ago) on the official Sussex Instagram account. Looks like it could be Canada in the background. I'd love to know your thoughts! Perhaps they HAVE been together this whole time in Canada? I lurk here all the time, first time ever posting. You guys are so intriguing!

-JS
Anonymous said…
@Hunter, yes on all of that lol :)
Girl with a Hat said…
This is the first thought I had upon seeing the new photo. It looks like Harry's rehab is working. LOL
Anonymous said…
@hunter the entire rest of the video is Harry and Megan smiling and looking happy together, so no, I don’t think this shows they aren’t together. If anything, it may be practical that they know people dislike her and so they showed Harry and Archie without her. Plus it’s a cute pic as is.
Platypus said…

It is also in the Sun.
KayeC said…
@Hunter, I was thinking that too. No MM, just Archie and Harry. I personally don't wish anything bad in their marriage. Don't even care about her past or how they met, it was her need to "modernize the monarchy" that bugged me and the racism charges, and just basic manners and protocol. The pregnancy debacle was when I was just lost all respect. Honesty would have been better, and supporting adoption or surrogacy would have made a huge impact.
Liver Bird said…
Archie looks the image of Meghan in that picture!

Anonymous said…
The surprising thing to me is that the DM comments are nearly all positive that I have seen.
Sconesandcream said…
Wishful thinking that MM is on her way out. She ain't going anywhere yet. Harry is still besotted and she has a long way to go in using the RF for merching, profile and connections. In 5 years time, yes she will be divorced and it will be nasty.

That year in review. Well,she has finally taken on board all the criticism about sussexroyal being all about images of her. That video is all about Harry. Yes, of course she is featured too but the focus is definitely on Harry. They have also taken onboard the criticism about lack of Archie photos. The video ends with a glorious clear, colour photo of Archie. In Canada - I am sure there is a message behind that one. And Archie is now the absolute image of MM at the same age. One of her stans posted a side by side image.
Sconesandcream said…
As an aside, I think the photo was taken in Canada. Tourism Canada should be delighted.
none said…
Reading the comments on the Twitter post of the picture some think he looks exactly like Meghan and others just like Harry. It's a cute picture, but it doesn't really clarify much of anything. In true Harkle style it just stirs up more discussion and speculation about them.
CookieShark said…
The coat has been identified on Twitter already. Never miss an opportunity to merch!
Jdubya said…
The video posted by H&M is great. They even included W&K in it. Hmmmm? the photo of Harry with Archie is a nice one.
Liver Bird said…
I disagree that the video is 'great'. The music is awful and the images move too quickly. But the picture of Harry and Archie is cute, no complaints there. For once!
Anonymous said…
I'm +1 with @LiverBird. The lyrics are more woe is me and btw, you're the bad one.

Or this: "According to Jon Wiederhon of MTV News,
"Martin seems to address the helplessness of being in a dysfunctional relationship he doesn't necessarily want to escape. The lyrics are cryptic; the ending lines of the second verse emphasise contradicting emotion: "Come out upon my seas/Cursed missed opportunities/Am I a part of the cure/Or am I part of the disease?"


Seriously.

Anonymous said…
@Jdubya, same photos W&K included in theirs.
Royal Fan said…
Only thing the pic proves is Archie and Harry we’re together and Harry appears well. Meg is attempting to copy Kate and make everyone assume she is the photographer but I wouldn’t make any assumptions about her at all. For all we know, this may have been a planned visit for Harry at a rehab in Canada with Archie’s nanny while Meg is in Toronto or wherever merching her little heart out. I would actually assume the opposite of whatever she wants you to think is the real truth. Important thing is Harry and Archie look well and they clearly have a relationship so that’s good!
Jen said…
@Elle...that is telling. Wonder who picked the music...
none said…
Caption under the photo of Archie and Harry on the DM story.

"The first picture shows Prince Harry standing by a lake in an unknown location, which could be Canada..." LOL

The story says Archie's boots were gifted to them by the Australian Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove.
Maggie said…
@SconesandCream

That video is all about Harry. Yes, of course she is featured too but the focus is definitely on Harry

This says to me that MM had no part in making it. I don't believe she took the picture of Harry and Archie, it is an accomplished and authentic portrait, not something MM is renowned for.
Anonymous said…
I know @Jen. I'm not being my usual snarky and dismissive self lol. Those lyrics to Clocks are just ... well, I didn't write them and I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen them.

I didn't see the DM caption lol, but yes @Holly, it could be Canada, but it could be so many places, esp in the PNW. It could a lot of places, but it's definitely meant to imply that it's Canada. It could have been done in front of a green screen (that is the cynic in me talking, but since Rach is such Hollywood royalty and all... )
CatEyes said…
It seems Harry was Not in rehab (as typically one has to commit to longer than 60 days) and he looks so healthy and maybe all the speculation here about him being addicted to drugs and alcohol is just not true. Now Archie looks so well cared for with warm appropriate attractive clothing/shoes that he seems not neglected by Megs/Harry. I am beginning to think maybe their story of wanting quiet personal family time for themselves is really the truth.

Much as I think the BRF would be better off without Megs it seems Harry is still with her and as others describe...is thoroughly "besotted with her". I wonder how things will go forward from here.on and maybe that will be telling. But it seems none of the many negative predictions are coming true.
Anonymous said…
There is no nest egg big enough for her. Her passion for clothes, jewelry, handbags, shoes, and coats is pathological. Her first year as a royal topped over 200,000.00 pounds in clothes ALONE.. She is insatiable. Also, I think we’ve reached the point where the BRF willl let them do some merching and not others, but not on the scale they are envisioning. Or she is envisioning.

They are six months too late for this sideshow to be taken seriously. At least for me. The lies, the photoshopping, the constant attempts to one-up-manship the Cambridges. This woman is a sociopath. And, yes, assuming that what the other posters are saying that this child is the one we saw in SA, babies grow! Who knows when this video was shot. A child at six months looks very different from a child at 9-10 months. That was my main problem with that horror story of a Christmas card. I personally do not believe it’s the same child we saw in SA, and I also wonder why she chose a child that was in a time warp with no evidence of growth WHATSOEVER!. Same amount of hair, etc. I am sick to death of these two. They are liars at best and sociopaths at their worse.
This is the point when I begin to wonder if we're all being gaslighted. Surely we haven't imagined all that ghastliness? If they can seem so perfect now, why not before?

Remember folks, narcs can turn on a sixpence. They can promise the Earth when rumbled - how could we possibly have doubted them? It's all been in our imagination...

That is, until we give 'em the benefit of the doubt, then 10 days/ 3 weeks/ 4 months down the line, everything's just as it always was and we realise that yet again, we've been had. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I saw that my marriage to a narc was in deep sh*t within 2 weeks of the ceremony, when it became apparent that he was only interested in my prospective, but modest, inheritance, my salary and my role as a solution to his servant problem. Oh, he promised to pull his weight but it never happened.

So, 11 months later, having tried everything, I left. It then took me 8 years to get my divorce. I went No Contact and waited for a change of circumstances; my being made redundant worked wonders!
Fedde said…
Maggie
@SconesandCream

That video is all about Harry. Yes, of course she is featured too but the focus is definitely on Harry

This says to me that MM had no part in making it. I don't believe she took the picture of Harry and Archie, it is an accomplished and authentic portrait, not something MM is renowned for.

December 31, 2019 at 3:21 PM

I saw no ©SussexRoyal emblem/watermark on the photo or video. Guess that means MM wasn't involved in the production, editing or posting.
CatEyes said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid said…

>>>This is the point when I begin to wonder if we're all being gaslighted. Surely we haven't imagined all that ghastliness? If they can seem so perfect now, why not before?<<<

Yes maybe that is the explanation...gaslighting!!
Nutty Flavor said…
Cosgrove is the Australian governor whom Meg and Harry so badly offended during their tour. So much so that Andrew, of all people, had to go to Australia to smooth things over.

Given that the photo is part of a video, there is no way to check metadata re: location or the date the photo was taken. Convenient.

@Hunter, yes, that is precisely what I was trying to say about using the environmental movement to target the 30 and under segment. The Royals want to seem relevant and useful to the younger generation. Wills is technically a millennial, although an old one.
none said…
Have you all seen those comparison pictures of a young MM and Archie in the Canada shot? He looks exactly like her, yet he looked nothing like her in his earlier pictures. I realize babies change but you have to take a look. Prince Harry on tumblr has them. Probably skippy.
Anonymous said…
Nutty, I can’t find anything about the offense to Cosgrove that Andrew had to fix. Would you summarize it? Thanks.
Royal Fan said…
See my post above. You have all just been gaslight by a narcissist! This is exactly how they operate and make people think they are crazy. Take everything exactly at face value. Meg is not in this picture. That is all you know. She is absolutely a master gaslighter!
none said…
Saw a post that the Archie and Harry picture looked like the British Lake District. I'm in the US, so have no idea if that's a possibility.
KnitWit said…
Swampwoman, I should stay in your part of Florida. I am currently in Boca Raton-the least friendly place I ever lived. The worst are the snowbirds, so Florida is not to blame.

MM and PH aren't in Florida, but she would fit right in Miami! Ho, ho ho!

Happy New Year Nutties!
Unknown said…
May all Nutties have a happy, healthy, and peaceful New Year :)

Well, the A&H pic is nice and sweet. They look good and healthy. I personally think Archie favors Meg. Except for lighter coloring, I see only her. This baby pic of Meg comes to mind: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/2f/e1/8b2fe170dfa6fa9c8f38b2fc2c761838.jpg

I will preface by saying that I genuinely hope that Archie and Harry are happy, healthy, and safe. What I will add is that as a daughter of an abusive and ill father, happy pics like these rarely tell the whole story. Our worst family moments happened while taking the “happy pics.” Maybe it’s an artistic choice but I wonder why they wouldn’t choose a pic of Archie looking into Harry’s eyes. I also think the placement of Archie’s legs makes me think they have been reading LSA and Nutty comments about why Archie doesn’t do the classic frog-leg position babies have when held by those familiar to them.

I am really impressed by the rollout of the EarthShot Prize. The Cambridges keep highlighting how “antifragile” they are by how they keep getting better and better with all the chaos. A lot of businesses would be smart to learn from their successes. Whatever the future of the BRF, the Cambridges are up for paving a solid future.
SwampWoman said…
@Elle: Exactly the reason why, when someone treats us abysmally, we cannot respond in kind. (Damn it all!) And that is the reason that I know @Swampwoman might have empathy for the person who stabbed someone for cutting in line, but would not vote to acquit because it's even worse manners to stab someone for having bad manners. (Damn it all again!)

I have to confess that it would be a real struggle for me to convict somebody that killed a person that cut into a long line at, say, a trendy and very good restaurant that does not take reservations. If the deceased is above the age of a teen and has not learned better by that point, they are a lost cause.

(If somebody wishes to advance in line, they must ask permission of everybody ahead of them in line.)
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KnitWit said…
First "normal" picture of the baby. I suspect the royal family publicists were involved with the slide show and photo. Perhaps the SS budget has been exhausted.

Very telling that the claw isn't in the photo. She doesn't seem to be missed.

Not a fan of Coldplay. Chosing a morose breakup song is curious, wonder if it infers PH breaking up with MM or the royal family. Perhaps it is only association with another annoying vegan hypocrite, Goopy's X.
KitKatKisses said…
1) The Archie in this most recent photo is not the same child as in the Christmas card. Their heads are different shapes.

2) The Archie in this most recent photo appear smaller than the South Africa Archie.

3) If Harry has not been self-medicating or abusing drugs, don't doubt that he has been depressed, anxious, moody and so forth. He himself has said so. It is possible a break has helped his state of mind, but unless he has concurrently received intensive therapy, he will return to his negative habits once he returns to work and the U.K.

4) There are two possible outcomes, and two possible outcomes only. Either Harry divorces Meghan and continues to a be a working senior royal, or he renounces his claim to the throne and tries to live a private life with his wife and child. They will not stay married AND have Meghan continue as she has, for years on end.

5) I love Skippy and admire her loyalty, but at some point you have to accept the most logical conclusion. And her conclusions are not very logical.

Happy New Year everyone.

Remember, in the end, all of this matters not at all.
Henrietta said…
Long-time lurker, first time poster. This was such a great topic, I had to figure out a way to get here!

Nutty, I put my money on your original prediction: It's 12/31/19 -- yes, I'm American -- and it looks like Meghan is out. The straight-forward picture she's not in, the appropriate way Harry is holding Archie (not trying to shield his face), the professional "year in review" montage that focuses more on Harry and not particularly on her -- I think the rumors are true. They've separated again, and she's probably somewhere in the U.S., on her own, trying to raise Sussex Royal funding. One DM commenter said something about a "trial separation." I believe this is their second "trial separation" and that this time it's probably the real deal. If they were in/on Vancouver Island, only Harry was seen. Only Harry and Archie are in the picture, and Harry looks better than he's looked for a while. Oprah owns property nearby. Maybe she helped him or them find a secluded property and, in the event, only Harry showed up? Maybe this is where Oprah hoped she and Harry could begin to sketch out the AppleTV mental health special (I may not be remembering this project name correctly) they were supposed to collaborate on?

In any event, I think she's gone, I think it's possible her British visa was cancelled, and I don't think there'll be anything official announced until after Brexit and/or sometime in March 2020, a month others have cited, either in order to give the PM more time to handle Brexit or just because that's the amount of time courtiers estimated they would need to hash out a divorce settlement.

I get the suggested visa cancellation from MajTomiK on the DM comment boards. He came out with it around Christmas, and it was so specific and he was so categorical about it that for some reason I think it might be legit. Also, Meg's various Twitter rants are at times that would be convenient to someone on either the west or east coast of the U.S. She may very well have been in Canada, Toronto specifically, brainstorming about divorce strategies with the Mulroney family, as another DM commenter alleged. But the NY Post article puts her in the U.S. soliciting U.S. donors for Sussex Royal. This would make sense; she's probably trying to negotiate a permanent position with their new foundation as part of the divorce settlement. If any publisher were motivated to break rank and suggest where they really think or know she is, it would be a Murdoch-owned publication. And the only place to really solicit money from wealthy U.S. donors is in the U.S.

Happy New Year, everyone.
Jenx said…
Saw the picture. It could have been taken anywhere and not necessarily Canada. Scotland perhaps? I am Canadian and our landscapes are vast and diverse.

I am happy to see that this particular baby seems happy and healthy. As does Harry. However, the child seems very close to a year old. Again the age question lines up more with Feb/Mar as a birthday than May.

Every time I think she is finally done something like this photo happens. Games games and more games.

Happy 2020 everyone!
Emeraldeyes said…
Happy New Year everyone from NZ.... Harry and Meghan appear to like a show thats a train wreck in motion and now finally along comes a nice cute clear pic of H & A. However I remain not convinced by this pic that Archie is only 7 months old. Archie appears to be a whooper for 7mths and I wouldnt be surprised if this baby Archie is walking or a least standing up right attempting to walk. Archie could be anywhere between 9/10 - 12 months old
lizzie said…
No idea what's going on with the Sussexes. But I do think one photo/one video proves nothing especially when held against photographic and other evidence of the past year or two.

I do know this latest "happy family" post seems manipulative to me. And if all Harry needed to stop looking so unhealthy, so depressed, so angry, and so potentially drug/alcohol-addicted was a 6-8 week "vacation" from his heavy workload of 200 events a year, no way he'll be able to come back to "work" any time soon.

After all, in first-world countries like the UK and US (where we are generally pretty fortunate) many people work 2000+ hrs a year not counting commuting, plus most have to work at home doing stuff like cutting the lawn, car/home maintenance, etc. And Harry needs an extended vacation from doing 200 chauffeured events a year while his wife needs a break from doing  80? Please.
I was just looking at the photo of Harry and Archie. I'm not familiar with the climate of that part of Canada, but correct me if I am wrong. When you enlarge the photo, the trees that cover the mountains are with leaves that are bright green.
Girl with a Hat said…
Queen's Disgrace - yes, that's correct. There is hardly ever any snow in Victoria or Vancouver at this time of year at sea level. You have to mow your lawn in January and the forest are made up of evergreens like redwood and cedar.
Anonymous said…
@Queen'sDisgrace, those aren't mountains, those are hills, and in the PNW and on the water, it's very green. Lots of evergreen, not just deciduous.

@Lizzie, ditto to what you said.
Anonymous said…
We don't mow lawns here at that time of year, however. Too wet, not necessary, and leaves ruts from the dampness. Maybe they do in BC, IDK.
SwanSong said…
The picture of Harry holding Archie leaves me believing he might actually be finishing up a stint in rehab. His normally thin face and reed-thin body have been replaced with a protruding stomach. Weight gain is a tell-tale sign of someone in rehab as your body is detoxing and you crave sugar. You basically trade in the vices of drugs and alcohol for sugar & carbs as your appetite for food returns.
Unknown said…
@Jenx I thought Scotland too. I have pics in New Zealand that look similar. The background is lovely but very generic and it really could be anywhere. Depending on the time of day, it could even be the NE.

@lizzie @Elle Totally agree with the “happy pics” not persuading me. I know enough not to trust them.

That baby seems big for a May baby. Archie was 7lbs 3oz at birth and both parents are shorter then the Cambridges yet he seems to be having a serious growth spurt compared to the Cambridge babies. All the Cambridge kiddos weighed over 8lbs.
Anonymous said…
You can see the North Saanich antenna/tower in the background on the hill.
I am more sure than ever that the smirk MM gave Harry when the Archbishop got to the bit about procreation on 19/5/18 was an indication that she had something incubating somewhere, even if it wasn't in her own fragrant uterus.

Whether it was in that of someone else, or in vitro, I wouldn't like to guess; I wouldn't even put it past her to have made an attempt at cloning Harry. He may not been aware of what she was up to, whatever it might have been.

Premarital fertilisation would account for the mismatch of stated DoB and size of baby.

Incidentally, what is usually referred to as a `birth certificate' in the UK is a` certified copy of an entry in the register of live births'. It's what's recorded in the register that matters, not the bit of paper.

I've only ever registered deaths, for which I've had to take along a `medical certificate of death' signed by a doctor, so I don't know what supporting evidence is needed to register a birth - very often, it seems to rest on the parent's say-so. A father wouldn't mislead a Registrar, would he? Or would he?

If you ask a Scot where HM's mother was born, the chances are they'll say `Glamis Castle, of course' ie the Scottish seat of her father, the Earl of Strathmore. They get a little cross when informed that the birth was registered in Hitchen, Hertfordshire - Shock! Horror! England! The essence is that the parent's word is accepted. The Earl was late registering the birth and did it when he got back to the main home at St Paul's Walden (Presumably he'd been in Scotland for the start of the grouse shooting - but where was her ladyship?)

As for Archie, there must be an authentic, certified copy of the original entry in the GRO register, not necessarily in the Paddington Registration District, assuming he was born in the UK, which itself is not certain.
Anonymous said…
Certified copy of Archie’s birth certificate: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48315300
Anonymous said…
Oh, and I should have said Olympics, not Cascades for mountains above, but we've already had our first big winter storm (I-5 closed for hours due to flooding in some parts) and trees down. Gale force winds on the coast. Archie should have had mittens on his little hands.
Girl with a Hat said…
yes, lawns need to be mown in Vancouver, BC in January. I know lots of people who do it. Of course, they wait for a day when it isn't raining. And the ground doesn't stay damp, interestingly. It seems to drain very quickly. There aren't very many swampy around Vancouver that I know of.
Girl with a Hat said…
swamps, not swampy. sorry. getting late here.
DesignDoctor said…
@Fairy Crocodile Maybe the Queen doesn't have any photos of Archie. They have been "as hard to come by as hen's teeth!"

The new photo of Harry and Archie is so cute! So glad to see the both looking so well!
KitKatKisses said…
@Drab, Interesting that you are quick to spring to MM's defense, but seemingly cannot answer inconsistencies, such as that the baby in the "Christmas card" has a completely different shaped head from the child Harry appears to be holding. (Also, did anyone ever discuss the wording of "Mery Christmas" and not "Happy Christmas"?)
Anonymous said…
I think it’s the same baby, on wide perspective lens, close to the camera and leaning forward. I’m astounded that people think there has been 4 or so Archies. That makes no sense to me.
KitKatKisses said…
@Drab, my son is a professional photographer and filmmaker. He assures me the Christmas "card" was edited in post-production, or "photoshopped" in layman's terms. A wide angle lens cannot convert a shape from oval to rectangular and vice versa.
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DesignDoctor said…
Happy New Year to all the "Nutties." I enjoy your insight and comments so much and wish you all the best in 2020! It should be an interesting year.
Unknown said…
@Drabredcarpet I have seen that birth certificate. I mean no offense but I still think Meghan’s pregnancy and Archie’s date of birth is suspect. I do not subscribe to the notion of multiple babies posing as Archie. I believe there is a lot of photoshopping involved with Archie pics.

As for the veracity of the birth certificate, I second what @Mischi said about it earlier in the thread.

The rollout of Archie’s Christening was more telling to me then the actual birth certificate. I am not talking about the photo but that’s a whole other conundrum.

Something that seems to have fell off the radar was the BRF’s breach of CoE law requiring them to register Christenings on a parish register instead of their private royal register held by HMTQ. Archie’s Christening information includes his birth information and should lawfully be available to the public on request. Other royals are in breach but because they publicize their children’s Births and Christenings, they avoided scrutiny.

At a minimum, Meg should have publicized Archie’s Christening and had his Godparents be publicly acknowledged. The royal register and H&M’s private Christening just highlights that the BRF has the wherewithal to breach the law.
Brown-eyed said…
Happy New Year, Nutties. Thank you Nutty for operating this blog for us.
Unknown said…
Do any of have reason to believe that Markle reads here?
Unknown said…
Sorry that should have said "do any of YOU" believe Markle looks at this blog. Love from Los Angeles.
SwampWoman said…
Happy New Year, all! The grandkids have mostly fallen asleep (or at least quiet which is close enough, lol) and I wanted to take the opportunity to wish everybody the best in health, happiness, and wealth for the next year before I, too, go to sleep. (Not that there's much chance of THAT when it sounds like WWIII is being waged in the neighborhood!)

I decanted a fresh bottle of wine for the New Year only to find that it had been exposed to acetobacter at some point and was, in fact, a nice large bottle of vinegar. D'OH! Anybody want to drink to MM's health with vinegar? No? Me either. It may make a nice salad dressing, though. After all the goodies I've been making for the grandchildren, I will probably have to eat salads with vinaigrette for the next 11 months.

What's up with Archie's pants legs being two different colors? Is that a fashion statement for kids of which I am unaware? (Probably. I will never be mistaken for a fashionista.)
HushHush said…
Torontopaper1 tweeted this an hour ago;

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Darling, you are ending the year ALONE because of what you do best. Lie. Nice to see your husband enjoying time with his old friends! Happy New Year!

The scuttlebutt is that he's in BC, or the PNW, with his old buddies, and MM is in LA. The picture looks like Vancouver Island, or the Gulf Islands. A commentator on a local papers comments said the picture was taken in Sannich, as a radio tower is in shot. Just not near the Coastal Mountain Range or the snow capped peaks of Vancouver Island. It was 9C there today, so it's quite mild.
If Harry's with buddies from the UK, my bet is that he's at a ski resort for New Years. Probably Whistler. It's a world class resort, and one that famous people can go about unnoticed under ski goggles, even ones with British accents, as half the seasonal population is Aussie and British. Harry would have lots of posh friends who did their gap year there, and would be very familiar.
As for MM to be in LA alone? Hard to imagine her incognito, unless she is living in shame. It's been noted that they had an unwarranted amount of security, well maybe it was for for their host in Sannich- a Russian oligarch perhaps. And maybe the security is there to keep them in.
Rainy Day said…
@HushHush Agree with your comments about Whistler. The only thing I’m surprised at is that she would let him away from her claws, unless they have broken up.

I think it was Elle who mentioned the different coloured pant legs on Archie. I was determined to take the photo at face value and not examine it for photoshop fails, but I noticed that too. All I can suggest is that maybe Archie had woollen boot socks on over his lower pant leg.

Poor Skippy. I love her wonderful mix of hope, religion, cute animal photos, and her polite responses to trolls, but I think that photo of Harry and Archie has left her dumbfounded!
Rut said…
HushHush: No one belives anything torontopaper writes.
Unknown said…
Happy 2020 Nutties! May the new year and new decade be filled with health, hope, and lots of joy! Best wishes to everyone :)
xxxxx said…
My favorite nut is hazel nut also called Filberts. So happy New Year 2020 and best new decade to all nutties here. Best happiness and health to all in the new decade!
abbyh said…

I think the color differences on the pants is the lighting.

Happy New Year to one and all!
MustySyphone said…
@drab
""You can see the North Saanich antenna/tower in the background on the hill."

you always seem to have things right at your finger tis. Why is that?
Unknown said…
@KitKatKisses LOL, I know right, how can Meg’s defenders like Janina Gavankar say it wasn’t “photoshopped.” Unless they want to clarify that H&M don’t use Adobe’s Photoshop and use some other image-editing software instead, I don’t get their point.

I am not a Photoshop expert like your son but I sure know a GIF doesn’t magically happen when you take a photo. You need image-editing software to add layers to the photo Janina claims to have taken so you can add the text and the animation of the glittering ornaments. “Photoshopped” doesn’t just mean digital plastic surgery on a subject.

There are holes to the argument that the photo the DM used is different from the one the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust tweeted. Whomever distributed the image file deserves scrutiny. However, Janina’s criticism doesn’t make sense unless she is saying that while they analyzed the image, they edited it to the point that it gave the result/interpretation that Meg “photoshopped” herself. Anyone with some experience with Photoshop could replicate their results, so I am not sure why DM would care to fabricate their results.

A GIF is NOT a photo. It is technically multiple images or an image with numerous layers. The image someone sees before clicking on a GIF is a default layer they see when the animation is not playing. The edits to a raw image (i.e. Meg’s less blurry face) can exist on any of the layers of the GIF and not necessarily be on the default layer. When the DM flattened the “Christmas Card” or whatever image/media was distributed to the public, they merged all the layers. Their is nuance to the kind of loss of attributes you get doing that but at a high level, you see all changes and a final version of the image file.
Unknown said…
@abbyh It could also be a patchwork design on the pants and Harry’s arms and hands are obscuring the full design.

@MustySyphone I wonder if there is a way to verify this development on the North Saanich antenna/tower? I am out of my depth with this kind of thing. Maybe there’s room for interpretation. If they are in Canada, I hope A&H are happy and healthy. As for Meg, I do think both the boys would be better off without her. I get the heebie-jeebies seeing her.
Ozmanda said…
My theory is that the visit to Canada included a meeting with whoever has custody of Archie. Megs knows any goodwill not depends on another media viewing of the blessed invisichild. (as well as a second pregnancy to be announced). This needs to be done away from prying cameras - hence the bar security

If I am right, we can expect another random picture to be released.

(sorry I have been absent, a lot of fires around me means conditions here are really bad smoke-wise and:()
d.c. said…
Please forgive me if this has already been posted, but @dripdrop on twitter seems to have found the background from the newest Archieficial pic...
https://twitter.com/dripdro74842947/status/1212277262705446912?s=21

Also, no idea how trustworthy radaronline is, but they are claiming MM feels Kate has deliberately excluded her from Holiday luncheons or something like that...
https://radaronline.com/videos/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-royal-snub/
SirStinxAlot said…
I am not convinced there is a baby # 2 in the making right now. Maybe later. She waited forever to have Archie. Perhaps she didn't want children at all. She just lost all that weight, just to get pregnant again?!? I don't believe for a second that she used a fake pregnancy to force Harry into marrying her. She has no patience, she would have tried a stunt like that before. She has dated plenty of other high profile wealthy men. A stunt like that would have ended her acting career and yachting days quickly as soon as word got around. Words travel fast in HOllywood. Harry really was smitten with Meghan. I don't know if she was actually pregnant with Archie but I 100% believe she used padding to make herself look bigger than she actually was. Add that to her misfit and unflattering fashion choices it was a perfect storm for conspiracy theorist.

Happy New year to all!!
Sandie said…

d.c.: 'Please forgive me if this has already been posted, but @dripdrop on twitter seems to have found the background from the newest Archieficial pic...
https://twitter.com/dripdro74842947/status/1212277262705446912?s=21'

If this is the claim/rumour they are in Turkey: The profile of the mountains are similar but not a match.

'Also, no idea how trustworthy radaronline is, but they are claiming MM feels Kate has deliberately excluded her from Holiday luncheons or something like that...
https://radaronline.com/videos/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-royal-snub/,

MM has been on special leave for all through the festive season, and supposedly in Canada, so why wold Kate invite her to Christmas lunch, and what Christmas lunch is this? MM and Harry snubbed the family for all Christmas get togethers, and the televised celebration that William and Kate had was for their charities, with which MM has no connection. (i.e. radaronline is made-up rubbish)
Blogger Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
@drabredcarpet - OK- I admit I got the Registration District wrong from memory. I'm still not happy with it.

Yes, it looks OK - but don't look at what's there, look for what's not there.

The authenticating stamp, which I assume should be at the right-hand bottom corner, is missing.

I say `assume' because I don't have any recent Birth Certificates to hand. I have my own original one which has an actual postage stamp (George VI era), cancelled by
the Registrar's initials, to show that the Duty had been paid. Postage stamps have since been replaced by other forms of legal stamps whose presence shows up even in photocopies, as in the family Death Certificates I've recently acquired as part of a legal matter.

I rest my case, m'Lud.

Perhaps a Nutty with a recent family birth in England or Wales (but not elsewhere in UK because they're different) could check this out from an actual certificate? I'd really like to know for certain. If I'm wrong, I'll freely admit it. Maybe royal certificates aren't stamped because they don't pay duty to the Treasury? Who knows?

Most of us can see that the given date just doesn't tie in with the age of the child as we perceive it.


Charade mentions the `heebie jeebies' - how true! For me, it was at Eugenie's wedding. The TV camera focused on MM across the aisle of the choir stalls a split second before she clocked it. Her gaze homed-in like a heat-seeking missile, straight down the axis of the lens to my retina. It was if she could see me watching her, a stomach-churning moment.

I had to pinch myself to return to reality but in that instant I saw how easily a fragile mind, with porous boundaries, could believe that Big Sister really was watching them through the TV. It was horrible. I've watched no end of presenters doing pieces to camera but never before or since seen anything like that. Normal people just don't do that - strange how often that phrase comes to mind when dealing with narcs, along with `walking on eggshells'.

She certainly knows how to mess with one's mind.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Happy New Year dear all! Does it really matter if Harry and his wife manipulated public with the recent photo? Our concern is her negative impact on the RF, Harry and possibly even her son. If Harry is instead happy and healthy and does his job as he should and if she learns to walk and talk as befits future King's sister in law - fine by me. If the royals are happy with her past and skeletons in her wardrobe - it is their future they risk trusting her with royal duties. If it is all a scham we will see very soon. What is striking is the public reaction is much more positive when she is out of the picture, literally!
Sandie said…
@SirStinxAlot: 'I am not convinced there is a baby # 2 in the making right now. Maybe later. She waited forever to have Archie. Perhaps she didn't want children at all. She just lost all that weight, just to get pregnant again?!? I don't believe for a second that she used a fake pregnancy to force Harry into marrying her. She has no patience, she would have tried a stunt like that before. She has dated plenty of other high profile wealthy men. A stunt like that would have ended her acting career and yachting days quickly as soon as word got around. Words travel fast in HOllywood. Harry really was smitten with Meghan. I don't know if she was actually pregnant with Archie but I 100% believe she used padding to make herself look bigger than she actually was. Add that to her misfit and unflattering fashion choices it was a perfect storm for conspiracy theorist.'

I think Meghan does want a daughter. If she really wants that badly and Harry is still fully under her control, she can use IVF methods to make sure that happens (I knew someone very rich who wanted a daughter after 3 sons and there is a process used to hugely increase the possibility of choosing gender and, yes, she did have a daughter).

As a narc, getting what she wants for herself is her driving force and no way would a baby be more important than being rich and famous (even though this may be unconscious in her), but, yes, it was odd that she never had a child or was never pregnant when she was Trevor for so long and then was very loved up with Corey for a couple of years. It makes it seem that she really was just using them.

Dated plenty of other high profile wealthy men? Nope. Trevor and Corey were as high as she got and they are local, not global, and have far less wealth than what she has gained access to via Harry. She was swimming in a very small pool, desperately trying to make it bigger (as seen on her IG and with her PR).

I agree that she was probably pregnant but used moonbumps (otherwise what the heck was that?), and at the beginning of the pregnancy stuck out her tummy by arching her back (lots of photos of her doing this pose way before she met Harry and in some she looks more pregnant than when she was pregnant). Why she gained so much weight between going on pregnancy leave and emerging for revealing Archie and Trooping the Colour a month later is a mystery. Maybe she was comfort eating (we know now that she had been stirring up the pity me narrative for herself and Harry). She has the Markle genes and maybe to stay sim she has to control her intake ruthlessly every day. She is also not tall, so gained weight quickly shows.
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Nutty Flavor said…
Off topic, but I am traveling today and Harry and Archie have definitely won today's print media battle vs the Cambridges. Yesterday's photo appears in glorious color on the top of the print version of the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. The story about Earthshot is below the Sussex photo on the Daily Mail, and not visible above the fold on the Telegraph.

I realize that not many people buy print newspapers any more, but they still see them displayed in busy airports. Hundreds of people have walked by that display in the 30 minutes since I got through security. FWIW, I'm in continental Europe, not the UK.
none said…
The photo is lovely and seems to be legit. My current theory is the BRF has taken control of the situation, Archie has been accepted as Harry's son and a Royal regardless of DNA, and Meghan is out. The BRF is crafting the optics of this mess in their favor. Or not. Will see what today brings. Happy New Year!
Sandie said…
I would love an over-all analysis on the tone of the two year-end video presentations (Cambridges and Sussexes). The quickly changing photos in the Sussex one makes my head spin. Is there any way I can slow it down?
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Nutty. You are right. But winning once doesn't mean winning the war. Cute babies can hold attention only for some time. But Wills and Charles and the Palace who all worked so long and hard over the initiative will not forgive this. It will do nothing to improve relationships.
Sandie said…
And Nutty's post about print coverage ... Meghan achieved her intention: to overshadow the huge Cambridge announcement with a photo of Harry and Archie (clear, in colour, holding the baby in a normal way, professionally done). This was so important to her that she stayed out of the picture (a very difficult thing for a narc to do).
Fedde said…
Drabredcarpet
Certified copy of Archie’s birth certificate: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48315300
December 31, 2019 at 6:53 PM

I find it odd that Harry's signature isn't on it, merely his named typed up. In the article it says: "But sadly we don't get to see how the new (possibly sleep-deprived) dad forms the "H" in his signature. The copy of the birth certificate issued for public consumption is a typed-up version of the original."

Which is very odd considering Deputy Registrar's signature is on it, as well the "deputy" addition and written date in pen. If the article is correct in that the certificate issued for public consumption is a typed up version of the original, then those shouldn't have been included either. But if for some reason it is, then it's an edited file because they would have had to remove Harry's signature and replace it with his typed up nickname otherwise the written additions wouldn't have remained on it.


SirStinxAlot
I am not convinced there is a baby # 2 in the making right now. Maybe later. She waited forever to have Archie. Perhaps she didn't want children at all. She just lost all that weight, just to get pregnant again?!? I don't believe for a second that she used a fake pregnancy to force Harry into marrying her. She has no patience, she would have tried a stunt like that before. She has dated plenty of other high profile wealthy men. A stunt like that would have ended her acting career and yachting days quickly as soon as word got around. Words travel fast in HOllywood. Harry really was smitten with Meghan. I don't know if she was actually pregnant with Archie but I 100% believe she used padding to make herself look bigger than she actually was. Add that to her misfit and unflattering fashion choices it was a perfect storm for conspiracy theorist.

Happy New year to all!!

January 1, 2020 at 2:02 AM

She didn't wait forever to have Archie, she knew once she had Harry hooked that this was the moment to hook him with a baby. The first husband, Trevor and Cory weren't big enough players to warrant a baby to anchor the relationship/financial income. She never cared to have children, just look at those ridiculous demands she made of Trevor in case she were to have his baby. It was all transactional to her: I'll have your baby in return for...

And that's how it is with Harry, too. She got him Archie (however she did it) and in return expected the BRF to fund her lavish lifestyle, open doors to her that have always been shut in celebrity land and not complain or criticize how she chooses to spend her time or their/taxpayer's money.
DPBROWN said…
Here's a thought. HMQ acknowledged Archie in her speech bc regardless if the DNA is not Harry's nor MM's HM did not want risking MM using this child for financial gain. If child belongs to the crown, MM cannot merch him. That's why any Archie pic being used is a diff child. Look at MM's baby pictures, I believe she used her pic & photoshopped it.
SirStinxAlot said…
@Fedde, Meghan is almost 40. That is almost forever in biological clock ticking years. Also, the claim that Trevor said she couldn't have children is in conflict with the claim that she had " if I have a baby" stipulation added to their prenuptial agreement. She obviously knew she could potentially have kids. During the engagement period there were also several articles about wealthy British men and other relationships she had. Not just Corey and Trevor. Harry also dated other people prior to Meghan as well. I will see if I can find the articles.
SirStinxAlot said…
Don't forget she went out with Piers Morgan!
DPBROWN said…
Here's a thought. HMQ acknowledged Archie in her speech bc regardless if the DNA is not Harry's nor MM's HM did not want risking MM using this child for financial gain. If child belongs to the crown, MM cannot merch him. That's why any Archie pic being used is a diff child. Look at MM's baby pictures, I believe she used her pic & photoshopped it.
Girl with a Hat said…
SirStinxALot - Piers Morgan is happily married. They only went out as friends.
none said…
Yes Mischi they went out for a pint at the pub nothing more.
Fedde said…
@SirStinxAlot

I meant that she didn't waste any time once she and Harry were properly together (i.e. living in the same country) compared to her having several longterm relationships prior to then and at least according to two exes (Trevor and Cory) there had been no actual child planning involved.
Rut said…
DPBROWN: You can clearly see Archie is the child of Meghan and Harry. In SouthAfrica you could see Archie "live" He exists and he looks exactly like Meghan ( Thomas ) and Harry. Can we please stop with the DNA nonsense. Even if Meghan and Harry used a surrogate the child is still going to have Meghan and Harrys DNA. Just look at the baby. How can you not see its half Harry and half a Markle?


Sandie said…
@SirStinxAlot:

Nope, 40 is not forever in biological ticking terms, and Megsy was in her mid-30s when she married Harry. At 40, women still have about another 10 years to have children, and with the help of fertility treatments and even surrogacy, women can extend that time (plus people live much longer so your children do not have to reach adulthood by the time you get to your 50s). When compared with Kate, she left it late to have children, but she still had plenty of time to have 4 children if she wanted to.

Nope, Megsy did not have any relationships with wealthy British men (or any British man at all) before Harry. She flirted with a couple of British men (I think one was a well-paid soccer player and the other a reality star) via social media but she never met either of them. I don't remember their names or even what they look like because they are famous and wealthy in a small pond, not like the kind of wealth and fame Harry has.

As you say, it makes no sense that she told Trevor she could not have children and then made up a contract for him to sign. People make up stories, put them out there and they grow legs and get passed on and elaborated (and the best is when the media cites a source that cannot be named!).
SirStinxAlot said…
Welcome to 2020! I am glad you all made it!

Curious, why you assume everyone discussed is in a monogamous relationship? Wife swapping, orgies, threesome's, bisexual relationships, and extra marital affairs are not uncommon. In long term relationships couples find creative ways to spice up their sex lives. Toys, clubs, open marriage, etc. Just because you prefer monogamy doesn't mean it works for every relationship. I know many couples that have sex outside their marriage. Still happily married.

CatEyes said…
@Rut

>>>Can we please stop with the DNA nonsense. Even if Meghan and Harry used a surrogate the child is still going to have Meghan and Harrys DNA. Just look at the baby. How can you not see its half Harry and half a Markle?<<<

DNA is not nonsense, quite the contary (said as a graduate where the earlist attempts to discover/explain it was, UCLA).

No, you are wrong regarding DNA in surrogate is MM & Harry;s. 1. It could be both. 2. It could be just MM's genetic material and donor sperm. 3. It could be Harry's genetic contribution, sperm that is and a donor egg. OR 3. The surrogate child could have NONE of their DNA,

I look at the baby (babies) and am not convinced that I see either of them as baby faces are so similar many times. I've had three children and seen a lot of babies by my age of 67.

Sandie said…
Mirror article (PR for Meghan to keep her in the spotlight):

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-always-makes-same-21193717

'Listing her resolutions, she wrote: "Run a marathon. Stop biting my nails. Stop swearing. Re-learn French. These make my New Year’s resolution list nearly (AKA actually every) single year.'

She confirms that she is not proficient in french.

She seems to have stopped biting her nails, unless she wears fakes.

SwampWoman said…
Nutty Flavor said...
Off topic, but I am traveling today and Harry and Archie have definitely won today's print media battle vs the Cambridges. Yesterday's photo appears in glorious color on the top of the print version of the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. The story about Earthshot is below the Sussex photo on the Daily Mail, and not visible above the fold on the Telegraph.

I realize that not many people buy print newspapers any more, but they still see them displayed in busy airports. Hundreds of people have walked by that display in the 30 minutes since I got through security. FWIW, I'm in continental Europe, not the UK.


I tried to be charitable and convince myself that the latest PR photo release of Archie was because of the uproar that surrounded the photoshopped e-Christmas card but, if it was an accident, it demonstrated that they (Sussexes) were not in communication with the rest of the family.

It also seems strange that England is not an acceptable venue in which to photograph Archie.

Regardless, Earthshot prize should actually do some good (with good PR!) over the next 10 years, unlike anything that the mind of MM can dream up.
punkinseed said…
Happy New Year Nutties! May this year bring you many blessings!
KC said…
Sandie said: Has anyone else noticed how Harry is holding Archie? Normal is what it is. Let's hope he has asserted some kind of authority and put a stop to holding him in that weird way they did (hanging there against the chest with face pushed into chest)

Yes, this is a really good father-son picture. Harry is focused on Archie and looks more like he used to look on walkabouts where he related so well to kids (don't know who Archie is looking at, but he looks content). In that SA picture you mentioned, Harry holding Archie against his chest reminded me of how toddlers hug a teddy bear--wondered how Archie could breathe.
Anonymous said…
@RainyDay,

I think it was Elle who mentioned the different coloured pant legs on Archie.

Happy New Year! It wasn't this Elle who mentioned it. I'd barely notice if my pant legs were two different colors, but do tell! Which picture?

@Sandie, lol on the article. I love the "and still fails" shade.

And "winning" or not, I think it is petty and selfish of PH & Rach to put out the photo of Archie at the same time as the Earthshot launch. This speaks volumes to me. PH & Rach are not on the same page as the BRF, and every one of their lame attempts to steal the spotlight and compete in negative fashion will inevitably be met with a scarfing from Good King William.

That said, it's also clear that Rach & PH weren't at the top of the BRF Christmas list. A quick spin thru Kensington Royals, Clarence House and The Royal Family IGs, and no PH/Rach/Archie to be found - no Christmas card, no Santa Harry, no happy new year. I think that says a lot.
Anonymous said…
Re the lawn mowing, interesting, certainly not done here, and I've lived here a long time, in several different areas of the PNW. In fact, a friend of mine owns a commercial landscaping business in a resort area, and they lay everyone off from late November to early March (plays havoc on the hiring).

https://www.swansonsnursery.com/lawn-care-calendar

And this is for BC: http://bur-han.ca/dos-and-donts-of-lawn-care-during-winter

So, don't know where those lawn mowers are, but probably they need to check this out lol:

Don’t: Mow Your Lawn After the First Frost

Grass becomes dormant after the cold sets in, meaning it won’t grow until the weather improves. Cutting dormant grass can lead to long-term damage and even kill large portions of your lawn.

Most grass will become dormant after the first frost – sometimes long before, but you can be certain it’s ready to stop growing after the temperatures dip low enough for frost to form. Don’t cut your grass after this point to avoid long-term damage.


All that said, that photo really could have been from anywhere. I think that the choice of music, no Rach, and nothing on IG or Twitter from the BRF are all interesting. Plenty of reposts/retweets of the Cambridges. It's like the Dumbartons don't exist.

Now I'm going to have to go check out the mismatched pants...


@sandie: I've seen it alleged that she did get pregnant with Trevor but had the babe aborted without consulting him. As a result, her innards were messed up and rendered u/s and one of her old friends (Priddy?) dumped her in disgust. Just an allegation, of course.
SwampWoman said…
ROFL at the comment saying that clearly the child is a mixture of Markle and Harry so shut up about DNA. That's pretty much what a neighbor's ex-wife said about "their" children. Seems that out of three children, only one DNA tested to being his child. Sadly, he's stuck paying child support for 18 years on them because he didn't get the babies DNA tested at birth. There should be a lesson there somewhere, men. Trust nobody.

All I can tell about the baby is that he has close-set eyes. Maybe Harry is the daddy. Maybe Ron Perlman is the daddy. (The grandkids would think that having Hellboy as one's daddy would be incredibly cool plus Hellboy probably doesn't eat vegetables or make children do so.)
In case I don't post again today, I wish everyone Peace, Prosperity, Health and Happiness through the next 12 months.

As the year is 2020, I should add that I trust we are all granted clear vision to see through the hype, confusion and fog of battle to work out what the Heck is Going On!
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KC said…
d.c. posted "Also, no idea how trustworthy radaronline is, but they are claiming MM feels Kate has deliberately excluded her from Holiday luncheons or something like that.."

Hmm. if you are in Canada you can't go to lunch in Britain without a plane ride. What holidays, H&M have been gone since November...British don't actually do Thanksgiving
KC said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid, well said, thank you. And the same to you.

lizzie said…
@SwampWoman,

Yeah, I agree that a baby "looking like" a parent certainly isn't proof of parentage.

I guess the baby we've seen looks like both H&M although I've never seen the "spitting image" of Harry others have claimed to see.

But if donated genetic material was used in an IVF procedure, it's not as though randomly-selected material would have been used. Efforts are usually made to try to ensure the baby resembles the couple who will raise it or at least resembles them enough that there won't be gasps in the delivery room!
Anonymous said…
Unknown said...
...."do any of YOU" believe Markle looks at this blog. Love from Los Angeles."

I know I've addressed a few comments directly to her, just in case. I am pretty sure she reads and submits blinds to CDAN, but let's ask:

@Nutty - what do you think about her CDAN activity?

If Rach does read at CDAN, then she definitely knows about this blog. There are hundreds of comments for each new post, so my guess is that she'd be curious.

I hope she does read here because clearly there are so many issues raised about her behavior and none of what I've seen is racism (although maybe in a few instances, she might be able to skew it that direction).


Fairy Crocodile said…
@Sandie I agree with your comment re biological clock. Want to add something though. As women get older - after 35 - there is a greater risk for both the child and the mother. Yes, surrogacy will extend the time, but for eggs the risk of a slip in quality begins to grow. I believe there are special tests now they run for mothers over certain age to make sure the foetus has no development issues.

So for Megs time is running out is she wants a natural conception and birth of a second kid.

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Rut said…
FairyCrocodile: And if you google you learn also men have a "best before date" After the age of 30 the quality of sperms are getting worse for each year. There are no tests offered for pregnant women were the father is an old man. No.Because we live in a world were we only blame women if a couple are having problems getting pregnant or if there is anything wrong with the baby. Regardless of how old the father is we always blame the mother. We live in a world were they teach us only women grow old.
But that is not true. Also men grow old. There is also a risk for women having children with old men.Both egg AND sperm matter in the making of a baby. Google and you will learn. Meghan is not old. She is not even 40. So I dont even know why you are talking about her as if she is an old lady? I dont know were you live but here in Sweden it is normal for women having children at the age of 40 and after the age of 40.
If you google you will learn scientist recommend "older women" to have children with younger men.Because their "spermquality" is better. Meghan is not old AND she had her baby with a younger man. So...I really really dont think you have to worry about Meghans age. Im so tired of this ageism against women
KC said…
I'm sure MM has at least looked at this blog a few times. CDAN is a lot of Hollywood stuffand I think she would be interested in that, since Hollywood success may have been/will again be a professional goal for her. That's how I found this, going from AGC Blind Item to CDAN and reading a comment from Nutty.

Thank you Nutty for this blog, it has been interesting and educational for many. A lot of wishful thinking too, but I don't think MM is going away very soon, unless she's found a billionaire. Even as an ex-royal she will probably still get tabloid coverage, which is what she seems to like. The stans and sugars will likely always be interested in if not still so fascinated.

People magazine occasionally mentions how many issues a particular cover sold. I wonder how many tabloids and mags people buy because Meghan is on the cover/front page? Oh I forgot about the PR machine$$. still, I wonder what kind of draw she actually is, whether through fans/stans or the perceived train wreck aspect (You Can't Look Away!)
Fairy Crocodile said…
Rut, nobody is talking women down. I am sorry you took my post as offensive to women.

I can't judge what your doctors tell you in Sweden but I can judge by what my own doctors told me here in UK. Here is the medical advice for women after 35 to understand the risks:
It might take longer to get pregnant.
You're more likely to develop gestational diabetes
You're more likely to develop high blood pressure during pregnancy.
You're more likely to have a low birth weight baby and a premature birth.
The risk of chromosome abnormalities is higher.
The risk of pregnancy loss is higher.

So nothing to do with ageism or sexism, just science and nature taken into account.
Nelo said…
Nutty i dont agree that the Sussexes won the print war. Daily Mirror, Daily Express didn't have the Sussexes on their cover at all but very boldly had the Cambridges. Daily Express had will and Kates picture very boldly on the cover. Times and Sun had none of them. Guardian and I(which was bought by the DM publisher) had none of them. The DM was divided into two equal parts: Harry and Archie's occupy one part and the main cover story with very massive bold headlines was William's project.Telegraph had Harry and Archie's pic and Williams project.
So if we are to do a head count: William had: Express, Mirror, one part of telegraph and half of DM. Harry had half of DM and one part of telegraph. The Cambridges are ahead. AlGore, Hillary Clinton ,Sadiq Khan all commented on Will's project as they are part of his partners. I don't know how well it was publicised in the US electronic media though.
Nutty Flavor said…

Rut, I know English is not your native language, but please moderate your tone. We are a friendly community, not an accusatory one.

Forty is middle-aged for both men and women, even in Sweden.
Nutty Flavor said…
Thanks, Nelo, for your research.

I’d argue that the Mail is more influential, and more widely read, than the Mirror or the Express. Neither one made it to the non-British airport, for example.
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SwampWoman said…
Do we have long-term studies of the safety for women having hormonal treatments to extend their fertility/carry children to term near or post menopause? Well, never mind. Some studies say yes, the risk is real, some say no, no increased risk. I've read that the fetus can have increased cancer and other health risks. I think the jury is still out about fooling mother nature.
MustySyphone said…
@charade: re the tower--I'm not really looking that as proof or not as antennea are put on hill tops (the higher the better for relaying etc) everywhere in the world. For all I know its the "Syphoneville" antennea on top of the "Musty Hills". Just ponting out it could be any antennea.
abbyh said…

Technically MM is not old (compared to her inlaws). However comma in terms of being able to become pregnant is another story which isn't ageism but as someone else says: science and nature.

According to IMDB, she was born in August 1981.

With googling "pregnancy and age 37", the first listing was from webmd and there are many below it.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/pregnant-after-35#1

The listings go on about how and why the pregnancy was high risk (not so much for the baby - although there is some genetic concerns - but the risk to the mother's body with things like pre-clampsia).

Her age is actually a factor medically (and this was why it was so shocking to have her turn down the cutting edge doctors of HM combined with no doctor names listed on the announcement).

I do understand you have seen women locally who are past 40 and having kids. Great for them. What we don't often see is the technology to create it as many may not want to admit they used it at all or how many statistically this compares to other age ranges*. There can be statistical bias from age as we tend to know many more people of our own age group compared to 20,30, 40 years younger or older depending on your age. (meaning, if I am 40, I am more likely to know more people in the 35 to 45 range than 20 to 30 and 50 up. Yes, I will have friends/acquaintances who are not in that range but many will be).



*Years ago (when Mr AbbyH and I were looking at this for us, in my reading I came across some article about a celeb who went on about how she was able to have a kid at her age (well past 40). The writer was talking with their sister and remarked about it as the sister had been one of the attending. Nope (HIPPA was not a big deal then). It was IVF all the way around. My other comment was that I was not ever going to be a good candidate for it (way too not placid that they wanted me to be).

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punkinseed said…
The risk of having a Down's Syndrome baby is higher in women over age 35, which is why an amniocentesis is done. Down's is a risk in any pregnancy no matter the mother's age, but the key difference and reason fewer younger mothers don't have as many Down's babies is because their body is more apt to naturally abort the fetus early on, whereas older mothers tend not to naturally abort and their baby goes full term. I hope this better defines and explains the higher risk to older moms.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Swamp Woman What freaks me out is the increased risk of chromosomal disorders with the older parents. I am not sure hormonal fertility treatment is related to this risk, it appears to be due to accumulation of "mistakes" during the cell division stages as we age.

I also recall that NHS in UK doesn't offer more than just one cycle of IVF over the age of 41, and only if the partners fail to conceive naturally after two years. After this patients have to go privately. NHS doesn't feel IVF will be terribly efficient after certain age.

So unfortunately looks like biological clock is ticking even for royals with all their money and privilege.
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Jen said…
@Fairy....You are right about the risks that come with pregnancy as you get older. When they consider a woman of 37 to be "high risk" then that means something.

@Rut...you are absolutely right, men do contribute to the genetics of a child, but how many 70+ year old rock stars/movie stars have we seen who have had children with younger women? A lot....and the children were perfectly fine. Yes, older women CAN have successful pregnancies later in life (see Brigitte Nielsen, 54 and had her 5th child), but the risks ARE higher and that is all that I believe was mentioned.
SwampWoman said…
MustySyphone, those towers all look alike to me, too. The people that specialize in them are probably screaming (happily out of our earshot) "How can you POSSIBLY mistake one type of tower for another? Have you no eyes?" I have an acquaintance that photographs freight trains. I see generic "train", she can rattle off when that particular engine was built and probably where. Not that I care; it is blocking my drive and making me late and that's all that I care about (grin).

On the other hand, people look out and see fields, I see cotton, sorghum, soybeans, etc. and do not understand how others can't see the differences when it is so obvious.



Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen, children whose father is over 40 have a much higher risk of schizophrenia. Usually, you don't see schizophrenia until late teens.
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Miggy said…
@Punkinseed,

"The risk of having a Down's Syndrome baby is higher in women over age 35, which is why an amniocentesis is done."


Correct. It is also done to detect Spina Bifida.
Jen said…
I think it is fair to say, that while medical advances have allowed us to live longer, our ancestors who started their families earlier (teens/early 20's) had the right idea. Although, I imagine that many of the developmental disabilities we see today were there then but not known.

@Mischi, I believe the study found the age to be 35 for schizophrenia and over 40 was "higher chance of a child on the autism spectrum." it's very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Nelo said…
Nutty, the main cover story for DM was Will's project which occupied half of the cover while Harry and Archie occupied the other half. So I don't really see it as a 'win'. If the earthshot story was done in small print or as a footnote, I can call it a win but really the earthshot report was written in very bold print. And is the only story on DM cover. So....
punkinseed said…
Jen and Mischi, that is interesting.
If you look at your family trees you'll likely find that women had far more kids, but higher mortality rates back before birth control. Plus, medical care and diagnosis was not as good as today, so more babies would die because no known cures.
Another interesting this looking at family trees is how the parents would start out having a lot of boys then as the father aged, few if any boys and far more girls. Looking at my family charts going back five or so generations, most had at least 14 kids and the same boys first six or seven then all girls after that.
The main problem I have with moms who opt to have babies later in life, like after age 40 or so is as the parents age it's much much harder to physically keep up with the little munchkins, LOL. Those little ones are fast and always on the move, so best to have kids when one still has the stamina and energy to handle it. As a grammie, I thank my lucky stars that we always play pen trained my grandkids so they couldn't run me ragged.
PaulaMP said…
One of my friends had a baby at 43, the doctor told her the likelihood of a Down's baby was one out of 17.
Sandie said…
This was the excitement around George's birth. It was a huge event.

https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q3fqlsEemM1yoxm7d.mp4

No way Meghan could top this and so she got attention by the announcements (if there had been no announcements about privacy and family, no one would have been offended and they could have sneaked in and out of hospital without being seen, as many royals do), the contradictions, the showing the baby in Windsor Castle (all about those iconic photographs for history) .... it is probably not conscious but when a narc can't have all the attention they play these kind of games.

The BRF do not ghost family members, no matter what happens, but they may exert more direct control over the Sussexes in their official roles. (Were they pushed to go on this long break ... a nightmare for a narc who fears she will be forgotten so all those ridiculous posts on IG talking about glory days and pithy quotes, and finally bringing out Archie ... or is Meghan fed up with playing the royal game with his family, because deep down it pushes her buttons of inadequacy, or does she need to isolate Harry completely to control him?) If the senior royals do exert more 'oversight' over the Harkles, Meghan won't like that at all and it may just push her to leave (the way you treat Harry is not love Megsy, so you won't stay for love).
Nutty Flavor said…
Just removed several comments. Please discuss the topic at hand and not each other.

I don't see @tatty and @drab as "Markle stans". I see them as contrarians presenting a different take on things. It's not necessary for us all to have the same opinion, as long as we are polite to each other.

Does Meg read this blog? I have no idea, but I do know she has lots of time on her hands and enjoys reading about herself.
Sandie said…
By the way folks, I am personally not a fan of women having babies in their 40s and even pushing it to their 50s (nor men!), but it is a reality of today that medical science enables them to do that and nowadays, even with age-related problems, far more children survive than did a few generations ago.

Human advancement is strange. Generally, before contraception, women had more children and went on having them throughout their fertile years, so unless intimacy stopped women did have babies in their 40s, but an alarming percentage of children never made it to adulthood (my Mom came from a family of 10 and only 6 made it to adulthood). Now, when we have various methods of contraception, women use all kinds of interventions to have children later in life and the advancements in medicine means the survival rate is much better (so, good to delay and build a solid foundation for career, finances, relationship and home environment, which is much better for children, but geez, some people take it to the extreme!).
IEschew said…
Happy 2020 to all! Despite my contrarian handle, my new year’s wish is for civility. Here, there, and everywhere. Let’s continue being critical thinkers, and let’s strive to be models of civility. This forum usually comes close! I want to work on it, and I’d love for us to consciously do it together. If Meghan Markle does read here, we ought to model healthy debate and genuine support of differing views while we ask questions that hold her and others accountable.

I work in medicine and would like to add this: The term for pregnancies after age 35 in the US is “geriatric pregnancy.” Nice, right? It’s just a fact that a woman’s reproductive system ages faster than the rest of her. Eggs begin aging the second a baby is born. It’s a case of biology taking longer to progress than society. I guess one could call biology ageist, but its functions are physiological, not conceptual. We can debate the concept of calling anything that takes place in a 35-year-old “geriatric,” though!
Fedde said…
Re: birth defects at "advanced parental age", Rut* is correct in saying that recent studies have shown that older fathers can cause a lot of issues affecting the fetus/pregnancy but also the child as it grows older.

For example, this excerpt from a 2019 study by Rutgers University that reviewed 40 years of research on parental age:

Infants born to older fathers** were found to be at higher risk of premature birth, late still birth, low Apgar scores, low birth weight, higher incidence of newborn seizures and birth defects such as congenital heart disease and cleft palate. As they matured, these children were found to have an increased likelihood of childhood cancers, psychiatric and cognitive disorders, and autism.


*I also didn't see anything wrong with her tone, by the way, as a lot of "regular" posters (most of whom are native speakers) are much harsher on a semi-regular basis and/or can behave rather hysterical out of the blue when someone disagrees with them.

** Astrisks mine, in the article the "advanced age" is mentioned as 35-45 years and up.


Jen
I think it is fair to say, that while medical advances have allowed us to live longer, our ancestors who started their families earlier (teens/early 20's) had the right idea. Although, I imagine that many of the developmental disabilities we see today were there then but not known.
January 1, 2020 at 8:58 AM

It was pretty much the only opportunity our ancestors had, considering many of them were very dead before they reached the age of 40.
Jen said…
@Fedde It was pretty much the only opportunity our ancestors had, considering many of them were very dead before they reached the age of 40.

Yes, of course. I wasn't implying that it was a choice, just said it was the right idea.

xxxxx said…
January 1, 2020 at 4:14 AM From Fedde posted.....exactly and a superior post from you this is how it all went down. It meaning lure in sex tent in Namibia? Botswana#? then engagement then cement with all legalization in marriage. Harry wuz living out his Lad Vegas days An the RF has to suffer his hare brained activities
Glow W said…
I’m not a Stan. I’m a realist. I support Harry and she is his wife. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. Why this bothers some unknowns to the near point of obsession is odd to me. I’m just one person, it’s my point of view. Get over yourself.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen and Rut, you may be interested to hear that they are working on a drug to reverse menopause, i.e., to have a woman generate new ova or eggs if you prefer (it reminds me too much of birds so I call them ova). They have already succeeded but I haven't heard anything since that news.

And remember, just because something is feasible, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Some women who get pregnant after 50 need the help of hormones, and it's been reported that these can cause cancer. Remember John Edwards, the American presidential candidate? He and his wife lost a child and she then had some IVF to have another at a relatively late age. She died of breast cancer and it's been reported that it was the hormones that triggered that.

Also, "test tube" children have shorter telomeres and more DNA mutations than children conceived naturally.

And so on...
Girl with a Hat said…
About whether Meghan reads this blog, my guess would be "no". Why? because I don't think she could handle reading any criticism of herself. She would go ballistic.

Which reminds me - Danja Zone said the Sussexes don't get invited to parties because they start fights with each other in the presence of other people. You can imagine how well that goes over in the genteel circles of the British elite.
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Glow W said…
Excuse me, that is Mill Bay in the background of Harry’s photo.
CookieShark said…
I had my second baby at 37 last year, just to put in my two cents. I was very healthy and had no past medical history, but my induction failed and I had an unplanned C-section. It was very scary for my son as well, since his heart rate was dropping and he had blood sugar/jaundice issues when he was born. I then had complications while in the hospital and now have to take blood pressure medication. However, during my pregnancy, I never had any issues and my son and I had excellent prenatal care. I never would have predicted I would need a C-section.

I am done having kids personally, but I know people who have had babies in their early 40s and are fine. When I was 33 I told a colleague of mine I hoped to have children, and he gave me a look and said I'd better get to it then.
Anonymous said…
I had my first child at 34 and my second at 38. Genetic testing was highly recommended for the second pregnancy. I was kind of, okay, is this necessary, because they warn you that an amniocentesis may cause a miscarriage, and I’d been have a hell of a time getting pregnant again. Then they showed me the stats on bearing children over the age of 36 and the likelihood of birthing a child with disabilities. It was shocking (at least to me) at the sharp incline once you hit 36. The debate that has raged over Ms. Markle’s actual age does have some bearing here given the statistics. Not that this means that all women should have their tubes tied at 35! I’m saying it’s a factor that should be taken into consideration. Should Ms. Markle have actually been pregnant (not that I believe she was EVER pregnant), it would have been an issue for her and Harry.
Girl with a Hat said…
I think that if Meghan were pregnant, it wouldn't show with the winter clothing. But then, we're talking about Meghan here who had to wear her coat unbuttoned at 12 weeks of pregnancy.

I attended a Catholic school and the school was teeming with children whose mother was in her very late 40's or even 50's. But that was in another era when infertility wasn't such a big problem. I think there's a term for those late Catholic children, but I can't remember it at the moment.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Mischi Blimey, I didn't know about menopause reversal. I would think it is the same old hormonal therapy, as menopause begins when the level of estrogen begins to drop. The whole thing is one big blooming hormonal symphony and once it is out of tune - bye bye to natural conception.

Glow W said…
Put it this way: I follow the palace narrative. I’m following along per the published statements etc from the royal offices. I’m sorry some people don’t like that but oh well.
Glow W said…
I’ll give the addrsss of the house they rented since they are likely not there anymore and/or about to leave. Plus it’s been published on the internet etc so this is not exclusive information. Still @Nutty if you feel it is in inappropriate, please delete.

You can go to google maps and click on satellite or one of those world satellite apps and see the whole area. Please excuse if this has already been discussed.

525 Towner Park Road
North Saanich, BC
lizzie said…
@Mischi,

I think it was pretty widely accepted Elizabeth Edwards used donor eggs for her late pregnancies (at 49 and 51.) But you are correct, talking heads, including some doctors, did blame her cancer on the hormone treatments needed for successful implantation. Of course, John's girlfriend, Rielle, managed to get pregnant at 43. I don't know if she'd had previous pregnancies but that was the first one to result in a child.

I'm not sure why reversing menopause would mean more eggs are generated. So far as I know, females are born with all the eggs they'll ever have. Even if menopause was forestalled, the eggs released would be older whereas sperm are manufactured as needed. (But even "new" sperm made in an old body can have problems as others have said)
I wrote this in response to something said ,I think, by Tatty but I can't see the original now. I think it's still worth posting:

I wanted the marriage to be a success; I hoped she would be right for him and I expected her to be mature enough to cope. Samantha seemed ghastly & probably out for money but her mention of narcissism rang alarm bells in my mind. As I've said before, I've been driven almost to breakdown by people like MM but held onto my sanity just long enough to get help and learn it wasn't me, it was them. Also,I had to learn what it was about me that attracted them.

So I watched her with interest. I was not reassured by the engagement interview - too full of herself. Even so, I gave her the benefit of the doubt, despite the reports of her demanding nature and filthy temper aka rage, up to the announcement of her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding. That was the clincher for me. Narcs cannot stand anyone else being the centre of attention - they have to steal their thunder. Samantha was right.

I had a pair of narcissists at my first wedding - one, a bridesmaid, made herself sick from 6am on but insisted on following me up the aisle, me expecting to hear her vomiting on the vicar's new carpet behind me. Her sister, getting married herself a few days later, wore not only all white but also the orange-blossom-and-pearl-headdress intended to secure her own veil. I've also had a narc F-up my Degree Show when she was supposed to be helping. (The narc husband was no2; third time I was very lucky).

Being brought up by a mother with narc tendencies to be `nice' and to `see the best' in people did me no favours. I had weak boundaries and despite my misgivings and gut feelings had been too trusting, too willing to make allowances to keep `friends'.

These horrible people do exist; they are predators who lack authentic selves. There's an empty space in them where their souls should be. Once, we might have described them in terms of the presumed colour of their hearts but that's not allowed now.

I reckon I'm a realist too; it's just the paradoxical nature of the problem - if you've not had the experience, it all seems so bloody unlikely. After all, everyone's fundamentally decent , aren't they? Aren't they?

Frankly, the more I can make people aware of the existence of these b*stards, the better.
KitKatKisses said…
Tatty, you may follow the "palace narrative", but the point of this blog is to show how PR and other types of manipulation drive that narrative. Nutty's blog, among others, has painstakingly demonstrated how the public is systematically deceived. I believe the natural outcome of this is that we are encouraged to believe our own eyes and to question what we are told. We are to think for ourselves, not just automatically accept as truth pictures or stories that now more than ever can be made up out of thin air.

All we really know for sure is that everything surrounding Harry, Meghan and whoever this child is, is not what they want us to think.
Girl with a Hat said…
@lizzie, the scientists managed to have women generate new eggs after menopause. That is revolutionary.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/1481079/scientists-reverse-the-menopause-and-turn-back-the-fertility-clock-for-older-women/

punkinseed said…
I don't know what it's like for kids nowadays to have older parents, but I can tell you that sometimes it was very hard for me as a child. My mom was 38 and dad was 40 when I was born. I'm the youngest of 3 kids. My sister is 10 years older and brother 7 years older than me. So, the hard part was having almost all of my classmates with parents who were a good ten to fifteen years younger than mine, who were taking them all to interesting kid places like skiing or Disney Land or movies. Plus, their parents were not as old fashioned, so to speak, as mine and so I had a hard time convincing my dad or mom that fashion and trends were important to me.
The other hard part as a kid with older parents is when at school, like open house, or PTA or school carnival, other kids would ask me if my parents were my grandparents. Shriek! It didn't help that my dad had full head of gray hair by the time he was 45!
However, the upside of having older parents, when not explaining to mom that all the other girls wear bikini underwear (7th grade!) and makeup, and nylons... is that my parents were less stressed, more patient, and were more able to afford the little things for me like summer camp, dancing lessons, music lessons, etc. than they could for my older siblings. So I hope that older parents these days are able to understand how important it is for their kids to fit in with the other kids.
About the age gap between my siblings and I, people tend to think that if there's a wide age gap that the kids are disconnected, (like the gap between Megs and her half siblings). That's not true. My siblings and I have always been very close and care for each other unconditionally. It really depends on the kids. I've seen lots of siblings close in age who never get along, so it's really not about age gap. The reason Megs doesn't get on with her siblings is because she's incapable of sharing her dad's love and affection with her siblings. Plus, it's quite obvious that her dad always put Megs first and caused a huge amount of resentment and rivalry for the other two. That must have been very hurtful for Tom Jr. and Sam. The same results would have happened if Megs was born ten or twelve years earlier.
Glow W said…
@kitkatkisses how many times does Nutty have to say I’m welcome here before people stop bringing me up as a topic of conversation?
Glow W said…
(That was meant in a sincere tone, nothing argumentative or harsh)
Glow W said…
@wild boar I get what you are saying. I have had some “off” people in my life at points so there is an element of interest here for me in terms of the RF and what is going on and how this is playing out. I think it’s a bit like 24 hour news though, where we are watching every second of it and so there is a lot of down time to speculate and then they do something, or go somewhere, or issue a pic etc..

Like, let’s check in in a month and then we will have seen how they came back and got back on schedule. Gert’s Royals has already identified the event which they will likely attend at the end of January. I’m not sure if it’s her or another RR who said the BRF doesn’t really get started until mid January. The expectation from the RRs that I read is that they will be back on the diary by the end of January.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Tatty I have a question for you. Above you said you supported Harry and Megs were his wife, the implication being you sort of support her as well. OK, I get that.

Do you see anything wrong in Harry and Megs conduct or do you think they are behaving impeccably? And thus our dislike and criticism are totally unjustified?

I am not having a go at you, this is a genuine question.
Maggie said…
@KitKatKisses - absolutely agree that the Palace tell us what they want us to think.

The media are still in their pockets, just as they were when the whole world knew about David and Wallis whilst the UK were kept in blissful ignorance.

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Tea Cup said…
Just gonna pipe in re: Nutty's latest post about MM being finished in the Royal Family... as much as I find Meghan (and Harry) odious, I do not think this is the end of their active involvement with the BRF. To my mind the Sussexes are in fact together, physically and maritally. I think Harry continues to have unresolved mental and possibly addiction issues that he is not addressing of which the public will continue to see in glimpses.

The end of year message from the BRF is clear, the Cambridges are shifting to the forefront and the Sussexes will be sidelined (somewhat) and future appearances will continue as we have seen: secondary Remembrance Day balcony for MM, riding backwards in the carriage at Trooping, no presence at diplomatic receptions/state banquets. Unfortunately I would not discount another official tour in the near offing from them.

I do not think the Sussexes have quite burnt their proverbial bridges with "the firm."
Although I would love to say Meghan is definitively cast out with mealy-mouthed Harry trailing his idiot backside behind her; but alas, that would be entirely wishful thinking on my part.

They are indeed today's Duke of Duchess of Windsor MK2 but the BRF is going to keep them in the fold for the foreseeable, not the least of which to have some hand at stage managing their power base. MM might consider leaving but I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon in this drama.

In this saga welcome to the new year, it will be much like the old. Different strategies, same result.
lizzie said…
@Mischi,

Thanks for the link. It mentioned egg "recruitment" whatever that means so I looked further.

It doesn't appear it's universally accepted that what's happening is the growth of new eggs with
Sfakianoudis's procedure:

https://www.regmednet.com/users/2807-curtis-asante/posts/12813-can-and-should-we-use-wound-healing-treatment-to-reverse-menopause

"The treatment is believed to facilitate the release of eggs that weren’t released before menopause rather than increase the production of eggs, since it is still generally accepted that women are born with all their eggs. However, a recent article published in The Guardian suggests that women’s ovaries can actually grow more eggs."

Guardian link:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/07/evidence-suggests-womens-ovaries-can-grow-new-eggs

Many of the patients Sfakianoudis has treated were in their 40's and either in perimenopause or early menopause. That does make the point that all women can't get pregnant easily in their 40's. So I do think MM's clock could be ticking at 38+.
Glow W said…
@fairy yes, I believe they are screwing things up double time. I have already said many times that she doesn’t listen. I believe they are both a force of nature which many times is causing chaos instead of doing things in a measured way like the Cambridges. I believe H and M come across as amateur in their endeavors, BUT sometimes it comes across as homey and charming to their crowd.

I think they have their place in the RF and while they do things differently, I do think if they listen, he could pull off this folksy, down to earth, hands on Diana type of approach with her in the background supporting him. If she tried hard, she could do that but I think she most likely doesn’t believe she needs to change her approach.

I dislike the idea of multiple Archies(seriously, where do people get multiples babies who resemble each other), everything is photoshopped (like the Christening photos), talk of wigs and weaves, saying the birth certificate isn’t real (when it is), and giving the idea that no journalist or anyone other than random people on small internet blogs have found the truth and know what’s really going on.

I do read a tarot blog which is mostly for missing people and she has interesting readings on them: that it will be bumpy and bumpy for a long time with them, but that they could do well and bring out good in the world if they can get their approach straight.
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2018/05/prince-harry-and-meghan-wedding-and.html She has several readings on them.

I am a realist but I’m also am empath. I don’t believe in tarot, but I also think this lady has a strong intuition and insight.

My thoughts are wandering so I’ll stop here.
Jen said…
@Mischi...the reversal of menopause is interesting! I don't know if I would be so inclined to want to reverse it. I'm rather looking forward to the day when I don't have to deal with my monthly visitor. I would be interested to know how newegg's would be generated though, because I have somebody said all girl babies are born with all of the eggs that they're going to have. So how are new ones generated? I'll have to take a look at that article and see if it's spelled out.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Jen - there must be some sort of stem cell in the ovary or some way of generating stem cells which in turn, would generate some ova.
Sandie said…
Are the BRF trying to use the Commonwealth connection to get Meghan and Harry sent off to live in Canada? There is rumour doing the rounds. Surely not? Then they would have no control over them and the mess will make the Andrew debacle look like a walk in the park!
Glow W said…
@fairy you are welcome. One more thing: I have no idea what to make of the idea of merching. Does she get her clothes for free in exchange for publicity? I don’t know. Was Archie given the Boden coat so that it would sell out? I don’t know. Do other Royals merch? I don’t know. What about Highgrove selling sheets and stuff in an online store?

I just don’t know enough about the topic to have an opinion on it.
Mimi said…
Hummmmmmm, I am peering into my crystal ball but things are looking very fuzzy and I am still seeing double (post New Year’s Eve hangover). My official prediction is more of the same from the Harkles if nothing has been done behind the scenes. Thank you! hic cup! 😅
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CatEyes said…
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@Tatty Yes, that is Mill Bay (or at any rate the view between the tip of the Saanich Peninsula and Mill Bay). I have the exact view from my window and I live a teeny bit North of Mill Bay. Happy New Year to all and especially Nutty. Long time lurker who just figured out how to comment. Maybe that is because my mother was 54 when she had me, and Dad was in his early 70s.
Glow W said…
@lighthealer Astrid thank you for commenting and affirming that. Wow, I’m so jealous that you live there and have that view!
Girl with a Hat said…
@Lighthealer, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow.

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