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What's next? Royal events to look forward to in the last days of 2019

Now that the British election is over the Royals, who have been lying low a bit in order not to take attention away from Boris & Co., should be a little more visible.

(And yes, I am a little bit salty that we didn't get any photos today of Boris meeting the Queen and getting her permission to form a government. This could be the last time in her long reign the Queen will do so. Was Charles present today? Was William?)

The next couple of weeks will be interesting for Royal watchers.

Here come the Christmas cards

Very soon - possibly as soon as tomorrow, Saturday December 14 - we'll start getting the various family Christmas cards.

The most interesting one will be the Cambridges', since Will and Kate do such a good job of hiding their kids from the public for most of the year. How tall will George be? How cute will Louis be? Will "Warrior Princess" Charlotte's personality show through?

(I recently saw a compilation photo of the Lovers' Knot tiara as worn by Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth, Princess Diana, and Duchess Kate. How will Charlotte - certainly the future Princess Royal - look in the tiara circa 2040?)


Have a grey Sussex Christmas

Inevitably, the Sussexes will also come up with some sort of Christmas greeting. Perhaps in festive black and white?

Will it feature little Archie engaging with Desmond Tutu's daughter and trying to wriggle away from his parents? Meg merching tiny jewelery or ill-fitting clothing? Harry looking drunk and wrinkled?

I must admit that I do not shivver with anticipation when it comes to the Sussex card, which is bound to be awful.

Prince Charles and Camilla will also release a Christmas card, which will be examined for signs of their good health or lack of it.


The Queen's stubbornness

As Christmas approaches, we also have the Queen's speech to look forward to - what in the world will she say about the Andrew situation? - and the annual Royal Family Christmas Day walk to church.

The Queen seems determined to bring Andrew along, showing the sort of stubborness that has been the Achilles heel of so many otherwise effective leaders, from Douglas Macarthur to Steve Jobs.

If Andrew is there, Will and Kate will do everything possible not to be photographed in frame with him. The Christmas Walk is where William so effectively "scarfed" Meghan Markle; he knows very well how to avoid taking a picture he does not want to take.


Ruthless William

One of the most interesting Royal developments of 2020 is William's increasing ruthlessness. He was a significant player in Andrew's removal from active Royal duty, and made sure the media knew that.

Kensington Palace has also emerged as a major chess player against the Sussexes. Could it have been behind the recent rebuke to Hollywood jewelry designer Jennifer Meyer for using Duchess Meghan's photo to sell her tacky pieces?

It was embarassing timing for Meghan, who is presumably in Hollywood trying to set up deals for her soon-to-debut Sussex Royal Foundation. A public reminder that the Sussexes are not power players and are not even well-liked must have been bad for business.


The big foundation

Speaking of which, Meghan seems to be under the impression that her super-intense work-ethic will make the Sussex Royal Foundation "one of the biggest and most successful philanthropic organizations in the world."

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would beg to differ, and so would the world's other top foundations, backed by the founders of IKEA, Wellcome Pharmaceuticals, Getty Oil, and Johnson & Johnson consumer products. Those foundations have an ongoing flow of resources from the world's largest and most powerful corporations.

The Sussex Royal Foundation has...Meg, asking for donations. Plus Harry when he gets out of rehab. Good luck.

Where are the Sussexes?

The Sussexes have already famously turned down an invitation to Christmas at Sandringham - if, in fact, they were even invited, giving that Meg leaks like a sieve when it comes to sharing family information. Hard to let your hair down and enjoy one of Prince Philip's very strong cocktails when she's around.

So where will they go instead? Doria, Meg's mother, might be persuaded to appear in a publicity photo with her daughter, but that doesn't mean that Doria's female partner wants Meg, Archie, Harry (if he gets a day pass from rehab) and their security personnel to join them for the actual holiday.

Unconfirmed Twitter gossip says Meg was trying to get into Canada, but no one has claimed to see her trying to get into Mexico, where her father lives.


What about Daddy?

Reuniting with Meg's father for Christmas would bring the Sussexes some much-needed positive attention, but it is one of the last arrows in their quivver - is it too soon to use it?

There's also a chance that the Daily Mail, which probably paid for the security guards surrounding Thomas Markle, would not allow it. Thomas is a key witness in the upcoming lawsuit filed by the Meghan against the Mail, and they wouldn't want his testimony influenced by a tearful holiday reunion.

Whatever happens, the Sussexes will release some publicity about their Christmas location, and it will be Instagram-friendly. Beautiful tropical island? Rockefeller Center Christmas tree? Homeless shelter, with Meg serving turkey and potatoes to the down-and-outs?



What are you looking forward in the Royal world for the rest of 2020?



Comments

Debra said…
I hope Harry and the showgirl get an annulment, or at least a divorce in 2020.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Debra I think most people do not care what Harry and MM do in their private life. They love each other as much they say - fab, they can enjoy matrimony to the fullest. Just spare us Sussex embarrassing behavior, preaching, whining and merching. If impossible happens and they adjust their behavior the benevolent Brits will probably just let them wave from their balconies and carriages.
Nutty Flavor said…
I'm with Fairy Crocodile. I'd be happy to see Meg with or without Harry setting up a little domicile in California and merching to her heart's content. Just don't take the British people's money while doing so.

Re: the Christmas walk. I assume that if Andrew comes this year, William and Kate will not make it the debut walk for George and possibly Charlotte, which is a shame. That could have been a nice distraction from the Andrew situation.

I wonder if Beatrice will bring Edo, in part to show that he isn't running away.
Jdubya said…
Did you see this one? Fun read

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/stefanie-powers-meghan-markle-prince-harry
Royal Fan said…
Exactly!! It’s the working royal living on tax payers money that irks people!! If you want to be a private citizen and live like a kardashian than just go and do it. Problem is Meghan Sparkle Markle doesn’t want to do that because she wants to be sees as a “working royal philanthropist” and live for free in a palace etc. She’ll never willingly give up the royal lifestyle.
Portcitygirl said…
Can I say congrats Brits on taking back your country and I hope Ruthless
William will take the Monarchy.
Charles is not up to task as evidenced by the Sussex debacle.
xxxxx said…
From Nutty Fl.
Ruthless William
One of the most interesting Royal developments of 2020 is William's increasing ruthlessness. He was a significant player in Andrew's removal from active Royal duty, and made sure the media knew that.


My alternate version is that Prince William was called on by Prince Charles to tell The Queen face to face what must be done with Prince Andrew. Charles is the ruthless one, but in a good way.

Charles was in far, far away New Zealand and The Solomons, going by the photos having a grand old time on his Royal Tour. Complete with Solomons natives putting on a show. I thought I was looking at an old National Geographic. Anyways... Charles phoned William and directed him. My guess is that at her advanced age The Queen does not get everything over the phone. Hard of hearing and so on. So face to face was needed to convey the urgency, to really get the point across that Andrew needed to be dealt with harshly.

Of course Charles phoned the Queen, short and sweet about Andrew. But William had the prime role as Charles' stand in and agent. William is not ruthless...yet.
lizzie said…
I would have been a bit surprised to see both George and Charlotte on the church walk this year regardless of the Andrew situation. Charlotte's only 4 after all. Will may have attended when he was George's age (6) but Harry didn't do The Walk until he was 7.

I agree Andrew's presence may complicate photo op aspects of the walk. But I don't really agree the Queen is being stubborn (or wrong) not to insist Andrew skip church services. In addition to being Andrew's mother and the "boss" in the family firm, she is the head of the COE. I don't think banning "sinners" fits with church teachings (especially during the second most holy season of the Christian calendar.) Plus, the walk IS a family time. He's not been kicked out of the family and presumably his daughters will also attend.

If I were TQ though, I definitely would allow Bea to bring Edo. If nothing else, it would show Meghan's invitation the first year wasn't because she was just so special.
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CookieShark said…
Between Greta and MM, (and I mean this apolitically) I have had enough being lectured this year by individuals ill-equipped to do so. MM can move to LA and merch earrings and fat-free French fries for all I care, I just do not want any more lectures and she needs to fund her lifestyle herself.

It's too bad for Harry. He was dearly loved but has become completely insufferable due to his association with MM. If he can break free of her, perhaps he can turn it around. There are lots of clips on Twitter recently of how she literally pushes him around. A new one I hadn't seen was from SA. She waves a staffer out of the way who is blocking her photo.

It's very quiet on CB. Nothing about her recently, not even the Jennifer Meyer kerfuffle. It makes me wonder if Kaiser is beginning to see the truth about MM.
Kate said…
I’m excited for the Christmas walk. I really hope we get to see the Cambridge kids.

I really hope that Harry & Meghan divorce soon. But I have a feeling she is trying hard to have another baby with H.
They were foolish to skip the Christmas walk this year, though I suspect they didn’t feel welcomed after all their shenanigans.
Izzy said…
Now that the General Election is finally out of the way, two things are now going to happen with regards to the RF. 1) the annual Christmas cards will now be released to help “cheer up” the British public. They have been waiting so that focus was not taken off the GE. William and Catherine’s effort will be heartwarming and family orientated as usual. There’s a bit of uncertainty about whether Harry and Meghan will release one of theirs... if they can finally agree on a suitable one. 2). The Queen will announce her retirement after 31 January 2020. This is why Boris took so long at the Palace. The Duke of Edinburgh is very unwell and The Queen wishes to spend more time with her husband. It is likely that the announcement will be made during The Queen’s Christmas speech.

It is extremely unfortunate that Harry and Meghan could not see fit to put differences aside so that Harry could spend a little time over the festive period with his grandfather. It appears that Harry is still being influenced by others unfortunately and you can’t help those who don’t want to be helped at the moment.

I, for one, am really looking forward to William and Catherine’s Christmas card with their children.
abbyh said…

Agree with you Kate that they most likely would not be welcomed if they had showed up (to the infamous family she never had.

And the cards. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Louise said…
I agree with Lizzie that Andrew should not be prevented from attending church.

For a person of faith (which the Queen is), church is exactly where Andrew should be.
Royal Fan said…
I suspect that Meghan was not welcome but I believe Harry and the baby were welcome. Sad to think little Archie isn’t going to have a relationship with either side of his family. He’s the one really suffering here since Meghan can’t seem to get along with either family of hers. She seems to be the problem if you ask me. Her familiar sure isn’t perfect but surely she doesn’t want her baby to grow up with no family at all.
Ozmanda said…
I think the next few weeks will be telling - if Has and Sparkles do not appear in any royal fam photos or appearances, this sends out a strong message that they are out.

I really hope and want to think Archie is happy and healthy with whoever has him.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Agree with Louise and Lizzie re Andrew attending church. He does need to repent and make amends, if there is anything left in his soul. Church and his mom's rebuke is what he needs.
Royal Fan said…
While I agree he needs to attend church, I wonder if there is way for him to do so without doing the walk for photos. That’s the part that is unappetizing. I don’t know if there is a way for him to be driven discretely to the church and join the family at the door and just walk in for services. Still part of the family and attending church but not out walking and making a big show to be in the pictures. The public would see that the family is still including him but doing so discreetly to avoid making the whole church service about him attending. It’s really in poor taste to have him do the walk with the family. I’m sure because of his personality he’ll walk with the family waving and being obscene about it. Frankly, he really doesn’t think he did anything wrong so he won’t walk quietly with his head down. He’ll have a stupid grin on his face and look absolutely like the cat that ate the canary. That’s really the problem with having him walk. He’s his own worst enemy. Much like Meghan, he can’t see he did anything wrong so he thinks this is a temporary set back and he’ll back to duty in no time. He’s going to create public outrage because of his unrepentant behavior.
KnitWit said…
My favorite passage of Stephanie Powers's opinion of our least favorite duchess. Hopped here to share the links to the daily beast and mail but it is already here...

"The actress charged that the Duchess of Sussex has tried to turn the Royal Family into her own personal TV show, 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous' 'The Adventures of Meghan in the Palace'.

'[Meghan] wants to be a star, which, I'm sorry, is not what she is supposed to be doing,' Powers said. 'Meghan's role is not about being a star.

'It's her job to be Harry's wife, not change the royal dynamic.'
Marie said…
I can see H&M's card, black and white version of an publicly known photo or a colour version of a secret photo of Archie meeting someone famous, with Meghan in the center holding Archie and not looking at the camera, and Harry looking at her.

I look forward to a true radio silence from MM's teams. The fact that Smartworks recently posted a gushing bit about her seems like a reversal of roles. She, as the patron, ought to be bringing positive attention and PR to Smartworks, instead of Smartworks working to get positive PR for Meg. I'll also look forward to the Sandringham walk. One of my favourite things about royal watching is seeing the hats, suits, coats, pearls. It's a shame this last bit of formality is slowly going the way of the Dodo and/or northern white rhino. It also seems that Kate has debuted fewer new pieces of jewellery since Megantoinette was added to the budget.

I really don't think H&M are out. Their lack of presence might be simply Charles and the Queen respecting their wishes and hoping that with time off, they will come around. Some parents are terribly irrational and forever optimistic towards their deadbeat children, and Charles is probably using Meghan to get to Harry. I imagine Harry has very much used the Diana death guilt card on Charles as well as the hapless overlooked second son of a monarch card, and that both are quite effective. I also don't think Meg's wokeness disturbs Charles too much. He's very much a refined British version of her - hypocrite when it comes to luxury yet fiercely environmental/organic food advocate, easily flattered, likely into New Age spirituality more so than steadfast CoE, probably believes Meghan when she says she enjoys reading books as he does, etc.
Anonymous said…
I think it's sad that the BRF is having the Cambridge children do the church walk this year just for some positive PR spin. DM is reporting that all three children will walk. Maybe HM should have Andrew sit out this year so the Cambridges don't have to pick up the slack. Andrew can attend by sliding invisibly into and out of the church. He shouldn't be part of the procession.

On a side note I think the Sussex marriage is over. They haven't publicly announced the divorce but it's a done deal. The BRF can't take the continued barrage of bad PR coming from Meghan's antics. Between Meghan and Andrew the entire family's future is on thin ice. I wish Harry healing during his inpatient mental health stay. I'm hearing that's what this sabbatical was meant to accomplish. So poor Harry could get some long overdue therapy.
abbyh said…

Marie ... omgosh, you have no idea

Charles and the Queen respecting their wishes and hoping that with time off, they will come around. Some parents are terribly irrational and forever optimistic towards their deadbeat children

At one point in my life, I was a volunteer with a local group offering support (suicide/financial/life issues/sex addicts and so on).

I may not remember my first suicider (oh profanity) but I can still remember the parental unit calling in about free drug rehab. The call I will remember until I die. So, I'm asking about what is going on.

Turns out the parents have dragged the kid through drug detox (forced) through insurance. Then the kid was dragged through detox (forced) court ordered. I (what ever stupid or just trying to get clarification) asked: Why do you think it will work this time? meaning you have run out of money and court backing ...

"Because I want it to."
lizzie said…
@Royal Fan, I do know what you mean about the optics of the walk. But personally I think it would backfire to try to "sneak" Andrew into the church. For one thing, it would tend to draw even more attention to the issue.  And IMO, it would tend to say to the public the optics of the walk are more important to the RF than the religious occasion and are more important than family. Of course, I have read people are saying (not here so much) the Queen shouldn't have allowed him to go to church with her at Balmoral either. So maybe people would like to see a public thrashing on Christmas Day. Me, not so much.

@Ann, I wasn't able to find the DM story you mentioned. But I can't believe 20-month old Louis is going to walk or that anyone including the Queen would think it's a good idea. So I kind of doubt the DM story even though I haven't read it :)
Anonymous said…
I don’t think their marriage is over and I don’t think they are out at BRF either. Like everyone says though, the next few weeks will be interesting. I wonder if they are still in Toronto? Solid reports that the three are together. It’s a fantasy that Harry is in rehab and they aren’t together and someone else has Archie.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: I like @Ann’s thoughts on the Harkles...that it’s over. I’m hanging onto that. Please, nobody try to convince me otherwise...my sensibilities can’t take it.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: @Drabredcarpet...”solid reports that they are together”...I must have missed that. Links please?
Anonymous said…
I’ll have to go find it. It was on twitter and when they were received in Toronto for thanksgiving.
Anonymous said…
Ok it says they arrived in Toronto on December 4. Received at Landmark Aviation (private plane). Customs boarded the plane and cleared all 3. SUV arrived at the ramp and all 3 got in suv. No media present.
Anonymous said…
I was wrong about thanksgiving.
KnitWit said…
Dripdrip and TorontoPaper on Twitter said Meg wasn't allowed into Canada due to visa/tax issues. They may be insiders may be trolls. Who knows?

https://twitter.com/Dripdro74842947/status/1205170091949797376?s=19



Anonymous said…
Did twitter just got down? I can’t get on all of a sudden. It’s stalling out.
Anonymous said…
@knitwit trolls/fun entertainment account
NeutralObserver said…
A quick comment, before I go back to 'real life.' It seems to me the RF isn't as hapless as I thought they were. I think they've maneuvered the Harkles into a position of weakness whether or not they remain married. Megs is in a weakened position if they divorce. She's a damaged brand. The RF will have the whip hand in divorce negotiations. She'll have to accept what they'll offer. Revelations about Andrew can't do more damage. If the Harkles stay married, the same applies, They're a damaged brand as a couple as well. Neither Harry nor Megs can lift the other out of the slough. I think they've been given enough rope to sully their own image. Another thought, the RF was understandably concerned that the Andrew mess might affect the election. I wonder if it had any effect at all. I doubt Megs was a big help to Labour in any case.
Anonymous said…
Nope TP is a small group of people at least one of whom speaks French and is Canadian. I'd believe TP long before I'd believe Omid Scoby who btw said they spent Thanksgiving in LA with Doria.
KnitWit said…
I hope Harry is in rehab/therapy without visitation. He needs the help. Best of all, hard to " work hard" on baby #2 if they are in different continents!

I don't understand risking a life of leisure and luxury for measly merching bucks. If she wanted to be a Kardasian, she should go after the son, whatshisname. She would seem Klassy compared to Kim. I haven't watched the show, but I would tune in to see a Katfight with Meg's and the Klan.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: thanks @Drabredcarpet, but how do you know about this account of them arriving in Canada if there was no media present? Who publicized this? Where did you read it?
Unknown said…
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Anonymous said…
Sorry, guys, twitter went down for me before I could post the twitter name.
Anonymous said…
I wonder if that is enough info to find records of a plane from los Angeles on December 4 to landmark aviation in Toronto? I assume netjets.
Anonymous said…
@knitwit Americans only need a passport to get into Canada by plant. Not a visa.
lizzie said…
Agree a source is needed. But if true, the info is implying H, M, and baby are flying around on private jets with no security or staff? (The cited info kept referring to "3.") I find that unlikely.
Anonymous said…
Twitter user name “rosesarered” @misskimisme
CatEyes said…
I am respectful of what some here castigate Nutty posters for their conspiracy theories but personally, I think it is way too far fetched that Archie is not with Harry and MM. To think that some biological mom in SA or wherever has custody of Archie just seems so outrageous. It is possible that it was a surrogacy but still?!! I will be the first to apologize if it is the case, but why would the Queen let such a thing happen? Please let me know why no investigative journalist does not give details of what could be the scoop of the century? Please let me know some working info that would prove such a thing.
Are we taking bets on the Sussex Christmas photo?? Well then... I say they will release a previously unseen black and white from the christening. A picture taken outside, with sunshine, heavily edited to seem almost chrome. I bet MM rather fancies herself I'm the white christening dress she wore but never got to show it off.

Also, they would be the last ones to release their Christmas photo, maybe around next weekend? After the endless speculation of will they/won't they reaches it's utmost frenzy.

That's my guess, anyway. Off to bed again.
Nutty Flavor said…
Good morning, all!

I'm skeptical on the Twitter report of Meg and Harry's arrival in Canada. The account named has only 160 followers and no other inside information that I can see.

I have more followers than her on a non-Nutty branded account and could just as easily say I'd seen Meg and Harry on the teacup ride at Disneyland with Archie flying out the side, and somebody would believe it.

At any rate, perhaps some net detective will be able to find the flight tracking. @Drabredcarpet is correct that Americans do not need a visa to enter Canada. There are also some alternatives to a passport for regular visitors.
Nutty Flavor said…
RE: Andrew and the church walk.

A masterstroke would be to have Andrew skip the walk but be photographed leaving the church with the family. He was inside, asking forgiveness! He's still part of the family!

He could be surrounded on exit by his loving daughters, who have been supportive way beyond the call of duty.
Jdubya said…
Harry markle has a new post
Sandie said…
Less than 3 weeks left of the year ...

The Xmas walk to church will be interesting. Both Jack and Edo have family that they are close to so it would be sad if they are at Sandringham and away from their families (as with Kate and others who married into the family). But perhaps the Xmas day walk to church will be a show of solidarity and other than that they will divide their time between Sandringham and their families. As for Andrew ... I think Nutty's suggestion is perhaps the most diplomatic: show his face (suitably subdued if he can do that) leaving the church and getting into the car with his mother (she is his mother and as such should not ghost him as Meghan does with inconvenient family, but she should not shield him from consequences of his actions, i.e. from the press or the law).

The cards will be predictable, but it will be nice to see the Cambridge family as their family moment will be genuine. As for the Sussexes ... it will be arty/trendy and will show a family unit that is actually a bit of a lie (I disagree with other commentators and think that the marriage is in real trouble, which they unfortunately may try to fix by having another IVF child).

The Queen's speech will probably be the most difficult she has ever given. I think she will focus on love and forgiveness, reconciliation, working together, pledging to be of service (her legacy) ... I am looking forward to her speech and think it may be the most important she has ever given.

The Christmas lunch will be sometime next week and it will be interesting to see who attends and who doesn't. Would be lovely to get a photo of the children enjoying the celebrations, but that is not the tradition.

More scandal before 2020? Is there anything else that can be revealed about Andrew? I am sure there is plenty of gossip about the Sussexes that is just waiting to be spilled. One cannot control all the people all the time, and wherever they are, they need food and servants so they are not alone (and I doubt they are all holed up in Doria's house).
Liver Bird said…
It would be very foolish of the queen to allow Andrew to appear on the Sandringham Christmas walk but she's stubborn enough to allow it to happen. If he does walk, there's pretty much no chance of George making his first appearance and provoking a chorus oh "Awws!" across the country.

I also see that Beatrice cancelled her big engagement do last week, for fear of the paps targetting Andrew (which begs the question as to why have your engagement party at a well-known celeb haunt, and let the press know all about it in advance?) We are told that there has been no mention of the wedding date due to the elections, though quite why the marriage of the 9th in line is such a sensitive subject is puzzling. I suspect the wedding may not happen. I get major grrifter vibes from Edo and he may have figured out that marriage to Andrew's daughter would be a liability. We'll see.

As for the Harkles, I have my doubts that Meghan is really in LA networking. i don't think she'd be able to resist dropping hint or arranging pap walks if she was. What does seem clear to me is that this 'family time' has been imposed on them rather than the other way round. As for the Xmas card, a joyless black and white 'throwback' photo is my guess.
Nutty Flavor said…
Oh, I forgot about the Christmas lunch.

That's the one where Princess Michael wore the brooch of Balthazaar, one of the three wise men, correct?

It was assumed to be a racist reference to Meghan joining the family, and maybe it was, but I also don't see any reason to erase Balthazar from the wise man group. Would it have been considered OK if the brooch had also included Melchior and Caspar?

I remember on Lipstick Alley, which is dominated by Black women, there were some ladies saying they wouldn't have been opposed to wearing the brooch themselves. It's a very pretty brooch made in Italy, and perhaps on a Black woman it would be seen as an expression of pride.
Nutty Flavor said…
I understand that you don't like Edo, Liver Bird, but I don't think he's a grifter.

Unlike Meg, he has a pretty good business going, which the Telegraph went into detail about a couple of weeks ago.

Edo renovates, decorates, and sells extremely high-end London real estate to extremely high-end people, so I wouldn't be surprised if his circles and Andrew's creepy oligarch circles intersect. At his new project, the apartments *start* at 6 million pounds. Not many nice-guy customers with that kind of cash.
Nutty Flavor said…
I should add, though, that it's beyond obvious that he and Bea should get married in a small ceremony at his family's estate in Italy.

They're both over 30, he already has a kid, and her father has shamed the family beyond belief. There's absolutely no justification for a fancy fairy-princess wedding in England.

The official excuse why they have not planned for this is that the Queen and Prince Philip can't travel, but that'll just have to be too bad. They can watch a nice video from the comfort of home.

My guess is that the only one who still has fairy-princess wedding hopes is Andrew.
Liver Bird said…
It's not that I don't 'like' Edo. I don't know him. I just don't think he's marrying - if indeed his is marrrying - the queen's granddaughter out of passionate love. He may have a good business going - though who really knows how succesfsul he is and how much money he makes - but that's exzatly the reason why he would want the connections which being married to a member of the royal family would bring.

I just think the lack of a date for the wedding is a bad sign. Usually with royal engagements, the wedding date is announced very soon after the engagement announcement. But it's been 3 months in this case. The elections are over now, so if we don't get a date this side of Christmas, my guess is the wedding isn't happening.
Nutty Flavor said…
You could be right. Perhaps we should add a wedding annoucement, or lack of it, to the things to look forward to in 2019.

Usually with royal engagements, the wedding date is announced very soon after the engagement announcement. But it's been 3 months in this case.

Given Andrew's problems, this isn't a "usual" royal engagement.
Liver Bird said…
"Given Andrew's problems, this isn't a "usual" royal engagement."

So why publically announce the engagement at all? Bea is only 9th in line so no reason she couldn't have just had a quiet wedding in Italy and only announced it afterwards. And that planned flashy engagement party at notorious pap hang-out, the Chiltern Firehouse?
Marie said…
@abbyh, that's a rather shocking experience indeed. I wonder what happened to that person, or if his family disowned him?

I realise I didn't consider those cases. Charles even showed signs of strict behaviour when, if I remember correctly, Harry was caught smoking marijuana at Eton. But I think it is different with choosing a wife. Of all people, I do imagine Charles would be the last to intervene with Harry's love life. I do think Harry is besotted with her. Meg and her "mission" to save the world gives him that high of giving him purpose in life, which as a second brother to a future king he probably quite lacked.

I also think profligate spending or saying stupid things is not on the same level of concern for Charles or the Queen. Look at Princess Margaret, or Sophie's misstep in the beginning. Even the Queen has a purported soft spot for Fergie, after all her tackiness. Charles (or someone else) acted rather swiftly, clearly, and high-profile with Andrew, and yet they still waited until after the dreadful interview to intervene. So I extrapolate and say that Meg and Harry have to have decades of bad relations and then be caught on photo or camera doing something either illegal or morally distasteful before they are asked to step down from duties or meant to felt like second-class citizens. We might see Meghan's weaknesses and possible consequences; I don't imagine Charles is neutral enough to see past the charming reverence and flattery, just as Justin Welby cannot. Doing just one of the aforementioned isn't enough. I imagine H&M are fearful about the money tap, though, when William would become king. Which explains why the incredible speed of PR to use their shrinking window of relevancy to establish their own foundation.
Regarding Bea and Edos very public engagement announcement and the subsequent silence, I have a few theories about them and the whole situation.

The announcement came in September end, while the Harkles we're famously still on tour in Africa. At the time the situation regarding Andy and the Brfs stance about him very very very different. He was still a working royal. He was still very ambitious for his daughters and especially for Bea who, it seems to me, is pretty uneventful otherwise. Drumming up interest in Bea this way could very likely have been a way to make her, a blood princess!!, more relevant in the coming times. Andy's ouster since then derailed that plan.

It also seems like a deliberate snub by the Yorks of the Sussexes who had famously 'stolen the limelight' at Eug's wedding a year back with their unnecessary pregnancy announcement. While some have been skeptical to accept this theory I think the royals could absolutely be this petty. A lot of things that have happened since indicate that.

I don't thinkEdo is a social climber or a grifter. Nor do I feel he stands to gain anything socially/financially by this BRF connection. However, he is rich. Comes from a rich, well known, aristocratic family. He is genuinely blueblooded and to some that does matter. So he infact is a good match for Bea, whose future is secured so to say upon marrying him. (I know, I know, I'm been very sexist. The demi it's are going to haunt my dreams for weeks for this one!). But Bea seems to be quieter, less ambitious, we don't really know what she does at work or how good or bad she is, but the fact that we haven't heard much says something. She doesn't seem much interested in a career or doing any charity work. We just see her at these society do's. So she is the one who does stand to gain from this match.

And for what it's worth, I do think k they are a genuine, in love couple, who just landed themselves on gossip blogs just because of who their parents are. Bad luck more like it.
Nutty Flavor said…
Good point, Alice - Edo and Bea grew up together in the same circles, so her "contacts" are probably already his contacts.

I also agree that Bea doesn't seem to be an ambitious person in terms of career. Some people are just born to be stay-at-home moms or dads, and she seems to be one of them. Supposedly she has become one of the primary carers for her stepson. She seems very eager to get the ceremony underway so she can start her own family.

The stepkid's mom is ambitious (and a little publicity-hungry). Maybe Edo found himself better suited to a quiet partner.
Jenx said…
Not a peep here in Canada regarding the dastardly duo. Her working visa was probably revoked when she was no longer working in Toronto. We all need passports to cross the Canada-Us border, except the BRF, of course, because we are Commonwealth. Does MM as an American fall under that umbrella? Who knows? She could have been denied entry if she had a criminal record or maybe wanted by Uncle Sam - IRS. But I think that is unlikely. The Mulroneys are pretty high up the social pecking order here and I believe they could pull the necessary strings.

Here is an interesting article from my local rag. Comments were less than enthusiastic.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/pellerin-how-to-save-the-monarchy-make-prince-harry-canadas-next-gg

This will not happen. I cannot even begin to imagine MM presiding over the genteel Annual Garden Party or hkm delivering the speech from the throne.

I am with the other ... K don't care what they do as long as they go away and do whatever they do o their own coin.
lizzie said…
I don't think Bea should be deprived of having a wedding in her own country simply because of her father's behavior. I also don't think she should be deprived of having a wedding her grandmother (and possibly her grandfather) could attend. Both York princesses are said to be very close to the Queen.

I do agree she can't have a wedding like Eugenie's but there are options between that kind of wedding and having a tiny secret wedding in Italy.
CatEyes said…
@lizzie

Well, something we agree on *smile....you took the words out of my mouth. Also, the fact that probably most of Bea's and Edo's friends are in the UK would be a consideration. Heaven forbid if most had to fly and put all those carbon emissions in the air.
CatEyes said…
@Jenx said:

>>>She could have been denied entry if she had a criminal record or maybe wanted by Uncle Sam - IRS. But I think that is unlikely.<<<

Unbelievably the IRS can be very diligent, even aggressive. Case in point, I was critically ill, with a death sentence and an IRS agent showed up at my door because I didn't file a return on a minuscule business I had (small because I was told I had a fatal incurable illness and could not work, and it was never big anyway. An aside: Alive to wrtie due to miracle). I invited the agent in to talk and very quickly talks broke down and he would not leave. He called the police. I called the main local office which was within 5 miles of me. Outcome Me 1, IRS 0. But It was ugly for a few minutes so they can be brutal. BTW if anyone needs help ask for the IRSTaypayer Advocate and they will help you.

So IRS could show up at border for Megs but I highly doubt it especially with family in tow. If she is in LA then all bets are off iif they want to talk to her!
NeutralObserver said…
Most of my pretty low key Christmas preparations are done, cards sent, decorations up, & gifts wrapped, etc.,so I have a bit of time to waste on this silly topic.

Re: Charles & Megs, yes Charles, like many, may be susceptible to flattery & charm, but he also takes the monarchy & his family's role very seriously. I doubt he'll tolerate for long anyone or anything that might damage the RF in the public's perception. He already seems to have reined in the Harkle spending as well as their public profile.

Re: the Harkle marriage. I don't think things are too rosy & idyllic in Frog Cott.. Harry has seemed impatient with Megs in most of their recent public appearances together, including his glum expression when they were exiled to a back row at the Remembrance gala. In fact, he's seemed done with her since Archie's alleged birth last May. He very obviously snapped at her on TOC, he seemed to avoid her & be embarrassed by her in her high-as-a-kite appearance at the baseball game. He adroitly evaded her 'claw' at the Lion King, while he supposedly shopped her to Iger for work. Even in Africa, scene of their stagy looking snogging, much of their time was spent apart. He also looked pretty fed up when Megs kept edging closer to him at the Remembrance Day wreath laying ceremony. I know that newspapers are always dragging out those idiot 'body language experts' to say things about celebs & royals, but you don't have to be an 'expert' to see the obvious. Actors who hate each other behind the scenes do a much better job at seeming to be best buddies in public. Of course, Harry isn't an actor, & Megs has never been a very good one.
Jenx said…
@neutral I would have loved for him to have stayed put at the wreath laying and then clocked her in the head when he saluted.
Mischief Girl said…
@Nutty: "My guess is that the only one who still has fairy-princess wedding hopes is Andrew."

I'd add Sarah, Duchess of York to that equation.

Poor Sarah. I find her tragic in the extreme. She's made poor choices in her life and the one big bet she gambled on (totally my conjecture)--supporting Andrew no matter what, with the hopes of remarriage after Philip dies, and if not remarriage at least a formal reconnection as a couple, so she could live her last decades without worrying about money--have all come to nothing now that Andrew is so disgraced.

She is just a mess. I'd feel bad for Sarah but she, like Meghan, had it all and managed to blow it. Sarah, like Meghan, failed to realize that the BFR as an institution isn't going to change just because they married into it and that they needed to accommodate themselves to the BRF, not the other way around.

Hard to garner sympathy for people who piss away such amazing opportunities.
Liver Bird said…
@NeutralObserver

I suspect that behind the scenes, the Harkle marriage is very volatile. Lots of lovey-dovey moments, but also lots of tears, shouting and sulking. Obviously pure speculation on my part, but there have been a few moments here and there - like the 'turn around' on the balcony for Trooping - that give us hints of what things might be like behind closed doors.
lizzie said…
@Mischief Girl,

I don't disagree about Sarah making poor choices. But I do wonder what would have happened if Andrew hadn't been in the Navy. He and Sarah spent an average of 40 days a year together while married because he was deployed (although he did get an extra 10 days of leave when Bea was born.)

Many marriages don't survive those kinds of separations. And while some people tend to think of Sarah as an older bride because she was older than Diana (and therefore should have been able to "settle down" better) Sarah was only 26 when she married 26-year old Andrew.

While Will was still in the RAF when he married, he and Kate lived together while he served in Wales. While they seem to have a strong marriage today, I do wonder what would have happened had they spent only 40 days a year together for the first 6 years of marriage. And H&M whine about needing family time when it seems they've had alot. Harry does fewer royal events than most "senior" royals and has been out of the service for years.
marjorie said…
The SussexFoundation... taking their cues from the dirty ClintonFoundation.
Anonymous said…
There is so much to comment on from Nutty this week, I hardly know where to start!

I have my doubts that Andrew will make the walk this year, he's just too toxic right now. While it is a Christian tenet to forgive, it is also a Christian tenet that there are consequences to actions. He would be booed by the crowd and that's the last thing the monarchy needs if they expect not to be thrown to the curb like one of the parties was in the GE.

I do think George will make his walk debut this year because of all of the above, as will Bea's intended - to dilute Meg's appearance before she was a royal - as she must face consequences for her actions, too. I think that's what the people want, a fresh start, a new beginning, hope for the future and something to immediately look forward to I think will be served up for this Christmas' royal dinner.

The Queen's speech will be interesting, but I think it will not reflect too much on the train wrecks that have happened this year with Mrs. Engleson and Randy Andy. I can see more of a focus on positive changes ahead which will not include Her Maj stepping down or making any moves of that nature whatsoever.

If there have been decisions made behind the curtain by Charles or Wills, I think that would continue behind curtains. People want stability and tradition, they have spoken out for it this week and the Queen will honor that decision. After all, she is only where she is by the love and grace of the people, and she will respect that like she has done for the last 60+ years. She has never jumped the shark and I seriously doubt she would choose now of all times to do so.
xxxxx said…
Blogger lizzie said...
I don't think Bea should be deprived of having a wedding in her own country simply because of her father's behavior. I also don't think she should be deprived of having a wedding her grandmother (and possibly her grandfather) could attend. Both York princesses are said to be very close to the Queen.


Having two weddings being trendy these days. How about the first and main one in Italy. W lots of the Italian familia attending. With Pr Andrew attending. And all having a grande old time. With lots of good photos for the tabloids etc. This discharges some of the electricity from the Andrew controversy.

Then have the second in England where the Queen and Prince Philip and other Royals can attend. Also other select family and friends. With Andrew making a very brief appearance for the walk down the aisle. With only few photos
lizzie said…
@xxxxx,

Interesting idea of two weddings. I don't think it will work but interesting idea. The reasons I don't think it will work as you've suggested:

It would be very odd IMO to have a *second* wedding for the Queen. I'm not even sure that would be acceptable within the COE if the second was to be done as an actual wedding. Within the COE (as well as other Protestant churches), marriage isn't a sacrament but it is a sacramental rite. Not sure those can be repeated for different audiences but I'm not an expert on the COE.

Sometimes when a first marriage ceremony is civil, say in a government official's office, a wedding is later held in a church. But in that case, the church can say it didn't recognize the civil ceremony so the second ceremony is the first and only ceremony in the eyes of the church. And I don't quite see how the "big Italian bash" you describe fits with a civil ceremony in a registry office (although I guess the big bash officiant could be a civil servant.)

If it was done in the order you suggested, I'm not sure why Andrew's appearance would have to be brief at the private second wedding you've suggested it would. IF a private family wedding WAS held, I'm not sure why the public should care how much Andrew----Bea's father and the Queen's son--- participated. To me that level of intrusion does cross the line.

If it was done the other way around (private first in UK with the Queen) then there would be lots of bashing of the RF over the expense of a second wholly unnecessary wedding in Italy. (They could bleat all day about it being privately funded and it wouldn't matter.) And the same issue re: the church would arise if the first wedding (the one in the UK) had been church based. And it would have had to be for the Queen to attend, I expect. She didn't attend Charles' civil ceremony.

I guess there could be a church blessing in the UK after a civil wedding in Italy (as there was when Charles and Camilla were married in a civil ceremony in Windsor.) But that would tar Bea in a way she does not deserve.

I'm sticking to my belief Bea deserves to have her wedding--her only wedding--in the UK if that's what she wants. I do not think choosing the UK is at all unreasonable---it's where she was born and where she lives, where her family lives, where Edo was born and where he lives, where most of Edo's immediate family lives (including his son) and where many of Bea's and Edo's friends live. It's also where Bea is expected to live given her future role as a counselor of state.

Her father's behavior is not of her doing.
Anonymous said…
I think Bea should have a normal type church wedding like everyone else does. However, she may want the OTT princess wedding and could be waiting for things to blow over for all we know.

As for H,M &A in Toronto, it’s another choice. I agree the idea that The theory A isn't with them and is with someone else is preposterous. I do hope a web sleuth can track a private jet from LA area to Toronto around December 4. Seems possible. I’m not up on tracking flights.



Tea Cup said…
Me? I do not care for those cheesy Hallmark 'Countdown to Christmas' movies; never watched any and never intend to. The trailers are enough to turn me very firmly off the idea, blegh. Though fun fact, where I live is an oft used locale for many of those said movies.

What I am looking forward to is the Christmas special with Mary Berry, and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. It will hit just the right festive sweet spot for me and I am curious to see Catherine's personality more in detail and she and William in a more casual setting. If I am not mistaken, it airs this coming Monday evening. I just hope those of us outside the British Isles or without Sky will be able to stream it once it broadcasts on the BBC.
Nutty Flavor said…
Nice to have you back, Mischi.

I see that Bea and Edo were out together last night at the Evening Standard owner's party, also attended by Mick Jagger and Boris Johnson. So Edo hasn't run away yet.

Yes, I should have also added the Mary Berry with the Cambridges episode to my list of upcoming events.

No Christmas card photo today! I'm surprised - I thought it would be a natural for the Sunday papers.
Fedde said…
Honestly, I don't understand all the resistance against Andrew joining "the Walk" or Beatrice getting the wedding she wants where ever and however she wants it (as long as she/Edo pays for it). Perhaps it's because I'm a foreigner but while Andrew is a pompous ass and a fool for being friends with Epstein (in public) for so long and doing that train wreck television interview, he's still family.

Now, I'm not familiar with all the teachings of the Church of England but I imagine family, love and forgiveness are important aspects of it.

Should Andrew join the BRF on "the Walk"? Yes. It shows that despite his misgivings (not actual crimes) he's still a part of the family, goes to church and is supported by his family. Unlike a certain new member of the family who drops friends & family like hot potatoes when it suits her. Is QEII stubborn if she lets Andrew join them rather than make him sneak inside and only appear to the public exiting as suggested? No, I don't think so. She's supporting her (foolish) son and, according to her religion, is probably working on forgiving him for all the hardship he's caused his family and all that stuff.

Should Andrew be in QEII's car while driving over there? Probably not. There's supporting your son and rubbing it in the public's face. It also wasn't a wise move when she let him join him in her car (which is allegedly quite an honor) right after the public accusations and his train wreck interview. It would have reflected much better on both of them if they'd arrived separately, her putting a hand or whatever on his arm when they met up in front of the church (with him bowing/kneeling as they do) as a sign of support and then go inside together.

Is Beatrice entitled to the kind of wedding she wants, wherever she wants it? Yes, she is. The sins of the father and all that... As long as she, Edo and/or their parents are paying for it, she should have as nice a wedding as Eugenie with the BRF attending. I can imagine she might not want that much of a spotlight on her due to her father's reputation and perhaps being less fond of it in general (that's always the impression I've gotten from her, possibly due to the harsh comments she often got from the public/media because she's not as photogenic as her sister and has/had a bad taste in style), but all of that should be her and Edo's (and her father's choice). Hopefully for her, this will be her only wedding and why should she not do it however she wants, with her grandmother the Queen attending and her father escorting her down the aisle? He is still her father and you can say whatever you want about him and Sarah, but they both love their daughters and seem to have raised them pretty well compared to some others in the BRF/public eye.

Besides, if Harry gets to have a glamorous wedding to his two/three-time wedded fiancée he barely knows and who isn't even a British (tax-paying) citizen with over 30 million tax-payer-funnded security and with no relatives but her own mother present, then why wouldn't Beatrice who's rarely put a foot wrong (some celeb parties and too many vacations aside)?

Doing two weddings, one in Italy and one in Britain, with one being a big fancy fairytale wedding and the other a "normal" or even civil wedding, is a bad idea, though. I agree with @lizzie on that. And honestly don't know why anyone who's opposed to Beatrice having a proper wedding in the UK with the BRF attending, thinks two separate weddings would be a good idea. Aside from the carbon emissions and Airmiles Andy stuff it would involve, there'd be a lot of money in a time when the BRF is already being criticized for both bad behavior (Andrew, H&M, QEII's support of Andrew, PP's car crash earlier this year etc.) and spending too much money.
Sconesandcream said…
Well, for me Christmas has come early as they have indeed disappeared on their break. Been lovely to have nothing new from them. Even their PR team has gone quiet. Yes, I know she has posted a few charity bits on their insta which always includes a photo of MM because that it is Tig2 but otherwise it has been lovely.

I do wonder what she is up to - plastic surgery for nose no.3, interviewing new surrogates, searching for hubby no.4, updating her secret diary..I do hope though that PH is in rehab for his addiction issues and hopefully speaking to a psychologist about dealing with a narcissist.

Looking forward to seeing the Cambridge kiddos on the Christmas card. They are all cuties.
Mischief Girl said…
@lizzie--

You're right, Andrew and Sarah spent waaaaay too much time apart during their marriage. She lacked his encouraging, steadying presence and support. I'd bet she had to find her own way in the family without a lot of guidance.

I remember reading a story that I found so telling of the myriad ways a newbie to the family could trip themselves up. I can't remember the castle (Balmoral? Sandringham?) or if the story involved Diana or Sarah, but they entered a drawing room and were told to (basically) "have a seat, anywhere!" and went to sit down and screams erupted "Not in THAT chair! That was Queen Victoria's!" I mean how does one survive those minefields without a loving and supportive spouse present who can tell the rest of the family to stand down and take a chill pill?

Sarah seemed to find an ally in Prince Philip, and I'd bet Sarah turned to Diana for support and guidance, but Diana had her own issues. I'd also bet that Diana wasn't averse to letting Sarah "fail" so she could be the lightening rod and focus of negative press rather than herself.

Maybe one reason Sophie and Kate seem like such a breath of fresh air (to me) is that they appear to be on an even emotional keel. Diana, Sarah, and Meghan all came into the BRF with some heavily damaged emotional baggage.
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Royal Fan said…
@Nutty

I like your plan for Andrews church attendance plan better than mine. I hadn’t thought of that but it would perfectly. Hopefully, this is what the RF does but we shall see.

As for the trio, I for one do think that H&M do have technical legal custody of Archie, although I think he mostly lives at Frogmore with his nannies and staff while H&M party etc with their respective friends all over the world. I think Meg is in Canada and H is probably on some hunting trip with the boys. I think rehab is wishful thinking.
Girl with a Hat said…
by the way, I didn't delete my comment because of Trudy; I deleted it because there is so much nastiness here and narcissistic posters that I really don't want to have anything to do with it.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: there do appear to be several of us ‘unknowns’ posting on this blog. I’m sorry that I haven’t taken the time to straighten out my google acct. sufficiently to enable my nom de plume to be shown...but, if I post, I will always announce myself. 🐛
Anonymous said…
Daily mail said Bea and Edo will announce wedding date second week of January and wedding is expected to be early June.
lizzie said…
@Drabredcarpet,

Thanks for the DM info. I'm not sure I believe it. The article says "I’m told we can expect the ceremony to be in early June, as the racing-obsessed Monarch has stipulated the date must not interrupt her favourite meeting, which next year starts on June 16."

Somehow I wouldn't think the Queen would want the wedding date to interfere with Trooping the Colour either but that's not even mentioned in the article. The main TOC event is on Saturday June 13 but there are other related events the two weekends before that. So we'll see.
lucy said…
in my opinion I think it is shitty to chastise nutty for not having a moderator. complainers need to toughen up LOL this is the internet . wah wah someone called me a "troublemaker" delete it! roflmao! really?

I have a solution, agree to start over or just don't engage one another period.

wanting nutty to hire someone to scrub insults from an anonymous blog hurled by anonymous people is laughable at best

JHanoi said…

I prefer the dailymail and harkles for my daily drama fix so i find the infighting silly and high school. But cat-fights and hissy-fits seem to be human nature and is what often happens on these types of forums.
Nutty shouldn’t have to play nursemaid and clean-up after your messes. If you offend easily and can’t take the heat after posting, then go to your safe space off line rather than bore the rest of us with your squabbles.

Maybe the queen will have randy ride with her in the car. I don’t think most of the family want to be photographed with him at this point and will avoid it. But i hope the york girls do show up and make the walk. They’re innocent in this mess and shouldn’t be penalized for their dads/parents mistakes. Plus it will show up the harkles who will be mia.
KnitWit said…
Just popped in to see what's new in the nuttiverse. Scrolling past the nastiness as I suppose many others do.

I appreciate nutty's blog and her insightful comments. None of us has the right to add items to her already long Todo list.
KnitWit said…
I am still offended by the photo of Prince Andrew and the queen laughing in the car on their way to church. Laissez faire in the extreme.

The queen doesn't need to be booed on her way to church. A walk with the scandal free royals and their children would be more appropriate.

I think the wedding should be in Italy. An expensive UK royal wedding with PA walking the bride down the aisle is a terrible idea. The queen can receive the couple for tea or other discrete honor.

Prince Andrew should have retired from public life a long time ago. He invited Epstein and Weinstein to his daughter's teen party. What kind of shady types would he invite to a wedding? Enough is enough with that twit. Sex scandals and financial irregularities need to be taken seriously.
luxem said…
PA failed to show remorse about what happened to the Epstein victims until AFTER it was pointed out to him that he failed to show remorse in the interview. His denials, after-the-fact statement of remorse and general arrogance does not indicate a person who has accepted his failings and is ready for forgiveness. To me, that is the biggest reason why he should not do the Christmas walk. The family can support him behind closed doors and through statements to the press, but letting him do the Christmas walk seems to be thumbing their noses at public sentiment. Yes, he should be in church at Christmas to reflect on his shortcomings, but perhaps he should be driven in a car with Prince Philip or Eug/Jack first and enter the church before the walkers and the queen arrive? I hope George is included in the walk as well as Edo with Bea. Hopefully that would brighten the mood.
Royal Fan said…
I’m hoping Enforcer Will puts his foot down with the help of his father Charles and they talk some sense into the Queen. If they don’t, she will absolutely have Andrew walking with the family. That’s what she would do if given her choice.



SouthernGinger said…
Let Andrew do the church walk just so we can see Wills scarf someone again!

What kind of wedding did Zara have? Was it highly publicized like Eugenie’s? What about the Windsor cousin weddings? I think Bea can have her U.K. wedding but unfortunately not with the fanfare of her sister or Wales cousins.

As for the Harkles, I don’t think they left the U.K. The break was definitely imposed on them, which I think meant no trips abroad because that would entail travel costs including RPOs.

lizzie said…
@Southern Ginger

I don't know how "publicized" Zara's wedding was but there were pictures released. It wasn't a "secret" wedding at all.

Peter's wedding was quite controversial because he and Autumn sold pictures to Hello mag. It was a big deal. See https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/2004590/Queen-halts-celebrity-magazine-deals-after-Peter-Phillips-Autumn-Kelly-Hello-wedding.html
Anonymous said…
I had an interesting thought today. What if Harry is channeling all his frustrations that he has felt over the last few years through his wife, i.e., being second best, cast in the light of the "lad" of the BRF, and not accorded the respect given to his brother (for obvious reasons to the rest of us but not to him). Ms. Markle comes along and becomes his avatar for all his resentments that have been simmering away for years. He sees her as an opportunity to get the sort of exposure and respect that he feels he's been denied. This would explain to me his deference to her at public events in violation of royal protocol, and the bizarre pronouncement early on in this "game" that his fiancé was being subjected to a barrage of racist articles by the media. I think the majority of us were scratching our heads at that one, because WHAT racist articles? But I think it was more an expression of how he feels: that public has been unfair to him. The media takes photos of him stumbling drunk, indulging in Nazi cosplay surrounded by naked women, ad nauseum. I have never heard if this actually happened or is merely gossip, but the whole "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" was totally irrational unless you put it through the prism of Harry's frustrations. I can see him feeling that he should get what he wants. He shouldn't be hamstrung by the archaic rules that govern the BRF (and what his brother, father, and his grandmother feel he should follow). After all, he’s a prince! He saw Ms. Markle as his path to freedom. They'd be as woke as hell, the voice the younger generation would follow and desert his stodgy, prim brother. Harry would FINALLY be heard and seen by virtue of his marriage to this woman who isn’t stodgy and prim, and who’s a hell of a lot of fun at parties. Who, seemingly, gets him.

And, boy, did she stroke that immature side of him and play him like a frigging violin. She pooh-poohed the whole concept of classic British stiff upper lip, essentially mocking the entire concept in that pathetic docu-ME-tary. That this is an indelible part of British cultural history and identity seems to have been lost on both of them. I can hear Philip admonishing Harry to get a grip and stop all this "nonsense:” the message would be loud and clear: Grow up, Harry, and stop sniveling. This is the exact opposite of Ms. Markle's raison d’etre. She's ALL about indulging the self as often as possible, witness her blog, The Tig. The idea of getting in touch with your inner child would appeal big time to these two selfish, immature narcissists, who don't want to be told what to do by anyone (especially Harry who has repeatedly criticized the royal family in not so veiled barbs in his recent speeches). After all, this IS the selfie generation. The promotion and indulgence of self is practically a religion.

I honestly think Harry thought this marriage would free him from previous expectations. The two of them would be a juggernaut, and their popularity would protect them from royal censure. And it worked to some degree in the beginning. But it appears that the majority of their support was paid for by bots and fantastical PR stories planted in the media (that they allegedly hate). The constant contradictory PR dumps and truly egregious use of badly photoshopped images made people start to question exactly who they are. And despite the rumblings, they kept doing the same stupid crap, with that docu-ME-tary the death knell to their ambitions. Now, they are mocked and ridiculed because of their hypocrisy and constant whining. Plus, neither of them have the stamina and focus to realize any of the causes they promote. So much easier to put slogans, quotes (not even their own!), and memes up on their IG, attend the rare curated photo shoot, and then take a private jet and party with their pals. I think that they share a lot of similar traits and feed each other in the most unhealthy way possible. They have come to believe their PR.
lucy said…
Andrew should sit this one out. I don't think he should be seen at church at all. it would be nice if it was insisted upon, by Andrew himself

behind closed quarters he can interact with family but publicly there is no decent reason for him to be seen. already extremely evident the Queen loves and supports her son so why let the rest of the family and public enjoy the day
SouthernGinger said…
@lizzie thank you for the info. So it seems to be a little of everything when it comes to the weddings of HM’s grandchildren.
lizzie said…
@SouthernGinger,

Definitely. But what makes it a little weird and hard to compare is that W & H are princes, Eug & Bea are princesses, and Anne's kids have always been "private citizens." Some say Andrew insisted his daughters be styled as princesses but I kind of doubt he had to insist. As grandchildren of the monarch through a male child they **were** princesses. It was Edward who had to request his kids not be styled that way although technically Louise and James are princess and prince, respectively.

But certainly a repeat of Peter's approach would be bad (not that I think either Bea or Edo would want to do that.)
Anonymous said…
@wizardwench I agree with most of what you have said (disagree there have been photoshopped photos).

Magatha Mistie said…
Why not have a “Family” wedding at Balmoral at the start of the Queens summer holiday. Stately castle, immediate family, including the Queen & Philip who would normally be there, & close friends? Simple & still regal.
Anonymous said…
@Magatha Mistie I was thinking the same thing. Bea isn’t getting any younger. Sandringham or Balmoral would be a great place for a wedding and it seems like it would make it easier for HM and PP to go to them.
Anonymous said…
Oh, I agree the DM info is suspect as they seem to print whatever they feel like. I’m not completely believing the wedding will be in early June and I think Bea should have the wedding sooner rather than later. I don’t know though as this Andrew stuff really overshadows her.
Magatha Mistie said…
@Drabredcarpet yes, Balmoral/Sandringham would be perfect although Balmoral does have the added bonus of being very private. I do think they need to keep it low key as in no pomp & circumstance, given Andrews circumstance!! Not to mention his pomp!! They could have a beautiful wedding & release photos to the press afterwards.
Anonymous said…
Does anyone have any idea how Americans can watch Mary Berry’s special? Has anyone searched for it? Thanks in advance.
Anonymous said…
@magatha Mistie oh I agree. Balmoral would be perfect. For Sandringham, I was thinking of the little community church— is it Mary Magdalene? Not sure of the name. They could do a quickly put together wedding but with the Christmas decorations and how lovely that would be. They probably can’t do a rushed wedding (everyone would think she is pg) but in my head, it’s gorgeous and low key. Edo already has a child so I feel like they could have some wiggle room about a less elaborate wedding.

Balmoral has everything— backdrop, scenery, pomp and circumstance and privacy like you said. Seems all good to me. They should hire us as wedding planners 🤔
CatEyes said…
I frankly don't see why Bea should have to have a quiet wedding or a scaled-down version, etc.. just because of her father's situation. He was not convicted and it is her first wedding. Look what the Queen did for Meghan and it was her 3rd wedding! I think it is so unfair that people want to penalize Bea for their opinion of her father. Good grief! She should get as big of wedding as her sister (afterall she is the firstborn and birth order means something to British royalty).
Magatha Mistie said…
Ooooh a Christmas wedding would be wonderful @drabredcarpet fur cape, candles & gently falling snow... Not sure about US screening of Mary Berry but it’s showing here in OZ on Christmas Eve on ABC tv, must surely be on in US.
Anonymous said…
@Magatha Mistie oooh, a cape, candles in the snow at dusk, gently falling snow. 😍😍😍 I’ll check ABC. Thanks for the tip.
CatEyes said…
If anything maybe Bea should have a very nice wedding to her liking because my gosh, I bet she has been very sad about the events surrrounding her father (her heart no doubt would probably be for the victims). When one watches crime shows, often children of murderers say they still love their killer parent even tho they feel sympathy for the victims.
Nutty Flavor said…
Good morning, all! Lovely to wake up on a Sunday morning in this busy holiday season and spend 20 minutes deleting angry comments.

Anyway, great to hear that Bea has some kind of wedding date, even though it still seems a little squishy. Apparently she has a date to announce the date in January.

According to the Daily Mail she lost out on one of her preferred venues, however, The Guards’ Chapel, St James’s Park, because her father is no longer a Grenadier officer.

The "Poor Bea" narrative is really taking hold, which might actually be good for her in the long run. It replaces the "party girl Bea" narrative, which was probably fair in her early 20s but less so in her early 30s, and might give her some sympathy with the public. The Brits do love an underdog.
Magatha Mistie said…
Yes @Nutty Andrew failed to show at Guards regimental dinner. The Guards have been in force for hundreds of years, t’was probably best that Andrew was a no show, his father served them well for years. Whilst his actions & arrogance are not illegal in the UK, I feel his behaviour was disgusting, but no different to other powerful money men. I feel sorry for Bea, & Eugenie, the fathers sins cast long shadows. I do hope Bea has a lovely wedding.
Anonymous said…
I found this interesting:

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Magatha Mistie said…
Express UK article Meghan was repeatedly warned of press intrusion. Fergie comes to her aid!!
A thought on Nutty's question- Royal events to look forward in the last days of 2019; the Queen's Christmas day speech.

I think as this has been such a tumultuous year in the UK and for many in the Commonwealth and indeed the world, it will be interesting to hear what the Queen says. I think it may have to do with healing and/or forgiveness. Healing our differences whether it be politically, socially, physically (ie. The Bahamas & hurricane Dorian etc) and healing within families.

I/My family usually have the speech on in the background and rarely watch it closely but this year I might have a proper watch.

Regarding H&M, I'd like this relatively quite break to continue. It has been bliss not hearing (much) about them.
Liver Bird said…
The royal Christmas cards were released this weekend last year, so I'm guessing they've been delayed so as not to be caught up in the post-election fall-out. I expect we'll see them tomorrow or early next week.
KC said…
Article on BRF charities in the US, may be of interest

https://nypost.com/2019/12/14/americans-donate-big-to-british-royal-family-charities-which-skimp-on-their-cause/

References MM setting up the Sussex foundation and then looks at donation and disposition figures from other royal charities and where the money may actually go. NYPost is an American tabloid.
Magatha Mistie said…
May be wishful thinking on my part, but I can’t see H & M slotting back into the RF. Too much damage, future damage. They are finished, nothing to be done apart from leave?
Nutty Flavor said…
Oh, wow. Have you seen this?

Why Americans are wasiting money donating to British Royal charities

While Meg is in California trying to drum up donations!

Who in the world could be behind that article? It's certainly not flattering to any of the Royals.
Nutty Flavor said…
Duh - it took me a moment.

The Post is a Murdoch paper, and so is the Sun, which Harry is suing as part of his phone-hacking lawsuit.

Clearly Murdoch is telling the royals that if they don't behave, he will go after all of them, not just Harry.

Just put up a new post to discuss this.
Nutty Flavor said…
Oops, sorry KC - I see you posted the article before I did! Sorry, opened the NYPost site at the gym and got all excited.
I don't think a wedding at Balmoral would work. Crathie is a Scottish Presbyterian church.Hard wooden benches, no gilt or adornment. Not the natural milieu of Welby or any C of E bishop, a royal blood princess or an Italian Catholic.
Hikari said…

I feel for the position that Bea is in. It is regrettable and unfortunate, but her father’s disgrace is going to impact her wedding plans. A big splash out televised wedding like her sister got would not be well-received at such a time. The timing is unfortunate for Beatrice, but things are what they are. However unfairly, and it is, the York princesses are forever tarnished by the shenanigans of their parents. Andrew and Fergie’s selfish and reckless behavior has reflected poorly on their daughters for years before this Epstein scandal came to light, Besmirching their daughters’ reputations at least in public perception, if not within the family. Reports are that the Queen is very fond of her York granddaughters, though she does not favor them enough to advocate that they stayed in the ranks of working royals. I know that decision was largely driven by Charles, who does not like his younger brother and never has, and that may have been out of retaliation for Andrew always having been the Queen’s favorite child. I’m surprised that she did not override Charles for the same reason. I think Eugénie in particular would be a great asset to the Firm given how active she is with charitable causes on her own initiative. I have become very impressed with Andrew’s younger daughter, who seems to be in a very good place personally these days. Beatrice is more enigmatic, and has always seemed to be more fragile and less self-directed. She’s dyslexic, like the late Diana was, and I think her confidence has been impacted by it. Seeing as she is now over 30 and has chosen a man who already has a child, and they are already living as a family, Maybe the white princess fantasy wedding is no longer that important to her. One is no more married by having a big public wedding than a small intimate one. Given the Duke of Edinburgh’s fragile health, I would think that a private family wedding at Sandringham sooner rather than later would be best. I think waiting a month to announce that the wedding will be taking place in another six months is silly. This may be Phillip’s last Christmas; If I were Bea, I would petition to have the banns read now, with a small wedding to follow after New Year. A winter wedding at Sandingham would be lovely, and completely different than other royal brides have had. It all comes down to how much she wants her grandfather to attend. If she holds out for a June wedding, he may not be around, or able to travel if he is. The couple could have a party for their friends in Italy at a later date Edo’s dime. I really think this is the best solution. There’s really no reason for a mature couple who has already announced their engagement to wait 7 months more to throw a “traditional” June wedding. Surely the marriage is more important then a wedding splash.
Jdubya said…
I agree with hikari about a small private wedding sooner vs later with a large bash to follow. And her hubs can pay for the large one. Andrew and Fergie are damaged goods in the eyes of the public right now and that's just how it is.
hunter said…
I'm with Lucy and everyone who doesn't think our comments need moderation.

This is not a safe space, this is the internet.
lucy said…
thank you @hunter for saying this

I was fully prepared to let it all go as it is so juvenile but wanted to acknowledge your comment

I don't understand how many get so bent out of shape IT IS THE INTERNET, wholly expected

too sensitive on here but I do enjoy most comments but I'd rather see 30 quality thoughts than 500 bleats of bullshit

I hold no ill will toward anyone and I hope to see allback
Unknown said…
@CatEyes I am so sorry to hear about your brother. I send my best wishes to you and your loved ones. May your brother heal as soon as possible. I have an elderly loved one battling stage 4 cancer with a doctor that says her days are numbered. This Christmas season has been heartbreaking. I only hope and wish for healing for your brother, you, and everyone you love.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Hikari, I agree with you about the wedding.

We don't know the particulars about Philip's health, but the fact is he may be already unable to attend. He hasn't been seen in public for awhile.

At the very least, he knows that Bea is happily settled (we hope) with plans to marry and I'm sure that helps put his mind at rest.
Anonymous said…
Nutty has enough to do without being forced to moderate her blog. We are grown ladies. If someone is nasty don't engage. It's what I do on CDAN. You never know what is happening in the lives of other people so take a deep breathe and move on.

Bea's marriage isn't for love. We Americans need to remember that fact. The British aristocracy marry for business or to improve social ranking. This is how it's been done for centuries. They have the obligatory children for inheritance and then both members take lovers and enjoy life. Timing sucks but Bea will need to have a small intimate wedding thanks to Daddy dear. She should be used to disappointment since she waited ten years for her last boyfriend to marry her. Instead he broke up and quickly married the new woman he found. Edo is a consolation prize. I hope she's happy since that happens so rarely in aristocratic marriages. As Enty reminded us Pippa Middleton's husband is already cheating on her and she hasn't borne the obligatory two children yet.
Seabee666 said…
Um, why is this hard? The walk is a huge photo op. The service is not photographed. Couldn't Andrew sneak in a back door of the church a few hours before services to start repenting with a stick beating by the Vicar? Then Cambridge Cuties can smile and strut away with out the smug mug of Meghan Merkin as she coyly stares into the camera while clinging to Harry. Barf.

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