The previous post was getting a bit long, so here's a new post to continue to discuss the Sussex situation.
I am sorry for my absence; duty calls.
Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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Well, I does me best!
I'm sorry to hear that. She's made a mockery of women's suffering.
I thought the pix in your avatar looked scary, she just looks more hideous (if that's possible). I wish this latest stunt would backfire big time but it doesn't look like it.
Keep those creative juices flowing, we need them! x
Both of you help me stay on this site. Keep writing :)
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/meghan-markle-miscarriage-palaces-heartless-reaction/news-story/4fd942f3af310a3f2d9dbcaee238cd76#.c43nl
@Maneki
Seems like no concern for WildBoar.
Disappointed. Wasting my time.
"Women will decide for themselves whether or not they want to share their grief and NOTHING Madame Markle can say or do will change that". So true
But the real reason Madam suddenly decided to make her miscarriage public is simple. She has been exposed in the media as a liar who lied in court about her involvement with FF
The whole kerfuffle is a PR counterattack to try and save what is left of her hide.
@Maneki
Seems like no concern for WildBoar.
Disappointed. Wasting my time.
What have I missed? I definitely support Wildboar and her interesting posts.
Miggy: what did you expect :-)? Everything was orchestrated to shame the royals for not being supportive of Meghan (again)
True!
Can anyone remember if any of the Royals made public statements when Zara miscarried?
The whole kerfuffle is a PR counterattack to try and save what is left of her hide.
Some sugar just wrote a comment in the DM saying that she hopes the public will now see Meghan through different eyes!
Someone replied with: "Why would they do that? A miscarriage doesn't wipe your slate clean fgs."
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Only the 'woke' and the 'gullible' will fall for that guff!
Opinion: Has The New York Times Been ‘Markled’?
November 25, 2020 at 7:14 PM
I see the one for Nov 25th but today is Nov26th and it's not yet 1:00pm?
That was uncalled for and I feel she owes you an apology.
I can't find the other one you mentioned.
IF (and big if) she was in the hospital for a D&C, that's not an emergency surgery even in the past.
Emergencies are car accidents, gun shots, stabbings and have to do this now or they will likely die.
D&C? that is scheduled around the lippo, face lifts, colonoscopies and other not medically necessary at this moment surgeries. Even if it is some specialty hospital - miscarriage is just not a physically life threatening event (emotional is a different story based on the individual).
My mistake! I've been multitasking and had the wrong glasses on. Mistook today's timestamp for a second post that I thought you were referring to. Sorry!
It's becoming increasingly difficult to find any humour in the Harkles. This latest outrage is scraping the barrel even for them; one thing to sincerely raise difficult questions about which there is great sensitivity, quite another to use them for devious motives of one's own.
Are they trying to weasel their way back into our affections? Set up a scenario where they can make out that it follows that their critics are anti- babies/-children/-pregnancy/-young mothers or anything else she cares to mention?
As Harry Markle suggests, is she now going to use a claim of PTSD to get out of the legal case?
Her dramatic professions do not ring true to me; like a cracked bell, she is hollow.
I'd be delighted if an SAS snatch squad could seize H but I imagine it could create an international incident. Life with her must be hell at times - is H a man or a mouse?
'If you're in search of something that is stigmatised, try being a woman without children, even it is by circumstance not choice'
Thank you for these words and for all the interesting helpful comments that you write and post here .
There is so much wisdom & experience in what you write I believe I amongst many bloggers here who appreciate you so much
- Meghan Markle signals "heart" of Archewell as future charity plans with Harry discussed
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1364991/meghan-markle-prince-harry-archewell-charity-foundation-plans-duke-duchess-of-sussex-news
- Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Celebrate First Thanksgiving in New Montecito Home
https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-celebrate-first-thanksgiving-new-home-california/
- Chrissy Teigen comes to Meghan Markle's rescue after troll drags her through the mud
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/749431-chrissy-teigen-comes-to-meghan-markles-rescue-after-troll-drags-duchess-through-the-mud
-Prince Harry 'puts in four-hour shift' helping vulnerable on 'difficult day' in California
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1364899/Prince-Harry-news-Duke-of-Sussex-Royal-latest-LA-update-volunteering-veteran-v
"Harry has been praised for the secret volunteer work he has been doing for the vulnerable in California."
Secret volunteer work which has obviously been shared with royal expert Omid and others...
The Crown effect:
- Royal Family LIVE: Make WILLIAM King! Royal fans urge Queen to shake up line of succession
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1364800/royal-family-news-queen-prince-william-kate-prince-charles-camilla-meghan-markle-harry
Thinking of you all wishing you all a very happy day
Hope you all have a great time spent with your loved ones either in person or time spent enjoying happy contact enjoy your day.
Thank you ladies and thank to our western culture that doesn't treat women as walking wombs - whatever Markle is bleating.
There are cultures on Earth where woman's value is measures by her ability to bear children and serve - and nothing else.
I thank God every day that we live in the culture which views women as persons, not property.
May I echo @Sylvia and others: I am so grateful you post here, and that we have the great good fortune to know you here in Nutty’s forum. To borrow and repurpose a quote from Gertrude Stein (see how that’s done, M?), “there is no here here” without you. I look forward everyday to your interesting, humorous, spot-on comments and fascinating recaps of history. Sending a curtsy and an elbow-bump hug to you today.
Did they do all that when Zara or Sophie miscarried? or did they just present the facts?....
Someone suggesting on Lipstick Alley that mentioning George Floyd whilst talking about your miscarriage probably wasn't the smartest move bearing in mind he previously did time for sticking a gun into the belly of a black pregnant woman whilst his friends burgled her house.
Odd too that she does so much in the morning - make breakfast, feed dogs, pick up crayon (one of Harry's obviously), find sock before checking on her son, he's like an afterthought. I don't believe for one second that she changes his nappies or cleans up, I'm sure they have plenty of staff for that. How many staff did they have in Frogmore that had to be let go? I have a feeling it was around 15 (cleaners/housekeepers/chauffeurs/footmen/chefs etc) - later in the year they had to let go of their office staff and there was about 15 of those. So about 30 staff for 2+baby and that doesn't include the security..... even if they scaled down I can't see them without any domestic staff at all.....
How old is Archie now? Wouldn't he be a bit old for sleeping in a crib? (perhaps the lullaby she was humming was 'Away in a Manger')
Going back to the engagement video - what do you think Harry meant by 'modernising the Monarchy'? And whatever you think, do you think that he had any idea what Meghan ideas of 'modernising the Monarchy' were?
Edward tried to modernise the image of the younger Monarchy by his charity Royal version of 'Its a Knockout' which was one of the top rated TV programmes back in the late 70's - it didn't come across well as people just don't want to see our Royals behave like idiots even if it's 'all for charity!'
I enjoy reading this blog so much, you all have such a wicked sense of humour. We don't celebrate Thanksgiving here in the UK but I would like to wish all the American Nutties a Happy Thanksgiving - I will raise a glass of my favourite Italian wine to you all tonight as I attempt to not fall asleep as soon as my backside meets the sofa!
I ask because she was drinking wine. Would like to know how close to July that was.
Also appreciate the anyone that can/did put together a July timeline.
Did she have a miscarriage amid all their "work" in July? I don't know. If so, I am truly sorry. B UT. I don't think it was as dramatic and flowery as she is painting it out to be. Tragedy should never be painted to look like a romance novel. It does real life victims a disservice.
Not just a lullaby, mind you, but a cheerful lullaby.
Anyone think that a cheerful lullaby is a bit of an oxymoron?
(Catching up) — Tufts of red hair oh my goodness, yah! And the stylings of Sheehan! and lashings of tequila from a strangely ebullient Clooney.....ahhhh, sigh, perfect scenario. I think you need to write a book called “in Meghan’s Head: Labyrinth” perhaps. Delicious.
***Happy Thanksgiving 🍁 to those Nutties who celebrate today! I am thankful for all of you. Here is a funny for you: my sassy late mother happened to be in NYC in 1952 (she was an older mom, having my brother and I in her early 40s, so was about 18 then) staying with family while there to see the sights and art museums.. She went to the Macy’s Parade that year with her cousins. Flash forward decades: Every Thanksgiving Day as I was growing up, she would make it a point to explain the holiday to us and add, And their enormous parade, I was in the crowd once, and because I was so young and a bit pretty, someone tried to goose me! But I had a thick coat, that fooled him! Always wear a good thick coat!”
It became our joking family motto and life advice — “fine, go do it, have your adventures, but.....wear a good thick coat!”
Have a happy one!
Do we really need to know about Meghan Markle’s miscarriage?
Harry and Meghan are now invading their own privacy.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/26/do-we-really-need-to-know-about-meghan-markles-miscarriage/
I’ve had a miscarriage. It was a tremendously sad event, but I certainly never felt it to be a taboo subject. I can absolutely see the evolution of this last stunt; Meghan saw the positive PR Chrissy Teigen received for her miscarriage. Just another bandwagon she’s jumped on.
I think this miscarriage tale directly relates to (1) trying to prove something to the judge in her lawsuit, and (2) trying to convince the RF that her marriage with Harry is real, that Archie is real (“firstborn son”...please. Or as a friend points out, “firstborn son” does not preclude an earlier born, now adult, Samantha-raised daughter)....that they deserve forgiveness, title retention, more money. She does not understand that the RF probably know the truth about Archie and the woman raising him.
Agree with the poster who cleverly noticed the way M steps on Camilla’s important work days......Camilla knows the big stuff.
Do you think she (protecting Charles) and Sophie (protects the Queen) will be the eventual plug pullers? I do.
I can see it now… In an underground bunker deep underneath Buckingham palace and modeled on church hills war rooms, it will be Camila and Sophie’s war rooms...Assembled for the purposes of bringing down their number one nemesis.
Catherine will be a special consultant. Princess Anne is also onboard. The support staff will be all women, Carefully vetted for their discretion. If they have experienced a pregnancy loss, that will serve as extra incentive to succeed in this mission.
Charles and William will be advised of their progress, But will officially Disavow any knowledge of the team’s activities. William gives all assets the green light.
I have been holding off commenting on this latest stunt because it was so upsetting and I did get angry about it. She is completely shameless and the worst of the worst. I do not believe for a second she had a miscarriage. It smacks of desperate PR, and she is known to be willing to do literally anything, no matter how crass. She will do anything to push others in the RF out of the headlines and elbow in on attention they may be receiving. She is betting on this "miscarriage" protecting her, making her untouchable-"You can't criticise me now, suckers!" The flowery writing is disgusting and unbelievable. It's as if someone is sitting at their desk imagining and writing a fiction story for a class.
I have been undergoing fertility testing(early 40s) and will be having a D&C shortly. In the US it is an outpatient procedure, whole thing takes about 3 hours from the time you get there to when you get into a car and someone takes you home. It is a common procedure. Two of my friends have had miscarriages and then had to have a D&C. There was no shame or stigma at all, so she is trying to gin up even more "Oh poor Meggy" where there is none. And to the earlier poster who said there's shame and stigma for childless women, you are so right. I have been living that.
AnT, I totally agree with all you're saying, and I love the bit about "Always wear a thick coat"! WBBM and gang, you guys are the best and I always look forward to reading your posts. Take care, all.
Excellent article in Spiked. Thank you! I particularly liked:
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"That the end product – emotionally incontinent displays of one’s every trial and malady – is as intrusive, more intrusive in fact, as any sneaky tabloid exposé of a person’s private life is just brushed over."
" Today it is surely the public, us news-reading citizens, who must cry ‘Leave us alone!’ to a celebrity set that never tires of emotional exhibitionism and whose personal troubles take up so much space in the media. Are we really invading Meghan Markle’s life, or is she invading ours?"
"Never mind celebs or writers protecting themselves from our prying eyes; it’s us who must protect ourselves from their emotional sluttiness."
"Emotional incontinence", indeed!
Yes. I hope very much Justice Welby is taking note of MMs need for privacy.
I don’t remember the miscarriage and lullaby scene in Steel Magnolias. I love the film though. Regardless, is there anything that Megsy does which isn’t copied?
You'll notice she says 'make breakfast, feed dogs' etc but doesn't mention feeding her 'firstborn' son. She dress the dogs first? Maybe Archie was still asleep... I really think she's not right in the head.
As for the D+C, when you are early on in the pregnancy and you are young and have time on your side, you might wait a few days for a D+C. When you are in your 30s and want more children and get the special treatment because you don’t have time to waste and your doc makes time in her schedule, it is entirely possible to get a D+C the same day. It’s so much quicker and then you only have to wait 1-2 cycles and can try again.
My issues about the story are (whether it’s her or not): 1) when a woman says she miscarried we should believe her
2) if she is mentally ill and has a miscarriage, yes, it very well may be more dramatic etc because (if she has borderline or whatever) (is sensitive/emotional) then she is going to FEEL it all at a high level. If people think she (or anyone else) is mentally ill and she says she has a miscarriage, why would you make fun of a mentally ill person having a miscarriage?
3) IF she is lying and there is no Archie or they don’t have Archie or everything she says is a lie, how come (aside from conspiracy theories/random people on the internet/people like skippy, TP1, Harry Markel, Dana zone, etc)l.... why has none of this gotten out? And seriously, why would the queen go along with a long con? She is the queen. She doesn’t play. These days, there is nothing Harry could have done that would surprise anyone, (unless he had sex with a dead boy.) Why would all the required players in on the con not take a Million dollar payout to spill the beans? Just you wait doesn’t work for me....
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Lastly, since before many of the good posters left, this board was so much more interesting when all the former web sleuthers were here and people were making honest efforts to piece together where HAMS stands within the family.
Lately, it’s like another Skippy board.
Hikari, for instance, is ok to me. I rarely agree with what she says, but she is rarely over the top mean, and she clearly gives a lot of thought to what she writes (which I enjoy reading) and admits when she is wrongs and adjusts her theories accordingly. Nothing wrong with that. She and I are probably the two opposite ends of the spectrum.
I believe since the royal family has Archie as 7th in line, then he is 7th in line, for instance. With me, what you see is what you get: they are together and live in Montecito with Archie.
Yes, I do think it’s never been about privacy, but about controlling the narrative and making their own money off their photos and information instead of the British paps. I don’t have an opinion on this. I don’t care about this.
Yes, I think her essay was overly flowery, but I do think it was well written. I’m not sure I like how she wove in BLM and Covid, but as far as essays go, she was successful in making her point. Had she focused only on her miscarriage, she would have been called selfish etc (what she has been called for this essay anyway). She basically tied it into what a shitty year 2020 has been for so many. Whatever. It’s an essay that doesn’t change my life.
I was reading on the Tommy website and they do discuss how fathers are left out of the discussion and they praised her for keeping Harry in the essay.
Oh, yes, Katherine did work with Tommy’s in October, so there you go..... run with that.
Again, Happy Thanksgiving to those who are making the best of it, and again, thank you to the posters who wished me well on my surgery. I figured it would be in December, so all of my shopping is done, wrapped and under the tree (put up this week).
Please excuse typos, as I am perming my eyelashes lol one at a time with an eyelash lift kit.
We are often told that swarms of intrusive hacks and newspaper readers are constantly hounding celebs for more and more info, gossip, pictures. But it strikes me that the real problem today is the opposite of this. In the 21st century it is celebs who hound us, cajoling us to read about their bipolar diagnosis, their nervous breakdown, their abusive childhood, their deep emotional agony. We need to reverse the Greta Garbo-style cry of leave me alone. Today it is surely the public, us news-reading citizens, who must cry ‘Leave us alone!’ to a celebrity set that never tires of emotional exhibitionism and whose personal troubles take up so much space in the media. Are we really invading Meghan Markle’s life, or is she invading ours?
If it had really happened what is the likelihood that Harry would have kept that fact - never mind the pregnancy - from his family, but if he had mentioned it and the distress that his wife was undergoing would the RF have been in a hurry to confiscate Frog Cott. It is the unnecessary details as well as the lack of proper detail that catches-out the liar. So distraught that it may be the reason for the adjournment of her case against the DM yet so relaxed her self-promotion carries on as normal - including for Harry an appearance on a weekend television talent show. This is not stiff-upper lip grinning and bearing it. Watch for Duper's forthcoming Delight yet somehow I don't think the hospital dash will make it to the final cut of the Netflix documentary. Like my ex girlfriend (see above and may she suffer if not in this then in the next world) Markle will now have a smile on her face wider than a Cheshire cat.
Okay,..I see Princess Anne and Mike Tindall involved with Advanced Psy-0ps Training: Placement of agents in brown dresses wherever thy will least expect to see them (outside a Montecito coffee bar, packing meals for charity, assisting Brad Pitt with carts, fir mental warfare. Pals of Mike willing to serve as security guards, and pose as plumbers. A steady volley of inexplicable wigs and toupees hurtled over the walls of Villa Sadness, along with enormous shoes, whenever they launch a heinous PR drop. Horsemen trained to rush and grab any stunt baby in a public place.
Sophie handles the PR weaponry: Factoid arrows designed for stealthy rattack on her lies. A photographer hired to shoot or photoshop photos of an ever increasing number of pigs outside the Montecito gates and following M through town (Project Porkie). Photos distributed as art to all outlets, with money given To mental health charity for every published use. Billboards and ads and memes showing a sad puppy with the caption “Patron Meghan Markle sent me ten pounds from her mansion to survive will you?” Ant and Dec offer a tv special: Things Philip Finds Funny About Meghan Christmas Special. Images of her claws, falling bump, grimaces, acted out by the hilarious Meggie Foster.
Camilla operates the spy network looking at the murky finances and the Doria account. Charlotte contacts LA school girls via Zoom to encourage them to ask their mommies about the true stories of Auntie Meghan for the upcoming Auntie Meghan Charity Colouring & Puzzle Book.
Yes, William and Catherine keep tabs on the operation and ready the Tower.
Episode 4 is about how PP saw that in order for the monarchy to survive, they had to become more familiar to people (building on what the queen’s dad had begun with getting the family to get out of the cars and meet people and shake hands). This resulted in him getting the wedding on TV and using that medium to shine a light on the royal family (and eventually with the supposedly disastrous 1969 fly on the wall documentary; they actually show some of it), and it dawned on me that at this point, social media has come back to bite PP and the RF in the butt.
First with Diana, and the advent of the paps, which previous had been the rota who were very deferential to the queen’s wishes. Diana came and the paps became vicious in their thirst for her, which she also loved in many ways, so she played to them on that.
Now with social media, we have HAMS overshadowing the RF and the RF just can’t get this cat back in the bag (I’m bad at sayings, is that the correct one?).
Anyway, it’s been very interesting to watch this documentary knowing where we are now with all of this.
Maybe it’s time to put the mystique back in the royal family.
If she miscarried in July and waited 2-3 cycles after, then got IVF again in Sept/Oct. the IVF alledgedly was successful and she is in early stage of pregnancy.
I do hope i am wrong. I truly do. Announcing the miscarriage now if her way of gaining sympathy (of course) and she hopes to shut down a lot of the negative press about herself.
If she is now pregnant, when they announce it, it will be all the joyous news for them to broadcast. (after the tragic loss, M&H try again).
Did anyone hear how far along M was supposedly at time of miscarriage? I'm wondering if she had just had IVF treatment and it didn't take and she is calling that a miscarriage?
I am also presuming that Megs went to a "private" hospital vs a public hospital. One for those with money and the rules are different.
I have not read the entire piece from NYT - only portions i've found posted here and there. I have no desire to read the entire piece, especially hearing she brought up other subjects (BLM etc)
July 1 – Harry sends video message for Diana Award.
July 3 –Duke and duchess press ahead with plans for their Archewell organisation.
July 6 – Harry and Meghan Zoom call with Commonwealth youth
July 7 - Harry filmed for the opening of the 23rd International Aids Conference.
July 11 – Harry and Meghan outside office building in L.A.
July 14 - Duchess of Sussex gave a keynote speech via webcam at Girl Up Summit.
July 23 – The couple launch legal action against an unnamed individual for illegal drone flights over their property
July 27 – Harry hosts Zoom call for football stars
July 30 - Prince Harry attends virtual Travel Summit via video link
plus preparing their move and fixing up the house in Montecito in early August.
Big big hug.
The quote you mentioned came from an article I posted earlier.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/26/do-we-really-need-to-know-about-meghan-markles-miscarriage/
First off, many surgery centers are transitioning into “surgical hospitals” (where they have to have an ER (though limited services— can always transfer to a big hospital) and overnight stays relating to the surgery. There are also women’s and children’s hospitals, separate from the campuses of the big hospital, even by a long corridor (different building etc).
Given they had special treatment (I’m not even going to pretend that didn’t happen), for instance if a surgery center closes at 5, it’s entirely possible her doc assembled a team of confidentially minded people, waited for the reception and office staff and transport staff to leave, and then they basically had the entire center to themselves, where upon she had a D+C with only the amount of staff needed. (Anesthesiologist, doc, scrub tech maybe a post op nurse)...
Also, my DH has met certain VIPs at his office after hours or on a weekend to stitch up wounds (other doctors family, his nurse’s kids etc).... and I also had that done for me a few times, with a dental emergency and when I was brushing my hair and accidentally brushed my eyeball lol. I was met at the medical office, just the doc and me to get my needs tended to.
So it’s entirely possible only 4 staff members knew she was even there.
I do not suppose if the Tindalls had any residual warmth if feeling toward the Sussexes, it has survived Meg’s latest PR stunt. The memory of Zara’s two miscarriages must still be painful. Meg’s Megaphone was vastly misapplied in this instance.
And what is supposed to be a day of Thanksgiving, I am going to take a break from wasting anymore mental energy on an odious thing like Markle. Her stench offends me. I am gratified to see that the VIP Death has relegated Markle to the tiniest of sidebars in all of the UK papers, and that all the pictures selected to accompany those are unflattering. If she expected above the fold headlines in full color full page glory, she has to have been sorely disappointed. I would wager that she’s gunning for TV appearances on GMA and the Luke to discuss “her suffering at her loss”.
The camera pans to an unconscious Shelby, lying outside on the patio steps. The phone is off the hook as if she had attempted to make the call, he runs to her and cradles her in his arms. End scene.
https://youtu.be/1OmrdadYKZw
For what it’s worth, anyone who has appendicitis or a spleen infection or any kind of infection in that area won’t be able to raise their arms above their head and do that sort of throwing motion with a hop or at least heels off the ground without collapsing in pain.
Also, WFIW, someone in an article on I think daily mail, said her miscarriage happened exactly as Mm described hers— she bent over to pick her child up out of the crib when she had a pain. I don’t have a link for this and I’m not going to go find it.
Also, here is Zara Tindall’s interview about her two miscarriages, the first of which happened right after they had announced her pregnancy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/zara-tindall-miscarriage-mike-bbc-breakfast-interview-royal-family-a8527666.html
Best of luck and we are all holding a good thought for you!
I agree that this is just the latest "card" she has to play. May it be her last.
I am glad the BRF are remaining mum. Despite some criticism. They know who they are dealing with.
@Tatty I hope your surgery goes well and you recover rapidly. I'm told the procedure transforms lives.
Fantastic post. Funny. And I agree. The devil is in the (lie)
details.
KMC, thank you.
Thanks for sharing the LSA poster comments...so spot on...the emotional intrusiveness from celebs is grotesque. Privacy is a luxury. In fact, I would say truly wanting privacy is now anti social and will soon be illegal for us all.
Why did the New York Times publish the essay, unless, they had verified all the facts?
Markle's medical information is protected under HIPAA laws. No verification is possible.
If verification is not possible, why would the NY Times publish it?
They published the story because Markle said she had a miscarriage and provided a story attesting to that. Do you really believe everything you read in the media is the truth? I hope not for your sake.
The Control Room - Nutties in WAAF uniforms, with heads sets, gathered around a large chart on a table, moving the counters to show the ever-changing positions of the dramatis personae... crackling voices coming in `over the ether'...
Because it sells the issue.
If verification is not possible, why would the NY Times publish it?
Lemon Tea:
This situation really shows how publishers will print anything. I suppose they consider this an opinion piece. They wouldn't be able to check the story for authenticity. Although I wonder if they thought to discretely check to see if she was actually signed into any hospitals in July. Hospitals or surgery centers not dedicated to plastic surgery, that is.
Fake news, PR paid for fluff pieces are amongst real authentic news these days, that sadly includes established newspapers. It would be wholly naive to believe everything you read.
Proving that she can do it might help, she thinks, in (re-)establishing the possibility that Archie was `born of the body'.
https://www.hipaajournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/HIPAA-Journal-sample-HIPAA-release-form-v1.pdf
Or perhaps she's claiming to have had a miscarriage, so she appears fertile and pursuing pregnancy, to counter talk of a Baby #1 surrogate and potentially for a Baby #2 as well?
Yes, we do as well though only at doctor's offices, not at the hospital. I can't imagine Markle or anyone for that matter giving the media access to their personal health records.
Seems that anything's possible with Markle 😀
Exactly! No warming pans were harmed in the construction of this narrative.
https://the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara.tumblr.com/
Right. And if true, this takes driving the narrative well beyond PR. Will the truth ever be told about the Harkles? Archie? I doubt it. It's just gone too far.
The media is enabling and complicit. Lemon tea asked why the NYT's ran the miscarriage story. Why indeed.
I like your SAS rescue idea. They wait until she goes out shopping for a new doll ( she left Darren at FrogCot , Eugenie finds him at the back of a cupboard and has to be revived with smelling salts), they land the helicopter in the garden as H is sunbathing by the pool. A hood gets slipped over his head, he’s bundled into the helicopter where a heavy sedative is administered. They transfer him to a waiting private jet and 12 hours later he’s landing on the lawn at Balmoral where a military expert in deprogramming is waiting. They feed him up on grouse, pheasant and venison and have him going on 10 mile yomps every day . At the end of 3 months he files for divorce....
@JennS
Fake news, PR paid for fluff pieces are amongst real authentic news these days, that sadly includes established newspapers. It would be wholly naive to believe everything you read.
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@Lemontea and others: Not sure how much fact-checking is done (or required) on opinion pieces as opposed to news stories researched by staff members. In fact, I'm pretty sure the word "opinion" says it all. Facts: optional.
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My response to @Raspberry Ruffle: Thank you but I was replying to Lemon Tea and had quoted her question about verifying the story. I am well aware of fake news and paid for PR and can assure you I am not naive! I also doubt that Lemon Tea is either.
My response to @Teasmade: I'm sure posters understand this. We are merely discussing the problems an opinion piece can cause. I for one think basic facts on any story placed in a paper should be checked. If regulations prevent sourcing certain facts, there are always peripheral parts that can be verified. And that is just MY opinion! It doesn't mean that I do not understand what an 'opinion piece' is.
When I went to go to this blog just now, I received a notice from Apple that I have never received in the 2-plus years I have been a lurker and then a commenter on this blog. It was an entire page warning me that because this site is not a secure https site, that it is a security risk for someone hacking me.
Has anyone else recently received this sort of notice? If I get it again, I will try to copy the text so everyone can see it. The text is basically boilerplate warning text that most of is have likely occasionally encountered, but I find it alarming for this notice to suddenly start displaying for this platform.
I am wondering if because many of the commenters here realize the true personality and motives of Meghan, that it is being targeted to attempt to scare people away from it.
Nutty: I know you are very busy right now, but when you get a chance, do you think blogger.com might know what’s going on? I often access this site via my iPhone, and it did an update this past Tuesday night, so perhaps I am concerned over nothing.
But in today’s climate, many big tech companies that provide information are attempting to throttle access to sites or news stories they do not agree with. These companies are run by people who have their own opinions and agendas, which when it comes to Harry and Meghan, they may want to throttle or totally shut down blogs and other sites where people congregate who do not view the Harkles in a positive light with an endless sugar shower.
leftovers might have to be eaten cold and in the dark tomorrow. I have oil lamps etc so it will be very romantic!!!!!!
In view of what Sally1975 has said, I'm back to thinking that the UK is in as deep trouble as it ever was, thanks to MM - and she could well be back on track to her intended World Domination.
I shudder when I recall some of the earlier instances of such behaviour.
Kyrie eleison...
But, please, someone.....tell me how this story of Me-Again's "supposed miscarriage" make's her THE VICTIM? Of anything?
Is she a victim of FATE? As so many others might have been? if so, why is she so special? What makes her the special flower and spokes-model of womanhood? I don't get it....
Where, exactly, is this in the panoply of human disasters that makes her plight so unique, that it deserves a "world stage"? A World Stage which allows her to pontificate on the idiotic cause de jure? BLM, et. all. *Cough, cough*
Okay. I'll stop. This is nothing more than an insane publicity stunt. Poor Hazbeen.
Sorry....I am not buying what she is selling. Hundreds of millions of women have suffered the same, sadly. With dignity. With family, privacy, friendship, and love. Without shilling their plight to the world, for profit.
Sorry. Not buying. Even an emerald tiara couldn't fix this mess!
Perhaps they would not directly be able to determine if there was a second pregnancy, but instead figure it out by way of piecing together testimony and other information to back their way into figuring out if it is true or not.
Any thoughts?
On a minor point someone once said you can tell a liar because they over embellish the story. Why did Megs say she pulled back and tied her hair? Why did she think that needed to be in the story.
@Puds: .Yes, you are correct about over embellishment when lying. It is also one of the ways liars are caught later on when the story is retold because the minute facts that were tossed in to attempt to create authenticity change because the liar can’t keep their story straight.
“Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.”
as said by Pooh Bah in `The Mikado' (WS Gilbert)
The Divine Right of a Mother who has Suffered, a true Mater Dolorosa.
How dare we criticise her!!!
Btw, she borrows some of her poses from iconography used for Mary's Immaculate Conception (ie born free of Original Sin - nothing to do with the Virgin Birth). Very ironic - I'm tempted to make a very stinging comment but shall desist!
IMO, she's making good use of her Catholic education.
We had a lovely feast with family here, and will be heading to another state to celebrate with family there with no children involved this weekend. We didn't socially distance or wear masks; those of us that have not been officially diagnosed with COVID in the past did have COVID tests prior to the gathering. Oldest grandson was talking about masks in school, and how he *usually* has at least two significant respiratory infections when school resumes in the fall. This year, nada (he attends public high school, college and works in a restaurant. He is 16.) It is going to be difficult ripping the mask away from him after the pandemic!
I just did a quick taste test of the turkey bone broth that has been brewing away quietly overnight with garlic cloves, vinegar with the mother, whole fresh sage, some whole carrots, and a couple of sliced oranges and it is delicious.
@Lizzie
I'm seeing people make this comparison between MM's story and the Steel Magnolias scene all over the Internet. I don't think it matters that Shelby wasn't having a miscarriage. People are connecting the similarities of the collapsing mother while picking up the child and the singing/humming of a lullaby/song. I haven't seen the movie in many years so I can't speak of it myself but the point being made sounds like a good one to me...more Markle appropriations.
More likely that she knows that her target market has never SEEN Steel Magnolias (who cares about anything that happens in the south?) and will not make the connection.
After thinking about my above statement while sipping more coffee to activate cardiac activity, I revise my statement. It doesn't matter. Her target market (low IQ individuals) will accept it just like they accept their politicians telling people to stay inside crowded communal living situations in the large cities for their own viral safety, even though they have shared heating/AC systems and plumbing which will spread the virus into every apartment if one person is infected. (Why aren't the homeless dropping like feces and needles on the city sidewalks? Fresh air/ventilation = viral load dilution.) Meanwhile, they ignore the dichotomy between what their politicians say and what they actually do.
You are right that her miscarriage card has been used to silence her critics. But it can only be used once. And it opened her to a simple question: why did she invade her own privacy in such a manner? She sued over a picture of herself on a walk and yet was happy to invite the world media into her womb and her hospital room. I am not afraid to say she is a hypocrite and neither are millions of others. And if she is trying to convince us how "hurting" she was we can always refer to the picture of her the smiling happily at the camera, sitting with bare feet in the garden in a wide brimmed hat with a famous old lady. In August. Right after. She wasn't hurting badly enough to cancel that photoshoot.
As I said upthread previously, because he BBC is Woke. I stopped watching the BBC long ago, especially the news or anything to do with current events and affairs.
Megsy showed no emotion during July the time her miscarriage occurred. During July and August she was acting no different, she’s an actress so perhaps she’s better at hiding it, but generally she shows zero emotion, only smirking or her OTT smiling and laughing.
Welcome to my world and using a mobile. I wish there was an edit button, sadly not. It’s a choice of leaving the comment as it is, or deleting and reposting with corrections.
You are right that her miscarriage card has been used to silence her critics. But it can only be used once.
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Yes, she can only use it once re the court case but for now long? She could use it again to suit if it can help counteract criticism/ negative opinions elsewhere. How long can she play that card? How long can she drag this? She might milk it for another 3 months/6 months/a year?
@Raspberry Ruffle
Thank you for saying the BBC is woke. This is very true and it's good you mention it because our overseas Nutties might not know.
@SawmpWoman
Your turkey bone broth and caramel macchiato coffee sound lovely!
Yes! It's very annoying to find (too late, usually) typos/a rogue apostrophe (autocorrect - argh!)/missed word etc. An edit button would be useful.
Has anyone noticed that none of the Harkles' celebrity friends have publicly reacted to the NYT op-ed? Nothing from Oprah, Serena, George and Amal, Gloria, the Fosters, Jennifer Garner or any other celebrity - just radio silence..
Well, as @FrenchieLiv has pointed out, Chrissy Teigen tweeted in defense of Meghan. Though in my humble opinion, calling someone who criticized Meghan's choice to write op-ed a "piece of s***" isn't much of a defense. I wonder if Meghan will be able to leverage this into a "friendship" with the Legends.
"I'm seeing people make this comparison between MM's story and the Steel Magnolias scene all over the Internet. I don't think it matters that Shelby wasn't having a miscarriage."
I guess. It seems rather odd though to keep reading M copied the miscarriage scene in Steel Magnolias when there was no miscarriage scene in that movie. She may picture herself as a young JR. And she may have patterned her essay after parts of that movie. But I personally think the detail of "there was no miscarriage in the movie" matters. Otherwise, we look like we don't know what we're talking about when we keep claiming she copied something from the movie that never existed.
M's piece seems more copied from the 2019 essay Maneki Neko posted a link for earlier. The "stigma," the ordinary day, the first born...
https://the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara.tumblr.com/
Someone mentioned earlier she plans to collect from MoS for emotional distress because of the miscarriage. I'm no legal expert but at best I think she hopes the judge will be subconsciously influenced. No one could argue in court (with a straight face) that publishing the letter in Feb 2019 caused nearly 39-year old M to miscarry in July 2020. Many pregnancies end in miscarriage. Rates go up by age. Psychological stress doesn't cause miscarriage...if it did, we'd not need abortion for unwanted pregnancies or pregnancies where the fetus has a condition that will end it's life soon after birth. Plus I'm not sure she'd want any official legal attention paid to the state of her womb and the truth of her story.
Why do you think Meghan picked July for her miscarriage month? The Harkles' timeline for July is just making everyone more skeptical. Was it really the most plausible time? Is there another month she could have picked that would make her story at least marginally more believable?
"She might milk it for another 3 months/6 months/a year?"
The story appeared in Canada two days ago and then disappeared. People have far more important things to worry about with COVID-19 destroying livelihoods and upending their holiday plans. Give it another week or two and nobody will remember that a certain former royal now living in a mansion in California suffered a miscarriage.
Give it another week or two and nobody will remember that a certain former royal now living in a mansion in California suffered a miscarriage.
If she thought she could ride the Legends' coattails, she miscalculated. John and Chrissy got a lot of attention because their sharing of the photos was so shocking to many. And even people who were really turned off by it will have a lot of trouble scrubbing those stark, raw, black and white (!) images from their memory.
It's laughable that Meghan thinks she can top those with a poorly-written visual cue that has people hallucinating a non-existent scene in Steel Magnolias. (Or perhaps it was her woke message that she thought would carry the day?) But even if she had her own (signature) black and white pictures at the ready, she'd never be able to release them without being compared to the Legends. She's probably upset at Chrissy for getting her photos out first, even though Chrissy was the one who gave Meghan the idea in the first place.
G’night! the Santa Ana winds are wreaking havoc here and causing SCE co. to shut off power in MANY areas......of course my area is the highest targeted but we made it through Thanksgiving dinner before they turned any power off.
leftovers might have to be eaten cold and in the dark tomorrow. I have oil lamps etc so it will be very romantic!!!!!!
Off Topic Alert: Oh, no, Mimi! I recommend that you look at the Camp Chef camping range and oven fueled by propane for all-purpose cooking and baking as well as heating leftovers during a prolonged power outage since it looks as though you will be facing multiple electrical outages in the foreseeable future. Disclaimer: WE don't have the Camp Chef combination because we don't see the need, but friends that do are happy with them. Just a basic two-burner camping stove fueled by a 1-lb. propane bottle would make cooking ever so much easier for you. Plus, it is available on Amazon for under $50. WARNING! SAFETY ALERT: I use these things outside on my patio or porch with lots of ventilation. If you do not live in a single-family home, this is probably not for you, and you may wish to get/keep a denatured alcohol stove for indoor use.
We People of the South can cook pretty much anything on a grill whether it is fueled by charcoal briquettes, wood, or gas. https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/baking-on-the-grill/
For us, oil lamps are too hot to use most of the year, so we make do with LED battery-powered lights. Our generators are used for refrigerators, freezers, and a window A/C unit for comfort.
That is just a short-term mitigation, though. Long term, I'd be questioning myself as to whether I thought that random prolonged electrical outages is a sustainable situation for California and what I can do to improve my situation so as to be less affected. (I have found that when I thought that things couldn't possibly get any worse, events proved me wrong. I believe it is better to be a happily surprised pessimist than an unprepared optimist.)
"Why do you think Meghan picked July for her miscarriage month?"
I think she chose July because there was a period that month when she was out of sight. A short one, but it existed. And she needed the time to be long enough ago if she was claiming to be pregnant again. While technically a woman may ovulate 2 weeks or so after a miscarriage, many women aren't trying again quite so soon. And it would be a rare 39-year old who gets pregnant instantly. She must know people already rolled their eyes at her timing for Archie right after getting married. So she needed a slightly more plausible gap.
"Might milk it for 3 months". I see why you say this, she is very good at constantly reminding us how greatly she suffered from racism/sexism/evil media/ruthless royal family etc etc
But she miscalculated again. The timing is too obvious (FF cooperation and cemetery photoshoot disaster). The hypocrisy is too visible (leave me alone! It must be ME who tells everything about MYSELF!). She may have won some praise from the woke but that's it.
Many women can tell Markle to shut up because they had it a lot worse. I am not going into my private experience here but can say her using this subject for PR made my blood boil.
Markle is a will always be a by-product of the woke culture. If somebody buys into woke they will buy into Markle even if she decided to lecture performing bodily functions in public is a new norm. It will be applauded as "breaking with old stereotypes".
I'm glad someone read the link on Tumblr in the cat with the emerald tiaramin my post :). MM is not known for her originality. I feel the similarities are too great for the details to be just a coincidence.
@Barbara from Montreal
I too hope people have other things to worry about, what with Covid etc. While most people might forget, I'm not sure MM will let us forget. She might resurrect the 'poor me piece' at a later stage if needed - not the story itself but the fact she is is still emotional etc.
Then he started wondering how much time "Archie", if he exists, is spending alone in a crib since our kids rarely slept past dawn's early light but just judging by article, per him, she knows nothing about kids because one does not let a child of that age loose with crayons EVER (unless maybe Harry lost one). He is also questioning what happened to the Nanny, the Housekeepers, etc.
Sources say Meghan wrote the article because Prince Harry (known in print as “my husband”) told her she ought to do so.
You know, the way friends (known as Rachel) told her she was the most trolled person online ever in 2019.
You know, the way other friends (know as MehMeh and Nutjob) told her she is bullied.
You know, the way the Palace (known to her as the uncaring jealous mugs) told her she ought to write a letter to daddy.
You know, the way her friends (known as the invisible young mothers club) told her she ought to be think twice about dating a royal.
You know, I have zero respect for someone so disingenuous (known as lying rat-eyed mean girl bumblecocker) who always pretends others told her the things she makes up herself. She can stand for nothing herself. A malicious little lying, oily snake, she spits out her venom and runs to hide behind a pillar, pointing a bent claw at someone else.
Everyone makes her do something! Everything upsets her and makes her cry! Every on but her wine bottle, pimp and Oprah are so mean to her! Everyone’s out to get her! Daddy abused her, Trevor abused her, Samantha abused her, the royals abused her — only the far old hairy Russian men on yachts were so okay, she didn’t have to ask if they were nicer! Why can’t she be allowed to steal from foundations, send millions in faked clothing bills to her father-in-law, abusively control her husband, throw objects at staff, offend people from other cultures while on luxury tours, order young African mothers sit on a dirty floor, or purchase one baby to get more cash without criticism, and lie about another baby? Why can’t she charge up massive legal bills and gouge the people for tax money! Who cares if the world is plummeted into Covid tragedy? She wants what she wants and we need to watch and deliver her fantasy! She is just trying to live her best life, as plotted by the sick unchecked brain of a spoiled, bitter twelve-year-old, lower middle class California brat who felt she should be queen.
This is not a strong feminist nor a whip smart woman. She is a common, narcissistic little schemer who apparently got through life by hustling, complaining, lying, bullying, sc***ing and dodging all accountability for everything she does, says, puts into motion, or projects. Dead inside, activated only by the smell of cash, utterly self-absorbed, she sits in the Russian financed Montecito monstrosity and is still so angry, jealous of others and inflamed by rage that she isn’t queen of the universe, she keeps shooting porkies off the cheesy balcony.
But as with all people of her ilk, her reckoning is probably being mixed and baked somewhere. And someday, it will be served. The twelve PR staffers and the belittled employee henchman known as Harry had best be aware this game, played at this rate, is a limited gig.
I had wondered the same thing. Certainly, it seems like if she wanted to get *maximum* sympathy points and compare herself to Chrissy Teigen, she would have released this story in the last month. For extra poignancy: "Meghan loses sibling for Archie just days before Thanksgiving!!" We know how deeply meaningful Thanksgiving is to her, since she featured a table photo prominently in the Tig and 3 years later used its celebration as an excuse to bolt from the Royal Family.
I'm sure I can't be the only one wondering where Doria is in this narrative. No distraught phone call to her mother, who could have been there to offer comfort in an hour or less? No words of wisdom from Doria to share? I get the feeling that Doria is as surprised as we were to learn that M had gone though this experience. Meg could have clutched at her mother's wet and clammy knuckles on the way to the hospital, if she wasn't able to be in the room.
With the additional request for 'emotional damages', I'm thinking that the 'July' timeline was intentionally chosen because wasn't it July when the judge was ruling on whether the 5 friends would have to testify and whether their identities would be released? Meg was SO distraught over the potential breach of privacy for her 'vulnerable young mother' friends that the stress and worry caused her to lose her own baby. Because Meg is the youngest and most vulnerable of all, Your Honor!! (Mere arithmetic has never stood in the way of a good story for Meg).
I can guarantee you this is where she's going with this--to get the suit tossed out entirely on compassionate grounds. To further garnish her tale of woe to the judge, she's pregnant again, but understandably cautious after what happened so recently. She cannot travel or have any stress of any kind. She will claim mandatory bedrest has been ordered to safeguard her and the baby until she delivers. Then after her 10-month pregnancy she will need some recovery time.
This would be how M proposes to stage another fake pregnancy, only this time she won't even have to strap on any bumps. She won't be seen at all; we will just continue to get 'updates' on the impending joyous event from Mudslide Manor. Will Meg be able to resist sharing the tidings of a Christmas pregnancy, or will she wait for maximum mileage and release 'news' of her own 'giving birth' in January, to coincide with Eugenie's baby?
There is no depth to which she will not sink, so she absolutely would do this. Beatrice may announce she's expecting any time as well . . more fodder for spotlight-hogging for Markle. How many more magical pregnancies and/or tragic miscarriages can she manage to squeeze in, at her age?
In addition to Diana's birthday and wedding anniversary occurring in July, Bea and Edo also got married in July. Here's an additional knife to twist in to the BRF: You all were celebrating Beatrice's wedding; meanwhile I was suffering the worst loss that can befall a mother! Harry was here too, somewhere . . . Don't we think Markle is still chewing glass over the Queen giving Bea one of her own vintage gowns and use of her own wedding tiara? Now comes Eugenie taking Frogmore Cottage. The York girls are on the ascendant--largely because Markle bailed out, and the Queen seems to have said, "Goodbye, and mind the gate doesn't hit you on the way out. One will not miss your drama, but please kiss Archie for his Great Gan-Gan."
There's been so much water under the bridge in the last three years, and in many ways, it seems a whole lot longer, but today is the third anniversary of the official launch of Meg's Global Con, as she stood like the little Match Girl in the sunken gardens at Kensington Palace in her ill-fitting white summer trenchcoat and dirty streetwalker sandals to pledge her troth to Prince Harry of England. Another day which will live in infamy: November 27, 2017. Compare Harry then to Harry now. Sad, sad, sad. The succubus has drained him of his vitality and obviously of any will to live.
Wonder if this is going to rate any sort of a mention from the PR team? Surely this is a more globally important event than the 73rd wedding anniversary of the Queen.
Indeed, where is Doria In the story? I read it twice through, looking. And then asked this same question too in one of my comments Wednesday. Where is LA-based mum in this tale of M’s sojourn in LA’s only white-walled 1935 hospital? I am sure others wondered as well.
But oh guess what, Hikari? Good news!
A US Weekly article states that Doria is guiding her poor daughter through recovery and healing. She is a tier of strength! Per tabloid site US Weekly. I suppose they read comments and thought “oh %#*&, we forgot to write her in!” — lol.
USWeekly via “exclusively source” also tells us that Prince Charles is checking on them daily! (Now, send more checks, Pa!)
And that the miscarriage happened not early in a pregnancy but a few months along. Everyone, let’s check those May-July photos, since with Archie she had a seven month bump by week four.
Gosh, though,
Wait,
why do I suddenly think maybe MM did all this also to push some timely launch publicity for her mother’s new Delaware-registered, cash-only, home care business........yes, I said it.
Why couldn't it be due to lower vitamin D levels in black women who have to spend more time in the sun to produce the same amount of vitamin D than white women or even Latina women? or maybe due to the fact that there is more stress in black families, even though they might be high income?
why are white people responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world?
like the fact that black and asian people suffer disproportionately from covid? people were blaming that on racism until they figured out that your vitamin D levels decide if you are going to have a serious case or not.
Instead of remaining private as Meghan constantly claims to crave, publicizing the “shared experience of miscarriage” allows Meghan to attempt to connect with and feed off of Teigen, who is also well known as a kitchen queen/domestic goddess who will have her career in cookbooks, food blogging, and related kitchen and domestic products long after her modeling career concludes.
Martha Stewart and the other domestic goddesses of Stewart’s age group won’t be around forever and many younger women would like to take her place. Meghan, who dabbled in this area in The Tig, would likely love to reside at the top of this sector, especially if she and Harry divorce.
Don’t forget that eventually Meghan will write an autobiography that will contain more crap than a sewage treatment plant. I can only guess at the autobiography’s title, but the subtitle and one of the themes that will run through the book will be “I’m the most victimized person in history.”
Because the loss of a child or fertility issues are frequent contributors to divorces, Meghan will use this real or manufactured miscarriage as a reason for a divorce, which will be examined in its own chapter of the book.
If Meghan is already planning her exit strategy from Harry to move to greener pastures, a miscarriage could be as plausible reason for her marriage breakdown as her excuse that the transcontinental marriage to Trevor didn’t work.
Both excuses sound so much better to the public than “I use men to get what I want for myself and dump them when they are no longer useful.”
A US Weekly article states that Doria is guiding her poor daughter through recovery and healing. She is a tier of strength!
In the run-up to the wedding, the biography of Harry's new fiancee called her 'the daughter of a clinical therapist mother and a lighting director father.' Well, there is one person who Meg has not embellished--Thomas is a bona fide DP and has won two Emmys. That is verifiable, unlike so much else about the Raglund-Markle family history and Meg's own incredible list of personal accomplishments. Best as we can find, Doria completed partial requirements to become a clinical therapist, but never finished it. She was at best, a student intern but failed to complete the degree or take the licensing exam. 'Licensed clinical psychologist' Doria was born when Meg set her cap for Harry. It plays better than 'unemployed mother with legal troubles who teaches a yoga class once in a while for free at the senior center.'
We have speculated whether or not she committed financial and/or drug-related crimes that landed her in prison, accounting for an absentee period of some 7 years during Meg's formative years. A jail term has not been proven but financial malfeasance in the matter of her late father's death and subsequent estate are a matter of record. And this woman, with no visible means of support but suddenly flush with cash from a mysterious source is now setting up a dodgy looking home care business based in another state? That's Fishy with a capital F. Which 'felon' also begins with.
Delaware (home state of the Bidens) is some sort of corporate tax haven, isn't it? All of my credit card statements come from Delaware.
USWeekly via “exclusively source” also tells us that Prince Charles is checking on them daily! (Now, send more checks, Pa!)
And that the miscarriage happened not early in a pregnancy but a few months along. Everyone, let’s check those May-July photos, since with Archie she had a seven month bump by week four.
I speculated earlier that Charles may be the only person in the BRF who will take Harry's calls at this point. Paternal guilt and paternal hope and love all mixed together, insuring that he can't cut his kid off as brutally as he should do. I'm sure when Charles and William argue, it's Harry they are fighting about. Harry is Charles' Achilles heel--which the Dastardly Duo knows and exploits mercilessly. Imagine what a tale like this would do to a sympathetic person like Charles. He grew up in a family where all bodily functions, especially of the female persuasion, where never discussed. The Queen is said to loathe even the word 'pregnant'. Even as difficult (to put it mildly) as Tungsten has been, would Charles be cynical enough to disbelieve this story? Especially if she frilled it up for his ears especially . . "Oh, Pa, we are so devastated! It was a little girl! We had only just had the gender scan a few days earlier and we were so excited! We were going to call her Carly Philippa Georgette. Archie won't stop crying; he keeps asking for his 'Ganpa'. She was supposed to be due on your birthday; that's why we didn't call to wish you a Happy Birthday . .such a sad day for us, I'm sure you can understand . . ."
Our Megs is the eternal victim and nothing is ever her fault. I read a psychology article - courtesy of the cat with the emerald tiara - called The Helplessness of Self-Absorbed People and the paragraph called Projections of Blaming Others is interesting. It might explain a few rhings. Here is the link if anyone is interested https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-automatic/202011/the-helplessness-self-absorbed-people?amp
Or the wording, phrasing as "clipped" and as HM might have been speaking.
My mind drifted into thinking how different the two wives are in their speeches.
I've just read your post after posting my previous one where you write about MM blaming the fact that black women have more miscarriages than others. Do read my post at 6.56pm, it might be illuminating.
We thought 2019 was that--at least, that's what her PR said last year. Covid wasn't on anybody's radar then . . I think at first Doria was going to host T-giving at her place, but then decided to fly to Vancouver Island and partake of the Sussexes' First North American Thanksgiving with Baby Archie from there while taking in the wonders of the British Columbia countryside. So glad Meg is doing so awesome . . maybe she'll share how many diaper changes she personally did for Archie on Thanksgiving day between courses and bouts of yoga.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/meghan-markle-prince-harry-had-122700564.html
June 24th 2020
PHILANTHROPY
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Sported Hairnets to Bake with Homeboy Industries
The Duke and Duchess of dough
By Brittany Martin LA Magazine
-June 24, 2020
Pictures of MM on Instagram link are there any pregnancy signs ?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB022BWJH_E/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
So-o-o appropriate!
She looks 3-4 months along (provided it’s not a moonbump, there.... I threw one to you all )...
Idk what happens when you have a miscarriage at 3-4 months. At 16 weeks, do you still get a D+C or a delivery or what? Sorry for the question. I’m genuinely curious.
Google 16 week old fetus images to get an idea of what would happen. Delivery.
In her essay, she did not mention how far along she was (other than saying she was losing her second child) or the sex of the baby.
It was 2020 sucks, I had a miscarriage, George Floyd died, Breona Taylor was in her house not knowing she was about to be killed, many people had Covid and lost loved ones and now everyone is wearing masks so we can’t see each other’s faces, only eyes, so we should ask each other if we are ok because it’s been hard, but we will be ok eventually.......that is basically the gist of it.
`Carly Philippa Georgette' - good royal references but by some glorious coincidence the names also conjure up 3 lady writers of historical fiction: respectively, Carly Schabowski, Philippa Gregory and Georgette Heyer.
So-o-o appropriate!
I was riffing on Charles's names there . . 'Charlotte' was already taken, but Markle likes to copy, so it'd be as close to it as she could get. I'm not familiar with Carly S.
Amazing they had time to plant, nurture and harvest a garden in mere months, with everything they had to lie about. I mean, going on.
@SwampWoman.....ha! Moving yearly to keep enjoying their first ever whatever, ad nauseam. I can see them doing that as well.
Again, re questions above, US Weekly quoted a source saying the pregnancy was not “early” but several months along.
Excellent point re how the NYT essay totally ignoring 'Arry, except for the supporting role his teary knuckles play in propping up his wife's grasping claws while surrounded by those cold white hospital walls.
Just last week, did William and Kate just have a chat re fathers and child rearing with Future Men a UK charity on Zoom?
Meghan clearly shows that fathers (whether Just 'Arry or Thomas) are irrelevant once the swimmers do their job.
I don't believe that there is a stigma attached to a woman who miscarries. As many as 1 in 4 pregnancies don't come to term, probably more as very early miscarriages would probably wouldn't even be noticed. This level may have been higher in previous generations where we didn't have the pre-natal health care and standards we do now.
Also, many women and children died during childbirth or shortly thereafter. I doubt miscarriage was a 'thing' then for that reason.
When I did O-level history, all those years ago, the European Modern stuff stopped only in 1939 (`the origins of the Second World War') a mere 20 years or so before I was put to work on that syllabus.
Time just goes faster & faster as one goes on. 20 years ago now feels more like only 10...
It was a purported letter from the IRS conferring full tax-exempt status to Archewell. Full. Tax. Exempt. Status.
"Odd" I says to myself "I wonder how the Meghansux.com blog got ahold of this little item?"
It looked legit and sadly, I could conceivably know that, having spent some time as a (shudder) Customer Service Rep in the sixth circle of the hell that is the IRS.
I still wake screaming in the night.
Did anyone else catch it? Presumably, an interested donor to the aforementioned "charity" could request a copy of this letter before parting with the dosh. Perhaps H & M were in on the distribution end, having a vested interest in getting their clammy, tearstained mitts on whatever spare cash is floating around.
Oooor, what if the next announced Archewell initiative is all about "removing the stigma, blah blah blah and would you be interested in an Are You Okay© T shirt?".
It would be a pretty good entre into the "good works, all the time" world of the Patron Saints of Santa Barbara (aka as the YvesStLaurentian Order).
Even those two chumps would know not to float their next con on the back of the epic Remembrance Day Disaster of 2020.
It has occurred to me that perhaps the visit to the hospital - if it occurred - was not for a miscarriage but for an abortion.
Also, some people might think that miscarriage is more common among older women, but there are plenty of younger women who have experienced this. It happens for a number of reasons, and some of these aren't fully understood.
Could this be the letter you saw? Found this in the Tax Exempt IRS search:
https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=852213963&name=ARCHEWELL%20INC&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&type=lettersSearch
Says page was last reviewed or updated 20 November 2020
In order to be pregnant, you have to either have sex, or get some fertility treatment.
She doesn't want children, and she and Harry certainly are no longer having sex. She's got his balls in a jar.
Perhaps, but in the case of the Harkles it doesn't look like that one loves back.
"Also, some people might think that miscarriage is more common among older women, but there are plenty of younger women who have experienced this. It happens for a number of reasons, and some of these aren't fully understood."
It's true many younger women do miscarry but the chances of miscarrying given a pregnancy exists rise sharply with age. After 45, there is about a 50% chance of miscarrying a pregnancy.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322634#other-risk-factors
Well, I knew no one was likely to agree with me, and of course death in childbirth is terrible, but ask yourself: you are a Prince and there are two candidates for marriage both equally suitable but one is twenty years old and the other is forty. Who do you choose?
It has occurred to me that perhaps the visit to the hospital - if it occurred - was not for a miscarriage but for an abortion.
I hear you, Opus! If I had a childless son that wanted to marry and start a family and he's going on 36 years of age and, for purposes of inheritance, it is important that they are genetically his and his wife's, do I want him to marry a woman four years his senior (that she admits to) or a woman in her late 20s/early 30s for the healthiest grandchildren? I'm going to have to go with 20s/early 30s woman.
Yes! You would think I would have been able to figure that out, lol. That darn PSTD!
I found the letter, but it wouldnt allow me to open it. Probably expects me to be Up To No Good.
But I'll assume,because the date and the letter are there, that someone smarter than me copied it and shared it.
Thank you!! Its nice to know I didnt just totally make that up.
@Opus, I have seen some abortion speculation as well. If that is the case, using it for drama and pity is as reprehensible as it gets. I put nothing, absolutely nothing, past her, and just that thought shrivels my soul a bit.
I think the reason the "stigma" label has legs is that women seem to feel a tremendous amount of guilt over a miscarriage. In addition to the grief and loss.
We would never blame either parent, yet the "what if's" can be overpowering and persistent when it comes to ourselves.
Didn't Markle say something about Harry's clammy hands and wet knuckles? lol
Although I have dated younger men myself, one of the first things I thought about when they got engaged was that for someone in his circumstances she seemed to be the wrong age.
Also, older women get pregnant less often than younger women, so to say that they suffer a 50% miscarriage rate still means that younger women have more miscarriages.
Not trying to be pedantic, but trying to put things in perspective. Miscarriages are very common and that is why few women announce their pregnancies before the end of the first trimester, no matter what age they are
I always thought that Harry would need a stronger partner than himself, so an older woman didn't seem to be out of place. How much older is still a matter of debate though, isn't it?
Did anyone here really think that Harry would end up with some ingenue? I mean apart from tatty who loves to contradict everyone and everything, even herself.
@JennS
Didn't Markle say something about Harry's clammy hands and wet knuckles? lol
My response:
Yes she did. That's why I said in my post "she does not really include him".
His tear-stained knuckles warranted a mention but he's not included as much as one would expect for the father of a lost child, and I don't think she calls him by name.
Charade pasted the Times article here in this thread if you want to read it. I'm not sure what page though as I just went to check it again and couldn't locate it.
I think Harry experienced the downside of trying to find a mate to fit into it when Chelsey and Cressida didn’t last (disregarding the personality factor for Harry).
As mentioned in previous threads, several people here including myself believe Megan isn’t the cause of Harry untilmately ending up in LA as much as she was the catalyst for that. I think he saw in her a strong woman who dropped the toxic members of her family (his and her points of view) and so he saw in her someone who could help him escape the fishbowl of Royal life.
So, no, Harry was never going to end up with an ingenue.
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I have now read the ridiculous piece in the Times. The longer this goes on the worse the BRF looks. Remove the titles.
I can't believe that no one else besides those who don't trust Markle has pointed out how she does not really include Harry in her Times story. It's so obvious how low on the scale of importance he has become to her. I'm surprised that she didn't realize how odd that could look when talking about something that should have affected them both.
She doesn't really include Harry anywhere.
"many times a miscarriage occurs because of malformations and the fetus isn't viable. These aren't necessarily the fault of the mother, but of the combination of both people's genes, or mutations, or environmental factors like toxic agents.
Also, older women get pregnant less often than younger women, so to say that they suffer a 50% miscarriage rate still means that younger women have more miscarriages."
Of course, you are correct young women get pregnant more often than older women. So younger women have more miscarriages as a group than older women. But given a pregnancy, an older woman is much more likely to miscarry than a younger woman--as much as 4 times more likely. (If environmental toxins are to blame, more exposure with age.)
Same sort of stats for Down syndrome. Increased maternal age IS linked with the syndrome as it is with miscarriage. But because younger women have more children, around 80% of the children with the syndrome are born to women under age 35. That doesn't mean risk isn't higher at older ages--it is.
Perhaps Harry’s essay is next.
Now THAT I look forward to reading!
/MM probably nipped THAT in the bud when she picked up the stray crayon.
@JennS
I always thought that Harry would need a stronger partner than himself, so an older woman didn't seem to be out of place. How much older is still a matter of debate though, isn't it?
Did anyone here really think that Harry would end up with some ingenue? I mean apart from tatty who loves to contradict everyone and everything, even herself.
My response:
At the time I knew of Harry's party animal rep but didn't realize how lost he really was/is. Her age did surprise me since I was thinking in terms of the importance the monarchy placed on continuing the family, whether the heir and spare were already locked in place or not. I had also thought that Harry wanted children of his own. I figured he could have gone with a girl about 10 years younger than Markeloid. I get your point though - a woman a bit older and wiser when Harry was younger may have worked.
I haven't really thought about the age difference as much until lately. Considering everything that has transpired I think the fact that he did indeed marry someone nearing the end of the usual childbearing years is really odd. And yes our contrarian would have expected a perfect ingenue and proceeded to damn-well squeeze whoever he picked into that role!;-)
Is the BRF benefiting off the HAMS keeping HRH?
It's rather strange to me they resigned from their positions in the institution, yet there seems to be familial rules that allow Royal status regardless of the job for life and obligations of duty.
I think it needs to be more clear cut than it is. Any further insight would be helpful.
Harry is an idiot. He has seemed blindsided during the engagement interview, the announcement of the baby, as well as announcent of their departure from the BRF. Meghan didn't just drop her family members, she dropped every friend that stopped filling their purpose for her. Meghan is toxic.
Harry has his issues. Harry is codependent. He might be covertly narcissistic, but I'm waging to guess he's just extremely emotionally stunted (which is how these two ended up together.. their mutual need for attention and control knows no bounds).
They have a lot of the same issues, but Harry grew up in a protective environment. He didn't want to escape his fate. He thought he was marrying a woman who wanted to 'hit the ground running in the BRF.' he thought he found the perfect person to compliment his Royal life.
People complain and riff on daydreaming about having another life ALL the time. This is normal behavior. Harry complaining about Royalty when he had no responsibility is the same thing. Marriage is a responsibility and he has no other way to provide for his family now.
Simplifying this into two people running from toxicity is just not true. It's two people who want attention with massive egos, and one person who knows how to play people (sociopath) and another who is stupid and suffers from abandonment.
I’m going to disagree with you on that he didn’t want to escape his fate, since we know Harry had mentioned on a few occasions before he met MM that he might leave the RF. I suspect when he asked her to marry him, they already had the plan in place that they would end up in LA. I think it’s possible it happened sooner than they both expected.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1344852/prince-harry-royal-family-royal-news-meghan-markle-the-queen-spt
“Harry always ‘wanted out’ of the Royal Family before leaving”
I went back and tried to copy the letter but although it lets me copy, it does not paste. I can save it to my desktop but it is still a tif file that I cannot copy and paste. Try the link I sent again
https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=852213963&name=ARCHEWELL%20INC&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&type=lettersSearch
There should be link labeled FinalLetter_85-2213963_ARCHEWELLINC_08082020_00.tif
This should download at the bottom of your screen.
I think we tend to think of marrying into the royal family as something special and glamorous, not realizing the fish bowl effect and the “burden” of duty and how that would shape a person and a marriage.
I think Harry experienced the downside of trying to find a mate to fit into it when Chelsey and Cressida didn’t last (disregarding the personality factor for Harry).
As mentioned in previous threads, several people here including myself believe Megan isn’t the cause of Harry untilmately ending up in LA as much as she was the catalyst for that. I think he saw in her a strong woman who dropped the toxic members of her family (his and her points of view) and so he saw in her someone who could help him escape the fishbowl of Royal life.
So, no, Harry was never going to end up with an ingenue.
Plus Harry seems to have some unfortunate personality characteristics that would make him unacceptable as a marriage partner besides the whole goldfish bowl thing.