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Open post: What are your expectations for the Sussexes' Africa Trip?

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex fly to South Africa tomorrow to begin a 10-day tour of the continent.

They'll be taking along coloring books and markers for the local children (markers that were probably made in China and imported to the UK).

However, there are no play dates planned with local kids and the Sussexes' own rarely-seen son Archificial.

(Prince George famously enjoyed a play date with the locals when his parents toured Australia, although he was a bit older than Archificial at the time.)

Archie comes first 

As they so often do, the Sussexes are putting Archificial's needs first when it comes to planning.

"Although the Duke will attend several receptions at British High Commissions to celebrate the UK's ties with the countries he is visiting, with the Duchess joining him in South Africa, there are few evening events in a programme designed in part to take into account the needs of Archie," the Telegraph reported today

"The decision will mean that royal-watchers will not see the Duchess in a tiara or other major pieces of jewellery borrowed from the Queen," the Telegraph adds. 


Community focus

Instead, the Telegraph reports, the Sussexes will "roll up their sleeves and do work in the community."

What might this work be, and do the local communities really want the Sussexes' opinion on their problems or their participation in solving those problems?


What do you expect will happen during the Sussexes' tour of Africa?

Comments

I’m not looking forward to the next 10 days with the press coverage. Perhaps I should delete my news apps and keep offline! šŸ¤­

Will little Archie be swathed in bubble wrap for his own protection? So, in polite speak Murky is banned from borrowing from the royal jewellery box? Can someone please have some duck tape at the ready to stop Murky from speaking and lecturing? She has no place here to lecture, especially given the tensions in the region already. I can’t see what she’d have to say would in any way ease those in any serious way.šŸ™„

I think they should plant some tress, lots and lots, they are great for offsetting the (Sussex’s) carbon footprint, besides no half decent royal would pass on the privilege of leaving their mark for future generations to gawp at. Murky will be wearing her usual ill fitting designer potato sacks, throughout her tax payer funded holiday. I’m sure there be more nauseating displays of PDA from the Sussex’s too. šŸ˜¬
Amzz Naylor said…
She has been warned by the South African community not to preach her woke political view there as it will not be welcome. Be Interesting to see if she heeds their warning. I think she will at least try to impart her deep woke wisdom on the masses šŸ™„šŸ˜‘.

As for Archie. He won't be seen apart from maybe getting on and off the plane similar to France. Squished against her chest for fear that the plebby public might see his face. Lots of crinkled clothes and the markle claw forever grabbing at its victim will be on show at every opportunity. So yeah same old just with a touch of spice.

Think I will try and avoid coverage I am sick of her over botoxed face at this point.
Bum, typos...again(!!), just so you know I know! šŸ™„

Nelo said…
At this stage, SA has terrible press after the xenophobic attacks on Nigerians and other African countries. Many Africans are boycotting SOuth African companies because of the crisis, what I don't know is how other Africans will feel knowing that despite the attacks, the Royal Family didn't see anything wrong in sending representatives on a tour there.
I want good things from this tour. Not for their sake, but for South Africa. It's a beautiful country and I have many fond memories of the place, and the country and it's people don't deserve to made a pawn in their stupid game of one-upmanship. Sadly though, I feel this is just a game to them. Certainly to Meghan, who doesn't understand what her royal role and status entails. She doesn't even think of herself as British.

I do feel though that this tour could change the narrative for them, the Sussexes that is. Their antics and motives are predictable by now, so anything they do isn't shocking any more, just irritating, idiotic and improper.
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media is also getting wiser. Not because they a moral obligation but simply because the tidal wave of public outrage that is against the couple, so the media will cover and reveal whatever sells.

It also helps that they won't have to make stuff up, the Sussexes keep doing outrageous things. The baby debacle though does make me cringe however, and I just can't wrap.my head around it. They will keep using the baby card for their own benefit, the diana card doesn't work anymore. So I'm definitely expecting to see and hear more about their precious babe. Also expected is more dish from royal insiders and quotes from the queen. That is what I am waiting and hoping for.
Ava C said…
Thank you for the new thread Nutty. My expectations are more of the same, as repeating past mistakes is her way. More baby-clutching to near-suffocation point, making the nation put its hands out involuntarily to rescue the poor thing, in case it's real. More ill-fitting, outrageously expensive clothes that bring no pleasure to those who paid for them (at least Kate always looks pretty and we need that at the moment). I assume South Africans are paying? Or is it the Foreign Office, i.e. us in the UK? I think it's the Foreign Office as I remember tales of them groaning in Diana's day at her extravagance. But at least she was the Princess of Wales.

It's straight out of Robin Hood. H&M are the new King John and Sheriff of Nottingham and we're the peasants groaning under the weight of repeated taxation for their pleasures. Wills can be Good King Richard, a hope for the distant future but powerless at the moment.

I agree with Louise and Amzz as I'm thinking of going off-line for a while. I noticed a number of new but typically pot-stirring DM articles on H&M in Rome remained with no comments for hours. Either they were accepting sugars only but didn't have any, or people are switching off in readiness for the tour. Feels like everyone's had enough. Maybe mass indifference will work. We seem to have tried everything else.
Nelo said…
There won't be negative press because they ensured that lots of US reporters will come with them so that the British media will have no choice than to report only nice things. Don't expect the US press report any negative thing about Meghan especially.
However, I noticed that the SA president, Ramaphosa won't be on ground to welcome them( he's likely to be in US for the UNGA). They won't have state dinners like they had during their Australian tour. Some internet users are speculating that it's the BRF trying to cut off oxygen from them. When the trip was first reported, the narrative was that they were in such hot demand that the SA government specially requested that they come. Later we heard it's the foreign office that's wants them to go. Now it's been revealed that they won't be received by the SA president or any government representative. I don't know if o should believe the theory that the BRF is trying to whittle down such oppourtunities to meet world leaders or if it's just a coincidence. I don't see anyone in the BRF having the balls to stand up to Meghan and Harry. The only way I can believe they are being cut down to size is if during Will and Kates Pakistan tour, they are welcomed by the PM and hosted to state dinners.
I'm with you, I'm thinking of clocking out for a while as well. There will be a lot syrupy sychophantic articles from the.likes of Elle, People, GoodHouskeeping, Bazaar, DM etc. And there will be so much bullshit going on... Just imagine 10 whole days with both H and M out there doing there best to outPR themselves. I just can't.

I'm just glad I'll to enjoying the rains and grey clouds, dreaming of Christmas and worrying about normal everyday British problems before MM descended upon us... You know regular problems like why the tube is always so crowded, why white bread so cheap but such a sin to eat, how amazing it it's that the all the mean girls from my uni are now the irritating mum's who keep posting photos of their babies online etc etc.
@Nelo, The Foreign Office specify where the royal’s visit, including The Queen. It’s standard procedure and nothing more. However, given the dangerous situation in SA at the moment, I’m surprised the tour wasn’t cancelled. The Cambridge’s tour is even considered as dangerous, and I read yesterday it could be cancelled.
Liver Bird said…
I had thought the fact that they won't be officially welcomed on arrival was odd, but having done a bit of reading, it seems that only happens when a direct heir arrives, so it's actually not that strange. There was no official greeting when they arrived in Australia either.

That said, the whole 'tour' seems just very odd. Why is Meghan even going? Most of her 'appearances' seem kind of tacked on, and there will be several days when Harry is in Botswana and other countries, when she has no engagements at all. Sure, we're told she'll be having 'private' meetings, but if this is an offficial tour paid for by the FCO, surely the whole point is that their engagements are public?

And taking 4 month old Archie - who we are told is too precious to fly on scheduled BA services in first class - to a country in the grip of xenophobic violence? And supposedly nobody will even get to see the golden child? Bizarre.
abbyh said…
I expect (as do others) ill fitting, wrong colors and generally inappropriate clothing no matter the setting for MM (and nothing we've seen before). I'm not sure how much of the wrinkled grey suit we will see or if we will see his other suits.

I will think of the grand gesture of crayons and coloring books as going in the same direction as giving banana bread on the other tour. And here's to hoping that the kids are age appropriate for this. Side note: She doesn't always seem to wind up with kids who want to engage with her on walkabouts.

It's all coming down to Archie and what his needs are ... I am in team doll and can imagine Lord G snickering as planning no formal receptions so the doll can be tended to with her loving hands (you want this, you'll get it in spades).

I have not been to SA. As a kid, we did go to Uganda and Kenya (pre Idi Amin, Obote's first rule). I remember the teas, the silverware for the meals, the animals and how beautiful the countries were. It is interesting to see how each former colony has evolved over time. In some ways, I am still shocked it has not been cancelled.

sigh. watching a train wreck in slow motion
Mom Mobile said…
@Alice, "...and the country and it's people don't deserve to made a pawn in their stupid game of one-upmanship."

Yes! I agree.
Mom Mobile said…
Same behavior, different location. That's what I predict.

As for going on a media diet, I think it's time I quit full turkey. My personal philosophy has been slowly evolving towards the conclusion that I need to create a life for myself that I find more interesting than the manipulated narrative we are being fed by the media.

Nutty Blog being an exception of course. ;)
cutmasterC said…
Louise, I agree about the jewelry. I don't think HM wants MM to be anywhere near the royal jewels. She would probably abscond with them or claim to lose them all while having them hidden away somewhere to pad her divorce nest egg. I don't know how she would be able to sell them as they would be recognized by any decent jeweler, but we all know MM doesn't think that far ahead!
cutmasterC said…
She won't listen because her narcissism won't let her. I hope she crashee and burns.
Lady Boo said…
Funny you should bring up the tiaras, I was just musing this question a couple of minutes ago wondering what the excuse would be this time for lack of tiaras. If you remember last time it was because Prince Charles thought it inappropriate and too showy in a country with many poor people. I have to admit this is an original excuse as I'm guessing they couldn't really use the same one two tours running
Girl with a Hat said…
the comments on SA news sites are pretty nasty. Firstly, they don't like the BRF and secondly, they don't think now is a good time for a visit.

I wonder how people will react to her mixed race background.
Girl with a Hat said…
the DM don't post comments when they are overwhelmingly negative and they don't have anyone to check them.

Girl with a Hat said…
I expect the tour to be cancelled at some point, or their appearances curtailed.

I just remember seeing a recent video of a Nigerian taxi driver dragged out of his car and set on fire, burning to death while everyone watched and no one made any movement to help him.

That's what it happening in SA.
Humor Me said…
It is pretty bad when the DM on Sunday morning has four (count them - 4) articles on MM, and her name is dropped in the lead at least twice. The tour is about Harry as the rep, with Meghan along for the ride, tending Archie, as "his needs come first" as to why we, the waiting public" will not see them. The tiara business is straight from Charles, who surprisingly knows the situation - this is not a tiara moment. It would be in horribly bad taste given the tense climate for MM to appear "crowned" so to speak.
Lady Boo said…
What I don't understand is how Sophie Wessex doing a fine job in Kenya last week went practically unreported, or at least I didn't see it, where as you just know that every step taken by the Sussexes is going to be endlessly photographed and written about. You just have to see the size of the press corps when their plane got cancelled to know this. Indifference is the only way this will change
Lady Boo said…
I don't read the guff in the national press any more, I only recently found nutty which is fun, I also enjoy Crowns of Britain and Harry Markle which is on Wordpress.
Lady Boo said…
Or the poor pregnant woman who was knifed to death and husband who survived. It's just so tragic
Girl with a Hat said…
she isn't ever going to wear any of the jewels from the Queen's collection. She might rent some other jewels or buy them, but neither the Queen nor Prince Charles will ever allow her to wear so much as a brooch ever.
SwampWoman said…
The problem with that, cutmasterC, is that I fear other innocents will be burned along with her.

/Literally.
Girl with a Hat said…
there won't be an explanation. Never complain, never explain.
bootsy said…
Considering Harry won't be doing much and there will be a lack of official duties is this basically a holiday with a few hand shaking activities? Which means that we suckers are paying for it as they can claim it's an official tour even though they're not doing much.
cutmasterC said…
SwampWoman, you make a valid point and I apologize if my comment came off as insensitive towards the situation in S. Africa. I hope I'm wrong and no one suffers because of MM inability to heed any advice.
SwampWoman said…
Mischi, I just pray that SOMEBODY that she will listens to will explain to her that the WOC schtick will not work there. Sadly, I am afraid that whatever briefings that she will have been given about tribal, er, 'rivalries' will be quickly overshadowed by her California education in the platitudes of equality and love.
HappyDays said…
Little POC kids getting crayons snd coloring books from Meghan will be nothing more than a photo op to attempt to prop up Meghan’s crumbling public image. I wonder if she’ll have the total disregard for optics to wear designer outfits worth thousands of dollars to visit poor people.

As for no royal jewels, she’s had Harry’s royal jewels in a tight grip since their third date in Botswana. Likely the RF has realized this by now, so she doesn’t need to get her hands on any other royal jewels - ever.

What interests me is how much she’ll remind everyone she meets that she is biracial as she gets puzzled “but aren’t you a white person” looks from the locals.

Will be curious to see if the SA photos will be the same striking contrast as the photo of her with the group of local children when she was on a one-off trip to Africa to burnish her humanitarian credentials when she was stalking Harry. Maybe she’ll wear extra bronzer.
abbyh said…
Same excuse only with the added tag about very attached to the "inappropriate".
SwampWoman said…
Interesting question, Lady Boo. I wonder whether the surfeit of press attention (at least the press that was reported to be going) is because the media expects this to be a trainwreck as well? Sadly, quiet competence does not appear to get any attention in the press.
Nutty Flavor said…
I see that William was photographed visiting the Queen at Balmoral today. Just the two of them, in the car on the way to church.

I wonder what message that is supposed to send.
Girl with a Hat said…
I think it's the BRF's secret plan to have a bull elephant charge at their safari car and have a state funeral for H&M, so they can raise little Archie away from his monster of a mother. **** this is all a joke. Yes, I do have a macabre sense of humour. We can all agree on that. ****
Nutty Flavor said…
I wonder if they sincerely believe she will not return the jewelry once she gets her hands on it.
Girl with a Hat said…
and everyone was dressed so appropriately for members of the BRF going to church. I often wondered wtf Meghan would wear if she were ever invited? Sequins? A Chanel suit?
Nutty Flavor said…
I think she is going as a compensation for not going someplace else.

I also think she has insisted that the trip feature South Africa - as opposed to a peaceful countries like Botswana - because there is an opportunity to make money on the side there, perhaps with speeches to corporations or private clubs.

Also, South Africa still has a lot of Mandela magic when it comes to the US media, which haven’t reported much on the chaos there.
Girl with a Hat said…
I think that they want to punish her, first of all. Secondly, I think that they've seen her materialism and that is off putting. They just know that they don't want to feed her grasping greed. They've seen her entitledness and nastiness wrt other royals, not to mention the staff.

In German, flowers that you buy for your husband/wife after a fight are called Drachenfutter - food to appease the dragon.

The BRF don't want the Queen's jewellery collection to become food for the dragon. LOL
Girl with a Hat said…
does she even realise how condescending that is? They could fund a school for a year for the cost of one of her frocks.
Girl with a Hat said…
I think that Oprah may have had a hand in this then.

The clips of the both of them in SA will play well with Oprah's audience because she often talks about SA on her programs.
Nutty Flavor said…
In the US media, South Africa is still seen as the noble country that beat apartheid.

The fact that it is currently violent and corrupt doesn’t fit that narrative and isn’t reported.

I think the US media is planning a “Black American Princess, Grace Kelly Part 2, visits Nelson Mandela’s homeland” angle.

Speaking of which, are they doing some kind of Mandela homage on the trip? Seems like a natural fit, particularly for Meg, with her love for all things 1990s.
Nutty Flavor said…
Yes, Oprah has a school there, doesn’t she? I believe the school had some scandals.

Not sure who Oprah’s audience is these days. Her magazine, which I once enjoyed, is now super-woke and basically unreadable. Very thin too, few advertisers.
HappyDays said…
Archie won’t be seen. The baby at the polo match was incredibly big for his alleged age. If they use the same baby, he’ll be the first child to be walking and talking in complete sentences at five months.







Nutty Flavor said…
I’ve been to a South Africa. It’s a lovely country, both in terms of its landscape and its people. But also highly dramatic.
hardyboys said…
Nutty remember that expression possession is 9 tenths the law? That's the truth. Once MM gets her bronzer paws on any jewellery she is not going to return it. The royal pistons would have to sneak in her room or break in her safe to get it. You would have to physically mangle it off her to call it theirs. Much like the British Raj did to the Indian jewels. They took it for themselves and mosied on back to Britain and gave it to Victoria the self titled Empress.
Louise said…
I also noted that Charles and Camilla were there, as well. (should there be a comma between there and as?)

Perhaps it was a meeting to strategize about Mrs Common and Mr Wealth.
Nutty Flavor said…
According to media reports, both Harry and Meg will be reading speeches they wrote themselves.

In other words, two speeches Meg wrote.

I hope the Foreign Office has reviewed the speeches in advance.
Nutty Flavor said…
Could be! Perhaps they “loaned” her some of Diana’s minor jewels and she insisted they were a gift.
Nutty Flavor said…
Well, it’s about time the three regents/future regents got together to discuss that. I suppose George had football practice or a ballet class he couldn’t miss.

Seriously, though, they need a Sussex strategy and they need a Brexit strategy, and they need them both, like, yesterday.
hardyboys said…
She isnt giving it back why would she? I just saw the pics of william to going to church with his grandmother. I think it's a demonstration of allegiance and to remind that they are head of church. It always makes me smirk a bit the way they always have over happy expressions on their face. I would imagine it would be boring AF but they always look so happy to be with Gan Gan and Ma-ma! Btw crown is starting in November. Such a great show
It’s almost as though she’s seen as superfluous to needs, with few or no official dinners etc , no loaned jewels. šŸ¤”

Archie must be seen as one greedy and needy baby then! Funny, when George who was around 9 months old when they toured Oz and New Zealand, Catherine was equally attending functions etc., with William. We also got to see baby George! šŸ¤—

Yes, Charles was the one who spoke about the inappropriate tiara wearing during the Sussex’s last official visit. It remains to be seen what role Murky will play during this visit. Let’s hope it’s a minor one.

I shall be coming here to catch up on Nutty news...my media reading with be curtailed. I don’t read the articles about her or The Sussex’s now, I just can’t stomach either of them. A truly nauseating twosome. šŸ˜
Nutty Flavor said…
Walking and talking? At the rate he’s growing he’ll be big enough to drive the limo.
Girl with a Hat said…
Oprah has/had a school there. The idea of a school was good but the implementation was a typical Oprah project. Only the finest marble, bed sheets, etc for the girls! Really! you're going to spend money on luxury items for poor girls who were lucky to have indoor plumbing? And what is that going to teach them? Why not spend the money on making a bigger school so that more girls could be taught there?

When I speak of a certain group in society that adores Meghan Markle, I am referring to the people who think that Oprah's priorities in building that school were normal.
Nelo said…
I'm shocked at the large number of reporters who are travelling to SA to cover H and M. The pics at the British Airways really surprised me. Which other royal has such huge media interest?
CookieShark said…
Is it MM feeding the lines about "You won't see her in a tiara" to news outlets? It seems like the same "Doing the cover of Vogue is boastful" and the "She doesn't want to appear on the steps of the hospital all primped" commentary. Does the media come up with these on their own? Genuinely asking. Otherwise I don't understand why her PR lets her communicate in this way; it sounds so hostile; or, as others have suggested upthread, she is trying to control the narrative. Strange how now Archie's needs dictate everything. He didn't prevent her from flying later in the pregnancy for the baby shower; he hasn't kept her from working on Vogue or Smart Works (or Harry's Travalyst, still not sure what that is) and he didn't keep her home from the tennis match or the pair home from flying to Rome.
Sam M said…
Perhaps the Ghillies Ball was this weekend? William has been attending in recent years.
CookieShark said…
Why is MM authorized to speak on gender violence to anyone? What are her credentials?
Nutty Flavor said…
Could be, but he could have attended a ball without being photographed with the Queen.

HMQ was sending a message. She very carefully chooses whom she is photographed with.
NeutralObserver said…
Hope they don't do any damage to UK foreign relations in this trip. Supposedly, she was found pretty offensive on their trip to Morocco. Inappropriate dress, ignoring the Crown Prince, refusing proffered dates, walking in front of Harry, wearing ballgowns to daytime cocktail receptions, the list goes on. I've read that some reporter blurted, 'She's repugnant!' at a press call. One thing you have to say about Prince Charles, he doesn't F**k up when he's abroad. He pretty much has the tactful & diplomatic thing down pat. It's not like she's Prince Philip, & can get away with seeming like an upper class twit, & at least Phillip is funny. Like others here, I'll probably limit myself to reading Nutty for this escapade. The British tabloids do throw a lot of subtle shade at the Sussexes, but sometimes you just want to quickly cut to the down & dirty, & posters here know the score.
CookieShark said…
It seems arrogant, and almost reckless, to receive multiple warnings and advisories not to intrude and to go ahead anyway. Why the need to go right now? Why put Archie in danger?
JL said…
Remember Oprah’s first trip to Africa? What a self-admitted mess. She brought a bunch of toys only to discover, for example, that the girls wanted pencils for school not dolls. Thus the school. I expect Markle to step in it just as spectacularly.
Girl with a Hat said…
I remember there was an issue about the skin colour of the dolls. I don't remember the details.
CookieShark said…
Since they're already making the trip, why not provide resources that are actually useful, not cheap like coloring books and crayons? I don't know what the medical needs are for the region where they're traveling, but why not set up some type of urgent care/free clinic for several days? Or rapid testing for STDs? Or expand her Smart Works run and have clothing available for free? Since they insist on making this trip, I can think of so many things that would be more useful than handing over a coloring book.
Liver Bird said…
Can anyone who's familiar with such matters say if they're aware of a royal tour which 'splits' half-way though, with one spouse doing public events in country B, while the other stays behind in country A to do 'private' events? I can't say I've ever heard of such a thing, but I don't follow royal tours closely.

I also think Meghan chose not to travel with Harry because she prefers to stay in relatively prosperous Cape Town. Yes, I get not wanting to bring a baby into places which might not have great facilities, but that again begs the question as to why this tour was planned for this time, and even if it was, why Meghan felt the need to go at all? It's Harry who is known for his connection - such as it is - with Africa, so there was really no need for her to be there at all.
Now! said…
Because beautiful African children gathering around Meg and Harry to get coloring books makes for a pretty photo op.

A bunch of desperately sick people at a clinic, not so much.

An STD clinic where angry truck drivers and sad-looking sex workers show up to get tested, not at all.
HappyDays said…
Hi Mischi, I love your thoughtful and well-stated comments. This entire blog is populated by many excellent writers.

As for Meghan realizing how condescending she is, there’s no chance. Narcissists never think they’re wrong. They feel entitled to the best of everything regardless of their bad behavior or how it negatively affects others.

At her core, Meghan doesn’t give a rip what the public thinks until she feels that what in her mind is unjustified outrage that might threaten her future. Hence, the hiring of Sunshine Sachs.

This lack of caring, empathy or similar emotions/character traits goes for anyone she is allegedly close to, including Doria, Harry, and yes, even Archie. They are all useful objects that can be jettisoned at the moment they are no longer useful or they become a liability to Brand Markle, which is temporarily hiding behind the Brand Sussex Royal moniker until she loses her title, is divorced, or with any luck, both.

HappyDays said…
Perhaps it is meant to send a message that HM and William are allies and reinforce HM’s confidence in William and his family as the future of the monarchy while subtly tweaking the noses of H&M as they head out to represent HM and the nation abroad. Not that hard of a tweak to Meghan's nose, mind you. It might fall off.
NeutralObserver said…
You're absolutely right, Nutty. Any criticism of SA in the US is very muted, as it was our martyred pet for so many years in the 80s & 90s, demonstrations on college campuses, boycotts, etc. Oprah's school did have scandals. I actually think Oprah's influence has waned quite a bit, coinciding with the general decline of all network & cable programming. She's made her move to Apple tv, which has very deep pockets, but she's pretty passe. As someone pointed out on Skippy, she's always giving advice on marriage, raising children & weight loss, & she's never done any of those things herself. It'll be interesting to see what Apple can make of its foray into producing content, especially as the streaming wars heat up. Comments in the WSJ on an article about all of the new services were pretty fed up with rising costs & more dreck content, & the WSJ reader is more upmarket & tech-savvy than average, so more likely to be early adapters & trend setters. Entertainment is like everything else these days, in a state of turmoil.
HappyDays said…
The media knows that with these two, especially after the 2018 fall tour and the ensuing year since then, there is a distinct possibility of a train wreck of some sort, either in public or behind the scenes. They just want to be there to witness it and report it.
Girl with a Hat said…
Thank you Happy, but I am not a good writer. I compare myself to the people here and find myself falling short. They do serve as an inspiration to improve though, don't they? Luckily, I don't have to depend on my literary skills to earn a living.

I am hoping for a more ignominious end to her public life. A really juicy scandal, like being caught in flagrante dilecto with one of her ex yaching customers or future billionaire husband candidate.
Lurking said…
To be fair, Archie is a bit young for play dates.

Was there any coverage of how Smeg & her +1 got to Rome for the wedding? Was this necessary travel?
I think they are trying to paint a 'we are a family now, we are a team' narrative. And Meghan, being the diehard hanger on that she is, would never ever let Harry do a tour without her. She wants to make it known that they are in this together, and it's a way to control and claim ownership of him and his royal status. It's also why they are bringing Archie along and why they make sure to mention him everytime they refer to this tour.

If i recall correctly, Africa was first me tioned as the place where the BRF was planning to "banish" them, it was said William is so fed up that there are secret plans to send them there for an extended period of time blah blah... And then a few months later, one dine day out of the blue, this tour was announced. The announcement for this came way in advance, while makes me think they wanted it to be known. And they have been deacyit as their first tour as a family ever since. Like I said before - Archie card being used to offset the negative connotations.
HappyDays said…
Meghan might have forced her way into this trip to not miss press coverage and to lecture, even in private, others.

She may also want to keep an eye on Harry. When people join a cult, the cult leader does not usually allow the cult member to leave to go off on a trip alone.

Relationships with a person who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder are a lot like being in a cult. They both use love bombing to lure you in, they isolate you from your former life as much as possible while breaking you emotionally under strict control. Harry is in a cult. It is a cult of two.

Girl with a Hat said…
It was necessary for Meghantoinette because Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice were invited so she needed to try to upstage them again.

It's rumoured that Beatrice introduced Misha Nonoo to her new husband, or at least played a major role in them meeting. It's funny how the fact that Beatrice was a maid of honour at the wedding and not a single photo of her in her dress was shown in the media. It's no wonder that Meghan thinks she is special - blood princesses don't get any attention, while a plane load full of reporters follow her to SA.
Lurking said…
Re tiaras: Could have something to do with where the stones may have been mined? The dangerous conditions of the mines and what the proceeds were used for (wars, genocide, etc.)
Lurking said…
@CookieShark: she's a woke female.
@CookieShark, I read it was Prince Charles who said about the tiara and others have read the same. Do I think it’s part of Murky’s PR narrative? No. She loves to flash the jewels, any chance she can, she does, so I don’t believe it’s part of her narrative. She’s not worn any serious jewels since she’s been married or been bestowed any royal orders from the Queen, unlike both Camilla and Catherine have.
Lurking said…
"Certainly to Meghan, who doesn't understand what her royal role and status entails."

I have to wonder whether Harry understands his royal role. When it comes right down to it, he is to blame. If there is anyone who can real her in, it would be Harry. Since he does not, and has enthusiastically jumped on the woke brand building bandwagon, he bears the responsibility.
Lurking said…
That circle of friends... weird 6 degrees of separation. Heir to oil fortune (husband), Ivanka Trump, royals. I so wanted to be a fly on the wall to observe any interaction between Smeg and Ivanka.
Who can forget the uneaten cakes she gave to the poor under privileged children in NZ? I think that’s where it was. Oh so very patronising.
Lurking said…
That was supposed to be a reply to Mischi above re: Beatrice.
Girl with a Hat said…
Remember the furor about the white celebrities acting like saviours to African children in the UK press?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-aid-whitesaviour-idUSKCN1QI4YJ
@Nelo, the Sussex’s are infamous, the press know they aren’t liked by an awful lot of the Brits etc., as HappyDays state. They want to be there and report all the shenanigans. I hardly doubt they will report in the exact same capacity as with the Cambridge’s, Charles and Camilla, etc.
Girl with a Hat said…
LOL. I think Beatrice and Eugenie have certainly kept silent about any bad feelings they might have regarding Meghan.
@Nuttyi thought exactly the same. šŸ¤“
Ilona said…
Love your answer, Nuty!!
I’m in agreement with Alice and HappyDays with Murky forcing an invite. Catherine has always been seen as an equal participant in foreign tours, and not separated off from William, very odd.
Anonymous said…
Here is a list of the vaccines they'll have to give Starchie to go to Malawi, Angola and Botswana, which have been confirmed destinations by the couple unless they've changed their minds and will leave Meghan in SA with it (where caucasians are being murdered in their sleep for being white):

Yellow fever
Hepatitis A
Polio and Tetanus
Typhoid
TB

The CDC and WHO recommend the following vaccinations for South Africa: hepatitis A, hepatitis B, typhoid, yellow fever, rabies, meningitis, polio, measles, mumps and rubella (MMR), Tdap (tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis), chickenpox, shingles, pneumonia and influenza. Just want to add a big LOL because this pretty much proves they don't have a baby, because no parent, no matter how liberal, would do that to their 4.5 month old son.
Lurking said…
True, they have behaved with grace and dignity. Never complain, never explain. This is the hardest rule for Smeg to learn. She wants too much to be out there, sharing every thought, influencing, preaching.
Anonymous said…
What are royal orders? I could google this, but I'm here and IDK, so...
Ilona said…
@ HappyDays "Harry is in a cult. It is a cult of two." How sad but there is a lot of truth in this comment.
CookieShark said…
Mischi, this is exactly why I find it bizarre that this trip is going forward, given the unrest in the region and the citizens' reactions. Surely H&M are aware of the "savior" complex and don't want to emulate that? How do coloring books help? I really hope advisors are able to talk MM out of the gender violence speech.

It is worth noting that all of her endeavors feature her, front and center. Of course she is going to be giving a speech. They could just donate $$$ from their charity for victims of violence, or volunteer in a women's shelter, etc.

I always wondered why we never heard about her doing more for Mayhew animal rescue, and to be fair, maybe she has, but at the time it seemed like they didn't give her the complete and utter limelight that she by all accounts appears to crave.
Anonymous said…
"...two speeches Meg wrote."... or Harry *will* write his own and that's why they need the crayons.
Lurking said…
I just hope they fully vaccinate their children. I just received a notice from my sons' school that someone exposed everyone at the school to pertussis (whooping cough) last week.
Ilona said…
@ ladyskipper102 Fully agree with you re vaccines and baby A.
Nelo said…
Louis 500, the US press LOVE Harry and Meghan that's why you hardly read any negative story about them there unless it's stories mocking the British media for their 'racism'. Also there seem to be more US reporters than British Reporters on this tour. Richard Palmer of the Daily Express once observed on his Twitter handle that there seemed to be a cordinated attempt by the US media to discredit the British media during the private jet storm.
Most of the US reporters were questioning why the British media wasn't reporting on Prince Andrew and the narrative was that there was a deliberate attempt to throw Meghan and Harry under the bus to protect Andrew.
Victoria Arbiter also said something similar, that in the US, there is a feeling that the palace wasn't protecting Meghan enough. So I don't agree 100 percent that the US media doesn't like her.
Nelo said…
Alice Surrey James, after the banishment story was published in the Times, Harry and Meghan clapped back so terribly at Will and Kate through scoobie at Harper's Bazaar. The report in HB was so obvious and disrespectful that even a toddler knew it was meant for Will.
The times also indicated in their report that William met with top editors and ensured that the Thomas and Samantha Markle stories kept pouring out. The times report also stated that when William became afraid that he was being overshadowed by Harry,that his advisors had had to assure him that he shouldnt worry because he would be king some day. That report was so damaging to William and painted him as the one behind the leaks against Harry and Megan. It was so painful to read
Bacon Barkle said…
I doubt Archificial is even old enough for all those vaccines. Do any of you medical types know the vaccine minimum ages in the UK? I think you have to be 12mos old for Hep A.
hardyboys said…
I loved it too. Your so right pretty crayons from dollarama so much easier than getting hot swatting flies. She is not about to get on her hands on knees that's what people with real money do like madonna and oprah
Anonymous said…
"Little POC kids getting crayons and coloring books from Meghan will be nothing more than a photo op to attempt to prop up Meghan’s crumbling public image."

-- I see how this photo op can go very, very wrong. Condescension is top of a long list of offensiveness re this. I know how much I love it when someone condescends to bestow upon me without knowing what I need or who I am and/or lecture and enlighten me without knowing anything about me, so take that and multiply it times ~80% of the population, and there you go. I do not see a happy ending on this one and I honestly wonder WTF the BRF is thinking with this at this time.


@Ladyskipper102 -- "Just want to add a big LOL because this pretty much proves they don't have a baby, because no parent, no matter how liberal, would do that to their 4.5 month old son."

-- I'm not sure what liberal has to do with this? From a recent ABC News article: "Peter Hotez, a vaccine advocate and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said that "we need a lot more social science" data about the specific characteristics of those who opt against vaccinations, but he agreed that "they tend to be affluent and educated." And this is from a study by Pew Research "Republicans and independents are more likely than Democrats to advocate against required vaccinations." So interesting, just sayin'.

As for liberal v. conservative, although it seems a lot of the Nutties are quite conservative, I just prefer to skip it entirely. Even when it's not discussed directly, the indirect remarks make it quite clear. It really ruins the fun and levity IMO. I try to skip over, but sometimes I'm reading an otherwise intelligent reply and come up against the strong statement that can't be missed or misinterpreted and it feels like icky twitter redux.

Re William w/HMTQ this a.m., that was definitely a signal of something. Not sure what, however, but I'd like to think that 1) it was a show of strong support of the Cambridges from TQ; 2) there is talk and strategy behind the scenes about handling the current debacles and William is valued and included in those talks; and 3) the transition is coming soon to a monarchy dear to our hearts.

And just lolololhellno on letting Princess Sparkly Skank wear the jewelry for so very many reasons, the first of which IMO would be "theft in a dangerous country" by none-other-than.
hardyboys said…
How can she take a fake baby to SA? I agree with the poster about all those vaccines when we used to go to india we would be vaccinated to the hilt but we were 13 and 14. We had many side effects including fevers. U get dysentery etc.. I actually think the BRF is not discouraging then from going to a place of violence as it's a side way of putting them in harm's way. I know it's a stretch and I'm not a conspiracist but I dont see anyone stopping them and saying no wait its dangerous out there...I would never let my relatives go there now gotta wonder why there is such a big sendoff
Ava C said…
Hi Elle - Wiki definition of royal orders:

"A royal family order is a decoration conferred by the head of a royal family to their female relations. Such an order is considered more of a personal memento than a state decoration, although it may be worn during official state occasions."

In the old days on Kate Middleton Review, Kate's lack of a royal order was conspicuous for years. Then she got the Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II in December 2017 and the Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO) in April this year. Extract below from The Telegraph show you need to be married for quite a long time before you get an honour - includes Sophie and Camilla as examples. So it's not a big deal for Meghan to have no royal orders at the moment.

"The queen appointed Kate Middleton a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (GCVO), the highest rank in a form of chivalry personally granted by the sovereign to recognize one's service.

"The Duchess has been awarded the new honour - Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order - for "services to the Sovereign", announced by Buckingham Palace as she celebrated her eighth wedding anniversary with the Duke today.

"It will be seen by admirers of the Royal Family as the ultimate seal of approval for the Duchess, as the Cambridges aim to increase their work in support of the Queen in preparation for the future.

"She join the Duchess of Cornwall, who received the honour on her seventh wedding anniversary in 2012, and Countess of Wessex, who received it after a decade of marriage in 2010, in the ranks of GCVO."
Ava C said…
I would love Harry to just pull her back determinedly when she walks in front of him to meet someone formally at a reception and talks over him. Just get hold of her skirt (any more ballgowns in the daytime?) He'd be a hero overnight, across the world.
Anonymous said…
Thanks! I guess I could've just gone to Wiki, but I was trying to avoid the random search. I guess I should've thought about this *after* coffee lol. Still, I think that the outing today with William was meaningful and a signal, I just don't know what the meaning or signal.
Girl with a Hat said…
there are some vaccines you get before 12 months but there is a schedule because the immune system of a human develops at a set pace. You cannot just give them a whole bunch of vaccines. Even for an adult, it is spaced apart.

Girl with a Hat said…
Elle, please don't drag politics. Many of us are much more liberal than you can imagine and live in countries where social policies would be called "communist" in yours.
Anonymous said…
I am surprised by the timing of this and BRF not slowing it down (or stopping it completely). I don't buy into anything re Fauxrchie other than surrogate and the other conspiracies discussed have no play with me, but this trip at this time for this much money for no apparent reason seems foolhardy. IDGI.
CookieShark said…
@ Bacon & Mischi, correct. Additionally, several of these vaccines (at least in the States) are given in boosters, so it takes several visits to get the full vaccine. A 4.5 month old in the US would have some of these but not all of them and not the complete dose yet. This is why flu season is so scary for parents of newborns; they are too young to be fully vaccinated for the flu.
Anonymous said…
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/uk-schedule
Mischief Girl said…
My belief is that the Royal Family are "taking turns" to be with the Queen while she is in Balmoral. With Prince Philip retired, someone needs to sit in the car with her on the way to church. As has been mentioned, Her Majesty is careful about whom is pictured with her and I'm sure going to church with her is considered an honor. No need to point out to Nutty's readers that neither Sussex has been bestowed this honor.

So I think they family is circling the wagons in more than one respect, with one of them being sure "Granny" is never alone now that her "strength and stay", as she once described Prince Philip, isn't publicly in the picture anymore.

Another way the family is circling the wagons is by not discussing Archificial in anyway shape or form. And I agree with Nutty's posters here--the Queen is making VERY sure Smirkle doesn't get her hands on any royal jewels.

I do love this blog! People are polite, thoughtful, and very articulate. What a welcome respite from much of the rest of the internet!
Anonymous said…
Once again, Mischi, you've made a huge and condescending leap with me. I am not "dragging" politics.

I.do.not.come.here.to.discuss.politics does not mean I don't understand or care.

FTR, I have been involved (deeply, on campaign teams with candidates) at both a grassroots and national level on campaigns. I am very political, but I have NO illusions. I know that much of politics in the US is about branding and the polarization on both sides keeps the voters going out to vote and the dollars coming in. The politicians on both sides do talk, sometimes cooperate, but publicly, stand by their polarizing ideals; privately, a lot of them express frustration and amusement at their cray-cray extremist constituents on both sides.

So, please, don't assume that I don't care or that I'm liberal or conservative or just stupid and unconcerned. I was clear in what I said: this just isn't the venue where I personally want to read it or enjoy it. For me, it takes away from the fun and levity. IMO.

I have read commentary on the blog about everything from "killary" to "abortion" and back again. Most of the comments have seemed conservative IMO. That was my point. I'm sure there are many who are just as liberal. I do not discuss my opinions either way. I assume there are those who think that because I live on the "left coast", I am extremely liberal. I assume there are those who think that because I grew up in the South and wear pearls, I must be conservative. Again, I don't discuss it either way because I have a 50% chance of offending someone. When others discuss it, that ruins it for me sometimes. I don't come here for that and I think it is wrong for others to throw it out there because it means the rest of us either have to shut-up or speak up and neither of those are good options. If I were on a political blog, I would expect this. But I'm not and I don't.

So.








Anonymous said…
@Louise500, totally wasn't dragging politics. Was stating my opinion about why it takes this to an immediately 'no fun' level.
@Nelo, I was commenting on the British press. The British tax payers pay for the royals, if foreign press print nice flattering stories it’s not going to make any difference to Brits who can’t stand The Sussex’s etc. Overall, it’s not going to make a lot (if any) of difference to the royal family either. It’s the British paying public and what they think is what ‘really’ matters here. So when it comes to the British press and popularity (of the royals), what gets printed matters. The British press do pick up on current moods as we are seeing now, and that’s what I’m commenting on.
By the way I’m British, I don’t read American newspapers.
@Elle, I suppose the signal being the ones who matter and/or next in line to the throne etc. I personally wasn’t expecting the Cambridge’s to go back to Balmoral, that said something meaningful to me. šŸ¤—
marjorie said…
My expectation is for MeAgain to distribute the coloring books to a company which uses child labor to color every page. Each page of the completed coloring books will be framed and sold individually as done by "Archificial." Prices for the priceless works will start at $899. The kids will be paid in crayons. Hey... if people have fallen for years of the total BS MeAgain has dished out, they'll scoop up the artwork!
Liver Bird said…
Yeah I think the 'doll' theory is nonsense and slighly embarrassing as it makes critics of Meghan look like crazed loons, when there are so many legitimate reasons to criticise her and Haz.

Some good points above re. vaccines, although I have no medical expertise so don't know the real situaiton. But my guess is if we don't even get a glimpose of Archie during the entire tour, he probably didn't travel at all. It would be quite easy to leave him back in Toad Hall (or wherever they're living) with one of the nannies, and claim that the reason we don't see him is because his parents value his 'privacy' so highly.
Liver Bird said…
Yeah, I think we should leave politics out of this. There are so many forums to discuss politics, but this is one where we can have a 'safe space' gossipping about royals!
Girl with a Hat said…
Liver Bird, yes. Gossiping about the Royals is fun!
Liver Bird said…
As far as I'm concerned, that's what they're there for! If we have to pay taxes to support these people, let us at least get some choice gossip out of them!
@Elle, I simply don’t read politics into what I’m reading here, and even if I did or do, I ignore it. Easy enough to do. šŸ¤—
HappyDays said…
Mischi, A juicy scandal wouldn’t surprise me - either sexual misdeeds or a financial scandal related yo the Sussex Royal foundation. Narcissists are extremely greedy and materialistic. Status, money, and possessions are three of the categories narcs use as metrics to determine their self-worth.

Meghan also uses the one-sided competition she has created in her mind to pit the Sussexes against the Cambridges, but William and Kate don’t seem to have much interest to actively engage her in a dramatic battle, which must frustrate Meghan to no end.

The commercial flight by the Cambridge family to Balmoral a couple weeks ago was not the type of one-upping that Meghan wants to play. It was more a case of W&K swatting and squashing a fly.
Girl with a Hat said…
Liver, yes, we've paid for this gossip! LOL
SwampWoman said…
Oh, cutmasterC, no criticism intended. I'm just quite worried that her habit of (unthinkingly?) sowing chaos and drama wherever she goes can be quite dangerous.
HappyDays said…
Hi Ilona, Google “How narcissistic relationships are like cults.” Lots of non-clinical articles will pop up. It’s some very interesting reading, especially if you’re familiar with the Harry and Meghan relationship timeline and behaviors. It’s actually a bit scary. I feel sorry for Harry because when a narc takes over another person, they generally lower their victim to their behavioral level.

I can’t think of anyone who has said that during the time they were ensnared by the narc, they were elevated by the narc to be a better person. They are always dragged down, hence Harry’s personality and behavior changes since coming under Meghan’s control. Quitting smoking, and less drinking, and losing weight were positives for Harry due to Meghan, but she was molding him to fit what SHE wanted in a man. She couldn’t accept him for who he was. Control, control, control.

Also search “narcissistic mothers” and “children of narcissistic mothers” to learn the woe Archie and any other children she might download have ahead of them. Extremely sad, even if Harry tries to be a good father. Meghan will rule.
Girl with a Hat said…
I don't think anyone has mentioned her paid appearances. I wonder what those are? who would pay to hear her speak in SA? Oprah's school?

This is their website.

https://owlag.co.za/


Actually, I think we can all win our bets of her appearing there.
Liver Bird said…
I think actually getting cash for an appearance during an offical FCO sponsored tour would be too brazen, even for Megz.

However, I could deffo see her making appearances in some sort of 'exchange of favours' capacity. Going to one of the schools run by Oprah Winfrey might be one such. She wouldn't get paid for it directly, but it's all part of a transactional relationship through which she stands to gain. Same with Harry's upcoming 'mental health' programme with Oprah. Was there really nobody in British media he could have done such a programme with, if he has to do one at all?
Nutty Flavor said…
Could you give us some links to those stories Nelo? I am unfamiliar with them.
SwampWoman said…
I have been looking at African prints (which I do like). Perhaps she will wear some African print dresses by South African designers.
Girl with a Hat said…
I love the colours of African prints. The SA also have some very nice beadwork accessories.
marvelousmagda said…
I, too, suspect that something is up with the HM and PW being together at Balmoral again. I saw on Skippy's tumblr that MM anon was saying that "London Bridge would handle the negotiations." IIRC, isn't London Bridge HMtQ's designation for bridge events. In this case, it may be used to imply that the queen is spearheading the initiative.

I very definitely agree that PH's part of the tour will go swimmingly and hers won't. This is a broad maybe, but, I would not be at all surprised if PH announces that he is retiring to some African country...MM can take it or leave it.

But, here's the thing. There has been speculation based on the photos of the IG where MM, DR and MA tag team PH, that DR was playing the injured mama who wanted to see her daughter done right by, even though we now know PH had left her far behind, and the supposed fake romance was scripted by MM using the media, which was paid by her and associates.

Once DR allegedly played her part, MA, allegedly, followed up with threats to reveal private conversations recorded at SH. That left PH between the devil and the other devil.

Having made good on making DR's daughter an honest (snicker) woman,if PH chooses to retire and give up his dukedom, there still remains the threat of revelation. Nor do I trust MM, DR, or MA to keep mum even if given a payoff. That may be where the $9M in DR's bank account came from, all funneled through legal channels, of course.

Then, there's Archie...MM's desperate attempt to create an anchor baby as soon as she made port. For his sake, I fervently hope he is a figment of her demented imagination.

If any of this extortion was tied influencing the BRF re: Brexit, then all will be sorted by the end of October according to BoJo. Somebody has gotta write a novel when this is all over.

On rolling up their sleeves...since MM is the great imitator, she probably remembers the Obamas going to a community center, (I think) and doing some wall painting or some such a couple of times in their tenure in the WH.
@Nutty, the story seems so utterly ridiculous, I can’t imagine William sitting down with any editors to discuss what they should write. Ludicrous.
PaulaMP said…
I love it too! We don't have to wade through the people calling us "haters" or "just jealous". That gets to be so tiresome on other sites.
SarcasticBimbo said…
Harry Markle just put up a new blog, today. It's very critical of the tour, the quiz that the D&DoS put up on their instagram, and brings up a few other things, as well.
Catty said…
I agree SW - that place is a powder keg right now & Meghan has the tact of a bull - it could be downright dangerous for her to go preaching at this time.
Catty said…
Am I missing something Nelo? Where is this love exactly? I don't see her on the news except for the private plane debacle - I don't see her face at the check-out line on the magazine racks while I'm food-shopping & I don't see her in major US newspapers so where is all this love you speak of? You keep repeating this mantra & I really don't understand it - I am back & forth from Chicago to the New York tri-state area - how am I missing this?
marvelousmagda said…
Happy Days, I wondered about that nose thing. IIRC, Michael Jackson had a prosthetic nose bc of drub use, if the rag mags are to be believed. MM's nose seems to be sinking like the Titanic since her nuptials. Too much blow? Or cheap reconstruction.
Royal Fan said…
Can royals be paid for appearances? I thought this was illegal?
Catty said…
Nelo is exaggerating greatly - basically she is quoting the Celebitchy mantra that William is so jealous of Harry & Meghan's popularity that he is the one telling the media to run the "mean" stories about Meghan. Those loons seriously have William running around like Richard III wickedly trying to sabotage his brother & wife - so ridiculous.
SarcasticBimbo said…
Yes, and then when they do the seasons of The Crown (YAY! It's back November 17 or 18!) that involve H&M and it covers the "tragedy" of the death of MM and the paralysis of PH (with poor Archie's car seat being thrown clear of the wreckage so he escaped unscathed), Wills can comment on how "Isn't it just awful that Grandpa wasn't there to stop that elephant from charging them, just like he saved Granny when they were in Africa?"

Bwahahahahaha! I crack myself up.
cutmasterC said…
I haven't seen evidence of all this love either.
marvelousmagda said…
Somebody is paying the reporters to go. Some way, some how, someone is grooming MM for a future, possibly in politics, in the USA. I don't understand why anyone would want to promote MPD Markle, unless she has a whole roomful of tapes on the rich and famous and that is how she "gate crashes" and gets away with it. It's a very dangerous game she is playing. Silence is golden.
Girl with a Hat said…
Royal Fan, they are not supposed to but there's been a CDAN blind item about how she's been busy setting up paid appearances for her tour of SA
SarcasticBimbo said…
@Veena, I've basically checked weekly to see when the next season would be ready for close to two years, now. I think the exact date is the 17th or 18th. I'll be binge-watching the first 2 seasons for the 3rd or 4th time right before it streams.

I haven't been this rabid about a show since Sons of Anarchy.
Emily said…
It was reported that she was going to be making a speech about the crisis in Africa regarding women and children being murdered by men. The government is already trying to sort it out and its proving to be a nightmare. Dont think it will go down well if she does.
marvelousmagda said…
I could see how in the circle of fashion in NYC, how Misha and Ivanka would have met and possibly friended back when Ivanka was also promoting her brand. As for the rest, all roads seem to lead back to SoHo. Thing is, at least Misha's beaux want to marry her. Whereas, MM was a nonstarter at the gate until she trapped PH. Even then, she is tolerated more than welcomed.

MM's stock in trade is to push herself into a social event by taking advantage of most people being constrained to be polite in public so as to not make waves or others present uncomfortable. It must have been a shocker when her gimmick did not work with the BRF TWICE in public on record, the PoW commemorative and the PC garden party. Priceless! Kudos to PC for taking her down royally.
Ozmanda said…
I also don't see the US media "loving" them. I suspect we have some PR reps in our midst
marvelousmagda said…
So up to here^ with politics. That's why I come to NF and don't read DM, newspapers or media any more. Such a pleasant atmosphere. Gossip is more fun.
Ozmanda said…
I was pretty surprised this trip is going ahead but I am guessing in sparkle's mind this is giving them the chance to have some photos taken with African kids and villages to push their desire to be considered the most "woke" royals ever.

I wonder if this is a banishment wrapped to look like a official "tour"?
abbyh said…
Ditto Catty

I can't imagine William going off out of fear (panic) - like a chicken with their head chopped off - that his brother would overshadow him, his family or his reign when it happens. Just don't see him as that kind of guy when he is living the life of dad, wonderful wife and support who was clearly a good choice for the future role as Consort (I hope I have that part right), really cute kids for the next generation and knows the job he will ultimately have.

When you have all that, you are not known for being graspy, needy and ... vindictive by nature (time and time again), then the likelihood of you pulling it out now is - Gosh why now when it makes no sense?

Instead, I look at who could benefit from this shade. And say to myself: hmmm. aren't you interesting?
Emily said…
I lived in South Africa for 14yrs in the seventies/eighties Saw a man getting a tire put round his neck and set on fire. My friends and I got away from that as quick as I could and then got a huge rollicking from my mum and dad for being in that area. Even back then, if you were out driving at night you didnt wear any jewellery that could be seen. People got robbed when stopped at traffic lights. Personally I dont think they should have gone ahead with the tour or just send Harry on his own, minus the woke speeches
KnitWit said…
Wonder if she will wear any new cheap dupes of Diana's jewelry.
Marie said…
But apparently it is ok to do the "I'm surrounded by grateful, poor but happy, black kids" photo-ops for Meghan. And the coloring books, well, because "LOOK HOW THOUGHTFUL AND KIND I AM, JUST LIKE ALL MY CELEBRITY FRIENDS SAY I AM BECAUSE I ASK THEM TO"

Why do so few people see through this lady's "humanitarian" shtick? During her pre-Harry hustle, she did her requisite poverty-porn photo shoot in Africa, hired an English PR firm to organize her appearances and speeches at humanitarian events, and basically followed up on none of her ventures. If she were applying to an elite uni with such a CV, it would be noted that her volunteer work consisted of one-off events, rather than demonstrating consistent, on-going effort over a period of time.

What about her work with the care home for retired entertainment industry professionals?
marvelousmagda said…
Liver Bird, I agree that it would be far easier to leave the tot behind. That's why it is crackers for her to take him, or at least, imply he is going. What is the point of that except to upset and offend people for her dereliction of duty to her supposed offspring? Dereliction if she leaves him home. So, he is to be sacrificed to fit the script that she can be both a loving mother and travel with her husband.

Her inexpert handling of this could be really telling that she is not "mothering" any one. Maybe she wants to kill off the doll/no kid at all, and this is a way for that to be brought into the narrative. If MM were more rational, I could believe that there is no doll, but she is living on another planet where she believes she can deceive all the people, all the time. Outrageous is her normal.

She can never be wrong. Tungsten is determined to control the narrative and she WILL NOT be left behind. What someone said above about this being a cult of two is soooo right on.
@Catty, cutmaster and Ozmander, thank you for giving a clearer and more objective view. Many American’s comment on this Blog and it did seem to me that the American press wasn’t so syrupy as they were, so Nelo’s comments seemed a bit OTT to me. Maybe Nelo lives in a parallel universe, or maybe it’s something else. šŸ¤”
abbyh said…
Agreed with you Ozmanda.

I don't hear people raving about how much they revere her either around here either. No one is talking about her who is a friend, acquaintance, stranger at the coffee shop or even a "friend" on facebook. Nada. The topic never comes up.

I don't read about her in the local paper either. I don't see her photo in the check out at the grocery. I pay attention to that kind of thing so if the topic comes up ... I have some real "proof" "evidence" ... something to say?

But I don't see or hear it. Crickets.
marvelousmagda said…
If Oprah is part of the cadre, there is definitely a quid quo pro in the offing. It could be that PH is being made to do a Pinocchio and dance to MM's tune. It is always about promoting the Markle brand in the USA. I so hope she finds a richer stooge to transfer her "affections" to in the near future. I am sure PH would love to be Markled.
marvelousmagda said…
Oh, I hope. I hope. I hope you're right, Oz.
JenS said…
Veena, exactly. I think the Queen saw her coming, and any jewels, loaned or "gifted," were reproductions. I also wouldn't put it past MM to have had reproductions created (perhaps with the intent of merching slightly-different knock-offs later) and then claimed they were RF jewellery gifted to her. Remember when she claimed HMTQ had given her *the* pearl earrings? HM later appeared wearing the real ones, while M's were shown to be cheap, smaller knock-offs.
KnitWit said…
I see more US love for Kate and the Queen.
KnitWit said…
I assumed Harry travelled alone to insure he gets some good press. I wouldn't be surprised if Meg makes a major faux pas while alone. If a devious type were planning an "accident" it would be a good place and time.

Perhaps her buddy Oprah arranged a replacement for Artificial from her orphanage contacts.

Wouldn't be surprised if the pair "fell on love" with a child during the your and add to the family.
abbyh said…
Skippyv20 had a post along which talked about how real diamonds don't show color in photos. That the fakes show all kinds of color.

And there were some photos which show the tierra at the wedding showing a lot of colors.

So I looked at my ring and some other pieces. Did not see colors.

so ...

I suspect that HM ... (i)could(i) have had some replicas made ... you know, for insurance purposes (?) long ago and far away. Makes display much safer and cheaper for insurance purposes (although I remember visiting the tower and how they had film they had on display on a sign that they had confiscated from illegal photographers taking of the Crown jewels on display). I wonder what they do now with digital cameras?
JenS said…
They've already clarified that MM and Fauxrchie will stay in SA, and Harry will go on to the other countries alone. That's still a terrifying list of vaccines for SA, though. Archie couldn't have received them all at one go, and there are probably some he's not old enough to have (which means he's vulnerable to those diseases).

That means they must have been immunising him over the past several weeks -- during the time when they allegedly did all the jet trips (with and without him). What parent has their child vaccinated and then hops a jet to another country for a few days, or goes on holiday for a friend's wedding with the child's alleged father, leaving only a nanny (or maybe no one at all) to tend the fussy child and watch for adverse effects or complications?

What loving parents would do this to such a young infant?

SwampWoman said…
I love the bright colors as well! Sadly, my skin tone looks better with more muted colors.
Girl with a Hat said…
yes, I know the feeling. I read some of the Capetown papers today. There were several stores destroyed because H&M had an advertising campaign with black models whose hair was uncombed. There are several investigations into corruption and even the attorney general is being investigated. A lot of turmoil. No mention of the upcoming visit though.
Girl with a Hat said…
the H&M campaign was a global one, by the way.
Lurking said…
Sorry if this is a duplicate, I'm having a problem with either chrome or cookies on my computer, or both...

Daily Mail has a diagram of how they are connected... which one of these is not like the others?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/22/20/18748812-7491893-Connections_Mikey_Hess_and_Misha_Nonoo_had_the_most_star_studded-a-8_1569182113607.jpg
JenS said…
Tour predictions:

M will make more epic, cringe-worthy mistakes like: wearing ridiculously expensive clothes while handing out cheap trinkets to children in need of food, clean water, and safety; giving woke, word-salad speeches about gender equality and empowerment even though asked to not do so; and incessantly talking about herself while always posing for the camera. We'll see the Sussex Claw at every joint appearance. She will do paid appearances by herself, but we will not hear about them.

I think M will try to source a baby, hence all the "dark" time in her diary. I don't think she has custody of Archie right now, partly because I can't imagine a parent who would drag their young infant to SA unnecessarily, especially in a time of danger and violence (or one who leaves the baby to go partying on other continents, but I digress).

H will be glad for the separate itineraries and may be able to meet up with old friends. ;-) Hopefully he packed something other than the grey suit, although that will be the default attire for joint appearances -- probably badly wrinkled. I hope he gets some decent sleep and a good stiff drink.

The separate itineraries reminds me of the infamous Charles and Diana India tour in February 1992. We got the iconic photo of Di all alone in front of the Taj Mahal, baiting reporters while Charles conducted trade talks 1200 miles away, and the botched kiss at the Jaipur polo match. That tour exposed their dead marriage, and there was really no going back afterward.
I wonder what steaming tea we'll get this time?
Royal Fan said…
I did not see anything at the store today about MM. Mostly Kate is who I see on magazines or sometimes MM and Kate together. Generally MM is a non-news story here except as a mention here and there. Unless there’s big news like the baby or a wedding, I don’t see much front page stuff on them here in the US.
Royal Fan said…
You’ve hit the nail on the head! Never forget she was a yacht girl! Perhaps she kept some bribe material for future use!
HappyDays said…
Nutty, Would love your opinion of this latest article in the DM.
Headline: “Archie is 'the best ticket' for Duke and Duchess of Sussex to win back the hearts of the nation - royal expert claims”

Meghan will use Archie soon enough as a publicity prop to virtue signal and attempt to portray herself as a loving, caring and doting mother, which for people familiar with narcissistic mothers is the farthest from the truth one can get.
Ava C said…
Did you notice Charles and William were wearing really similar ties, on Sunday up at Balmoral? It was noticed by DM with no further comment, except that it was a move away from Charles' usual patterns. For me it was also a little different for William although I don't usually look that closely. Either it's an obscure Scottish tradition I don't know about, or they're subtly reinforcing the message that they are united and closing ranks. William looked like the perfect modern European king or king-in-waiting. We know it has to matter who travels in the Queen's car to church on Sundays at Balmoral.
Ava C said…
I read that Kate has a less valuable copy of her engagement ring - Diana's of course - that she uses for events where it could get damaged. After all, it's really showy and she does wear it for playing in gardens, sailing events and so on, when anyone else would leave such a ring at home.
Ava C said…
I'd also be interested in which UK journalists are going on the tour, after reading the unusually sober article about H&M in The Times this weekend. Given a lot of space. Not read online as paywall but the contributor to the Lizzie blog on H&M, Herazeus (who I long to contribute here unless she already does with a different name) provides it in full on the Lizzie blog. I have a feeling the press realise this is no longer tabloid fodder and that they need to have a proper look at what's going on with H&M. They can't miss the increasing unrest and I'm fascinated that, as far as H&M are concerned, I can hardly tell the difference between DM and Telegraph comments by readers.

Also, like others above, I can't see that MM is loved in America. Yes she is by some, of course, but there doesn't seem to be a tangible wave of support. I guess most don't really care. It's not their money. There are quite a number of US commentators on DM site who are just as hostile to MM as UK ones though, and are quick to discount any idea that the US public are generally supportive of MM.
NeutralObserver said…
I went to Kenya when my oldest was about 15 months old. Some of the vaccines required were not allowed for babies his age, so we didn't take him to Africa. Vaccine requirements have changed quite a bit since then, but taking a 4-month old to SA sounds a tad risky. Apparently it is recommended that one get Tetanus and Diphtheria, Hepatitis A and Typhoid vaccines for travel to SA. Typhoid vaccines are only given to babies 6 months & over. So. . . . I guess Archie is special!. LOL.
Ava C said…
I don't see the huge number of UK reporters for tour as ego-building for MM. On the contrary. They could be sharks circling her. After all, this talk of her private activities while Harry's off doing the traditional BRF colonial thing has aroused interest as it's so unusual. Perhaps unprecedented. The press may have received the green light to start looking in ernest, with no reason to fear BRF disapproval ...
Ava C said…
Re: real baby/doll thing, I'm still sticking to the baby being real but from a surrogate, but that a doll may have been used so far as a decoy or because MM didn't want the hassle of a real baby at an event and that MM is stuffed with hormones to have one herself which is why she looked strange at the Archie unveiling (or rather 'not unveiling').

Her looks have fallen off a cliff as many have noticed, but I don't ascribe it all to hormones. Physically both of them have gone downhill so fast. It reminds me of addiction to prescription painkillers. It's a slow slide downwards and they now look the way addicts look when they're ceasing to care that it's now obvious to others, with inattention to personal grooming, inappropriate behaviour, reckless spending, lack of care for family members etc. It fits a pattern. And prescription painkillers are much easier to get in the US I would suppose, certainly in large quantities, thinking of her trips over the pond. I'm not saying they are addicts. But they're doing good imitations if not, and I can't think of another reason for what we are seeing. That, allied to NPD.
Ava C said…
Interesting article by longstanding royal expert. The world is full of mothers, fathers and baby-loving relatives and friends (writing as a devoted aunt). They will notice any insincerity and faux motherliness with absolute certitude followed by irreversible dislike. This is MM's weakest point, yet it's all she has left. To use the baby to win back the nation. Let the end game begin.
Jdubya said…
The overwhelming majority of US does not care at all. Neither does any legit media. The tabloids occasionally print a few stories but it's rare.
Ozmanda said…
What I find difficult to swallow is when they do the photo ops of being around poor villages handing out cheapo coloured pencils and other things (we all know what is coming) where in fact if she sold just one of her ugly gowns that would feed a whole village for years.

I agree about the child - I hope for the sake of the child they don't have custody, I don't imagine he/she would have much time with either "parent" and she seems to have the maternal instinct of a lamp post. I would be most curious how many photos will be seen of Haz and Sparkles together - willing to bed a triple shot espresso that would be rare.
I like that wills was photographed with the queen. Does send a message! But more than that I feel it's also because he (and his family) are very close to HM. Charles and Cam always travel on their own, probably because they live at Birkhall and not at Balmoral with the queen.

The Ghilles ball might have been this weekend and it's an important event on the Balmoral estate so William had been making a point to attend, mainly as part of training to be king.

But more importantly, I'd say this was also an end of summer recon week for the Queen, Charles and William as both HM and Charles head back to their offices in London. There's a lot happening in the country and in terms of foreign relations for the UK. I suspect that William is at the helm of many more official projects and royal duties than we know. He has probably taken over many of Prince Phillip's duties, including the intelligence agencies and is one of the trusted advisors to the queen now.
Ozmanda said…
Mischi she would have likely worn a 15000 dollar bespoke church gown from Gucci that was beaded to show a big initial "M" that was hand sewn by Tibetan monks while Megs was supervising drinking her peppermint tea and smashed avo ;)
Ava C said…
Love the latest little PR gem, met with near-universal derision by readers. DM headline "Meghan Markle's wedding outfit secret: Duchess wore £5 earrings to Misha Nonoo's nuptials after borrowing them from a friend who bought them on vintage stall in Portobello Market". Prize for best response so far goes to a reader in Wiltshire. "Look at me! I borrow stuff! Cheap stuff! From markets!!! Im just like youuuu! Ignore the 9k dress - look at my ears!"

All this crashingly-obvious PR from Sunshine - that DM readers are recognising with glee - reminds me of that old Doris Day film The "Thrill of it All", when she was a happy housewife suddenly grabbed by an advertising firm to sell 'Happy Soap', and later and more spectacularly, fabric detergent. Her house ends up submerged with bubbles. Love it. Anyway, the advertising agency runs these corny TV shows every night, just to sell Happy Soap. They think no one notices it's the same every night, even though it's Nazis one evening, cowboys the next. But Doris Day's adorable little kids are wise to it from the off. While the advertising execs congratulate themselves over dinner that the masses will never notice, the little kids are shouting "It's the same story!!!" Someone should lock Sunshine and Megs in a room and run it for them.
EFarrell said…
Yes! Please! I am begging you my fellow Nuttys, keep politics out of this discussion! The constant bombardment in every aspect of life is so disheartening. There seems to be no escape at least for a few minutes on a Royal Family discussion blog such as this one. I so enjoy everyone’s writing & take on this ongoing drama. Thanks to Nutty for creating this space.
Nelo said…
Catty, it's no exaggeration. When the SA story was broken by the times (which has a paywall) I read through Richard Palmer's twitter handle and people who were responding to his statement on the subject matter attached screenshots of the Times reports where it was explicitly stated that not only was William apprehensive because of Harry's supposed popularity, he met with top editors to ensure that the Thomas and Samantha Markles stories kept pouring out.
Nelo said…
Nutty, I'm sorry I couldn't reply under the thread where you asked for the link.

This is the link to the times story. Unfortunately its behind a paywall and i dont know how to attach screenshots where it was stated that Prince William met with editors to ensure that Thomas Markle story kept coming out.
But here ia a quote from the report: “People are telling William, "Don't worry. Your influence will grow and Harry's will fade. This is peak Harry.”
If you can dig out some of Richard Palmers tweets on the subject matter, you will see the screenshots thats those who read the story attached.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/revealed-palaces-africa-plan-for-harry-and-meghan-t2ckn7f5b?wgu=270525_54264_15559350575324_24c3300fa2&wgexpiry=1563711057&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

This was Harry and Meghan's response after the story was published.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a27231716/meghan-markle-prince-harry-work-in-africa/
Nutty Flavor said…
There's a reason actors don't want to work with children or animals - they are attention magnets.

To play the Archie card, Meg would have to make a baby the center of attention. In other words, let the baby take some of HER attention.

Seems unlikely.
Nutty Flavor said…
Here is the full Times piece from beyond the paywall.

It says nothing - zero - about William meeting with editors to ensure the Thomas Markle story, or Samantha Markle story coming out. It does not mention Thomas or Samantha at all.

The "peak Harry" quote you mention also does not appear in the story, or in the separate Harper's link.

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, Nelo.

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Revealed: palace’s Africa plan for Harry and Meghan
Courtiers offer royal ‘rock stars’ break from UK

exclusive
Tim Shipman and Roya Nikkhah
April 21 2019, 12:01am,
The Sunday Times


Courtiers have drawn up plans to hand the Duke and Duchess of Sussex a major international job that could see them moving abroad after the birth of their child, The Sunday Times can reveal.

Prince Harry’s advisers are working on a “bespoke” role for the royal “rock stars”, probably in Africa, that will combine some work on behalf of the Commonwealth along with charity work and a role promoting Britain.

The plan has been drawn up by Sir David Manning, the former British ambassador to the US and special adviser on constitutional and international affairs to the two princes.

Lord Geidt, the Queen’s former private secretary, has also been involved in the discussions. He is chairman of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, an organisation that champions young global leaders, of which Harry and Meghan are president and vice-president.

The proposal would give the couple the chance to enjoy a break from the divisions that have riven the royal household in recent months while “harnessing” their global appeal for Britain.

A decision on where they would be based is unlikely to be taken until 2020, when they have settled down with their new baby, which is due within days. Harry has close links to several African countries and has visited the continent since his teens.

The palace is preparing to groom William as the future king
He spent his gap year in Lesotho in 2004 and started a charity there two years later. He and Meghan are believed to have fallen in love on a trip to Botswana, a country that Harry has referred to as his “second home” and where they returned for Meghan’s 36th birthday in 2017. South Africa and Malawi are other options.

Senior palace officials have concluded that a proper role needs to be found for Harry as Prince William starts preparing to be king. They want to keep Harry and Meghan as part of the royal “firm” rather than letting them pursue their own projects, such as a planned television series on mental health with Oprah Winfrey.

The African scheme began to take shape after a proposal to make Harry governor-general or deputy governor-general of Australia or Canada was dismissed as impractical. Another idea, that the couple become trade envoys for post-Brexit Britain — which had enjoyed support from senior figures in the government — was also rejected as too restricting.

Instead, palace insiders say a hybrid role will be devised that would take them away from Britain for two or three years. “Discussions are at an early stage, but the plan is to find a new way of using their soft power abilities, most likely in Africa,” a source said.

A second source confirmed: “There are discussions in palace circles about: how do we harness Harry and Meghan? How do you harness this phenomenon that has emerged? You make it productive.”

Courtiers have discussed the potential plan as an opportunity for the couple’s “Malta moment”, echoing the time that the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh spent on the Mediterranean island between 1949 and 1951.

Palace officials are expected to open talks with the government about how to pay for the plans and how to provide security for the couple while they are away.

Nutty Flavor said…
(article continues)

Simon Case, William’s private secretary who worked in No 10 for Theresa May and David Cameron, will be pivotal in those talks. He is understood to think that a period of separation between the young princes would help them to define the roles they will adopt for the next 50 years.

While Harry’s and Meghan’s precise roles remain undefined, they are all but certain to include a Commonwealth component. Last year the Queen appointed Harry as a “Commonwealth youth ambassador” and he and Meghan’s popularity overseas was evident throughout their tour to Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and Tonga last October.

A source close to the royal household said: “The view is: there’s an element of letting things work out for a bit. But people have moved from containment to harnessing. There’s been a reset.”

The Queen will celebrate her 93rd birthday today at Windsor Castle, where she will be joined by members of the royal family for the Easter matins service at St George’s Chapel.

The Duke of Sussex, the Duke of York, the Princess Royal and the Earl and Countess of Wessex are expected to attend. The Queen will spend the rest of the day privately at Windsor.
Nutty Flavor said…
Nelo has kindly provided us with some links below, at 10:49 Google Time.

However, I'm not seeing any of the information that Nelo promised in the articles.

Now! said…
Another thing I've noticed about Archificial is that the Sussexes never speak about him suffering any ordinary childhood illnesses.

Most new parents struggle with their infant's colic, ear infections, fevers, colds and other troubles that are familiar to pediatricians but can be terrifying to parents, particularly first-time parents.

We never hear about Archificial suffering from any common ailments.
Nelo said…
Nutty, this is the link i intended to post and not the one i previously posted....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-royal-rift-j3cft5d3d?wgu=270525_54264_15568912364158_91a112b425&wgexpiry=1564667236&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278



On April 21, The Times made claims that William was in contact with the British press — and supported their ongoing campaign against Meghan. The quote from THE TIMES i'm referring to is the this:

"This sense of embattlement has been entrenched by William’s decision to REACH out to senior figures in the media as he prepares for kingship and by the apparent decision of THOSE SAME newspapers to side with the palace over Meghan and Harry by peddling the most negative coverage of the duchess’s relationship with her father, Thomas Markle."
Now! said…
Could you link me to this, Mischi? I remember there were stores destroyed in a previous H&M incident - a boy of African descent wearing a sweatshirt that featured a monkey - but I cannot find any news about stores destroyed on about the more recent controversy about the child's hair.

A lot of this is cultural, I might add. In my European country, it is very common to call cute little children "funny monkeys" in the local language.
Now! said…
That quote does appear in your new link, but it still doesn't back up your original assertion at September 22, 2019 at 11:22 AM Google Time:

"The times also indicated in their report that William met with top editors and ensured that the Thomas and Samantha Markle stories kept pouring out. The times report also stated that when William became afraid that he was being overshadowed by Harry,that his advisors had had to assure him that he shouldnt worry because he would be king some day. That report was so damaging to William and painted him as the one behind the leaks against Harry and Megan. It was so painful to read"


Now! said…
For what it's worth, I've just reread the story, and I don't find it any more damaging to William than it is to Harry, or to Charles, who is portrayed as totally without influence on his sons.

The story also contains the "peak Harry" quote you mentioned earlier and, ironically, it was written at a time that really was Peak Harry, right before Archificial's mysterious and badly-handled birth and Christening, and before the enviromentalist/private jet problem.

The private jet situation, in my opinion, has really caused them more damage, because it reaches men as well as women.

Male Brits might not want to get into the discussion about why Meg is wearing a white dress supposedly hours after giving birth, but they can certainly understand that Harry is shaming them about taking a budget flight to Spain while taking numerous private jet trips himself.

Ava C said…
I don't have access to the Times but would just comment that April 2019 was when MM was said to be actively seeking to undermine PW. This is worth reading as a rebuttal:

https://stylecaster.com/prince-william-conspired-against-meghan-markle/

Also, such is the disillusionment with MM, we are seeing a big shift in attitudes towards Thomas Markle. Sympathy and understanding, and a wish to engage with him properly now, to hear his side as told to a reliable publication. I'm really beginning to think he was engrapped into those photos, and his following stories were his attempts to present his side, but he was ill and not at his best. This man has real achievements to his name. He was highly successful in his profession. He deserves to be heard properly. The way he seems to have been manipulated, the pre-planning it would take if true, is one of the most sinister aspects of this entire sorry saga.

I don't believe PW would act as alleged, but if he tried to reach out to Thomas Markle at any point, it would be entirely understandable. If your dearly-loved brother was in the position Harry is with Megan, wouldn't you try to contact her parents as the first priority, to try to understand what you were dealing with? Thomas seems to have done the most parenting, so he would be the best place to start.
Now! said…
Update: I see now that the Sussexes will be meeting Nelson Mandela's third wife, Grace, on their last day in South Africa.
This is the article I found too, I’ll post it below Nutty’s comment where I was to post it anyhow. I do agree with you though.
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