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Open Post: Additional developments in the Sussex saga

My vacation continues, but here's a fresh post to discuss additional events in the Sussex saga.

Comments

Piroska said…
@Lizzie - Since M herself has not made any donation to the Royal Foundation there is no way any charity would be told that any grant came from her at the most it would be described as coming from the programme set up by her
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
just sayin' said...
I love reading this blog and I occasionally comment. If there is etiquette about acknowledging responses, then I’m sure I owe some apologies.

In my defense, I’ll float out this analogy: This blog is like the donation basket that is passed down the pew at church. Those who have something to contribute at the moment, do so. Others may wait until next time. No one expects an personal thank you or acknowledgment of the donation dropped into the basket, yet the church community is grateful and made better because of the many donations both small and large.

Many thanks to all that chip in to make this beautiful, collaborative mosaic that is our conversation about the Harkles. Like all great art, there are ebbs and flows. Highs and lows. Texture, saturation, and intensity. Your words are like brushstrokes, and I’m here for it!
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You DEAR ... I won't ever complain about being *ignored* again. How beautifully put, and of course, true :)

A mosaic, yes -- what an apt analogy! Rather like a symphony, too, with only a few discordant notes here and there which, perhaps, once mercifully blended back in again to the work writ large, still serve a purpose, if only to remind us how lucky we really are, in spite of everything.

Bless you! :)
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Maneki Neko said...
Re nicknames for MM, remember what she was called by palace staff(allegedly): Dino - duchess in name only.

Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
Thanks, Maneki Neko - I wondered where the name came from - I thought it must have something to with her heavy tread, as in Jurassic Park!

Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
The Duck and Duckess - which leads my thoughts to the DA hairstyle!

(PS in the UK an `ass' is a donkey - we say `arse' for your `ass'.)


BManeki Neko said...
@WBBM

Yes, Jurassic Park, think of the green outfit 🦖

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Leela said...
Re: nicknames for MM, I read this one in the DM comments:

“Spindleshanks”

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AH-hahahaha, more great ones, *wiping tears of laughter* -- yes, @Leela, there are loads of nicknames devoted just to Markle's legs, bless 'er! The moniker Sponge Bob comes to mind as well ;)

Mind you, no one would dream of making fun if MM herself didn't blab on and on about how wonderful and "miles long" her legs were!! :D

Sandie said…
The biography for Meghan waslong overdue for heavy editing. There was much embroidery of her past there. Has anyone done a forensic analysis of the changes? (We ard more thorough here thanthe taloids!) I wonder why now? Have they finally done a thorough investigation? Has William taken control of the Harkle mess? Are they preparing the way for the return of the Sussexes under strict conditions? Thanks for the feedback on the cosmetics company @charade. Meghan is not suitable, based on the celebrities you listed.
lizzie said…
@Piroska,

I guess the charity was paid off to say that then because that is what their tweet said. I looked it up rather than depend on DM :-)
https://mobile.twitter.com/migratefuluk
Sandie said…
Sorry for all the errors! I am probably getting a tablet soon!
Platypus said…
I can’t believe it - the Sun has an article on how to master Meghan’s stunning hairstyles ...
SwampWoman said…
Good morning, y'all! It is 5:30 a.m. here; I've had my coffee and read all the delicious-sounding cabbage recipes. It has been a long-standing joke in our family that as long as Momma has her supplies on hand, storms stay away. Storms only arrive when I've been too busy/haven't replenished my hurricane supplies in May and June. Daughter was happy that the storm appears to be curving away further offshore (she lives at the beach), so she said that her supply run to me worked.

I *did* call daughter last night and ask why so much cabbage. "I thought the little white ones were lettuce!" she explained. Nope, that was cabbage with the outer leaves peeled. "Oh, NO! I kept some for me for bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwiches! Maybe the kids won't notice that it is cabbage instead of lettuce." (Good luck with that.) Anyway, a local market was clearing out their produce inventory expecting the electricity to go out, and daughter can't resist a bargain.

Daughter also sent a date sweetener with cayenne that she'd accidentally picked up in the commissary. I thought it might be a nice thing with which to sweeten my morning coffee since I'm avoiding sugar, not that the date sweetener has fewer carbs, but I'm an optimist. I dumped in what I *thought* was about a teaspoon worth. (Note to self: Eyes may not be calibrated correctly for measurements before dawn.) I suppose I should use it every morning because it certainly snapped my eyes open. It burned all the way down the esophagus. I'm pretty sure my eyeballs are sweating.

I think I'll just forego it for coffee sweetening purposes in the future and use it in chili. I say this as a person that routinely slices jalapeno peppers into scrambled eggs, potato salads, and on top of burgers. I sprinkle my deviled eggs with cayenne pepper instead of paprika! I suppose that what tasted like about a tablespoon of pure cayenne pepper in the morning coffee was just a little too much, even for me.

Now, back to the Harry and Megan 'Epic Love' Saga: I believe that the people here and at other locations that were sounding klaxon warnings early on weren't motivated by racism or any ism other than having personal experience with people with severe personality disorders from a very young age. For me, it manifests itself as a gut-level feeling of danger that I have gotten from some people that, if ignored, results in negative consequences.

After careful reading, I believe that the consensus is that they both have personality flaws and bring out the worst in each other (probably true), with perhaps a significant minority believing that Harry is more a victim from a carefully-laid plan to emotionally manipulate him with memories of his mother. (Probably also be true.)

JCMHFKAP is quickly approaching the age when his mother was completely falling apart from lack of structure after she left the royal family which contributed to her death. His family must be devastated and dreading the same outcome. I know that people blame his family for not getting him enough help but the person receiving the psychological help has to want the help and actually make the recommended changes and/or take medications. I'm sure everybody here has had a family member, or knows somebody with a family member, that decided to forego treatment and instead treated themselves with mood-altering illicit pharmaceuticals with dire results.

It has dawned a gray and breezy morning here. I forgot to hit "send" and have been in and out for the last two hours. We're not going to be affected except for cooler than usual temperatures; prayers for those at risk of flooding/tidal surge in the Carolinas.

Is what I've just seen on the net true? Are people really lying down & sunning their perineums?

Give me strength! Not another wheeze from Paltrow is it?

SwampWoman said…
Platypus said: I can’t believe it - the Sun has an article on how to master Meghan’s stunning hairstyles ...

But why would anybody that isn't profoundly visually impaired want to is the question that I have. But yes, if you, too, have a weed wacker and a dull set of sewing scissors it can be done. This whole match your hair to your face shape and body type is so silly, just copy somebody completely unsuitable.
Just remembered a favourite from Yahoo comments: Chicken Legs.
Midge said…
@Swamp Woman
You made me laugh out loud! Coffee wakes me up in the morning but think I will forego using date sweetener to enhance it. Thanks to you and your hurricane prep it looks like we have escaped anything other than a bit of rain and wind here in northeast Florida.
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Well, well. We all knew MM was behind the "paparazzi drone" business, but here is a receipt. True, it's OK! Magazine, but give them their due, they did actual research:

Starved For Attention: Meghan Markle Caught Leaking Info To Media

https://okmagazine.com/news/meghan-markle-leaking-info-media/

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry have been caught red-handed providing information to the media in an obvious attempt to control publicity about them.

OK! can exclusively reveal that the couple’s publicist provided a royal journalist in Los Angeles with information about drones flying over their estate. The exiled Royals have also employed the services of a public relations firm to generate positive news about them.

“Most members of the Royal Family would find this unbecoming, given the tense relationship with the press for at least the last three decades,” the sources said.

The royal journalist, dubious of the claims given by the source, filed a Freedom of Information request with the LAPD. While the police department said that they can’t provide any further information, it was revealed that
the ‘source’ about the drones are none other than a representative for the couple. .........

“They see these drones coming in at them, and they guess that they are being operated by photographers, but they can’t just assume that. Meghan received racist death threats at the time of her wedding, so the terror threat is very real for them,” the friend said.

That claim has also been brought into question, as an insider said that
the publicity firm is behind all the commotion.

“Every time someone is quoted as a ‘friend’ of Harry or Meghan, post Royal life, make no mistake, that is their publicist.”
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
@Midge @SwampWoman -- It was a dud here in South Florida as well, thank goodness! Not even much rain. Glad everyone is safe, joining in prayers for our neighbor states to the north.
Blithe Spirit said…
@Swamp Woman, glad the storm isn't heading your way. I pray that everyone in the Carolinas stay safe.. Your date sweetener with cayenne pepper experience made me chuckle as I was drinking my coffee. As an Indian who regards spicy food as the flavor of life even I draw the line at having it in my coffee!

Yes, Harry's mental health is worrying and living with an out of control narc is exacerbating it tremendously. At this point his escape route can open up only if she sights another target and dumps him unceremoniously. He will be dumbfounded and broken but and this is a big but, he can emerge out of that stronger and wiser. But i'm not holding my breath.
Girl with a Hat said…
Good day!

I was reading an article over at the DM and someone was wondering why H&M thought that this book by Scobie was going to win people over to their side. I also saw this excellent explanation:

"They think that they are normal and that we also believe that creating blood vendettas over trivial incidents is warranted. They don't realize that normal human relations are full of misunderstandings and that we manage to forgive and forget and not hold a grudge for eternity."
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
Just remembered a favourite from Yahoo comments: Chicken Legs

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Hahaha, good one :) -- Might just be an insult to chickens, tho, ;)
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ Lt. Uhura

Thank you for the OK article! I have a low opinion on the mag but even them seem to have turned against the duo. Nobody likes people who lie to advance themselves
OKay said…
@Lt Uhura What a FANTASTIC article! It's all coming out in the wash now, isn't it?

New Harry Markle up for those who are interested.
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Fairy Crocodile said...
@ Lt. Uhura

Thank you for the OK article! I have a low opinion on the mag but even them seem to have turned against the duo. Nobody likes people who lie to advance themselves.
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Indeed, Fairy Crocodile -- as the saying goes, (to paraphrase) "If you've lost the sycophants ...
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OKay said...
@Lt Uhura What a FANTASTIC article! It's all coming out in the wash now, isn't it?

New Harry Markle up for those who are interested.
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Whew, about time, too. At this rate, the Harkles are going to have to crawl under a rock somewhere, tho shameless as they are, they'll go down *fighting*, and it will always be someone else's fault!
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
Is what I've just seen on the net true? Are people really lying down & sunning their perineums?

Give me strength! Not another wheeze from Paltrow is it?


Goodness. I don't envy people that do that their skin cancer removals! (And I whined about getting some removed from my nose and arms!) No matter how stupid something sounds online, it seems as though somebody, somewhere, has to emulate it. I will await comments from "friends" of JCMH and Medusa about the benefits of said sunning and keep my perineum and most other body parts in the shade.
LavenderLady said…
@JustSayin,

Your donation basket metaphor is right on as we use to say in the 70s. Love it! Thanks


@CatEyes,
Ha Ha! If we are going to lay claim to names, I want credit for 'Himalayan-Yak hair wig'

When men wear a hairpiece it's called a rug. Your Himilayan hair wig is really a rug on her! That name is perfect! :D

@xxxxx,


Cookbook review:
"Everyone in America is so very proud of you, Meghan"

Says the vomit inducing paid shill. I'm in America and so is most my family, friends and co-workers so when they do mention her it's always a diss. Never that sewage.

What BS.

On a lighter note re: James Middleton- I think James is one hell of a gorgeous man, inside and out. A true animal lover and keeper unlike the DINO (loved the Duchess in name only Maneki :) I would!!! I'm old but I'm not dead...yet!

With apologies to ITV at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyYr6L5xQM
(Full lyrics on another site)

ROBIN HOOD
Theme from U.K. TV Series "The Adventures Of Robin Hood" (1955-60)
(Carl Sigman)

Dick James (TV Production) - 1955
Frankie Laine - 1956
Gary Miller - 1956


Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, riding through the lands
Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, with her bunch of stans
Loved by the bad, feared by the good
Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood

She called the greatest liars to a tavern on the green
They vowed to crush the people of the Queen
They stirred up all the troubles on the English country scene
A greater con than this there’s never been.

Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, etc

She came unto the Abbey with a feather in her cap
A fighter always looking for a slight
Her bow was always ready, and she kept her arrows sharp.
She used them both to fight ’gainst what was right

Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood,etc

With ‘Arry Boy and Markus they had a roguish look,
They did the deed the others wouldn't dare.
She grabbed up all the money and tried to cook the book
And drove lords and peasants to despair.

Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, etc

To cheating and corruption, she would always always yield
And danger was her breakfast ev'ry day
The courtier in the palace and the rider in the field
Were trampled down if they got in her way

Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, etc

She rode up to the palace and was cheered by ev'ryone
Her knight in rusty armour threw her a rose
Granny used a tarnished title to duke ‘em in the sun
And that's the way that the legend goes

Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, riding through the lands
Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood, with her bunch of stans
Loved by the bad, feared by the good
Robbing Hood,Robbing Hood, Robbing Hood
Midge said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid

Well done!
abbyh said…

I was reading the DM comments about how Catherine is supposedly devastated by what is coming out in the book. One of the comments was about how JH is not the only person who has ever lost their mother.

And I was thinking: At what point does he want to stop poisoning their future over their past?

just sayin' nicely put.
Elsbeth1847 said…

this popped up on my feed and it contrasts so nicely to JH&M

https://www.becomingminimalist.com/fame/
HappyDays said…
Excellent comment from today’s DM article about Meghan’s royal bio being shortened:

Spitfires, Somerset, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago
Her palace biography should read: Markle was an obscure American actress, divorcee and social-climber with a history of treating others as a pathway to notoriety. Having targeted a vulnerable and unintelligent member of the Royal Family in order to exploit his status and his title, taking advantage of a $35m wedding, gaining an international profile and the other unearned privileges of a Royal title, she then attempted to blackmail the Queen in a bid to escape Royal duties and pursue a celebrity lifestyle. When this failed she coerced her husband to sever all ties with his family and his country and returned immediately to America, denying the Queen any access to her great-grandson and seeking to profit financially from her brief experiences of Royal life in Britain by attacking The reputation of her husbands family. She is currently seeking to exploit her husband further by setting up multiple charities with dubious aims and living at the expense of others.
@Happy Days - Spitfires from Somerset summarises it perfectly.

So much misery in the world, hurricanes, earthquakes, hunger and pestilence, yet the selfish have to go on making it worse.

Even in Scotland, where to Lockdown is still tighter than England, idiots are being completely irresponsible, so much so that the First Minister has said she feels she wants to cry - it looks as if the efforts and gains of the last 4 months were a waste of time as we are rapidly going back to where we were.

I suppose we gave the NHS a chance and the hope of a new test, with rapid turn-around time will help, but maskless people were demonstrating against the government today in London. What is the matter with them?

A friend has tole me that when the Primitive Methodists in her village built a new hall, just after the First World war, and electricity became available, they stuck to candles because they couldn't `see' electricity and didn't believe it existed. At least I could smile at that.

I send my very best wishes to those of you expecting a meteorological onslaught.
There's a Danielle Stacey piece on Yahoo about their `plans' for MM's birthday -they'll be at home.

In other words, they have no plans.

Complete non-report.
Miggy said…
@WBBM,

Thank you!

Loved your rendition of Robin Hood.

I watched the video and sang along loudly, with no complaints from my neighbours.

Bravo! 😆
@Platypyus, @Swampwoman;

I've accidentally managed a few of Meghan's hairstyles, normally after a few hours doing housework or working in the garden when my (sloppily-made in the first place) ponytail or bun has started unravelling. I call it my In Desperate Need For A Shower Look lol
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid -- Nice work on "Robbing Hood"! Wow, do we ever have some literary talent around here! :)
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Elsbeth1847 said...

this popped up on my feed and it contrasts so nicely to JH&M

https://www.becomingminimalist.com/fame/
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Indeed yes. Thank you for sharing that.
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Found this Times editorial via LSA -- no paywall!

Meghan is the royal family’s Scarlett O’Hara

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meghan-is-the-royal-familys-scarlett-ohara-px075tpwj
KCM1212 said…
@WBBM
That was hilarious!!! SO well done!

This weekend, we had an idiot throw a party for at least 500, in a house. Despite knowing about it for days (thanks to the flyers), and the police showing up (who did nothing) it went on until 3am. Not a mask in sight.

And the party barges that were closed down, continued to run. The bars that were supposed to close by 10pm stayed open until 2am, and nothing happened. The tourists who flock here seem to feel masks are for home, not here.

I can only think the police are refusing to act in either fear, or to show us what "defunding" looks like.

We are considered a "hot spot".

@Happy Days

How I wish I knew someone who could hack her current biography and replace it with yours! Excellent!

@abbyh
what a perfect comment! Says it all.
JHanoi said…
DM- has an article about the LA Power Brokers looking at the Harkles as Red carpet fodder, and MM, not leading lady material.

Andy Cohen should offer her a role on Real Housewives of wherever, i dont what the housewives shows, but they are full of desperate narcissts , planting stories and dramas ith the tabloid press and papparazzi. that’s their whole MO, and it’s MM’s ideal leaing role!

the both of them are pro’s at screwing up their plans, entertaining us all with their made up dramas and victim hoods. they should get paid for their work and Andy’s the guy to do it. they can throw teapots, wine, glasses, tables at the other cast members. make up all the storylines they want.

It’s the perfect role for her. a grasping, thirsty, wannabe instead of the hasbeen that she is.
Christine said…
Happy Monday,

So I got Lady C's book this weekend and since I am a pretty fast reader and I am already over half way through. So the background she went through on Meghan's childhood was interesting and she spends the majority of the book talking about Meghan's narcissism and her psychology. It's clear there is absolutely no love loss for Meghan. But I was dissapointed as far as new information is concerned! She basically repeated all the stories that everyone already knows. She put a new spin the reason H&M left the garden party but otherwise, unless the book gets better, I'm not over the moon about it. She talks about Diana A LOT. As I was reading, I thought...didn't she already write a book about Diana?!

Maybe the rest of you feel differently and maybe some amazing info has yet to be revealed. Still glad I purchased it though!
Cass said…
let me add “HAZ and Hasbeen”. for possible names!
JHanoi said…
you’re welcome!
Catlady1649 said…
@ Lt Nyota Uhura
Thank you for the link to the Times article.
Please can I ask what LSA is. I've seen it mentioned a few times. ?
Lily Love said…
@christine

I think Lady C was being careful so she did not get sued. Plus she had to have known what JH and Megsy’s book was going to be about, and that her book would actually end up looking Like an actual legitimate book. But now that the duo have pretty much burned their bridges. I would expect a lot of info that Lady C could not share for legal purposes to come out. Hopefully in 5 years or so when they are divorced she can do a follow up book.
Aquagirl said…
@Catlady: Lipstick Alley
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
@ Catlady 1649 -- You're welcome :)

"LSA" stands for Lipstick Alley (lipstickalley.com) -- it's a large, sprawling site comprised of many different forums. It is a website specifically directed to Black readers, but White readers go there as well. The one thread I visit is titled Meghan Markle Unpopular Opinions (found under Celebrity forums/The Royals subforum). Lots of links to be found there by the contributors. But beware! MMUO is a very big thread, easy to go down the rabbit hole!
Miggy said…
Another possible name, (seen in the Daily Mail comment section) - Spenderella. 😆
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Cass said...
let me add “HAZ and Hasbeen”. for possible names!
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Haha, and don't forget "Hazmat"! ;)
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
@Miggy, you sneaked in while I was posting, Spenderella, YES lol!
Christine said…
Lily Love- Good point and I did think about that as I was reading the book.

One interesting point. A few times she referred to some of her sources. Lots of courtiers, royal family insiders, etc. But she called two of her sources 'A Prince' and one was 'A Royal Cousin'. Hmm. Oh and apparently Lady C loathes Princess Michael of Kent.

Looks like Ninaki Priddy spilled a lot of beans on Meghan too.
Christine said…
Lt. Nyota Uhura,

Just quickly went into the Lipstick Alley Meghan site and there is a GIF with her constantly flipping her coat open to show her preg stomach. She's such a trip! Gahhh such arrogance and press desperation.
Lily Love said…
@christine

We ninaki priddy was her oldest friend, so she knows the real Meghan more than anyone else. I just might buy Lady C’s after all.
Christine said…
Lily, I would purchase it.
Catlady1649 said…
@ Aquagirl
Thank you
Catlady1649 said…
@ Lt Nyota Uhura
Thank You
Hikari said…
For all of my fellow Americans,

It’s just a matter of hours now until the biggest day of the year: I am of course speaking about Meghan Markle’s Birthday !!!

Read this and have a wheeze as you find out that Harry and Meg have been “planning Meg’s big day for months!!!!!!’ In betwixt various poorly produced video segments via Zoom. Perhaps they will be joining Oprah via Zoom for that big birthday bash Smeggle was angling for so hard in recent weeks. Looks like La Cucaracha will be spending her 39th (again?) Birthday the same way she spent her 38th...at home with Harry, Phantom Arch, and Narc Rage that the glittering and oh so special celeb studded party she promised herself has once again failed to materialize. She will have to provide her own party favors but she’s good at that.

Why don’t her legions of sugars band together and throw their queen a birthday party FFS? I’d love to see those papp photos. Oh, that’s right… Because her sugars are nobodies.

https://apple.news/A6lZHwzMzT_itHrtajqkQjg
Christine said…
39th Birthday, my a$$!!!

Well, I hope she has many happy returns. And um, I hope that she shuts her mouth and spends her days taking care of Arch and finding a real job. Maybe she can write annonymous blogs about the life and trials of an ex-royal living in extreme luxury but being unemployable.
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,

Your Robin Hood,

Bravo!

Thanks :)

@Lt. N,
@Miggy, you sneaked in while I was posting, Spenderella, YES lol

Me too! I love Spenderella ha!
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Catlady1649 said...
@ Lt Nyota Uhura
Thank You

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My pleasure :)

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Hikari said...
For all of my fellow Americans,

It’s just a matter of hours now until the biggest day of the year: I am of course speaking about Meghan Markle’s Birthday !!!


I'm so excited that I might just have to cancel my appointment to watch my grass grow! And I've been planning it for months too! Oh, decisions, decisions ...

Looks like La Cucaracha (HAHAHAHAHA!) will be spending her 39th (again?) Birthday the same way she spent her 38th...at home with Harry, Phantom Arch, and Narc Rage that the glittering and oh so special celeb studded party she promised herself has once again failed to materialize.

Yeah, but several of the entertainment rags are saying she "never throws herself a party." Sure, Jan!

Yes, just like other notable events in history, I'm sure we'll never forget where we were when the Great Day came ... ��
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Pink Peony said...

@Lt. N,
@Miggy, you sneaked in while I was posting, Spenderella, YES lol

Me too! I love Spenderella ha!

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Hahaha, Nutties are coming up with some great ones! :)
xxxxx said…
At DM todayhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8587307/Meghan-Markles-proud-feminist-biography-statement-deleted.html


I know this must have been posted before. But it seems the BRF minions (courtiers) have stripped Megan of her title. At least on a virtual level. They are The Queen's paw. The Queen has spoken. Indirectly this time.
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Meghan Markle's biography on the Royal website STRIPS her of her HRH title and is edited to downplay her work after her Megxit departure to Los Angeles
Royal Family's official website now refers to Meghan, 38, as 'she' or 'Duchess'
Details of education, career and royal engagements moved to separate section
Mention of her philanthropic activities have been moved to 'Charitable Work'
Meghan's 'about' section now references her move to America with Prince Harry
xxxxx said…
And best to Pink Peony. Get over this and get it over and done and done well.
I'd still like to know why not a whisper, not a peep, not so much as a pap picture of Harry for Father's Day. Not a single story! But for MeMe's birthday....my oh my! Will she go to Balmoral? Will the Queen bake her a cake? Will Oprah or Ellen or Both throw her a party? Will Doria got to Dairy Queen and bring back Blizzards?


So many MeMe stories, so very few about Harry. Gotta wonder why?
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Christine said...
Lt. Nyota Uhura,

Just quickly went into the Lipstick Alley Meghan site and there is a GIF with her constantly flipping her coat open to show her preg stomach. She's such a trip! Gahhh such arrogance and press desperation.

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I know, right?!

Somewhere I saw a montage of her flipping lots of coats in lots of different places, wish I could remember where. SOOO obvious, so pathetic.
CatEyes said…
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Miggy said…
@Lt.Nyota Uhura,

Miggy, you sneaked in while I was posting, Spenderella, YES lol!

Great, isn't it? Suits her perfectly!! :)

Miggy said…
@Pink Peony,

Hi there!

Welcome to the Nutty club! (or should that be Nuttie?)

Spenderella made me spit my tea at the screen!

Apart from the money she's burnt through... I was imagining the size of her glass slipper! :-)
Maneki Neko said…
@Lt N Uhura

I remember, too, the montage of coat flicking and belly clutching. I think one of the Nutties gave a link a while back.

I found these two links. The second one is interesting, MM is sitting on a chair and as she bends forward to pat a dog it looks like her bump gets squashed (about 11 seconds in). A bump is a hard mass, not a cushion...

In fact, I've just noticed the comment above the second video that says exactly the same, and the avatar is glowworm,one of the Nutties. We haven't seen glowworm for some time.
MM is certifiable.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwgX7i5BnAw

https://mobile.twitter.com/glowwor60251868/status/1194324473710661632

lucy said…
I love that this comes out of Toronto :)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/blizzard-royal-tell-all-book-shows-sussexes-remarkably-thin-skin
lucy said…
@Hikari that link about ruined birthday seems more akin to 8 year old and not an adult! Poor Meg 🙄
Perhaps her other turning 39 parties turned out better..

@Crumpet stop in Slovakia you will love it! Like giant forest scented with woodburning stoves :)

@Aquagirl all those towns were between 2 visits. I went in March and September. Was due to return May of this year :(
I hear alot of positives regarding Prague
and you echoed my feelings on Bratislava, I wouldn't go out of my way to visit but would check it out just to say I did
@Piroska at family homes coffee was normal size but everywhere else so tiny :(
@lucy

Thanks for the link to the Toronto Sun article. My favorite lines are:

“ Meghan’s managed to parlay an unspectacular acting career into a breathless feat of social climbing. If she didn’t like the view at the top, she has only herself to blame.”

And:

“They’re just an ungrateful hiccup in a timeline that spans a thousand years.”
abbyh said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8587307/Meghan-Markles-proud-feminist-biography-statement-deleted.html

not just lost the whole how wonderful but lost HRH on the website
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Maneki Neko said...
@Lt N Uhura

I remember, too, the montage of coat flicking and belly clutching. I think one of the Nutties gave a link a while back.

I found these two links. The second one is interesting, MM is sitting on a chair and as she bends forward to pat a dog it looks like her bump gets squashed (about 11 seconds in). A bump is a hard mass, not a cushion...

In fact, I've just noticed the comment above the second video that says exactly the same, and the avatar is glowworm,one of the Nutties. We haven't seen glowworm for some time.
MM is certifiable.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwgX7i5BnAw

https://mobile.twitter.com/glowwor60251868/status/1194324473710661632


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Oh, BROTHER ... you're not kidding! Stark, staring nuts!

Thanks for the links to the videos -- there it is, for all the world to see. SMH
lucy said…
I forgot to add ,in my head, I refer to H&M as frumpy and grumpy. Not nearly as witty and creative as others but when scrolling headlines always seem to say "what do frumpy & grumpy got for me now"

Can't seem to get that pic of Harry out of my head when he is in stands, arms crossed, and pouting.
Girl with a Hat said…
Read this on twitter:

Harry and Meghan's Dog's Name Revealed

and someone responded:

Scoobie Doo?
Girl with a Hat said…
because there was an article of H&M's dog's name in a lot of papers today
Girl with a Hat said…
Also, regarding that article about Meghan's social climbing.

Did she social climb or did Harry just lower himself....
lucy said…
Coat flicking videos are insane! She obviously has a very real psychotic issue. So flamboyant and showy. She should have really put more effort into sizing them correctly if she was hellbent on showing her belly so often. That is disgusting and so OTT wrong

I really too think the baby at christening was a doll. I think if she (they) were up front from beginning with surrogate would have endeared her to public. Baby was never going to have a title without being "of the body" so why the con?

I honestly believe so Markle could parade around "pregnant" for 10 months. Diabolical.
Hikari said…
Last night, I was idly scrolling through my Facebook watch feed, and guess what should turn up out of the blue but the infamous Craig Ferguson interview from 2013. Now this could have been completely randomly generated, since I am a member of the Craig Ferguson’s Cheeky Monkeys fangroup on FB, and our Meg has been in the news a lot lately. Or perhaps my Facebook algorithm is spying on me again, given how much I comment on this page. Anyhow, I watched it again. Meg was as naked as I remembered, but I paid really close attention to CF’s body language. Craig greets all of his guests, male or female with a hug before they sit down, and he did this time too, but it seemed less enthusiastic than usual with a female guest. Craig is an empathetic listener, and if he’s really feeling a guest, particularly if she is an attractive female, he leans in close. As soon as Markle sat down, CF Arranged his chair at a 90° angle so that he could lean well back while facing her for this brief and hyper-awkward exchange. He also kept his arms folded throughout, which body language experts will tell you is a defensive posture, creating a barrier between himself and the speaker. Craig is normally a tactile person, but perhaps sensing his reticence To leave the personal space he marked out for himself, she shoved her spindly arm in his direction and invited him to “You can touch me—I’m real

Oh Meg, How we do wish you were only a figment of our nightmarish imaginations....

Craig obliged for the briefest and most perfunctory pretend pinch ever. CF is renowned For ripping up the question cards prepared by his staff, In favor of just going with the flow and extemporizing with each guest. With Smeg, It really sounded like he was dutifully ticking off the rote questions About her background that had been on one of those blue cards. Her half completed (3 weeks out of 6) Stint as an intern at the Embassy in Buenos Aires arranged for her by her uncle became “I worked at the Argentine Embassy”. ..Where is she no doubt mastered the Latin American brand of Spanish which she could not pronounce. Meg had the B slot since her interview was not interrupted by a commercial break. After the scintillating conversation about Meg’s lack of body hair and the lack of an H in his wife’s name, CF Brought the interview to a rather abrupt close by saying “All right, Let’s do an awkward pause and get you out of here.” I’ve probably seen Craig do several hundred interviews and I don’t recall such an abrupt end to a conversation, except maybe Russell Brand after he broke Geoff Peterson.

Interesting. I think Craig is a good judge of character, having interviewed literally thousands of celebrities in the course of his career. She was on the show for three more years, but he retired a year after this interview. I don’t think he would’ve been keen to have her back.
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LavenderLady said…
More names from Pink Peony = Ho' and Blow...

Or will that one get me in trouble? :\

Ruh Roe...
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
lucy said...
I forgot to add ,in my head, I refer to H&M as frumpy and grumpy. Not nearly as witty and creative as others but when scrolling headlines always seem to say "what do frumpy & grumpy got for me now"

Can't seem to get that pic of Harry out of my head when he is in stands, arms crossed, and pouting.

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What do you mean, not as creative!! I think it fits perfectly! :) Yes, Harry looks like he needs a timeout in the corner with that Look, LOL

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@Pink Peony -- "Ho and Blow" -- Naughty, naughty! Tsk-tsk-tsk *grin* ANOTHER one that fits -- heck, the dynamic duo wanted attention, and they're getting it! How many other people do you know that get brand-new names thought up for them? ;)

I know -- @CatEyes -- maybe we can consider this name fest our special birthday present for Madam :)
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Girl with a Hat said...
Read this on twitter:

Harry and Meghan's Dog's Name Revealed

and someone responded:

Scoobie Doo?

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Ha! Not even the poor mutt can escape the malign influence ;)

Not nearly as clever, but funny nonetheless -- I read somewhere that "Pula" means p*nis in Romanian!
lucy said…
What do you all feel is Meghan's worst outfit? This one comes to mind for me but I am sure there are many many others

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/secondary/Meghan-Markle-with-Prince-Harry-at-the-wedding-of-Princess-Diana-s-niece-1385086.jpg?r=1533672615878
CatEyes said…
Meggy was so preggers at 8, 9, 10 months,
which make her look like such a dunce,
but we the real girls in the Nutty bunch
all had the very real hunch
she was just a little 'out to lunch'

While Harry refuses to make a fuss,
keeping the lies so hush, hush,
and doing everything to gush.
how wonderful is his marriage he does blush.
saying it while being a dreadful lush.

The Queen knows what's the score
this the sins and more and more,
while showing both of them the door.
Megsy hadn't quite hit the floor
but she is really evil to the core.
Most of all she is such a bore
and truth be told she is just a whore.

The UK will be better off,
if *cough* *cough* they send her to
where she can sue and do
whatever scheme she thinks anew
as long as we don't have to pay her due
and she may reap the day she rue.

We can be so glad and say
it will be such a happy day
to get rid of her in any way.
I would personally pay and be so gay
to get rid of her, come what may.
I would scream a big resounding 'Yeah'.


HappyDays said…
A commenter named MandySuff in the DM article titled
Meghan Markle's biography on the Royal website STRIPS her of her HRH title and is edited to downplay her work after her Megxit departure to Los Angeles that ran Monday, August 3, 2020 says the Suits producers were surprised about Meghan due to her reputation for being “difficult reputation” (translation: bitch) and “colorful past” (translation: skank)

Question: Has anyone seen this info about the people at Suits being surprised Meghan made it through palace vetting and wormed her way into Harry’s life and then the RF?

MandySuff, Seville, Spain, moments ago
It's about time Buckingham Palace started scrutinizing her jackanory tales . The suits production team were surprised at how little she was vetted considering her colourful past and difficult reputation
JHanoi said…
i thought it was interesting the palace edit gave her full birth name Rachel Meghan MAakle. previously, the one written by her said , her birth name was just Meghan Markle. wonder why she doesn’t like the name Rachel?
JHanoi said…
also, i wonder why the great conservationist , JCMH, hasn’t done a hostage video on the recent Botswana elephant deaths to ‘shine a light ‘ onhis preMarkle love of Afric/ conservation?

is Botswana part of the commonwealth?
SirStinxAlot said…
Worst outfit for me has to be the transparent skirt on official visit. Just tacky and slutty.
CatEyes said…
JHanoi

Yes Botswana is a Commonwealth country. The elephant deaths is a huge problem and they are still trying to figure out the cause. It is suspected that it might be toxic water, like stagnant water that built up toxins. I lost a flock of sheep to such an occurrence during a drought.
Ziggy said…
@Lucy Too funny- that blue & white dress is actually my favourite of her looks.
But I'm a fan of mumus so I'm not the most fashionable person!
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Girl with a Hat said…
@lucy, I think her worst outfit was the brown nylon dress she wore to the mosque in South Africa, with a pashmina neck scarf as a head scarf, and butt pads underneath. The dress dragged on the ground. And she exposed her arms which was also a big nono.
Girl with a Hat said…
Which reminds me that someone here used to call Meghan Mrs. Roper because of her large dresses.
Best comment ever on a Toronto Sun article about Finding Freedom:

"Harry was always the cool one. Who ever thought a second rate Hollywood diva with a shady past would be the one to fit him for a man purse."

I laughed so hard I cried.
lucy said…
@stinx you have to include link :)~
Lol I think you mean the blue one?

@ziggy way too much fabric! It had potential but just too big! The sleeves were halfway down her hands

My runner up

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/24/08/5351046-6306349-image-m-2_1540364760264.jpg
lucy said…
LOL!

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2018931/rs_634x1024-181031064232-634-Meghan-Markle-JR-103118.jpg?fit=around|1268:auto&output-quality=90&crop=1268:auto;center,top
Girl with a Hat said…
@lucy, that's the day she decided to wear a cat toy as a belt.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/24/08/5351046-6306349-image-m-2_1540364760264.jpg
lucy said…
@Girl with hat

*cringe*

https://whatmeghanwore.net/the-duchess-in-maxi-dress-for-mosque-and-neighborhood-visit/
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
MustySyphone said...
Best comment ever on a Toronto Sun article about Finding Freedom:

"Harry was always the cool one. Who ever thought a second rate Hollywood diva with a shady past would be the one to fit him for a man purse."

I laughed so hard I cried.

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Is that the same article that had this line -- "If you don't like the rules, bring your own tiara" ??? ;)
LavenderLady said…
Worst outfit, the brown ensemble that showed her pit stains. Low class. The different shades of brown/tan seemed off which was just a pitiful reminder of the poop emoji hat.

You can't make this stuff up.
lucy said…
She can't even claim best dressed in this photo! 😆

But her hair looks nice

https://cdn.fame10.com/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwdWItc3RvcmFnZSIsImtleSI6ImZhbWUxMC93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvMjAxOC8xMC8xOTk0OTA0MS01NTB4NzMwLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6NTUwLCJoZWlnaHQiOjczMCwiZml0IjoiY292ZXIiLCJiYWNrZ3JvdW5kIjp7InIiOjAsImciOjAsImIiOjAsImFscGhhIjoxfSwicG9zaXRpb24iOiJ0b3AifX19
Girl with a Hat said…
I know you gals don't like Danja Zone but sometimes she comes up with a nugget of truth. In yesterday's video, she said that it wasn't Meghan's hairdresser that was with her when they wanted to have a look at the tiara, but Jessica Mulroney. She said that Jessica and Meghan decided to drop in at BP and have a look at the tiaras, and expected everyone to open the vault for them.

I think this makes a lot of sense. Meghan and Jessica together are an entitled pair and I bet they thought they finally had the "in" on Buckingham Palace and could treat it as theirs.

I also read somewhere, can't remember where exactly, that there are more stories of Jessica Mulroney bullying people coming out. Also, Ben Mulroney has tried to set up some sort of diversity thingie. I don't remember the details.
CookieShark said…
@ Lucy the beige caftan in Morocco that cost close to 100 K I think?

she was way, way overdressed for an afternoon event where most of the women were wearing business casual. I think someone here even mentioned they thought she had intended to wear it to the Oscars but was not permitted to go, allegedly.
lucy said…
Happy Birthday Meg! 😆

https://www.womenshealth.com.au/media/18813/gettyimages-1198110983.jpg?width=720&center=0.0,0.0

and that hair :(


@Girl I may revisit Danja. When I last went to view one of her videos she was laying on her bed fresh out of shower and then I caught one when she was vacationing with her family on a boat. I did not "know" her so it was very bizarre to me to view her like this, hear her message

I will look again sometime :)
lucy said…
@cookie yes! I think it was Nutty herself that said it looked like oscar presenter dress, she may not be wrong. I will look for pic!

Edit:

Ugh.


https://footwearnews.com/2019/fashion/celebrity-style/meghan-markle-dior-dress-shoes-morocco-1202751140/
JHanoi said…
girl- that makes more sense because the 3 or 4 interviews i read yesterday, the hairdresser mentioned how easy it was , everything was by email/ phone / mood boards, they only met once , both had the same ‘timeless concept’ of a styled messy bun. it was super easy to place the tiara, he wants all his clients to use tiaras now. she was so calm serene, blah blah blah. no indication he needed more prep to do the hair. it only toook 40 minutes or so
JHanoi said…
jessica was her ‘stylist’ so it sorta makes sense MM would use that as an excuse to go window shopping with her bestie and raid the safe to chekout all the fancy jewels.
lucy said…
Trifecta of terror!

https://fabiosa.com/lbmkt-ctclb-rslpr-audkz-pbdlr-whoops-3-times-when-photographers-captured-naughty-details-in-meghan-markle-s-looks/

I think hair stylist comment is funny but for the fact she flew him in from France, saving the planet one 'do at a time
lucy said…
To be nice before I head out I thought Meg looked nice in this
https://www.elle.com/fashion/celebrity-style/a19864551/meghan-markle-black-dress-black-halo/

But of course she had to ruin it with that sh*t hair

She has the money, not sure why she doesn't invest it into her look. Her hair stylist should be the one crying not her makeup artist. Oh wait..
Lol have a great night all!
Weekittylass said…
My favorite MM outfit is the purple dress where the bump slips down her thighs. I truly believe she has been stripped of her HRH. The Queen cancelled her #Foke ass very subtlety. She is not a British citizen so, legally, she cannot have it. I remember articles pre-wedding that she had applied for her citizenship and was ‘working’ on it. That was a bold-faced lie from the bold-faced madame. I think the publicizing of their feud with Angela Kelly and their complete betrayal of the BRF was the straw that broke HRHs backs. Stay tuned for further developments. The BRF isn’t done yet. Mark my words. And I am here for it 24/7 365.
KC said…
Blast from the past….an article from DailyMail.com back when MM was still "said to be dating Prince Harry," comparing Harry's and Meghan's family histories, pretty favorable to Meghan. This is not where they said she is “straight (almost) out of Compton.” I’m sorry if we already referenced this but a refresher of how deep those British tabloids do dig for details. And we still respected PH. I don’t have the link, I just saved the text to read later but I’ll see if I can find it. I tried to italicize the picture captions to set them apart from text.

Part 1 of 4

EXCLUSIVE: Meet the family! How Harry's American girl's ancestors were a tailor, a teacher and a cleaner in racially-divided Jim Crow South - while his were ruling the British Empire
•Meghan Markle, who is said to be dating Prince Harry, has spoken of her pride in her family's mixed-race roots
•Her ancestry is a stark contrast to Prince Harry: his includes kings, queen and earls; hers a teacher, a tailor and a cleaning shop worker
•Her mother's family is from Tennessee and Georgia, and includes both black and white ancestors
•Records allude to the racially-divided nature of American history, with her great-great-grandfather recorded in a census as 'mulatto'
•Markle, 35, appears certain to have slave ancestors with her great-great-great-grandparents born in the South before the Civil War

By Daniel Bates For Dailymail.com

Published: 17:26 EDT, 4 November 2016 | Updated: 08:56 EDT, 5 November 2016
They have been said to have found much in common in their nascent romance, from doing yoga together to partying at an exclusive private members' club.

But the contrasts in Prince Harry and his rumored new girlfriend Meghan Markle's family backgrounds could hardly be starker.

On the one hand are ancestors whose empire stretched across vast portions of the globe, lived glamorous lives in palaces and were instantly recognizable to billions.

On the other is a family whose roots in the American South tell much of the struggle of the United States to come to terms with the legacy of slavery, and the divided society which grew up in its aftermath.

Markle, the 35-year-old Suits actress, has spoken of her pride in her mixed-race heritage and that her ancestors include slaves.

New love: Meghan Markle, the 35-year-old Suits actress, is said to be dating Prince Harry. The couple, however, have little in common in their family backgrounds

Family: Meghan Markle and her mother Doria Radlan were pictured by Bella New York magazine -www.bellanyc.com - at an event for United Nations women's day in March 2015

Family: Markle and her father when she was a child. His marriage to her mother ended early in her childhood

Family: Prince Harry (far right) is the son of Prince Charles, second in line to the British throne, grandson of the current queen, Queen Elizabeth, and great grandson of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother (second from left).


Now DailyMail.com has pieced together some of the details of her family tree, to show that it is not as simple as having a black mother and a white father, as Markle has written about.

In fact her mother's ancestors are both black and white themselves, and almost certainly include the victims of slavery.

DailyMail.com commissioned Massachusetts-based genealogist Elizabeth Banas to research Meghan's family history after she was revealed as Harry's girlfriend.

The prince, 32, the fourth in line to the British throne, is said to be 'besotted' with the glamorous 'Suits' actress, 35 and reportedly flew to see her last month in Toronto, where the show is filmed.

During her investigation Banas went back four generations on Meghan's mother's side to her great, great, great, great grandfather.
KC said…
Part 2 of 4 EXCLUSIVE: Meet the family!

Banas found that Meghan's family currently live in Los Angeles but they can be traced back to Georgia and Tennessee and mostly lived in and around Chattanooga.

Boom city: Like so many in early 20th century America, Meghan Markle's ancestor Jeremiah Ragland left rural life to find work - in his case heading to Chattanooga, Tennesse

Migration: Jeremiah Ragland left Jonesboro, in Clayton County, Georgia, where his family lived, for Tennessee. He clearly found some measure of success - owning his own tailoring shop in 1917.

Different measure of success: On the British throne at the time of Jeremiah Ragland's draft certificate was King Goerge V, with his consort Queen Mary, Harry's great-great grand parents


Her grandfather was Alvin A. Ragland, who died in 2011 at the age of 81. His wife was Ava Burrow, who is still alive and who worked for Hamilton County Schools in Tennessee before they moved to California.

Meghan's great grandfather was Steve R. Ragland who was born in 1908 in either Georgia or Tennessee - the records are not clear - and died in Los Angeles in 1983.

He was married to Lois Russell in Tennessee in 1929.

According to the 1930 census records, Steve worked as a the presser at the cleaning shop in Chattanooga.

The records do not go into detail about what the job involved but it would likely have been backbreaking work in dangerous conditions.

That this is now a simple story of poverty, however, is made clear by the fact that Steve's sister was Dora Cooper, a public school teacher, according to the 1940 Census.

Their father Jeremiah - or possibly Jerrymiah, or Jerry Miah - Regland lived in the same house as Dora and also there was his other daughter Lillie, a cook, and her husband Robert Calloway, a janitor.

Meghan's great great grandfather appears to have been one of the many Americans who in the late 19th or early 20th centuries quit rural life to find work in the rapidly-developing cities.

While pre-World War I America boomed, Harry's family was on the throne - his great-great grandfather was King George V, and his great-great grandmother was Queen Mary, previously Princess Mary of Teck.

Jeremiah Ragland was born in 1881 in Clayton in Georgia and died in 1944 in Chattanooga.

His death certificate states his mother's name was 'Texas', a white woman, and in the 1920 census he is described as 'mulatto', a mixture of white and black.

The crude racial language reflects the obsession of the Jim Crow South with delineating the races.

He married Claudie Ritchie, who was born in 1885 in Clayton too and died in 1939 in Chattanooga.

At the time of her death, the British throne was held by King George VI, Harry's great-grandfather, who was the last Emperor of India.

Jeremiah has a record in the World War I draft but it does not appear that he was called up. On his death certificate it lists 'none' under the wars he served in.

The draft certificate also reveals that he was a tailor and, according to Banas, owned his own tailor shop.

Claudie was a maid at Millers Bros store at the time of her death, the flagship outlet of the Miller's Department Store chain.

The store, which was two buildings on opposite sides of the street, was famous for having its own 'subway', an underground shopping mall linking the two.

Retail success: Jeremiah's wife Claudie was a maid at Miller's Department Store. It was on one hand a sign of booming America - and on the other of Jim Crow. Its white customers were served by a segregated staff

Segregation reality: A mass group picture of the workers at Miller's Department Store was carefully orgnaized: black workers were kept separate

Social order: The Jim Crow South was segregated in schools, hospitals, buses, and washrooms; justice was unequal and so too were voting rights. Miller Bros followed that lead as this photograph from the early 1930s showed
KC said…
Part 3 of 4 EXCLUSIVE: Meet the family!

An American life:
American lives: Jerry and Claudia Ragland moved from rural Georgia to the city, at a time of a massive migration from the rural South, but both died relatively young.

Record: The 1940 census which shows how the Ragland family lived. A more hurtful 1920 document recorded Jeremiah Ragland as a 'mullato' - mixed race. His mother, Texie Hendrick was white, his father Steve Ragland appears likely to have been black

British lives: Prince Harry's great-grandfather King George VI was the British king and last emperor of India when he was crowned in 1936. His wife Queen Elizabeth was to live to know Harry well.


According to The Chattanoogan, the customers would have been wealthy - and almost certainly white.

The newspaper's profile of the store reads: 'Miller Brothers carried the finest fashions and home décor, and sponsored events in keeping with their image. In 1967, they hosted a 'Hail, Britannia' collection, which included replicas of English jewelry and china. Representatives from Great Britain attended the gala. Miller Brothers was already known for its tea room, so the Britannia event was natural'.

A photograph of the workforce in the 1930s says much about the Jim Crow South: the races are strictly segregated, the black workers sent far to the left of the group lined up outside the store.

According to Banas, a survey of the 1920 census in Chattanooga's Ward 4, a black neighborhood, reveals that employment in the black community was still limited to non-professional jobs like laborers, servants, foundry workers, and railroad laborers.

Women were employed as servants however there were several business owners, including an auto mechanic, a retail store owner.

Both Jerry and Claudie were listed as employed meaning that they worked until they died, Jerry at the age of 63 and Claudie at the age of just 44.

Life in Tennessee as a black, or mixed-race, family would have been made even harder by economic disaster inflicted by the Great Depression.

Lynchings still took place in Tennessee at a rate of one a week until around 1930 and they persisted sporadically after that.

Such a life would have been unknown to the British Royal family in London, and around the world - swathes of which their country ruled.

Southern reality: One of the few photographs of slavery was taken in Georgia in the 1850s, and shows children forced to work on cotton fields. Although is is not absolutely certain that Markle's ancestors were enslaved, it appears extremely unlikely they were not - and this was the state they are likely to have lived in

Long to reign: At the time of the Civil War, Queen Victoria was on the throne in London. She is Prince Harry's great great great great grandmother. Meghan Markle's was known only as Mary.

Royal link: Meghan Markle posted this picture of the Victoria Memorial, outside Buckingham Palace. It is in memory of Queen Victoria and right outside where Harry's grandmother lives.


Among Harry's ancestors are, of course, the current Queen of the United Kingdom, Elizabeth II, and each of the country's monarchs since its inception in 1707.

Other notable ancestors are Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, who was born The Honourable Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowe-Lyon, the daughter of the 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorn, one of Scotland's premier aristocrats.

On his mother's side his grandfather was Edward John 'Johnnie' Spencer, the 8th Earl Spencer, and through him a series of the British nobility's most famous names.

As a result his relatives include Winston Churchill, the British prime minister during World War II, who was a relative of the Spencer family.
KC said…
Part 4 of 4 EXCLUSIVE: Meet the family!

For more recent generations, the divide between Meghan and Harry's families is perhaps not quite as pronounced.

Harry's mother, the late Princess Diana, is credited as being the first modern member of the Royal family and, before marrying her ex-husband Prince Charles, worked as a nanny and a cook.

Meghan's mother Doria Ragland works as a yoga teacher and jewelry maker and teacher in Los Angeles.

On her LinkedIn page she says she is a mental health therapist and she is a licensed social worker in California, state records reveal.

In a frank interview with Elle, Meghan talked about the struggles of growing up with a white mother and black father. She said: 'You create the identity you want for yourself, just as my ancestors did when they were given their freedom. Because in 1865 (which is so shatteringly recent), when slavery was abolished in the United States, former slaves had to choose a name. A surname, to be exact.

'Perhaps the closest thing to connecting me to my ever-complex family tree, my longing to know where I come from, and the commonality that links me to my bloodline, is the choice that my great-great-great grandfather made to start anew. He chose the last name Wisdom. He drew his own box'.

Banas couldn't find such a relative despite going back far enough. However she did not rule it out as records for slaves are often incomplete and they are often just a number rather than a name. Banas said: 'I was unable to find anyone called Wisdom going back four generations of her family. Lots of times there is a grain of truth in these stories and they are passed down from generation to generation. But a lot of times repeating the story it changes down the line. I really expected I was going to find somebody called Wisdom but that didn't happen'.

In fact the only people with the name Ragland and Wisdom that Banas could find were no relation to Meghan at all - and they were white slave owners.

In many cases, of course, emancipated slaves ended up with the surnames of their owners, having been stripped of their own identity through slavery.

There is only a slim chance that Markle is not descended from slaves.

The most distant answers Bannas found were Steve Ragland's parents, Richard Ragland and Mary.

Their dates of birth and death are so far unclear, but it appears almost certain they were black and would have been born before the Civil War. At the time, Queen Victoria reigned in Britain and the Empire.

When she took the throne, slavery still existed in the United States - and in fact, had only been abolished across the British Empire in 1833.

Incidentally, it was Victoria's grandfather, King George III, who lost the 13 colonies which declared themselves the United States of America.

On the other side of her family, Meghan has said that her father Thomas W. Markle, 72, a camera operator on the 1980s TV show Married with Children, came from Pennsylvania and was of Dutch and Irish descent.

Inquires by DailyMail.com have revealed that Meghan's family differ from Harry's family when it comes to finances too and her father, mother, sister and brother have all gone bankrupt.

Her father was the most recent and his case was concluded in September over $30,000 of debt, most of it on credit cards.

Prince Harry by contrast is comfortably well off. When he turned 30 he also inherited £10 million (£12 million) from the estate of his mother, the late Princess Diana.

Even when he was in the British Army Harry, who was known as Captain Wales, earned £38,847 ($48,415) a year.

Meghan's earnings from Suits, the hit TV show, mean that she is by far the most successful person in her family's history.

She is said to be worth $3 million and earns a reported $350,000 a year from endorsements and pay from the show.

THE END, EXCEPT IT WAS STILL THE BEGINNING.....
Girl with a Hat said…
as long as we have mentioned slavery, here are some little known facts about it.

The English rarely referred to America as the “colonies” but as the “plantations.”Plantations were envisioned as places were people, not crops, were planted.The people to be planted in these places were to be the poor of the British Isles, who had been outlawed in 1572. It was a crime to be poor in Great Britain and the penalty was a life of hard labor, starvation, mutilation and beatings.For the first 100 years the plantations were staffed almost exclusively by English children, Scottish kidnapping victims, along with Irish of all ages rounded up in a massive slave-catching initiative that removed five out of every six Irish persons from their homeland.Every cruelty inflicted upon African America slaves was first used and perfected on English orphans and children of the poor.Numerous rebellions by white, black and Indians dispossessed by this cruel mercantile economy have been misrepresented or dropped from the historical record
Girl with a Hat said…
@lucy - something that I have noticed about narcissists in my life is that they have a distorted sense of esthetics. Whenever a narc bought me a present or even something for themselves, it was just plain ugly. I mean, they chose the ugliest thing in a variety of things consistently.

I think Meghan also suffers from this and unless a good stylist (not Jessica Mulroney as she is also a narc) is helping her, Meghan looks like a dog's breakfast.

The weird thing is that they think they look good. I think there's a part of the brain that is affected. I'm not being snarky, I really think that neuroscientists should investigate my theory. It might also explain the other behaviour.
lucy said…
@Girl with a hat I am fortunate enough to think I have never been around narcissist. I have eyeshadow pallet named NARCISSIST, all I got :)
What I have learned of disorder(?) is what I have read here

But you make sense when you say they think they look good. It explains away many of Meg's appearances and judging by most she doesn't even give herself one last look in mirror before heading out. Like the sweat stained sweater would have instantly been discovered (unless all that happened during commute)

I think it is why I am so dumbfounded and shocked by her look and her statements. I struggle to accept someone could be so far removed from reality. Trust I am not so sheltered that I haven't been around lousy people but this is a whole other level. She literally gets everything wrong.
Girl with a Hat said…
@lucy, I think she's an extreme case but yes, I think there is some sort of esthetics problem with narcissists and that the area of the brain linked to esthetics might be very close to the area linked to the other symptoms of narcissism. That's my theory.
Ralph L said…
Jeremiah Ragland left Jonesboro, in Clayton County, Georgia

Jonesboro was the nearest town to Tara in Gone with the Wind.
CatEyes said…
There was a study involving narcissists and the results were as follows:

In this study, the team of scientists led by Privatdozent Dr. Stefan Röpke from the Charité Department of Psychiatry and Director of the personality disorders working group, have for the first time demonstrated the structural correlate of this deficit. They analyzed a total of 34 test subjects, of which 17 suffered from a narcissistic personality disorder. By means of various tests, the researchers had already revealed in a preliminary study that these patients actually exhibit a deficit of the ability to empathize. Using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) methods, the scientists measured the thickness of the patients' cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex forms the external nerve cell layer of the brain. The findings revealed that those subjects suffering from narcissistic personality disorder exhibited structural abnormalities in precisely that region of the brain, which is involved in the processing and generation of compassion. For patients with narcissism, this region of the cerebral cortex was markedly reduced in thickness compared to the control group.

"Our data shows that the amount of empathy is directly correlated to the volume of gray brain matter of the corresponding cortical representation in the insular region, and that the patients with narcissism exhibit a structural deficit in exactly this area," states Dr. Röpke, commenting on the findings. "Building on this initial structural data, we are currently attempting to use functional imaging (fMRI) to understand better how the brains of patients with narcissistic personality disorder work."

Although it doeesn't have to do with their self-image it does conclude they have a neurological reason for their lack of empathy.

Enbrethiliel said…
@Hikari
I watched the Craig Ferguson clip the first time you posted it, but since I wasn't a regular watcher of his show, I didn't have a baseline to judge it against. Thanks for pointing out other the body language "tells."

Oh, speaking of body language . . . I used to be very impressed with the woman behind Bombard's Body Language. I thought her analysis of an old Joe Biden video that shows him interacting with new legislators who were being sworn in was excellent. In fact, I'd still recommend it. But I was truly disappointed in her analysis of Harry and Meghan's engagement interview. In the end, she actually said of Meghan: "I like her!"

A few weeks ago, I visited her site again to see if there were any new Harkle videos, and if her opinion had changed in any way. There was one on their arrival at the Mountbatten Festival of Music. (The one where Meghan was wearing the long red dress.) Bombard pointed out that Meghan's fussing with her hair and dress (e.g. tucking hair behind her ear over and over, even when it was already in place; smoothing down her dress, also and over and over, although it was actually well-pressed for once) was a sign of great nervousness. Harry was at ease; Meghan wasn't.

Sadly, nothing on the really meaty stuff, like the last Commonwealth Day or any of the hostage videos.
lucy said…
Interesting regarding the study. Got me thinking if I ever saw Meg showing empathy. Granted I only know of her public persona but really everything I have seen/read shows complete lack of

Her dogs she abandoned, her husbands, her dad. Her whining in SA amid all the starvation and poverty. Her treatment of RF. Her declarations of all the causes she will champion (even that $8,000 is rather insulting) I could go on, it is easy, but I can't think of one selfless thing she has done or anything with a photo not attached to it. Not one. She even knelt to kiss child's hand but ended up kissing her own thumb.
Ziggy said…
@Lucy good point about the excess fabric and too-long sleeves. I think I just like it because it looks like something comfy I'd sleep in on a hot summer night.

Worst looks for me would probably be brown on brown w/ pit stains:
https://twitter.com/taylorlorenz/status/1214653471317807112

And the hideous green tent at the polo match:
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a28351593/meghan-markle-archie-prince-harry-polo/


It's taken me 2 hours to catch up and get this far - it's 08.03 here (BST) and I'm beginning to wilt - so here goes:

Many thanks to Pink Peony, Miggy,Lt Nyota & KCM1212 - for your kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed the parody.

I find when I tried to sing it, the tune for the verse turns into `Darling Nellie Gray'... (the melody was used here for a Newcastle comic song `Keep Yer Feet Still, Geordie Hinny' about the miseries of sharing a bed in a `lodging hoos doon by the shore' - more upbeat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_yor_feet_still_Geordie_hinny

Are we still allowed to mention Nellie Gray? My parents had it on a 78rpm & I found it unbearably sad. The Geordie song is more fun, more upbeat.

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Other nicknames:

@Hikari - I love `La Cucaracha'- sounds so wonderful, unless you know what it means! It's appropriate too, the way her antennae sweep back and forth, trying to pick up hints of any kind of slight. If anyone attempts to swipe or step on her, she scuttles under the nearest skirting board and hides.

Did anyone follow up my mention of Gilbert & Sullivan's `Duke & Duchess of Plaza Toro' from the `The Gondoliers'? It could have been written with them in mind.

Thinking of musical theatre - @Cat Eyes, that’s a good one! – At this rate we’ll have the makings of a whole rap, song and dance show. How about `Oh, What a Lovely Wh*re’ as a title?

cf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh!_What_a_Lovely_War

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Btw, has anyone noticed her hands? I don't know about being 39 today (Happy Birthday, Megsie! Are you OK?) but they sometimes look very aged, especially the knuckles. Is it sun damage? Without slap, her face looks, shall we say, weathered? Ain't Pan Stik wonderful?

The Fabiosa photo, from @lucy (Thanks!) where she has her hand on a car, really brings this out.

That caftan wasn't very attractive but I liked it! Why? Because it almost completely hid her! No legs, no armpits or boobs. Still got the plastic hair though.
@Girl with a hat – Yes!

There’s plenty of evidence that the English poor, were treated atrociously by their `betters’.

Scotland may have had the Highland Clearances; the English equivalent were the Enclosures which threw cottagers off the common land that they relied on for grazing livestock, possibly only one goose, for foraging wild food and firewood . Many had to go to the towns for work in the factories that were springing up – very convenient for the factory owners – who were probably the land–owners as well.

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@Cat Eyes – Wow! That is interesting about the MRI scans.

I looked back at the Science Daily report hoping it would say which part of the brain is concerned with empathy. Presumably it had been identified previously by connecting personality changes following damage to a specific area – but which one. I wonder ? Shall investigate.

One my narcs was once diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy but I’ve gathered since that narc `silent treatment’ is difficult to distinguish from an epileptic `absence’.
Random comment on an Express article that had me chuckling:

I wonder where they'll next find a free bed, when they asked to leave their present location. I predict they'll be joining the "in" crowd living in the LA storm Drains.
xxxxx said…
Girl with a Hat said...
as long as we have mentioned slavery, here are some little known facts about it.

The English rarely referred to America as the “colonies” but as the “plantations.”Plantations were envisioned as places were people, not crops, were planted.The people to be planted in these places were to be the poor of the British Isles, who had been outlawed in 1572. It was a crime to be poor in Great Britain and the penalty was a life of hard labor, starvation, mutilation and beatings.For the first 100 years the plantations were staffed almost exclusively by English children, Scottish kidnapping victims, along with Irish of all ages rounded up in a massive slave-catching initiative that removed five out of every six Irish persons from their homeland.Every cruelty inflicted upon African America slaves was first used and perfected on English orphans and children of the poor.Numerous rebellions by white, black and Indians dispossessed by this cruel mercantile economy have been misrepresented or dropped from the historical record


All people in America back then were slaves to very hard work. Slaves white and black. As in if you did not work you will have nothing to eat. Reaching 50 years was old age. Clearing land so you can farm it. Cutting down trees with axes? That will vibrate through your body and shorten you life.
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“Have you any idea what clearing land in the 17th to early 20th century involved? No machinery, no technology. Just a few hand tools and an ox (maybe). Bone crushing, back breaking, life-shortening, wretched toil, day and night.

Why don’t you go to some still-wild area, with your axe and saw, apply yourself, and then let’s have a look at the results.”

And then used a drawknife to peel bark off the logs. As you say, a tremendous amount of work. The people who imply that whites sat around while minorities did all the work that generated the wealth of America are lying know-nothings. The evil shits should, as you say, be forced to do work as our pioneer ancestors did. Most would quit in disgust and despair. They couldn’t hack it. Which is why they waited until we had done all the heavy lifting before immigrating here. Changing bedpans or cleaning a swimming pool are recreation compared to the work you describe. Thanks for going to bat and setting the record straight.

https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Liza (must scroll down)
Maneki Neko said…
MM's best fashion choices

Do watch this video showing MM's 'fashion' plus styles of coat flicking etc during pregnancy. The voiceover is narrated in a witch's voice :)


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaDVIVrq2U

Well, if she gets nothing else, at least Meghan has had a public "happy birthday" from the Queen. I bet that'll annoy her no end; how dare HMTQ rise above everything that's gone on recently and continue to be publicly polite! ~snickers~
Maneki Neko said…
The Queen's birthday wishes to MM was rather plain. No Balmoral this year? (Archie's too young to travel?). No cake baked with the Queen's own fair hands?

Two comments in the DM that are very apt:

Evander, Melbourne

Despite your never-ending pattern of airing you grievances and displays of disloyalty, the Queen still sends you a public birthday wish. Now that's class, Meghan, and you could learn a lot from her.

Honey, Manchester

The day the antichrist was born, nobody should celebrate that vile narcissists so called birthday, the day the devil was born and the dark skies covered the earth, she is also 44


The antichrist!
Jerseydeanne isn't pulling any punches today, under "Sailing…Sailing …over the bounding Maine!”
Aquagirl said…
Love the birthday wishes from the Cambridge’s with Me-Me-Me interacting with a little girl at an event. Are they throwing shade? I certainly hope so!
Hikari said…
Here is a link to the birthday wishes extended by the royal family on this, the natal anniversary of ‘the’ shining light of our misbegotten century, the visionary who is blazing the path to Woke-land. Taking the piss or not, care was taken to select two attractive pics of St. Meghan. There were so many more to choose from, particularly from the visit to Chester sans hat, when MM looked high AF.

Even without a lavish birthday celebration amidst a global pandemic, the Duchess shouldn’t fret because as one of her ‘friends’ reliably informed us, she has the power to transform any room she’s in into a festive holiday just by walking into it.

Meg should enjoy this last of her 39th birthdays as a Royal Duchess, potentially, May it please God and Queen Elizabeth II.

https://www.insider.com/kate-middleton-queen-publicly-wish-meghan-markle-happy-birthday-2020-8
abbyh said…

Wowza, in case you have not seen this yet:

Edward Enninful claims that M understood the rules she was supposed to follow (they only took a minute) and then that the some of criticism was not racism but unfair to her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8591191/British-Vogue-editor-Edward-Enninful-denies-criticism-Meghan-Markle-racism.html

My take is that was not a wise move because it shows then that any not following of the rules equals a deliberate flouting.

Aquagirl said…
@Hikari: Thanks for making me laugh!!!

I guess nobody wanted to have a COVID test so that they could participate in her birthday celebration then?
JHanoi said…
enniful- i scanned the rules article
my opinion on MM and the rules, MM was brought up in LA California, by hippie dippy parents that were living the California dream. sunshine, avocados, yoga & pot cures all. rules are for fools. kids are brought up with no boundaries, restrictions, rules and don’t know the word “no”.
they want free spirirt kids because they think they are free spirited.

MM joined the BRF, knew they had rules and prtocols, because they are the BRF. she was going to ‘modernize’ and ‘change’ the monarchy. AKA throw out the rules and protocols, get rid of the stuffyness.

She absolutely knew there were rules, but she’s above it all and rules have never applied to her.

HM gave her valued employees that were there to ‘show her the ropes’, and advise on protocol, procedure inorder for a smooth transisiton. MM ignored them because she’s above that, she’s a free spirit hippie dippie california girl!
Unknown said…
I'm guessing this is Enninful's version of tact. He'd be a fool if he said it was pure racism when people called Rache out for a $1 million wardrobe while "pregnant" when HMTQ and two future Queen Consorts have never spent that much.

Anyone, no matter their age or background, that has had a job and needed to keep said job because they didn't have "Angels" aka financial backers to let them float around in life, knows you keep your head down, follow the rules, and learn fast how not to get fired.

Rache failing in the BRF, the cushiest job on Earth, isn't proof Brits are racist or hyper-critical. Her failure is proof Rache has always been unemployable and her incompetence showed on the biggest stage possible.
lizzie said…
I'm willing to agree that  adapting to expected customs within the monarchy could be difficult for an American.

But the only way it should have taken M very long to learn "the rules" that she seemed to immediately violate is if she had to acquire ordinary good manners and professional behavior at the same time.  And it's not as though these don't exist in the US!

Some of the "esoteric" rules for a new royal spouse she either didn't seem to grasp early on or wasn't willing to follow: Don't talk over people or interrupt them, don't speak harshly to staff, don't try to grab attention from members of your new family, don't expect your staff to welcome daily text/email cellphone chimes at 5am (writing texts/emails at 5am but scheduling delivery for a bit later should be easy enough for someone "whip smart"), don't wear an off-the-shoulder cocktail party outfit to a morning birthday party, do make sure work clothes fit and are pressed, don't engage in excessive PDA while working, don't wear outfits that expose undergarments or lines from undergarments, don't stick your tongue out at people, don't talk politics at work unless that's your assigned job, don't constantly touch your hair and then shake hands, don't flaunt wealth, don't invite only one member of your family to your televised 600-person guest list wedding and expect no questions, don't expect an institution/business/family to change its practices to suit you...

While it may have been a challenge for an American to adapt to the monarchy, one advantage M could have had over an ordinary bride marrying into a family she did not know well is there is a wealth of information available about what is expected within the RF. If as an American I've known for years the Queen prefers women to wear hose when working, M could have known that. If M wanted to know what women wear to the TOC events, there are decades of photographs available online. And everybody knows politics are off-limits...

She either didn't care about what was expected or more likely, was simply determined to have her own way. If Edward Enninful is sincere that M needed "more than a minute" to understand the above "rules" he's either deluded or lacks decent manners and a professional demeanor himself.
abbyh said…

Rache failing in the BRF, the cushiest job on this Earth, isn't proof Brits are racist or extremely critical. It shows that Rache has always been unemployable and she showed how incompetent she is on the biggest stage possible.

This. Especially about being unemployable. thanks

Every job has rules and expectations. To succeed, you have to understand what they are. To change them, you have to show that you have mastered them successfully and that perhaps we could/should reconsider changing this from X to now Y. To come in and think that they are doing things all wrong and ought to listen to you spout off how silly it is to do it a certain way is inviting some sort of slap down (sooner or later, in some form). And the BRF is subtle.
xxxxx said…
Maneki Neko said...
MM's best fashion choices
Do watch this video showing MM's 'fashion' plus styles of coat flicking etc during pregnancy. The voiceover is narrated in a witch's voice :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaDVIVrq2U


I pushed my like button seven times. Nasty but cute. A boffo and fun video in 3 minutes. Easy click link> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaDVIVrq2U
Maneki Neko said…
@xxxxx

A bit catty maybe but very true. Good to watch if you're feeling down 😊!
A technical question: how do you insert embedded links in html?
Girl with a Hat said…
@abbyh, not just every job has rules, but every group of people have unspoken and unwritten rules on how to behave and what is acceptable. In fact, people are often rejected for not adhering to these rules. Anyone with any emotional intelligence tries to pick up and undertand these rules and behaves accordingly if they want to be accepted.

It could be as simple as "we are family", "family first", etc.

Being rude and hostile to someone would be when these rules are not spelled out or demonstrated when the person is a newcomer and the person rejected after a first offense.

Being rude and hostile for the newcomer would be when the rules are explained, the first offenses forgiven, but the person continues to flaut and disregard the rules.
LavenderLady said…
Looking at the BD wishes the RF sent to La Markle I can only conclude HMTQ is sending a message which goes far beyond a Birthday wish. Is it saying "this is what I gave you", this is what you had and what did you do with it? To us?"

I can only see it as the RF taking the high road. Killing her with kindness. They are on the edge of a republic; like Bea's wedding, decorum must come first during these Covid days. The high road must be taken.

I can see it no other way.
Miz Malaprop said…
@JHanoi

In defense of "hippie-dippy California" girls. As a Cali native, raised by bohemians, in Los Angeles, please do not blame US for The Markle. One can be a free spirit, eat avocado toast, and be raised to question authority, while STILL being able to have manners, follow guidelines and hierarchies (at work, say, or meeting in-laws).

Blame the parents, the Markles, or narcissism, but don't blame California. Please.

Please note, her parents were NOT hippies, neither were they raised in California or were of the right age to participate in the "free love" era of the late 1960's. Doria may teach yoga, but what little we do know about her is she pursued status and money through the entertainment INDUSTRY and her travel agency management was about money. Thomas was a bit of a workaholic, also a non-hippie lifestyle.

Hollywood as an industry is mostly comprised on non-California natives. People move to LA from all over the world to "make it big" and certainly infect parts of Southern California, but that's a small subset of a vast region. Also, most of the remaining hippies were more likely to be found in Northern California, even in the sixties, LA was all about ambition (even the Manson cult wanted to rule the world).

Until ol' Harry entered her world, Me-Again managed to follow all the rules on the Suits set, where she was was the romantic interest of the second lead. I haven't seen reports of her flouting set schedules, dress codes or script demands.

No, her big old head exploded when her fantasy about being a Princess became TOO REAL or some such thing. Please don't judge California by her behavior or words.
CatEyes said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid

The Science Daily article which sites the area of the brain associated with empathy is the 'anterior insular cortex'. The research was done at the esteemed Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121024175240.htm

Other studies I looked up said much the same thing, the frontal cortex area of the brain
LavenderLady said…
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LavenderLady said…
@Puds,
Megan must be growling by now.

Let me kindly disagree. That Thing is reveling in her pics with HMTQ being seen all over the world, thinking how great she is, how wonderful she will look in history and how special she is to TQ.

That is the view from the top floor in the narc's mind. I was married to one. All the while the gears in her bird brain are ferociously spinning thinking how she can use her removal of the HRH on the Royal website to get another foot up in her PR campaign.

La Cucaracha is correct. She will survive the Apocalypse. Those types always do...
KCM1212 said…
@KC

Very interesting article about MMs "other" famiky, KC

I was surprised at one claim however: 50 lynchings a year in Tennessee?

So, being a good Nutty, I looked it up. According to a Time article, and my admittedly-feeble math skills, it would have been closer to five a year during the Reconstruction period.

"The report by the Equal Justice Initiative, a nonprofit that provides legal counsel to the poor, calculates that there were 3,959 lynchings in the South from the end of the Reconstruction era in 1877 to 1950."

Thats 3959/73/12= 4.51 yearly per state on average

Not a proponant of lynching, you understand, but I am one of accurate history.

https://time.com/3703386/jim-crow-lynchings/
KCM1212 said…
Sorry, the article stayed it was looking at 12 "Southern" states. There may have been more in other states.

No one was particularly kind to Blacks in any state.

@CatEyes,

Thank you for this info - no obvious connection with temporal cortex then?
It doesn't look as though MM is doing anything special for her birthday - just staying at home and having a quiet celebration (like the rest of us, I might add, since the beginning of the pandemic). I do remember, though, that about ten days ago, there was a flurry of articles about how she was planning to have a big birthday party in Montecito (where Oprah just happens to own a huge mansion - hint, hint). However, it doesn't seem as though Oprah or any other of her celebrity friends is throwing a party for her. Reality is finally slapping the Harkles in the face.

For the Queen, Prince Charles and the Cambridges to send MM birthday greetings is a stroke of PR genius. After the release of extracts of the whine-ography FF and everything else that has gone on beforehand, I'm sure they didn't feel like wishing the grifter a happy birthday, but did so anyways, because not doing so would have made critics call them petty and vindictive. Instead, the Harkles are the ones who are coming across as petty, vindictive, spoiled and entitled. Well played, Your Majesty, well played.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtX6Gbjffsw

check out the latest DanjaZone - I know she can sound insane sometimes, but she has a theory about why Meghan gave up one of her dogs. It's because Harry and the dog got along too well.
Maneki Neko said…
Have you seen this? "bMeghan Markle's funniest Instagram videos". (Funniest??). She looks demented in one (the way she dances).


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markles-old-instagram-photos-22441679
LavenderLady said…
@Puds,

I don't think you are wrong. I believe they are not in full support of her. History tells us this. They just have to show that they are not going to throw them to the wolves like they did David and Wallis. Those days are over.

I truly believe the Queen is a kind woman who learned from her mistakes from the past like not allowing her sister to marry the man she really loved. That's just one example.

Thanks for your thoughts :)

@Barbara,
Well played, Your Majesty, well played.


Yes! ITA.


LavenderLady said…
@Puds,

@ Pink Peony, I agree with your point of view from Meghans perspective as a narc, and all media is good media for Meghan. However, narcs seek revenge as well, it will have hurt Meghan to have HRH removed so publically in UK, if she has been in a power struggle with her Majesty it will also annoy her that despite her efforts the Queen remains unwounded.

ITA. This is what I was getting at. She may well spin the removal of the HRH in a nefarious way.

Sometimes I am not crystal clear on my responses and they are interpreted differently than how I meant them :D
xxxxx said…
@KCM1212

I am not going to look up the statistics. You who are interested can do this. A few thousand white people were lynched in the South extending on up to Indiana. Indiana was a 1920s stronghold of Klan -KKK. And they had it in for Catholics too


Summary - Criminal whites got lynched too in ye ol South. Hanged in Frontier Justice
Maneki Neko said…

Not sure if the video works well when you paste the link,not not just Google
Daily Mirror Meghan Markle's old Instagram photos
Mel said…
lizzie said…

Agree with all of this, although imo that's cutting her too much slack.

But the only way it should have taken M very long to learn "the rules" that she seemed to immediately violate is if she had to acquire ordinary good manners and professional behavior at the same time.

As you say, all the things you listed are just basic manners and common courtesy wherever you go. Working or not.

one advantage M could have had over an ordinary bride marrying into a family she did not know well is there is a wealth of information available about what is expected within the RF.the Queen prefers women to wear hose when working, M could have known that. If M wanted to know what women wear to the TOC events, 

Not to mention that the palace provided princess training. She was given verbal as well as written instructions for most of this stuff.

If she had questions there was an assigned staffer to help her (although I had recently that she had declined the palace person and hired her own American staffer, which would definitely say she had no intention of following the rules, didn't even feel a need to know them). Or she could have asked H, who could have given advice as to who would have the answer.

For the unwritten or esoteric rules...there are always those wherever you go. Up to you to figure them out. Sometimes you find them out by accidentally breaking them. Now you know, so don't do it again. Nothing to do with racism. Just the way unwritten rules work.

But if they were that esoteric they wouldn't be so highly visible when broken as her mistakes were. We as the public wouldn't even have known they were broken if they were that esoteric.

She not only didn't care about brf rules, she was pretty determined that no one was going to tell *her* what to do.

Another poster mentioned that she seemed to be able to follow the rules on Suits well enough to last 7 years. True...she may have been difficult and full of herself, but she didn't break enough rules to get fired, either. She seemed to be able to deal with the hierarchy on that set, so why not in the brf?

So why didn't she behave in the brf? She said she was willing to do whatever it takes. Haha to the poster who said that mm couldn't even let the queen get into the car first.

I think a few things....H encouraged her to act up because once William started having children it really hit home that H was not ever going to be co-king. The hierarchy started being enforced. And that's when H really started resenting William.

By the time mm came into the picture, William had 3 kids and H's resentment had become out and out hate. And he projected all of that to mm.

I think also that mm for whatever reason didn't see her marriage as twofold.... new hire working for a family business, and marrying into a family.

The hierarchy thing, being second to Catherine for example, was part of the business structure, which has been in place for 1000 years. Not to be thrown out the window for some newcomer. Nothing to do with marrying into a family. She was a new hire. Not a sister-in-law.

Which she didn't seem to recognize. She didn't seem to make that differentiation.
I don't think H makes that differentiation himself.

Yes, it's hard. It's complicated for a normal family. For this family it's particularly hard. Lots of it in the public eye, under intense scrutiny. And their family is their business. They can't just come home and be family, putting the business stuff aside,

I think of my own family business. The ceo is a middle brother. At work he's definitely the boss. At family events he's definitely 3rd in line, behind me and another brother. We never let him forget it. His wife had a hard time adjusting for the first years. At work she was the boss's wife. At family events she was just one of the many sister-in-laws. But she adjusted and all is good now.

Sigh. It could have been so different. MM and H just didn't want it to be.
lizzie said…
@KCM1212 wrote

"Not a proponant of lynching, you understand, but I am one of accurate history."

I like accuracy too. And I also question the lynching numbers. If there really had been 50 a year in Tenn from 1877 to 1930 (a 53-year period so 50 x 53 = 2,650), that would mean 67% of the 3,959 Southern lynchings reported by the Equal Justice Initiative in the 73-year period from 1877 to 1950 took place in Tenn. That's simply not believable.

While the NAACP does report different overall numbers from the Equal Justice Initiative for a variety of reasons, (years covered are different, data include through 1968, not 1950), data include whites lynched too) Tenn was not one of the top states for lynchings. The top 3 were Mississippi, Georgia, and Texas. https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

So no telling where the reporter got that information about Tenn. I am sure lynchings were under-recorded/reported but not by that much.

The information about Doria in the article is iffy too and in one instance is flat-out demonstrably wrong.

The article says:

"Meghan's mother Doria Ragland works as a yoga teacher and jewelry maker and teacher in Los Angeles."

"On her LinkedIn page she says she is a mental health therapist and she is a licensed social worker in California, state records reveal."

I sincerely doubt Doria is or has ever seriously worked as a "jewelry maker and teacher." But that's just my opinion. However I am 100% positive she is not now nor has she ever been "a licensed social worker in California." Nor do "state records" support that she is or ever was.

There is only one social work "license" in CA, the LCSW. Doria does not hold that license according to the licensure board. Since 2015 Doria has been "registered" as an Associate Clinical Social Worker. That's not an actual license but registration allows the registrant to acquire the licensure board-approved required number of supervised hours of practice in social work (3000 post-degree hours over a minimum of 2 full years) to sit for the national SW exam in order to become an LCSW. An exam in California law and ethics must be passed too.

A reporter who doesn't understand professional licensure in mental health areas may not understand those details (because registration is through the licensure board.)
HappyDays said…
In light of Meghan’s petty, juvenile public bitching about the time Kate sent her some flowers, I think it would be deliciously hilarious and probably annoy the crap out of Mayhem if Kate sent Meghan a magnificent birthday arrangement of flowers with an OTT sugary, gushy note for emphasis.
LavenderLady said…
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LavenderLady said…
I agree that many Americans would have a harder time with the Royal protocol. We're a feisty bunch!

I myself come from an ethnic group where we don't consider ourselves culturally American but we are proud Americans and mostly assimilated especially the younger generations. We see ourselves as different. We know we are marginalized here in the USA even though we go back many many many years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. We do not consider the Founding Fathers as our Fathers.

With that said, I have friends who joined a very conservative Ana Baptist group from the outside, from "the world". That community is an institution with very strict protocols, beliefs and an extreme sense of decorum. They adjusted because it's what they wanted for their lives. Years later, they are still members of that community. They have said that several couples and some singles have joined and are doing well. The community helps them to assimilate.

Americans adjust very well to the military or we wouldn't have a viable armed forces. Prisoners adjust to prison life (some too well as when let are let out they immediately commit another crime so they can go back to their three hots and a cot!).

So it is possible for Americans to adjust to institutional living. La Markle just didn't want to because she thinks she is above the Royal protocol plus she didn't care about assimilating because she had an exit plan once she received her title. IMO.
CatEyes said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid

To your question I found this:
"Fluctuation in perceived emotional intensity correlated with activity in brain regions previously implicated in cognitive empathy (bilateral superior temporal sulcus, temporoparietal junction, and temporal pole) and affective empathy (right anterior insula and inferior frontal gyrus). When emotional video clips were compared to neutral video clips, we observed higher activity in similar brain regions. Empathic accuracy, on the other hand, was only positively related to activation in regions that have been implicated in cognitive empathy."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811918305068

Yesterday in the articles I read, one research study named several close regions of the brain that seem to play a part in someone's ability to feel or show empathy. As a biologist, I think the research will uncover more definitive aspects of how the brain plays a part for our behaviors. From years ago, I had thought our biology could very well answer a lot of questions on why humans do what they do, far beyond the 'nuture' part and largely due to the 'nature' part of an explanation. However, just as in anything, we humans should not excuse our actions due to biology because we have the ability to edit our behavior because of our intellectual decision-making skills, assuming we have a decent moral compass. With Meghan, it appears she lacks that decency in so many of her actions.
Fairy Crocodile said…
I understand why royals sent her birthday wishes and published her photo with the Queen - look, she had all and more - but deep inside I wish they simply stepped over her and went as if it never happened. The longer she is associated with royals the bigger the damage would be.
Fairy Crocodile said, I understand why royals sent her birthday wishes and published her photo with the Queen - look, she had all and more - but deep inside I wish they simply stepped over her and went as if it never happened. The longer she is associated with royals the bigger the damage would be.

It’s called killing her with kindness etc. I do so agree with you though, and wish they’d simply forgotten it was her birthday. However, their way she can hardly complain can she? ;o)
@ Raspberry Raffle

You are right of course. If I were a PR person for the queen I would clench my teeth and advise the same.
Hikari said…
Other parts of the Queens birthday wishes to Megatron:

Thanks to poster bizzymommy via Skippy. You will laugh.

https://skippyv20.tumblr.com/post/625536919947935744



Girl with a hat

Thanks for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtX6Gbjffsw

I'd buy the idea that she was jealous of the bond between H and the dog - my narc ex complained that I loved my old dog more than I did him. I longed to say `That's because she's much nicer person than you are' but saved my breath.

She and I walked out on him together.

I wonder how much of the rest is reliable?

I'd certainly go along with TP's assessment of BLM because in the UK BLM gets a great deal of support from SWP (Socialist Worker's Party - the clues in the name)

I can also believe she's capable of making the sort of row during a rage that could be known to others. The amount of energy that narcs find when they erupt, and the manic manner of it, are prodigious. Apparently, my last narc and her sister, who is also that way inclined, had an all-night row over goods and chattels when their father died, screaming their heads off and chasing each other around the house, with much slamming of doors. They were in their late 50s at the time.

It was exhausting just having one of them exploding at something I've said, even without further provocation. She couldn't leave it alone either. Even when I thought she'd calmed down, she came back at me time and time again.

It's raving madness.

Is there anything else I've forgotten, apart from dogs, BLM and rows? I do hope that it's correct that nobody would vote for her!

Btw, another thing narcissists do is tell you how you are feeling. Or rather insist you are not feeling what you say you are - such as feeling like death on a daytrip with a stinking cold, verging on 'flu, or exhausted by lack of sleep.
@CatEyes,

Thanks again for further info - the Nature/Nurture debate will be with us for a long time yet! There's a definite political slant to the argument, unfortunately.

Those who criticise society most loudly tend to towards Nurture as the determinant, whereas those with the contrary view, even when supported by twin studies, have to be very careful how they express their conclusions. They usually put it that genetics determines/ contributes up to half of whichever outcome one is trying to measure.

We can see quite clearly how MM's background has shaped her yet we can wonder whether the mind of a person with a different genotype would have developed differently. Genes probably laid the foundations for narcissism but Markle family life built on it, letting her grow up without boundaries. Were the genes of her parents responsible for the way they raised her- was it their upbringing that did it?

So many imponderables!
Thanks, Hikari. for the Skippy posts- where I found this:

https://skippyv20.tumblr.com/post/625474652013248512/im-giving-you-guys-a-sneak-peek-at-the-gift-im?is_highlighted_post=1

What Joyce Grenfell might have called a `useful and acceptable gift'.
Miggy said…
I don't know if any of you have watched According 2Taz's latest video but there is a really FUNNY bit of news a the end of the video regarding Megsy!

I don't want to spoil your fun... so please watch! (approx @ 13:14 onwards) LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p9glB6mM24

lucy said…
LOL @hikari!

Trying to be productive today and you all keep drawing me in

🤣

http://www.atchuup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/c5.jpg
KCM1212 said…
maggie foster has a great take on the engagement interview.

Its on IG

https://www.instagram.com/meggiefoster/

or Skippys blog

https://skippyv20.tumblr.com

She is genius.
LavenderLady said…
@Miggy,
LOL. That cake! Ha! So funny...
KCM1212 said…
Thanks Hikari!

My dog is glaring at me for startling her laughing
OKay said…
Oh @Miggy. Delightful.
LavenderLady said…
@Miggy, @WBBM,
I pulled up the one with the FU Cake from TQ. 😏 First time posting on my phone...
Miggy said…
Aesop post poo drops!

I'm still on the floor laughing! 😆
lucy said…
I just subscribed to 2Taz . I was being jerk earlier. I feel it is important to support those that "shine a light" on true Meg.

What is really comical about the ad/end of video is Meg got instructions wrong. You are supposed to use drops AFTER you flush

I also cannot believe she used to have that dishsoap propaganda in her royal biography LOL! Really?
Cass said…
Dear Meghan, Happy whatever age you choose to be today! I hope you like the Venus Fly Trap plant I sent you, it kinda reminded me of you!
lizzie said…
@WBBM,

I agree with what you've said about the nature-nurture "debate." But one piece that seems to be left out alot is how biology can shape nurture (or the part of  overall nurture that corresponds most closely to what we mean by the word "nurture" outside of this debate--- in other words, human interactions.)

For example, if a child has a biological predisposition because of brain or biochemical differences to be emotionally labile, often parents/friends/teachers/sibs treat that child differently than a child whose biology predisposes her to a more stable emotional state. In the case of the first child it wouldn't be surprising to see either unhealthy attempts to placate to avoid causing more emotional upsets OR unhealthy denial of a child's expressed feelings (as in Linehan's theory about the role and invalidating family may play in the development of BPD.)
@ Lizzie

Interesting subject of nature vs nurture. I saw a South Korean documentary where a wealthy guy cloned his dog and got two completely genetically identical pups. He was saying not only they are different in character from his dog, they are different from each other! And to me, ladies and gentlemen, this was a pretty convincing proof of a soul.

lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile,

Interesting!
Blogger Pink Peony said...
@Miggy, @WBBM,
I pulled up the one with the FU Cake from TQ. �� First time posting on my phone...ed up the one with the FU Cake from TQ. �� First time posting on my phone...

@lucy said...
I just subscribed to 2Taz . I was being jerk earlier. I feel it is important to support those that "shine a light" on true Meg.

What is really comical about the ad/end of video is Meg got instructions wrong. You are supposed to use drops AFTER you flush


-----------------------

Thanks to both of you for a good laugh!

On the subject of pooing, I realise now that the samurai did a-one-foot-on-the-other-knee pose but the recommended way in UK is the Thinker-pose, ideally with both feet firmly on the ground or, better, on something that lifts them a little (eg bathroom duckboard)

Seriously, does anyone apart from MM cross their legs at thigh level? Don't answer that...

or is it something my sheltered upbringing protected me from?
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,

"I pulled up the one with the FU Cake from TQ. �� First time posting on my phone...ed up the one with the FU Cake from TQ. �� First time posting on my phone..."

I copied the link, pasted on Google and up popped a pic of the Queen with a BD cake that was decorated with F@#k You in frosting. Lol I kid you not. Clearly it was the wrong link? But pretty funny :D :D

The symbols are me on my phone making use of emoji's which I can't do on my lap top. Guess they didn't translate.

I do not drink, I swear :D
@Lizzie - good point about how the family dynamic, to avoid precipitating a crisis with a child with genetic/neurological `issues', may facilitate the very effect they're hoping to avoid.

I recall a family/neighbours' party where there was a kid who was stated to have ADD set off by fizzy pop. Yet they failed to supervise him and he got at the Coca Cola.

He ran rings around the parents, was an absolute brat to everybody, and I think he had been facilitated by them, especially when they used the drink to excuse his behaviour. In effect, they'd given him permission to behave like that, and he made the most of it.

Nature and nurture go in circles with each other.
LavenderLady said…
Telegram:

https://skippyv20.tumblr.com/post/625536919947935744 Link from @Hikari. STOP.
Cake is hilarious! Got that sorted. STOP. Gavapantin hang over this morning. Am better. STOP.
lucy said…
Since we are talking about Skippy. Will one of you be so kind as to explain to me what the riddles are on her site. I realize they are "for entertainment purposes only" but who sends them in and is it always the same person interpreting them?

@WBBM I read your above post and crossed my legs, totally at the thigh :(
Granted I am at home alone on my couch but definitely will now have awareness when roaming and crossing in the streets :/

Really quick here is my brush with poop drops. When I was going on my trip my sister insisted they were a must. She even emerged from drug store with surprise bottle for me. I rolled my eyes and tucked them into my bag. I never used them and by the end of trip had forgotten about them.

So I am on my way home and declare no liquids. I then get flagged and have to move into another lane. This is after 9 hour flight where I have just moments to make my connection. I am having internal panic attack as TSA is rifling through and emptying contents of my bag. It was then in far reaches of bag in tiny zippered pocket she pulls out my lil bottle of floral laced poopapouri or whatever they call it LOL I was MORTIFIED . I can laugh now but I really wanted to throw it onto my sister's lawn on way home. The end :)
SwampWoman said…
Puds said...
The Queen is giving such a welcome wave in her birthday greetings to Megan, wonder if it was a kind of "your welcome" for removing HRH (why do I Keep wanting to write HRT) from Megans Royal credentials, and thus setting her free. Megan must be growling by now.


I read Megan's "HRH" as Harry's Royal Hemorrhoid.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Fairy, the reason that the two animals were different to each other was because of epigenetics.

There's a famous picture of a cloned cat and the original. They don't look anything alike. The reason is that they didn't experience identical conditions in the womb when developing so certain genes were turned off or on.

You can do this with humans after they are born. For example, if you have your genetic profile done and find that you have a certain mutation that won't allow you to process some food properly, you can take supplements, avoid the food or ingest something further down the processing chain which will allow you to avoid the consequences of not being able to process the food.

The best example are people who have ADHD or ADD and who can really change their conditions by supplementation with vitamins and avoiding certain types of food.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1290754383748239360

Catherine gets 19 British brands and retailers to donate 10,000 baby items for a baby bank. Good job!
Anyone can send riddles in to Skippy.

I sent in 3 that I completely made up and she published and it was truly hilarious watching people come up with explanations. On the third one, I added in about a flux capicator to see if anyone would catch on, which a few did. Everyone had a good laugh, including skippy who thought it was funny that she had been had.


Emme21 said…
Did anyone notice if any of Meghan’s “friends” posted birthday wishes for her? I couldn’t find any other than Scobie and Lainey. What I did think was very interesting- it’s also Abigail Spencer’s birthday today, as is Vienna Pharaon’s. Abigail posted several gushing tributes to Vienna in her Instagram stories today. No mention of Meghan.
SwampWoman said…
xxxxx said...
@KCM1212

I am not going to look up the statistics. You who are interested can do this. A few thousand white people were lynched in the South extending on up to Indiana. Indiana was a 1920s stronghold of Klan -KKK. And they had it in for Catholics too


Summary - Criminal whites got lynched too in ye ol South. Hanged in Frontier Justice


I almost spit out my coffee when I was reading about blacks getting lynched as if they were the only ones. There were a lot of white folks that got lynched, too; some were probably innocent, a lot weren't. There weren't laws against beating children or wives back then; when the law couldn't (or wouldn't) do anything, the friendly neighborhood lynch mob/male citizens might pay a little visit to the miscreant's house and read to him from the Good Book and help him see the error of his ways. Perhaps he would recall a pressing engagement in another county and leave never to return, particularly if he had been warned before.

SSS (shoot, shovel, and shut up) isn't a new concept. The folks that want to disband the police apparently think it will be a happy fairyland of free stuff and that they will be able to break into people's businesses and houses and help themselves to whatever they want whenever they want. I don't think that it is going to work out for them like they think it will.
lucy said…
@Sugar thank you for reply! I was under impression they were sent in by palace insider and a single super sleuth solved them. LOL now they seem more whimsical and fun as before I was like what the heck . Some are quite the stretch. Thanks again
SirStinxAlot said…
Just saw a headline on yahoo that said "MM gave Kate a sweet gift when they met" anyone know what it was or just click bait? I just refuse to be bombarded with what is clearly sugar PR at work trying to improve the divas disastrous reputation.
lucy said…
@stinx I know this one! It was a journal!
lucy said…
puds beat me :(

I got suckered into headline too but I refuse to click on todays "never before seen photo" of Meg at that bakery, from a year ago I am sure 🙄

Blogger SwampWoman said...
Puds said...
The Queen is giving such a welcome wave in her birthday greetings to Megan, wonder if it was a kind of "your welcome" for removing HRH

I read it as the Queen saying”Bye Felicia!!”
KCM1212 said…
Just saw another nickname. Did we get "Cash" and Trash"?

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