Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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- I am confused about Lord Geidt. I know Charles wanted him gone a few years back, and I think that was a massively dumb mistake with PP leaving, but I thought he came back to BP at the Queen’s behest last year. What gives? Is he or isn’t he helping the BRF? I need to dig up that announcement—might’ve been around the time Sara Latham came on board (she is a giant question for another time).
- I am sad for Beatrice. Remember all that we were reading about her tears about her father’s situation before Christmas? Maybe it was harder on her because she saw writing on the wall or maybe the tears were something else, but the story was Edo was doing the church walk as support. Better to be done with him, Bea. What a rotten situation. Really sorry about that. ☹️
- If we are talking gut feelings and when we knew, I also time it to the engagement interview. I remember looking at my daughter and saying “wow, she’s a handful,” and both of us thought she wasn’t being honest. It was instantly clear, I’m sure to all of us, how self impressed she is and how cute she thought she was being with her “oh but I’m so excited” talking over Harry, and Harry just looked uncomfortable and dare I say embarrassed. I knew then that she was not going to mix well with William or Catherine unless I had totally done misunderstood them. Makes me sick to think about it and I don’t want to rewatch it.
- I love Prince Philip. Love him! I am aware that he hasn’t been the best husband, but he has been important in so many ways. YES he is the one who kept one eye on those boys during that dreadful funeral march, and I think he reached out to Diana in ways no one else could. Give me an irreverent man who looks/carries himself like that but writes those kind of thoughtful letters any day. Oh to be able to get an autobiography out of him! If he didn’t stick around to lay eyes on Harry yesterday, then Harry broke his heart. I hope he was actually there for that 2-hour window when Harry was at Sandringham early. I don’t wish that weight on Harry, horrible as he has been.
- I need time to dive deeper on the other stuff, including Doria because @Elle I see your argument. And yes to someone (sorry!), if we believe Meghan’s account of her “great” mom’s advice, she did train Meghan in transactional relationships. But who believes Meg about anything? Like I said yesterday, Doria would be my top pick to interview (because even at his age, I’d be a little speechless in front of Philip).
All pure speculation and thanks to anyone willing to read it.
Daily Mail is starting to unleash on Meghan. I'm counting seven new articles in about the last hour and they are not positive.
Let's see how long it takes for the counter offensive from her PR to start.
I think Liver Bird and I are OK now. She was correct to hold me to account for flinging around words like 'prison' when I was only repeating a general rumor. If general rumors were never allowed in discussion, our board would shut down pretty quickly, but accusing someone of being a convict is on a different level than repeating a rumor about demands for air fresheners or avocados. There are levels of rumor. Doria's past is not relevant, but from a psychological point of view, I wonder what went on in that house when Meg was growing up.
I would hope the journalistic standards for libel do not apply to blog comments. Otherwise, many of us here are screwed. I don't see how those would be enforceable. We know doxxing does work, some of the time. Skippy returned defiant as ever if she was ever shut down.
The huge drawback about becoming a public figure is that it becomes open season on every less than perfect decision you ever made at any point in your life, no matter how many years ago, and long before you entered public scrutiny. That's why Bill Clinton never inhaled, among others. But the scrutiny for public figures splashes onto their families, too, and then you, the celebrity/wannabe Duchess/politician becomes responsible for all *their* misdeeds too by extension.
Someone said it's present misdeeds that matter now, and I agree.
@tatty
>>>What ages was She when they lived with her? If it was from infant to 5 years old, then yes she would barely know them....<<<
Tom and Doria divorced when Meg was two. There is a 15+ year age gap between the siblings so they would have been teenagers when Meg was born and up to 2. Then she and her mom moved to their own place where I presume there was no contact with Tom's other kids much, if at all, or how much time she had with her dad. The period of Doria's absence started when Meg was a preteen, 12 to 17 years old. She attended junior and senior high while living with Tom. By this point, Sam and Tom Jr. would have been in their 20s to early 30s. I wouldn't expect them to have been daily visitors during this period, but we've got enough family snaps to show that they would have been around for various family celebrations--birthdays, Christmas . . some definitely have Christmas decorations in them; others look like regular family gatherings. I 'barely know' my Starbucks barista; I see her maybe 2-3 times a month for about a total of 15 minutes. Even so, we chat. I know she recently was promoted to store manager, has a young child and what her favorite drink is. Even if Meg only spent 5 years' worth of birthdays and holidays with her older siblings, her knowledge of them should be more than 'barely'.
It all comes down to her not wanting to acknowledge that she knew them pretty well, as her blood. Just the white blood, and not posh enough for the set she aspired to. By the time she'd known Jessica Mulroney for a year and a half, they were Best Friends.
There is a generational gap between Meg and her siblings, to be sure. But her claim that she didn't recognize her half-brother in a family photo when asked about him is really cold, wouldn't you say?
@happy Days
H.G. Tudor is up to part 10 with A Very Royal Narcissist (In a big fan too).
This week has certainly inspired him!
@KC Martin: Thanks for the heads-up. I haven’t even read part 9, so this will be double-bonus reading. Tudor dissects Meghan’s NPD like the rat that she is. Wait, my apologies to rats.
We have observed MM closely for ages now. We KNOW she can't stick to rules and agreements to save her life. It's only a matter of time before she offends the BRF massively on branding, is caught giving only tiny amounts to charity and is seen to be unacceptably touting for business in Lion King the Sequel.
Add to that the rising discontent of the taxed masses in North America, which will still reflect on the BRF while MM has any connection to them at all. I say MM, but of course Harry is still just as culpable. I do feel however that he still has a way back.
We just have to be patient. I know, I know ...
"So you stated as a fact something you have no proof to be true at all?"
I solidly stand in support of @Hikarie precisely because she has more evidence about Doria than 90% of people have when they state Harry is taking drugs and Meghan is using Harry (or used a surrogate, etc...) or Archie is with his real parents, blah, blah blah,
In California with their extremely liberal judicial system. Doria could have had a felony expunged and therefore no record of it.
Legal Definition of a "Misdemeanor" in California Law. ... “Standard” California misdemeanors, punishable by up to 6 months in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000; 1and. “Gross” or “aggravated” misdemeanors,” punishable by up to 364 days in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000 or more.
I stand in solid support of @Hikarie as 90% of what people write here they Do Not Have Proof of, such as Harry is taking drugs or Meghan used a surrogate or Archie is with his real parents, blah, blah blah, innuedo and speculation presented as facts over and over, almost every other post.
In California with their extremely liberal judicial system. Doria could have had a felony expunged and therefore no record of it.
That's not true. Diana's Will was publicly disclosed and everything between the boys was equal. Her sister and mother were the executors and they went to court to change some of the terms of her Will. It was kind of slimy IMO..but they didn't change the 50/50 for the boys. Main slimy change affected Diana's many godchildren who were supposed to get non-jewelry personal property.
There WAS a story making the rounds that the Queen Mother left more to Harry for that reason. But that's kind of been discounted because she died with heavy debts some of which TQ had to pay.
I think it was discussed here that lots of the Harry stories of the past might have been fabrications from Harry's camp to make him look better...that he was left more money, that Diana thought he'd be a better king than William and she used to call him "Good King Harry"....
The duchess and her style guru are said to have been in touch after Kensington Palace was informed by the Mail on Sunday about its interview with Mrs Nelthorpe-Cowne, a former friend and adviser.
A Mail on Sunday journalist had notified the Palace about the contents of the story.
The paper's lawyers suggest Meghan then passed this message on to Mrs Mulroney 'with a request that she intervene to try to ensure that a more favourable article was published'.
Later that day – April 7, 2018 – Mrs Mulroney wrote to Mrs Nelthorpe-Cowne 'putting pressure on her to withdraw or change statements', it was claimed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7887993/Meghan-Markles-closest-confidante-Jessica-Mulroney-tried-fix-press-article-Duchess.html
Jessica Mulroney is one of Meghan's flying monkeys. And I see Meghan's been having Jessica or some of her other flying monkeys talk to People magazine about the BRF being toxic. She's going to be smearing them all over the place through her proxies.
PART 1
I don't know if you’ve seen it, but there is a video that Jeremy Vine shared on Twitter showing the Duke and Duchess of Sussex attending the premiere of The Lion King. When the Royal couple draw level with Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, and his wife, this is the conversation that takes place:
Prince Harry: “You know she does voiceovers (gesturing at Meghan, who is ahead of him chatting to Beyonce)?”
Bob Iger: “Oh, really? Ah.”
Prince Harry: “You seem surprised… but, yeah, she’s really interested.”
Bob Iger: “Sure… we’d love to try.”
If Bob Iger seems “surprised”, as Harry noted – I’d say startled and embarrassed – that is nothing compared to the look of frank consternation on the face of Mrs Iger. Showbiz royalty like the Igers are used to being ambushed and asked for opportunities. They just don’t expect it to happen when they’re in a receiving line meeting the sixth in line to the throne.
It is mortifying to see Prince Harry pitching his wife as a voiceover artist while he’s on official duty. To me, he has the slightly desperate air of a man scrambling to make things right for a deeply unhappy woman. Why else would he abase himself in that manner?
That was back in 19 July. So we know that two months after Archie’s birth, the Sussexes were already looking to leverage their Royal status to secure high-profile work which they knew would never be approved by the Palace. And, lo!, as if by magic, prior to last week’s announcement that the couple would be stepping back from their Royal duties, the Duchess reportedly signed a deal with, yes, Disney. It is said to have a charitable purpose.
This excruciating, cashing-in scenario is exactly what the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William will have been worried about. For Her Majesty, the Crown is a unifying, God-given force in the life of the nation. For her beloved grandson and his questing American wife, it is a hugely powerful “brand” that opens doors to people who would otherwise tell a former B-list actress to get lost.
I’m sure the Queen would be appalled to think of her family as a brand, even if she knew what one was. To Sussex Royal – am I the only one to find that name incredibly naff? – it is the lifeblood on which their future prosperity depends.
It is perfectly possible to adopt a relatively low-key life and escape the pressures of the Royal goldfish bowl. After William and Kate had baby George, they lived on Anglesey where Kate was spotted in a Breton Boden top doing her grocery shop in Waitrose. I suspect Harry would welcome that kind of anonymity. You can bet it is not the sort of non-Royal life Meghan has in mind.
In her statement yesterday, the Queen behaved towards the Duke and Duchess of Sussex with considerably more kindness and consideration than they had shown her. (A majority of the public think the Queen was treated shoddily by the couple, with 71 per cent saying they were wrong not to tell her in advance of their Instagram announcement.)
Mindful, perhaps, of Meghan’s history of ghosting key members of her family and friends and colleagues, I guess the Royals know they must tiptoe on eggshells lest an angry, ensnared Harry is either lost to them forever or spills the beans.
In a clearly rushed, almost panicky statement, the Queen mentioned “family” seven times and, most unusually, referred to Harry and Meghan by their names, not their titles. She said that she and her family were “entirely supportive” of the couple’s desire “to create a new life”, although they would have “preferred them to remain full-time working members of the Royal family”. She agreed to “a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK”.
Behind that careful, conciliatory tone lies a minefield of hurt, betrayal, mistrust, smarting egos and fear of further unpleasantness. Prince Charles, who dug deep into his own coffers to make the couple feel treasured and who sweetly walked Meghan down the aisle, must feel like he has been kicked in the teeth.
Prince Philip is “spitting mad” at the disrespect to his wife. Prince William is barely on speaking terms with a brother whose “character” he frets has changed. How devastated Diana would be to see her darling boys thus estranged.
The Duchess, who tactically left Archie behind in Canada when she and Harry returned briefly to the UK for their bombshell announcement, was not invited to join the Sandringham discussion by phone. No wonder when her PR man – the immortally named Kenny Sunshine – would doubtless have been listening in and taking notes to be used as soundbites in a threatened “tell-all” TV interview.
I think we can take it as read that the splitting their time between North America and the UK thing can be translated as Meghan will stay put on the other side of the Atlantic – perhaps turning up at Wimbledon if her friend Serena is playing – while Harry shuttles back and forth, trying to honour his duties to his regiments and charities while keeping his marriage on track.
It all seems so desperately sad when you look back on that perfectly happy day, May 19 2018, when the British people rejoiced as Harry Wales, after his mother the most adored Royal of the modern age, married his dazzling bride. I wrote at the time that Walt Disney himself could not have drawn a more perfect princess. Little did we know that, less than two years later, Meghan would have signed to do a voiceover for Disney.
Cheating does suck, yes. Though in the interests of objective fairness to all, we have only rumor and speculation that Edo cheated on Bea with his ex. He probably did, but if we are going to respect Doria in relation to rumors, then he should get the same. We haven't had an 'official' statement that the wedding is off, have we? When it arrives, I'm certain it won't read "Princess Beatrice of York regrets to announce that she has called off her engagement to Edo Mapelli Mozzi due to discovery her fiance balling his baby mama.'
I've never had an engagement or a marriage or an ex or any of that messiness, but I can easily imagine how complicated feelings can be. Edo gave Bea an engagement ring, but he also quite recently gave another woman an engagement ring also, and that woman had his child. In my opinion, his feelings for Dara were not resolved. Splitting up right after they'd become new parents, she gone all the time, getting involved with Bea so soon after all that. Bea's claim on this man has always seemed tenuous at best, like he wasn't 100% emotionally available and she rushed into an engagement because she's over 30 and her little sister had just gotten happily married.
I want Beatrice to find happiness, but not if Edo would be choosing the wrong partner. If he still loves Dara, they should give it another go for the sake of their child. Dara could also be an agent provocateur who is trying some Meghan style love bombing tactics on the guy she bailed out on before, now suddenly more appealing because he was pledged to another woman.
I prescribe counseling for all. Messy.
Now, what's 'MM's bombshell lawsuit' all about? Another one???? Yoinks.
I really can't take many more bombshells. This is starting to feel like London during hte Blitz.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6033303/meghan-markle-sister-samantha-grant-royal-wedding-invites/
Fair enough, the majority of us now say, let the Sussexes have the life that they want. It’s cruel to keep them trapped in a gilded cage if it’s causing anxiety and even panic attacks.
By all means look after your mental health, and your beautiful baby boy, and fly away. But don’t expect to take our money with you, don’t profit from tax breaks you’re no longer entitled to, don’t count on the Rolls-Royce security offered by Royal protection officers, don’t embarrass our Queen and her successors, don’t think you can keep vacant Frogmore Cottage, tarted up the by taxpayer to the tune of £2.4 million, just so you can pretend you live there. Rent it out as other people have to do to make ends meet; you can always put it on HeirBnB.
Freedom, as you’re about to find out, does not come free of charge; it’s an expensive, hard, mucky, tarnished business.
And please, whatever you do, don’t claim that you were “driven out”, or that the British people were racist towards Meghan, because that is the most insulting, disingenuous, face-saving falsehood. North America may be shamefully short of mixed-race couples; a tolerant UK leads the world in them. We only ever wished you the best.
When Prince Harry makes the draw tomorrow for the 2021 Rugby League World Cup at Buckingham Palace, his first official engagement since the Sussexes announced their abdication from Royal duties, he won’t be booed. But feelings towards him have already cooled. Remember when just the sight of him used to make us smile? How much longer can the Rugby Football League rely on the services of their Patron? Nobody knows.
How long will the Royal Marines have their Captain General, a special role he inherited from his grandfather? Last July, the Duke failed to attend a memorial concert for the Royal Marines. Instead, he chose to be Meghan’s plus-one at that Lion King premiere where he touted for work for his wife. It was a sign his priorities and loyalties had shifted, away from merit to meretriciousness. The lads thought it was a poor show. The old Harry, who used to be be one of the lads, would have agreed.
I am trying not to think this, I really am, because it’s probably not fair, and the story is complicated, but if I sense that, imagine how the Queen must feel. All families have to absorb the quirks and ambitions of new members who, in turn, must adapt to their peculiar new relations. In this case, the accommodating seems to have been decidedly one-sided. The Duchess felt “it wasn’t working” for her.
All Granny can do is humour the tricky granddaughter-in-law, make her feel she’s got what she wanted, while keeping the indignant British taxpayer onboard. If they get the money side of the Sussex deal wrong, it will not only be utterly toxic, it could hasten the end of the monarchy.
Prince Harry is a huge loss to this country. Like losing Big Ben or Windermere. His wife doesn’t see to mind how many bridges they burn. The Royals must hope that, however volatile and estranged Harry may be right now, the dear boy will always feel that he can come home.
ENDS.
Certainly don't agree Harry is a huge loss though. He's got away with so much for years, he's lucky he remained popular for so long. He needs Edward Lane Fox back so he can work the miracles he used to perform as Harry's private secretary. After Meghan's gone of course.
"Associated Newspaper goes further in its defence document, alleging that on another occasion in April 2018, the Duchess enlisted a ‘close friend of hers, Jessica Mulroney, to intervene” after another friend Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, a former commercial adviser, had given an interview to the Mail on Sunday. After the interview - but before it was published - the newspaper approached Jason Knauf, the Duke of Sussex’s then communications secretary, notifying him of the interview’s contents."
"Associated newspapers, in its legal defence, then alleges that on the same day the Duchess contacted Ms Mulroney “to try to ensure that a more favourable article was published”. Ms Mulroney, the newspaper alleges, wrote to Ms Nelthorpe-Cowne requesting she withdraw or change the statements she had given."
Markle is unbelievable - as usual! So when her ghosted ex friend / PR agent Gina wrote her original articles, MM orchestrated the removal of some of the information. I remember that two 2018 articles from Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne about Meghan Markle came out in the DM in quick succession, and recall wondering why they published 2 so close together. Now I'm thinking they printed the second one with the additional info that MM had excluded from the first one.
144. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 01/12 **7**
The PR team for the alliterate royal thought they were doing her a favor by saying it was her loving husband that helped her get an acting part. Apparently though, she was ticked off because it made it seem as if her acting isn't good and her husband had to call in favors or use his position to get her a role. [Meghan Markle/Prince Harry (Prince Harry Heard Asking Disney CEO About Getting Meghan Markle Voiceover Work in Resurfaced Video)]
Maybe why the vid seems to be disappearing.
@KC said "Diana left more money on her will to Harry than to William, I believe.."
Thanks for clarifying this, lizzie!
Re. Lord G.
>>I am confused about Lord Geidt. I know Charles wanted him gone a few years back, and I think that was a massively dumb mistake with PP leaving, but I thought he came back to BP at the Queen’s behest last year. What gives? Is he or isn’t he helping the BRF?<<<
It is very confusing, innit? I too had been under the impression that he had been brought back in the capacity as Queen's private secretary, but he was appointed as to a post with the Commonwealth Trust to oversee the new 'Youth Ambassors' scheme which the Queen had made Harry and Meghan President and Vice President of.
Running this through the Liz-olator:
"We are giving our grandson and his new wife this very impressive sounding sinecure because We had to give them something to be seen to be doing, but We are looking to you, Lord G., to actually run it and be Our eyes and ears.'
In short: Lord G.'s callback was baby sitting detail for Megs and Harry, but to my knowledge, apart from the one reception where we see him giving Meg his Handshake of Doom, while she was 'pregnant', the Harkles did sod all as Youth Ambassadors for the Commonwealth. Lord G.'s oversight was limited in this capacity. As Private Sec'y to the monarch, he would have wielded power in BP second only to HM. The Sec'y is the queen's mouthpiece and majordomo . . similar to Chief of Staff for the American president. He's the gatekeeper as to who gets audiences with HM and lesser mortals might see him only, and not the Queen. He might have pissed off Charles and Andrew by being too good a watchdog and not letting them in to see her . .?
Anyway, Lord G. sounded like a formidable figure who ran a tighter ship at the Palace than his successor, Sir Edward Young, poor sod, who might be feeling as beleaguered as Neville Chamberlain right about now.
There are plenty of pictures on the internet of Thomas and Meghan during the ages of 2 - pre-teen when she supposedly lived with Doria and before he had official custody. I believe Thomas supplied the roof over her head one way or another, through-out most of her childhood. There are way more pics of Thomas and MM together than there are Doria and MM.
Stockholm Boy
[Blind Gossip] Many people have been wondering why this family has not been more brutal and decisive in cutting out its rogue members.
Fortunately, we have some insight from an insider!
The family is thinking about the long-term implications. While they are furious – not just upset, but furious – about what is happening, they do believe there will come a time in which he will return to them.
What time is that?
They believe there will be a divorce within five years.
So, what is their strategy?
They must allow him to go but keep in contact and leave the door open for him to return. If they close the door on him, he might feel obligated to stay in the marriage longer because there would be no where else for him to go.
What about his wife?
The most frequent word I hear used to describe her internally is “duplicitous.” They know that from the beginning she has said or done whatever she needed to do to capture him, all while planning to do the exact opposite after marriage. They call it a “long con.”
If they knew this, why didn’t they warn him?
They did so repeatedly! Any warnings from the family were summarily dismissed by him.
This is a powerful family. Can’t they take her down?
Despite the conspiracy theories, his family will not “take her out” or publicly “take her down.”
They have dual objectives: To get him to return to the family, and to protect the family. To do both requires great restraint on their part.
For example, they know that they can not criticize her openly. Criticizing her would only result in his defense of her and in her positioning herself as the victim or martyr. Unfortunately, she has conditioned him to see her as his only ally and his family as the enemy.
So, does this mean that his family will work with her?
Only insomuch as to facilitate his return. That is a primary objective.
That wording almost makes him sound like a hostage.
In many respects, he is an emotional hostage who is siding with his captor. He is not locked up in a room, but he is emotionally tied to her. She is in charge and he will not work against her.
That sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. Can’t his family pay her a “ransom” to get him back?
Right now, she is confident that she can make much more money with him than by giving him up. That is what makes this situation so unusual.
https://blindgossip.com/stockholm-boy/#more-99944
That's true. I've only seen a few with Doria from infancy and young girlhood.
I keep thinking about Archie, not mentioned during any of this. Will Archie still be in the line of succession? How about H? Is Archie's DNA part of the issue?
What was the fight about the night before the polo match? That was a couple of days before Wimbledon, and yet, Kate still went with that wretch because Kate's so mean (just let Rach try that one).
Why are Rach's friends worse than silent, they're distancing themselves? What would make Alexis Ohanian would make such a public statement? ("You will start to wonder if it'll ever catch up with them, but I've convinced myself that in the long-term, it's just not sustainable for them. Eventually enough people will see them for who they really are--charlatans.") Just so many things, and yet, that shameless fraud is out getting papped today and smiling about it. I do not see this going well for her. And I'm gleeful when I think of it because she's told so many lies, conned the world, and destroyed a family.
Thanks for that. H&M are already spinning the story the RF was toxic and not supportive of Meghan when racist articles were published in the British press.
AS an American who's read the DM for several years , I've found them to brutal at times, e.g. a sweaty Andrew in a disco dance floor, but don't recall racist articles about M. The headline about straight out Compton was stupid and attention grabbing though.
""I appreciate the free flow of speculative information here and think of it as crowdsourcing. There is so much misinformation and outright fabrication everywhere now. But the truth still matters and we should keep researching and discussing to find it. Please posters do not feel the need to self censor.""
Most everybody here wants to speculate without any shred of facts. That is just the way it is here (and probably any blog). Then don't get holier-than-thou when one person does it and you are guilty of the same thing (usually over and over). Look at your own actions before you fault someone else.
It seems like certain people want to be the blog police here and are hypocrites when they don't realize we can see they do the same thing. And lets be honest, many seem afraid to complain about the 'blog police' here as they are so strong in their personality and bulldoze their views on us. (Note: not saying you btw 'Liverbird').
Yeah we should self'censor on the matter if we are trying to criticise or shame someone on the very thing we do ourselves.
Go ahead and speculate but 'live and let live' to posters, all posters (not just the biggie bloger personalities.
Didn't mean you were the blog police either @holly. I think you meant well.
Thus the part time fiction will be very short lived.
It could even happen at this rugby engagement this week.
Taking it off the table can only serve to simplify the negotiations, expose the Sussex dishonesty, and may illustrate to Harry that Meghan only agreed to the part time fiction as a sop to Harry's guilt over his betrayal of his family, his duty, his country, and his oaths.
He should be sent to review the Royal Marines. They would just love to have him back, I'm sure.
And what about the secrets of fauxchie the ever changing child? If he is indeed faux, that fact should be outed asap even if they are dealing with a neurotic prince and his psychotic wife.
Who is eligible to have a conviction expunged?
Expungement is available to defendants convicted of either California misdemeanors or felonies provided that:
The defendant has successfully completed probation for the offense, and
The defendant either:
Did not serve time in state prison for the offense,
or
Served time in state prison, but would have served it in county jail had the crime been committed after implementation of "Realignment" under Proposition 47.1 (those that could have been charged as felonies or misdemeanors - mainly some theft and drug stuff, and there are limits on those, too.)
SO, not all crimes, not all felonies, fraud isn't on the list, and the expungement must fit into the categories above.
Yes!!
He would never dare, though Megsy would.
a plane to somewhere in Canada.
Also, apparently the lawsuit with her Dad has hit the docket as well. Comments in dm are mainly unfavorable to and Harry.
Did you see the blind yet?
@ Ava,
Thanks for that. H&M are already spinning the story the RF was toxic and not supportive of Meghan when racist articles were published in the British press.
I am recalling the trip to Chelsea where Meg *accompanied* the QUEEN, which is pretty much HMTQ proclaiming her One of Us. Americans call it "wrapping [her] in the flag." We love our flag. (I almost said wrapping MM in the Royal Standard, not the same, it might not have gone over well).
I guess it was a test too, of sorts, and MM didnt do so well on it.
Questions about proof ... (of anything)
Think about how long legally people and businesses are required to hold onto their paperwork.
Bank statements that she paid for all of her schooling.
unlikely to be out there unless she felt a need to keep it to prove something (if only to herself that she did this). why? bank records only need to be kept for a certain number of years (7 believe) and she has long passed that. That time period was when they may have actually returned cancelled checks or beginning to have it scanned depending on the bank. Her father, in his move to Mexico to lighten his financial load, probably didn't bring them with him either if he was the one who paid for it.
What about the banks? meh that kind of thing may or may not still be around because if they legally don't have to keep it as a record, why should they? One's only hope is micro fiche. Alas, so probably not. It might be in a box some where but where and is it still around and can it really be found is a crap shoot.
Phones: this is much more recent and therefore more likely to be available on a statement. Can statements be forged? yes with photoshop, many things are possible but the court can request some sort of documentation from the source (phone provider) to clarify what is and isn't a real statement.
Would some side be crazy and create something? well? well? not telling the truth to your lawyer is so not a good idea. Ever.
It could also require people to know to take snaps of their calls and texts perhaps keep the texts) to help document that they did, indeed, do what they are claiming they did.
Computers
tee hee hee. To allow a deep dive, is to allow access to not just what you want, but what you would not want seen associated with you on the front page of the paper, above the fold.
Pivot: DM article that Harry was always part of the slimmed down monarchy
The comments are brutal.
Thank you for confirming what I said was correct. I did not say All felonies could be expunged but some can. If Doria had a felony that could be expunged then she might have had it done Especially IF she wanted to get licensed as a Social Worker. I rest my case.
IEschew re: Lord Geidt, it looks like someone answered that, but here are some interesting photos of the Lord G putting the fear of a very powerful deity into Rach, in case you need to practice your evil laugh lol:
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNTkZ-gBo3QpSyqvU4l6Wy1Pdw96ow:1579050814486&q=lord+geidt+meghan+markle&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9vYTXtoTnAhWBoFsKHYVtAgkQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1280&bih=681
and ditto: re Philip. All of it.
I need time to dive deeper on the other stuff, including Doria because @Elle I see your argument. Good :) I'm really not a heartless unforgiving person lol. A lot of people screw up, and I believe in doing the time and getting another chance, usually, depending on the crime, of course. Even though the WC is considered to be the hell where all liberals live without the rule of law lol, we actually have a location in WA where repeat the most dangerous sex offenders are kept even after they've done their time and this is arguably in clear violation of their civil rights. I don't hear anyone crying too loudly about it, however. In other situations, crimes of moral turpitude can come back to haunt, even if the time has been done, and that is not always the case. Details regarding prior bad acts and previous criminal history are not always allowed. So, that's my long way of saying that I'll look forward to hearing about what you find. Eventually, the snow is going to melt here and I won't be on an ice slab, so i'll have to go back to work, and may not get to it soon :(
And @Ava C
"...the tricky granddaughter-in-law well, now that's something I wouldn't have expected to see in print a month ago lol
But too true about the money, and I believe the last bit about Harry is key for many reasons.
Proof by Thomas
Cool.
Tuition
Fees (these days are more than tuition)
Dorm
Textbooks
Meal plan if live on campus
Individual class fees like lab fees
Etc.
Interesting BlInd Gossip Post from Today
Two things: 1- I saw a post on this thread saying the past Harkle reveals were gone from this site. Looks like they are back up.
2- There’s a new post today that’s an interesting interview with a palace insider. From the quotes, it sounds like the RF has had Meghan super sussed from the start of this mess.
See below. Insider replies are in quotes.
Blind Gossip January 14, 2020
Stockholm Boy
Many people have been wondering why this family has not been more brutal and decisive in cutting out its rogue members.
Fortunately, we have some insight from an insider!
“The family is thinking about the long-term implications. While they are furious – not just upset, but furious – about what is happening, they do believe there will come a time in which he will return to them.”
What time is that?
“They believe there will be a divorce within five years.”
So, what is their strategy?
“They must allow him to go but keep in contact and leave the door open for him to return. If they close the door on him, he might feel obligated to stay in the marriage longer because there would be no where else for him to go.”
What about his wife?
“The most frequent word I hear used to describe her internally is “duplicitous.” They know that from the beginning she has said or done whatever she needed to do to capture him, all while planning to do the exact opposite after marriage. They call it a “long con.””
If they knew this, why didn’t they warn him?
“They did so repeatedly! Any warnings from the family were summarily dismissed by him.”
This is a powerful family. Can’t they take her down?
“Despite the conspiracy theories, his family will not “take her out” or publicly “take her down.”
“They have dual objectives: To get him to return to the family, and to protect the family. To do both requires great restraint on their part.”
“For example, they know that they can not criticize her openly.“
“Criticizing her would only result in his defense of her and in her positioning herself as the victim or martyr.”
“Unfortunately, she has conditioned him to see her as his only ally and his family as the enemy.”
So, does this mean that his family will work with her?
“Only insomuch as to facilitate his return. That is a primary objective.”
That wording almost makes him sound like a hostage.
“In many respects, he is an emotional hostage who is siding with his captor. He is not locked up in a room, but he is emotionally tied to her. She is in charge and he will not work against her.”
That sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. Can’t his family pay her a “ransom” to get him back?
“Right now, she is confident that she can make much more money with him than by giving him up. That is what makes this situation so unusual.”
It certainly will be interesting to see how this all plays out!
Proof by Thomas
Cool.
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AND Thomas is working on the DAILY MAIL's SIDE in the lawsuit!! I'm so proud of him!! That is major evidence IMO of MM's soulless character. It's very sad but I guess it's better for him to accept the situation.
She didn't do student loans. She didn't pay for her college. Her dad paid for all of it plus.
Did Megs pay him back? No.
I just read that Megs paid for her mom's tuition to get her license to be a social worker. However, her mom got a degree from some place but the article states it hasn't found from what college, so that is a mystery. My guess is Doria got her college degree in prison. Yes, for those who don't know, you can get all sorts of college degrees in prison and tuition is free or close to free. Can't get college in jail, but can in prison. And in most places, if one is sentenced to more than 365 day sentence, person has to be put in prison, not jail. Lots of criminals are super happy to get prison time rather than jail because they can get college degrees there, while if one is stuck in jail, nothing, zero, not even a GED program in most jails. Stupid I know, but true.
The Nutty Flavor blog police are to be feared if your comment isn't up to their standards, you disagree with them or you go up against them. Of course, a number of people have got 'doxxed' by what they wrote online. I for one am respectful and careful; which is why I don't speculate unless it is strictly something that the law allows as an opinion'.
@Hikari - I am ashamed to admit I never usually have a automatic reaction about a person - I think it is largely due to my line of work but I am usually the one sitting back and observing and forming my opinion based on what I see later on. I am not a very fun person to have around:)
@Elle Blogger Elle, Reine des Abeilles said...
@Ozmanda, I totally agree and get it. My analogy is different, but the same, and you are the expert, so I wanted to get your answer :) It's why some of us were never sold on Rach - pings going off everywhere, from the engagement photo and that absurd wave to the pap walks with the poverty bags (GMAFB - the Tig, hello, nothing about poverty or her great works in the world), the looks she gave Kate at the Fab Four mtgs -- it was all there. Sometimes, I feel like I'm watching a totally different "movie" than the others in the room, but often, it's because my intuition is pinging while they're listening to the facts only.
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@Elle - I am ion touch with that emotion, I usually feel like the outcast because I am always analyzing, always observing and take in EVERYTHING to the point it becomes overwhelming. This is why I am introverted and really need alone time. I always want to know the answers to the small details - which can drive people a little crazy:)
ha haaa! Nutty would not really allow Blog Cops. She just wants everyone to be nice and respectful and try to stay on topic. Kinda like herding cats but actually we do pretty good most of the time.
Mimi / punkin / anonymous / hikari / abbyh / anyone else here / DID YOU SEE IT? :-)
I know! Exactly! And then, if I offer up my thoughts, esp at the beginning, I'm going to get all sorts of "but they said" BS back, and I'm very clear on what they didn't say, eye contact, gestures, incongruencies, perfect stories that sound rehearsed, too many details, etc. Of course, I also sound heartless because I call 'fake' and 'lie' faster, too. But in the end, I just make everyone say "Elle, you were right!" three times and I forgive them lol.
When I read "commune" I thought, how the hell long would she have lasted in one of those communes if she's only out for herself and what others will do for her? And, if she taught her kid that if someone doesn't do things for her to not bother being friends with them. Explains a lot about how she learned to ghost people. I can't remember the exact quote but Thomas Markle said Doria taught Megs to only make friends with people who are willing to do what she wants. Well how can anyone do a single thing Meg wants because she's such an over the top harridan, demanding, my way is the only way that's right type of person? Explains why she hasn't ghosted Five Friend Mulrooney though, (yet). Gotta have someone do your nasty press releases about your dad.
Although I find it very difficult to forgive Harry everything even if he is Meghan's psychological hostage. Which I think he is. His treatment of his grandparents, his brother, his sister-in-law who had truly made him one of HER 'young family', his nephews and niece who will have to get into royal mode sooner in their lives because of him, his country he is labelling racist ... his iniquities go on and on.
Fundamentally however, it is for the royal family in the private sphere to forgive him. But only if he is truly no longer part of the royal family in the public sphere. This is what we don't yet know for sure. While the public is kept hanging the anger will keep building.
However, what is not fun for us observers, is that therefore the RF will continue to play it slow, and essentially wait her out. She will eventually crash...or, as someone said earlier, they are "helping" devalue the Sussex name so that it isn't worth that much at the end of their "transition" period.
Harry is a total mess....whether it is enough to officially be Stokholm-like, who knows. I doubt he will ever turn into a fully-functioning, individuated adult.
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1217270086085619713
https://ladygreyhound93.tumblr.com
to see
1) Slowed-down loop of the time Archie met Archbishop Tutu. Harry is holding Archie tightly to his chest in that awful way we're familiar with, and Meghan goes up to them both and noticeably pauses, hesitating, before touching Archie. Just, as it says, as if it was the first time. As if he was someone else's baby and she wasn't sure if she had permission. Or as if he was an unexploded bomb.
2) Slowed-down loop from the engagement interview. She's smiling away, then watch her face when Harry says he'd never heard of her before i.e. before their blind date (if you can have a blind date with a British prince). Smile vanishes, face tightens and jaw turns to granite. Just a little peek of what we saw more clearly at the Inskip wedding.
“Look who we had tea with today! The Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, visited us today to discuss issues affecting women in the community. 💜”
Blind: Sadly it has the look of real.
It's kind of like when people call police/lawyers about a family member in a cult, has mental illness (think not dealing with reality/homeless) or married to someone who is keeping the family member away from the rest of the family.
The person is an adult and can legally not have anything to do with their family if they don't want contact.
The family, like the family in the blind, doesn't have a lot of options except to wait and not drive them further into the arms of the spouse. And hope the person survives the separation if drugs are part of the mix.
In the case of M, one cannot say that any or all articles which are negative to M are from the family because she has managed to piss off a lot of the press. And just because the press has not retaliated doesn't mean they won't later. Never get into an argument or start a war with someone who buys ink by the barrel means that the family doesn't need to do anything actually at all. She did it to herself.
And that, my friend, is living well as the best revenge.
Late to the party but read the Blind and I can see the sensibility and reasoning why the BRF would do what they have done.
And I also read the same things regarding Doria. Maybe the press didn't want to say anything because up to this point, Megs was in their fold. Who knows if they would write anything now since there seem to be far bigger things to discuss at present.
I sure hope poor Bea hasn't been burned by Edo, she deserves a good loyal man.
Yes there has been much released all of a sudden. The blind sounds true and although I think it will be frustraing waiting it out and I hope they don't spend too much moneu on her in the meantime.
I too feel bad about Bea - they have known each other for so long I'm surprised at him if it is true.
I agree the Doria trail is less intersting right now with all the Markle stuff coming out. Did you see the story on the last page about Meghan's law suit against the Daily Mail for printing the letter she wrote to Thomas? The DM finally gave their response. You will like that one!
BlueBell
Many people have been wondering why this family has not been more brutal and decisive in cutting out its rogue members.
“...long-term implications. While they are furious – not just upset, but furious – about what is happening, they do believe there will come a time in which he will return to them.”
My opinion: True, just what I'd do if I cared and had to behave. They love Harry, even if he is a a cotton-headed ninny muggins! Also, they cannot go ballistic or call it out because they'll stir sympathy for the star-crossed lovers and be the big meanies Rach would love them to appear to be. So gentle, caring, forgiving, accepting, and cooling that big dish of revenge to serve at just the right time (no fingerprints on the china, either).
“They believe there will be a divorce within five years.”
My opinion: If the BRF do this right, it will be sooner. The trick is cutting off the funds, merching and BRF$, and doing it discreetly with the truth (to quietly reveal Rach's hypocrisy and nastiness, esp if there is racism or abuse or Archie involved) and friends (back-channel press and others).
“They must allow him to go... If they close the door on him, he might feel obligated to stay in the marriage longer because there would be no where else for him to go.”
My opinion: True, true, true. He's a grown-ish short of man with just no real life experience and he's living with a street hustler. It's like Buddy the Elf fell in with a really, really bad crowd and also had a drinking problem that went well beyond syrup. Seriously, he's really leaving home for the first time - at 35 yo. And did I mention he's living with a street hustler who would cut him (figuratively, not literally, probably, but I've seen her looks).
“The most frequent word I hear used to describe her internally is “duplicitous.”... They call it a “long con.””
My opinion: They're really nice. The things I call this and her have fewer syllables and are for more to the point, but basically, yes.
“They did so repeatedly! Any warnings from the family were summarily dismissed by him.”
My opinion: And that's exactly it. It pushes him closer to her to defend and protect her if they say anything. Cognitive dissonance and the denial are strong with Harry, or anyone caught in that type of abusive relationship. I've watched women do it too many times. It is why Family Law is my no-fly zone. It's too hard not to want to shake people and yell "WTF is the matter with you?!" and it turns out that is a violation of the rules of professional conduct. This is the same situation the BRF finds itself in times a whole lot of money and the monarchy hanging in the balance.
Unfortunately...I now want to gag!
Sigh. Think I need to strengthen my own boundaries...lol
It's true apparently it's not known where Doria got her undergraduate degree that supposedly was in psychology. So it *might be* there is something weird there. Might not be, too.
But Doria's social work degree is an MSW (required for practice pretty much everywhere in the US) That's from USC and was
earned in 2015. Her license is the **initial entry level license** (Associate in Social Work/ASW) meaning she has not applied for the LCSW (the "real" SW license) can't practice without supervision and hasn't passed the national licensure exam and the ethics exam (despite what Wikipedia says she couldn't sit for those exams in 2015. She'd have to practice under supervision after graduation according to CA rules.)
Getting the initial license (really more of a "registration") requires paying a fee but no exam and no scrutiny. For example, a criminal background check is required **only** for the LCSW, not for the entry-level ASW. Kind of scary re: the ASW, not related to Doria but in general. HOWEVER, schools of social work, psychology, counseling can require criminal background check stuff for either admission or advancement to internship.
Guess Doria doesn't plan to seek the advanced license since she's not doing social work anymore anyway.
“Despite the conspiracy theories, his family will not “take her out” or publicly “take her down.”
My opinion: the key word there: "publicly"
“They have dual objectives: To get him to return to the family, and to protect the family. To do both requires great restraint on their part.”
My opinion: this requires delicate balance and gaming the scenarios. This is Art of War stuff, and laugh if you will, my Nutties, but it's still used.
“For example, they know that they can not criticize her openly.“
“Criticizing her would only result in his defense of her and in her positioning herself as the victim or martyr.”
“Unfortunately, she has conditioned him to see her as his only ally and his family as the enemy.”
My opinion: exactly on this and all of the rest of what was in the blind from this point on.
I've said all along that the BRF has to go long with this. They have to put on the "we tried, we're trying, we are really really, trying" front, all the while gathering more information and slowly tightening this up until there are no exits (think rabid wolverine in trap and you're about to take their raw meat from them - that is Rach - her temperament and how she will respond when she sees her meal ticket, her greedy, greedy, gauche vision of a meal ticket (the merching, not harry) taken from her).
But in order to do this and shut her down and get harry back, that means next cutting off money. But if they do it in a way that stirs up sympathy for poor Rach and H, then they and the monarchy itself are way screwed.
They've seen this coming, and I know that some here just think they're lame and/or weak and/or foolish, but I see it as carefully planning, holding back, choosing words wisely, and waiting. Just waiting for that perfect moment. Rach is rash and brash and tacky and foolish, and she will make more big mistakes and the BRF just has to bide time and have the back-channels prepped, and based on how I've seen Rach's friends silent or, worse, actively disengaging, those back-channel convos are happening.
I believe that one says cheaters cheat and fools believe somewhere in it, too. (This week I've been listening to Mongolian heavy metal again. Love the throat singing. The wild steppe speaks to my heart.)
Poor Bea she should not be faulted if Edo was unfaithful. And to the poster who mentioned something about her maybe considering an 'open marriage;, well that is just repulsive and she sure doesn't need to settle for that (I don't care how old she is). I saw the reference that maybe Edo had his hair cut by Dara, whattttttttttttt s***t is that? He has the money to go to a hair stylist. What a crock! I wouldn't want my fiance cozying up close to an ex for a hair cut...like maybe Dara rubs her breasts on Edo's head while she is cutting his hair...eeeew!!
I agree with everything you said. I too think it will take less than 5 years but she can't be allowed to prosper.
#BoycottMeghanMarkle !!
And as I wrote earlier I hope they don't spend too much money on her in the meantime.
She was out and about today doing PR faux community-care work! Now that she's working for herself we'll probably never see the end of her!
Have you been caught up? lol! Much has happened. We now (THINK) we know the RF's plan for handling the Harkles, the DM leaked info about their response to Meghan's lawsuit against them, we learned Thomas is definitely working for the DM side of the suit, Meghan has been getting Mulroney to hold-back info on her in the tabs, Meghan has been papped getting on a seaplane, she attended a PR community tea, and poor Bea may be getting cheated on! That's the summary of this evening!
At the time she lived with her father, whose house was walking distance from the school in Los Feliz, and saw her mother on weekends. The older she became, the more she felt she was the one who was mothering her father. It was a source of friction, especially when she started dating. As a friend notes: “Typical teenage stuff.” There were other issues, too, that clearly troubled her, though she did not discuss them publicly at the time. Fitting in was a constant concern. As she later recalled: “My high school had cliques: the black girls and white girls, the Filipino [sic] and the Latina girls. Being biracial, I fell somewhere in between. So every day during lunch, I busied myself with meetings—French Club, student body, whatever one could possibly do between noon and one p.m.—I was there. Not so that I was more involved, but so that I wouldn’t have to eat alone.” Photographer John Dlugolecki, who photographed Meghan and other students throughout high school, commented that Meghan would often talk to his wife, Vicki Conrad, about her love of drama. Vicky in turn noticed that Meghan never appeared to be part of the African American or the Asian groups of girls, or any other ethnic clique. Dlugolecki also remarked that Meghan “was not considered mixed race by her peers,” adding, “We only ever saw her with Tom, never with the mom.” And so it came as a mild shock to members of faculty when they finally got to meet Doria. “Everyone thought [Meghan] was Italian because she was so light skinned,” recalls one former teacher. “Then we met her mother and realized she was biracial.” As poised and confident as she seemed to her classmates, at Kairos, when she discussed her own demons, at least those about her family discord, it clearly enabled her to encourage her classmates to confront their own. Mrs. Knudsen recalls: “You have to be very honest about who you are and be willing to share all the things that you struggle with, your successes and failures. She was articulate, confident, feisty, and spunky. I remember her saying, ‘Why can’t we do it this way, has anybody thought about that?’ She was always thinking about a better way to do something, not just complaining.”
Morton, Andrew. Meghan (pp. 41-42). Grand Central Publishing. Kindle Edition.
There is a part of me which would not mind reading the Morton book on her but then I think, there is just so much going on right now, better wait for the updated versions as they may fill in all your questions.
I'm a bit late to this party (due to illness) but I've just had a lovely thought. Whilst Harry is still in GB, wouldn't it be a lovely surprise for him if Chelsey Davey turned up? I'm surprised, actually, that she hasn't shown up already. I am sure the BRF would just love to see her again, especially since MM is a whole ocean away.
It's the same with police, they hate responding to a domestic. Even if they intervene to protect a partner that is getting the living crap beat out of them, the partner that just got rescued may turn around and attack the police with deadly force to help the abuser.
Thomas Markle may give evidence against daughter Meghan in court
Thomas Markle is preparing to give evidence against his daughter in her privacy action against a British newspaper, legal documents indicate.
The Duchess of Sussex’s estranged father could be called as a central witness to detail how their relationship deteriorated.
Text messages between him and Meghan are included in legal papers submitted by Associated Newspapers, publisher of The Mail on Sunday, in response to Meghan’s legal action. She is suing the paper for misuse of private information, infringement of copyright and breach of the Data Protection Act for publishing a letter she wrote to her father after marrying Prince Harry in May 2018. Mr Markle did not attend the ceremony amid reports of a rift.
In its defence, filed with the High Court yesterday, the newspaper says that there is a “huge and legitimate” public interest in the royal family. Its submission states that Meghan is a “high-ranking member” who enjoyed “immense privilege and wealth”, funded in large part by public money. It also argues that she cannot claim a right to family privacy because she allowed friends to leak negative stories about Mr Markle after the wedding.
A week before the ceremony, Mr Markle texted her to say: “I look forward to trying on my shoes and see how we look thank you for getting it ready for me its probably past your bedtime so have a good night I love you Dad”. Days later, after press reports that he had posed for paparazzi, he was taken to hospital with heart problems and texted to say that he would not be well enough to attend the wedding.
The documents state that he received a text response signed “Love M and H”, but which read as if it was from Harry. It criticised Mr Markle for talking to the press and accused him of upsetting his daughter, the defence says. He replied “I’ve done nothing to hurt you Meghan or anyone else I know nothing about 20 phone calls I’m sorry my heart attack is . . . any inconvenience for you”.
The newspaper claims that Meghan “stoked” public interest in her private life by allowing information about her relations with her father to appear in People, an American magazine, days before The Mail on Sunday published her letter in February last year. The newspaper also asserts that she could not have had a reasonable expectation that the letter would remain private, because Mr Markle was entitled to tell his own story. It alleges that Meghan took great care over its presentation because she expected it may be leaked.
The People article quoted five of Meghan’s friends, all unnamed, speaking out against the “heartbreaking lies and bullying” she had endured from the press. The article included new details of her relationship with her father. It claimed that he refused to get into the car sent to collect him for the wedding, and revealed the existence of her letter.
Kensington Palace has refused to comment on whether People’s sources had Meghan’s consent, the newspaper says, adding: “It is to be inferred that the claimant … permitted the information in the People interview to be published, or acquiesced in the same.”
The Sussexes are privately funding the legal action, announced in October, and say that any damages will go to an anti-bullying charity. Schillings, their lawyers, say the “unlawful” publication of the letter “was part of a campaign by this media group to publish false and derogatory stories” about the royal couple.
Harry has issued proceedings against the owners of The Sun and the Daily Mirror over alleged phone hacking. The Sun is part of News UK, which also publishes The Times.
Why is she day tripping to Vancouver? IVF treatments. Tea with Huawei's Sabrina Meng who's under house arrest in Vancouver to compare notes?
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/meghan-markle-dtes-womens-centre-visit-2021666
Same MM story on CBC.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/meghan-markle-dtes-womens-shelter-1.5427270
Community Vancouver paper, The Georgia Strait.
Markle, 38, was seen boarding a seaplane in Victoria earlier today, but no one expected her to show up at the Downtown Eastside Women's Centre.
Her various appearances in B.C. are fuelling speculation that she and her husband, Prince Harry, may settle in B.C. now that the Queen has given them permission to live part-time in North America.
https://www.straight.com/life/1346791/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-visits-downtown-eastside-womens-centre-vancouver
Wowza.
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/1216652533508104193
There's multiple articles about it. Lets hope!!!
Harry and Meghan can have their cake and eat it
alice thomson
Part 1
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex should follow the example of Peter Phillips, who is part of the family but has built a proper career
Who would want to be a minor member of our royal family, forced to wear smocked rompers as babies then expected to compete in the modern world while everyone criticises everything from your baths to your bald patch. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have obviously concluded it’s unendurable. The sight of Uncle Andrew refusing to sweat on TV must have been the final straw: no one wants to be the spare.
But there is one member of the royal family who appears to have cracked it: the Queen’s eldest grandson, Peter Phillips, born fifth in line to the throne and given a 41-gun salute to mark his birth. He married his Canadian wife Autumn, an actress/model/management consultant, at Windsor Chapel, like Prince Harry, and his children, Savannah and Isla, have joint Canadian-British citizenship and flit across the Atlantic whenever they want, though not on private jets.
Pete, as his family call him, goes to banquets at Buckingham Palace and his children can use the indoor pool and cinema. He lives in a beautiful Cotswold farmhouse on his mother’s Gatcombe Park estate, bought for her by the Queen, and can use granny’s amenities in London rather than stay in a contentious grace-and-favour house. Only last weekend, hours before the family conference, the Queen hosted a shoot for him and his friends at Sandringham.
Mr Phillips — he has no title — has worked since leaving Exeter University for the Williams racing team, for RBS in Hong Kong and now runs a sports and events management company. Apart from a revelation in 2017 that the firm was paid £750,000 to organise an event marking the Queen’s 90th birthday, no one cares. No wonder Prince Philip, who adores his grandson, christened him “the winner”, while his sister Zara says he is “very calm, considered and grounded”.
Mr Phillips has managed to slide down the line of succession (he’s now 15th) with dignity. He has shown that you can keep many of the benefits of royalty — still watching Trooping the Colour from the balcony and making use of Windsor, Balmoral and Sandringham — while leading a comfortable private life.
He appears to have accepted that he and his family can never compete with others higher up the royal ladder. If only Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie had followed him and also got rid of their titles, protection officers and pretensions.
Mr Phillips didn’t lose his mother but he had a tricky childhood with his parents’ separation and divorce. He was the eldest grandchild but young William and Harry soon got all the attention; even Zara, a showjumper, is better known than he is. Yet he still had to ask his fiancée to convert from Catholicism to the Church of England, which she did for the Queen without public complaint.
Maybe he is his stoic mother’s son but it’s not all about maintaining a stiff upper lip. He often bear-hugs Princess Anne in public, his children dress in dungarees and clamber all over his back at horse trials. The Duchess of Sussex obviously worries that Archie will feel like a second-class royal but Savannah and Isla don’t look remotely disadvantaged.
Mr Phillips has realised that you can have a near-normal though very privileged life if you keep your head down and take the inheritance and perks, while finding a job to keep you happily occupied. Princess Margaret’s children, the Earl of Snowdon and Lady Sarah Chatto, have pulled off a similar feat.
Meghan and Harry can do the same after the “transition period”. It’s slightly ghastly watching the prince at a function asking the Disney CEO Bob Iger to give his wife a voiceover job, but Meghan should return to acting. Watching Suits again, she was great as Rachel: feisty, bolshy and difficult, but all on screen, and she’ll get protection on set. Harry can become a Canadian firefighter; after all, his brother did air rescue in Wales without being harassed. He could also lead the Queen’s Commonwealth Canopy, a network of forest projects, and continue his involvement with the Invictus Games rather than just become a celebrity activist. Archie can copy Savannah and Isla and use great-granny’s top-notch facilities while in Britain, but the family should ditch Frogmore Cottage.
A halfway-house arrangement isn’t going to work. The Princess of Wales floundered when she left the Firm; she continued to promote her charities as a global superstar but without the royal support structure. Her life became chaotic as she was still mobbed when she made public appearances but no one knew whether to curtsey any more, and she had to rely on sponsors like Mohamed Al Fayed and his son for transport and holidays. Sarah Ferguson was slated for selling slimming merchandise and trading on the family name after her divorce.
By making such a fuss about semi-retiring, yet wanting to stay centre-stage, Harry appears not to realise that his new deal could bring his family more scrutiny, not less. He risks jeopardising the arrangements of other royals: the public will question why they get perks and financial support from the Firm yet have so few responsibilities.
The Sussexes should get proper jobs, keep Archie out of the limelight and not try to compete with the royal circuit or cash in on the royal crest. Few will then begrudge them a security detail and they can feel respected for their talents. Peter Phillips shows how the younger royals can have their cake and eat it, as long as they don’t shove it down our throats too.
Swamp Woman!
Have you been caught up? lol! Much has happened. We now (THINK) we know the RF's plan for handling the Harkles, the DM leaked info about their response to Meghan's lawsuit against them, we learned Thomas is definitely working for the DM side of the suit, Meghan has been getting Mulroney to hold-back info on her in the tabs, Meghan has been papped getting on a seaplane, she attended a PR community tea, and poor Bea may be getting cheated on! That's the summary of this evening!
Thanks! I'm kinda/sorta caught up but I am afraid that I may have missed something significant in my hurried reading. I'll be out of state with no cell phone coverage tomorrow so I hope no really interesting things happen in the meantime because I'll NEVER be caught up.
My heart is broken for Bea; however, there are worse things than being alone. Being with somebody that does not respect her and treat her well would be one of those things. That being said, MM seemed to have a real dislike for the girls for whatever reason, and this could be some poison from her camp. *sigh*
The first id Stokholm Boy and the second focuses on her mystery PR.
Check it out.
In my opinion, she has heard that Canadians don't want to pay for her security and she wants to show us that she is "kind".
The language seems deliberate to me. Veiled juuust enough.
So, he and Serena have her number. Major volley in counteracting "it's the racism!" claims.
What a show.
Any insights?
Megs doing a victory lap today after "extracting" from the BRF. She figures she won.
Today was photo ops day as she notified the paps she would be getting on a seaplane. She looked like the average bundled up against the cold commoner here, at the seaplane dock. She had a huge grin under the hood of her parka. She is truly a woman of the people. She flew to Victoria for her prime ops photos of the day, at a women's center. I have no idea what this women's center does, don't care.
Analysis >>>> Gotta Tend to that humanitarian image before the Sussex merch-o-rama frenzy begins.
Over the course of your career, you'll encounter people who use strategic sycophancy in order to level themselves up, rather than, say, doing great work.
Some will hit their inevitable ceiling early, but others will actually continue to thrive.
You will start to wonder if it'll ever catch up with them, but I've convinced myself that in the long-term, it's just not sustainable for them. Eventually enough people will see them for who they really are--charlatans.
I realize that's little satisfaction for those of you working toward your recognition, your due. But there is no more surefire way to be successful in your career than to do great work, take ownership for everything that goes wrong, and be kind to everyone, especially yourself.
I can only speak for the tech industry, of course, but I suspect this is largely universal. I've only been doing this 15 years now, but the highest-performers (and most respected folks) I've encountered actually get-shit-done.
And while there are many people in the tech industry who seem to keep getting away with it, the more sunlight, the better.
And my own note, if Meghan actually wanted to go incognito in Vancouver, she could check into the relatively new Trump hotel. No one would ever suspect it was her, and film productions won't put clients there! Meghan is there to rub elbows with who ever she can though, so that'll never happen.
@Bluebell/Trudy and @HappyDays, the new blind sounds like it could be true. Thanks for bringing it over. In a way it’s relatable for most families who worry about a loved one who has mental illness, addiction issues, and/or is paired up with someone every blessed one else knows is very bad news. Per someone’s great post about how the BRF do things, I wonder if that was a BRF “leak” to explain and garner empathy.
@AvaC I enjoyed the Allison Pearson piece, and didn’t someone earlier today post another good Telegraph piece? I feel anti-Sussex yet loving-if-angry-at-Harry sentiments are out in the open and all well reasoned. Meghan doesn’t have a spot in that. Best of all, I think mainstream journos are beginning to ask bolder questions, as Allison Pearson does about the Sussex’s pretending to live in FrogCott. She buried the comment a bit, but she asserts it, doesn’t even it phrase it as a question!
The more and more normalized (vs tinhat) these questions we’ve all been asking become, the better.
Finally, it’s shaping up to be Tom Markle’s word against Meghan’s in the MoS suit. Bets on how long Meg pursues it? Seems like many of you feel a narc will pursue it to its bitter end? She will break Harry’s bank in no time if she doesn't have the clarity to drop it.
Splash news allegedly gives celebs a cut and edits photos to make sure the celeb is looking right.
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....so those photos of Murky Markle in the DM on her (hopefully) last day on British soil with soaking wet pits that reaked through my laptop screen, would normally have been edited to remove the offending stains - but they left them in to annoy her, right? RIGHT? :-) LMAO!
grammatical errors, patterns, etc.)
First of all Nutty did not ban 'Unknowns' so you are wrong, she suggested using screen names, but who wants to when you are a bully. You set yourself up as being an expert on psychology, law, interpersonal relationships, sleuthing by observing writing styles.grammatical errors/punctuations, music lyrics, cashmere, BFF with Catherine, knowing the motivations of the Royal family, food, tea, culture, etc...it never ends. You must be a really unhappy person since you have to act like this. Try to focus on the topics, let people have their opinions without always correcting or trying to make yourself the opinion counts the most, the longest and the loudest (in terms of strident).
Most importantly if you don't like a particular poster you are relentless in harassing them when they don't even say anything to you. Remember, Take Your Own Advice, SCROLL PAST. You attack and attack me and always want to run to Nutty. Always sniveling. Why can't you just post your endless posts and posts and posts and let me be.
You falsely accused another poster of stalking and you HAD To Apologise. Well leave Me alone as well. I didn't even stalk you and you won't leave me alone.
Who wants to identify when you are on a Witch Hunt. It is precisely the way you treat me as to why I don't want my name out there (actually I did an Unknown identifier and you didn't know (so it blows your concept you can tell one Unknown from another Unknown. I'm not leaving.
And I am handicapped so I can't type well due to partial paralysis. Sorry my hands don't type good enough for you. Please leave me alone, you are causing to feel very bad.
https://blindgossip.com/public-relations-chaos/
Me, I would rather live in Vancouver than Toronto.
Swamp Woman - Maybe it's not true then. Or possibly exaggerated? I didn't think about how it could be Markle's camp. She had a tough time with her last beau too.
I have my fingers crossed for her, anyway. Maybe she just wants to be happily ever after so badly that she isn't enforcing those giant boundaries that sound a klaxon warning with neon lights flashing DANGER DANGER DANGER DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING THERE that a lot of us have around us. Maybe she's so sweet that nobody is afraid of angering her.
She needs to up her crazy game.
BA did have a non stop London to Vancouver, about 9.5 hours. I didn’t check the other way
It's shade alright, but if you read the comments, they all refer to Rach, and he never shut it down, so that tells me he was referring to Rach. But what I don't get is why he'd do it. It would seem that silence would suffice, but this is directly indirectly dissing her, it was pointed and seemingly needless, and i cannot figure out why he'd do it. I mean, I can imagine why someone would loathe Rach and see through her. I can't imagine why he'd tweet it unless something went down. It may be nothing, and I may just be stir crazy (snowed in for two days and another to go lol), but it really seems like a clue.
No respect. Self-centred through and through. With all that taxpayers' money they spend on staff one would think that they would have a plan in place to contact and reassure every patronage.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-beams-pops-tea-21282518
Building her brand as a feminist (and of course she called the paps).
I think they he and Serena felt used around that US Open visit. Her behaviour in the stands, especially with him, was cringe.
You're kind of our resident expert on some of these things, so IDK why you'd be writing too much, and I don't think there are any limits.
So, does a person with an addictive personality become more susceptible to the love drug than a person without an addiction? Or is it different? It occurred to me that this may be an issue and you might have had training in this.
I have some hope as I can't imagine Edo pulling a stunt like that on the world stage and to the Royal Family no less. And just after being allowed to attend their Christmas festivities - which we know is a big deal for un-marrieds. I had assumed they were a sure thing.
I noticed a while back that his ex started showing up in the tabs - I only glanced at the headline but I remember thinking the ex was trying to get attention. I think she was in a skimpy outfit - maybe working out. Perhaps she is having regrets and wants him back? I know I would not like my fiance getting his hair cut by his ex.
(Boy, if MM thought the headlines were bad before megxit she better look out for what's coming now!)
https://www.the-sun.com/news/256680/scheming-meghan-markle-was-behind-devastating-smear-campaign-against-her-frail-dad-bombshell-court-papers-claim/
The visit to the women's centre was not official. Why was she there and why did she need to publicise it? She needs to be seen, and she needs to build credentials for the foundation to bring in the donations (has to be seen supporting women's empowerment to get big donations, of which she only needs to use 5% for the issue and the rest can be used to cover her 'expenses').
She is not even waiting for the deal from the family: full-steam ahead on her agenda, her way.
I have a quite candid question about Doria. If she was put in jail for years, why there is no former fellow-inmate who would remind of her?
I don't see how Harry (mental health issue, possible addictions) could ask for a license pilot...
You're right, Magatha, if she can hurt others, all the better for her twisted ego, and I guess that's what I don't begin to understand. If everyone is lavishing attention on her 23 out of 24 hours, all she sees is the hour she didn't get, and she tries to tear the attention back to herself still. It's just maddening, and she's going to do whatever she has to do, tear down Kate, drag William, toss Harry, ruin everything, just so she can get that extra little bit. Enough bad things cannot happen to her. I guess that the only good news about any of this is that she was all by herself. No celebrity A-listers cheering her on. No Bey & Jay dropping off homemade muffins Chez Rach. And does she even care that Harry is not there? He's busy dealing with his family while she just takes the money and runs.
*I'd call her Cockrach, but that sounds too close to the vulgarity that she is, and is too reminiscent of her former life.
Meghan felt ostracised? No, Meghan cannot tolerate a situation where she is not in control, and not getting adulation and attention all the time. (There's a Queen more important than me? But I am here to modernise her. There is a brother and sister-in-law who are more important than me? But I know everything and it must be done my way ...)
Bad blood in the family? Toxic? Smearing the very family that have bankrolled your extravagant lifestyle and who you are now demanding still cough up for you while you go off and do exactly what you like? By the way, that is really rich coming from someone who has ghosted her entire family (except her mother who is useful to back up her cries of racism). There are plenty of current photos (and many photos from the past) of this toxic family getting together, not only for formal occasions but also for informal ones, and enjoying each other's company. Strange Meghan that there is not one photo of you and Harry with your family you never had unless you were forced to interact at formal occasions. Oh, yes, there was that day at the polo when there was no interaction between you and Kate and her children. You are the one who has created bad blood between Harry and his family; you are the one who is toxic. (By the way, folks, is projection one of the classic traits of a narcissist? I personally have experienced that but am not sure if that is coincidence or expected.)
Royalty has always been a target for criticism and ridicule. Before the modern media, cartoons were the favourite vehicle for this. And gosh, monarchs in those days used to be roasted. And then, some of them even had their heads chopped off. Meghan and Harry are like spoilt self-centred children who are told not to do something, throw a tantrum, do it anyway, and then throw another tantrum when they get hurt.
I think there are some members of the family who will find it very difficult to forgive Harry for this, his grandfather being one (and he may not live long enough to allow for forgiveness anyway).
Clearly, Rach is not going to follow any rule, show any respect, honor any agreement, act with goodwill, no decency at all. She just took the money and ran. I hope they burn her down because she will ruin everything that she can.
Yes, she does look pregnant. Infact im pretty certain that this was done to stir up pregnancy rumours. That would be a sureshot way , in her mind, to deflect from this shitshow. She wil fan these rumours till she is waddling in uggs at 8 months, she will keep the speculation rife this time around till the very end.(for privacy, obviously)
ANother reason i think this could be true is because the rumours were swirling throughout this 6 week break that its family planning time for the couple, that she is frantically trying. they kept it up till Scoobie denied them just a week or so before they were slated to return. and we know, that poor scobie is almost always never speaking the truth (or they purposely feed him lies). If he has categorically stated this, then all the more reason the the truth is the exact opposite of it.
As to the Stockholm blind, yep, this is exactly something I’ve seen in action. How did it end with my brother, it didn’t until she walked away for a richer man........and he still wouldn’t bad mouth her for years! So I’m not expecting Harry back in the fold until she walks away and even then I think he’ll defend her. It’s a really, really difficult situation and no matter how many deep talks, it’s like it just doesn’t register. Oh well, it’s a waiting game and so, so sad.
She is still building her fake-humanitarian brand, Harry be damned.
It appears that still nobody has looked at the links I gave. I didn't want to have to spell it out but here it is, from memory. Please check it out yourself:
The sources quoted in the relevant video look OK - one source at least does look like a legit police/court doc that somebody has been sufficiently motivated to pay for.
Apparently, Doria called emergency services on finding her father lying with head injuries on the boardwalk outside his house, with feet/ankles entangled in the dog lead. Am not sure whether he was DOA or shortly afterwards. Doria inherited his house.
The autopsy seemed, however, to suggest that the injuries weren't entirely consistent with the account given by Doria but there seemed to be no real reason to doubt what she had said.
Nevertheless, the authorities did what is usual when something doesn't seem quite right in these cases - they looked at the Will of the deceased and who was set to benefit from the death.
The house should have been inherited jointly by Doria and her brother, not solely by Doria. Moreover, the brother seemed to be unaware that he should have benefited.
The police were proceeding with caution - they were not sure how brother would react if he found out what had happen.
The investigation was shelved/dropped in 2017.
Make of this what you will. All I can say is that I couldn't see any obvious flaws in what was presented.
Daily mail says her sweater is £1800
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7887419/Meghan-Markle-breaks-cover-time-leaving-UK.html