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The giant hand and the half-revealed baby: What a strange photo


The Instagram account @SussexRoyal, generally assumed to be run by Meghan Markle, posted a new photo of Baby Archie today to commemorate Father's Day. 

Although the photo is sepia-toned - a nod to Markle's beloved black-and-white - at least the baby's back isn't to the camera, as Meghan is so fond of posing in photos of her and her husbands. 

Strangely, the baby's face is half-obscured, covered by Harry's hand, which is shot from an angle that makes it appear larger than the baby's head.

The real centerpiece of the photo is Harry's wedding ring, which is right in the middle of the frame. 

A cold and loveless photo

Baby pictures with a parent are a classic that dates back to the Renaissance painters and before. Sometimes the mother and child (or, less often, father and child) both gaze out at the viewer; in other images, they look lovingly at each other. 

But unfailingly, they interact. Part of the visual story is the interaction between the parent and child. 

Not in the Baby Sussex photo. Harry's face isn't shown; we see only the hands of a man, presumably Harry, who could be said to be flaunting his wedding ring at the camera. 

(Had it been a female hand, it would have looked like an advertisement for jewellery).

Is the message here "my marriage, and my spouse, is more important than this child"?


The baby appears trapped

Archie appears trapped behind the man's hand, almost as if he is trying to climb out of a hole. His mouth is covered, as if he has no voice. 

The baby's eyes reach out to the viewer, but they don't radiate peace or joy; in fact, he seems unhappy and afraid.

What's more, he's not interacting with the man who is holding him. 

Is he interacting with the person taking the photo? If so, there appears to be very little affection between them. 


Odd little hand hairs

Oddly, the hairs on the man's hand cover part of the baby's nose in the photo. This would have been a good opportunity for Photoshop; it seems unlikely that his random body hair is really more important than seeing a new baby's face. 

What's going on in this photo? And what does it say about the person who took it and chose to post it? 


Comments

Avery said…
It's just all so sad. I'm feeling sorry for Harry. The Claw got him. And I, (even as an empath) didn't feel badly for her on that balcony. She's had plenty of time to at LEAST master basic protocol in public!
Hikari said…
This is how I want to remember Harry and William, not as they are now . .
https://ca.hellomagazine.com/royalty/02017090738526/prince-william-prince-harry-first-day-of-school

Or this . . .
https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/23/europe/princess-diana-william-harry/index.html

Harry does not look at his brother like that any more.

Harry had stick-straight hair as a child. When did it get so curly?
Aus Unknown said…
Elle, I think generally some people are getting ahead of themselves ... perhaps not here, but elsewhere. Meg isn't going anywhere just yet. I don't know much about the famous Lord G. I think another damaging article is out today. She is definitely being frozen out, it's palpable.

What is that old saying? Once you're in an exclusive club, then there is an inner circle that you also need to penetrate. Meg has not punctured that inner sanctum of the royals. She never will, despite any delusion of her followers. The fact that she was an actress was always going to cause disharmony. As PP said, "you don't marry one" ...

I agree she is sinking herself, which was the whole strategy, IMO. I've no doubt the senior members of the BRF know Megs is an opportunist, obnoxious and disingenuous. But I think they are more concerned with her behaviour from engagement - what is in the public domain to embarrass and humiliate the Queen.

I just feel that Harry would not have been able to marry her if they knew the extent of her proclivities. Of course, they knew she was quite promiscuous, just by the sheer number of men and what has been published recently. But I don't know that they knew of her "yachting" and what it entailed ... am I naive?

FC is a real insult indeed, owned by the Crown, not the Queen. Just try claiming that house from the UK taxpayers, Megs! I dare you!

Aus Unknown.
Aus Unknown said…
@LadyJane: thank you, I will get a name, I'm tired of having to remember to type it or paste it ... Aus Unknown.

I'll just add that I feel sorrow knowing that Diana's baby boy has made such a mess of his life ... maybe Harry would have been mature and responsible had he been born first.
Avery said…
I have to laugh - it's been nagging at me. Did you mean to throw a nod to Harry Potter with the title of this post? Could have been 'Harry's Giant Hand and the Half-Revealed Prince'.
Anonymous said…
Agree, Aus. And completely on the "yachting". It was one thing when the BRF thought that MM had done the Walk of Shame on several continents, but it's quite the other if it's on film with some down-and-dirty-nasty action and more than one man or something. They can let HMTQ on the balcony with a tart, but flat-out rent-a-ho, that's just not going to work. I doubt they did know about the "yachting". That's why she had to move hard and fast. By the time they knew, the ring was on the finger.

Oooooh, and did I miss another damaging article? Where? Do tell!
Aus Unknown said…
rent-a-ho - ha, ha! The article was about how 'ruthless' MM was re her divorce from Trevity-Trev .... why is this surfacing again now?! It's like they've released the Kraken!
Aus Unknown said…
I'd believe it. She probably thought she was superior because she had a discernible "career" ...
Aus Unknown said…
My posts aren't showing up LadyJane. I've got a blogger name now!
Anyone foolish enough to do anything remotely possible to rouse MI5 / MI6 (I can't figure out the proper one) is far beyond stupid and downright dangerous. This is their job.
Amanda said…
punkinseed - That is what i do so i will try to answer as best i can - :)

When investigating fraud cases we look at two fundamental things 1) capability and 2) intent. Some are opportunity fraudsters who take advantage of immediate circumstances and others are career fraudsters, who plan for a long game - they pick their targets by 1) status, 2) finances, 3) Personality types and 4) family circumstances.

1) Status - they want someone who has a high societal and/or professional status and access to contacts, finances but not someone who is top tier - top tier indicates they also have advisers or a certain brain functioning that means high level critical thinking and/or strategic planning (this is not positive as they dont want them cottoning on to what is going on)

2) finances: Pretty obvious but these finances have to be easy as possible to be accessed - so any trust funds or finances that require multiple levels of authorisations to be accessed may be too difficult.

3) Personality types - You want to target someone who isn't high functioning in critical thinking, ability to rationalise. Someone who is needy emotionally, as well as requiring a sense of ego stroking is ideal. The fraudster will want to be the decision maker, but at the same time not be shown to others for their dominating ways - Harry is perfect target (same as trump but that is another rant)

4) family circumstances - Your target cant have a super close family dynamic as they want to have control over them. At the same time this can be used for emotional or financial blackmail if the fraudster has information that may be embrassing to the family's reputation or legally contentious.

I get the impression Harry was really affected by hius mother's death, the expectations from being in the firm and constantly being compared to his brother. I honestly think Harry was trapped in some way (either a pregnancy or a secret she knows) and has been partly manipulated. I cant say for sure whether he was aware of her motives, but i get the impression he may be impaired in some way - his behaviours has always been inpulsive and testing the limits - which the public have always forgiven him for, but now he is being faced with not being a favourite.

As to how he looks when he is with her - i have also noted the difference in his looks - take note of his eye line, how his postures different and gestures. When he wasnt with her he stood straighter, his eyes looked more animated, his stance was more confident. When with her, he is lackluster and his posture is slouched, his clothing not sharp and his demeanour is almost deferring to her. A domestic abuser will try to isdolate their victim from family, friends or anyone that could undermine their influence. (I am not saying any abuse is happening, but psychologically it just appears that way).

I also think that much of Meg's envy and jealously of Kate may stem from the great relationship harry has with her, as well as her position in the heiracrchy.

I could write more but just my thoughts :)

abbyh said…
That was a good picture. I was wrong.

Blackbird said…
NZ Herald thinks they're moving to the US:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12242596

... maybe Enty's blind about someone linked to Harry and Meghan house scouting on their behalf, is correct?
Unknown said…
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Now! said…
I think we need to differentiate between what would cause Meg problems in the Commonwealth (a sex tape, since many of the Commonwealth countries are extremely socially conservative) and what would cause her problems in the West (any suggestions of racism or misuse of privilege, in a climate where everyone is concerned about inequality.)

A video of Meg cursing at her former assistant and throwing tea at her would be much more damaging for her in the UK and US than nudie shots or a sex video, which might make her look like a victim. (See Bella Thorne's recent drama.)

The opposite is probably true in some Commonwealth countries, where abuse of servants is common but a Royal's wife is expected to be a woman of "high morals" and to keep her clothes on.
Now! said…
I think we need to differentiate between what would cause Meg problems in the Commonwealth (a sex tape, since many of the Commonwealth countries are extremely socially conservative) and what would cause her problems in the West (any suggestions of racism or misuse of privilege, in a climate where everyone is concerned about inequality.)

A video of Meg cursing at her former assistant and throwing tea at her would be much more damaging for her in the UK and US than nudie shots or a sex video, which might make her look like a victim. (See Bella Thorne's recent drama.)

The opposite is probably true in some Commonwealth countries, where abuse of servants is common but a Royal's wife is expected to be a woman of "high morals" and to keep her clothes on.
Blackbird said…
There was an article in the New Zealand Herald today suggesting that it was a done deal that Harry and Meghan are moving to the US. If that happens I think we can all be assured of some interesting times ahead!
Now! said…
I think we need to differentiate between what would cause Meg problems in the Commonwealth (a sex tape, since many of the Commonwealth countries are extremely socially conservative) and what would cause her problems in the West (any suggestions of racism or misuse of privilege, in a climate where everyone is concerned about inequality.)

A video of Meg cursing at her former assistant and throwing tea at her would be much more damaging for her in the UK and US than nudie shots or a sex video, which might make her look like a victim. (See Bella Thorne's recent drama.)

The opposite is probably true in some Commonwealth countries, where abuse of servants is common but a Royal's wife is expected to be a woman of "high morals" and to keep her clothes on.
hardyboys said…
I dont believe Harry is infertile bc of the one undefended testicle. I believe the media or his parents dispelled that rumour to keep the hungry wolves at bay. Quite clever tbh. We dont know anything about them but we know about his testicles and virility? I dont buy it. Also some of the expressions and prose of the visitors on this blog blows my mind. I told my friend about this blog and to chime in. Keep posting Nutty. What do you think about the fact that samantha didnt write that ridiculous book? I think she got spooked. It was either Thomas Sr or some authority.
KayeC said…
punkinseed- I have a family member who is a narcissit, so I can spot one a mile away (I am not a pro, but raised by one) and what is really scary is their lack of empathy. It seems Harry was at the "I want a family" stage, that I think most men have when all their friends are getting married and starting families and they are the last bachelor. I always thought she used her "actress" past as a way to assure him that she was use to being in the public eye and could handle the press. Then she used his insecurities (all of them), when things didn't work out. The press and his family were mean to her (cue Diana card...even though the public loved her), then she made it a them against the world situation. She knew all the buttons to push to make herself the victim and narcissist are great at turning the tables to make the other person feel at fault.









hardyboys said…
I'm starting to wonder about the legitimacy of harry markle blog owners credentials. This person claims to have been in cambridge law program as well as a former model. It just seems a little fishy
Aus Unknown said…
Testing ... a couple of my posts didn't show, not sure if it's because I've joined Blogger and got a proper username.
punkinseed said…
KayC. I agree with you. Narcissists are very scary because not only do they lack empathy, they are void of any kind of real love. I think, to mask that deficit and feed their endless need for supply, they become actors. Harry was a super easy mark for her after she broke through his emotional defenses and managed to isolate him and then alienate his friends and family who had his back. And yes, you're so right that she played the Diana card then fed his ego using the us against the world situation. I've had some very intense experiences with narcissists and what I've found is that when they do try to deflect, I've pushed back by saying: This isn't about me. This is about YOU and only you. The one thing that makes Megs crazy is when she can't deflect. What's really crazy and desperate of her is when she uses proxies to defend her deceptions. A mask on a mask. Her "sugars" are as bad as she is if not worse. They are similar to a bully's sidekick.
Hikari said…
Speaking of lack of empathy, take a look at this photo from TOC 2018 and see what you interpret MM's expression to be. This captures the moment after a rider fell from his horse during the parade. Kate looks horrified; Harry is grimacing in sympathy for a fallen comrade. What is Markle doing? Apart from the coquettish tilt of her hat . . (take a good look at her eyes) . . .she appears to be snickering behind her hand. Has she ever ridden a horse in her life? Kate and Harry have; they know a fall from one can be fatal or result in paralyzing injuries. If Markle *is* laughing, she's the only one who is. That is textbook narcissism.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a21250237/trooping-the-colour-2018-prince-harry-meghan-markle-lipreader/
Nic said…
Not sure if this will go this time, but I'll give it a go... The Commonwealth Service 2019 was held March 11th. The pregnant woman flanked by two security guards outside of the Abbey was positioned apart from the crowed and off to the side of the two groups with flowers. IMO, she was meant to be seen. Apropos to the Ides of March (the 15th), I think it was a flagrant message to MM/PH, of a settling of debt. *If* that pregnant woman was the surrogate (why would a pregnant woman be allowed to stand there with security and not be escorted away if she was not meant to be there?) I'm thinking it was the BRF's (QEII's) way of saying the money well was dry and it was "game over". Also, the quick and dirty dissolution of houses while PH/MM were travelling on "royal business", imo, was a knee jerk reaction to something. Accounting report? If it's true that there was a "contract" (blackmail = wedding) then there would be an "end date". The only way to exceed that end date would be via an heir (golden goose, i.e., the goal post was shifted). Desperate acts require swift and severe reaction, even if it humiliates PH. I'm thinking the RF managed to hoodwink MM and buy out the terms of the surrogate's contract, that's if there ever was one, then either the surrogate has the baby and will raise the baby a single mom, or, she is the “nanny” and she is living at KP and is “set for life”/will be paid to take care of the baby and is assured the baby will receive a good education/be recognized as PH’s. It will be interesting to know if a DNA test was ever done and if either PH/MM are the biological parent.

Most of this is purely speculation on my part. What else do [they] expect with such a charade they are publishing in the public domain?
Jdubya said…
Just read Harry Markle blog new post about split of foundation and it sure makes me wonder ....
punkinseed said…
Hikari. I looked and you're correct. She was snickering and stifling a laugh from the look of it. What kind of a person thinks someone who falls off of a horse and is quite possibly injured amusing? I'd venture to guess that the royals and their courtiers reviewed and noted her reaction and that's partly why she was forced away to the side of the balcony this year. After all of her disrespect for protocol this past year, she's blown their trust. They've given her plenty of passes and chances by forgiving miss steps and not knowing or forgetting form, but blatant refusal to respect and follow protocols adds up.
Nic said…
@Nutty, re "muling". If true that PH was muling/how he could be set-up and be blackmailed in the first place, his position of privilege (above reproach/means,) would definitely be a motivator to mule if he was satiating an addiction. The channel could also be hijacked by an interloper. That would be such a fantastic take down/excuse to keep MM from raising baby Archie/supervising controlling her access/booting her to the curb. jmo
punkinseed said…
Thank you so much Amanda! I appreciate your taking the time to explain this.

I agree that he is impaired, too, and is trapped. I fear the growing isolation and control she's imposing on him will be very damaging to him. It's already showing when he's with her and will only get worse over time.

You're spot on about her envy of Kate, too. Everything for Megs is about competition and control.
d.c. said…
Aww, what a sweet look! In both pics!
No, PH certainly does not look at his brother like that anymore... :[
d.c. said…
Hikari, she's totally laughing - I saw that photo a few days ago, and it was described as exactly the moment you said. Such lack of empathy. I can't even imagine laughing at someone else's pain. This pic is the one that made me start to legit worry she was scary, in a serious way.
Unknown said…
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Anonymous said…
Punkinseed, I tried to answer, too, but my posts are not showing up. Maybe too long? IDK. I tried several things. I pretty much agree with the above, although intelligence is not necessarily protection from fraud. Also, it takes a high degree of rationalization on the part of the victim / mark to believe the superficial trail laid down by the fraudster, but perhaps we are using the word differently. I mean it in this way: "the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate." Also, intelligent people can have emotional black holes that allow them to be played. Love/lust is an emotional drug. Some are needier than others. I recall Heather Mills did a fine job of it for awhile, for ex. So while I agree on the points above, there are other things I look for. I will try to figure out how to do a larger post IF this one actually works.
Aus Unknown said…
I've never bought into the whole coercion theory, but it's easy to see why people do. Meg is just shady and Harry is a dimwit. There is your explanation, IMO.
Aus Unknown said…
I don't know if this post is full, but I've been having trouble posting - can't find my replies. So sorry to anyone it seems I've ignored!
Anonymous said…
I read that they would get their own foundation 'later'. That can mean never, but makes it sound good for now.
Aus Unknown said…
I know what you mean, but in Australia, our indigenous genes are recessive; so many of ours have blonde/red hair/blue/green eyes ...

We recently had a baby in our family - I'm also mixed race - the baby was born quite dark, now she's fair, light hair and very blue eyes. We haven't had a paternity test done - suppose I shouldn't joke ...
Anonymous said…
I found her laughter inappropriate and uncaring when done during Harry's speech when the bee was bothering him. I'm allergic, but even if I weren't, there's really nothing fun or funny about a bee sting. Not to mention, that tongue of hers upping her repugnance factor (oh, that tongue! Why can't she keep it in her mouth! We know where that tongue has been and no one wants to see her tongue!)
KayeC said…
@Nic, good catch on the lady at Commonwealth Service. I watched it, a regular news version, and when I saw the woman, my first thought was, that is what an actual pregnant woman looks like. It was not until I saw a twitter version (I am not on twitter, but all this has made me a lurker..so ashamed) and it was obvious how out of place she was....standing against the wall at such an important event! There is also an inside the church video of the BRF meeting the performers and MM pulls Harry away and he doesn't even finish shaking hands...very rude...the band gives each other a look.



Hikari said…
You think those are cute . . look at this one. Taken at home at Highgrove, circa 1985, preschooler Wills and toddler Harry at the piano with Mummy. They are looking at Daddy taking the picture. Harry was my special favorite after this; look at that angelic baby. It makes me very sad what he has come to as an adult. Hard to remember that this adorable tot is still in there somewhere. Had he not had gaping psychic wounds after the loss of his mother so young, Farkle would not have been able to worm her way in so easily . . .

William always had serious eyes, even as a small child. The English like to dress their little boys as little girls, it seems . . and they are attached to certain baby outfits, since Louis wore an outfit of Harry's at the TOC.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4084243/prince-harry-william-age-gap-princess-diana-death/
Anonymous said…
Ditto. Three of mine said they were published, only showed up in reload, then disappeared, then I tried deleting and redoing. I think this is just full.
Hikari said…
I thought the same . . .did you try hitting 'Show more' at the bottom left side? The print is small and easy to miss. There are so many posts now you have to load several more pages to get to the last comment.

This topic is officially the Champ of NuttyBlog! Because the Mystery of Archie is never-ending. The baby in that pic kind of does look like Harry, but the proportion is all wrong. He appears far too small relative to the Giant Hand to be nearly 6 weeks old. I smell Photoshop magic. Farkle might have mucked around with an old infant picture of Harry's and done her 'arty' thing with it. That picture brings me out in the yips, it's so sinister. A photo tribute of a sweet baby on Father's Day should be wholesome, but Farkle does not know the meaning of the word. She was never pregnant during that 10-month long scam she subjected us to . . it was so blatantly obvious, her walking around with her undulating pillow that changed sizes and shapes by the hour. Far from trying to be authentic-seeming with the faux pregnancy, it's like she was daring anyone to comment and laughing at the world. None in the MSM did dare comment, which is why we are here. But if she's still carrying out the charade and photographing a doll or some other fakery . . .why does the BRF continue to collude with such an obviously deranged person? It's making them look weak. Who knows what's really going on behind the scenes . . I had thought she's probably under house arrest, and cut off from phone and Internet and any other tools of her spin trade. But then this sinister and ridiculous photo appears, along with hundreds of sugary articles singing her praises every day. How is this happening? She's obviously responsible for this repugnant photo of 'Archie' . . .and her PR bills are still getting paid. Lord G. is letting me down. I want that B--witch locked up in the Tower, not posting her self-serving twaddle all over the Internet.
punkinseed said…
Elle, you bring up some excellent points. Rationalizing does play a major role in order to scaffold and continue to support the fraudster's mark. And add pride to the picture. When the mark finds out he or she has been had and the fraudster is exposed, the mark's false pride often times won't allow himself to reveal or admit they'd been robbed, gaslighted, used, abused. The humiliation can be overwhelming. Harry seems so emotionally inept, fragile, that he might very well suffer a breakdown. What's sad is he'd rationalize and direct the blame on everyone but the true source and cause: Meg's malignant narcissism.
If she convinces him to move to the US, she would be successfully isolating him from his family and friends even more and, all he's known and relied on all his life. I think such a culture shock alone will be damaging.

This of course is all just speculation and opinion on my part. Can't wait to read the other things you look for Elle.
Anonymous said…
Does anyone have a link to the Commonwealth video where MM sees the pregnant woman? I've never seen this.
Hikari said…
Elle, I found this on YouTube.

The Woman in Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr9ZY1qXzYQ
Now! said…
Ha ha! I might have been influenced by the Harry Potter titles, but I've never read the actual books or seen the movies.
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Hikari said…
No kidding . . . I have just double-checked what 'tossing someone's salad' means. I had one sexual activity in mind, and turns out that salad tossing is not what I thought it was. It does not make much sense, as lingo goes. I don't get how that activity is supposed to resemble tossing a salad.

I do not want my salad tossed and I don't want to toss anyone else's, either.
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Hikari said…
I can't find the comment now where Meg's salad tossing video was discussed. I had to go to the urban dictionary to check myself on this meaning. It's not what I thought it was. I've never tossed anybody's salad, nor do I want to, particularly. Maybe for Richard Armitage I would, but he's probably the only one.

Q: If bona fide video (or several) exists of Farkle tossing salad, WHY does this woman have any hold over/leverage with the Royal Family? A person who tosses salad indiscriminately for money or baubles or whatever doesn't have any sort of moral authority.

Did the security services check this woman out pre-marriage? Assurances have been made that they did, but the ball seems to have been dropped, big-time, because it's taken 18 months for things to come to light about her that should have been discovered before H. was ever permitted to propose marriage. Like, Harry's betrothed was a prostitute, for example, and a known drug user. There are photos of her blazing up with the ganja in her favorite hat with J. Mulroney. Beyond these--and even these could be forgiven *if* her love for Harry and commitment to her new role were genuine . . a word that does not exist in Farkle-speak . . just the fact that she was American should have made her a no-go. Foreign agent with ties to dodgy types like Markus Anderson, e.g.

Forget the biracial, divorced, dodgy show-business past or the economically hapless fractured family . . . Harry should have been told in no uncertain terms that he had to marry a British subject as a non-negotiable, or else renounce his title and place in the Firm. Cressida is an actress, and the family were quite pleased when he was dating her. Acting, like any other profession, is one of levels of accomplishment/prestige. Markle was trolling around in the low, seedy end of the business . . certainly no RSC-level thespian aspirations for our girl. And yet her Maj goes and makes her patroness of the National Theatre (and she can't even be arsed to get the hashtag of her own patronage right on the SR Instagram account . . .) Why??? A salad tosser is now chief patron of a British institution that means so much to so many Britons. That patronage should have gone to Edward. Have they all lost their minds over there??
Anonymous said…
Another sign to watch for is the Pity Play. That was full-scale with these two. She did it wonderfully, too, hitting just the right spot. He had to think he needed to up his game (she's wonderful! marvelous! fabulous! rich! successful!) but if she only had a family (and I could give her one! I could make her dreams come true! I could be her Prince Charming!), poor little MM....

Remember how the Royal Family is the family Meghan never had? (Well, except for the one she had, PH, you played fool).

See how that worked.

Most people hate to be pitied. So when someone is actually making the pity play, there's a reason. I once read that if Satan came to earth, the first thing he'd do is make us feel sorry for him.

Pity is a skill the fraudster can use quite well and often does. When I see pity in play and actively encouraged, I know to keep digging.

d.c. said…
Yeah, that's an innocent happy little PH - and you're right, PW has always had a slightly wary more serious discerning look in his eyes - befitting a future monarch, I suppose.
Aw, Diana is so beautiful in that picture. I notice PW's PG seems to have his father's more serious gaze. (Of course, whoever is in the Archie Father's Day pic has quite the unhappy wary look in his eyes). Aak, here's hoping everything turns out well for everyone, esp the kids and the Cambridges.
d.c. said…
Oo, thanks, Hikari - I hadn't seen that video before. Really good explanation of what to look for, showing the woman in Brown is known by Harry and MM.
Blackbird said…
Does anyone think there is merit in the latest story doing the rounds about them moving to the US (as a certainty)?
Nic said…
LOL @ Hikari....I might/would probably for "Mr. Darcy". *swoon*

Ok, the reason the muling idea hit me so "square" was because I remember reading way back in the day, on-line (I'm going back to the 90's when things weren't so "bleached") that .... marker buoys were actually hatches (pick-up/drop-off points) for contraband while en route to their respective destination. It's how "moving" contraband went undetected. It never moved "through" a port, while en route, just tangent to it. The ships were never submitted to searches at their destination, because... well there is a reason for everything. *blink, blink* Interesting war "story", isn't it? I put "story" in quotes because how can anyone ever prove such a thing. But I've never forgotten it, and it makes sense how contraband could get from point A to B then, when considering the thousands of miles [it] would have had to travel/limited air travel. So "muling"/blackmail is a *very* interesting slant. jmo

Blackbird said…
What do folks here think of the latest report that they're "definitely" moving to the US?
Nic said…
@unknown, 9:50. If you were a surrogate who had a "cooling off period of 42 days", regardless what you would have been paid up front for your "cargo" (, i.e., EU$50,000 yours to keep, regardless). But then a third party approached you and offered to adopt your baby and contractually offer to house you, provide for you and yours (education, health and dental,) plus a stipend, health, dental, amenities, etc., etc., etc., and protection, until your dying days, which would you pick? If it were me, I'd so go for Door #2.
Anonymous said…
I don't believe in the "someone is too smart /too powerful / etc. to be played" scale. I think anyone can be vulnerable to the right fraudster. My own experience has included nice, smart, successful people who've been played well, but times of emotional vulnerability or a low emotional-intelligence-IQ individual certainly make for good prey.

Also, I agree that "Harry seems so emotionally inept, fragile..." and also agree that he may suffer some real emotional fall out from this. But there is one thing I observe that I haven't seen discussed, so I will throw this out and see what you think:

Harry has always been second, lesser-than, etc. Even when he was popular, he was still a spare. His nuclear family consists of two kings-in-waiting and Harry. Talk about never quite being good enough. And I think that was one of the megster's biggest draws is that (in the deep recesses of his mind) he knows that in his world, he'll always be "better" than her. Unfortunately for her, it's one of the things that would allow him to have contempt for her later.

Unequal relationships with a pity play are a solid red flag every time.
Nic said…
@Nutty. THANK YOU, for this community you have created to share thoughts and opinions about [all of this]. I am not part of social media (only get to see what is 'public'/cannot comment). So my opportunity to share is limited. Thanks for providing an opportunity to [us] to comment. Regardless how far fetched we are (in comparison to whom?!?). :-)
Nic said…
@Whippet. That sounds like the MM PR "Gestetner" machine in full-mo. (Anyone else remember smelling the 'purple' copies before quizes/exams?). :-). IMO, only one of them would ever be moving to the US. And subsequent to that, every person [they] employed/who was on the payroll "working" for [them], would be cut-off. jmo
Nic said…
@Elle, re, "I read that they would get their own foundation 'later'. That can mean never, but makes it sound good for now."

Yes. This probably means MM's PR Gestetner machine is working overtime/deflecting negative news. I may be wrong about this, but aren't trusts set up with a "float" by the bequeath (but in this case living entity/ies). And then subsequent to this, campaigns are scheduled throughout subsequent fiscal years to raise monies/fund the trust? I don't know. PW by lineage is padded, PH not so much. I'm open to correction.
Girl with a Hat said…
they cannot be moving to the USA because then there is no reason to be living off the British taxpayer.
Anonymous said…
@Hikari, THANK YOU!! Omg, this is quite strange. HMTQ, PC & Camilla, W&K don't acknowledge here, and the way they have her hiding behind the wall, as if she's supposed to be a surprise, and the H&M have frozen smiles but acknowledge.

That's bizarre. I wish it had better resolution. I'm surprised no one has identified her yet.
Anonymous said…
I don't know, but we could begin the protests now, true? :)
Anonymous said…
I want her gone and I don't care where she goes as long as it's away and some place quiet, but I think the BRF have to distance themselves and let her go down in flames on her own (taking PH w/her if he won't willingly go thru a thorough de-megging process) all the while building William & Kate up as the BRF we love. If and when H&M hit the streets alone, no other royal couple as protection, the booing will start and finish them. It's just much better long-run for the BRF let megster burn herself down all by herself.
Anonymous said…
Aus Unknown has posts above explaining the $, so I'd read them - quite informative. The condensed version is: yes, PW is dandy, PH will have to work harder for a living. Or Harry will have to seek handouts from PW and (later, when William is King) PG. If the report that PH was worried about being upstaged by George and Charlotte are true, then imagine how he'd hate asking George for money.
Anonymous said…
Well, if I had the tossed salad video, I'd def have kept that quiet till after the wedding ... so much more money and control at that point.

IDK, I'm American, but I think that if the BRF had shut this down directly, then they'd have been called racist and risked a "Diana". Instead, they're letting mm burn her own self down, and that's much more powerful. Yes, it means some money gets spent and a lot of blogs fill up with the WTF is HMTQ allowing here, but OTOH, by the time megster burns herself down, she'll have less-than-Fergie level options and money. She will be well and truly done and outed. Maybe that's why. IDK. Just speculation.

And I have to laugh because I didn't know what salad tossing was either. All I can say is that if there is that video and if megs is tossing it with more than one man or different men in different videos, then every time PH goes in for a smooch, he's got the image in his head of meg's tongue up someone else's salad. That's gotta suck lol. "Can you see now, my love?"
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Nic said…
@Mischi, true. I am Canadian, ergo I fall within the Commonwealth realm. We pay for state visits. (Very expensive!). If [they] moved to the US, they would lose their "funding". Unless they lived at an Embassy? That would be weird.
punkinseed said…
Yes Elle. I read all of your postings, so something must have worked that wasn't before. Thank you so much for your insight and in depth analysis. It really helps understand what makes fraudsters tick and how they operate.

Meg was treated as a favorite in her family. Almost like an only child as well, so she has never had to share, or take turns let alone have or feel genuine empathy for anyone. She is so self important that she feels entitled to take and take and never give back unless there's a quid pro quo. She has managed to convince Harry that although he's the spare in his family, that together they can "change the world" and become more popular, famous, powerful, adored than his father or brother and her goal is to outflank Kate.


You're right about the pity scam, too. She got Harry to believe she is a damsel in distress who he can rescue; be her hero and at the same time outshine William. What's lacking in such a relationship built on such things is how weary the rescuer eventually gets when his life is an ongoing series of saving her, and realize she's the one creating the false flags. One day he'll find out the truth and leave her tied to the railroad tracks. It's quite possible that he has already seen the cracks in her façade and that explains his utter contempt for her on the balcony.

I also think you're right about him knowing deep down that he is better than her. He is in so many ways, but he won't see it very well until he finally starts to look and listen to the truth. Megs is incapable of love, IMO. I think his brother will be there for him when her ways are revealed. One thing a fraudster can't do is destroy unconditional love between brothers who have been through so much together. Sure, she can create a lot of troubles along the way, but when the truth comes out, and it always does, she won't be able to control him anymore.
Jdubya said…
That video is really something. Thanks for posting the link.
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Anonymous said…
Yep. She was bright, pretty, shiny thing on the surface. If the ho-to-go rumors are true, then she can probably toss a salad and downward dog at the same time. He has the addiction gene, and he shows signs of obsessiveness in other relationships (if the text stories are true), so she was onto him. When he tried to quit, she drew him back in. She played the "isn't this magic? i tripped into your life" soulmate card (so original). She also got to let him save her from the press as he could not save his mother (fill that hole, Megster, fill that hole). And then, on top of it, poor little orphan megster, tapping into all PHs own feelings of loss, abandonment, and never being enough. I even wonder if Diana ever called PH "my love".

Megster had the perfect pity play, and every time someone tried to talk to PH about this, it just pushed him closer to her so he could rebel and show all them. He could also protect her from them like he couldn't protect his mother.

Well, he's shown them now... but somewhere, deep inside, PH is still a royal spoiled child who knows he married down (according to the social world he lives in, not me being a snob), and I predict that it will be deep and public humiliation that will push him away from her. That may be what BP and HMTQ will allow to happen. Until then, I've got to hand it to the Suitcase-and-Salad-To-Go Girl, she played this one.
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Girl with a Hat said…
why would the British pay for Harry and Meghan to live in the USA? I can understand Africa as a lot of countries belong to the Commonwealth, but not the USA. And Canada hardly has enough importance to have a royal living there full time.
BigFanUSA said…
He didn't listen to his brother, father, AND grandfather! Price Philip told him one doesn't marry an actress, one only steps out with an actress!
Now! said…
I have had the same problem myself. I will make a new post this weekend.
Anonymous said…
I think that the humiliation will have to be shattering. Not just the masses booing, but something truly humiliating to his fragile self-image. Something that humiliates him in front of his family & friends AND also leaves the image of megster in tatters, and not in a way he can pity her, but in a way that destroys her illusion, the image that hooked him in. I wonder if the stories that broke about megster hitting up any British celeb w/ a pulse is only a hint at what PH has been shown. If the yachting stories are true, then I can imagine that there'd be some video that could devastate his ego. Not just a tossed salad and a downward dog combo, but perhaps with his friends. Or it could be something with "the baby", but what could be this bad?

The reason I think there's something truly despicable is because of the way HMTQ is being shielded completely and H&M are being socially excommunicated. No gushing about the baby, no talking about the baby, neither one at Royal Ascot. I know MM is on "maternity leave", but she'd have crawled to Royal Ascot on her hands and knees with a baby strapped to her back. I think they were uninvited. I have even read MM wasn't supposed to be at TTC. And no HMTQ at PHs first child's christening? Yes, HMTQ did miss Louis' christening, she made it to those of the first two, and if she'd wanted to attend Archie's, they'd have scheduled a date when she'd be available.
Now! said…
Nope, we've all had trouble posting, including me. Have put up a new blog post in case that helps.
Now! said…
How would Harry fill his time in the US? He also doesn't have a lot of friends there - although perhaps that's what Meghan wants.
dunnoreally said…
All of the above points resonate for me, I don't disagree with any of them and indeed why shouldn't all run concurrently? But I wouldn't be surprised if the SoHo encounters in 2016/17 produced video evidence of habits that Harry would prefer to keep to himself, not so much Ms Markle as she seems to thrive on exposing her intimacies allegedly. This was made clear to PH at Invictus September 2017, after he'd spent most of that year dodging her after the KP Xmas 2016 dump mentioned above. Certain Twits and Tumblers have mentioned exposure 'soon'. I look forward, can't stand the woman, gives us all a bad name.
Anonymous said…
Oh, Unknown, you typed what I was thinking :)

Would someone really throw tea at an assistant (or at anyone else, for that matter)?
Anonymous said…
@Nutty: quite!
hardyboys said…
Chris rock has a tossed salad joke on one his HBO specials
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Anonymous said…
Hi @Unknown Trudy! I don’t know if those were rhetorical questions, or you wanted me to answer, and so …

If this were a logical situation, then what the public knows *would* have chased PH away. But that's not how this works. Once someone is hooked, logic is not driving the behavior.

Anyone who has ever been truly/madly/deeply in love knows that crazy OTT behavior, but in this case, you have that along with a deeply unhealthy dynamic, and MM played PH very well, filling all of those emotional blackholes and allowing him to save her and protect her, etc. everything I wrote above. The more the public and PHs family and friends tried to present facts, the more PH dug in emotionally to "protect" MM -- it was them against the world, and that's how MM would like to keep it.

This happens every day, just not on this scale. For ex, there are people who "meet" someone online, and "fall in love". The situations vary, but the types of emotional manipulations don't. The victim needs the attention of whatever sort and the grifter figures out the emotional holes that need filling during mostly email, later phone convos. It can take awhile, but "feelings" arise (the victim thinks this is love, the grifter just knows it is about time for the pity play). Victim & Grifter want to meet, they want to be together, they're soulmates, it's like nothing else (except it's all BS and the lines are very predictable), the fall-in-love drugs are gushing thru the victim's system. Then, and only then, can the grifter make the play.

The play is typically the Pity Play. The grifter "loves" the victim and feels so close that then the grifter "opens up" and shares: There's a problem, something reason they cannot be together *yet*, and the grifter wants to figure it out and will figure it out, as soon as the grifter can find... yes, you guessed it... the money. (And that's why you watch for pity, because pity is almost always in the play in these romantic/caretaking schemes.)

At this point, it gets real because the victim says "aha! I have money! I can fix your problem, grifter, and we can be together" and the victim is there with the money.
The money often happens in small increments at first, but later, gets bigger when the problem gets bigger. The stories get more outlandish, the stuff out of really bad novels (governments holding them, they're being watched, the ex-wife has a mobster boyfriend, etc., etc.), absurd stuff that it's hard to imagine people believe...

Anonymous said…
... As crazy as this sounds, it happens all the time. The way financial firms catch it is thru monitoring accounts for unusual transactions (esp repeated & unusual wire transfers) and contacting the account owner. Other times, a concerned party phones in to set off an alarm.

Once a possible problem has been spotted, contact is made with the victim by the firm. The victim explains that they're just helping their friend/loved one, etc. Conversation ensues. Inevitably, the victim will reveal that they've "never actually met in person..." but they are going to when the problem is solved. My favorite (not really) part of the whole insane thing is when the victim shares some bizarre situation and the financial person investigating asks how the victim knows this and the victim says "well, my soulmate told me!" like that's just the most logical, bulletproof thing ever. It's truly bizarre. And it's financial crime that happens every day.

So, that's why PH didn't listen to logic. Logic has left the building along with Elvis.

I know of more than one case where a spouse in their later years wanted a divorce because they met their soulmate and they had only emailed and talked on the phone but the soulmate had this problem and for them to be together.... yada yada.

PH and MM were a richer version of that, but it's all the same. Grifter sees emotionally-vulnerable-but-high-dollar target, figures out how to play them, makes the cash grab, eventually leaves with the cash. Ruins lives in the process. Nothing about this is logical, unfortunately.

IDK why the BRF is allowing this to happen, but I do know that a statement that it "will happen" is different than a statement that it has happened. Just like H&M are going to America, but just not until the Fall now. And MM couldn't go to Royal Ascot b/c maternity leave, and PH wasn't there because "meetings". I don't watch what they say, I watch what they do, and listen for the lies of omission, passive-voice and in-the-future statements, and the crab-walk statements. I also watch for patterns of three, and we have those here.

So IDK. Whole thing is screwy, but the anomalies are there. And it's a hellagood soap opera and the only starring role the megster will ever have unless the straight-to-DVD-by-way-of-Kensington-Palace yacht movies are released.
Nic said…
We have the Governor General who is the Queen's representative living in Rideau Hall (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) full-time. Tenures run four years at a time. When the royals visit, they stay with the GG. So technically we do have full-time "royal" representation. As such the GG, on behalf of the Queen, can dissolve our parliament. Many Canadians do not understand the level of power the Queen has over our "democracy". She appears a-political, but the fact of the matter is, she "rules".
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Anonymous said…
Well, thank you. I started typing and there it is.

Your response left me thinking. Another possibility that hasn't been considered here is money laundering. If the megster was yachting, she would have been an easy choice (no soul, willing to do anything for money). That would be one scandal that the BRF would fear because of Andy esp. I could see her being a part of money laundering - either carrying the loaded debit cards or through Soho House.

Oh, and I should add one correction to the above: odd wire transfers aren't the only way to monitor or uncover. It's just a common way because there are transaction alert systems employed.
wiezyczkowata said…
think how many times he must have seen the flesh of the camera his mum was pointing at him to take the perfect shot... he looks so scared
honestly when I read that she was pregnant my first thought went to the interview that Zara did about her miscarriages, and I thought - this is what Meghan will do: pretend to be pregnant then pretend to have a miscarriage in an ultimate bid for sympathy (as in "if this doesn't make people like me then I'm out of here") but then nothing happened and I thought - maybe she liked the attention too much and they decided to go with it a little bit longer, anyway I'm team pillow.
the thing with Meghan is I think her mind is way too much into a "celebrity" mindset - "there is no bad press", to the point where she probably thinks that the bad press will get her headlines for longer time, good press would keep her in press a short time, so for all we know she could have even been pregnant but she knew that is she makes it look like there is something off with the pregnancy people will talk about her,
this is why I think she doxxed all those blogers - because she knew they will triple their efforts to "uncover" her secrets, and create even more media attention for her,
I think she is either a sociopath or there is something seriously wrong with her mental health
and I can't believe that The Queen is letting them do whatever they (Meghan) wants, what happened with the grey men? doesn't she realize how bad all of this looks for the Royal Family and it's survival? or is she not being informed about many things?
Silli_emperors said…
Hope this doesn't come across as tin-hat, but the timing of the blatant coldness not just lack of warmth from "the family she never had" could be tied to the recent state visit. Mnuchin was part of "delegation" and way too many online posts mention MM Mnuchin alleged connection and SW dated Ratner, Mnuchin's Hollywood associate. Thought PH was peckish in defense of his wife at the time due to all the name-calling press. Rapid turn-around from that to TTC balcony interaction between husband & wife. Can't imagine his wife flicking her out of place merching gloves at his knee in public as if at an unruly child would improve their relationship. BRF ballet to insulate HM wondrous even without music but operas Tosca or Eugene Onegin could provide soundtrack. The Father's Day post is just so odd. Styled to be artistic but if you really look at it what you see is staged statement. Middle finger out prominently displaying band, and your newborn your joy is again hidden gripping not the finger closest which is normal but the prominent one. VanityFair pre-engagement article had "we have stories to tell" and the Father's Day post appears to be her open response to the TTC events.
Silli_emperors said…
Just also posted in another comment, imo the Father's Day post is MM response to the TTC shutout. Disguised as warm fuzzy PH w Archie similar to the VanityFair pre-engagement article with the quote "we have many stories to tell".
Scout said…
The two finger F**k Off sign is palm inwards. Palm outwards is V for Victory. Brits do it because historically we were known for archery. The French would capture English archers and cut those two fingers off. (The fingers draw back the bow.) So, before a battle the English would wave these two fingers at the French. (Or so I heard.)
Hikari said…
300th post and a Nutty record . . .!

I just really wanted this entry to make it to this magic number. :p

I read an online article this morning that suggests that Megs will have Archie's christening on July 4th possibly to coincide with Wimbledon . . .when current BFF Serena Williams will be in town for Wimbledon . . and also to pay tribute to Archie's 'American roots', doncha know.

I'm on pins and needles to see what the christening photos will look like, and of whom . . or what . . they will be comprised. I'd like to say I believe that 'Archie' is a real child, but who among us can tell? Meg has already trotted out images of two separate babies that are allegedly 'Archie'. Shall we lay bets on a third for this Christening Show?

I've also read that the Obamas are going to be godparents . . .Whatever Meg is smoking these days, that's some good stuff.
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