May the discussion continue.
Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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Gayle is hosting a pre-funeral television special about the funeral at 9:30 AM ET (eastern time) Saturday morning in the US.
Do you suppose Meghan will appear as their highly paid special guest host to offer her “insider views” from her Montecito sofa?
I do.
I think that is why she was fine with staying home. She will be on the big screen, purring and attacking, babbling ignorant nonsense, smugly alluding to things, lying and preening, while the funeral takes place. Andthere will be nothing anyone can do.
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I feel so much sympathy for the Cambridges. They are truly monarchists, workers, parents and good people. Why they should be relegated to lower status is way beyond me. I can understand the Queen not wanting to cause dissension. I guess Philip didn’t comment on this?
We have three more days to endure. Missus Monte will endeavour to cause as much chaos as possible, and the press seems to indulge her. How civilization has fallen. When nations should mourn a dedicated Royal, we have to listen to spoiled brats. Philip wouldn’t have indulged them.
And I hope Princess Anne get at least a few choice words directed at Harry,
Well said, the shame definitely goes to Andrew and Harry. I quite liked your description of a mother throwing a tantrum in a shop, simply to shock her tantrum-prone toddler into silence and awareness.
What could possible equivalent of that be on Saturday? Perhaps the Queen herself will show up in ceremonial uniform as a massive, long-needed surprise chop across their whining throats. I swear I hope they all come militarily garbed, and leave horrid Andy and Harry gobsmacked and heaving.
Perhaps the Queen can even arrange to do the right and needed thing and hand both childish men off to the Yard to ship home to America on Friday night: go pet your obnoxious wife-beast, Harry, and go deal with the FBI, Andrew, you sweating infantile slob.
I know that is what I would arrange to do. To raise a ruckus over uniforms at such a time! They would be dead to me.
I am very disappointed that the RF caved in to Andrew and Harry. The others should be wearing the uniforms to which they are entitled. Andrew and Harry gave up that right. They are both disgraceful.
I pray I am wrong. But I too am gripped with a chilling sense of dread. If that happens with Megs, and if through Harry’s fits the BRF walk along without the uniforms to honor Philip, it will mean the pair of them colluded to drive yet another stake through the Queen’s heart in a public way on this important heartbreaking day.
...I can’t think of it.
I think the Harkles are desperate for funds, and Megs might see such an appearance as yet another chance to be seen, to make easy money, to bully, to become some sort of network news show star like Oprah or Gayle. Acting failed, producing and podcasts and philanthropy aren’t paying the bills. Harry had two silly fake jobs for ten minutes (until paternity leave was announced). So she would probably push to do this sort of commentary, and leap at the offer.
I hope what was posted earlier about the Oprah crew detecting the false bump and telling Oprah about it is true, because I think only Oprah can stop this intrusion from happening,
But as @Petunia correctly said, Oprah is a longtime narcissistic charlatan. So, who knows. She is somehow angry at the royals, bitter about lifelong lack of access I suppose, so she might get a thrill out of abusing them further via Meghan. Of course, more and more people will see through this and come to loathe both women (O and M) for their crude, cruel machinations and lies.
Lol! I remember that bizarre videotaped behavior of Harry’s as well. I remember thinking at the time “this is cruel behavior actually by man actually trying to hide his evil behind a fake smile”. The specter of the reports of little creepy Harry riding his bike into the legs of staffers in the palace came to mind.
Whoops— hit publish too soon! Meant to add that I absolutely would live to see that scenario you describe of the Queen flapping her hands in their petulant faces, and definitely replacing them with her sweet new corgis! 👏👏
They ARE both disgraceful, as you said, and the public know it.
Perhaps it is a good thing that the public also now knows these two horrid men are responsible for the lack of uniformed family ceremony at the funeral. The public can show the disdain and disgust for these louts that the Queen is apparently unable to conjure.
Tweedleharry and Twandrewdum
Agreed to pitch a scream
For Tweedleharry said Twandrewdum
had spoiled their uniform dream.
Just then flew down a furious Bill
As fanged as a shark-toothed boar
Which frightened both poxed heroes so
They wept and pissed the floor.
(With apologies to John Byrom, Lewis Carroll, and our dear poet laureate Magatha)
I hadn’t heard about the film crew going into Mudslide Manor after Harry’s departure. Oh no, if true, then my speculation just got more real. Ugh. I absolutely think Megs would have no qualms about doing this. Little Miss “I do as I please”? She’d do it. Who would stop her?
I did read Harry is scheduled to fly out immediately after the funeral. I think yes, the Palace wanted him gone and the “misses Megs so much” teen love tales are her own ridiculous plants to cover the reality.
"The trouble is if Gayle asks her about family members Megs will just not know anything, she is too involved with herself to be able to comment on the details of others and if she gets it wrong after all the lies she has been found out on, or if it is found out she was given a crib sheet it will back fire on her badly."
I know it wasn't AnT who said this but I love this version and it is very insightful. Unlike Fergie who built relationships with these people and was welcomed at a fairly social level and who has genuine empathy for others (love how she is portrayed on The Windsors!), Fergie could do such commentary but not Meghan - she would only speak LIKE TYRA BANKS about her interaction with each person etc. and/or anything perhaps they had failed at.
Ugh. people.
I have learned a lot about narcissism on account of this entire Meghan saga over last two years and that damn blog from that guy just made me realize how f'ed I am in a relationship which has driven me insane for the last two years. Sure enough, captain hardcore narcissist.
Sadly, it is my business supplier and not my lover - yet he finds me hot anyway (we do have chemistry) and now he is determined to destroy me and my business by refusing all product or refund because he is mad at me for ... (?) trying to enforce our contract and/or hold him to our agreement.
Anyway - narcissism - now I realize what a f'ed situation I'm really in and it is real real real real real bad.
THANKS MEGHAN MARKLE - you have illuminated my business problems.
I will tell my mother how this dumb fascination of mine has had a positive impact on my real life on account of these realizations.
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prince george, princess charlotte, prince louis and all of them 😍❤️
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love this photo of them and all the great grands ❤️
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Why aren't the other kids princesses and princes?
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its a rule created at the end of the 19th century. It serves to avoid having to keep all
the grandchildren as working royals. This is done in order not to weigh on the state
coffers.
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thank you! So Prince Harry's son not being given the title is normal?
Other comments are asking "where is Archie?". Most comments are positive towards the monarchy.
LOL
I know it shall be truncated due to COVID, but I don't think children count in the official number "allowed".
If that is the case, how will Hazza deal with seeing PP's other great-grands? Will seeing these children make him realize what he has done?
If Hairy was so concerned with the ultra-gravid Mehgan's being home by herself, why didn't he bring Archie along? This may have been a great opportunity to intoduce the child to his family, whilst "taking the load of child-care" off of the heavily pregnant Duchess of Mudslide Manor. Que'lle selfish lout!
I'm convinced PP tried to make his wishes known beforehand, but he could not have anticipated the juvenile behavior of Hairy & Andrew re: uniforms. I'm sure PP would have come up with a stern and fitting "No! You're entitled to wear only the uniforms and rank which you earned in active service. PERIOD".
It's going to be an interesting weekend, to be sure. The one saving grace in this whole sad tale is that we can be sure that William & Katherine will comport themselves appropriately. I am sending them my wishes for serenity and very stiff upper lips.
Yes, and an excellent point. Not only do they not have an Archie, Megs has not perfected her heavily pregnant act yet. She's not a very good actress. I'm actually kind of sorry we won't get to see a Traveling MoonBump show (what a great name for a band....OH WAIT, sorry Wilbury's!). Heh.
When will this nightmare end? I feel so sorry for HMTQ. She does not deserve such disloyal family members.
@London Gent....I really haven't followed the RF dramas until MM came along. (Me neither, mate) I saw photos of Kate on magazines in the checkout line. Lots of photos of H in nazi uniform, las vegas, hot tubs filled with girls, drunken violent rage etc. I have always thout H is a spoilt petulant brat.
I think the only reason that the US FBI wants to chat with Andrew is because of the money/business side of his Epstein relationship.
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Don't want to 'go there' with this particular prince. Suffice it to say that it is a separate, but equal in some ways, to the Harkles, sad to say.
The royal family is like any family, but if they are going to last into the next millennia, they've got to get their act together. If that makes sense.
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Mmmm, right. Perhaps it is time to 'go there'.
One of these days, it will all come out. The HUGE bin of Harry stuff. So huge it will inundate an entire neighbourhood. His temper tantrums. His dissing of 'friends'. His substance abuse.
Mmm. Not for me to put it forward. It's out there. The whole royal entitlement. So ... now he's trying to 'merch' it. It's all he's got. Poor sod.
Hahahahaha (sorry not sorry Lol)
Me, I am all about the military aspect.
Wear the uniform? Hmm. HOW do you think people will see you? The Queen has followed protocol that her forebears have followed since millennia. Keep it. Don't let the 'changers' of 'royal' 'things' do anything.
(These are royal things I am asking myself. Those of you from other countries, this is something you may wish to ignore.)
HM the Queen says who wears which uniforms. Quite fine with me.
I expect a lot of us get those - a sudden dawning - denying that it can't possibly be true - feeling sick - only to find that it turns out exactly as realised.
The uniform question was a lose/lose one for HM: exclude H and M screams `Racism!!!'- enforce formal Morning Dress for all (rather than `lounge suits') for all and the b*tch gloats in triumph.
No good answer, just one that's worse than the other.
https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-7745
Maybe a lot of this is an expression of her own rejection of that part of herself. After all, as LSA consistently notes, she 'lived white' her whole life until doing the opposite was the only workable option to bypass rules and scrutiny applied to everyone else. When she got back home she couldn't scrub the fake tan and bronzer off fast enough. After that she was furious when the interview aftermath began to focus on racism in general rather than on her.
Part of the reason why she is so disturbing to people - even down to just looking her in the eyes or seeing her with a young child - is our instinctive recognition that here is anger. RAGE. The kind that made Victorian villainesses and mad women more disturbing than in other eras because, given the overpowering notion of women as angels of the home, they were strongly OTHER. Even down to their hair. Victorian women's hair was supposed to be tidy. Smooth. Civilised. Then think of illustrations of Mrs Rochester in the attic or on the ramparts above that fire she started. Snakey tendrils flying. Or Lady Audley's madness suddenly flashing out, from someone we only knew until then as a pretty little former governess in 'Lady Audley's Secret' (a great read!).
This is a tremendously atavistic response Meghan is evoking. The shock between what is expected and what is in front of us is greater. The mystery is greater. The unease is greater.
Well here we have a royal family we have known all our lives. Everything we see is familiar. Everything they do - in public! - is familiar. Apart from this woman. It is not the colour of her skin. She is often paler than Catherine these days. Now she is putting on a different kind of show. All we know is that this is NOT REAL. Something is WRONG. Something is HIDDEN. And human nature demands justice and resolution. That is why we are all here.
Waiting.
Waiting.
Waiting.
The Queen has a hell of a lot more patience than I have ever had, or indeed would want to have. This is not the time for patience. Or forbearance. Or the long view. The eyes of the world will be on that funeral. Photographs in history books. Showing that the wrong people won the day.
Harry certainly didn't exactly excel academically. Perhaps this is partly because, like Diana, he didn't have any aspirations and just coasted through school. I agree there might be a problem, perhaps something like ADHD.
I initially replied to Hikari because I have read several posts, not just hers, that mention his IQ/below average IQ and I am irked by these remarks. We just don't know. Someone could be a brilliant scholar and behave badly and be a complete a$$hole, conversely someone can do poorly at school and do very well in life. Churchill's and John Lennon' school reports were poor, as was Einstein's.
I don't suppose many people in the US have heard Harry on TV - pre Markle, that is. I live in the UK and have heard him several times, pre Markle when he was normal or more normal. He didn't come across as being 'special needs' or even borderline. I remember distinctly something he said perhaps ten years ago or more: People think they know me.
Having said that, I agree his behaviour, not always the best, has declined markedly post Markle and is now atrocious.
If M is on Gayles pre-funeral show, I would absolutely believe that is the case. QE is grieving, and M is insulted she wasn't invited. This will give her another opportunity to make false claims and throw knives at the RF.
What would be better than TWO dead great grand parent in laws that are filthy rich???
All of the "sources" articles about M could have just been test balloons to see what version of 'her truth' the public is most receptive to. Like rehearseing her lies for the big screen.
If M is on Gayles pre-funeral show, I would absolutely believe that is the case.
Human beings are human beings though, whether British, American or whatever. I'm struggling to think of a culture where hurting respected elders is a good look. We are down to brass tacks now. With death. Doesn't matter whether royal or not.
I accept, though, that Meghan is only a travesty of a human being so she doesn't realise this and those enabling her simply don't care as long as the money rolls in. As long as. At some point public revulsion or sheer ennui will build to the point when all that changes and she runs out of options.
As various news sources have reported, Harry and Andrew ARE the only living family members to have experienced active duty. Yeah, Harry's was iffy by some accounts, but that's neither here nor there now. And as various stories have reported, retired military like Andrew can wear the uniforms for their earned rank but those who resign like Harry cannot.
While Andrew is an ass, based on his known behavior since he "stepped back" which is more likely?
1. He wears his earned rank uniform while very privately telling TQ it's unfair he couldn't wear his admiral "promotion" uniform or
2. He throws a giant, public enough to be reported fit over not being able to wear his admiral's uniform, thereby ensuring no one wears uniforms.
One does always have to ask cui bono. Seems to me Harry benefits the most from Andrew's reported actions. So like some on LSA, I wonder if #2, Andrew's public fit, came from the Sussex camp. It's possible PA & PH colluded, but remembering Andrew and Anne's blocking MM from TQ on the balcony that time, I doubt it.
While I thought days ago uniforms should be worn, I now think TQ made the right decision. Plus, what about Edward? There have been noises (some from the Sussex camp I am sure) at other events about him wearing a uniform based on honorary titles. And Anne? While criticism has been less vociferous than re: Edward, her uniform is honorary too.
After all, as the country continues to move away from the Church of England - the current AoC doing nothing to stem the flow - the religious pillar of the monarchy is already getting harder to relate to. So let's look at the church and the military when we get to the new reign. Or the one after that, as that one will feel less wobbly.
It's all so difficult. We certainly live in interesting times.
You mean served in combat (unless UK terminology is totally different from US). Will and Charles were on active duty for a few years each but never in combat.
'This is a tremendously atavistic response Meghan is evoking. The shock between what is expected and what is in front of us is greater. The mystery is greater. The unease is greater.
'Well here we have a royal family we have known all our lives. Everything we see is familiar. Everything they do - in public! - is familiar. Apart from this woman. It is not the colour of her skin. She is often paler than Catherine these days. Now she is putting on a different kind of show. All we know is that this is NOT REAL. Something is WRONG. Something is HIDDEN. And human nature demands justice and resolution. That is why we are all here.'
You are correct, and you are right.
Harry and Andrew ARE the only living family members to have experienced active duty.
You mean served in combat (unless UK terminology is totally different from US). Will and Charles were on active duty for a few years each but never in combat.
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'Combat' must be taken in context. ALL activities in the military are undertaken in the context of possible combat. Prince Charles commanded a destroyer/minesweeper whose role in combat would have dealt a blow to the enemy.
According to several MSM accounts I've read, Prince Philip is to be buried in his ceremonial naval uniform. That makes the disconnect even worse. He earned that uniform and continues wearing it with honour, even in death. In the living world, his son and grandson continue behaving shamefully.
I thought death was meant to bring people to their senses. Andrew and Harry need to think about parable of The Prodigal Son. Maybe the AoC could deliver a sermon on it. Be useful for a change.
To listen to the Harkles and their supporters say that no one in the royal family did so, is the basest lie.
And believe me, it will never be forgotten.
Which Harry should have known about, and recognised.
Little did he know.
She can have them dress however she likes.
But it is kind of funny to think of grown adults, some ,senior citizens having to run to Mommy and ask “Mommy, what should I wear today?”
The royal world is another world.
@Ralph L said…
"I was looking at video of W&C's wedding and noticed that H seems to have gotten rid of the shoulder/neck hunch he had then--or was it just a weird uniform for the wedding. Looks like Sandhurst would have fixed that earlier."
He was most likely hangover hence the hunch.
Reports then said that he'd attended wedding eve get together at the Goring where he stayed until 3am and was very drunk by the end and drunken hijinks caused him jump from a table or bar he'd climbed on and hurt his ankle on the landing.
Not enough sleep / rest for an 11am wedding therefore hunch.
(apologies - this was widely reported at the time, but i can only find the DM's article on it)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384720/Prince-Harry-Was-3am-balcony-leap-reason-Harry-looked-par-Royal-Wedding.html
He always had military posture at all other times.
Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth is the last survivng Head of State to have served during WW2.
She can have them dress however she likes.
But it is kind of funny to think of grown adults, some ,senior citizens having to run to Mommy and ask “Mommy, what should I wear today?”
The royal world is another world.
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Indeed it is.
But it's not quite 'mummy'.
Number one, it follows a long tradition.
Protocol in the British military doesn't follow 'modern trends'.
Everyone who serves knows the protocols. Including the heads, the royals.
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Blogger JHanoi said...
Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth is the last survivng Head of State to have served during WW2.
She can have them dress however she likes.
But it is kind of funny to think of grown adults, some ,senior citizens having to run to Mommy and ask “Mommy, what should I wear today?”
The royal world is another world.
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Indeed it is.
But it's not quite 'mummy'.
Number one, it follows a long tradition.
Protocol in the British military doesn't follow 'modern trends'.
Everyone who serves knows the protocols. Including the heads, the royals.
April 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM
I was reading about JFK Jr's faults as a pilot recently and thinking about him reminded me of Harry. His short attention span, compulsive risk taking and over-confidence. Frustrating comparisons with a more cautious, academically gifted sibling. And of course he was also famous as the son of a revered icon. Or two.
There the similarities with Harry end of course. By all accounts he was also kind, considerate and generous. Who eventually managed to pass the New York Bar Exam. Not to mention one of the most handsome, charismatic men of his time. Just thinking of him makes you realise how far Harry falls short in terms of intrinsic megawattage. For we all know what Meghan really would have wanted. If JFK Jr had come calling she'd have dropped her beloved Harry like a radioactive hot potato.
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Ava, that is a really good comparison of the two. Both lost a parent at very young age, and both were very popular within their countries.
JFK Jr. was a dare devil with many injuries accumulated during his short life. His family was as close as Royalty could be in America. But he never trashed his family.
JFK Jr. also had the Princess Diana appeal. That 'IT' factor that few people possess. But he also had his flaws. It devastated me when Diana died, left me reeling, as our lives were parallel in many ways. Getting married, having children at the same time, etc. She was what I would imagine a real fairy princess would look like. Exactly like all the books I read on fairy princesses as a child.
The difference between Harry & JFK Jr. is JFK had a plan or a destiny in life, Harry had no such thing. Harry could have had a purpose driven life but he wasn't capable. JFK was.
I was so devastated by Diana and JFK's death within a years time. Both tragedies. JFK passed the bar, Harry could barely finish intermediate schooling and had no true goals. He should have stayed in the military, he would have flourished there.
I was so devastated by Diana and JFK's death within a years time. Both tragedies. JFK passed the bar, Harry could barely finish intermediate schooling and had no true goals. He should have stayed in the military, he would have flourished there.
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Why did you feel this way?
Are you stating you never wrote this response to JHanoi?
Indeed it is.
But it's not quite 'mummy'.
Number one, it follows a long tradition.
Protocol in the British military doesn't follow 'modern trends'.
Everyone who serves knows the protocols. Including the heads, the royals.
Not sure why my responses are showing up as not what they were to begin with.
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Blogger JHanoi said...
Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth is the last survivng Head of State to have served during WW2.
She can have them dress however she likes.
At the time when Charles was at sea, we weren't getting on very well (British understatement) with the Icelanders over fishing in the N.Atlantic. This final round of problems, which had begun in the 1950s, was settled in June 1976. These `Cod Wars' may not have been full scale `confrontations' but the Icelandic naval patrol boat `Ǣgir' (named from the Norse god of the sea) was pretty aggressive at times. Charles's service would certainly have counted as `active'.
*Pongo - naval term for member of the Army (ie from a presumed resemblance to a chimpanzee).
Not sure why my responses are showing up as not what they were to begin with.
When I want to reply to a fellow Nutty, I manually add their name then I copy and paste the text and then highlight their comments in bold. Then underneath I start my reply to them. You can clearly see who said what and to whom. I can see JHanoi’s original comment and yours below theirs.
I’m not sure what method you’re using to reply because as you state it shows the below format:
Blogger London Gent said...
Blogger JHanoi said...
If you look at my response method to you, you might see what I mean and see the difference. I can assure you there’s nothing sinister going on though, just a different format of typing and replying. ;o)
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Funny how every forgets that Camilla is C-in-C of the Rifle Brigade...
My mother was seven months pregnant with me when JFK was assassinated. She said I seemed to do a somersault the moment she heard. She's never forgotten it, though she had no special interest in the Kennedys.
By the age of 12 I had taught myself how to type so I could borrow library books and type out JFK and Bobby Kennedy's speeches (talk about keen) and I adored the photos of Camelot just as my teenaged niece does now. Despite what has been revealed since, the magic never truly fades. JFK Jr's image hasn't dated either, unlike Diana's, when you consider their deaths were so close in time. Yes, their deaths were two real shocks as we approached the end of the century.
Harry constantly stresses his mother's death as an insurmountable tragedy. JFK Jr coped with the murder of his father and early death of his mother and focused on the future. Of course his mother never let him see his father's death as giving him a pass for anything. He was expected to work hard, pay his dues and - most of all - earn the respect shown to him.
Harry seems to expect respect without effort. Worse than that, there is no reciprocity. What respect has he shown to his family? To his country? To us? If he is received in polite silence by the public he will have been saved from a moment of lasting shame, solely because we still respect his father, brother and grandmother. Not to mention his sterling sister-in-law.
@ JerseyGirl
I was so devastated by Diana and JFK's death within a years time. Both tragedies. JFK passed the bar, Harry could barely finish intermediate schooling and had no true goals. He should have stayed in the military, he would have flourished there.
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Why did you feel this way?
Good question; he seems to have been an incredible failure as an officer and had to have babysitters. He couldn't pass the tests or the classes for advancement.
In the U.S. military, commissioned officers must have a 4-year college degree at a minimum. Senior officers will have Master's and Ph.D.s. NCOs are highly encouraged to have 4-year degrees (in fact, I don't believe that they can advance as an NCO without that degree).
Prince Harry could not have been an officer OR a senior NCO based on his lack of education. A person can be an Army helicopter pilot (warrant officer, not commissioned) without a 4-year degree BUT he would also have a lot of technical classes that I'm not sure he would be able to pass.
He could have been a junior enlisted member here depending on his ability to pass a background check, but he would have to get an education in order to advance through the ranks.
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I admired both JFK Jr. and Diana. I grew up with them so to speak. To me they were magical. I was the same age as JFK Jr. and I was one year older than Diana, so I felt I grew up with JFK Jr. and I was still young enough to believe in fairy tales when Diana married her Prince.
Both were wildly popular during my 20's and 30's and it's just sad that they are both gone, each within a very short period of time, dying young and still beautiful. I always felt both had a greater destiny in this world, but of course it was never fulfilled.
Both handled public with grace and dignity. The difference though was the photographer's both very interested in these two figures, yet none were as crazy as the photographer's that chased Diana to her death. JFK Jr. handled the photographers with a understanding respect. Each morning when he left his home, there they were waiting for him. He'd engage them for a minute or two and all moved on with the rest of their day. That seemed to never happen for Diana, she was hunted by the paps.
As a side note, I as a fully grown adult would often go into Central Park in NYC and just people watch, often hoping to catch a glimpse of JFK Jr. in the flesh. I guess today it would be considered stalking, but I would have never purposely approached him or intercept him in any way. I just thought he was the most beautiful man in this world and I was hooked. Purely in a fantasy way and in no way as a way to get myself in any trouble.
I had so much respect for both Diana and JFK Jr., and I can only imagine who and what they would be in today's world of insanity. That's the short of it and I hope I answered your question.
Now if your question was about why I felt this way about Harry and not Diana & JFK Jr., I apologize.
I believe Harry should have continued his career in the military because he seemed to thrive there. It requires discipline to carry on such a career. Harry acts as though he was was raised by a pack of wolves, when in reality he was raised in the same household as William and William seems to be thriving in his life and in his destiny as a future King.
Harry needed structure and the military provided that. I'm not saying he was a perfect soldier, obviously as I'm sure he acted out while serving. But the incidents of really bad bad decisions wasn't a part of that service. Left to his own devices he was a wild man who couldn't and wouldn't grow up.
It's so troubling the way his life has turned out as a result of his own decisions, no one forced him to marry the woman he married, no one forced him to wear a Nazi uniform, or strip in Vegas, he's responsible for all of it. But I don't think he had any guidance from adults or people he admired and respected. That's Harry, he doesn't have respect for other's, hence his bad behavior and bad decisions.
There are those who think he's not very smart, I personally don't think that. He's not very smart emotional, as though he's maturity is stunted and stuck in 1997 when his mother passed. It's why he holds so tightly to his unfinished business with her life and death, he stopped growing emotionally the day he walked behind her coffin.
We are only as happy as our unhappiest child.
So imagine how unhappy the Queen is with her problem child and PC is with his.
Yes and as he said then, he made politic's sexy and relatable with his magazine.
JFK Jr. was also very careful about his public life and his personal life, unlike Harry who along with MM have been nothing but rotten and disrespectful. I can't imagine JFK Jr. ever being disrespectful to his mother or even the press, he accepted his place in society and never b*tched about his lack of privacy.
Matter of fact he had almost full privacy in his life except when he left for work in the morning or at events that were public events. He was beloved by Americans..... Harry does nothing to endear himself and no one respects him or his choice of wife.
Someone commented here perhaps a year ago that a family member had served with a US base out West where Harry was sent for some training (I cannot recall the why of this) and he was insubordinate and it became a great issue, and he was sent packing. This and other things precipitated his “retirement” and Invictus was the bandage created by aide Edward Lane Fox to cover the rubble and let Harry save face.
Someone here can correct me on this, and amplify details.
In contrast, while JFK Jr had flaws like everyone else, and was rumored to have been stymied by his mother in his original choice of career and wife, he at least focused, got his law degree, founded George, gave it a go on his own.
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I'm not sure JFK Jr. was stymied by his mother. I think it was more his respect for her wishes and him respecting them until her death.
Yes he was a man with his own interests and goals in life, he was also very generous with his time and money giving both to under privileged. He often went broke (as if his broke was our broke) giving so much money of his own for his causes.
JFK Jr., wasn't running around partying like a animal as Harry was doing. I never heard that Harry was asked to leave due to bad behavior. That was never on my radar as to why he left his military career.
He was then right, that none of us really know him. If he was just a average citizen he'd probably be a criminal at worst. A life of getting into trouble, getting arrested, and constantly off the rails. He really has been protected all his life because the real him is nothing but trouble.
https://www.etonline.com/how-to-watch-prince-philips-funeral-service-163775
I didn't follow JFKjr but my thought was that he started George to try to avoid getting into the career path of his father and other members of his family. It was closely linked and he and lots of contacts to pull it off.
As for Gayle King having Markle on her show, I don't think one narcissist would let another narcissist purposely have any glory in a public spotlight. But, on the other hand, wouldn't it be funny for Markle to make jabs at every member of the family as they appeared during the service. She'd really show the world who she really is.
Yes, JFK Jr knew how to proceed privately in life, while gracefully handling the attention when spotted by press or average people. He understood his family legacy and societal role at that time, in a way Harry simply does not. I worked with someone who in her 20s in Boston was pulled into the Kennedy circle through someone in politics she was dating. She found the young clan swarming in at the Hyannisport compound that summer to be horribly rude, disrespectful, drunk, drugged,. Rose was there at the time, old, sick in bed, not coherent for some reason, and the younger members would nonetheless party loudly, chase each other through the halls, drunk, would take even friends to go look at her asleep in her bed and mock her.
My coworker was disgusted by all this, and she noticed that JFK Jr and Caroline were never ever at these rowdy weekends, and she left and dropped the boyfriend. She did remain friends with two of the younger Kennedys though through some other corner of her life, and I ran into them lunching or put walking Newbury Street a few times; one of these Kennedy’s used to sleepover sometimes at the old family house of another mutual friend and her sisters in Brookline, all in their 20s as well, and they gathered from him that Jackie kept her kids as far from the Kennedy mix and mess as possible, and that John John and Caroline were family phantoms in that way. Apparently with good reason. At one of their dinner parties, I met some of these circle friends. The one seated next to me whined about his family and the burden of his millions and not having a direction he wanted because Harvard had been a drag etc etc etc. Wah, wah, like Harry. By the end of the night after hours of this guy clinging and whinging about his hard life even after we had all walked to another house for drinks and a lawn movie, I finally told him to shut up, thank god for his good fortune, grow a pair and get on with it. I was working plus freelancing and supporting my ill, older parents, and spoiled brats like him were ludicrous to me, and to everyone else. He looked shocked, the friends looked shocked, and then he began to weep and nod. He ended up taking a job in some company then rapidly founding his own company, and is still doing well and still treats me to lunch when I am in town.
In Harry’s case, he seems to be the one who should be avoided by the rest of the family. Unlike the Louisburg Square weeper, I think there is no successful part two to Harry’s story.
I love your idea of the Queen forcing Andrew and Harry to dress in ludicrous, rotund Tweedledee costumes. “You want a uniform and titles? Fine. You are now both Admirals of Arserumpery, off you go.”
Yes, I recall those rumors as well. We may never know the truth of the matter, but Harry’s current behavior does him no favors in quelling the rumors. The fact that he was drawn to a monster like MM as well, and supports her madness and rule flouting, tells us much as well.
Andrew retired as a Commander in the navy. The naval equivalent to an army Major is Lt. Commander. A Commander is higher rank than a Lt. Commander, so therefore Andrew should wear a Commander’s uniform to military functions.
Of course, I don’t know if this rule is true, but if it is, it makes Harry the only one at the funeral without a uniform.
Gayle King gets to host a "special" and the funeral coverage for CBS
And Tom Bradby is hosting ITV
They may as well give MM her own show
It really sucks to be the Queen this week
I begin to believe the "backers" story
And...isnt Harry not allowed to wear the uniform with a beard anyway? If I remember the Queen already had to give him permission for his wedding and a Remembrance Day ceremony.
She could have just held the little weenie to that
Or would that have been "hairist"?
Thanks for that information.
I think with Andrew, as I understand it, he was awarded the unearned rank of Admiral for his 60th birthday by the Queen but agreed to defer accepting and using the rank until he cleared his name in the Epstein case. As the world knows, he has avoided the FBI’s questions like a frightened toddler and his name has absolutely not been cleared. Yet he threw a fit to his grieving newly widowed mother about wearing this Admiral uniform, part of a rank he did not earn, and agreed not to accept til cleared.
With Harry of course, he treated the Deal event like it was beneath him, capered off to the Lion King premiere instead to pitch VO work inappropriately, then quit the family, ran off, lost his military connection, and has been hurling abuse at the Queen, highest officer in the British military command chain, calling her a puppet, ever since.
As I see it, Andrew thinks dead father = He now has control of mummy-Queen and he can step briskly back in and resume doing as he likes, unfazed. Harry just wants the in-uniform photos for his wife’s documentary plans.
Neither man put the Queen, their commander, first during this awful week.
Neither repulsive “military man” deserves a uniform now. Both chose to lose their rights, by being useless brats, and must live with their choices like adults. I don’t care if they singlehandedly defused 1000 mines with their teeth and can salute with their tiny members.
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But yes, the beard! You are quite right about that.
I wish the Queen had already formally named Anne to Harry’s old role. It might have eliminated some of this faffing about.
I think this was a real shame if true. My goodness. He would have out 'A' listed the 'A' listers! He had everything George Clooney ever offered in terms of charisma and more. The only person I can think of who was still more powerful in terms of charisma was Cary Grant. That man will forever be a mystery to me. How he did it. Like the Duke of Edinburgh he kept and wore the same clothes for decades. In the 1980s he was still wearing shirts he'd bought in London's Jermyn Street in the 1930s.
I know it's a bit off-topic but it's so nice to contemplate a couple of graceful, smart, hard-working men rather than a graceless, petulant, ginger idiot.
Yes Jackie kept her children sheltered from the wild life of the Kennedy kids who are more like Harry and his lifestyle.
Jackie raised two wonderful and respectful children. It sounds like a nightmare that you friend experienced with those Kennedy kids, some of which died young as a result of that partying lifestyle.
I never ran into JFK Jr. in Central Park but I did his mother. My oldest was a model and I often took him to his auditions and then I'd take him for a picnic in the park. That's when I saw Jackie walking. No crowds swarming her, she was free to live her life.
That's the thing in NYC, there are so many famous people that live there who are never bothered by paps. They aren't rushed by crowds, harrassed by tourists on occasion I'm sure, but they definitely aren't be chased through the streets. Those of us who live here don't bother them, they are free to live their lives.
As far as Harry went he probably could have benefited from having a strong male figure in his life who would have guided him in his life. I can think of no better person than Prince Philip. Talk about a man with such humility that he was able to walk two steps behind the Queen with his head held high.
He emulated a real man, flaws and all. He should have been a role model to Harry on how to conduct a Royal life role and still have a private life. Two factors that would have changed Harry's life so he wouldn't be in the mess that he is, is if his mother had lived and if he had someone like Prince Philip guiding him into adulthood.
I really thing he is stunted in his 1997 child role, the one where he is walking behind his mother's coffin, a lost child, a sad child, a child with no future guidance in site. Instead he was probably given all the wrong attention because of his loss and the family felt very sorry for his unhappiness over losing his mother.
He obviously never received the help he desperately needed to move on from his mother's death and he's still grieving. I realize everyone grieves differently and in their own way and time, but he was a child. He needed intervention and instead was allowed to run wild and do his own thing, never addressing the real issues he had.
He received a bucketful of pity and everyone acted accordingly. When one of my sister's lost her boyfriend and as she walked behind his coffin, she said I wasn't suppose to walk down the aisle with him this way, she too got stuck. Even after 10 years she still grieved him. It's a real tragedy when some get stuck in this way, it's never ending private pain and agony.
Meeting someone like MM who probably sympathized with him and rubbed his back in understanding, Harry was hooked. She seemed to be the missing link for him and now she's turned his life into a nightmare. As so many have said, it's worth repeating, no good will come of it.
We really must think alike. The two men JFK Jr. and Cary Grant. YUMMY! lol
They had that 'IT' factor as did Diana. I can't think of anyone else that possessed it.
Prince Philip was a very handsome man his youth, but even he didn't possess the IT factor. I doubt I will live to see another person that possesses that beautiful spirit.
That time has passed. George Clooney couldn't even compare or polish their shoes. He doesn't have it.... Maybe I shouldn't have watched the Facts of Life that he featured in so many years ago. lol
My father was the spitting image of Cary Grant, so I have issues with that statement LOL
My mother kind of looked like the Queen, so that was interesting.
I certainly saw how people treat a very good looking man during my life. My teachers especially enjoyed parent-teacher meetings, that's for sure.
My father was only about 2 months younger than Prince Philip, so he had the same sense of duty, but the marriage and family dynamics were different from the BRF.
Jonathan Dimbleby has spoken out about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s bombshell interview with Oprah Winfrey that aired last month.
In the interview, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle made a series of claims about their time in the royal family, including that a senior member made a racist remark about the colour of their unborn child’s skin, and that Meghan was denied help by a palace aide after expressing that she’d had suicidal thoughts.
Now, Mr Dimbleby, a friend of Prince Charles and the author of Prince of Wales: A Biography, has said he was “horrified” by the Sussex’s interview.
“I thought it was awful, I was horrified by the interview,” he said on “The Send” podcast.
“The whole idea of an interviewer saying, ‘share with us your truth’, I mean, your view. What’s your truth as opposed to my truth?
“It’s a lazy form of communication and it’s very very misleading, because it sets it up as if it is the truth and a lot of people went along with that. I don’t know what happened inside, no one does, no one can possibly know.”
Mr Dimbleby went on to say how he thinks other members of the royal family felt about the interview.
“I can imagine it was a matter of extraordinary pain and anguish to Harry’s father and his grandmother,” he said.
“So you can tell I feel rather strongly that they claim, I’m talking really mostly about Meghan here, claim to revere the institution of the monarchy, claim to love the Queen.
“If you love the Queen and you revere the institution of the monarchy, why do that?”
Short and sweet. For anyone who doesn't know, Jonathan Dimbleby is part of Britain's broadcasting royalty. Slightly muddied by his own controversial interview with Harry's father, who admitted to adultery in front of millions in the days when we weren't really used to seeing such things on TV. Certainly not from a senior royal.
However, Dimbleby didn't conduct a travesty of an interview the way Oprah did. No I'm not going to give her the excuse that she wasn't an investigative journalist. You get paid millions to interview people? Do it properly. Do it with integrity. Any schoolchild would have done a more conscientious job.
And Gary Cooper. Another man of dignity.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/jonathan-dimbleby-horrified-harry-meghan-oprah-interview-b1831867.html
The Vegas incident happened in July/August 2012 just before he was drafted to Afghanistan in September (if I remember correctly), he left the army in June 2015, he served the required 10 years of service. The Vegas incident was passed off as an army man letting off steam (I’m paraphrasing).
Yes Gary Cooper..definitely.
It's funny how I always dated very good looking men but I never found myself in the position of having to chase off women. When these men were with me, they were with me.
But I did have a really good friend, who by any standards was not goodlooking at all. He was short, bald, bad acne scars, and mean looking. But he rode a motorcycle and looked like a biker, the bad kind of biker. When I was with him, women would be passing their phone numbers to him, or openly flirt with him.
Girls like BAD BOYS and Harry fits that bill!!!
I was amazed to read ages ago that he went to school in England for a time. I was as amazed by that as I was when I read about Clark Gable dating plain middle-aged women in Peterborough. Less pressure he said.
American nutties - you really need to know Peterborough to get that comment. Apologies to any Peterborough nutties! It used to be my corner of England so maybe I'm allowed to say it. I'm still annoyed with Henry VIII for burying Catherine of Aragon there. I admire Queen Mary, the present Queen's grandmother, for arranging for her to have a grander memorial in Peterborough Cathedral. From one Queen Consort to another. Better late than never.
I was amazed to read ages ago that he went to school in England for a time. I was as amazed by that as I was when I read about Clark Gable dating plain middle-aged women in Peterborough. Less pressure he said.
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I never found Clark Gable attractive, but I know he was a leading man in movies.
As far as dating middle aged women, I have a friend, very good looking man, famous in the American sports world who once told me he only dates local girls because the actresses and models were too needy and clingy. He could barely handle a commitment with his dog, never mind a human, lol.
But that's certainly a interesting tidbit about Clark Gable.
The issues of attractiveness is very dependent on the sex of the person. I find that good looking men are treated rather more kindly than very attractive women. People tend to make the life of attractive women a living hell. There's a Korean proverb that "the more beautiful the woman, the harder the life she will lead".
I had the great satisfaction, as an Elvis fan, of dating a man who looked like him when younger (anyone can do sideburns and sunglasses) but he didn't want to look like him and didn't even like him. That made it non-tacky if you know what I mean. He drew all eyes, but so did I then, as for years I was told I looked like the young army-days Priscilla. People kept staring at me when I was at Graceland. One woman even came up to me at an exhibition there, to ask me if I had been told that before, and another at the airport. I had, ever since I was 14. Now I'm approaching 60 I'm appreciating the fact that I can't afford plastic surgery.
How lucky for your mother to have such a handsome husband, and I'm sure she was also beautiful.
Yes I can imagine those parent teacher conferences when he attended them. lol
In People mag Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy looked a very lovely, very healthy girl just out off college. She was wearing a v nice bulky preppy sweater, wearing a huge smile pre-marriage. Her face was fleshy in a healthy way. After marriage her face got more and more drawn, narrow and lost its fat. She dyed her hair to almost platinum blond. I have always thought this was due to cocaine use as her marriage got more and more conflicted. Just based on photos of course, she looked very thin and severe, who would jump on JFK Jr. for the slightest infraction. She was the one who drove JFK Jr. to make that last flight under rotten weather conditions. /// JFK Jr. complied because as a man he wanted to display to her that he was capable in this and in a larger sense.
Re: Jonathan Dimbleby, what’s the betting he’s voicing Prince Charles feelings too? (Remember the interview and that revelation regarding Camilla?), aren’t Charles and Jonathan close friends who’d Charles would trust to confined in?
Lady C KNOCKS Meghan's claims re Prince Philip/washed hands of Harry/press differences explained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dUgIaGDPA
O throws out that “ Your Truth” term so much prior and during the interview, the Urban dictionary will change the meaning of “Truth” to mean “opinion, point of view, perspective” LOL. and eventually others could follow. sheep. and There will be no such thing as Truth.
The issues of attractiveness is very dependent on the sex of the person. I find that good looking men are treated rather more kindly than very attractive women. People tend to make the life of attractive women a living hell. There's a Korean proverb that "the more beautiful the woman, the harder the life she will lead".
April 15, 2021 at 6:24 PM
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I'm sorry to you dated a man who needed more time in front of the mirror than you did. That's a narc for you. Disrespect of the highest order.
I was quite attractive in my younger years, I've been told I look like a lot of famous women myself but never saw it.
It is however very hard for beautiful women to go through life than it is for men, I wholeheartily agree. I think women have a filter internally that tells them hands off, and men completely lack that filter and lack boundaries.
I had a gorgeous friend, who didn't need to look in the mirror to know he was goodlooking, he was dating a model though, so he knew he was. I had a female friend that had the biggest crush on him and she couldn't even speak to him because she would become flustered and red in the face. She would ask me how I was able to be his friend and I told her, we are just all human beings and I treat people accordingly. JFK Jr., however would have had the same reaction from me if I ever ran into him in NYC.
I just can't even imagine her having lived this life with the man she has always loved for 73 years. That's amazing and wonderful, and I'm very sure so sad for the Queen. That first morning waking up after his death and realizing he was gone. Very, very sad.
Yes it was a open secret that Carolyn was using cocaine and that the marriage was on the brink of divorce at the time of the accident. She started out as a beautiful rosy cheeked young women into a skelton.
JFK wasn't instrument certified and shouldn't have been flying over the ocean, but rather he should have been flying off the coast line where he could see. I'm not sure I've ever read Carolyn was pushing JFK, I don't even think she wanted to go to the cousins wedding. But at the time was merely trying to keep up appearances until the divorce news was announced.
Makes me more pissed at Andrew - he's thinking so short term the more he weasels his way back in ever so publicly as opposed to keeping it on the qt like he was before PP died has me convinced PP was the one that demanded he return to private life and not public, royal life And how short-sighted is he, his mom is 94 this is the beginning of the end could be only a few years then charles is in charge. Better for him to play nice to charles and set his daughters, who are well like publicly, for helping in royal engagements and patronages. Acting badly now isnt a good look for your brother who's been doing the patience game for 60 years.
US posters looks like all the major news channels will be having live coverage. Personally, i want to watch the one that has the best british commentator most of the us anchors know squat about this stuff. Dan wooton and Piers have been doing interviews with fox; wonder if they will get the nod.
And no I dont think Gayle will have megs. She may relay some conversations but gayle wants to be queen of her own segment. Megs would overshadow that I am guessing Gayle can read the tea leaves.
I actually think HM’s decision to have them all in civies was good
If she had allowed all seniors but PH, PA, to wear military uniforms. the crazy stanish pro-Harkles would have been furious screaming foul all over the media for weeks, and maybe some that served in the Military , or Republicans, would be annoyed at some of the more Honorary ranks wearing uniforms when those that served during wartime (in spite of their foolishness in later life), had to wear civies.
This decision results in the pro-BRF’s more pissed off at PH’s shenanigans again, and therefore more sympathy support towards HM.
the crazy pro-Harkles will still be annoyed but can’t cry foul in the media for years.
the BRF isnt a soap opera even though MM wants to be the star of it.
sadly this issue is bound to come up again in 10 or 15 or years so if they are going to reconsider rules/ protocol, they should think about it now.
fox news:
rom 9AM-12PM/ET, anchor and executive editor of The Story Martha MacCallum will lead the day's coverage, emanating from FNC's headquarters in New York. Throughout the morning, MacCallum will be joined by a number of guests, including Patrick Jephson, former private secretary to Princess Diana of Wales and Nile Gardner, former aide to U.K. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who will provide expert commentary on the day's proceedings and their historic nature. Contributing to coverage on-the-ground in England will be foreign affairs correspondent Benjamin Hall in Windsor and London-based correspondent Greg Palkot stationed at Buckingham Palace.
If the FBI wanted to ask me what time it is, I'd want an attorney present and then would refuse to answer the question because they hadn't clarified as to which time zone they were asking about. They are widely distrusted and deservedly so.
The Daily Mail had an article in 2015 about how the FBI and Justice Department faked microscopic hair evidence for 20 YEARS. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045293/FBI-Justice-Department-admit-forensic-experts-gave-flawed-evidence-nearly-criminal-trials-20-years.html The FBI dragged their feet on identifying people who had been convicted based on flawed/faked evidence after FBI officials were aware the evidence was faked. There were three people executed partially based on what may have been evidence that the FBI KNEW was false for YEARS. (Many others died in prison awaiting execution.)
I think with Andrew, as I understand it, he was awarded the unearned rank of Admiral for his 60th birthday by the Queen but agreed to defer accepting and using the rank until he cleared his name in the Epstein case. As the world knows, he has avoided the FBI’s questions like a frightened toddler and his name has absolutely not been cleared. Yet he threw a fit to his grieving newly widowed mother about wearing this Admiral uniform, part of a rank he did not earn, and agreed not to accept til cleared.
Not to throw fuel on the fire of the uniforms discussion, seeing as how it has been resolved (poorly, in my opinion) but I’ve read on several sites that retired military personnel are allowed to wear their uniforms if they achieved the rank above Major (Army). Harry retired as an army Captain, which is below a Major, so assuming this rule is true, he doesn’t get to wear his uniforms again, ever.
Andrew retired as a Commander in the navy. The naval equivalent to an army Major is Lt. Commander. A Commander is higher rank than a Lt. Commander, so therefore Andrew should wear a Commander’s uniform to military functions.
Of course, I don’t know if this rule is true, but if it is, it makes Harry the only one at the funeral without a uniform.
Your last line is why no one who deserves to is going to be allowed military dress (earned) at the funeral for the most famous Greatest Generation decorated veteran (a bona fide battle hero). PP and Sir Captain Tom Moore were two of the last of a nearly extinct breed now.
I am shocked to the core that things have come to this pass in the very twilight of Elizabeth's exemplary nearly 70 year reign. A generation apart, the two rotten apples in the Windsor dynasty have spoilt the barrel for everyone else. Elizabeth has been a hugely successful Queen, but if we are to be brutally honest, a significant failure as a parent, and PP must share in this, too, though he certainly seems to have tried his best to shape his children into people of character, grit and integrity. The lessons only seem to have taken in his only daughter, though Edward is coming along nicely and making a much better show than would have been expected of him. Ed dropped out of basic training for the Royal Marines, manifestly unable to cut it, a development which his father was surprisingly gentle about, considering the hard time Charles had of it. Edward could have easily gone down the path of 'arrogant/entitled/dilettante/lazy minor royal with huge attitude', and he did drift for much of his young adulthood, faffing about with the theatre and helming failing businesses. But he found his feet and got his act together, and that is largely down to having married a partner who helps him to be a better man. Without Sophie in the picture, Edward might have turned out to be a Harry.
The only actual military appointment I can find for Edward, who never completed military training or served in any branch is that of 'Personal Aide-de-Camp to the Queen'. That is signified by the gold shoulder braid seen on some of the other uniforms, like William's. Edward generally wears a suit at family events like Remembrance Sunday and other balcony appearances, but I did find a picture of him in uniform when representing the Queen at a wedding for Swedish royals in 2013. So maybe he can wear it abroad only? Edward has a number of honorary military appointments in the UK and the Commonwealth, along with medals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex#/media/File:Prins_Edward,_earl_av_Wessex_&_Sophie,_grevinna_av_Wessex_-3.jpg
I was initially dismayed that the Queen had appeared to take the avenue of appeasement for the two brats by denying everyone else their rightful uniforms, but now I see it as the best possible call. Because this service is NOT about any living individual in the pews, not even the Queen herself. It is a celebration of Philip's earthly life and the send-off to his heavenly one. Having everyone (but Philip) wear civilian clothes underscores that the day is not about the egos of those present. In the scaled down circumstances, it is even more appropriate to stress that this is not a show of others' earthly ranks and entitlements.
It would be nice to see Philip's coffin carried by an Honor Guard (comprised of non-family members). Surely currently serving professional officers are entitled to wear military dress to escort the Duke of Edinburgh to his resting place.
Excuse me? I don’t think the FBI is wondrous. My point was that since Andrew said he would not wear the Admiral uniform til cleared and has not been cleared, I think he needs to stay away from uniform and rank. If he fears the FBI, then I think it would serve him then to go about other ways to clear himself—- the royals certainly have the means to hire private investigators, and have Scotland Yard too if they wished. Since he wants to rides ponies about like a big fat baby instead, and cause grief to a widow, the hell with hm, let the FBI, good or bad, comb his hair. Enough.
Maybe Philip can, and I hope he does. 😁
'In an open statement, Prince Harry explained his decision to leave the Armed Forces:
"After a decade of service, moving on from the Army has been a really tough decision. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have had the chance to do some very challenging jobs and have met many fantastic people in the process. From learning the hard way to stay onside with my Colour Sergeant at Sandhurst, to the incredible people I served with during two tours in Afghanistan - the experiences I have had over the last 10 years will stay with me for the rest of my life. For that I will always be hugely grateful.
Inevitably most good things come to an end and I am at a crossroads in my military career. Luckily for me, I will continue to wear the uniform and mix with fellow servicemen and women for the rest of my life, helping where I can, and making sure the next few Invictus Games are as amazing as the last.
I am considering the options for the future and I am really excited about the possibilities. Spending time with the Australian Defence Force will be incredible and I know I will learn a lot. I am also looking forward to coming back to London this summer to continue working at the Personnel Recovery Unit.
So while I am finishing one part of my life, I am getting straight into a new chapter. I am really looking forward to it."'
Hollow words.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9475099/Full-details-Prince-Philips-funeral-released.html
The Queen
The Prince of Wales
The Duchess of Cornwall
The Duke of Cambridge
The Duchess of Cambridge
The Duke of Sussex
The Duke of York
Princess Beatrice
Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi
Princess Eugenie
Jack Brooksbank
The Earl of Wessex
The Countess of Wessex
Lady Louise Windsor
Viscount Severn
The Princess Royal
Vice Admiral Sir Timothy Laurence
Peter Phillips
Zara Phillips
Mike Tindall
Earl of Snowdon
Lady Sarah Chatto
Daniel Chatto
Duke of Gloucester
Duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra
Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden
Prince Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse
Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
The Countess Mountbatten of Burma
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9475099/Full-details-Prince-Philips-funeral-released.html
Sorry,when I posted your post hadn't been published.
"I was initially dismayed that the Queen had appeared to take the avenue of appeasement for the two brats by denying everyone else their rightful uniforms, but now I see it as the best possible call. Because this service is NOT about any living individual in the pews, not even the Queen herself. It is a celebration of Philip's earthly life and the send-off to his heavenly one."
Excellent point here. I think the Queen made the right strategic move on non military clothes for the funeral. The fact Bradby and Gayle have been picked to cover the funeral isn't just a travesty, it shows how the media is actively colluding to keep this beef, with all the lies and half truths we already know about, front and center in the news. That makes the Harry Meg still a threat. Don't give the Deceitful Duo any more ammo for their grieve-fest. The outpouring of support from the UK and worldwide is the best press they could possibly get and the silent one finger salute to Meghan.
Game, set, match: the Queen. Like I said b4, she's playing chess to their checkers.
STILL REMEMBERED Pregnant Meghan Markle will make ‘private arrangements’ to mark Duke of Edinburgh’s life after not being able to attend
P"REGNANT Meghan Markle will make "private arrangements" to remember Prince Philip after being unable to attend his funeral.
The Duchess of Sussex, 39, has remained in the US on doctor's advice while Prince Harry made the 5,400-mile trip to the UK ahead of Saturday's event.
But Buckingham Palace confirmed those who are unable to attend will make "private arrangements" to mark Philip's life.
Meghan will also be able to watch the sombre proceedings through a special live stream.
Mourners who would have attended if Covid regulations limiting funeral numbers weren't in place will be given special log-in details.
The online coverage will carry the same footage as BBC, ITV and other broadcasters, but won't have live commentary and punditry.
Philip's funeral will be different to any other royal's after Covid made the family strip back all tradition.
Just 30 guests will be in attendance and the Queen will not take part in the procession from Windsor Castle.
Under Covid rules, all those entering the chapel will wear a face mask and all members of the Royal Family will be seated two metres apart.
Harry is currently self-isolating at his previous martial home Frogmore Cottage after flying back to the UK on Sunday.
Meghan, 39, made “every effort” to travel but didn’t receive medical clearance from her physician, a Senior Palace Official and Buckingham Palace spokesman said.
Since returning, Harry has reportedly made contact with Charles, William, Beatrice and Eugenie.
The royal is said to want to "park any disputes" before the funeral for Philip, who passed away on Friday aged 99.
It will be the first time Harry has come face-to-face with his family since quitting as a senior royal last year.
The funeral will also be the first time he has seen his relatives since his explosive chat with Oprah Winfrey."
A little more at the link, nothing major.
With the guest list released,thanks@ConsrantGardener33, Meghan is going to feel the burn and she will react.
We have often tried to decode her here. I found this on youhabebeenmarkled.tumblr
Parts of it made sense to me. I do think there's much about Meghan that is nature rather than nurture.
The poster meghantheduchyofpitstains makes this commentary as a deconstruction of the famous Will scarfing incident. The poster uses strong words, but I think we get what they mean especially concerning race.
Here's the video //www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01CTV3wgLg
meghantheduchyofpitstains: NOW knowing what was going on behind the scenes and all the sh*t she was pulling, the scarfing is so much more entertaining and understandable! Will had, had enough of her!
And watch Markle trying to control it all as she looks so uncomfortable - she hates Will because he saw right through her.
Kate easily chit chats with family members while Megsy is desperate to control those around her to include her (I think she grew up with no one liking her and is very used to being disliked because of her personality, not talked to, not included so she developed ‘this control’ of those around her and the situation to not be left alone and left behind. To her this is humiliating. I think she gets panicked by the idea of being left out and standing looking alone and foolish and obviously not popular - this is rejection, abandonment, not good enough! - because this was always happening to her from childhood on, even by her mother - people did not like her, did not include her - hence why she had to learn to manipulate people) (If she doesn’t control EVERTHING, she is never included, left out, passed over - you can see it on her face - almost panic)
I think that is one of the reasons she is so obnoxiously pushy - if she doesn’t make it happen, it doesn’t happen because she isn’t good enough and isn’t likeable - and never has been. I think this is why she gets into rages towards people she sees as getting in her way to get what she wants because she knows IT WON’T HAPPEN otherwise. She has always been not pretty enough, not skinny enough, not smart enough, not likeable, not special, not talented enough, etc and always left behind.
And for all these reasons - is why she started living in a fantasy world. She was taken to a fantasy land Hollywood set everyday by her father - she was never special and never picked and never liked (even in her acting career). So she delusional began to live in a fantasy, a script - where she was as popular as Princess Diana, she was special. She really needed professional help at a very, very young age. And if her mom did go to prison - this humiliation probably through her deeper into her own world she made up. I’m surprised she doesn’t have multiple personality disorder!!!
And we all know she is deeply humiliated that she is black.
"Conclusion: Meghan is behind all the fuss about the uniforms, and her motive is money. The BRF has had this funeral, including who would wear what, planned for a very long time. Meghan is creating PR waves (my assumption is via Harry) so the clothing is changed to what she wants."
Her is the link if you want to see the whole reading: https://celticcrossanon.tumblr.com/
If I were to choose which royal overall is the worst one, I’d pick Harry in a heartbeat. The damage he’s done (with his maggot of a wife) is still continuing and is still being reported world wide, and Andrew’s mess is not by any measure. Andrew’s has never publicly spoken poorly about his family or his country, but in other ways he’s still let his family and country down. However, Andrew has not been tried nor found guilty of anything, this is not to say he’s innocent, but he wasn’t the only VIP muddled up with Epstein, let’s not forget about that in a hurry and casually sweep it under the carpet.
Reading that condolence card from little children to the Queen in the same DM article then made me cry. Saying how sad they were to have lost Prince Philip 'but we're lucky because we've still got you'. There you have it. That indissoluble, precious bond between monarchy and people Harry has thrown away.
Yet (Andrew) threw a fit to his grieving newly widowed mother about wearing this Admiral uniform, part of a rank he did not earn, and agreed not to accept til cleared.
With Harry of course, he treated the Deal event like it was beneath him, capered off to the Lion King premiere instead to pitch VO work inappropriately, then quit the family, ran off, lost his military connection, and has been hurling abuse at the Queen, highest officer in the British military command chain, calling her a puppet, ever since.
As I see it, Andrew thinks dead father = He now has control of mummy-Queen and he can step briskly back in and resume doing as he likes, unfazed. Harry just wants the in-uniform photos for his wife’s documentary plans.
Neither man put the Queen, their commander, first during this awful week.
Neither repulsive “military man” deserves a uniform now. Both chose to lose their rights, by being useless brats, and must live with their choices like adults. I don’t care if they singlehandedly defused 1000 mines with their teeth and can salute with their tiny members.
Repulsive is the best word to describe them both. Without getting into a debate over whose sins are 'worse' . . .Harry and Andy are both awful excuses for human beings, who have caused the Queen and their whole family so much distress and heartache. Blatantly disrespectful, they both exemplify all the very worst flaws of both the royal system of lavish entitlement and of humankind. Andrew has given us Beatrice and Eugenie, who despite their parentage seem to have turned out to be pretty good people, having absorbed more of the ideals of service and supporting the Queen than we are seeing from the two twats. Andrew does seem at least to have been a good father, so that's one mark in his favor. He's been dining out on his Falklands War service for decades, and there was no honor in that conflict, really . . a skirmish over property . . but he served at the pleasure of the Queen and from all reports threw himself into the fray with courage and didn't just get a command for show because of his Royal status. His subsequent life and behavior has been a disgrace. I'll not soon forget the sight of two sex predators of children lolling their perverse asses on the thrones of Britain, compliments of their host, the DoY.
The Queen does have a terrible blind spot when it comes to her children, particularly this one, the 'salted shrimp'. And her ginger clod of a grandson is also indefensible. What a sad, tawdry state of affairs. To say that I hate them both is an understatement. Andrew could have at least displayed the maturity of his years and acted slightly better than the equally self-obsessed nephew half his age, but no. It will be interesting to see where Harry is seated. Even after this past year of publicly shatting all over his grandparents and the people of the UK, having quit the family, he still outranks his uncle. They both deserve to be sat together in the 'Pew of Ignominy', at opposite ends . . the one in the furthest back, near the door, with instructions to make like trees and leave when the final hymn starts. No processing . . just clear out like a bad smell. Harry can then go directly to the airport without seeing or speaking to anyone, because I'm sure nobody has any desire to see or speak to him.
Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne’er within him burn’d,
As home his footsteps he hath turn’d,
From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no Minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour’d, and unsung.
--Sir Walter Scott
For a bit of light relief:
'Another idiotic comment from Omid' - in the Cat with the Emerald Tiara
https://the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara.tumblr.com/post/648548347715747840/another-idiotic-comment-from-omid
Omid describes the funeral procession, mentioning Anne's husband Vice Admiral Tim Lawrence and the late Princess Margaret's former husband, Lord Snowdon (my italics).
WTF??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2192296/Mac--Harrys-latest-indiscretion.html
DAN WOOTTON: How tragic that the Queen can't even escape the fall-out from Harry and Andrew's poor choices to bury her beloved husband in the manner he deserves...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9475543/DAN-WOOTTON-Tragic-Queen-escape-fall-Harry-Andrews-poor-choices.html
@Puds, in a Sun article, it said Peter would walk between them "at the request of the Queen".
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Wow, this seems significant if the Queen feels there should be a buffer between the brothers.
I suppose it makes some sense to put the 3 oldest grandsons together but it also might be a reflection of the brothers' current relationship.
Do only the men walk in the funeral procession as they did in Diana's?
What about Zara's husband?
I'm not sure the York husbands will be present at all. They were not on the original 30-person list.
And I would think Anne will want to walk with her brothers.
For a bit of light relief:
'Another idiotic comment from Omid' - in the Cat with the Emerald Tiara
https://the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara.tumblr.com/post/648548347715747840/another-idiotic-comment-from-omid
Omid describes the funeral procession, mentioning Anne's husband Vice Admiral Tim Lawrence and the late Princess Margaret's former husband, Lord Snowdon (my italics).
WTF??
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Either all the Botox has gone to Scooby Doo's brain, or else he obtained his journalism degree from an ad on the back of a cereal box.
Lord Snowdon, first of his name would be very bemused to find himself on the guest list for his late brother-in-law's service, seeing as he died in 2017. The current Lord Snowdon, second of his name is Tony & Margaret's son, David. He divorced his wife Serena in 2020 which is why he is unaccompanied.
Scooby Doo is an a$$. How does he still have a job?
Here's that Sun article about the separation:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14656214/prince-william-harry-wont-stand-together-prince-philip-funeral/
"PRINCE Harry and William won't stand together at Prince Philip's funeral and will separated by their cousin Peter Phillips.
It was believed the brothers would be stood shoulder-to-shoulder as they followed their grandad's coffin to the service on Saturday.
But Harry and William will instead be separated by Peter Phillips at the request of the Queen.
Due to Covid social-distancing rules, this means they will end up four metres apart during the eight-minute procession.
The brothers will be separated for a second time as they head into St George's Chapel for the service - with William walking ahead."
Now the Army doesn't seem to have any `glasshouses' left, where should he really be?
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I have just added `They bugger up your arrangements, for your events, just to suit themselves' to my list of extra ways of recognising narcissists, along with `If they don't think much of a present you've given them, they'll be sure to tell you' and `If you don't give in to their insistence that you try homeopathy, they get angry with you.'
Calling her sweetie pie through gritted teeth and laughing at the lies being spread this week by MM.
Thank you, you echo my sentiments re PA.
I saw JFK Jr. at the Oshkosh Fly-In one year. He was every bit as good-looking in person. Somewhere I have a photo of my brother and him; we had just been walking around and were looking at a plane and noticed him. Bro sidled up near him and I took the pic and he didn't notice. We didn't speak with him; he was there to enjoy himself and most people respected that and didn't bug him. If it happened today, I would chat with him just as I would any other airplane lover, but I was tongue-tied and also didn't want to bother him.
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So jelly! Thanks for your memory.
Thank you, you echo my sentiments re PA.
I second this, I said something similar up thread.
has caved. I'm struggling to understand that a woman in her 90's facing the prospect of burying her beloved friend and partner was not in the frame of mind to deal with pouts and bruised egos and probably said ok, everyone will wear suits just to get some peace. It's the TOC all over again though when William and Kate let tradition go hang in order to soothe the dreadful duo's tantrums. With PP gone, is this how it's going to be? Pandering to the selfish, greedy soulless ones? It makes a mockery of the royals who are trying so hard to carry on PP's work.
@Ant, I've been enjoying your hilarious scenarios!
@Magatha, thank you for your brilliance!
You know, I really don't get all of the PA bashing. He hasn't been convicted of any crime, and his mother, ex wife, and both daughters love him. Of this I'm certain. He will never be questioned by the FBI, nor would HM want him to be. There are plenty of sleezeballs stateside who could and should be questioned. Plenty hung out with JE.
Prince Andrew is guilty by association. There are pictures of him standing in JE front door as a very young girl is leaving. PA was seen in Central Park (after JE's first conviction) intensely chatting about something.
PA is documented to have visited JE on many other occasions. Guilty by association does count in the court of public opinion. He did the interview (that I have not seen since I'm in America) and I have read it was a disaster. I don't know what he said or how he acted during this interview, but calling it a car crash interview sort of says it all.
Of course he and all the other high profile 'clients' that JE allowed into his world will never see the inside of a court room but just knowing he's a sleazy human being is enough and I include all the other high profile people that enjoyed JE's services of trafficking in young girls. I think they are all vile and the damage that was done is now a life time of a cross all those girls have to carry.
All for the pleasure of disgusting men.. Oh I mean the victims both public and private. Don't forget the victims!
Agree, and I’ve been wondering and thinking that for days, some of it has been nasty and even sleazy. Click bait for the media is of course money earning...
@Hikari: how does Scooby still have a job? Because MM is paying him and no one else wants, or is crazy enough, to take the gig!
Doo-Doo's (aka 'The Plastic Fantastic') plastic face is literally everywhere as BFF/anointed mouthpiece of Markle. His profession is listed as 'journalist' but he's amply proven that he neither actually writes nor researches easily verifiable historical facts, like the fact that Princess Margaret's ex-husband, Earl Snowdon, died in 2017 and therefore the 'Earl Snowdon' on the list of Philip's mourners is Tony's son, the 2nd Earl Snowdon.
This is Omid's CV. He is 'Royal Editor at Large' for a number of Hearst magazines. So just remove 'Bazaar' and insert 'Town & Country', 'Cosmopolitan', what have you. He just slaps up one error-riddled sychophantic piece of pro-Markle drivel and emails it to every magazine from Hearst that bothers with royal coverage. No legitimate newspaper wants him. His plastic mug can also be found yapping on a number of vapid royal gossip shows.
His current face looks like he's transitioning into a more femme Barbie version of k.d. lang. He's the male version of Meghan (nominally male, that is.) He must really like the taste of excrement, because he eats and spews a lot of it in the course of what passes for his profession. He developed a taste for excrement in the course of his recreational hobbies, no doubt, which include lots of sex with men. I'm sure he is a great fan of roast chicken, waffle-making and all the rest of Meg and Harry's shared culinary hobbies.
I have a subscription to Harper's Bazaar and a couple of other Hearst magazines which I have been intending to cancel for the last year, as they just keep piling up unread. I really have to cancel those as I do not propose to keep funding Doo-Doo's plastic surgery and his pro-Markle delusional drivel. Meg may have paid him a handsome sum of Charles's money to ghostwrite her autobiography, 'Finding Freebies', but the rest of the time, the odious plastic Head Markle Pom-Pom boy/girl (preferred pronouns are unknown) is paid by Hearst, Corp. Only because women keep buying those magazines. He's as filthy and manipulative as the idiots he 'writes' about.
Omid Scobie Royal Editor at Large
Omid Scobie is BAZAAR.com’s Royal Editor at Large and has covered the lives and philanthropic work of the younger members of the British Royal Family for over eight years. As well as spearheading exclusive coverage of major royal milestones (including the weddings of both the Cambridges and Sussexes), Scobie has traveled extensively with Harry, Meghan, William and Kate on their engagements in the U.K. and around the world. As ABC News’s Royal Contributor, Scobie is a regular on Good Morning America and host of the network’s forthcoming podcast, The Heir Pod.
Funny thing is, NONE of the other 100s of men visiting and "associating" with JE has had their life destroyed and how many ppl would be in prison now if it were a crime to have previously associated with a convicted criminal? Did PA sleep with a child? Did he traffic any girls? There are a lot of sleezy men who sleep with teenagers. So at most he's sleezy, but last I checked thats not a crime
He loves his family and his country his mother obviously doesn't hold it against him neither DS or his girls.
Valentine offers a few hints about their relationship in this article.
William and Harry to follow Prince Philip’s coffin, but separated by their cousin Peter Phillips
Part 1
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/william-and-harry-to-follow-prince-philips-coffin-but-separated-by-their-cousin-peter-phillips-xrbrc3lz7
The Duke of Cambridge and Duke of Sussex will walk behind their grandfather’s coffin at his funeral on Saturday. They will, however, be separated by the diplomatic presence of their cousin.
The brothers, whose fractured relationship has not recovered since their last awkward encounter at Westminster Abbey a year ago, will be among the nine members of the royal family who will process on foot as the Duke of Edinburgh’s coffin is driven on a Land Rover to St George’s Chapel, Windsor.
The procession will evoke memories of how the brothers, aged 15 and 13, walked behind their mother’s coffin at her funeral in 1997. They will not, however, be side by side. Instead, in either a quirk of planning or a deliberate attempt to keep them apart, they will be separated by their cousin Peter Phillips. Inside the chapel, when the procession is reformed, they will once again be close — but not next — to each other.
As details of Prince Philip’s funeral were released by Buckingham Palace it was confirmed that the Queen — like all 30 guests invited to the service — will wear a facemask. She will sit by herself in the quire of St George’s Chapel, with all mourners following coronavirus guidelines and remaining socially distanced. Buckingham Palace has confirmed that they will sit two metres apart.
Philip was the guiding force behind his funeral arrangements. The end of the service will include a powerful reminder of his wartime service, when buglers of the Royal Marines will sound Action Stations, which would be used on warships to announce to all hands that they must go to battle stations. The bugle call was included on the specific instructions of Prince Philip, who also chose all the music, which is expected to include the sailors’ hymn Eternal Father, Strong to Save.
A reduced choir of four singers will feature during the service and the guests will follow the rules and not sing.
Among the guests are the Duchess of Cornwall, all of the duke’s grandchildren and their spouses, and the children of the Queen’s sister, Princess Margaret.
Also invited is Countess Mountbatten of Burma, previously known as Lady Romsey and later Lady Brabourne, who was Philip’s carriage-driving partner and one of his closest friends. She was a frequent guest of his at Wood Farm in Sandringham.
Three of Philip’s German relations will be among the 30 mourners. Their inclusion is a reflection of how close Philip was to his German family, as well as a reminder of how none of his sisters — who all married German princes — were allowed to attend his wedding to Princess Elizabeth in 1947 because of postwar anti-German sentiment.
The three relations — Bernhard, the Hereditary Prince of Baden; Donatus, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse; and Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg — are all reported to be isolating at the home of mutual friend in Ascot, Berkshire before the funeral.
Only two children will attend the service, Viscount Severn, 13, and Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor, 17, the children of the Earl and Countess of Wessex. The other royals will include the Duke of Gloucester, Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra.
Part 2
Before the funeral procession sets off the Queen will have a moment of reflection when her car draws up behind the coffin at the State Entrance to the castle and then pauses for a moment before it sets off. The procession following the Land Rover as it is driven to the west steps of St George’s Chapel will be led by the Prince of Wales and Princess Royal.
They will be followed by the Duke of York and Earl of Wessex, with Prince William and Prince Harry behind them, with Peter Phillips.
The other members of the royal family in the procession will be the Queen’s nephew, the Earl of Snowdon, and the Princess Royal’s husband Vice-Admiral Sir Tim Laurence.
The royals will be joined by six members of Philip’s household, including his private secretary Brigadier Archie Miller-Bakewell and one of his personal protection officers. Walking with them will be two pages and two valets.
They will walk without masks, but put on their masks before going into St George’s Chapel. The Queen, who will follow the procession in the State Bentley with a lady-in-waiting, will wear a mask as she is driven from the castle to the chapel. However, she will not follow the procession all the way, but stop at the Galilee porch, where the Queen’s car will stop and she will enter the chapel.
Buckingham Palace confirmed that royal men will wear morning coats with their medals and the women will wear day dresses. On the altar will be displayed some of the duke’s regalia personally chosen by himself, which will include nods to his Danish and Greek heritage.
His selected medals and decorations will sit alongside his Royal Air Force wings and Field Marshal’s baton, resting on nine cushions placed around the altar of St George’s chapel.
The insignia will include the Order of the Elephant, which is Denmark’s highest-ranked honour, as well as the Order of the Redeemer, the oldest and most important decoration awarded by the modern Greek state.
Also featured among the chosen pieces are the Order of the Garter and the collar and badge of the Royal Victorian Order.
Stephen Segrave, Secretary of the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood, said the chosen insignia would all represent British and Commonwealth orders and decorations, aside from the final cushion with the orders from Greece and Denmark.
“The Duke of Edinburgh had, I think, 61 decorations and awards from 53 different other countries, and there simply just wasn’t the space to have them all on display at the funeral,” he said.
New details also emerged about the Land Rover hearse that Philip himself helped to design in a project lasting 16 years. He had overseen modifications in the years after the Land Rover Defender TD5 130 was made at the company’s factory in Solihull during 2003.
Philip, who held special associations with the armed forces, had asked for the original Belize Green bodywork to be changed to Dark Bronze Green, the colour used for many military Land Rovers. He also designed the open top section at the back where his coffin will be placed, including “stoppers” to prevent the coffin from moving.
Buckingham Palace has refused to say what the royal family will do after the service. In normal circumstances there might be a wake, but coronavirus rules allow only outdoor gatherings of up to six people.
It would be hilarious if certain members of the family recieved an email the day before saying btw wear x uniform and others didn’t get copied in and showed up in suits.
LOL! genius observation 😁
Regarding Harry's academics. I thought I read Harry is dyslexic. Could account for his lackluster grades. Regardless, it is glaringly evident he is emotionally stunted and/or immensely immature. Read somewhere in thread too that he hasn't any real memories of his mom? Odd. I wonder how professional would interpret that disclosure.
No comment on JE/PA other than to say PA IMO is unfairly singled out as public enemy #1 considering majority of these articles stem from US.
It's disappointing to read that no uniforms are going to be worn at Prince Phillip's funeral. A real shame. He served the crown and country faithfully but in the end that was not enough. Once again it seems that the Queen has caved. I'm struggling to understand that a woman in her 90's facing the prospect of burying her beloved friend and partner was not in the frame of mind to deal with pouts and bruised egos and probably said ok, everyone will wear suits just to get some peace. It's the TOC all over again though when William and Kate let tradition go hang in order to soothe the dreadful duo's tantrums. With PP gone, is this how it's going to be? Pandering to the selfish, greedy soulless ones? It makes a mockery of the royals who are trying so hard to carry on PP's work.
When I first read that news yesterday, I was incandescently angry, too. It seemed that the Queen had once again chosen the easier route of appeasement toward Harry and Andrew and their bratty, egotistical behavior.
Upon reflection, I think this was the best call. It could be argued, with apologies to Commander Laurence, with whose service I am not familiar, that in truth, the only person present who deserves to wear full military honours on this occasion is Philip--who saw active duty in WWII, was 'mentioned in dispatches', and without hyperbole, saved the ship under his command and all the lives of the men on it by his valor and quick thinking.
A funeral is supposed to honor the life of the loved one, and ultimately, to honor God, who giveth and who taketh away. It should not be an opportunity for any of the living attendees to showboat their rank and position and show off all their shiny medals and gold braiding for the TV cameras. By equalizing the field among those present, the Queen has unilaterally removed that source of human ego and its resulting tensions. Perhaps others could come together despite differences to honor the life and legacy of their dear departed family rock, in appropriate uniform, without bad feeling ensuing visibly . . but that famiy is not the Windsors apparently--at least not its two most ass-hat members, jockeying to cling to the vestiges of their tainted glory.
The Queen's decision places the attention back to where it belongs: on Philip and God. Also handily derails any potential plans by Harry and Meghan to get footage of him in his military dress for any Netflix documentaries. Andrew and Harry have both removed themselves, via scandalous behavior, from their royal duties and military associations and with that comes the consequence of losing the privilege of wearing the uniform.
It would be fitting for the Duke of Ediburgh to be escorted from the chapel by Honor Guard, and I hope he will be. Actively-serving professional soldiers who are not members of Elizabeth's wildly dysfunctional family should be exempt from the decree of no uniforms.
I wonder if Harry will show up in his uniform anyway. Andrew will abide by what the Queen says, but H values the opinion of his wife more than his sovereign and grandmother now. What would happen if he just turned up in uniform? Ginger heads might roll. Basher would knock his block off.
He did it to himself. Had he kept his mouth closed he would probably still be a active member of the Royal family. He smeared himself in the interview.
I'm actually appalled that anyone would think young girls being trafficked all over the world for sex exchanges with very wealthy men is something to be admired or swept under the rug.
JE killed himself and his buddy pimp is now awaiting trial. Obviously authorities have enough evidence to have convicted them both, only the sick predator JE took the easy way out.
All the victims deserve to be respected as victims/survivor's of what happened to them. Someone like PA should never forget what he's done as all the rest who haven't been named publically should also.
I think JE targeted PA as an entree into the Royal world and this is the price he now has to pay. I'm pretty sure PA didn't voluntarily 'retire' from public duty, he was asked to step away.
Maybe the Queen forgives him, or maybe she's just too old to cope with all the drama and trauma, I don't know. But she does know he can no longer be a public face of Royalty. She forgives him because she's his mother, but that doesn't mean she forgives him for associating with a man that would eventually ruin his life. PA did this to himself, he's responsible, and he knows what he's done. Public opinion does matter and the Firm knows that.
I agree with one of the journalists (Dan Wootton?) that the Wessexes have behaved perfectly this week. Sophie has had a long apprenticeship, just like Catherine. Indeed, so has Edward, despite being born a royal. Never again must we have talk of hitting the ground running for a new royal spouse. I don't care who it is.
We must all accept it takes time. Being sure it's the right person. Getting engaged. Getting married. The Cambridge children in particular must learn from this later. Sad they have a black sheep uncle who has let down a kingdom, just as their father has a black-sheep uncle who has let down a kingdom and his father had the ultimate black sheep great-uncle who let down an empire. This has got to stop.
A couple of articles are mentioning photos put up by Archwell, seems Megs is upset and cross about the photo of PP with seven of his great grandchildren without Archie, probably Megs because Archie wasn't born, so she is using PR and the funeral to direct traffic to Archwell. Be careful on Archwell as they collect your data and also claim it and any info you leave for any future use without your permission. The photos are not new just rehashing the same old photos of Archie as a baby introduced to the Queen and Prince Philip. These articles may be PR puffing from Megs or made up.
Well, it is hard to take a photograph of an invisible child, after all. Perhaps they should post a picture of the doll strapped to her chest on the pap walk in Canada?
It seems they have altered the list a few times. I posted a list of the 30 from a Telegraph article the other day and it's been changed at least twice. I also wrote about how they have made arrangements for those closer members of the family/friends who could not be fit in with the 30, would be watching from a special streaming location.
Here is the latest list from the Times:
The Queen
Prince Charles/Camilla
William/Catherine
Harry
Andrew
Beatrice/Edo
Eugenie/Jack
Edward/Sophie
Louise/James
Anne/Timothy
Peter
Zara/Mike
Margret's 2 children:
Earl of Snowdon
Lady Sarah Chatto/Daniel
The Duke of Gloucester
The Duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra
German Family:
Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden
Prince Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse
Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Countess Mountbatten of Burma
This is only 29 but I think the 30th is one of PP's close aide.
The changes seem to be Prince and Princess Michael and the wives of Glouchester and Kent are no longer included. The husbands of the york girls have been added. The German family members have been added which required removing some Mountbatten family.
Decades ago I lived in England and dated someone whose sister was friends with someone who worked at the Palace. The friend gave her a tour and she sat on the throne and had her picture taken. I was appalled then and I am appalled now that Andrew allowed some of his friends to do the same.
Puts into perspective how most Royal service in branches of the military are basically for show. The one who deserves his uniform the least is the one who makes the biggest noise over it being taken away . . and I don't mean Andrew.
It was a welcome diversion from the drama surrounding the use of uniforms at the funeral. Just when I think I can’t hate Harry and Andrew any more than I already do, they prove me wrong.
Yes 30 and the number allowed under COVID restrictions in the U.K.. ;o)
I second this, I said something similar up thread. [Re PA]
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You did, I remember now and I think I wrote something to you.
@Lucy
Same, I agree with your last paragraph (9.45 pm). Thanks.
You put it beautifully, thank you! The queen's decision does mean there will be no distractions and the focus will be on giving Prince Phillip a dignified funeral. Andrew at least saw active service and was apparently willing to abide by his mother's wishes. But the Californian grandson ungraciously stuck to his demands. Makes me wonder why the family didn't drum into the numbskull the historical weight, prestige and sentimental meaning behind wearing the uniform. All he is knows is the dazzling show biz effects.
Also, upon reflection it occurred to me that by informing us that the queen has decided on suits and explaining the reason for it, the family has exposed the cry babies and their antics, telling the world what self-absorbed losers they are. The dreadful duo are probably congratulating themselves on their victory but it's a hollow one.
Keeping H & W apart reminds me of how the Govt and Opposition benches in the House of Commons are far enough apart for swords not to reach across the aisle.
Between them, I guess Peter Phillips and Mike Tindall, whom I believe will be just behind them, have enough Rugby experience to keep H & W apart - Peter in Ruby League (the North Country game, played for Exeter University) and Mike as an England International (Rugby Union).
Also, I don't think Anne would hesitate to put her foot out and trip Harry if appropriate.
Andrew might just flatten him with his weight, once he was down.
Whoops! I didn't see your funeral list before leaving mine. We've been having internet outages here in my area for the last couple of days and I keep losing access.
tatty said...
That is 30 people by my count.
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You are right - I missed Daniel Chatto when I counted.
That means that Prince Philip's private secretary Brigadier Archie Miller-Bakewell had to be removed from the original list.
UGH. This statement makes me angry because it is so true. I will not elaborate for all of us who already know or have seen it through a friend. Frankly, it is also a direct contribution to the business issue I mentioned earlier with his narcissistic fascination intent on destroying me, good times.
That said - I have a few ENORMOUSLY attractive gay friends (men obvs) who I would normally SWOON to be speaking with just because of their unbelievable faces but because they are gay, it is... just not like that.
The very interesting thing is one extremely handsome (omg) blonde fellow with a gorgeous toothpaste smile, you'd think he could have anyone right? But then one night we are walking and talking and he tells me basically that he can't help it but he's just not that into people who REALLY like him and ugh suddenly I understood that too.
Weird, just can't make anyone happy ha.
As for my taste in men, I prefer an average-looking man. It allows me to be the beautypiece (hey I'm a Leo) and I don't want to date a smoking hot man anyway, sounds dangerous. I'd rather be with a man who I have smoking hot chemistry with but he may look average to the world.
I'd leave it posted.
DYING. lol soooooo accurate. The skin bleaching is a bit cringe too.
I imagine PW's wounds are still infected with what PH has done to his family, his wife, and by default himmself.
I've had this situation in my own life with one family member and grieving is all I was capable of. My BPD (borderline personality disorder) sister who just months earlier had told me I was dead to her and she would never talk to me again was the first person to come up to me at the funeral home and I was livid.
I'm pretty sure this family is no different and I'm sure all of them are livid too.
@JennS said
I agree that the placement of Peter between the brothers is deliberate
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What do other Nutties think about this?
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Harry has to self isolate until the funeral so there won't be any opportunities for him and William to have a proper chat. He is 'desperate' to fly back to his jailer straight after the funeral (Stockholm syndrome) - I hope he has the decency to wait until Sunday - so if he really wanted to try to reconnect with William and the Queen and clear the air, he'd stay a few more days at least. Perhaps, though, William is not interested or at least, not now.
Emotions can be heightened at/after a funeral so now is not the best time. I also think the wound is too recent, although some words of apology and regret wouldn't go amiss.
Just my PoV.
It was confirmed by journalist *Max Hastings that Harry resigned in a fit of pique after his new Commanding Officer refused to indulge him and wanted him to be a proper soldier unlike his previous commanding officer who'd indulged him and gave him alot of leeway.
*Max Hastings is a journalist, documenterian, author and military Historian who spent a decade as Editor and Editor in chief of the Telegraph followed by 8yrs as Editor of the Evening Standard and is very establishment.
He continues to write columns for The Guardian, DM, The Sunday Times, The NY review of books and Bloomberg.
The army and Palace PR made sure Max column on the subject didn't gain traction and entire thing was handled as if Harry had simply reached the end of his army journey and the rumour was planted that emphasised his rumoured difficulty in a desk job as required for the rank of Major which was the next rank after Captain when he really wanted to be an action man.
I was just about to reply to your post and now I can't find it?
But anyway, just wanted to say - yes I agree that the placement of Peter between the brothers is deliberate and that the Times article is letting us know that things are not good between those two. None of the other news sources make this point but I trust Valentine Low.
Sorry, I deleted it because I thought maybe it wasn’t worthy of being posted. I’m glad you caught the “thank you” for providing us all with the articles from the Times and Telegraph, though. It is much appreciated.
Yes, I am so sorry, Jenn. I lost power for a bit
(some tornado clear out nearby) and went outside to plant in the lovely sunshine.
Got a few plants in, then rested my eyes for a minute.
Just woke up lol. No sunburn, Thank God.
But thank you, it was excellent feedback, and I am so glad you saved it. That was a ton of effort on your part.
Now to catch up!
I'm hoping some Nutties will be around during the funeral coverage. You "get it" and not many around me do.
It will be very interesting to see when Harry does leave to return home. I wonder if the info that he was leaving right afterwards was Meghan's PR or even a threat from her to him delivered through the newspapers!
If the tabs are to be believed, Harry is being kept from the Queen until after the funeral and I don't think that precaution is just for quarantine purposes. It sounds like he has not spoken to her over the phone either.
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Im still groggy I guess
Could you add the comments to your archives? So much work (thank you!) and such lovely comments😊
I get your hesitation here. These are dangerous days.
And fascinating about Peter Philips! He may have to wear a Sumo suit. I don't think anything will happen between the brothers...Harry is so passive aggressive he can't fight unless he is wasted (and MM didnt lend him his *alls for the trip)and William has too much dignity.
But I sure don't see them mending fences either. Again, Hs passive aggression, his wifes making a cake out of herself all week and his demanding to wear cosplay (and that is clearly the hill upon which he is willing to die) means neither will make the first move. Although I predict we will be reading about Harry's forgiveness all next week.
William has to have a hard time even looking at him.
My guess is Charles will re-enact the garden party departure one minute after H kisses HM and says good bye.
The Harkles just keep on self-sabotaging. My mom died in August, and everyone in the family bent over backwards to be accommodating and humble. This might have been the best chance Harry will have to make peace. But they could not.shut.up.
I think that even if they hadn't done the Oprah interview, the fact that Harry was stamping his little feet to wear the military uniforms which he no longer has any right to wear bodes very badly. He doesn't seem to have the Queen's feelings in mind at this difficult time. This is a flashing light to people who have any type of emotional intelligence.
One person suggested everyone from the public never refer to MM by name again. To always refer to her as Harry's wife.
I refuse to use her name myself and always use MM, but I thought about it and I think it's a really good idea. It takes away her identity as an individual, it takes away the me me me attitude, it makes her less important, and it takes away her power to control other's including all of us as individuals who don't like her.
If we stop acknowledging her as an individual and only as it pertains to Harry that will make her flip her lid, IMO.
To me I've always looked at her as a really long one night stand of Harry's and nothing more. She really doesn't have any power and she's certainly insignificant to the Royal family, she's like a mosquito who bites and dies. She's certainly getting on my nerves and I just want to swat her away like that annoying mosquito.
;*sob*
Thank you
I for one, would pay handsomely to see it.
H would not only take the first shot (if sufficiently lubricated) but he would hit William from behind.
We need to ask Zara to keep her phone handy, because that video is worth a fortune to somebody.
If only to prevent lawsuits from lady arachnid of montecito.
@JerseyGirl
In a mini rebellion of my own, I have tried go avoid using either name this week. It's very empowering!
@Puds and @AnT: Re: reasons why Harry left the army.
It was confirmed by journalist *Max Hastings that Harry resigned in a fit of pique after his new Commanding Officer refused to indulge him and wanted him to be a proper soldier
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I wonder if this is where he got the idea it was ok to be half in/half out, since he'd apparently been allowed to do that in the military, until he got that meanie new commanding officer.
Got it.
With the idea of someone actually needing to be between the two brothers means all those glossy articles about reconciliation or Catherine will step in and bridge the gap are just happy ever after wishes that the two brothers will walk into the sunset together.