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New post to discuss the Sussex saga

 The previous post has become a bit long, so here's a new post to discuss the Sussex saga.

I'll have a new blog post over the weekend.

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I have never, ever:

Expected to be allowed to wear the grandest tiara of the lot;

Been reported as having been `drunk as a skunk' in either the Great Park or town centre in Windsor - & having to be taken home by the cops;

Been suspected of leaking confidential royal information to the Press from my hidey hole in Nott Cott.;

Invited a mass of strangers to my wedding (at someone else's expense) just for the favours they could do me in the future;

Been accepted into a different church for any reason other than religious conviction...
I wish my emoji’s showed like they used to. :o/
xxxxx said…
Nutty I can tell you are bored and too busy for this blog but keep it going because you can never tell when the misbegotten Sussex saga will flare up. Flare up in major ways down the road. Lots of Meg's generated drama, laughs, entertainment down the road for at least 3-5 years, depending on divorce rearing its ugly Mudslide head. Megs/Hapless legal procedures failing or panning out for gold to pay off their Russian oligarch sponsored mansion.

If the upcoming covid vaccination works out Hollywood might come alive and the M/H free booter fortunes with it. _More drama ahead_

Thanks for all the good comments the last few days. And more on the barnyard animals.
Maneki Neko said…
Found in The Inquisitor (don't know how reliable they are):

'A British radio host has claimed that Meghan Markle is “going crazy” over the fact that she is not receiving much press while Prince William and Kate Middleton have won headlines during their three-day tour of the United Kingdom.'

This is the link to the rest:

https://www.inquisitr.com/6413353/meghan-markle-crazy-limelight
Miggy said…
@Maneki Neko,

They are reporting on the discussion that took place between Talk Radio host Mike Graham and Angela Levin. I tuned in. Neither are fans of Markle.
Magatha Mistie said…

Still catching up
Here’s one for the pot..

The Roast of the Clown

Chickens roasting in the Soho mire
Bunions nipping at her toes
Haz all trussed up, stuffed up to his nose
Merry Christmas So Ho Ho’s 🍗
In the Inquisitor article it states, The talk show host’s comments come just days after an anti-monarchist British CEO claimed that the Montecito-based couple were desperate to stay famous which was the reason behind the duke and duchess’ decision to hire 12 public relations experts to revamp their image...

Does anyone know who the anti-monarchist CEO was? Their comment doesn’t come across as anti-monarchist to me.
@ Raspberry Raffle

It is quite an achievement to have 12 PR "experts" and still screw up at every single step. What, all of them talk at the same time interrupting each other and creating impossible noise?

She does have a true anti-Midas touch
@Fairy Crocodile Raindrop

I know, I thought the same thing at the 12 PR personnel! Lol lol They throw good money after bad for that team, and they still manage to make everything backfire one way or another. You know what they say...too many cooks....

I think the PR team could potentially be more successful, but Megsy won’t take advice and I think she meddles with any good ideas put to her.
Miggy said…
@Raspberry,

"Does anyone know who the anti-monarchist CEO was? Their comment doesn’t come across as anti-monarchist to me."

CEO is Graham Smith

https://www.inquisitr.com/6409018/prince-harry-meghan-markle-desperate-spotlight/

Maneki Neko said…
@Raspberry Ruffle

I must say I didn't read the whole article but I can't believe H&M have hired 12 PR experts to revamp their image! Twelve? Are they sure that's enough? Who's paying? They can't afford 12 PR experts. And I'm afraid all the PR in the world won't revamp their image. You can't polish a turd.
Miggy said…
New Lady C video:

Meghan & Harry's awards/going bust/Andrew Lloyd Webber a neighbour.
@ Maneki Neko

12 does seem a bit far fetched I must admit! Lol Maybe the PR revenues pays for the PR! Lol I think it’s probably the company of one or maybe two. Too true, you can’t polish a poo!

@Miggy

Thank you. Did I completely miss that CEO’s name in the article? Brain tired or just dead! Lol
Miggy said…
@Raspberry,

His name wasn't in the article that Maneki posted. Breathe easy! 😆
xxxxx said…
12 PR people might tie in with the 12 days of Christmas.
MeMe does love her large numbers. She can't have one or two friends defend her, she has to have FIVE. She can't have one or two PR people, she has to have TWELVE.

Other examples of overdone?
Hikari said…
I don’t believe they have an office full of staff any more than I believe they are living in a $14 million mansion or are baking cookies with an 18 month old toddler. A couple of names were tossed around for their PR team, but who in their right mind would go to work for the disastrous duo? It would be career suicide for any future employment in the field, not to mention a very good possibility that they would not see a dime of salary. Tinkle and Dinkle do not honor their obligations and they are certified liars. They may have paid off a couple of unemployed PR professionals to use their names for a couple of stories, but I say there is no “team”. This is all Harry and Meg.
SwampWoman said…
On the first day of Christmas, my PR gave to me....a tree lot with no Arrrrchie!
SwampWoman said…
On the second day of Christmas, my PR gave to me...a Christmas miscarriage story and a tree lot with no Arrrrchie!
SwampWoman said…
Meh, I should redo that second day of Christmas thing; it should be a Thanksgiving miscarriage story. But I believe I should leave it to the professional, Magatha!
Sharon said…
Sharon aka Poddle12 here

I haven't posted in a very, very long time, though I've been following along daily and am so happy to see all the old commenters well and commenting, plus the great new-ish ones like AnT, for instance. Love her dialogues with Hikari, and also with WBBM.

Just want to sneak in here and posit a thought I've had for a couple of years but been reluctant to put forth because of lack of corroborating evidence, but here goes:

Backers, AnT? When Prince Andrew was a student, he spent a semester in western Canada, where he had a relationship with a local girl. A few months later a baby boy was born. That boy grew up to be Markus Anderson, bitter but full of ambition. The young man went from being a waiter in Toronto to London gentlemens' clubs, where doors mysteriously opened for him and he returned to Canada to open Soho House Toronto; and subsequently all over the world. It all culminated in Meghan Markle's miraculous entry into the BRF. When l'affaire Epstein blew up, Anderson seemed to go underground -- but remained in MM's orbit always.

Are any other Nutties intrigued by the possibilities?

Wishing good health and the return of human contact post-Covid to all.
499lake said…
It perplexed me as to why there have been so few sightings of MM since moving to Hollywood and Montecedo I thought we see sightings of her every week were the paps not interested or she didn't pay them enough? Or was she living somewhere else?
Would like to know what others think..
Hikari said…
Sharon,

The tantalizing possibility that Markus Anderson is the secret love child of Prince Andrew has been circulated by others. By all accounts, it was at Peterborough College where PA Earned his nickname of “Randy Andy”. But if he’s Markus’s biological dad because he spent some time in the same town, By that logic, Andrew could be the ostensible father of every baby born in Peterborough within a year of his visit.

It’s not impossible, but I would think that a son of prince Andrew, even if he were born on the wrong side of the sheets, might have had even bigger opportunities than growing up to become essentially a pimp in a chain of celeb whorehouses. He certainly found his level, but perhaps if he were half royal and this could be proven, he might have been groomed to be somewhat more. He looks absolutely zero like Andrew. If he hasn’t been heard from lately, it’s because he performed his function in arranging the introduction to Harry, and possibly taking care of any “Arrangements“ for that date. And then whatever role he played in getting his protégé into the RF. It’s his proximity to Meg rather than any Imagens proximity to Andrew via DNA that has done this. And then Mugsy went and tossed it all away...All their plotting down the drain.

Andrew is extremely antagonistic towards Meg, but I always chalked that up to her having crossed paths with him on the yacht circuit Or in the Epstein circles. Meg seemed to be acquainted With those people… If Ghislaine Maxwell herself, she was very chummy with two girls who are very chummy with Maxwell. Or his animosity could be down to just the Really Shitty Way, Meg has treated both of his daughters, rather than a more um intimate acquaintance with Madam or her shifty procurer.
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Hikari said…
@499lake

I’m going to toss out “Doria’s couch” as a possible crash pad for Meg and why there is so much secrecy surrounding her whereabouts.
lizzie said…
@499lake wrote:

"It perplexed me as to why there have been so few sightings of MM since moving to Hollywood and Montecedo I thought we see sightings of her every week..."

I think COVID has made a difference as there have been official shutdowns and unofficial business slowdowns. And unless people are out and about going to restaurants, shops, the beach, farmers markets, and so on, isn't LA pretty much kind of a car town? And while I may be totally wrong, I don't think Montecito is much of a stomping ground for tabloid photographers. I also am not sure M is of much interest. (And for a time it seemed we saw her every other day on some idiotic Zoom call or in "charity" photos taken by her own photographers.)
@SwampWoman

Don't give up! The first day of Christmas was great. Perhaps fellow nutties can help out?

The obvious one is five friends (can't think of how to phrase it).



SwampWoman said…
Blogger MustySyphone said...
@SwampWoman

Don't give up! The first day of Christmas was great. Perhaps fellow nutties can help out?

The obvious one is five friends (can't think of how to phrase it).



Five imaginary friends! or Five lyyyyying friends!
SwampWoman said…
Re: Meghan's invisibility. I think it could be that if she leaves off her bronzer and puts on a blonde wig in an "I want to speak to your manager" style and a pair of sunglasses, she becomes just another b*tchy white woman and can drive anywhere in, say, a Honda, don her face mask, and shop at Whole Foods in complete anonymity.
KC said…
 Wild Boar Battle-maid said...

I have never, ever:

Expected to be allowed to wear the grandest tiara of the lot;

Been reported as having been `drunk as a skunk' in either the Great Park or town centre in Windsor - & having to be taken home by the cops;

Been suspected of leaking confidential royal information to the Press from my hidey hole in Nott Cott.;

Invited a mass of strangers to my wedding (at someone else's expense) just for the favours they could do me in the future;

Been accepted into a different church for any reason other than religious conviction.


This probably goes for most of us here.

Never have I ever even worn a tiara, let alone fixated on the grandest one.

Good night from here!
`Six wigs a-flapping,
Five friends a-blabbing...

...and a Crown Roast for Anderson and me.' ?
Maneki Neko said…
Stuck for ideas for your Christmas dinner menu? The DM has regurgitated some recipes that Meg's graciously shared with the peasants in 2015 for 'a festive spiced cocktail and maple glazed potatoes'. Whether the recipes are her own is a moot point. Should you be interested, as well as learning styling tips, you can read all about it by clicking on this link (by the way, I only have it a very cursory glance so may have missed a few gems).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9040249/Meghan-Markles-favorite-holiday-recipes-resurface-ahead-California-Christmas-Harry.html
Graham Smith is CEO of Republic - yep, he's anti-monarchist and always ready with a dig, it seems.

Yet he has inadvertently made a Monarchist statement - I'd have expected him to to be egging Megsie on in her `modernising' efforts.

Wonderful irony.

Jess said…
They’re still together. Everyone was giving them 6 months. I think this site is / was wrong and needs to admit it.
DeerAngels said…
I should have on 1st post said a big Thank You to all the great people here. The comments positively help so many during these trying time's. The history, insights and awesome funny stories. These are precious gifts.

I feel the recent positive press may be the results of the long game 🎯 by the RF. Since HM made fake jewels just for the Clamp to wear, the 5 gold rings are probably made from fool's gold.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ Jess

When Wills married Kate the whole bishop (or even archbishop) was caught saying he would give them no more than 7 years. He later apologised.

It is not possible to predict how a marriage would develop. The point is Cambridges work together for a life-long commitment, and it makes their marriage stronger.

You are right that people got it wrong that Sussexes would stay together for six months, that is true. And I personally would never wish divorce upon anybody, this is horrible.

My only wish as a long suffering UK taxpayer is for Harry and his wife to finally follow their own preaching and live the private life they demanded. May be this is what they need.
Miggy said…
New video for WellChild Awards from Hazza.

https://www.wellchild.org.uk/awards/
D1 said…
New Harry Markle

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/harry-harkle-prince-of-snowflakes/

KCM1212 said…
@swampwoman

You've got your 12 PR folk!
KCM1212 said…
"Prince Harry said, “The children and young people of WellChild are at the very heart of this charity because you guys just know who you are and don’t pretend to be anybody else and because of that you inspire every single nurse, every single care giver, every single mum, every single dad, every single sibling. And outside of the WellChild community as well you are inspiring people every single day.”

Wait, what?

Prince Harry said, “The children and young people of WellChild are at the very heart of this charity because you guys just know who you are and don’t pretend to be anybody else and because of that you inspire every single.....

He is one silver-tongued devil.
AnT said…
@Miggy,

Thanks for that link.

The things struck me as I am sure they did you: he joined the call 30 minutes late (what possible excuse? Still not clear about time zones? Had to pick the lock of the basement door? Had to beg for studio time, since forgot the Russian Chequebook?

Next, he said gosh he hadn’t seen them in 2 years and barely recognized him. Um..** (see below). Then he was stumbling, not much to say but awkward obvious questions until he finally seemed to warm into being a little more on point and old, Meghan-free Harry of the ELF days.

And while one articulate young woman was talking about positivity and do-able positive actions, I was thinking, “Do you hear this wise humble girl, you spoiled pouting lout?” She goes on (thru the multiple edits) to note that people have made positive efforts not because life was easy, but because they worked with what they’ve got....her voice had a bit of a Priti Patel snark drawl at that point, on “not because life was easy” — probably nothing intended but, oh, I looked closely to see if his face was tinged with shame.

He is still a whining, b**chy lawsuit-crazy spoiled brat in a mansion, nodding and playing chummy as these people talk about real, serious life challenges in a most cheerful way.

....I just cannot stand the way he will do this performance piece and then go right back to being a little self-pitying punk.

** Was this not that past awards where Harry seemed to break down on stage, laughing and weird and basically praising his own good fortune to have a healthy child? In fri t if these true young heroes and their devoted sacrificing families?

Positivity indeed. More like an embarrassing appalling mess. Also, that was just a year ago, October or November 2019. Two years, Harry? Try, one, What little involvement you have had, you big lazy nitwit. What have you accomplished?

But yah, they applaud you for doing shite little, coming on late to spout your lazy pat dribble. You clearly lack motivation to do more. And sadly they prob know you are a balky cow, and so are satisfied with your late, weak crumbs.

His lack of preparedness for the call....his assumption the peasants will delight in his mere scruffy presence on the set of a California living room...ugh. I gave up watching.
Fifi LaRue said…
I think that there hasn't been any photos of the Harkles simply because their photos don't sell to magazines. Their photos have never sold. Nobody in Montecito cares about them because the Harkles has zero influence, and zero personality. They are boring narcissists.
KCM1212 said…
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/meghan-markle-most-popular-royal-23150179

Well, this is silly, but we know how its going to be bleated about.

Markle is (barely) the most "popular" "royal".

The data was collected using, among other things, internet searches.

Notorious is not the same as popular. I wonder how much this cost her overall.

But it does sort of justify the insane PR (at least in her mind)
Martha said…
AnT! Thank you for your wonderful diatribe! Made my morning.
What do we mean when we express doubt as to whether they are `still together'?

Officially, yes, they are.

There's been no formal separation nor mention of divorce - but, even so, it doesn't necessarily mean they are living under one roof, living their lives in relation to each other, each working for the other's good as much as their own. This is what we speculate about.

Are they in a genuine relationship or, like so much else we pick up on, is it just pretence?
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Happy Camper said…
Hi All,

People magazine has a online article about another minor actress who married into the royal family. Search:

people.com Sophie Winkleman Opens Up About Going from Acting to Royal Life: 'Prince William's Been Heaven'

The Two and a Half Men actress joined the royal family when she married Lord Frederick Windsor in 2009
Interesting that Meghan never sought advice from Sophie Winkleman, an actress who was a minor cast member of Two And A Half Men, who married Lord Frederick Windsor, son of Prince Michael of Kent. They married in 2009, so I’m sure she would have had some beneficial insights into making the transition from Hollywood to the royal family. Sophie seems to have made the transition quite nicely.

But then, Sophie actually intended to live the life she married into instead of intending snatch (feel free to use both definitions of “snatch”) and grab a royal title and make her way back to Cali asap.

But Sophie and her husband are farther down the royal food chain, so perhaps Meghan thought a lowly “Lady” couldn’t possibly have any valuable advice for a woman marrying a prince.
Hikari said…
@jess

Everyone was giving them 6 months.

I predicted 3-5 years. 3-5 years within the Firm, before she'd bolt, with a hefty divorce settlement. They exceeded my wildest expectations, really. Less than half of the lowest end as a working royal. We've only just passed the 3-year mark of their engagement (seems like 10 years sometimes with the amount of drama we have endured), but '6 months' is about right if we put together all the consecutive time she actually 'worked' as a Royal, apart from vacations, other 'breaks' and a pregnancy that exceeded all human gestational records.

My hope for both the Harkles in this new year is that they receive all the happiness and joy they so richly deserve, and are paid back tenfold for all the kindness and generosity they have shown so readily to others since they've been married. If they stay married until death do them part, that means that no one else need ever intrude upon the transcendent marital bliss they've found with each other.
Maneki Neko said…
@Puds

Thanks for the DM article. I saw it this morning and immediately thought of Harry. I didn't read it but will read it now. I hope he reads it and starts thinking.
Hikari said, @jess

Everyone was giving them 6 months.

I predicted 3-5 years. 3-5 years within the Firm..


Only I saw within the DM comments peeps only giving them 6 months. I gave them 2-5 years and a minimum of 18 months. I think it would have been foolish to only say 6 months, I don’t think the royal family would have tolerated that and at least made them wait.
Hikari said…
@RR

If the Queen had compelled Harry to wait until October 2018 for the wedding, she might have derailed Meg's whole con. As it was, Harry stole the spring wedding date away from Eugenie and Jack, who certainly would have married sooner, having been engaged for some year-and-a-half already, had Harry not cut in line, due to his higher precedence.

I would have thought a great deal better of Hazza if he had graciously made way for Eugenie to have the spring wedding she had initially planned. Meg's plan absolutely relied upon rushing him to the altar before anybody really got to know her. Had she been obliged to be engaged for a full year and/or the Queen had declined the huge wedding spectacle in such a rushed time from, or at all, I believe Her Royal Madam would have buggered right off.

Alas, t'was not to be.
Catlady1649 said…
I have to agree with AnT and Puds.
Now we have seen the real Harry I think it's both.
Miggy said…
Beautiful photos of Wills, Kate and the children this evening...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9044435/Duke-Duchess-Cambridge-George-Charlotte-Louis-attend-West-End-pantomime.html
jessica said…
Their speeches prove they have nothing to add and nothing to say. I’m not sure who would hire them to show up and stand there and look pretty because neither are attractive.

Nothing to add,
Nothing to show,
Nothing to do


jessica said…
Also, Disney and the rest have announced their massive lineups next year. Not sure how Meghan and Harry’s borefest will continue to dominate the paid news media past this year. They really will fade into oblivion.

She could always divorce him and write an expose. I have a feeling that will be her big ‘out’. It will make her a lot of money and she can then truly discard the RF. Harry, as an asset of hers, is not very bankable or exploitable.
xxxxx said…
@Hikari

Before the wedding Harry was more relaxed about when it would take place. I am 100% positive that it was Megsy who rushed it along and was delighted (in a narcissist's way) to pull rank and push Eugenie and Jack aside. Megs wanted to get pregs ASAP. She wanted her anchor baby, insurance policy, meal ticket ASAP.

A further money calculation was to invite all these Hollywood celebs who Megs wanted to work with once she arrived with Hapless in Los Angeles. Transactional is Meg's middle name.
Enbrethiliel said…
The Cambridge Christmas card is out! Prince Louis steals the show, as usual.
Elsbeth1847 said…
I finished most of FF ...

(what a concoction of how wonderful and perfect she is, um could be difficult for a divorce but JH comes off as trying to move heaven and earth to help her in her time of distress).

Puds' post about cults and cult thinking/responding. It mentioned black and white thinking, good versus evil, us versus them and "loaded language".

In the book, the "old guard" palace were referred to as "vipers" (page 301) and royal rota were "the cartel" which an unnamed source likens as dangerous and a death wish (page 310).

When I ran across that in the reading (before the Puds post), I was thinking: gosh, the problem with labeling someone/kid/pet (especially if it has negative connotations) is that it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy where now every action they do/don't do has an emotional charge to it which may not be there.

I learned all kinds of things such as her due date (April 28th).

more later ...
Enbrethiliel said…
@Hikari
They may have paid off a couple of unemployed PR professionals to use their names for a couple of stories, but I say there is no “team”. This is all Harry and Meg.

I don't think there's a proper team, either. But they've definitely worked with some people who called in favors to get them the TIME 100 gig and the NYT op-ed. It can't have been worth it for those others, though, which is why we see less and less of it over time. I imagine many calls from Meghan go directly to voicemail these days.

This is why I highly doubt we'll see them produce anything for Netflix. They might be able to twist one last arm to get themselves credited as producers on something appropriately woke. But if they actually tried to create something, it would make the Duck Rabbit video look like an Oscar-worthy masterpiece.

If Meghan had been hoping the miscarriage story would generate organic interest and bag her some new interviews, well, it certainly didn't work out. Either the media are still happy to give her more privacy than she gives herself (whether out of real respect or sweet schadenfreude) or they figured out when we did that she plagiarized the most heartbreaking passage in it and that few other things add up.

I'm still waiting for the promised "Christmas soiree" with the Fosters. It will be interesting to see if Katherine McPhee is still willing to play ball after Meghan's stunt at her party.

If that fails, we might soon hear about Prince Harry's new struggles with alcohol (due to estrangement from his mean, horrible, racist family and then the miscarriage of his second child). Meghan might actually get some mileage out of Harry going to rehab.
Pantsface said…
So MM has been taking a very low profile as of late although we've seen too much of Hazza - reasons why? Is she low profile because of the court adjornment and has to to support her case, whatever it was. Only things in press regarding her are regurgitated Tig articles, bet she's spitting feathers!
Pantsface said…
lovely pictures in the DM of the cambridges and children attending a good old British pastime - the panto! Let's see what the Sussexs do :)
Enbrethiliel said…
@Pantsface
So MM has been taking a very low profile as of late although we've seen too much of Hazza - reasons why?

Your guess is as good as mine! At first I thought someone had pointed out to her that Prince Harry is still the true draw -- or that someone had convinced her to reduce her appearances in order to make them seem more special. But Meghan has never listened to experts before.

Wouldn't it be funny if she were actually also making videos, but the media that is sharing all of Prince Harry's new stuff is absolutely refusing to spread any of hers? For the sake of her privacy, of course!
Pantsface said…
@Enbrethillel I'm sure she is a force behind the scenes, but I'm thinking she has been hoist by her own petard, can't do anything public because of her delay in the court proceedings
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Pantsface said...
@Enbrethillel I'm sure she is a force behind the scenes, but I'm thinking she has been hoist by her own petard, can't do anything public because of her delay in the court proceedings


Yes, I can see where it would be difficult to be out strutting about doing things when she is too ill to go to court.
Mimi said…
i am thinking frog cott is not fit to live in. It needs MAJOR...MAJOR rehab to make in inhabitable. It probably should be torn down and rebuilt, but that would cost millions of dollars.

It is next to a disgusting noisy frog lake and have very little privacy and the ghosts of past residents in their backyard! Do they really want to spend all that money on a place that probably has rodents running around, etc! ewwwwww!
Happy Camper said…
Raspberry Ruffle said…
Hikari said, @jess

Everyone was giving them 6 months.

I predicted 3-5 years. 3-5 years within the Firm..

Only I saw within the DM comments peeps only giving them 6 months. I gave them 2-5 years and a minimum of 18 months. I think it would have been foolish to only say 6 months, I don’t think the royal family would have tolerated that and at least made them wait.

@ Raspberry Ruffle, Hikari,

I first became aware of Meghan when I saw a news story about them buying a Christmas tree in December 2016. I read that she was an American actress, but I had never heard of her. I didn’t even give it that much thought when I saw Meghan’s “She’s Just Wild About Harry” Vanity Fair cover in the grocery store. I still gave it little thought.

But then when I saw the BBC engagement interview, I immediately saw how she dominated and controlled Harry and I thought, whoa, Harry’s marrying a narcissist.

From that time to now, I have been following their relationship, because like many here, I think Harry is the victim of a person with a profound case of narcissistic personality disorder.

The problem with marriages to a narc is that they can go on for decades, if not a lifetime, which is a tragic waste for the victim of the narc.

The Daily Mail article about cults also describes being sucked into a relationship with a narcissist, except it is a cult of just two people. One is the leader and the other is the obedient cult follower.

Search: how relationships with a narcissist are like cults. There are some well-written non-clinical articles on the web about this parallel.

I think the Sussex marriage will go somewhere between 5 to 15 years.

As some here have noted, Harry is actually the one who holds the true power in their relationship, but he has relinquished it to Meghan. So as long as he allows himself to be under her thumb, he has no power. He has to take it back, which unless there is an intervention or traumatic event of some sort (such as he catches her cheating on him and he is publicly embarrassed, he will remain the subservient member of their marriage.

If HMTQ doesn’t strip them of their titles next year, I think they will continue on. If she takes the titles, it may hasten a divorce.

The other factor that would likely break them up is money problems due to Meghan’s extravagant taste, materialism, and overblown senses of entitlement and grandiosity. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up in incredibly deep debt.

No matter how much of anything a narcissist has, it is NEVER enough. They are insatiable. Meghan will spend every dollar they make, plus all of Harry’s inheritances and far beyond, leading to financial problems.

Charles might bail them out, but if William has anything to say about it, the Sussexes won’t receive any more money.

It will be interesting to see how long they last. Because Harry is a prince, it throws a factor into their relationship that could keep Meghan hanging around for life.

But I worry that Harry could end up with a life-threatening drug problem and leave her as an untouchable, “professional widow” who spends the rest of her life weeping crocodile tears while feeding off the corpse of Harry and to some extent, Diana too.
xxxxx said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9045467/Princess-Eugenie-husband-Jack-Brooksbank-mysteriously-QUIT-Frogmore-Cottage-just-six-weeks.html

Yup Frogmore abandoned once again. I think it was ghosts, though I don't believe the ghost of Anne Boleyn walks there, "With 'er 'ead tucked underneath her arm"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQErY55m8vo
xxxxx said…
The cottage was a retreat for Queen Charlotte and her unmarried daughters.[6] A personal secretary of Queen Victoria's, Abdul Karim, moved to Frogmore Cottage in 1897 with his wife and father.[8][9]--- Wikipedia

Queen Charlotte... And today we have a rambunctious princess Charlotte. The BRF is into recycling.

Abdul Karim was an interesting character who was brought back from India as a curiosity of those Empire times. He was somewhat of an advisor and exotic guru to Queen Victoria. There is more on the internet about him.
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Anne Boleyn's marriage to Henry VIII lasted a little under 3yrs 4mnths (if my maths is correct) so that would take us to about September next year...

My guess had been that she'd stick being a royal in the UK with H for 2 yrs and then bolt to California, with title and baby, to be a box-office wow and a wealthy divorcee. I thought, however, she'd leave H behind...

Whether Prince Charles extends the funding after Jan 2021 remains to be seen. Will he give them an ultimatum to come back and pull their weight? If they refuse, would he cut the funding or continue to pay through the nose?
Anne Boleyn's marriage to Henry VIII lasted a little under 3yrs 4mnths (if my maths is correct) so that would take us to about September next year...

My guess had been that she'd stick being a royal in the UK with H for 2 yrs and then bolt to California, with title and baby, to be a box-office wow and a wealthy divorcee. I thought, however, she'd leave H behind...

Whether Prince Charles extends the funding after Jan 2021 remains to be seen. Will he give them an ultimatum to come back and pull their weight? If they refuse, would he cut the funding or continue to pay through the nose?
Happy Camper said…
Pudd said....But, Megan's need to copy people both in word and dress puzzles me, on the one hand she seems very over confident but on the other she lacks personality and borrows from others. When she is with friends she will copy that persons style, hair, manner, work. There seems to be more to it than trying to fit in. I can't work out if she copies deliberately or takes on someone else life believing or fantasising that the dress, style, manner, work, actually come from her, or is this just another way to insinuate herself into someone else's life and then take over. Need to do some reading on this.

@Puds: Remember that people with narcissistic personality disorder are, at their core, vapid, empty vessels overflowing with jealousy and anger, which is why people such as Meghan lack personality of their own and spend much of their time mimicking and copying others.

I have read that Meghan is not a very good conversationalist, especially at spontaneous small talk unless she is essentially regurgitating what is language copied from others, which is a narc behavior that indicates she has little true substance within herself from which to
draw.

Narcs can be exceedingly charming and alluring, but it is only a replay of a well-practiced facade they turn on — much like choosing a record from a jukebox or a song from a playlist on your phone. Narcs are emotional chameleons who can assume whatever persona is needed for each situation they encounter.

This is why in addition to the attention they crave, many narcs go into acting — they can assume a personality and be someone else.

One might say that non-narcs do this, which is true, but at the heart of a non-narc’s behavior, there is the presence of an element of a true self, i.e., the bedrock of your personality. For example, if I’m at a job interview, certain aspects of my personality will be emphasized that are likely not going to be front and center if I’m at a family gathering, but there is still a continuous thread of me going through both situations.

Being an emotional chameleon is how Meghan ensnared Harry. She thoroughly studied Diana and Harry and presented herself as Diana 2.0 when she finally met him after two years of stalking him via networking her way into the circles in which he traveled. Narcs are usually experts at reading people, and because Meghan knew Harry’s history and vulnerabilities, she knew exactly which buttons to push. He was easy prey for her.

But Harry became enthralled with a shiny, sexy, mommy with benefits shell who drew him into her cult at breakneck speed.

Narcs always eventually unmask themselves to reveal the empty vessel full of rage, meanness, self-centeredness and an endless list of negative attributes, which Harry probably started experiencing shortly after the wedding.
jessica said…
If Frogmore was Eugenie’s temp home for renovations at Kensington Palace, Meghan’s PR of privately gifting the home to her is hilarious.

If it’s a sign Harry is moving back in with Meghan, it’s scary.

My bet is on Harry and Meghan catching the news via family that Eugene moved in a couple weeks after the fact, and quickly put out the ridiculous PR that they left into the night and allowed Eugenie to rent Frogmore privately from them. Meghan was clearly very worried about what the public would think!
Nelo said…
Or could it be that the palace used it as a ploy to get the Sussexes belongings out of there and shut the door on them?
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Acquitaine said…
"Miggy said…
@Maneki Neko,

They are reporting on the discussion that took place between Talk Radio host Mike Graham and Angela Levin. I tuned in. Neither are fans of Markle."

The change in tone and open dislike for Harry from Angela Levin is interesting. Did she always feel this way, but had a book to sell? She was granted access to harry for a year by the palace in order to write a sugary positive biography of him and held that positive line for about a year or two afterwards.

When Megxit happened, her line was that Harry was under the influence of Meghan who she was clearly a bad influence.

12mths later she's on the Harry is just as bad as Meghan train. And goes on any media that will give her airtime to trash them.

The funny thing is that no one has ever asked her about the syncophantic book she wrote about Harry prior to his marriage.
Acquitaine said…
@Raspberry Ruffle said…

"Does anyone know who the anti-monarchist CEO was? Their comment doesn’t come across as anti-monarchist to me."

I think the Inquisitor is an American publication, no?

That's why Graham Smith is referred to as 'anti-Monarchist CEO' where in UK he is referred to as 'Republican CEO".

Republic are an organisation that campaign to get rid of the monarchy. They are not Republican in the American party sense.

They frequently flag up ergregious royal behaviour particularly in the matter of tax funding and privileges. Recently they reported Harry to the charity commission regarding transfer of funds from Sussexroyal (a charity) to Travalyst (a commercial company)

This is their website: https://www.republic.org.uk/
Teasmade said…
It's been several weeks since either of our pair has been reported on in the Saturday morning-published "Air Mail." But here is "The Duke of Substance: Prince Harry offers a cure for climate change from his nine-bedroom mansion, in California" by Stuart Heritage is a Kent, U.K.–based Writer at Large for AIR MAIL:

America has done strange things to Prince Harry. Once he was simply a hard-drinking, Nazi-dressing, naked pool-playing minor royal. But now, thanks to the bizarre new video he made to mark the launch of WaterBear — a service called somewhat redundantly “The Netflix for documentaries” — it’s clear that he has now gone full California, cramming his vocabulary with an endless barrage of empty faux-profound psychobabble. “What if every single one of us was a raindrop?” he asked at one point. If you want to talk like Prince Harry, and you definitely do, here are some tips.
Be Slightly Meaningless
Apart from the raindrop line, the best thing that Harry said in his speech was this: “Being in nature is the most healing part of life, I truly believe that’s one reason why it’s there.” Because while it may sound good in the moment, on closer inspection it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. A good exercise is to use this blueprint to describe other things around you. Try saying: “Drizzle is the most empowering form of precipitation, I truly believe that’s one reason why we have a sky.” Or: “Bananas are the most holistic food in the shop, I truly believe that’s one of the reasons why we have shops.”

Be Inspirational
Don’t be interesting. To be interesting is to possess a distinct personality and a compelling worldview. Being inspirational, on the other hand, is a far easier proposition. The quickest way to be inspirational is to simply describe everything around you as inspirational. Activism is inspirational. Nature is inspirational. Your shoes, in the right conditions, have the potential to be inspirational. What do these things actually inspire you to do? Nobody knows, and that’s the beauty of it.
Teasmade said…
California part 2

It’s clear that he has now gone full California, cramming his vocabulary with an endless barrage of empty faux-profound psychobabble.

Be Energized
Again, please don’t confuse being energized with being enthusiastic. For example, try to imagine Gwyneth Paltrow being enthusiastic about anything. It’s impossible, isn’t it? Nevertheless, she is perpetually energized. Sunrise yoga makes her energized. Smoothies make her energized. Wellness makes her energized. Next time you feel enthusiastic, try to be a bit more bland and wan, and you’ll be well on your way.
Talk About Raindrops
We really do have to address this. “What if every single one of us was a raindrop, and if every single one of us cared?” may be the most perfect line ever uttered by a human being. It works as an inspirational quote you could put on Instagram. It works as something you would embroider on a cushion. It works as the first line of a genuinely terrible folk song. What does it mean? Nobody knows, and that’s what makes it so perfectly Californian.
Ruin Common Phrases
Have you heard the phrase “actions speak louder than words”? Of course you have. But that isn’t Californian enough for Prince Harry, who during his speech chose to rephrase it as: “For me it’s about putting the do’s behind the say’s.” Again, this hopeless New Age word salad is easy enough to replicate. Instead of saying, “Honesty is the best policy”, try “For me, it’s about putting the trues behind the falses.” Instead of “Attack is the best form of defense,” try “For me, it’s about putting the goes behind the stops.” Instead of saying, “Silence is golden,” say, “For me, it’s about putting the nothings behind the somethings.”
Have Almost No Real Responsibilities Whatsoever
This is the big one. If you really want to live in an uplifted cloud of energized Californian inspiration, it seems the best way is to have lots of free time, a fat pillow of disposable income and no proper job to speak of. In this regard, Prince Harry was born to be Californian.
Mel said…
Narcs always eventually unmask themselves to reveal the empty vessel full of rage, meanness, self-centeredness and an endless list of negative attributes, which Harry probably started experiencing shortly after the wedding.
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Judging from the look on his face during the wedding I think he had started to experience that before the wedding.
Sandie said…
I needed to take a break from the Harkles but am now intrigued by the strange stories about Frogmore Cottage.

If I remember correctly, there was a comment from BP about the story that Jack and Eugenie were moving in to FC, and it was something like that FC remains Harry's home in the UK.

Was this a fake story, and, if so, who planted it?

The removal van photographed on the Windsor Estate could have been transporting artworks and other valuables from BP to the newly built storage facility on the Windsor State.

No one actually saw movers arriving or leaving to pack up the Sussexes' belongings, supposedly at the dead of night.

The story that Jack and Eugenie made a private deal with the Sussexes and the Queen and her staff were blindsided by the move was always suspect. Why would Jack and Eugenie disrespect the Queen in such a manner? If indeed they did, have they now been evicted? I doubt the Queen would treat her very pregnant granddaughter in such a manner.

The story about the luxury accommodation for Jack and Eugenie's security staff was completely absurd.

Could Meghan have planted a fake story to prove the DM 'have it in for her'?

Now, to catch up with the excellent comments above ...
Enbrethiliel said…
@JennS
I like your analyses!

E&J hated living there and beat a hasty retreat. Problem with this theory: They would certainly have looked the property over before moving in and would have already heard any possible excessive noise/etc. I doubt they would cause a problem like this

Well, there's one thing they might not have been able to see when looking the place over . . . Could Frogmore Cottage possibly be haunted???

My own problem with this theory is that Princess Eugenie is well positioned to have heard any and all ghost stories about the place.

But to me it's less likely that they moved out because a ghost proved too much handle than that they never moved in to begin with. Yet why would the DM run a false story? Sources can be mistaken, of course, but that's what fact-checkers are for. And this would have been a pretty easy story to check.

Something very strange has been going on with FrogCott and the supposed renovations. The public was misled about what was actually done to the cottage for the Harkles. The DM knows something is off about the story and may actually know the entire truth. They are playing with the Harkles/the RF and the public by dropping these false stories of new residents moving in and out of the cottage. Part of the lawsuit originally included stories the DM had written about FrogCott. The judge did not allow them under the privacy/copyright suit but that doesn't mean the residence is no longer a bone of contention.
Problem with this theory: Would the RF really allow this mess to happen? I thought the original plan for FrogCott was to fix it up so all 5 apartments were fully usable for castle employees.


I agree that the tabloids have done enough digging to know the full story by now (just as they know the full story about Archie Harrison); but why play this game with the Harkes or the BRF? What benefit would they be getting out of it?
lizzie said…
Given that Eugenie grew up in Windsor and PA still lives there, I think Eugenie would have known if FC was thought to be haunted. And if that bothered her (not sure it would bother me), she wouldn't have moved there in the first place (assuming she actually did.) While the idea of haunting often arises when older buildings are discussed, given the large number of staff who have lived in FC over the years, I doubt any haunting of FC could have been kept a secret.
The noise isn't from the occult - it's from aircraft. As had been said, Eug'd know that already.
Miggy said…
@Teasmade,

I really enjoyed reading that article by Stuart Heritage. Made me chuckle.

Thanks! :)
KCM1212 said…
Great commentary in the DM re: Frogmore


CrazyWorld, Global, Tonga, 10 hours ago

The ghost of Harry's self respect was howling at night in the hallways

Sorilea, Aiel Waste, United States, 10 hours ago

It was the ghost of Harry's manhood haunting them

Surfseeker, coastline, Jersey, 10 hours ago

Rumour has it there's a poltergeist at Frogmore Cottage which throws cups of tea at people. They've named it Meghan.


Acquitaine, That's why Graham Smith is referred to as 'anti-Monarchist CEO' where in UK he is referred to as 'Republican CEO".

Republic are an organisation that campaign to get rid of the monarchy. They are not Republican in the American party sense....


I am aware of the difference, I’m British and know we call anti-monarchist, Republican’s etc. ;o)

I was asking why the magazine thought the comment was anti-royal because I didn’t think it read that way.
Miggy kindly gave me the name of Graham Smith, I have heard of him but they didn’t name him in the article, tis why I asked. ;o)
Acquitaine said…
@Sandie said…
"I needed to take a break from the Harkles but am now intrigued by the strange stories about Frogmore Cottage.

If I remember correctly, there was a comment from BP about the story that Jack and Eugenie were moving in to FC, and it was something like that FC remains Harry's home in the UK."

BP never actually confirmed that EJ were moving to FC. BP responded no comment to any and all enquiries and i think in one instance they said it was a private matter.

The Harkles' PR astro-turfed the media with responses that came from them, appeared to come from the Palace, told us it was a sub-let arrangement, they were happy to share FC, it was still their residence etc etc.

The media then added more layers to the story by photographing a moving/ storage van at Windsor and on the lane to FC with a speculative implication that it was EJ moving in. Btw, the new storage facility is very close to FC so a moving/ storage van travelling in that direction isn't out of place, but the media implied it was EJ.

I think we should give this story a 6mths gestating period because the details are so muddy it's hard to tell where the truth lies especially when the Harkles are astro-turfing the media which is also adding more mud.

We'll know for sure next year.

@Raspberry Ruffle said...
"I am aware of the difference, I’m British and know we call anti-monarchist, Republican’s etc. ;o)" apologies for assuming you were American :)
Hikari said…
It seems there is very little we can be certain about in the saga of FroggyCott, but I think we can definitely rule out ghosts.

I continue to be flummoxed about how little transparency there has been regarding the renovations to this sizable building in Windsor which it’s not some tiny insignificant dwelling in the woods conjured up by the word “cottage”. FroggyCott Is a substantial building close to public access. It was allegedly renovated largely with public funds. So why is everything surrounding this house so mysterious? This is super in Junction extend to residence of Windsor casually talking about witnessed work being done on site in social media? We had a Windsor resident on this board at one time, who said she routinely walked her dogs in the area. She didn’t see anything or anyone to indicate that A young family had moved into the cottage after a massive renovation project. The whole thing stinks.

Is this tale of Jack and Euge Moving in all an elaborate blind? Signaling to the Harkles that they are finished and never welcome to return? Trying to appease public sentiment of outrage by seeming to show that a young family was indeed going to get use out of the newly renovated home? All of this talk of removal vans pitching up in the dead of night, And young expectant mothers driven out of a new home by shadowy forces sounds like a John LeCarre novel. Why all the secrecy around this house?

So there are a few possibilities I can think of that do not involve the supernatural:

1. The cottage is uninhabitable because the renovation work was never begun or is only half finished having been abandoned when it was clear the Sussexes would never live in it. J and E Never moved or intended to live there and the stories are lies told by unknown persons for unknown reasons. Their current home would be adequate to their needs until a larger place could be prepared. Lots of young couples with a new baby manage with less than three bedrooms.

2. The couple did move to FC, But perhaps some problem was discovered that needs addressing, like black mold or water damage that is just now coming to light that the building is actually inhabited. Perhaps the renovation materials like paint or carpeting we’re giving us fumes that the expectant mother is especially sensitive to?

Whatever is going on, it feels kind of dodgy. I don’t understand why we can’t get straightforward information about this building. It would be nice if Frogmore could get some love And be useful again, either for Eugenie or as staff apartments. The level of subterfuge surrounding this building is as mystifying as that surrounding Archie.
@ KCM1212

Poltergeist throwing tea at people - thank you! This made me laugh during a pretty dull day.

"Poltermarkle - an especially bothersome supernatural activity, always manifesting at the worst possible time (most typically amidst happy gatherings of people), accompanied by loud whining noises, banging of the doors and strange media activity. There are well documented cases of the phenomena during private flights and in African luxury campsites, as well as in historic buildings typically related to the British royal family. The most aggressive instance was documented in Australia, where it resulted in levitation of a hot kettle and even a reported minor trauma. The only defense is to ignore it totally, as any attention paid to manifestations will make them worse. This activity is known to be resistant to religious rites, as representatives of at least two major religions - Judaism and Protestantism - discovered. There are still disputes if Catholicism failed as well, or simply didn't have a chance to try. Avoid places where it manifests.
Teasmade said…
The guys at DataLounge suspect rats (actual, not metaphorical) in the walls at FC.
Enbrethiliel said…
@HIkari
It is very, very dodgy. I'm sorry that Princess Eugenie and Jack got dragged into it.

When news of their moving into FrogCott first broke, my initial reaction wasn't very positive. I wished that the Queen could have "rewarded" an actual dutiful grandchild with something better than a property pre-tainted by the Harkles. But then I rationalized that FrogCott has a long history predating the Harkles and that it might have some very positive associations for Eugenie that we wouldn't know about.

And now it seems that the story wasn't even true.

In that case, why did the DM report it? I agree with @JennS that the media probably know the entire truth about FrogCott -- not to mention ArchHarr -- and are just not reporting it. If they were able to dig those stories up, then they would have been able to fact-check this story. Does this mean they were deliberately misled? Is this new story their way of retracting the false story without actually apologizing -- which they can do with impunity because, apparently, BP will just say that everything is "private" and choose not to comment?

I have a feeling we haven't heard the end of this weirdness.
abbyh said…
Frog Cott

What if JH was talking with his cousin and offered to let them stay there (maybe short term while something was happening at IC) and MM did not like the idea of letting them live rent free or thought the amount was too low?

Or someone else in the family got irked at the image of Eug using a cast off of MM?

Or ... the whole thing was a set up by JHMM + PR to see who would bite and how hard?
Sandie said…
For those with an interest in tarot (and just scroll past those who are not):

HRH Royal Tarot did some readings on royal babies (great for entertainment and easy to check accuracy of a reader!):

https://hrhroyaltarot.tumblr.com/post/636523876226105344/royal-baby-update#notes

HRH Royal Tarot also did an updated readings for the Sussexes. She gives a lot of detail about possible meanings for each card. If you just want a straightforward interpretation, then it is a lot to wade through. If you want to try your own intuitive interpretation, it is useful to have details about each card and its position in the spread.

https://hrhroyaltarot.tumblr.com/post/636520075147575296/harry-meghan-update?is_related_post=1

QueenTT also did an updated tarot reading for the Harkles, but a quick one rather than one of her long detailed readings. QueenTT has always seen Meghan leaving the marriage and Harry being gutted. That energy has changed. I disagree with her that Meghan feels guilt about all that Harry has given her and is thus trapped in the marriage. I see no evidence of her caring about how she treats others. I also disagree with QueenTT that both the Harkles are romantically involved with other partners, although I could be persuaded that somehow they could sneak around and not get caught! However, this tarot reader is remarkably accurate ... Here is the reading:

https://talkingtarot.tumblr.com/post/636690797548437504/hi-tt-are-you-going-to-pull-any-cards-about-mms

QueenTT also pulled some cards for royal babies ...

https://talkingtarot.tumblr.com/post/637173040461053952/hi-tt-could-you-pull-some-cards-on-the-royal

Sandie said…
@Fairy Crocodile Raindrop

Your description of the phenomena Poltermarkle is sheer brilliance! Also spot on!
I once had to move into a hotel after Mice (rats?) took over my walls in my first Manhattan apartment. It was a horrible experience. They scream, climb, scratch, but the screaming is the real issue especially in the dead of night. I recall waking up and looking over at my husband and said, "enough." I packed my bags right then and checked into a hotel nearby. So, yes that theory seems like it could hold weight.

I think the Media may have misunderstood what was happening with Frogmore or were desperate to point out that Meghan and Harry officially do not live there (i dont think they ever did). Regardless the overall point has been made: Harry and Meghan are no longer residents of Frogmore. When that occurred or how is irrelevant. The BRF is making clear indication of complete separation from the Harkles.

Meghan's PR has proven she doesn't know a thing about Frogmore and is always positioning herself in a better life station than she is. Forget facts, as for Meghan perception is everything.
Not MM, it was likely rats. Don't ask me how I know. Mice scratch and run around but are pretty quiet. Rats are like a loud, vocal, out of control free-for-all of destruction.

The whole Eugenie and Jack moving out thing strikes me as odd. The whole thing strikes me as odd, like I'm not sure I even believe they were ever there in the first place. Could the report of E&J moving out be a backtracking by MM? Like E&J were never there at FC, and MM got caught out on that?
lizzie said…
I've never had to live with a serious rodent infestation, just a mouse here or there that my cats usually took care of. But if FC had a problem, I'd have thought it would have come to light when it was renovated or during the 6 months or so H&M supposedly lived there.
xxxxx said…
It sure seems like ghostly visitations and rats in the walls made them flee. I am 100% positive of this, the way Frogmore was so quickly abandoned by Jack and Eugenie. And all the contradictory stories about anyone living at Frogmore. Maybe this about rats and ghosts will pop up in the DM comment section and get spread around with the Christmas cheer.
Do we have any confirmation Jack and Eugene moved into Frogmore, at any point in time?

We don't have any confirmation that Meghan and Harry ever lived in Frogmore. If they did live there, and it has been sitting empty for a year due to Canada and California moves then the rat theory makes sense.

I don't buy for one minute that Eugenie and Jack struck a private deal with Harry over Frogmore. That doesn't make any sense. What 'rich' cousins who have access to many homes across the world would invite one another into their personal life (new family business like a baby) that way and let the other party decide/grant them a home? It just doesn't sit right from the off. Bad PR.

So, either E and J moved in or didn't. I'm thinking it didn't happen, since the only thing we've heard about is Meghan's reactive PR of 'moving out' and it was probably in reaction to Harry's private family conversations and her fear of getting in front of the 'Meghan and Harry are finished with the BRF, and don't live in Frogmore at all' their way. Their way was 'we are having E and J pay rent to us'. I wonder what the BRF PR thought of that chess move. lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never heard of another PR association between Frogmore and Harry and Meghan again. I think that story is now played out and over. As for what's going on with the building itself; it is anyones guess at this point!
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Crumpet said…
More trolling from the tabloids. This time, the Daily Express.

Remember the most shiniest, most funniest, bestiest ever Christmas present given to HM, according to some sources.


A hamster (no, not Harry) on a pull string was given to the Queen for her prized pooches.

Well, apparently the toy did not survive its first Christmas season in 2017, but was "mauled" to piece by the corgis.




Sandie said…
Vogue has a photo essay on some of the jewelery from the royal vault that Catherine has worn. They give the history of the piece and details on who else in the family has worn it.

Catherine, Camilla, Sophie (married to rather than blood royals themselves) all get to wear the fabulous jewellery, and not only for state dinners.

Not Meghan!

That just struck me when I was going through the article.

She probably holds a grudge because of that. Did she not put out the story that the royal jewelery was 'not her taste'? Sure Jan!

https://www.vogue.co.uk/fashion/gallery/duchess-of-cambridge-queens-jewellery
AnT said…
@Not Meghan Markle,

I'm with you. What evidence do we have that they (Eugenie and Jack, in this instance) ever moved into Frogmore? I doubt H ever lived there with M, or it was prepared for a baby. And why would a very pregnant Eugenie even want to be moving in and out of different houses/residences, especially this time of year?

Also: Eugenie going behind the Queen's back forming a deal for a house that is not the actual property of the Harkles? No.

I like your theory of them trying to get ahead of the true story, or, "a" true story.

Maybe they were thrown out and items removed. But for Harry's tax purposes, M felt they had to pretend to still "have" this house address, and their items were removed for "renters" -- sort of peasant thinking by Duchess Queen Princess Meghan,
since as you point out, there are other places available to a Princess, than the weird abandoned home of a disgraced cousin,

Here's my other pet theory: this story was a set up for the whole miscarriage NYT article.

NOV 20: "H&M hand keys of FC to pregnant Eugenie and Jack per sources, reports, etc. (We are such lovely people to pregnant Princess! Pregnant!! And oh, H & M still OWN FC, public peasants, so they will charge rent since they paid bills there, hey listening, mortgage bankers?

NOV 25: Meg's plagiarized miscarriage tale hits the NYT. Poor Megs! So kind! Pity her, Chuck, give her money!

DEC 12: Eugenies and Jack "move out".... (because no one kept talking about kind Meg's phantom miscarriage, and Charles said he was cutting the monthly allowance since they said Eugenie is paying them rent. Whoops!!! Or maybe, Harry was told by Eugenie between Nov 20 and yesterday to stop the talk. I don't think E is that close to him anymore, as long as he with Megs. I think the "closeness" is a cover-up from M's PR to make it seem ONE royal likes her and Harry, But seriously? I doubt there is anything the two women have in common, Eugenie seems like sunshine and flowers. Megs, the dark side of Pluto. Plus, Eugenie and her parents would be wary of angering the queen at this point.

My guess is it never happened, like the Strange Tale of Baby Archie. Meg's warped pointy little mind thought she was going to get points for being so kind to a pregnant royal after her own horrible plagiarized tragedy. It didn't work.

One more of the odd lumpy fables of invisible doings from the twisty but common mind of 13-year-old bitter, attention seeking school girl Rachel Meghan Markle.




@Sandie

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8785699/meghan-markle-queen-bans-diana-jewellery-kate-middleton/

I knew I had read this somewhere!
AnT said…
Also, may I add, now that we have seen the new Cambridge Christmas card photo, on the heels of the couple's lovely train tour and the entire Cambridge family attendance at the pantomime, I think the next 14 days will be an intriguing display of more Harkle stumbling failures and desperation.

My guess, since I don't think they live in a manion or have a baby with them; I am about 50/50 that they are even together:

a. No card, no image
b. Card with a plagarized quote about the terrible world - digital of course
c. Harkles want a private quiet family holiday and went to a remote retreat in a mountain home (Kardashian-like) hat is Russian owned and for sale. We may see a photo os a snowy palatial mountain home, and old photos of pre-wedding H&M in knit hats
d. Harkles want a private quiet family holiday and will sped it in secret with Doria
e. No Archie photo. No family photo. No family video: Megs is still in mourning, such a difficult time

This will be an interesting week or two. Have your hot chocolate or buttered rum drinks ready with the popcorn!
Maisie said…
@AnT
"But seriously? I doubt there is anything the two women have in common, Eugenie seems like sunshine and flowers. Megs, the dark side of Pluto."

Might I suggest Uranus instead? It is the seventh planet from the Sun, an ice/gas giant with the coldest planetary atmosphere in the Solar System.
Maisie said…
Cont...
Walked away and thought, 'that might be misunderstood'.

Comment not directed at anyone other than the vacuous gasbag formerly, none too soon, known as the Duchess of Sussex.
Martha said…
JennS. Yes,, absolutely! I often wonder what brilliant ideas they purloin from this blog. I have noticed (unable to give an example right now) that when points, remarks are made here, that they have been put to use in some manner by the deceitful one.
AnT said…
@Maisie,

Your point on Uranus v Pluto is well made. Uranus it is. Official planet of the Duchess of Sussex.
Ralph L said…
How much traffic does Heathrow have right now? Do they have a nighttime curfew? National Airport across from DC had a 10:30pm curfew when I lived a few miles south.
@AnT

oh my. The jokes that came to mind having the Duchess of Sucksex being the patron saint of Uranus (and salad tossing)
Mimi said…
Their titles could be....Their Royal Anus’s (not sure about how to spell it....too lazy to look it up)
Crumpet said…
@MustySy, AnT and Mimi

Re Uranus.

So, that would be the Duke and Duchess of Dumarse, then.
Magatha Mistie said…

Little miss Megxit
Saturn her exit
Eating her avo on toast
Along came a gromit
On the back of a comet
And gave R’Uranus a roast
AnT said…
@Musty, Mimi and Crumpet,
I adore you. Thanks for the chuckles.

@Maisie, maybe we should have stuck with Pluto!? Lol

@Ralph, Good question. In Mid-November, the Telegraph reported that there are still a “significant” number of flights going through Heathrow. No idea how it is now, though.
Jdubya said…
Have you seen this blind item reveal from CDAN? I'm not sure what to think of it.

Blind Items Revealed #5
December 5, 2020

This week, this former A++ list politician publicly showed just how close his ties are to the family that financially supported/supports the busted up sex cult that saw its leader be sentenced to a very long time in jail. On a side note, it is also interesting that this member of the family who was befriended for years by the alliterate one when it benefited the alliterate one, no longer speaks to the family member at all.

Barack Obama/Bronfman/NXIVM/Keith Raniere/Hannah Bronfman/Meghan Markle

AnT said…
@Magatha,

You are incredible. I love it. You are the Megxit Poet Laureate. I don’t know how you do it. Sheer genius. Save all of these!

PS- I learned earlier today that the new big trendy toast dish is Japanese pizza toast. Sauce, generous mozzarella, pepperoni and green peppers on milk bread toast or other fluffy white bread, toasted. Do you suppose M knows? (Perhaps this is the test to see if she reads here.)
Jdubya said…
Another CDAN blind about E's moving out of the cottage. I was thinking, maybe all the publicity and H&M was contacting them giving them a bunch of crap about it, is the reason they said the hell with this, we're out. They were in the middle and didn't want to be. I can imagine the phone calls, texts from H&M if, in fact, H&M were blind sided by them moving in originally.

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2020
Blind Item #8
The $10K a month rent thing demanded by the alliterate one and her husband didn't go over well. It got to the point where the family war was going to spill out in the open. So, the newlyweds were forced to move out or have family secrets exposed.
Magatha Mistie said…

Cheers AnT

Japanese pizza toast,
sounds Sirius’ly good 😜

AnT said…
@Magatha!!! Lol! [*applauds*]
Magatha Mistie said…

Tinsel Town Tunes

Once in rural Monte-Cito
Stood an ugly big homestead
Where a *mother left her baby
With a nanny, so she said
Megsie was that *mother viled
And Archie is her supposed child

*yet to be confirmed






AnT said…
@Jdubya,

I honestly think the wigged one has her 12 PR people (aka Rachel with Hotmail account In their/her LA apartment or Soho suite) sending in concocted tips to try to sound more in control than she is.

For example, this blind suggests the house is theirs to rent out. And that M has lots of ugly royal juice she could spill. Or that she will sell to Netflix if they don’t keep giving the Harkles more money, or let them keep the titles and FC. (It has crossed my mind recently that the titles are just as gone as FC.) In this light, the content of the blind would be both threat and warning, gossip and blackmail.

It is above all crass. This is my clue that it is a Meghan production. Again, the vicious, unhappy, sour-minded preteen bully, threatening the quieter girls at school...

Seems it is long past time that someone called her bluff. Seems like all the blogs, tumblers, and twitters are doing the research work, doesn’t it? But, I assume that if we have an idea of things, the BRF must know infinitely more. I wonder if together, W&C, plus Sophie and Anne and Zara, and one York girl, would be sufficient voice to get the Queen’s ok to tip the tables.

AnT said…
@Magatha, I imagine that poem would give Megsy the shivers, if she reads here. She knows many of us know....
Magatha Mistie said…

AnT I believe the RF, DM etc have all the dirt,
just waiting for the right moment.
Her past, and present, that was conveniently wiped
can just as easily be “unwiped”
The RF are known for the “long game”
just frustrating for us waiting for the dirt to pay!


xxxxx said…
Jdubya said...
Another CDAN blind about E's moving out of the cottage. I was thinking, maybe all the publicity and H&M was contacting them giving them a bunch of crap about it, is the reason they said the hell with this, we're out.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2020/12/blind-item-8_12.html


I like this comment-
Lillibet • 7 hours ago
As if they don't have mountains of dirt on the alliterate one and as if it isn't already starting to seep out underneath the floorboards...

***** This sounds downright ghostly to me
Magatha Mistie said…

Sort of O/T but relevant in the scheme
of all things Megs.
The summer following H&M wedding,
Will, Kate, Zara, Mike, Peter, Autumn
and children all went on holiday together.
Camilla holidayed at the seaside
with her grandkids.
H&M visited Charles at Birkhall.
Says it all!!
She was never liked, nor trusted,
from the start, by anyone!!



xxxxx said…
Eating her avo on toast
Along came a gromit
On the back of a comet
And gave R’Uranus a roast


Good one Magatha! Who was the first w posted about Uranus something?... All in Christmas time cheer and mirth when the skies are darkest before the Winter solstice, which amazingly is coincidental enough with Jesus's birth/
JennS said…
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Magatha Mistie said…

@xxxxx
As they say
“Don’t fear the dead, it’s the living we should
be wary of”
The floors seeping,
and the walls are weeping!
Justin Welby ministering deliverance, hahaha!
Crumpet said…
So, Nutties,

So, slightly off topic.

What do you think of the recent investigative report by the DM into the Prince Andrew/Pizza Express/Maxwell/Virginia incident? Does it really tell us anything new about Andrew, other than he had a manicure appt that day?



xxxxx said…
Crumpet said...
What do you think of the recent investigative report by the DM into the Prince Andrew/Pizza Express/Maxwell/Virginia incident? Does it really tell us anything new about Andrew, other than he had a manicure appt that day?

Every day Prince Andrew wants to see as many Megs/Hapless stories in the UK Daily Mail as possible. DM is so influential on Royal matters that the mass TV media steal from them and take their lead from DM.

If Boris Johnson has any brains he should have his staff monitoring the DM comment section. We know Megs/Hapless look all the time, they have lots of time due to the LA lockdown which was just enhanced by the gruesome twosome mayor and governor.
Crumpet said…
@xxxxx

Totally, agreement. Who needs focus groups when there is the DM comments section?! I think that is how I ended up here!

For sorry for the real princesses. Between H&M, Fergie, Andrew...constantly getting bad press, I am sure they must look back and just wish for the good ole days, when it was their hats or frumpy dresses that made the news.
JennS said…
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Magatha Mistie said…

@Crumpet @xxxxx
DM comments have long been seen
as a gauge for “Middle England”
The RF/media, are known
to peruse the comments section to get a feel
as to what the country is feeling.
Comments are proven right most of the time.
Magatha Mistie said…

@JennS

I remember the poster, her sister was bullied
by madam M.
She said she briefly met her once,
when she picked up her sister.
If she had more to tell I’m sure she would
have spilled the beans, or means 😉
Spanner said…
Salad Tossing... I know MM's burger grilling and her word salad endless meaningless mashup spewing from a thesaurus, but what is the reference of Salad Tossing about?
Thinking of the solar system with regard to MM, I wonder if Charles ever feels like the father who received a letter from his son's expensive independent school announcing that the fees would be going up to `£XX,XXX per anum'?

He is reply was to say he preferred to pay through the nose as usual.

@Hi Megsy! R U OK?
There are definitions of `salad tossing' online but you need a strong stomach - it could put you off your breakfast...
JennS said…
This comment has been removed by the author.
Magatha Mistie said…

@JennS

She posted what she had to say,
then left.
I disappear sporadically, life gets
in the way of Megsie.
Glad you enjoy my prose 😊
Magatha Mistie said…

@Spanner

Better you never know,
tossed salads & roasted chickens!!
Magatha Mistie said…

@WildBoar

Charles be buggered, the fees go up annually!!
I know!!!
JennS said…
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JennS said…
This comment has been removed by the author.
Magatha Mistie said…

Sad to hear Barbara Windsor
has died.
“In and Fling”
Happy Campers!
Loved her giggle!
Maneki Neko said…
@Ralph L

Yes, Heathrow has a night time flight ban:

There are two time periods: 11:00pm–7:00am and 11:30pm–6:00am both with restrictions on certain types of aircraft.

Overall, the airport was much quieter in the summer, in fact demand dropped by 81%.

That said, Eugenie grew up at Royal Lodge, which is in Windsor Great Park, and she would know about aircraft flying overhead. Perhaps she's used to it.
Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha

'I disappear sporadically', sadly for us but I hope you have a life and your days are not taken over by thoughts of MM!
Thank you for brightening our days.
Sandie said…
@xxxxx

My take of the DM investigation on the Andrew/Virginia scandal is that both parties told stories that are not believable. IMO:

Virginia was basically working as a prostitute under the cover of being a masseuse when she got enmeshed in the life of Epstein. She was not an innocent corrupted by him.

She may have been under age initially, depending on in which state or country they were in, but she probably looked a few years older and thus Ghislain never bothered to check, and her and Epstein were so arrogant that they did not think they needed to be careful.

By the way, I do not blame Virginia for working as a prostitute from an early age. Every man who used her services had a choice and made the wrong choice. However, I do think she is a fantasist.

Andrew has no one, including his daughter, who can verify his alibi that he was at the Woking Pizza Express and then at home with his daughters when Virginia said she was with him. Post Falklands War there are photos of him drenched in sweat when he said he had a medical condition that made him unable to (not in the article, but an indication that he is not telling the truth). However, many people can truthfully testify that Andrew does not drink alcohol and is an awkward dancer who does not often dance. Also, the night club was stalked by the paparazzi every night because it was a celeb hangout, yet, there are no photos of Andrew there that night or Andrew with Virginia.

The photo of Andrew with his arm around Virginia is odd because it was taken upstairs, where the bedrooms and bathroom are. Why would they have been up there? Yet, the bathtub, and indeed the bathroom, are way too small for the scenario that Virginia tells, under oath, in graphic detail.

What I do find very odd about all this is that Andrew is being targeted when there were a number of men who were involved, and there were men and women who were close enough to Epstein to witness that he was surrounded by young girls and yet they said and did nothing and continued to associate with him. Ironically, I think the only prominent person who distanced themselves from Epstein was Trump!

Meghan and Harry have no talents that can earn them the huge amount of money they need to live their grand lifestyle. They are very susceptible to being caught up in something shady with someone shady. Surely Harry's family realize this and are worried? Andrew was in the fold and had access to staff and security that could have protected him at every level from an Epstein, and look what happened to him. Is this why BP keeps using the word 'private' as they refuse to comment? Do Meghan and Harry realize just how vulnerable they are?
Magatha Mistie said…

Maneki, thank you, you’re a darling X
Happily, my days are not taken over by
she who should not be named!!
You have championed me from
the start.
Much appreciated 😘
AnT said…
@Magatha,
I imagine stuffed hard copy files, and a belching devoted server containing all that the DM and others know about. Your imagery of the FC floors beginning to heave as they allow the seepage of secrets is undoubtedly apt.

I didn’t know about the RF group holiday that did not include the Harkles. Wise move on the part of the royals. They probably knew from Catherine about M’s creepy attempts to secretly photograph the children, and that she was selling tattle to any buyer. She also seems boring, was already arrogant, delivers those sociopathic gazes, and had chopped Harry’s friends from the wedding reception. Maybe Foundation theft rumors or stories about Angela Kelley were already thick on the ground with her pushing the Rose rumors. I think most of us know what it is like to be in he presence of someone exceedingly unpleasant or somewhat sociopathic; she is several levels lower. They fled that sort of experience by holidaying without the mean, pouting newlyweds. Good on them.
Maneki Neko said…
@Magatha OT

Thank you. I remember my first comment to you, although positive, was worded wrongly and gave rise to a misunderstanding. I only realised when another poster told me and was absolutely mortified (I did apologise!).
You're very good at ridiculing MM and showing what a small person she is.
AnT said…
I said sometime ago that I think MM may have backers. If I add that to the intense focus on Andrew in the Epstein scandal, rather than on other high profile types, I put on a tin tiara and find myself wandering toward a conclusion of someone wanting to destabilize the monarchy, to disengage hearts and minds from traditional Britain and British values. Then, it is just a valuable land mass with disillusioned people, and easier to take over as a business center and change to a new way of thinking.

Sweaty panda Andy becomes the weak link that can be more easily exploited than a direct tarring of the beloved old Queen. Perhaps sending in an Epstein-Andy playmate to do more digging.... I don’t know. Since she’s a head case, it didn’t go smoothly and she took out the wrong royal, Harry. Because she instantly squandered/threw away/fled the lap of royal luxury, something more is going on than meets the eye.

The fact they don’t work and continue to have large funds to blow on PR against the royals, particularly future King William and his family, and are also spending wildly on lawsuits to curb freedom of speech, could suggest something more nefarious than a dumb gold digger. This newest double blip of odd stories about Eugenie and Andrew....I am not sure I always believe in mere coincidence.

If MM planning a big holiday press assault on the BRF/Andrew, due to anger over title loss or checks stopping, that’s one thing. But, I still smell the stench of backers somewhere in this tale of woe.
Magatha Mistie said…

AnT. “Belching devoted server”
Powerful! Wonderful!
Seeping floors,@xxxxx
not mine.
I claim the weeping walls!
SwampWoman said…
Sandie and AnT, I am firmly in your camps and have been since the beginning. I even asked "cui bono?" about all of this about the same time that Nutty did.

I would like to revisit the reappearance of Virginia after her "retirement" from the profession (ostensibly because she needed a big dose of money). Somehow she doesn't seem to fear sharing Epstein's fate of "suicide". I then started wondering about why she wouldn't worry about her personal safety or her family's personal safety. She potentially knows *extremely* personal details about men (and women) that exist in the shadows. Then I start wondering about whether she is doing this of her own accord.
Stephanie_123 said…
Just a quick post regarding Meghan reading the DM comments:
From my personal experience — my mother was a raging narc and, sadly, my husband’s brother was married to one for ten years — narcs never forget and never forgive. I’ve often thought the Royal family truly did not know how to deal with a Meghan when she first arrived on the scene. And, how they handled her initially only created a larger problem. For example, readers here and in the DM comments have posted about the subtle digs of giving Meghan the car that they did on her wedding day and giving the couple Frogmore Cottage. While some speculated that the meaning of those things would have been lost on Meghan, she would have read about their meaning in the DM comments — and she would have been infuriated.
Meghan was angry enough to mail back sweet, doting Trevor’s rings when she no longer needed him. And, according to one of the biographies released this year, it was because he did not put her into a couple of his movies or promote her for some other roles she wanted. This would be normal behavior for a vindictive narc.
Imagine her anger at learning she had been the butte of a public Royal Family joke, or two or three of five... Trust me, she will still be spitting fire about those insults today. Her rage at losing her money-making scheme Sussex Royal would have been truly “incandescent”... ;-)
Meghan will hold a lifelong grudge against the RF. And, if they divulge info about her years prior to Harry or if they let loose with Archie’s true origins, she will sling everything she has against them. What terrible secrets could she have? Who knows? But, narcs will also lie, lie, lie when they feel threatened or attacked. She would try to shred the entire family.
Narcs also move on when the going gets rough or a better opportunity opens. Is money running low at the Harkle house? Are new opportunities to make money drying up? Is Meghan bored with Harry and his needs? Perhaps Meghan has been so quiet of late because she is working on securing husband #3/4. Montecito and the surrounding area would be a rich hunting ground.

The Royal Family can only hope...


Girl with a Hat said…
doesn't anyone wonder how they can afford the 12 people who reputedly work for them at Sunshine Sachs or whatever other agency is handling their PR these days? That's quite a bit of money for people like the Sussexes who have no visible means of income. I doubt Harry would want to spend his trust money on this type of exercise when he has to pay some type of rent or mortgage, and other living expenses.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@ Stephanie 123

Interesting insight. Essentially because narc is divorced from reality, isn't capable of logical action and can't esses the situation critically. Sounds right to me.

I share your view that royals could not deal with somebody like Megsy, so they cut her and Harry loose. And she declared the war on them, UK, Commonwealth, the army, the President of the USA, anybody who doesn't share her views, the media and her own father. Sounds just right again.
SwampWoman said…
Girl with a Hat said...
doesn't anyone wonder how they can afford the 12 people who reputedly work for them at Sunshine Sachs or whatever other agency is handling their PR these days? That's quite a bit of money for people like the Sussexes who have no visible means of income. I doubt Harry would want to spend his trust money on this type of exercise when he has to pay some type of rent or mortgage, and other living expenses.


I wonder! Either the whole thing (mansions, PR professionals, etc.) is a big old wheelbarrow full of bull excrement smoke and mirrors, or there is somebody providing money. Who is paying for all these specious lawsuits? I don't know that they have the money.
A few Nutties have said Megsy’s been quiet of late? Didn’t a few fellow Nutties also think Megsy’s possible miscarriage was part of her story for delaying the trial in Jan? If she continues to be out of the press, I think it’s looking more likely this is her excuse for keeping quiet....she has to keep up the façade and it must be killing her. Though it’s not too late for her to pull a Christmas stunt to try and get one over on the RF.
@GirlwithaHat

I've wondered about the money thing for a long time as well. I think the 12 PR people is really one or two and SS has simply inflated the number to make Grip and Drip sound more important than they are (which isn't hard to do).

If they truly have a mortgage then monthly expenses also include:
mortgage
taxes--state income tax, federal income tax, local tax, property taxes
PR people--how many and how much?
legal fees--how many lawsuits, how many barristers, nobody working for free/contingency here
assorted business professionals--someone who advises on financial matters, setting up charities and foundations, tax loopholes, make sure monthly bills to professionals are paid, etc.
paid article placement--as Nutty pointed out once, it is easy to buy space in Good House Keeping, Marie Claire, etc to place an article you or your PR wrote and pass it off as news
agents and managers--how many and who books all these (ridiculous) zoom "performances"
household help--possibly a chef or meal service (I can't see Grip and Drip cooking 3 a day 7 days a week), maid service (don't think JCMH knows how to sweep a floor or scrub a WC), housekeeper/personal assistant--someone has to do the grocery shopping, run errands, pay the power bills, etc
nannies--how many? two? don't think either parent does much so at least two (unless Doria works for free)
security personnel-- how many normally, how many more for a pap walk, etc
beauty treatments -- plastic surgery, dental work, trainers, nutritionists, etc

Have I missed anything?
AnT said…
@SwampWoman,

We are in agreement over their wheelbarrow load. And, there are profitable small companies that couldn’t afford a staff of 12 semi-costly marketing professionals, plus a fancy PR firm, right out of the gate.

Add the lawsuits and mansion too, and cosmetic surgery and fees to be on a speaker’s list, and everything’s coming up porkies.

Harry hasn’t that much in pocket. Charles can’t spare that much (unintentional pun, but I am keeping it). The Foundation sleight of hand would have been spent by the young mother in seconds. The Queen uses Tupperware; she isn’t handing that much over to Harry when she has Andrew to worry about, and William boiling. Netflix isn’t paying that much without work —- unless the money laundering rumors are true. Or Doria was the “bag” holdi g the rumored nine million, which must be running low.

So....backers, for my dumb hedge fund guys scheme premise above......or NF laundry days.....or perhaps for two sorts of disreputable fields of work.... or, or or?


Sandie said…
SwampWoman and AnT

Meghan may not even be aware of the agenda of her backers. Tin foil coronet firmly on head:

Did Meghan cross paths with Harry at Soho House in Toronto, arranged by Markus? Was he the go-between? He certainly knew her well enough to know that once she had her foot in the doorway, she eventually would create havoc in the BRF.

Did Meghan cross paths with Harry at that private dinner in Toronto, where Jessica and Ben were guests and Cory was the chef for the night? I can't see Jessica being the go between for shady backers, but Ben could have been accessible through his family history. I doubt that Jessica can see that Meghan is a destructive narc, but maybe Ben knew that all he had to do was make sure their paths crossed and facilitate secret meetings and the narc would wreak her path of destruction.

Was it some unnamed person in London who did indeed arrange a blind date, but did so for a handsome payment by shadowy people in the background?

The secrecy of it all feeds the speculation. (Note how, in contrast, William and Kate were completely open and honest about everything about their first encounter, on national television. We know when and how Charles and Diana first met, and the Queen and Prince Phillip, and Edward and Sophie, and Anne and Mark Phillips, but not Anne and Timothy Lawrence as she was married ...)

QueenTT (tarot reader) did a reading about who paid for the mansion in Montecito. Meghan, Harry or Charles? Her interpretation was none of the three. The money came from a connection from Meghan's past who owed her. Intriguing!

I think it is the Chinese. Really ... I can create a very convincing arguement that they are the shadowy backers of Meghan!

As for Virginia ... perhaps a mixture of anger that nothing had come from her original depositions and that Epstein never offered to pay her off as he did with others. Of course she is making money from all these salacious revealations. To get justice, all she had to do was give a full and honest deposition and be patient, and she could have pushed for better protection for others through a number of organizations. To me, there is something off about her, and before the virus she was doing a lot of international travel and holidaying. Did she make enough from the press for all of that? Like Meghan, she may not be in contact directly with shadowy backers targeting the BRF, and is grateful for and does not question the piles of money coming her way, but her personality seems to be right for a person who would keep the story in the media.
lizzie said…
@MustySyphone,

A few expenses I don't think you explicitly mentioned. Some are likely relatively small but it all adds up

Utilities like water bills (!), power, cell phones, Cable/WiFi or whatever they have

Gardener(s)
Pool cleaner
Cars including gas (and/or electricity to charge), maintenance, plates, insurance, and vehicle taxes

Food including pet food

Drugs including alcohol

Memberships (Helicopter club? Gyms?)
Stephanie_123 said…
@ Fairy Crocodile,

Thank you ... and, you’re right... she has declared war on everything she connects in her mind with being “British”. (With her marriage into the BRF, everyone should at all times treat Meghan as the most entitled Empress-Princess on the planet — or face her wrath.)

I am interested to see if the Harkle’s produce a family Christmas card using a current photo of Archie in the same room as his parents. One that doesn’t look blatantly photoshopped.

In the last week or so, it seems the RF has made some changes to its PR tactics in the press: articles have highlighted Zara’s miscarriages, the Cambridge kids have been front and center, positive articles about William have been popping up, etc. Perhaps the RF has a new strategy for the new year and are quietly putting it into place.

Oh well, all will be unveiled. At the moment, in the offline world, I have to get to work on a large project with a looming deadline.
YankeeDoodle said…
The twelve disciples (ooh, I mean 12 people working in Public relations ) must be a lie, as in more people I employ, the more important I am! Of the 12; probably 8 or 9 are volunteers; the rest work on Archiefoot, Travails are us; and one for spreading the news about poor Megs and Just H. The latter is worked to death, as every thing that promotes the HAMS never works. Next!

Covid showed the world, or at least some of us, how money-hungry the HAMS behave. Or how Covid put their two-year plans in a tailspin. It is only money with the HAMS. Their audiences are girls age eight to seventeen, with very few jobs these days, working as a salesgirl or waiter for pocket change to buy cheap tats that their Queen of their Hearts promotes.

I was shocked how rude the HAMS were on every visit, mostly abroad. The pinnacle of stupidity was the way the two brainless greeted the King of Morocco. To actually push Harry away so that Megs could get to the Queen and King of beautiful Morocco, was the worst faux pas I have ever seen. King of an Islamic country, insulted the entire country! Megs will live with what she did the rest of her life, in a bad way. She actually broke every protocol rule in the world.

I really wished that the PR person for the king would have written an open letter for all newspapers that the HAMS will never get through passport control to Morocco again.
AnT said…
@Sandie,

Extremely intriguing thoughts. I can absolutely climb on board your Chinese backers premise as well.

My hunch has been a group of rich, Asia-based hedge fund buddies, if we consider this a casual, mire amateurish attack on the monarchy by hustlers who are untrained. But a more sophisticated Chinese network could certainly have been duped by MM to some degree, after seeing her in Suits reruns and knowing of her yachting skills. But they would be more diligent about results and less forgiving of sloppy play or her running her own game? In any case, their diligence in this might be playing the Randy Andy card and the bad William press card for all they’re worth, while assessing Charles as a weak, malleable blob to be easily run over later.

I do think because she is a lying, conniving sort of mess, perhaps amateur backers would have dropped her by now, so she raided foundation funds and signed them to new backers like Netflix or anyone in their corporate banking connections list. I think if there are Chinese backers, that is why she took off to the American west coast, where business is done. And I think in this sort of nest, she will be definitely be working on finding a much richer man, or a much richer man’s son. Her ruthless greed exceeds Harry’s, her power is waning rapidly, and I keep hearing from an LA contact on the legal end of the industry that the Netflix thing is rumored to be rocky or not paying; amiss in some way. If this is accurate, she/they need backers or she needs a new daddy.


@Lizzie

Thanks for the additions to my list!

I really wish I could make a guess as to the actual monthly bills these two face but I have no idea. I've never hired security or daily help to know. I did have a cleaning service once but they came twice a month not daily.

Any Nutty with time and judgement care to estimate a monthly cash flow estimate for Grip and Drip? I don't really see anything of note coming in but lots of £ going out.

I think its safe to say Grip was merching the heavens out of everything while she had the chance. Many millions estimated. But even so, that must be about gone?

It was rumoured PC paid for the Gates foundation lady--a year in advance--so that is taken care of but surely they're about out of money and favors? Please?
AnT said…
@MustySyphone,

Thanks for putting that expense list together. Mind boggling. I will stamp my foot until Christmas Day and declare they cannot afford all that in their own, or through legal, above-board means.
Sandie said…
@MustySymphone

Add to the list:

Gardeners/gardening service
Utility bills (the water and energy needs of that estate must be huge)
Medical other than beauty treatment, especially for Archie
Clothing and jewelery for Meghan, the most expensive woman in any royal family in Europe ever

When the time of the virus is behind us:
Lots of overseas holidays, still cost extra even when 'borrowing' a holiday house and private jet
Entertainment, visibly at all high-profile events and places
Designer wear, and lots of it!

While they were working royals living in the UK, they did not have to worry about much of this as it was covered for them.

I can imagine Meghan indoctrinating Harry with stuff like 'you have to spend money to make money', 'to build a billion-dollar image you have to be seen and heard', 'you have to work your strengths and yours are conservation, military and connecting with youngsters ... no one is interested in AIDS any more, especially so since the virus ... any and every opportunity to associate yourself with military, conservation, young people ... we can do this!'.
xxxxx said…
@magatha
"Bunions nipping at her toes"

This is a stiletto warning. In LA you have hundreds of dedicated surgeons who will cut (shave) them off for actresses and for sugar daddy funded starlets. This might be 10% of why Megs moved back there with a Hapless Prince turned back to a frog. Frog Harry when Charles cuts off the Duchy money. Then The Queen starts revoking titles left and right from this Marvelous Montecito Mudslide Mansion ensconced Dubious Duo.
@ Sandie

Of course she is making money from all these salacious revealations. To get justice, all she had to do was give a full and honest deposition and be patient, and she could have pushed for better protection for others through a number of organizations. To me, there is something off about her, and before the virus she was doing a lot of international travel and holidaying. Did she make enough from the press for all of that?"

I join your sentiment here. She just doesn't strike me as someone honestly fighting for justice and to prevent a similar fate for other young girls. She is known to benefit financially for her "revelations" and is using her victim status to knock anybody who points at this glaring fact.
Acquitaine said…
@ Sandie, i don't think Meghan cared for conservation, military or youngsters for herself or for Harry. You can see how quickly Harry pivoted away from all of it soon after he met her.

During one of the recent documentaries about Charles ( or possibly The Queen) Harry and William are discussing how much Charles's environmentalism has influenced them where Harry tells an anecdote about switching off lights and using low energy bulbs and how Meghan was completely perplexed and liked to keep lights ablazing and never bothered to switch any lights off.

Invictus Australia was very stark demonstration of where their commitment to military lay.

They generally didn't discuss any of this stuff unless it was a trending bandwagon and only to attach themselves to the leading bandwagoner.

The recent Military pivot only happened because their preferred professional moves did not pan out so they pivoted back to royal family and the public image that made Harry popular. I genuinely think they thought Harry would easily be reconnected to the military even if he had stepped down.

It's a step that demonstrates once again how much Harry is a dunciard when it comes to things he grew up with. The Military oath is to Queen as commander-in-chief. He walked away, she accepted his resignation therefore he can't represent it to the extent that he did before. If he wants that military respect back he needs to do it on his own without the royal machinery behind him to push him forward or accept his efforts unquestioningly.

@ Fairy Crocodile Raindrop: The court Documents from the 2015 lawsuit brought by Maxwell against her revealed that almost 90% of what Virginia put into the media was lies, that she was aware it was lies, that she was regurgitating stuff she'd heard or been told by 3rd parties even though articles written centred her as a first hand witness and sometimes participant. Most importantly, she admits that she was a honeytrap, paid £10K for every mark and a bonus if she could gather information about the mark to take to Epstein.

As for Epstein himself, i think the mystery of him was answered at his last arrest when the former AG of Florida admitted that the reason Epstein received a light sentence in 2008 was because the AG was told to do so on account of 'Epstein belonging to Intelligence'

https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligence-work/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/us/politics/acosta-epstein-fact-check.html

Maxwell's movements make sense if you know that her father was intelligence and so is she and Epstein.

Her arrest is a serious red herring that is allowing all sorts of shenanigans to go unnoticed or to be covered up. Someone like that is not easily found if they do not want to be. Either she calculated that she was safer in a jail cell guarded by the US govt than to continue to run free even with the option of going to France which doesn't allow extradition of it's citizens (she's got French citizenship) or she's got serious information to trade and only way to do that without appearing to snitch is to allow herself to be arrested.

And her arrest and languishing in jail continue to be very curious when you remember that there are no publicly available arrest booking photos ( we got those with Epstein), no public perp walk at arrest (you know how those are always shown for high value arrest warrants), and they haven't shown any video evidence of her arrest anywhere.

Any articles that pop up about her have to be taken with a pinch of salt because this is a woman who brazenly allowed a photoshopped 'photo' of herself in Los Angeles to be circulated widely in the media looking defiant whilst making sure the title of the book she was reading was easily noticed; the life and death of CIA spies.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epsteins-gal-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-spotted-at-in-n-out-burger-in-first-photos-since-his-death/


With Christmas comes the Queen's Christmas card and her broadcast, with views of the photos she has on her desk, as well as the text of her speech.

Last year, the unspoken messages whipped up a storm of fury on madam's part (emphasis on the `mad') -

but a post from Marie Claire, dateline 1hr ago, claims Prince Harry and `Meghan Markle'are 'on better terms with the royal family'; 'gifts have been to the Cambridge family'; and `royal insiders' think H might telephone W

The vague `royal insiders' includes Katie Nicholls of VF; other mags seem to be reporting hints of `reconciliation'.

Are they trying to crawl back or is this more of their hogwash?
jessica said…
It looks like the Miscarriage story was put out there for a few reasons.
Her PR team needs time to re-strategize. Big story, then quiet. The baby story gives excuses and buys publicity time.
Something happened behind the he scenes regarding Frogmore. We shouldn’t have known about E and J possibly moving in or out. Since when did IVF shut Meghan up? The woman doesn’t stop. Maybe the E and J story was enough to have the RF step in and threaten legal action against the Harkles. Maybe they won’t push more Archewell crap until they are granted the trademark (which is highly unlikely since the application is broad), and were warned over the ‘awards’ crap.

Regardless they are either slowing down to ramp up some more splashy news, or there are negative things happening behind the scenes. When has negativity stopped Meghan, though? It normally gets her riled up.
SwampWoman said…
@Sandie:I think it is the Chinese. Really ... I can create a very convincing arguement that they are the shadowy backers of Meghan!

You may well be right. The Chinese are rather unhappy about Hong Kong and British backing. They would love a chance to take Taiwan if the west is too busy with Chinese fomented internecine conflicts to intercede.
xxxxx said…
Come on Grey Men
Kick it!
You are still in the Queen's thicket
Opting out of her Sandringham bubble
You can still make some trouble

For the misbehaving Mudslide pair
Who have been putting on airs
No major spill
Just give up grist for the mill
For worthy DM reporters
And their comments sorters
Megsy has told us about her claimed miscarriage suffering, well after the event. This makes me wonder why we heard nothing of the `details' of her previous obstetric experience, the birth of Archie the Beloved? Had the idea not occurred to her to produce `mere corroborative detail' at that stage?

Surely, she could have been celebrated pain as evidence of her martyrdom in producing a heir for the Sussex title? Had it been easy-peasy, with the babe popping out like a cork from a champagne bottle, it would have demonstrated her superior ability. Did the stork fly in through an open window and lay him gently in his crib? That's a sign of her oneness with the Creation.

Or did he arrive on a zipwire, like the Bambino in an Italian Nativity tableau at the First Mass of Christmas? That would have been evidence of her near-Divine status?

Instead, deafening silence.
I mentioned the `Chinese Whispers' at least 6 months ago. Nor only the chap involved in a questionable Chinese broadcast but a person said to be `close' to her who is suspect.
Sandie said…
@Acquitaine

I know it is off topic, but gosh that is very interesting information about Epstein and Maxwell that you shared.

As for the Harkles and causes they 'support', I not only agree with you that Meghan does not care about the pet projects she is pushing for Harry (military etc), but would go further and say she does not care for any causes at all, other than how she can use them to get attention and a wealthy lifestyle for herself. She was a hustler and minor influencer when she met Harry, and I think that she feels most comfortable when she is talking on a platform and hustling, even though the latter sometimes takes her out of her depth and she has to work hard on the fake laugh and the look of confidence, even when she is seething inside about a perceived snub. Doors are not opening for her for the prestigious deals (and they actually have to deliver for Netflix) ... any offers she has had for a movie or celebrity endorsement or 'ceremonial' positions such as ambassador for a brand or organization have not been the high level stuff (Givenchy, Dior, Estee Lauder, United Nations, the Oscars are what she wants and what she thinks she is worth ...). She wants a big pay off for hustling her way into the BRF, but she is not getting the big, prestigious offers.

No, she is not interested in the causes Harry was involved with, but she is trying to build a billion-dollar brand and they have to use what they have in their past to try to do that. If Harry is not royal, he has nothing interesting or worthwhile to offer, hence their pathetic attempts to hold onto the past. But, maybe Harry is miserable and missing home, family and friends so she is trying to keep him busy and find ways to keep him connected with the past (I have no doubt she is in control), especially the royal past. Then again, maybe these pathetic Zoom calls, law suits and announcements via Scobie, Chris Ship and whoever they have working for them are all Harry's idea, in a desperate attempt to please her, and she actually does not care how much damage he does to himself and how silly he looks.

The BRF need to send an extraction team to California to kidnap Harry and deprogramme him. They should snatch Archie too while they are there!
Enbrethiliel said…
@AnT
My guess, since I don't think they live in a manion or have a baby with them; I am about 50/50 that they are even together:

a. No card, no image
b. Card with a plagarized quote about the terrible world - digital of course
c. Harkles want a private quiet family holiday and went to a remote retreat in a mountain home (Kardashian-like) hat is Russian owned and for sale. We may see a photo os a snowy palatial mountain home, and old photos of pre-wedding H&M in knit hats
d. Harkles want a private quiet family holiday and will sped it in secret with Doria
e. No Archie photo. No family photo. No family video: Megs is still in mourning, such a difficult time


I really hate thinking of Princess Harry as a strategic mastermind, even if she did manage to bag a blood prince . . . But what if the main reason for the miscarriage op-ed was to give the Harkles a plausible reason not to release a Christmas card this year? Only a monster would expect a happy family photo when the "mother" is still recovering from a miscarriage. (Ahem.) Any other reason for not sharing a photo of Archie (even one of the back of his head . . . or his feet . . . or an elbow) would have just raised eyebrows and made too many people ask questions.

In short, the Harkles have just bought Archie another year of plausible invisibility.

If they do mark Christmas this year, it might be with a quote from Kamala Harris.

And I still haven't forgotten about that "Christmas soiree" they're supposedly having with the Fosters! If we learn that Prince Harry's foster father and Katherine McPhee actually spent the holidays elsewhere, I will toast all the Nutties with a delicious hot toddy!

(Oh, who am I kidding? I'll make that toast to you all anyway, no matter how things play out!)
SwampWoman said…
Acquitaine said: @ Fairy Crocodile Raindrop: The court Documents from the 2015 lawsuit brought by Maxwell against her revealed that almost 90% of what Virginia put into the media was lies, that she was aware it was lies, that she was regurgitating stuff she'd heard or been told by 3rd parties even though articles written centred her as a first hand witness and sometimes participant. Most importantly, she admits that she was a honeytrap, paid £10K for every mark and a bonus if she could gather information about the mark to take to Epstein.

As for Epstein himself, i think the mystery of him was answered at his last arrest when the former AG of Florida admitted that the reason Epstein received a light sentence in 2008 was because the AG was told to do so on account of 'Epstein belonging to Intelligence'


Indeed. But for which agency(ies) was he gathering information? One? Two? Double agent? Triple agent?

The fantastical account of his death depended on so many coincidences occurring simultaneously. I don't believe the accounts that were released to the media. Maybe he is dead. Maybe he isn't.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Jessica
Something happened behind the he scenes regarding Frogmore. We shouldn’t have known about E and J possibly moving in or out . . . Maybe the E and J story was enough to have the RF step in and threaten legal action against the Harkles.

I think that if Princess Eugenie and Jack truly had moved into (or seriously planned to live in) Frogmore Cottage, we would have learned about it eventually. That is, as the truth, it wouldn't have been Meghan's story to break or secret to keep. So when we all assumed it was true, we guessed that the ridiculous story about the Harkles being happy "to open their home" to their cousins and charge them rent was the Harkles' trying to control the narrative in the face of a true story they couldn't deny. And BP certainly didn't help by saying only that the matter was "private."

There's a world of difference between "private" and flat out false, which is what the whole story seems to be now. And while I expect to be jerked around by the Harkles, I expected a little more transparency from the BRF. (Yes, I'm naive.) I just don't get what either the BRF or the DM expects to get out of this weird reporting.
SwampWoman said…
Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
I mentioned the `Chinese Whispers' at least 6 months ago. Nor only the chap involved in a questionable Chinese broadcast but a person said to be `close' to her who is suspect.


Yes, if I recall correctly, several of us put our tinfoil hats on and discussed it when Communist China really started cracking down on Democracy in Hong Kong after the virus was *coincidentally* (there's that c-word that I don't like again) allowed to be flown around the world by the CCP.
Crumpet said…
@Enbrethiliel,

YES. This is exactly how I felt re the whole Frogmore sub-let story! Re the RF response, private!
lizzie said…
@Enbrethiliel wrote:

"But what if the main reason for the miscarriage op-ed was to give the Harkles a plausible reason not to release a Christmas card this year? Only a monster would expect a happy family photo when the "mother" is still recovering from a miscarriage...."

Could be. But the miscarriage was in July. Since then we've seen her at Time events, in the Fortune editor interview, marking Black History Month, talking with Smart Works clients, praising "fans," planting seeds with kids, signing with Netflix, yucking it up with Gloria Steinem, volunteering for Baby2Baby, talking with the QCT, encouraging women to vote, filing at least one new lawsuit and calling up TV show contestants. A slow recovery? I guess to people who haven't paid attention to the timeline. (Her "need for recovery" act only began after the court hearing, not in July.)
Sandie said…
Yep, Megsy only went quiet after the court hearing in which she was granted an extension for secret reasons.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Lizzie
Her "need for recovery" act only began after the court hearing, not in July.

I absolutely agree! I don't even think she had a miscarriage at all. She clearly had to pick July for her story because it was the only month where she had enough time out of the public eye to make her story halfway credible. But now she gets to milk the tale not just to push back the hearing but also to give her an excuse not "to serve Archie up on a platter." She's not smart, but she's crafty.
jessica said…
Article out now, Amber Heard, who is far more movie famous and relationship famous than Meghan Markle, her speaking fee is 25k.

LOL
Sandie said, Yep, Megsy only went quiet after the court hearing in which she was granted an extension for secret reasons.

I think the secret reasons was her so called miscarriage etc, and whatever story she spun for the aftermath of it. Maybe as other Nutties have suggested, follow-up medical procedures or even IVF.

@Embrethiliel I agree with your synopsis.
Crumpet said…
@Magatha,

Re Barbara Windsor

An actress, who became a true Queen of the Vic.

Unlike some other formerly 'royal' 'actress' we all know.

So, interesting reading about her life in London, especially the 1960s, her life in the East End...

Acquitaine said…
@WBBM: You have to interprete these Sussex articles as opposite to whatever they are saying.

Case in point, the statement from Marie Claire that you posted which says they are on better terms with the royals is interpreted as they are on worse terms than ever with the royals.

If they claim to be happier than ever, it means they are miserable

Enjoying their son? Nope

Spending time together? Nope

Everything they put out in public is a fantasy of what they would like us to see or know. The reality is opposite and they keep proving that reality either by the results or by telling us via FF or having a very public hissyfit that crashes through the made up fantasy.
@ Acquitane and SwampWoman

The scariest part of the Epstein affair is nobody really believes he killed himself and yet we do not see any progress in murder investigation. It is all too convenient for my liking. Camera malfunction, prison guard failing to do check ups ect etc.

Whoever is behind this is bold enough to expect the public to swallow the suicide.

I think Epstein's network captured so many prominent political and financial figures they can't afford it to be made public. And this is the most horrible part of this all - how many of those who preach tolerance, equality and feminism to us are guilty of exploiting sex trafficked very young women? How many of them covered sex traffickers because of their position in power?

It just makes me sick.
Crumpet said…
Nutties,

More PA headlines in the DM....re the BBC interview...have not read it yet, though!
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