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Open Post: Lacey, A Statue, and Appeals

There's a lot to discuss about the World of the Sussexes. We have the new chapters in Lacey's book, ANL getting approval to appeal the Letters Case, Diana's Statue Unveiling, and more. Let's discuss...

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ShadeeRrrowz said…
I’m guilty of making fun of the Dumbarton title as applied to Harry and his wife because it almost felt like HM was throwing shade. I would NEVER make fun of a real child.

However- they are not going to enroll Archie in school as “Archie, Earl of Dumbarton.” His kindergarten class (and maybe even his senior class) would likely have no clue as to his title. He’d be enrolled in school as Archie Mountbatten- Windsor.
Enbrethiliel said…
Re: birth certificate

@SirStinxAlot
I find it odd that the registrars office would allow anyone to use a title instead of their legal name on an official legal document.

On the other hand, I'm sure no one finds it odd that a narcissist extraordinaire wouldn't even allow her husband's name to be on their baby's birth certificate. Her own is allowed to be very prominent, of course.

While we're on the subject, has she ever called him by his first name? The "H" of the South Africa documentary and "Haz" with James Corden come to mind immediately. And of course, her personal favorite, "my husband."
LavenderLady said…
@Not Meghan Markle,
If Diana is sitting on a bench, I am going to LOL.
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I saw that on LSA this morning and thought "Well, ooooffff course...LMAO as well!!

It's so tiring staying one step ahead of Mrs. Spare. Sigh...
Enbrethiliel said…
@Pantsface
The duo should be grateful they are not the D & D of Shitterton, Fingeringho or Bitchfield!

Oh, my!!! With place names like those available, it's a wonder that Prince Philip (to give credit where it's presumably due) held back!

Just imagine . . . Duchess of Shitterton, Countess of Fingeringho and Baroness Bitchfield!
Enbrethiliel said…
@charade
Thank you for those links! I'll definitely listen to the final one later today.
LavenderLady said…
https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-cancels-chrissy-teigen-bullying-claims-courtney-stodden-kim-kardashian-mediation/

Don't know how reliable this is but it was an interesting read. 6W cancels Chrissy. Oh dear...
jessica said…
hunter,
Agree the Queen played the long game with Archie being Earl of Dumbarton. They sussed ‘whip-smart’ Meg and attacked her personal brand of ‘higher intelligence’ with ‘dumb’. LOL. Worked like a charm.

Yes I recall we all got a huge kick out of the title selection, and it’s fun to see that they decided against using them because of the name associations that could be made. Yep, Meghan. Exactly. Bravo for using your whip-smart intelligence! (I still think she reads this blog, because why wouldn’t she or Harry. They are as obsessed with their drama as we are :)
jessica said…
Anyone else notice they made their children’s births all about themselves re:birth certificate. Narc Alert!
Snarkyatherbest said…
i’m calling it. the mrs photoshopped/faked a birth certificate. tmz is one of her go to. i just can’t remember what at this moment. it was the post that had “archie” carried to school. nothing is ever straightforward with those two. hrh duke of sussex please. ugh. as i said. we will have daily crap between now and the unveiling.
jessica said…
Ahahahahahah! Meghan taking credit for the global cancelling of Chrissy:

While Meghan privately acknowledges the courage it took for Chrissy to publicly apologize to the world, she also accepts that she can’t be associated with her from an image standpoint,” another source tells Radar. “It goes against her inner humanity core. There’s too much on the line of what she’s building, and all the good she sees her and Harry doing in the world.”

“To put it bluntly, there’s no room for a ‘mean girl’ in Meghan’s close-knit circle of friends," adds another insider.

LOL of course she is. She always bandwagons her PR. As far as we were previously made aware, Meghan was BEGGING Tiegen for friendship.

Also, if Kris Jenner wanted to do a deal with Meghan, she already would have. Kris Jenner is the OG and GOAT of influencer PR.
hunter said…
I have to agree with the person who pointed out Harry's NAME isn't even on the birth certificate. It is always about her.

Is her name written as Meghan Markle on this one? I didn't follow the link... does she use her title this time also?
abbyh said…
LAX is huge so this could easily be just a timing coincident We have talked about something happening which might some how be proof how they need security but I really don't think this one is it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9723825/Harry-chauffeured-LAX-fly-London-unveiling-statue-mother-Diana.html
DesignDoctor said…
article in the DM says that a car breached the perimeter of LAX when 6 was arriving to fly to the UK prompting a police chase.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9723825/Harry-chauffeured-LAX-fly-London-unveiling-statue-mother-Diana.html
Fifi LaRue said…
@Snarky at 10:44 pm. Haha. She probably most definitely diverted the funds to her own private account. She needs lots of face work.
xxxxx said…
Leave Britney Alone (Complete)
5,284,905 views--- posted Aug 11, 2011
A blast from the past.
The wailing and emoting begins 2 minutes in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
LavenderLady said…
@Jessica quoted,
To put it bluntly, there’s no room for a ‘mean girl’ in Meghan’s close-knit circle of friends," adds another insider.
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I noted this as well. IMO she's the worst bully the BRF ever dealt with... since there's no 'off with her head' in this modern age, eh?

Makes one wonder how she manages to actually maintain a healthy "close knit circle of friends". Toxic is more like it...
jessica said…
Hunter,

No she uses Rachel Meghan Markle. No DofS or HRH.
jessica said…
Xxxxx,

I hope that guy sells it as an NFT and makes like a million bazillion dollars. The Britney story had me all sorts of emotional today. Poor woman.
Enbrethiliel said…
Re: Paparazzi Podcast Episode: "L.A.'s Finest"

What a great guest! He was clear and informative, giving us insight into why someone might want to work as a paparazzo. We often talk of "humanizing" celebrities, but this one humanized a tabloid photographer.

I don't "lol" very often, but I certainly did when both the British guest and the British host agreed that the Harkles are completely boring! (That happens at around the 11-minute mark.)
jessica said…
Enbrethiliel,

I don’t get why they think paps would chase them anywhere. They are boring and look as plain as 50s wallpaper. Even her arranged pap shots. It’s like really? ‘Middle class mom with the kid’ look? Harry and that polo?

Boring!
Enbrethiliel said…
@Jessica

I confess that I had kind of bought into the narrative that "everyone" wants photos of the mysterious Harkle children. Granted, if there actually were interest, they would have had a Suri/Shiloh style spread by now. My own personal concern is whether they even exist.

The rest of the episode gave me a real sense of a well-balanced ecosystem, in which the celebs and the paps (and the tabloids!) have a surprisingly respectful symbiotic relationship. The celebs know that they need the paps, so the former make sure the latter get a good shot. And the paps know the celebs are their bread and butter, so they behave as non-intrusively as possible. It's the bystanders who whip out their phones to film a celeb who are the annoying gadflies of the habitat. But now imagine a celeb who is both incredibly boring and incredibly litigious. Why would she be worth a skilled paparazzo's time, when he could make much easier money photographing the second coming of Bennifer 1.0?
jessica said…
@Enbrethiliel,

Oh I am HERE for Bennifer. I think Meghan and Harry did it all wrong trying to compete in LaLaLand with the true A-list (like Hot Rob). My husband and I talk about this all the time. He’s paid influencers in the past and done major deals with some of these celebs. There’s just nothing in the Meghan qualities list that she could be hired for and puts her ahead of current well managed C list actresses. Then she has the eternal problem of the deal makers only wanting ‘Prince Harry’. She’s spent a fortune keeping her name in the papers and she’s chasing her tail for quick advertising grabs while her name is in headlines. Harry is off being a mentally ill person somewhere. Idk. It just doesn’t look like they have good odds of becoming a ‘thing’ especially a ‘Bennifer’ or Britney. People love Britney, which is why everyone’s so upset and rooting for her. She comes across as a genuinely nice person and makes really iconic and fun music. 2 for 1 kind of celeb (great product, great personality). Meghan has a dead personality and terrible product.
Enbrethiliel said…
@LavenderLady and @Jessica

It's like the Jessica Mulroney scandal all over again, but this time, Harry's wife seems determined to ride the corpse of Teigan's reputation as far as she can. It would have been enough to brag that she had ghosted a bully; but then she also piled on extra detail about Teigan wanting to be her best friend and the Kardashians being excited about a possible connection through Teigen.

"She is most devastated over Markle." Really? A woman who (reportedly) reached out to her only a few months earlier?

After that article, what Teigen most likely is, is furious. First Harry's wife tries to copy her by faking a miscarriage, and now the unoriginal opportunist is getting ridiculous lies about her into print. Not that I feel very sorry for Teigen. But the article is a whopper!
I can't comment on the birth certificate as I've never seen any American one, let alone one from California, but it's interesting that American Nutties are suspicious.

I found it almost impossible to read (v.small and poor resolution on my screen, to say nothing of the `redactions'.) That alone makes me wonder.
@magatha

Thank you for Wetwang – I couldn’t believe my ears when I first heard that name, as I have few Yorkshire connections.

It makes perfect sense though. It started out as a field name, I gather, from Old English , probably just `wet field’ according to my Oxf. Dict. of Eng. Place-Names. These names can be even stranger - `Cat Brains’ is a classic.
HappyDays said…
Harry is apparently en route to the UK right now.

Driver arrested after driving through gate onto LAX airfield as Prince Harry waited for flight to UK: reports
Edmund DeMarche, Brie Stimson

Thu, June 24, 2021, 10:22 PM·1 min read

LOS ANGELES—A suspect who illegally drove onto an airfield at the Los Angeles International Airport was detained Thursday night, the same night Prince Harry was waiting to board a flight back to the U.K., according to reports.
At least two runways were briefly shut down after the driver broke through a gate at a FedEx air cargo facility, FOX 11 in Los Angeles reported.

A video from a helicopter showed about 10 police SUVs and a dozen officers at the scene. A CBS reporter said the car slammed through a gate at the FedEx cargo facility and, at one point, drove on the runway.

Harry is reportedly leaving California to attend the unveiling of a statue of his mother Princess Diana at Kensington Palace. He had been seen arriving at LAX in a black SUV, The Sun U.S. reported.
The prince's flight left 45 minutes after the airport incident, according to the outlet.
The airport said in a statement posted to Twitter that the airfield has been inspected and "One south runway has reopened and the other will open shortly. The north runways continued operating normally.
Miggy said…
@WBBM,

In the article in the DM, a lot of Americans are suggesting it may be a fake birth certificate. They are also questioning why it says 'parent' instead of 'mother' and 'father'.
I have no idea if that's the way things are done over the pond so will wait for our American cousins to comment.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9723255/Prince-Harry-styles-Duke-Sussex-HRH-daughter-Lilibet-Dianas-birth-certificate.html
@Miggy

I hadn't got that far with the DM yet so thank you.

Not at all surprised at the suggestion of fakery - I wonder how US bc's show surrogacy? Must curb my impatience!
jessica said…
@Enbrethiliel @LavenderLady

Teigen is probably throwing all that Target dishware all over her modern digs. I can imagine John Legend sitting there going through their black book looking for contacts to back them again, and scrolling his Twitter for more random accounts to attack and avenge his unhinged wife (seriously who tells people to kill themselves?!). Her blood is probably boiling that Meghan, who had written her supportive and kind notes, has decided to double down on her public humiliation and pile it on. She’s wanted to be as famous as Chrissy and probably hates that Chrissy was an influencer of note (i never liked her). But here’s the thing...John legend is super connected. He’s an EGOT ffs. His best pal is Kanye West who gave him his career. Like, Kris Jenner and Kim- what?! I thought it was pretty obvious and hilarious that Kim made Meghan a ‘runaway Royal’ in her video game. Like, that’s so funny! Underrated sense of humor in that family.

So, why is Meghan trying to paint it as Kris wanting to see her? Kris is waaaaaay more powerful in Hollywood. Is she trying to get Kris attention? It’s def a weird way to go about it. Is she trying to be seen as in ‘high demand’?

I, for one, would not mess with Kris. Meghan is not at all family oriented and displays terrible values. Kris would NEVER work with her.
HTTPS://WWW.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK/TV/2021/06/24/YET-ANOTHER-DIANA-DOCUMENTARY-MERCIFULLY-ONE-DIDNT-HAVE-PAUL/
Yet another Diana documentary, but mercifully this one didn't have Paul Burrell

ByAnita Singh, ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR24 June 2021 • 10:37pm

We do not need any more documentaries about Diana, Princess of Wales, but here they come.

July 1 would have been her 60th birthday, and which broadcaster is going to let that pass unremarked? Certainly not ITV. So while we wait for Diana’s Decades, a three-part series “taking in each stage of the princess’s life”, we have Diana, billed as an “epic documentary” immersing viewers “in the most iconic moments of the princess’s life”.


This feature-length documentary was directed by Jemma Chisnall, whose most recent credit is an Amazon Prime series about Tottenham Hotspur. It came as a relief to find that Diana was considerably less vulgar than the press release that accompanied it. That pre-publicity also described the princess as “the most mourned person who ever lived”, as if there is some league table that puts her above JFK, John Lennon and Jesus.


Chisnall recognised from the outset that we are very familiar with Diana’s story – particularly those of us who watched the last series of The Crown – and as a result she attempted to present from different angles. Quite literally, in some cases, such as Diana filmed from the back as she sat alone on that bench in front of the Taj Mahal.

ITV called it “the definitive account of her life” and perhaps has an eye on the future (and future sales). There will come a time, of course, when people are no longer familiar with the story and documentaries about Diana aren’t ten-a-penny, and people will want to learn about her life. Judged on those criteria, the film did a decent job, taking took us through the chronology – childhood, motherhood, unhappy marriage, global stardom and striking out on her own – and providing accounts from those close to her, including her cousin, Diana Macfarlane, her confidante, James Colthurst, and her astrologer, Debbie Frank.

There was nothing remotely new in their testimonies, but they painted a picture of her as a funny, high-spirited young woman who was, in Colthurst’s words, “much brighter than people gave her credit for”.

It was a tribute piece, rather than a clear-eyed examination of a complicated woman. But at least there was no sign of Paul Burrell.

Chisnall put her best footage right at the start: grainy home video of Diana visiting Ivy Woodward, a mother she had befriended during a hospital visit. She swept into the modest little house, dispensing hugs and smiles, then settled in for a cup of tea as family members crowded around.
Star quality, charisma, but an ability to put ordinary people at ease: the essence of Diana was all there in one scene.


At least it'll show up the difference between the real Diana and the ersatz wannabe we all know but don't love.
Magatha Mistie said…

@WildBoar

Or the sound made when slapping someone
across the chops with a wet haddock!!

Cat Brains-I like
Catwick, Catfoss and Fangfoss
Warter and Thwing
Noel Coward eat your heart out 😉
Ava C said…
@Hikari - thank you for your response to my post about when Diana died. I do appreciate the time and thought that went into it.

@WBBM - thanks for the Telegraph article about Charles' funding of H. I was hoping someone would provide it. The writer makes a mistake saying H actually got a whopping £4.5M in that final payment. It was shared with William's household and I've always read the practice was to split it evenly between them.

The media really must be careful to be accurate and not make sloppy mistakes, as M will be all over them if they do and use it to bolster her victimhood. The Sussex threat must be countered with extreme professionalism and rigour. Build on the contrast between their conflicting, vague stories and a facts-based media (if there can be such a thing any more).

That's why I really enjoy more heavyweight journalists like Andrew Neil commenting now as opposed to all the fluffy teenager-style coverage M feeds on. Andrew Neil would systematically destroy M in one brief interview. Any proper old-style journalist would.

Speaking of that, I very much enjoyed the Sun's list of Sussex Oprah 'lies', exaggerations and inaccuracies I saw yesterday. They worked through them in a list, one at a time. We know them already but it was good to see them set out like a revision aid.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15379715/meghan-markle-prince-harry-lies-oprah-claims-doubt/
Comment on the DM article about the `Certificate':

Rainforest, Nottingham, United Kingdom, 3 minutes ago

Its not spontaneous. They would have sat down with advisers, strategists and publicists. To decide what to put down to generate publicity and headlines around the world. Every thing is planned. Everything has a self serving agenda.


Meanwhile, don't call me `Madam', call me `Mrs- 'cos it's my new name!
@Ava C

Yes, so irritating when journalists slip up on something like that.

I do like you comment about a revision aid - that brought back memories of the little brown books originally published by Balliere Tyndall and Cox - between us all, we could probably write the definitive Aids to Meghanology.
SirStinxAlot said…
@Miggy... California is an ultra liberal state. They have a lot of same sex marriages and adoptions. I believe they took gender specific terms out years ago to be more inclusive. You can also have a 3rd gender on your license.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Jessica
Her blood is probably boiling that Meghan, who had written her supportive and kind notes, has decided to double down on her public humiliation and pile it on.

As difficult as it is to feel sympathy for a bully like Teigen, this is backstabbing snake behavior from Harry's wife. I'll bet the contacts in the Legends' black book will hear all about it, even if they'd rather lie low for now. But we can be certain that the whip-smart plan to appear kind by dumping Teigen will backfire on Harry's wife just like her embarrassment of Jennifer Meyer did.

Doesn't Harry's wife ever learn?
SirStinxAlot said…

Blogger HappyDays said...
Harry is apparently en route to the UK right now.

Driver arrested after driving through gate onto LAX airfield as Prince Harry waited for flight to UK: reports
Edmund DeMarche, Brie Stimson

Thu, June 24, 2021, 10:22 PM·1 min read

LOS ANGELES—A suspect who illegally drove onto an airfield at the Los Angeles International Airport was detained Thursday night, the same night Prince Harry was waiting to board a flight back to the U.K., according to reports.
At least two runways were briefly shut down after the driver broke through a gate at a FedEx air cargo facility, FOX 11 in Los Angeles reported.

A video from a helicopter showed about 10 police SUVs and a dozen officers at the scene. A CBS reporter said the car slammed through a gate at the FedEx cargo facility and, at one point, drove on the runway.

Harry is reportedly leaving California to attend the unveiling of a statue of his mother Princess Diana at Kensington Palace. He had been seen arriving at LAX in a black SUV, The Sun U.S. reported.
The prince's flight left 45 minutes after the airport incident, according to the outlet.
The airport said in a statement posted to Twitter that the airfield has been inspected and "One south runway has reopened and the other will open shortly. The north runways continued operating normally.

June 25, 2021 at 10:07 AM


That article is definitely from a spin doctor trying to lightly suggest that H needs security funded by UK or USA, not his own purse. Same as the article someone posted on the last thread referencing titles and in the same breath how the public likes to see the big family on the balcony. But the thing is half the people on the balcony don't have titles anyways. Titles have nothing go do with participating in royal events or balcony appearances. Just like the driver that drove through a FedEx fence doesn't have anything to do with H security. FedEx has been shot up by disgruntled employees numerous times. They really do treat their employees horribly compared to UPS.
A short answer to Enbrethiliel's question `Doesn't Harry's wife ever learn?'

No.
Miggy said…
@SirStinxAlot,

Thanks for the explanation. :)

I'm still seeing numerous people questioning the certificate's authenticity... so I guess we will have to wait and see.
I haven't been following this bit of the saga so correct me if I'm wrong - M vigorously denies bullying claim against her, becomes BFF with Chrissy but then believes the allegations against her and ghosts her?

Hmm.

Doesn't want people to think that birds of a feather flock together?
Not Meghan Markle said…
Looks like they want to try to be sure the RF can’t take their titles away by putting them on government documents. They must be desperate to keep them. Nothing else makes sense.

I was wondering about something similar a few days back, except I was thinking about MM possibly trying to change her name to DoS. I think your idea is more likely than mine.

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Lurking With Spoon said…
SirStinxAlot said… I have no doubt she has already submitted trademark for Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex in the United Ststes and will continue to use it post divorce/widow. Its all she has.

When I read this my mind jumped straight to when her name on the birth certificate got altered. Not entirely sure why, I can't think up a logical reason to connect the two further than someone needing an official document with that exact name arrangement/spelling on it, but I don't know how that would translate to copyright/trademark. The only scenario I could think of is someone wanting to change their name and needing to prove it was used previously on an official document (I have no idea if that's a plausible scenario or not, I know about as much about changing your name as I do about trademarking stuff - I could probably fit my knowledge of both together on the back of a stamp with plenty of room to spare lol).
June 20, 2021 at 10:11 PM
xxxxx said…

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/06/24/hollywood-celebrities-including-chrissy-teigen-who-have-been-eaten-by-their-own/

11 Hollywood Celebrities Who Have Been Eaten By Their Own

The woke cancel mob has developed a taste for its own kind — and at the top of the menu are left-wing Hollywood celebrities.

The recent cancellation of Chrissy Teigen, Billie Eilish, and Lin-Manuel Miranda shows that everyone is fair game now, even stars who have spent years building up left-wing credentials. Wokeness no longer discerns between right and left in its hunger to destroy everything it touches.

At least eleven Hollywood celebrities have seen their livelihoods come under attack from the cancel mob in recent months. The vast majority are left-wing or have expressed left-of-center views, which might have insulated them not so long ago but now offer no protection from the wrath of the woke.

(Chrissy Teigen is the first one named then moves on down the list)
Enbrethiliel said…
@WBBM
M vigorously denies bullying claim against her, becomes BFF with Chrissy but then believes the allegations against her and ghosts her?

Well noticed! It's a rich irony, isn't it? And the latest variation of the rule that narcissists will accuse other people of what they themselves are guilty of. At least Teigan wasn't an innocent bystander this time around.

Another instance of her kicking someone when he was down was her leaking a reaction to Prince Andrew's interview. And although no one had any sympathy for Andrew, either, well, his nephew's new wife jumping on the bandwagon was pure opportunism on her part.
Catlady1649 said…
@WBB
Birds of a feather,indeed !!!!
Miggy said…
OT- found this quite amusing.

Princess Diana's cruel tomato mousse trick when Oprah came to Palace to ask for interview. 😄

Snippets:

*In a new chapter of his popular book Battle of Brothers, royal author Robert Lacey claims Diana "never had much time for" the veteran broadcaster.

During the mid-1990s, Lacey writes, Oprah was keen to secure a one-to-one interview with the Princess of Wales - and even flew to London to try and convince her.

*Simone Simmons, a friend of the Princess, tells Lacey: "Diana felt very uncomfortable with Oprah. "She thought that Oprah was only after sensationalism - like when she interviewed Fergie about her book, and all she wanted to talk about was Diana."

The Princess was reportedly concerned Oprah wanted to speak to her to increase her ratings.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-cruel-tomato-mousse-24389641
It's laughable that M thinks she can avoid `contamination by association' when you consider all those she has Markled!
JHanoi said…
havent read the PD cruel trick on O article yet but, maybe thats why Oprah has set out to clandestinely ruin dimwit PH’s and the BRF families lives…. payback for tomato mousse !
Enbrethiliel said…
@Miggy

This is the first I heard of the tomato mousse. What a mean-spirited prank for someone with an eating disorder to play to on another woman who had just dropped a significant amount of weight. I get that she didn't like Oprah -- but in that case, why invite her over to be mean to her? Why not just keep saying no?

Also: Is the chef Darren McGrady the source of this story? While I enjoy his personal recollections from his time working with the BRF, some of his Diana stories have a thorn in their tail, if you take my meaning. I want to ask him: Come on, Darren, tell us what you really thought of her.

Finally, I wonder if Oprah ever told Harry about this.
SirStinxAlot said…
M put out a public statement trying to disassociate herself with Jessica Mulroney after her bullying came out. Yet a few months later JM posted photos of flowers M allegedly sent her as a gift.
Now M has put out a statement trying disassociate from Chrissy Tiegen after her bullying has come out. Will we see flowers posted on social media or pap photos in a few months?
Odd she is BFFs with these 'mean girls' but thinks its okay for herself to bully staff and other people. Birds of a feather, flock together. Throwing these women under a bus publicly will not help her save herself. No comment- would have been the smartest thing to do, but she's not whip smart.
I personally cannot recall a time that any working royal was caught by the paps going or leaving an airport. I’ve seen both Diana (post separation and divorce) doing so and now Mole. I think he called the paps like his Mum used to. He’s a fame junky now. 🙄

Now we have the revolting and unfunny James Corden telling us Mole has wanted to appear on his for years...😂 and Mole contacted him to do the interview because he wanted to cheer people up! 😂🙄😂 I’ve heard it all now!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9724863/Prince-Harry-offered-James-Cordens-chat-years-producer-reveals.html
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Blogger charade said...
@Lt. Nyota Uhura
I hope you're a believer of "better late than never." I am embarrassed by how long it took me but I finally finished rounding up the list of all "Paparazzi Podcast" episodes that feature the Sussexes I promised you. In my opinion, the most recent episode "L.A.'s Finest" which has a photographer that papped the BRF for a decade is worth the long listen.

_____

Don't be embarrassed -- you have a lot on your plate -- you're aces!! Thank you @charade! :)
Unknown said…
@Lt. Nyota Uhura
Thank you for that. I really hope you enjoy. I've been falling behind a lot lately but yesterday and today I have some time to catch up with life.
Unknown said…
@Enbrethiliel
Wasn't he such a great guest? That episode was so good. Honestly, I'm addicted to the show.

You might also like Prince Charles' former butler's YT channel. I posted about it a while back because of his series talking about his life with the BRF after Prince Philip passed away. His stories of HMTQ and Prince Philip are my favorite.

Link to Series: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9GdvCwxbdz9v9G7aEZ4QcqBegjI5mPl8
Snarkyatherbest said…
so we are to believe the chef prepared two mousses for lunch not one? if so the richer one would likely be best for the guest because maybe the slim version was much less flavorful and if oprah had the less flavorful one (i’ve tried some fat free mousse recipes let me tell you they can be a miss). then oprah would be all about diana starving herself (which was a real narrative at the time). aim thinking tthe chef is just poking the bear.

so harry just left. i thought he was already at frogmore cottage being waited on by princess eugenie? miss a day and the narrative changes. no doubt megs was trying to breach the airport grounds trying to hitch a ride on the flight. but yes. kinda convenient that something happened which helps the security narrative. i suspect we have another grounds intruder by sunday. as i keep saying we will have a spin a day. fake informational certificate yesterday. culmination will be pap walk pic with lilibet$ i’m going with no archie with this one. if we get one that means no one is offering big bucks on exclusive pics or the possible partners have suspicious behind the scenes they don’t have a baby or there was a surrogate.
Snarkyatherbest said…
oh interesting this morning lacey is walking back the rose and will rumors at least on how they were projected with people with no specifics repeating the rumor. unfortunately the mrs can use the excuse that she too had heard it but didn’t have direct knowledge. but at least some of this was walked back.

hmmm catherine crying before ceremony. i wonder about what. hey already knew about not walking in and i don’t think that would say her off. wonder if the family met privately and the mrs said something. hmmm what was it.
Grisham said…
Sir stinx said it: California’s documents are gender neutral, so parent 1 and parent 2 instead of mother and father.

I believe it is the real birth certificate.
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,
Here in my state the option for gender, whether parent or child is now wokified. So, I
suppose it doesn't matter if dad's name is Sue and mom's name is Earl; with baby's name listed as XYZ123!

I haven't researched it but I have read the local news about the "modernizing" of documents to fit the current ahem..."trends".

I have a hard time believing a birth document of a born Royal would allow for such flippancy. But it is Cali-for ni-aye and not British soil, so...

It looks fake to me but I've yet to be privileged enough to actually view a Cali state doc, especially a Royal one, (sarcasm here).

I think we can all agree Cali is at the forefront of anything goes, unfortunately.
LavenderLady said…
@Enbre, @Jessica,
Great thoughts on the Teigen affair. So true!!

Yes, just the row de jour concerning the Wife! Dang, who has she NOT tangled with?
Her MO seems to go big in social climbing, have a bust up with much sought after connections, then disassociate (read discard) them, and for the grand finale: state you are stepping away because your circle of friends must only blow sunshine and unicorns out of their backsides.

I can't think of a more exhausting specimen of Trouble as that Thing as I used to call her when I first signed on to the blog. She's a mess...

@Charade,

Thank so much for the links! I especially am looking forward to the YT content by PC's former butler.

You are very appreciated!! Hugs.
Ava C said…
I don't think the tomato mousse incident was that bad. It would have been much worse to secretly give Oprah sugar rather than fat. In my experience, if you're dieting, after the first few days of being hungry you settle down and adjust to being on an even keel. However, if you have sugar you become hungry all over again and it takes another couple of days of fighting hunger pangs to get back on track. Sometimes it knocks you off course altogether and you don't start dieting again for ages. So hidden sugar would have been real sabotage.

Amazing to see how many tomato mousse headlines there are online today! Shows how things spread like wildfire in less than 24 hours.

I watched that risible H and M trailer on escaping the Palace. Oh I don't want to lose you! I can see it's going to happen again! (or something like that). To which I just sit and holler "Wear a bloody seatbelt then!"
Elsbeth1847 said…
Birth Certificate

One comment on the DM stated that the birth certificate is to be issued withing 48 hours but this is dated 5 days after the birth.

I am thinking about that may be what is supposed to happen but with covid, things may have gotten a little out of whack and may/may not have returned to normal.

Family member is supposed to buy a car and was told that the license and title paperwork was running months behind after covid started because they didn't want people returning to the office.
xxxxx said…
https://www.ibtimes.com/heres-how-much-chrissy-teigen-likely-earns-sponsored-instagram-posts-3226049

By Renz Soliman
06/15/21 AT 6:31 AM
KEY POINTS
Chrissy Teigen has more than 34 million followers on Instagram
The model makes around $69,559 to $115,931 for each sponsored post (Impressive! But I doubt she can earn that much now )
Teigen has released two cookbooks that became bestsellers (9000 reviews at Amazon)

***** The article omits her line of cookware. Seems that at least three large retailers have dropped it
***** CT's bullying has cost her millions now and in future earnings

***** So Megs will go scorched earth on Palace bullying claims. Will find legal ways to threaten to defame and ruin all Palace workers who will testify. This is why so far none have been named.
The tomato mousse story has a ring of familiarity about it - I may have read it way back as part of a `Diana ain't the angel you might think' narrative.

Another narc trait I've seen is that they criticise you about what you eat, even when under doctor's orders. It became clear who my real friends were when I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic and had to lose 10% of my BW and avoid sugar.

Nobody pulled any tricks, as far as I know, but they were damned if they'd put themselves out. The first Christmas, bounced into lunching with relatives, the attitude was `Oh, you'll be able find something to eat.' I recall sitting about 15- 20 mins without anything while the others scoffed large portions of Xmas pudding and cream, while saying how scrumptious it was. I kept quiet but eventually someone asked me if I'd like a satsuma and lobbed one down the table to me.

Funnily enough, they're the people who always make a fuss about their specific needs (often imaginary, in my view, but I say nowt and comply when I'm feeding them.)
Enbrethiliel said…
@AvaC

That's an interesting point about fat vs. sugar; but for me, it wasn't about sabotaging a diet. (I also wonder if Diana would have known the difference between sneaking someone some fat and sneaking her some sugar.)

The ingredients themselves may not have been so bad, but the whole set up of inviting someone you don't like to a meal so that you can feed her something that mocks her recent weight-loss success story, when you yourself are struggling with an eating disorder, just seems really malicious to me. And then she pretended she was eating the same thing and lied about working out to burn the calories. It was very "mean girl" of Diana. The only way this could have been worse is if she had some other friends over and they were all in on the joke. And the only way it could have been better is if Diana had eventually let Oprah in on it so that they could both laugh a little.

Darren McGrady has always been loose-lipped when it comes to the royals he used to work for, but the tomato mousse story seems like some relatively new tea. What do all the Nutties think about why it's finally coming out now? Cui bono?
lizzie said…
If its true, I do think Diana's tomato mousse "prank" was bad. It wasn't dangerously bad (or criminally bad) like secretly giving sugar to a person with known poorly-controlled diabetes or reactive hypoglycemia. Or hiding drugs in food. Or exposing a person to a known allergen or a religiously-prohibited food.

Unless the full-fat version was absurdly high fat inducing a heart attack (which one high fat meal can do) it wasn't going to hurt Oprah. But it was still evil-- giving someone food in your own home and telling them it's something else while internally laughing.

For me, it wouldn't have been quite so bad if Diana had claimed the dish was low fat when it wasn't and they'd both eaten it. But no, she wasn't going to eat the crap she fed her guest. So she had the chef make her an actual low fat version. Ick. Was kind of high school "mean girl." Maybe M and Diana do have something in common.
Enbrethiliel said…
@WBBM

Jeez, did they expect you to feast on nothing but citrus fruit at Christmas lunch? Meals can turn into such power plays.

This reminds me of a food-related story from a few months ago on the "Am I The Asshole?" subreddit. The woman who wrote it had a very sensitive stomach; she couldn't eat certain foods without spending a long, loud time in the bathroom afterward. So although there were many rich dishes she liked and "could" eat, she abstained from them for the sake of her own comfort.

But one evening, when she was invited to dinner at her fiancé's parents house, they completely disregarded her dietary needs. Instead, her future mother-in-law served her some really spicy chicken and told her "to live a little." So she decided to teach them a lesson. She had some of the food, and after about an hour, when her digestive system began its expected protest, she deliberately used the bathroom right next to the living room where all the family were gathered. It took over fifteen minutes, and she was pretty sure they could hear and smell it from the other side of the door. When she finally emerged from the bathroom, her fiancé's entire family was stone silent.

Unfortunately, not everyone whose dietary restrictions are disrespected or belittled can illustrate why that's a bad idea in such an effective manner.
xxxxx said…
Royal protection officers outside London Heathrow Airport waiting for Prince Harry >>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9723825/Harry-chauffeured-LAX-fly-London-unveiling-statue-mother-Diana.html

******Royal protection officers pick up Hapless/ Papped by Backgrid. Either M alerted them or they were staking out Heathrow.

DM sez---->>>

At Heathrow Airport this afternoon, one traveler from Los Angeles to London told MailOnline that they could have sworn they saw someone that looked like 'Prince Harry in sweats' on board their flight.

The woman, who gave her name as Natalie, said: 'I was sat in business and I woke up after a nap and got up to stretch my legs. I was walking up and down and I could have sworn I saw a guy in first class, in sweats, asleep.

'It might have been him? But then, it might not have been? When do you see a Prince in sweats? I told my friend I saw someone that looked a lot like him, but she did not believe me at all. If it was him, that's crazy. That's the most English thing ever - sharing a flight to London with Prince Harry.'

Harry did not exit through the main international arrival gate at Terminal Five, and there was no security personnel or commotion at the airport. Very few people were waiting there, and it was mostly sparse and socially distanced.
LavenderLady said…
@Miggy,

Loved the piece on the tomato mousse. Badda boom! Diana had some wickedness in her looooool.

These two comments from the article stood out to me:

In a new chapter of his popular book Battle of Brothers, royal author Robert Lacey claims Diana "never had much time for" the veteran broadcaster.

Simone Simmons, a friend of the Princess, tells Lacey: "Diana felt very uncomfortable with Oprah.

----

Diana may have been a lot of things but she wasn't a dim bulb. This correlates with Prince Phillip's declaring the Oprah interview regrettable and and not ending well. Oprah is a carpet bagger opportunist. I have thought so for ages. Nothing she does surprises me.

I'm adding Diana to the list of Royals who saw That Thing Harry Married (via Oprah), coming and said a hard "NAY"...

Harry the Dim Bulb must not have known the story or perhaps he would have thought twice if his beloved mother would say from the grave psssst me boy don't trust Oprah! Ugh.
LavenderLady said…
@Enbre,

Oh my dear, that tale of toilet woe gave me my laugh for the day! What a Classic burn :D

I can relate WBBM and others, as I suffer from a digestive disorder that demands I stick to only certain foods and avoid others strictly. My fams had a hard time coming to terms with my not eating many dishes prepared for gatherings. My sympathy to those who know what this is like. I'll will leave it there...
SirStinxAlot said…
@tatty, the birth certificate was issued 5 days after the birth. Not possible. Not just because government agencies are inefficient, covid 19 slowing things down, but also California state takes 10-12 weeks to process.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CHSI/Pages/Vital-Records-Obtaining-Certified-Copies-of-Birth-Records.aspx
SirStinxAlot said…
Another interesting tid bit for you to chew on...
ADOPTION ATTORNEYS CAN REQUEST THE CHILDS ACTUAL BIRTHDATE TO BE ALTERED....Which means H$M could have specifically chosen Archie and Lilis birthdates to correspond with significant historical dates. Yup, Im suddenly team surrogate. I previously thought M was actually pregnant and just wearing padding to look bigger but now...

https://www.adoptivefamilies.com/parenting/changing-an-adopted-childs-age/
xxxxx said…
LavenderLady said...

Diana may have been a lot of things but she wasn't a dim bulb. This correlates with Prince Phillip's declaring the Oprah interview regrettable and and not ending well. Oprah is a carpet bagger opportunist. I have thought so for ages. Nothing she does surprises me.

Oprah is a greedy loony opportunist for sure. When you show up to be interviewed by her don't bother asking for any lunch. Because what is on the menu is you.

A story---
In the 1990s I had a Native friend. Actually pure half-Native and half white from Kansas. I started ragging on Oprah and she got very offended, so I stopped. She must have identified with Oprah as being marginalized same as she felt she was. Until then I never thought about her "race". I knew she was native but figured she was as white as me. Our social circle was all white. She must have suffered in her past due to her "Indian-ness". Places like Kansas can be rough on Natives. Oklahoma too?
Ava C said…
@Enbrethiliel - the whole set up of inviting someone you don't like to a meal so that you can feed her something that mocks her recent weight-loss success story, when you yourself are struggling with an eating disorder, just seems really malicious to me. And then she pretended she was eating the same thing and lied about working out to burn the calories. It was very "mean girl" of Diana.

Yes when H says M and his mother would have really taken to each other, I think yes, but not for the reasons he means. They share things like immaturity, vindictiveness, narcissism and failure to see the bigger picture and act accordingly. The difference is Diana could be kind and only became narcissistic, quite understandably so given the media attention right from her engagement onwards. M seems fundamentally flawed in a far deeper way. The dark triad Lady C was talking about yesterday. They both had mental health issues but Diana was treatable. M is not. She can only be contained. Like nuclear waste.

The real clash would have been between Diana and Catherine. Catherine is doing the most important things and doing them right. Supporting not competing with her husband, bringing up children happily but not forgetting their future roles and finding a cause to champion in her own slow but steady way. No one could champion a cause like Diana but for those other aspects she was like a wrecking ball that goes on swinging forever.
Mel said…
If the mousse story is true that's just plain cruel.

Someone in my family had eating issues which the in-laws thought were fake. They deliberately didn't let them know that some ingredient they couldn't have was in the food that day.

Guess they finally got the picture as I'm on the phone calling an ambulance and starting CPR. I've never been so scared in my life.

Pretty sad that it took that big of a scare for them to take it seriously.
Grisham said…
Sirstinx, they did get the copy sooner than I would have thought but it’s also a small hospital so… maybe?
Teasmade said…
It's funny about the mousse story and people calling D a "mean girl." Something very similar actually happened in the move "Mean Girls."

It was a good trick but on the other hand, why not give your guests the "good stuff" and you eat the diet version? You can get the good stuff any time.

Also, UK dairy products are richer than in the U.S. Double cream, and all that. Oprah was really being given a treat!
Enbrethiliel said…
@AvaC
Yes when H says M and his mother would have really taken to each other, I think yes, but not for the reasons he means. They share things like immaturity, vindictiveness, narcissism and failure to see the bigger picture and act accordingly. The difference is Diana could be kind

Now that you've pointed it out, I do see a parallel between Diana's pranking of Oprah and Harry's wife's discarding of Chrissy. While it's hard to feel sympathetic toward Oprah and Chrissy, that doesn't excuse treating them shabbily. It was a mean move on Diana's part and textbook narc behavior on Harry's wife's part. But I do agree with you that Diana at least had redeeming qualities that her second daughter-in-law does not.

And I'm also of the opinion that Diana and Catherine wouldn't get along. Not just because Diana would likely have been very jealous of her "soul mate" son's wife, but because they are so different. And now may all the Nutties forgive me, but I recently rewatched Monster-in-Law and could imagine Diana and Catherine in a similar dynamic: a Grande Dame mother-in-law too short-sighted to see that she's not losing a son, but gaining a daughter . . . and an initially intimidated daughter-in-law who takes a while to find her footing in the family. At least that movie had a happy, heartwarming ending.
Snarkyatherbest said…
tatty. o believe birth certificates are processed with the county and in california (in fact a lot of counties and states) they are behind processing anything due to workers either wrong. from home or only half staffs working in person. add onto that a rush of requests for certified birth certificates for real ID on licenses and passports which are required by next year (was last year but delayed by covid) i would imagine it will take a while for anyone to get a certificate processed.
SirStinxAlot said…

Blogger tatty said...
Sirstinx, they did get the copy sooner than I would have thought but it’s also a small hospital so… maybe.

Tatty, birth certificates are issued by the vital records office NOT the hospital. I posted a direct link to the California vital records office stating it takes atleast 20-12 weeks to process. Please read the 2 links I provided. The second is for adoption attorneys being allowed to request changes to childrens actual birthdates for various reasons, including privacy.
Enbrethiliel said…
@SirStinxAlot
ADOPTION ATTORNEYS CAN REQUEST THE CHILDS ACTUAL BIRTHDATE TO BE ALTERED

Stuff like this is the reason I'm ambivalent about adoption. Perhaps the parents will let their child know his or her actual birthday later on or there will always be a record of the changed date in the system. But if the record will always show only the altered date, it's as if parents and child begin their life as a family with an official lie.
abbyh said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9725641/Did-Clumsy-Charles-cause-Megxit-Mails-Palace-Confidential-experts-examine-new-royal-claims.html

If giving them the wedding of the dreams, the wardrobe of last several years, walking her down the aisle and so is about not making her feel welcome, I'd hate to see what his don't like go away behavior would be.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Teasmade
I know exactly what you're talking about from Mean Girls! But of course the use of food in the "pranking" of women and girls who may already have unhealthy relationships with their bodies didn't begin with the movie. In fact, it seems universal enough that we all have a related story to tell!

I've shared the AITA post, but there's another incident I witnessed firsthand. When I was in uni, I saw a friend sneak beef broth into a soup she was supposed to share with a vegetarian roommate. It wasn't because she thought it might be funny, but because the roommate had been sickly lately and my friend was genuinely worried about her health.

It was a good trick but on the other hand, why not give your guests the "good stuff" and you eat the diet version?

Had she been honest about eating the diet version instead of pretending she could eat rich stuff in small portions and remain slim, we wouldn't be discussing it this way. She wasn't being an accommodating hostess here. She literally invited someone into her home with the intent to deceive.
SirStinxAlot said…
Correction on previous post 10- 12 weeks.
LavenderLady said…
@xxxxx,

Thanks for the story on your Native friend.

I would prefer not to discuss Native issues for obvious reason but thanks for asking.
Maneki Neko said…
Two letters from Telegraph readers:

Dumbing down

SIR – If the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were concerned about their son being bullied for using the title Earl of Dumbarton (report, June 24), could they not have chosen the other spelling, used by the councils of both East and West Dunbartonshire (where I grew up)? Since the name derives from Dùn Breatann, Dunbarton would be more appropriate.

Eldon Sandys
Pyrford, Surrey

More appropriate but this would imply that H knew the origin of Dunbarton. The wife wouldn't have known and had zero interest.


SIR – The Sussexes are right to reject the title Dumbarton for their son.

Not only does it contain the word “Dumb”, suggesting that he’ll be stupid, but it also contains “Bart”, suggesting he’ll be an out-of-control underachiever, and “ton”, implying that he’ll be unhealthily overweight.

Archie, on the other hand, is made up of “Arc” (another word for rainbow), “hi” (the universal greeting) and “e” – the letter signifying “eco” and all things good. Diversity, inclusiveness and environmentalism all in one name.


Cynthia Harrod-eagles
Northwood, Middlesex

Good one :-)
LavenderLady said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9725283/The-TV-interview-proved-Ted-Bundy-guilty-according-body-language-experts.html

I didn't subject myself to the Oprah interview so maybe some here saw similarities?
Grisham said…
I meant a smaller hospital would get the info to the state quicker. Also, maybe they were thinking of taking the whole family so they paid or asked for her birth certificate to be expedited so that they could get her a passport, which they can’t get without a BC.

The timing is quicker than I expected, but that also doesn’t mean anything hinky is going on.
Grisham said…
https://countyofsb.org/care/recorder/vital-records/births.sbc


“ Our office has birth records from the current year back to 1850. Or records only include births that occurred in Santa Barbara County.

Please allow 4-6 weeks from the date of birth for certificate copies to be available for purchase. If you need a Birth Certificate sooner, you may request a certificate directly from the Santa Barbara County Public Health Department's Office of Vital Records.”
jessica said…
Soooo I’ve been in the position where I had to expedite a birth certificate for a passport for one of my babies. I got the document in less than 5 days (3 business days) from birth. It wasn’t in CA, but they probably have something similar.
Karla said…
RE: DUMBARTON
Is he comfortable staying at FROGmore maybe that Staying at somewhere named after Amphibia.
He might be known as the Prince Frog.
Karla said…
RE: DUMBARTON
Is he comfortable staying at FROGmore maybe that Staying at somewhere named after Amphibia.
He might be known as the Prince Frog.
SirStinxAlot said…
@tatty why would Lilibet need to be added to a passport if she isnt traveling? Some airlines don't even allow it. H allegedyly just flew commercial.


Blogger xxxxx said...
Royal protection officers outside London Heathrow Airport waiting for Prince Harry >>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9723825/Harry-chauffeured-LAX-fly-London-unveiling-statue-mother-Diana.html

Here is a link to help guide patents when considering flying with an infant. Infants require a passport to travel internationally. Airline age limits vary and may require doctors note stating your infant is healthy enough to fly. It is still discouraged due to Covid19.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fatherly.com/play/flying-with-an-infant-internationally-what-you-need-to-know/amp/

Maneki Neko said…
Slightly O/T

Re the diamond earrings given to the wife by a Saudi Prince:

'ALLEGEDLY, THE S AUDI PRINCE WAS A ‘CLIENT’ OF MEGAIN’S WHEN SHE WAS WORKING AS A ‘YACHT GIRL’ - HENCE THE OVERLY GENEROUS GIFT, WORTH HALF A MILLION POUNDS. IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT MEGAIN WAS INTRODUCED TO THE SAUDI PRINCE BY THE FATHER OF DODI AL FAYED - MOHAMMED, FORMER OWNER OF HARRODS - AGAIN ALLEGEDLY, AS A FORMER CLIENT OF HERS AS AN ESCORT. '

(Sorry, it's in capital letters). Keep it in the family, as it were (she can claim another connection to Diana).

https://yankeewally.tumblr.com/ - scroll down a bit.
Aca C - mentioned `Nuclear waste'

A brilliant simile!

I wonder how long her half-life might be?

Even Diana goes on and on, at toxic levels which will persist at least until the last British person born before 1997 has departed this life.

For Markle, the first generation to be free of her influence has yet to be born. It'll be a long wait. Had she been born in England, she would have an evens chance of making it to 87, having got to 40.

I can't find the equivalent tables for a 40yr-old female in California - can anyone help? Any actuaries among the Nutties? I realise that mean age of death can be very misleading - it depends how wide the bell curve is.

I suppose that unless one lives a Loma Linda lifestyle, the average won't be so different from here. I can't see her doing that.

What a horrible thought, another 40+ years of Markle.
@Maneki Neko

Now why aren't I surprised, allegedly, by that snippet from Yankee Wally?

No accounting for taste.
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,

re: wondering how long Mess will live.

It's been my experience those mutant types have longevity. I have had some mighty nasty people in my life over the past 60 some years and they don't croak early.

I think we've discussed the capos in the prison camps during WWII. That type are reptiles and will do ANYTHING to survive, so yeah, longevity for her is a gruesome thought.

Someone in an article I read recently referred to Mess as young! What the carp? She's 39 so when she hits the big 40 perhaps that shine will turn to dust finally as we are seeing with Kim K.

I've always detested Julia Robert for personal reasons that I won't go into here. I used to count the days she turned 40 so Hollywood could say "Next!". I think ageism is no bueno but in the case of obnoxious people (like Mess), then yeah.

I hope we see less and less of her now that major news sources are outing her psychopathy...which IS the Kraken IMO. Once that nugget was released, nothing is safe ha!
@Lavender Lady

Sadly, I agree. They say only the good die young.

I often mutter that Old Age isn't for wimps. One needs both mental and physical toughness. My mother made it to 91 - I'd say she qualified for that notorious medical abbreviation `TBMTD', that is `Too Bloody-Minded To Die'.

On the subject of secretly feeding people on material they wouldn't want, I was on
tranquilisers to help me cope with Narc2. Logically, he was the one that needed them, not me. I wondered whether to slip them into his tea but didn't - I'm just don't do that sort of thing.
Grisham said…
I’m just saying, maybe when she was born they thought maybe they would take her and Archie to London, which would mean she would need an expedited birth certificate, which is a thing and is possible. In the meantime, they decided to keep Meghan, Archie and Lili home and just Harry go. I also noticed it’s just been released that Catherine and the kids aren’t attending either.

It’s possible on June 4, they thought she might go so expedited her birth certificate and then a week or so later decided Harry would just fo by himself.

For American Airlines, an infant has to be 2 days old to fly. If they flew private, even better.

Thanks, Jessica, for the information.

This isn’t a hill I’m going to die on. I’m just saying it’s possibly and it makes sense.
Grisham said…
Also, Covid restrictions were recently extended in London, so it also makes sense that on June 4, both families with kids were going to attend but now that the restrictions have been extended, both wives and kids are not attending.

People change plans all the time.
Karla said…
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Ava C said…
I'm reading Lady C's book about the Queen Mother. Here she is writing about the future Edward VIII, also known as 'David' and the similarity with H is striking:

David, however, was one of those emotionally needy individuals whose impulses override the more rational elements of their personality. Like many extremely dependent people, his feelings in the present wiped out those of the past, and once he made an emotional connection, the impulse was overpowering.

Earlier today I was remembering the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral. He took such care of H after Diana's death and yet at his funeral H may as well have been tapping his watch. Just looking for the right moment to try to create a useful photo opportunity, the minute the servic was over. M has extinguished all family feeling in him, and now he's as psychologically barren and isolated as she is.

Where did that love for his grandfather go? M must welcome H going for the statue ceremony as it revives his royal connections which were in an increasingly sorry state. She will have put H on his bench before he left and given him permission to still love his mother. After all, she's dead. No threat to M. If Diana was alive, M would have separated H from his mother too.
SirStinxAlot said…
If H$M were planning to return for the Diana statue unveiling as a family, why not give birth in UK? Archie could visit with family. Rumor was H might bring him while M recovered from the birth. Both children would have been born in the same country.
They may have gotten some royal perks unlike the ongoing tornado of suspicion. And allegedly having a UK doctor skyping in ( Idon't believe this actually happened due to legalities).Considering all the griping they have been doing over titles, it would have been more endearing to the UK public and RF. Another missed opportunity. JMO
Karla said…
I'm confused...

Spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex clarified to Insider that the title "His Royal Highness" is still legally part of Harry’s name, which is why he was required to put it in the birth certificate.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-drops-hrh-title-prince-harry-keeps-lilibet-diana-birth-certificate

...
"His Royal Highness" is still legally part of Harry’s name".
...
ROYAL titles are awarded by the Queen to members of her family, but only some members of the Royal Family hold the prestigious title of His or Her Royal Highness (HRH).

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle recently stepped down from their positions as senior royals and, although they are keeping their HRH titles. Buckingham Palace said in a statement earlier this year: "The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family."

...
The Royal family name.
"For the most part, members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname, but if at any time any of them do need a surname (such as upon marriage), that surname is Mountbatten-Windsor.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-family-name
Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar

Ha ha! I wasn't surprised in the least (Yankee Wally) either.

°°°°°°°°°°

@tatty said

Covid restrictions were recently extended in London

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Restrictions are in still in place throughout the UK until 19th July. There is no way M would attend with a newborn baby. In any case, I doubt the baby would be able to get a passport so quickly.
Grisham said…
Puds, all birth certificates I have ever see in the US are “certificates of live birth” (because some babies are born still and not alive).

Strangers can only get uncertified live birth certificates with redacted information (because it’s really none of anyone’s business if you aren’t a relative) but the child or parents/relatives/guardian get certified birth certificates which are used as legal documents.

The press, nosey people, strangers etc don’t get the certified copy.

All birth certificates in the US are called “certificates of live birth”.
Grisham said…
Maneki, with proof of travel, one can get an expedited passport the same day at a passport center. (In the US).

Expedited birth certificates and expedited passports are possible…
Puds said:

The father should give his birth name or legally changed name? Not his Courtesy title.

Could Harry have changed his name?

Not under English Law!

This is a note about name change here, and its interesting quirks:

We can call ourselves what we like as long as it's not for criminal purposes.

Women do it all the time when they marry - the marriage certificate is adequate proof.

Changing a surname, for any one, is straight forward - it's done by Deed Poll. I reverted to my maiden name because I was sick of being called by Narc2's surname. I used a Solicitor, it was relatively cheap and the Deed was formally registered so can always be checked.

First names are a different matter if one has been baptised & named in a Christening service as an infant, which we knew H has been. I recall someone went to the Civil Court because the secular authorities refused to allow him the change his baptismal name. The Judge actually said, and was ridiculed for it, that the name `had been given by God' and there was nothing he could do about it!

I think may be 2 reasons for this -

1. Baptism takes place under Church/Canon Law, not the Civil Law. A judge in an secular court has no jurisdiction in such matters. (I don't know if this only applies only to CofE ceremonies - I'd think the same caveat might apply with RC ceremonies)

2. Baptism is regarded in Church Law as a `once and for all' matter, it cannot be undone or repeated - the name is an integral part of the ritual.

I've known a couple of women who adopted a new `Christian' name, one on marriage, the other at Confirmation, but I don't know whether that was accepted for formal purposes.

I assume the actor born Maurice Micklewhite was able formally to change to his stage name in late life because he hadn't been baptised in such a service. (He had had enough of immigration officers refusing him entry to the UK on the grounds that he was carrying somebody else's passport, so convinced were they that he was Michael Caine - he was, of course.).

The upshot is that, unless the then AofC had said in 1984 `I baptise this child `Duke of Sussex' in the name of the Father...', H is stuck with Henry etc. under English Law.
SirStinxAlot said…
@Karla
...if it came from Sussex camp, its probably bologna.
SirStinxAlot said…
For the record, it is acceptable to use an alias on a birth certificate. It doesn't relieve you of parental responsibility or validity of the birth. Ising an alias is apparently not unusual. I found several stories, some adoption related, others just mistakes on the paperwork.

https://adoption.com/forums/thread/116717/did-birthmother-use-alias-name/
lizzie said…
I don't believe HRH is "part of Harry's name." That's dumb and is like saying Mrs. or Dr. is part of a person's name once acquired. And if HRH were part of his name, would that mean his tombstone would have it? Not to be morbid about Harry, but I've not seen that usage for other dead royals. Kings' and Queens' tombs hold their regnal names, not HM.

So far as I can tell, the form requires the mother's maiden name. There is not nor has there ever been a HRH Meghan Markle. So no HRH for her on the BC.

There's no law that says an American can't use a title. The Constitutional issues re: working for the federal government obviously do not apply to the BC.

I can't know but I do not believe there was ever a plan to take a 3-week old newborn to the UK from CA.
hunter said…
I suspect I've cracked (part of) the code on this birth certificate question -

Didn't we hear the palace removed Meghan's name from Archie's birth certificate and replaced it with Duchess of Sussex?

If that is true, and only Harry's name remained properly written on Archie's birth certificate, perhaps this is "turn-about's fair play" for Lili - Meghan's full birth name but nothing to indicate Harry except his titles.

The ladies on LSA pointed out it is another way for MM to erase "Harry" by only referring to him by his titles because that's the only part of him that matters to her. Part of the devaluation process, etc.

That said, HRH would come before his name and if we are sticking to BIRTH NAMES (maiden names, etc) then "Duke of Sussex" is wholly inappropriate as he did not receive such title until long after his birth. Nonetheless the last name should remain Mountbatten-Windsor.

The entire thing is a mess but my theory on why is above.
Unknown said…
Thank you @LL
I'm glad the series interests you and I hope you enjoy watching it. H would have done well following his example. Grant Harrold had a public conflict with the BRF about branding himself as "The Royal Butler" but he is still so loving and protective of them. It's really quite sweet hearing his anecdotes.
Maneki Neko said…
@tatty

I should have been clearer. It may be possible to get an expedited passport the same day at a passport center but I'm not sure about the advisability of taking a three week old baby on a 10+ hour flight in a pandemic, bearing in mind there is a 10 day quarantine period (or five days under 'test to release' if you pay for a Covid-19 test on day five etc.). The practicalities would indicate otherwise. Anyway, I think H might just be in the UK for a couple of days, same as for Philip's funeral.
Miggy said…
Catherine will not be at the statue unveiling.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9726737/Kate-Middleton-not-unveiling-Diana-statue.html

And H threw his toys out of the pram once again!

Plans by Kensington Palace to invite a wide representation of UK media were scuppered after Harry and his team 'kicked off', according to one source.

Insiders suggest the prince – who has long railed against the British Press – insisted he would take part only if there was one agency reporter, one photographer and one cameraman present. He also insisted on an 'international' cameraman.

Much to the surprise of some insiders, the palace capitulated.

The event could still be an opportunity for a rapprochement, but it may be that the sparse nature of the gathering will only ramp up the tensions, particularly in Kate's absence.
SwampWoman said…
Miggy said...Catherine will not be at the statue unveiling.

Haven't seen her out much lately; hope it is just because of the Delta variant and that she hasn't been ill.

/Sick of w and w2?
Karla said…
@SirStinx
@Lizzie I couldn't agree more
Catherine launched the Royal Foundation Centre for Early Childhood on Friday, June 18, detailing the passion project in a video shared on Twitter and IG.
Robert Lacey is at his nonsense again....what planet is this man on? 🙄😫🥺Where does he come up with this nonsense, taken from the DM

The House of Windsor simply cannot afford to go on ostracising the only mixed-race members of the clan.
William has no choice, for example, but to swallow his pride and smile beside Meghan on next year's Platinum Jubilee balcony.


There isn’t a hope in Hell surely that Maggot will ever be welcome in Blighty, let alone with her poor in-laws on BP’s balcony! 😫

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9726785/Prince-William-called-Meghan-Markle-bloody-woman-treated-staff-badly.html

'The way that bloody woman treated my staff was merciless': Prince William slammed Meghan Markle when he was told everyone has difficult sister-in-laws, while Prince Harry's friends say she 'can be a 500% nightmare', Royal expert ROBERT LACEY reveals...
lizzie said…
@SwampWoman wrote about Kate:

"Haven't seen her out much lately; hope it is just because of the Delta variant and that she hasn't been ill. /Sick of w and w2?"

Kate visited the Natural History Museum Tues 21. And she officially launched the childhood center on Friday 18 with an appearance at the London School of Economics and then with a reception at KP. The week before was the G7.

I think Kate has been as active as she's ever been. We usually don't see her at multiple events in a week unless she's on a tour. But I suspect you are right she's sick of the Sussexes. I also suspect she could be relieved to skip the unveiling of the statue if that means not having to be ",peacemaker Kate."
SirStinxAlot said…
@Miggy, basically he wants footage for his documentary series and celebrity ventures. Wonder if Apple or Netflix is the lucky network. They could always sell clips or still photos for later use. Bills need to be paid, hes just trying to survive, I doubt hes thriving.
snarkyatherbest said…
SirStinxAlot - so William should get in front of it and have photos videos released that day. And have daily mail there for sure ;-) decrease the value of the Harry tapes, unless his has him muttering under his breath "mummy loved me more you cow" or something like that.
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,
I can relate. The Belfast lads threatening to teach my narc ex was horrifying and not tempting at all! I have kids! But, he could be such a pr*** I had to leave. I decided it was divorce or murder; I did not want my kids to be without their mom and left with him. He was that bad...I divorced him.

And I am not a violent person at all yet he was so abusive, I thought of it...I confess. They *can* drive you to think about it.

@Charade,

You're welcome :) I honed in as soon as you shared it because strangely (!) I've always thought being a butler would be amazing. I fell in love with Downton Abbey because of the butler role lol. Being an OCD Virgo cusp probably has something to do with it. :D

I agree if a butler to the RF can be loyal and respectful why can't an actual grandson of the Queen have the same ethos? SMH at that one. Great point!
Humor Me said…
Just read Lacey's latest in the DM - how sad that he is so caught up in the fairy tale of the hadsome sons of Diana. He has a point about the titles due under George V - and should have also said that protection et al ends at age 18, similar to Eugenie and Beatrice. Harry is an embarressment to the institution of the Monarchy, and that is the central issue. Not the battle of the brothers: Harry has lost that war when he "left" the Firm for America and status on his own terms.
xxxxx said…
My opinion is that the Grey Men and The Palace have made a fool of H. He's flying in from LA. Under quarantine for 5 days. With Covid as an excuse, the unveiling will have very small limited attendance Smaller than what UK's Covid restrictions call for. Media allowed to cover this will be only one, who will act as the pool reporter.

While The Palace has already come out and said, "So, so sorry about how (virtually) no one could be invited", "We have plans for a much larger Diana commemoration in September, when we see much looser rules for Covid and outdoors gatherings"

Meaning Hapless is flying and quarantining for a very small result for Megs and himm as far as generating good vibes and good publicity. While the September do will be the big positive publicity generator for Wills/his family and the BRF. I suppose H might come for this one too, but hopefully he is getting bored and frustrated flying to the UK. Where all he gets is the cold shoulder, where the BRF people will not engage and talk with him.

No one will talk to him partly because he might be recording audio, because H has already leaked conversations with the BRF. H only has himself to blame.
lizzie said…
@XXXXX wrote:

"While the September do will be the big positive publicity generator for Wills/his family and the BRF. I suppose H might come for this one too, but hopefully he is getting bored and frustrated flying to the UK...."

Maybe. On the other hand, an event in September gives the opportunity for H&M to attend with their children.

Not that it matters, but I'm pretty tired of the entire Diana statue topic. And I suspect some members of the UK public may be too. So no matter what happens in Sept, I'm not sure that having another statue event will be such good PR for anyone involved.

There's already an element of "Diana's dead, let her RIP" among some people. And others were never Diana-worshippers. And yet others have dealt with COVID restrictions under personal circumstances for funerals and weddings and may not think events should have do-overs. An event will cost money for security that's paid by the taxpayer.... About the only people pretty much guaranteed to think another event is good idea are those who had to be uninvited to this event.
jessica said…
I have interesting news for you all. I’ve been keeping an eye on The Bench book sales:

It’s completely dropped off in its second week off digital copy lists (Amazon; Apple etc). It debuted at #1 on all. It’s now somewhere lower than 100.

Basically, they pumped the book online.

NYtimes it’s gone from #1 in Picture Books to #4. Interestingly that’s very rare in that category. The other books listed stay for weeks and weeks without much movement.

She can’t afford to keep buying up her book LOL
jessica said…
Read Lacey’s DM today too. He has a deluded perspective based on his own personal biases. Poor article. Deserves to be ignored.
hunter said…
From Lipstick Alley commenter Samara1989:

"I just remember something about that Dumbarton title. remember last year when harry did that speech in Scotland right after they announced they were stepping down as senior royals, the presenter asked him what they call him and he said his famous line "JUST CALL ME HARRY". Well now I know they didn't like the Dumbarton title and it makes sense that he didn't want to be called as the Earl of Dumbarton which is what he is supposed to be when he is in Scotland. what an asshole he is."

Ooo they are smart over there.
ShadeeRrrowz said…
@SirStinxAlot

“Another interesting tid bit for you to chew on...
ADOPTION ATTORNEYS CAN REQUEST THE CHILDS ACTUAL BIRTHDATE TO BE ALTERED....Which means H$M could have specifically chosen Archie and Lilis birthdates to correspond with significant historical dates. Yup, Im suddenly team surrogate. I previously thought M was actually pregnant and just wearing padding to look bigger but now...”


So let me state for the record I don’t know if this birth certificate is real or not. My younger son was born here, but that was before all the woke changes. I am listed as his mother, and his dad as his father.


Surrogacy and adoption are treated differently in California. No adoption is required for a surrogacy as the intended parents are named in a pre-birth order and are on the original birth certificate. Next to the doctor’s signature it states “I certify that the child was born alive at the date, hour, and place stated above.”


https://californiasurrogacycenter.com/blog/2018/12/06/what-is-a-pre-birth-order-and-why-is-it-so-important/


Also, I’m not sure about other states but in California a birth date can only be changed when there is an error, not for any old reason.



Karla said…
@Hunter... Very well remembered.👏 I remember that a BBC story even covered that. "In his address, Prince Harry - who is known as the Earl of Dumbarton when he is in Scotland... "
jessica said…
So Harry wanted one reporter present like he had with the showing of the Darren doll and Meghan a couple years back? They are the creepiest couple. Why have the statue unveiling AT ALL? Is he in supreme denial he is apart of the BRF? He’s acting like a lunatic.

The unveiling should be done by a couple of Botswanan kids and a group of underprivileged inner London children. Enough of the Harry dramatics. Also, he just shouldn’t be there at all at this point. He has a newborn he should be helping megalomaniac with.
hunter said…
@Karla - yes! I would never have thought of it but indeed, what a douchebag.

It now appears to be the theme that we are all widely expecting the damn statue to be sitting on a bench, especially if it was commissioned and finished in 2018-2019.

She's the worst.
Maneki Neko said…
@lizzie

You've captured the essence of the Diana statue topic perfectly. A lot of people here in the UK are getting fed up with it and others didn't care about Diana. There is also a general feeling of she died a long time ago now, we've had her last few hours and the accident recounted in the mail and as you mentioned, let her RIP.
Added to that, the will M come/ won't she and all the Dumbartons shenanigans haven't exactly raised interest.
Does all this bench business go back to the photos of Diana at the Taj Mahal and the vibes that conveyed?
Magatha Mistie said…

@WildBoar

Diana sitting on the bench alongside
Mother Markle of Calchunder
@Lavender Lady:
After one frustrating, and very expensive, day spent waiting at Court and not `getting on’, thanks to another case running over its allotted time, Narc2 was smirking so much my solicitor commented,

`I bet you feel like killing him!’

I admitted it’d crossed my mind but, as I’d be the immediate suspect and couldn’t think of the perfect murder, there wasn’t much point in pursuing the idea.

`Pity,’ she replied. `We’d have pleaded provocation and you’d have got 2 years max. It’d be much the quickest way out of this marriage.’

She was right about the timing but at least my conscience is clear and I haven’t got a criminal record.
Magatha Mistie said…

Saturday Singalong 🎤

Apologies to REO Speedwagon
Keep on Loving You

Trail of the Loathsome Whine

We all saw by the look in your eyes, Megsy,
There was somethin’ missin’
We all heard in the tone of your voice, Megsy,
That you’d never listen

And we meant
Every time we said
When we said that we loathed you,
We meant that we’d loathe you, whatever

We’re gonna keep on loathing you
‘Cause it’s the only thing that helps us thru
We will just repeat,
We will just keep on loathing you…



BTW, Thought for the day:

`I’ll never let anyone take my life away from me again’ – Chrissie (Nicole Kidman) in `Before I Go to Sleep’.

A valuable mantra? This psychological thriller, for all that the medical premises are different, gives a little idea, I think, of how it feels to have a narc steal ones sense of reality.
Magatha Mistie said…

@lizzie@Maneki

I agree, enough is enough.
The ‘September Issue’ will only
add more fodder to the media
canons, and madam.
SirStinxAlot said…
@Miggy...
Insiders suggest the prince – who has long railed against the British Press – insisted he would take part only if there was one agency reporter, one photographer and one cameraman present. He also insisted on an 'international' cameraman.

Can't one cameraman do all three? You can freeze video for pictures. Why does the reporter need to be there? Ask 27 or fewer people what they think of a statue of a woman thats been dead 20 years? Or stir up new drama? I wish the BRF and media would just let her RIP. It is incredibly annoying seeing pictures from the 80s and 90s of her 'iconic' fashion, ex butlers opinions, and various old iteneraries.

H must owe a lot of favors these days.
Ava C said…
Reports that the Queen was driving in the direction of Frogmore about the time Harry was arriving in the UK. I expect at her advanced age reconciliation trumps everything else. Somehow Prince Philip's reported comment ""I'll soon be out of it and not before time" is more bracingly realistic.
Magatha Mistie said…

@Ava C

She’s between a riven rock
and a hard place.
I still expect the Crown trumps
everything else.

JHanoi said…
looking at the UK brith certificates, i dont find the use of HRH all that strange except that it’s in CA USA instead of UK. i looked at archie , george and i think charlottes, and they all had hrh, formal names, not just kate middleton or kate windsor, and hrh prince william etc.

but what i do find very strange, is the BC didn’t state HRH, Harry Windosr, or Harry middle name, and then go on with Duke of Sussex. The ‘first name’ ‘Harry ‘ part was missing entirely.
Blogger Karla said...
@Hunter... Very well remembered.�� I remember that a BBC story even covered that. "In his address, Prince Harry - who is known as the Earl of Dumbarton when he is in Scotland... "

Prince Charles's handles: Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.

Prince William's are Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn and Baron Carrickfergus.

Duke, Earl and Baron are titles in descending order of precedence -yet barons were the first to be so dubbed in Norman times - the oldest in England is Clinton, in Ireland it was Athenry (that's another story).

It all depends where the Royals happen to be - in the Channel Islands, HM may be toasted/informally referred to as Notre Duc - ie Duke of Normandy as Guernsey, Jersey, Alderney & Sark decided to stay with the Crown and are the remains of Wm I's Norman dukedom - and it doesn't matter that the Monarch is female - she's still Le Duc de Normandie, to do with getting around Salic Law I believe. I expect this irritates their nearest neighbours.

BTW - I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence/ understanding of UK matters but The Queen is not an HRH - she is `Her Majesty' - HM.

I'm sure the vast majority of Nutties are aware that our that's why naval ships have the suffix HMS (eg HMS Victory, yes, despite being over 200 years old, she's still commissioned as a naval ship); there's HM Treasury; HMRC, Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (our `IRO'); and HM Forces.

If all else fails, think of James Bond `On Her Majesty's Secret Service' - official letters envelopes used to be endorsed OHMS on the envelope - On Her Majesty's Service- hence the gag.
@Magatha - I've just had a vision of newspaper offices staffed by a characters in full ecclesiasticals! Thank you!

Here's a fun site on the subject:
https://www.catholicjediacademy.com/2011/02/canons-heavy-artillery-of-church.html
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
@WBBM,

Thank you for the reminder that HM is NOT HRH (hasn't been since she was Princess Elizabeth). That has been a peeve of mine since forever. Another one is calling HM "The Queen of England." I hear/see that everywhere. She is also the Queen of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland!!! The United Kingdom!

//temper tantrum off
Magatha Mistie said…

You’re welcome 😉
Lt: Quite right! I like the wording in or passports `Her Britanic Majesty'.

It won't be long until the Wannabe Monarch, aka `That Bloody Woman' (mild compared with what I call her') start talking about `My husband and I'...
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Blogger Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
Lt: Quite right! I like the wording in or passports `Her Britanic Majesty'. (Me too!)

It won't be long until the Wannabe Monarch, aka `That Bloody Woman' (mild compared with what I call her') start talking about `My husband and I'... (IIRC, she already has referred to H as that ...?)
___________

Hahaha, if Lacey has done nothing else (which he hasn't), That Bloody Woman should become a permanent moniker 😈
@J Hanoi -

re HRH -

It's no more a name than Mrs, Mrs, Master, Miss, Ms, Mizz, Sir, Dame, Madam, Reverend, Doctor, Professor, Captain, Colonel, Private, The Honourable and so on, are. That's why it's peculiar.

Such terms are called `styles'- the word is used on forms with `eg Mr/Mrs/Miss etc' labelling a field to be completed.

A rather camp colleague of mine said he was often tempted to write `Rococo'

On second thoughts, I know that some do name their children `Lord' or suchlike but it fools nobody.
A rather grand friend calls her `That Frightful Woman'!

My voice is perceived by some as being `posh', to the extent that when I was doing supply work at a rather ghastly school, the kids mimicked me. As I `crawsed' the playground on one occasion, I heard them behind me going,

`Mai Husband and I'.

I thought it was hilarious. In fact, anybody now saying that for real is setting themselves up for mockery.
Ava C said…
I don't usually care for the Daily Express but I like this article. Excerpts below:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1447228/prince-harry-meghan-markle-us-popularity-poll-uk-latest-news-america-video-VN

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'beyond redemption' in UK - Pair warned about support in US


Former US Anglo-American advisor and senior fellow of the Bow Group think tank Lee Cohen told Express.co.uk the tide was turning on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle in the US despite initial positivity and welcomeness. Mr Cohen explained while the royal couple may be "beyond redemption" in the UK, there are many "sensible" Americans who are beginning to think that way also. He stressed Prince Harry and Meghan Markle had the best teachers and guidance in the Royal Family they could possibly have and could not fully understand why they would not follow what was expected of them.

Speaking to Express.co.uk, Mr Cohen was asked what could Prince Harry and Meghan do to improve their popularity.

And in a warning, he said: “Well, I'm not sure, I would suspect in Britain in many quarters they are beyond redemption.

“And many among the more sensible American audiences feel that way too.

“They've abandoned the country that welcomed them warmly and burnt all of the bridges of goodwill that were extended to them."

[...] “She was really this sort of fresh prospect and many felt she could modernise the monarchy in a positive way.

“Sadly, all these things went in a different direction because either she didn't understand the role or she was unwilling to accept some of the conditions of the role.

“You know, these are public figures and it's not as though there isn't an expected way to behave.

“She should have completely been on board with that.

“And for heaven's sake, most people would be absolutely thrilled to become a royal.

“Most people would do whatever it takes to enjoy the many privileges that come with that life."
Ava C said…
Reminds me of when I was sitting in an expensive hairdressers in Cambridge several years ago. A very intimidating, impossibly perfect looking lady was next to me. My hairdresser told me later that she moved in the best circles in Norfolk, near Amner, and knew things. Everyone was chattering about the royal family and she suddenly exclaimed "As long as you don't talk about that bloody woman!"
Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar said

`My husband and I'...
----
No, no, no, 'that bloody woman' - a bit of an understatement - has to come before her husband, so it's probably 'Haz and me...' (subject - ungrammatical, I know).
Ava C said…
TV this evening for those who can access it:

Kate: Our Queen in Waiting
9pm, Channel 5


"The latest instalment of Channel 5’s royal documentaries focuses on the Duchess of Cambridge. We trace her 10-year journey from marrying Prince William in 2011 to her assimilation into the royal household and her role as a mother to their three children George, Charlotte and Louis. The royal commentators forensically analyse the pervading themes of Kate’s decade in the royal family, from her canny recycling of outfits, to her understanding of publicity, and her support of key workers during the pandemic."
LavenderLady said…
@WBBM,
Great story! Love the Nicole Kidman quote. It's perfect. I do enjoy reading folk's stories. I like to believe one recollection shared can somehow help another get through a tough time.

@Magatha,
REO is a fave band. You do the song justice! :D Keep on keeping on with the humor. We all need the laughs these days. Thanks for what you share!
LavenderLady said…
Ha! That Bloody Woman is the best one yet.

Thanks, Prince William :D :D :D
OK then, when will That Bloody Woman start using the Royal `We' or referring to herself as `One'?

(I was taught at school to use to use `one' instead of `You' - as in not saying ` When you go to Southend...' in case the reply is an indignant ` I never go to Southend!'

(Apologies to anyone here who lives in Westcliff, Leigh on Sea, or even Southend itself!)
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Anyone besides me tired of the whole "reconciliation" push by the press viz. the "battling brothers"?

If I were a cynical person (which I tend to be), I'd think it was coordinated by someone, somewhere. Not just wishful thinking. But IMO, it ain't gonna happen.

Anyway, here's Camilla Tominey's latest, roping Catherine in as peacemaker again --

https://archive.ph/rAKW0 (no paywall) (via LSA)
Enbrethiliel said…
Re: "The way that bloody woman treated my staff was merciless"

Imagine reading this and feeling more sorry for the woman who was name-called than for the staff she was cruel to.

(I'm just trying to put myself into a sugar's head.)
Ava C said…
@Lt. Nyota Uhura - Anyone besides me tired of the whole "reconciliation" push by the press viz. the "battling brothers"?

Yes. ME. If William softens his position he would not be the hope for our monarchy we think he is. A king should be like a surgeon. Ruthless when he needs to be. Pain now to save greater, longer pain later. Perpetual hesitancy and indecision is damaging and exhausting. For everyone.

Prince Charles exhausts me. I think he could well turn out like Sir Anthony Eden. Waited decades to be PM then, when Churchill finally gave way, he was a disaster. The Queen is the same, much as I respect her. Either too slow or ostriching completely like her mother. I think William shows grit. We need grit.

I hope William resists those who prefer what they think is the easier, less scary path. He knows if he gives the Sussexes an inch they'll take a yard. Like that comment about Meghan when she was an actress. If you give her California she'll want Arizona too.
Lt. Nyota Uhura said…
Blogger Ava C said...
@Lt. Nyota Uhura - Anyone besides me tired of the whole "reconciliation" push by the press viz. the "battling brothers"?

Yes. ME. If William softens his position he would not be the hope for our monarchy we think he is. A king should be like a surgeon. Ruthless when he needs to be. Pain now to save greater, longer pain later. Perpetual hesitancy and indecision is damaging and exhausting. For everyone.

@ Ava C, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I have the strong feeling that once William makes up his mind, it is made up, end of story. He may make nicey-nicey (bare minimum) in public, but H will NEVER be welcome in the Palace again. Hope I'm right, anyway.

Prince Charles exhausts me. I think he could well turn out like Sir Anthony Eden. Waited decades to be PM then, when Churchill finally gave way, he was a disaster. The Queen is the same, much as I respect her. Either too slow or ostriching completely like her mother. I think William shows grit. We need grit. Prince Charles is going to regret his Eden-like dithering, if not now, then surely when/if he becomes King. Of course, he's got a fine line to walk. His and the Queen's first instinct is to walk softly -- but they mustn't forget the second half of President Theodore Roosevelt's expression, "but carry a big stick."

I hope William resists those who prefer what they think is the easier, less scary path. He knows if he gives the Sussexes an inch they'll take a yard. Like that comment about Meghan when she was an actress. If you give her California she'll want Arizona too. Ha! I hadn't heard that expression -- how apt and how true!
@Lt Nyota:

I agree - there's something uncomfortable about trying to make Catherine responsible for acting as `peacemaker' - I think it delusional to imagine that any long-term `peace' can be achieved unless H is professionally deprogrammed first, if such a thing is possible. It takes 2 people of good will to mend fences and, as I see it, the other party is utterly bereft of common decency, and goodwill has long ceased to exist. Catherine was being civil, something unknown to the Sussexes.

It's asking for more hurt further down the line as any `peace' is possible only if it meets That Bloody Woman's objectives. Even then, it's unlikely. People will be lulled into a false sense of security only to be kicked in the teeth yet again - and harder.

She'll be hammering on the Abbey door for every Coronation from now on - better get used to it and stop spouting rubbish in the papers.

No Contact is the answer for ordinary people suffering from those like TBW but it's difficult to see how that could play out successfully in front of the World.

Catherine will at least be protected from direct exposure to H and his agenda implanted by TBW if she is elsewhere in Thursday.

As for Lacey, well, I'm almost an exact contemporary of his so I feel free to say what I think without fear of being considered ageist. He seems so inconsistent, reported to say one thing, then apparently saying the exact opposite - is his short-term memory still working? Has dementia struck? I just wish he'd pipe down.

Please God, let all this be over soon.
@ Ava C

I recall the full quotation had the rider `...and if you don't give her that (ie both CA &AZ), she'll complain and say you're being mean to her.' or wtte.

Do we know how she reacted to bad reviews when she she was acting? Or were her roles so minor nobody gave tuppence for he?

The RF must not give an inch to the BW from California.
Maneki Neko said…
OT

@Wild Boar

Sorry, I wrote it correctly! I meant that bl@@dy woman would say 'Me and Haz', putting herself first - the habit of saying it correctly was stronger. I can't stand 'me and my friend/husband/X' etc.
Ava C said…
New Lady C:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMlk9gp1WNndfOjs0_1gG3g
JHanoi said…
I dont think PW should waste his time on 'reconciliation' all he needs to do is be cordial in public and nod/acknowledge JH in public like at the Harkles last event or the funeral. He should not have longer conversations with JH or comment on anything because it will be announced and will be misconstrued later to the world by the Harkle PR machine.

Until JH publicly apologizes for his atrocious treatment and behaviour towards his UK family he's not worthy if PW time or effort.

One TBW divorces JH, there may be a way back to the BRF after a very long redemption period of lying low and out of sight and doing good deeds..... but until then, JH isnt worth any effort.


Miggy said…
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Humor Me said…
@Lt.NU - I co sign the above post!
Just who wants a reconcilation? The journalists who are writing for it.
I am a bystander across the Pond and IMHO, I do not see Charles or William asking Harry for a reconcilation, or vice versa.
Charles (and William) - their path is set as Harry so maliciously described. Charles may desire family harmony between his sons and the acceptance of his second wife as his Queen Consort. BUT - IF this is a major focus of his reign, he will fail. William appears to get it - the accusations that his brother has publicly lobbed at his immendiate family are meant to inflict damage to the role of the King and Head of the Commonwealth. William must take a stand, so to speak and this poster is glad to see the investigations about the bullying claims, the diversity czar, and his one line statement out in the public realm. William - to me - is playing the most watched hand of poker in his life: put up or shut up to his brother.
Karla said…
16th century - Queen Catherine of Aragon - Queen Elizabeth I and Queen Bloody Mary.

21st century - Queen Elizabeth II - Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge and Bloody Meghan ( Duchess of Sussex).
Ava C said…
Reading a Lacey excerpt in the DM highlights what I wrote earlier. He writes that William and H have a father whose priorities are set elsewhere.

'The main thing Charles wants is for the pair of them to smile on Camilla becoming his full Queen Consort [instead of Princess Consort, as officially pre-ordained at present],' says one friend.

'He's fixated about it — something he never stops trying to negotiate with both of them. But they will never say 'Yes' to Camilla taking the place that should have been filled by their mother.'


Whose going to be the next king? Charles or are his sons going to share it between them? Is he going to be a king who looks to everyone else to make decisions and give permission? Kings like that used to come to a bad end in our country. Yes the Queen listens and consults widely, but she decides for herself. What she wants happens. It's just that it takes her a long time unless the monarchy is directly threatened.

By all accounts Charles' attention was mainly on Camilla as his sons grew up after their mother's death. That lies behind much that is wrong with H now. I think there was time to rectify Diana's mistakes to some extent (not all). Now Charles' focus on Camilla could be weakening him at this crucial time. It's really not good enough.

I also note Lacey says the brothers did not have a proper talk after PP's funeral, yet Camilla Tominey said they did. I'm so tired of all these conflicting royal 'experts'. I wish they'd go away and come back when they have something of real substance to say. I only trust writers like Hugo Vickers, Sarah Bradford and Philip Zeigler, but they are proper biographers.
Even if the boys accept Camilla as Queen, rather than Princess Consort, I can't see the country taking it lying down. There are many who don't even like the idea of her being called Princess Consort.

We don't have morganatic marriages here - a wife takes her status from her husband - she isn't 2nd class compared with him. To allow that would be a dangerous precedent.

No idea how to solve it unless C relinquishes the throne... which the pro-Diana folk would welcome.

When C & C married, I pointed out to some that were being bitter about it, that Ch. could possibly predecease HM.

Might C immediately `retire' when he accedes & W becomes Prince Regent.

The Duchess of Cornwall seems to be well-liked down here.
Humor Me said…
@WBBM - I tends to accept the prognosications that Charles wants Camilla as his Queen and not his Princess, as they have been steadily dripped out since the couple went public years ago.
Charles will be King, and King until he dies, or becomes infirm. I have heard in the news of the possibility of an abdication discussed and he (Charles) swatted those rumors down years ago when William became of age and more popular. Like Edward VII, his reign will be brief, and he will need to establish himself separate from his mother's reign. But, Charles III/ George VII or whatever name he choices will rule until he dies.
I hope Charles is astute and pays heed to his subjects, and accepts (like apparently Camilla has) a Princess Consort.
Ava C said…
I've always read that the reality is Camilla will be Queen. That's how it works. It was fudged years ago when they got married, in the expectation that people would feel differently by the time Charles became King. I think a lot of people do feel differently now. Many families have become 'blended' families and had to make major readjustments that were really difficult to accept.

There are also loads of people to whom Diana is just a dim memory or they have no memories at all. I admit I still have reservations about Camilla, having observed the War of the Waleses with interest, but I also got very impatient with it (as I am now with the Sussexes). I'm a Jane Austen rather than a Charlotte Brontë. I like calm, capable, sensible women who just get on with things. Camilla does that.

I think she's worked hard and uncomplainingly and I grudgingly appreciate her. Charles will be a better king with her by his side. Properly. She already has the grandest of jewels. Highgrove. Charles' unfailing attention. We all got used to that. To me, Camilla being Queen is a difficult but inevitable next step. They've been married for 16 years. Enough time has passed.
Maneki Neko said…
Re Camilla being Queen, Princess consort might be more acceptable but what I have never understood is the amount of vitriol against her. It takes two to tango and Charles wasn't exactly snow white in all this. He, not Camilla, was the one married to Diana. It seems it's always the woman who gets the flak in this situation. And let's not forget that Andrew Parker-Bowles was an inveterate skirt chaser.

I think Camilla has conducted herself with dignity and grace since her wedding and has worked quietly for her patronages and charities (over 100), notably domestic abuse and osteoporosis. If only her step-daughter-in-law had behaved similarly!

Enbrethiliel said…
Since the brothers smiled at their father's second wedding (or at least they smiled for the official photos*), I don't think Camilla's status after Prince Charles becomes king is a very big deal to them. She has also proven to be a hardworking senior royal, a great supporter of the Queen, and a discreet, respectable figure in her own right -- in short, the very opposite of That Bloody Woman. I don't see Prince William putting up a fight here.

On the other hand, I do see Harry taking all his cues from his wife in this area. I'm a little surprised that we haven't had any unflattering stories about Camilla emerging from the Harkle camp. At first we all supposed it was because they didn't want to anger the Bank of Dad. But that now we know that they were cut off much earlier than we supposed, there's definitely another reason. Camilla would also be an easier and more obvious target for a Diana-obsessed narcissist. I wonder what's up in that area.

* When I think that they might have faked those smiles, I remember what a hard time Prince William had making a straight face for Archie's Christening photo, plus all the times Harry has publicly sulked.
Ava C said…
@Maneki Neko - I agree the woman always seems to get the worst of it. From Eve onwards.
Humor Me said…
@Ava C - you present very good points as to Camilla as Charles' queen.
I am an old fuddy-duddy. Camilla was not popular at one time, and people have long memories. IMHO - Charles is the villain of this piece, not Camilla. She stated at the time of the marriage that she was happy with the title of "PC".
As far as I am concerned - I hope Charles takes seriously into account his sons' opinion this once. That was to be their mother on the throne, but Fate intervened.
IMHO - i would not put anything in the way of Charles being booed on his cornation day, and I fear making Camilla "queen" could (operative word) cause a dredging up of old ills.
Ava C said…
In a funny way, maybe the public are so fed up with M being a tedious, delusional diva that they'll positively welcome Camilla as Queen. The same way the court of public opinion has swung strongly behind Catherine.

I think it's no coincidence that most now try to call her Catherine instead of Kate Middleton. It's taken a decade but I don't think it would have happened even now, if not for M. We appreciate Catherine's steadiness and that she follows though - an important contrast with the Sussexes - and by using her proper name we are showing we respect her and support her.
abbyh said…
Camilla as Queen and being married for 16 years now - that's longer than he was married to Diana (1981, separated 1992, divorced 1996).
Ava C said…
@Humor Me - I respect your view. Certainly many will agree with you.
Enbrethiliel said…
There's a sense in which Harry's wife is the best thing to happen to the British Royal Family in decades. Her behavior really highlights the steadiness and dedication to duty among the other senior royals. The two future Queens in particular come across as extra dignified and hardworking.
snarkyatherbest said…
So why wasnt Philip King Consort? maybe Charles does similar with Camila Yeah I have been warming to Camila over the years. She has been playing a long game and frankly i think now (maybe earlier it did) that she doesnt have a burning need to be queen consort anymore. I think she is not all that into being on display and the center of attention.

Maneki Neko is right - her step-daughter in law should have been taking notes and lessons
Elsbeth1847 said…

I was looking at the photo of Prince Charles, Diana and the kids on bikes and thinking about how things went bad when she really wanted to hurt him.

And then I thought about 6 and how he had that rant of not having a father who took him bicycling (which actually there photos of that happening) and how he would not be like his father.

So ... how hard is it to take your kid bicycle riding in Montecito? especially if you have trashed your father for not doing this? Why haven't we seen those photos or video like the kid and dogs on the beach?
Humor Me said…
@snarky - from CBS news:
A woman who marries the king can be called a queen, but for men who marry the monarch, there are different rules. They can't use the king title because it is only given to males who inherit the throne, according to BBC News.
His title was Duke of Edinburgh until February 22, 1957 when the palace released a statement: "The Queen has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of the Realm bearing date 22nd February, 1957, to give and grant unto His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh, K.G., K.T., G.B.E., the style and titular dignity of a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Whitehall."
The Independent has a good article on this - until the paywall went up after i skimmed it. :(


hunter said…
Ahhh Magatha, another smash hit.

“We meant that we’d loathe you, whatever” background singers: “forever….”

Hey WBBM – on the titles you mentioned The Queen being HM rather than an HRH (interesting point!) does this mean when the crown shifts to Charles all the HMs become “his majesty” rather than “her”?

Not to keep mentioning LSA (okay I do) but I’ve been lurking over there and someone rightfully pointed out exactly what I remember.

They said Eugenie and her hubby were going to live in Frogmore, then that they’d pay rent to the Sussexes, then that they had moved OUT of Frogmore… then nothing…

Then suddenly Harry is staying WITH THEM AT FROGMORE in their guest quarters? But wait – didn’t they move out? Are they actually there at all?

But now Harry only has a rental lease on Frogmore?

Does anyone else have the key to this little mystery?
snarkyatherbest said…
Humor Me - thanks! so charles could do a letter of patent for camila as princess of the uk etc? the queen seems fairly spry still could be a moot point for a while. does bring and interesting point which comes first:

queen passes away
mrs has baby numbers 10 to account for not being at another royal event
6 and the mrs divorce
the ex mrs remarries for the 5th time

snarkyatherbest said…
hunter - at this point i am guessing frogmore is code for something else. no one reports every seeing H and the mrs there. no one ever saw eugenie or hubby or moving vans ever. im guessing no one is there no one has been there. what is it code for? supposedly the harkles repaid $ to the crown, maybe it was a settlement for the illegal foundation activities or the double dipping on the dresses. or the queen made them pay money to just megxit and get out of her face if its the latter she is better at art of the deal than anyone ever ;-)
SirStinxAlot said…
@hunter...I saw it mentioned in an article recently H still holds the lease to Frogcott til 2022. If he is subletting to Jack and Eugenie, he would still be responsible for paying his rent to the crown estate. I didn't realize at the time, that his lease was not a lifelong lease like I had originally assumed.
DesignDoctor said…
New River

Her Majesty Pays a Visit to Frogmore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorCSKfmWUE
@Elsbeth1847

I thought the same. Especially the pap shots of 6 riding his bike in Montecito. Really? You can't hook one of those cart things for children to ride in and take Archie with you? Or have a child seat on the back of the bike like the rest of us?

"Do as I say not as I do" should be the official royal motto for these two.
lizzie said…
@SirStinx wrote

"I saw it mentioned in an article recently H still holds the lease to Frogcott til 2022. If he is subletting to Jack and Eugenie, he would still be responsible for paying his rent to the crown estate. I didn't realize at the time, that his lease was not a lifelong lease like I had originally assumed."


I question whether the Frogmore lease was always only until 2022. Sure seems odd to spend all that Crown $ on a reno to go back to a single family home if it was perhaps going to be occupied for only 3 years (especially since the reno plans didn't match what had supposedly already been approved by the "approval council" for the property.)
Anonymous said…
Well, this is discouraging.

Queen extends an olive branch to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle as she invites them to her Platinum Jubilee - but will they get on the balcony?

The Queen has invited Harry and Meghan to her Platinum Jubilee celebrations, but questions remain whether the couple will appear on the Palace balcony beside the Queen and other senior Royals for the traditional RAF flypast (pictured left in 2018). The Mail on Sunday understands that Harry and Meghan plan to attend Trooping the Colour, the Queen's official birthday parade, which will form part of the jubilee festivities over four days next June. Previous jubilee celebrations have involved two balcony appearances, but it is understood that Royal aides may seek to limit numbers taking part to working Royals only - which would mean excluding Harry and Meghan.
SirStinxAlot said…
@lizzie

I question whether the Frogmore lease was always only until 2022. Sure seems odd to spend all that Crown $ on a reno to go back to a single family home if it was perhaps going to be occupied for only 3 years (especially since the reno plans didn't match what had supposedly already been approved by the "approval council" for the property.)

I distinctly remember the original plan was for a garden at Frogcott, but H$M put in an unapproved tennis court. There were articles about having to go back to the approval council to have it retroactively approved otherwise it had to be removed. Does anyone remember an update on that?
lizzie said…
@SirStinx,

I do remember changes were made as the reno was supposedly underway. But don't recall details.

But what I was talking about was that there were reports that before it was offered to H&M in autumn 2018, there had already been plans submitted to bring back the building to code and to preserve it for staff use or at least the plans weren't to return to a single family dwelling. Then suddenly new plans were drawn up and approved but the idea all that work could be done in less than 6 months (by March/April) seemed unrealistic. And no one really saw work done.
@'Hunter'

`HM' is used for all monarchs of the UK- Kings are His Majesty, Queens and Queen Consorts are `Her Majesty. (That means official stationery doesn't have to reprinted nor battleship names repainted when there's a new monarch!)

If referring to a king and queen together, it's Their Majesties, as in 'Their Majesties King William III & Queen Mary II' (really, Mary had more right to the Crown than Wm did but they were deemed joint monarchs) or in `Their Majesties the King George and Queen Elizabeth visited the East End of London both in 1938 and during the War'.

See: https://www.britishpathe.com/video/their-majesties-in-londons-east-end.

Presumably it'll stay that way until we have a monarch who insists on being non-binary and I suppose it'll then be `Their(pl) Majesty(sing.)'

Still, both the German and French languages have done that for years for 2nd person sing. unless being familiar. -(My miserable pen-friend and her family never once tutoyer'ed me whereas my pals who went to other families were treated like extra daughters from the start.)

Whether a new monarch adopts a regnal name is I believe a matter of having a `regal' sounding name (since Victoria, 2 Alberts (Berties) and 1 David took new names).

The story goes that Elizabeth was asked what name she would use. `My own, of course', was her reply (or wtte). Fortunately, there was a sound precedent for this; just as well she hadn't been christened Gertrude.)
Anything could happen before the Jubilee bash. Most likely is that That Bloody Woman books another baby for that weekend.

It seems the D of Windsor was invited to the coronation but declined to come, having been advised by Churchill to stay away - I can't see TBW taking anyone's advice though.
Martha said…
@enbrethiliel...unable to copy/paste, sorry...but am mystified as to your comment above: Harry’s wife being the best thing to happen to the royal family...were you referring to the montecito monster in actuality?
According to a new series about KP - behind closed doors, Eugenie and Jack are some of the royals that live there. No mention of Frogmore. Yet the DM states they’re at Frogmore. 🥴 More PR stories from Maggot and Mole? 😳😉
There's a slew of H$M stories in the MoS tomorrow what do you make of this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9728829/TALK-TOWN-Prince-Harry-reunite-pals-cut-wedding-Meghan-Markle.html

Prince Harry to reunite with pals he 'cut off' after wedding to Meghan Markle
By CHARLOTTE GRIFFITHS FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 22:01, 26 June 2021 | UPDATED: 22:01, 26 June 2021

Friends of Prince Harry believe that while back in Britain he's planning to reconnect with old pals from the life he left behind.

I can reveal that the Duke of Sussex arranged a surprise 'lads' lunch' when he was last in the country – for Prince Philip's funeral in April – leading his friends to expect more socialising now he has returned to unveil the statue to Princess Diana.

Though lunch with your old mates may be normal for most people, many of Harry's closest friends have felt sidelined since his 2018 wedding and his drastic move to California.
But his secret get-together with members of his former inner circle has revived hopes that he hasn't been lost to his ultra-woke new life after all.

'After the wedding Harry cut everyone from the UK off,' says my source. 'But now he's at last showing signs of wanting to reconnect with his old life.

'His friends are really excited, they think that the old Harry is coming back out of his shell.

'It sounds like he's starting to realise that he doesn't have to abandon his old life to enjoy a new one in California with Meghan.

'The two worlds he now occupies are not mutually exclusive for his friends, though they may well be for his family.'

For while Harry might be keen to reconnect with his friends, the rift with his brother seems deeper than ever.

My source says that William was conspicuous by his absence from the April lunch, which was arranged specifically to include some of the male guests and ushers from Harry's wedding party.

The Duke of Cambridge was best man at the Windsor ceremony.

Others in Harry's circle who were key players at the ceremony include so-called 'deputy best man' Jack Mann, Charlie van Straubenzee, LA pal Arthur Landon, and Harry's 'surrogate godfather' Mark Dyer, who owns a chain of West London pubs.

With coronavirus restrictions in full force they could not have their get-together in Dyer's Fulham boozer Brook House, which might have been a favoured option.

My source adds: 'It's sad that William was not included in Harry's plans for a lads' lunch during the last visit. The only Royals who seemed to see a lot of him were Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank.

'But then, Harry had a strange 'deputy' best man arrangement at his wedding, so as far back as then he can't have been privately counting William as his best friend any more.'

Last week The Mail on Sunday reported that Prince William and Harry had their biggest disagreement to date on the night before the 2018 wedding.

Some sources suspected they might even have had a physical bust-up as they emerged from their encounter with their shirts ruffled and out of place.

Let's hope this visit goes off without a hitch... even if what happens on tour, stays on
tour.


I'm heading to bed - I'll leave the other articles for someone else to deal with. They're clasified under `Showbiz'...

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