The previous post was getting a bit long, so here's a new post to continue to discuss the Sussex situation.
I am sorry for my absence; duty calls.
Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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I wonder why the judge went ahead with the delay? Health? Or Harry's green card? Technically Harry has nothing to do with the case, so must be the health issue with the claimant.
As much as i dislike Megsy I wouldn't wish a serious heath problem on her.
I've been following the saga of MM's legal battle with the MoS, and here is her position on Finding Freedom:
1. i did not cooperate with the authors o that trashy book which is full of lies and fabrications.
2. If Omid Scobie says otherwise, he's a liar.
3. Define "cooperate".
4. Well, maybe I did give a third party information to pass on to Scobie, but that's not cooperation.
5. I had to pass on that information to contradict my father's claim that I abandoned him.
6. If I didn't speak to Scobie directly, I didn't cooperate.
7. Emails and text messages don't count and no, you may not see mine, even if the judge did order me to hand them over.
8. Well, maybe I cooperated a little bit. Just a tiny little bit.
I know we've established that Harry is a petulant, bitter man but how does he go along with all of Meghan's sh*t? He must believe that the public 'deserve' such treament.
I was watching a little blurb of some of Diana's documentaries and there was one part where Diana had gotten into her car and there were 3 photographers with their lenses actually touching Diana's window, just flashing like crazy as she is trying to pull out of her parking space. Can you imagine that? I mean, that would be hell. Remember when Harry said he hates every shutter and click of a camera that he hears. But he's willing to overlook it to go along with his wife's plans.
I just can't decide Harry's complete culpability. But my mom used to say, "By their actions, you shall know them". So....that's it.
For anything else Harry has to compete with real USA celebrities who can actually do it better and do not look like orphans lost in the storm while doing it.
Ah, I forgot his own lawsuits against the press. Litigations he does have.
Had a long talk re COVID-19 with former daughter in law. My 19-year-old granddaughter has it and former daughter is devastated because she can't go care for her due to her own autoimmune disorder which puts her at high risk.
Her oldest son is in his second quarantine from school (which expires today) because of the coronavirus, despite sitting next to the kid that popped positive in class. She had a long talk with the County Health Department (she works closely with them) and found that the kids in the same classroom, who are masked at all times, are not the ones catching the virus. The kids that have eaten lunch near the positive kids are the ones that are testing positive. The schools are trying to mitigate this by having half the kids eat lunch outside and keeping the cafeteria doors open for ventilation.
I have no idea what could be done for the children in colder climates.
I'm replying to your comment on the other thread.
1). I think Archie exists. 2). I think he was born of surrogacy. 3). I think he has been placed in the care of a responsible family and can be trotted out (Duck Rabbit, SA).
2). we've seen a baby in several pictures. With HM, christening, SA, Christmas card, pictures in Canada (pap walk in forest, and with Harry--only picture of baby with just harry) , playing with Doria. Maybe its Archie, maybe its a stunt baby. One thing for sure is the baby in the pictures is real. Doesn't appear to know or have a relationship with either MeGain or Handbag but a real baby none the less.
I'm with you partially here. I think there's a good possibility (though I am not 100% certain) that Meg obtained a baby as a product of a surrogate pregnancy, or an adoption of a newborn whose mother was pregnant the same time Meg was 'pregnant'.
Obviously producing a Windsor heir with breathless rapidity was required for her plans of global domination. I don't believe she was willing (or possible not able) to bear a(nother) child herself. But she coveted the attention she knew Catherine and Diana received when they were pregnant and wanted more narc fuel since her shine as the newest Windsor bride was rapidly wearing off. If Meg is in fact several years older than she admits to (I am agnostic about this, but her skin certainly looks like someone who is in her forties--I'm older than Meg and I look a lot younger but she's had more mileage than me) it's pretty amazing that she conceived within what, 8 weeks of her wedding and had an effortless pregnancy at a medically geriatric age (though M would spit nails if referred to as geriatric.) She paid a solo visit to Toronto within weeks of the wedding, which was odd. The stated purpose was to see 'friends', of which she has so very many, it's a wonder more of them weren't at her wedding. But she had just seen a number of North American friends just a month or so prior. This fertility clinic rumor is admittedly rumor, along with the yachting. She didn't want children with Trevor, so why would she harvest her eggs almost immediately after getting divorced, while still chasing that elusive stardom? It had occurred to me that she had plans to sell her eggs, which apparently isn't illegal, and it would fit in with her MO of commoditizing everything else about herself.
Then Harry blundered into her life and plans were changed and escalated several notches. Harry did not appear based on hearsay evidence, to be fully behind the idea of this pregnancy or even aware he was in any way involved. That leaves Markus Anderson as a handy collaborator who was sure to keep schtum . . only, the baby(ies) we have seen don't look too much like either Meg, nor Markus. A tiny bit like Harry in certain views, and I had thought Thomas Markle, with the newborn, but only because I *wanted* to see that, I think.
Then, of course, there were the dolls. How many of those have there been? 2? Or 3? I never thought Presentation Archie looked like the online pictures of 'Darren Doll'. This one looked like Tom Markle to me. Harry and Meg adopting and loving a surrogate baby isn't the issue for me, never has been . .it's the subterfuge, which makes it impossible for me to trust that *anything* we have been told or shown about this child or their marriage is the truth.
If there is a child that was brought into the world through some impetus of Meg's (I think we can rule out natural childbirth, but Meg does have her defenders as Archie's birth mother) then I can only hope he is being raised in love and care and far, far away from the two stains who call themselves 'his parents'. Both are unfit. Harry because he's an immature junkie and Meg because she has less maternal instinct than a Great White shark, and a propensity for violent tempers and language that would embarrass sailors in Her Majesty's navy. Samantha Markle said that Meg should never be left alone with small children. That makes me wonder what might have gone down years ago in that family. Did Meg hurt other children? If there is a teenage pregnancy in her past, was the baby removed from her custody for reasons other than the inconvenience of being an aspiring starlet who didn't want to be tied down by motherhood?
I feel like I have to reassure myself that Archie is either a construct or else he has been removed to someone else's safe hands, or else I don't sleep at night. There seems to be a level of rather breezy unconcern on the part of BP and authority figures in general about the whereabouts and safety of Archie. I think BP can afford to be blase if there isn't a real child in their custody. The baby actors who have portrayed Archie only spend the length of a photo op with her. She has not shown any images of Archie for over six months, nearly seven months, since Mother's Day. I am not counting the early 1980s fuzzy snapshot of her and Doria in a driveway as a genuine Archie sighting. She never tried to sue the German mag for invading her privacy that way . . and why was a lone German magazine the only publication to get that picture?
Can you imagine how that would have gone?
Yo! H, s'up?
Q here. News for ya.
You out. E and J taking over your place. Tata!
While we don't know if the birth was registered, it's not really true Archie isn't a citizen without registration. IF Archie is her natural child, he acquired US citizenship at birth automatically. While a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) can be needed to acquire a US passport, it does not confer citizenship. US citizenship is automatic as long as the US citizen parent lived in the US for 5 years of her life before giving birth with 2 of those years after age 14. So M qualifies.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html
However, the rub is, for a US parent to confer citizenship automatically, the child must be genetically hers or gestationally hers AND she must have been considered the child's parent at the time of the birth according to local laws. (See above link.)
IF there was a surrogate who used M's eggs, all is well with that requirement. But if the baby isn't M's genetically OR was born in the UK where he wasn't considered M&H's until adopted weeks later, there's a potential issue re: automatic citizenship. At least that's my read of the law and the State Dept info.
I mention this, because Harry comes up in the conversation between Trudeau and fake Greta. One thing is clear from the conversation: Trudeau was very involved with the Harkles stay in Canada an expresses a wish to be buddies with Harry if Harry accepts.
At about 8:00 into the video, Trudeau tells fake Greta that Canadians are very fond of Harry and that Trudeau "leads the way" in this fondness. Curiously, he than states that "Harry is in a difficult situation with his family".
I presume that difficult situation had to do with the family not happy with Harry's decision to decamp to Canada ... or did they decamp because they were having problems with the family?
Trudeau also mentions their problem with the media.. and the fact that the only interest of the Harkles is to do what is best for Archway.
(A little bit difficult to get through because of Trudeau's stutter)
"I know we've established that Harry is a petulant, bitter man but how does he go along with all of Meghan's sh*t?"
Well he grew up in a marriage that was pretty tempestuous; she is promising him independence, or whatever she was promising when they were riding away from the Mountbatten concert and lipreaders said he said with a sad expression "that's it, i am finished" and she with her angry face was saying No! We can do it!
if he complains or leaves that means everyone else was right.
Nobody else cared enough, wanted to get sued enough,or would pay enough.
Isnt that the mag that apologized and paid her attorney fees when she sued them? Because i thought she did sue.
Here it is:
https://thepostmillennial.com/trudeau-pranked-by-russian-pretending-to-be-greta-thunberg
In my earlier post, I go into detail about how this is relevant to the Harkles.
HM- 'arry 'arry 'arry....My lost Los Angeles grandchild 'arry. What a red haired joy you used to be. Do they actually eat turkeys there for Thanksgiving. How barbaric. Here we shoot what we eat. So how is it going in the new mansion you bought from the Russians?
H--- All is going well. Looks like another baby is on the way. Meanwhile I am hard at work studying for my American helicopter license. There is lots of work on the off shore oil rigs.
HM-- Sounds delightful my dear. Can you put Archie on the screen so I can have a word or two with with my great grandchild. He must be so big now and walking and talking.
H-- I am so sorry granny. Megs took him out for a stroll and then some playtime with others.
H--- btw I am so glad you called. We are short on this month's mortgage payment to the Russian leg breakers. Your grandson might never play football or rugby again. You must have a few millions lying around that you can lend us until our Netflix payment arrives.
GREY MAN GRABS THE LAPTOP AND YELLS---- You are disturbing the Queen's sleeping corgis. Don't call us this year, next year, and any year. LAPTOP gets slammed shut
HM-- It must be five o'clock somewhere. Make my gin a double today and thanks for dealing with my unpleasant grandson. At least William and Kate are working out fine, plus giving three delightful great grandchildren. Did you see them all talking with David Attenborough? Plus I have great plans for the lovely York girls.
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" She paid a solo visit to Toronto within weeks of the wedding, which was odd. "
I found that very odd too. At the time I said "she's gone to a fertility clinic. She's getting pregnant without him (unless he made an earlier deposit). I absolutely KNEW she'd have a baby within a year, no matter what, to secure a lifetime of wealth and prestige. Its a plan that has been around forever and employed by all classes (from the school girl to Misha to Katheraine McPhee to...).
I really believe there is some kind of baby somewhere because there is no way you could keep the charade up while trying to be a global celebrity. Sooner or later its going to come out. my guess is there is a minder for the baby.
For the record I really don't think its named Archie Harrison. I think the baby has a much more appropriate royal name or heck even just a more trendy name like Austin or Brooklyn or whatever. But there has to be a baby because you just can't keep this tosh up forever and its very apparent that she is not getting a big payout from BRF. In fact she got Harry, the zonk prize.
Thanks for the point by point. I agree. The one thing I don't think she counted on was the MOS holding tight. Unless the summary judgement is in her favor then the case goes on. Even if MOS loses in the end they have made many multiples of £ over what this lawsuit cost them by increased clicks and readership. MeGain gave them a golden goose that lays the golden eggs.
If she withdraws or loses, then she is responsible for BOTH sides legal bills. Thats a lot of £ and I don't think the BRF will be paying it if taking FC away is any indication of The Harkles exile from all things Royal.
Would this be possible? I mean, there's night vision and heat seeking devices used for all sorts of things. Would be cool to do a reveal on her.
Re Archie, I tend to agree with MustySyphone. Archie has been discussed ad nauseam but although I agree MM may have been been carrying a doll when strolling in the woods on Vancouver Island, the other times I believe she had a live baby, and I have studied a lot of the photos.
Re Christmas card Archie and rabbit duck Archie, I've just looked at photos of both and Archie looks the same. If you look at the eyes and the ears, they're the same. On the Christmas card, he looks a bit funny because he's crawling so lying on his stomach and with his head raised but otherwise it's the same baby. It's late now here and I can't be bothered to find more photos now.
Christmas card photo:
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18120547.meghan-markle-prince-harry-release-christmas-card-baby-archie/
Birthday photo (scroll down):
https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-made-archies-first-birthday-cake-and-his-two-best-friends-were-there/
I realise that opinions re Archie will differ, i.e. surrogate/no surrogate, doll/live baby, never existed etc. because in actual fact we know next to nothing. I hope I haven't offended Nutties who don't share my view. We can discuss/ speculate/ assume/ theorise etc but, like most things about H&M, facts re Archie are few and far between hence the difficulty to get at the truth.
What Ever Happened to Baby Vain
I’ve written a letter to Daddy
In the hope that you’ll probably share
I’ve written “Dear Daddy” to spite you
To tell you I really don’t care
I’ve written a letter to Daddy
Saying “I’ll sue you”
It's not any anniversary that I can think of so why the sudden interest? Have the broadcasters got a subtext? Are we being prepared for something?
Perhaps MeGain wove a tail about how upsetting it would be to the Queen to ruin her platinum jubilee, TTC, other Royal events next year (there are quite a few, Covid willing).
She may have also had knowledge of say PPs health and .....
Birthday photo? Come again? There's no pic of the dogs (and they're not saying anything!) Not even a photo of the cake, just that duck-rabbit video....
2 TV programmes on the downfall of A. Boleyn this evening (BBC5 & Channel 5).
It's not any anniversary that I can think of so why the sudden interest? Have the broadcasters got a subtext? Are we being prepared for something?
With her head tucked underneath her arms she walks the midnight hour
With her head tucked underneath her arm she walks the bloody tower, With her head tucked underneath her arm at the midnight hour. She comes to haunt King Henry. She means giving him what for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQErY55m8vo&feature=emb_logo
As an aside, my surgery is scheduled for 3 weeks from now.
I am a long time lurker. Am grateful for the endless hours of entertainment provided me by very intelligent posters here. Great generosity of spirit always evident in the offerings. Nutty is to be commended, along with the moderators, for keeping the conversation on the rails without unduly restricting commenters.
I live in Texas, am 62 yo female in very good health, and I fell ill with Covid the middle of July. To reassure those in similar physical circumstances, the course of my illness was not in the least catastrophic. I did run fever off and on for about 14 days, suffered terribly with body aches and headaches, experienced profound fatigue and lost smell/taste mid course. Deficit of olfaction lasted a good two weeks. Taste came back within a week. I never experienced any upper respiratory symptoms: nary a cough, sneeze, sniffle or sore throat. I took quercetin, zinc, vitD3, vitC and reishi mushrooms.
Want to offer encouragement to @tatty re hip arthroplasty. I had it 4 years ago. My hip had been problematic since my mid forties, mostly from running and equestrian activities. Many cortisone injections and a labral repair preceded my offering myself up for replacement! It was a piece of cake surgery. Physical therapy team visited me in recovery after surgery and had me walk on a cane and go up a set of stairs. I could have gone home same day if I had a ride! My particular anatomical issue made postero-lateral approach necessary, but you might be a candidate for an anterior replacement which does not require any muscle dissection. I recommend shopping for a surgeon that does hip replacements day and night. I went to the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan (family live up the road in CT), a facility that does more hip and knee replacements than anywhere in the world and has the lowest infection rate on the planet as well.
Rehab was a snap. Only needed tramadol for pain the first 3 days post op. Walked with a cane for about 7 days, then threw it away. Had been on a walker for 6 weeks prior to surgery on 2400 mg ibuprofen and too much Vicodin to fess up to here.
Best of luck to you @ tatty. You will welcome having your life back.
Best to @swampwoman and family as you all negotiate the Covid.
Be not afraid.
I seem to remember a blind or bit of gossip about someone or something would reveal that one Royal marriage was not what it appeared to be (implied unhappy/cheating/for appearances only) and that one member of the BRF had serious health issues.
Might the postponment be someone's health other than MeGain? Above I speculated PP. PP actually makes a lot of sense. Perhaps she knows he does not have much time left (not speculating as he is 99 but knows he has an illness) or possibly (heaven forbid) HM?
It was written, IIRC, to make one think the Cambs marriage was in trouble but I wondered if it was that PC and Cam are living pretty much apart and are together now for appearances? I mean really how would it look if they divorced or separated after all that happened?
MeGain would know, through Harry, if any of this was the case.
@Hikari and @Sally1975. Any ideas on where I saw this or insight into what could be implied? TIA.
I don't think a thermal scan would reveal a fetus. But if her advanced bump was padding, it wouldn't scan "hot" like her body/torso.
I am of the belief that he felt coerced into the marriage, afraid to tell the truth (what ever it really was) to his father (and maybe his grandmother/grandfather and ... his perfect older brother who does everything just right making following him "difficult"), may have tried to give it his best go and then now? can't see the exits.
Interesting points all around.
My question to you:
If, she really is thinking of leaving him for her next "relationship", who do you think it is? and why would her reputation be ignored?
I swear that until the advent of the Moon bump Mountbatten Windsor pregnancy, I was never a member of the tin hat club. I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, albeit recruited by the Russians to do the deed.
After consideration, I think the most likely scenario is that once she had the ring on her finger, she went to that fertility clinic in Toronto, and got the ball rolling on a surrogate. She may have used her own eggs, but I am agnostic about this. I think egg harvesting is very painful, and requires the candidate to take several rounds of painful injections that bloats her up to prepare the ovaries for harvesting. At the time she was projected to have done this, she would have been single and getting established on Suits. Harry was several years into the future. She had refused to have a baby with Trevor, so it seems like an odd time to have had this done, but whatever. It’s also equally likely from my point of you that she could have selected two stranger donors out of a catalog to make a baby to spec. The baby does have brown eyes, at least the one we’ve seen, but I’m hard-pressed to see Harry’s involvement here. He was on Royal business when she went to Canada, and for him to have made an earlier donation, that means that he already would have agreed to make a baby with a woman he had yet to become engaged to. Is this likely? If they needed fertility services, why not visit a clinic in London after they were married? I find it hard to believe that she would not have had the differences in surrogacy laws between the US and the UK explained to her, so it might come down to her arranging a surrogate to give birth in the United States, thereby assuring that a surrogate baby would be legally hers from birth. But he would have to have her DNA in that case. Fast forward to February and the New York Baby shower, during which she mysteriously arrived and left looking pregnant, But seems to have left her fetus in a hotel room when she went out drinking with Markus Anderson. If the surrogate was giving birth that weekend, maybe it was and inspection trip, to see if the baby passed muster. Did she come home with an infant on Amal’s private jet? This was still 2 1/2 months Before Archie is official birthday. Where did Harry’s “they change so much in two weeks” comment come from? Would a newborn have been allowed to fly across the Atlantic that young? Did she ever bring him back to London? Maybe the reason she never registered a baby at the US Embassy is because he was in the United States the whole time. The queen has acknowledged that a baby was born, and he occupies a slot in next succession, but that’s almost all we know. All the rest of it seems to be a tableau which may or may not feature Megan a Harry’s real baby. At least the times we have seen her with a live baby or a baby like object, maternal is certainly not the word I would use. She looks like not only does she not know how to hold or interact with the baby, but that she doesn’t even want to touch him really, and she certainly doesn’t want him touching her and messing up her wig. It’s not normal. You make a good point that no one could sustain a Charade of this magnitude and expect to carry-on with it; I would submit that she isn’t really successfully sustaining this charade, which is why she had to flee England, and why we have not seen Archie for about seven months, or more than a third of his little lifetime. They occasionally remember to mention his name and how fantastic it is being parents, but they offer us zero corroborative proof that day even remember they are supposed to have a baby most of the time.
You make a valid point. But then again Thomas Markle isn't Prince Phillip
Amid Covid, About the only thing I have to look forward to is what the next dumpster fire over in Montecito will bring us. I can say I look very forward to the future biographies of the Sussex pear. A real biography That will endeavor to blow the doors off the facade of the grifter that took the British Royal family for a ride. Meg should be happy; in just two years she’s become as notorious as the Duchess of Windsor. Wallace was the same age as Meg was when she married in. Imagine if Wallis had Resorted to extreme measures to obtain a little prince and try to set up a rival for Elizabeth’s crown? I think on some level, Meg expected to eclipse William and his heirs with her a little scheme and crown herself queen of England. She’s quite barking mad IMO. She’s got the grandiose ambition, but not the skill for long-term intrigue and strategic thinking, hence we see all the wheels coming off the bus in Montecito… Or wherever the hell they are.
@Puds
Sung in Megs shrilling falsetto
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The court will not look kindly on Meghan and her legal team writing in indirect language and obscuficating the truth, thus requiring more explanation....that uncovers her real motive and actual intent. I read that her original lawyer would not have allowed Meghan to do these things. This avoidance tactic can be considered perjury.
Her team is deflecting re:damages and pushing an irrelevant point (focusing on a statement about her trip that is irrelevant to the whole case at hand). She may receive benefits as a Royal, she may not. It doesn't matter why or how in this legal case. It's irrelevant and distracting. AN was making the broader point that Royals get perks. (Side note: can you believe she and Harry had a friend pay for their family vacation? How embarrassing to any normal person! If it was a new-baby holiday, why travel when he was so so young?)
What they are doing is stalling, deflecting, and eventually after months (perhaps years) will attempt force ANL to settle (where they cover ANLs costs). They will continue to introduce and expand on rabbit holes and irrelevant points.
Finding Freedom and People mag becoming exposed are going to do so much damage to her public reputation that she cannot afford to let the case actually go to trial. We are at that point, and neither has been tossed as evidence.
Feel free to correct me Nutties, but I think that's where it stands currently.
Harry sounds a lot like Edward VIII in many ways— bottom line wanted the lifestyle of royalty with not the duty.
Harry and Edward VIII are also different as well. I had a thought that I don’t think HAMS are that much out of “prototypes” of various Windsor relatives. Ya know?
Dawgs and Lizzie, thanks for the comments. It definitely seems my 50s have not treated me well with bone and health issues. Covid is no joke either. I’m glad you had a decent course of it, Dawgs.
If someone can tell the anonymous person of the site I can’t remember who mentioned the idea of infrared scanning of a pregnant belly... that I apologize for calling the idea silly. 😛😛😛😛😛🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Royal house of windsor
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I am an aspiring author, and for years I thought my milieu would be fiction. More recently, I have decided that real people are way more interesting than made up stories, so I feel my real calling and niche is to be a biographer. There are so many more worthy subjects for my time and energy then Meghan Markle. On some level, I can almost feel sorry for her. The Hustlin grifter, with her nose pressed against the glass, craving a super elite lifestyle that she just does not have the natural ability to pull off. Frankly, girls like her are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. The real mystery and psychic puzzle here is Harry, and why he threw away his birthright and the opportunity to make history in a positive light on such a common article. That is why the saga is fascinating, of royal by birth Being sucked into this tawdry spectacle. Without the connection to him, and the whole history of England, Markle would be just another two bit Hollywood hustler. The only thing that elevates her from a common Hollywood street walker is a sociopathic cast of mind. There might’ve been some hope if Harry had selected for his life partner and Eliza Doolittle type who came from very humble origins, and who was one step removed from the street, but who had an inner quality and desire to be better. It would’ve been an interesting experiment, and she might have learned To become a proper Duchess and be .a credit to both the United States and the royal family. Someone like Fergie, who is very raw and from a commoner family when she joined up. Fergie has been an embarrassment, but I think she and Andrew are real. Despite being divorced, they still live together, and are close to both of their daughters. If Harry and megs connection Was real like that, we could forgive her many gaffes, and feel like she and Harry had a future, After they got this North American sojourn out of their systems. But I don’t think what they have is real. Whether it was converse through blackmail, or very misguided attempt to elevate themselves, At the core I think the Sussex relationship is completely fraudulent. And that’s why they are not going to make it. I think Sarah and Andrew will grow old together despite technically not being married anymore. Their relationship continues, and in their hearts I believe they think themselves still married. Her Majesty forced them to get divorced, But I don’t think it’s stuck. For all purposes, they still regard themselves as married. I don’t know what Harry is involved in, but I don’t think he knows up from down, and this is not a true marriage in any sense of the word. 2021 is going to be very interesting I think.
Fagan and the Queen's conversation is one of the most fascinating, layered exchanges in The Crown. Too bad it didn't happen in real life. In interviews, Fagan denied reports from 1982 claiming that he and the monarch had a 10-minute chat.
"I was thinking what to say and she said 'Get out, get out' and she jumped out of bed," Fagan told the BBC. In 2019, Fagan told The Mirror that the Queen left before they could speak: "She went past me and ran out of the room; her little bare feet running across the floor."
The Queen telephoned to summon the police twice; none arrived in time. Help came in the form of a footman, who stood watch until police arrived. According to Fagan, the footman later poured him a glass of whiskey.
Thinking. He’s going to have many years to regret the hell he has created for himself, unless of course he does himself in with drugs before then. Andrew might be a sleaze, but he knows when to shut up. We have not heard a peep from him since last Christmas. Charles walked with him, so it’s interesting to speculate that he might be feeling a bit closer to his younger brother at the moment Then he does to his traitorous son. Wouldn’t it be a turn up if Charles reinstated Andrews girls to the ranks of working Royals, while disavowing Harry altogether?
Seriously, how much fun Can it be to be Charles right now? To recover from Covid at 70+ years of age and to have your kid acting up like a complete asshole before the world and not even wish you a happy birthday? He might need to cultivate better terms with his younger brothers right now.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them remarry if that is what they want.
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I also think that the timing of The Brooksbanks` moving into to Frog Cot is very telling. As much as The Odious Pair want everyone to think ' they are willing to let it to The Brooksbanks ' we all know they got kicked to the kerb. The Odious Pair does not, in any way, dictate what can be done with Crown holdings. That is up to The Queen. I really think this is the beginning of The Royal Family starting to ' tidy up '. There has obviously been happenings behind the drawing room drapes at Buck Palace, or Windsor.
Just be sure to do your physical therapy religiously. It’s the key to an excellent outcome.
I think we see that the royal family is not prone to introspection or an in-depth study of the past, even when it is to their benefit. Harry is very much like his mother. The same mental instability, diva tendencies, lack of personal achievement or outstanding ability in any sphere. He was overindulged, and not required to develop a strength of character which was expected of William. It’s easy to blame Diana for all of his personal feelings, but she left him when he was 12, so his subsequent failure to develop into a fully Functioning adult human being it’s not her fault alone. He was a little boy when she left him. Should she have indulged him with the King Harry business? No, that did not do him any favors, but it alone is not explanation enough for his failure as a 36-year-old man to make anything out of his life. I think Diane I would be devastated if she were here to see the extent to which Harry seems to hate his family. She herself felt like an outsider, but her boys were royal born, and I think she took pride in that. She may have had her own reasons for hating the royal machine, but she never would have wanted the boys to be estranged. We never expected this to happen. If Harry had married Chelsy or Cressida, It likely wouldn’tve. We can’t bLame Meg alone, though. She was the agent, and she’s completely amoral and self serving. But why was Harry such easy pickings, beyond being stupid and horny? There Has to have been a deep seated hatred of his Royal family For this to have come about, or he would’ve refused to participate in whatever this is. He is the enigma here, not Meg. She is very transparent in her motives. The mystery is why Harry fell for it, or was compelled into this con. This is not just the story of a young couple who was unhappy in the family firm, this is a tragedy of Greek proportions. And it ain’t over yet.
I remember the engagement interview of William and Kate. Like Harry, William was so enthused about carrying the sapphire in his rucksack, whilst staying at his list live, Jessica ( William skipped his cousin Peter’s wedding, plus Easter, to fly to Kenya and attend Jessica’s brother’s wedding! Dump your cousin for an ex-lover’s brothers wedding? And then meeting for five minutes a Kenyan official so the trip was official business and taxpayers paid. William basically was the telling a tale about the engagement, but Kate interrupted and said it was so lovely coming home from Scotland and being engaged. Oops. Like Meghan and Harry messing when they got engaged - Megs at interview said they met one and a half years or two years before, which Harry said “No July. July.”
Harry and his pathetic money-hungry wife (H, we hate your country. After the wedding, we will go against protocol, made big bloopers on purpose, so we will be interesting when we, Prince Henry and Princess Henry, escape to California to make tons of movies since everybody loves us, and we are royals.. we will be the chatty on top of the Hollywood cake, making tons of money. We will be billionaires, and not just $49 to $50 millionaires.)
Would it not be wonderful if Fergie put her foot in her mouth re FauxArchie? She could be doing one of her story time videos and let it slip that the Queen would love to see all of her x number of grandchildren or how ever many real grandchildren exist or set out x number of balloons or teddy bears. Or, that Eug had to redo the Frog Cott as it was not set up for a nursery.
I am sure Fergie and Andrew are keeping themselves in line at all times now--to help ensure that Bea and Eug get pushed up the ladder to land the coveted working royal roles befit real princesses.
I just finished episode 2 of the royal house of Windsor. The story I already know (love or duty) but again, the colorized news reels are completely fascinating to me. I have really enjoyed seeing these I haven’t seen before. Also, in episode 1, they go into the archives at Windsor castle, so that was amazing too. To see the letters in actual handwriting... I get so fascinated by these things.
But I don't know. They are starting all sorts of things, have a shitty brand together, and she needs him to keep getting money from his family (which she probably resents).
I suppose neither of them are in a good position to walk away, and they both still need each other.
I think Meghan will meet someone on a work trip and seduce them in her own creepy way and that's how the exit will begin. She has to have something or one to jump too first.
Having recently re-watched the William-Catherne engagement interview and photo call, I am rather bemused about your description of it. I don't remember Catherine saying she returned from Scotland engaged. They announced their engagement 16 November 2010. Do royals go to Balmoral in the winter? Perhaps they went to Scotland after Kenya to visit friends? They had been at University in Scotland, and they had not been alone on that Kenyan holiday ... they were with friends and only went off on their own to that remote cottage for a couple of days in which time he proposed. As for William meeting a Kenyan official for 5 minutes and then getting taxpayers to pay for the whole trip - first time I have heard this. They have always made it clear it was a private holiday.
@Sally1975
I also wonder about who Meghan's next partner would be. She is never long without one and actively looks for the next while she is dumping the present man in her life. Maybe her pattern will change! As for the man, I agree that he would have to be very wealthy, but Meghan is too over exposed and what billionaire would want to take on such baggage and put up with her? Although, fame and wealth does not always go with common sense and decency. Johnny Depp had two long-term, stable relationships and then ended up with Amber Heard. There are plenty of men in the world with too much money and not much sense.
Love the Tower reference Hikari. As you said the BRF is under no obligation to house traitors and I will add low lifes M.
And poor Ann Boleyn as she walks the bloody Tower. With her head tucked underneath her arms in the midnight hour.
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The Fall of Anne Boleyn review — a right royal stitch-up forensically revealed
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/times2/the-fall-of-anne-boleyn-review-a-right-royal-stitch-up-forensically-revealed-f872ct2q5
https://narcsite.com/2020/04/19/a-not-so-royal-narcissist-part-14-2/
He categorizes her as a mid-level narcissist: 'she does not know what she is, does not see anything wrong with what she does, operates purely by instinct and will not change'.
I agree with your first post here. I do not wish illness or externally imposed suffering on Meghan.
Even if her lies and manipulation are exposed, there will always be those ensnared in her spider web who will believe and promote her narratives (whatever it is this week) so I think the soap opera will continue.
'Someone like Fergie, who is very raw and from a commoner family when she joined '
This was I agree with you a belief at the time of the marriage but looking up I discovered
'Sarah Ferguson's ancestry is not so common as we believe '
Ancestry of
Sarah Ferguson
Duchess of York
Famous Kin of Sarah FergusonFamily Tree (Family Group)Family Tree (Pedigree)Family Tree (Ahnentafel)Family Tree (Surname Index)
Who is Sarah Ferguson?
Often referred to simply as “Fergie,” Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, is the former wife of Prince Andrew, Duke of York and son of Queen Elizabeth II. She is an author, public speaker, film producer, television personality, and philanthropist. Sarah Ferguson divorced Prince Andrew in 1996 and is no longer a Royal Highness. However she does retain the title of Duchess of York, a privilege that she would also lose should she remarry.
Famous Kin
Although Sarah Ferguson became the Duchess of York when she married Prince Andrew, she has no shortage of royal ancestors and cousins in her own family tree. She is a direct descendant of King Edward I, King Henry VII, and has family connections to King Henry VIII and most of his wives. Sarah Ferguson has a number of kinships to the current royal family including Queen Elizabeth II, Princess Diana, and Catherine Middleton. She also has a family connection to Mayflower passenger Richard More.
Sarah Ferguson’s family tree is littered with leading figures from important events throughout British history. This includes, but is not limited to, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir George Downing, Lt. Gen. James Budenell (led the “Charge of the Light Brigade”), Edmund Waller (English poet and politician), Charles Darwin, Fletcher Christian (leader of the mutineers on the Bounty), and Major John Pitcairn (British commander at the Battle of Lexington).
Sarah Ferguson also has a number of kinships to prominent Americans including Alexander Hamilton, explorer Meriwether Lewis, Twas the Night Before Christmas author Clement Moore, American patriot Patrick Henry, General Douglas MacArthur, author Helen Keller, artist Norman Rockwell, poet Ralph Waldo Emerson, and General Robert E. Lee. Her U.S. Presidential kin include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Zachary Taylor, William Howard Taft, and Benjamin Harrison. Some of her celebrity kin include Olivia De Havilland, Dick Van Dyke, Christopher Reeve, Randolph Scott, Janis Joplin, Chevy Chase, Dick Clark, and countless others.
Back in the early days of microscopy, van Leeuwenhoek (I think it was, the first man to write observe spermatozoa and write it up) was anxious to dispel the notion that he had obtained his sample by what would have been seen then as unacceptable means.
He stressed that he had used `his own marital excesses'.
Perhaps she scooped up some of H's extramarital excesses, once he flopped back asleep?
Or, more likely, toddled off (before the wedding?) to a clinic to use the outcome of a donor being sent into a cubicle with a test tube and a dirty magazine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonie_van_Leeuwenhoek
Birthday photo: that was Archie (for comparison with the Xmas card one).
Come to think of it, have we ever seen a birthday photo of Megsy? e.g., at Balmoral with the cake the Queen baked with her own fair hands? ;)
If there really was a cake, with its solitary candle, wouldn't there have been photo or even video of A being persuaded to blow out the flame? Of course, if she had made the cake I rather think she would have been sure to include it to emphasise her part.
If there really was a cake, with its solitary candle, wouldn't there have been photo or even video of A being persuaded to blow out the flame? Of course, if she had made the cake I rather think she would have been sure to include it to emphasise her part.
The woman is legit insane. I haven’t read the Times piece (no thank you) but she’s still angling to be the relatable mom at home. Just feeding dogs, cleaning up after Archie, and changing a diaper. Yeah, right. Whatever. I’m sorry to say if it’s true that’s very sad, but this woman is insane. Why is she writing about this in the New York Times. Does she want celebs to start reaching out to her publicly? Give her props on Twitter? Is this the new victim narrative she will use?
It’s just too much information. Way too much.
I said `You mean the miscarriage?' and she burst out laughing `Yes!!!'
Jessica asked -`Is this the new victim narrative she will use?'
Yes to that too!
I'm now going to check the papers - between trying to get through to my GP's surgery by phone. Very busy today, I've been trying for over an hour...
I read it.
The whole article is Meghan asking the world ‘Are you Ok?’ After rewriting history of the ‘are you ok?’ interview from South Africa!!! She was a privileged Royal with poverty as her background and she STILL defends it! And is now using it as a slogan!!!
LMAO. I’m sorry, the article is terrible. She’s talking about herself and not the miscarriage. She’s trying to talk on behalf of the entire world. I was right above. She is insane.
Is she ok?
Wow!
This woman is other level. Rewrites history? Check. Victim narrative and story arc? Check. Speaking for the world? Check.
I don’t think I can handle much more Meghan Markle.
She has to be in control of any news about her. She persuades the judge to keep very quiet - than splashes over US papers and so it's broadcast worldwide.
I wonder what the judge thinks now, now she's made a fool of him and all he stands for?
mm had a miscarriage. dramatic story is on the fc
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8985249/Meghan-Markle-reveals-suffered-miscarriage.html
She announced her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding, on that year's baby Loss Awareness Day...
What a Thanksgiving present for the sugars.
A lot of women have miscarriages, and some have many before they actually have a child. It just seems like a horrendous roller coaster ride of emotions to go through that. I have great admiration for woman who deal with miscarriages in privacy with maturity, and do not see the need to publicize the experience unless you are actually going to do something, especially if you are immensely privileged.
Other than write a dramatic article about herself, and use the miscarriage to garner sympathy, what will Meghan actually do with her position and wealth to help other woman?
Excellent point about Justice Warby. I reread the article thinking the second time there is no chance the RF is going to be happy about her using ‘Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’ as the author, while also still condemning them for not asking ‘if she was ok?’ It’s called friends and family, Meghan. Something she doesn’t have, except for Harry which is why she only speaks of him. Her cash cow.
Do you think this is a victim attempt to put her title on dramatic personal essays so it’s harder for them to be stripped? And another thing, why doesn’t she use her given name if she’s so anti-monarchy now? They didn’t ask her if she was ok, and didn’t they know she did not want to work? She was meant to be sitting in a palace being waited on hand and foot.
The whole thing is once again, sadly, contradictory. It’s for attention, and there is no other call to action. It’s about Meghan, last year this year today tomorrow, and making sure Harry pays her bills. The RF probably just found out, and maybe it was a reaction to not knowing William had covid.
I guess she can’t let being Royal go, at all!
i wondered if she called a pro photographer to meet her there or if a friend or relative took them? they seemed weird and and thirsty rather for a sad personal event.
MM must have been annoyed when Chrissy beant her to publicsing her personal tradgey for attention.
this also reminds my of those thirsty drama filled essays that incessantly annoying lena dunham posts about herself..
I’m not sure why this would effect the date of the trial though......but i havent read the article yet
Meghan Markles’ Sociopathy.
Meghan could not relate to Harry during this tragic event, and his heartbreak. She immediately went to the memory of ‘Are you Ok?’ to try to relate to Harry. Meghan doesn’t have feelings and she’s pretty much telling us right there in the article.
I just finished the article. There is nothing in if fo suggest this is why she asked for a delay at trial in 2021.
William and Kate got engaged in Kenya, this is when he proposed. They had discussed marriage before. He then asked Kate's father and the "when I came back from Scotland" is afterwards, after Kenya. There is nothing 'dodgy' in it, unlike the duo's engagement interview & background.
I guess they aren’t getting the book or interview offers they expected this year after leaving the Royal life.
@Sylvia
Thank you for the correct info about Fergie. I didn't agree that she was so 'common'. Her father came from an army family - he was the son of a colonel and his maternal grandfather was Lieutenant-Colonel Lord Herbert Montagu Douglas Scott, son of William Montagu Douglas Scott, 6th Duke of Buccleuch, a direct descendant of Charles II of England, and Lady Louisa Jane Hamilton.
He joined the Life Guards and was later polo manager to Prince Philip and later Prince Charles. Fergie was used to move in royal circles, I seem to remember she even played with Andrew when they were children.
As for Fergie's mother, Susan Barrantes, she was the daughter of FitzHerbert Wright and the Honourable Doreen Wingfield, sister of Mervyn Patrick Wingfield, 9th Viscount Powerscourt. The Wrights can be traced back at least to John Wright alias Camplyon of Stowmarket who made his will in 1557.
Hardly 'common'.
Meghan never wanted to keep all this secret ... she wanted to use it to gain maximum sympathy and turn around her bad image. Also, the speculation about if she is pregnant again keeps her in the headlines.
However, I do think a miscarriage just as they were moving to their Montecito mansion, must have been very difficult to deal with at the time, specially for a dramatic personality like Meghan, who needs attention. Perhaps Harry insisted on privacy and it took months and a new PR mega team to convince him otherwise? Perhaps this is why he was looking so down in the Zoom videos?
I do give her kudos for not publishing this essay at the time Eugenie announced her pregnancy. But, garnering sympathy from Jack and Eugenie may have helped them to broker a subleasing deal with the couple, behind the Queen's back (and saved them from paying for a house they will never use). In private, Eugenie and Jack may give a full explanation to the Queen but I doubt that they would want to go public and be seen to 'pick on' poor Meghan and Harry.
She said she tearfully watched her 'husband's heart break as he tried to hold the shattered pieces of mine'
Ms Markle wrote: 'Hours later, I lay in a hospital bed, holding my husband's hand. I felt the clamminess of his palm and kissed his knuckles, wet from both our tears.
'Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we'd heal'.
This sounds like a (bad) novel, not the emotions of a woman who'd suffered a miscarriage. Personally, I find her turn of phrase really bizarre in this context.
It seems that the only time someone with NPD seeks professional help is when their life unravels and they lose everything. Meghan is living like a very wealthy A-lister in Los Angeles, is world famous, has a husband who opens doors for her, has a royal title ... the life she dreamed of and attained ... so, of course she has said or done nothing wrong.
I do feel like Meghan and Harry are a true match for each other maturity-wise.
Harry’s in America now. Meghan can get away with more. She’ll just tell him we all publish articles like this, and share our private lives with the world at large and step on our platforms and preach to the masses...
He’s probably coloring somewhere right now anyway, not even paying attention.
She doesn't go into details so we've no idea what sort of sequelae she may have, why the mis. occured or how long she expects to take to get over it. If she'd had a hysterectomy, 12 weeks is expected length of sick leave in UK, whether one feels up to it or not (I was pressured to go back although my job involved setting up for meetings & furniture moving on my own. Others just have to start working asap - on a farm one might be expected to being doing heavy lifting long before that, I imagine.)
9 months sounds significant but she may have missed her opportunity for a trial between say, February and late summer? When law terms are taken into account, along with the usual waiting time - to say nothing of the reported even greater backlog of cases thanks to the virus, perhaps a September date is not unreasonable.
If there is a `compelling medical reason' might it be that she is booked in for a hysterectomy? Or is that not enough to explain it?
As for Meghan’s personal reasons for the delay, I don’t know.
I remember when my father died suddenly and unexpectedly, one woman who worked for the same company but I hardly knew, sat herself down in my office and then insisted that there must be something she could do. It was awful. I felt bad and ungracious because I did not have something to give her to do. I just wanted to finish up my to do list and get home and be with my family.
Perhaps it would be better to promote organizations that help people who need emotional assistance but are not getting it? There would be many reasons for that, and perhaps a campaign about that would be useful?
I saw no organizations listed in the article.
The last thing I want is to live in a world where I am accosted by people asking if I am ok, but perhaps I am unique in that!
I'm suspicious of that awful prose. Is that really what bereaved mothers might say when trying to express what they feel? I find it hard to believe they resort to the sort of language a very bad romantic novelist would use.
Is it what she imagines the emotions of losing baby to feel like?
I've never been in that position but my guess would include grief for the child and for loss of the imagined future, as well as perhaps guilt and anger, raging at the `unfairness' of it.
I stand corrected.. Sarah’s lineage was not common. Just her behavior, and that’s what stuck in my mind. Elizabeth is so horse mad, and I think to this day is most happy and comfortable around horse people. I remember thinking at the time that Sarah’s father was essentially a servant of the Queen, And his daughter didn’t seem like quite grand enough a match for ER’s alleged favorite son. It has been rumored that Diana actually preferred Andrew, who was only a year older than she, And those two had also been acquainted since childhood. So when Fergie blew onto the scene, 5 years into Diana’s marriage, a marriage that was essentially already over, Di’s feelings toward her new sister-in-law had to be complicated. They were friends at the start… Conspirators in that madcap episode that involved smacking a Bobby with an umbrella, what is it? That little adventure got them both chastised by the queen. But it must’ve hurt Diana like hell to see this jolly happy newlywed join the Firm When her own marriage was so miserable. The press were always setting the two up in competition, taking turns with the insults. “Diana is so neurotic; why can’t she be more like jolly Sarah who’s always laughing and doesn’t have food issues?” Only to turn around the next day and print “Sarah, Duchess of Pork, With the terrible clothes...Why can’t she be more like svelte Diana who dresses so well?” The same year that Sarah joined the family, Di began her first affair with Hewitt, her riding instructor. 1986 appears to have been the Year of the Horse. For as different as Sarah and Di were, They had important things in common: both had husbands who were largely absent, and both or outsiders to the palace machine who felt that it had chewed them up and spit them out. Apparently they both resent it the way was given more of a soft landing and what they viewed as more guidance and leeway than they got. I don’t know how fair that is; Sophie was more mature, with an education and a career before joining the Firm, and she had dated Edward for some time. As the last born, Edward was relatively low profile, and didn’t get the gigantic a wedding or title of his brothers. I guess he will get his reward when he becomes Duke of Edinburgh. That will make Sophie Duchess of Edinburgh, the title currently held by the Queen. I guess we can tell who are the favorites now.
Sarah and Andrew were obviously a good match, and it was surprising they didn’t last the course. It’s kind of ironic that Andrew is notorious now four having sex with teenage girls, when rumor had it that Fergie once paid a surprise visit to her husband’s ship And gave both of them a nasty surprise when she walked in on him in flagrante delicto with a shipmate, and fled in tears. That was the persistent rumor. Later, when of the infamous toe sucking pictures appeared, I thought to myself, “hardly surprising with what she’s had to put up with.“ Still, stupid to be so careless. I do hope Philip will find it in himself to forgive Fergie before he passes away. In light of what Andrew is accused of, Sarahis indiscretions really aren’t that bad. I
The timing of her opinion piece is either extremely coincidental or a blatant attention grab.
OPINION
MEGHAN, THE DUCHESS
OF SUSSEX
The Losses We Share
Perhaps the path to healing begins with three simple words: Are you OK?
By Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex
The writer is a mother, feminist and advocate.
Nov. 25, 2020, 3:13 a.m. ET
It was a July morning that began as ordinarily as any other day: Make breakfast. Feed the dogs. Take vitamins. Find that missing sock. Pick up the rogue crayon that rolled under the table. Throw my hair in a ponytail before getting my son from his crib.
After changing his diaper, I felt a sharp cramp. I dropped to the floor with him in my arms, humming a lullaby to keep us both calm, the cheerful tune a stark contrast to my sense that something was not right.
I knew, as I clutched my firstborn child, that I was losing my second.
Hours later, I lay in a hospital bed, holding my husband’s hand. I felt the clamminess of his palm and kissed his knuckles, wet from both our tears. Staring at the cold white walls, my eyes glazed over. I tried to imagine how we’d heal.
I recalled a moment last year when Harry and I were finishing up a long tour in South Africa. I was exhausted. I was breastfeeding our infant son, and I was trying to keep a brave face in the very public eye.
“Are you OK?” a journalist asked me. I answered him honestly, not knowing that what I said would resonate with so many — new moms and older ones, and anyone who had, in their own way, been silently suffering. My off-the-cuff reply seemed to give people permission to speak their truth. But it wasn’t responding honestly that helped me most, it was the question itself.
“Thank you for asking,” I said. “Not many people have asked if I’m OK.”
Sitting in a hospital bed, watching my husband’s heart break as he tried to hold the shattered pieces of mine, I realized that the only way to begin to heal is to first ask, “Are you OK?”
Are we? This year has brought so many of us to our breaking points. Loss and pain have plagued every one of us in 2020, in moments both fraught and debilitating. We’ve heard all the stories: A woman starts her day, as normal as any other, but then receives a call that she’s lost her elderly mother to Covid-19. A man wakes feeling fine, maybe a little sluggish, but nothing out of the ordinary. He tests positive for the coronavirus and within weeks, he — like hundreds of thousands of others — has died.
A young woman named Breonna Taylor goes to sleep, just as she’s done every night before, but she doesn’t live to see the morning because a police raid turns horribly wrong. George Floyd leaves a convenience store, not realizing he will take his last breath under the weight of someone’s knee, and in his final moments, calls out for his mom. Peaceful protests become violent. Health rapidly shifts to sickness. In places where there was once community, there is now division.
On top of all of this, it seems we no longer agree on what is true. We aren’t just fighting over our opinions of facts; we are polarized over whether the fact is, in fact, a fact. We are at odds over whether science is real. We are at odds over whether an election has been won or lost. We are at odds over the value of compromise.
That polarization, coupled with the social isolation required to fight this pandemic, has left us feeling more alone than ever.
When I was in my late teens, I sat in the back of a taxi zipping through the busyness and bustle of Manhattan. I looked out the window and saw a woman on her phone in a flood of tears. She was standing on the sidewalk, living out a private moment very publicly. At the time, the city was new to me, and I asked the driver if we should stop to see if the woman needed help.
He explained that New Yorkers live out their personal lives in public spaces. “We love in the city, we cry in the street, our emotions and stories there for anybody to see,” I remember him telling me. “Don’t worry, somebody on that corner will ask her if she’s OK.”
Now, all these years later, in isolation and lockdown, grieving the loss of a child, the loss of my country’s shared belief in what’s true, I think of that woman in New York. What if no one stopped? What if no one saw her suffering? What if no one helped?
I wish I could go back and ask my cabdriver to pull over. This, I realize, is the danger of siloed living — where moments sad, scary or sacrosanct are all lived out alone. There is no one stopping to ask, “Are you OK?”
Losing a child means carrying an almost unbearable grief, experienced by many but talked about by few. In the pain of our loss, my husband and I discovered that in a room of 100 women, 10 to 20 of them will have suffered from miscarriage. Yet despite the staggering commonality of this pain, the conversation remains taboo, riddled with (unwarranted) shame, and perpetuating a cycle of solitary mourning.
Some have bravely shared their stories; they have opened the door, knowing that when one person speaks truth, it gives license for all of us to do the same. We have learned that when people ask how any of us are doing, and when they really listen to the answer, with an open heart and mind, the load of grief often becomes lighter — for all of us. In being invited to share our pain, together we take the first steps toward healing.
So this Thanksgiving, as we plan for a holiday unlike any before — many of us separated from our loved ones, alone, sick, scared, divided and perhaps struggling to find something, anything, to be grateful for — let us commit to asking others, “Are you OK?” As much as we may disagree, as physically distanced as we may be, the truth is that we are more connected than ever because of all we have individually and collectively endured this year.
We are adjusting to a new normal where faces are concealed by masks, but it’s forcing us to look into one another’s eyes — sometimes filled with warmth, other times with tears. For the first time, in a long time, as human beings, we are really seeing one another.
Are we OK?
We will be.
Link to Rache's Opinion Piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/opinion/meghan-markle-miscarriage.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20201125&instance_id=24450&nl=opinion-today®i_id=56030748&segment_id=45385&te=1&user_id=a58e5cf9aa3e47c158b67429edd97680
W & K received a lot of sympathetic press for the loss of their beloved dog, Lupo, and now MM comes out with the equivalent of "They only lost a dog, I lost a baby!". No, too much of a coincidence, to my mind.
Perhaps I'm totally wrong but I would be interested to know which hospital/clinic attended to her, if any exists.
The timing of her opinion piece is either extremely coincidental or a blatant attention grab.
I’ve been out all morning and I’ve just seen the news. I agree with your sentiments. I’ve just discussed it with my Mum. Why is she bringing this up now? It happened in July but we get a whole article of the events! Who does that? What parent or parent would make such an over the top detailed article about it and bring in lots of over events that do not relate !? I’m totally gobsmacked.
A simple short statement closer to the time would have been appropriate, but most importantly it would have come across as sincere.
I agree and said much the same above.
What a cliche! The same level as `It was a dark and stormy night..."
The comments so far in the Express are far less sympathetic to her - widely seen as an attention seeker.
As one person asked, how come she didn't tell us she was pregnant before the event? After all, she didn't wait last time.
Funny how we speculated that she might have miscarried, then we dismissed the idea because we reckoned she'd have told us long ago.
I wonder what the good judge thinks about her making a fool of him?
"A simple short statement closer to the time would have been appropriate, but most importantly it would have come across as sincere."
Exactly this!
Her article is completely OTT.
Why isn't she complaining about the lack of `privacy' that would entail, in with the common herd.
"Did she really have to endure something like a Nightingale ward with dozens of others? (That's the term for a huge single ward with beds lined up against the walls, as at Scutari, not with alcoves or smaller units?)
Why isn't she complaining about the lack of `privacy' that would entail, in with the common herd."
NO! She's obviously done a little research on the subject.
She said: "This woman has nothing better to do but doesn't want to stop getting attention!"
Now excuse me. I'm off to find it . . .
1. Meg lies.
2. Meg copies everything. Which high profile celebrity and Instagram influencer recently gained tons of attention for posting her pregnancy loss journey in prose and photos?
3. Meg’s Narc fuel supply is running low. Those offers befitting a glamorous Montecito A-list celebrity such as herself are just not coming in. Netflix has gone ominously quiet. So have Oprah and all the rest of the celebrities who piped up for her before because their joint PR companies made a deal. After the political brouhaha, the grave walking debacle and the high profile public smack down over Frogmore, she needs some sympathy press. Bingo.
4. Losing a wanted pregnancy is a terrible heartbreaking experience. It would also be very easy to fake one, particularly for someone with a known history of lying and exploiting emotional situations for gain. And who has not been seen in public much for the last 8 months.
5. Her docket of zoom calls, backyard fashion shoots, Experimentation with new hairstyles and new plastic surgery, adventures in the community engagement, and moves to Montecito was very busy all through the spring and summer when she was allegedly pregnant and or recovering from her loss. The timing of this essay now is shall we say, suspect.
6. What better way to really get back at the Queen, eh? A heartless old woman, kicking a pregnant daughter in law out of her rightful home! Is Meg so bold as to blame HM for causing a miscarriage? The stress of watching Harry weep for his lost military appointments And they cruel treatment from his sanctimonious brother caused this!
7. To sum up: liar. The exploitation artist is at it again.
Who the fuck does that to a child.
Beyond this, when do we ever hear of something GOOD happening to the Duo? Instead, here she is telling everyone what to do again!!
Thanks for posting the text. I should have scrolled up before posting my first comment.
Wow, it's so much worse than I thought.
I guess "Are you OK?" is her brand now. Never mind that it's a phrase that people have been saying for decades before she was even born. Every time it pops up in the news or in pop culture from now on, she'll claim that it was because she raised awareness. I am disgusted.
Until I see evidence of her hospital stay and the reasons for said stay then I frankly don't believe a word of it. This is just Mills and Boon rubbish to garner sympathy after all their endless faux-pas and the backlash they are now getting anytime they post their endless patronising and insulting twaddle. She knows she is going to lose her case now that her lies are being shown up and as per usual she is desperate to get in the news every day so is trying to push that victim narrative again. Chrissy & John Legend got endless sympathy so MM is now jumping on this bandwagon to state 'I've been there too but actually it happened to me before you but I kept it quiet because that's the kind of person I am'
Whilst all the comments on DM are sympathetic, they have much more red than green arrows. Which makes me think that most people think this is crock but don't actually want to put it in writing.
As for the court case, was the delay of 9 months actually requested as wanting a 9 month delay or is this the first available date? And surely this miscarriage was before the delay request? Surely this can't be the reason for the delay as MM was so prolific in her daily media onslaught all through June/July/August/September/October so she could hardly state her need for recovery time to get over her emotional distress.
The Prying Mantis has been very transparent in her goals - to break the internet, to be the most famous woman in the world. Obviously she was heading towards the most 'disliked famous woman in the world' and I think this is just another one of her tales in order to change the narrative and try and turn the tide of her/their negative feedback.
Tatty I hope you get well soon from your op. Can I suggest taking a teaspoon of MSM powder in a glass of water daily as my dad swears by it for joint pain. He's 85 and has been taking it for a year now and says that pretty much all his aches and pains have gone in his back, knee, feet & hands. He had rickets as a child & sciatica later in life plus he also has severe dupuytren's contracture in both hands. He only gets occasional twangs of pain/discomfort now unlike before.
And I found the Manhattan taxi story absolutely unbelievable. Not sure what M was doing alone in NYC as a teenager, but a crying woman talking on a cell phone on a sidewalk in crowded Manhattan in broad daylight standing out to her when "zipping by" in a taxi during a first visit to the city? I doubt it. And why even think about stopping the taxi to offer to help? IF the woman existed (big if) most "good Samaritans" wouldn't interrupt a private phone conversation a crying person was having to ask if she was ok, much less stop a taxi to do it.
It is like M is trying to imitate empathic thoughts and actions and is failing miserably.
Her political stripes are also showing when she says "We aren’t just fighting over our opinions of facts; we are polarized over whether the fact is, in fact, a fact. We are at odds over whether science is real. We are at odds over whether an election has been won or lost. We are at odds over the value of compromise."
Leaving aside the reference to the election, her statement about science is ludicrous. As if most science is "real" and therefore settled.(And I say that as a social scientist.) I guess she must buy margarine instead of butter because it's healthier? Thought not. (At one point it was a "scientific fact" plant-based margarine was healthier to eat than animal-based butter as the latter contained cholesterol.)
@Spanner,
Can I ask what MSM powder is?
I have severe arthritis in my joints, (particularly in my fingers) and also have dupuytren's contracture and sciatica. Anything that could help to relieve the pain would be wonderful.
TIA
/ was a surrogate ?The possible surrogate they had lined up suffered the miscarriage and this is the sutrragates story thats being 'shared'They would be upset so thst could be true? It does sound likely a tale of fiction
When I was compiling my list of reasons for Meg to concoct a story like this, I forgot about Lupo.
Yas! Sitting alone in her lair in Montecito (The one still listed online as being available to rent for $7000 a day) she sees the worldwide outpouring of sympathy for the Cambridges over the loss of their beloved pet. “Hold my wine; I can beat that!” Granted, the news about Lupo just hit a couple of days ago, but that still would have been enough time to get that story published if the Times had been holding it for just such an occasion. She is still competing with Kate and trying to steal her thunder however she can, even oneupmanship in whose is the bigger personal loss.
Do we suppose that dog lover Meg reached out to the Cambridges to express her sympathy over their loss? Hell no we don’t.
I don’t think the passing of Lupo was the main impetus for publication now, But Meg would call that a happy coincidence.
It was dear Miggy who bought up the recent death of Lupo. I agreed with her, so yes this news is all too coincidental. :o)
Google those terms and you will find their page on the internet and FB.
Thank you, I will research. :)
The DM comments are currently moderated, tis why they are more supportive etc.
Yes, I noticed that. They're being careful on this one. Can't really blame them under the circumstances but all the red arrows are making peoples feelings known nevertheless!
She wasn't in hospital then.
Aubrey Hansen (CCN) has a photo of her in white dress on Aug 3rd.
Wearing shorts at Baby2Baby event 24th August.
White pants- Aug 25th having tea in garden with Gloria Steinem.
Can anyone find photos/accounts of her for when she was supposedly in hospital, rather than swanning around taking chances with white clothes/shorts?
I find it difficult to believe she'd a) been pregnant and b) lost the baby - all with out saying anything for 4 months - that is, withholding info until she could use to upstage a dog.
I was just agreeing with Sylvia re Fergie not being common (lineage-wise). Maybe your post wasn't clear and I apologise for any misunderstandings if any but you wrote 'Someone like Fergie, who is very raw and from a commoner family'. That said, I agree Fergie's behaviour wasn't always 'ladylike' :)
It looks like an interesting website, whoever it's run by, so thank you. :)
I have to be careful of drug interactions, so will discuss with my doctor as soon as things get back to normal here.
Phrases like “As I clutched my firstborn, I could feel I was losing my second.” Ain’t gonna do it.
A little further on, it appears that Harry wept on his own knuckles before Meg mingled her tears with his. It can’t of an easy at all to cry on his own hand Simultaneously with Meg as she was holding it in a death grip. Huh?
Meg’s tale of personal woe is just the set up for her to launch into a political screed. Does Breonna Taylor really fit into a personal narrative of pregnancy loss? That’s a big stretch. A bigger stretch still: Asking us to believe that a New York City cab driver would assure a passenger that some kind hearted New Yorker would stop momentarily to ask a crying woman on the street if she was OK, and launch into a philosophical musing about how New Yorkers live in love and cry out in the open. The lady may well have been crying because she’d just been mugged. I’ve been to New York; people move fast and mind their business. Making eye contact with strangers is a sure fire sign you’re a tourist.
Every time I think Meg has sunk as low as she can go, she digs deeper.
The red arrows give away true sentiment shown!
I think they’ll take them off moderation later in the day and you’ll see a barrage of less than flattering comments. The DM often put moderation on, not sure they care either way. Clicks = money.
I had a fetal death at 6 months, and a miscarriage that I drove myself to the hospital from work for (which freaked the construction people out because they thought I should be in an ambulance). I didn't fall to the floor. I didn't cry on my husband's knuckles. I didn't have glazed eyes while staring at the White Wall. (I don't think there was a white wall.) To this day I do not remember the details of the hospital room(s) or anything else except that my ob-gyn was crying for me. Everything else was a blur.
This article was deliberately crafted to attempt to wring emotions from the reader and detract attention away from the things that she doesn't want anybody to notice. It is just another sleight of hand from the illusionist. It reads like a fictionalized account of what somebody thinks a miscarriage should be. WHY would she fall to the floor singing lullabies while clutching a kid that would be perfectly capable of ambulating by himself? Who the hell drags in the dead bodies of people (and the fictionalized accounts of such) that they don't even know into their personal tragedy? Well, hell, why not drag the dead bodies of deceased black folks behind her to raise her profile about how wonderful and caring she is? Move over, Diana, she's going to be dragging every Democrat causes celebre as well as the self-reported miscarriage in her wake. At least Diana will have company but I'm not sure that she would appreciate it.
Everything, EVERYTHING that she says is a lie.
Time will tell but I know they will work their royal connection though it is hanging on by a thread. This NY Times opinion piece is part of the larger con directed at the weakest link Charles.
Get Dad to cave
They can get what they crave
The ultimate half in-half out deal
Baby number two can do
To activate Charles
To end all quarrels
To send the millions in cash
From his Duchy stash
Netflix deal can crash
But there is always turkey and mashed
To eat as they contemplate
How to reel
The biggest fish into the deal
No more lash Charles
Just sending the cash.
Don't turn off the spigot
Charles just give it
I betcha.
She's probably working on it now. Perhaps `Archie, the Invisible/non-existent Child will `die'.
I think the decision for the NYT was that someone like Brooke Shields did her oped piece to shed light on postpartum depression and using medication is wise.
This is piece, however, is not of the same quality writing (loved the Edward Bulwer-Lytton mention). And, it's all over the place, not about gratitude at this time for our upcoming holiday either.
Sandie - nice catch that there are no links to supporting organizations. If you are really about trying to be leading people in a direction (advocate maybe?), you want to send them towards you, your organization or ones you have vetted so others can be helped like you were.
The one I liked best talked about how you have family, friends and mental health groups/professionals to talk about this and you don't need to mention it to the others in a line at the grocery store.
Thank you for posting the NY Times article. It's even worse than I thought. MM mentions other incidents (lady in NY etc) but the gist of the article is 'poor me'. It's all about her. Why did she write an article for the NYT? Presumably she was paid for it? She does mention Thanksgiving but the connection is at best tenuous. And who writes 'my son', 'my husband'? Fine for an unknown writer. As for 'my firstborn son', why the insistence on 'firtborn'? Weird, weird, weird.
I rolled my eyes so hard at the Manhattan story that they almost rolled out of my head.
In the previous thread, someone observed that all the stories Meghan loves to retell are from before her days as a working royal. Maybe she felt she could control the narrative better that way? She has been milking the soap story and the UN speech story for years; but I think enough people have seen the unflattering old news clip and have learned that all she got at the UN was regular applause for her to need new material out of which to construct her mythos. Preferably something no one will be able to fact-check. No New York taxi driver is ever going to come forward to say he remembered that encounter differently -- not just because it probably never even happened but because, even if it did, the odds of him remembering her are nil.
Going forward, we're going to be "treated" with many more such stories that no one else will ever be able to confirm or deny, courtesy of Meghan the third person omniscient narrator.
For max attention before American Thanksgiving.
Something no one can confirm, as it would break hospital confidential information.
Insisting we ask others are they OK, is this a swipe at DoCs 5 questions survey?
And why is she's releasing this now? Well here's why according to Markle...
"This year has brought so many of us to our breaking points,' Meghan writes. 'So, this Thanksgiving, 'let us commit to asking others, 'Are you OK?'
The Queen declined to comment only saying it was a "deeply personal matter". Vanity Fair Royal Editor Katie Nicholl said: 'The royal family were very supportive about it. They were aware of what had happened. Harry was in constant touch with them over the summer and they knew what they were going through. My understanding is they've been supported by the royal family on this episode.'
Make it stop.
The Queen, Charles, Camilla, someone, anyone needs to step up and end this. This woman is destroying the integrity of the entire monarchy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8792849/Chrissy-Teigen-reveals-heartbreaking-news-suffered-miscarriage-named-Jack.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8218573/RHOC-star-Kara-Keough-reveals-son-McCoy-died-childbirth.html
Swampie,
I am sorry for your losses. My sister suffered an early miscarriage, and later delivered a stillborn daughter who had already been diagnosed with a genetic syndrome. In between she gave birth to A healthy son Who is now nine years old and the light of her world. Millions of women have suffered the loss of a child; Millions more are going through it right now. Meg simply does not understand how odious it is to exploit so many sensitive issues for the Promotion of herself. Her pros in her scenario are straight from a TV Movie of the Week. If she had suffered this kind of loss And had any to capacity to feel it, she would not have splashed it on the op-Ed page of the New York Times as a veiled excuse for a political advert. She is extraordinarily vile, really revealing herself worse and worse with every passing day. And the ostentatious use of her title continues. Shame on the New York Times for publishing this tripe. At the very least, they should’ve said “We’ll put it in but you’re going in as Meghan Markle.” For someone who had to flee the royal family because they were racist bullies who hated her, She sure does cling onto that duchess title like a limpet. Even if she is such a down to earth Duchess, she fetches crayons off the floor herself and all. I guess there is no nanny or a dog feeding staff in Chateau Mudslide.
On behalf of women who share your experiences, I am incensed at the brazenness of her tactics.
That article probably took a while to pitch to the New York Times, but it's hard not to see it as a narc's impulsive reaction to both Princess Eugenie having an actual pregnancy in Frogmore Cottage and the Cambridges losing their dog. If we didn't already know that Meghan thinks babies and pets are interchangeable (and equally disposable?), then we have that insight into her soul now.
I wonder whether her original plan was to kill off Archie once and for all. As several Nutties have pointed out, you may get away with faking a birth, but the police will get involved if you fake a death. She must have had her heart set on playing the grieving mother, however, because she found another way to force herself into the role.
Nope.
She is not being forced to share, nor is her article linked to any campaign or endeavour related to miscarriage. Nor does she have to give a public explanaton for being absent from duty.
Some people prefer to be private; others need to express their feelings and thoughts. Meghan is a dramatic and extreme example of the latter. We are all different, and, if you want to help others, the first thing you have to do is listen with an open mind.
Ironic that she officially announced her first pregnancy on a day for those women who have had miscarriages (or something like that). It never occured to her that it was thoughtless, especially while on an official tour when she is representing the monarch and should put herself aside to behave impeccably. I think she still does not get it, so is best living in LA rather than in the UK as a working royal.
I just wish we could overcome this culture where Kim Kardashian, Meghan Markle, etc get so many platforms to influence and parade themselves. These are not the people who develop a vaccine, or will colonize Mars, or who build great places of learning, and so on. They are entertainment for the weekend.
@tatty
Best wishes for your operation. I hope that you will soon be a new person with a new hip!
Chrissy Teigen real/ MM not real.
"October was Pregnancy and Infant Loss Month in the US and the UK. Not a peep from Meghan. Not even to encourage women who had lost their pregnancies or infants.
The path to healing doesn't start with are you okay? It starts with spending time alone, to grieve, to rest."
Quite!
Who does that? What parent or parent would make such an over the top detailed article about it and bring in lots of over events that do not relate !? I’m totally gobsmacked.
That's exactly how I'm feeling about it too. Every time I try to start thinking about it all I just go back to "who does that?" and end up not being able to get past that. If it was an article solely about the miscarriage it'd still be uncomfortable enough, but to add in everything else in the same article? I just can't wrap my head around it. It's as if the miscarriage on it's own isn't seen as important enough to warrant an article on its own. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@Sandie, I sympathise. All I wanted to do after our sudden bereavement was spend time alone with hubby to come to terms with it and deal with it privately within our family circle, but everyone and his dog seemed to think we needed a face to face chat about it in the immediate days following. I spent so much time standing at the front door dealing with people I'd hardly spoken to before (some of them, I honestly had no idea who they were until they explained they were relatives/friends of distant neighbours) who felt they had to come around and personally tell me about how bad they felt about it, ask how we were dealing with it, and offer their help if we needed anything etc. I did appreciate the fact they were thinking about us and it was heartwarming to know that so many people cared, but it was just so, so awkward at the time; I'd have much preferred a note or card quietly dropped through the letterbox that I could have responded to in my own time when I was more up to it.
She first insists on the absolute privacy and then goes and publicly tells about the most sad and private event possible for a woman. Expecting a wave of sympathy.
Also expecting criticism will subside out of respect. It is so transparent and obvious I can't feel as sympathetic as I would otherwise.
I BLED with my daughter at 12 weeks and called my doctor. They told me to stop lifting weights, and I did.
I'm not going to read the rest of the essay. Does she say she called her doctor?
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/sussex/the-stark-contrast-in-reaction-to-meghans-miscarriage-compared-to-that-of-zara-tindalls-exposes-the-ugly-racism-entrenched-in-society-152917/
In which this blogger insists That the negative reaction to Meg’s tale is miscarriage is due to RACISM. Yep.
You would be forgiven for not knowing that Zara Tindall suffered miscarriage in 2016 and again two years later. When she finally released the news after the second one, she said that she had said nothing earlier because she was still feeling too raw to speak about it. This commentator compares the positive and sympathetic reaction to Zara’s restrained statement With the reception of megs verbal diarrhea splashed in one of America’s leading newspapers and concludes that people we’re only sympathetic to Zara because she is white, oh yes and the Queen’s granddaughter as well. Hmm, I don’t suppose the fact that another of the Queen’s granddaughters is currently expecting a baby in a house that used to be Meg’s has anything to do with this oversharing from MM?
No this woman can do no wrong because her mother is black! And anyone who dares question her motives or her choices in behavior is a racist troll!
Totally agree - how convenient to be changing him at that exact moment thereby enabling her to cling on to him and sing a lullaby. It might have been more advisable to call the doctor.
You're welcome @Enbrethliel @Maneki Neko
Few thoughts:
-After Chrissy, I expected a rollout of a miscarriage/infertility story from Rache to garner sympathy and shield herself from backlash and scrutiny; anyone that probes the story or criticizes her for using her miscarriage for PR will be termed monsters.
-After this, I predict Rache will publicize fertility struggles, getting IVF for baby #2, and possibly going public with a surrogate for baby #2. How she popped out Archie with no issue will be explained away with "secondary pregnancy infertility." It's a reasonable explanation but whether it is true or not will be impossible to substantiate.
-Rache n Just H don't have any social media like Chrissy which is likely why she solicited the NYT Opinion piece. She needed to give a firsthand account on a large platform.
Obviously in October, Meg other things going on in her playbook: the Netflix deal was announced, Remembrance Sunday was a ways off, and hairy was probably still expecting the family to say yes to his wreathlaying request, and the duo had perhaps not heard that Frogmore had new tenants moving in. Lupo was still alive, and not in her radar. I think she’s had that essay prepared for some time... this was not the work of a day or two. The New York Times has been on standby to receive a piece from her, or perhaps she’s had this piece and been shopping around to publications and her new team landed her the Times. For significant dates in July we’ve got Diana‘s birthday, and also her wedding anniversary. Another bogus tale from The Girl Who Cried....
It makes me wonder several things:
1: I wonder if Meghan knew she was infertile when she married Harry, which necessitated using a surrogate, which is somehow connected to her trip to Canada just a few weeks after the wedding during the summer of 2018.
2: She likely realizes many people suspect Archie was carried by a surrogate and figured she can’t pretend to be pregnant again, but wants a second child to use as a bargaining chip, weapon and prop so she concocted the miscarriage so she can openly use a surrogate to portray herself in a positive light.
3: We all also know how Meghan likes to jump on any bandwagon that will keep her name in the news and help her image.
I think so little of her that I would not put it past Meghan to have watched all the public sympathy and condolences that Chrissy Teigen and John Legend have received since the announcement of their pregnancy and the miscarriage that followed a few weeks later and the poignant photos Chrissy and John released from the hospital.
Before Chrissy’s recent miscarriage, she and her husband John Legend have been open about her struggles with infertility and the use of IVF to conceive their first two children. She and her husband have also received a generally positive reaction from the public about their struggle to have a family.
So like everything else Meghan does, she has found a new bandwagon to attach herself to by latching on to the Chrissy and John story and the wider issue of infertility and miscarriage.
It allows Meghan to cast herself as a sympathetic victim, generate immense attention and drama, portray herself as maternal (which is far from the truth because narcissistic mothers don’t have a maternal bone in their body) and renders her nearly bulletproof from public criticism — for at least a short time.
In addition, a convenient miscarriage story may help Meghan worm her way out of the self-created quagmire she is in with the Mail on Sunday litigation and the likelihood that immensely damaging information will come out about Meghan if the suit moves forward with testimony.
I put absolutely nothing beyond Meghan. I believe she is THAT devious.
4: There is another reason. It also allows Meghan to publicly use a surrogate instead of hiding it as she possibly did with Archie.
And she brought the BLM movement into it - why politicize what is supposed to be a highly personal tragedy?
Once, with financial problems, I tried writing romantic fiction - and I couldn't do it. It's like writing for the Sun, much more difficult than one would expect and demands a particular skill. I'm too used to writing formal essays.
Anyway, I studied Mills and Boon and can say that they do have standards- they may set the bar lower than that for a literary novel but they wouldn't go so low as to publish Meghan's little efforts. I wouldn't dream of applying Bette Midler's saying to them (wtte `I have my standards -they may be low but they are standards').
MM would stay on the slush pile.
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Methinks she's on her Virgin Mary kick again.
I think she’s had that essay prepared for some time... this was not the work of a day or two.
@WBBM
Methinks she's on her Virgin Mary kick again.
Perhaps she was saving it for right before Christmas, but couldn't resist trying to upstage both Princess Eugenie's getting Frogmore Cottage and the Cambridges losing Lupo. "See! I, too, have suffered!!!"
Actually Mills and Boon is better than this claptrap, even the woman who wrote 50 Shades of Grey is better than this, and that was just the worst kind of rubbish
How has she turned that cringefest documentary in South Africa into this.... 'My off-the-cuff reply seemed to give people permission to speak their truth' - she seems to believe that she's energised people in standing up for themselves, flipping heck she is deluded and thinks people actually take comfort in her faux words
Receipts, please. WHO have spoken out about their own pain and credited Meghan for having inspired them?
We may not be able to fact-check the story about the New York cab driver, but we surely can fisk this.
She says nothing about how excited they were at the pregnancy, looking forward having another child, so nothing about how crushingly disappointed they were.
And of course, nothing else about Archie.
You win the Latte of the day for your astuteness at pointing out Mugsy‘s virgin Mary cosplay again… First born son, laying him in the manger!
Geewhiz, the last thing she would want is for Mudslide mansion to become a holy pilgrimage site, though if people wanted to just stop by and leave bags of gold outside the gates, She would find that acceptable. Apparently she likes to wait in the bushes outside the gates to wait for deliveries. If Meg has been able to fake a toddler, an entire Montecito mansion, and dozens of high profile celebrity friendships, faking a miscarriage would be nothing. Something tells me she has employed at this trick before.
Two things a man Is powerless to defend himself against:
An allegation of sexual abuse
A “You have to marry me now because I’m pregnant!” gambit, followed by a “miscarriage” before the ceremony so the bride can look good in her dress.
This seems like a very plausible prediction and something I had thought of too. I’ll be watching over the coming months to see what unfolds.
Do we think she is going to attempt to register “are you OK?” As her copyrighted intellectual property?
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Which losses do you mean? Frogmore? The Duchy allowance? Title? Netflix deal? The last of her natural teeth? She can’t be mourning the loss of her soul, since she was born without one.
I just had a horrible thought… Do we think that guy and or Pula are in danger? The miscarriage peace will get her some fuel for a few days, but how is she going to top that next week? Will both of her dogs expire of doggie COVID To shove Lupo off of peoples feeds?
you stated: Two things a man Is powerless to defend himself against:
An allegation of sexual abuse
A “You have to marry me now because I’m pregnant!” gambit, followed by a “miscarriage” before the ceremony so the bride can look good in her dress.
I think she's already pulled option 2 'you have to marry me now' followed by the 'miscarriage' either at Skippy's wedding in Jamaica or at the Invictus event in Canada where they all seemed to gang up on Harry (MM, Marcus, Doria & Jessica).
I think with the recent Blind of exploits with prostitutes whilst doing military service she's already sowing the seed for option 1.
Added to the recent reveal of ''roasted chicken' I think there may be a video of Harry, Meghan & Marcus that is being held over him which may see light of day come the divorce. I would be surprised if Harry is gay or bi, but who knows what has happened when he's been off his face, they could of easily slipped him some rohypnol and they were trying to fit him up.