Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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Interesting as I also saw elsewhere last night accusations of bullying by William. It must be 'get William' time. Harry's (and Meghan's) mental health are really being pushed now, I guess as an effort to shore them up against the growing public backlash.
As I expect my comment to be removed by the DT, here it is, as I feel very strongly about it and don't want it to be lost. As the sugar was writing soap-style "this is family!", I opened by referring to the UK soap East Enders, full of OTT family scenes:
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This is not an East Enders "this is family!" moment. This is our royal family. Different standards are required in return for unimaginable privileges.
You are stressing the mental health aspect strongly. If Meghan has her way, Harry will be enveloped by a far more stressful environment in which he basically has to tout for business, regardless of whether the royal family continue to fund them or not. Meghan requires this, due to her expected standard of living which surpasses even that of the Windsors, and due to her personal ambition, which can only be successful if she can market her royal status or finds someone wealthier. We already have proof on film of Harry touting for Meghan, and most of us can hardly bear to watch it.
You write 'love from family is special!' Love from one's wife should be still more so.
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I think there will be a lot of motions that are unsaid but have meaning and things said which have multiple levels of meaning. How painful to watch or be a part of.
I remember a while back she (or one of her sock puppets) called William "controlling."
He'd better damn well be controlling, if he's going to be King. The Royal Family suffers from too little controlling these days, not too much.
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Does this look like bullying? Or being unwelcomed?
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a20060331/meghan-markle-prince-william-hug-kiss-anzac-service/
@abbyh (from last thread) - I think the supposed "bullying" is because Wills (and others) let Meghan know her place in the firm. And my guess is that Wills, and others, were not happy with Meghan's desire to cash out using the royal charities and titles.
Should be an interesting day.
Someone I know, who does not follow the royals, said this to me earlier tonight. This person is a male, as I am:
"Harry is not a victim. He knows exactly what he's doing, and he just wanted to elevate himself because he was always going to be a footnote to his brother."
This is my own feeling, as well. Has Meghan manipulated Harry and brought out the worst in him? I think yes. But Harry could stop this if he wanted to do so.
The royal family seems short on leadership at the moment, people who will make a stand for what is right and stop allowing things to become out of control. Prince Charles and Harry look lost on that front. This situation creates a power vacuum, one which can be easily exploited by someone like Meghan.
Here's hoping Wills can help make things right.
Thanks for this. I do wonder about that though because what I saw was put out there with no countering argument or context.
Maybe all that is needed is to get people talking about it and they will leap to William's defence naturally.
This is getting like the Medicis. Writing or talking about this situation now feels like climbing into a snakepit.
Re: William is the bully comment
one of the comments I read was something along the lines of people making threats about how they will be given what they want or else they will do Y are the bullies not the victims of bullies.
As a side note, when you see someone whom you know to be be deceitful suddenly drape themselves with some banner pf acts of goodness which seems totally opposite of everything they have previously demonstrated, look out as they have not change spots but have mixed some lie in with truth to make it more believable. (like pointing out people they feel act like bullies)
The video of Harry apparently pitching Disney head Bob Iger on Meghan doing voice overs at the Lion King premiere is being taken down for copyright reasons. What that says to me is that Team Markle is trying to hide the footage, as they know it makes both of the Harkles look like cheap hucksters.
Did the Harkles ask the royal family about the endeavor ahead of time? Definitely a sign of where things were headed, and where the Harkles' minds were, long before the present moment.
Team Markle has put out that the Queen's desk of photographs in her holiday message, I think it was, was the "last straw" for them. Something along those lines.
Again, this shows that the Harkles don't want to accept their roles in the firm. The photos on the desk were of, I think, past and future monarchs. And only of monarchs. Charles, William, George and so on. The Harkles don't fit in that profile, and so should not have been included in the photo arrangement.
But their supposed annoyance at not being included tells you everything. They want things their way, regardless of their actual position in the family and regardless of any other considerations.
These words describe real things suffered by real people, but are becoming mere irritations to the general public when ludicrously applied to H&M, or used by them. This is a slippery slope.
As you noted, H&M's complaints about that show better than anything how they wilfully misunderstand history. Reality. How they are driven by misplaced ambition. The same with accusations about William being 'controlling'. What do they think a monarchy is? How on earth can it operate if their members act unilaterally as they have done and are doing? Look at the chaos they are causing. Dominating the news agenda, exhausting key royal staff, taking vital governmental time from cabinet and the civil service. Days away from Brexit.
I'd be happy to do this, and just had a quick look through Blogger settings, but I couldn't find the spot to make the change. Any tips?
Someone overnight seemed to think it was appropriate to attack Elle and her comments.
You are welcome to respectfully disagree with her, but your aggressive behavior is out of place, and says more about you than it does about Elle.
Great points. Yes, Diana's presence still does loom large, if perhaps not in the best ways.
We are in utter chaos now. That the Harkles feel they have a leg to stand on in this public battle shows just how ambitious and cynical they are.
As much as Team Harkle will try to control the message, truth will continue to seep out in bits. The Bob Iger (my wife is good at voice overs) video and the complaints about the photos for the Queen's Christmas message just two examples.
I forgot about Brexit (supposed to take place on Jan 31). Very much proves the truth of what you said.
@Portcitygirl
I would believe Meghan saying she does not want to live in the USA under the current president. Why would she? Trump has no use for her and won't indulge her delusions of grandeur. Another president might. Trudeau very well may do so.
The president has been relatively tame in his comments about Meghan. However, when asked about Megxit recently he said he thought it was bad, and unfair to the Queen.
Meghan can't run her game on Trump's watch, I think. And she knows it.
Having an open blog is a great thing in the sense we get so many good contributors from a wide range of backgrounds with very useful points of view. I learn so much from the comments.
The negative side of openness, of course, is that a very few people misuse it. CDAN and LipstickAlley have had similar problems, unfortunately, although LSA has a more robust moderation system than Blogger allows.
Prince Harry in turmoil over cutting his royal links
Meghan is determined to step away, says source
The Duchess of Sussex is determined to step away from the royal family but Prince Harry would be “heartbroken” if he had to sever links altogether, a source close to the couple has said.
The Queen is holding urgent talks at Sandringham today to decide the couple’s future after they announced a desire to step back from their roles as senior royals.
An insider has told The Times that the pair both feel “tethered” by their responsibilities. The source added that the couple regarded themselves as having been pushed away by what they saw as a bullying attitude from the Duke of Cambridge. These claims have been strongly contested by sources close to the Cambridges, as well as some close to Prince Harry.
“She wants to leave,” the source said of the duchess. “She thinks, ‘It’s not working for me.’
“He is under intense pressure to choose. It is sad. He loves the Queen. He loves this country. He loves all his military stuff. I think it will genuinely break his heart to leave. I don’t think that’s what he really wants. I think they want some halfway house.”
The Queen and other members of the royal family were said to be hurt and disappointed by the couple’s announcement last week that they wished to scale back their royal work and divide their time between Britain and North America. They said that they no longer wanted to receive taxpayer money and aimed to become financially independent.
The Queen has called the Prince of Wales, Prince William and Prince Harry to the talks and has made it known that the Sussexes’ future should be settled within days, not weeks.
Meghan is expected to join the discussion over the phone from Canada. Her determination to leave was underlined at the end of last week when it was revealed that after only a few days back in England at the end of their six-week sabbatical she had already flown back to Canada.
Senior royal officials, including private secretaries, press advisers and Sir Michael Stevens, who as keeper of the privy purse is in charge of royal finances, have spent two days locked in talks to work out various solutions to be put to the royal family.
The alternatives will cover central issues such as how much work the couple will carry out for the royal family and where they will live.
The Sussexes want to divide their time between Britain and Canada but their place of residence will have significant tax repercussions. Also on the table is Frogmore Cottage, the house in Windsor that was controversially renovated for at least £2.4 million at taxpayers’ expense. The couple are said to be prepared to give that up, although it is possible that they will remain there but pay a commercial rent.
The question of how much royal work they carry out may have an impact on the extent to which the Prince of Wales continues to fund them with the money he receives from the Duchy of Cornwall.
Security for the pair will also be addressed. It is thought unlikely that their entire security bill for time spent in Canada would be picked up by the taxpayer.
The couple want to become financially independent but the Queen will seek to ensure that their commercial enterprises do not damage the standing of the royal family.
I’m in the U.K. and have been watching Sky news since 6am this morning and reading the headlines!
I know this will make me unpopular, but I would prefer the negotiations to be made in such a way that Harry cracks big time, makes calls to Meghan and she goes ballistic. This would mean no agreement, but give a clear direction to move forward (which is what the RF state they want by the end of the day) and that is you cannot negotiate with unstable people, who put up whack job demands looking like a ransom note on a public forum.
Williams's Times article stated he’d done all he could to be there for Harry, but he now had to step away. Their counter attack, or the response RF release, was William is a bully. Get all accusations/responses out and drain their power.
Anyway, it would buy them time, they could state that they have a way forward, even if they don’t, but they need to take the power lead. What can H & M do? Keep whinging they’ll call Oprah? Also, how far will American media go to slag off the BRF and HMTG? It’s putting the onus on Oprah to pick a side. Would she really want to blow her chances of having holidays to the U.K. and having any further BRF interaction because she wants to hear H & M’s pain? The British public won’t see it as a scoop for Oprah, we’ll remember her part in it for sure, likewise with other interviewers.
The important news this morning is Harry is torn, does this mean he will capitulate and toe the line and force Meghan to ask for a separation? It’s just my opinion, but saying he’s torn doesn’t garner sympathy for him, it just makes him look like a horse that’s bolted before opening the stable door! Or really a petulant child that needs to sit on the naughty step on a time out.
Anyway, foreign body Megs is already gone by decamping to another continent. What we see is her final Royal Scam, to try to incentivize robot Harry (via remote control) to get them Royal stamp of approval for their Sussex merching schemes and continued flow of that mad money from Cornwall.
Think in terms of "House of Games". Where her first mark was Harry, then Charles to walk her down the aisle and fund (thanks ye in Cornwall!) her half million plus in couture. Now her mark is the Queen and the British Royal Family.
In my dream scenario The Queen would present Harry with two options, leave the family behind and everything that goes with it or he stays and divorces Meg. Before he makes a decision William sits before him with the MI6 dossier on Meg and reveals all her dirty secrets.
Harry goes to Canada (With a chaperone) retrieves the Archie doll, and tells Meg it's over. She has the ultimate freakout because how dare her plan not work.
*Sigh* we can only hope it's half as good though. At this point I'm not sure what to expect.
I enjoy Elle’s comments too, she’s also very witty, please don’t leave. :o)
Princes ‘fell out because William wasn’t friendly towards Meghan’
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex regard themselves as having been pushed away from the royal family by the “bullying” attitude of his brother the Duke of Cambridge, The Times understands.
In an analysis that is contested by sources close to Prince William and others close to Prince Harry, the Sussexes want to step away from their royal role after two years of “constantly being told their place”, according to a source that knows the couple well.
The rift is said to date to before Harry and Meghan’s wedding. According to repeated reports, Harry felt that William was insufficiently welcoming towards Meghan when they first started dating. Their relationship has apparently not recovered.
However, the controversial new claim is how much that falling out has played a part in Harry and Meghan’s decision to forge themselves a “progressive new role” and divide their time between Britain and North America.
Palace aides, while acknowledging that the brothers have fallen out, insist in the strongest terms that William has not forced Harry out. One said that the couple’s unhappiness was caused by the way the Palace machine made them feel constrained. “They feel tethered,” said one who knows them well.
The new claim is that the Cambridges’ attitude was coloured in part by the competitive nature of William’s relationship with his younger brother. “From the start their response was not very clever, not very friendly,” said the source. “They of course would have a different version. Quite early on they decided, right, ‘We are going to tell these people their place and we are going to push them away .’ ”
After the couple gave their interview to ITV’s Tom Bradby during their tour of South Africa, in which they gave their first public indication of how unhappy they were, any hope that their honesty would help clear the air was soon dispelled.
While many people sympathised with them, particularly the young and those more in tune with Meghan’s values relating to her racial identity and feminist views, others disapproved. The public criticism, which was taken up by large sections of the media, helped to push them towards their decision to reshape their life. The source said: “If you are Meghan and Harry and you have had two years of constantly being told your place, constantly bullied as they would see it, constantly being told what you can’t do, Meghan has been thinking, ‘This is just nuts. Why would anyone put up with this?’”
However, the source added: “I don’t think they want to turn their back on the family and this country, and definitely not the Queen. I think that would genuinely break Harry’s heart.”
This version of events was vehemently denied by royal insiders, who are anxious to prevent the sort of Palace wars that characterised the disintegration of Charles and Diana’s marriage.
Aides have been at pains to point out how “upset” William is at the current state of affairs. He was quoted in The Sunday Timesas saying: “I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives and I can’t do that any more; we’re separate entities.
“I’m sad about that. All we can do, and all I can do, is try and support them and hope that the time comes when we’re all singing from the same page. I want everyone to play on the team.”
A source close to the Sussexes said that while they felt frustrated within the institution, no blame was directed at any member of the family. “For them, it is not a case of ‘William has done this to us,’ or ‘my father has done this to us’.”
Another source said: “William is certainly not trying to force them out. We are trying to find answers here.”
* They would likely get a deal good enough financially so as to keep them quiet at least for a while. So shuttling time between Canada and UK is likely to happen.
* It's clear that it MM who is the more unsatisfied party. PH still wants to consider his family duty granny etc (as per recent articles). I think, MM would step back completely from her royal duties and as a compromise PH would continue to keep some of his old portfolio - anything that requires wearing a uniform, invictus, polo charities. He would dedicate the second half/quieter half of the year to doing some high profile private endeavours like apple documentary, aids conference, Africa work, foundation galas etc.
* Archie would live in Canada full time as would MM. This serves the purpose of being the ultimate ace up her sleeve but would be disguised as giving him some stability and that she is amongst her friends who also have kids. (That's a flimsy excuse I know, but it's an excuse nonetheless).
* Mm would be free to make endorsement deals (which may/may not be publicised). Harry would do royal duties and any allowance they get would be in his name.
This is just my speculation for now.
I concur! Your whole comment I couldn’t have said or typed it better myself!
IMO "...'Bullying', 'controlling', 'toxic', 'racist', 'sexist' are applied to every little slight, and now we're all so desensitized (or overly sensitived?) to those labels that this cry-wolf behavior has minimized the real problems that do exist in those areas.
One Nutty said that Rach is the most racist of all, and I totally agree. She has used her color only when it helped her and hidden it the rest of the time, and the way she trowels on the face paint, she should be accused of wearing black face (I'm skipping the obvious Trudeau jokes here lol). And for me to feel this way, living on the WC and being very middle of the road, is unusual, but I have far more liberal friends who were cheering Ricky Gervais and are equally over this kind of stuff.
That is why I think the BRF are smart to draw this out, let people see the truth about how Rach & H are tethered and want the taxpayers to support them to merch so that they can live, not just exist - that is not going to fly long term (no private jet pun intended). Let people get good and angry, and let H have some time to come to any senses he has left. And then offer to let them merch under Dumbarton Royal. Of course, I don't think Sussex Royal is that much better. It sounds like something the Most Interesting Man in the World would advertise. And I admit, I have a little fun thinking of the products they'll have. I can't be the only person who wants to see Rach endorsing the Sussex Condom, for example.
No agreement is best. Leave the Sussex duo dangling about when titles and Cornwall cash get cut off. All dependant upon their behavior of course! Going forward of course!
Thank you, Charade I to try to stay on topic, but I guess one curse of being an "N" in the MBTI world is that the topics do relate to those of us who've connected those specific dots in some bizarre fashion. I have learned so much from the fellow Nuttiers, and I can't imagine spending "Hell Unleashed Week" anywhere else.
She is calling William a bully because he is the only man who didn't fall for her little innocent giggling shy girl act. She can't push William around like she is used to do with all the STUPID people who falls for her manipulating personality. And now she is trying to make William look bad as a revenge.
You should all be proud of William.
I found this info on mixed traits psychopathy to be very interesting!
The Dark Triad
In psychology, the dark triad refers to the personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. They are called "dark" because of their malevolent qualities.
Research on the dark triad is used in applied psychology, especially within the fields of law enforcement, clinical psychology, and business management. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress and create severe problems for an organization, especially if they are in leadership positions (for more information, see psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism in the workplace). They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.
All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest.
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits and remorselessness.
I believe MM's behavior has demonstrated she she feels entitled to what she wants without regards to protocol. We have seen her gate-crashing events. When the Sussex duo were not included in the desk photos, she saw red instead of understanding the protocol. In my opinion this is why she is so vicious towards Kate.
Signs from the BRF camp are that this WILL be drawn out despite today's deadline. Necessarily so due to the complexity. All the issues Meghan hasn't bothered to consider. Part of her inattention to detail that dooms her future endeavours to failure. Today is to set the 'direction of travel'. Hopefully as far a way from the rest of the BRF as possible. And us.
And @Raspberry Ruffle, thank you, but I don't want to go anywhere. I just would've quit posting if Nutty had wanted me to since it is her blog. My question to her is on the last post.
@Camper, anything that allows the BRF to show that they tried and it was the Dumbartons who blew it up will be okay, I think. And even better if it involves Rach "going ballistic" (can I watch? please, can i watch!) but regardless, it would, as you say, "give a clear direction to move forward (which is what the RF state they want by the end of the day) and that is you cannot negotiate with unstable people, who put up whack job demands looking like a ransom note on a public forum."
I guess I'm just not empathetic enough, but two people who presumably have a net worth of $35 million between them seem financially independent enough to go off on their own without dad's and the taxpayer's money, but apparently not. I think that if that information comes out to the GP, it will go a long way towards supporting any outcome, up to and including whatever "they're cotton-headed ninny-muggins" accusations Rach wants to fling their way. (Their net worth here: https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-harry-net-worth-2018-4)
Apropos of almost nothing: we were supposed to get a light snow tonight. About 4 inches has now fallen in the last few hours- the thick, wet stuff - and I can hear trees/limbs cracking and breaking outside. Big ones. I wonder if this unexpected storm is an omen of how today's meeting will go?
@Elle - when I'm having the odd cheeky scroll through, I always stop at your name to see what you have written. Very much enjoy your input.
and wanting the BRF out of the way in order to control Britain more easily. Another commenter brought up HRC's visit to Archie many months back may not have been just a social call. Quite frankly, I can't believe the dm moderators are allowing them through. I hope it's ok to mention this here.
https://support.pipdig.co/articles/blogger-how-to-change-the-number-of-posts-displayed/
I hope this is helpful. Thank you.
p/s ` If it's still not changeable, it's ok. :)
I came across a section in a book I was reading last night (KJ Parker, The Proof House), and I couldn't help reading the part of the prefect in the voice of Charles in my head lol
'A tragedy,' sighed the prefect of Ap' Escatoy. 'A tragic, wretched waste. And so futile, too'
The chief administrator nodded sadly. 'It is rather heartbreaking,' he said, wiping honey from his fingertips with a damp cloth. 'And, as you say, they've achieved nothing by it. If anything, they've made matters worse for themselves.'
'Undoubtedly,' the prefect said. 'But I'm afraid they've forfeited my sympathy, given what they've done. I know, vindictiveness is an ugly emotion, but on this occasion I'm going to allow myself that luxury. They will be made to pay for what they've done.'
'Figuratively speaking, of course.'
The prefect smiled grimly. 'Unfortunately,' he said.
Also, heading into tinfoil hat territory somewhat, does anyone remember Camilla Cabello's song Liar from last autumn? I'd forgotten about it until last night. I remember having a bit of a giggle in passing at her vague resemblance and some of the details (William Kensington?) and at certain scenes at the time (the police car always cracks me up), but now I've re-watched it some of it is weirdly spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsDZix4ZSlU
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879471/Deeply-Hurt-Queen-gathers-Royals-Megxit-crisis-summit.html
Her Majesty is said to want guarantees that Harry and Meghan's business empire built around their Sussex title doesn't damage the royal family. William and Charles are expected to reject the couple's demands for taxpayer-funded police bodyguards while in the UK and reportedly unhappy about the environmental impact of criss-crossing the Atlantic to carry out royal duties in Britain...
The monarch is under more pressure to find a way forward because the Sussexes could give a tell-all interview to their friend Oprah Winfrey and 'sound off' about the royal family's 'racism and sexism' if they do not get their way at Sandringham, palace aides fear...
Senior royals are gravely disappointed by Harry's decision to pull the plug on his position 'without a thought' for William and his family, insiders revealed...
The 35-year-old is said to be so caught up in his own misery he hasn't considered the fall-out for the brother he was once inseparable from – and his little niece and nephews...
And if all that weren't enough to displease Her Maj, this is sure to do it!
Unless it is very windy or cold she likes to take Vulcan and Candy, her two dorgis — a cross between the corgi and dachshund breed — for a daily walk. There is unlikely to be time for that walk today.
Rach & H have really gone and done it now. One does not mess with the dorgis!
@BlueBell, thank you for your posts from behind the Times paywall. I realize you asked me a question late yesterday evening, and I will respond to it when I have a bit of time today.
I can't be the only person who wants to see Rach endorsing the Sussex Condom, for example.
Like on that one. Just as a very average example Megs could flog Sussex Royal branded juicers and Vita-Mix level blenders. Very popular and very commented on items on Amazon USA. The manufacturers give the Gruesome Twosome $10 on each which allows them to mark up the price by $20. Many of Megs young sugars love these machines because they are only capable of digesting soft foods like smoothies and juices. IE baby foods.
Every time I see this (or the heirs photo) used as their excuse for the meltdown I can't help laughing because it just makes them look pathetic. I couldn't believe that it was being used by the Markle team as a legitimate justification - do they honestly have no idea how the majority of logical thinking people are seeing it? If I was them I'd have stuck with the "about to be scooped by a tabloid" narrative, it's at least a little more understandable than "someone didn't include my photo on a desk" or "someone took a photo of the legitimate heirs".
In the meantime,Duchy tenants aren't confined to Cornwall & Scilly; there are plenty in Devon, Dorset, S.London (Kennington incl. the Oval) Herefordshire & up into Yorkshire, many of them hard-working farmers who, I bet, would probably be only too glad to sink that American in the nearest slurry pit, given half a chance, at least as far as her knobbly knees. It's a great pity nobody took her at her word when she claimed to be a competent rider - being snapped sitting on a horse, with a Western saddle, as a kid doesn't count. They'd have soon found that claims and reality didn't match.
If you don't hear from me, I'm either trying to get on with everyday life or lying down in a darkened room.
It's just so obvious she has orchestrated this whole affair and is emotionally destroying Harry. Unless they are afraid Harry will hurt himself, I don't understand why they would let a psychotic twit threaten a monarchy.
Matt uses as much profanity as one might expect from a working-class bloke who's actually worn the uniform, so sensitive souls beware.
Why is Meghan Markle being criticized as a narcissist and a gold digger?"
Bingo - the full Dark Triad!!!
And while she's at it she can drop some of that Markle dirt into the US tabs.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Meghan-Markle-being-criticized-as-a-narcissist-and-gold-digger/answer/Matt-Taylor-31?ch=10&share=a3b935cb&srid=XCsJ
Loved it. Made me feel much better, as if he's siphoned off all my anger.
Now it'll start building again ... :-/
What a day - and it's not quite 10am here in the UK.
Yes! I agree, the word racist should be reserved for the most vile people but it get bandied about recklessly and is very quickly losing its gravitas. I have a friend that likes to say that "if everyone is a racist than no one is". Does anyone remember when the word "bitch" was actually an insult? Now its just another placeholder for the word "dude".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7880749/Piers-Morgan-calls-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-spoiled-brats.html
The comments are 99% for pushing back on such accusations. I do hope someone at Sandringham is reading the public's reaction, so their deliberations are not affected by such fears. People see through this stuff peddled by the Sussex's and their defenders. No worries there.
One of the Army's most senior former officers urged the Duke of Sussex to "put Queen and country first", as a former officer in the Royal Marines, of which the Duke is Captain General, said he would not raise a toast to him.
The retired military chief urged the 35-year-old Duke to honour his pledge of allegiance to the Queen, while a decorated war hero described his decision to stand down from the Royal family as "disgusting".
James Glancy, a former captain in the Special Boat Service, said he and many military colleagues would not raise a toast to the Duke if he tried to earn money from his royal position with commercial ventures.
His criticism came as a highly decorated Army figure told The Daily Telegraph: "Prince Harry has every right to want to balance his responsibilities between the Royal family and his wife and young family. But first and foremost Harry was a commissioned officer who pledged allegiance to the Queen and the Queen is his grandmother, so when push comes to shove, Queen and country come first."
[...] Insisting others in the Royal Marines and military were "very upset, if not disgusted by the disrespect to the Queen by not discussing this", Capt Glancy added: "Everybody agrees that if he wants to leave these positions ... he's absolutely entitled to have another life, and he's entitled to live overseas. But you can't do this half and half. You're either in or out.
"If Harry goes down this route of semi-privatising his role I wouldn't raise a toast to him as he wouldn't have my respect."
[...] "We all thought Harry really understood what life is like for veterans and their families, as if he was one of us and by our side - but he's shattered that impression now. It's like he's lost his spark, like he's not the same person."
Once upon a time, he'd have been left alone with a loaded revolver in front of him, told to do the honourable thing and not disgrace the regiment.
That was then, this is now and, like Gt.Gt Uncle David, he'd only have to threaten to blow his brains out...
Great comments! I always look forward to seeing what you have to say.
My fiance, who is not into all this, made a great comment which cuts through a lot of the detail r.e. MM and her personality actions.
The idea is simple-imagine that this is just a normal family, strip away the titles, the PR, the wealth and privilege etc.
Look at her past. Look at how she has acted towards her friends and her own family. Look at what she has done in such a short amount of time to this new family. It tells you all you need to know.
I think this is a very effective argument if you come up against defenders of MM because when you strip things back there's a sad truth that she is completely toxic.
I have had this in my own life when I realised this about a friend and started referring to her as a social hand grenade. Throw her into a group of friends and then watch it go boom.
As for the meeting today I have no idea what to expect.
I still stand by my point that the political aspect of taking political stances is being totally ignored. And this was furthered by the overnight news that MM will not live in the US unless Trump is out of power. The RF HAVE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL. I don't have confidence in the RF as they haven't dealt with anything like this before and are used to people toeing the unspoken line. I feel our faith in them to act with long term strategic planing and wisdom might be a bit optimistic.
If it was up to me then I would say that their demands are regrettably impossible, citing history and tradition regarding why it was this way regarding merchandising, taking political stances etc, and that would be that. I would then touch upon the fact that HArry has massive personal wealth (30-40 million) and would continue to receive help from his father, but in no way would be allowed to trade on his royal name.
Won't happen will it:)
On a separate note, her friend Jessica was pictured heading to the gym in full trout pout. Apparently, Jess has been busy doing her own bit for charity (read this in the DM comments) and has been providing shoe boxes for the homeless. Said shoeboxes contain...make up. Make up for the homeless, not shoes, make up...
The Royal family gather at Sandringham for their crisis summit today and the first thing the Queen should do is give Prince Harry a clip round the ear.
You’re never too old for one of those.
It might seem counterintuitive, but the monarchy survives by appearing modest and the Windsors figured out long-ago that they reign not by the grace of God but the good will of the people – so going all “progressive”, cashing in and running off to Canada (“But I get to keep Frogmore Cottage, right?”) is not the behaviour of a 21st‑century royal.
“Who do you think you are, young man? A Kennedy?”
This morning I am feeling a bit more positive about the summit this afternoon, for a number of reasons:
- Harry seems to be having second thoughts. A lot of articles out there saying Meghan is the one who wants out and Harry is torn between his granny, his duty to his country and his obligations to the military on the one hand, and his wife and child on the other. This gives me hope that he might reconsider, especially after facing his granny and perhaps his still formidable grandfather today.
- Apparently the meeting will only last for about three hours. It starts around 2 PM after lunch, and it must be finished before the Queen takes her tea at 5 PM. Considering all the people who will be present at this meeting, including everyone's personal secretaries who will all want a say, there is no way any decisions can be made this afternoon, unless they were already made earlier and this is all for show.
- Several articles this morning stating that working out all the details will take months. This also seems positive to me, because Meghan is the one who seems vert impatient to start merching her yak wigs and eyelash glue a.s.a.p., not to mention signing lucrative voiceover contracts. The longer she has to delay this, the better, as she will surely have some kind of meltdown / temper tantrum in the meantime. Also, the longer the Markles are kept in lingo, the longer Harry has to think about what his actions mean to his grandparents, his father, his brother and the monarchy. Hopefully he will feel some remorse or his marriage will have imploded by then.
This situation has escalated because the queen delegated the mess to Charles. He in turn asked Harry to come back with a more detailed plan. Harry had had thirtysome years and limited resources to develop a detailed plan for his life. He has been unable to accomplish this until MM came into his life with her sketchy schemes. Charles should have assigned a team to work with Harry IN PRIVATE to make a plan instead of sending them away to scheme on their own. I find it hard to believe that no one on their security detail or staff reports back to the royal family on the Sussexes.
The royal family needs to take clear steps today. They can't tolerate insubordination.
You’re right. Interesting Arthur Edwards pontificates in the DM that if faced with his Grandmother telling him he can not resign his role as senior royal he will acquiesce straight away, as he cannot argue with her to her face! Can you imagine telling your 93 year old grandmother HMTQ stuff this I’m off?
His whole life he’s been military mad, polo mad and loves Africa. I cannot fathom how he walks away from that either.
I don't disagree. But I think TQ has been expecting him to "deal with it" for a long time. For example, I was thinking this AM about reading Charles was the one to tell M it wasn't appropriate to wear a tiara in Fiji. https://people.com/royals/prince-charles-gave-meghan-markle-tiara-advice-fiji/
That story was reported in the best possible terms in the above link but really, why would it have even come up? Had she and Harry been storming the royal vault?
Unlike some writing here I like Charles. But one does wonder why he's been so indulgent. Remember the £90K beige caftan?
I wonder too if TQ expecting Charles to deal with his DIL isn't partly payback for TQ having to deal with Diana and the fallout of the divorce. And I wonder if it's possible payback for Charles urging TQ to placate both H&M long before this crisis---give them tours, give Harry made up title of Youth Ambassador to the Commonwealth, fund them at an absurd rate including M's over-the-top designer clothes, millions for high-priced staff starting with Sara Latham, etc. And for all we know, Charles is the one who initially urged approval of the marriage. He was certainly about the only member of the RF regularly smiling on camera that day in Windsor.
This seems very positive. Finally a united message from the brothers. Megs must be tearing out her extensions at this.
Also, Prince Philip was just driven away from Sandringham. He is not going to attend this meeting, which is probably just as well for his health.
I see William as a strong leader who knows his mind, much like his grandfather, PP
Moreover, he appears confident and highly capable. IMO. Hope to hear more soon.
Here is what Bradby said: “If you are Meghan and Harry and you have had two years of constantly being told your place, constantly bullied as they would see it, constantly being told what you can’t do, Meghan has been thinking, ‘This is just nuts. Why would anyone put up with this?’”
1. Harry has to remain in England in a royal property performing his royal duties until this is settled. Failure to do this will incur complete loss of titles and support.
2. If Harry threatens suicide ( preferably on tape or video so that wifey can't claim he is kidnapped) the family has him committed to a psychiatric facility for evaluation. ( This may give him protection for any illegal schemes hatched by MM)
3. The Sussex Royal website is closed/ blocked / shut down until the negotiations are complete. Any commercial contracts must be approved by the royal family as long as the duo are married.
4. All financial records on Sussex Royal, Travelyst, etc. must be reviewed by a royal team. Ms. Markles American taxes must also be audited. All outstanding fees must be paid. Any fees not covered by the Sussex foundation must be paid by Harry from his personal funds.
5. The titles given at their marriageDuke of Sussex, Dumbarton et. al. were given assuming the couple lived in England performing royal duties. Since Ms. Markle had abandoned her duties, she may no longer use the titles socially OR IN ANY BUSINESS CAPACITY.
6. Harry may continue to use his titles as his titles as long as he remains in England in negotiations with the family and performing his existing responsibilities.
7. Given Harry's history and recent behavior, discrete testing for drugs and alcohol will be taken by the family. If the tests show abuse, Harry is to be sent to rehab in England.
8. Speculation about Archie must end. It is damaging to the child and to the royal family. Now is the perfect time for the family to expose the truth. They must have DNA tests. They must know if a surrogate was used. They must have christening records. If the baby is a surrogate birth, has DNA other than H & M, if fertility treatments were used it are being used now is the time to clear the air. What is more important three people's privacy or the monarchy's survival? There is nothing wrong with surrogacy, ivf, etc. However, due to royal requirements " of the body" the truth must be known by the public.
8A. If the baby had both their DNA and was delivered by MM produce proof to end speculation.
8B. If the baby has other DNA and/ or was delivered by surrogate, adopted etc. Tell the truth. At this time, they can say due to privacy the couple didn't reveal their difficulty having a child. That is acceptable for civilians, but problematic for royals. This can lead to re-evaluating the " of the body" royal requirement for heirs. The royal family will need to face this sometime, why not now.
8C. As this group and others have observed, Archie's gestation and birth seem irregular. The royal family needs to stop the speculation.
To be continued....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-william-harry-issue-21270337
1. They are standing strong, together, in their commitment to mental health.
2. Outright convening falsehood in an article that perhaps came from the MM camp?
Early yet, but it doesn't bode well for Megsy.
Typing early in the am .... autocorrect is more awake than I am
She said: “I’m not in that category at all where I believe there’s racism at all. I think we live in a great country, a great society, full of opportunity, where people of any background can get on in life.”
Possibilities:
-How many pathologies? Narcissism, the dark triad, clinical depression and resulting vulnerabilities...
-The bandying about and resultant nullification of such strong accusations as racism, bullying, what else?
-Integrity/honesty in a digital world
-Permanent traces in a digital world
-Faux wokeness: feminism, diversity, etc
-Photoshop fails
-How to run a modern monarchy (William can write it later and still make it a love letter to his grandparents)
-...and so much else
I have read that “representatives of the Duke of Sussex” also deny the William-as-bully tale. Is that the first time we’ve seen a split in the Sussex denials?
I understand holding cards but it’s time for a larger drop to drip.
@Elle: Glad you’re here this morning!
Unless royals are doing something really illegal behind closed doors anything else is just not an issue. What's the big deal if the Queen hires people to cut her dog biscuits? What is somebody irons her dogs' collars? Just not an issue.
The Queen surely has means to stop spilling of the sensitive data, like something the halfwit may have overheard from her talks with Johnson. Why fear the two idiots exposing themselves to ridicule again.
The legal discussion raised in connection to the sussex situation. It expanded a bit beyond that which can happen when people are passionate about a topic.
That isn't a reason to insult posters or bother Nutty, in my opinion.
The complaining was annoying and possibly hurtful to the people involved in the discussion.
Freedom of speech extends to people speaking about things one disagrees with or that one is not interested in. However, one should try to respect the individual speaking.
We are getting new posters to welcome to the group. They may feel lost in the excitement.
Some long term posters feelings are being hurt, hopefully not on purpose. Grown ups hurling insults anonymously online is pathetic. I think we nutties are above that.
We should try to be more like Catherine and less like Meg ( and her nasty bots.)
Let's mind our manners and don't feed the trolls.
She cannot hold the baby hostage as she most likely thinks she can -- MI6 has a mighty long arm and vast resources.
I imagine people like the Obamas and Clooney's don't like racism just thrown around for effect and misused for sympathy. Like Smollett.
Sexism?
The Queen has ruled for 75 years and is in control, makes decisions without her husband. WTF is she talking about? If Charlotte were born first she would be in line after William.
She just did not like the rules, thought she was too popular to follow rules.
So many people, her friends and his must be appalled she is throwing all this away in such a tacky, inappropriate, public way. What does Anderson think? That she is a fool? She burned her bridges now with the Obamas but I still think Oprah is in this for a scoop not to be a friend at all
Oprah is not in the RF circle and would love a show on exposing racism in the RF.
She is a very evil person and I hope the RF can expose her. In some photos where she is looking directly at the camera she looks actually very scary in her eyes, I have to scroll quickly by it is so disturbing.
There is nothing fresh or nice about her, just selfish greed and hate for others. Ironically she believes the CA. BS of good vibes, good karma and energy thinking she just exudes it.
Harry and the RF are adults, my concern is for that possible baby who will know no other family, cousins, stable nannies. She would fire a nanny without a care in the world for how the baby would feel. Does she read him a bedtime story? Play with him? Give him a bath? I doubt it and it bothers me.
Which makes me wonder, did MM actually just up and leave and that's why she left H behind? Was the Sussex announcement on 8th a last ditch attempt to force H to do something when he/they didn't agree to her demands? Makes sense to leave the baby behind if that was the case.
In view of this latest "brothers United" statement does my earlier speculation made in a previous comment makes more sense. A separation now. MM in Canada being financially independent and H in UK being royal. A formal divorce announcement by the end of the year.
I think the threat of a tell-all interview is pretty weak. What reputable news person would want to pick a side in this battle? Anyone who gave H&M a platform would be seen as going against the BRF.
Sadly, I am all too familiar with cluster B personality disorders (child of a Borderline parent) and, regardless of what disorder Meghan may or may not have, she clearly is holding Harry emotionally hostage.
Yes Harry is an adult, however, he's been isolated and given a false narrative. And honestly, like the rest of us, he just wants to be loved and accepted.
I can imagine Harry coming to his family in the midst of a breakdown after last Wednesday's statement and admitting all the $h!t Woko Ono put him up to.
Also, I remember watching Doria cry during their wedding and thinking, "Those aren't tears of joy. Those are tears of fear for what's to come."
The entire situation is distressing.
Tom is the only one saying the royals are afraid of a tell all interview. I don’t think they are and I assume Meagain will give one with or without Harry.
I also think divorce is coming quickly.
I wouldn't think he'd attend the meeting but think that news is worrisome. It's been reported he has been staying in the main residence, not Wood Farm, since the story broke. It's also been reported he's pretty much bed-ridden. If he was just returning to WF, would he have been seen being "driven away from Sandringham?" I hope he's not headed back to the hospital.
I am in the divorce camp. They are separated and have been living separately for some time, IMO.
Look forward to checking in after work!
I agree that racism is not the issue today.
Meg seems to have conflicts about her own race. Comparing her childhood picture to her appearance on suits, she obviously had a nose job, straightened her hair, manipulated her skin tone. She also filled her race as Caucasian on job forms. It seems like she did this to get work. Hollywood can be racist.
Some people may think criticism of Meg's bronzer use, unkempt wigs/extensions, contrast between her bronzed face and lighter legs, butt pads, etc. is racist. I don't, but I am not black.
I think the black minister and Gospel choir at the wedding were a bit much. IMO, that would have only been appropriate if they were from MM's home church or denomination. I think the royal family, especially Charles, was trying to be accommodating. The well meaning gesture seemed out of touch.
It would be difficult being biracial. It must be especially for people whose parents divorce. Children can feel torn between two parents. When these parents are of different races, children may feel torn between two worlds.
Discussion about Meghan Markle may include discussion of race. That doesn't make the discussion racist.
As swampwoman said, I am tired of MM playing the race card.
Criticism of the behavior of a biracial person isn't necessarily racist.
Megsy blames the country where the Head of the Home Office comes from Ugandan-Indian family and Chancellor of the Exchequer is Pakistani. The Head of the State is the woman who changed centuries old tradition in order to put women at equal with men for succession of the throne. MM is ridiculous and her accusations are equally so.
Does she feel only Africans qualify as people of colour? Markle is disgusting and gets more so by the minute.
@Lizzie I just saw the photo of PP being driven away (is that his pal Penny in the car with him?) in the DM. He looks better than he did on release from the hospital on Christmas Eve, so I hope this is just part of an agreement that the Summit will comprise only the 3 principals and their private secretaries. My sincere hope is that PP got a good look at Harry and Harry a good look at his grandfather.
@Alice, Surrey James, yes, that scenario makes sense to me.
Megs still needs to be neutralized vis a vis her lies and previous occupations, and if there are “backers” as many assert, they must be exposed as well, no matter who they are. This needs to be used as a global reset button of sorts. We are all tired of backdoor power grabs and human objectification; IMO, in that sense, all of the sordid tales of our young century are linked. People need to be held accountable.
Now, I strongly dislike her and her party for many reasons which I won't go into here, but bravo to her for saying this out loud, given the stranglehold the wokerati have over public discourse in GB today.
I think the family will try and keep Harry away from her as long as possible to break her hold on him.
It's interesting that a lot of Royal Reporters have been saying over the weekend how he's changed over the last 2 years (and he didn't look like a man in love at the wedding).
I think they'll try and buy her off and if she doesn't play nice she'll be totally trashed.
What an amazingly stupid woman, she really could have had it all; as it is she is going to be too toxic to be associated with. Imagine, the woman who threatened the nonagenarian Queen - she's not going to be a Disney princess; very off brand.
9. While Harry is still in England, arrange a meeting/ party with his estranged/ ghosted friends and advisors. Encourage them to rekindle their relationships. Meghan has isolated Harry. He will need their support.
10. Keep Harry in England as long as possible while keeping a close eye on MM. There are rumours of her trying to start an affair. It would be typical for her to find her next victim before discarding her current victim aka husband. Leaking photos if her kissing/ hugging another man, leaving a hotel after being with another man, etc. could precipitate a divorce. Remember Fergie's toe kissing photo.
11. Get those tacky sex tapes mentioned in some gutter press and trending in Google. That will get people talking!
11A. Release MM on tape yelling at Harry or the staff. Show the emotional abuse she dishes out. Make her look like " a bully".
12. Prevent any royal foundation, especially Sussex Royal, from commiting fraud like Andrew did. Royal charities should not be the Arizona variety with ten percent going for charity, 90 percent to "expenses". Leave that model to the Clinton foundation and it's ilk.
10. If Harry (hopefully) is in England longer than expected, arrange for him to see Archie.
11. Form a custody agreement for Archie if there isn't one already in the prenup.
12. Form a policy for any fertilized eggs, sperm samples with Harry's DNA.
13. Encourage more tabloids to post pictures comparing baby Archie to the Darren doll, showing the rise and fall of the bump, etc. If there is any proof aka testimony of dressers/staff regarding the bump, a doll, etc. let it leak!
14. If Harry refuses to work with the family such as walking out of the negotiations, giving an unapproved interview, strip his titles and end all public ( and hopefully most if not all family) financial support.
15. Get a good divorce lawyer or team if lawyers ready if there is a separation/ divorce/ annulment. Wouldn't that be great!
Hope the queen has her head out of the sand and Charles has found his "stones" before the meeting. They need to take control.
That's right - a JOINT statement. When's the last time we've seen the brothers even make eye contact with one another? Now, maybe I'm reading too much into this but I wonder if we're seeing a thaw in the brothers' relationship? If so, Meghan, sitting waiting for the phone to ring in Vancouver, is doomed.
"Canadian friend is quite happy to pay for these 2 louts! Trudeau was used for Meghan to get close to Harry remember - the dinner promoting IG where Corey the chef cooked - so maybe he feels he owes her."
I'll believe it when I see the official statement from the Canadian govt.
Sorry that Prince Phillip is I'll, but glad he won't be at the meeting.
Concerned about Charles' heart too. His redness and swelling extremities could be a sign of health problems.
Here is the article.
Enjoying everyone's thoughts and posts here. (:
Wouldn't it be typical of Meg to try to start a Sussex House to rival SoHo?
Hope the Sussex Royal nonsense is addressed today.
It's still only a report though. No official statement. Not saying it isn't true, just that I'll need to see the actual statement from the Canadian govt before believing it.
Right now, I think the joint statement from the Brothers Wales is more significant.
A Dreyfus-type humiliation at the RM Commando Training Centre Lympstone, stripped of medals and uniform, sword broken, in front of all the silent squaddies, plus Joe Public trying to get a look from the top of passing busses. Then, in his smalls, having to do press-ups in the low-tide mud of the River Exe, watched by passengers on the train (yes, that's what they do, but not in their smalls!).
Then, to remind him of his mistake in choosing Disney over Deal, a ride around the Square tied onto a wooden Lion King on wheels, holding the tail (blindfolded as well?) finally being allowed to hitch a lift into Exeter, in hope of the TA Field Hospital at Wyvern Barracks being open.
He might then be considered duly shriven and restored to the bosom of his comrades.
The queen is allowing this joke three hours of her time. Her Majesty is not in the mood to play. This alacrity makes me increasingly convinced that Meg fled the country and has no baby. If Archie is real, then the family has him safe. Everyone in that room, including Harry most of all Knows she can be violent and vindictive when thwarted. If Archie were in Canada, I think retrieving him would’ve been first priority for his own safety. The fact that the baby has not been presented as a talking point in these negotiations is pretty suggestive. If the family knows full well that there is no Archie in the sense that Meg wants everyone to think, she should be afraid. If there were a baby at stake here, including where he would be raised, where he would go to school, what access his royal family would have to see him, and his general welfare, I think the negotiations would be open ended. Three hours seems amazingly brief to appease a woman potentially holding a royal heir for ransom. Three hours does seem like enough time to smash this delusional cash grab to smithereens though. So far the BRF has the advantage. I guess we’ll know in a few hours if Haz folded like a soufflé in the rain.
What happened to Nemo Me Impune Lacessit?
Agree entirely. The options open are becoming more and more academic as I don't believe it is possible for Meghan to fufil any further royal duties in the UK. Her ship has sailed. Therefore that leaves Harry to decide which way he'll jump.
I have friends who are Episcopalian. I have attended weddings, funerals, etc. All were very WASP affairs. However, at the time I was living in a very WASP area.
More recently, many friends left the Catholic Church for the Episcopalian church after the Catholic priest scandal.
I have seen black preachers like the one at the royal wedding at southern Baptist churches. It seemed natural in those congregations. The church music was great yoo. Most seemed like very close communities who cared for each other.
The wedding and reaction of the attendees was entertaining. As was the notion of Queen Elizabeth taking tea with Doria the yoga instructor with dreds. Both ladies seem interesting, wonder what they talked about?
Wonder what Doria thinks about the current mess?
The downvoters are rapidly decreasing.
So I am not sure which southern denomination you mean? I am Episcopalian and have lived my entire life in the South, and it’s a joyous, musical service with an increasingly diverse congregation (I’m glad of that), but it’s the same hymnal the C of E uses. And yes, I have yet to go inside a church, even Southern Baptist and particularly for a wedding, that did not feel like a loving community. I am just saying that the presiding bishop didn’t hop over to Windsor from a church in which a gospel choir regularly sings. He comes from a denomination that uses the Book of Common Prayer and sings the same hymns as the Queen.
I tend to think Doria feels appalled and cannot imagine how Meghan is her daughter. I am sure we all have so many questions for her.
I was a bit surprised to see Philip pointedly leaving the scene of the crime minutes before the meetings began. Either he’s so worked up with rage, there’s fears he’ll pop his clogs, or else he allowed himself to be publicly seen leaving as a message that “Lillibet got this; I’m off for a pint.” I think if the queen had privately expressed her need for his moral support, PP would have stayed in Wood Farm by the phone.
I was rather hoping for a grandson grandfather show down in which Harry got slapped up his stupid ginger noddy, But I’m sure it’s in the families interest that Harry not be coerced in any way. If a bowel vaporizing look by the Queen doesn’t count. I think her tactic might just be to glare at Harry While reiterating her disappointment. If he doesn’t fold after 3 hours of that he is stronger than I gave him credit for. Or else he really does have a death wish.
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Narcissist or more?
Bingo - the full Dark Triad!!!
Yes, she gave us our answer (not knowing which pathology she was demonstrating, how about all of them!) last night. I am so glad that you got to read it!
She may be able to fool some of the people here but most will see her for what she is. Has anyone gone to the Narc site. He has new posts explaining Meghan’s behavior, also indicating that currently Harry is in the devaluation process with Meghan. I also find it interesting that one aspect I don’t think Meghan took into consideration due to her personality is that she is treating the Royal Family exactly as she did her own family. She wasn’t able to control them so time to move on. However, the Queen, Harry’s Grandmother is known worldwide. For Meghan and Harry to blindside her and the rest of the family doesn’t sit well with a majority of people. Forget the fact that they are the Royal Family. She is Harry’s Grandmother. She deserves so much more then what she is getting. Any claims Meghan may make about her Father and family are now going to be compared to what she did to the Royal family. She leaves a trail behind her wherever she goes of discarded family and friends when they are of no more use to her.
I love that she doesn’t want to live here in the US while Trump is President. Is she a little nervous about getting into a Twitter war with Trump. He is a big fan of the Queen and thinks very highly of her. I am not a Trump fan but in this regard I totally agree with him. Respect your Grandparents, they’re all you’ve got, and I think the Queen did her best to make these two happy. I hope Harry wakes up soon and realizes that before it’s to late. As to William, I think he is fed up with his brother and his wife. I believe he will be the dominant force in this meeting. Gloves will come off, no reason to have to play nice anymore. I’m praying he brought his scarf to the meeting. Going to be a interesting week
that’s for sure.
If you think about it, if Archie were in Canada during all this, I'm not sure Harry would want to issue a joint statement with William? Too risky. Either that or the BRF knows (As we've known all along - Go Nutties!) Rachael has a price. A Parting "Princess"* Price, if you will. For X amount of $$$ she will surrender Harry and Archie.
I can imagine very early on Harry realized his tragic error. It's only lasted this long because part of him wanted to save face. Besides, that wedding was so expensive!
And now Charles is coming out and admitting he footed almost all of their bills.
Harry should check his mail. Her rings should be showing up on his doorstep soon.
*She's not really a princess. ;)
Could Serena's Grand Slam victory be a good omen? We need it.
Another stray thought about that latest photo of Harry and babe. We questioned who's the baby? We asked where was it taken? But did we ask when was it taken? That could answer the two previous questions and explain why Harry looked happier and healthier than usual.
But imagine what that would do to her all-important image - a mother who left her baby boy on another continent in return for cash. She's find it hard to pitch herself as a caring humanitarian if it were to be revealed that she sold out her own son.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/harry-meghan-megxit-21271220
I think Meghan will be glad to hand over Archie to Harry and the BRF - for a price. She does not have a maternal bone in her body and Archie will be a burden when she moves on to husband no. 4. The BRF will spin it as "We want Archie to have a traditional British upbringing." And Harry can eventually rehabilitate his image as a cool single dad.
Nutty has a job and family. She cannot stay here all day to police people. Let’s disagree without being disagreeable.
This is what renders me absolutely speechless: they just keep going and going and going, harder and harder and harder, thinking that they'll eventually win, but all they do is lose. More and more. It's shocking. It's like watching somebody banging his head against a wall, wondering why the wall isn't moving, and then banging harder and harder, faster and faster.
Are they seriously this removed from reality that the constant backlash isn't telling them that perhaps it might be THEM?
I know a narc in real life, she also has the same MO, she messes up and then goes in for more, over and over again, making everything worse. But she doesn't have public scrutiny.
It's remarkable and astounding to watch.
I know! I hope it doesn't end up being an anti-climax. For some reason I have a horrible feeling that all we will hear is something along the lines of, "negotiations are still taking places and hope to be finalised by the end of the week", or something like that.
Maybe certain negotiations have already taken place over the weekend, which is why there was a joint statement from William and Harry?
I think the real reason Prince Philip was visible driven off was to keep him from trying to get up and take a swing at Harry.
And, it allows the visual of this is how frail and much older/not in good health your great grandfather is Harry. He's not going to be around much longer. Have you thought about the funeral? Cuz kid, that's coming.
re racism: everyone keeps talking about it as it's only a black white thing but ... biracial can be white hispanic, hispanic black or asian pick your other.
I like Elle. I like Tatty. And the list goes on as too long to name everyone because surely I would miss someone. When I see a lot of confrontational comments, I think: Oh, is someone from Meg's camp trying to be the fox in the hen house? And then I move on. Why they have a need to try to have a full blown out fight (not a tiff) makes me think they are proud to try to be a disruptor (therefore take anything they say as potentially planted intel).
On to other things, I find the joint statement by William and Harry very interesting. On BBC Radio 4's 'World At One' this lunchtime the presenter noted that the article in question, denied by William and Harry, was 'well-sourced'. I can't help but trace this all back to Meghan but have no evidence of course.
Radio 4 also interviewed people on the street in Sussex for their views. There was a clear generational divide, the younger ones seeing no problem with H&M going off and doing their own thing. However, when PROMPTED about funding, they thought H&M should not be funded as they are now. To them it was so obvious it needn't be stated. So in that there was unanimity between the generations. The funding aspect obviously needs to be kept overt.
Oh and the Canadians have joined the British in being incandescent on DM, following Trudeau's generosity with their money. Americans are not far behind. It was good to see British readers sympathising with Canadians and noting what staunch allies they have been to us in the past. Meghan is spreading discord in vast waves across oceans. She must be loving it, especially as she never thinks more than one step ahead.
Hope someone " spills some tea" to keep up entertained.
I am not typically interested in celebrity or totality, but this fascinates me. Perhaps as a psychological study and historic moment?
I will await the news on his missteps with keen interest.
Sorry for the Canadians who have to pay for these two idiots.
The idea is simple-imagine that this is just a normal family, strip away the titles, the PR, the wealth and privilege etc.
Look at her past. Look at how she has acted towards her friends and her own family. Look at what she has done in such a short amount of time to this new family. It tells you all you need to know.
I think this is a very effective argument if you come up against defenders of MM because when you strip things back there's a sad truth that she is completely toxic.’
I’ve thought the same as your fiancé, and many I know have too. There’s an actress called Olivia Munn who’s done a very similar thing to her then boyfriend Aaron Rodgers, he’s partially reconciled with his family now, but sadly and tragically there are both women and men out there just like Meghan. I’m sure they purposely pick their victims when looking to where they want to succeed etc.
The only toxicity is Meghan, she’s a poisoned chalice within the royal family and this country.
When coming up against Meghan defenders there really is no point trying to push a more pragmatic view (I’ve tried them all), rather like banging your head against a brick wall, totally pointless and a complete waste of time and effort.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7Ot6zFn4Ei/?utm_source=ig_embed
Yeah, no wonder all of Meghan's 'friends' are keeping schtumm, because it's very very hard to defend her right now. Leaving her babby on another continent, extorting the beloved elderly queen, running away to leave her dumb husband to face the music..... that's your feminist, philantrophist 'hit the ground runnning' Meghan?
Only the super sugars can defend her at this point. And while they may be noisy, thankfully there aren't that many of them about. The Harkles have handled this so so badly and it's a grand spectacle!
AVerySunshinyDay, agreed MM made a very critical mistake by fleeing out of the country, leaving Harry behind on his home turf, and I've got to think that it would be a relief to him. I've not read the joint statement yet, had to stop her for the overview, but that's a good sign. And it does two things IMO:
1) shows the brothers working together (paramount if Harry is to ever come back to the fam) and
2) shoots down whatever Rach has planned for the future, because there's her husband stopping her before she starts.
If Harry comes back "home", I expect there will be more telling end runs / flanking.
@IEschew re: this I confess I snorted as I listened to him “preach” at the wedding. I have been in his presence and promise you, his affect was dialed up to a 10 for that wedding. Just add it to the list of things that were disgusting, false cultural appropriations by Meg on that day. Thank you and times two! My whole fam on one side is cradle-to-grave CoE and Episcopalian for hundreds of years now, so when I saw the service, I was appalled and offended and thought it entirely fake. That woman has done nothing but try to be white for her entire life, and she used black in that church that day in a way that made a mockery of the church, the family, and all people of color. Talk about (what's the buzz phrase? 'cultural appropriation?) being something you aren't and I was done that day. Done. The only thing left was for her to toss the leftover wafers back with a glass of Tignawhateverthehellitis and declare the Eucharist "modernized".
Every Nuttier & Nuttiest in the Separation/Divorce Corner - I'm with you. The joint statement end run is but one piece. I also agree that Archie may not be in Canada and that was just an excuse to get Cruella on a plane.
Hikari Maybe Philip leaving the scene was for Rach's benefit, to let him be seen. He must loathe that woman to his core. If I were H, I'd have been most terrified of seeing Philip and most heartbroken seeing my grandmother and brother.
This is rather amusing: https://www.thedailybeast.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hiding-out-in-canadian-billionaire-frank-giustras-mansion
And now, if Justin's offer to pay security isn't true, he's going to have to distance himself, too. This is going to be good.
I feel we’re all in a waiting room together, looking for humor and trying to soothe our frayed nerves with snack, coffee and tea runs. It is not even our family, although in a way it is for you Brits. Imagine how Camilla, Catherine, PP, and the rest of them feel, being family/victims and knowing so much more than we do.
"He [Harry] didn't hate the media until the last 18 months and he'd take us to the pub and say I didn't like this or that, and then he would pay the bill. Now he doesn't even look or talk to us. It's sad."
Do you all remember those initial claims that caused Harry to go public about this relationship in the first place, far sooner than warranted? Wasn't it that there'd been an attempted break-in and aggression and intimidation towards Meghan? When no one knew about the relationship yet and the police had no reports when asked? It's all a pattern.
So, the DM has an article saying that Charles is hurt after giving the Harkles millions to furnish their house.
Since Frogs Moor is not being used the copper bathtub should be pulled and sold off. I am sure it will sell at 4x the original price (5000 pounds) as the tub that Megan once bathed it. Charles to receive the proceeds.
Another good reason why PP may have not stayed for the meeting is so that it can be clearly seen that HMTQ is in charge. How can the BRF be "sexist" if she is clearly the one in control and making decisions without the "help" of her husband?!
Maybe this is just a wishful thinking PR piece from MM? Kind of like all those fake stories about the Queen holding birthday parties in her honor and showering her with favoritism.
She'd like Canada to foot the bill and is hoping to publicly manipulate the truth into being. Then she can claim international support.
Also, can we just stop this Jessica Mulroney character from getting any more press? Good Grief! Why does she get any media coverage?! Yuck!
If he is in Canada, one reason why the RF might not be (too) worried at the moment is that once PC becomes King, he will have custody of Archie. If things go badly he could always have the RPOs bring him back to England. At that point, Megs rep will be so badly damaged that it won't matter. If they grab him now, it would be a pretty strong opportunity to add to the victim card.
As a British Columbian living at the epicentre of “left coast virtue signalling wokeness”, I can see this being construed as colonialism and will not go over well at a time when any civic decision is driven by making reparations to our First Nations population. To get an idea of how serious First Nations consultation is here, a statue of our first prime minister Sir John A. McDonald was removed from the steps of Victoria City Hall, for what was deemed his role in cultural genocide towards our indigenous people. Indigenous language is being used to replace street names and places that were originally given colonial names.
Giving money to two very rich, very entitled Royals being cocooned in luxury in our province is not going to go over well at all at a time when many of our First Nations people live in third world conditions.
Sigh...you are absolutely right. God Save the Queen!
Maybe the postcards are at Mme Tussaud's along with the banned wax figures....
@vince, so if Megan doesn't want to move to the us until Trump is no longer president, that may give me reason to vote for 4 more years. Haha. All jokes aside, I saw an interview where he was asked about Megxit and he declined to comment on her, but said that he felt bad for the Queen and that this wasn't fair to her. I was actually pretty shocked that he didn't say anything about "nasty Meghan"
The only things leaked so far are the brothers united statement and Canada paying for security? (Assuming these are true but I mean in terms of news about this summit).
All the workers at Sandringham must be anxious as heck!!
https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/1216652533508104193?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Then consider how Serena does not leave her child at home with the nanny, but has enough good manners not to diss an ex-friend in public.
I think Alexis and Serena see Meghan for who she is.
https://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2020/01/prince-harry-and-duchess-meghan-2020.html
When's the next Canadian election?
Prince Charles is 'hurt' by Harry and Meghan's decision to quit as senior royals because he has secretly given them millions to fund their lavish lifestyle and furnish their Windsor home in a show of 'love' for the couple since they married 20 months ago, it was claimed today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881949/Charles-hurt-giving-millions-cash-Meghan-Harry.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881931/Businessman-Frank-Giustra-DENIES-mystery-billionaire-lent-Harry-Meghan-mansion.html
And finally, even thirsty as *you know what* Hillary Clinton is keeping quiet.
So who does Meghan have left? Oh yeah, Jameela Jamil lol
First - thank you Nutty for the blog and Nutties/ Nutters for contributing. This is my go to place at the moment.
For those of you across the Pond - thank you for keeping your TVs on and your eyes glued to the headlines. I get a mishmash of pro and negative comments from the US media.
Comments -
Philip look terrible - God bless him in this time along with HMTQ for strength and forbearance.
Nothing in this debacle has to do with racism, and the public is realizing it.
Strong offense on the part of the Royals as to what they have done $$$$$$$ for H&M.
I await the Kraken - HM has the keys......
Assuming that 'leak' came from Charles' office, it adds more to the really awful picture emerging about these two. Blackmailed the beloved queen, left their baby in Canada, looking for taxpayers' money while offering nothing in return.... and now, being ungrateful for the money so generously given by Charles. I don't think I've seen such a spate of almost uniformly negative press for members of the royal family since the death of Diana. It's really something.
Can this be yet another sign of separation/divorce and merde on the fan that is Rachel's life?
Basically, I'm busy compiling some things to show my mum who until today was completely oblivious to the right royal hustle, and I need to set her straight!! It wasn't in the least bit annoying to tell her things and have her say, "Oh Joanna! Stop being so silly." You must feel my pain here!
Also, I want to say that this is nutty’s blog. HER BLOG. No one has the right to make demands regarding HER sandbox. Gripes that other people’s sandbox has all the shovels and buckets and the really good sand, while their sandbox has no shovels, one rusty spoon, and sand like smells like cat piss is little more than whining, IMO. If you don’t like the tone, comments, etc., of this blog, start your own. If you don’t like the comments of other people, scroll on by. That little arrow is your friend. We are here by nutty’s generosity. If at some point she throws up her hands and says, “Enough!” I wouldn’t blame her. She’s had to bring down the hammer at least three times to my knowledge and yet people are still throwing tantrums. She’s made it clear what her expectations are. Give her the respect she deserves by adhering to her requests.
Whatever the outcome of the Summit, none of the people in the room can turn back time, so it would be better to have a clean break and let Harry go without his title, security and Royal duties. However it is settled, the Sussexes will be unhappy in very short order and throwing their rattles back out of the pram, so the BRF might as well brace now and get it over and done with.
That's what I think too. We were told the date and location of the 'summit', and even the time it would begin, almost as though they wanted people to be speculating and have reporters camped out at the gates to Sandringham. Have the royals ever done that before?
Also, a reminder that Harry's appearance at the Rugby World Cup drawn in Buckingham Palace on Thursday is still scheduled to go ahead. Mark that date in your diaries!
I think she is hiding him until she can guarantee making money from him. Once they are allowed to "officially merch"....watch out!
If she had allowed much access then the profit would dwindle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIC5znWxZt4
I WANT NEWS lol. Can't get anything done today...except laundry.