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Charles versus Charles - What's Likely?

Eh I don't know.  I just don't exactly think that is the kind of thing, those words, Charles would say to his ex brother in law at any time.  

Think of the timing of that.  

He had been getting along with her.  Her brother, not so much.

The calls about what was happening with the kids previously - I think it was that someone was insisting they bring the kids to the Palace to display them or make them see the flower displays and Philip said they would not (the kids were dealing with their feelings - I seem to remember that they were not certain exactly where William was as he was up in the hills somewhere).  The family was circling the wagons about protecting the kids from what they saw/felt could create long term problems.  I suspect they had numerous discussions just in that time period of how to help care for the kids in addition to all the funeral planning.  

He's just come back from joining his ex sisters in law to bring back the body.  He fought his mother about his even going, how they were going to fly there and back, he could see that the crowds were becoming moblike in I must show how much I am grieving displays (heartful but at some point it was becoming tad bit performative).  And, he was fighting to give her a higher status funeral than she might have expected being ex HRH (and certainly not merely a private family only one).  

So I don't see why given how distraught he was after that trip, thinking (he is a heavy thinker) about what this now means for the kids he loves, how he will have to try to step in (not like he doesn't already have a lot on his plate) ways that Diana would no longer be able to that it would be likely that he would come out and say that no one is going to remember her next month - to Charles S or anyone else not in the Spencer family.  

BUT ... perhaps having yet another person trying to tell him what they/he should not do - coming from yet another person who was not a parent of the kids nor someone who dealt with the kids daily, weekly or on any sort of a regular basis was really bad timing on someone else's part no matter how much they claimed they knew what she would or would not want.


What I could believe is that Charles (PW) told Charles S that he (CS), not being a parent of the two boys in question did NOT have the right to determine what the kids were or were not going to do in no uncertain terms.  That some anger in the tone of voice may have come out could be in the very likely that happened category I think.  

We also look at Charles S's behavior.  He did not appear to have really been a major part of the lives of the kids before his "grand" speech at the funeral.  It is kind of murky about how much he did participate in their lives after her death.  


What is interesting is that this now comes out after the Queen has passed and Charles is now king.  In some ways it comes off as similar to that funeral speech - aimed at the royal family, specifically Charles, in a setting where they/he are constrained by protocol from responding (never explain).  The appearance of one last chance to stab a person in the back (served cold) publicly?  

The other thing is that CS and CS alone appears to have the complete control of where people come to for her grave.  I can understand that controlling the mob interest initially was reasonable (and a reasonable idea).  Long term though it meant that even her kids had to go through him to get to her while he's making money off every person who walks through.  It optically might have been good to have money donated to one of her pet charities and him less so?  Perhaps William might not give her HRH back but instead bring her body back so he, his kids might be able to have a closer, easier access to remembering her.  There are probably fewer and fewer people feeling some need to visit her grave as years pass.


  


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I wonder if William might wish to have his mother's remains brought to the Royal Burial Grounds at Frogmore or somewhere more exalted? James I and VI had his mother's remains brought down from Scotland and entombed in Westminster Abbey, far more politically charged than burying Diana at Windsor. Legally, I suspect that William would have more clout in this than Spencer.
I've just checked on whether Spencer was one of Diana's executors - he wasn't, so he doesn't have any right to say where she might be reburied if it comes to a legal case. I've read that her sister Sarah was an executor and I can't imagine she'd want her brother to control the matter..
Both Prince Charles and Her Majesty were treated appallingly by the Press and public opinion.
The Spencers failed in their family duty - whoever heard of a divorcee being buried by her ex's family? To make that nasty eulogy his only contribution was reprehensible.
It looked as if Charlee PoW was afraid that Al Fayed would intervene and the story is that he asked the Queen if she wanted Diana brought home in a Harrods van?
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Something else to consider about the topic above:

Does it support the description of Charles' behavior in Spare?
abbyh said…
Finding my comments in that post. Not so willing to just go reread the book again for any other mentions of CS. Or for more specifics about his father about telling about his mother's passing, I remember that he did.

He does mention that Charles S was against the boys walking. PP comes off as kind of agast at the thought but offers to walk with them if they do.

A lot about how uncommunicative his father is. Leaves notes instead of talking. Nothing about being giddy.

The CS funeral speech was about how everyone (including the BRF) stalked her.

Comment that he and William were the only men who loved her or loved her the most. (ouch - not quite as in sync with CS or that his father could have a lot of conflicted feelings through the years)

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