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Why the Royal Family can't cut the Sussexes off

Although numerous polls of the British people suggest they'd like to see the Duke and Duchess of Sussex lose their HRH titles and funding from the Duchy of Cornwall, cutting the Sussexes off entirely is impossible, and the Royal Family knows it. 

It's impossible because Harry is vulnerable and could end up in a gutter - quite literally - without the support of his family. 

(As the Prince William character says of his family on the TV comedy series The Windsors, "These people are like budgies. Let them out of their cage and they'll be eaten by the first animal they see.") 

And it's impossible because social media makes it impossible to control information that might be released about the Royal Family by Duchess Meghan. 

True information, false information, it doesn't matter.

Meg can just make it up, release it on social media, and someone will believe it. 

Since the bananas

Social media has been a key player during Meghan Markle's two-and-a-half years of acknowledged connection to the Royal Family.

She first hinted at her relationship with prince Harry with an Instagram photo of two bananas cuddling; when she closed her lifestyle blog The Tig six months later, it was seen as a sign that the relationship was getting serious. After the engagement, Meghan closed her Instagram and Twitter accounts, something her supporters later described as the former actress being "muted" and "losing her voice."

In the run-up to the May 2018 marriage, social media in the form of the Daily Mail comments was the first sign that the British public was not entirely behind Harry's choice of bride. 

Meg "clapped back" with a team of PR posters paid to defend her on the DM comment boards, along with some vicioius Twitter bots and perhaps some pseudonymous Twitter accounts of her own. She also seems to be the person behind anonymous messages to the notorious anti-Meghan Tumblr blogger Skippy.  (A few anti-Meghan bloggers were doxxed, although Skippy was not one of them.) 

Meanwhile, the Meghan's Mirror Instagram and Twitter offered lightning-quick information on where to buy whatever Meghan was wearing that day. So quick, as a matter of fact, that they must have had advance notice of what would be worn, likely by someone who would receive an affiliate fee. 

Very confident in her abilities

Ultimately, Meg was allowed to start an official Instagram account again, the much-derided @SussexRoyal, which has been used to trumpet the Sussexes' achievements and offer lukewarm birthday greetings to members of the Cambridge family. 

Meg feels confident in her social media abilities, so confident she apparently writes much of the @SussexRoyal text herself without the benefit of a copyeditor. 

She also appears to enjoy do-it-yourself Photoshop, as displayed on the Sussexes' bizarre last-minute Christmas card.

Why is is this important?

Because social media is Meghan's insurance policy for the future. 

Deference to the Royal Family

When Edward VIII, then Prince of Wales, met Wallis Simpson in 1931 and they became lovers,  the British public knew nothing about it. 

Foreign newspapers wrote freely about the developing romance between the prince and the then-married American socialite, and Brits abroad delighted in cutting out clips and mailing them to family back home, but British newspapers did not report on the situation out of deference to the Royal Family.

US newspapers arriving in London had articles about the situation removed with scissors. In the case of Time Magazine, pages were ripped out. 

The public only learned of the nascent constitutional crisis involving the not-yet-coronated King in 1936, when a local Bishop mentioned it in a sermon. After that, the gloves were off. 

No photos of Royal children

The British media still shows some deference to the Royals today, such as the de-facto ban on publishing candid images of the Royal children, whether they are taken by paparazzi or the public. 

Various older Royals are also rumored from time to time to be having extramarital affairs, but this is also kept out of the papers unless some event forces the question, such as the theft of then-married Princess Anne's letters to her lover Tim Lawrence. 

(Super-injunctions also help enforce this deference, the "articles removed with scissors" of the 21st century.)

But social media shows no deference. Anyone can write anything, and it's up to the public to decide whether or not the statements are credible. 

Credibility and rumor

The rumor of an affair between William and Rose Hanbury was invented by a blogger in Utah who has never met anyone from the Royal Family and was inspired by photos she had seen in the Daily Mail; they were given additional weight by a Soho House habitué and Meghan pal named Giles Coren who said "everyone knows" about the affair. (Coren, ironically, was recently bullied off Twitter after making a distasteful joke about a gay journalist.)

But "a lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots," as Churchill once said. 

Some members of the public still believe the thin gruel of the Rose rumors (Enty lawyer at CDAN is one of them). Certainly Meg's fans enjoy adding rose emoji's to Tweets taunting Duchess Kate. 

How much more power would such a rumor have if it came from the Duchess of Sussex?

What she could say

Rumors of an affair are one thing, but the Duchess of Sussex could also cause havoc with innumerable other types of accusations - and they don't even have to be true. 

Creating quotes or otherwise suggesting that members of the Royal Family are racist, sexist, or homophobic is an obvious tactic, and given Meg's hatred of the Cambridges, they would be her number-one target. How delicious to damage the heir to the throne by crediting him with some vicious statement that would always be believed by at least a few people. A little mud always sticks.

She might also Photoshop embarassing images and release them, or cast aspersions on the Cambridge children, and true or false, whatever she said would follow them for decades. 

Meg's a viper. She doesn't have to win, as long as other people lose. 

Social media makes it possible, and unfortunately makes it very easy. Some people will believe anything, particularly when they want to. 

They need something they can take away

This is why the Royals must always keep Meg onside, at least nominally. They need to have something they can take away - an ongoing income, a title - if she misbehaves. They cannot leave her with nothing, because they will then have no leverage over her.

The only other alternative, if I may be so bold as to say it, is to neutralize her. 

(Sensitive souls should look away now.) When I say "neutralize", Ari Behn, Andrew Burkle, and Jeffrey Epstein come to mind. 

Controlling information about herself

Ironically, despite the growing power of social media, Meg seems obsessed with controlling what the traditional media say about her.

Her lawsuit against the Daily Mail is ongoing, as is Harry's lawsuit against some newspapers involved in an ancient phone-hacking scandal. The Duchess has long worked with People Magazine to promote her side of the story. 

And on their personal website, the Sussexes say they would like to remove themselves from the Royal Rota of traditional-media reporters in favor of "grassroots media organizations and young, up-and-coming journalists." 

In other words, small-potatoes types who will be so flattered to meet us that they'll write what we want. 

Hey Sussexes  - you can cut off the Royal Rota's access to your events, but you can't prohibit them from writing about you. And if you don't have anything to trade, they're likely to be harsh. 

Traditionally Royal reporters temper their stories in order to maintain access. If you've already removed access, why should they bother? 

The Gayle King interview

There's been some suggestion that the Sussexes are planning an interview with Gayle King, who has been responsible for two previous (low-rated) specials on the pair. 

Are the Royals worried about this? A little, perhaps, but Gayle King is an establishment journalist and a somewhat responsible gatekeeper. She'll let Meg say, "I never really felt welcome in Britain" and suggest that Meg is unpopular because she is (a little bit) Black. 

But she won't let Meg go full-throttle. She won't let Meg say crazy, damaging, or demented things about Princess Charlotte or Prince Louis.

Social media will. Let go from the Royal Family, Meg will waste no time re-establishing her accounts (there are suggestions that the "Meghan-ish" accounts popping up means she already has) and becoming an ongoing thorn in the side of the Royals at a vulnerable time, during the transition from a beloved monarch to a plummy and unpopular successor. 

The Royals will pay her off, or they will pick her off. We'll see which.


Comments

SwampWoman said…
@ Elle: And speaking of swamps, we are expecting a big winter storm up here with snow and well-below freezing temps and ice, etc. It's always a mess when this happens because of big steep hills all around (google Queen Anne Seattle if you want to get one idea), and I just came back from getting emergency supplies and there is standing water everywhere. It's going to be a giant cluster. I may be stuck at home tomorrow, so if all hell is going to break loose weather-wise, not a bad day!

I probably shouldn't tell you that I'm sipping my cooling beverage of choice on the patio because it is 82 degrees (F) here. My youngest brother sent me a weather map and he's in an ice storm right now. I sent him our temperature and he said he didn't have enough middle fingers to respond appropriately. Perhaps the both of you together could come up with the appropriate amount of digits.


octobergirl said…
AVerySunshinyDay said...
Anybody following this?

https://twitter.com/youallknowme999


Lady Gaga follows that account.
Animal Lover said…
My introduction to M was when I still read Lainey's blog. She is a Canadian gossip/entertainment figure and friend of Jessica Mulroney. Before M&H were engaged negative items starting appearing about Kate on her blog. I've long stopped reading Lainey because I don't want a SJW slant in my gossip, nor do I want a right wing tone to it either. Gossip is an escape.

I fully expect character assassination of K&W from M & her mouthpiece H. Now that I think about it, K has had a bulls-eye on her back for as long as H&M had a relationship because M is very jealous and competitive.

IMO, the Sussex insistence of having a template for future roles to include Charlotte and Louis is their piss poor argument to sell the idea branding of their titles. Charlotte and Louis can be billionaires too by selling their heritage.

When I really started paying attention to M over this summer it was due to satirical comments on another blog. I'm not laughing now. Although she doesn't directly affect my life it's disturbing to read in the USA's major papers her bad behavior excused because of racism n the UK.

Anyone who reads the UK tabloids from the Mail to the Mirror knows they go after anyone. The Mail's coverage of Andrew was relentless including photos of him drenched in sweat at a disco.

It's telling that the Obama's, Elton John, Oprah and Gayle King are backing away from this train wreck. In particular the Obama's still want to be players on the world stage and future King William has more in common with them then the royal Kardashians.

( Hope I got all the typos).
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SwampWoman said…
@ Tatty:

I don't think the RF have anything to do with MM's dysfunction. She has had problems for a very long time.
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Glow W said…
@swamp woman I meant for Harry actually

@BBW I’m willing to guess when it’s done that we all were a little right about something
CatEyes said…

CatEyes said…
@Jen said:

>>>>..Obviously her family can talk, but they could also be sued by her for defamation, so thats a tough position.<<<

No quite the opposite...if Meghan's family truthfully says things about her they can't be held liable. Truth is an absolute defense against lible. In addition, she is considered a 'Public Figure' and that allows even greater leeway for people to say things.
Jen said…
@Cateyes

You and I can know something to be truth, but unless we have proof that what we're saying is truth, we can be held liable for defamation of character. Celebrities and famous people sue for defamation all the time, so just because they are a public figure does not allow people to make false statements about them and damage their character or their reputation. I think all the people who have been sued by Tom Cruise for making comments about his sexuality would argue with you. Lol
IEschew said…
@Bluebell, IDK, do we think they are keeping it mild til they see how tomorrow goes? I want all of it out in the press so it’s clear and there can be an annulment due to fraud (that obviously hinges a lot on where Harry is emotionally—personally, I think Meg believes she is done, never to return to him or BRF), but maybe there’s wisdom in holding cards.

This latest connection to the shelter house is brazen as hell and interesting, given recent HRC meetings and affiliations with William, along with WJC photos released in the DM over the weekend. Seems more complex than we’d all like. What a wicked web and all that.
CatEyes said…
@tatty

I wanted to know what your reasons for the "Institution" (the BRF I assume) is "maybe toxic" according to you. It would perhaps give insights into many of your remarks supporting the Harkles.
Jen said…
When did the press actually really start going after Andrew, wasn't it after the interview? So maybe the Press is waiting to release the big stuff until after they find out what the RF plans...
Ozmanda said…
Yeah i know the BRF is maybe a bit screwed up but certainly wouldn't call them toxic. The actions of the couple doesn't reflect on the whole. Queen Elizabeth has endured so much including wars, fergie, koo stark, at least two children who have caused some...umm..issues as well as the Diana debacle, assassination attempts and much more. Sparkles was always selfish, narcissistic and totally lacking in empathy or the ability to think of anyone other then her own ambitions.

The story about Sparkles almost having a "meltdown" is yet another attempt to manipulate the media and public to feel sympathy when in fact it has also backfired. Their actions are just so bad and self serving the little sympathy left amongst the general public is dissipating quicker then you can say "One dry martini please"

I also find the lack of comments by her so called "best friends" interesting - deserting a sinking ship? (Yes i am looking at you clooneys, Beyonce, Jay Z and Serena).
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punkinseed said…
Anyone think that Megs will have Amal Clooney as her lawyer for tomorrow's meeting?
FrenchieLiv said…
1. skeletons from the closet
@bluebell
We don’t need all the dirty to come out. We just need the relevant & embarrassing things to be released. It must be telling at 1st sight (eg. a video) because people aren’t going to waste their time reading articles full of hidden meanings. They need to be confronted with facts.
At the moment, there are still seen as Romeo & Juliet (impossible love story).
However, if the video of Harry begging Disney CEO was on the frontpage of all major US broadcasters & newspapers, that would kill them.
Everyone would know they have no shame, their behavior is unappropriated and they are greedy.
No company would like to be associated with them because of possible allegations of bribery.
Tonight, I have seen that video (voiceover work) on People’s website (Rachel’s lap dog) and I have to admit I was quite happy.

2. Parenting
I just saw Serena pictures with her daughter Olympia (Serena Williams won today the ASB Classic in Auckland).
Serena took her daughter with her to N.Z because she is a mum and she knows kids are happy with their parents no matter where they are.
Rachel left behind Archie with a nanny in another continent because of jet lag issue….
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octobergirl said…
@punkinseed Amal Clooney specializes in human rights and international law. This might be a conflict of interest : In 2019, Clooney was appointed the special envoy on media freedom by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office
FrenchieLiv said…
@punkinseed
I don’t think the Clooney would speak out against the Firm…
Besides, Amal is s a barrister who specialises in public international law, international criminal law and human rights.
From my understanding, this royal issue might be - for a part - beyond her competence.
Lastly, it was reported Rachel has US PR & lawyers.
Obvisously, Rachel could try to leak that Amal gave her some helpful advice and obvisouly (and particularly at this time) Amal & George would deny any kind of assistance!
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octobergirl said…
There's an article at the DM saying Jessica Mulroney helped the Harkles shape their Megxit plans and the accompanying recent picture shows Mulroney in workout gear in full makeup and lip gloss, lol. I bet she ran outside to be photographed.
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octobergirl said…
Prince Harry will today be warned there are formidable obstacles to overcome before he can stand down as a senior royal.

As members of the family gather at Sandringham for a historic royal summit, their task is to come up with a 'direction of travel' for the prince and Meghan.

There have already been consultations between the UK and Canadian governments, but working out the detail is likely to take weeks or months rather than days.

Behind the scenes, consultations have highlighted a range of stumbling blocks, such as issues of residency, visas, tax and security that may take some time to iron out, depending on what path the couple want to go down

Harry decided to pull the plug on his royal role 'without a thought' for William and his family, according to insiders;
Although the Sussexes will be settling in Canada, their ultimate goal is to have a home and business in LA – but only after Donald Trump is no longer President, sources have said;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879471/Deeply-Hurt-Queen-gathers-Royals-Megxit-crisis-summit.html
Some posters always want to dominate the conversation all day every day. Always the know it all regardless whether it is a specific subject or responding to everyone or chastising those they single out, Like what happened the other day when this person lashed out at an innocent poster they mistook for stalking them. Give it a rest instaed of blah, blah, blah
Anonymous said…
PSA re Unknows and a few Knowns

Recently, I've made it clear that I won't respond to Unknowns unless they are Known Unknowns and then they're not really unknown, so pretty much I'm sticking to that rule.

In addition, there are also a few Knowns to whom I will not respond. I also made that clear with language like "I will not @ you again", and I will ignore you even though the utter lack of logical argument puts me at risk for permanently rolled eyes.

Still, I am a boring sychophant who doesn't want to get in trouble with Nutty, and I don't to waste my time.



@Swampie, your brother must not be an ENTP, because if he were, he'd have figured out a way around his "not enough thumbs" problem. (I'm going to solve my problems with a hologram lol).
Sandie said…
Making money and getting ahead are seen as positive not negative in the USA, so I don't think that embarrassing video of Harry asking the Disney CEO to give Meghan voice-over work would have any negative effect on them. It is not unusual for BRF members to do a spot of work here and there, for a donation to a good cause or for publicity for a good cause. What was shocking about that incident was that it was an inappropriate place and time, and Harry came across as hustling for personal benefit. It is almost as if now and then he sends out unconscious distress signals in public. A pity that no one in his family picked them up nor were able to stage a successful intervention. Other family members have been caught using position to tout for business, but he was in a public place and knew that they were being filmed.

It must be about a 2.5-hour drive from Windsor to Sandringham (?), so Harry is either going to make a very early start or the meeting is not going to start early. I doubt that an agreement will be reached tomorrow, and the details will certainly not be finalised, but I think it is going to be a very upsetting meeting. That Meghan used Archie as an excuse to abandon Harry (even if she was not at the meeting, she could be at home, with Archie, giving him support) when she was quite happy to leave Archie at home to watch a tennis match, attend a society wedding ... this must be something the family are aware of.
Anonymous said…
I will delete my comments re the libel law in the US and UK. I see these things as a learning experience and a way to share factual information, and I always like to know these things, so I assume others would like to know, too, instead of just making it up as they go along, but apparently not, and I don't care enough to put up with the bullying, so consider it deleted.

CatEyes said…
I can take the high road because I'm an INFP, in the rare 1% so I don't have to roll my eyes like a preteen.
Fifi LaRue said…
@punkinseed: No, Amal Clooney will not have anything to do with Markle. The Clooneys have been invited to events with the Queen at the palace or whereever they meet. The Clooneys are intelligent, and have the ability to think strategically. And they are residents of the UK.
3culprits said…
Elle, I appreciate that you share your knowledge with the nutties. Thank you.
Sarah said…
I wonder how real of a threat the tell all interview is. I would assume any news outlet who booked the dumbartons would immediately receive a phone call informing them that all future access to anything royal would be denied them and that they could expect the full wrath of the Windsor’s and being permanently blacklisted. One call can do that. Without his family, Harry no longer has any power.
Ozmanda said…
@Elle - I hope I didn't say something to offend you? If so I apologise but I always look forward to your witty and informed comments :)
punkinseed said…
Elle, I haven't had a chance to read what you deleted. Darn.
In my AP Style Manual I have a copy of the US Libel and Slander Laws. Helpful when I was an editor. I got so sick of people screaming "slander" when they didn't know jack, or that slander is the verbal and libel is the written term. I just blow them off and if they want to they can look it up on their own. The meatheads!
punkinseed said…
Thank you rabbit. Good to know.
CookieShark said…
I wonder if it was their plan to push the button this week, or if MM was set off by HM's cancellation of the theatre visit.
Sandie said…
I think Meghan is super confident that she is going to get everything she is demanding (the 'no negativity' queen!). If she does, it is going to be a disaster. A globetrotter with some made-up Commonwealth position, still funded by the BRF (what guarantee is there that they will become financially independent and what is the timeline?), actually spending her time making money in any way she can, doing whatever royal appearances she wants to and not to be trusted to actually turn up ...
FrenchieLiv said…
Latest news :

1. North America & Trump
“Their ultimate goal is to have a home and business in LA – but only after Donald Trump is no longer President.”
if it's true:
1/ shame on them: they can't represent HMQ abroad, they must be apolitical.
2/ I doubt that those two will still live together in 2024!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879471/Deeply-Hurt-Queen-gathers-Royals-Megxit-crisis-summit.html

2.The no-holds barred interview
“Courtiers are terrified Meghan and Harry will 'go nuclear' and give an interview”.
What does the Firm want to hide? What does Rachel know?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-fears-harry-meghan-air-21267507
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10723889/harry-meghan-oprah-tell-all-interview-threat/

3. The roots of the rift between William & Harry are confirmed :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-prince-charles-urge-william-21267476
“A source said their rift stems from William warning Harry not rush into marriage early in his relationship with Meghan.
Harry apparently saw this as an attempt to “clip his wings” and reacted with “typical -petulance”.
Kate has since tried to play peacemaker by arranging visits to see Harry and Meghan at their home in Windsor.“

4. Communication during the summit:

Harry and Meghan will “ communicate via WhatsApp during mega-summit with the Queen, Prince Charles and William.
She hopes to take part via conference call.
They will also use the encrypted phone messaging app to privately exchange strategies during the unprecedented negotiations about their desire to step back from frontline duties“ .

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10723901/harry-and-meghan-to-communicate-via-whatsapp-during-mega-summit-with-the-queen-prince-charles-and-william/

"Harry is expected to leave the UK on Thursday, after hosting the Rugby League World Cup draw at ­Buckingham Palace."

Good night!
Anonymous said…


Trudy Blue

I had responded to your comment about the stuff that needs to be outed by the BRF and the concerns re defamation, but ended up deleting it because it just wasn't worth it (see above lol). I'll say this instead: what you're reading here about defamation laws in the US and UK is somewhere between incomplete and merde of the bat bonkers, but if you google UK Defamation laws, you'll find some great info that is written in layman's terms, not highfalutin lawyer language (the trend in legal writing is now towards basic language and simplicity, but whatevs). Just putting this out there in case you do want to find out more.


punkinseed said…
@livfrench, thank you for the explanation. I thought the Clooneys were close with Megs and Harry.

Cateyes... uh... careful doing that cuz::: "The words "in propria persona" or "in pro per" are typed where normally it would say "attorney for plaintiff." Judges sometimes warn a party "in propria persona" of the old adage that "anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client and an ass for an attorney."
However, I was a paralegal before I was an editor and I kicked a lawyer's butt on a pro se case once, so it depends on what kind of case it is. The liar still brags that he's never lost a case. I guess his amnesia meds are off. LOL
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CookieShark said…
@ Sandie re: Harry the Hustler at the Lion King Premier

How embarrassing for MM, a Hollywood A-lister (eye roll). Doesn't she have a proper agent to set up auditions for her? If not, perhaps Hollywood Harry would have the courtesy not to shop her talent around while at Beyoncé's movie premier.

But seriously...did he have to bring it up there? Isn't that something that should have been a phone call or an email (not that they should have done it at all).
xxxxx said…
Get ready for boredom. The exciting part was Meghan+H returning, then the MerchDuchess swanning back to her beloved Canada. After picking up some mystery essentials she left behind. Now the so called "negotiations" at Sandringham come tomorrow. Everyone will be tight lipped along with some strategic tidbits leaked. DM and othe UK news outlets will be full of speculations. We will hear nothing definitive. Maybe in a week some bland as pablum Royal pronouncement will come out, listing the terms that Megs and Harry have agreed too. At least one good thing, Megs will not be showing her scurvy arse in the UK for a long, long time and maybe never. Her web published power play has disgraced her there. Your loss will be Canada's gain and maybe America's.

January 13, 2020 at 1:26 AM
Anonymous said…
@octobergirl What a gigantic leg pull! First of all, I find it incomprehensible that Diana would let anyone abuse either of her children. Second, why would they pick someone as INCOMPETENT as Ms. Markle? And also with SO MUCH baggage. If they were trying to control Harry, why would they pick someone with such a background that is picked apart by the likes of you and me. There must be thousands of actresses that could play this "role" and don't have a history that shrieks former aging yacht girl! "And except for the hair, the eyes and the teeth, he is a dead ringer for Harry." There are times when I do believe that they have a Harry double. He appears with tons of hair, then he's super bald. I don't think the Santa was Harry, and I also don't think that the man holding "archie" at the lake front was Harry. Something about the nose isn't right. But anyway, I suspect that the entire lot of senior royals have doubles, frankly. My mother could have been a dead ringer for HMQ. She definitely had the same hairdresser!

And regarding this "subterfuge," which I put in quotes because the more I think about this, the more ridiculous I find it. If they were so determined to put this forward, then all the things that smell fishy around "archie's" birth would have been as normalized as much as possible. But it wasn't. They wouldn't have put forth that she was having their child at home. Oh, no, they aren't. But where? Oh, somewhere. And the dates of his birth! Ms Markle couldn't name a birth date. EVERY mother is given the date when she is supposed to deliver her child. Markle didn't know. And archie had a gestation period akin to a humpback whale. They would have produced a REAL infant, as opposed to trotting out a plastic replica. They would have paid off a doctor (someone on the royal payroll already) to sign a birth certificate. They wouldn't have had Meghan (again, so incompetent) trot out these various moonbumps so that at one day she looks eight months pregnant and the next week she looks two months pregnant. One of the best employees they've ever had? Don't make me howl with laughter. Also, they would have hired ace photoshop gurus that would know what in the hell there were doing and scrubbed off the meta data immediately, instead of only doing it after it was exposed. It beggars disbelief that this was orchestrated. And if, as was obviously implied in these tweets, is all at the behest of the BRF, then they are much better actors than I've ever given them credit for. But I think they would have hired someone who knows what they are doing. Not a narc with her private agenda.

I think this is Markle behind the scenes, planting the narrative that Harry was an abused child and that she's actually his SAVIOR, a role that she would relish. I actually fear for Harry's safety, because this is already hinting that Harry's future is as a suicide. Finally, Harry has dated several women over the years. I haven't heard anything like this from either Cressida or Chelsy. In short, this has Markle's fingerprints ALL OVER IT.
octobergirl said…
@wizardwench I think it's a leg pull, too. Something about the unknown Harry being tortured and abused in the basement of the Palace. It's ridiculous. And the account seems pro-Markle. Wouldn't be surprised if it was her.
Jen said…
@wizard, that was total hogwash. It was amusing though.
CatEyes said…
@punkinseed said:

>>>Cateyes... uh... careful doing that cuz::: "The words "in propria persona" or "in pro per" are typed where normally it would say "attorney for plaintiff." Judges sometimes warn a party "in propria persona" of the old adage that "anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client and an ass for an attorney."
However, I was a paralegal before I was an editor and I kicked a lawyer's butt on a pro se case once, so it depends on what kind of case it is. The liar still brags that he's never lost a case. I guess his amnesia meds are off. LOL<<<

Interesting that you point that out...early on I referred to myself as 'in pro per" which is what an attorney told me to put on my petitions. then down the road a few years I was told to put 'in pro se'. Now I am going with the latter. I can laugh about your win over N attorney,. I wouldn't be surprised if most paralegals could win over an atty. After all it is usually the paralegals who draft the documents for court anyway. I have never seen a single attorney stand up in court and argue a case reciting appellate cases to prove points.I went up against an atty who vowed I wouldn't get an annullme against his client, and I said "Watch me" and I did it! I also went up a judge on his district ct. ruling where he was so inflamed he filed a petition against me, and I won on that too (two wins in appelate ct).

More people should try to handle their simple cases, not necessarily the hard ones like I have done tho. I am just lucky I am a quick study and could read and absorb the law and appelate rulings easily enough after a week of trying.
punkinseed said…
This just occurred to me after hearing again that Megs was keeping a journal of some kind throughout her life in UK and writing down everything that she heard or saw... Well, what if it's more than just "notes" and is more like she clandestinely recorded using some sophisticated spy stuff like in that hit show, "Revenge"??? She had spy cams in secret places all over the place along with other methods of spying and eavesdropping on her nemesis. I wouldn't put anything past Megs. And if she did any of that, MI5/6 would have been onto her and "let" her do it, thinking she was in the clear... Plus, Megs would have no qualms editing recordings to make her claims fit her narrative.
I would imagine that MI5/6 already has everything from their own surveillance and has given it all to the queen and Wills including texts, phone conversations, uploads, vids, etc. because national interest. Now let's see just how well that "no holds barred" interview with accusations of racism and sexism turns out to be shall we?
I think of this stuff as I read a lot of UK history and love the stories about Sir Francis Wallsingham and how he busted Mary Queen of Scots.
Sandie said…
How do you think the family feel about the increasing blackmail threats?

Queen: pragmatic
Phillip: incensed
Charles: gutted
William: furious/sad

And then:

Harry: If I get all this for her, my marriage will be perfect, so I must achieve this
Meghan: I want what I want and have no feelings whatsoever about how this affects anyone else, including my husband and son
xxxxx said…
File this one under pulling the Oprah card. Or the Gayle King card>>>>>>

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10723889/harry-meghan-oprah-tell-all-interview-threat/

ROYAL SOAP OPRAH Prince Harry and Meghan may threaten the Queen with tell-all Oprah interview to get their way at Royal summit

HARRY and Meghan may threaten a tell-all US TV interview to get their way at the royal summit.

Her American PR team is already in touch with major US networks and chat show queen Oprah Winfrey.

The couple could use the TV threat to try to secure a better deal at the Sandringham talks with the Queen, Prince Charles and Wills over their plans to step down from frontline royal duties.

A royal source said: “Harry and Meghan’s people have been reaching out to all the big US networks to explore the possibilities of a sit-down warts-and-all interview.

“Perhaps Harry and Meghan will use this as a negotiating tactic as there is no way the royals want their dirty laundry out in the open.

“Maybe they will get more money if they agree not to talk.”

The source said the couple want to “tell their side of the story” — adding: “Meghan feels she’s been silenced and is no longer prepared to be muted.

"She and Harry feel the royals have been racist and sexist. Her people are actively exploring opportunities.”

Perhaps Harry and Meghan will use this as a negotiating tactic as there is no way the royals want their dirty laundry out in the open.

It is believed Meghan’s team has been in contact with ABC, NBC and CBS and celebrity chat show hosts such as Oprah.
Debra said…
I don't really have anything relevant to add, I just wanted to say that I am an INTP...
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Marie said…
@Elle, your comment is interesting for noting the crucial difference between the US and the UK. I've heard vaguely of libel tourism, where people bring cases to the UK precisely because of that. A bit like the divorce tourism too. I think people forget quite often how the US is so, so different, despite sharing much in common with the UK. All the people crying racism seem to forget cultural differences. If I were to make a cultural taboo in one country, it might be overlooked due to graciousness of the host. But if I continue willfully to not learn about my host-country's culture and complain loudly about how it's so terrible and is different from home, I'd be seen as rude and would receive a negative response. Rightly so. I have to integrate. Someone claiming to have studied International Relations and interned abroad in an embassy of ALL places should understand that.

Meghan probably very much underestimated the differences in the UK culturally, namely that her go-getter, act-first-ask-forgiveness instead of permission attitude is not particularly celebrated here. Another poster also noted that what many in the UK see as a tacky blatant money grab with the Disney voiceover is seen as ambitious and positive in the US. Yet instead the UK gets blamed as being racist.

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Jen said…
@Elle..thanks for sharing that, as always!! I hope my kids NEVER SEE the science behind eye-rolling...
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catskillgreen said…
@tatty....I also have wondered about the poor nanny. Thank God there are RPO officers as witness, I would not want to be at that remote sea location with that wackjob. I hope the child is OK and does not hear much yelling from mommie.
punkinseed said…
Cateyes, that's amazing! You rock! Good for you. That was no easy thing to do. Appeals are hard to win, which is why few lawyers take them on to begin with.
My win was because I proved his claims were outside of the scope of the law. Another one I won is because I proved with a text message that he was lying to the court.
Anonymous said…
@Jen lolololol
Oh my gosh, more self-promotion, Off topic and always me, me, me, me, just like Meghan.
Glow W said…
@elle 😛😀🤔🙄😁
Jen said…
@Elle...I think you were right.
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octobergirl said…
Oh brother "Prince Harry and Meghan Markle feel that they have been pushed out of the Royal Family by Prince William's 'bullying attitude', a insider has claimed."

Meghan Markle has driven the extraordinary move for the pair to step down, a source told The Times, saying: 'She wants to leave ... She thinks: "It's not working for me."

'Harry is under intense pressure to choose. It is sad. He loves the Queen. He loves this country. He loves all his military stuff and I think it will genuinely break his heart to leave. I don't think that's what he really wants. I think they want some halfway house.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879785/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-feel-forced-BULLYING-Prince-William.html

"It's not working for meeeeeee" Said the narcissist. " It's all about me, me, me and what I want. Screw Harry, screw the Queen and the monarchy. "I'm really enjoying all the turmoil I'm causing "she added, "It shows how much I control things."
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punkinseed said…
Elle, I know right? LOL! If she did clandestinely record in any of the royal premises, cars, etc., then that one would think would be a major breach of national security, let alone invasion of privacy of the monarchy. I wouldn't put anything past her. She's vile, has zero sense of consequences so can't think in the abstract like a genuinely normal, intelligent person can.
It's small wonder that she fired staff so fast if she was listening in on them. The woman is a wrecking ball wherever she goes.
Blue Bell Woods, I doubt that Harry is going to be treated with kid gloves this time. No sirreee. He has threatened the monarchy's ability to survive and that just won't do. Harry's arrogance hubris is his nemesis, along with that pathological liar (in my opinion) that he married.
Miggy said…
Richard Palmer: "Interesting stuff from @valentinelow in The Times tomorrow. The paper reports that Meghan wants out but Harry is torn."
CatEyes said…
@punkinseed

kudos to you too. Did the lying text get the person in trouble (as in a fact they lied on the stand about, so perjury)? I think paralegals should be able to assist people with their cases (I think Calif is moving or maybe has allowed them to do so?)

I find it disgusting how so many litigants lie on the stand. Invariably if they can't win on facts, people have no qualms about lying. A case I'm appealing now has the defendant lying, but in the uniqueness of it being appealed to the next level (county court of law, above justice ct) I will have a trial de novo and will know how they are going to testify/lie beforehand (a slight advantage).
Glow W said…
Thanks to everyone who stated what they are. We do have a lot of intuitive here.
octobergirl said…
@Miggy I believe the DM has a quote from the article in my post above.


Meghan Markle has driven the extraordinary move for the pair to step down, a source told The Times, saying: 'She wants to leave ... She thinks: "It's not working for me."

'Harry is under intense pressure to choose. It is sad. He loves the Queen. He loves this country. He loves all his military stuff and I think it will genuinely break his heart to leave. I don't think that's what he really wants. I think they want some halfway house
abbyh said…

I feel like I've just finished a marathon (I had to attend events last night and today which meant I wasn't able to keep up with the posts) now that I have read them.

I did have a brief conversation with someone about H&M and the comment was: Oh, the bolter.

If she removed the baby to protect it from the toxic family she never had, it does make it difficult to be a part time member of the said toxic fam before you get into the implications of choosing the word collaborate with the head of the family. Could be fosty meeting in the hallway but, if otoh, you cannot bring yourself to return the new land where you are (to best knowledge) still trying to become a citizen, that could make the application more challenging when asked why you want this. Soft tax is not likely to be palatable as well as could lead to more booing from the public as miller langhorne brought up). Hard tax, however, would allow them to be really put their words into actions (which, if everything coming out of their PR, should not be hard for them to pull off - personally I'm not believing their PR but they might).

The meeting: If PC is attending late, there is a part of me which wonders if this will be PW's chance to play some bad cop with the hard tax version?

phone exorcism - what? not CoE holy water?

Sandie and Elle - what was said by M to K after Wimbledon ... would M have said something about the rumor of W stepping out as a way to get back about her feelings of having people manage her on both sides of every moment?

Hilkari - nice points about claims of racism in negotiations

lizzie - I think, like you, that H is doing this because he's stubborn and not wanting to admit a mistake, especially one which is so public and was so warned about. I don't think he's realized that to make a marriage work, both have to work at it (not one person doing all the work).

Fairy Crocodile - Jefson comment - the Emperor has no clothes

jen - loved the 007 meme,

Would M cheat, now? don't know but when I was reading the comments back and forth, I was reminded of the scene in Paper Moon where Addie gets rid of her nemesis.

Movies which leads to the whole Disney work so they have some money coming in - I know it is early but there isn't anything up on IMDB yet about her with specific projects (at best just the news that H asked). It will be interesting to see what and when anything gets listed as current or upcoming work.

Tell all show - would only be really good if they did it live and then asked hard ball questions about threatening, creating ill will to everyone, ask for examples of this supposed racism. Otherwise it will be SA all over again but different presenter.

Comments about H/depression and we have to give him this or else. I have worked on suicide lines and we would get calls from the ex partner asking for help because they were told that unless the partner returned, the depressed would kill themselves. It was straightforward: you have no magic powers that will stop someone from killing themselves if they want to. And, they will continue to hold this over your head to hang onto you - is this what and how you see yourself 20/30 years from now?


NeutralObserver said…
The link that @Jenx posted on Megs' social media bots is very interesting, but we all know she's been messing with this stuff. I didn't know royal reporters were being threatened with acid attacks just for reporting facts about Megs, though.

https://www.macleans.ca/royalty/meghan-markles-twitter-bot-network-the-whole-thing-is-a-bit-insane/

The Harkle story has a nexus of race & romance, so I guess that's why outlets like the NYTimes & the LATimes are pushing it, but it's really none of America's business. We are woefully ignorant of what is beyond the block we live on. I don't know if anyone here is old enough to remember when Jay Leno used to do those interviews of dopey LA kids who didn't know who the Vice President was, or some really basic fact like that. Americans' views of how royalty works is based on those dopey Julia Stiles & Anne Hathaway movies, & of course on Disney princesses, which Megs seems to think she is.

I hope I don't start a riot here, but I have to push back a little bit on the idea that the British (or the royal family, for that matter) 'destroyed India.' India is a civilization which has been around for 4-5 thousand years. Did the British do some not very nice things? Yes. Did they take advantage of a situation not created by them & make it work in their favor? Yes. Did they do some things that were racist? Yes. Was it any worse than the treatment that both the Indian & British upper classes meted out to their lower classes? No. The British presence in India was a blip of about 150 years vs. thousands of years. In some ways to me it looks as though the Maharajas & the Indian elites used the British as their middle managers & police force. The British helped establish a modern civil society in India. If the British are so bad, why do so many Indians want to move to the UK, the US, Australia, Canada & other outposts of the English speaking world? The royal family may have gotten a few baubles,(which I believe the queen holds in trust for the nation), but there were plenty more left in India. To say that the British so easily 'destroyed' a great civilization is a disservice to both countries. Hope that I didn't offend anyone, this is JMO.
Glow W said…
I wonder if it’s already over and tomorrow is for show.
punkinseed said…
Elle, thank you for the links. I like to learn stuff, or at least freshen up.
My cousin is a retired WA State Supreme Ct. Justice, so always nice to consult him on things like Community Property Agreement that some dingbat at my mortgage company said was invalid because I'm in Idaho and agreement was done in WA. Haaaa! He showed me where to look to prove if they pushed me further I would be able to cite the US Constitution and would be unconstitutional if they denied it. I didn't have to use it, but still, good to know.
CatEyes said…
@Elle (AKA 'lurking')

>>>I think that someone above is now picking at CatEyes for bragging about her legal prowess.<<<

I guess you are drunk if you can't see that someone complimented me for my court case wins (maybe that burns you up as an atty). You seem just like the old poster known as "lurking" who went off on legal diatribes when I wrote and attack me for my knowledge. How sad! You weren't well recived as 'lurking' so guess you changed your name.

For the record, when a layperson in 'pro se' prevails in a case, an atty always calls it "bragging" , but if an atty. prevails you will call it success. How telling, how jealous!

Lalready asked you to leave me alone so bugger off!
Anonymous said…
@Trudy Blue,

I will keep this brief:

1. Others may speak later, but this is about strategy/PR/timing/etc. Playing all the cards or the best cards before real negotiation begins is usually not advised

2. UK burden of proof makes it difficult. The defendant bears the burden and there are a lot of reasons people are afraid to speak up. Look at the bullying that goes on here, even when facts are presented that are impersonal and completely logical. Now, multiply that by the cluster that is this mess.

@Ozmanda has criminal investigation experience and may be able to speak to this as well. I would be interested in hearing from her.
Mimi said…
tatty, an honest question. How do you feel about Meghan leaving Hairy to deal with this bombshell they dropped? Are her actions the actions of a wife, in love with her husband who wants ONLY what is best for him? Are these demands/threats in his/their best interests?
punkinseed said…
Cat Eyes, YES! It was an unemployment appeal claim. He got audited big time for that and also had to pay fines.
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Anonymous said…
@AbbyH,

what was said by M to K after Wimbledon ... would M have said something about the rumor of W stepping out as a way to get back about her feelings of having people manage her on both sides of every moment?

Beats me, but did you see the photos of them during the game? Not the smiley, nicely "curated" ones, but the ones where Kate is obviously angry and Rach is obviously gloating? Something happened there, and how offensive, because Kate was honestly doing Rach a big favor, and like every insecure, childish, petty, unstable person, took that and ruined it for everyone. If you haven't seen the photos, I'll see if I can find the pics online, but have had no luck previously.
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punkinseed said…
Elle, exactly. Never show any of your cards before negotiations.
Harry is jacked up on some kind of medications I think, which amplifies everything in his life so every mole hill is a huge mountain to conquer for him. Megs knows just how to light him up on "defending her" by using bogus histrionics to fire him up against the big bad mean granny, his brother, Kate, et al et ux et vir, so he is loaded with meds and arrogance hubris makes him full of false pride and stubbornness. He might win a battle or two but he'll lose the war.
CatEyes said…
@punkinseed

Well that was really good!!

I had an unemployment appeal once too and won by default, but nothing happened (that I know of) for him filing a document with false information pertinent to the appeal. I really wanted him to show up as I had a 2 inch binder of information proving my case and just won by a simple default.
Anonymous said…
I'm sure she can't stand to see everyone else happy and having fun unless she is the center of it: "It's not working for meeeeeee" Said the narcissist. " It's all about me, me, me and what I want. Screw Harry, screw the Queen and the monarchy. "I'm really enjoying all the turmoil I'm causing "she added, "It shows how much I control things."
octobergirl said…
@Elle, Reine des Abeilles You know it. It's the same reason she announced her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding.
NeutralObserver said…
@SwampWoman, @K.C, re: phones. I tried to dictate a text about 'balmy' weather & my phone first wrote 'bombing' & then wrote 'ball me,' So frustrating, I had better luck trying to shop in Japan without a phrasebook!

Hope Kate & Wills don't have the same probs when they're abroad, to stay on topic.
Glow W said…
@mimi how do we know he didn’t send her away (for whatever reason)?

We don’t know why she left. We can have suspicions why. We don’t know why.
Glow W said…
@catskillsgreen yeah my guess is they are about to lose another nanny.
CatEyes said…
@tatty

I wanted to know what your reasons for the "Institution" (the BRF I assume) is "maybe toxic" according to you. It would perhaps give insights into many of your remarks supporting the Harkles.
Glow W said…
@mimi also, Harry clearly agreed to leave Archie in Canada, so he is in on the plan.
Mimi said…
tatty, yes, you are right. She might has been asked to leave by him or someone else. OR she might have left on her own, for Hairy to deal with the huge demands and threats that supposedly they BOTH made.
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abbyh said…

Elle, IDK but I just think it is something like that (so painful, shocking and, unexpected) to try to bring K down to to her knees.

Interesting word choices in the DM
they are now describing themselves as "disruptors ... to change the narrative" under David Watkins - their new social media guy. Interesting word choice when you look at what they are doing to everyone around them. And the social media expert who wants to keep the brand from being sullied (oh, what juxtaposition for how they see their jobs). She's going to have her hands full trying to keep things on the up and up (remembering the Tutu merching).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876713/Team-Megxit-movers-shakers-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-great-escape.html

Glow W said…
@mimi personally, I don’t believe she should be there—none of the spouses should. That is the basis for my reasoning.

Could she be making a power play or thread, sure, it could be that.
Jen said…
@Bluebell...😂😂 @ "OMG This is like a soap.opera season finale."

So true!
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Dido said…
Highlights from Daily Mail article on what to expect from the "Megxit Summit" at Sandringham

Queen rises around 7:30 but usually does not leave her rooms until 10:30
Lunch will be served beforehand and the talks should begin around 2:00 pm and end before 5:00 pm (tea time for HMTQ)
So 3 hour window to hash things out in the Long Library-- hopes a series of steps will be agreed to and put into motion

By having the summit at Sandringham, the Queen is hoping to send a message:
1) Not budging from Norfolk (the place she always is during the month of January) if you need to speak with her, come to her
2) Sandringham is a private home, not an official residence (family matter) and she hopes Harry understands the distinction.
(Maybe that she is approaching this as a grandmother first and a monarch 2nd?)

If Harry wishes to speak/text with Meghan, he can step outside of the Long Library to do so.

HMTQ's staff see Harry & Meghan as "ungrateful" and "selfish"

Personally, I think the bit about Meghan not wanting to live in US until Trump is no longer POTUS is a dig at MM by staff but I don't doubt this is how she feels. The comment section is really having fun about this rumor.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879471/Deeply-Hurt-Queen-gathers-Royals-Megxit-crisis-summit.html
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SwampWoman said…
I see that y'all have been without adult supervision for far too long. Sadly, I do not qualify.

@ FrenchieLiv: 1. North America & Trump
“Their ultimate goal is to have a home and business in LA – but only after Donald Trump is no longer President.”
if it's true:
1/ shame on them: they can't represent HMQ abroad, they must be apolitical.
2/ I doubt that those two will still live together in 2024!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879471/Deeply-Hurt-Queen-gathers-Royals-Megxit-crisis-summit.html


WTF? With a friend like that, deliberately going out of his/her way to p*ss off a man with the largest intelligence gathering apparatus in the world, I wonder if it might be a BRF courtier slamming gates shut behind them. OTOH, could be MM herself.
Glow W said…
@dido wouldn’t we all expect the talks to be a Sandringham since she is the queen and is 93 and that is where lives in January? I’m not really seeing it as a “power move” but I guess the tabloids have to make it sound as juicy as possible. Will they next add black and where cowboy hats? Lol

@sirstinxalot did you acquire an unoriginal parrot? Lol🤣🤣
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CatEyes said…
@tatty said"

>>>Maybe it’s the institution that is toxic.<<<

Since you haven't responded I guess you regret saying that and refuse to explain why you think the BRF is "toxic".

That's ok if you changed your mind, but since your an 'empath' and a ETPN (o (something) or other on the Briggs scale I thought you would explain your reasoning since you exhibit such qualities of discernment.
Mimi said…
why do I have a feeling tomorrow’s summit meeting results will add up to just stalling for more time!
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Glow W said…
I’m with you @elle
Anonymous said…
@Mimi

why do I have a feeling tomorrow’s summit meeting results will add up to just stalling for more time!

1. Because Rach & H don't know WTH they're doing?

2. Because the BRF is building their case in the court of public opinion and need more time for the full impact of this to sink in, esp in the US?

Two best guesses
CatEyes said…
I*n negotiations, it is always ideal if the setting is in the party who wants the upper hand (in this case the BRF) and the other side (Harry) should not be made to feel comfortable. Anything that can allow the BRF the upper hand the better such as 1. keeping Megs out of the discussion or the very least her presence, 2. having more people on the side of the BRF (such as having the Queen, PP, C and W) there. versus only Harry 3. Having the discussions in an imposing room and him made to feel uncomfortable, like let him be hungry, drag the negotiations out. 4. Have attorneys at the beck and call of the BRF there. 5. Videotape the process. Those are some starters.

One note regarding Meg not being there, that actually can be a strategic move if handled correctly by Harry, say if the negotiations hit a bump, he can always then say he wants to 'get back to them' and later stall to talk with Meghan. That would allow Harry/Meg to think and strategize before they get back with BRF.
Jen said…
@Elle...you are correct. On all fronts.
KC said…
Blogger holly said...
Odd looking hearing aid the Queen just started wearing. Those invisible-in-the-canal (IIC) hearing aids are generally flesh toned making them "invisible".

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/people/queen-spotted-wearing-hearing-aid-for-first-time-1-9199108

Maybe HMTQ is just being open with her subjects about the effects of aging...She gave up dying her hair years ago (after the 1977 Jubilee year I think), and wears eyeglasses, not contacts.
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Blogger NeutralObserver said...
@SwampWoman, @K.C, re: phones. I tried to dictate a text about 'balmy' weather & my phone first wrote 'bombing' & then wrote 'ball me,' So frustrating, I had better luck trying to shop in Japan without a phrasebook!

Hope Kate & Wills don't have the same probs when they're abroad, to stay on topic.


I'm hoping that the WhatsApp connection works equally well when MM is directing Harry tomorrow. Seriously, I think they'd have a secure room for that.

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Thank you, @Jen.
Anonymous said…
@octobergirl and @Jen I knew it was fake when I saw the words, the "best employee." THAT is when I knew it was either her making this up or one of her flying monkeys is. Ms. Markle patting herself on the back (because no one else will). Just a hint. Go to Moonbump 1a classes. You need a refresher.

Also the whole drama about possibly being killed for releasing this classified information. Narc live for drama. I'm truly in awe with how brave this poster is being.

Ms. Markle must be bored out of her skull. I bet she and Jessica Mulroney are drunk as skunks after ten bottles of Tigarello that she so adores, and she's typing this on her laptop while the two of them cackle away. Also, wow, last picture of Jessica Mulroney. She's heading into cabbage patch doll territory as a result of all that work she has had done. She was an attractive woman before, and now she looks like, well, one of those fake plastic babies. Why do society women think they look better all plasticized like that? It baffles me.
Glow W said…
@elle I’m INTJ. Not many women are.

Someone is obsessive as hell. And you know what? Sometimes people do know it all and know what they are talking about lol. Some can’t handle that I guess.

I’ve been thinking about tomorrow. My out there guess— Charles takes another shot at trying to get them on a farm in Wales. I read somewhere today she is bored at Frogmore Cottage and Windsor. Not sure how much I believe that—- is Windsor a boring place?

She probably wants to be in Canada because that is where her friends are. She probably wants to be in a big city.

I’d take a farm in Wales and say thank you. But I’m not a city person...

Maybe they compromise with them and give bigger house in a better location? With like 4 months in Canada. Idk. Probably a lot of options in the end of they do a soft stepping back.
CatEyes said…
@Nutty

This 'Elle, Reine des Abeilles (which by syntax, legal talk, and copious posts and bullying me resemble 'lurking')
won't leave me alone after I asked her too,

A poster complimented my legal success and she couldn't leave the compliment alone. She said I was bragging and then strangely said someone was picking on me. The only one picking on me is her.

Since she is very knowledgeable of the law, she should be concerned about what she writes but instead writes with impunity urged on by the known abuser @tatty (who many, many have complained about over the months).
@CatEyes

I sympathize with you @Elle (who is so full of herself) attacks you and other weak people gang up like a teenage mob of mean girls.

I appreciate that you asked her to stop and she won't.
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Glow W said…
I’m guessing it’s drinking time or something else time, depending on your preference this evening 😛😛😛
xxxxx said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879785/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-feel-forced-BULLYING-Prince-William.html

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'feel forced out by BULLYING William,' friends reveal as they claim the Duchess is 'determined to leave' but her husband is 'heartbroken' over severing royal links
Meghan decided 'it's not working for me' and pushed Harry, insiders revealed
Harry is said to be torn between his love of Queen and country and for his wife
Insiders also say Harry pulled out of his royal role 'without a thought' for William
Source said Harry is 'so caught up with his own problems he just hadn't thought'
By ROSS IBBETSON and REBECCA ENGLISH ROYAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 18:19 EST, 12 January 2020 | UPDATED: 20:06 EST, 12 January 2020

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle feel that they have been pushed out of the Royal Family by Prince William's 'bullying attitude', an insider has claimed.

Harry is understood to be in turmoil over his decision to 'abdicate' which will be the subject of crisis talks held by the Queen at Sandringham on Monday.

Meghan Markle has driven the extraordinary move for the pair to step down, a source told The Times, saying: 'She wants to leave ... She thinks: "It's not working for me."

'Harry is under intense pressure to choose. It is sad. He loves the Queen. He loves this country. He loves all his military stuff and I think it will genuinely break his heart to leave. I don't think that's what he really wants. I think they want some halfway house.'

Harry is understood to be in turmoil over his decision to 'abdicate' which will be the subject of crisis talks held by the Queen at Sandringham on Monday (pictured: the Sussexes and the Duke of Cambridge at Buckingham Palace in 2018) +7
Harry is understood to be in turmoil over his decision to 'abdicate' which will be the subject of crisis talks held by the Queen at Sandringham on Monday (pictured: the Sussexes and the Duke of Cambridge at Buckingham Palace in 2018)

The Sussexes are said to be frustrated by 'constantly being told their place' over the last two years, a couple that knows the pair well told The Times.

They are said to have felt 'tethered' and that the Cambridges' had been competitive and decided from the outset, 'We are going to tell these people their place and we are going to push them away.'
KC said…
@wizardwench:
[about JMulroney] She was an attractive woman before, and now she looks like, well, one of those fake plastic babies. Why do society women think they look better all plasticized like that? It baffles me."

The triumph of hope over experience? It may look different to her though, she will look in the mirror and see specific wrinkles gone, or sagging removed, so, "success! I still got it!" while to others she is looking doll-like and not in a good way.
KitKatKisses said…
Why Megsy hates Catherine: (speculation)...

--William was smitten with Catherine right away. Much has been written about their break up and how she was "Waity Katie", but AFAIK the truth is that he was a bit scared about being so young; after they reunited, he let it be known they would get married and asked her to wait.

--Catherine has three beautiful children that she wanted and that she actually carried and delivered.

--Catherine will be Queen Consort and Lord willing her son will be King

--Catherine is white

--Catherine has an intact family (parents) who love her, and siblings who love her and do t go to the media about her

--Catherine is naturally thin and has beautiful, naturally gorgeous hair, and she is tall

--Catherine got *the* wedding in Westminster Abbey, Vogue covers, etc. Catherine did not have to prostitue herself in order to achieve anything.

--Catherine has that natural gift, where everyone likes her. Although she doesn't quite have Diana's charisma, she has a quiet self-assurance that draws people to her.

--William and all the royal family love Catherine

--Catherine fits naturally into the upper class lifestyle: she skis, she understands theBritish public school system, she knows the right people, she understands the inside jokes that Megs is clueless about

--Catherine is traditional, and likes being traditional

--Catherine's houses are better than Meghan's houses

Meghan cannot stand ANYONE being richer, prettier, smarter, fancier than her.

Let me know if I missed something.
Glow W said…
@kc and @wizardwench I agree. Plastic is not a good look
SwampWoman said…
Ms. Markle must be bored out of her skull. I bet she and Jessica Mulroney are drunk as skunks after ten bottles of Tigarello that she so adores, and she's typing this on her laptop while the two of them cackle away. Also, wow, last picture of Jessica Mulroney. She's heading into cabbage patch doll territory as a result of all that work she has had done. She was an attractive woman before, and now she looks like, well, one of those fake plastic babies. Why do society women think they look better all plasticized like that? It baffles me.

WizardWench, the whole plastic face/duck lips thing escapes me. They must be among so many plastic people that they don't remember what good looks like.
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Jen said…
@Wizard...Mulroney is an aging actress. Hollywood is not very forgiving unless you are a superb actress.

I LOL'd when I read about being the best employee. The whole thing was funny.
CatEyes said…
Talk about self-promotion, the poster spends reams of space talking about her cashmere, her tea, her BFF Catherine, of give me a break, who does that but a self-obsessed woman, Then she accused a poor woman of stalking her two days ago and had to apologize because she was dead wrong!!! .Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa,
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Sarah said…
I think a lot of Meghan’s jealousy of kAte comes back to money. Harry isn’t that rich while the Queen’s riches will all one day be Kate’s. All the jewels will be Kate’s. She’ll be hosting state dinners. Had they stayed in the family, Meghan’s future role would be something like Sophie’s.
Glow W said…
I would think this is going to be a very pragmatic meeting tomorrow to try and meet their needs and wants in a way that is agreeable to all. I don’t see how they can end up in the USA though,especially if Canada seems a bit of a hassle. They will leave room for Harry to come back after a divorce (with the divorce rate what it is, this is a reasonable expectation above all the drama).

I still think Harry very much wants to be “just Harry” as he has said. I’m not sure that is achievable with his goals and all. I hope the RF has has a psychologist walk them through this since the Queen is known to be cold sometimes, Charles aloof and Harry hot headed and emotional.
SwampWoman said…
KitKat, I believe that you have only just begun to scratch the reasons for her hatred of Catherine. Don't forget that Catherine has actual talent as a photographer. That she goes into depth researching her causes and actually understands them.

Mostly, though, that she absolutely cannot stand not being the smartest, most accomplished, most beautiful in the room. But an honest look in the mirror would tell her that time is a bitch. She should have worked on developing her mind and her character.
CatEyes said…
My information was had by multiple classes in negotiations by an Attorney working for a fortune 500 International company where I received multiple 'A's. In addition, I singlehandedly settled a $500,000 case in my favor so I can speak with some authority @Elle not just empty words on a gossip website.

There are other considerations but you didn't offer anything and I have the right to add content to the topic (unlike your weird deranged purple puppies and dark this and that. (which adds nothing to the discussion).
Glow W said…
@Sarah +1 on that. Eventually Kate will have all the money, jewelry, glory and prestige
Jen said…
@KitKat...you are spot on for the myriad of reasons why MM is jealous of Catherine. Its so obvious. And if you were to try to make a list of reasons why Catherine would be jealous of Meghan, I can't think of one thing.
MustySyphone said…
My thoughts to Harry: 1) you can be financially independent on your 30 million trust, you don't need an allowance from your father (you're 35 years old for Gawd's sake). 2) your grandmother created one job for you ((CW youth ambassador) don't embarrass yourself by having her create another. Find a legitimate job on your own. 3) Don't like UK? don't be a BRF Prince. Abdicate and/or renounce. 4) Have your temper tantrum "tell-all interview". You will whether you get what you want or not. It will forever be a threat unless you actually do it . We will flood the internet with pictures of you dressed as a Nazi (hello r8cist Harry!), the time you referred to someone as a "Paki", and the scenes of your wife depicting gratuitous sex acts and grilling burgers because, you know, she's against sexism. Oh and her acting CV where she lists her self as "caucasian". 5) Grab a beer to cry in because your famous "friends" are already deserting you. And when you can no longer sell access to the Royal Family, no one will want to be around you or donate to your money grubbing "foundation".

And finally 6) Call your Grandmother and Grandfather. Apologize to them for being such a dick.
Rainy Day said…
@Elle. Hold in there. I’m hoping that by tomorrow we’ll have so much to cover that a certain blogger will be immersed in the comments and Nutty will reach 1000!!!!!

According to my calculations, the leaks should be coming out just around the time my alarm goes off. For once I won’t mind getting up on a Monday morning!
SwampWoman said…
Sarah says: I think a lot of Meghan’s jealousy of kAte comes back to money. Harry isn’t that rich while the Queen’s riches will all one day be Kate’s. All the jewels will be Kate’s. She’ll be hosting state dinners. Had they stayed in the family, Meghan’s future role would be something like Sophie’s.

Even if William and Katherine break up one day, her family is rich (the best kind of rich, IMO, self-made). I believe anybody would be lucky to have her as a public relations person for their firm.
CatEyes said…
@KitKatKisses

Catherine had a long romance with William not a suspect 'quickie' infatuation by Harry

Catherine has tried her hand at 'hunting' (shooting birds) which endears her to the BRF while Meghan repels the very thought of it,

Catherine is a natural with children in public while Meghan has had kids turn away from her on photo ops

Catherine pregnancy was accepted while many questioned Megs

Catherine does not have an x-rated past (simulated sex scenes on tv) and is viewed as chaste

Catherine had 1 ture love while Meghan's had God only knows sexual partners

Catherine was a COE congregant while Meghan had to convert at the last minute.

Catherine is the type of woman a man brings home to mom/Gran while Meghan is the kind of woman 'you step out with' (per PP)

Sorry if I duplicated any of yours!
Glow W said…
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/key-items-on-the-table-at-queens-royal-crisis-summit-in-sandringham/news-story/7fbbdbde458169f8aeb3099d1392500f

Nice, level article about the issues on Monday.
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SwampWoman said…
This is crazy, I was supposed to be cutting out prototype mermaid corbels today, but no. Now I'm following this while watching Tucker and Dale versus Evil.
Dido said…
Someone asked, "Why did Meghan even come back to the UK?"

I bet she came back and went to FC to get the blender (the same one that she took from the house she shared with Trevor in LA before mailing him back her rings)!!!!

Honestly, I do think she came back to get the extended visas for Archie + herself which she obtained during the Canada House visit, to pack up her belongings and all of the gifts given to Archie, and probably retrieve any "blackmail" or dirt she thinks she has on the family.

I think her Megxit plan has been in motion for sometime but perhaps something happened over the 7 week break that pushed up her time frame? Maybe she finally secured the amount of $$$ from donors that she needed to establish the Sussex Royal foundation? One of the more bleaker things I can think of is that she is aware of an illness that will abruptly end the life of HMTQ, PP, or PC and if she didn't leave now, then leaving later would be just that more difficult?
lizzie said…
@KitKatKisses,

Your points about Kate seem a bit rosy to me. Since M entered the picture she's been publicly well-loved, but not always before that. Not just Waity Katie but Duchess DoLittle, criticized for too-short skirts and wardrobe malfunctions, expensive clothes, both she and Will called work-shy...and Will had some not-nice things to say during a break-up. During her first few years of royal work it was unclear what her interests were and what her niche might be. As I recall at one point there was an effort to make her into "the children's princess" but she was very stiff with kids **until she had her own.** Her main interest early on seemed to be sporting events. There are other things but my point is not to criticize Kate but just to say things haven't always been great for her in the public eye.

I think Kate's doing a great job now. I think she'll do an admirable job as POW and Queen Consort. But there *was* a learning/adjustment curve. After all, 20 months into marriage (the point H&M are at) W&K still lived in Wales, Kate was mainly a "housewife," she was barely pregnant with George,  and she stayed with her parents at their home on a regular basis while Will did RAF stuff in Wales. (That where she was when her first HG symptoms arose that required hospitalization, as I recall.)

While M might be jealous for all the specific reasons you list, I think it comes down to the last one "Meghan cannot stand ANYONE being richer, prettier, smarter, fancier than her." And as a result, M expected to exceed what Kate has accomplished after almost 9 years of marriage practically on Day #1. That wasn't going to happen even if there wasn't a hierarchy.
SwampWoman said…
@BlueBell Woods In reading all these articles today I realized how well and truly Harry has ghosted his family since the Vampire started whispering in his ear.

He really has seen very very little of his family.


I believe that many of his friends have said he is pretty good at ghosting.
Glow W said…
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/careful-what-you-wish-for-meghan-and-harry/news-story/3137fa1849ec04c5da5ba70137d51dbc

(Snipped)
“But honestly, how far does lustrous celebrity-activism really go? How many “UN ambassadors for Whatever” ever changed more than did a roomful of tactful functionaries on a hundredth of their money? And how many moments of real consolation have come not from a brush with glamour and soft words, but from the long-term, plodding, workaday royal dutifulness the pair now reject? The sort that sends the elderly Queen to bombed children’s bedsides to nod that Ariana Grande is “a very good singer”, drives Princess Anne up bleak gangways to meet exploited seafarers, and Prince Charles to knit his brow over another batch of Prince’s Trust kids (I’ve been there: they love him, think he may be a weird toff but he’s their weird toff).”
(Snipped)
hardyboys said…
The article in today's DM about PW bullying them and constantly making them feel useless actually made me feel sorry for MM and PH a bit. I bet there is truth to that and that's why they didnt mention Kate in their step down instagram post. There is such deep seated hostility between the parties I'm not sure the BRF can withstand that much more dysfunction. I know everyone says they have lasted a 1000 years but these are different times as nutty says. The queen looks silly next to BOJO with white gloves and stolen jewels dripping off her. This fodder makes for such delight nuttys blogs ste getting longer DM posts are more frequent....its not that MM can topple the BRF it's the single most thing they rely on RESPECT it's all going south...
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Glow W said…
@Dido yes! I did think about that. Timing is good right now because (hopefully) it won’t kill the queen or PP. once Charles ascends, it might be harder to leave...

SwampWoman said…
Just read that Frank Giustra tweeted that he doesn't own a house near Victoria, B.C., and he hasn't been contacted by either the Duke or Duchess or their representatives.

So, not knocking boots with him.
@lizzie

However these points existed up to 29 months into the marriage of Catherine:

1. Catherine had a long romance with William not a suspect 'quickie' infatuation by Harry

2. Catherine has tried her hand at 'hunting' (shooting birds) which endears her to the BRF while Meghan repels the very thought of it,

3. Catherine is a natural with children in public while Meghan has had kids turn away from her on photo ops

4. Catherine pregnancy was accepted while many questioned Megs

5. Catherine does not have an x-rated past (simulated sex scenes on tv) and is viewed as chaste

5. Catherine had one (1) true love while Meghan's had multiple love partners upon marriage

6. Catherine was a COE congregant while Meghan had to convert at the last minute.

7. Catherine is the type of woman a man brings home to mom/Gran while Meghan is the kind of woman 'you step out with' (per PP)

So Catherine pre-marriage and in the first year of marriage she triumphs over Meghan.
Portcitygirl said…
Can my comments be seen here? Has anyone read the dm about the new info on the owner of the house loaned out to MM and PH? I have long suggested this was political and now comes to light that the owner donated 30 mil to the Clinton foundation? Who do have connections to Russia via uranium? Are these bad actor globalists seeking to take down the monarchy? Is PH really going to destroy his own blood family? He will be destroyed himself in the end. It's puzzling bc at the end of the day all of these people are the global elite. The only difference is I do believe the Queen is loyal to Her country and the other side is loyal to no one. Is this a lib blog and is that why no one is commenting back?
SwampWoman said…
Oh, sorry, it was at Tiaras and Houseplants. https://anonymoushouseplantfan.tumblr.com/
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Wanda said…
@Portcitygirl
No all are welcome. We see you - it's just not that easy to directly respond to someone with the current format.
Yes we saw that news earlier and it is scary.
I hope the Queen doesn't let us down.
Rainy Day said…
@Elle. Hold in there. I’m hoping that by tomorrow we’ll have so much to cover that a certain blogger will be immersed in the comments and Nutty will reach 1000!!!!!

Ugh. I meant to say “hang in there” and “a certain poster”. Sigh...it must be Sunday night.
Portcitygirl said…
Twinsmama, you stated " The Queen looks silly next to BOJO". How dare you?
HMTQ is the epitomy of class and beloved by Her people. No one can attain her stature.
Portcitygirl said…
Thank you Blue Bell Woods.
SwampWoman said…
Hi, PortCityGirl! Yes, we did discuss it earlier, but he seems to have denied it now. How in the world is making up all of this stuff?

/Meghan?
lizzie said…
@BlueBell Woods wrote "Catherine doesn't have any girlfriends who have sex tapes on the internet."

Except maybe Emma Sayle. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3750801/Britain-s-exclusive-secret-sex-party-heads-North-Kate-Middleton-s-sextrepreneur-friend-launches-members-orgies-Manchester.html

@Anonymous,

I beg to differ. There were questions about Catherine's pregnancies. Not as loud perhaps as those about M's but there were regular comments on DM about her bump being fake, especially with Charlotte. I never saw why (unlike with M) but it did happen.

She also wasn't viewed as "chaste." (The fashion show outfit plus the nickname "mattress.")

I like Kate. But I've followed the royals long enough to remember the learning curve and the media treatment early on. It wasn't all rosy.
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SwampWoman said…
Portcitygirl, lots of trolls out tonight.
punkinseed said…
Spot on @Kitkat with your list of jealous Rach. It's got to be hurtful and stressful for Kate to have had such a vampire in her midst.
I'd like to add to the list..
Kate has William's love and heart. He's smart, caring, attentive. The perfect Prince Charming.
What does Rach have? Unpredictable, hot headed Harry who is far from being charming. Rach doesn't like second best.
Another thing about why Kate is so well liked is because she has grace and dignity naturally. Like Princess Grace Kelly. And Kate cares about others and about tradition and heritage.
Kate is also very athletic and competitive, but she is not a poor sport. She doesn't have to cheat to win either.
Both Kate and Wills were naturally able to have their children and they really wanted them and to be the best parents they could be. That has to be hard to be active royals and balance that with giving your kids all of the attention they need. Seems to be working though because the kids look very well grounded, happy and healthy.
It's a shame that Rach is so locked into being bitter and resentful. She could have had a great life, but she can't because she is too messed up. Same goes for Harry.
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Glow W said…
Does anyone have access to this article:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghans-escape-from-the-poisonous-palace-rg75t9rxc

“Harry and Meghan’s escape from the poisonous palace

The couple’s desire to quit the royal family began with ‘damaging things’ said and done at the time of their wedding, writes the broadcaster Tom Bradby. If the rift is not healed, worse may follow”
CatEyes said…
@twinsmama

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7879785/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-feel-forced-BULLYING-Prince-William.htm

If this is the article you are referencing then it says sources close to both the Cambridge's and Sussex's both deny the bullying and making the Sussex feel such.

I didn't read a single example of William doing anything untoward. I feel sorry for William at this unfounded allegation, especially if people react like he has done something wrong.

It was mentioned that Harry was told his place but he knew that since he was a child. Is Harry going to pout about it after all these years? Too bad, so sad. Look at how Anne performed so well being the second born, she was an absolute asset to Charles and the Queen, much nore so than sulky lazy disrespectful Harry.

Please let me know if you read a different article because I would like to learn what you are referring to. Thanks.
hardyboys said…
Port city girl...this is a forum of other people's opinions...you think your how dare you in your patronizing voice is going to chance my opinion? Not a chance. When people are starving and homeless and the government is a labour party...dripping in diamond Pearl's and rubies is a little much. If u dont like my opinion...TOO BAD
CatEyes said…
@PortCityGirl said:

>>>is this a lib blog and is that why no one is commenting back<<<

I think so! I would of commented but in the past I was reamed for saying anything against the 'lib' and their politicians!!!
abbyh said…

People not getting along: Hey, I like you guys - ALL of you. You all have brought interesting ideas, observations, links to the table which have helped me (and others) roll this discussion along. I may not agree with this or that, but you make me think about why I thought X or Y. Thank you. To think why you think X or Y is helpful to better understand someone else.

... so my question to you is:

The BRF aren't getting along and although each of us has favorite people, Things we hope and dream will happen, (Mr. Abby likes games playing), which role on this blog, who do we think want to be and might be responding as if we were? William? Harry? Charles? Elizabeth? Phillip? Meghan? um, Kate? (Elle? LG?) Please think about this when you start playing on the keyboard and so want to let someone know how much they don't know. As long as I (or Mr. Abby or our closest family friends or even not close friends) has been on the internet (think well over 25+ years), no one we ever have known has done a radical shift in their thinking because of someone on the internet was using a lot of "negativity" in the response.

Thank you. (end PSA). Carry on.

hardyboys said…
Cat eyes ya that's the article...btw I was wondering you mentioned u negotiated a 500k deal on your own..that's great
Ozmanda said…
@Elle, @Blue, Trudy - Here! Here are my lengthy thoughts, feel free to throw questions as i am trying to wade through all the comments, so hopefully this helps. This will be multiple posts.

First some words on anxiety which I certainly have seen in this whole debacle –
The psychology of how humans cope with secrets and especially when it is regarding bad acts are the following –
There are three elements that essentially address how an individual feels – guilt, shame and anxiety. A psychopath will experience none, whereas a sociopath will experience one (anxiety). While everyone has anxiety from time to time – this is a built in element to the human psyche and prepares us for intense situations (and where “fight or flight” derives from) – it increases your breathing rate while concentrating on blood flow to your brain (triggering your ability to detect and avoid danger – “fight or flight”). This also means a person’s response is impulsive – there is little to no critical thinking and taking into consideration longterm consequences. Their goal is immediate relief from a uncomfortable situation.
In the short term Anxiety doesn’t really have a large effect, however in the long time this can have a detrimental physical and mental effect. The human body is just not equipped to deal with all the neurological responses in the long term – and it can promote a crippling focus on negative thinking which can show as an irrational or deceptive fear of the unknown and an unwarranted state of fear over what they cannot control.
When I profile I look at the person, their environment, actions and influencing circles. In my opinion is seems that Harry was targeted due to –

1) He has been clearly damaged by what happened to his mother, his parent’s divorce and having to read all the media, books and stories about both of their actions, The constant rumours about who is his father and also mother and extended family. Mental impairment - now I don't know for sure of Harry has a mental illness, however if you look at his life so far he has been looked after his entire life - he entered military service which he was successful in due to the fact he was only required to follow orders. The military and defence forces love those with his time of makeup as they are not critical thinkers, they follow orders and as such can plan tactics etc. He has had a long history of impulsive acts and people cleaning up after the consequences.

She stepped up to that role and is essentially the run running things. To separate him from this too abruptly will either be detrimental to his wellbeing or cause him to be extra protective of her - not necessarily because of her as his wife, but also to keep the person he is relying on while also filling a need to be a “hero”that he couldn’t be for his mother.



2) His experience with narcotics and/or alcohol - this is significant as if an individual starts to take substances on a regular basis, their emotional and mental age is essentially stunted at that age when they start. So even if they get older, their actions thinking and responses are at the age of their "younger brain".
If I was to recruit him as a source or someone I could manipulate, I would approach him as someone who can handle his problems, be the champion for his frustrations of being the “spare” and need to be loved by everyone. I would want to keep him away from any strong role models – such as his brother and Kate who it is well known got along extremely well with him. Added to that he has had a history of befriending celebrities – especially female actors and musicians and seems envious of that lifestyle, so being in that inner circle would be very tempting.
KitKatKisses said…
@Lizzie, I also remember Catherine's "learning curve" as well as many mean spirited comments about her.

However, none of this would matter to Megs. She is incapable of seeing anyone else's struggles and can only see what they have that she does not. That's why IMO any attempt to have Catherine "show her the ropes" was doomed to fail.

I read The Tig post written upon Catherine's wedding and the level of envy was shocking.

Let me ask you this; Catherine' parents bought her diamond earrings in the shape of an acorn as a
wedding gift, to commemorate their new coat of arms.

What did Meg's parents do for her on that level?

Regardless of any early mistakes Catherine made, she comes from a different world than Megs, and Megs knows it.

Meghan has an enormous chip on her shoulder. I think this is why she has spent so obscenely as well.
HappyDays said…
Not sure if anyone has noted this, but H.G. Tudor has posted A Very Royal Narcissist - Part 8. Very insightful analysis.

If Harry lives through this debacle, he will be so incredibly damaged. I hope in a divorce, if there is one, I hope he gets custody of Archie and any other children that appear.

However, I increasingly think he will remain in bondage for the remainder of his life. Her goal of attaining absolute control over him is nearly complete by taking him away from the UK. He will be totally emotionally isolated. Her next move is to set her sights on buying a home in LA to stay at during business trips to the US. She will incrementally spend more and more time there, eventually living there full-time and rarely setting foot in Canada.

I wonder if she will ever return to the UK. People are likely to show up at her appearances to jeer her, and every bit of it will be well-deserved. When the queen passes, or if Philip passes next, I bet she will come up with some excuse to not attend the funeral.. Harry will attend alone and he will be booed.

Boos and jeers will only serve as fuel to allow her to continue the victim narrative, but what will the Harkles do when they get booed in the United States as I think will eventually happen..
Portcitygirl said…
5x,' We are going to tell these people their place and are going to push them away'. Are you suggesting that PW and DC are bullying PH and MM? The same couple who have been seen in a loving supportive family relationship with PH for over a decade and PW his whole life. From where is your source? Actions speak much louder than made up 'sources'. I await your response.
Ozmanda said…
Part two!!

Now sparkles - The problem with getting her away from him is her entire life seems to be about manipulating her way into various situations (otherwise known as hustling). This makes her very skilled at deception and when added to her complete inability to show empathy to others, concentrating on her own circumstances. Her lies are extremely multilayered and to directly confront her will elicit from her a "fight or flight" response when she doubles down and throws out what we call "fireball statements" - such as sexism, racism, etc.
In questioning someone like that I would look at not just what is said but their physical responses – their miniactions and physical stance is often not controlled so can be read. For example if someone is completely “innocent” of an allegation thrown at them, their first instinct is to be really passionate in their denial, and it be immediate. Someone who is perhaps not so innocent and/or very manipulative often takes longer to respond to an accusation thrown at them – and it would be a measured almost calm response. This indicates someone has already considered possible responses as part of the plan. Also they will throw out nonsequitur statements or expressions such as “gosh” or similar – this is the brain going into fight or flight and needing a bit of time to thinking about their next move and get out of that reactionary thinking. If someone answers you while touching their face – other as an eye rub or finger resting on a cheek or chin for a second or two is also a tell – this indicates that they are subconsciously trying to hide their facial response.
When in a confronting conversation/interview/interrogation it is usually the first and last statements that will ring most true – because the first statements are your brain’s immediate response and often the most truthful and the last statement/comment is a subconscious need to have this be the most recent thing remembered by the person questioning them.
In the US especially these are especially powerful as the first response a human has is assuring the person starting the claim they were not doing this, causing them to backtrack out of fear as being labelled these terms. It is a weapon she has used quite strategically. The way to catch someone like her would be twofold –
1) Harry is never going to be outcast from the family, he is of royal blood and their family. But he needs someone to lean on that isn't her and be assured he isn’t all alone. The more he is away from her physically the less dependent he will be - I would include him on things to heighten his person self-esteem which seems to have eroded quite a bit.
2) Taking away her “power cards” essentially – popularity and support network. Confronting her directly would have been a bad idea, so having her actions be seen in the media and by the public means that base is no longer available for her to use as a bargaining chip – and then release the media kraken and allow the skeletons to come out gradually - the goal is for this to not effect Harry's reputation or to paint Harry as being essentially her "Puppet".
Now the fraud bit (and for the sugars reading this, not accusing anyone of anything so just shush) – I would investigate the financial picture of her close “friends” and her mother including recently created bank accounts. In investigating financial fraud you look at not just the target’s accounts, but their social media activities (this determines dates and times of actions, which can be compared to approximate financial amounts and compared to entries in bank statements, transfers or unscheduled travel (cash and/or items such as jewellery, luxury goods etc can often be taken to another country to hide and not be subjected to any Anti money laundering/other legislations). At the destination they will trade these items for the cash amount – hence evading detection. The exception is often diplomatic bags, which cannot be searched without specific orders – difficult to get.
Dido said…
@Portcity- I think the main way Meghan can damage the monarchy is if she uses her Sussex Royal Foundation and her "voice" to weigh in on political issues. It is no secret that Meghan prefers Democrats in power in the US and no doubt that it has been difficult for her to hold her tongue. Maybe it is no coincidence that she is bailing on the BRF at the beginning of 2020, ahead of the start of the US primaries on Feb 1? Is she dying to spout off about Trump's imminent impeachment trial beginning soon in the Senate?

Only speculating about all of this-- I am not here to debate the pros and cons of being a Republican or Democrat but the BRF and monarchy have survived as long as they have due to remaining apolitical.

There are several dates that I have noticed where a story about MM's timeline coincides with Brexit & US presidential election 2016. she claimed to been set up with Harry in early July, less than 10 days after initial Brexit vote- Harry puts out letter to the press 'leave Meghan alone" on Oct 31 2016 a few days before the 2016 election, and Meghan "Megxits" on the eve that UK Parliament voted 330 to 231 in favor of the Brexit package.

Here is an interesting article re: MM & why political opinions are a no-no in the BRF
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a22127316/meghan-markle-political-opinion-abortion-rules-royal-family/
Ozmanda said…
And Last section I promise:)


If she was to separate herself from the royal family, that would also mean she may (and I could be wrong) no longer be protected by whatever diplomatic immunity they enjoy. Usually if a crime is committed it has to be heard in the nation and city of the offence (the notable exceptions are terrorism and war crimes which are part of the International Criminal Court and/or united nations). Also many countries have character checks required for visas – the most strict ones are Australia, US, UK and some middle eastern countries. If you have any serious criminal history it will be highly likely you would be turned away at the US, Australian and UK borders – you can request a review of this but it needs to be done before you enter the country or you will be turned away – and some countries have a automatically exclusion period which means if you are turned around and sent back you cannot apply for another visa for a certain length of time.

It was a really dumb move for her to make these demands at this time – her desire to play the victim is something I would play on – encourage a conversation with neutral language and sympathetic phrases – what this also does is not trigger her physical need to enter a fight or flight response and a conversation can more easily be steered in the right direction.

Ok apologies for my rambling on, hope that makes sense.


One more thing - as part of cyber investigations, there are certain techniques that can identify the locations of people online - even in forums such as this. It includes looking at the source code within the website which often has time and date stamps of comments and posts and IP addresses. Those IP addresses can often be masked but usually not faked so if someone is posting from somewhere that looks like a - umm...lets just throw it out there, a large PR firm with many offices, their IP addresses will have a specific pattern that can be tracked and identified. This also goes with the posting of images and videos on platforms such as you tube, beebo and other forums. With the ease of the internet nowadays the knowledge of HTML, R or Python is not needed to have a internet presence, but there is still a trail left that if you know coding can be utilized to identify origins of postings, images and video.
CatEyes said…
@Twinsmama

Thank you,,,On the settken]ment: I will pass on a trick I did...I was at what would seem a disadvantage by meeting in the office of the attorney representing the main defendant...well we took a break and the defense attorney offered to let me use his personal office to take a break, knowing he probably had a speaker on to surreptitiously hear what I was discussing with my father (who was a physician and it was a malpractice case) I firmly and repeatedly said to my Dad that I was Not interested in settling at all and I very vigorously wanted to go to trial.no matter what,and when I came out I again maintained my interest in going to trial and they quickly capitulated. I have no doubt they caved because I took a hard line and was absolutely adamant about getting justice. It didn't hurt that it was an awful case and the opposing side already had some bad publicity about it.
xxxxx said…
This is not a lib blog. This is a level headed blog and a traditionalist oriented blog. We like preservation. We are anti-disruptor Megs. I see a thousand comments here that ridicule wokeness and this is good enough for me. I voted for Trump and will do so again. If I lived in UK, Boris and Brexit would get my vote. I have always liked the British Royal Family and despise seeing it ruined by a shameless bounder (Brit speak) who is American. Who for extortionist purposes has threatened to expose "racism" within the BRF, per their odious mouthpiece Tom Bradby. Who I currently loath more than H$M.
lizzie said…
@KitKatKisses wrote "Catherine' parents bought her diamond earrings in the shape of an acorn as a
wedding gift, to commemorate their new coat of arms.

What did Meg's parents do for her on that level?"

The acorn earrings were sweet. I didn't realize they were supposed to represent the coat of arms. I thought the coat of arms included acorns because of their home town. Guess that's kind of the same thing.

While they didn't give her diamonds, I do personally believe Meghan was spoiled rotten and got far more from Thomas than his other 2 kids did. I believe that she wrote on her blog about Thomas practically supporting her after college. And I'll never believe she paid her entire bill from NW on her own. Doria? No idea. I think I did read somewhere once that M didn't feel Doria appreciated her struggles and would tell her to get over things.

Glad to hear someone else remembers Kate's early days too. I agree Meg wouldn't understand but Kate just kept on going. She didn't whine to the press or have Will, friends or Pippa do it for her.
Ozmanda said…
Portcitygirl> I think you need to calm yourself, maybe the reason no one is commenting back is because there is about 100000000000000000000000 comments on this thread, and not evetryone will get a response. I have no idea that it entails to be "lib" but personally I don't have any favourites - actually I have a general disdain for humanity so I don't play favourites - I call it the way I see it.
hardyboys said…
Cat eyes...sounds amazing and it certainly sounds like you have lived an amazing life I have read with interest your posts you are 67 were very wealthy at one point were in politics father isna physician and brother was sick but is now better. Also a strategic negotiator. Maybe MM should speak to you tomorrow before she calls in lol
SwampWoman said…
Twinsmama, you are going to have to define what you mean by poor and starving. Why are they poor and starving? Is it because they are low IQ? Is it because of personal choices that they made to abuse drugs? Are they from a third-world country and do not have either the skills or the IQ to make it in an industrial nation? Since I know the European welfare benefits are quite a bit better than what we have in America, you are going to have to be more explicit. I hardly think anybody is starving in the street.

None of those are the problems of people that work. Taking money away from them to support the societal parasites will not make anybody any better off. There are thousands of examples all around you of sports stars and actors and singers that made millions and lost millions and ended up destitute. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix it. First, you have to identify the problem.
Portcitygirl said…
Twinsmama, I don't like your opinion. I think I made that clear. And besmirching the Queen is a very clear indicator of your character and using the poor, who even the Bible says we all have with us, is elementary at best.
abbyh said…

HappyDays

... When the queen passes, or if Philip passes next, I bet she will come up with some excuse to not attend the funeral.. Harry will attend alone and he will be booed.

Boos and jeers will only serve as fuel to allow her to continue the victim narrative,


Or him.

One of the things which allows people to stay in cults is that they send their people out to "proselytize", they get rejected, come back to the cult and are love bombed.

Sadly, very sadly, the jeering will be more convincing him that she who loves him shows real love (compared to the country who mourned his mother's death but now fails to meet his er, her needs which are his [by marriage or some such reconing] now).

Portcitygirl said…
Lol. Ozmanda, I'm pretty apolitical myself but am intelligent enough to know that conservative voices and anything said against TPTB is often muted or shadowbanned. Free speech is not alive and well. I'm not a leftie so to speak but pretty progressive in most of my thinking. I however do know that their are some bad actors involved in this world stage scenario and I know which side I'm on and it is 100 % with Her Majesty.
Portcitygirl said…
Their there and They're. Sorry for typos on mobile and hard to proof.
@lizzie said"

"She also wasn't viewed as "chaste." (The fashion show outfit plus the nickname "mattress.")"

Catherine dressed in one fashion show with lingerie, a fashion show. While Meghan has years of risque outfits and absolute nudity.

The 'mattress' label for Catherine was in reference to being William's sex partner only. What would be comparable for Meghan in this regard when she has been a sexually promiscuous woman for decades? If she was a mattress it would of been worn out a long time ago. They don't make mattresses that hold up to that kind of use. And I am not even mentioning what some say is that she usde the casting couch to get ahead.
punkinseed said…
Excellent post Ozmanda. Always like it when you school me on such in depth topics! Thank you. And glad you went into detail because if you didn't I'd be bugging you with follow up questions galore!
Ozmanda said…
@KitKatKisses - I find MM's envy and jealousy of Catherine to be interesting and really overboard, do you think it is due to the bond she had with Harry or did she try it on wills and didn't get a favourable response? On the media platforms it is pretty easy to spot who one of MM's sugars are by the comments - if they are praising sparkles and at the same time saying something negative about Catherine.
CatEyes said…
@Twinsmama

Thank you very much. I'm impressed you remember so much about me. On a sad note, my brother with dementia, only out os the hospital a couple of weeks walked away from home 9 days ago and I am trying to locate him.
Portcitygirl said…
Thank you for clarification 5x.
Apparently I riled a few commenters with my 'lib' post. Not really my intention as I am not very conservative, but very pro Monarch. And these people influencing PH are some bad actors imho. I can only hope for his sake his blood family will prevail over these vampires whose aim is only self seeking- again only my humble opinion.
Portcitygirl said…
Dido, I share your opinion. It is beyond obvious the girl can't keep her woke mouth shut. I don't look forward to hearing her spout off anymore than I do any of our other money grubbing pay for play politicians.
CatEyes said…
Strangely enough, Megs being away from the negotiations (but still allowed to give input) can be a very shrewd position to be in. For example, the Queen/POW/Wills can propose something and expect Harry to respond but he can take the offer and say authentically, I have to consult with my wife. This gives him the ability to know what their hand is but not give an immediate response. In fact, he could buy time by saying this, and thus allow Meghan and him (and maybe unknown attorneys at their disposal offsite), the time to formulate a counteroffer.

I learned that in my negotiations classes, to buy time and say "I have to run this past my accountant, or whomever). That is if negotiations aren't going in your favor, then buying time is helpful. OTOH if things are going good, then you want to close the deal asap and not give the other side time to stall and strategize against your position..
Dido said…
@Ozmanda: At the destination they will trade these items for the cash amount – hence evading detection. The exception is often diplomatic bags, which cannot be searched without specific orders – difficult to get.

If she was to separate herself from the royal family, that would also mean she may (and I could be wrong) no longer be protected by whatever diplomatic immunity they enjoy.

Excellent 3 part explanation! The immunity is something I mentioned earlier in this thread. I think this is probably why the Sussex Manifesto graciously states, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex take great pride in their work and are committed to continuing their charitable endeavours as well as establishing new ones. In addition, they value the ability to earn a professional income, which in the current structure they are prohibited from doing. For this reason they have made the choice to become members of the Royal Family with financial independence. Their Royal Highnesses feel this new approach will enable them to continue to carry out their duties for Her Majesty The Queen, while having the future financial autonomy to work externally.

Meghan (and Harry) want to "step back" as senior royals but "be on call" in case HMTQ has a need for them... all so that they can retain diplomatic immunity afforded to them as a member of the BRF. No doubt Meghan has enjoyed this perk of breezing through customs while her staff handles the paper work. I wonder about the diplomatic bags? No telling what kind of treasures she could stuff in those bad boys (kind of like a portable freeport?!)! That is a fascinating food-for-thought exercise in itself.

Thank you for your insight!
lizzie said…
@Anonymous said "The 'mattress' label for Catherine was in reference to being William's sex partner only."

It is true that Kate was criticized for appearing to put her life on hold for Will and always being available for his "booty calls." But "mattress" as her nickname wasn't used only that way at the time among Will's set. I'm not going to repeat it all here but it had to do with Will's "wingman" making inquiries for him. Perhaps the stories weren't true. Honestly I don't care either way. But they were in the public domain at the time.

My point was not to denigrate Kate. But it certainly appeared there was some revisionist history going on here about how Kate was perfect in the role from Day #1, absolutely everyone saw that, she naturally did everything right, and there had never been any criticism. That's simply not true. Like @KitKatKisses said I doubt M could understand others have had to make adjustments too. But they have.

Even TQ was reported to have been concerned about Kate's lack of a job or charity work years after graduating and said "but what does she do?"

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