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Clean Conscience and All That


H doesn't think he aired any dirty laundry in Spare or Netflix (or we suppose any of the other sources of what they were thinking or feeling like with the Oprah interview or Omid Scobie's books) according to an article on the Daily Mail.  And, he has a clean conscience.  Difficult but hard truth he was promoting.


Really?  

He talked of setting up his father driving in a car by a guy in a plane who didn't know it was the Prince of Wales he was ordered by H to follow before being redirected elsewhere.  He talks of how his brother tried to make him acknowledge that * was being disruptive to the staff - physical fighting and his bracelet was broken.  The list goes on and on. No one but he and his wife come out looking good.  They are innocent victims of a modern persecution by his family against them.  


 In another article was more about what and where there had been some problems between the two couples.  So it doesn't say this ... but ... I started thinking about what might have been the message each was signaling maybe.

Tights for the wedding:

It doesn't matter (my wedding, my decision) versus in our family we stick to protocol as set by the Queen, I'm trying to follow the rules.

Other factors floated: Ivy, Jessica's daughter was favored over Charlotte.  And, Charlotte's dress was ill fitting.  

Who cried or who cried first:

Initially it was said to be Katherine but in the Oprah interview, it was the other way around.  

Other factors: Katherine brought flowers to apologize and owned that it was she who behaved badly in the interview.

What do I think?  Well ... the second version is in alignment with the BRF treated me badly which was the overall arching message from the interview.  That it did not come out earlier is kind of suspect in some ways as why not (I don't remember what was said in Finding Freedom but I thought I remember it was Katherine)?  Do I think Katherine may have come over and brought flowers?  Yeah, she comes off as someone who tries to do the right things, the right words and (remember this) walk the higher ground after a disagreement.  The whole comment of Katherine owned source of the disagreement comes off as a back handed compliment.  Jabs like that are not a pretty look in the popularity polls.  Being able to reach out despite frustration, anger and so on shows great strength, courage, not weakness.


The visit to William and Katherine's Kensington Apartment:

Contrast between how they had to use credit cards (hers) to buy a sofa while William got priceless art and luxurious furnishings.  The meeting went from polite talk to Katherine taking offence about the tights and mention of hormones. William was said, in Spare, to tell * that what she said was rude and allegedly pointed his finger at her.  William was told not to point his finger at her by her and things kind of ended about then.

What do I think: Well, there was an underlying theme in Spare about how William always got what H wanted and always more of it.  Why he could not ask for another sausage or help furnishing the cottage is unknown.  No one ever reads minds and the worst that could be said is to be told no.  At the time, the palace was doing a lot of trying to keep the newly weds happy so I don't know that it makes sense that someone, somewhere put a kabosh on a request by the couple for furniture from the storerooms if it had been asked for.  After all, William and Katherine had lived there first and they probably didn't have to furnish it from Ikea.  Hmm, I wonder if  the furnishings which were there for William and Katherine were switched out later or like did they take some to Kensington?  H would have visited a fair number of times while they lived there so one thinks he might have remembered what was there, now gone and what replaced it.  

What do I think: Notice how she responds to criticism.  Push back at it.  Vigorously.  This is him, telling us his wife does not tolerate anyone telling her something she doesn't want to hear.  In print.  This isn't some friend of a friend of a friend whose 4th cousin once worked at the palace 20 years ago and heard something.  And, who is telling her is the third most senior power figure at the time within the family.  There is this is family behind doors but there is also a need to respect, listen to people who are older, more powerful, than you even if they are family.  So not saying the first thing that comes to mind, especially when navigating a new power system is (or even an old one) ... good advise.  


William trying to tell H about problems his wife is creating with staff:

Well that doesn't go well.  H claims his brother had an agenda which was about making H agree that his wife really was creating problems.  They come to blows and a necklace is broken.  

What do I think:  I have no idea if the conversation came to physical blows or not, or how it was said by William.  What I noticed is that H is also not tolerating criticism of his wife (more on that).  And perhaps by extension, him as well (that I suspect is part of the expectation was that H ought to be doing a better job of helping his wife learn how to navigate a new and complex system that she had no prior experience for in America).  It is unknown if William had heard that * felt she did not need people like Sophie helping her as she knew she would have H as her resource.


Trip to the Queen:

Charles tries to tell H that * is not to come to Balmoral.  The response back was that this was nonsensical and disrespectful towards his wife.  Then, when it comes out that Katherine is also not going, it becomes more along the lines of he should have told me that first instead of disrespecting my wife by not allowing her to join me.  

What do I think: Another example of people, senior power person, trying to tell H something he doesn't want to hear about his wife.  When he doesn't understand something, he dismisses it.  Should not be/unimportant.  There was something about the US political system he also was quite dismissive of.  Again, his words, not from a game of Telephone.

What do I think: Notice that he is still trying to view himself as equal to his brother and his wife equal to his brother's wife by both the UK/world view and within the family of him/them even though he/she are no longer part of the working BRF.  If William gets something, I ought to have it too.  I would gather that it has been a long held world view which he didn't realize that he would never be fully equal with William and how it would play out through the years just because of primogeniture.  Life is unfair - someone is always higher rank than you or they have more money, more power or live in a bigger house.  That's reality.  Some things can be changed such as you make more money and now you surpass this other person.  But some things cannot be changed like birth order in a family which has it as a hard and fast underpinning rule of how it operates. 


I remember reading in Spare about how his father tried to explain to him about how the funding would change when Charles became King.  Charles knew that it would happen sooner or later and was trying to let his son know that the Bank of Charles was going to become the Bank of William and therefore H would lose access to how his father juggled the money - say for the wedding and so on to start the couple's life together.  It was a conversation about their future plans, short and long term, now before the Queen passed.  Again, blowing off the advise as it was bad news.  His father trying to tell him something he didn't want to hear and then being blamed in some way.  In print.


And how could we forget about the uproar before the first baby?  


In the end what do I think?  

maybe he just has a different idea of what the definition of airing dirty laundry is?  Mine is when people do not want something which is embarrassing to themselves or others like family and close friends made public.  He really doesn't make himself look good in his efforts to make everyone else look bad.  Still fits my definition.  Haven't figured out his yet.

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Sassie said…
You wrote “ Notice that he is still trying to view himself as equal to his brother and his wife equal to his brother's wife by both the UK/world view and within the family of him/them even though he/she are no longer part of the working BRF”.

That is so true! Once I read that, it helped me realize why Prince Loafer’s words and actions exasperate me and the entire world - he keeps demanding to be treated and given the huge benefits as a working senior royal by the entire world, although we all heard him proclaim he doesn’t like his country of birth, considers his family of origin as racists, and was therefore heading out on his Freedom Flight to the New World to forge his own path and make his own fortune in partnership with The Claw…this while haughtily demanding apologies for an unspecified catalog of unknown things.

Diana made a huge mistake in treating her two little sons as exact equals - any intelligent child would understand that the equality meant equal love, not the sharing of the kingship with royal crown and scepter and wealth in the billions.

The dolt will never grow up emotionally or gain mental intelligence; it’s just not possible. Until the day he dies he will be complaining that his older, bigger, heavier brother got served one additional sausage, and he will demand to be treated equally in every way.

The Duke of Monteshitshow calls anything he doesn’t like, or remember saying a lie. Is it mental illness? Mental incapacity? Fried by legal and illegal drugs? Or just knowing he lies but since he has always gotten away with everything in his past, figures we will give him grace even though we know he is a liar.

He doesn’t get that he will never be fitted snugly and perfectly like a puzzle piece back into the Royal Family - the edges of the piece have been ripped off, and flung away. He will never again fit where he once fit and it is 100% due to his own decisions and words.
Girl with a Hat said…
Harry doesn't realize that the world has moved on without him.
He was no longer a working royal when his grandmother passed away, and everyone moved up a step. He still thinks that he and William are equals or that they should be treated as equals.
George (and Charlotte and Louis) have supplanted him as the spare to the heir.
He needs to move on.

As for not recognizing the effect of his words, that's very typical of narcissists and their gaslighting. It's not stupidity or drugs, it's just how narcissists try to get out of tough spots.
abbyh said…
He also said something very interesting - that one must have (not know or learn) truth before reconciliation. It is pitched as a swipe to his brother.

Truth? As I think about what is truth (in this situation), another part of my brain is jabbing me to remind me of how many untruths were listed in the papers after the Oprah interview.

His truth? What about his brother's truth? Or, Camilla's? Or even Jason Knauf's?

Who has the true truth when there is conflict about what really happened? who really said what and how they said it? or what their motive was for it? Would we know the true truth if it hit us on the side of the head?


To me, `dirty washing' implies that the revelation is about something reprehensible, immoral or shady, akin to a `skeleton in the cupboard'. Private health matters are just that, private, and advertising them publicly verges on indecency. For H to do this to his brother shows just how juvenile he is, reminding me of how some of my school classmates sniggered about the girls who had started their periods.
My reaction to learning about the PoW's member was `So what?' I believe that in the late 1930s and into the 1940s, circumcision was fairly common in the middle and upper classes in the UK, not for religious reasons but as a `hygiene procedure' ie available to those willing & able to pay for medical extras before the NHS.
King Charles must be very pleased that Harry has told the world that he has only one year to live.

I believe that this Guardian article is Harry's revenge. The king did not give him what he demanded.
`How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child' - yes, Shakespeare said it first.
I believe our king is a good man, maligned by his first wife. So many people took her comments at face value and it was pointless for him to defend himself. It would have been greeted with that other quotation, from the late Mandy Rice-Davies, `Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?'
It's heartbreaking to see what the King is being put through now.
Girl with a Hat said…
I don't recall hearing that Charles had one year to live. In fact, I don't recall hearing anything recent about Charles' health. Are you sure that that's what Harry said?
Also Harry seems to believe that the great silent population of The British world are his fans and ready to welcome him back with open arms, just like the baroness believes?

That is serious mental ilness not any sound thinking. He is one sceary creature.


abbyh said…
Well, if it is true that he said the King had a year - then it is a real stirring of the pot - if it is true or not true.

It is rather forcing the Palace to make some kind of response about it as a never complain, never explain would lead to worry about not being told the truth. Even if they do say it isn't true, doesn't mean that people will just accept it as true. So it puts the Palace in a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.

But let's look at it from more than just the father and son level.

If it is true, there is less and less time to work on making overtures of reconciliation with William. Do we really think, at this point in time, William is close to being receptive? After all, the kids would be nephew and niece but not "my grandkids" so less emotional sway from that angle to push from as William's kids may well have never met the cousins so no emotional bond.

Or with the public. The Sussex Squad is still active and trying to control the narrative but a large population shifted away from the couple and show no signs of wanting to shift back.

The other thought is that if it is true, then it puts a lot of public pressure on William to pick up the pace even faster of learning the job of King. And Katherine of learning to be Queen. It is one thing to be learning something in private compared to all eyes on you while learning it in public.
Humor Me said…
Words of wisdom from his wife: "stick to the truth".
Oh dear.
Harry, who knows his father is stuck between being a father and being King, is pushing a narrative that is his own outwardly. Harry wants the optics, not the reconcilation.
Alianor & GWAH
I recall reading a year/18 months ago that HM had been given 2 years. This `report ' also stated what the diagnosis was but it was impossible to tell how un/reliable the source was.
Girl with a Hat said…
she must have meant "Stick to our truth"
Girl with a Hat said…
do you care to share that info with us?
Sassie said…
“If Harry's conscience is clear then he must not even have one at all.”

That is an accurate conclusion, I believe, read on Royal News Network.
Girl with a Hat,
"Over the coming year he says 'the focus really has to be on my dad'".

Year is singularis and no two or three or four years. Maybe lapsus linguae but the truth (that word!) from a moron's mouth.



Girl with a Hat said…
Yikes, now I actually feel sorry for Charles.
I can't remember where I saw it but would rather not be specific about the diagnosis, out of respect for His Majesty. Sorry.
I should have said `alleged diagnosis'.
I can't remember where I read someone's conclusion that H is another narcissist, it's not just her. I'd add that he certainly displays another characteristic of a narcissist. It's not just the hypocritical psychological projection of his faults onto others but his highly selective memory.
It's remarkable to me how narcissists appear to have memories that completely erase all trace of what nasty things they've said and done. It's not as if they appear to lie but they seem genuinely haven't the slightest recollection of their actions or utterances.
Nevertheless, they remember every slight they have ever experienced and are quick to point out perceived shortcomings in their victims that decent folk would ignore.
Somewhere in there brains there must be a button marked `permanently delete' for their doings and another marked `save' for accusations they can use years down the line. It beats me how they do it.
Some of the comments on a recent Taz are blaming HM for `not stopping' H's faux royal tour.
How, pray, do they expect him to do that? Arrest him? Jump on him before he hops on a plane? What law has he broken, in comparison with his suspected treason of `interfering in the the Succession'.
The King can't shout `Will no one rid me of this turbulent son'. Those days are long over.
Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar

That's a very good point about 'how narcissists appear to have memories that completely erase all trace of what nasty things they've said and done'. The problem is that their memories then become 'their truth' if they're genuinely convinced that x, y, z happened when in fact it was a, b, c. If this is the case, then this is dangerous.
Girl with a Hat said…
Not only do they have selective memories, but they are incapable of feeling guilt or empathy, so whatever bad things they do, they won't feel sorry about.
No wonder Hairy's "conscience is clear".
It's not unusual to have 2 narcs in a relationship with each other. One person is just the bigger narc and abuses the other
Girl with a Hat said…
The Duchess of Kent's funeral is tomorrow.
Some further thoughts about the Clarence House meeting:
Regardless of how long the King may have, I imagine that he would want to make his peace with the world, and not have his last thoughts ones of regret about the chaos generated by the Harkles.
To this end, could this meeting have been perhaps an attempt to discover, once and for all, whether H was paying more than lip-service to penitence and whether he was capable of changing his stance? If so, there might have been an opportunity for some sort of reconciliation and good behaviour on H’s part. If so, the King could feel that he’d made his dignified peace with his son.
Judging from the reports though, thus was not possible, H was as recalcitrant as ever. The overheard remarks from HM indicate that this was not the case and indeed H was as pig-headed as ever. This, I imagine, could leave the King with having to find his own peace, that is, accept that he has done his best but thar could never be good enough for H. As father and monarch he would now have to find his own peace and come to accept the situation with a genuinely clear conscience.
My guess is that the King has been advised by both trusted lawyers and spiritual counsellors. (There are wiser churchmen than Welby!)

I wrote this before I saw this scorcher of a comment at https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1ni3aml/about_the_trip_to_ukraine_neil_sean_gossip/
. * is not the only snake here
OKay said…
@GWAH He implied a lot, about how "this year" the focus needs to be on his father. He didn't actually say anything because, IMO, he is still very much out and does not know anything.
Girl with a Hat said…
Also Harry's meeting with Pa was CUT SHORT by aides who felt it was not a "productive" line of conversation. The meeting only lasted 28 min!
https://x.com/BarkJack_/status/1967948534243827954

Also the first part of this thread is confusing, and I don't really understand what she is trying to say:

SIS gathers intelligence overseas to support government's security, defence, foreign & economic policies. Usually birth certificates suffice. #2 must DNA test. When H brings kids, it's not just to visit Pa.
A previous investigation seeking DNA hair (comb), cup, proved futile!
Girl with a Hat said…
It was Hairy's birthday yesterday and not social media posting by the BRF to that effect.
I also wonder if he chose this time of the year to visit his father, hoping for a birthday present of sorts.
Girl with a Hat said…
sorry, that should be "no social media posting by the BRF to that effect"
Harry's life would be so much easier if he could accept and admit that he is a horrible stupid middle aged man, without any charm or looks or personality. He could start afresh with any little thing he finds after thinking through the two ideas he one time had and then try to build a quiet life for himself and his children never giving any interviews and never imagining he has any chance to compete with William.

He would have chance to HAPPINESS and peace.

Girl with a Hat said…
check out Grimm's Daughter's comment at this CDAN thread;

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/09/blind-item-4_16.html#disqus_thread

very interesting stuff.
@GWAH
FWIW, here’s my take on the report about looking for `Lilibet’s ‘ DNA:
SIS stands for Secret Intelligence Service, commonly known as MI6, see https://www.sis.gov.uk/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MI6

The DNA status of both kids, and the legal implications, is a right can of worms, after all they may not be related to H at all. Birth certificates are usually taken at face value as evidence of parentage but not in A & L's cases. They are not trustworthy, as I've been banging on about for years.

The kids not even exist at all, if all we have been shown are Reborn dolls and other people’s children.

In Lilibet’s case, she is legitimate under US law regardless. If that is not recognised here, she could be adopted and be in the same legal position as Archie.
If they are looking for her DNA to which H has contributed, and they find it, they’ll be able to tell if Megsie is her mother or not. If Harry is not her father, they won’t find anything conclusive and any evidence will be circumstantial. For it to be admissible in court, the DNA would have to have been taken directly from her, probably with a reliable witness.

If Archie exists and has been adopted as I suspect, in English law he is H’s son with full legal rights except in matters of inheritance (in the case, read `the place in the Succession’). Presumably, Archie’s DNA status was established when they were still in the UK, even if her attempts to stop others touching him were intended to prevent DNA being harvested.
Perhaps the King sees them as potential family members as Harry’s children, along the lines of Wolfie, even if they don’t qualify for places in the Succession. That is, assuming they do exist.
Those 2 are so cruel…

Hope you've been able to follow this.
Girl with a Hat said…
Yes, thank you. So there does seem to have been an attempt to retrieve some DNA for the line of succession.
The problem however, is that * may be the biological mother of the children, if they exist, but not the birth mother. There is no way to ascertain that except from witness testimonies or medical records of the hospital at which the births occurred.

By the way, one of *`s biggest fans, Stassi Schroeder who has a podcast has said something about Lillibet not existing but being played by someone else`s child:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b37592faa19f92a3d5352563edf25e8da958ab85cc94904e69f98c82017c9a8a.jpg

I`m looking through her podcasts to find exactly where she talks about it.
Girl with a Hat said…
ok, I listened to Stassi Schroeder`s podcast.
She has long been accused of lending her child to Meghan to pretend that it`s one of the Invisikids. She is now annoyed with Meghan because she wasn`t sent a PR kit from the Harkles about something.

https://x.com/MeghansMole/status/1967640219152454041
Girl with a Hat said…
Sorry about all the comments but it`s very slow at work, and I have nothing to do except to surf the web, and then, of course, I want to share what I`ve read!

So, if you didn`t notice, Camilla didn`t attend the funeral mass for the Duchess of Kent yesterday. She claimed to have a case of acute sinusitis. Some people are speculating that the real reason was that the Duchess of Kent was a good friend of Diana`s and never approved of Camilla. I find this hard to believe as the Duchess was known to be a very kind and generous person. Also, she seems to have recuperated rather quickly since she is front and centre for Donald Trump`s visit

Other people claim that Camilla was recuperating from some esthetic or cosmetic procedure. I haven`t looked very carefully, but I don`t really see any difference in her appearance.
Girl with a Hat said…
Blind Item #1

It looks like the illness that kept the royal from the funeral of the person she hated got all better in time for the party.

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/09/blind-item-1_17.html#disqus_thread
Maneki Neko said…
I've only just read yesterday's posts. Interesting stuff re DNA but in the UK it must be obtained legally by securing consent from the person being tested (if an adult) or their parent/guardian (for a child) under the Human Tissue Act 2004. A bit tricky, I think. A few strands of hair from a hairbrush won't do.
We do not know, we can't know what is happening between Charles and William and neither do the papers know, they are just guessing wildly to get clicks and money.

But I wonder if Charles is bitter of the fact that he has so short time on the throne after a lifetime of waiting and that William is a man in his best years with his future in front of him with a very happy marriage and fulfilling family life to help him? It would be very human to resent that.

And I have always felt that Charles wanted to be king more than anything in his life, William on the other hand not so much. He seems to have more pragmatic attitude towards it. And he is not a narcissist which helps enormously.

It seems clear that Charles has decided not to solve the dual question of Harry and Andrew and is going to force all those problems on William's head and I can't help feeling that his attitude is Après Moi, Le Déluge and that is horribly and unfairly narcissistic of him.

But what do I know.



Andrew is one sick individual. He was cracking jokes and laughing and enjoying his own humor. It was the FUNERAL of a member of the family! Bloody pervert.

Girl with a Hat said…
I don't think the secret services will bother with securing consent. Just a guess.
@maneki neko and GWAH
I'm sure you're both right but, in Lidl's case, it'd be be a start, especially as there already been an alleged borrowed child.
Maneki Neko said…
@Girl with a Hat

The security services might well not bother with securing consent, that's true, but if so, the DNA results wouldn't be acceptable in a court of law. This might, however, be a way of exerting pressure on * for instance, to stop her demanding millions in case of divorce if the children are not 100% theirs.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrLCNHWrvq0

Neil Sean serves up a lot of tidbits including the reason that Camilla Tominey, from The Telegraph, has just written a column about why the Sussexes are the solution to the problems of the BRF, why Hairy and Chelsey broke up, etc.
Girl with a Hat said…
I was surprised watching this as Neil Sean really has taken off the gloves when talking about them. It's amazing.
Girl with a Hat said…
Ok, she's officially crazy. This is from x (twitter)


Royally Sage
@sage1411
I hate to interrupt my blackout but I had to share.

According to Lady C, Rachel is telling people that she will one day be Queen of England and a head of state. That it was predicted to her and the stars are all aligned on it. 😂 😂 😂

Back to blackout.

https://x.com/sage1411/status/1968736250564612473
So Harry thought that it would have been a brilliant idea for him to take part in the state dinner with Donald Trump?

He truly is a gift that keeps on giving.

I can't understand why Charles said no.

(Neil Sean)
Girl with a Hat said…
https://x.com/MeghansMole/status/1968835733948342384

Meghan's Mole on twitter claims that * owes money to vendors for her wine and jam and dried flowers.
Girl with a Hat said…
Can you imagine? Someone needs to do a comedy skit about that - imagine the diplomatic crisis he would trigger.
I've seen several posts on line that * is mentally ill - certainly she behaves as if she is. Here's the sting in the tail though-
I doubt if, under English law, she would be diagnosed as such. Back in 1989, when I was trying to work out what was going wrong with my marriage to someone I know now was a raving narcissist, I discovered that some mental conditions are disorders, not illnesses. It's `just' the way that some difficult people are, it's something to do with the way the brain is `wired'.
This cannot be cured, therefore it follows, in law, that they are not `ill'.

BTW, back then, even using the library at a respected university, I could only get information on sadistic psychopaths. It was almost 30 years before I was confronted with another `really difficult person' and turned to the internet, asking `What the heck's going on here?' and all was revealed. How times have changed. It's chilling to think how the Harkle saga might have gone but for this `citizen journalism'.
Girl with a Hat said…
I hate to disagree, but I think it's far more than narcissism.
I've been around a lot of these people, but I have yet to meet one who believes that they're going to be the Queen of England or a head of state. Even those that I know that are executives in multinational corporations.
Maybe they just won't admit to these beliefs, but I think her case is more than just a really bad case of narcissistic personality disorder.
abbyh said…
Diana used one or more psychics who told her all kinds of things - most of which we don't know.

It might be in keeping with the idea of I am Diana 2.0 to work with someone who is telling her that she could be Queen yet (despite the increases in the LOS and the monarch choice does not stem from a democratic vote).

She came from a part of the US, segment of society where it is pitches the idea that it is possible for a nobody to become an A list star (in reality many put in years and may not ever reach A list status), known world wide also as a philanthropist, grace the right red carpets AND get well paid for it. Celebrity, influencer, people give you stuff in hopes you will make them look good/make them money.

Nothing prepared her for the 1000 year definition of work of monarchy, serve instead of being served, dress up is work (and hard work) and the requirement to follow rules even if you disagree with them (you do not have the power just to change what you don't like). It is anti-celebrity.

@GWAH
I was just trying to explain the legal system here - it depends what they do with their disorders.
My ex was deluded as well as being a narc - he claimed to be a historian but believed that had nothing had changed in matrimonial law for over 200 years, since the days husbands literally owned their wives and all their possessions. Utterly divorced from reality. He tried what we now call `coercive control' on me but I realised in time that he was trying to make me doubt my grasp on reality. This behaviour is now a criminal offence and can land the offender in gaol.
I was just trying to make the case that personality disorders aren't necessarily seen as `illnesses'. I've no doubt that she has a Messiah complex, or whatever the female equivalent might be. This delusion has led her, I believe, into criminal behaviour for which the law, not the medical profession, may have the remedy.

IIRC, we established a considerable time ago that her behaviour was the result of the Dark Triad of narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy (with a hefty dose of sadism - which some authors consider on a par with the other 3 aspects, making the Dark Tetrad ).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

Finally, I'd add that `illness' is seen as a departure from one's usual state of wellbeing; in these cases, there is no such departure because they've always been like it.
Pure wishful thinking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9Q6VPgKII
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Girl with a Hat said…
King and Harry to meet regularly as royal aides plan show of unity - with first public appearance together in six years on the cards

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15118105/King-Harry-meet-regularly-royal-aides-plan-unity-public-appearance-six-years-cards.html?ico=comment-anchor#comments

Do you believe this story?

OKay said…
Nope. Not one word. I will acknowledge that there MAY have been a plan for that, had Harry not run off to the very press he claims to despise the moment the meeting was over.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/21/03/102317173-15118735-image-m-63_1758423406720.jpg

In all these years, I've never seen her with a curl in her hair. Now, she has a little flip in it. Is she trying to copy Catherine's hair?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/21/03/102317171-15118735-image-a-61_1758423369907.jpg

Of all the dresses she could have chosen, this one is least suited for her figure.
It seems that the sussex pair are in total panic for this is the third or fourth article that repeats the same story.

The king is going to accept Harry and his family back to the fold (of course WITHOUT Harry's "I'm sorry, dad" ).

I don't believe it, because the situation is not as simple as that. And I think this is just the pair's hysterical reaction to the adoration that the Waleses received during the Trump visit!
But heavens how ugly and sloppy the baroness looks! Is that her cleaning jacket? And her hair looks dirty.

No wonder she hates Catherine....

Girl with a Hat said…
Their admission that they used a surrogate, if they did and if they wanted to admit to it, will be seen negatively now that the UN has deemed surrogacy a form of modern slavery. I just read the decision by the UN committee in my local newspaper but I don`t know when it actually occurred.

https://www.hli.org/2025/09/surrogacy-as-modern-slavery/
@GWAH
My first thoughts was that she is indeed copying Catherine.
The second was that we saw more than enough of her armpits before she was married (in fact I was relieve that they weren't on display in St George's) - followed by recollecting that halters do no favours to those with broad shoulders.
Maneki Neko said…
Ill-fitting dress as usual. As for their 'surprise appearance', is that a euphemism for gate-crashing the event?

In other news, 'Edward Enninful, the former editor of British Vogue, has bluntly dismissed the possibility that one time friend Meghan Markle will appear in the pages of his new magazine.
. . . 'Meghan and I had a great moment with the issue we did, but I feel like I have done it and I wouldn't necessarily repeat myself,' Edward told The Times.

The remark took on even greater force given that, in the same interview, Edward sang the praises of Meghan's father-in-law, King Charles, 76, and Queen Camilla, 78.'

That's a great put down.
Maneki Neko said…
'The Metropolitan Police voluntarily provided personal security to Prince Harry for his visit to London earlier this month, sources have told The Mail on Sunday.

Although the Duke lost a bitter legal battle against the Home Office in May over whether he was still entitled to taxpayer-funded police protection after stepping down as a working royal, it is understood that senior Met officers 'acted on their own initiative' to offer him protection while he was in the capital for the WellChild Awards.
. . . Sources say officers contacted Harry's representatives ahead of his arrival for the high-profile ceremony on September 8 to offer him protection for that day.
It is understood that the Met's decision was made without the involvement of either the Home Office or the Royal Family and was instead based on the highly-publicised nature of the event and the fact that many children would be present.
But the Duke, 41, who made the trip from his home in Montecito, California, where he lives with his wife Meghan and children Archie, six, and Lilibet, four, was only given protection for the day of the event – and was said to have felt 'abandoned' after having to fund his own security for the remainder of his visit.'
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That wasn't very clever on the part of the Met. Is this now going to create a precedent? Will Harry expect the same next time? The poor lamb 'felt abandoned', having to 'fund his own security for the remainder of his visit.'. Oh, my heart bleeds. He was miffed, more like, at having to pay. Not even grateful.

abbyh said…
I agree that they are really pushing the narrative that they will continue to meet on a regular basis, things are wonderful and that he and the kids will start making regular visits or move back.

Doubt it all just like you. Not certain that the Trump visit is the driving factor.

They do this kind of throw everything including the kitchen sink to stake the claim that they are great, life is good and they are at the top of their game. Often it comes after something has not gone to plan it seems like.

The benefit is that with the never explain, complain there is no counter story from the palace of: ARE you nuts for asking me this? The most we get is snips from Neil, Lady C or the royal reporters like Valentine or (my mind goes blank but there are others) who come out with some counter intel.
Girl with a Hat said…
He felt "abandoned" but promptly went to Kiev which get bombarded nightly by Russian missiles.
Maneki Neko said…
King ‘makes it clear Harry cannot be a half-in, half-out Royal’ (DT)

'The King has made it “absolutely clear” that the Duke of Sussex cannot be a “half-in, half-out” member of the Royal family, The Telegraph understands.

The monarch, who met his younger son for 54 minutes at Clarence House earlier this month, will continue to uphold the late Queen’s wish that members of the Royal family do not undertake official duties while also earning money.

It is understood that the father and son may meet privately on an occasional basis, now that the Duke has appeared to draw a line under his high-profile public criticisms of the monarchy and now that his Home Office security hearing is over.

But he will not be permitted to join the Royal family in any official public role.'
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And this is very public. Ouch! I hope the message went home.
Well a source of Buckingham Palace has answered to the sussex nonsense: No Half In, Half Out!!

But it would be intressant to know how much this Daily mail-Griffiths know-it-all is the baroness or Harry's words and imaginations.

Girl with a Hat said…
it wasn't really 54 minutes, was it?
"Larking around for the cameras" that is Harry, 41 years old and he expects that people will open their hearts and say Yes we will have You represent us again, You are So Wonderful and Adorable!

Drugs do destroy a person's brain totally, that's sure!

Maneki Neko said…
@Girl with a Hat

Most media outlets mentioned 54 minutes or 'around 50 minutes', including the BBC, the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Independent etc (54 minutes)
Girl with a Hat said…
That navy dress she wore was a Carolina Herrera and she claims it has been sold out after she wore it, but some people have disproved that claim.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cd91e85ff54ed70e819f6938f2f628aaaade3f30518e158d63881cc9c55822e.jpg

If you remember, the inverted nipple red dress was also a Caroline Herrera.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8950df1ceaa3eafc689f73271713a225c792ec55cf2a64a07db7b6935ee894d4.jpg

her natural face
The baroness was forced out of the stage while Harry spoke in the Kevin Costner do!

Presumably it was 54 minutes between the moment H disappeared into CH and when he reappeared at the door. I doubt if the king was lurking behind the door, waiting for H to ring the bell.
Over on SMM, there's speculation as to whether our late Queen's ruling on HIHO could be disregarded by the King. I recently went on a tour of the Royal Albert Hall as a tourist and when we were in the Royal Box the guide said that Queen Victoria's wishes about how how the family should behave there were still observed - no singing or dancing for example, IIRC . Such niceties of protocol immediately become tradition, like all standing for the Hallelujah Chorus. I can't see the King allowing any change about HIHO.
@GWAH
Yuk, that filthy wig. I almost expect something nasty to come crawling or jumping out of it.
Maneki Neko said…
Did * think she looked like the model on the photo you showed? The model might have the same skin tone but is tall and has a slim waist and the dress looks good on her. On *, it's ill-fitting, creased and not flattering at all. As ever.
OKay said…
@GWAH I believe it was 54 minutes from the time he entered to the time he exited. He may have spent 30-40 minutes actually in the King's presence.
Humor Me said…
The clinging vine is shown at an event with H on the DM. I do not do paywalls. She really looks desparate in one photo on the main page.
Girl with a Hat said…
Netflix boss says Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's documentary was 'successful on every measure' - as he heaps praise on the Sussexes following 'first-look' deal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15123421/Netflix-boss-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harrys-documentary-successful-measure-heaps-praise-Sussexes-following-look-deal.html
Maneki Neko said…
Warning - Nutties of a sensitive disposition might be affected by this video: an insect was seen crawling from under her biscuits. Not to be watched on a full stomach.

The article is under a pay wall but you can watch the video.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15003037/meghan-cookies-insect-asever-brand.html
Girl with a Hat said…
https://x.com/MurkyMegPodcast/status/1970018230728298931

Harry gets the Spitting Image treatment.
Maneki Neko said…
* has been offered her own radio show with Magic Radio, as reported by several media outlets. Magic Radio is 'one of the things she missed most about the UK'. I didn't think there were several things she missed about the UK. Anyway, you can listen to this radio station in the US through online streaming services, so if she can listen to it, is she really missing it? As for Magic Radio, do they not realise that having * DJing for them will be a turn off for listeners?
Have you seen this splendid piece on SMM under

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1npkupl/i_used_to_check_this_sub_at_least_3_x_a_day_and/

`Cocktailsontheporch

9h ago
OP....yes, they have become boring, repetative, exhausting. Yes, not every day/week...even month....finds the media coverage filled with their latest Grifts, lies, sickening fawning sub-intelligence supporters' laughable photos of dead weed spriinkled foods ...and occasional photo of the backs of Invisikid's assorted heads. BUT...this is MORE than that. This is a modern day real story of Good VS Evil. This is medieval history come to life...Good Prince VS Evil Prince..Royal Family traitors and heros..without the jousting and Tyburn Executions. It is a "WhoDunnit" real mystery novel played out before our eyes, "baby-in-the-warming pan" thriller...changlings in the royal Moses Basket! And most of all, it is the live actual downfalls of the House of Windsor and House of Sussex (with House of York occasionally joining in). The Sussex holding on to titles which slowly are slipping out of their greedy traitorous claws. YES....there ARE boring quiet days....more ahead for sure. But everyone on this Sub do not want daily excitement and entertainment.....we want JUSTICE. We want GOOD to win over Evil. We want to see the guilty brought to heel. We believe, we hope, and we wait. One day this WILL happen....worth the wait.'

Thank you, Cocktails on the Porch, for this splendid comment, so well said. That's just how I feel - apart from wishing the downfall of the House of Windsor.
Girl with a Hat said…
Watch this video. It shows how she joined him on stage and clung to him. It`s really embarrassing. She is shameless.
https://x.com/sage1411/status/1971074097728847900
Girl with a Hat said…
This kind of explains that there's a plot to bring back the duo, but doesn't really give any details

It's the version in the archive.is, which is behind DM's paywall.

There's a sinister Establishment 'plot' to undermine Prince William and Kate and bring back Harry and Meghan. I refuse to be part of it... and today I'm exposing what's going on: RICHARD EDEN

https://archive.is/2MR3g#selection-561.0-561.191

abbyh said…
I cannot imagine any one in the Palace structure realistically ever wanting them back and well integrated to the family. There is way too much known and not published to think, except possible for the Sussex team, to think they would be warmly welcomed back by staff, let alone the country.

However the Duo have been wailing for years about wanting to resume close family relations with periodic bouts of rants of how they know what they did wrong, they need to apologize to us, you need to fix my security problem and the having a clear conscious. This 1/1000th of an inch forward was movement advancing their cause however small it was. Hence the increased pr from all sides to push it even farther down the playing field. A why stop now, especially since we just made some progress forward.

He makes a really good point I had not thought of it in that way when he talks of how this risks undermining POW/PsOW by allowing them to return but not have to apologize for any of Team Sussex past behavior.

Even if they technically apologize (which, think about it - would they go so far as to state all the times there were misstatements in Oprah, the who made who cry first and so on) and any of it were public - I think that would be actually worse because it would make it look like they now had a clean slate, all forgiven.

Sussex would then get to flit in and out, do the showy see us as we support this or that and then go back to California to make the money based on how we are still part of the BRF. This would be:

Still half in/half out.

Staying the course of no explain, no complain has worked, you made your choice and to alter would be creating problems down the road which TQ noted were be problematic and she made it clear that they were not ever going to be an option.



Girl with a Hat said…
I can`t imagine that they will ever be in close proximity to anyone in the core group of the BRF.
Every single little thing she can find issue with, she will. Who wants to keep hearing about bridesmaids`dresses for decades (as an example), or who didn`t smile at her, or whatever little thing she can use? Who wants to live that way, except maybe Hairy? Life`s too short.
The Royal Family has the best doctors in the world to take care of them. That means that when they need advice of the top psychiatrists they get it. Charles has the relevant knowledge of how to react against a narcissist with very sadistic streaks in her as does Prince William and they are not going to give in. What happens to Harry is then another question, we'll have to wait and see.

Humor Me said…
thank you for the archive article (Richard Eden). You are correct - no info. This is why i refuse to pay the Wall........
It certainly appears that the vast majority of the UK media have been well and truly `hoovered' by the Markles. It's remarkable that this term for narcissists' habit of again `sucking up' support doesn't appear to have been used in the Press at all. There are lots of online posts definitioning what this is but this will do for a start:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/202209/7-facts-know-about-narcissistic-hoovering

Let's see if it appears now it's been mentioned here...
It is strange that the king accepts that his family business is discussed in the papers and he doesn't do anything to stop it. It is unworthy and ridiculous.

I imagine it's a case of `Less said. the better'. Were he to challenge it/attempt to squash it, the reaction could well be `Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?' or `That proves it's true'. It was like that with Diana - he couldn't win.
Of course, that's the test we apply to * - if she doesn't sue, we assume the story's true.
Maneki Neko said…
Charles knows that his family will be discussed in the press and if he tried to refute or suppress some articles, people would think it's because they're true. It would be a never ending game of whack a mole. I think the Palace knows that there are untruths but that the public is not completely gullible, at least where the Sussexes are concerned. In any case, Charles can't have control of the press.
Girl with a Hat said…
Tom Bower spills the tea: Meghan’s dad never sent her famous soap letter to P&G! 😆 Her endless retelling of that story just got funnier 🤣

https://x.com/BritishRoyaltea/status/1971292121006211445
Maneki Neko said…
I certainly misse this on CDAN but I haven't seen it on this blog or elsewhere:

'The tabloids can publish whatever they want, but the alliterate one and her kids will never go to see their paternal grandfather. She has made that very clear.'

I'm not sure what her game is. Charles is highly unlikely to travel to Montecito to see the Sussexes and she won't set foot in Britain - to our collective relief - but Harry wants to reconnect with his family, and IIRC he wants to bring the children over. Will shelter him travel to Britain with the sports? If true, this should be interesting 🍿.

Apologies if some Nutties have mentioned the CDAN item. That was a couple of weeks ago.
Didn't H once tell us that he was always filled with sickening dread (or wtte) when approaching English shores/airspace? Or has that disappeared along with his hatred of camera flashes and the noise of shutters clicking?
Strange how these profound fears have melted away, once he sees it as being in his interest to return...
URL for this quotation on CDAN: https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/09/blind-item-5_12.html?m=1
Girl with a Hat said…
How Prince Harry collapses 'like a souffle' as Meghan Markle interrupts him multiple times during an interview, body language expert reveals

https://archive.is/3ZlXd

the video is here, at the top of the page, and can be accessed without a subscription
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15125877/Prince-Harry-collapses-Meghan-interrupts-body-language-expert.html
Maneki Neko said…
Thanks for the CDAN URL, @Wild Boar
Maneki Neko said…
Is he still concerned about security for him/him and the sprogs?
abbyh said…
Some interesting articles lately post visit. One was that H could help with the work (pitched apparently as a new working model but not called half in/half out), was not necessarily expecting how formal the meeting would be, gave some gifts to his father and the rift between the brothers is still a rift and may be widening to include their father with POW - possible because there was a visit between father and son.

Then the push back from palace sources that he clearly will not be invited back to work for the BRF. That was a full stop.

But wait, there's more. NOW the stories that H found the meeting formal, gift giving (specifically a framed picture of *) did not happen are signs of attempts to keep him from reconciliation as they are false.

My my my.

One of the comments was to linked the stories of the rift were planted and have failed (as the King and POW are on a three day holiday together and that it is kind of clear where the rift is not) ... so (pause) now the other stories such as pictures and formality are pitched as false and a certain sense to return to a higher ground as the media, bad sources are proving to him that his view of them is justified.

IDK somehow I'm reminded of the walk about in Canada with the baby on a sling with dog which just happened to be caught by some photographer. In the same way the photos just happen to catch her carrying the kid on school run or walking the dog(s) in some other neighborhood where they didn't live or some bystander accidentally takes photos of the family at a parade.

I don't follow their schedules (it is enough with all my family) but the stories about the reconciliation forward movement, rifts with this or that person (nothing about apologies to Camilla or Katherine or any of the others who have been publicly talked badly about ... or slamming of the country of his birth) do seem to appear on a regular basis. Clockwork almost. And always oddly timed, conveniently to benefit them.




Humor Me said…
Re: CDAN article - exactly and no surprise. Keeping the children in the LoS is paramount for the couple, married or not. That "link" to the family is just as important as H being the son of the living monarch.
Re the walk in Canada: reportedly she notified the paps of the time she'd be at the start of the Bear Path, with Archie/a doll/ a giant dead frog in a baby sling. Hence the manic grin because she knew nobody dared call her out on it in the Press. It didn't stop us though.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7909443/Meghan-beams-carrying-Archie-walking-dogs-Harry-boards-flight-Vancouver.html

For those wondering if we're likely to ditch the Monarchy and go republican any time soon, may I remind them that we have enough difficulty finding halfway-decent Prime Ministers, of either or any party, and we're stuck with them for only 5 years max. Heaven help us if we had to elect a Head of State.

As for the Hereditary principle, were the job up for grabs, those who really want to be monarch are the last people on earth who should get the job.

Just my cynical view...
I've just had a look at https://www.tumgik.com/the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara-1 and found this choice comment:
`Well your son has to blame someone Charles and not the woman in the wine cellar with her burner phone leaking away like a untightened water faucet.'
Or is she the Mad Woman in the Attic, another Bertha Mason trying to destroy our heroine?
Girl with a Hat said…
I keep seeing the comment "Imagine Tony Blair as president" as an argument against the UK becoming a republic.
Well, the third world war didn't start because of Russia but because the King's men did not inform all the papers with words and happenings that Harry accepts as truth. The way to his father's heart seems to be complicated when poor diddums does not get what he wants.

Can anyone think that Harry would be a perfect representant for the Royal House or the King's government?

I believe that H more than qualifies for `sectioning' under the Mental Health Act (danger to others, if not himself) and HM, as his father. could initiate the process - except for the ensuing brouhaha that would come from the Press. H could have very a comfortable life in a special nursing home, albeit under lock and key, playing at being a king.
More needs to be disseminated about how he treats other living things, both human and non-human (ponies and marsh harriers for a start) but I can't see Charles going along with that.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://x.com/sage1411/status/1972329929313587711

Royally Sage
@sage1411
An image has emerged of the man in grey suit who had derailed Harry’s relationship with his father.
So Harry meets papa and travels home to Montecito. He tells everything to his wife. Intimate details are published in different papers. Harry understands with his sharp intellect that the men in the grey suits are leaking information to papers to destroy his fine work to be fully accepted member of the Royal Family again.

His father's feelings are hurt but not as much as Harry's feelings.

Yes, quite, of course.

Uhh, did I remember to mention Harry's sharp intellect...?

JK Rowling has just issued a statement , part of which is worth quoting , about a privileged person, in this case actress & activist Emma Watson:
"Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is."
Her description certainly fits someone else we know.
So the information about the baroness academic studies were all lies. Is there anything in her life that is truthful at all? Just lies, lies, lies?

Youtube Hollywood top stories: "MM EXPOSED as University REVEALS She Did Not Graduate At All"

abbyh said…
I thought I remember seeing scans of graduation bulletin which had her listed - years ago.

I have not looked at that website myself but it does seem to have a list of things which always seem a little farther out there than the usual youtube stuff on her. I am never sure how much I trust some websites.

What I always thought was weird was we never saw comments by people who worked along side of her at the school during plays or any copy of the play list showing what role she had in a production.

Maybe the school was under some signed document about what could and could not be publicly released about her but the other students would not be.
abbyh said…
Do we hear the creak of the first turn of the screw?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7uokjlCy8I
Girl with a Hat said…
here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq4RjxbWJaE
OKay said…
I would hesitate to give YouTube credit for any real breaking news. They're constantly telling me my favourite soap actors or characters have died too, when no such thing has happened.
Maneki Neko said…
Thomas Markle is said to be trapped on the 19th floor of his apartment in the Philippines after a massive earthquake and unable to walk, according to Samantha. I wonder if *, this great humanitarian, will rush over to help him and others like she did - supposedly - when other tragedies occurred (Ulvade, LA fires).
Girl with a Hat said…
This is new - She claimed that Doria was AA and Jewish, and that * was born in Berlin, Germany, according to her wikipedia page.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/97a7a821140ae97931d5121915956a3611fa251c57fe2130c22887f847c15c6a.jpg
Girl with a Hat said…
And now Ghislaine Maxwell claims that *'s past is darker than we think:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a9bb9c0cb13abe54cb91ee846f5c2c3b008a92eaa476bff7da0bc6f85ab78087.jpg

I will try to find that story in the gazette
Girl with a Hat said…
ok, here is the story in the link above.
https://greenisland.linkxtop.com/ghislaine-maxwell-alleges-meghan-markles-hollywood-past-holds-dark-secrets-putting-royal-family-at-riskhl/

Girl with a Hat said…
@PopBase
A British version of the Met Gala is being planned to take place in October at The British Museum.

Invitations have reportedly been sent out.

https://x.com/PopBase/status/1972008790674506009

That's going to be a fun event. I hope Anna Wintour is not involved.
Girl with a Hat said…
British City of York May Strip Sarah Ferguson of Honorary Title in the Wake of Her Growing Epstein Scandal
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/british-city-york-may-strip-sarah-ferguson-honorary/

The Yorks getting stripped of their titles should be one of Charles' priorities.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3cef6e2274ebdc91b0ed52e38095df4273fc506138a500a1913000522aefabf8.jpg

* pretended to be half Jewish so that she could access to events by the ADL ( a Jewish charity) with celebs.
Girl with a Hat said…
Jane Goodall has died.
Watch the Sussexes insert themselves into the narrative of her death as though they were the best of friends.
Ian's Girl said…
Half Jewish sounds exactly like something Nutmeg would come up with. If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. Full stop. Not that I believe Doria is Jewish, obviously Nutmeg lied again, but still.
Maneki Neko said…
Excerpt from an article in the DT

'The Duke of Sussex has dragged his brother the Prince of Wales into his legal battle against the Daily Mail’s publisher.

Lawyers for high-profile figures including the Duke have alleged that private investigators were paid to spy on the Prince and Princess of Wales.

The move risks deepening the rift between the brothers, and comes weeks after the Duke reunited with the King for the first time in 19 months over tea at Clarence House.

The Duke is one of seven claimants suing Associated Newspapers for alleged privacy breaches dating back up to 30 years. Associated, which also publishes the Mail on Sunday, denies any wrongdoing and says the “lurid” claims are preposterous.'
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He just can't leave it alone, can he? Note the last paragraph I quoted: 'alleged privacy breaches dating back up to 30 years'. 30 years', yet he's still harping on about it. Heaven knows what he's hoping to get out it. More millions? And this is the same Harry who wants a reconciliation with the RF, if not a return to it. He can't let go of the past, including past slights, resentments and of course his mother's death. If he did undergo psychotherapy, it obviously hasn't worked but who knows what that wife of his has been manipulating behind the scenes.
Might it have been in a US military hospital? Was her dad ever in the US forces?
Babies born in British military hospitals in the days of BAOR were British and a Dutch royal baby was born during the war in a bit of Canada declared to be Dutch at the time!
Being born on normal German soil would surely put the kibosh on her presidential aspirations, even if nothing else did.
It hasn't needed any dark secrets so far to put the RF at risk. It was obvious from the first she opened her gob in that on-street interview immediately after the engagement was announced.
Girl with a Hat said…
I've never heard of Thomas Markle being a veteran.
Even if she were born on foreign soil, she would be American due to her parents and would be entitled to run for president. Senator Ted Cruz of the USA was born in Canada but ran as a candidate for president for his party.
Here's a little mystery. Over on SMM, kiwi_love 777 has posted a snippet from Instagram , see
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1nvtck7/does_anyone_know_where_they_are_lipreader_breaks/
and
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPQsTfZgRnH/?igsh=MTdvbGlhcDlrM3JlZA%3D%3D

The question is, when and where did it happen that a lipreader caught * apparently telling H to `take advantage of the situation -tonight'. It's clearly at a Remembrance event (even if their poppies are botanically incorrect!). What was scheduled for that evening? What happened?
H apparently said `Sweet' , something I've only ever heard in crime dramas, in response to being told of some devious and illegal plan.
Maneki Neko said…
Instead of hailing Jane Goodall's work as a renowned conservationist, Harry says 'She held our son', as if that was her greatest and only achievement. She met him once when he was a very small baby. At least, that's more than Thomas Markle did.
OKay said…
How dramatic! Got a few things wrong, such as saying she's known today as a "philanthropic royal." That must have been written during one of Madame's other manifesting periods. I'd like to believe it, and I would LOVE for Ghislaine to have receipts, but I don't think that's really the case.
@Maneki
Did she really hold Archie?
No photos of her holding him and IIRC there was a lot said about how * wouldn't let anyone else touch him. Does this add up? Did it really happen or is this just more of their drivel. Shades of the tale of Lidl playing around the legs of the frail Queen with bone cancer?
The bit about the `Royal wave' is too like other fabrication for me not to have doubts.
Jane Goodall was a very remarkable woman. I first heard of her in 1962/3, when I was still at school, from Hugo van Lawick's photo report in the National Geographic . It stuck firm in my memory. She was only the 8th person ever to be admitted to Cambridge University to do a doctorate (PhD) without having done a first degree. Quite something. Her work had obvious impressed Leakey, even when only in her twenties.
abbyh said…
Interesting points about controlled access and all. There were others whose story came off as shaky at the time. Ellen and wife - the timing of their trip at that moment seemed difficult to fit in when you looked at the rest of their trip - here, there and, most importantly, something about the timing of each other piece.

What I really liked was one of the comments (paraphrase) about how H didn't want a life in a goldfish bowl but exchanged it for one of a wall mounted aquarium.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd0c31e356dbb1e73613fd26240be25d001e8ede787cbcc9ff27b0b58e6c4415.png

This American young woman of colour was approached to try to marry Harry and to ruin the BRF.
I remember that rumour - the thought crossed my mind very early on that * was being used deliberately to achieve someone else's fiendish plot, whether from US or elsewhere (I'm not putting any speculation on that into writing). I was shot down for seeing a conspiracy.
I still think it could be a parallel to `Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you'.
abbyh said…
I was in the middle of yoga and it came to me: it doesn't make sense that her father was in Germany when * was born. He was already winning awards for his work in set lighting by that age.

I cross checked it with Samantha's book. Their Markle grandfather, Gordon, fought after Pearl Harbor. Thomas left the nest at 18 to go to Chicago to follow his dream with a PBS station (page 8).

And, you are right about Jewishness is carried by the mother.
Girl with a Hat said…
https://pixhost.icu/avaxhome/7d/7d15/7d150209e1e547a48c0617cbe97fe68e-442814622398761658.webp

A magazine article about that Japanese princess who escaped from the trappings of Japanese royal life. We don't hear much about her, do we?
Girl with a Hat said…
Here's the article about the Japanese princess.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a66014072/princess-mako-komuro-private-american-life-interview-2025/
Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar

Did Jane Goodall really hold Archie, good question, but according to Harry she did.
'She held our son, Archie, when he was first born, and showered love and care to those who were privileged to know her. She will be deeply missed.'

But a frosty interaction between the Sussexes and Dr Goodall when she held Archie for the first time may have been a subtle indication of their desire to leave the royal household.

In his book, Battle of the Brothers, royal historian Robert Lacey revealed how Dr Goodall had paid the Royal couple a visit at their family home, Frogmore Cottage, just days after the young prince was born.
. . .
But a frosty interaction between the Sussexes and Dr Goodall when she held Archie for the first time may have been a subtle indication of their desire to leave the royal household.

He writes: 'She was holding the newborn Archie tenderly in her arms and she offered the baby to the 85-year-old Goodall for a cuddle'.

Recalling the meeting herself, Dr Goodall revealed that she was 'one of the first' to give the newborn prince a cuddle, aside from family members.

She added: 'I made Archie do "the Queen's wave", saying "I suppose he'll have to learn this".

But Harry seemed far from impressed by Dr Goodall's words - quickly responding: "No! He's not growing up like that!".'
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In that case, why do Archie's parents want him in the LoS? Note that * 'was holding the newborn Archie tenderly in her arms' - rather purple prose.
Yes, it's odd. There is good photographic evidence that H has met JG but at a conference or similar. None for her meeting or Archie. Again, IIRC, didn't * claim they had had a string of eminent visitors to Frog Cott, eg HM QEII & Hilary Clinton? All figments of her imagination.
Did JG just go along with the story o save embarrassment?
Girl with a Hat said…
https://x.com/RoyallyBelle_/status/1973735812648087741

Belle
@RoyallyBelle_
I can’t blame him, I’d absolutely look at the Princess of Wales like that too
The taxi driver in Pakistan who carried her and William had a glorious expression on his face as well. Can't find the photo now...
Here are the responses on SMM to the questions about what the lipreader read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1nvtck7/does_anyone_know_where_they_are_lipreader_breaks/
Girl with a Hat said…
I think this post explains very well what changes William expects to make wrt the press and royal rota when he is king;

https://x.com/Canellelabelle/status/1974111413523169516
abbyh said…
Nice well thought out piece

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1nxbf8a/a_little_bit_of_context_about_charles_the_current/
Thank you, Abbyh, for posting that very thoughtful piece.
Even when Charles was a child, the Press had him in their sights ,with unfair comments about his appearance or the way he was dressed, neither of which he was responsible for.
Oh my!!! This report points the finger at a `former patron' for Sentebale's financial losses. As one Sinner says, `It's brutal'.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1nxpl7n/sentebale_report_and_accounts_period_ended_31/

Girl with a Hat said…
I didn't understand what the legal fees were related to. Were they for Hairy's litigation to defend himself against allegations linked to his role at Sentebale or were they for another suit? He has so many, it's hard to keep them straight
Girl with a Hat said…
She shows up at Paris Fashion Week dressed up as a ghost. Halloween isn't for another 3 weeks.
@GWAH: I've given up trying to follow the intricacies of what H owes/thinks others owe him. Life' s too short!

I'm waiting for him to make a tone-deaf protest about needing money for his security, following the recent dreadful event in Manchester.

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