In her famous New Yorker essay, a different Meghan - the writer Meghan Daum - confesses that even as her life crumbled because of overwhelming credit card debt, she still bought fresh flowers every day. "I have a compulsive need to keep fresh-cut flowers in my apartment at all times," Meghan Daum wrote.
Meghan Markle, who is still the Duchess of Sussex although no longer HRH Duchess of Sussex, also has a spending compulsion. She must have PR, a habit that started when she was an up-and-coming actress and continues today.
Even now - when she is desperate for income and effectively homeless - Meghan Markle has managed to keep her PR machine rolling.
God only knows who is paying for it.
But Meg hasn't let that stop her - perhaps she's hoping to be a "Tiger King" type distraction for people who can't bear to read more bad news.
Unfortunately, the things people really want to know about Meg are things she is unwilling or unable to discuss.
How's Archie? "Sorry, no photos." So, tell me about your new house? "That's confidential." What really went on between you and the Royal Family? "You'll have to wait for the book."
Instead, we've had day after day of PR stories of stuff that pretty much nobody is interested in.
Yesterday the Telegraph's fashion page, which has long been bizarrely supportive of poorly-dressed Meghan, ran a story headlined: "The exercise regime responsible for Meghan's new body."
The article was a puff piece about an exercise studio founder; it wasn't until the end of a lengthy paragraph 3 that the writer added that the founder's "personal clients include Carey Mulligan, the actress, and the Duchess of Sussex. (Meghan was spotted at the Heartcore Kensington studio when she moved to London and instantly liked its menu of stretching, barre work, free weights, TRX, yoga and low impact cardio.)"
So his trainer worked with Meg 3 years ago when she first arrived in London? Big news. Was "Meghan's new body", as promised in the headline, established in 2017?
Also, is Meg still a client? She's in LA now, but does she use the trainer's online program?
The trainer doesn't know, and neither does the Telegraph. "She says her data can’t tell her whether Meghan’s logging on. But given how addictive that post-class buzz of toned, lengthened and stretched out muscles is, it would be odd if the Duchess wasn’t keeping up with Heartcore."
OK, this is not what they taught us in journalism school. The Telegraph has literally 0% proof that Meg is involved with this fitness programme. Why are they mentioning her name?
Unless, of course, they've been paid to.
Meghan Markle, who is still the Duchess of Sussex although no longer HRH Duchess of Sussex, also has a spending compulsion. She must have PR, a habit that started when she was an up-and-coming actress and continues today.
Even now - when she is desperate for income and effectively homeless - Meghan Markle has managed to keep her PR machine rolling.
God only knows who is paying for it.
Trying to be a distraction
One might guess that when the world is gripped by the coronavirus crisis, people might not be interested in a mid-level celebrity couple.But Meg hasn't let that stop her - perhaps she's hoping to be a "Tiger King" type distraction for people who can't bear to read more bad news.
Unfortunately, the things people really want to know about Meg are things she is unwilling or unable to discuss.
How's Archie? "Sorry, no photos." So, tell me about your new house? "That's confidential." What really went on between you and the Royal Family? "You'll have to wait for the book."
Instead, we've had day after day of PR stories of stuff that pretty much nobody is interested in.
Strange stories
Today's top story on Page Six (probably lifted to that spot by one of Meg's famous bot farms) is "Meghan Markle's real name and title revealed on Archie's birth certificate." Hm. Her real name is Rachel, she's a princess due to her marriage to Harry, and that (possibly faked) birth certificate is nearly a year old. Why is this news?Yesterday the Telegraph's fashion page, which has long been bizarrely supportive of poorly-dressed Meghan, ran a story headlined: "The exercise regime responsible for Meghan's new body."
The article was a puff piece about an exercise studio founder; it wasn't until the end of a lengthy paragraph 3 that the writer added that the founder's "personal clients include Carey Mulligan, the actress, and the Duchess of Sussex. (Meghan was spotted at the Heartcore Kensington studio when she moved to London and instantly liked its menu of stretching, barre work, free weights, TRX, yoga and low impact cardio.)"
So his trainer worked with Meg 3 years ago when she first arrived in London? Big news. Was "Meghan's new body", as promised in the headline, established in 2017?
Also, is Meg still a client? She's in LA now, but does she use the trainer's online program?
The trainer doesn't know, and neither does the Telegraph. "She says her data can’t tell her whether Meghan’s logging on. But given how addictive that post-class buzz of toned, lengthened and stretched out muscles is, it would be odd if the Duchess wasn’t keeping up with Heartcore."
OK, this is not what they taught us in journalism school. The Telegraph has literally 0% proof that Meg is involved with this fitness programme. Why are they mentioning her name?
Unless, of course, they've been paid to.
The Daily Mail chimes in
Paid placement in the Daily Mail Online is an open secret; the Kardashians have been doing it for years, and so have many other reality TV types who make much of their income from "dates" with men who discover them in the Mail.
Even the Chinese Communist Party is getting in on the action: today the Mail published a story and Tweet asking "Has China won the war for global supremacy?" (No, but they've proven how far the MailOnline's owner, Viscount Rothermere, will go for a pay cheque.)
The Daily Mail plays a consistent role in Meg's PR campaign, publishing stories about her almost every day.
In the past three days, we've learned from the Daily Mail that Prince Harry assisted with her (awful) narration of an elephant documentary, that she had not seen her mother Doria since returning to Los Angeles, that Meg's UK-based facialist found her "kind and down-to-Earth", and that Meg would like to return to acting but would "only work with A-list directors, like Ava Duvernay"
Today, the Daily Mail informed us that "Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are taking a few months off before launching their new brand because they need a break."
Oh, please do take some time off, Meg. I dare you.
But I don't think you can.
But I don't think you can.
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So true @charade. What a sad thing for that child to learn later in life. He will forever be mocked for his parents endless blunders.
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Unless he isn't.
Don't want the world to end "not with a bang, but a whimper" as T.S. Eliot said -- keeping my chin up as long as possible.
People like the Harkles are amoebae, ruining everything they touch just by "being." Even pond scum can eventually ruin anything.
Thank you Nutty. Another raising questions piece.
I wonder a couple of things:
Not just how much is an article?
but how where is the money coming from?
If she is in arrears, would they keep accepting work from her?
If she were floating it on credit, would the threat of bankruptcy allow her to pressure the BRF to pay the bills?
Thank you Nutty. Another raising questions piece.
I wonder a couple of things:
Not just how much is an article?
but how where is the money coming from?
If she is in arrears, would they keep accepting work from her?
If she were floating it on credit, would the threat of bankruptcy allow her to pressure the BRF to pay the bills.
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WHERE is the money coming from?
EXCUSE YOU????
God, I *wish* my PR parody account was that funny! I'm actually jealous of the writer's talent in comedy writing, great stuff...👏🏼
Can you imagine what *real* directors must think when they read that stuff? It's hilarious. I almost feel sorry for Meghan... ALMOST. but not quite. 🤣
Regina George was in car commercials in Japan.
Also, I'm sad I haven't seen "Tiger King" (the trailer alone looks better than "Lion King", which means it's technically better than "Hamlet" 💀).
I'm sorry to the poor elephants, but the Tiger King is more compelling than the voice over HRH Just Harry hustled for MADAME MARKLE. I still care about elephants as a species & would never support ivory trade, but I think I can care about the elephants without having to endure MADAME MARKLE'S voice. The things people do to those creatures is heart-wrenching enough...
I don't think I've ever wanted Netflix so much in my life (except for maybe to see Laurence Fox play a Buddhist Coke dealer, it just sounds dirty AF 🔥 and I hope they didn't put concealer on his tattoos).
I use the best internet provider (and mobile provider) in Indonesia, the best company with the best connection. Unfortunately, that company is also partially/majority state-owned (so if the Indonesian government says block Netflix, Scandi has no Netflix). The other companies allow Netflix, but there's no guarantee the connection will be stable enough for streaming. So sad. I can't justify paying a subscription for something I'll need a VPN for.
Gay Drunk Patriots Fan: first of all, that's not a boring comment, that's a kind one. 💜🍹 Second of all, even if it were boring, at least your username isn't boring.
Hope this article copied from Page Six might help with your question
A spokesman for Sunshine Sachs said it is not advising Markle personally, and denied that the Duchess said she wants to “break the internet.”
“We briefly worked on the Vogue project in the US market and were retained in the past few weeks for the launch of Travalyst in the US market,” Chris Bastardi said, referring to Prince Harry’s “sustainable travel” initiative.
He added that Prince Harry is paying the Sunshine Sachs consulting fees out of his own pocket.
More page six on going PR April
“The messy bun purely came off the back of making the hair both appropriate and adhering to royal protocol, and modern at the same time,” he explained. “We wanted it to be up, because a lot of the time it was appropriate for it to be up, but we didn’t want it to be too formal. We always wanted it to be refined imperfection — that’s what sums her up.”
George MM haurstlist wedding day hair
The PR article by MM hairstylist
He added that Prince Harry is paying the Sunshine Sachs consulting fees out of his own pocket.
So in other words the Bank of Pa. Charles really need to cut them off. He's already paying for their ridiculous security and upped the rents on his tenants at the Duchy. Sigh. Exhausting pair.
Thank you Nutty for providing me and others with a space to have a laugh at this awful time. I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy. This is my morning ritual after getting a cup of coffee. Have a great day everybody!!
I am disgusted also by the fact that this rag charges for access to articles about Covid19.
As far as the Mail is concerned I think that the articles now published are intended to attract adverse comment. The paper has ceased moderating most comments and you are now much more likely to see your comment appear if fact many commentin have said that they only read the headline or at most the first few lines of the article then go directly to the comments
Unless she is going to publish photographs of her, Harry and Archie (Harry says no), she has no new content at all but the PR wheel must spin.
Here is a puff piece in the Sun for today (Sunday):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11329104/meghan-markle-doria-los-angeles-coronavirus/
Really, Meghan? You do realise, Meghan, that all your 'supporters' will be stupid people who are, well, too stupid to not only think for themselves, but think at all. What do you do with a bunch of stupid people, but first, let's look at that PR piece in the Sun:
* Your father dismissed in one paragraph. Considering your own actions, to try and justify ghosting your father in the way you do is 'rather' hypocritical. You have a narcissistic grudge that you will never let go of and he does not fit into the image you want to create for yourself.
* Nothing about Doria spending time with you when you were in Canada, which would have been very easy for her to do as she does not have a job, has a housemate to help with the dogs, and you were in Canada for months before the coronavirus social distancing, self-isolation and lockdowns started. You and Doria are not close but it is useful PR to keep pushing this story and you still find her a useful ally, especially of you have to play up the WOC angle to get a pay cheque/market.
* Coronavirus has pretty much shut down the world so there is no work for you (who the heck would be making commercials in the Far East at this time?). You are not 'taking time off' because there is no work for you, and who the heck takes so much time off anyway, and then produces nothing of value or significance in that time? (All the time added together, at best one month of work since you took off for maternity leave, which was more than a year ago.) You are not taking time off, you are unemployed!
* Still thinking about what to do as a philanthropist? It is sort of like deciding that you want to be a writer and then spending most of your life thinking about what you can write and how but never actually producing any writing. The most effective philanthropy is that which is driven by a genuine life-long interest, to the extent of being an obsession, in something. If you have to think about what you are interested in (other than the image of being a philanthropist), then you should perhaps think of another career.
What could you do that is all online and does not require you to leave home other than for shopping, beauty treatments, socialising and travelling, and that you can start right now? (By the time the coronavirus pandemic ends, you would have built up the following to get the merching deals and freebies.) Judging by your content on The Tig, here are some suggestions for The Tig Reloaded:
* Photographs of yourself accompanied by a woke saying, usually not credited, of the day (daily inspiration with Meghan)
* Photographs of yourself with dogs, usually on your bed or on a couch (at home with Meghan today)
* Photographs of yourself socialising, at a party or restaurant, with a friend (cue Markus) or whatever celebrity is in the vicinity and will pose with you (socialising with Meghan)
* Photographs of food, drinks, books or flowers with a cryptic message (not appearing in a photograph to fuel speculation should be kept to a minimum)
* Photographs of yourself, occasionally with friends, at a holiday destination with local attractions only featuring if they form an appropriate backdrop for Meghan (travelling with Meghan)
* Photographs of you with Archie and a woke 'mothering' quote of the day ... reluctant to go there and Harry says no, but it would be a winner (mothering with Meghan)
Today's top story on Page Six (probably lifted to that spot by one of Meg's famous bot farms)
If I'm so smart how come I (xxxxx) don't have a bot farm working for me? And for mere pennies per day.
@Lt Lyota Uhura
Hope this article copied from Page Six might help with your question
A spokesman for Sunshine Sachs said it is not advising Markle personally, and denied that the Duchess said she wants to “break the internet.”
“We briefly worked on the Vogue project in the US market and were retained in the past few weeks for the launch of Travalyst in the US market,” Chris Bastardi said, referring to Prince Harry’s “sustainable travel” initiative.
He added that Prince Harry is paying the Sunshine Sachs consulting fees out of his own pocket.
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"Sustainable travel" my foot.
Why pay for the expensive Sunshine Sachs PR machine when the L.A. region is full of young up and comer PR agents who are almost as good? The Bank of Charles approves of this move to economize. Same as M$H will be saving on hiring local private security. Who this absurd Libby Duo want to have gun carry permits.
Thanks for your concern; I am absolutely fine and have been hunker down at home with my cat for the last two weeks. I’ve been lurking in reading but not posting because I really don’t find myself with anything new to say about the now completely irrelevant HAMS. Such incredible self-absorption as they both display at the time of a global pandemic is beyond repugnant. Even if her elephant video hadn’t been such a disaster, and I’m saving that little treat for some day when I think I can stand to listen to it, it’s hard to imagine a post apocalyptic world such as we will be dealing with later this year, will have any time whatsoever for washed up former prince and has sociopathic grifting wife with her delusions of stardom. Harry may retain the courtesy title of Prince on account of being Charles’s son, but it has as much royalty attached to it as the late artist Prince, or MJ’s eldest Prince Michael. Harry’s nothing but a trashy footnote now.
In our current world, with hundreds of thousands dead and nearly every family poised to be affected by sickness and loss of this plague, the plague known as MarkleVirus Has been affectively neutralized at least. By her insistence on petrol bombing the Royal family and her undeserving berth within it, She has effectively Markled herself. Destruction is Meg’s only talent, And she’s so good at it she’s managed to ruin herself, With Harry as collateral damage. Oh, they’ll probably scrounge a few million here and there...People have always flocked to freak shows and willingly bought tickets. But I don’t think Meg realizes, in her self delusion, that people flock to freak shows to jeer, not to admire. And she has got to be one of the biggest American freaks and frauds ever to come down the pike.
You both make good sense, sadly.
The thing is, Markle will never prevail.
Never.
Too many of us have her number.
@Scandi, Charade and anyone who has noticed my verbose offerings missing for a while:.....
Harry may retain the courtesy title of Prince on account of being Charles’s son, but it has as much royalty attached to it as the late artist Prince, or MJ’s eldest Prince Michael. Harry’s nothing but a trashy footnote now.
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Could not have said it better.
Thanks for this blog and the questions you pose.
It's curious how we we're getting so many insipid stories about M considering she's doing nothing. The only time Harry is mentioned is in relation to her.
As far as M and the Tiger King goes, Tiger King is a compelling story with real albeit crazy people, endangered animals. M is just a cipher. Notice none of her documentaries got the viewers and positive ratings as Tiger King.
If I were the Obamas I'd be very insulted with repeated claims of:
The closest comparison to Meghan and Harry will be the Obamas and what they’re actually doing, I mean they’ve created an entertainment entity where they’re producing documentaries and I think that will be a similar route that Meghan and Harry can certainly take.
Speaking of racism, how dare they put themselves in the same league as the Obamas who are very well educated and accomplished while M & H are not. The families the Sussexes are closer to appear on reality TV shows.
Again IMO this is M putting out there the comparison to the Obamas hoping Netflix or some other entity will bite.
Hilari - missed your thoughts especially when the talk of ads in Japan. You have a nice knowledge base.
the absolute irelavance will be bone crushing as people turn more and more toward just hand to mouth existence between crying jags at the loss of their family and friends
no amount of money thrown at this will turn the attention toward her/them in any sort of way except to compare in a Let them eat cake kind of way for a long time
Nutty? people are reading. would you be open to running a just books, not a daily kind of run update? If not, I understand. That offer is still out there if you think you might want back up by the way.
Any further attempts from her and Harry to trash the RF, I predict, will not go over well. HMTQ is a symbol of stability and comfort for everyone right now. MM has caused chaos from day one. She must be kicking herself as to why she and Harry insisted on leaving the RF, when they simply could have worked less.
In the months following the lift on lockdown, people will simply be trying to survive. No one will have the funds nor the desire to travel to remote destinations. It will take years for the travel industry to recover from this in general.
Loved this quote from MM’s hairdresser:
“The way she approaches things is how an everyday woman would approach things — she has a real sense of style and she wanted to look approachable, even though she was a princess,” he said.”
Don’t you get the feeling that the princess title is important to MM, just as the HRH title did?
Really getting tired of staying home. We walk everyday, but I really miss my friends and family, especially the grandchildren who grow so fast. We are FaceTiming, which helps. Thankful we and our family are healthy and have adequate supplies.
Aside from perceptions of high class, there's another type of Western celebrities making commercials in Japan, and that is the perception of them being big stars. You can be a big star who's on the way down but not so much so. The idea of Western celebs being much in demand for Japanese commercials, it's not true anymore and hasn't been for a while. Reason being East Asian stars are now appreciated on an International level. So instead of 2003 with Britney making commercials in Japan, it's now K-Pop idols plus other popular models and actors.
Once Harry's behavior sinks more into the Japanese consciousness he won't be considered quality or dutiful anymore. Once Harry's star dims then so will Meghan's. They're not movie stars or talented people. Lastly, the Japanese do not look kindly to people who ditch their parents or to celebs who crassly promote themselves.
Wait for the repercussions from LA...
Then it'll be `Take cover! Incoming!!!'
Cookie Shark you crack me up with your humor.😄😊
The Harkles need "a break" for a few months?
All they've done for the past year is been on break!
I have to laugh. In the midst of a very unfunny pandemic, the Harkles have been totally and completely neutered. They add NOTHING to anyone's lives right now. They are USELESS.
It'll take a miracle for them to become pertinent again once Covid-19 dies down, and that won't be for months at least.
The Harkles timing was so spectacularly bad to leave financial security when they did.
They are spectacularly irrelevant in this new world we live in. Go away and take a break, $mirkles. We will all have moved on when you are ready to return to public life.
Take @Nutty's post, add @Sandie's, @The Lt's, @Hikari's, @AbbyH's comments,
shake,
pour into an icy glass,
and sprinkle with all of the other insightful comments, and you've got the perfect contemptini, figuratively speaking.
I don't have much to add except to say I'd never thought of the PR addiction this way before reading Nutty's post, but yes, it's like Rach is a PR Hoarder and the virtual boxes are stacked to the ceiling. It doesn't matter what's in them or if she already has a box filled with the same thing. It doesn't need to be relevant, useful, timely, or truthful. It just needs to be more, more, more.
@Charade re this: Meg would make a fortune if Archie’s birth came out to be a true scandal. Do you mean from all of the articles and interviews? I can see that happening, but at this point, do you think there's any positive way for her to spin this so that this cash grab wouldn't utterly destroy her? I can argue it both ways, but am interested in your thoughts :)
And while I don't have much to add in terms of answers, I do have some "out there" questions related to PR. I have no answers, but...:
Could that "will only work with A-list" directors PR have come from someone other than Rach? Someone intent on revealing who she really is?
The reason I wondered that is because there seems to be (at the very least) two fronts on the BRF PR.
The first, the one I expected: the we're so shocked and hurt and we love them and we really, really tried and did we mention we're so shocked and hurt and that we gave her everything and we really, really tried? bit. I have always thought that would be their tack. And I'm sure the some are hurt and others are incandescent with rage still. But shocked? Not sure I'm buying that last bit as much since anyone with any sense could see Rach coming from outer space, and W&K had the scarves at the ready. But it sure bolsters their defense.
The second front is the drip-drop (and the drops are getting bigger) leaks of behind the scenes stuff that is coming out (obvs from BRF sources) that paints a picture of an unpleasant Dumbarton duo. Those leaks stir anger already there, poking the bear. And they protect the BRF and support the 'really, really tried' front.
But could there be a third front?
I remember that some of us thought the "they'll make millions! billions! They'll be fabulous globally!" might have come from the BRF and not the Dumbartons. Ditto with some of the comments about who was advising her. That forced Obama and celebrity hands to come out and make statements against. It was quite undermining and made the Dumbartons look like silly graspers (which, of course, is just holding up a mirror to the truth).
Could this "A List" piece be part of that? Because it sure makes her look really awful, but what is she going to do about it? Come out with a piece that says "no, I don't!". If so, how does she do that?
I know nothing about PR and would love to hear Nutty's thoughts and those of other Nuttiers in the know re how much this costs and how these stories can be placed.
MM's thirst is typical of many Hollywood's starlets and she hit the lottery by snagging feckless Harry. But, like many lottery winners, she truly does not understand that unchecked windfalls can also lead to downfall...both personal and financial. No amount of PR can help those whose thirst out weighs rationality. MM is the antithesis of HM and what the monarchy stands for. It is just as well that she and JH jumped ship because neither have what it takes to be anything but an embarrassment to the monarchy.
On a side note, I enjoy everyone's insightful comments. I am married to an Englishman and love reading about the monarchy. Stay safe everyone.
It's almost like the Universe heard the Dumbartons say they were "coming together as a catalyst for change" to make travel more environmentally responsible (with a cut from the travel and credit card industries, of course lol) and the Universe replied,
"You know what, I've got a better idea. Hold my contemptini..."
Just before Edward VIII abdicated, he was the nation’s pin-up.
Weeks later the joke was: “He used to be Admiral of the Fleet, now he’s the third mate on an American tramp
Actually, I think the tabloids were too soft on MM. Anybody remember the Sussexes' official visit to Morocco in February of last year? The tabs wrote about how eye-wateringly expensive her clothes were (the Dior caftan, for instance, which reportedly cost $10,000) yet somehow they missed the fact that she committed several breaches of protocol and insulted the host country. The constant PDA's offended, since Morocco is a Muslim country and PDA's are frowned on. Even worse, at receptions she repeatedly barged ahead of Harry and stuck her hand out for a handshake. I find it impossible to believe that nobody told her that royal protocol dictated that Harry go first and that women are not supposed to barge ahead of their husbands and shake hands in Morocco, so I can only conclude that she knew exactly what was expected of her and decided to give the BRF, Morocco and the UK a giant finger.
The kindest comment of it all is re Rach:
She’s a competent actress...
In my humble opinion Harkles have already pressed the nuclear button - separation from the RF. Compared with that everything they do will be mundane and trivial as a flea.
Japanese commercial? OK, stop their security, they have money
Big role? OK, stop their security, they have money
Another lecture to big bankers? Ok, stop their security they have money
Travalyst? Stillborn
A new foundation? Big yawn.
A new picture of Archie? How cute, never mind, next.
Return to UK? Scroungers, leeches, failures. F off. Charles drinks sedatives, Wills pulls up his sleeves, Kate has a hat pin ready.
Court case with MoS? Go, Mail, kick her sorry a***! Pictures, put her on a witness stand, roast her! How entertaining for a day or two. Done, dusted.
There is only one big piece of news left for them. Divorce and money battle
You're missing a zero!
Really agree, Elle, and I'm glad you're back. I was watching how you were reacting to CatEyes to decide what I was going to do. I've never participated in a discussion where my ideas were described as "nauseous."
Dan Wooton has used his wit and scathing sense of humor more than once speaking of the Harkles.
Her biggest ever mistake was accusing everybody, all media of unfair coverage, while opposite is true. There are very good journos, and they will not let her get away with it, n'est pa?
going forward I too will not engage such behavior as it was made abundantly clear I have an unfortunate mental illness with 3 or 4 distinct personalities that causes me to go off the rails..I hope I get my medication adjusted ;)
again I apologize and wish you and all great health and mental wellness
thanks for article @sylvia twas a good one😜
@Fairy Crocodile, certainement!
Is it weird that I'm American and glued to BBC to hear the Queen real time?
Well, now how will Rach play HMTQ's speech? Is wearing green "reaching out"? How many stories from this?
I personally thought the speech was wonderful, but I'm an easy sell. I also thought HMTQ looked impeccable, and her calming soft green with blue and the cream of the pearls perfectly lovely.
I missed it typing to you Elle, jerk! I am so kidding. thank you for accepting my apology :)
And here it comes up again!
I think Meghan would have been attracted to Scientology for two reasons:
1. A lot of Hollywood A-listers were connected and Meghan has always had a tendency to join clubs that could connect her to the 'right people'.
2. She would have been attracted by the spiel of being completely in control of your destiny and getting everything you want.
BUT, no way would Meghan have been able to do auditing because she is not honest. I also cannot see Meghan paying out the huge fees to 'climb the ladder' in Scientology. Meghan gets where she wants to be through freebies. I suspect her father paid for a couple of classes or she somehow got money from him to do so and then when he found out what she was doing, he put a stop to it.
Does anyone know anything about Scientology, or enough to speculate which classes she took and how it influenced her behaviour? (She would have aced the ghosting lessons!)
It made it even more pronounced that all royals stand with their nation and Harry doesn't.
Duke of Malibu.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Uhura and @AbbyH, I must admit I do not know the cost of a DM article. My guess is $5000-$10,000, with the difference being timing and placement, but that’s only a guess.
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I'm afraid I don't know either, but judging by "clicks" alone, Markle articles seem to garner quite a few. Whether or how this translates into dollars/pounds/etc., is a matter of conjecture.
For anyone who has not seen it, this is the Queen's televised address.
Great speech by HM. No books, no family photos, no knicknacks to distract from the fact that the UK, its people--doctors, military, volunteers, etc. are the important ones to thank at this time. Even the Queen who could command all the attention, can deflect to those making the sacrifices. Unlike MM, who can't move past being the center of attention for any cause.
No one is pointing a gun at readers/posters here to force them to visit.
If one doesn't like it here, don't visit. Simple as that.
I, for one, appreciate Nutty Flavor's even-handed approach to those who try her patience to the utmost with their emotionalism. (Including my own.) It is up to us to repay her patience with respect for one another and points of view. I won't take sides in any of these back and forths.
This blog is a beacon of civility in an Internet of chaos. It is very important to me, and to us all.
GROW UP.
'Duke of Malibu' 🤣
also too, the brooch HM was wearing. I recall in previous posts many discussing many have significant meaning. any history on today's selection?
I enjoyed the Queen’s speech. I thought it was well written and well delivered.
The footage showed British citizens of all backgrounds working together to support each other and save lives.
The Queen also referred to “people of all faiths, and none”.
Meg can’t teach her anything about diversity.
Shortening my previous comment :
Also, thanks! @Brown-eyes, PortCityGirl, Queen Whitby...
My comment to Nutty on the last thread wasn't to say that I was leaving, just that I felt like the only way to stop this was to leave.
So, thank you.
And @Genia, speaking of learning, thank you for that Japanese v. Chinese insight!
If I see any reference to the brooch HMQ wore during her speech tonight I shall let you know
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/style/1265335/queen-elizabeth-address-turquoise-brooch-pictures
I thought it was chosen b/c of the calm tones of green and blue, but I'm sure there's more significance.
A poster complained about your comment on this matter the other night (it was a different 'Unknown' and they said so, even added an lol). Try to understand what Terms of Service means and I bet you didn't even read it. Nutty is not allowing Cat Eyes freedom of speech as is required and she is allowing bullying, hardly actions of an even-handed approach'.
She has not even the semblance of patience, as shown by her immediate censorship of deleting Cat Eyes post of the Terms of Service (which binds us to Goggle's rules) and her other responsive posts. In all of this there hasn't been one example of what Cat Eyes said that was insulting like Tatty nor did she keep bringing this situation up, this has been you, Elle, and others who keep it going. maybe you should get a level of maturity to analyze the facts (Terms of Service) and be fair.
Far for me to care if you are one of the bully mob or just an idle trouble-maker casting aspersions on a good lady which is what Cat Eyes is. She has provided much humor here when you have mostly thrown out strident screams about the HAMS with little substance from what I've read. You remarks are set at loud, condemning accusations of the couple without much in the way of thought-out-analysis (maybe that's all you can do). As Miss Scarlett says 'Bless Your Heart'.
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day."
I love the Queen, and I honor her long service to her country. Being a bit emotional here, I admit. I lost my Father to the Korean War. Not today, but the Queen's speech brought a few things back.
Can't we please agree to agree today about something, anything.
Imagine, mooching in Malibu, bleating about philanthropic yearnings, while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING humanitarian for the people of the country that pay for your existence. People in Britain, and worldwide are facing the struggle of their lifetime, yet these two faux humanitarians are taking a few months off to lounge by the pool and re-invent themselves. The “optics” are incredibly bad.
“We will succeed and that success will belong to every one of us”......all except Prince Harry.
"Duke of Malibu"
HILARIOUS!!!! "Just Harry, Duke of Malibu"
My husband and I just watched the Queen's message. I had to clear the plates because I was getting emotional and didn't want him to see.
She had just the right tone.
I'm very surprised $mirkle didn't try to upstage it somehow.
I have a bad feeling Hawwy will be crawling back after his "break from the previous breaks".
Thanks @Uhura.
I enjoyed the Queen’s speech. I thought it was well written and well delivered.
The footage showed British citizens of all backgrounds working together to support each other and save lives.
The Queen also referred to “people of all faiths, and none”.
Meg can’t teach her anything about diversity.
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No, indeed.
Thanks, Nutty F. On a night where I am alone and frightened, you are a touchstone.
Hope you are the same to others like me. Somehow, I think so.
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Okay, I have words for all you stupid idiots who insist on acting like children who never grew up.
LEAVE NUTTY FLAVOR ALONE.
Thatisall.
Thank you for link for HM's speech. It brought tears to my eyes.
May we all follow her great and steady example. God save the Queen. It feels like she is Queen of the world in these dark days.
Count me as one of those who is very glad you're back!
Another odd thing I came across is photographs of Meghan leaving a beauty parlour, leaning against a wall outside to make a call, and then hailing a cab. This was a couple of days before the weekend that Pippa Middleton got married (May 2017, which was a year after Meghan and Harry met and about 6 after she successfully outed their relationship, after numerous attempts to do so with not-so-subtly hints, if my timeline is correct). Why did Meghan, who must still have been working on Suits, hotfoot it over to the UK for a few days for a wedding that she was not invited to? Why did she have to hail a cab? If she was staying with Harry could he not have arranged a car to drop her off and fetch her from the beauty salon?
https://skippyv20.tumblr.com/post/614576434076336128/what-fun
@Lt. Nyota U. love the Queen, and I honor her long service to her country. Being a bit emotional here, I admit. I lost my Father to the Korean War. Not today, but the Queen's speech brought a few things back.
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Thank you, Reine.
I miss him every single day. You are kind to give me a thank-you.
I also choked up when I watched the Queen's address.
She is from the era of WWII so she is probably the only senior royal who could have made such an address with such meaning.
I hope they read here before launching their new brand ;) Duke and Duchess of Malibu might inspire them. I'm actually waiting to see if they're both reflected in that brand. Would the Duchess want to rebrand a third time after the divorce? I'd think not, so I expect a name that works single or double, as Sussex Royal did. Of course, they couldn't have gone with Sussexes Royal anyway (I credit Prince Philip for that lol).
Take heart from HM's dress & brooch:
Turquoise. colour and brooch with a perfect turquoise stone - a semi-precious mineral, but this one looked flawless, which is very rare and worthy of the diamonds.
I looked for its meaning:
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As somone said a little while ago, HM sends messages with her clothes. In this case, what more could one want?
IF ELLE WOULD HAVE LEFT ME ALONE AND NUTTY FOLLOWED THE LAW, we wouldn't be talking about this. NUTTY STARTEd IT BY 'ILLEGALLY BANNING ME; Lt Urhura; YOU AND ALL THE SIMPLETONS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND GOOGLE LAW, LEAVE ME ALONE!!
Well you lost your father, I'm sorry but I lost my Father a multi-decorated Hero, an Army Medic Parachutist, dropping in the front lines saving lives without a rifle during the great Gen. MacArthur's campaign thru the South Pacific in WWII. He fought for my right to have freedom of speech (and yours) and this country to be free so such a co. like Google can exist and you can have post against me. My Uncle was in the Korean conflict but he did his job and came back and became a doctor (so did my dad) saving lives.
I stand up for justice and the law because it is in my genetics. Oh like Elle, I apologize that I have to say this but I was baited.
I miss him every single day. You are kind to give me a thank-you.
I know what omnipresent loss and grief feel like too well, and so without getting too OT, I will just share this:
IMO, that part about time healing all wounds is wrong. Time just dulls the pain, but the loss never goes away, and we miss them even more because it's been so long, and then something comes along, and wham, back there again in the sharp pain. So, I'm not a big hugger, but virtual hug across the universe to you today on that.
They are continually firing polite shots over the bow, warning her to knock it off, but she’s desperate at this point. At some point they will lift the super injunctions against the press and ask her filthy laundry will be aired, the most powerful one being her alleged pregnancy, which will finally grind her into the dust. Once she’s exposed, nothing she says will be taken seriously ever again. And NO ONE will hire her. People don’t like being duped. And given her current popularity numbers, she doesn’t have any wiggle room. One massive reveal and she will be labeled a liar, and no amount of articles on her messy bun being a statement of sophisticated sloppiness will matter one iota.
I think the BRF were hoping that the DM court case would do a lot of their dirty work for them, but I don’t think it’s “big” enough. And it needs to be something that won’t damage Harry more than he’s already damaged in the public’s eye. Which is problematic for them.
Of course, she didn’t anticipate this, thinking that Archie was her trump card, except it isn’t. It’s now her biggest liability IMO. But until the BRF decides it’s time to lower the boom, it will be months of the kind of speculation we’ve seen over the last two weeks. And they will not lower the boom until the virus has run its course. Over 5000 deaths in the U.K. So far. They are not publicity whores and would not create those types of headlines when people are dying all over the U.K.
So she can spin her endless nonsense. I’m like, yawn. It’s all along the lines of how fabulous she is and it’s nothing but rinse and repeat. The day I really begin to pay attention again is when the BRF decides enough is enough. This, IMO, is why she’s desperate to get a hold of the narrative when there isn’t, currently any opportunity for her to create a narrative as a foil against when the BRF will disclose her shenanigans, even if in a bid to get Harry back and out of her clutches. Literally. Markle should be nicer to Harry. If he walks out, it will be her day of reckoning.
"People in US, how soon a person without the green card on a visitor allowance will be booted out?"
The consensus is 90 days; it's a reciprocal agreement. But he can't work without a green card, which I didn't know. (I think once you apply, you get some kind of provisional permit.)
On the DM article saying PH probably WON'T apply for a green card, a lot of commenters are suggesting there's already trouble in paradise. Not one or two commenters, but a lot of them.
@Lt. Uhura
IF ELLE WOULD HAVE LEFT ME ALONE AND NUTTY FOLLOWED THE LAW, we wouldn't be talking about this. NUTTY STARTEd IT BY 'ILLEGALLY BANNING ME; Lt Urhura; YOU AND ALL THE SIMPLETONS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND GOOGLE LAW, LEAVE ME ALONE!!
Well you lost your father, I'm sorry but I lost my Father a multi-decorated Hero, an Army Medic Parachutist, dropping in the front lines saving lives without a rifle during the great Gen. MacArthur's campaign thru the South Pacific in WWII. He fought for my right to have freedom of speech (and yours) and this country to be free so such a co. like Google can exist and you can have post against me. My Uncle was in the Korean conflict but he did his job and came back and became a doctor (so did my dad) saving lives.
I stand up for justice and the law because it is in my genetics. Oh like Elle, I apologize that I have to say this but I was baited.
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I know. Believe me, I know.
I spent many useless years trying to figure out how my Dad would have made life better for us.
He will always be a hero to me. He went and fought when his country called him, and he lost his life.
It is up to us to keep his life going. At least, that is how I see it. He wanted us to strive, strive and strive for the best life possible. Not being "given" it, but "getting" it. Does that make sense?
@Lt. You're welcome. This makes me choke up, too
I miss him every single day. You are kind to give me a thank-you.
I know what omnipresent loss and grief feel like too well, and so without getting too OT, I will just share this:
IMO, that part about time healing all wounds is wrong. Time just dulls the pain, but the loss never goes away, and we miss them even more because it's been so long, and then something comes along, and wham, back there again in the sharp pain. So, I'm not a big hugger, but virtual hug across the universe to you today on that.
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Thanks, Reine :)
I am a Christian, so I know that my Redeemer Liveth :) -- my Dad knew it as well, so I am not afraid to "go". You won't go either, because you gave me goodness on a day when I really needed it.
See you on the other side :)
@elle thanks for the link!
dare I say this is first time Meg has shown any restraint . thought for sure we would get a "never before seen" pic of Archie or pic of something she did 8 years ago
I wonder how Harry feels after watching his grandmother's speech.
Yes I agree with you because my father stressed being the best you could be and I owe my good ethics to him. He came from very poor circumstances (picked cotton at age 8).
The world would be a better place if we all strived to be our best. Maybe this CV-19 is bringing that out in some people, well unfortunately for many, it is not. This is a war not of armed conflict but of biology and how we respond determines if we are 'good and loyal' soldiers to our fellow man. I believe this crisis will bring about change in our society, and I pray it will be the lasting good kind.
I wonder how Harry feels after watching his grandmother's speech.
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I hope he feels like a World Class Heel. Sorry, but I hate him. Yes, hate.
I try to be a good human, but I fall well short.
@Lt, Uhura
I believe this crisis will bring about change in our society, and I pray it will be the lasting good kind.
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I pray you are right.
Thank you! Harry can afford good lawyers but fundamentally law is the same for all. He has to have paperwork in place to be able to stay in USA>
And something tells me that if he broke regulations - like simply using his defunct diplomatic passport to get in - authorities will not be overly benevolent.
I feel like I should say by lol. thanks for great insightful day everyone. dinner time!
<3 (it's supposed to be a heart)
Wizard, excellent comment,and adding my thoughts:
Markle is firmly in the camp of any attention is good attention. Except if it makes you look like a narcissistic looney tune. And I think all of this hinges on how far she will go and the BRF finally having enough.
YES!! THIS! Any attention is good attention because the spotlight must always remain on her, but I rarely see a positive comment about her now, so I do think she's headed to even more desperate behavior. I've never been to CB or DList, but I know that the woke comments on my Twitter feed have disappeared. I think she will escalate, which brings us to this...
They are continually firing polite shots over the bow, warning her to knock it off, but she’s desperate at this point. At some point they will lift the super injunctions against the press... Once she’s exposed, nothing she says will be taken seriously ever again. And NO ONE will hire her. People don’t like being duped...
Agree totally. Polite shots over the bow don't work with a narcissist. They'll smile for a bit, then wait to pounce asap. We've seen that repeatedly with her. And, like all narcs, she plays the pity card when caught/cornered and/or lashes out nastily. Normal people do not play the pity card; normal people don't want our pity. Normal people may ask for help, but even then, it's not easy. Pity cards are played to manipulate, and I fully expect Rach to throw down a hand of them soon enough. But as you say, at some point, those super injunctions are lifted, and the Devil will take the hindmost. And my guess it will be a bloody ample one lol.
...it needs to be something that won’t damage Harry more than he’s already damaged in the public’s eye. Which is problematic for them.
YEP.
And they will not lower the boom until the virus has run its course. Over 5000 deaths in the U.K. So far. They are not publicity whores and would not create those types of headlines when people are dying all over the U.K.
Agree completely. It is one reason the "we tried, we really tried" was their best option, too. The BRF does not run screaming from the palace shouting about The American like it's Jerry Springer time. They did not survive hundreds of years by being drama queens. Rach, OTOH, has no sense of decency. She must disrupt and hurt others to force the attention. Imagine needing to be the spotlight during this global devastation? But eventually, this will pass, and yes, till then...
Markle should be nicer to Harry. If he walks out, it will be her day of reckoning.
When the Duchess of Malibu becomes the Duchess of Mooch forever after. I wonder if she could move back in with Doria or Thomas lol.
—Prince Harry helped with her pronunciation (i.e. she’s a dunce)
— She’s not seen Doria since returning to Los Angeles (i.e ditching family)
— Meg will "only work with A-list directors, like Ava Duvernay" (a statement certainly set to annoy Hollywood; in fact it emphasized the “cheesy” roles she’s being offered)
—Taking a few months off before launching new brand because they need a break (stated as they want more column inches)
Can someone explain why Meghan would have hired Sunshine Sachs to market the Vogue editorial?
The only reason I can think of was to make sure it was the best-selling edition of all time to 'increase the value of Meghan'. It was focused on the USA market (she had already decided to ditch the UK and head back to the USA).
Meghan thinks in terms of number of followers and likes (so, number of copies sold was her goal ... not considering that 10% more copies sold than any other best-selling edition at a hugely discounted price is not a business success). Months after the Vogue issue, she released that video that was all about establishing that issue as the most successful in Vogue history (number of issues, not money made and not considering the volume of what had to be given away). The BRF and her staff at the time would never have approved the release of that video but it is a clear indication of who Meghan is and what is important to her and how she respects no one.
It is amazing how she insists she's an independent, intelligent woman who can stand on her own, but then pulls out pity cards or lashes out with lawsuits and legal technicalities when she is criticised for inappropriate behaviour. Some people play this manipulative game without probably even realising it, Harry for example, as it simply works so well. Most people want to be helpful and kind. It does indeed concern me that they will build their empire in L.A. successfully, despite having abused taxpayer funds. Again, I'm beginning to wonder if the Sunshine Sachs projects (Vogue, Travalyst) were more of a prepayment with Pa's funding for the actual groundwork for their L.A. plans, as Travalyst barely seems to have been launched beyond a mention on their Instagram account and maybe a DM article, and I can scarcely being to imagine how they helped market the Vogue Editorial.
... But could there be a third front?
I remember that some of us thought the "they'll make millions! billions! They'll be fabulous globally!" might have come from the BRF and not the Dumbartons. Ditto with some of the comments about who was advising her....
Could this "A List" piece be part of that?
I know nothing about PR and would love to hear Nutty's thoughts and those of other Nuttiers in the know re how much this costs and how these stories can be placed.
I grew up with a lot of Japanese friends and neighbors and know some of their ways, so here's my take on why Harkles would flop in Japan:
Manners! Japanese are very big on manners. Even the tiniest thing Megs does or says would put them off but the Japanese way of handling such a situation would be to pretend they didn't notice out of being polite, then subtly back away from her and never look back.
By tiniest things, I mean like yawning without covering your mouth. It really grosses them out and is a huge no no. So when Megs pokes out her tongue like she does... ya.
Her blatant acts of disrespect of others, especially her father, the queen and all elders is another no no. Huge.
Interrupting others and making every topic always all about herself makes her unmarketable for Japan too. There's more, but the above are all deal breakers.
independent, intelligent woman who can stand on her own
LOL, as if. This is what's known as delusional thinking, and Rach is so deep in that, so it's why she must lash out. Her life and behavior don't match her delusion, so whenever a mirror is held up, she reaches out to break it. It's like when I wear pants that I know make me look fat (because I'm a bit chubby right now lol), and then I avoid mirrors so I don't have to see the three boxes of chocolate mint cookie spread across the midsection, down the thighs, and across the rear. It's all there, but I do not want to see it evah. Same with Rach.
Rach had dreams of world fame and a life of lux when she was very young. I think that the truth is she was moderately attractive and helped along with a lot of plastic surgery, so she's pretty enough, but by LA standards? Yeah, no. There's a reason she was on the back row behind far taller, thinner and more beautiful suitcase girls. And it's why standing next to Kate outrages her. She doesn't hate Kate for Kate. She hates the mirror that Kate provides. When Rach stands next to Kate, she is no longer the most beautiful hot girl with legs a mile long. She's the square and dumpy one. That feels terrible, but because she's not healthy emotionally, she can't deal. Reese Witherspoon wrote about this, and I really got it (she was writing about accepting herself).
Also, Rach has no talent as an actor, but could not deal with that either, so she became the suitcase girl, hustled, and climbed that greasy pole any way she could. That meant marrying Trevity-trev-trev. Then, when he couldn't get it for her and she was on a cable TV show, she jumped to the next greasy pole (the chef, Cory?) And when she was about to be an unemployed z-lister on a cable TV show, and Cory wasn't working it for her even though she'd hijacked his zucchini recipe, she found Mr. Dumbarton.
I have read the list of narcissistic behaviors, and recently, heard about "narcissistic collapse", and that all seems to fit, but IDK and am not a psychologist, so I have to ask why you don't think she is a narc. I'm not arguing, just trying to see this from a different PoV, so I hope you'll share :)
The Mail on Sunday is a British conservative newspaper, published in a tabloid format. It was launched in 1982 by Lord Rothermere. ... Like the Daily Mail it is owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust (DMGT), but the editorial staffs of the two papers are entirely separate
I don't have much to add except to say I'd never thought of the PR addiction this way before reading Nutty's post, but yes, it's like Rach is a PR Hoarder and the virtual boxes are stacked to the ceiling. It doesn't matter what's in them or if she already has a box filled with the same thing. It doesn't need to be relevant, useful, timely, or truthful. It just needs to be more, more, more.
To add to yours..... Megsy has her PF flacks put out contradictory stories. About 40% are contradictory and Megsy doesn't care. This might be intentional or unintentional. For me this is intentional as in, "Just keep throwing random stuff up there to keep me in the public consciousness. Random stuff that I think will resonate. That will strike a vibe in my sugars"
iow -- What is put out in Insta, DM, The Sun, People Magazine is all about eliciting tingles in her dim fan base
For Elle and Hikari >>>
But the cat came back, the very next day
The cat came back, they thought he was a goner
But the cat came back, just wouldn't stay away
(an old folk song)
You have described grief to a T. Two days ago, I went to Facebook and there was a "memory" video from five years ago featuring my husband and my dog. I still haven't been able to quell the pain and stupidly still think he is going to walk through the door and give me a hug.
On a more positive note, as it shows how the tides are turning, my friend, who used to think I had a problem over Meg since I saw through her, just tweeted Harry and her to "shut up"when they tweeted parts of the Queen's message right as she started speaking. She also told them they were hypocrites and should just stick to yoga. The world is recognizing her for what she is. Him too.
I also do not think they (H/M) are paying the daily mail.
Pimp Mama Kris is paying off the Daily Mail. She has to be for all the daily placements this clan gets. They are the KarTrashians, but they filled a niche, are earning their millions, I have to respect this.
While H&M are leeches, clamped onto the tenants of the Duchy of Cornwall.
And @xxxxx lol on the cat song. I googled the lyrics, and yes, whatever sticks, you're probably right. Sigh.
The only good thing about the worldwide COVID-19 crisis is that it completely put a stop to any of her money-making schemes, at least for the time being. No one is making movies or TV shows, no one is holding big conferences she can make a spectacle of herself at, and no one is "taking meetings" right now.
HM The Queen's speech today was EPIC. Absolutely magnificent, exactly like her own bad self. God save the Queen.
Such a contrast to the whining of her grandson's wife. The focus was ALL on the efforts and service of others, not once did the Queen say not many people asked if I was okay.
This was a great read.
Excerpt:
It appears that Harry and Meghan are cut loose from Britain without a proper plan, and with no clear idea how they were to finance their future life.
Security – estimated at £4million a year – would be down to him.
There’s been much talk of buying a house in uber-smart Malibu. Properties start with a £20million price tag, and Harry doesn’t have that kind of money....
It would come as no surprise to find that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex Foundation, which shut up shop last week, won’t be rekindled in the US.
Running a charity costs money and there’s no evidence Harry will ever work again to fund it.
Meghan is a big name in Los Angeles, but unless she gets bigger jobs than the voiceover she’s just done for a Disney documentary, her prospects are bleak.
She’s a competent actress but her attraction came from being royal.
And the Sussexes are no longer royal.
And so the jokes begin. This week our one-time hero was being labelled ‘Harry Markle’ while The Times said of the Duchess’s first Hollywood effort: “Meghan lays the cheese on thick in shallow documentary.”
Just before Edward VIII abdicated, he was the nation’s pin-up.
Weeks later the joke was: “He used to be Admiral of the Fleet, now he’s the third mate on an American tramp.”
Ridicule follows hard on your heels when you run away. Let’s hope Harry and Meghan can escape the void their predecessors fell into.
It would not surprise me at all if MM made sure she was pictured in order to either "force" a last minute invite from Pippa, or just be defiant, which is her calling card: "Look at me, I'm here." I would believe she made sure she was papped.
I too would be interested in your take on the narcissism (or lack of it) in MM. We tend to almost take it as a given here, and a new approach is always useful. I was almost completely unaware of narcissistic disorder (as opposed to narcissistic traits) until I became interested in the Harkle hog-fest so I am still in a pretty steep learning curve. So many nuttiers have shared their experiences with us, something for which I am very grateful.
If this is uncomfortable for you for any reason, please disregard.
One of the things I love about this blog is that all insights are welcomed. Aggression is not.
The Queens speech was lovely, calm, and elegant. I hope the Harkles feel shame for their treatment of her.
And "thanks for checking in" to the MIA nuttiers. You are missed. And "we worry" (said in my grandmother's voice) 😀
https://www.ccn.com/meghan-markle-the-ruthless-social-climber-who-married-a-prince/
It was a great read. Somehow I had missed that Trevor moved his office to NY to be closer to Toronto then M dumped him. Wow.
Pretty sure she did. Check out AnonymousHousePlant on Tumblr.
Excellent article! Thanks for the link.
@Elle
{{{Hugs}}}
Boom.Perfect.
HM The Queen's speech today was EPIC. Absolutely magnificent, exactly like her own bad self. God save the Queen.
PortCityGirl how did you get the heart to work? It won't work for me, nor will other emojis. I thought it m/b Mac-related b/c Macs and emojis get wonky on some things.
"MM has caused chaos from day one. She must be kicking herself as to why she and Harry insisted on leaving the RF, when they simply could have worked less."
This reminded me of something on TCD, but I didn't know if I could find it again. It's under a text box dated Nov. 13, 2018, and it's entitled, "This is royal tea from our MM 'TCD' closed Facebook Group. Pull up a chair and enjoy."
"According to my source, MM & PH had a meeting w/ advisors who told them QE was not happy w/ the shenanigans on their tour. Immediately, MM puckered up into a pout--the actress that she is--and gave them her best "I tried so hard, and being preggers and all I did my best...' With tears streaming down her face."
"The thing is--MM doesn't get she ain't in America anymore. Rumor has it PH didn't buy into her tears and told her to stop. MM thinks she can turn on the waterworks and all will be forgiven. 'She does not understand,' my source said, 'That she may have manipulated PH to get married, but the Queen won't let her run roughshod over the Monarchy.'"
"Later, after the advisors informed MM that she would have little to no engagements in the coming months, she then blamed Melissa saying, 'Mel is against me! She wants me to fail! She's a f*cking spy!!' This outburst supposedly happened right after the advisors left and MM had to blame someone."
"Well, gossip travels quicker than the speed of light in the palace and by the time it got back to Melissa she told PH she was leaving. Now, this can't be confirmed but rumors are PH begged her to stay but she told him: 'For the sake of your grandparents and the United Kingdom--open up your eyes. She's a monster.'"
I think part of MM's problem is that BP stopped giving her any engagements at all.
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/05/queen-elizabeth-coronavirus-address-british-resolute/
WE WILL ENDURE
@royalfamily
Queen Elizabeth II just delivered an official palace address to the UK about the coronavirus pandemic -- her basic message ... hang in there, y'all!!!
We're being flip, but that's the gist of Her Majesty's broadcast speech. QE2 tells the British to maintain their resolve, keep their good humor and spirits about them and that together ... we'll all come out on the other side of this challenging time, across the pond and beyond.
You can watch the full speech above, but what's interesting about it is the historical nature of the Queen delivering remarks like this at all -- it rarely happens outside of Christmas.
Sunday's address marks just the fourth time Liz has spoken to the public in an official speech -- again, besides her annual Christmas talks -- during her 68-year reign as Queen of England. So yeah, it's a big deal she felt the need to talk now. The 'rona got to her!
One other interesting note ... according to Deadline, the Queen's speech here was filmed with just one cameraman in the room with her (fully decked out in protective gear) while the rest of the crew monitored and tinkered from other rooms in the building.
Considering Prince Charles got hit with COVID-19 himself, the precautions probably a good idea around QE2. She's right in that age group where coronavirus can hit hard.
I know the sacrifice your dad and your family made. Know that your sacrifice made life possible for many generations to come.
@Lighthealer I am so sorry about your husband. I understand grief, though not of that kind, yet. We are all living in sorrow of one kind or another, and in our suffering, we can show grace and care to one another. There is beauty from ashes. Your personal suffering matters to us and to the world.
I thank you from my heart. My Dad and your Dad would and are probably shaking hands.
Both are helping this world!
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Hey, Harry --
THIS is how you live life, you miserable, malcontent.
Now, get rid of your stupid wife and rejoin the rest of us.
I can't give you what I would like to, which is a punch in the face.
For what you have given the Queen alone, I would count it an honor to smash you in your face.
All the rest is an honor to my name.
I can't remember if I was on my tab or phone but I just clicked on the smiley face❤ picked the heart and it popped up. SO said it may be Mac- this was from an android.
Meghan/Harry will have to be hunkered down like the rest of the world until the virus has passed. The virus will wind down about June 21/22 and be in remission, but will restart for November/December. Beginning 2021 we will be in the clear, but aware something like this is possible again.
Meghan is not feeling like this is a failure. She does not regret leaving the BRF. No. Covid19 has got in her way, just like it got in other peoples' way. But you notice it took her about a month to register that this is a bad time to be lobbying for a job in Hollywood. The Harkles will be on the down low, except for continual PR, until such time it is safe to emerge from isolation. Meghan will give it all of 2021 to use the Prince Harry name as entre' to lucrative projects. 2022 will be the telling time. Harry may get a sudden surprise, completely out of the blue in 2022.
You're right, she's a freak. Not only is she a narcissist, but I would also bet anything she's clinically a psychopath. My sister is also, I'm sorry if I keep repeating that, but you never really recover from being close to one. No matter how spoiled and arrogant he may be, it will take Harry years to recover from all this. They just operate so differently than normal people that normal people don't know how to deal with them or what to make of them at all. They have one speed and it's what can they get. The only limited relationship you can have with them, not that anyone should want to, is if you happen to end up in their lane for whatever reason. Meaning doing something they want or talking about something they want to talk about and, of course, if you're doing something for them.
Also, I can't wait wait to see what kind of photoshopped mess she comes up with for Archie's first birthday post. I would imagine they'll have to acknowledge his birthday somehow.
I checked out the virus blog. I've been staying away because it's wandering into controversy at points, and it's just too stressful. I'm to overload point on the whole thing, and what's next is too scary so I can't dwell. I can't even think about it anymore, though I have been tucked inside and scrubbing down per @Swapwoman'sprotocol. I didn't see @JocelynsBellinis posting here or there, so sending out a "hello" and "hope you're well" to my fellow PNWer.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are 'taking a few months' off before their plans to launch a brand and charity because they 'need a break', a royal expert has claimed.
IVF and/or lining up a surrogate takes time.
Meghan wants a spare child to set her anchor deeper into Harry and her connection to the “family she never had” that she left after less than two years. There will be a pregnancy announcement by autumn. She will really want a girl this time. Girls are much better for merching.
Puke!
It's not all about Them. It's about Us - the people in the UK, especially those who can't even see/be with their loved ones as they die, health staff who are living on hotels rather than risk infecting their families, people who are stranded abroad and so on. Even those over 70, like HM, who have to be isolated for safety and to reduce the risk of clogging up the NHS.
S*d the Sussexes, say I.
I'm here reading along. Everybody has such good insight, that I really haven't felt that I had anything to add to the discussion.
HMTQ's speech was perfect in tone, and it brought tears to my eyes when she said we will see each other again. She truly is the best mix of a powerful world leader and everybody's tender grandmother.
Wishing all of you good health and happiness. I'll check in again soon. Stay safe!
Could any of you clever wordsmiths rewrite the lyrics to 'California here I come' to suit Megsy this old song seems appropriate to them right now this is one of the verses
'When the wintry winds start blowing
And the snow is starting to fall
Then my eyes turn westward knowing
That's the place that I love best of all
California, I've been blue
Since I've been away from you.
I can't wait till I get going
Even now I'm starting in a call'
The Queen’s speech was perfect with its content and tone. 🤗 It was bought forward from Easter Sunday due to the rise in deaths in the UK. 😔
Calling her or anyone you've never personally met a psychopath is almost stirring up hate against that person and quite irresponsible. I'd be extremely careful. All these terms people are bandying around overwhelmingly affect more males than females- psychopathy, malignant narcissism vs the other non-agentic kinds of narcissism, which fit more into her modus operandi. As Dr. House says, it's almost never Lupus, and the same thing goes for NPD, psychopathy, sociopathy, and so on.
The reason why such traits of these disorders are so easy to find in people is because people are actually all given a degree of narcissism as a baseline personality trait in Western psychology, as well as . Toddlers could be classified as suffering from sociopathy and NPD, but they're not really. The diagnoses involve more than just identifying the traits and require extensive training in how to identify the context and judge severity. Psychologists and psychiatrists are likely more equipped for the task; mental health counselors and therapists certainly less so.
Manipulation of other people and their emotional responses is something arguably taught as part of socialisation of daughters and women when they come from more traditional, hierarchical families or have more conservative views on power and gender equality. I daresay, calling someone you don't like a psychopath is a manipulative technique to influence others into disliking them as strongly as you do. Having your opinion validated by a large group is a reward that many people seek to feel like they are powerful, intellectual, insightful, and so forth - reward-seeking behaviour without regard to the feelings of others, including Meghan Markle, is a sign of anti-social personality disorder but clearly you are simply angry. Anger is often just anger, as self-centeredness is simply self-centeredness. Both in small doses are fine; in large doses, they're bad enough as is without having to exaggerate with extra, outdated labels.
The Mail on Sunday is a British conservative newspaper, published in a tabloid format. It was launched in 1982 by Lord Rothermere. ... Like the Daily Mail it is owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust (DMGT), but the editorial staffs of the two papers are entirely separate.’
I’d add to that, the online version of the DM is different from the printed version, different editors and different team. You don’t see many (near to none) of the PR pieces in the printed version. 🤗
@Lindy, The online DM has numerous paid for PR articles by many so called (z list) celebs, these people aren’t relevant in their own right, because most don’t posses a talent or skill. So without their paid for PR these people wouldn’t exist.
Please allow me to clarify. This is just a comment to tell you more is coming!
If the MOS is different than the DM, could they be different accounting which is why we see a lot more fluff during the week? and not so much on Sunday as they are being sued.
Only much later did I realise that narcissism explained the rest of it, the attempts at gaslighting that almost succeeded, the way he turned friends against me and so on.
Many/?most of us have had bitter experience of narcissists, both pure and with added psychopathy.
We can smell 'em a mile off.
Marie - I take it you are a professional - Would you mind telling us more about your background, please? Thank you.
My main problem is largely in calling her a narcissist to refer to "malignant" narcissism. I never got the feeling that you did that, though. In general, malignant narcissism isn't truly a working tool used by practicing psychologists, psychiatrists, or mental health therapists outside of films, old social-psychology papers, and reddit forums or blogs. Malignant narcissism is pretty much on par with severe psychopathy, i.e. truly evil and without regard for human life. I really dislike the blogs like a royal narcissist that sensationalise a real disorder that causes real distress to both the person and the people around them. Also, this is going to be an unpopular opinion but some people who have been hurt by a "narcissist" may have been betrayed by just a plain spiteful, selfish person yet need the name/label to deal with the betrayal because for them, it's a way of processing it. Sadly, emotional skills are not taught as a preventative measure but only after someone is much older and already hurting. If we could get society, schools, religious organisations, and families to teach tools to children in the same way they learn maths, reading, and writing, I do think society would be improved, both to reduce perpetrators and to help victims of emotional abuse or just plain nastiness. Until then, we have the current messes that we see everywhere from people unable to respond healthily and thoughtfully of others. Some people, as you have correctly commented, tend to lash out at others when they are caught behaving poorly. The cognitive dissonance of their self image contrasted with the complaint of an external person is simply too much for someone with low self-esteem or low emotional regulation or neuroticism to bear, and so they try to point fingers and say it's the other person's fault instead. That's not necessarily narcissism though.
Secondly, there's an opinion that such diagnoses, like anti-social personality disorder, should not be used to condemn or label or criticise someone but to help heal and improve quality of life. It's much like someone who is feeling chronically tired or can't lose weight but is dismissed by society as fabricating it or being lazy - giving them a diagnosis empowers them to feel like it is curable or at least manageable. A more concrete example, type 2 diabetes in the West is often correlated with morbid obesity, which is often very negatively viewed as a personality trait (oh that fat person is extremely lazy, lacks proper willpower, and eats too much.). Yet type 2 diabetes is seen as a medical diagnosis to propose a treatment, not as another way to criticise someone obese about their personal choices.
Part two to follow, due to character limits per post.
There are practical reasons why she might be an NPD, but we don't know for sure though. It's easy to underestimate how much context and severity are needed to truly apply the diagnostic tools of a checklist. People can display quite a few traits on the NPD checklist at any given time. From these blog comments alone, you could find these traits. Ambitious people tend to display even more; it's the negative effects that really push it over into the actual diagnosis, which again, is given (if at all) to heal and not to criticise or simply explain "Hey, guess what? You're an asshole. That will be 150 please."
Another reason is that narcissism or self-centeredness is actually can be considered a personality trait in everyone, but on a sliding scale. People who are extremely self-effacing, surprisingly also can be suffering from NPD. Narcissism in small doses can be considered to be healthy for self-identity and to get through difficult patches in life without giving up, so I feel uncomfortable stigmatising it as well. Besides, clinical NPD has many forms and subtypes aren't fully agreed upon yet. There's a developing part of research that is considering whether extreme altruism for the purpose of courting favour with a group might be a form of narcissism expressed by women, since NPD is actually more to be seen in men.
There are steps before a full-blown NPD as well. Neuroticism, or the tendency to make emotional experiences negative, is one of the Big 5 personality traits. Everyone has a range of neuroticism, but people scoring high on the scale, combined with low ability for emotional regulation, might exhibit traits we're seeing in Meghan's outbursts via the press. They would not be able to deal with criticism or minor frustrations, as well as be extremely emotional reactive. Combine that with insecurity or low self-esteem, you might get someone who is not able to maintain certain kinds of relationships. Her highly emotional, impulsive outbursts and cracks in her image are rather why I see her less as an NPD and more as someone who has problems with emotional regulation. She seems more like a young teenage girl.
@Wizard Wench
Everything you said , makes absolute sense. Totally agree , the BRF will wait for the virus crisis to be over. I speculate months of anxiety on both sides.
The song you quote for Megsy was written and sung by Al Jolson----California Here I Come by
Al Jolson
Wikipedia:
Jolson has been dubbed "the king of blackface" performers,[5][6] a theatrical convention since the mid-19th century. With his dynamic style of singing jazz and blues, he became widely successful by extracting traditionally African-American music and popularizing it for white American audiences who were otherwise not receptive to the originators.
I was really not aware of the implication I really didn't mean it to e offensiveI was unaware of the songs origins or singer just linking the song to the return to California as it being her home I realise now you've alerted me I stupidly just thought it an old song can I remove the comment?Thank you for pointing this out to me
Your piece from TCD and comment "I think part of MM's problem is that BP stopped giving her any engagements at all." hits the nail on the head, would also go some way to explaining the "secret" visits
Thank you for your overview. As you pointed, without access to her medical file nobody can definitely say if she sufferes from mental disorder or what type of disorder. The only comment I have to this is when I see a person who behaves like she does to others I do not go into reflection about the finer differences between emotional instability and mental illness. I simply stay away from this person. And sure thing I do not want this person to represent me in any way.
So I am glad she is no longer representing UK and extent of her mental problems is Harry's issue. I will also be glad if she lands something that will shut her up, although don't hold my breath on this one.
Gave me that feeling I wrote about once before, from one of the Meghan photos of her eyes. As if by looking at it I'd been cursed and there was no way back. Made me realise how thin a boundary there is between us 21st-century folk and our ancestors who feared meeting the eyes of a witch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M9MBokHhhPs
DSM-V has changed the criteria around, but it still covers different forms of narcissism. You can compare the two in this document.
https://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/courses/materials/Narc.Pers.DSM.pdf
There are many people working with personality disorders who have gone into more detail in describing NPD and the different forms it can take. The DSM is not a fixed 'bible' of definitive and unchanging facts (it is regularly updated and changes for a new edition can be significant), but it is a useful starting point.
Repeated behaviours (in what she says and does, how she treats others, and so on) from Meghan tick enough criteria in DSM-IV and DSM-V to classify her as having NPD.
The causes of NDP were exclusively seen as a 'nurture' problem and someone with NPD was automatically diagnosed as being insecure 'inside'. Recent research have shown these to not be true: brain scans show that most people with NPD have brains that function in a specific way (less empathy) so NPD is caused by nature AND nurture, and diagnostic tests show that a significant number of people do not have that insecure inner self (e.g. they act like entitled arrogant jerks because they believe 100% that they are superior and deserve to have anything they want).
People with NPD will not seek help nor try to change their behaviour (something they have to learn as they do not feel and think in a way that makes responses like empathy natural) unless their life becomes unmanageable (much like an addict, and then there is still much resistance). Meghan's life is not unmanageable and her belief in self is not disturbed by what we see as setbacks (it is all someone else's fault and so far she has done extremely well with her social climbing with each man being more wealthy and famous than the last).
Found this. #ArchieDay. Who is Archie?
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-3379#post-56472505
Not freely expressing your feelings and thoughts in public does not mean that you do not acknowledge or express them at all.
1. Meghan completely misunderstood what a 'stiff upper lip' means.
2. She has no clue about the context of the 'British stiff upper lip' and thus was deeply insulting and unappreciative of what is an admirable British trait with a deep history.
3. She comes across as shallow, worshipping form above substance, filled with a sense of selfish entitlement, and very immature.
As far as I can recall, from what I read 30 years ago in the Southampton University Library when I was trying to work out why my then husband behaved as he did, the difference, in law, between a mental illness and a personality disorder is that a mental illness is a departure from a person's usual mental state and there is the possibility of a cure, whereas a personality disorder is not curable - it's the just way they are/the way the person's brain is wired, if you like.
The distinction is important in English law because if determines whether offenders are put into secure hospital or a gaol, as a result of their crimes.
One recent report, from Univ of Belfast, IIRC, mentioned by the BBC, stated that narcissists are truly `horrible people' but it gives them an advantage - that is, they use it to ensure their `success' in life.
Many of us here have been screwed over by people who behave in these sorts of ways and we state when we are speaking from experience - that is, we are open about our evidence being anecdotal. You see, on this blog we expect to be called out if we make assertions without supporting evidence.
If it is something we have read in the papers, we provide a link. If it's from a book, we give a reference.
What pick up from MM, however is that she is someone whose behaviour is partly consistent with the way narcissists behave, partly how psychopaths behave and partly how Machiavellian people behave. If it quacks like duck...I daresay you know the rest.
I'd very much appreciate it if you would tell us where you are coming from in this. You are so very firm in your assertions.
I expect quite a few of us are used to reading and writing academic papers where references are mandatory and authors are expected to be clear about their position in the academic world, whether it's `Candidate for a Doctorate in Philosophy at University of X' or `Emeritus Professor of Neurology at University of Y'.
Are you a qualified psychiatrist/psychologist/GP/consultant or something else?
Where did you qualify? How many years have you been in practice? What specialist courses have you done?
Without this information, how can we know what weight to give to your assertions? If you are a Senior Consultant at the Maudesly Hospital in London, or any similar hospital, wherever it might be, please tell us. That'd be fine - we'd know to give your statements their proper respect.
See
https://www.nhs.uk/Services/hospitals/Overview/DefaultView.aspx?id=2775
Give us the receipts, as they say.
Otherwise we could easily draw an invalid inference.
"https://mol.im/a/8191333
Found this. #ArchieDay. Who is Archie?"
Inevitable!
Using the virus to draw attention/money to themselves. Just when you you think they couldn't possibly sink any lower, they do.
Thank you for your insights into narcissism and NPD.
I never fail to learn something here.
@port city girl
I think the sugars have something planned for the whole month of April (until Archies birthday) to raise funds.
For a virulent bunch who will take the unwary commenter down like ravenous wolves take down a caribou, they seem to do some good.
More good than the a@@@@les in whose name they do that good.
I hope they never hand off those funds directly to the Sussexes. Although once their "charity" is established I suppose it's inevitable.
There is a little video touting their efforts
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g4QxYvB7DCA
There is nothing wrong with Al Jolson and his song "California Here I Come"
It's just not right for Megsy due to....Anyway the consensus here is Megsy playing the race card is a fraud because she has always lived white, was educated that way, her acting resume said white and Caucasian. And she has always married white men and only white boyfriends.
And Ava C thank you too- I really enjoyed the link you provided.
I hope I didn't come over as aggressive - I didn't mean to and I apologise if I did.
Perhaps I simply misjudged your tone, Marie.
That video was hard to watch. Why, I try to refrain from my usual potty mouth here, the f_ _ k
do they keep showing us the same dang video!! For the love of God, why not just give us a small updated clip? What are they waiting for? Do they have him or not? And no one gives a hoot about Archie right now and his "global philanthropists" parents. All we want to see or hear from the elite are their endeavors to help those on the frontline at this moment, not some
blah dee blah puff piece on some invisible child. Or better yet, disappear behind their glilded cage and resurface in a year.
Thank you for sharing the info. I was curious about your opinion, and I believe you made some valid points worthy of consideration. She does seem to have the qualities of a narcissist, but as you say, we don't know her, and it's hard to diagnose.
I also appreciate your willingness to express an opinion that goes against the group norm, and I'm glad that you elaborated. I think that we should all be able to express our opinions without fearing harassment and aggression, unless those opinions become personally nasty and/or bullying. And I've seen plenty of opinions expressed here that were wildly unsupported and still given consideration because they fit the group think. The next time I refer to Rachel as a narcissist, I'll qualify it because she may indeed just be a nasty piece of work.
@Sandie
Also, useful info! Especially this: The causes of NDP were exclusively seen as a 'nurture' problem and someone with NPD was automatically diagnosed as being insecure 'inside'. Recent research have shown these to not be true: brain scans show that most people with NPD have brains that function in a specific way (less empathy) so NPD is caused by nature AND nurture, and diagnostic tests show that a significant number of people do not have that insecure inner self (e.g. they act like entitled arrogant jerks because they believe 100% that they are superior and deserve to have anything they want).
In case anyone missed it, I asked Marie for the information and her opinion. I did so in good faith and because I was interested, not because I wanted to set her up for attack. Marie did not come here touting her opinion, but she did offer (and I was interested in hearing) a different PoV. I am pretty sure she's not Meghan. I edited my earlier response, however, because I didn't want to be the caribou. (Great line @KCM!)
And perhaps the most important, 3) Diagnoses are not labels to be used to criticise or stigmatise; it should be to heal or make a chronic condition/disorder manageable.
On a side note, as I don't want to bog down discussion over details: You likely already know but the DSM was developed first to adapt the ICD-9 for an American population. DSM-IV was a larger international effort, yet still there is a cultural dimension. Since the DSM-III, there has always been the opinion from certain groups that it has led to overdiagnosis and pathologizing of normality. Perhaps such a handbook is the best at the moment, but I imagine in 100-years, the paradigm might seem antiquated. I'm only surmising from your post, but you come across like a research scientist. Perhaps you then know of that metaphor of a man searching for his lost watch under a street lamp at night. When asked by a bystander why he was only looking there and other places, the man said, "Because it is the only light which I have to use." The latest DSM-V is not used by the NHS.
I also do not share your opinion "I think everyone here knows and acknowledges that we all have in us some degree of the same traits that are used to classify NPD (it's called healthy ego development) and how 'narcissistic' we are can fluctuate depending on circumstances," given the amount of in-fighting, suspicion of Meghan "sugars" infiltrating, and aggressive posturing. Cognitive biases and flaws in rational thinking are often difficult to self-identify for us all. So I hope you probably understand, opinions differ and the usefulness of the DSM falls under this. I hope you don't take the firmness of my assertions as somehow a critique of you personally or as an automatic insult to your background or experiences. I'm observing this is happening more than necessary on this blog when someone initially voices an opinion not shared by others here.
@Fairy Crocodile, fair enough point you make and I agree with you here. I am also completely fine with describing Meghan's behaviour with the Royal Family and UK taxfunds disgraceful, and emotional instability is not any better. I completely agree that it's a bit of a mouthful to use such language and that the colloquial use of "narc" to express that is not really an issue with me.
Well said and I agree, much has been said here by people claiming Meghan Has NPD. Yet 90% (I figure is a good guesstimate) is what she does is behind closed doors and therefore not a basis for people here to judge. Then there is !00% of knowledge by posters as to what goes on in her head. The there is the issue of amateurs proclaiming someone someone has a mental illness such as NPD.
As I have said yesterday, I stand up for fairness and that is why I never said Meghan had NPD or called her a Narcissist. Thank you for your cogent and intelligent explanation.
Now if people will quit committing libel by saying Harry is taking drugs (no facts to support such a horrendous allegation) or Archie doesn't exist. Can't imagine the harm done to that poor child by posters saying these things about his parents (which one day he might find out easily).
I would be glad if you post more often because you help to keep our wilder assumptions in check. This is very good for the general quality of this blog.
If you have a moment perhaps you could share your view of how relations between the like of Harry and the like of Meghan can develop?
@Sandie, I think perhaps my larger points were missed because I included too much other information to distract.
I did not miss anything nor was distracted by being given too much information.
Cognitive biases and flaws in rational thinking are often difficult to self-identify for us all. ... So I hope you probably understand, opinions differ and the usefulness of the DSM falls under this. I hope you don't take the firmness of my assertions as somehow a critique of you personally or as an automatic insult to your background or experiences. I'm observing this is happening more than necessary on this blog when someone initially voices an opinion not shared by others here.
You seem to be making assumptions about me and pronouncing sweeping judgement on others that may sound grand but are actually coming across as accusations to shut down dissent, dressed up as something else. You may be convinced that Meghan does not have NPD (I use that term to differentiate between normal and toxic narcissistic traits),
but to accuse those who disagree with you of having 'cognitive bias' and 'flaws in rational thinking' is something you perhaps need to back down from and the passive aggressive statement that follows perhaps needs to be withdrawn. We are all human and get carried away and cross the line.
May I just point out that I have not come across any diagnosis of NPD that includes that a person is cold, calculating, non-emotional so your assertion that Meghan does not fit the criteria because she is emotional does not makes sense. My own experience of full-blown narcs is that they can be very emotional ... the initial tantrum from narcissistic injury is frightening to see and often leads to rash and damaging (for others) actions. In addition, Meghan has demonstrated that she can cry/show emotion on cue without having any context, so any emotional response from her on camera is suspect. She does not meet the criteria to be labelled a psychopath (and the Hare diagnostic tool is most useful and also shows that we all have some of the traits and it is all about how many and to what extent - I have done the test and in the UK and USA fall well under the level to be labelled a psychopath but I certainly do not score zero).
Although narcissists and psychopaths share traits they are very different. Some folk here are convinced that Meghan can be labelled a psychopath but I think a different approach is being taken that I do not fully understand and it is not about using the DSM but looking at personality traits that fit three different disorders (NPD, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism). There are folk here who understand this much better than I do and can explain much better than I can.
The NHS in the UK may not use the DSM-V to diagnose NPD, but the criteria is very similar. However, the causes they give for NPD do not take into account the latest research. The recommended treatment is counselling, psychotherapy, group therapy and medication (for depression and anxiety), but the NHS acknowledges that those with NPD do not think there is a problem until they experience depression, severe anxiety, addiction or substance abuse ...
Marie, I do not treat the DSM as a bible not to be questioned, as I pointed out.
Perhaps you could clearly list and explain why you think Meghan does not fit the criteria to be labelled with NPD. There is a bit of a problem if you refuse to do so because you discount the validity of all tests, or use examples that do not relate to any test at all. If you are convinced she does not have NPD, show us. This post is getting very long, so I will list various lists and tests you can use:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/psychiatric-disorders/personality-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-npd
... and so on.
The reality is that people do have access to a lot of information, do have personal experience, and are able to recognise repeated behaviour in a public person. Because this is the 'chatty' part of the blog, we often forget to say 'IMO' and 'I think' or 'I feel' and so on but it is usually implied. Information is often shared here for feedback to verify or label as questionable. There are even some subjects where there are distinctly different camps (e.g. is Archie real, is he their child is a classic) but no one insults or throws shade at others and every few posts it comes up again and we go through the while discussion again and leave with our own opinions unchanged (I think Archie is real and is their child and Megsy was pregnant but acknowledge that there is a lot of 'very odd' stuff that I just cannot explain and I just live with this huge cognitive dissonance!).