Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10727060/prince-harry-meghan-markle-sandringham-summit-queen-arrival/
It is in the first line of the article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7009283/BBC-Radio-5-Live-host-Danny-Baker-tweets-racist-Royal-Baby-monkey-image.html
Written by Brittany Vonow, but she doesn’t give a source.....just another way to fill up the front sheet?
There is this piece of fantasy (or misinformation from Megsy):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10726112/meghan-markle-prince-harry-beyonce-holiday/
1. Beyonce and Jay Z wanting to holiday with Megsy and Harry? I don't think so!
2. Megsy and Harry were stopped by aides? I don't think so!
Some humour from Piers Morgan:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10725591/prince-harry-la-stoner-relocates-meghan-markle-piers-morgan/
Go for it Harry ... best way to deal with the endless word salad and manipulation is to take another puff of the joint and smile beatifically (just make sure it is good stuff because some of the stuff out there is mixed and dangerous, i.e. you may end up hitting her over the head with a heavy cast-iron frying pan).
Lots of speculation about the meeting. It is speculation folks. No one has insider information (unless senior royals want it leaked).
Nothing new here, but a reminder that Meghan was fully informed about what being royal means and she misled everyone in agreeing to everything:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-frank-warning-meghan-21271571
A couple of tarot readings are in and a few interesting insights emerge:
1. Negotiation and reconciliation is more possible without Meghan there.
2. Meghan is driving this, not Harry. For her it is all about control and money. She is not a person who can negotiate or compromise (she wants what she wants and she is getting impatient about that). She is not going to get the deal she wants, not immediately anyway, although it may seem that way.
3. For the senior royals, although they love Harry and desperately want to help him, it is about protecting the institution.
4. The Queen and Charles will offer money from their personal wealth to assist them in transition from funded royals to financially independent non-working royals. Megsy wants the monthly payments.
5. The senior royals want more of a detailed plan (kind of like a business plan) and want to know why they need so much more money.
6. Megsy will drop out of the meeting (communication suddenly cut off). She knows what she wants, she is not too invested in the outcome ... she's done, ready for her exit, and dreaming of the billions she is going to make (but she still needs bridging finance while she signs all those deals). She's partying while this meeting is going on.
7. William is going to try to protect Harry's inheritance. Megsy is not happy with this.
8. Harry will be shown the full consequences and details of their demands and he is in shock.
9. Harry wants to keep Frogmore Cottage. Meghan could not care less about it.
10. The Queen is the only one who will remain calm throughout the meeting.
11. Seems that titles may go. It is the Sussex Royal Megsy wants ... she doesn't care about the HRH. The BRF can't have her merching the crown, the royal part of Sussex, so they are going to try to stipulate conditions.
Not to mention that the tweet was universally condemmned and the presenter was instantly sacked. If Britain were so racist, surely he'd still be in a job today?
I really think the "step back" move was driven by her need to merch. The Jennifer Meyer incident showed the palace had MM's number when it came to merching and she wouldn't be able to do it on the sly anymore.
Ridiculous that they require additional funding to become financially independent. I commuted once over 60 miles one way to a job, getting up at 4:00 AM. I do not think they have the slightest idea what actual work is.
@PaisleyGirl
That's what I think too. We were told the date and location of the 'summit', and even the time it would begin, almost as though they wanted people to be speculating and have reporters camped out at the gates to Sandringham. Have the royals ever done that before?
Also, a reminder that Harry's appearance at the Rugby World Cup drawn in Buckingham Palace on Thursday is still scheduled to go ahead. Mark that date in your diaries!
Seems like one of those magician tricks again pointing at one location to draw people's attention while doing something at quite another.
Did the meeting last the time allotted? It seems to have been gotten over with very quickly.
I think most of here, left-leaning, right leaning, are probably in agreement on things like character & values, & that they make a difference. In my old age I can see what my elders hated about Bill Clinton's draft dodging, I didn't inhale ways. Boy, were they right! When he ran for president I thought they were just old reactionaries.
After the inflating, deflating baby bump, what did it for me re: Megs was the way she treated her blood family. When her mom was the only relative at her wedding I thought it was weird, & that perhaps her dad had been an abusive monster, but weren't there any other relatives who could have been stuffed into morning suits & fancy hats for day or two? If she were really a millionaire, as reported, she could have paid for the tickets & hotels herself. Lots of families pick up the tab for wedding guests. I know sometimes there are family issues which call for a limited guest list, but in that case, have a small private wedding, don't blast it over international tv at the British public's expense while they're going through the stress of Brexit. I know, maybe the RF thought it would cheer people up, but big mistake.
When the Harkles dumped on his aging & ailing grandparents, is when I blew a gasket & called for the RF to release the Kraken. As I've told my kids, you just don't do that to your olds, no matter how big a pain in the rear they are. Harry & Megs both have much to be grateful for in the way their families have treated them.
We've all seen very intelligent people do self-destructive things, but at the risk of sounding 'IQist,' I've wondered if part of Harry's problem is not just poor impulse control, damage from his mother's death, but that he's just not that smart.
Was he the one his mother was pregnant with when she allegedly threw herself down the stairs? One of my kids was fascinated by swastikas for a brief time, mainly because when he drew one, we adults acted as if he had dropped a big one on the floor, but he was 4 years old. Harry was in his teens when he did the Nazi party stunt. Just dumb, as well as entitled.
I hope that the RF aren't so dumb as to reward bad behavior, that always leads to big problems down the road. Megs needs to be cut off at the knees somehow. She's toxic for them. I'm beginning to wonder if the Tom Bradby stuff is a trap of sorts for the Harkles. They don't look very good trying to blackmail a beloved grandmother in her 90s who just happens to be the Queen of England.
Elle, most of us love your posts, even if you go off topic. If you cross the line. Nutty will tell you. On another thread, people were talking about their Myers Briggs profiles. Can't remember if I've ever taken one, but I'm definitely an extrovert of some sort. I've been lucky enough to have lived all over the place, known all sorts of people & had a blast. Perhaps growing up in a family in which the males outnumbered the females gave me a thick skin, but it really pains me more to have to dislike someone than to know that they dislike me. That happens, I'm not perfect. It's their problem, not mine. I've been called a 'POS' & 'sick' on these pages, but whatever. My advice, don't leave unless Nutty bans you, or you get bored. Also, sometimes if people get cranky there's something in their life that's stressing them, & you're not really the target. Just give them their space & let it go.
Quite possibly. Plus it seems all the main players have just now left Sandringham. Could a meeting lasting under 3 hours really thrash out all the legal, constitutional, financial, logistic etc aspects of two senior royals doing their own thing and moving to another continent? I highly doubt it.
It really seems like this is smoke and mirrors. I also doubt Meghan participated in the 'conference' by phone, because who would trust her not to record it and sell it to the media (which she hates so much)? Unless they got her to do it in the secure room of a British embassy!
Not only he was fired, he profusely apologized explaining it by "not knowing it was Meghan who had given birth". He thought it was somebody else in the RF. The moron wanted to mock the WHITE members of the RF.
God has spectacular sense of humor.
But if there is an agreement I see this:
Sussex Royal Foundation - Allowed
Sussex Royal merching and branding - Not allowed
Cornwall Cash money - Keeps flowing but at half the rate due to Harry doing half his Royal duties (of course he will shirk them)
H$M both Representing and traveling for The Queen's Commonwealth Trust - Yes and Encouraged by Charles
Security expenses- Will continue to be publically funded, split by Canada and UK
Froggy's Moor --- Available rent free
PC left the meeting at 4:30 their time. Was scheduled to last till 5.
Guess time passes quickly when one's having fun!!!
I am American so I am hearing the Jeopardy theme song in my head LOL
Also I thought PC would naturally stay there tonight, since he doesn't have an Amner Hall nearby, but of course he's the busiest royal of all.
Really says nothing much that's new. Discussions ongoing.
TORTURE!!!
Ok, back to my laundry.
The herd over at CB likes to declare that MM has her own money, 5 million of it to boot (I don't know where this figure comes from but it's cited quite often). I think her history shows she is quite reckless with money. I doubt she came to the marriage with any substantial assets. Perhaps this is why she's so set on merching and is demanding so much of it now. She knows the PR and the insanely expensive wardrobe she insists wearing won't pay for themselves.
Probably not. Just looking for something positive!
My reading of the situation is that any restrictions the family put on merching for Meghan will hasten the divorce (besides, they should know by now that Meghan cannot be trusted). They are protecting the firm, not trying to get at Rachel, but she will perceive it that way. She is delusional and messy with details, so the billions and global fame and adoration and influence she is dreaming about will not happen, but she will do well on her own. She is a good hustler.
Final decisions will be reached in the coming days.........so, they didn’t mention titles and called them Harry and Meghan, interesting.
https://mobile.twitter.com/re_dailymail/status/1216767628544479237
YES lol! For next year's Christmas speech ;)
/Scorecard for the humor impaired: I don't need anybody to sell their jewels, royal or otherwise, for my funding. I just need to get off my *ss and quit watching the slow motion wreck of the Harry and Meghan show.
Very good catch re: "Harry and Meghan"
2) the RF is entirely supportive of the H&M creating a new life as a young family
3) we preferred them to remain full time working royals but understand wish to live more independent while remaining valued part of the family
4) H+M made clear they do now wish to be reliant on public funds in their new lives
5) will be a period of transition in where Sussex will spend time in Canada and the U.K.
6’) matters are complex to resolve, more work to be done, resolution expected in next few days.
So much noise in the media today ...
Some humour from Piers Morgan:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10725591/prince-harry-la-stoner-relocates-meghan-markle-piers-morgan/
He is now known as the dynamic and irrepressible Piers Morgan. Check out his twitter. He takes on all comers and gets the better of them. Insulting all kinds of woke social justice warriors that try to take him on. Shame him on alleged racism and so on...
I like his sidekick on GMB, Susanna Reid gets paid millions for nodding and her facial expressions, while motor mouth Piers rants. Not that I ever saw the show, just seen clips in America.
Who knows? Just definitely worth noting due to the formality of The Firm.
Though this was obviously a familial announcement as opposed to professional: she stated "my family" quite often. So perhaps this was to de-escalate and make things seem a lot more intimate than just a business decision.
(Now instead of "Jeopardy" theme I am hearing "The Godfather"....it's nothing personal, just good business)
Short version...who knows, we will wait and see.
Woko's still going after Kate and her staff.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881909/Meghan-Markle-support-mom-Doria-Ragland-miserable-UK.html
And while I'd like to think that the absence of their royal titles is significant, HM also refers to the Duke of Edinburgh as 'Philip' or 'my husband' in official statements. So unfortunately it's probably not what we'd like to think it is.
Translation: they tried to milk public funds and were told no.
The rest is just the world salad a-la Markle. "We would prefer them to stay the fully working members of the family but understand their desire...."
I think HM is *very* careful about what she says.
If it were my family and I made a comment about a money-grubbing soon to be former in law right after a meeting in which she was demanding to be kept on the payroll but do nothing, there wouldn't be enough bleeps to possibly make it airway friendly.
Also, what's this 'transition period'? 'Transitioning' to what, exactly? I think this may turn out to be the key here.
"Today my family had very constructive discussions on the future of my grandson and his family.
"My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan's desire to create a new life as a young family.
"Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a
valued part of my family.
"Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives.
"It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and
the UK.
"These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final
decisions to be reached in the coming days."
Smoke and mirrors, reading the tea leaves ... reminds me of the show Lost
Perhaps we will hear of her demise in a tragic fishing accident soon.
It is either significant or just badly written.
@Twinsmama....I don't think they actually got a sweetheart deal. I think that this statement is just to delay...and drive MM more batshit-crazy.@Fairy Crocodile was probably right when she said that the translation of "they made it clear they didn't want public funds" means they were denied.
Let's watch her unravel. Ok...I have GOT to accomplish something today!
They also said Meghan has no 'intention' to return to the UK to live permanently, saying: 'She doesn’t want to raise Archie there and she doesn’t want to schlep back and forth'
Prince Harry is set to follow Meghan across the Atlantic later this week with no clue of when he will be returning
Now across the pond, the friend said of Meghan: 'This was her plan all along, to eventually leave the UK and build her own empire with Harry'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881909/Meghan-Markle-support-mom-Doria-Ragland-miserable-UK.html
****THIS!
After her super expensive Royal wedding in the UK, now Megs hates the UK. All those millions blown on Frogmore renovations to suit this flighty ingrate. And now Charles says he blew a few million on her for expensive clothing and new Frogmore furnishings. She creates chaos wherever she goes.
Megs is one of the worst things to happen to the UK in the last few years.
I wonder why Wills didn’t go to lunch and if that had been planned that Harry wanted to talk to PC and TQ alone (not suggesting anything untoward to William)
"I thought they were meticulously even-handed in that documentary. Every time I got apoplectic with rage at the woke brigade I had an equal amount of time to calm down again."
Note reports Prince Charles has given them huge sums of money of "his own" in addition to Duchy funds.
Cat's Meow I saw that. my thoughts: needs to pull out her mother's support (hint: the friends are no longer supporting her publically) to leave GB behind, anxiety attacks about her future and the continued pitch that being miserable behind the scenes was very real and sad that no one was asking her how she felt.
If I did half the things she did for the last 2+ years, I would be having anxiety attacks over how I screwed my future up that it wouldn't be what I dreamed and wanted it to be. She could have had almost everything (not William or Queen Consort) but almost everything.
Poor poor M. major victim from all sides or so we are to believe. (as if the SA whinamentary didn't get enough support so let me keep trying). As some point, people notice how much the pity card is played and they stop responding to it.
no titles? She usually is very precise but ... as she said, still work to be done.
Perhaps they want to postpone any major announcement until after then?
They are referred to as Harry and Meghan. One can hope the titles have been taken away and HE is back to Prince Henry/ Harry.
Two hour meeting is a short meeting. Makes one wonder if Harry truly understands the financial implications of leaving.
The taxes. Merciful God in Heaven - the taxes will eat through his inheritance in a few years.
IF they are merchandizing, how will it affect the Royal Family.
The place in the line of succession. .....I would say he is out. One can hope.
Harry - SMH.
How will her refusal to return impact her lawsuit?
I was in my darkened room & all but the crucial bits - will know more at 6pm (local time now 5.39)
Is the Queen killing them with sugar & honey? Charles to pick up the bill from personal account, over & above Duchy cash, as has done all all along.
Transition period in Canada, warned of tax traps , respects their wish to leave blah, blah.
Is C's health OK? How long before it's W's pidgin?
Try BBC News 24 live online in 16/17 mins time
"Re: the Queen's statement after the summit, the line "Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives" is carefully phrased, i.e.they "do not want" rather than "they will not" be reliant on public funds. A world of difference."
That's true.
However, another way of looking at it might be to say that HM is basically putting the responsibility back on the Harkles. So she's not saying 'we will not allow them to use any public money', she's saying 'they want not to have any public money'. So if it turns out - and that's a big 'if' - that all public funding, incl security, is taken away, she can always say 'Well, this is what you wanted, isn't it?'
Although as I mentioned above, the royals wouldn't consider Duchy funds to be 'public' (although many would disagree) so may not make such a huge difference in practice.
To treat Harry so generously and bow down to the repulsive wife is to treat those who have taken their duties seriously absolutely shoddily.
Perhaps HMQ is referencing the parable of the prodigal son? Wonder what they'll demand next.
I'm afraid the Queen isn't fit for the role.
I don’t care how rich you are, no one wants to give taxes to 2-3 governments.
I noted the word ‘quit’, no mention of being part time royals, and I also don’t assume splitting their time between countries means ‘working’ either.
to share an observation about sussexroyal. The first time I saw it, I focused on the last part. exroyal. You could even do some mental gymnastics to make it mean us ex royal. Play on words? Unconsciously revealing their plan all along? Who knows with these two.
Sorry folks, I'm behind the times. I hadn't found the end of the thread. Posted old stuff.
I don't think she uses the word 'quit'?
And "we preferred them to remain full time working royals but understand wish to live more independent while remaining valued part of the family" could be interpreted to mean they could have a 'hybrid' role though I don't see how this could work in practice.
I also think the first part of the sentence is significant - she is making it clear that this is the Harkles' decision and was in no way imposed upon them, as the sugars would have you believe.
Raspberry Ruffle
I noted the word ‘quit’, no mention of being part time royals, and I also don’t assume splitting their time between countries means ‘working’ either.
nice catch
If BP is having a lot of difficulty trying to contain them when their office is local, having a second office far away would be even more undoable.
@KnitWit. I read somewhere, In a reliable, 'real' news source, not a Markle-skeptic blog, IIRC, that Archbishop Justin Welby was the one who arranged for the clergyman who officiated at the Harkle wedding. I remember thinking he was a bit of a 'holy roller' or overly excitable, but they exist here in the states in both black & white congregations. Welby may have thought him refreshingly novel, & not realized how the man would come across on tv. One of my kids was christened by a gay, black Episcopal clergyman many years ago, he was much more subdued. My guess is that the Episcopal Church is trying to woo black parishioners in elevating Rev. Curry (I finally remembered his name!) to the position of Bishop, & good for them.
@MobileMom, I remember reading in the DM, so may have been untrue, that poor Doria was terrified because she had been told to never speak to the press or even to her family & friends about Harkle stuff. No idea whether this was because she had been pressured by Megs, or the RF, or if it was completely untrue. Whatever the case, she has been very discreet.
Huh, whilst feeling vulnerable whilst pregnant and then a new mother, not sleeping blah blah, she managed to stride around like a show pony. The victim storyline is going to get boring fast. Note in the Doria Ragland article her friend says she wants a country home near Whistler AND a house in Toronto!! Who’s paying for them?
I think Doria Ragland's 'friend' is code for MM. Perhaps that is her new demand for removing The Claw (insert TM symbol here) from Harry's back.
rules. Where she will land remains to be seen. I still feel she is gearing up to run for political office in California
We have to ask ourselves. Why are all the top dem players sniffing around her and Harry? I can guess it's not because they love him as his own blood family does.
However, there’s a period of transition, what’s finally agreed remains unsaid IMO.
I'm not sure where you are getting that information. From HM's statement, no details have been worked out yet except there will be no public funding.
I also do not think Harry understands taxes. Welcome to the jungle, it will be short and brutal.
I do not think that she has the business acumen to run with the big dogs.
*I prefer the stress-free life of rocking on the porch, myself, and having a small enough company so that I can work when I want.
Agree that it is likely no specifics will come out until Harry's final engagement. Whether they are holding back on purpose or maybe nothing is actually decided...who knows?
Obviously I lied. I am still getting nothing done ;)
I can't comment on any announcement until I can read it/them and all the comments I missed this morning (PM for Harry . . I was watching the clock and glad I was not him today.)
You all might be as amused by this as I was . . I listen to pop radio while getting ready for work. Wondering if my local DJ has been following this, or it's just my obsessional paranoia speaking, but, I kid you not . . in quick succession, in the space of 20 minutes, this was the playlist as the minutes ticked down to the end of the Sandringham Showdown:
DON'T GO CHASING WATERFALLS (This means you, Haz, you thickie)
A lonely mother gazing out of her window
Staring at a son that she just can't touch
If at any time he's in a jam she'll be by his side
But he doesn't realize he hurts her so much
But all the praying just ain't helping at all
'Cause he can't seem to keep his self out of trouble
So, he goes out and he makes his money the best way he know how
Another body laying cold in the gutter
Listen to me
Don't go chasing waterfalls
Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to
I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all
But I think you're moving too fast
Little precious has a natural obsession for temptation
But he just can't see
She give him loving that his body can't handle
But all he can say is, "Baby, it's good to me"
One day he goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror
But he doesn't recognize his own face
His health is fading and he doesn't know why
Three letters took him to his final resting place
Y'all don't hear me
Don't go chasing waterfalls
Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to
I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all
But I think you're moving too fast
I seen rainbow yesterday
But too many storms have come and gone
Leavin' a trace of not on God-given ray
Is it because my life is ten shades of gray
I pray all ten fade away
Seldom praise Him for the sunny days
And like his promise is true
Only my faith can undo
The many chances I blew
To bring my life to anew
Clear blue and unconditional skies
Have dried the tears from my eyes
No more lonely cries
My only bleedin' hope
Is for the folk who can't cope
Wit such an endurin' pain
That it keeps 'em in the pourin' rain
Who's to blame
For tootin' caine in your own vein
What a shame
You shoot and aim for someone else's brain
You claim the insane
And name this day in time
For fallin prey to crime
I say the system got you victim to your own mind
Dreams are hopeless aspirations
In hopes of comin' true
Believe in yourself
The rest is up to me and you
Don't go chasing waterfalls
Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to
I know that you're gonna have it your way or nothing at all
But I think you're moving too fast
******
HELL, YEAH (Harry's Theme)
I'm at a party I don't wanna be at
And I don't ever wear a suit and tie
Wonderin' if I could sneak out the back
Nobody's even lookin' me in my eyes
Then you take my hand
Finish my drink, say, "Shall we dance?" Hell, yeah
You know I love you, did I ever tell you?
You make it better like that
Don't think I fit in at this party
Everyone's got so much to say, yeah
I always feel like I'm nobody, mm
Who wants to fit in anyway?
'Cause I don't care when I'm with my baby, yeah
All the bad things disappear
And you're making me feel like maybe I am somebody
I can deal with the bad nights
When I'm with my baby, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
'Cause I don't care, as long as you just hold me near
You can take me anywhere
And you're making me feel like I'm loved by somebody
I can deal with the bad nights
When I'm with my baby, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
We at a party we don't wanna be at
Tryna talk, but we can't hear ourselves
Read your lips, I'd rather kiss 'em right back
With all these people all around
I'm crippled with anxiety
But I'm told it's where I'm supposed to be
You know what? It's kinda crazy 'cause I really don't mind
And you make it better like that
Don't think we fit in at this party
Everyone's got so much to say, oh yeah, yeah
When we walked in, I said I'm sorry, mm
But now I think that we should stay
'Cause I don't care when I'm with my baby, yeah
All the bad things disappear
Yeah, you're making me feel like maybe I am somebody
I can deal with the bad nights when I'm with my baby, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (oh yeah, yeah, yeah)
'Cause I don't care as long as you just hold me near
You can take me anywhere
And you're making me feel like I'm loved by somebody
I can deal with the bad nights when I'm with my baby, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (no)
I don't like nobody but you
It's like you're the only one here
I don't like nobody but you
Baby, I don't care
I don't like nobody but you
I hate everyone here
I don't like nobody but you
Baby, yeah
'Cause I don't care (don't care) when I'm with my baby, yeah (oh yeah)
All the bad things disappear (disappear)
And you're making me feel like maybe I am somebody (maybe I'm somebody)
I can deal with the bad nights (with the bad nights)
When I'm with my baby, yeah
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (oh yeah, yeah, yeah)
'Cause I don't care as long as you just hold me near (me near)
You can take me anywhere (anywhere, anywhere)
And you're making me feel like I'm loved by somebody (I'm loved by somebody)
I can deal with the bad nights (yeah, yeah, yeah)
When I'm with my baby, yeah (oh)
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
Only, Haz, you were so wrong about this, weren't you?
******
EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE (I'll Be Watching You) (William's ode to Meghan. He's tight with MI6 now)
Every breath you take and every move you make
Every bond you break, every step you take, I'll be watching you
Every single day and every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay, I'll be watching you
Oh, can't you see you belong to me
How my poor heart aches with every step you take
Every move you make, and every vow you break
Every smile you fake, every claim you stake, I'll be watching you
(Harry chimes in for this bit)
Since you've gone I've been lost without a trace
I dream at night, I can only see your face
I look around but it's you I can't replace
I feel so cold and I long for your embrace
I keep crying, "Baby, baby, please"
Oh, can't you see you belong to me
How my poor heart aches with every step you take
(William resumes)
Every move you make and every vow you break
Every smile you fake, every claim you stake, I'll be watching you
Every move you make, every step you take, I'll be watching you
I'll be watching you
Every breath you take and every move you make
Every bond you break, every step you take (I'll be watching you)
Every single day, every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay (I'll be watching you)
Every move you make, every vow you break
Every smile you fake, every claim you stake (I'll be watching you)
Every single day, every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay (I'll be watching you)
Every breath you take, every move you make
Every bond you break, every step you take (I'll be watching you)
Every single day, every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay (I'll be watching you)
Every move you make, every vow you break
Every smile you fake, every claim you stake (I'll be watching you)
Every single day, every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay, I'll be watching you
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Next was, not kidding . .
1999 (The Dumbartons' Lament)
I was dreamin' when I wrote this
Forgive me if it goes astray
But when I woke up this mornin'
Could have sworn it was Judgment Day<<<<<------Love this part!
The sky was all purple
There were people runnin' everywhere
Tryin' to run from the destruction
You know I didn't even care
They say two thousand zero, zero
Party over
Oops, out of time
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999
I was dreamin' when I wrote this
So sue me if I go too fast
But life is just a party
And parties weren't meant to last
War is all around us
My mind says prepare to fight
So if I gotta die
I'm gonna listen to my body tonight, yeah
They say two thousand zero, zero
Party over
Oops, out of time
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999
Yeah
Let me tell you somethin'
If you didn't come to party
Don't bother knockin' on…
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Finally, some advice to Harry from Huey Lewis . .
POWER OF LOVE
The power of love is a curious thing
Make a one man weep, make another man sing
Change a heart to a little white dove
More than a feeling, that's the power of love
Tougher than diamonds, whips like cream
Stronger and harder than a bad girls dream
Make a bad one good, mmm make a wrong right
Power of love will keep you home at night
Don't need money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life
That's the power of love
That's the power of love
First time you feed it might make you sad
Next time you feed it might make you mad
But you'll be glad baby when you've found
That's the power that makes the world go round
Don't need money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life
They say that all in love is fair
Yeah but you don't care
But you know what to do
When it gets hold of you
And with a little help from above
You feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
Can you feel it?
Don't take money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
Tougher than diamonds and stronger than steel
You won't feel it until you feel
You feel the power, feel the power of love
That's the power, that's the power of love
You feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
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I couldn't believe it was happening, but I testify that this is 100% true. Seems like a lot of pop songs were prescient about the current situation. Maybe all these people have loved Narcs in their lives???
I agree with you...would much rather live a quiet life rocking on my porch drinking all types of tea (American version either being sweet Southern tea or Long Island-type tea...along with British tea aka "hot tea" and or "gossip")
I think MM is withholding pics of Archie b/c is her gambit fails and her Megxit demands are not met, then one of her back up plans is to use Archie as a prop. She will go out and about with Archie in public and demand a cut of profits from paparazzi. By controlling the amount of photos out there in the media of Archie since his birth- she is making sure her meal ticket is in demand if she someday needs additional source of income.
Here is a list of Archie photos that have been snapped/released so far (that I can think of--let me know if I have forgotten any)
-May 8: Archie is presented at Windsor with Meghan & Harry
-May 8: Archie with HMTQ, PP, Meghan, Harry & Doria
-Mother's Day: Archie's feet
-Father's Day: Weird black & white photo of Archie with Harry's fingers in the way
-Archie's Christening photo in Green Room of Windsor with Meghan, Harry, Doria, Kate, William & Diana's sisters
-Archie at Polo with Meghan
-Photo exiting private plane after jaunt to South of France
-Archie with Meghan & Harry eating at some pub in Windsor
-Photo of Archie with toboggan with dangling pom poms as Meghan & Harry arrive in SA
-Desmond Tutu- "Live Archie"
-Archie being cradled by Meghan in airport in SA
-Archie in black & white gif Christmas card
-Archie with Harry in "Canada"
Another point I would like y'all's opinion on... @Elle posted a link from The Mirror of Kate being papped as she drove her children to school. Kate being photographed doing normal, mundane errands is not a rare occurrence. I cannot think of a time since her engagement that I have seen Meghan papped running errands or anything like that. Why? The only time Meghan is photographed is when she is attending a scheduled event. Any thoughts? Isn't this weird?
Me either! I shall have to catch up on the latest in approximately 8 hours and by that time, the thread will probably take 3 to 4 hours to read.
Any delays in a final, jointly announced outcome will benefit the BRF, since nobody is going to sign a deal with the Sussexes as long as their ability to commit is in limbo. And letting Harry go back and forth means they have plenty of time with him alone, and without her whispering in his ear. She’ll need another trap baby ASAP.
And I so sympathize with your having to make a "serious show" of doing work today.
Sigh.
It seems there's a lot we don't know. But I don't see we've been given any hints about these biggies:
1) Who pays the security costs including the extra ones required to live abroad? That IS public money but saying H&M don't *want* to be reliant on public money doesn't mean the public won't pay for that and perhaps other costs. Nowhere does TQ's statement say public money *won't* be spent on them.
2) Can they freely engage in merching?
My sentiments exactly. They can leave, not be full time royals, it needs to be hammered out over the coming days and yes they can live in Canada and U.K. during the ‘transition period’. How long will the transition period be? It was a very thin statement. Can’t wait to see if Tom Bradby pokes his head above the parapet again, he went quiet fast when Harry was linked to that statement with William. Doesn’t mean Harry didn’t suggest to Tom that’s what he wanted to put out, just that Harry had to capitulate. Tells you who has the upper hand in the negotiations.
I’m looking forward to the royal commentators giving their insights into what they think it means.
Maybe the BRF could give him a shot of "anti-Viagra" ?!?!
Brits, please keep us posted on commentary thanks.
@Vince: Meghan has absorbed and digested Harry. All that’s left is a shell. He is under complete dominance and control of a woman with a profound case of narcissistic personality disorder also known as NPD. For some eye-opening appraisals of Meghan and how she operates, check out the 8 (and counting) commentaries titled A Very Royal Narcissist on narcsite.com.
I completely agree. This transitional period can mean so much. They haven’t said they will be working royals, no mention of anything specific, whether titles will remain or etc. Just that they can leave. What’s ‘unsaid’ speaks volumes to me.
@ Knitwit , I agree with most of your numbered theories, but it was the 12th one that stopped me in my tracks. Regarding eggs and sperm, who controls what happens to his sperm bank, if at all its in a bank? The wife? Markle ? Unlimited possibilities what can happen here.
Just as curious as everyone on what the " verdict " is going to be tonight.
I don't think Markle left the baby in Canada. Just my thoughts. She very well could be in the radius of Britain, not near enough, perhaps outer regions . Also surely she would have been seen leaving or flying out.
@ mom mobile , food for thought as you said....which reputable news agency will do that tell all. I doubt any would.
For that Disney voice over payment. I think she was going to take the payment but with all the recent press about Andrew using his Royal connections, I think she tanked that idea and donated the cash.
To me the worst crime has been committed already. Blackmailing the Queen. Markle may end up with everything she desires, but nobody will forget that she blackmailed the Queen. Markle has acheived remarkable notoriety for someone who wanted to be famous.
As for the marriage, I don't think there is talk of a divorce just yet. Pardon the pun, but staying married is Markles "Trump " card. She will just have to get used to organising her life around Harry's little blue pills.
Jonny Dymond
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51084706
“There is no application form for the Royal Family. No interview, no appeal, few in the way of entrances or exits. It is that strange lottery, an accident of birth.
But to stay royal you have to do two things. Serve, and survive.
You have to do some service. Some of it ceremonial, and often dull. Some of it - if it involves celebrities or travel - less dull. A lot of it is woven into the civic life of the UK - openings, namings, lunches and dinners.
You have to survive. You have to aid - and certainly not threaten - the survival of the House of Windsor and the British monarchy.
It's not a bad life. It is a constrained life, often unchosen. In exchange for a pretty comfortable standard of living in perpetuity, you lose a lot of choice.
But you must do these two things if you want to remain a royal.
And it's not clear that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex really want to do either.”
(Snipped)
Thanks for the reminder of the paltry few 'proofs' we've got that the Sussexes have a son called Archie. Given Megsie's addiction to Instagramming every moment of her life, it's very, very odd that she hasn't given us a few more photos. His cute infant days are very limited. Pretty soon he'll be walking, if he isn't already, being closer to 13 months in my opinion . . good luck getting merchable pictures from a racing toddler:
-May 8: Archie is presented at Windsor with Meghan & Harry
-May 8: Archie with HMTQ, PP, Meghan, Harry & Doria
The Queen obliquely acknowledged these events, so I suppose I have to accept that there was a real baby on her premises that day.
-Mother's Day: Archie's feet
-Father's Day: Weird black & white photo of Archie with Harry's fingers in the way
These Adventures in Photoshop do not qualify in my book as legit photos of Archie. Particularly the doll feet, as several people close to Windsor say there are no fields of Diana's favorite bluebells in the area. And also that the weather was soggy and unconducive to posing with a live baby outside.
-Archie's Christening photo in Green Room of Windsor with Meghan, Harry, Doria, Kate, William & Diana's sisters
Um. Deeply suspect, this. I believe Meg and Harry sat on a couch with a cute baby but still not sure there were actual witnesses.
There is also the B&W closeup shot of the 'loving parents' and Archie. Ditto.
-Archie at Polo with Meghan
Pretty d@mn sure this one was a doll. Very stiff and inert for a baby outside on a warm day. Bit odd that he did not stir for the better part of an hour. Also, clock the faces of anybody around the Refugee from a Couture Tent City Madonna and her inert bebe, including Catherine and family friends, the Gilkses. Kate: bemused WTH!!! Mrs. Gilkes: profoundly disturbed at mental woman wandering round polo ground clutching a doll
-Photo exiting private plane after jaunt to South of France
Dangling limb limbs on very blurry tot. Nope.
-Archie with Meghan & Harry eating at some pub in Windsor
Archie doll deployed with Minge and Ginge stand-ins. Else, why so blurry? Pub was 'deserted', on a Bank Holiday weekend. Sure.
-Photo of Archie with toboggan with dangling pom poms as Meghan & Harry arrive in SA
Live child. Cute. Very big and good neck control for 4 month old. Overdressed, even if it was winter in SA. 'Winter' means . . . mid to high 60s in AM? Copying Diana's iconic photo exiting Scottish plane in Balmoral for Christmas with 2-month old Harry in bobble hat--check.
-Desmond Tutu- "Live Archie"
Real boy. Socks much too small. 4 month old getting ready to cruise, by the looks
-Archie being cradled by Meghan in airport in SA
Probably. Got handed off to the nanny once out of camera range.
-Archie in black & white gif Christmas card
That's a good one!
-Archie with Harry in "Canada"
A blogger on CharlDuchess claims to be a photo editor and directs us to look at Harry's thumb against the baby in particular. I looked . . it is out of focus and a weird flattened shape. Plus there's the fact that Haz seems to be either standing on or walking on water in this shot.
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All in all, Meghan, a pathetic display. Showing us candid shots of your real bouncing boy would have earned you so much good will and might have mitigated some of the charges that you are a Liar Liar pants on fire. But you didn't do it. Because you couldn't . .and don't spin the tired story about Feed Time! from your own (multiply adulterated) breasts again. If you were really breastfeeding a child, he'd be sucking plastic at every Feed Time.
Oops. Trudeau spoke too soon. Something tells me the whole thing will boil down to who pays for their security. It is going to be a very hefty bill, much more than it has been so far.
Charles will need to increase sales of the Duchy produce to pay for the scroungers. Looks like not many governments will want to risk their a***s by using taxpayers funds to guard two former royal nobodies.
‘Duke and Duchess who? Queen refers to 'Harry and Meghan' in statement after Sandringham summit - as fans question whether it was a gesture of warmth or a hint they will lose their HRH titles.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7882783/The-Queen-drops-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-royal-titles-particular-statement.html
@NeutralObserver, thank you. I am not getting my feelings hurt, but I just wanted to hear straight from Nutty about whether she thought me leaving was the solution. She doesn't, so I'm not :) There is more on the last post if anyone has any questions on where I stand.
"This is stage one. We tried to talk Harry out of throwing his life away over this bimbo but you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. So, he's going to leave. This is a family, not a prison. After Harry signed an agreement to give up titles and public funding, we ***therefore*** agreed to a timetable where Harry will be phased out from public life in the UK, but not from our family. We don't expect to see Meghan again but you never know because she is crazy."
One new point brought up is that when HMTQ says "my family" she means her personal family, not official family of The Firm.
That's possible. We're talking about a man who only scraped 2 A levels with 'help' from his teachers. I also heard that the next step for him in the army would have been a desk job but hapless didn't fancy that. Either way, he certainly never took any steps towards leaving the royals until you-know-who came along. What would he do? He has no skills or qualifications whatsoever.
I thought Harry was essentially told he had to leave the Army by the Army. Insubordination, was going to be "advanced" to "desk job" but couldn't cut it because of written tests....
HM used the `Granny card ', if I dare demean it like that, in her Diana speech, when the crowds(mob?) were at the gates (stirred up by the Press I might add).
It worked. it was a sharp reminder that there were two young lads up in Scotland who had just lost their mother and who were a damn' sight more important than the whingeing masses who'd been goaded into complaining that she wasn't `showing that she cared' by racing back to London from Balmoral.
Diana died Saturday night/Sunday morning. HM was severely criticised for sticking to schedule on Sunday morning and everyone going to church as usual, with the minister preaching the sermon he'd already planned.
What were they supposed to do? Stay inside & wail? Rend their garments? Pour ashes on their heads? Get plastered? Have a party? No, keep calm and carry on. That's what we do. Go through the motions when we're numb and don't know what else to do. The press screamed as if going to church was some sort of punishment for the boys; at best it might have been a spiritual help, at worst a welcome distraction.
A lot has been made of their being made to walk in the funeral procession. Apparently, it was Philip who realised that a huge gesture was needed to mollify the crowd/potential mob. He, Charles and Earl Spencer might not have been enough, although that would have been usual. So Philip is said to have somehow invited the boys. I can't remember what his words were supposed to have been but it struck me that they appealed to a developing sense of manly solidarity and the boys agreed.
Likewise the fuss about the lack of a flag at half mast on Buck House, mischievously got up by a Daily Express reporter, it seems. My father taught me when I was very small that the only flag ever flown there was the Royal Standard, and then only when the Monarch was literally `at home'. A flag is flown at half-mast to symbolise Death's flag flown above it. In a hereditary monarchy that can never happen - the moment a monarch dies, the next comes into being.'The King is Dead - Long Live the King'.
The Union Flag was installed on Buck House only so it could be lowered at times of national mourning - and to avoid deliberate misunderstandings.
The fact that the meeting was even shorter than advertised, and the Prince of Wales left half an hour early does not bode well for the idea that the BRF signed off on the list of extortions without comment so that everybody could knock off and have tea sandwiches.
When your grandmother meets your act of global betrayal with the reply that she will shoehorn in a meeting with you, her erstwhile beloved grandson, to discuss 'your terms for separation' between her breakfast and her teatime, but your destruction of her monarchy is under no circumstances going to cause her to miss her tea . . I dunno . . I read that as her not taking your tantrum all that seriously.
Harry is either roaming at will punching out walls or they have administered him a sedative.
Highlighting two paras that give me hope:
1) "My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan's desire to create a new life as a young family."
A deliberate attempt to display a unified front amid speculation of anger from within the ranks, particularly from Prince William who was 'incandescent' and Harry's blindsiding of him in his decision to quit.
Her Majesty's reference to 'Harry and Meghan', rather than 'the Duke and Duchess of Sussex', as is protocol for official Palace statements, could be an indicator the couple are poised to be stripped of the HRH titles.
2) "It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK."
A grey area where the couple will begin to gradually wind down their duties and begin to forge a new life abroad.
Note that during the, when referencing the transition phase, the couple are referred to as 'the Sussexes', indicating they will keep their titles during this window.
So there's that... (apologies if this has already been posted. these comments move at lightning speed!)
Historian Robert Lacey told the BBC Radio 4's PM programme the Queen's statement following the meeting was unusually personal, with several references to "my family" and "my grandson".
"It is remarkably hands-on. I mean it may have been processed through officials but this is the Queen, speaking to her people and speaking about her family, and I think coming right through it is the concern she feels," he said.
Instead of using the formal titles of the couple - the Duke and Duchess of Sussex - the Queen simply called them "Harry and Meghan".
(Snipped)
And within the article:
“The Queen's regret is obvious'
Analysis box by Jonny Dymond, royal correspondent
This is a remarkably candid and informal, almost personal, statement from the Queen.
Her regret over Harry and Meghan's move is obvious - she would have preferred them to stay in their current roles.
But she also makes clear that they are still royals and that they will be valued in the family as they become a more independent couple.
There are buckets of questions outstanding - on their future royal role, their relationship with the rest of the Palace, on who will pay what (not, the Queen says, the taxpayer), and on how Harry and Meghan will support themselves.
There's still a lot to thrash out and to agree on. Not all of it may become public.
And it looks like the Queen sees this as a process, not an event. She writes of a transition period when Harry and Meghan divide their time between Canada and the UK.
The Queen has asked for decisions to be made over the next few days. But those decisions may well be up for review in the coming months and years.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51099102
Dear Dorothy Parker re horticulture:
`You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.'
Interesting. Expect to see stories like this popping up in the papers, now that the gloves are off and the press have nothing to lose by unleashing everything they've got on this pair of chancers.
HMQ has totally disrespected the public. I really think she's lost it and the monarchy is on borrowed time.
Completely agree. Instead of showing decisiveness and intelligence of a leader, her statement sounds short-sighted and flaccid. By mentioning family so many times throughout, I believe she wanted to say it's a family matter, and the public doesn't count. Even if the Harkles destroy themselves in this 'transitioning period', none of it will be seen as the merit of the Queen or PC. No wonder Philip left.
https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-harry-net-worth-2018-4#plus-prince-harry-served-in-the-british-royal-air-force-for-10-years-4
"She was also earning a five-figure income from endorsement deals and sponsorships. I guess she needed Harry to kick it up to six-figure (I read $50K with endorsements and merching)
And here's what they need to continue to live their to-the-manor-born lifestyle:
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-money-meghan-markle-prince-harry-need-financial-independence-2020-1#home-meghan-and-harry-reportedly-spent-nearly-4-million-on-home-renovations-2
They are not referred to by their titles.
And to me the most interesting part is where it says "they do no wasn't public money."....THEREFORE, it has been agreed.
Agreed, it's making it hard to follow the conversation
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
And I'm with the Nuttiers who agree that this was an awfully short between lunch and tea meeting for such a big discussion. This doesn't make sense...
@tatty, that’s not what’s being said on our telly news in Britain. They say there’s still lots of unanswered questions. Reporters said more ‘might’ be revealed over the coming days.
Looking for Knives
DYAN
...
And I wanted a map, I got directions back home...
I went looking for knives, And I was looking for you
And I wanted a rush, But they're giving me time...
I went looking for body, But they're giving me thin
I was hoping to sail though, But they're making me swim...
Anyway, I blame Hikari, but these lyrics seem spot-on relevant for today, and apparently, the song was used on a show called Lucifer? Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.
If their titles are gone, Rach is out totally. Somehow Harry promising her, "but I'll still call you "princess", Princess", isn't going to be quite enough IMO.
So, @Nutty, if I may be so bold as to suggest a topic for an upcoming post:
Federal Express or UPS -- Which Carrier Will Rach Use to Return the Rings?
@Swampwoman etc. ditto on no work done. I'm actually frozen and iced in today which as just as well because I would have burst waiting on news till 6ish!
There was going to be no punishment or vengeance. Harry is family. They are not going to do that to him. At present, to punish Meghan would be to punish Harry, and even then, I don't think they are vindictive people.
No one can force Harry to remain a working royal or to remain in the UK. I am sure they tried to persuade him, but he knows he loses Meghan if he chooses those things (heads up Harry ... you are going to lose her anyway).
The statement makes it clear that they will live without public funding. I still predict that there will be payments made from Charles and the Queen to assist them in setting up home elsewhere (gosh, Charles must be tired of reaching into his pocket for those two). I don't think they will get the ongoing funding from Charles (equal to what the Cambridges get and sometimes more ... the selfish, ruthless entitlement of that woman is astonishing). Income from the Duchy of Cornwall, although not legally stated anywhere, has been intended for the heir (will be next monarch) and his/her heirs. Harry is not going to be king and is stepping down as a working royal and even leaving the country so he does not qualify for funding from this source (and the British people have made their opinions about this quite clear - the people living in the Duchy of Cornwall work hard to make that money).
The transition phase and living part-time in Canada (we assume) and the UK is to try and keep Harry close as long as possible and to allow time to sort out tax issues. Long-term, Harry will not be able to keep Frogmore without signing a lease and paying rent. When that arrangement will kick in remains to be seen (how long is this transition period?).
I think Meghan is going to lose HRH. This is not spite but practicalities. She is not a British citizen, is not going to reside in the UK, and is not going to represent the royal family. (I hope they make a new rule that titles will not be awarded to anyone marrying into the family who is not a British citizen and has nothing to earn such an honour.)
I doubt that Harry will lose his HRH (some tarot readers disagree with me on this).
The Sussex titles are problematic (Meghan really wants this, and she has branded it and trademarked it as Sussex Royal). The symbolism is actually not significant. She was messy with details and someone in Europe has applied to register trademark for the name in that jurisdiction. Megsy does NOT control the whole world (her grandiosity trips her up every time). There are hundreds of businesses and trademarks out there using the word royal. I am sure the press will do the research and publish some fun articles about that (and the BRF will make it quite clear, over and over again, that the Sussexes do not represent them in any way). Megsy also has no connection to Sussex at all, so comedians and the media can have a lot of fun with that as well.
The BRF know that citizens will not be happy to pay for security in the UK or Canada. It is complex and expensive. The BRF will want Harry to be protected (and that includes protecting him from the devastation of harm to his wife and child). I have no idea how they are going to solve this one, but the statement seems to indicate that they will NOT get publicly funded security.
It's all smoke and mirrors. Royal theatre. The palace knew public sentiment was running high - and not in favour of the Harkles - and needed to be seen to be doing something. The statement is basically a fudge. Not sure how anyone can see it as saying that the Harkles 'won'. As I said above, I think any major announcement is going to be delayed until after Harry's appearance (his last as a royal?) at the rugby world cup draw on Thursday.
What if the entire BRG is in on the media lawsuits and H+M need to move out of the country to bolster their case and show the mental anguish they experienced in the UK. The transition period is non committal and could be the expected length of lawsuit, where after they win, they can go back to U.K. with presumed much milder coverage of them.
How nuts is that?
If one is having panic attacks and are suffering severe anxiety, one seeks the help of a mental health practitioner and accepts treatment.
Ragland has been 'really worried about Meghan... and is relieved that her daughter is putting her mental health and well being first'
Meghan, 38, admitted to struggling after the birth of the couple's son Archie
The friend explained Meghan was 'miserable in the UK' and 'wasn’t sleeping well and started having anxiety attacks about her future'"
They also said Meghan has no 'intention' to return to the UK to live permanently, saying: 'She doesn’t want to raise Archie there and she doesn’t want to schlep back and forth'
Prince Harry is set to follow Meghan across the Atlantic later this week with no clue of when he will be returning
Now across the pond, the friend said of Meghan: 'This was her plan all along, to eventually leave the UK and build her own empire with Harry'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881909/Meghan-Markle-support-mom-Doria-Ragland-miserable-UK.html
Who among us (who have to earn a living) does not feel "tethered by our responsibilities?" Give me a break!
Wouldn't we all like to have the privileges, help, and "freebies" that H&M enjoy?
They are BEYOND ridiculous in their demands.
This is kind of ambiguous though.
Even the Harkles said they would no longer get the 5% of their funding which comes from unambiguously public money - the Sovereign Grant. That leaves open the vast majority, which is from the Duchy of Cornwall. The royals would argue that this is 'private' money but many would disagree. There's also the very thorny issue of their security, which could rise to maybe a million quid if they are 'dividing' their time between GB and Canada. And that is 100% taxpayer funded.I think they'll find a way round this by having Charles fund their security like Andrew does for his daughters. I really cannot see taxpayers either side of the Atlantic being happy to reach into their pockets to support these chancers' lifestyle choices.
Referring to them as 'the Sussexes' also undermines the 'Harry and Meghan' earlier in the statement. As does the remaining valued members of my family. The only wriggle room I see here is 'my family' as the royal family has a public and a private sphere. This would indicate remaining in the family in the private sphere.
Overall, it's the word salad we feared.
How nuts is that?"
Off the scales.
>>>Maybe you dont have to post songlyrics in this blog? It takes up a lot of space and have got nothing to do with the subject we are discussing.<<<
Actually we've found some that are extremely apropos to the Dumbarton Debacle, if you study the lyrics. Haz's toxic love imbroglio has a lot of echoes in popular culture.
Just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
The transition period is curious. Is it simply a practical matter of giving them time to make money to stand on their own? Does it have anything to do with taxes or loopholes? It is in preparation or expectation of the inevitable divorce (I have always considered this as an option with the caveat that they could make it ten years or so)?
Panic attacks and anxiety: two of my kids have it, one worse than the other. Aside from therapies like the eye movement therapy (emdr I thin is what it’s called) and meds like beta blockers and antidepressants, etc, they don’t just go away. I have had a few in my life and once one starts, there is no stopping it until it decides to end.
Now I know what we & Kate will be singing after a few too many Contemptinis! Hit it, Wills!
EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE (I'll Be Watching You) (William's ode to Meghan. He's tight with MI6 now)
NeutralO Shortening that to say blog space :) so, re this: "Don't worry about American opinion, remember what we did to your Hanoverian ancestors?"
IMO they have to worry about American opinion because merching. This needs to be a thorough job done and the Sussex Stop & Shops shut down globally. US is Rach's intended market. They're going to blow that up, and I think the merde is going to be thrown at the fan, BRF style.
They (Harry) is still welcome in the family (lower case letters).
He will need someone to pick up the pieces when she leaves him.
There will be a transition time for legal reasons; Meghan will never come back to the U.K. and they are unsure about Harry.
FFS she's talking about a country which, for all its faults, is one of the most progressive liberal democracies on earth. You'd swear she was in North Korea. To insult an entire country - which has given her an awful lot more than her own country ever did - is shockingly arrogant and incredibly rude. She is an appalling person and it says a lot for Harry that he has allowed this grifter to treat his family and country like this.
Without Britain and the British people, she'd be just another D list actress pushing 40 and begging for supporting roles in Lifetime films.
1. “My family” vs “My grandson and his family”—and n’er the two shall meet. She draws a distinction.
2. “Harry and Meghan” = not royal. I’m with KayeC on this. What happens to SussexRoyal, then? HRHs?
3. Canada and UK “during transition” means not both beyond the transition
I still think the marriage is over. I have no idea if there’s an Archie but I agree with the poster this morning who said the RF would have made damn sure an endangered baby was safe and secure before doing anything else.
Suck it, Meghan. You got a big fat stall tactic, the Queen called you by your common name to the whole world, and your famous friends have learned enough about you that they do not want your association.
@design doctor seriously. DH grew up poor (2nd generation American) and I grew up with mentally ill parents who had spending issues where our home and our lives were always in jeopardy. Not a good way to live. This is why DH and I are overachievers and yes, are teachers to our jobs and our responsibilities. DH is a workaholic. I’m a hustler, but I find balance between my side jobs and doing things like sitting here in pajamas obsessing about people who have nothing to do with me).
My eldest I should have named Harry, except he is super intelligent. Boy won’t get a part time job while he is at university. I am about ready to put him in a car and drive him up and down the highway (big city) and make him go in each establishment asking if they need help. This kid enjoys a relaxing lifestyle with no stress. Has zero drive to get off the meal ticket. We are about to come down hard on him, but he is the one with extreme anxiety, so I do feel for the RF with having a somewhat delicate situation to deal with. This kid is going to be late to launch, and I have admitted that I feel he is going to need a type A woman/mother to marry...Uugh.
>>>I wonder if the Queen will ever see Archie again. Probably not.<<<
An even better question is "I wonder if anybody will ever see Archie again?'
I am in the school of thought that thinks that Meghan hightailed it out of Britain with her her filched couture and wigs, but no Archie. I might be wrong, but in my view, if a demonstrably unstable and vindictive woman had a vulnerable baby 4500 miles away from his Royal family, I would think they would play softly, softly catchee monkey with her and at least pretend to go along with her demands in order to get the baby back.
I have yet to read Archie being a salient talking point in these discussions, though it may resurface again in a divorce. If someone as negligent as Meg had control of the baby, thee talks would have gone more her way to make sure she did not harm the baby in retaliation.
Yes, I believe she would do that.
I do not believe the Harkles were permitted to take an infant out of the UK on an extended break to God knows where and the attendant security nightmare. One posed photo of the baby and Harry does not prove he was there then or is there now.
Still waiting for the full truth about Archie Mountbatten-Windsor. When the BRF releases what they know about him, that will be the Kraken.
Yours truly guessed last week that Meghan was filing for asylum. You have to do that at the embassy in the country where you were last in residence.
Does not surprise me at all.
Read me out...
If Harry and Archie stay in the line of succession, there will be no Kraken released. Suppose Charles gets cancer or has a heart attack and dies either before his kingship or shortly after. William becomes king. Like PP’s sister, what if (GOD FORBID) they all fly together and the plane crashes. Harry and Archie are now up. In this far fetched but theoretically possible scenario, Archie would become king one day.
They will never release the Kracken because of this.
If Archie was 20th in line, maybe.
I still think they left Archie (who names a baby that?) behind so he couldn't be kept in the UK. Now thinking Smeg is avoiding the US due to tax issues... the IRS wants their money!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/465885826856296/permalink/2464133543698171/ regarding PH and Sparkles.