If you're a Beatles fan, you'll know that in the fifty years since the group went its separate ways, almost everyone involved with them has sold his or her story.
Only one major figure has not: Jane Asher, who was Paul McCartney's girlfriend for five years during the heyday of the group, and accompanied him on the famous trip to India in 1968. An actress, Jane went on to become a TV personality and famous cake-baker. She has never spoken about her time with McCartney and dislikes being asked.
Until recently, the Sussex saga had included a similar figure: Trevor Engelson, Meghan Markle's ex-husband.
Trevor has never spoken about Meg. But he has done well for himself: he married a wealthy woman, continues to work as a producer, and seems to have a loyal (and multi-racial!) circle of friends, unlike some people we know.
He appeared to have excused himself from the whole soggy mess.
Until yesterday, when he was papped.
Driving his black Porsche to Beverly Hills
The Daily Mail exclusively caught Trevor getting his hair trimmed in a Beverly Hills salon. Trevor "politely declined to comment" on Meghan and Harry's story.
But the photo shoot seemed planned and pre-approved. Trevor was nicely dressed in a black sweater with matching trousers and Gucci athletic shoes - the casual look of the wealthy Californian - plus carrying what must be a late-model black phone and driving his black Porsche 911.
No putting-out-the-garbage-in-my-bathrobe photos for "Trevety-trev-trev," as Meghan used to call him.
And he was remarkably calm for a man supposedly caught by surprise. "You have a good day," he told the photographer.
Here come the ghosts
What is Trevor doing back in the Sussex story? Was he paid to go away or being paid on a regular basis to be quiet, and now feels the deal is off?
Is this public appearance a clue to interested parties that he is ready to sell his story at the right price?
Is this public appearance a clue to interested parties that he is ready to sell his story at the right price?
Maybe his reappearance is being used as some sort of message to Meg. "You're not welcome in Hollywood" or "your past is about to come out"?
Or is it just a case of a paparazzi who saw his chance and took it?
Perhaps now that Meg is no longer protected by the Royal Family, her ghosts are beginning to reappear.
How long until we hear from Cory the chef, Meg's "niece" Noel Rasmussen, or even the mysterious Joseph Goldman-Giuliano?
Comments
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7900845/Celebrities-arrive-St-Moritz-Dasha-Zhukovas-wedding-Stavros-Niarchos.html
“According to a recent survey among millennials, 61 percent of UK adults say they are not financially independent.
Prince Harry is no exception to this and has received income from his father Prince Charles.
In 2018 for instance, he received more than £21million from Prince Charles according to his public accounting statements for the Duchy of Cornwall.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1228733/royal-riches-meghan-markle-business-frim-fram-us-tax-shelter-brand-sussex
I agree that few would risk financial involvement with them under that name until they know the Palace is in agreement. The rug could be pulled out from them at any time. Money down the drain.
Mind you, what else is new?
It's about time we jeered and ridiculed these woke academics who talk down to everyone. An "ethnicity lecturer" lolololololol She lives in a university bubble. She tried her Uni shit out on Fox and lost.
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Laurence Fox's Question Time slanging match with an ethnicity lecturer over Meghan Markle has sent Twitter into a melt down.
The 41-year-old accused Rachel Boyle, an academic at Edge Hill University on Merseyside, of 'being racist' after she called him 'a white privileged male' for denying the Duchess of Sussex was hounded from Britain for being mixed-race.
Circle, circle, dot, dot dot, wish I got my cootie shot.
I don't think PP has kicked the bucket yet. Close but not yet. If he did, people would be pointing fingers at Sussex duo faster than you can say tomale.
I was the same age as Diana when I watched her wedding to Charles and felt an overwhelming pity for her knowing that her life would no longer be her own. But, I am Canadian and have a good idea about the pomp and circumstance and the gilded cage of the BRF. Are Americans similarly aware? I do think MM,was looking at the opportunity of a lifetime through her celebrity glasses.
At this point I am continuously shocked at the audacity of her behaviour. She is getting away with it because she can. She is operating so far outside the norm of conventional behaviour that it must be really difficult to manage. Unprecedented indeed.
I believe that there is something way off with her. I attended a profilng seminar years ago and had the opportunity to chat with Roy Hazelwood, a pioneer of FBI profiling. He had interviewed Karla Homolka, a notorious Canadian murderer, for hours and despite her proven heinous acts, he admitted that there was nothing clinically wrong with her. Very chilling.
I think our madam may have some degree of psychopathy to do what she is doing. Not all psychopaths are murderers, but they are all without a conscience and genuine human empathy.
"I agree that few would risk financial involvement with them under that name until they know the Palace is in agreement. The rug could be pulled out from them at any time. Money down the drain."
I agree. The royal family is extremely rich and powerful. They can afford the very best lawyers. Nobody is going to risk getting on the wrong side of them just to market a Sussex Royal yoga mat.
I'd say the same thing about the media. We heard some threats of a 'tell all interview' last week. But of course any media outlet who accepts such an interview would not only open themselves up to legal threats (libel etc) but would have to accept that they can wave goodbye to any chance of an interview with any member of the royal family, ever. Would it really be worth it for a single tacky 'tell all'?
The Harkles really didn't think this through, did they? So much for 'whip smart' Meghan.
Can I use the term Royal in my Trademark.
Posted by Jane on September 07, 2015 / Posted in Trade Marks
Trade marks that contain any indication, whether by certain words or by a figurative form, that the mark is affiliated or approved by the Royal institution, are prohibited unless you can show that consent has been obtained from the relevant body.
Can I use the term Royal in my Trademark.
Trade marks that contain any indication, whether by certain words or by a figurative form, that the mark is affiliated or approved by the Royal institution, are prohibited unless you can show that consent has been obtained from the relevant body.
The Legislation
Section 4(1) of the 1994 Trade Mark Act will apply, and states that:
"A trade mark which consists of or contains –
(a) the Royal arms, or any of the principal armorial bearings of the Royal arms, or any insignia or device so nearly resembling the Royal arms or any such armorial bearing as to be likely to be mistaken for them or it,
(b) a representation of the Royal crown or any of the Royal flags,
(c) a representation of Her Majesty or any member of the Royal Family, or any colourable imitation thereof, or
(d) words, letters or devices likely to lead persons to think that the applicant either has or recently has had Royal patronage or authorisation,
shall not be registered unless it appears to the registrar that consent has been given by or on behalf of Her Majesty or, as the case may be, the relevant member of the Royal Family."
Obtaining Consent
Consent can be obtained from the Lord Chamberlain’s office at Buckingham Palace, London, SW1A 1AA.
http://www.trademarkroom.com/blog/item/can-i-use-the-term-royal-in-my-trademark
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I'm wondering if this is the loophole?
shall not be registered unless it appears to the registrar that consent has been given by or on behalf of Her Majesty or, as the case may be, the relevant member of the Royal Family."
There does seem to be a copy/paste issue on that entry but I don't have time to hunt down the original legislation to check if it's accurate or still in date, got to go out soon.
I don't know how trademark objections work, but could there be a chance that HMTQ has already placed an objection, but we won't hear of it until the process is complete? Can anyone with knowledge of the process clarify?
Racism is alive and well and it's not against Rachy Rach. For the poc to peddle this bs against TBRF makes them the lowest of the low. I hope Lawrence gets a knighthood for actually having the cahones to speak up. This woman's problem is her big mouth and woke preaching. People better start pushing back against this false narrative because look what it has done to TQ. And she is one the most powerful persons in the world.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/a-briton-explains-megxit/
Me: Some people say she has been subjected to racism.
Him: But I don't understand...she´s white isn't she?
Anyway, Laurence Fox is marvelous, have binged on his anti-woke music all morning:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0NrIEt8rrw
HARRY'S LAMENT (credit to Richard Marx)
Oceans apart day after day
And I slowly go insane
I hear your voice on the line
But it doesn't stop the pain
If I see you next to never
How can we say forever?
Wherever you go
Whatever you do
I will be right here waiting for you
Whatever it takes
Or how my heart breaks
I will be right here waiting for you
I took for granted, all the times
That I thought would last somehow
I hear the laughter, I taste the tears
But I can't get near you now
Oh, can't you see it baby
You've got me going crazy
I wonder how we can survive
This romance
But in the end if I'm with you
I'll take the chance
(Repeat chorus)
I too have had a nagging suspicion from the beginning that Meg was a pawn in a larger globalist agenda.
I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks for the link to the American Conservative article. I thought the article was spot on.
But many of the article's comments don't agree with me. For example, the author discusses the "bizarre pregnancy." More specifically, the wearing of maternity wear to Eugenie's wedding (and never wearing maternity outfits again, at least not for many months), the constant bump rubbing and thrusting, the repeated coat flicking for maximum bump reveal (the author discusses a specific instance where M was clapping, flicking, clapping, flicking on camera), the announcement from KP that whenever the birth happened it wouldn't be announced for days or weeks.... That's all pretty bizarre to me (without getting into the magical bump that shrunk, folded, and even disappeared for a night at 7 months of gestation.)
Yet a comment said "...What could you possibly call "bizarre" about it? Unless, of course, you mean the melanin levels of one of the baby's grandparents."
None so blind as those who will not see, I guess.
Gayle King sure likes to insert herself everywhere - when did she become more than Oprah’s sidekick? I often wonder if there is competition in that friendship, especially with Oprah’s star fading. How does their friendship and Gayle’s apparent professional/social (?) ambition play into this sordid story?
I wonder if Charles and his parents wake up and wonder first thing each morning how they got here. Probably Doria too, but the book remains to be written about that one, and I for one hope she will be an easier study as royal ties break. (@Nutty I appreciate that you want to be nonjudgmental about her, but respectfully, that doesn’t really jibe with your having introduced the subject of Trevor plus a hypothetical discussion about an eating disorder that has taken on a life of its own with regard to someone I think we all agree is blameless in this tale.)
So their desperation is growing.
Now we know our country is a Corporatocracy and what bigger/backer to have on your side than Google?
And who blathered on barefoot at Google camp? DT, although himself a globalist,
has said he wants US first. GB ( Brexit)
wants Britain first. These globalists/corporatists, I'm looking at you PH, have one single interest- money.
Lines have been drawn. The gauntlet placed. PP said," What are they playing at?" PH has sold his birthright for 30 pieces of silver. He may very well be Judas. It is my view that countrymen all over the globe want their countries and traditions back, all the while the Globalists stuff our countries and counties with thirdworlders that cannot and will not support themselves.
It is now us vs the globalists/corporatists. Countrymen taking back their countries that are being stolen by these people who care not for our countries just the handouts. And lest I come across as racist, my SO is Lebanese and our family comes from there as well as Palestine and Syria. I know this may offend some, that is not my intention, but the globalists have thrown down the gauntlet(MM) to one of the most powerful families in the world, TBRF. It will be interesting how Her Majesty plays the game. Her love for her grandson or love of her country. Long may she reign!
“Prince Harry and Meghan Markle souvenirs 'dumped in bargain bins' after Royals step back”
“Retailers are desperately trying to sell mugs and tea towels featuring the couple following the bombshell revelation they'll be stepping back from the Royal Family”
This is precisely what's dominating my thoughts at the moment. I've just commented on the DM, asking if she can behave like this now, when she has no guarantees from the BRF as to her funding or security, what would she be like if they give in to her? To any degree.
There has to be something wrong with her. Although of course she could just be a perfectly sane but amoral person. I don't know which is scarier.
@ Lurking With Spoon - very interesting info on using 'royal' in trademark. Maybe she hasn't done any research first. Or - more likely - she's doing the usual thing of only thinking one step ahead. Or she figures she'll make a killing now, before she's inevitably shut down, and this period is to be a sharp short launchpad to getting a richer man. All these are plausible given her character.
Never underestimate her audacity and sheer nerve. It's how she got here in the first place. However, the world is now watching her and digging up her past. Her usual techniques can't work on that scale and we know now how she operates. If I was her I'd be deeply worried. So would we all. Not her. I'm finding her more and more disturbing. One day there'll be a chilling film about this entire sorry saga.
"The Duchess of Sussex gets more than twice as many negative headlines as positive ones, according to Guardian analysis of articles published between May 2018 and mid January 2019."
I mean.... what a stupid basis for an 'analysis'. Is there a particular % of headlines that should be 'positive' for any given public figure? I'm willing to bet that if they did a similar 'analysis' for Andrew, pretty much 100% of headlines would be negative. Nobody has the right to demand 'positive' coverage. If you're a public figure, sometimes you'll get positive coverage, sometimes negative, sometimes in-between.
And of course the implication is that nothing Meghan has done herself is relevant in causing these 'negative' headlines. No, it's the evil British media piling in on poor mixed-race Meghan. Because of course it is.
"Findings hinted that claims she receives significantly more critical treatment than the Duchess of Cambridge were correct. An equivalent search for headlines in which the Duchess of Cambridge was mentioned resulted in a fraction of the results but found that of just 144 headlines over the same time period, 45% of those about Kate were positive in tone, 47% neutral and just 8% negative."
Again, incredibly shoddy line of thinking. It's implying without saying that other than the fact that one is white and one is mixed-race, Kate and Meghan are the same and behave in identical ways. Maybe, just maybe, the 'negative' coverage is a reflection of Meghan's behaviour? Not to mention that if they'd carried out a similar 'analysis' 7 years ago in the early days of Kate's marriage, they'd have found a lot more negative coverage. But of course the Guardian didn't care about that.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/jan/18/meghan-gets-more-than-twice-as-many-negative-headlines-as-positive
Can you believe I didn't even notice the article had comments!
I really appreciated the timeline aspect of the article. It really has been one thing after another.
I enjoyed Laurence Fox for 8 seasons as 'Detective Sergeant James Hathaway' on the ITV series Inspector Lewis. Hathaway is a buttoned-up, extremely intelligent guy who studied to become an Episcopal priest prior to getting kicked out of the seminary for insubordinate views. So he chucked in the Church in favor of the police force, where his brains are an asset but where he continues to have something of an insubordinate attitude to TPB, and a deliciously snarky mouth. H.(I call him 'H') gets all the best lines in the programme, and despite being something of a handful at times, deeply respects his boss and mentor (DI Robbie Lewis, played by Kevin Whately) as a kind of substitute father figure. That's why he keeps his trouble-making at a low simmer.
Like his spiritual grandfather Inspector Morse, his boss's former mentor, H. enjoys the puzzle-solving aspect of investigating crime, but is often profoundly unhappy in the rigid hierarchy of the police force. Like Morse, he's got a gut-level distaste for the politics of advancement and frankly is light-years smarter than most of the people he works with. But he loves his boss, so he stays. H. is quite repressed, and has a Cambridge degree with honors. He is immaculately attired in a suit and tie every day. To relax, he plays in a band. Apart from the music and the snarking, H. is a completely different character to his actor, but Foxy (as his friends know him) has put his own stamp of personality in how he plays H.
Insofar as I can tell, Foxy is, not anti-royalist exactly. I had him pegged as a Labour supporter, but I think he would probably consider himself apolitical. He is certainly above the current Woke-Everything's an -Ism' movement now raging at full strength. He's not playing. They are calling him a new breed, the Anti-Woke Bad Boy, and that's so funny because there are so many parallels between him and Harry in significant ways. Born into a prominent and wealthy family of actors (James is his father; Edward is his uncle; Joanna David is his aunt; Emilia and Freddie are his cousins) . . He gets semi-exasperated to be referred to as 'the scion of an acting dynasty' and says that a family pastime at get-togethers is to turn on the box and make fun of whichever Fox they can find on it. This scion of an acting dynasty acted up so badly at Harrow that he got expelled, and that was that for higher education. Fortunately for him, he has skills and has been financially independent for a long time. Acting paid the bills, but music is his real passion. He has never made an awkward video with Ed Sheeran.
I'm a little surprised to find him as the Anti-Woke spokesman, but he really gave a great and thoughtful interview on the subject. His refusal to play along with the 'Racist Britain Hounded Meghan Out' is not going to be popular in the music community, but Laurence Fox could really give a toss. He is who he is, authentically & gloriously so, and he's not going to back down. Meg should be scared of this guy.
And if Ricky Gervais' speech at the Golden Globes was anything to go by, people are sick of being lectured by millionaire celeb types who don't practice what they preach. Meghan may be trying to hop on a bandwagon that has already run out of steam.
May I ask which interview you are referring to?
Sheena, thank you! One of my interests is following and predicting political outcomes. I had a bet with my supper club that DT would win long before he rose to the top. I knew when the Obamas and Clintons, plus the hw gang, started sniffing around that MM wanted much bigger things. The Dems have no one that can beat DT and he will not be impeached.
@Portcitygirl: Some comments to add to yours.
Besides the money that the globalists-corporatists that Meghan and Harry have thrown in with are seeking, it’s also raw power grabbed by obliterating borders and therefore nations, cultural history and unique identities that they seek. In their eyes, all the little people will be forced to conform into identical little boxes coming off a manufacturing line of humanity dictated by a central government.
The worker bees will exist on the meager scraps tossed to them by the all-knowing self-righteous superior people like Meghan and Harry in the global elite who tell the rest of us how to think and how to act.
People like Trump or Rand Paul threaten these people and must be stamped out and held up as examples of what happens to those who challenge status quo.
Not a fan of Trumps personality, but I like how he’s attempting to decrease government intrusion and overreach into our lives. People have the right to make their own choices in life and chart their own course without celebrity activists like Meghan, and now Harry, pressuring them to “think right’ as Harry recently said.
The concept of individual freedom and thought threatens these elitists and, in their opinion, must be stamped out. The European Union and using climate change to set the agenda far beyond taking care of our planet, and the brain-washing curriculums and educators who overwhelmingly populate our education systems from preschool through university are examples of the ways they are seeking to gain control. The people who graduate this educational system now populate the media to spread the agenda of the globalist-corporatists via propaganda masquerading as legitimate unbiased news.
And now, I will get off my soapbox. I have errands to do.
Basically until i find some real realistic person i can date, I'm just going to keep an imaginary boyfriend in Laurence's image in my head. 😂😂
☝🏼THAT'S MY PLAN AND I'M STICKING WITH IT.
I mean he looks like every male character in a manga ffs. Uwuuu~
I mostly like English actors more than Hollywood actors, but one thing i can't stand about some English actors are super gushy-thirsty (which I think translates to conforming to woke culture). I still dont understand how people don't see how unattractive the thirst & desperation is in men. You want mentor be turned on by a thirsty actor wagging his tail begging for the BBC to love you?! Euw. Laurence acts like a luvvie with nothing to lose and it's hot AF 🔥
PS: I'm sticking with "Hathaway was kicked out of a seminary because of the frivolous fish pie" story too. (It's my minimalism mantra for this year, last year I did manage to buy not a single item of clothing.) I'm good with sticking with stories.
Sorry for being so off-topic. But he's more interesting than H&M. Sorry not sorry.
Yes!!! She has no original ideas and has only in recent years learned that she can capitalize on her race - so, to Fox’s point, she is actually being racist. Otherwise, she is the most basic of starlets, always chasing other people’s ideas (part of why I still am unsure that infiltrating the RF was her idea alone), a driven and narcissistic copycat whose extreme good luck will run out.
If the reaction to Gervais’ and Fox’s comments is any indication, that day is coming sooner than the media would have us believe. Society was already polarized, so the grasping starlet gets no credit from me for that.
"it would have been fair had they looked at articles of Kate during the same period (year) after she joined the RF instead of the same period as Megs. Its not a fair comparison at all to use the ecact time period, Kate is a known quantity and any criticisms have been played out, for the most part."
Indeed. I remember all the 'waity Kaity' and 'Duchess of Dolittle' headlines, as well as the gleeful coverage of all of her 'upskirts' incidents. Plus, they're also including headlines which have been printed since the 'Sussexit' drama, when even those jouralists who were once fawning over Meghan started to be critical of her.
So it's really shoddily done. And that's not even getting into the notion that, with a free press (which surely The Guardian would approve of?) public figures, esp those funded by the public, don't have the right to uniformly 'positive' coverage.
Remember when I said one of the spiritual YouTubers saw Canada separating from the monarchy? I think she was psychic or something.
Emerald City explained how that would be done (s/he explained how complicated that would be idk).
The UK media is another animal entirely. Look at how they are going after Harry’s bald spot.They are merciless.
Kate knew that before she agreed to marry Will. Meg didn’t, because she was in such a rush to get the ring.
Yup.
And doesn't she know that even A list stars get criticised all the time? I mentioned above Ricky Gervais mocking them to their faces at the Golden Globes. Plus they have paps shoving cameras in their faces, all sorts of speculation about their private lives, people slagging off their clothes, gloating over their flops etc. But most of them realise that that's the price of fame and you just have to develop a thick skin and ignore it, or else you'll drive yourself insane.
That said, I don't think Meghan cares as much about 'negative' coverage as she makes out. I think the whole 'evil tabloid press' thing was the 'exit strategy' she had cooked up probably before even getting married, because a) she knew she could play the race card, b) the British press can genuinely be awful and c) she knew it would strike a chord with Harry. I doubt we'll hear her whine so much about the negative coverage she will certainly receive(and already has received) in America.
The top comments as well as others highly favor HMTQ.
The BRF has a list of suppliers that hold a royal warrant, which implies a degree of quality. Not exactly a guarantee or warranty to the product. The warrant implies”If it good for the Royal Family, then you should buy too.” Definitely a warrant has an aspirational quality IMO.
So how will the Sussex Royal brand interact with the Royal Warrant products? Will the SR products be less traditional that the Royal Warrant merchandise?
If MM is going to sell stuff, where is she going to find the talent to develop her brands and the products? Today’s Wall Street Journal Magazine describes Hermes decision to hire a well known executive from a respected cosmetics company and it took 18 months from start to finish before the lipstick embodied the Hermes brand.
Bottom line does MM know what her brand embodies? Given her obvious lack of good taste and original think, what will her products look like. Better yet, what products are going to make her company attractive enough to be acquired? I am not not optimistic. What about you?
They're very respectable (not too glamorous).
Harry spotted out drinking again! LOL
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10768007/normal-prince-harry-laughing-joking-pub-dinner-london-mates/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10767222/meghan-markle-learn-wallis-simpson-stop-history-repeating/
Has anyone here got a copy of the original Telegraph article that they could share?
stalling while waiting for Meghan's separation announcement? Since declaring their independence, H & M's market value is quickly dissipating, they have no leverage in negotiations, none whatsoever. Unless the BRF is actually a shape-shifting, murderous, satanic, baby-eating monstrosity, there is no information that would damage them more than Meghan dragging them by the nose. It's truly humiliating. Especially for Charles who waited his whole life to prove himself as a competent monarch and now he lets a nobody who's been a part of his family for five seconds dictate the terms.
"The deal with the royal family is we have them because they neutralise one of the dangers of power. When those with the power also have the glory it’s a heady and dangerous combination. In the British system the royals have the glory, parliament has the power. So royalty, despite being bowed to, is meant to draw attention to others and not be boastful."
Our American system of the triad of checks and balances between the Executive (President) Legislative (Congress) and Judicial (Supreme Court) branches is supposed to neutralize the abuse of power by any one branch. Whatever glory there is in American politics goes to the President, but the glory hounds are limited to at most 8 years of glory (or ignominy).
I guess time will tell if the centuries old British system of Glory & Power will survive Megxit & Jeffrey Epstein. I think the Crown will survive but its glory has been diminished. That has been happening since the post-war era, but the Narkles have done their bit to hasten it along.
I'm thinking if she accepts any more gifts that the queen is going to slam down an iron fist and tell Parliament to suspend their titles. Last I read they can suspend them for five years.
As far as paid security for them, I would not put it past her to arrange a false flag event (attempted kidnapping) to scare everyone and justify that the taxpayers in whatever country they reside in at any given time have to pay the kazillion dollars for it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/18/stop-history-repeating-meghan-must-learn-wallis-simpson/
Part I
When the Sussexes married in May 2018, we wanted to believe in happily-ever-after. Prince Harry finding true love was cause for celebration and, as a nation, we were rooting for the glamorous young couple. Less than two years later, we are faced with the seismic news that Harry and Meghan are to be semi-detached royals, living largely in Canada.
This week, the duke performed what may be his last official duty as a senior royal, laughing with something approaching relief as he launched the rugby league world cup at Buckingham Palace. It has also been reported that staff at the couple’s Windsor home, Frogmore House, have been let go. The consensus seems to be that this partial abdication proves the immortal phrase from the time of their nuptials: “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets”.
Reluctant to be a silent ribbon-cutter, “progressive” Meghan appears determined to have it all. She wants her modern marriage and her royal husband on her terms - and her terrain, having previously lived in Toronto while filming *Suits*. But if history has taught us anything, it’s that the real work will now begin for Meghan.
When Edward VIII abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson in 1936, he never paused to consider the complex emotional implications the decision would have on his wife. More prescient than him, Wallis – who burst into tears at the first mention of abdication - could see that she would be blamed in perpetuity for stealing a popular king from his throne and almost destroying the monarchy. The relationship that began as a thrilling coup de foudre for the former ruler, became a Faustian pact for his wife.
Meghan should look to her predecessor - the first American Duchess - to see that, once Harry’s royal support network falls away, she will have a new role to play. Suddenly, without his family and roster of royal duties – everything that has given structure and meaning to his life - Harry’s sense of purpose will demand detailed attention from his wife. While Meghan will be inundated with exciting opportunities, his future is far less certain.
He appears to have admirably put Meghan’s happiness first while she settled into his world; now it will have to be the other way around. The onus will be on her to ensure that this monumental sacrifice has been worth it. She may well find, as Wallis did, that this becomes onerous. The “us against the world” mantra fast exposes any relationship flaws and requires a backbone of committed steel not to buckle.
For Wallis and Edward there remained a seam of guilt that underlay their marriage. He had turned her into the most hated woman in the world, while she felt responsible for taking him away from his country. Their marriage became an overcompensation for this. It simply had to work; they couldn’t let a sacrifice of such monumental proportions have been in vain.
Once the banished couple arrived in Paris, where they settled, it began to sink in that the duke - then in his early forties, not much older than 35-year-old Harry - had nothing to do. He yearned for gainful employment, while idle restlessness gave him time to nurse his grievances against his family and dwell on injustices. While Wallis filled his life as much as she could, neither had anticipated a life of obscurity.
She told the writer Gore Vidal: “I remember like yesterday the morning after we married and I woke up and there was David standing beside my bed with this innocent smile, saying ‘and now what do we do?’ My heart sank. Here was someone whose every day had been arranged for him all his life and now I was the one who was going to take the place of the entire British government, trying to think up things to do”.
Harry may not be a king renouncing the throne, but Meghan will have to be similarly diligent towards a man who, rather like his great great uncle, does not seem to be as emotionally resourceful as his wife.
In France, Wallis immediately created a life for herself. The duke’s empty existence consisted of trawling around Paris after the duchess. Each evening, she would return home for French lessons. In the course of researching my book, I met the daughter of Wallis’s French teacher, who said how bright and lively she had been. How keen to learn French, unlike the duke who never spoke a word of the language.
Instead, he would whine that when the duchess had her lessons, “he had no one to talk to.” Every day, a programme for the duke was put on the table in the hall. Pitifully, it detailed which guests were coming for lunch and what time his golf lesson would be. “None of it was important,” said Diana Mosely, the couple’s friend, “but all his life he had been accustomed to a programme, and the duchess wisely saw to it that he should have one.”
While it is unlikely that Harry will trail around after Meghan in such a needy, claustrophobic manner – fortunately they have baby Archie to further occupy them – he will rely on her more heavily than before. She will be responsible for his social circle, as it will be her friends that they mix with - already it has been reported that the couple spent Christmas with the duchess’s best friend Jessica Mulroney and her family.
Let’s hope that Meghan has the patience and fortitude of Wallis. The duchess of Windsor had to cocoon the duke from the mundane aspects of non-regal life. Like all royals, he had never carried cash, so she took care of all payments to tradesmen and oversaw the domestic side of their union. She reined in his overzealous purchases of everything from thermos bottles to boxes of thermometers; the former king still in the mindset of buying bulk for his many palaces.
Where Meghan is blessed - but does not seem to fully appreciate it - is that the royal family have tried their best to accommodate her. Poor Wallis had to endure not only exclusion by her in-laws, but from the world at large. Yet unlike Meghan - whose own father may testify against her in court, over a claim that a tabloid newspaper unlawfully published one of her private letters to him - Wallis knew the importance of family. It caused her unbearable pain that their exile separated Edward from his mother, Queen Mary.
Thank you so much!! :)
If Meghan thinks she's had it bad from the media, she should look at Empress Masako of Japan, a highly educated and accomplished diplomat who speaks 5 languages and yet was constantly criticised by the media and suffered so much from the pressure to produce a son - she has just one daughter - that she became a recluse.
And yes, she's still standing.
Re: Rach & the Vitamix Suss-ExRoyals 2020,
--Sussex Royal is a title given her and one which can be taken away. She would be shut down very quickly if she tried using it without an agreement in place. That impact to current and future deals would be ginormous.
--Without the BRF blessing and approval, who would want to sign on with Rach & H knowing Sussex Royal could be blown up and shut down?
In retrospect, the Jen Meyer jewelry situation was clearly a BRF shot across the bow for all to see. A "proceed with Markle" warning of what would happen if anyone dared to merch the crown. And that has to continue.
That was such a good read and I particularly liked the last paragraph.
I think the agreements they are working on go something like, "No use of peerage on commercial enterprises of any kind, and IF used the consequences are the following: Fines... public announcements of fines, restitution to the Crown on a per diem...
The crown is going to make sure there is a lot of stings if they break any part of the agreement. Along with this will be some kind of Caveat concerning the extortion/blackmail schemes the Sussex have threatened that will blow up if they don't comply, coupled with a ton of NDA's.
The main thing people appear to forget is that the Crown knows everything and can find out anything via its intelligence agencies not just in UK but abroad. For example, they know who the surrogate is, how much and where Megs got the moon bumps, what day she got them and what car delivered them. They would also know if Megs had bugs planted or other types of spyware. She's been under very hard surveillance for a long time, she resents it and that's one reason she's so blatantly in full on hate mode for the queen, Wills and Kate, everyone.
xxxxx and Portcitygirl, I had just seen that Laurence Fox clip and was trying to explain it to my partner who really couldn't care less about MM:
Me: Some people say she has been subjected to racism.
Him: But I don't understand...she´s white isn't she?
The university lecturer (Rachel Boyle, Edge Hill University Lecturer)
who jousted with Laurence Fox looks slightly off white. Like MM without the bronzer troweled on. Maybe she is half South Asian? So that she has more validity to cry racism at the drop of a hat? I don't know. No matter her origin she is a pompous arse who is actually the privileged one with her Uni professorship/ with no heavy lifting/ and undoubtedly teaching useless divisive stuff. You go to China or India and the students are taught straight and useful subjects. They want to be educated and to rise in this world. They want their nations to rise and improve. While in the West (USA, Europe, Canada, Australia etc.) the universities teach all kinds of grievance studies, ethnic studies of this or that. Women's studies. Gay studies. Trans studies for all I know. All taught from a grievance point of view.
Useless sludge and rubbish. But providing all kinds of nicely paid employment for people like Rachel Boyle.
MM's thinking is the same as Rachel Boyle's thinking.
God bless Piers Morgan for his continuing criticism of wokeness. Piers is very influential in the UK. His twitter feed gets hilarious on this as one woke person after another tries to get the better of him.
@ portcitygirl
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>>>>I think the whole the BRF is deadlocked and can't make a decision is all a ploy. I don't think PH is going back and I think they are on their way to Megsy's 3rd divorce....she has racked up a lot of husbands for a 38 year old....<<<
The appearance of deadlock is a gambit, I think. They've got Harry with them, and he doesn't appear all that restive to get back to Canada, to his wife and baby. Meg is truly on her own in the wilderness, desperately recycling old photos from a previous visit to Vancouver Island in 2015 to make it appear as though she's busy and important. Who knows where the heck she is, but I doubt highly she's in Vancouver or that she's got Archie. The BRF is doing what they do well--biding their time--until she completely flames out.
She and Harry are in no position whatsoever to dictate terms. But the TQ and her advisors will draw this out like taffy, being seen to be thoroughly considering all the Harkles' proposals. This delay, with her pawn 5000 miles away (that is, if she's in Canada) will be driving her up the wall. So the longer TQ makes her wait, the more likelihood there is of Meg blowing a gasket and staging her own 'Britney Shaves Her Head' moment. After that there will be no more credibility anywhere.
Meanwhile, we play along with Meg's efforts to convince us that she's making charitable visits all over Vancouver, dressed in her 'Suits' era Canada wardrobe which she's had 'in storage'--in Toronto--for the last three years. One of our sister bloggers on Tumblr has tracked down the info on the vehicle Meg was seen to be in outside Victoria airport, 'waiting for her Pilates instructor'. The model year was 2014. Incidentally, Meghan was papped arriving in Vancouver on Christmas Day 2015.
I know, you probably have the same questions as me:
1. Presuming she retrieved her entire pre-Harry wardrobe from a storage unit in Toronto--nearly the other side of the continent from Vancouver for this 'vacation' she's on--presumably picking up Bogart from Cory's house while she was at it . . Her clothes from 2014 still fit?
2. I know the Bank of Charles funds are on a bit of a hold at present, but is Meg already so broke that she, still a self-titled Duchess has to borrow a dirty 6-year-old car to pick up her friend at the airport? Is there no flashy loaner from the Russian tech billionaire that came with the property? Or a flunky to do such a plebe thing as an airport run?
Meg's game is just about up. The Queen is withholding checkmate until that 'Shave the Head' moment. I feel like that's coming soon.
There is an article about how she is "interested" in a 21M mansion in West Vancouver....Ya right....she can't even afford first and last months rent she is sponging off some rich guy's vacation home that is currently vacant...I don't even think that was her car she is driving...I'm wondering right now how much money she has in her bank account and if she's living off credit. I suspect PH isn't giving very much money other than maybe a bit of child support for the baby but other than that she is flat broke. You can tell that she is using the old adage "Fake it until you make it" and that's why she has that oh so fake smile in her borrowed Range Rover....
And she is exponentially more toxic, offensive, insulting, and outlandish than the aggregate of the other senior royals (excluding Andrew, of course), so really, I see the press cutting her a break. I hope they're not going easier on her due to the color of her skin, but since that seems to be the only reason one would have cause to speak up about Rach, I have to assume that they are being benevolently racist.
"Royal Warrants" - not letters patent.
How is this different than merchandizing?
Anyone?
I enjoyed Laurence Fox for 8 seasons as 'Detective Sergeant James Hathaway' on the ITV series Inspector Lewis.
Like his spiritual grandfather Inspector Morse, his boss's former mentor, H. enjoys the puzzle-solving aspect of investigating crime, but is often profoundly unhappy in the rigid hierarchy of the police force. Like Morse......
Being in USA I have never seen the "Inspector Lewis" TV show. But I watched "Inspector Morse" all the time when it aired. On our PBS/Public Television I believe. What a great show that was and what a great old curmudgeon, John Thaw as Inspector Morse. Now I get it, that today's "Inspector Lewis" show is derived from the old "Inspector Morse". I will bet Inspector Morse was 10 times more politically incorrect. Same as today's millennials think "Friends" and "Seinfeld" should not be watched, should be condemned for racism and homophobia and who knows what else.
AFAIK, the BRF does not profit from the Royal Warrant goods or services, and transactions are arms-length. https://www.royal.uk/royal-warrants-0
If that is true, then the Royal Warrant provides no income to the BRF. That differs from everything Suss-EX Royal's plan to buy it in China, slap a tag on it, call it royal, and make bank on it.
I'm sure another Nuttier will correct me if I'm wrong on this (and a few may even correct me if I'm right lol). This is certainly not my area of expertise. I've just read about the Royal Warrant (believe it or not, because of Earl Grey tea and my constant quest), and googled in response to Humor Me's question.
Warrant-holding firms do not provide their goods or services for free to the Royal Households, and all transactions are conducted on a strictly commercial basis.
A Royal Warrant is initially granted for up to five years to a named individual at a company, known as the "Grantee". An official Royal Warrant Display Document is sent to the Grantee which provides evidence of the authority to use the Royal Arms.
The grant of a Royal Warrant gives a Warrant Holder nothing more than a right to display the Royal Arms and they are not entitled to claim or imply any exclusivity of supply. When a company displays the Royal Arms in relation to their business, the Coat of Arms must always be accompanied by the Legend. This Legend provides the details of which Member of the Royal Family has granted the Royal Warrant, the company name, the nature of the goods or services provided to them and the head office address of the company.
A famous withdrawal of a warrant was Rigby & Peller, when some blabbing took place about the lingerie and HMTQ, if I remember correctly. So it dies happen.
I do not deny that climate changes because it DOES! I believe it has to do with the sun, the ENSO cycle and the Milankovitch cycles. The state of the ENSO is *very* critical for Florida weather so we are *very* aware of the storm cycle.
I am totally on the same page. I think the jig is just about up. I don't think Harry is going to Canada. I am waiting for Sparkles and her schemes to implode.
‘@ Ava C fromJenx
- At this point I am continuously shocked at the audacity of her behaviour. She is getting away with it because she can. She is operating so far outside the norm of conventional behaviour that it must be really difficult to manage. Unprecedented indeed.
Reply from Ava C ‘This is precisely what's dominating my thoughts at the moment. I've just commented on the DM, asking if she can behave like this now, when she has no guarantees from the BRF as to her funding or security, what would she be like if they give in to her? To any degree.
There has to be something wrong with her. Although of course she could just be a perfectly sane but amoral person. I don't know which is scarier.’
I agree with you both. :o/
I’ve been catching a few of the headlines. I can’t decide or even begin to think how she thinks she’s coming off, and it’s very far from okay or acceptable! She either doesn’t give a stuff or she’s supremely arrogant, or maybe both. Something is most definitely lacking within her. She needs to be ‘completely’ cut lose from the Royal Family and Britain. What a trail of chaos she’s created! I find it incredibly distasteful and hate how our country is being so falsely portrayed.
@poppy,
Your comment reminds me that Laurence Fox's most recent acting gig was as Lord Palmerston, Foreign Secretary to Queen Victoria in Season 3 of 'Victoria'. He is basically recycling Hathaway as a Victorian toff with an eye for the ladies.
It's too bad that the Queen, having lost Lord Geidt as her advisor--Charles' doing, and whey was that allowed?--didn't have somebody like L. Fox willing to speak truth to power earlier and thwart Meg's schemes earlier.
As mystifying as it seems to normally-functioning minds, Harry went to his grandmother and insisted that he was in love with this woman and he was going to marry her no matter the objections of his family . . perhaps had already done so. Maybe she was pregnant (as if . . but I'm sure he believed it if that was the hook she had in him.)
Does Rachel have an explosive secret against the Royal Family that she's holding on to . or has she just been bluffing this whole time? She seems to have made a career out of bidding recklessly with no cards in her hand, just the illusion of them. Based on the faces of everyone at the wedding who actually knew Harry, they knew going in that this wedding was the mistake of his lifetime. Did they sense it would become the mistake of their lifetimes, too? What would have happened if Her Majesty had told Harry and his bride-to-be that owing to the bride's divorced status, it was not going to be possible to offer her a 45 million pound Church wedding, filmed for television. Her hands were tied by Canon law. She would support a civil service at a registry office such as Charles and Camilla had, followed by a private blessing and a lovely family lunch. Wearing a tiara for a civil service would of course not be appropriate, nor could this affair possibly be allowed to conflict with Princess Eugenie's previously-planned and approved nuptials.
If the Queen and Charles had practiced the art of the No before Someone got her hooks in via marriage, it might have gone very differently. Meg could have tried the 'Boo Hoo they are so racist for denying me my Big White (Third) Wedding on Television with the biggest tiara in the vault and a 22-foot hand embroidered train!', Her Majesty could point to the Church law that required that the Heir to the throne also get married civilly for *his* second marriage. Did Hazza really and truly want the Big Wedding Show for himself, or only because What Meghan Wants, Meghan Gets?
Makes perfect sense, especially considering the rush to the ring and not doing her homework beforehand.
I also agree the Jen Meyer shot was a quick and strategic cut. En garde and touchę, MM. Death by a thousand cuts.
"Meanwhile, we play along with Meg's efforts to convince us that she's making charitable visits all over Vancouver, dressed in her 'Suits' era Canada wardrobe which she's had 'in storage'--in Toronto--for the last three years."
I agree the airport photos look a but dodgy but there's a black & white photo of her in the DM where she's sitting at a table with a coffee mug in her hands and her wedding and engagement rings are visible. (Justice for Girls visit)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7898541/Meghan-Markle-wears-530-coat-sported-Suits-set-meet-pilates-pal-airport.html#comments
Also, her hair (wig) is much longer now than in her 'Suits' era.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7901833/Meghan-Markle-expresses-21million-waterfront-mansion-Canada.html
Vancouver real estate housing crash twitter account. Amusing if you like to watch rich people lose money. "Kaboom!" Read this and you'll see that the house MM is looking at isn't worth $35 million CAD. And that investing in Vancouver real estate is a losers game now. I think MM's plan is to buy a home- the pricer the better, as she will have something to claim when the marriage ends. They would be buying at a really bad time.
https://twitter.com/mortimer_1
>>>Being in USA I have never seen the "Inspector Lewis" TV show.<<<
I am in the USA also, and saw the first half of the Inspector Lewis series through my local library. I bought my own DVDs after that, but you should be able to find it on streaming somewhere, or YouTube. As a librarian I always make a pitch for checking out your free options with your library card. As a fan of Inspector Morse, you must be curious as to what happened to DS Lewis after "The Remorseful Day" . . .this is his story. In Hathaway he gets almost as excellent a sergeant than Morse got in himself. Though Robbie was the better policeman, then and now.
THANK YOU!!
I understand the difference. Wowzers, no wonder the talks are deadlocked. H&M's entire future depends on merchandizing the title.
I don't understand why you all believe the following cannot co-exist:
• Meghan is a terrible person
• Meghan was never pregnant with Archie
• William had an affair on Kate (10+ years together, come on people)
• Kate starves herself to look amazing in those coat dresses (goal: achieved)
Many of you sound delusional to discount the last two and embrace the first two, seriously - take a look at yourselves.
An even more famous withdrawal of the Royal Warrant was Harrods.
I think it might be a mish-mash with the photos . . a couple of real ones mixed among recycled ones just to make the impression that her Canadian activities are more impactful than they actually are.
Doria, to whom she is supposedly so close, is in L.A. Why hang around in Vancouver, with the Canadians increasingly vocal about how much she and Hazza are NOT welcomed in their country? I don't expect PM Trudeau to get re-elected, but why is Meg not keener to denounce him as racist for wearing blackface at a party and thinking it was hilarious? Didn't that occur just last year?
A tangential racism question is . .Why don't Meghan's sugars of black heritage think their Queen is a tiny bit racist for listing herself as Caucasian in her bid to get work in Hollywood and buying herself some Good Hair to further convince people she was white? Why don't any of Meg's fans have trouble with this?
Surely she/they have trespassed long enough on the oligarch's hospitality by now? It's been a month. Doesn't look like Harry will be back any time soon, so I expect to see more pictures of her charitable outings featuring more clothes from circa 2014.
Last year, Harry spent his first Valentine's Day as Meg's husband in an ice cave in Norway without her and looked happier than he had in months. Shall we lay bets now that this Valentine's Day will still find him in London in 'meetings'? I don't know where she'll be then, but I look forward to the game we are all playing called 'Where in the World is Meg-n-Archie?"
Hi @Hunter,
I will answer respectfully, although not all comments here use a respectful tone, I'm afraid. The thing is, we all get to be as crazy as we want to be, and though you may believe the last two points on your list, and I fully respect your right to pitch in with those points, the idea that all of us must believe as you do or risk being delusional is a bit of a logical fallacy (more than a bit, actually).
So, how about this:
You believe whatever you want. I'll believe whatever I want. This is a blog about a person we don't actually know, and her relationships with and behavior towards other people we don't actually know.
Seriously, take a look at yourself - if you're commenting here, then you're a part of this grand delusion, so make it fun and keep it respectful, and you are allowed your own opinions, and I'll keep to mine about yours. Cheers!
As for the Point Grey Road Vancouver home, it's a very public are. The area is traffic calmed, and is a bike path street, it's a constant stream of bicycles, walkers and runners, during nice weather. They would be better suited to a more private setting IMO.
I recently mentioned a friend who just filed for divorce from her husband who she said is a narcissist. They are our best friends and the couple we go out the most with. He is an over achiever, yes. On paper, he is a high ranking retired military official, a doctor, a jack of all trades who built all their cabinets in both their houses with a precision that puts a professional to shame, etc. I don’t always get along with him etc, but I never considered him to be a narcissist because he hid a lot of it.
She is the one who had the affair last year, not for love and not in a relationship with that person. She said husband was so controlling that it became like a father daughter relationship and this other guy and that opportunity fell into her lap and it was nice to feel desired and appreciated again. She regrets it. Wishes it never happened. Is no longer in contact with him. None of us knew because she kept it a secret until his wife hired a PD and then the wife called our friend the husband...
Ok, so to bring it back on around to the RF....just drinking coffee so I will use numbers to help myself keep track of my thoughts:
1) the backer theory would require someone like Kate and not Meghan. Someone who would do everything right and not make a scene. Someone we would believe fit the role.
2) not everyone values monogamy, especially upper crust peerage. It wouldn’t surprise me.
3) IF (I said IF) IF Catherine has emotional eating issues, then it’s more likely she has intimacy issues. Add in kids and stress, etc. for all we know she told him to go find a side chick but be discreet. I don’t find this scenario hard to believe. Again, we mentioned it not to be mean but out of concern for Catherine because if she has disordered eating, would she be able to get the intensive therapy and everything one needs to get help.
4) Catherine and William are humans and are affected by stress and family and perhaps occasional feelings of being trapped.... etc... we can accept this and acknowledge it while also undertstanding that in the end they are choosing duty over self.
5) would they care if there is no heavy monarch role by the time George gets there, or would his parents be thrilled that he has been released from the burden to be more free while maintaining hereditary titles and prestige?
6) if I were the queen and PP (lol) I would abdicate because I would want to see my son be crowned King. I think it’s sad that they have been working toward Charles to be king his whole life and yet they won’t be able to see it happen. I personally would want to see it.
7) how was that when I said I saw toxicity and perhaps it was in relation to the BRF and then it came out a few says later that MM said the family is toxic? I picked up on that.
To relate to MM, so again maybe they are both right when she said she paid her way through school and he said he paid off her student loans. I’m not set on this idea, only that it is possible.
I had forgotten they spent last Valentine's Day apart. Yes, Hazz looked happier. My bet is that he will be stuck in "meetings" in London. I don't think he is joining Megs anytime soon.
I was glad to see he was out last night with his friends at the pub.
Very dispiriting comment. Don't you believe people can be faithful? Writing as the daughter of parents devoted to each other for 60 years this year.
I used to get DVDs from my library but too often the DVD were scratched and abused so out of a boxed set of four, one and a half would not play.
I have other ways of sampling Inspector Lewis so I will give an episode a try. I liked the original Lewis, the perfect foil for the sour Inspector Morse. Sour, except when he was ducking out for a pint. Drinking, he would even educate Lewis in an amiable way.
To those of us of a certain age, the "world" has changed from the post war era where the "stiff upper lip" was a by-word for daily living, to today, where feelings count, constraints from anything are unwelcome, and conformity is a lost cause.
So to MM saying the RF is toxic - yes, to her, I can totally see her point. It is toxic to her because she has tried to adapt and failed (her words not mine).
As to Kate having eating disorders, putting up with infidelity, etc: we do not know anything with certainty. We know what Willam said about his childhood dealing with his mother/ father and infidelity. I would like to think William would not go there, knowing the pain that will be inflicted.
What I do know from Life is this: Everything in world has a cost. Marrying into the RF has a cost. That is apparent with Elizabeth's children and grandchildren who choose to have titles. All except Edward are divorced. Kate on the surface looks serene, but how fast is she paddling underneath? Harry didn't want to cope, and Megs was unable to cope. Bea and Eugenie took cues when Dad was negotiating for them and got jobs. They release the gravy train of Grandma is not forever.
The example of Queen Elizabeth to her family is not lost Today - everything has a cost. I gave up my "life" for my Country. Are you prepared to do the same?
NO HRH
No longer represent HM QE II
Paying back for Frogmore Cottage. lols.
Me-Again doesn't know how to play the long game. Low emotional intelligence.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902593/Harry-Meghan-LOSE-HRH-titles-REPAY-2-4million-public-cash.html
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
No more royal duties. So no 'half in half out'. Good. Repaying Frog Cottage costs but no mention of if they'll be getting funds from the Duchy and some ambiguity regarding their security.
They're out. Well played HM.
Am I the only one taking that as code for 'no use of royal titles for merching'?
Prepare for a Susex butter!
1) they won’t be working royals and so can
2) stay in Canada and
3) gets Harry out of the RF like he had wanted and talked about over the years
4) allows them to merch the hell out of everything
"1) they won’t be working royals and so can
2) stay in Canada and
3) gets Harry out of the RF like he had wanted and talked about over the years
4) allows them to merch the hell out of everything"
We all know they won't be staying in Canada.
And Harry talked about leaving the royal family in the same way as spoiled teenage brats talk about running away from home. Well now he's lost his royal status and his military links, the only thing in life he seemed to value. I hope the actress is worth it.
And I disagree that they will be able to merch. Certainly not using the royal name. And nobody cares about them otherwise. This is a win for the palace I think.
So I guess we can say for certain there is an Archie and he is their child per the queen’s statement here.
I’m glad PP didn’t die yesteday.
"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will no longer use HRH titles, will REPAY £2.4million of public cash spent on their Frogmore Cottage home and receive no more public cash as Queen says they remain 'much loved family members'"
***Repaying that £2.4million in installments (my guess) of course ....might drag out forever. They do this and in exchange the Bank of Dad keeps paying out Harry's yearly 2 million allowance/ My opinion.
How do they merch without their HRH titles? They still keep their Duke and Duchess of Sussex titles? Still get to merch and start foundations under Sussex Royal? This gets confusing.
***This just might be the 65%-deprogrammed H colluding with the BRF on the sly. To make Megs leave him, abandon him, thus diminishing her leverage in a divorce.
*** The BRF members are so inept! So it sure looks like the A team of BRF advisors and lawyers have layed out the BRF's cards and Harry is returning to reality.
1. A 6 year old Range Rover? Probably a vehicle that comes with the house for the staff to use.
2. Harry had a pub night out with his friends? That didn’t take long once MM departed. Good for him.
3. I think the RF are deliberately dragging out the negotiations and reprogramming Harry in the process.
4. The press aren’t holding back. It’s pretty much confirmed this is all MM’s doing. She never had any intention of staying. What amazes me is how compliant Harry is in all of this and how thoroughly and quickly he went under her thumb (or claw).
5. She and Harry should reimburse the Crown or Charles for the renovations to Frog Hollow, the wedding, and reception.
6. I don’t think things are going according to her master scheme. In her mind, she should be in St Moritz, hobnobbing with international society and the really rich people. Instead, she’s isolated in a lovely but not really important part of the world, fishing for charitable gigs, possibly housebound with a baby in not great weather, and driving a 6 year old car.
What a fool!
There will be many articles and much analysis and comment on the deal.
Harry does not lose his HRH but may not use it. Not unexpected: Harry keeps his birthright but Megsy has been unroyalled!
They get to keep the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (a wedding gift that the Queen is not taking back). Meghan's branding is based on this so a huge win for her.
They will pay back the money spent on renovating Frogmore Cottage (so it seems they want to keep it). No indication about lease/rent arrangement for keeping it but that must surely be part of the deal.
No more public funding at all, even if they do official royal appearances. Megsy has no way of dipping into the public purse at all - they have been cut off.
Nothing about commercialising the Duke and Duchess of Sussex but it seems to me that they are now private citizens and that effectively distances the Crown from any tacky deals using those titles.
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry to lose their HRH titles after new deal thrashed out by Palace
Phoebe Southworth
18 January 2020 • 6:30pm
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will lose their HRH titles after stepping back as senior members of the Royal Family, Buckingham Palace has announced.
This means the Duke and Duchess of Sussex can no longer formally represent the Queen.
It is not yet clear if they will be able to keep their SussexRoyal online branding or will attend formal family events such as Trooping the Colour.
The decision was reached on Saturday after Palace aides spent days thrashing out a new arrangement for the young couple.
The Queen said in a statement: "Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
"I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
"I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
"It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life."
Buckingham Palace said in a statement: "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.
"As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.
"With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations.
"While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.
"The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.
"Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publiclyfunded security. This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020."
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Meghan is too attached to her wig to ever take it off willingly and let us see what's underneath, and for that we should probably thank her. Her exuberant curly hair she had as a child is probably nuked beyond all hope. She could shave her head and start over; the wigs would probably fit better, too.
I have a fond mental image of Meg's wig sailing through a blue sky into the azure sea off the Pacific Coast Highway. I've never been to Malibu, but I bet it can get windy there, especially if one takes a few too many herbal soothers and floors it to feel the wind through her (purchased) hair.
Either way, no matter because Megs is never satisfied with anything for very long and she'll start whinging about it, eventually using all of this and more as leverage for dumping Harry. Narcs are never happy or grateful for what they have. That's what makes it so impossible or hard for non narcs to be in a relationship with one.
On the upside, the Wessexes will probably get the National Theatre and Association of Universities, respectively.
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I think the Queen has checkmated them completely.
FroggyCott will stay 'their family home in the UK'. Droll. Meg will never set foot there again. Trooping the Colour? I don't expect to see either of them. They may be invited, pro forma, but they would be booed off the balcony if they showed up. Too upsetting for the Queen to have to hear. Even Harry alone is persona non grata, and he'd have to appear in a suit since he is no longer entitled to any uniform. Minus his marital baggage. His ego won't be able to take this demotion. In future years, let's see . .but I think William will forcefully assert that he does not want either of them there as it's too upsetting to Kate, and what upsets Kate upsets the children.
'SussexRoyal' without the Crown's imprimateur might as well be 'McSuckburger Royale' There will be a brief flurry of interest if Meg gets some interviews on TV with her pals Oprah and Gail, but I think people will be tuning in to see a live dumpster fire on TV. What reputable company will want to be associated with SussexRoyal now? Plus, and Meg hasn't thought this through . . it takes a lot more money than Harry has personally or gets from Daddy every year to fund a global retail empire. Meg seems to only deal in virtual reality. It doesn't cost anything to post photos of merchandise, maybe a licensing fee . . but who is gonna actually *produce* the massive line of SuckBurgerRoyale products she envisions? For that you need materials, factories, labor. I smell Third World sweatshops and junk of excreble quality. Street fair quality.
Yes, she gets to be a Duchess for life apparently, even after divorce. That has worked out SO well for Fergie.
I speculate that Chas will fund her security until divorce; after that, no. Harry will probably keep his, because of Pops' soft spot (head) for his kid, but maybe only funded fully when he is in the UK; in another country Haz goes halfsies, maybe?
I do not think that Meg and Harry will live together in any meaningful way until the inevitable divorce. I really don't think they have lived together in a meaningful way since they got engaged. Chicken dinner, my patootie.
Archie remains as big a mystery as ever. HM mentioned him by name for the first time in the first *year* of his life. I still think it's a pointed reminder to Meghan that the Palace has *all* the receipts about the child known as Archie. If he were really in Meghan's (at present) sole custody an ocean away, wouldn't they be more worried? Expedite the 'meetings' so that Harry can get back to his son? These two individuals constitute a real danger to a vulnerable child, if they are in fact, his parents. Emotional neglect and absentee parenting at least. It potentially could be even worse. Archie was her big bargaining chip . . bigger even than the Sussex Royal and merching, because she could have held the BRF to ransom for a much bigger allowance for Archie's care. Painting Harry as the devoted dad who could potentially not see his child unless her demands were met didn't work . . Haz has shown very little interest in being a devoted dad when they ostensibly lived in the same house; now he's partying with friends in an English pub without a seeming care for his infant boy. So Meg 'has Archie' but they still gave her basically only one item from her list of demands.
Now that Meg is free to merch away on BabySussex gear let's see if we see Archie pictures starting to appear. Let's just see. I think if Meghan was the legitimate mother of a royal baby right now, there would have been a few more concessions in order to get him back in England.
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I'm an American, and even though I did live for 3 years in England, I have no right to have an opinion on British laws and/or culture.
Having said that …. I am beyond ashamed that this creature, this Markle, is somehow representing us on the world stage. She makes me sick at my stomach. Almost literally.
I have no doubt that she has some kind of network to ensure her continued lifestyle. Perhaps it has something to do with the Epstein/Prince Andrew connection. If so, then I will have to heave the contents of my stomach all the more.
1+++ for comment on the Guardian poll.
Remember how all of Her Majesty's children hoovered around her on the balcony and mm was pushed to the back? She and Harry were laughing stocks and PA was front and center I think shielding HM from her. I suppose we will never know, but if it is blackmail, one can understand PC and PW incandescent rage.
Meghan will merch to her heart's content. She will 'earn' millions.
Shall she go to her reward?
He looks like a man, not like a boy. I assume he is better company than the next x husband. He has more hair too.
Why now? Perhaps he arranged a pap photo on his terms so it would be flattering. He may be bothered with calls about MM back in LA. Perhaps, he wanted to get his " polite no comment" out there.
He could be throwing some shade that he is in Beverly Hills driving his Porche while she is wherever posting old pictures of her rented car?
Well....if the Duchess of Room did educational videos of said devices with the Duke ..... it would break the internet.
We are still waiting for you to retract the Nazi comments
The only Royal known to have ever worn a swastika, to my knowledge, is that f-ing idiot Harry himself.
Q.Elizabeth, HM's mother, was so determined to take a Jerry with her in case of invasion she learned to shoot a pistol.
King George VI, having served in the Navy at the Battle of Jutland against his cousin the Kaiser, earned the respect and love of the nation for how he led us in WW2, despite not being prepared for the role. He was supported totally by his wife and daughters.
Prince Philip served in the British Navy in WW2, although we don't hear a great deal about it; this might interest you:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/28/monarchy.davidsmith
He is not responsible for the actions of his relatives in Germany.
Prince Philip's mother did not abandon the people of Greece when the Germans invaded; when they presented themselves and asked what they could do for her she told them they get out of her country. Furthermore, she hid a family of Jews under her own roof and is honoured at Yad Vashem in Israel, among the Righteous of the Nations.
I don't know what particular axe you have to grind, and I don't much care, except to say I am sorely tempted to tell you where you can put it.
Instead, I shall ask you, again, not to make groundless assertions here; they cause great offence.
Meghan picked up on that, and ran with it.