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Why the Royal Family can't cut the Sussexes off

Although numerous polls of the British people suggest they'd like to see the Duke and Duchess of Sussex lose their HRH titles and funding from the Duchy of Cornwall, cutting the Sussexes off entirely is impossible, and the Royal Family knows it. 

It's impossible because Harry is vulnerable and could end up in a gutter - quite literally - without the support of his family. 

(As the Prince William character says of his family on the TV comedy series The Windsors, "These people are like budgies. Let them out of their cage and they'll be eaten by the first animal they see.") 

And it's impossible because social media makes it impossible to control information that might be released about the Royal Family by Duchess Meghan. 

True information, false information, it doesn't matter.

Meg can just make it up, release it on social media, and someone will believe it. 

Since the bananas

Social media has been a key player during Meghan Markle's two-and-a-half years of acknowledged connection to the Royal Family.

She first hinted at her relationship with prince Harry with an Instagram photo of two bananas cuddling; when she closed her lifestyle blog The Tig six months later, it was seen as a sign that the relationship was getting serious. After the engagement, Meghan closed her Instagram and Twitter accounts, something her supporters later described as the former actress being "muted" and "losing her voice."

In the run-up to the May 2018 marriage, social media in the form of the Daily Mail comments was the first sign that the British public was not entirely behind Harry's choice of bride. 

Meg "clapped back" with a team of PR posters paid to defend her on the DM comment boards, along with some vicioius Twitter bots and perhaps some pseudonymous Twitter accounts of her own. She also seems to be the person behind anonymous messages to the notorious anti-Meghan Tumblr blogger Skippy.  (A few anti-Meghan bloggers were doxxed, although Skippy was not one of them.) 

Meanwhile, the Meghan's Mirror Instagram and Twitter offered lightning-quick information on where to buy whatever Meghan was wearing that day. So quick, as a matter of fact, that they must have had advance notice of what would be worn, likely by someone who would receive an affiliate fee. 

Very confident in her abilities

Ultimately, Meg was allowed to start an official Instagram account again, the much-derided @SussexRoyal, which has been used to trumpet the Sussexes' achievements and offer lukewarm birthday greetings to members of the Cambridge family. 

Meg feels confident in her social media abilities, so confident she apparently writes much of the @SussexRoyal text herself without the benefit of a copyeditor. 

She also appears to enjoy do-it-yourself Photoshop, as displayed on the Sussexes' bizarre last-minute Christmas card.

Why is is this important?

Because social media is Meghan's insurance policy for the future. 

Deference to the Royal Family

When Edward VIII, then Prince of Wales, met Wallis Simpson in 1931 and they became lovers,  the British public knew nothing about it. 

Foreign newspapers wrote freely about the developing romance between the prince and the then-married American socialite, and Brits abroad delighted in cutting out clips and mailing them to family back home, but British newspapers did not report on the situation out of deference to the Royal Family.

US newspapers arriving in London had articles about the situation removed with scissors. In the case of Time Magazine, pages were ripped out. 

The public only learned of the nascent constitutional crisis involving the not-yet-coronated King in 1936, when a local Bishop mentioned it in a sermon. After that, the gloves were off. 

No photos of Royal children

The British media still shows some deference to the Royals today, such as the de-facto ban on publishing candid images of the Royal children, whether they are taken by paparazzi or the public. 

Various older Royals are also rumored from time to time to be having extramarital affairs, but this is also kept out of the papers unless some event forces the question, such as the theft of then-married Princess Anne's letters to her lover Tim Lawrence. 

(Super-injunctions also help enforce this deference, the "articles removed with scissors" of the 21st century.)

But social media shows no deference. Anyone can write anything, and it's up to the public to decide whether or not the statements are credible. 

Credibility and rumor

The rumor of an affair between William and Rose Hanbury was invented by a blogger in Utah who has never met anyone from the Royal Family and was inspired by photos she had seen in the Daily Mail; they were given additional weight by a Soho House habitué and Meghan pal named Giles Coren who said "everyone knows" about the affair. (Coren, ironically, was recently bullied off Twitter after making a distasteful joke about a gay journalist.)

But "a lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots," as Churchill once said. 

Some members of the public still believe the thin gruel of the Rose rumors (Enty lawyer at CDAN is one of them). Certainly Meg's fans enjoy adding rose emoji's to Tweets taunting Duchess Kate. 

How much more power would such a rumor have if it came from the Duchess of Sussex?

What she could say

Rumors of an affair are one thing, but the Duchess of Sussex could also cause havoc with innumerable other types of accusations - and they don't even have to be true. 

Creating quotes or otherwise suggesting that members of the Royal Family are racist, sexist, or homophobic is an obvious tactic, and given Meg's hatred of the Cambridges, they would be her number-one target. How delicious to damage the heir to the throne by crediting him with some vicious statement that would always be believed by at least a few people. A little mud always sticks.

She might also Photoshop embarassing images and release them, or cast aspersions on the Cambridge children, and true or false, whatever she said would follow them for decades. 

Meg's a viper. She doesn't have to win, as long as other people lose. 

Social media makes it possible, and unfortunately makes it very easy. Some people will believe anything, particularly when they want to. 

They need something they can take away

This is why the Royals must always keep Meg onside, at least nominally. They need to have something they can take away - an ongoing income, a title - if she misbehaves. They cannot leave her with nothing, because they will then have no leverage over her.

The only other alternative, if I may be so bold as to say it, is to neutralize her. 

(Sensitive souls should look away now.) When I say "neutralize", Ari Behn, Andrew Burkle, and Jeffrey Epstein come to mind. 

Controlling information about herself

Ironically, despite the growing power of social media, Meg seems obsessed with controlling what the traditional media say about her.

Her lawsuit against the Daily Mail is ongoing, as is Harry's lawsuit against some newspapers involved in an ancient phone-hacking scandal. The Duchess has long worked with People Magazine to promote her side of the story. 

And on their personal website, the Sussexes say they would like to remove themselves from the Royal Rota of traditional-media reporters in favor of "grassroots media organizations and young, up-and-coming journalists." 

In other words, small-potatoes types who will be so flattered to meet us that they'll write what we want. 

Hey Sussexes  - you can cut off the Royal Rota's access to your events, but you can't prohibit them from writing about you. And if you don't have anything to trade, they're likely to be harsh. 

Traditionally Royal reporters temper their stories in order to maintain access. If you've already removed access, why should they bother? 

The Gayle King interview

There's been some suggestion that the Sussexes are planning an interview with Gayle King, who has been responsible for two previous (low-rated) specials on the pair. 

Are the Royals worried about this? A little, perhaps, but Gayle King is an establishment journalist and a somewhat responsible gatekeeper. She'll let Meg say, "I never really felt welcome in Britain" and suggest that Meg is unpopular because she is (a little bit) Black. 

But she won't let Meg go full-throttle. She won't let Meg say crazy, damaging, or demented things about Princess Charlotte or Prince Louis.

Social media will. Let go from the Royal Family, Meg will waste no time re-establishing her accounts (there are suggestions that the "Meghan-ish" accounts popping up means she already has) and becoming an ongoing thorn in the side of the Royals at a vulnerable time, during the transition from a beloved monarch to a plummy and unpopular successor. 

The Royals will pay her off, or they will pick her off. We'll see which.


Comments

Glow W said…
I just did a sussex roundup on twitter:

Richard Palmer, nothing
Dickie Arbiter, nothing
Emily Andrews, nothing
Victoria Arbiter, link where she and Anderson Cooper discusses MM and racism: https://mobile.twitter.com/victoriaarbiter/status/1216006621341589504

She is also hitting back at critics and said no one knows who leaked it.

Max Foster CNN, nothing
Rebecca English, nothing
Richard Eden, nothing

Dan Wooton, the theories about how he got the story are untrue and irresponsible. Royal commentators (daily mail link) say Harry and Meghan can expect no mercy. Meghan and Harry might have to bow to Kate and William if their titles are taken away. Fascinating details about why Harry and Meghan went rogue with statement (usmagazine.com link that says they were forced to prematurely announce)... so basically a lot of tweets but nothing new.


Some of these reporters had the statements from the Queen and PC to Canada expressing condolences over the Iran plane shot down. I did not include those since not about The Sussex.
Humor Me said…
Neutralizing them/ her would be taking away Sussex Royal. That is her baby more than Archie. Everything she has set up is around SussexRoyal. Let them stay. Let them be HEH Prince And Princess Henry of Windsor. Give them an allowance. But no merchandising. Let’s see how long Meg stays.
none said…
So don't let the Harkels go to keep MM under control and ultimately save Harry and the BRF.
CatEyes said…
Someone said, maybe the 'One who supports the Harkles-No-Matter-What-they-Do'

>>>I believe he would be VERY marketable as a speaker. Maybe not on the payment schedule of former presidents, but as a very high profile speaker, yes. (And if he breaks free eventually from a toxic marriage, then even more to discuss as a triumph).

I see it now: Prince Harry: how to make lemonade from lemons<<<

Horse poop, and lots of it. Harry can't even string two coherent sentences together as he needs to rely on his wife's word salad. How has that gone over? Like a lead balloon. He wasn't asked to give speeches before his embarrassing break from the BRF so why would him, being damaged goods now be expected to be sought after now.

He can't even get dressed for an appearance much less show up and mouth the words a teleprompter shows him (remember his bizarre mumbling stumbling laughter or crying jag a couple of weeks ago). I know 10 years old who could do a better job of giving a speech w/o a teleprompter, Oh maybe the magic is in him being barefoot, how royal is that.

Harry is a dolt, in the past, a miserable twat in his current state and will probably be an abject failure in the future.

Besides Harry doesn't have anything to say of value anyway...what. I and my trashy wife can tell you how to treat your loved ones with contempt and get paid for it. He and his message stinks to 'high heaven'. May God have mercy on his soul.
My vote: Pick her off like the parasite she is.
Nutty Flavor said…
An alternate method, of course, would be to so thoroughly destroy Meg's reputation that whatever she says bears little weight with the people who matter.

An audio or video of Meg shouting racist statements, for example, would destroy her credibility with the right-on types who are supporting her now.

What did she say to Melissa Toubati while throwing the teapot?
Marie said…
@cateyes, I also think they'd be immensely popular as public speakers. They're no better than the speakers at some of these third-rate conferences I have to attend. Just because we're able to see through their empty phrases doesn't mean most people are. And Harry was paid to give a speech, that barefoot stunt he pulled in Italy, during the big private jet in 4-day thing.

Harry is still a popular royal with many, as his army days and laddish stunts still make him relatable and likable. Also consider that climate change and gender equality panels would completely fall over themselves to have both of them. These topics are popular with many corporations with deep pockets who want to seem progressive and forward-thinking in order to attract the top talent from the elite unis where such views are popular. Hence why Harry was even invited to that climate retreat organised by Google in Sicily.
Nutty Flavor said…
Dan Wooton, the theories about how he got the story are untrue and irresponsible.


Wootton has been buddies with Christian Jones, the Cambridge's press secretary, for quite some time. (Some say that they were or are more than buddies. Wootton is openly gay.) That would seem like the obvious leak. It might not be the actual leak, however.

Anyway, the fact that Meg and Harry were likely headed out the door was obvious to anyone following the story, even casual observers like me. Wootton just needed someone to confirm.
SwampWoman said…
Good thing for her that I don't have a vote on whether to neutralize or appease.
KitKatKisses said…
The Obamas are denying that they are advising The Harkles or that they've been in contact with Harry...

https://mobile.twitter.com/SPerryPeoplemag/status/1216076058304417793?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Nutty Flavor said…
@Marie, I agree that a lot of speakers work on name value alone.

However, Harry appears to be unreliable. The Royal Family has to put up with him when he shows up in stained or wrinkled clothing, apparently intoxicated, and gives a strange and emotional speech.

Private bookers do not have to put up with that type of behavior. One or two mess-ups and he will never be booked again.
Marie said…
@Nutty, I am absolutely shocked that they haven't done more to reveal Meghan as being manipulative and vain, particularly in getting Harry to be unhappy with his happy accident of birth as it suits. That Telegraph article by Simon Heffer hinted at it. But I suppose it's harder to "prove" that, although her former agent and her maid of honour/former best friend have certainly proved it to me. Ghosting her dad is one thing as is losing touch with a childhood friend, but having that childhood friend be your maid of honour and then ghosting her in 2015? Or refusing to communicate with a former agent who you went on vacation with and who was only involved in organising your humanitarian and charity speeches? That's cold.

Marie said…
@Nutty, I hope they start to blame his wife for his increasing erratic and fragile mental state. But I do fear that the Royal Family instead will be to blame.
Jenx said…
Re: megan-ish is registered to a "progressive" web hosting company in Toronto. Throws. "For nearly twenty years, Elliot has loved and championed the Internet as the greatest agent of positive change the world has ever seen." Sound familiar?

I have no idea at this point what they will do with the slippery viper. She has the advantage of seeming to have no empathy and no conscience. I think she is more than a narcissist.

I did see a meme that was a screen shot of GPS directions for MM with the No Tunnels option chosen. Dark, very dark.
Jenx said…
*** Tucows not Throws!!
KitKatKisses said…
Interesting thoughts, Nutty, and an angle I had not considered.

The bargaining chip might be Archie...as in, the BRF could say, if you toe the line we will not let the truthabout archie be known, and we will pay for his upbringing...
SwampWoman said…
Well, KitKatKisses, it appears that the rats are deserting HMS Sussex. Aren't the rats supposed to know when a vessel is sinking?
Fairy Crocodile said…
This is probably a symptom of "ostriching" royal family is famous for. They always hope the problem will go away. Normally instead of going away it gets worse and hits them like a brick. Edward's abdication did. Diana did. Andrew too.

Eventually they will encounter something that will topple the firm. May be Sussexes is it.

I used to respect the Queen but now I catch myself thinking she really never acted decisively. She kept silent. She never interfered into anything even to help her own children or sister. Everybody sings praises to her but imagine if she had to actually run the country like a President or PM? That would be a total disaster where action is required.

They say she puts duty first. Now it feels she puts her grandson first. One of the distant royal relatives said they divide the world into "us" and everybody else, making no distinction between a PM and a baker.

Harry is the part, everybody else isn't. Harry is put first and hell what the country is thinking.
Glow W said…
Daily mail says deal within 72 hours, wrap up within days
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7875973/Prince-Harry-time-securing-best-financial-deal-family.html
Nutty Flavor said…
@KitKatKisses,

The bargaining chip might be Archie...as in, the BRF could say, if you toe the line we will not let the truthabout archie be known, and we will pay for his upbringing...


I don't think she really cares about Archie. I think after Harry, Archie is next in line to be ghosted.

Reminds me of Lauren Silverman's 8-year-old, whom she abandoned entirely when she went off to be Simon Cowell's squeeze.
@Marie,’Harry is still a popular royal with many, as his army days and laddish stunts still make him relatable and likeable.’

Not so likeable now and as thick as two planks. He’d ramble on about nothing. Not sure there’d be that many desperados (long or short term) willing to pay big money to hear him. Lol
Jen said…
She just needs to remember, if she can create a rumor by using her friends in the media, so can the Royal Family. It doesn't even need to be the royal family, anybody who is loyal to the royal family can create rumors that can destroy MM. Up until now, they haven't done so because the royal family has it needed their assistance. So she needs to really watch herself. The royal family does have a lot of loyal friends.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Marie

I saw some cartoons his army buddies circulate around. They are not reverential to put it mildly.
Fedde said…
I disagree with neutralizing being the only alternative to appeasement. If the BRF has been on to her for a long time/since the beginning (I doubt it, but others have shared plausible theories), they'd know exactly how to push her buttons.

If it were up to me, I'd vote for stripping them of their titles (including HRH, even if it would require some legal maneuvring), cutting off the money and undo any recent bank transactions just to be safe.

Others in the previous thread have made arguments about why QEII, PC and PW cannot give in to their demands and appear weak. I only hope they themselves understand this and act accordingly.

Without the titles, income and rank/position, there's very little left for H&M. Certainly not love. Sure, they'd get a few offers for interviews and maybe even speeches by organisations who haven't been paying close attention to their performances the past year or so (and who aren't afraid of alienating the BRF) and who knows, maybe a book or two each. Harry could write sob stories about Diana, even though he's admitted he cannot even remember her aside from some vague tidbits (which in his case are more likely "planted" memories from things others have told him about her, very common in children although they're usually much younger and would remember a relative, especially a parent from that age).

Anyway, those offers, the lime light (apparently only traumatizing to Harry when he's not directly paid for it) and cash flow to them/their foundation won't last long. Then they'll grow even more apart if they're actually still living together. Resentment will grow and they'll end up hating and blaming each other for how their lives have turned out.

The BRF can expedite those events by pushing the right buttons. If MM cannot even restrain herself to not throw teapots at staff, imagine what she'd do when all the right buttons are pushed on purpose. She'll go nuclear and it will happen publicly. She'll lose it, will be unable to keep up pretense and show her true colors.

As for Harry? If I were QEII, PC or PW, I'd say let her keep him. He's gone too far and should not be welcomed into the royal fold regardless of how much remorse he might show (eventually). If one or all of them can somehow forgive him because he's their blood, fine, but I doubt the public would embrace his return He could return to the family but not the Royal Household and no royal duties or payroll.
Glow W said…
He’d get a speech writer (but hopefully not her lol)
Nutty Flavor said…
The Obamas are denying that they are advising The Harkles or that they've been in contact with Harry...

There's nothing for the Obamas to gain by associating with the Harkles. Or Oprah, for that matter. Serena Williams also reportedly brushed off questions about Meg.

Why should A-listers align themselves with her? What's in it for them?

Meg will need to look elsewhere if she wants celebrity supporters, particularly with Sunshine Sachs out of the picture.

Since I've started following the thread on Lipstick Alley, I've learned a lot about the rapper "Megan Thee Stallion", who appears to be very popular and has a dedicated following. Perhaps Meghan Sussex should get in touch with her. They could do something based on having similar names.
Phil Dampier twitter: "Stand by for some big developments in the #HarryandMeghan story soon." (posted 3 hrs ago, according to twitter)

Hope still exists.
Glow W said…
“Throne under the bus”: Kate and William might have to do more engagements to pick up the slack
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10716974/kate-middleton-selfish-meghan-harry/
KitKatKisses said…
Nutty, I agree she does not care for Archie (if there is one) at all. Wild hogs are more maternal. My thinking is if the BRF let it be known that she faked the pregnancy, her money making schemes would be destroyed. She would be a world wide pariah.
Nelo said…
@Miller, I don't have hope
Himmy said…
They need to neutralize Meg now. Meg can never be fully satisfied as a narcissist. She will come back for more and more. She is incapable of feeling happiness and enjoying what she has now.

I can see the BRF giving in to buy time for now, but Meg is a ticking bomb. She cannot be controlled. You have to completely destroy her.
Nelo said…
@Nutty, SS still represents the Sussex foundation but not Meghan as an individual
Nutty Flavor said…
Anyway, just from a media person's standpoint, this story is an absolute gift to the traditional media outlets. The Mail and the Telegraph in particular have been running multiple articles every day. Wonderful clickbait at a traditionally slow time of year. Christmas in January for people whose careers (and bonuses) are measured in clicks.
PaisleyGirl said…
As Elle mentioned in the previous post, there is a third way to turn this situation around. Give H&M everything they want and then give the press permission to publish everything they have on Meghan. I think that process has already begun. I see a lot of negative articles on Meghan's narcissism, her running away when things get tough, leaving her child behind on another continent, her greed, etc. It is only a matter of time before the gloves are off and the British tabloids publish everything they have on het yachting, the faux pregnancy, her shady deals...With the Andrew scandal the press also turned out to have a whole lot of dirt they had been sitting on for years. If the BRF just sits back and does nothing, they will not be to blame when the Harkles implode.
Marie said…
@Nelo, but her friend now works at SS. So I imagine she gets some free advice.
Fairy Crocodile said…
I also wonder if royals stayed on the scene because of Philip. He was a no nonsense. Ther e is a story I love.

Soldiers on guard have to salute every member of the RF when they get out. Andrew, then 8 or 9, kept getting out, running up to the guard, teasing him, sticking his tongue out. Every ten minutes or so. The guard got hot and tired in his full uniform doing the formal royal salute every time. Eventually, exasperated, he told Andrew to get lost or something similar.

Andrew ran away and complained to his father. Phillip went out and said: "I understand you told my son to get lost?"

The guard mentally said good by to his career and replied "Yes Sir I did" Phillip asked why. The guard told how events went. With every word Phillip got angrier and angrier. Eventually he turned to Andrew and shouted: "Did you hear him? Do as he says".
Sandie said…
Thanks for the ongoing analysis Nutty. I think you are right in describing what the BRF are probably thinking. However, Meghan cannot be trusted. There is no point in having an agreement with her because she will lie, break any and all promises, and will always be trouble.

What the BRF should be doing is crafting a strategy to counter what she will do. They cannot stop it, but they can come up with an effective strategy to counter/neutralise it. For a start, they should be open and honest, fully, about the deal/agreement (have it in writing and make it public) and just keep using receipts.

Meghan Narrative: Boo, hoo, Meghan has been sidelined and has been left without support and no one asks her if she is ok.

Frogmore Cottage: Here is the detailed list of work done and what it cost, what gifts were given by the family, the proof that they live there for free because the Queen pays the rent for them out of her personal wealth.

Support: Here is a detailed list of gifts given, visits made and support given (detailed list of meals made, number of staff involved, special ingredients required), letters sent, phone calls made during her late pregnancy and after the birth of Archie.

And so on. That sort of information has been published, but it is one article that then is overwhelmed by the Meghan PR/propaganda. Find a way to get this information out there in a way that will be noticed. People do not read details, e.g. American supporters have kept themselves ignorant of the fact that the Sussexes are offering to give up 5% of their income (the freebie money they get) in return for being able to make billions commercially and maybe doing a few royal duties that are to their liking. Tom Bradbury repeating nonsense on behalf of the Sussexes should not go unchallenged. Invite him to dinner/tea (a tactic Diane used very effectively) and point out that what he has said does not make sense and show him proof of that.

The BRF can fight this without resorting to a smear campaign or other dirty tricks. Leave that to Meghan, in the sewer, where such destructive manipulative behaviour belongs.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Nelo, has Sunshine Sachs confirmed that? They told the media yesterday that they were no longer working with Meghan, but I didn't see any reference to the Foundation. The line in The Wrap was "The PR firm Sunshine Sachs said it no longer represents her."
abbyh said…

Social Media - the echo chamber which keeps on echoing without a stop
Glow W said…
For whom does Phil Dampier write?
@nelo - yeah, not all that hopeful myself actually.

also @nelo - were I SS, I'd rather not represent the foundation = pay to play, corruption, and all other types of questionable financial dealings. That's the kinda' stink that sticks to everyone around, including PR firms, should the IRS come nosing around. And while I'm not that into Skippy other than entertainment, that's another angle she subscribes to: MM has/had IRS issues. Wonder if there is a contract to still serve out and that's why they're still around?
Glow W said…
@nutty, apparently they only represented her for the Vogue PR and one other thing I can’t remeember. They apparently didn’t crate Blanche represent the couple or her. If you look back, many reported reached out to them about this or that but Sunshine Sachs never responded. I suspect this is something the rags got wrong: they were never hired to improve her image
Nutty Flavor said…
@Sandie

Good points, but do they fit in a headline?

And, in particular, do they fit into a narrative that can create clicks?

Otherwise those great points are going to be bulldozed by shorter, sexier statements that fit into a Facebook or Twitter headline, or can be expressed via Snapchat. (A lot of under-20s get their news via Snapchat, in particular the DM on Snapchat.)
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Glow W said…
Excuse typos, yes they were hired to do Vogue PR and Travlyst, https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/13023/2019-09-04/harry-meghan-tap-sunshine-sachs.html

CookieShark said…
The Obamas said through a source to People that they are not advising H&M. I am sure they know People is her mouthpiece so I wonder if this is a statement to her.

Does anyone have more info on how she crashed Michelle's book signing?

Celt News posted a video about MM's visit to the Theatre. She said MM blew off a meeting with HM, so HM called the theatre and cancelled MM's visit. MM was escorted out with her photographer. This was the famous "rings splayed" picture. Does anyone have more info on this?
I think the royals could opt for leverage over Meghan. However, she wasn’t remotely interested in keeping to any rules laid out within the confines of royalty, so not sure how that would play out. The leverage being her title would be her bread and butter, so if that’s threatened she just ‘might’ heed any warnings and behave.

All that said, Meghan is setting up her future life (and has been doing so all her life) and knowing she has burnt so many bridges and relationships in her, Harry has to be next on the list, all her ducks are lining up.

I know the royal family have to work out a way to help Harry if he wants to come back into the royal fold full time, so I know he won’t be totally hung out to dry.

There’s been so much speculation in the British press that my head is starting to spin. I’ll be glad when we know what the royals plan is. I did read today that ‘The Queen has reportedly asked for a blueprint that is workable not just for Harry and Meghan but could also apply to following generations including Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.’ Whether any of this is true, who knows!
Glow W said…
https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/prince-harry-meghan-markle-hire-controversial-hollywood-pr-firm-for-travel-organization

(Snipped)
According to a report from British tabloid The Sun, that is what has happened since one of Hollywood's favorite communications and crisis management firms, Manhattan-based Sunshine Sachs, is now representing the Duchess of Sussex, formerly known as Meghan Markle.

The report goes on to say that the move was a “massive break from royal tradition” and “went behind the backs of Buckingham Palace advisers,” all in an attempt to restore her image.

However, in an exclusive statement sent to FOX Business from James Holt of Royal Communications, there hasn’t been any collusion.

“Sunshine Sachs have been supporting us with outreach and coordination in the US around the launch of Travalyst — the global initiative which launched today,” Holt's statement said.

“This is a project being led by Sussex Royal, the new Foundation for the Duke and Duchess — but as we’re still in our infancy and still being established, we felt it was necessary to get external support,” Holt shared about the third-party hire.

(Snipped)

Moreover, Sunshine Sachs has represented Markle in the past when she was an actress on the TV drama “Suits,” according to The Sun’s report.

It also said the U.S.-based PR firm has “been guiding her through recent high-profile incidents, including a guest edit of [British] Vogue magazine,” where she interviewed former First Lady Michelle Obama.“
Sandie said…
They are all meeting at Sandringham (Meghan dialling) on Monday to play Deal or No Deal. It sounds like they are sitting at No Deal at the moment and are hoping to push the dial closer to Deal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10719054/queen-charles-william-harry-historic-summit/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-summons-prince-harry-william-21262742
Nelo said…
@Nutty,Gayle King has just denied she plans on having an interview with the Sussexes.
Nutty Flavor said…
‘The Queen has reportedly asked for a blueprint that is workable not just for Harry and Meghan but could also apply to following generations including Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.’ Whether any of this is true, who knows!

Re: Charlotte and Louis, they could really just go with the plan that is already in place in most European royal families. The heir has a job for life; the spares need to find other careers.

This hasn't been problem free - Martha-Louise in Norway, Joachim in Denmark, and Cristina in Spain have all encountered challenges mixing royal life with commerce - but at least it's a framework.

I believe it used to be said that the first son inherited the property, the second son went into the military, and the third into the church. Perhaps we need a modern version. Academia might be a good place for a Royal, in a quiet field like Flemish painting or lepidopterology.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Nutty,Gayle King has just denied she plans on having an interview with the Sussexes.

Wow, the A-listers want nothing to do with her. They must know more than has been publicly announced. Maybe the real story of Archie?
xxxxx said…
Charles talking-negotiating with Harry has to threaten to cut him off (titles, money) if he goes on a Sussex Royal merching crusade with Megs. Harry knows that Charles only controls the money he gets. Charles must tell Harry, "I will convince the Queen to revoke the Sussex titles. She will do it now or in a few months as I show her how your merching schemes are proceeding" "I will also issue a public statement that Sussex titles can and will be revoked. This will make it very difficult for you and Megs to get people to sign on board your Sussex Foundation and Sussex merching"

So first the threat, then if the Gruesomes proceed with Megs money grabbing schemes, then Charles pulls the titles and the Cornwall cash flow.

Better to do this now and suffer the consequences, because Megs will always be able to torment the BRF family via social media. Which is greatly exaggerated in my book. Cut them off now from money and power and Megs will fade away in social media influence as the divorce probably comes. BUT! When Meg's merching pays off in a few years she will have a solid power base to operate from, with some millions of dollars at her disposal to make her anti-BRF mischief 10x worse.

As far as Harry being "mental", the man has issues, but half of what he is doing is display and fakery. Intimidation by acting out. Mental or not he cannot be allowed to ruin the Monarchy. I have zero sympathy for Harry and Megs. They have made their bed......
So limit Megs access to money and power now!
Sandie said…
A thought: If the BRF give the Sussexes what they want (give in to their demands against the wishes of the British people), when she betrays them (a tell-all interview, a sensational memoir ...), they will not get sympathy.
Unknown said…
Glowworm here: sorry, I say cut them off at the ANKLES! No titles...especially the HRH, NO allowance other than the money Harry’s mother left him...that’s a lot of money and they don’t deserve more. If she starts the discrediting scenarios Nutty describes, start discrediting her...and there’s plenty of dirt. Just start with the mundane and proceed as needed to shut her up.
She knows there are ones out there who are afraid to cut her off for the reasons Nutty has given. As long as she has that to hold over everyone’s head, the longer this nightmare will go on. That’s negotiating from a position of fear and that will not work as she can never be satisfied and will only come back for more.
Marie said…
@Sandie, you're right that people lose the details. I notice that many people in my circle tend to think that they just want to live in peace and quiet off Meghan's "immense" personal wealth and don't seem to know that they are actually fighting to save their titles and earn even more money while still receiving funding from Charles.

@Fairycroc, I wonder if funny posts might actually be the way to create a narrative that gets clicks. I saw a funny one that was a pretend news headline saying "35-year old announces he and his girlfriend are finally moving out of Grandma's house. Announces he will still require his monthly pocket money until he gets settled" over a photo of them plus a photo of the queen with a funny expression.

It makes their grab for independence less a product of a evil, all-powerful monarchy who offed Diana and now Harry and Meghan are the new victims. It reminds people that they are spoiled and asking for more money.
Nutty Flavor said…
Charles talking-negotiating with Harry has to threaten to cut him off (titles, money) if he goes on a Sussex Royal merching crusade with Megs. Harry knows that Charles only controls the money he gets. Charles must tell Harry, "I will convince the Queen to revoke the Sussex titles. She will do it now or in a few months as I show her how your merching schemes are proceeding" "I will also issue a public statement that Sussex titles can and will be revoked. This will make it very difficult for you and Megs to get people to sign on board your Sussex Foundation and Sussex merching"

Charles has lived 71 years with very little in the way of cojones. Will he suddenly discover them now?
Nutty Flavor said…
THE Queen has summoned Charles, William and Harry to a historic summit at Sandringham on Monday to thrash out the Royal Family’s future, The Sun on Sunday can reveal. Her Majesty also aims to sort the Sussexes’ roles, and Meghan could join in via conference call.

No mention of Philip, who lives at Sandringham.
Fedde said…
In addition to the European royals Nutty mentioned in regards to the blueprint for spares, I don't see why Charlotte and Louis must be treated the same as Harry. Having some kind of direction in life is good, of course, but it should be up to parents to guide their children that way.

Also, Charlotte and Louis (and future spares) do not deserve the same treatment as Harry simply because of how he went about it. Not only the public demands but also going against QEII's instructions to keep it to himself and discuss it with his father before coming before her with his grand idea.
Madge said…
PaisleyGirl said…
"As Elle mentioned in the previous post, there is a third way to turn this situation around. Give H&M everything they want and then give the press permission to publish everything they have on Meghan. I think that process has already begun. I see a lot of negative articles on Meghan's narcissism, her running away when things get tough, leaving her child behind on another continent, her greed, etc. It is only a matter of time before the gloves are off and the British tabloids publish everything they have on het yachting, the faux pregnancy, her shady deals...With the Andrew scandal the press also turned out to have a whole lot of dirt they had been sitting on for years. If the BRF just sits back and does nothing, they will not be to blame when the Harkles implode.
January 11, 2020 at 11:04 PM"

I have a feeling that you are right PaisleyGirl. I think this is how the RF will handle it. There were reports between the engagement and wedding that web sites were being wiped of risque photos, and sites wiped of non-flattering info. But as we all know, nothing released into the internet ever goes away. The press have the resources to find it, or are already sitting on the juicy stuff out of respect to the Queen. All the RF have to do is play fair and watch Markle sink herself.

The only downside to this is the level of disgust among the British public who are very angry at the disrespect towards the Queen. Even those who are ambivalent about the RF (and even some republicans) have a soft affectionate spot for our Queen, over 75 years of flawless service to our country. There is a vocal section who will bowl with indignation if they don't get their pound of Harkle flesh, and that could cause some problems. The RF are going to have to find a way to claim the moral high ground.













CatEyes said…
@Nutty and @Marie said:

>>> I agree that a lot of speakers work on name value alone.<<<

If history repeats itself, then Meghan and Harry will have little to show for being paid big money (not chump change) for speeches, Where has their past success been? Oh sure they may have regurgitated some plagiarized quotes and vomited some word salad crap but what of substance? That will not play well with notable corporations and impressive organizations.

I am connected to political and environmental causes and have never seen a single speaker of worth show up barefoot, disheveled and breaking down (from histrionic laughing or crying) pitifully. Meghan could not even pull off a 15-minute presentation on her lousy clothing collection (which she should of been able to talk glowingly about).

Meghan's demographics aren't going to pay $100 much less $250 or more to see their idol. They won't even pay $10 bucks to buy a paperback if she could even get a book ghostwritten.

The best luck she would have is to release a sex tape and a sex-how-to book on how to bag a prince. Harry, could best put his descended testicle on display in said sex tape and write a forward in the sex-tell-all book on how his mind (what little he has) was blown by Meggles 'er talents between the sheets.
Fedde said…
The BRF have seemingly enabled H&M in their every wish and when they were told no and did it anyway, there were no repercussions. If they do try to negotiate H&M's exit with certain conditions, MM will undoubtedly do whatever she wants anyway because she knows the BRF won't do anything to stop or reprimand her - they never have.
xxxxx said…
Nutty-- He has been waiting forever. Now Charles has a fierce desire to be a legitimate King and not King of a merched out Monarchy that is a joke to the average Brit and the UK press. This should fire him up, it sure did as far as sending Andrew to the sub sub basement.
This Sandringham meeting and other H$M exit "negotiations" are Charles' moment to shine and for William to back him up.
Jen said…
Speaking if plaigarized quotes...the living not thriving BS from SA was Gloria Gaynor. Our local news station did an intro yesterday with inspirational quotes from several different people one of them being Gloria Gaynor of "I will Survive" fame. This quote came about when she was talking about her famous song and how it fell into her lap, as though it was a gift from God.
KCM1212 said…
@paisley girl

Or....together nothing they want and give the press permission to publish everything they know.

I don't think any appeasement will work. They simply have to be stopped. I recognize that Harry is a son/ Grandson but to be honest, they created monster by indulging and spoiling him.
Turn the dogs of war (er, press) loose and pick up what is left of him later.

Harry is not getting out of this situation without pain. He will lose his family or his wife (and probably son), or his standard of living. He has already lost his friends, his reputation,and his self-esteem.

To a family member or an addict who asks "How can I help my son ( husband, friend)? The answer is "pray for a quick bottom".

Tough love is still love.
KCM1212 said…
*random "together" there
Anonymous said…
This is a shout-out to all those pro-Ms. Markle who are on this blog (and anyone else). Let’s leave aside the unkempt appearances, the events where she appears that she’s on drugs, and even the stories where she erupts in rages and belittles everyone around her. We will put those aside. We will even put aside the question of whether Archie exists and the pathetic attempts at photoshopping to create a narrative about her and Harry that is false. We won’t even consider any of the above.

But do you really think that this is a moral and honorable person? Someone you’d want your son or daughter to marry? Someone who is documented as ghosting her family, her friends, and even previous husband(s). Whose veneration for $$$ is cloaked behind a bunch of liberal-speak. Note: I am very left. I cannot imagine how any of you in the pro-Markle camp can explain away someone who spends tens of thousands of pounds on designer dresses, shoes, coats, and hats IN ONE YEAR, and has the nerve, the NERVE to talk like she’s shopping at Oxfam for her clothes—because don’t you know that recycling is the way to go. Did she recycle that 90,000-pound dress and make dishcloths out of it? And the nonsense, NONSENSE, about the environment and global warming versus the private jet hopping and the constant revolving display of new coats and shoes? Honestly, would you want to spend any time with this woman? She proclaims that she wanted to modernize the monarchy when in reality she wanted to take it back to the 17th century, where the monarchs weren’t questioned for their gross extravagance or tawdry behavior. She is a hypocrite of the first order, and I want to honestly know how you square this with believing that she has a legitimate place in this family. Or ANY family for that matter.
Sandie said…
There is no Gayle King interview:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10716210/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-agree-to-tell-all-interview-in-us-with-cbs-host-and-pal-gayle-king/

Why take so long to make the denial?
SwampWoman said…
With all those denials from celebrities about being associated with/advising/doing business with MM, it is almost as though some anonymous bureaucrats led her to believe that fame and fortune awaited her and all she had to do was ditch the royal family her denied her merching opportunities. Then, when she believed it and bolted and left the FU manifesto, a few quietly placed phone calls from the palace to the people in question led them to make public denials for they had never extended the support in the first place.

So there she is, in her sinking ship, without so much as a cup to bail with.

She might be willing to make a better deal now.
Animal Lover said…
NY Post is reporting the Queen and Prince Charles will give Harry a generous deal. Not sure what this means. The article stressed Charles is concerned about Harry's well being and has a strong bond with Meghan.

If there is such a strong bond why don't they spend some if the holiday season with Charles?
Sarah said…
Meghan is going to be gone relatively quickly. She’s proven all she cares about is money. Recent revelations have shown that marrying Harry didn’t give her access to great wealth. I bet she thought it would. He’s bringing in around 2 million a year and out of that, they have to fund an office. A successful doctor or lawyer in LA has a similar income. Most of Harry’s wealth and his family’s wealth is tied up in trust funds, land, jewelry,art collections. Meghan wants cash. Quitting the family won’t be a road to great wealth. I’ll be shocked if Givenchy partners with her. She’s a pariah at this point. Next step is ditching Harry in favor of someone wealthier.
Nutty Flavor said…
Next step is ditching Harry in favor of someone wealthier.

@TorontoPaper1, which is enjoying some renewed credibility, said recently that Meghan had already been unfaithful.
abbyh said…

Fredde, good point about Charlotte and Louis not be handled the same as Harry. Let them be themselves and not punished because Harry became a problem. And I think that you are absolutely correct that negotiations are a tad pointless if they are going to do whatever they want even if they were told no.


SwampWoman said…
Aaaargh! Must have had a really bad typo. "her denied her" was supposed to be "who denied her". I know, autocorrect, extremely bad grammar.
Unbeweaveable said…
Alternative opinion: what the courtiers are working on is a solution that doesn’t come back to bite them in the arse with either the York girls now, or Charlotte and Louis later. Nobody cares about what Harry is asking for this week—he’s going to get something that doesn’t give his cousins free rein to merch their own HRH styles, and doesn’t strip the younger Cambridges of their designation in new letters patent.

The peerages he received at the time of his marriage are his for life and then pass to his children unless removed by act of parliament, so she will always be Meghan, Duchess of Sussex until she is married to someone else. Nobody is going to associate themselves with the Sussex royal brand until it becomes clear that there IS such a thing as Sussex royal, and that is has some cachet. Launching your brand with an unseemly public extortion of an elderly woman isn’t a good look.

The other thing to consider is whether the monarchy retains guardianship of Archie. I am under the impression the proposed solution has to have some kind of loophole for when Harry regrets what he’s done and wants to come back, so they can’t put in something irrevocable.

If I were Charles, I would offer them a life interest in Harewood as an income producing property owned by the Duchy of Cornwall. The queen can take back Frogmore.

And finally...how dumb was Meghan to leave Harry by himself with his family right now? She can’t control him 24/7 from the other side of Canada.
Nutty Flavor said…
I am under the impression the proposed solution has to have some kind of loophole for when Harry regrets what he’s done and wants to come back, so they can’t put in something irrevocable.

Excellent point.

I'm sure his family loves him deeply, but they also don't want a "The Windsors killed Harry" story to follow the "The Windsors killed Diana" story.
Glow W said…
@nutty I’m curious what you mean by TP1’s “renewed credibility”... thanks
Nutty Flavor said…
@tatty

@TorontoPaper1 was thought by many to be a clever troll, but much of what it has said over the past month or so lines up well with what we know. It's Canadian embassy visit coverage was particularly good.

Recently @TorontoPaper1 stated that it was actually run by more than one person. Interesting, because some French speakers have noticed native French grammar coming out in its English-language postings.
KitKatKisses said…
WizardWench said: "She proclaims that she wanted to modernize the monarchy when in reality she wanted to take it back to the 17th century, where the monarchs weren’t questioned for their gross extravagance or tawdry behavior. She is a hypocrite of the first order...."

This is spot on!

One of the more hypocritical aspects of their manifesto was how they claimed they wanted to be "progressive"...but upon a quick perusal of the Sussex royal website, I was immediately overwhelmed by how frequently they referred to themselves as "their royal highnesses." Royalty by its very definition is not progressive. If they were truly modern, if she were truly a feminist, they would have already voluntarily ditched their titles.

I have often said, she isn't Wallis 2.0; she is Marie Antoinette 2.0. To spend time in one of the most violent countries on Earth, where people live in such abject despair and poverty, and complain that she is just "existing" and that no one "asks if she is OK..." it boggles my mind.
Nutty Flavor said…
I must revise my earlier statement - @TorontoPaper1 said Meghan had "tried" to be unfaithful, not that she had been.
Glow W said…
I don’t see what you mean though. They said she was denied entry to Canada.
Glow W said…
TP1 also said she ended the year alone, that she has no where to stay in England, a vague BOOM that currently means nothing and that Sunshine Sachs fired, of which there is zero proof other than they appear to be working off and on with both Meghan and the foundation. Her friend is a Sunshine Sachs partner and he was at the wedding.
Glow W said…
Apparently, the big news drop is the Sandringham Summit on Monday.
Liver Bird said…
Sunday papers look terrible for the Harkles. They misjudged the public mood so very very badly, and I'm here for it.
Glow W said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876671/Harry-Meghan-confronted-dire-tax-impact-abandoning-royal-family.html

Sounds like they might be angling to get them to stay by laying out all the tax traps they will have if they move:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876671/Harry-Meghan-confronted-dire-tax-impact-abandoning-royal-family.html

“Palace's warning on Harry's millions: Prince will be confronted with dire tax impact of Megxit at unprecedented crisis summit with the Queen, William and Charles (and Meghan on the phone) - as the monarch fears for her fragile grandson
Senior source said a solution that is ‘compatible' with taxpayers, reality and the Queen’ was being sought
Meghan has been telling friends that move to North America will be welcome relief from ‘toxic’ life in Britain
Prince Harry will be handed documents that will set out the financial penalties for a range of scenarios”
Nutty Flavor said…
I agree, @tatty, that @TorontoPaper1 isn't entirely credible. I just think that they're more credible than they had previously been.

I do think Sunshine Sachs is gone, however. "The PR firm Sunshine Sachs said it no longer represents her" was the statement - that sounds pretty unambiguous.

Sunshine Sachs has a reputation to protect, too, and I suppose they know whatever the Obamas and Oprah and Gayle know that the rest of us don't know yet.
Glow W said…
@nutty
I’m not saying SS didn’t leave, only that we have no statements from them, just a rag said an unnamed reporter said etc.
Jen said…
@Tatty... but you also have zero proof that what they have said isn't true. She may have ended the year alone, you don't know that. Much of what we have heard is coming from her PR, and a lot of it has been proven false. So why do we wait until the dust settles, and focus on what we do know which is very little at this point.
@xxxxx,’He has been waiting forever. Now Charles has a fierce desire to be a legitimate King and not King of a merched out Monarchy that is a joke to the average Brit and the UK press. This should fire him up, it sure did as far as sending Andrew to the sub sub basement.’

Exactly this, and I stated something similar on another post. He’s waited his whole life for his legacy, his legacy is in jeopardy, he’s just not going to roll over and see it ruined by some z -lister actress. Something will be put in place for Harry if he chooses to return though, (see my comment further up the thread).
Sarah said…
Elton Kohn is the only one publicly supporting them.
Nutty Flavor said…
Interesting about the tax angle. I suppose Harry has never had to think about taxes in his life.
KCM1212 said…
Another point to consider is that the RF *might* be able to keep Megs from trashing them through, well, extortion. But the amount for such services will go up in proportion to her other income streams' profitability.

She has the power to damage and embarrass The RF in other ways as well. She will never keep out of the political discussion again. She didn't do that very well within the family. And she loves to hear herself talk.

She is a narc. She is incapable of seriously entering any agreement, even if she wanted to and the other party is paying her or has blackmail. She cannot help responding when angered, or threatened, or its Tuesday. There is no impulse control at all. She sees herself as strategic, and a long range planner, but she is really Ms. Pacman boinging off the walls.


Sarah said…
The Royals brought in the lawyers. It’s a smart move. Educating Harry about the financial realities and keeping their hands clean. “We’d like to give you x but can’t because of y”
KitKatKisses said…
Ladygrayhound 93 on Tumblr has a screenshot of the front page of The Sunday Times with a quote from William: "I've put my arm around my brother all our lives. I can't do it anymore."
abbyh said…
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Jen said…
@KitKat....Diana would be so upset wuth this turn of events. She always wanted her boys to have wach others back, but Harry just stabbed William's. I don't see how that can be forgiven.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Oh Nutty

"Tried to be unfaithful" sounds like there are not many men desiring used goods. Harry fell for her second hand charms but how many serious money pouches would?

Rumor is her first husband annulled the marriage to avoid paying her and it was not contested. He is apparently a solicitor or a lawyer or something to that extend and got her pretty quickly to run with minimal losses.
Jenx said…
Another thought. MM, in front of the world, has tried to undermine the BRF. She had shown herself to be duplicitous, self-interested and money-grubbing. No text required. Her actions have spoken loudly. Who in their right mind woukd ever trust her enough to work with her?

The doors are slamming at an alarming rate. Perhaps, as someone mentioned upstream, she was led to believe she could swagger through any of those doors and fulfill her heart's desires. And, the word went out, and slam. Is Disney next to say Nope?

KitKatKisses said…
@Jen, I completely agree. There was an article in The DM (I think) pointing out how now The Cambridges will bear the burden of the monarchy all on their own, as now there is no one else of their generation to help shoulder it. Harry was always part of the plan, so the "we've been sidelined" is clearly another one of their lies.
IEschew said…
@Nutty, thanks for this thoughtful piece.

How can the RF square this with the very threatening public sentiment that I am seeing, which basically says that if PC caves at all, the mystique is gone and with it support for the monarchy?

The RF needs the press to expose her as a fraud immediately. It’s one way to effectively neutralize her.
Theramenes said…
The Firm may have a nuclear option yet available to it: Place pressure on Harry to request the annulment of his marriage. Such a scenario doesn’t deal with the still required civil divorce, but it would automatically reduce HRH The Duchess of Sussex to plain old Meghan Markle, divorcée, without allowing her to exercise the Diana option. A coordinated media attack on Meghan would also need to be launched – one that that would build on Harry’s reasons for requesting the annulment. Such a scenario would result in Archie being left out of the line of succession. The BRF would probably give him his own title of nobility at a later date.
KCM1212 said…
Ha! Palace sources are saying Meghan may not be able to phone intothe summit Monday because of "time differences"

Uh, yeah.

Why won't she face them? She no-shows the Queen(!), Sneaks out of town, and now won't even phone in? For a call that has a serious impact on her future?

What gives with that?
octobergirl said…
"Meanwhile, Meghan has been telling friends that a move to North America will be a welcome relief from her ‘toxic’ life in Britain."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876671/Harry-Meghan-confronted-dire-tax-impact-abandoning-royal-family.html

Like America is any less toxic or racist? I'm an American and any American wagging their finger at Britain for being racist concerning Meghan better clean up their own house first. America has had a far more racist history.

The Royal Family really needs to find a way to shut this toxic narcissist up. Threaten to strip her titles if she says anything derogatory.
Glow W said…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10719054/queen-charles-william-harry-historic-summit/

The Queen’s former press secretary Dickie Arbiter said tonight: “This is a landmark meeting which is ­absolutely unprecedented.”

A Palace source confirmed they will also discuss the “next steps” for the monarchy, with an announcement due within days.

The meeting will be the first time Harry has come face-to-face with his gran since revealing his plan to quit frontline duties last week.

The Queen, Harry, Charles and William will discuss a hastily-drafted document outlining various options for The Firm.

Meghan, 38, who returned to Canada to join baby Archie on Thursday, could join discussions in a conference call.

We can also reveal that Harry agreed to quit after Meghan vowed not to return to the UK full time.

The summit comes as the royals face their biggest crisis since Princess Diana’s death in 1997.

The Palace source said: “The family will gather on Monday at Sandringham to talk things through.
Sarah said…
She’s a coward. He should divorce her for dropping a bomb and leaving him to deal with it
octobergirl said…
All this would be a lot easier if Harry didn't have a child by her. He's going to be reluctant to divorce her because of the kid.
Liver Bird said…
You opt out of a meeting deciding your entire future because of a 'time difference'? The woman who supposedly sent her staff emails at 5am can't deal with getting out of bed a few hours early?

Are we seriously supposed to believe this?

My guess Meghan was not invited to the 'summit' at all.
Glow W said…
@liver bird I agree. Either she wasn’t invited (and I don’t think she should be) or she will be there the phone.
Rainy Day said…
Charlatan Duchess is interesting. Apparently M&H changed the wording on their website about the level of security they’re entitled to, and Richard Palmer says it was a mistake to assume that early stories of her questionable behaviour were just normal adjustment problems.
octobergirl said…
@tatty Tudor was right then. It was Meghan that precipitated this and probably threatened Harry with divorce. No wonder he hasn't been looking well. He's going to try to make it work for the kids sake.
Glow W said…
@rainy day shoot, now I can’t remember where I read it was the protection officers who said they need same type of protection they have.
Glow W said…
@octobergirl if skippy turns out to be right, I’ll buy her dinner lol. (The sham marriage, broke up before wedding, not together, her getting kicked out RF and divorce)
CookieShark said…
Excellent post @ Wizard.
Liver Bird said…
"It was Meghan that precipitated this and probably threatened Harry with divorce. No wonder he hasn't been looking well. He's going to try to make it work for the kids sake."

It's looking more and more like that to me too.

She's run off to Canada, holding their son as a bargaining chip, leaving him to fight the battles for her, great feminist that she is. She is a disgrace.
abbyh said…

RE: Tax Trap

The quick read barely mentions it but the US taxation would still apply (but probably most of the people aren't as familiar with the US tax laws).

KitKatKisses, the lie of the streamed down monarchy doesn't include them never really held water from when it was first mentioned with the portrait of the 4 current and future. No spouses the clue after that this kind of portraiture was already common message through art.

Theramenes - Wow, really inventive thinking. Very cool.

Disney voice over - with doors shutting, what about Disney? A lot of movies fall through for all kinds of reasons so that door can shut too. And, even if they tape her voice, that is not a guarantee as to how much she will be heard (hint: things still wind up on the cutting floor for animation too) and sometimes whole scripts get rewritten. Disney is not a guarantee for a new start nor does it guarantee anything past that with anybody.

Something else must have been the trigger. Wish Shakespeare was still around to write this one up as a play.
Glow W said…
Ok, the sun’s quote that she vowed not to return to th the UK hyperlinks to this: https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10708821/body-language-power-shift-from-meghan-markle-prince-harry/

I don’t see anything about that in this link.
CatEyes said…
@Nutty Flavor said…
>>>I must revise my earlier statement - @TorontoPaper1 said Meghan had "tried" to be unfaithful, not that she had been<<<

Well if I had a spouse who "tried" to be unfaithful that would be the last thing they tried. unless its walking out the door and not letting the screendoor hit themselves in the ass on the way out" (as we say here in the South).

Probably the potential victim of Meghan's amorous desires is so glad they dodged a bullet with her. lol
KCM1212 said…
Man, I have been stupidly in love before, but I'm a piker compared to old Harry.

Hope he got that DNA test. Wouldn't surprise me if Meg and Archie are "traveling" every time he tried to catch up to them.

Those "tried to cheat" rumours remind me of the way she was acting towards Serena Williams husband in NY.

KCM1212 said…
Theramenes...that is brilliant thinking! Would it work?

Jen said…
The important part of Dickie Arbiter's peace is the statement that Harry only agreed to quit when Meghan vowed not to return to the UK full time. So basically she gave him an ultimatum.
octobergirl said…
@KC Martin Meghan "love bombed him"

At the beginning, known as the Idealization Stage in a narcissistic, abusive relationship, showered with attention and flattery, you believe that you’ve found your ideal partner. Prince Charming will be sure to utilize every trick in his toolbox, to blind you to the control and manipulation, that he is about to assert over you.

He will use flattery, and you’ll bask in his constant attention. There will be promises of everlasting and eternal love. You’ll be declared his “soulmate” and told that he’s never met anyone as perfect for him as you.

Public declarations of his love will be constant. He will claim to share the same dreams, aspirations, and viewpoints as you. Progressing at a whirlwind pace, soon you’ll be making plans to move in together and considering marriage, children; the entire modern-day fairy tale.

Filled with surging love, and breathlessness from the rapid pace of the relationship, scarcely a moment is available to think rationally. Caution will be thrown to the wind because he seems so perfect, and you feel as though you have a deeper connection with him than anyone you had ever met before, or could ever meet again.

http://www.freefromtoxic.com/2015/06/10/decoding-narcissistic-devaluation/
Nelo said…
@Nutty Betheny Frankel is trashing Harry and meghan on her twitter
Fedde said…
Re the tax trap & soft VS hard Megxit: does anyone even want Harry to retain his royal duties, be that part-time or "full-time" (as full-time as they have ever been) after what he has pulled? Do any of the charities he and/or MM were patrons of want them back after their claims of how difficult their royal lives and duties are? Especially in light as most of those charities focus on people/animals who live far less charmed and fortunate lives compared to the spoilt brats?
NeutralObserver said…
Interesting Nutty, yes, but social media can work both ways. Megs can put out lies about the RF, but lies about her can be put on social media as well, & probably already have been. In the US, which has much looser libel laws than the UK, if they anger any segment of our easily riled interest groups, the Harkles could be toast if they're not careful. We don't have super injunctions, & we don't have deference for royalty. However, maybe they do have 'backers,' as Harry Markle blog has claimed all along. I thought it was preposterous, but most of the NYTimes articles on them recently have been as stenographically pro Megs as their pro Iraq War coverage was pro Iraq War, coverage which incidentally, did a lot of damage to the credibility of the NY Times. They've been giving it a lot of space, which I can't decide if it's a political choice or part of their descent into tabloid journalism because they're so desperate for clicks in the web age. I don't remember if the NYTimes gave the Diana/Charles divorce as much attention. My own life was too busy to pay much attention to a British soap opera, & the Times had a lot stuff to cover as well. So the current coverage might be significant, or just a symptom of a news outlet's desperation for readers.

I would be very interested to know what kind of libel & privacy laws Canada has, & perhaps if they do settle there, they can circumvent the US's voracious appetite for dirt on celebs, which is what the Harkles are to us. The RF will have a lot of fires to put out if they don't manage to tie the Harkles hands, or tongues, somehow. Or perhaps Megs has her Harvey Weinstein style intimidation troops already lined up. If so, she really does have deep pockets, & how did she get them? I would be curious to know what names are on the checks that went to Megs which are allowing her to pay her current pr people.

Below are some links to a couple of recent NYTimes articles, which are pretty much par for the course for the Times. The Times did allow some pushback on the 'Brits are hideous racists' narrative in their Times Picks comments, but they closed the comments when they began to be too anti Harkle. The Guardian doesn't allow any comments on Harkle stuff, or anything relating to race or immigration. I think it's sad & revealing that 2 premier liberal outlets limit comments, while the right wing outlets let them fly. Everyone's trying to figure out how to ride the populist tiger these days.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/meghan-markle-prince-harry.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/europe/duchess-sussex-prince.html
lizzie said…
HM's desire to have something that applies to Charlotte and Louis could be sensibly forward-thinking. Look at the life-long friction between Charles and Andrew, the apparently years-long simmering resentment of Will from Harry, and even the issues between HM and Margaret. The York sisters were led to believe they would be working royals for a time when they were younger only to have that change. I don't know that a plan would usurp W&K's "parental rights" as the plan would be The Crown's plan not a plan for how parents treat children.

Could be a way to soften up "incandescent" Will though.
KCM1212 said…
@octobergirl

Thanks! What a shame.

I wonder if she's making calls, telling her pals that "Harry is out, baby, let's set up a meeting to discuss that ..."

The the pal is on the line with their agent "uh,listen sweetie I just heard Harry is a no-go. Let's cancel that...."

xxxxx said…
At the moment the UK Daily Mail has 21 stories on the front page that deal with Meghan-Harry-Royal Family. Many-most are given prominent placement and size.

One DM headline:
Millennials back Meghan Markle and Prince Harry but baby boomers say they're in the wrong: New survey reveals generational divide over attitudes to the monarchy

another DM headline:
Owner of the world's largest collection of Royal memorabilia slams Prince Harry as an 'absolute fool' for shunning his frontline duties
Fairy Crocodile said…
Kate Mansey at DM "A well-placed source said "I have never seen Monarchy is such a bad state"
Make no mistake, it is existential crisis.

Over a 5 dollars brief case girl.
octobergirl said…
@KC Martin I used to think that Harry was totally complicit but after reading up on narcissism, he's a victim suffering emotional abuse. Narcs can sniff out vulnerability in people. Meghan's in the devaluation and maybe even the discard phase of her narcissistic relationship with Harry.
Rainy Day said…
Now she won’t be joining the call on Monday because of the time difference? If she claims it’s because it’s Archie’s feed time I’m really going to spew. How did they think they were going to jaunt back and forth between NA and the UK if they couldn’t figure out what time it was?
ShadeeRrrowz said…
Watch out Megs. Prince Phillip is in the big house now.

"Thankfully for the Queen, she has been able to rely on her 98-year-old husband for support. Prince Philip spends most of his time at Wood Farm, an unassuming cottage on the estate, after retiring from public life in 2017. However, The Mail on Sunday understands he has been staying in the main house since the crisis broke."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876671/Harry-Meghan-confronted-dire-tax-impact-abandoning-royal-family.html

Maybe there's some hope now. It's just sad that at his age in his current health he's been dragged into this.
Glow W said…
Another roundup of twitter:

Richard Palmer:Sandringham showdown for tomorrow’s paper

Dickie Arbiter: Sandringham summit, repair rift at pace

Victoria Arbiter: she is one of the few who has addressed the elephant in the room, racism

Emily Andrews: nothing

Maxfoster CNN: he has a lot of thoughts and tweets: Sandringham summit, DOS expected to phone in, any decision will take time to implement, first tie senior royals have met since announcement, retweeted Elizabeth Joseph who said she has never wanted a meeting dial in so badly, retweeted Roya Nikkhah who said DOC speaks of his saddness at the broken bond with Prince Harry and his sorrow that the RF is no longer a team. “I’ve put my arm around my brother my whole life and I can’t do that any more..I’m sad about that. “ https://twitter.com/royanikkhah/status/1216121535741689856 And retweets from Robert Jobson tax situation and penalties https://mobile.twitter.com/theroyaleditor/status/1216124498711318533


Rebecca English
Richard Eden
Dan Wooton
Phil Dampier
@tatty said…
@octobergirl if skippy turns out to be right, I’ll buy her dinner lol. (The sham marriage, broke up before wedding, not together, her getting kicked out RF and divorce)

Better buy Skippy a big Steak dinner with the best Champagne your little pennies can buy.
1. Sham marriage, as in Meghan never had a vested interest in making it work, she doesn't even want to be by Harry's side
2. Marriage had backers.
3. Harry and Meghan did break up before marriage but then got back together.
4. They aren't together now.
5. She quit the BRF
6. Divorce was predicted (Skippy didn't say it happened yet).
Sarah said…
According to the Sun, Sparkle picked a fight with the Beckhams
Liver Bird said…
How is 'racism' the 'elephant in the room'? Racism is a crime which is taken very seriously in the UK. Can you list examples of the racism Meghan has been subjected to, so they can be passed on to the relevant authorities?
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Fairy Crocodile said…
@Jen

I wonder if RF has a mental disorder specialist to advise them because "I will never come back if you don't leave them" is a textbook narcissist manipulation.

If Harry follows her he will be totally isolated and at a mercy of somebody destructive enough to hammer him into a complete breakdown, possibly suicide.

I don't like Harry but hey he is a human being.
octobergirl said…
So , Meghan not wearing her ring most likely WAS a message to Harry. If you can't come to a deal I like , we're finished. And she's got Archie.
Glow W said…
Rebecca English: extraordinary week in the royal sphere. Monday’s meeting is historic and unprecedented. Good news is family is going to pull together for a solution,

Richard Eden: looks like throwing one’s toys out of one’s pram works.

Dan Wooton: retweets Camilla Long: William strikes the right tone here, disappointment and defeat at the hands of two exhausting, mad, damaged people. The flameout begins https://twitter.com/camillalong/status/1216119513818783745 His comment is: indeed but it’s still and extraordinary intervention from Wills.

Phil Dampier: who wants to be a millionaire? Phone a friend
none said…
@Unknown. Excellent, very clear explanation of what has gone on. The marriage had backers. And now so will the divorce.
Liver Bird said…
I'm kind of curious as to why they came back to London at all last weekend, leaving Archie in Canada. If Meghan's intention was always to go back within a few days, why bother going to London at all? That farce of 'thanking Canada for its hospitality' is even more absurd when we know that she planned to go straight back there. Fly all the way to Canada to thank UK based Canadians for 'hosting' you in Canada, before flying straight back to Canada?

Yup. Sounds legit.
Anonymous said…
If she doesn’t get what she wants, she will lash out with salacious stories on everyone, probably half of them made up. Narcs hate to “lose.” The BRF will have those super injunctions on hand, but I’m pretty sure these wouldn’t apply to the U.S. media market. Already it feels like she overplayed her hand. Which she is want to do. Alienated people left and right from the get go, didn’t keep the merching on the down low, wore inappropriate attire so that the cameras were all on her. She’s literally her own worst enemy. I think that the previous poster hit the nail on the head. An annulment would be a way for Harry and Ms. Markle to save face. Give her a wad of dough and send her on her merry way. Threaten her with charges of treason should she even think about telling tales—not that I think this will stop her—but it might put the brakes on the worst of the reveals. The number one being that Archie isn’t of Harry’s issue.That would destroy her brand. She would be pegged as both a liar with no room to wiggle given nine months of moon bumps.
Jen said…
@Fairy... I think a lot of us have felt that she's been manipulating him this entire time. "What Meghan wants..." and all that. For all we know, the beginning of their courtship was based on manipulation, so I certainly wouldn't put it past her to manipulate him away from his family for good.
Glow W said…
@liver bird that is what Victoria Arbiter said about herself.
Jen said…
@Liver Bird, I think it was speculated that they had to come back in order to do something with their travel visas with the Canadian embassy? Otherwise what was the purpose of that entire shitshow?
CookieShark said…
Stories are piling up that MM had to save Archie from the "toxic" BRF.
Not long ago her family in the States was described as "toxic."
What do they have in common?
Liver Bird said…
Yes but what examples did she give to back herself up? Racism is a very serious accusation and should be supported by concrete evidence. I guess she's a bit like that silly MP who signed the 'leave Meghan alone' letter (wonder would they sign it now?) who couldn't name a single instance of racism against Meghan, despite being repeatedly asked on TV.
Peony2 said…
OK MY 2 CENTS WORTH solution - Send Harry into a rehab to get whatever toxins in his system removed and give him some serious counselling for his mental issues ....the boy is in need of some time perhaps a few months to get back to some sort of normal.

Give the press permission to print every tidbit of yachting stories and porn shoots the girl has been involved in to drive home the point she has never been committed to this relationship.

Print the facts about Archie - is he a doll? Is Harry actually his father/ . Was a surrogate used?

Let the truth come out....strip the Sussex title from them both - and all the privileges of HRH title - Harry will remain a Prince forever - and in time that may bring him . back to the family fold -

But for now its time for TOUGH LOVE .....and no compromises....

Liver Bird said…
@Jen

I don't get that memebers of the royal family would have to take a Transatlantic flight to get a visa for a Commonwealth country! I'm nobody and I've been able to get visas through the post. That story doesn't stand up.
Anonymous said…
Do you suppose the RF is going to stage an intervention for Harry on Monday?
Fedde said…
@liverbird
Wasn't it claimed MM blew off a meeting with QEII to visit the NT (which QEII subsequently canceled and MM was forced to leave)? That might be the reason H&M came back, only MM chickened out.
Jenx said…
Is she trying to mimic Katie Holmes epic escape with her daughter?
Humor Me said…
It's the TAXES!!

DM newest headline as a leak has occurred - dire tax consequences.
- you can't endorse " jewelry "one day and be a royal the next, wearing a watch from yesterday's endorsement. which day is the endorsement.
Taxes on Frogmore
Taxes from Canada depending on how many days they "live" there.
And let's not forget the good ol USA - CA Li FOR NIA (TuPac - California Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBTdfAkqGU
Liver Bird said…
HM is in Sandringham now. I doubt she had planned to visit a theatre in London with Meghan, esp after all that's been going on over the past few months. It's all quite bizarre.
Glow W said…
Twitter:

Peter Hunt: on one level, it’s quite extraordinary that it’s taken this long for the key players to meet face to face. And
It’s worth remembering what the sussexes’ source told @PA: “its in everyone’s interest for this to be figured out, and figured out quickly, but not at the expense of the outcome.


———————-

@liver Bird it is all very bizarre and I have no idea what’s actually going on. As @Jen says maybe we will get something official on Monday.
Lurking said…
Archie was left behind so that the RF couldn't prevent him from leaving the country again. He's a pawn at this point.

It is now a scrum to maintain their funding and nothing more. What they don't seem to realize is that they are funded in exchange for the service they provide. It's going to go over like a lead balloon with the taxpayers if they maintain anywhere near the funding they have received up until this point. Also to consider, if other royals take over their duties, those other royals will need/want/deserve additional funding. There is only so much money to go around and there will be an uproar if Smeg+1 demand more at the expense of other royals.

This is very likely a case of the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Smeg doesn't seem to understand that the UK and Canada have greater protections for celebrities than the US. Our defamation laws are very different and unlike the UK, there is no law regarding using telephoto lenses to photograph people from afar. Anything seen from a pretty much anywhere except property you control if fair game. They are jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
TTucker said…
Theramenes: brilliant.

Annulment worked for Caroline de Monaco and her first husband, who nobody remembers anymore. But there are conditions to it, which should be checked. I think she claimed the marriage had not been consummated, which Harry could only prove if he reveals Archie’s origin... Oh, the irony! Ha ha ha

Then: fate. Or neutralization, as Nutty called it.
CatEyes said…
I don't know if the BRF can get Harry into rehab or a psych eval. because there may be laws which allow him to legally resist. I just tried to get law enforcement to put out a 'Silver 'alert' for my elderly brother with Dementia who walked away last week and they did Nothing! They crassly said "Doh, it's not a crime to walk away from home"
Unknown said…
It’s been hard keeping up with all the posts. It’s a crazy showdown. I appreciate everyone’s input on this.
Anonymous said…
@DesignDoctor, just clarifying in case you didn't see my answer to @AbbyH. I fumbled my words (not for the first time lol),

Moving this over here because it's on the old thread:

>>what Rach has had to do, and that's gotta suck.

Clarifying my own words here: by 'what Rach has had to do', I meant through her own choices of how to climb the greasy pole of Hollywood and international fame. These were Rach's own choices, to be sure, I was just reflecting that Rach probably sees it as what she "had to do" in order to have any chance at fame, so she took the Harvey Wallbanger etc.




@Sandie, wow, to lie about the Obamas, that's sinking low for her. I am not surprised that it is a lie; I'm surprised that the Obamas undid it so quickly. That tells us sooooo much - no one wants near this. How did the Obamas have People mag undo it so quickly? Well, I'm going to reach here and say that it's because PBO & MO carry just a little more weight than the YachtGirl formerly known as .... well, Nutty doesn't like bad language, so I'll stop there lol

https://people.com/royals/michelle-obama-barack-obama-not-advising-prince-harry-meghan-markle-sources/

No, the Obamas are not advising the Sussexes and have not been in contact with them at all.

He has never met Meghan, and she only met her once when Meghan gatecrashed an engagement she had in London.
KCM1212 said…
I don't think Megs wants or expects anything from the RF. She's dropped Harry off and left. He will not see her again. Even if he brings her everything she said she wanted.

She has deliberately blown it all up! She even dissed the Queen in a way that can never be forgiven. who blows off a meeting with the Queen FFS? She tossed Harry to the wolves and left.

She KNOWS she won't get what she asked for. She knew all along it was ridiculous. And now it's "not her fault"! She has her plausible deniability and Harry will be ghosted.

And while the family frets and plans, and Harry worries, she is wherever laughing herself silly and booking flights to Bali.

This WAS the plan. That's why so much of it doesn't make sense!
Glow W said…
@KC Martin the blowing off a meeting with TQ in London makes no sense since TQ is about 3 hours away at Sandringham, which is also where the Sandringham Summit is happening on Monday. I agree with @Liver Bird that I seriously doubt that was a thing.
Fairy Crocodile said…
The s***storm barometer has just fallen lower.

DM has a record that Harry cornered Disney boss and practically forced him to give a voiceover gig to Meghan.

That's brutal. Using his status to get favors for his wife. RIP British Royal Family.
octobergirl said…
ALEXANDRA SHULMAN: Unhappy, grumpy Harry attended a dinner party where there were rumblings that married life with Meghan was not going well - and something had to change

Last autumn, Harry was guest of honour at a large private dinner party in London. The evening was intended to boost support for one of his favourite charities but the Prince was apparently in a foul mood. He was annoyed by other guests asking where his wife was and snapped back that she was at home with Archie – which was where he should be. Guests came away thinking that this was a young man who was unhappy and angry and didn’t mind letting everyone know.

Shortly afterwards, the Sussexes decamped to North America to spend the Thanksgiving holiday with Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland. They stayed there until last week when they returned to drop their bombshell announcement.

For those who were at that dinner, it was startlingly obvious that something serious was up. Either Prince Harry was going to have to find a way to come to terms with his life, whatever that meant, or he was going to have to make a dramatic change

There were rumblings that the relationship with Meghan wasn’t going well, but then there often are when you get a group of old pals together discussing the addition of a new bride to the group. The more charitable guests put his dour behaviour down to parental sleep deprivation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876715/ALEXANDRA-SHULMAN-rumblings-married-life-Meghan-not-going-well.html
Unknown said…
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/prince-harry-meghan-markle-leaving-uk-royal-family-racism-tabloids.html

@Liver Bird The racism narrative and examples they keep citing in American MSM:
- Rachel Johnson, prime minister Boris Johnson's sister, who commented that Markle had "rich and exotic DNA."
- The BBC commentator who tweeted an image of Meghan and Harry holding hands with a chimpanzee and joked that it was their son
- Daily Mail headline "Harry's girl is (almost) straight outta Compton,"

They also keep saying that Meg was criticized for the same things the royals do, i.e. editing Vogue, bump touching
CatEyes said…
@TTucker

>>>Annulment worked for Caroline de Monaco and her first husband, who nobody remembers anymore. But there are conditions to it, which should be checked.<<<

Here in America, one can typically get an annulment for the following reasons:
- Bigamy (if your marriage partner was already married)
- Under the age of consent (and no parent signed for the consent)
- Mental illness which prevenr]ted you making a viable choice
- Failure to consummate the marriage
- Fraud

The last reason can be fraud on a variety of reasons. I actually got an annulment on this basis by a sympathetic judge.
Glow W said…
@Fairy Crocodile OMG I just watched that after you said it. Well, there you go folks, this is proof Harry is right there with Meghan. It was cringeworthy to watch. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Sunnykm said…
MM must have something she needed to retrieve in England before making her intentions known that she will not be returning.
Anonymous said…
Meg's a viper. She doesn't have to win, as long as other people lose.

The perfect tagline for the movie finally made about her after all of the truth is told and she is ruined forever. Because I believe that as @Nutty suggests, this will happen first
An alternate method, of course, would be to so thoroughly destroy Meg's reputation that whatever she says bears little weight with the people who matter.


And then, after that, I do imagine she'll be disposed of entirely in some way, and once again, whoopsy-daisy.
Glow W said…
Correct link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876753/Astonishing-moment-Prince-Harry-appears-tout-Meghan-Markle-Disney-voiceover-job.html
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lizzie said…
Here the annulment rules in the UK re: civil marriage. But HMTQ being the head of the COE might be a wrinkle. Would she go for that in terms of her religious beliefs? (I don't mean she'd have an official church function.)

https://www.gov.uk/how-to-annul-marriage
Fifi LaRue said…
We've heard almost nothing further about Harry's documentary with Oprah on mental illness. It's crickets. Does anyone really think Markle wouldn't have inserted herself into almost every aspect of that documentary? I think the documentary is not going to happen because of Markles' interference and control, and running over Harry. Perhaps Oprah got Markles number.

So many people are denying that they are advising Markle. Quite odd. Markle must have floated rumors to see if anyone would bite.
Glow W said…
@rabbit the documentary is supposed to air in the next month or two
Anonymous said…
It says a lot when the Obamas and Oprah take the time to deny a relationship with the Dumbartons. Most of the untrue stuff is never addressed. This tells me that, besides the obvious lies from Rach, not only do the A list do not want to be associated with Rach & H, they do not want the appearance of connection or to risk damaging their BRF relationships. Again, if W&K were to claim that the Obamas had advised them on Earthshot, would PBO pick up the phone to deny it? I think not. It's a valuable association. For all Rachel's lies, how people are responding to this tells you where she really stands. That said, Meg's a viper. She doesn't have to win, as long as other people lose. Truest thing ever written about her.
Glow W said…
@rabbit well, some time in 2020 according to the two nuts https://www.channel24.co.za/Gossip/Royal-News/oprah-winfrey-gets-candid-about-working-with-prince-harry-on-mental-health-documentary-20200108
Glow W said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7499851/Oprah-says-Prince-Harry-engaged-upcoming-docu-series-mental-health.html
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TTucker said…
@Theramenes, Nuttiers, CatEyes,

Still on annulment: the grounds to declare this marriage null could be “Deliberate deceit about some personal quality“ of one of the spouses. And, in this case, yes, the media and M16 have to disclose what they have on Markle’s past.

Still on annulment: the grounds to declare this marriage null could be “Deliberate deceit about some personal quality“ of one of the spouses. And, in this case, yes, the media and M16 have to disclose what they have on Markle’s past.
CatEyes said…
@TTucker

>>>Still on annulment: the grounds to declare this marriage null could be “Deliberate deceit about some personal quality“ of one of the spouses. And, in this case, yes, the media and M16 have to disclose what they have on Markle’s past.<<<

That would be considered "Fraud" a reason I mentioned earlier.
KCM1212 said…
@cateyes, I got an annulment (from the Catholic Church) after 20 years of marriage based on that "viable choice" clause
Rainy Day said…
The following excerpt is from a Tom Peck column in The Independent. So true!

“Even now, twenty-four hours after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex published their intention to start “working towards financial independence” at the ages of 35 and 38 respectively, their brand new website, sussexroyal.com, does not feature highly in the Google search results for “working towards financial independence”.

For those seeking to work towards financial independence, the collective wisdom of the internet still offers frankly parochial advice: live a frugal lifestyle, grow your earned income, invest in the stock market. That sort of thing. It is, indeed, distinctly possible that the Duke and Duchess’s work towards financial independence has not yet driven the newly financially independent* (*working towards) couple to google the phrase “working towards financial independence”. I say this because there does seem to be a rather large disconnect between what is considered the conventional means by which to achieve financial independence, and the methods the happy couple appear to be pursuing.”
Liver Bird said…
@Elle

Exactly. The only reason any of these celeb 'friends' wanted to be associated with the Harkles was because they represented an 'in' with the royal family. Now that they - or at least she - are on their way out and being associated with them would make it more difficult to forge a relationship with the real royals, their 'friends' are rushing to distance themselves from them. And this is just the start of it.
KCM1212 said…
@rainy day
Hilarious!! Very snarky!
Liver Bird said…
It's not even been a week, and the press are coming for them with a vengeance. It's hilarious.
CatEyes said…
@KCMartin

I was mentioning a Civil Annulment not a religious one. Because in most cases religious annulments don't usually involve a civil annulment. One could get one and not the other, or both and obviously, a civil one is thru the courts while a religious one (in the case of Catholics) is thru a tribunal.
KCM1212 said…
Cateyes...you are so right!

Silly of me.
Anonymous said…
@PaisleyGirl,

I think that appearing to give Rach & H everything they want is the key, not actually doing so. Appearing to capitulate will embolden both of them, esp Rach b/c she is on the narc high right now, all this ego and attention while then allowing all hell to be unleashed, and not just by the press, but everyone who has something. Think of all of the people who've remained silent out of deference to the BRF. Well, no more need for that, so throw down it is.

Also, while an Archie secret would be leverage to use against Rach in the short-term, the BRF would be wise, IMO, to get that secret out sooner or later. Rach is going to be ruined, and once she is, it won't matter if Archie was a faux bebe, it will matter if the BRF remained silent and bought her off with it. That would be royal merde of spectacular proportion, so if Fauxrchie was never a real baby, the BRF is going to have to get that out sooner than later, because it is only in this window that they have plausible deniability still.
Jen said…
Quite honestly, Oprah Winfrey, the Clooney's, and all the other celebrities that were at their wedding are pretty much done when it comes to the royal family. I think they all realize that they screwed the pooch by even being associated with her.
NeutralObserver said…
I think that one of the biggest cards that RF has is that she doesn't sell, she doesn't move product. She never was a boost to ratings or a big box office movie star. When she has caused things to sell out, it's only because of her royal connection. Archie's Boden coat was an instant hit because it's cute, & so is Archie. It was also relatively cheap. Megs just isn't very likeable. The Disney movies she supposedly has voiceovers in won't get bigger sales because of her. Without the royal tie, she's nothing. Also, if any of the unsavory stories about Megs are true, why not just fight back with the truth? If the British public think their queen was played, she won't want to ever come back to the UK, because people will throw tomatoes at her. Can they just give Harry & Archie protection, & not her? I read somewhere that she can't be absent from the UK more than 90 days a year & get citizenship. How will that work for her in her plans?

Megs is exactly what her half-siblings said she is. I want to change my moniker from NeutralO to FedUp.
Animal Lover said…
@ Nelo


@Nutty Betheny Frankel is trashing Harry and meghan on her twitter.

Another laugh out loud moment. All this drama rivals if not surpasses Charles being a tampon.

I read on another blog the NY Times is reporting Charles is requesting Harry pay back the money spent on Frogmore.

Haven't checked it out yet.
CatEyes said…
@lizzie said:

>>>Here the annulment rules in the UK re: civil marriage. But HMTQ being the head of the COE might be a wrinkle. Would she go for that in terms of her religious beliefs? (I don't mean she'd have an official church function.)<<

I can't speak for COE as I am Catholic, but C's religious view of annulment of a marriage usually has nothing to do with civil reasons. Although in my 2nd marriage I was urged by the priest to divorce (due to spouse's domestic violence) and the priest said any man that did that to a woman "Had No concept of a mature marriage" to begin with. I had asked the priest if I should seek a legal separation instead of a divorce but the priest unequivocably said to "get a divorce".
Sandie said…
@Liver Bird: 'It's not even been a week, and the press are coming for them with a vengeance. It's hilarious.'

Yep. Release the Kraken indeed!

Here is just the tip of the iceberg:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876707/Meghan-mission-bag-prince-RULE-world.html

A long article by her ex-PR representative. Balanced but a realistic portrayal of Meghan as ambitious and a user of people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876753/Astonishing-moment-Prince-Harry-appears-tout-Meghan-Markle-Disney-voiceover-job.html

I suppose the BRF are not unfamiliar with senior members behaving in a cringe-worthy way, but it is still amusing to read (and shows that Meghan has been plotting and planning this move for a long time and was not a response to anything external).

By the way, I do not believe the following article (William would never confide in someone who would talk to the press, but if his trust was betrayed, he will find out who it was):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7877331/Prince-William-reveals-sadness-broken-bond-Prince-Harry.html




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NeutralObserver said…
Re: Oprah, she may be fading as a ratings draw, that always happens here in the US, & I'm not in her fan base, but she didn't get to be the star she is by being dumb or anyone's patsy. I just don't think Oprah would let the likes of Megs push her around, unless she thought she would lose access to Harry. Hate to think Harry is such a wimp he would let Megs do that to him.
CatEyes said…
@KC Martin'

No, you're not silly. You would be amazed at how many people don't know the difference. I think it is a shame about not knowing the annulment option (civilly that is) because some people would be able to exercise this option and for those who don't like the stigma of divorce this might ease their mind about leaving the marriage,

I Want To Know, why Meghan's first marriage to Joe was annulled? Did he get it on the basis of fraud?????.
Lanie said…
I've been enjoying reading this mess for the past few days everyone having been a reader here for some time!

re William - this is to The Times. The Times is reputable. This is William allowing his friend to talk and get his view out, promptly, to show how he is feeling without having a KP statement about it. William absolutely sanctioned this, being in The Times.

Meghan is an abuser and a user.
Sandie said…
That article by the ex PR agent for Meghan ... this is the funniest paragraph:

"She took me to one side and emphasised that she had ‘legs as long as a mile’, demanding that our agency do our best to secure her a substantial offer to showcase this ‘asset’."
Glow W said…
The Times just changed their headline to “we have to be team players”
lizzie said…
@CatEyes,

Thanks. (Sorry you had that kind of "insider" knowledge.) 

I did know there's a difference between a civil and religious annulment. I couldn't find anything on the COE's website, mostly divorce was discussed. But I'd think the unique relationship between the monarchy and the COE might be an issue (for the monarchy) if only a civil annulment was sought (assuming that Harry even could be persuaded) Plus there's Justin Welby and he's a loose cannon although silent now.
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